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Episode Date: August 30, 2023

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Jomi did you're going to explain their editor-on. You've got questions. He's got answers. We are. Jonathan, big spidey Kerma. Fill it in for Steve today who's out twerking. It's a true fact. That's what Steve is right now.

he's twerking somewhere. That's true. You'd have to ask us on Twitter to find out why Steve is somewhere twerking right now, but that's what he's doing. He chose the twir. I mean, it is August 30th. Rent is due. It is due. Steve, not twerking at. Wow. Twerking at. What? Old man, Van, he of the receded, resurgent, hairline, and Col. Baby Chalk the 24-carried together. We are known as the Midnight Boys. There you go, Kerm. That's what I'm talking about. Big Spidey is quick on the draw today. Quick on the draw.

Kerm, I made up a song for you and your family. Would you like to hear it? Not really, but I feel like you're going to sing it anyways. Bingo! My name is Kerm. My name is Kerm, Kerm. Kerm, Kerm, Kerm. My name is Kerm Kerm Kerm.

My name is Kerm Kerm. I really like being called Kerm. That's your song. Your whole family could rock out to that. Anthony Fantana would give that a week. three and a man shout out to Fantano but I don't make my music

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Remind, Okay, a Monday Minute Edition debated which Star Wars character should get their own show next. It was a good podcast. All right, you guys had Lulu Clemens over there. I like her name Lulu Clemens, but it called Jessica Clemens.

You guys had her over there. Ben Lindberg on that podcast as well. You have Benny over there. No, we had Daniel Chin, the homie D.C. came on. Love D.C. It's great, man. Daniel Chin, always killing it on the website. Always happy to have them on the pods. That's right. Love D.C. Shout out to D.C. On Friday, the Midnight Boys are going to discuss the first season of My Adventures of Superman.

I want to let you guys know that this is a passion project for me. I don't know how many people care. I know that Charles doesn't care. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Dude, sit on that. He's like, if there's going to be any, if there's going to be any, if there's going to be any episode where I'm going to be like positive, it's going to be my adventures of Superman. I fuck with this show so heavy. Like, I love the show.

If there's any negativity at this show, like, fucking hop off my nuts. Like, I'm not. Like, this is, let me have this one thing. Thank you. Charles, I feel like anime is the way to your heart, bro. No, because I don't look at my adventures with Superman, like anime. It's just funny. I just love the characters.

Like, Lois, Jimmy, fucking, like, I will be real. this is why y'all should tap in. Y'all got a couple days to watch the full season on HBO Max. I think this might be the best character dynamics between Clark, Lois, and Jimmy that I've seen in probably like 10, 15 years. Wow. That's very good. And I also like, just to tap into it a little bit,

they're giving you Superman villains that you've seen before, right? You know, obviously, but they're giving you them in different ways. A little twist. A little twist, a little twist on these villains, and they're freshening the entire lore and mythology up of Superman. And I really dig it. This is what happens when you take a character that has all the fundamentals of a great character and actually do the creative work of giving them a contemporary twist. You can come out with stories that are fantastic. And that's how I feel about my adventure to Superman.

That's, I think, how a lot of us feel. And we'll talk about that on Friday. be sure to check out the new House of R for their deep dives on Asoka. Let me tell you something about the House of R. They're doing the Lord's Work. I'll tell you why. I had a flight back from Atlanta

like last week. It's coming back from Atlanta. Shout out to everybody over there at Revolt. A fantastic show I was a part of called Bed on Black where we gave out $200,000 to a black business. Wait, is it like Black Shark Tank? black shark tank type of situation Oh, I'm locked in already. I'm locked in

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the amount of black businesses that were empowered by this show, it was fantastic. Fantastic stuff. But I had a flight back. and I'm on the flight, I'm like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to listen to the House of R. Got me through the whole flight. I spent a whole flight with my friends, Mal and Joe, and it was a lot of fun.

So the House of Ars over there cooking on their feed. You guys go give them a listen. All right, you also got to check out their fall and winter height meter from Tuesday, giving you guys a little bit of a primer on what you should be excited about. Here's the deal, though. We don't know what's actually. coming out. It could be the fall 2023 height meter or it could be the spring

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It's a small price to pay for workers' rights. Hell yeah. solidarity. A lot of you motherfuckers, you Sun Valley motherfuckers, a lot of y'all got some nerve. That's all I'm gonna say. A lot of you motherfuckers got some nerve. That's all I'm gonna say. I don't want to get too political into the whole thing. Today's show, episode three of Asoka, Soka, Soca. The talk of the town did so much conflict, so much angst, so much discussion in the space about Asoka, Soca, Soca, Soca.

And we're going to give you instant reactions. We're going to be spoiling almost everything you've ever watched or seen, the original trilogy, Rebels, of course. Clone Wars, of course. If you read any Thrawn stuff, probably going to get spoiled. I might actually spoil heir to the empire, which you guys weren't even alive for a lot of you, but I read. So we're going to spoil all of that stuff. But even though I'm telling you that, and you know that, we still got to run the spoiler warning. Kerm, give it to me.

We're getting ready to talk about You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Kerm, I just want to let you know you're two for two. I do this, man. Big Spidey has come back. Kerm, you're two for two.

Alliteration, Kerm is cooking. All right, we have to get you guys up to date in this episode, what happened, episode three of Asoka. In order to do that, Chuck Wagon, it's got to give you guys the Midnight Manifest. Take it away, Chuck. All right, and this is the Midnight Manifest for Asoka Episode 3, Time to Fly, directed by Steph Green, written by Filoni. Sabine begins training in lightsaber combat and force control with Asoka and Huang.

Meanwhile, Hara fails to convince Monmothema and a group of senators to provide aid to her so she can help Asok and Sabine track down Thron and Ezra. Asok and Sabine discover the eye of Scion, a gigantic hyper, Space Ring, but are ambushed by Hati, Merrick, and a group of other enemy ships. Morgan Elzabeth damages Osoka's ship from the I of Scion. Assoc and Sabine escape from Hottie and Merrick through a colony of pergels, hiding in the forest of Cedos, and Skull dispatches and minions to track down Assoc and Sabim, and that has been your midnight manifest for Asoka, episode three. Okay, guys, let's get into it.

Starting off with you, Chuck, what do we like? I'm not going to lie. There is a level of just seeing these. characters that I still do have such a deep emotional attachment to them. Whether it's Asoka, Sabine, Hera, Spoiler, Jace, there just is that thing of watching Rebels, watching Clone Wars, being deeply invested in them, where whether they're always hitting on 100 or not, there is still that feeling of them like, I'm still with my friends. Even if my friends have grown up in ways that I didn't expect, there's still my buds. Jomi.

this episode what'd you like I mean I liked a lot in this episode man I like the the fight in the in the sky with Asoka and Sabine versus Shinhati that was that was really cool

that's this kind of stuff that I miss about Star Wars the fact that we don't get to see these things on the big screen anymore you know like that was that was really cool seeing Asoka out there with the lightsaber and then she hit the ship with the slice like out of space like

That's cool. I'm not going to lie. They killed your girl Leah for doing that. You know what I mean? So what you're talking about? What? Leah in the fucking, in the second one.

It's a completely, I'm about to, I'm about to fucking lose. What? They killed Leah for that shit. Totally different. Are you nuts? What?

Can we not derail the podcast so early? We're not going to talk. Who did this? First of all, you did this. I was just saying. Can Jomey? I had questions about this.

We'll get to the questions later. Can Jomey finish talking about what do you like? Yes, yes. Jome, can continue positivity corner. I like that. I loved seeing the development of Sabine and Asoka's relationship. You know, they talked about, you know, how can they be better for each other in terms of master and apprentice?

And we see in that fight where Asoka's like, I'll let Sabine lead. Sabine tell me what you need. And I'll provide that for you. and they ended up succeeding. That's something that they could use going forward. And the last thing, I really liked how we're watching the New Republic falter. You know, we're seeing where the first order came about, watching the senators and the chancellor have that conversation.

And you're just watching, and you're like, you know what? We know Harris right. We know she's right. And then senators are like, well, I don't know, man. This seems like it's all happening. it's not happening at once. It's no conspiracy. And like, yeah, this is why the first order came about

because y'all are clearly some idiots. I liked all of that. I thought this was a pretty solid episode of television. Now, let me tell you what I liked. Being everything, I loved it. I really, really, really enjoyed the episode in a real way. And let me tell you why.

I liked so much of it that I'm actually surprised that I liked it the way that I did. I'll tell you why. So I've noticed something about myself. I watched this episode three times. I've realized something about me. Okay. There's a certain era of Star Wars that to me is the entree,

and then there's a certain era of Star Wars that to me is the dessert. When I watched the original trilogy and got into the stuff that I was reading, that was like having your dessert before dinner. All right? That was like the sweet stuff about Star Wars. And a lot of times I think I have to be honest with myself. I have to be honest with myself. And a lot of fans have to be honest with themselves

about whether or not they are looking for the dessert portion of Star Wars or the entree portion of Star Wars. Okay. So when you look at the original trilogy, it starts right away and there is purpose and there is kinetic energy and there is all of this stuff that is driving it. And it's going, going, going, going.

We're going from A to B to here to hear. This person is kidnapped. This person's betrayal never stops. In order to have a huge universe, they had to reset the fans' expectations. And that is what the prequel trilogy was. The prequel trilogy was, this is the day-to-day life,

the political machinations of all of this stuff. and then the animated stuff has come in and given you a little bit of both. Asoka as a show is trying to strike a balance between the entree and the dessert of Star Wars. The first two episodes, I'll be honest with you. I like them, but that seemed like at times eating your vegetables. It did. It seemed like at times that they were nourishing you in order to make sure you had enough on your plate to get to the stuff that I think we come to Star Wars 4.

This episode felt like more of what I get into or what feels sweet when I'm watching it on the screen. And I'm not saying that it was lowbrow. And I'm not saying that it was all spectacle and no sustenance. I'm not saying that at all. What I'm saying is this was the first time, obviously because they're together, that you got to see the real dynamic at play between Sabine and Asoka. This is that their relationship started to come out and a lot of the criticisms about Asoka's

performance, um, or Asoka's portrayal, not the performance. Once again, guys, nobody is criticizing the acting ability of Rosario Dawson. Everyone knows what that's about. People are asking about whether or not another stoic Jedi can drive, another stoic protagonist, should I say, can drive a show that we have a lot of fun with for six to eight episodes. In the first couple of episodes, it was a little bit off-putting for me. I'm not going to lie.

Everybody gave me their criticisms for that, and that's fine. In this episode, the contrast between her and Sabine, it like, it worked. It totally worked for me. This is fascinating. Because I think I dislike this third episode more than I dislike the first. Really?

Really? Yeah. Yeah. Um, I think for a couple reasons. Hold on. Hold on. First of all, you do not interrupt me when I'm talking about what I liked. Okay.

Because here you, here it comes. Here it comes. When I'm saying is what I don't know. Because you was talking a lot of fucking shit last week. Oh, I was. I was. I was. Back on the podcast.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Listen. I'll just say anything. I'll be honest. I'll be honest. Let's see.

Let's be honest. There was a portion of me that wanted a reason to dig my heels in. There was. And I wanted you to dig your heels in, whether you liked it or no. There was a portion of me that wanted a reason to dig my heels in because people were not going to, we're not going to do it. But I do feel like a people, a lot of people were unfair and not acting in good faith. But the reality is, dog. I'm having fun.

Let me give you one little moment that I thought was really funny and cool. And then we can move on and talk about maybe some things that we didn't like and then get into the episode itself and our reactions. So this is going to sound so stupid to you guys. It is. So everybody's on their tails. Our mystery inquisitor is a part of it. They're coming after them, right?

America. America's there. turbo lasers, boom, boom. They get shot out of space. Osoko goes outside. She's fighting. She's taking on everyone. And Sabina is inside,

and she's looking after the ship. And she's trying to get things back on track. And there's just like one little funny part where Asoka is flipping over. And she goes, did you fix the ship yet? And I thought it was hysterical. It's like, I thought it was hysterical.

That's a good. That's funny, yeah. It was like, I thought it was hysterical. She's like, yeah. She's like, because Osuka's doing amazing things. And Ren is all like caught up in it. And Soka's like, yeah, nice. Did you fix the ship?

Like, stay on track. That's like little character stuff. Little character stuff that fills in a scene that makes the scene more about the ominous danger of what's going to happen to our characters when we know they're not going to die. They might be captured. But we know they're not going to die. But you're watching the scene, not for the resolution of it as much as you are watching

the scene to see how they deal with it. Chuck, go ahead. Oh, I mean, I think my two things that I was just scratching my head on this episode particularly is I do think Asoka has a pacing problem where I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, that Assook is only eight episodes, and we're almost halfway through, and the first episode was like,

all right, we found a map. The second episode is like, the map got stolen, and the third episode is like, we're going to be on the ship the whole time. It has a very almost like video game quality to it, where we have to show you every single part of the quest, which I think can work

and did work in a show like a Clone Wars or Rebels where you're, what, you have 15 episodes, 20 episodes, you can go a little bit slower, you can show everything because you're fleshing out the world. If we've learned anything in the Disney Plus era

of this MCU Star Wars content, I'm like, dog, if you only got eight episodes, like you got to get, you got to get to it. And after three episodes, I'm like, so you just got to this planet and Thrawn's not here, Ezra's not here. Okay, sure. All right.

Well, you got five episodes. We'll see what happens. And I think the other thing that I'm starting to feel is that we're just kind of hitting notes that we already hit before. I kind of explained last episode where this almost has the same plot as Force Awakens, where it's like, all right, we have a map and we're trying to find a mysterious Jedi. Instead of it being Luke Skywalker, it is Ezra. And I'm like, okay, that's fine.

That's fine. adventure, whatever. This one, I'm just like, we just saw Mando season three, a Mandalorian struggling with using a lightsaber, and for the next thing coming out to also have a Mandalorian that's struggling with

lightsaber of the force, their beliefs, all of that, I'm like, okay, cool, but, all right, sure. Just show me where you're going. And I guess the third, like, thing of just, like, we've been here before. That was weird, is that in The Last Jedi,

Ryan Johnson was essentially like, let's democratize the force. The Jedi had it all wrong. The force belongs to everybody. There's the force in everyone. And I was just like, oh, that's cool. Like, even sitting in the theater, I'm like, when the little boy has the broom, I hated it. I hated it. I hated it.

Yeah, I hated it. No, I, the reason I actually liked it is because I'm like, Star Wars always wants to have it both ways. They're always like, the force is in everything. But the only people who can use it is this group of people. And usually the people who are best with it are the Skywalker's. And I'm just like, sure, whatever. And then they- But see, I have no problem with that.

Everybody on Earth can jump, but some people can touch the top of the backboard. No, but what I'm saying is, is that I think that it is interesting to ask, even in this show, I was just like, it is interesting that Asoka is asking, hey, I'm not trying to train a Jedi, but I am trying to train somebody

and they should know how to use the force in some sense. I like that. But we got an entire third movie that was essentially like, fuck all that to democratizing the force shit. We're going back to the Skywalker's. So I'm just like, we've been here before.

And that's these three episodes, I am getting a little bit antsy about why are we playing either the greatest hits or the deep cuts that never were or you rewinded back. So I think the pacing issue and us just kind of doing the same thing

we've been doing for the last 10 years of Star Wars, low grading on your boy. Jones. I mean, here's what I'll say about the Sabine force thing. I think what they're, I think ultimately, and this is what I hope what happens, ultimately what it comes down to is

Sabine doesn't have the Middicorian count to make it happen. Right. Hugh Yang is very, clear about that. He's like dog. She wouldn't have made it to the Jedi order, right? Because she doesn't have force of abilities.

She's not making it to the league. Yeah, she's not making it to the league. I quit like, imagine if like Aaron Donald brought you to Ram's training cab was like, all right, this is my guy, Charles. He's the new DeLyman. Let's go. Like, there's something that you don't have, that Aaron Donald has that you

don't have that like, if he's like, man, you got this. You're like, do I, though? Do I really, though? You can trade me every. each and all all ways you want. At the day, I don't have the physical gifts that make you special that allow you do this thing. Now, I can understand why, because I was confused. I'm like, they're trying to train her in the force, but they know she's not force sensitive,

but everybody has the force within them. So can everybody just like one day, like train and get the force? But ultimately, what I think this is trying to teach us is that like, no, maybe you can't, not everybody has a force, but it's not about that the end of the day. It's about being who you are and learning to be cool with that. And I really hope that's where that's going. I can kind of see it. But Star Wars already told us, fuck all that shit.

So that's where it's a little. I mean, kind of. So let's do something real quick as we enter into this very robust discussion of the show. Let's do something. Let's not write our own show, which is something that I do sometimes. Everything that we're talking about is in this episode. Right. So let's take it back to what we were talking about before.

Let's start with the Aaron Donald analogy. It's one thing for Aaron Donald to bring you to training camp when it's me who could probably get out there and give the Rams some quality snaps. I would be run over. This year. Yeah, maybe. Okay. It's one thing to have Aaron Donald bring you to training camp and say, hey, go do your thing. but you don't have the talent to be able to be aligned.

It's another thing for Aaron Donald to bring you to training camp and say, we need you to make the team. Like, we need you and you don't have that talent. That's a totally different story. Then that's a story of you finding out how you can be an asset to that team. And it's not about your talent. It's about your journey, right? That's what's happening in the show.

What's happening in the show is Hu Yang told her, that she didn't have any force aptitude while also telling her that she should go back and be her paduaning it. So he's telling her that she might never be Anakin Skywalker and let's hope that she's not. You know, she might never be a Sok or a Mace Windu,

but she does need to find out who she's going to be. Like I'm telling you straight up right now as a Jedi, you're not going to be those people. But there is somebody that you can be and that person is going to be an asset that person we need. And that is what the scene at the table also was about. Everything that we're saying, Asoka said that to her.

Asoka said, hey, there's a talent factor to this. You know, I was baby controlling animals and all of that stuff. You ain't got that. All right. There's a talent factor to this. However, what people underestimate is focus and training that can make you into something that can help us. And when asked again by Hu Yang,

I don't need her to be a Jedi, I need her to be herself. So the question is not necessarily whether or not one day Sabine will be out there fucking picking X-Wings up out of the swamp in Dagobah. The question is what can she do?

And the fact is, they're not very many Jedi. They're not many, very many force sensitives out there anywhere. I mean, you got Jace right there who, like, I can already tell. he's he's chomping at the bit he got the mid-chlorian count. You don't know that.

Like, what? I know we got more miniclorian. That's the first predation in episode eight is him lifting a cup, him lifting chopper in the show. All he said was I want to be a Jedi.

By this point, somebody should have been able to look at him. I don't know. But look. I mean, Grogu, I will just say, Grogu had the stats. He was supposed to be drafted first.

But see, And she's just like, I want you, Sabine. But like, come on. But see, here's a deal, though. Charles, it seems like you're on both sides of this. Number one, you like the idea that the last Jedi introduced the force to people other than the Skywalker's, Yoda's people, and various people who get chosen throughout the galaxy. But at the same time, it seems like to me, you want the same old.

people using the force that we've seen for a couple of decades. I'm going to push back on that. You want to know why I think that this is like a having your like cake in Juanabit too is that Sabine was already a fully fleshed out character by the time we get to Asoka in terms of like the thing that I like that rebels did the most is that there's only two Jedi in the rebels. The rest of them have certain skills that they are good with. And Sabine more than almost any other character, the journey that she goes through in Rebels being kind of this very spunky, petulant child who doesn't really want to listen to authority, wants to just spray paint, fuck off. By the end of Rebels, she's a war hero. Like, she doesn't need the force.

She is so talented, not only within the Rebels, but by herself, with the Mandalorians, where she already has that journey. She can have that journey again in Asoka, but you being like, all right, now we have to teach her the force. I'm like, but she didn't need the force to take down the empire the first time. Why does she like, it just seems like you're trying to teach her the force and I'm just like, Sabine was that girl long

but fucking for that. So you're going to have to do a lot of heavy lifting to be like, all right, it's cool that she has the force now. I was like, all right. I want to stay too long on this, but they don't have Ezra now. Yeah, it's a different. It's like, you know what I mean? They're trying. They're literally going to get him.

No, but it's a bigger fight. Yeah, there's a bigger threat. Well, there's not a bigger threat. There's no threat that's bigger than the empire. So you can't say that there's a bigger threat. Like, actually, the threat that they're facing is a different threat because it's thrown in control of imperial remnants, but you can't say that it's a bigger threat. Well, I mean, Papatin.

You know what I mean? Sure. Sure. So, but I mean, Jomi, go ahead, though. We're going to say, I don't want to step on. No, I mean, it's, it's two things. I think. One, I think the reason she didn't train Groegro is because the thing with Sabine didn't

go. I don't even want to talk about why she didn't train. I mean, it's a John John. I'm not being serious. Like Grogoo did not. Like, she was just like, dog, he doesn't want to be a fucking Jedi. He doesn't want to fucking be here. Like, can you think about that?

Can you think about the episode of the Mandalorian where Asoka kidnaps Grogoo in the middle of the night? Like, she senses the, oh my God. This motherfucker is. a doll and then then wakes up and Grogoo's just gone and Assoca's like Assoca's going through the galaxy

so he's not gonna he's got parents Who do you have in a 1-1 Grogu or Sabine both get a Oh Jesus Christ I'll just answer the question Charles it's such a Like who cares

So like What? What? Who gives the shit? And if Sabine has more training, technically. He's a baby. Grogan would mess Sabine up. He's a baby.

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but we're talking this out because I think these are a lot of the questions that fans have about the show that are trying to connect with it. I do think this. Number one, different tools for different jobs. To Jomi's point, while I don't think that Thron is a bigger threat, than Palpatine in a fully formed 30, 40-year-old empire is, I do think it's a different threat, and I do think that they have less resources, right? What we also saw in this episode, remember, let's not rewrite the episode.

What we also saw in this episode was the fact that they can't get the Republic to aid them in their current mission. That means they might need to take on some different skills. like the arc and the journey for Sabine during Rebels was for Rebels. If she's not going to continue to grow, if Asoka's not going to continue to grow, if these characters aren't going to continue to evolve, learn new things, unlearn some old things, move to different places, then there's really no reason to make this stuff, right?

There's no reason to keep it going. If they're going to continue making this stuff and carrying these things, things on, I would assume that there are going to be new lessons, new journeys, and new obstacles that they're all going to face. And so I look at this force training for somebody who is still relatively young in their life, much too old to be a pattern on, but still young in their life that that's a part of it, right? So I don't have very much of a problem with that. Do I have some of the same questions about, like, is that how that cup ends up moving? Like, when that's going to happen? Is there anything?

Do we know at all if she's force sensitive to the degree that a traditional Paduan would be? Who knows? But once again, Asoka said, I don't need her to be a Jedi. I need her to be herself. And so we'll see what she's capable of. And also, one other thing I have to say, I personally think that this episode moved the plot forward a ton.

Yeah. What? Like, I do. Absolutely, it did. In what way? You don't feel like that? Okay. So we think about the things that we just learned in this episode.

And by the way, it's not a perfect episode of television, but it's one that I really liked. Think about what we learned. And when we talk about what we don't like, I'll talk about these people because I hate them worse than the empire. I hate the New Republic worse than the Empire. I do. I hate them. They made me sick. At least the Empire had like a point of view.

The New Republic. What? I mean, I don't know about the point of view. It's just, it's just ineptitude to the highest degree. No, I'm not, no. No, the empire did actually have a, they did have a point of view. Like, they definitely, like, even if you watch Clone Wars and you watch the prequels, the empires, like, a lot of the people are like, yo, the government has gotten fat.

They don't care about us. There's fucking lawlessness. And, like, fascism creeps in because they're just like, hey, we're going to give y'all order. But most people, and it's happening in our. real world don't realize is that the order that you want, quote unquote, comes at a very, very steep price and generally

when we have to pay it, you end up with a lot of people. Because it was manufactured by Papatine and Duku, the separatist thing like that was... But everybody who went along with them was already upset with the way that the

status quo of the galaxy was going on. Am I right? I agree with you. So So let me, let me, I mean, this was explored. Y'all act like sometimes you don't watch this shit. Like the, remember the guy who was driving Obi-Wan, the cool animal was played by Zach Brass? He goes, there's nothing wrong with a little order. First of all, I'm not caping on behalf of the empire and or so.

The empire is that. I'm not saying, I'm not telling how terrible empire is. But what I'm saying is, in real life, this is actually sometimes the actual problem that I have, right? Like, I look at the far, right? And sometimes there are parts of me that go, Jesus Christ. I wish our people were as seemingly in lockstep, seemingly on fire, and knew their identity as much as they do. And now when I watch the New Republic, it's almost that same thing. They have actually learned zero lessons from the war that they won and from the people that they are trying to govern for.

and they are just becoming obstructionists in stuff that the people who won the war are telling them that they're for the people that won the war and the stuff that they're telling them that they need to do. It's odd and it makes me hate them almost more because they should be the ones going, oh, okay, well, we know how bad that was.

Take some people and go look at that. Go check that out. Take some people and go see what's up. Because we know that Hera, a war hero and a general, with know kind of what's going on, but that's not what they do. And every time we see them,

every time we see the New Republic, we see this not just ineptitude, that would be one thing, but this arrogance that is like really fucked up. Like it's bad and it's weak and it's weird. But going back to what I was saying about the episode itself, when you look at it, right, we were trying, at least I was trying to understand

how we were going to get to a point to where, All of these villains and heroes were going to be in a proximity to one another to where the fight was going to be about something tangible, right? The fight was going to be not about an idea of finding somebody or an idea of this evil that could be out there, but the fight was going to be about something real that I could grab onto. We did that. We had a magnificent Star Wars space fight. A Lucas-esque Star Wars space fight. It was good, man. You're tripping, man.

It was dope. So no, no, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, before we keep going on, whether this pushed the plot forward, this fight to me was a little like, aren't Assoca into Beating, like, I watched Asoka for seasons now. Strategically speaking,

it is one thing to do some dumb shit in a cartoon where there's cartoon logic. It's another thing in live action where they're like, we're just going to keep flying straight toward the thing with a bunch of lasers on it. And I'm just like, why? Like a couple minutes before,

they're just like, hey, it's Jedi procedure where we got to drop out of hyperspace, go there slow, see what's happening. After that, they're just like, fuck it, man, just vibes. We're going to survive this with vibes. That's not true. Wait, you're telling me that that was a great strategy

that they were like, yeah, we're just going to keep fly straight toward it. That's it. Who Yang, specifically, is like, hey, there's a reading I don't understand. we have to fly towards the reading and see what it is. And what did what did Hugh Wang

figure out after that reading? That was so, that almost got them killed. It was a hyperspace ring. That was a high space ring. That's a large hyperspace ring. I was like, that's hyperspace ring. It's just big.

Jesus Christ, Charles. That's not. That's not going to slide. No, no, no. Be real. Be real. Because I was just like, I thought Huang was going to say something.

He was like, oh, there's an energy reading. There's some type thing on that that we got to investigate. And then he was like, baby boop, I'm awake again. Turns out that's a hyperspace ring. And I was just like, dog, that's what we are making jumps from galaxy to galaxy, which is not a thing that they do. It can travel farther. Okay. So, so let's, okay, so now that Charles is given his account, his hilarious account. Jesus Christ.

Y'all are bugging. You know. Hold on. Hold on. Let's look at what actually happened. Let's look at what actually happened in the show. And what actually happened in the show was that, number one, they thought that Hara was going to be with them. And they only learned that Hara is not going to be with them while they are en route to Morgan and the hyperspace ring. They thought Hara was going to be with them. So they learned late that Hara wasn't going to be there. And Hara was very dismayed that she wasn't going to be there. They figured a general could rally up some troops and help them out.

and they were going to go there with a sector of Republic fleet, of the Republic fleet, and a lot of backup that they didn't have, right? That didn't happen. They're not going to turn around. They got to go get their frame. I'm not saying that they have to turn around. They're not going to turn around.

I'm just saying that them being like, oh, man, Harris are not here. Fuck. All right, we're just going to keep doing what we're doing. And you have like six ships. And then a big one in front of you. and your biggest, like your whole strategy is we're going to fly straight towards it. Guys.

Look, guys. First of all, let's, first of all, okay, let's go back. Number one, I don't have a problem with it. It is what it is. But I'll say this, I'll say this, though. You know, I'll say this. If we concentrate on the space battle itself is what we should get to. Let me tell you why I liked it, if that's okay.

Then we can get to what we didn't like. after this. I'll tell you why I like the space battle. Number one, there was character inside of this, but first of all, it looked fantastic, but there was character inside of the space battle. The thing that I have the most problem with is a scene where I don't learn anything about the characters. I watched them learn how to work together again, which you also get in the training montage. I watched them learn how to work together again. I watched Sabine in that situation actually take control, right, and tell Asoka what she needed, which in any Jedi Padawan relationship, what you see from a good master is sometimes that master taking cues from

the Padawan. The Padawan has to be an asset to the Jedi. And when we see that in these different iterations of Star Wars, it does a lot for the characterization of the Padawan. They are not simply somebody following orders. There's somebody who has their own point of view and a good master allows that paduan to have that. So watching Sabine take the lead was very key in that because I would assume she's going to have to take the lead a little bit later. And also, bro, it looked great for all of the goddamn criticisms of sometimes this stuff

looking like it's shot on the volume that looking like Lego Star Wars or whatever. This was a big, vast, deep, cool looking space fight that had character stakes and evil people in ships trying to shoot at our heroes. And by the way, I loved it that Asoka got out, stood on the wing

in her Osoka astronaut suit and was flipping around and cutting people up. When you're talking about badass Jedi's doing badass Jedi stuff, that's what the fuck I'm talking about. I'm talking about a badass Jedi.

Reading the fucking the expanded universe legend stuff look I can think about Jason solo the Jedi twins or the rest of them doing all kinds of shit y'all wouldn't believe so like really shit like crushing X wings while they're crushing

fucking B wings tie fighters while they're in the sky just crush them that's how that's how crazy the force is the the legends cannon force usage was on some different shit so somebody flipping throughout that's not that's the type of shit we didn't seen before I'm fucking with it

like Kyle Loren stopped a blaster bolt in mid air. That's the type of forcey shit I like. Cut the wings off of a goddamn ship. Star Wars is fucking back, Charles. I don't know, but fuck what you say. All right. Now, you're down. Hold on. Hold on. Y'all got the rest. Charles. Charles, when I'm down, I'm down. When I'm

up, I'm up. That's what I am, Charles. You never know with me. You never have a clue. She fucked the wrong. Fuck it. My check. My check from Kathleen got lost in the fucking air. I didn't know what time you were on this one. My bad. I like, I mean, again, I talk about how much I like

scene. I think, and Hugh Yang mentions this, he's like, you're not from a typical line of a Jedi, right? And if you look, if you look at it, it goes, Yoda, Duku, Quigon, Obi-Wan, um, Quigon,

O'Bee-Wan, Anakin, and Asoka. He's terrible. Hugh Yang killed that line. I was just like, that's a bar. That's a bar, bro. That's a lot. That's a lot problem, man. That's a lot problem. He was basically saying, your whole family's fucked up. Yeah, you're bad. like 500 in that joint.

I actually I actually looked back. I actually did the same thing Jomi just did. I'm like, God damn, man. These niggas is fucked. Wait, let's do it live. Let's do it live.

So how far are we starting back on this? Or should we start? If we start with Anakin, Anakin's the worst of them all. Like that motherfucker is. It goes, so it's Anakin, then Kenobi, then Quigar, Quigon,

then Duku. All right, too bad, too good. too bad, too good. But think about it. Even Quigong Jin was a thorn in the side of the Jedi Council. But to be fair, to be fair, he was spitting. Like, if they had to be quite, a lot of this shit wouldn't have happened. So, but still, I get what you're saying.

He was not the most popular Jedi while he was around. But still, batting 500, let's keep going. What's after Quigone? Yoda. Yoda. And that's the start of the line. But Yoda, I do feel like Yoda trained so many padermil. that Yoda being a part of the line is just kind of like it is what it is.

You know what I mean? But Yoda trained so many Pada ones. I don't even know if I put Yoda. Like Yoda is in the line, but to your point, how many Padawans did he have in terms of like how many did he actually train? But they were almost all trained by Yoda. You know what I mean? It's like Yoda was such, he was the grandmaster of the Jedi. So they were almost all of them were, you know, like if we're going to.

But if we go forward, Q-Hang doesn't know this, we got Ray, Kylo Ren, you know what I'm saying? Luke. Like that's, I mean, look. Luke is 50-50 because that motherfucker tried to kill his own nephew. So, like, he's not all the way good either. Man, the only thing that Luke loves more than the dark side is pushing children to decide their destiny.

when they're infant babies. Luke, Luke be fucking, Luke be flirting. Luke be flirting with the dark side, man. I love, a Skywalker,

bro, if you're a Skywalker, you love a little sidey side. You live, you like the light side with literally a side of the dark side. The dark side is like the mashed potatoes to a Skywalker. If y'all were in Yodas position,

would you take everybody connected to the Skywalker's? It just be like, I'm giving y'all a galaxy that is so far away. and y'all handle your shit out there. Because I don't know, because they, they kind of infect the rest of the order if you think about it.

The Skywalker's, you have to take them. You know what I mean? You need them. In what way? Because they got too much talent, bro. You don't want to,

you want to at least a shot with them because if the sidey side gets them, the DS, the dark side. If we are looking at, they started two empires, essentially, or helped.

That's rough. Two? In what? In the course of like 25, years? It's not what you want. It's not ideal, but you got to take them, bro.

So you're, so you're in real life, let's say a motherfucker can shoot a couple threes. You're like, we'll take his line because. Bro, this happens all. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? All the time. What are you talking about?

Like, you don't watch a lot of, why would you make this choice? You don't watch a lot of sports. You'll see on the draft, it's like, yeah, man. I'm glad that they believed in me. You know, I have four aggravated. assaults six different you know what I'm saying like this happens all the

time but yeah this happens the Skywalker's are essentially those guys you know what I'm saying? If I'm gonna be positive I should have said this up top it was a stroke of genius having Huing in this like as a character

I laugh every like because he is the character like every single time he says something I'm just like dog that's what I'm fucking thinking why are y'all wasting your all time on Sabine. He has a fucking point. I honestly think that he should be leading this. Because if I'm

to be real, I don't know if Asoka has the leadership capabilities. I think she's a lone wolf. Are you just saying shit? Ossa doesn't have what it takes. You're telling me that Assoca is a team player that she's like you can build

a team around Asoka because if we're She was a fucking general in the Clone Wars. Yeah, I don't know what you're on about this. She was. She was was a general in the Clone War. And literally in every single episode, what did Anakin have to do? Anakin had to be like, you know, Asoka

just because you're a Jedi and you could do flips and shit doesn't mean these clones can. Like the clones are like to be trying to keep up with her and Assoca's like, come on guys, it's easy. And I'm like, dogs, like she's been too talented since birth. That's why Anakin shouldn't have been fucking training her. If we're going to

be honest, because both of them don't realize the rest of the galaxy ain't as talented as them. Now, older, or Asoka does realize that. But I don't think Asoka's a team player like that. She's like fucking Kevin Duran. She's, okay, so number one, the fact that she walked away from Sabine

in the first Kevin Durant. I don't know. You're just going. Oh, man. That's crazy disrespectful. How's a crazy disrespect? Has he won? This is so weird.

Since he left the Warriors, has he want to, as he want to ring? I don't want to do this. This is not the time. This is not to every NBA show. I don't want to do this, bro. I don't want to do this, Chuck.

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Now we have some stuff. This was my point. We have some stuff. We have some stuff that's going on. Our Jedi, Asoka, Sabine, are now being hunted. They're now in a situation where the odds are against them. They're going to have to choose between their mission,

which is to find Ezra and Thrawn and get to the bottom of it, and the fact that they're going to be outgunned and outnumbered while doing this. This is the essence of the Star War. This is the essence of it. What do we have, our guile, our talent, and our purpose up against forces that this is the Star War to me. This is the Star War.

This is the Star War. This is what it is. That's the cruiter millennium falcon. That's the-you- This is the Star War. This is the Star-Wor. Congratulations, Reddit. I don't appreciate it. I don't appreciate it.

I don't appreciate it. Y'all got to it. That's not fair, Charles. Why? What's not fair about it? The fact of the matter is we even have to talk about the fact we saw a pericle. Doug, that was my, that's my negative. That's one of my negatives, the episode.

Oh, John, get your shit off. Show me. Not enough. Not enough. Not enough pergels. Like, that was amazing. Get out of here. No, no, no.

That scene was incredible. I mean, because they tease it in Mando, like the first episode where they're going through hyperspace and Grogu sees the pergill. And we were like, oh, what does that mean? And then we finally see them in live action. And you see Asoka and, and, and, you see Asoka. and Sabine see them in real life, not just the first time since Ezra disappeared.

And we're seeing them in live action for the first time, and it's like, yo, not only are they huge, but they're absolutely majestic and just grandiose and just incredible. And watching them fly, dip through the tendrils and by the mouth and by the eyes. It was awesome to see. It was incredible to watch. I'm like, dang, man.

Jesus Christ, Joe. It's only like a, you know, four or five-minute scene, but I was like, this, man, I want to, I wanted to see more. I love that. I, that was, I don't know, it just felt really, again, like, that whole space thing felt really Star Wars to be, like the essence of Star Wars. This is why we love it.

This is why we showed up to the theaters, you know, in 2005 for attack of the, or revenge of the Sith, even though the first two prequels were terrible, right? We showed up for Rise of Skywalker, you know, and we're, had our hearts hurt out. Because Star Wars has potential for stuff like that. And I loved every second of it. And I wish we had more of the Pergles, man. I can't wait to. We're hopefully going to see more of them.

I can't wait for that. Charles, you didn't like the Pergles. You didn't like the pergull because I think it's just like. Nigel, what the fuck am I supposed to feel about a pergle, bro? Like, let's be real, bro. Charles is over for you. Like, let's be real, bro. Yeah, you all.

You're all, bro. You cooked. You cooked, though. Come on, man. You cooked. What are you cooked. You cooked. Not after.

As your, as your. The member berries was cute, y'all. The member berries was cute. Don't know. You all. Can't you. Can't you. Oh, yeah.

The pergles. All right. I'm going to. So here's the thing about the member berries. The pergill, we really don't member berries with them because we haven't seen them in live action before. Ha, ha. In your mouth. We, like, we're, we're still exploring the pergill.

It's still something new. What is there to explore with the pergles? Can you please tell me the character arc of the pergol that you would like to see? Be honest, real quick, though, before we move on, that is a slight in your mouth. No, it is not. Y'all are talking about some space whales. Like, what, like, what am I supposed to feel? I like whales.

I know the space whales that took Ezra and Throne, the people that you're, you desperately need in the show so bad, those are the guys who took Ezra and Throne to wherever they weren't. The people that I desperately need in the show so bad. You literally just. Last week, last week, motherfuckers was telling me if Thrawn doesn't show up by episode four, this shit is cooked. And then 30 minutes ago, you said the same thing. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't ruin my hot takes, okay? The hot take was coming.

You're jumping the fucking gun. Jonathan, play the tape. What tape? You said it. Like 30 minutes ago, throwing in there so don't show up, well, I don't know what I'm a dude. Okay, here's a deal.

Come on. Here's the bottom line. The pergul, for me, not a member, Barry. It is something that I've always wanted to see in live action. that I saw. That's different than a member berry. A member berry is hey remember when but there are things right there are things with characters that we've seen in different iterations that we can see now that I feel like are not necessarily member berries okay and the per goal was something I had never seen in live action before

and so I was into it if you want to call it a member berry I suppose you could but they looked cool be honest they did they did I'm not saying they look bad they did they didn't did look cool. It's just like you guys like, this was a transformational experience. But I saw the pergill for the first time in live action. I'm like, nobody said that. It's cool. Like, it's cool. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Ron DeSantis. Nobody said that.

See what you're doing? See what you're doing? You're saying that, you're saying that we want to use CRT to take over the American government. That's not what we want. We just, we just want to talk about what went down. We don't want to use it to take over the American government. See what you do it? But look, but look, and look, and also where the pericle came in in this episode is key to me because there was action, character, and then wonder. The wonder of it was great to me.

Seeing them, it was a big spectacle. This show, this particular show right here, to me, had a movie feel to it. It had a movie feel to it. Okay. Now, bailing comes in at the end. talked about it. We now know that they're going to be hunted. We saw all of our players.

We saw Morgan. Morgan doesn't seem like she's the sharpest knife in the drawer. And there's also at play something between Shin and Morgan. Shin reacted in a specific way when Morgan identified herself as a witch. Exactly. And now there seems to be something between them where she's not really fucking with her. I wonder how that's going to play out in the rest of the story. So what I didn't like, this is a thing I didn't like.

I am not fond, once again, it is a nitpick. I'm not fond of the look of Hara. Every time Hara comes on, it's like a little bit jarring for me. I'm not fond of the look of Hara. Jomi, I know you're all over it. Another thing that I'm not fond of is the, it was great to see Ma'amothma, but like the portrayal of the New Republic in this new iteration, of Star Wars, we talked about it a little bit before,

they're really, really, really going hard to make me believe that there was no reason for these guys to have won. That essentially it was our characters that we should have been rooting for, whereas the New Republic is just a bunch of slap dicks who not only can't get things right, but are so fucking stupid. And I get that that's a part of the whole

disorganization of where the galaxy is now. But it is a little off-putting every time we see them, besides Ma'amathma, they're fucking up and they're whack. I'm a little bit used to that because, you know, they fucked over Leia and legends and all of that stuff like that. But it's, it is, that scene was annoying to me. That scene annoyed me. I, that scene probably to me was the weakest.

And what I mean by that is, I think Andor did such a good job of painting the empire in a very, very specific way so that you knew from the top brass to the bottom, the janitor to the fucking generals, what they believed, what they wanted. Everybody was part of this fascist organization. but they were not all running towards the same goal in the same way that the people who were fighting the empire, the rebels, all had the main goal, which was overthrowing the empire, but they had many goals

that were driving them as characters. I think after the three Force Awakens, Last Jedi, Rise of Skywalker, Mando series, Asoka, I don't know what the New Republic wants. I don't know what they believe in, really.

They're not characters. That's why when they just pop up as holograms, I'm like, I don't feel anything, first of all, and second of all, do you all, are you all rooting for the New Republic to be successful? Like, I'm, I don't care. Like, I'm rooting for my heroes to win. But the New Republican fuck off at this point, because I don't know what they're scared. Oh, boy.

What? What has happened? Did you see the slide video again? Did you see the slide video again? So what happened? No. That's funny, bro. That's funny. The New Republic, bro, put that on the T-shirt, bro.

Put that on the T-shirt with Palpatine's head behind it, bro. The New Republic can fuck off. That's funny, bro. At this point, though, right? But at this point, do we even know what the New Republic is or wants? We watch so much of this shit and we sound kind of terrible. Yeah, I mean, that's the point.

That's why the first order comes to power. You know, like, clearly their wires are crossed and they don't know what they're doing. So it's easy for Kylo Ran and Tux and all those people to be like, hey, guys, don't worry about it. We got it. And they come into power, you know? Like, it's very much clearly showing the ineptitude

of the new republic is just what we're watching. So like, it doesn't matter if you don't care or not. We don't have to sit here and be like, oh, man. Oh, it totally 100% matters if you care or not.

So what? Are we supposed to see them like, they're not going to succeed. We know that they fail, right? So if they come in and like, all right, we had a plan, here's a six-step plan. We'll draw Wilson's 14 reasons.

Here's what we're going to do. And then they fail. And then what? Are we supposed to, like, feel bad? Like we know what happens. No, but what I'm saying is, they're seeding the reasons of why. Our heroes are fighting so desperately. Okay.

So you save this thing. And I need to understand why they are fighting so desperately besides we've already, we know what the empire is. Is this like, even in. That's your answer. And Hara are like, the new republic is not worth saving. Or like you need an extra couple of beats because right now through essentially a bunch of of movies and a bunch of TV shows, I don't have a sense of what the New Republic

really is, and I don't care. And that I do think is like a failing. So, okay, I don't disagree. I have a problem with the portrayal of the New Republic as well. I don't disagree, although the New Republic in any Star Wars,

whatever, has never, even the old Republic. There were so many holes in it that it really gave way to a lot of people choosing the empire. It gave a way to a lot of people choosing the empire.

Like we've seen that the new republic, the republic itself, even go back to the old republic, hasn't always been the cure-all for the ills of the galaxy that we thought that it was, or that some of our heroes thought that it was. All right, so two things. Number one, I'm on board with you with just being annoyed with watching senators who don't seem to care about the health of their fledgling republic, like they say. That is annoying. But as far as our heroes, our heroes aren't fighting for something. They're fighting against something. And that to me is very understandable, right? We talked about it a little bit earlier here on this podcast. I understand what it means to cast a vote, which is more against something than it is for something. Like, unfortunately, that's kind of a reality that we live in sometimes.

Our heroes here are fighting because, A, they have an understanding of how dangerous Thrawn is and how dangerous a galactic military, a galactic navy, should I say, organized around Thrawn is as opposed to one organized around Palpatine and Grand Moth Tarkin. Let me tell you something right now. If Thrawn would have been in the place that Tarkin was, the empire would have won. Like, the, the, Tarkin was such a poor. military leader and just a terrible, terrible fucking tactician. And Thron was so good that had Thrawn been in a place that Tarkin was in, the empire

would have won. And it wouldn't have been controversial the way they would have won. It wouldn't have it took 10 Luke Skywalker's to beat the empire if Throne was in charge. And they realized that he's that dangerous. They can't make the senators realize it or the rest of the republic realize it because they never fought against them. But to be fair, everything you're saying is, A, more interesting than what was on screen, and B, because Thron has not shown up yet, and it seems like this isn't necessarily going to be the Thron show, it is going to be more so searching for Thron. I do find that it not having that core a little destabilizing because I can hear all of these things about Thron that you're telling me, but in the Asoka show, if you're, you're,

have not seen rebels, if you haven't seen any of that. In the Asoka show, they just keep bringing up Thrawn. That's fair. They're not doing a very good job of being like, no, this is why he is so dangerous. This is why Asoka is like, fuck this. No, we need to stop this. I don't, because I could even take this episode in a better light if Asoka's judgment is being clouded by her anger, her resentment, her need for revenge against Thron.

but so far because he's not in the show, it's more so people vaguely being like, we can't let this man, we can't let it. Guys, y'all don't realize. And I'm just like, no, like, explain it to me. Like, I'm five. Like, I know it as a Star Wars fan, but if I was like a regular viewer,

I would be like, who is Thrawn? And why are you trying to stop it? That's actually, that's a fair point. That's a fair point. What? So we talked about the lack of flashbacks. Jomi wanted to do some animated flashbacks. That's not what happened.

It's not. Let's not re-litigated, Joe. You said what you said. It's not really. I just might, I'm thinking of flashbacks and my brain is like, well, Rebels is, you know, animated. Like, look, there's in my best moment. No. But, you know, it happens to all of us.

I'm just fucking with you, though. So, all right. The next episode, we know episode four, directed by the great Peter Ramsey, will be clocking in 42 minutes. So we know that's how much television. that we're getting. So Charles, to your point about Thron, I think that that's a fair point if people are uninitiated to the characters in terms of understanding how dangerous Thrawn is. I get it. What would you like to see the show do to maybe establish Thrawn and the specific danger that he presents to all of our characters and to the sort of new piece in the galaxy

right now? How would you want them to approach establishing him as the guy that we know him to be? to your point, I'm not trying to write this show. I'm just saying in the next five episodes, what I do need to see is that I will be disappointed as a fan if Theron is essentially going to be like a Thanos-level villain in a movie. I would much rather them introduce live-action Thrawn here and develop his character here. By the time we get to the movies,

I don't want to have to do all of this deep digging into who Thron is in the character. If you have eight episodes, like, let's be real. We've gotten at least one movie's worth. Three episodes like 90-minute move, if not more. I would like to see you some of the last five episodes, at least if Thron is going to be your big villain, setting him up like that. Like, tell me, show me why Asoka is so afraid, why Hara.

Hera is so smart. Like in the animated show, like she is, there's a reason that she is the leader, and Canaan is not. Like, Canaan is the leader on the field and everything, but people follow Hera. In this,

it took me a while while she was, wait, why is her losing her cool like this? And then I had to be like, oh, well, she's fought Thrawn, she misses Ezra, Canaan, all of this stuff. But if you don't have any of that backstory,

I'm just like, she just seems like an, apt leader. So I need them very, very quick. In the, in the senator scene? Why does she feel inept? What? In that scene, because it felt like she was letting her emotions about

throwing and all of these things, like, get ahead of her. And I'm just like, Hera, you need to realize these, like, you already know these senators don't give a fuck. They haven't given a fuck. I disagree. I was, I was annoyed with them. Like, no, I was annoyed. I was annoyed with the senators.

The senators were wrong. don't get me. But there's a reason that her like, her right hand man when they walk out is like, that went well. Because he even realizes like, yo, Hara let them get the best of her. Like she fell into their trap in a way that I'm like, that makes sense. I'm fine with Hara falling into a

trap. But there is a level of like you have to do, I have to do a lot of thinking being like, wait, why would Hara fall for this? When she's like, at least in the animated show, I'm just like, Hara would like fucking walk circles around these people. The reason why I say that's interesting. That is interesting. That's a legitimately interesting take. And the reason

why I say that is because, number one, I feel like that trope of battle-hardened military person talking to either elected official or bureaucrat and those wires being crossed, I've seen that so many times, and I almost always, you're set up to identify with the person that actually was in a foxhole, right? So it's like, hey, you ever, you ever, you ever been to war before? You ever seen what happens to a man? Think about how many times if somebody said that. You ever been in a firefight? You ever been in a firefight? You ever been to one that you're like, bro, you know what? Cap said that to fucking, uh, to Iron Man. He's like, you've never had to make the decision about. And that's, in that same movie, Sam Jackson says the same thing to the council.

He says, ever been in a firefighter counselor? You don't really feel an ounce. There's not really an ounce of control. Yeah, but no, but what you guys are, you guys are not wrong. That trope to me, that is a trope that always works. That's not. That wasn't my issue. My issue with it was is that because we haven't seen Thrawn, because we have not seen the thing that she is so fearful of, I have to do the work as a-

But she's seen it. Yeah, but they have not set up a good job of like, just because she's just like, guys, y'all should be worried about Thrawn. That emotionally is hard for me to connect. with because I have not seen it in live action. And I think the thing that I'm talking towards more is that I've fallen in love with these characters. I have felt these emotions, these wars, these losses in an animated context.

I have not felt them yet in a live action context. So when Hara just walks into that and I was just like, Hara, did you think that was going to go your way? Like, it was just, we've seen that same scene happening and or in ways that were a little bit more fleshed out and didn't seem as like paper thin where I was just like Hera if what the senators are saying is true and like you've been trying to waste quote unquote money searching for this lost Jedi for a while kind of should know that they're like fuck it fuck off like Johnny what you got now so one thing about this thing that I think is

interesting um senator hamato zono right the guy who was you know pressing on hera and making it look like you're not really interested in that. Fun fact. I don't know we guys know this. The father of Kaz Zeno from Star Wars Resistance, a show that everybody watched and is locked in on. But it's a fun of East Street. That scene, I mean, I don't completely discreet Charles,

but I think the thing is we know that what Harris has been through with Thron, right? Like you can try and separate it, you know, between like oh we have seen a live action or whatever but we we understand her feelings like but we get the bulk of the audience has it if we're going which is fair which is fair like casual fans won't but we do right so for us to sit here and say well it like it can fall flat for some people it didn't for us oh it did for me though and i that's my issue is because i am a fan of this stuff where i left being very much like i'm not saying this from a

TV critic lens at all. But a lot of people are like, who is this show for? And that scene was a perfect, was a perfect kind of, you know, it was a perfect example of the thing that I'm kind of bumping up against

is I'm like, if this is just going to be for the fans, the people who have seen Clone Wars and Rebels, cool, do that. It's not, though. It is trying to have it both ways. It's trying to be new viewer friendly enough so we can get that Mando crowd, but also lore have,

enough that we will be satisfied. And at this point, I'm just like three episodes in, it seems like it's dividing both the core fans and the casuals in a way where I'm just like, you're splitting the difference in a way that I don't think is benefiting

the show at all. I don't think it's a fighting the core fans at all, actually. They love this thing. It just depends on I don't even, I can, I'm, this is what I'll say

to what, oh, Jomey, do you want to, do you want to respond to you? I don't think the core fans are, I think the core friends are loving this. I think the casual fans are having a problem, and we can talk about this another time. But the people who are like locked in on this stuff are having a blast. She didn't join it. So this is what I'll say about what Charles is saying right now. And two things, and they both have to do with Andor. All right.

So first of all, I'm going to give props to Andor. Andor did something that I did not think was actually possible. Andor took this great big, big, huge villain that we know is a big, big huge villain, which is the empire. And they made it seem worse. They made it seem worse than it had ever been made to seem in live action. They made it human, which made it worse. there were people who were doing this. Right.

And so when you look at things that the empire had done, the empire destroyed Alderach, right? It's a terrible, terrible thing. They destroyed a whole planet, brought the end of the world to that planet. And, you know, that once again was a terrible move by an idiot Tarkin because it actually galvanized the rebellions cause a stupid idiot Tarkin. now the reality is Leah got over that pretty quickly and I'm not trying to be a dick

but that worked to do man the reality is that was our vacation home the reality is that you know Leah I'm not saying that it didn't bother her be sure that it bothered her but they didn't really spend very much time and it was a different time with Leah dealing with what happened to Alderon Did you say it was a different time? It was a different time.

A genocide back then in a galaxy far away. No, no, no. What I'm telling you is. I'm fucking with you. Yeah. No, I'm saying. It's like now if your whole fucking planet gets destroyed, you're going to have some bad dreams.

They're going to do a couple. You know what I mean? At that time, it was like, oh, that's fucked up. The empire is terrible, whatever. And the entire time they were looking at the empire, especially in the original trilogy, the empire, essentially becomes Darth Vader, right? And then he's redeemed.

So the empire is terrible and we know what we're fighting against and we know that they do bad things and they're terrible. But like, fucking Andor did a immensely immaculate job at telling us just how bad somebody's life was under the empire's rule. When he gets thrown in jail, like all of that stuff, it's really, really crystal clear. So the Andor does a much better job of creating their villain thus far than Asoka has or really a lot of other things. You know, that also is in Roe 1. Same thing in Roe 1. But to give another show props because I don't want people to be like, you all keep talking about Andor. I thought the first two seasons of Mando also did a very, very good job of like, because it was a procedural, it's very episodic.

you got to go to a planet and see how the empire is affecting this small planet. They don't have to blow up the planet for the planet to be under siege, which gave me a better sense of what someone like Amanda or a Grogu were fighting in this context. And that might happen with Asoka were only three episodes in. Continue. Right, right. So I'll give it this. This is what I'll say, though.

And this is for me, for you, for everybody. We're going to do ourselves a favor right now. we're going to let Andor go. We're going to enjoy Andor season two when Andor season two comes out. Andor is the Eminem of Star Wars. Oh, don't do that. Don't do that. It is not the Eminem of Star Wars. No, what do you mean about that? What do you mean about that? What I mean is it's its own little thing that is really excellent, but is not held.

to the same standards as everything else. It's his own little thing that's really excellent, but if you really want to enjoy it, you have to enjoy it on its own. Because if you start trying to compare one guy who's rapping about having a fun time and summertime to another guy rapping about killing his mother, you're not going to do yourselves any favor.

Andor is aggressive. I do not like this. Andor, comparing Andor to Eminem is egregious, bro. Even though you explained it very well. I love Eminem. I love Eminem or I loved him at that time the way the things were going. I don't listen to him very much now, but he's amazing. But you couldn't be, it's its own thing, kind of.

It's its own world. And I think it's important to your point, Charles, for them to do. I think everything that you said is facts. It's important for them to do what you say that they should do. terms of Thron. And maybe that'll happen more organically when he's actually in the show. Because even the portrayal of Thron and Rebels is not the way Throne is in the lore that I read. The Throne and Rebels is a much more villainy villain than the Throne that you get from the Legends Canon. That guy isn't even really a villain.

Wait, which portrayal do you like, do you like more? Legends. But that's not to say that Thron in Rebels is whack, but the Thron in Legends is a guy that, like, values almost every single human life and does all of that. Like, the Thrawn in Rebels is a little bit

more, he's not a complete departure, but he's a little bit more villainy of a villainy of a villain. Also, to be fair, Rebels is a kid show, even though we don't talk about it. Like, so I don't know if you could get all of the nuances that you could. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? Because it

It's a 30 minute kid show. Like how complex can like you make Thrawn for a bunch of like 10 and 11 year olds? Right. So, you know, but in this show, for people who don't, there's another episode that Kalika struggled with. I mean, I'm just being honest with you. Yeah. What did Kalika think?

Because Kalika didn't like the first two. Was she a little bit warmer on this one? It, like, we watched it last night and it was a little bit later and we had traveled. so she fell asleep, but she did get into the parts of this that I think really buoyed the episode, the parts of it that are really awesome, the character stuff that was in here,

the fun that was being had, and not just fun for the sake of fun, real Star Wars plot driving fun that I feel like the episode had. She got into that stuff. But getting through, like she didn't know who Jason was. So she's like, who

gives the shit about that? You know what I mean? She doesn't really know very much about chopper. So she was like, I can tell that I, she's looking at. She's like, I can tell that I was supposed to be super into that. But because I'm not, it just seems like, it's like, who is that? Like, that's her son. And she's like, oh. Is there, is there a part of this that also has some of the like, MCU at home problem where like

sometimes you remember how you felt seeing something on screen in the MCU where it's almost like they give you a second beat. They give you like a second beat to like applause and shit, but at home you're like, oh, it doesn't work as well. And there were some points in this where I was just like

with Jace, with Chopper, I'm just like, I know who this is. I'm like, oh, cool, Jase. If I was like a regular motherfucker, I'd be like, who is this green hair child and why are y'all pausing for him? Who gives a fuck? Can I ask some really quick questions.

Sure, go for it. Rapid fire questions, because the fans would kill us and we didn't answer these. Is Merrick Ezra? Would you like if Merrick was Ezra? This is the type of shit that, more than anything, this is the type of shit that I'm exing out of my life. People want to know your real answer, though. More than anything, I don't know, bro.

I think it would be, to be honest with you, if he turned out to be Ezra, I think that would be kind of weird. Yeah, that's how I'm feeling. Yeah, if he turned out to be Ezra, I think it would be a little odd if he turned out to be Ezra. You know, some people think that he's the loot clone

from the expanded universe, legend stuff. That could be interesting, just to see that. But I don't know. People think he's Gail and Merrick, you know. which seems like it makes sense, but wouldn't he be like ripping people to shreds

and doing, you know what I mean? Also, I'm just going to say, can you introduce an entirely new character on top of all of the other new characters? That's what I'm struggling with. They're like, it's this character. And I'm just like, guys, we still have to get Ezra and Thron

and we still need to care about the two, not Sith, but not Jedi characters, and the fucking witch. I think it's probably Ezra but the first question I have is I'm like wouldn't Asoka the first time she fought him would have sensed that it was Ezra? Nope, nope, we can't even say that.

I just watched Attack of the Clones yesterday I just watched Attack of the Clones yesterday and I watch Mace Windo, Yoda, everybody, Konobi sit down right in front of Palpatine and have T. and Cronpice with this mother fucker and not since a fucking thing. So it's way around that dumbass shit.

But to be fair, Asoka has a relationship with Ezra. So force-wise, she would like, if anybody is going to recognize him who has the force, the only person so far in the series would be either Asoka or Sabine. Like if Sabine has force. Yeah. I just think that if he, that Ezra is a pretty formidable force user and that he, if he had really been corrupted by the dark side, there are probably ways that he could, he could stop her from sensing him. Is he undercover though? What you mean? Because I was saying, potentially, is he on the

dark side? Or if he is Ezra, I'm like, they can't do another Ezra dark side. They already did this shit in rebels when he was like, almost going to do it. So I was like, potentially, does he know that Thron is on the rise? And he's undercover trying to stop it. be fun. So, I mean, maybe that would be fun. They really have to write the hell out of that, though. If Mary turns out to be Ezra, they got just saying how would it work? Fuck out of that.

No, no, no. But I'm just saying, I'm just saying I'm not like, if my knee jerk is, I'm against that. But if they do do it, it has to be executed almost perfectly. You know, but, you know, who knows? What else you got? Next question. We've been talking around him. How did you feel about

the introduction of Jace? One, two, If Ezra does come back, do you think we're going to have Ezra and Jace as the new Jedi Padua Juan there? Jome, y'all go to yours. First of all, Jason is spending a lot of time with Chopper. I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't let my kids hang out with Chopper.

Chopper cusses a lot is a serial murderer and just an overall, like not somebody you want to learn a lot of lessons from. He's the father that stepped up, Jomey. Come on. I don't know. I can be the father that stepped up. don't play it. But if,

I mean, that would be like a full come home full circle moment though, honestly. For Ezra to train chasing just like Canaan trained Ezra. Like that would be something that honestly would warm my heart and bring tears to my eyes.

You know what I mean? Just like bringing it all back. That would be, that would be beautiful, honestly. I don't see how it's not. Next, I'm going to ask you this. I only have two more for you, then. Should Faloni have written all eight episodes by himself? So this is, I think

what's interesting about this is that even though Faloni doesn't direct, I think he's directing three or four episodes, he has sole writing credit, I believe, on all eight, if I'm right, if I'm wrong, somebody correct. Are you happy about that or three episodes in,

are you like, hmm, maybe trying to direct essentially like three movies and then write eight episodes of TV that are all about 45, 50 minutes might be too much for one person. I think the directing is a bigger issue than a writing. I think this episode is, to me, the best directed episode that we've seen in the series so far. I really do.

I think the directing is probably the bigger deal. I know that television direction isn't quite as a singular artistic thing as film direction is. but I think that Faloni has been with Favro throughout his live action journey and that there are probably some things that Favro was responsible for in terms of bringing different live action things to life and that this might be a situation where as a director, Dave is still finding his live action legs you know.

I think that shows a little bit more in the direction. I think this was well directed and it was cool. I'll be interested to see. I know he's splitting up those duties. Be interested to see how some of the subsequent episodes come off in terms of the way that their pace, the way the story points hit and all that different stuff. As far as him writing it by himself,

I think the union probably has more of an issue with that. The reason I was bringing it up is because most showrunners Taylor Sheridan is probably the biggest name who like he does a bulk of like the writing. Charlie Brooker, there are other people, you know what I mean? But most, even Tony Gilroy, he wrote a lot of episodes at Andor. He didn't write every single episode.

Like there were other. And I'm just wondering, I'm like, because Dave Bologna also wrote some Mando episodes. So I'm just like, is that just too much? for one person to tap. I think he's got to wrap it out, right? Because he's going to do this movie. So I think he's got to wrap it out.

I think he's got to find it. I don't have a problem with it. Also, I think he's got like a special attachment to these characters, these reverse characters in Asoka. Like, I don't know if he, you know, it was like, yeah, just let somebody else, you know, write these characters. Like he understands him. He, you know, created them, you know, breathes their air.

Like, it's just a different level for him. So for him, writing a. Doka dialogue, him writing, Sabine dialogue, him writing, Herodial dialogue. That's just something that comes second nature. I'm sure it was just like, yeah, I can knock out these eight episodes because I get these characters so easily. You know, comes so easy for her. Sure.

Thrawn watch. Placing Betts after three episodes. When is the blue fascist appearing? Five. I'm one to him. I'm five. I think I'm going to bump mine up. I think I'm going six.

I don't like here's like after episode three I don't know how he cannot be in this series more like I'm trying to think about it I'm just like how does this series work if we keep just pointing to him like he has to come sooner I would like it if he was in five though

it would be great if he was in four I said balin was barely in this one which tells me that you'll probably get a lot of bailin in the next episode at some point there's gonna be a a Sabine Shin rematch. And so I think you're going to get a lot of bail in next episode, which tells me that you probably won't get any thrown.

But I think whatever happens next episode, which I am really interested to see, I think you'll probably get a little throny thrown and five. I'd say five. I'm just thinking a lot of people need to get there, like, their parts. Asoka,

to your point, like Sabine needs to get a revenge or whatever you want to call it. Baylon has to, like even Morgan, we have to figure out what her deal is. So I'm just kind of wondering, I'm just like, damn, y'all have a lot of characters. We even need to get Hara back in the mix. So I'm just wondering how you do all of that

with like five episodes left. Do you know what I think about Hara's character? I think it's going to be largely what it is right now. I think she's going to eat around the edges. Because she has so much other stuff to do. She has so much other stuff to do in terms of her job in the Republic army that I don't know if she can quite

come on this adventure. We might not get a heavy, heavy dose of Hera till we get to our crescendo. Yeah. I don't like that. I need. I just Hera being the New Republic's mom, it's just being like, want, it's just, I'm like, put

Hera on the fucking ship and let her five. That's what I'm saying. Episode you know, 7 and 8, man, our heroes are in dire straits. Oh, man, what is going to happen? and you see the ghost drop out of hyperspace. And Harris, like, don't worry, guys, I got you. Come on now.

Sitema. Lock in. Chase gets out on the wing of the ghost, and he starts crushing. All right, man. The ships with the forest. Do we want to talk about family reactions really, really quick for five minutes? No. No?

Sure. All right. So I want to ask y'all of this. Rotten tomatoes. This is something you don't see a lot of rotten tomatoes. Assoc has an eating. 89%, which is a fresh, critically. Audience score is 79.

Then, in a rare move, so a third-party analyst, Samba, this is not rare. They came out and they were just like, hey, 1.2 million households watched Asoka. This is tied with Andor, but below Mando's season 3 and Obi-Wan. I think a day or two after that, Disney, in a very rare move, essentially was like, The first episode was watched by 14 million, like 14 million views. They usually don't give us that, which is like, which makes the 14 million views kind of useless because it's like, we don't know what Obi-Wan did or Bukubifet. So it was like 14 a lot.

What is a view? All of these things. I asked, I said all that up to say, does the commercial and critical reaction of Asoka point to some Star Wars fatigue? Because I went into this season thinking that this was going to be. be their next Mando. And I'm just like, I don't know if it can reach those heights.

And I'm not talking about like the baby Yoda of it all. I'm talking about having two pillars in live action on Disney Plus. I thought Asoka was going to be the next Mando. Do you think there's way too much Star Wars fatigue for that to happen in 2023? So this is what I'll say. And this is my honest answer. to the question. I'm not fatigued. I can't possibly be fatigued. I'll never be fatigued.

That is what's the biggest lie you've ever said. It's true. I'll never be fatigued with Star Wars. There always be Star Wars properties that I like more than others. They're all, they'll might, there may be some Star Wars properties that I don't get into, but I will never at one point in my life go, it's too much Star Wars. I can't do another Star Wars. I won't. And never. Someone that nights a lightsaber, I'm going to watch it.

All right. In terms of where I've been as a Star Wars fan throughout the years, there was a point where there was no Star Wars except for the stuff you could get at your bookstore. Then there was a little bit. Then there was a lot. Everybody who played Star Wars galaxies and did all of this other stuff. we don't really know how much Star Wars we want.

It's hard to say because you've been through so many different areas of it. It's hard to say, do I want as much as I can get? Well, it doesn't seem like it, but it doesn't seem like you don't. Do I want it to be a little bit more scarce so that it's special? I don't know.

Because there's a long time when I was making up stories in my head around this stuff. You don't know. It's not important. as far as what other people want, whether or not they are in line for the next movie or the next show, I've done this stuff by myself before and been interested in it by myself before, and I can do it again. I'm not fatigued. So the reason I was asking is because it is interesting that Lucasfilm Disney came out and was just like,

this is how successful Asoka is. because well i know why they're doing that they're doing that because they have movies to make they haven't been in theaters for a little while which is also the way most people most non-hardcore people are used to consuming star wars which is through films you know what i mean like when you're when you're looking at people um who have gotten to a lot of this stuff Like I used to people would be at home, they'd be like, bro, is that a Star Wars cartoon you're watching? I'm like, yeah. They'd be like, a cartoon?

I'd be like, yeah. Like, it's part of the story. Like, I want to know what happens, right? But most people, there are people out there, should I say not, I don't want to say most, because I'm not sure how many. There are all people out there who think that Star Wars isn't Star Wars any unless it's on the big screen. And all of the stuff that we're doing right now is a conduit to get those people to get into Star Wars again. So I don't think that Disney or Lucasfilm is at all into the narrative that people aren't watching. Because what they would say is that if people aren't watching this, then they might not go to their multiplexes and watch Asoka and Mando and all of these people when they make this big crossover film.

That's what I was getting at. Are they like, because this is, I would assume the Poloni movie is going to be the crown jewel of their. movie, next movie phase. They want their own Infinity War end game. Well, it'll be the beginning. Yeah. They're going to do, they're going to do, from what I, from what my understanding is, they're going to do air to the empire. So they might do a couple of movies with Thrawn as the batting. So it's the beginning. So I don't think it's the culmination. I think

the movie series will be the culmination, but I don't think that first film would be the culmination of anything. But what I'm saying is, are they worried that if we don't get enough people on board for something like Amanda Season 3, an Asoka, Skeleton crew, all of the stuff coming. Book of Boba Fett has been here. Is it going to be hard to get those people in a theater? Maybe.

I mean, yeah, of course. Obviously, they're worried that it'll be hard to get those people into a theater, but the only thing they can do is put the stuff out. And it's like, yeah, sure. There's a concern anytime movies coming out that you want to be able to get people to the theater, especially if you're putting in on television and people aren't responding to it the way that you, the way that you would want them to. But I mean, that's not going to stop them. I was just, I was thinking, no, I didn't, I didn't think it's, I don't think it's cooked.

I do, I'm not saying it's, did I say it was cooked? No, you know, people, I don't, it's an interesting, it's an interesting question. It's an interesting question. I think it's an interesting. Because, you know, Obi-Wan, obviously, it's Obi-Wan, obviously, it's Obi-Wan, if you were going to tune in. And coming off the high of Mando Season 2, we're going to tune into Mano season 3, right? Asoka and Andor are two different

things where, like, Andor is like, it's a character from the movie that people watch but didn't like and it's not about your force, so, yeah, you know, we'll see how it goes. Eventually, we were like, this is the best Star Wars thing we've ever seen. Oh, my God, this is incredible.

And then for Soka, a lot of it is mired in, hey, man, have you seen rebels? You've seen Clone Wars? You know? And when I talk to casuals, people who aren't as locked in, they're like, I mean, how much TV do I have to watch, you know, or can I just leap into this? Like, people are tentative to just jump into this show because, like, they don't know

half the people who are on screen all the time, right? They'd have to go back and do research and things like that. So for this show to like come out and like not set the world on fire I mean it's fine. You know what I'm saying? But I just thought it would after Bando season two. But it's been so long that maybe I was wrong. I really did think that like people were going to be like,

oh fuck we get a Jedi show where they're doing real Jedi shit. Hell fucking yeah. And it's more so been like, all right, whatever, cool. That's fair. Interesting time. Interesting time. Yeah, it's true. We'll see.

We'll see what happens. I think, like, look, I enjoyed this one a lot. A lot. You guys don't even fucking know how much. Fuck you guys. All right, that's enough. That's a wrap. Follow us on socials, insta, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, hashtag, Jomey is Jason's new dad.

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