The Ringer-Verse - 'Ahsoka’ Episode 5 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: September 13, 2023

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We are. Jomi, the explainer at dinner on. We've got questions. He's got answers. The Ghanaian gangster. We are. Coke Baby Chuck, the 24-carat closer, a. the brunch haughty,

aka sleeping beauty. And we are. Old man, Van, he of the receding, resurgent, bad form when lifting weights, hairline, together we are known as

a midnight boys. Whoa, well, Van, you ain't, you ain't bracing when you're lifting? I'm,

I got a trainer. It's lifting with your back. buddy. He's lifting with the on. Here's the thing. Once you fuck up your back, I fucked up my back working out. It's done. So it's the worst type of pain. The only thing that I can do is rely

on the professionals that I'm working out with. Okay. And they say things are fine. And I put my faith in them. I'm up to 275 on my lifts. I'm 275 squat, 275 deadlift. I am

240 on bench. We're going. What did they say is bad about your form? They say that my form is bad because my back isn't straight, right? And I'm not lifting with enough leg. Here's the thing. I've had a curved back ever since I noticed in the sixth grade that my tithes were poking out. Oh, my. Right.

This is a fact. Okay. Sixth grade, 1991, I noticed that my tities were poking out. And I rolled, I rounded my shoulders. And that sucked them in. And I've been like that ever since. hide the tit bombs. Even when I was thin.

I was still like, I got a curve back. I'm trying to work it out. But now I'm posting videos on there with the bad form just to troll people. Everybody's got an opinion. Yeah, but it's also your max weight. So you're like, yeah, I'm trolling,

but also peep the weight. I mean, yeah, it's 275, eight times, baby. Let's get it up. Eight times? Yeah. It's four. It sets. It's two sets of four.

I could do 253. That's like my, like that's where I'm locking out with the deadless. You're strong man. You're strong man. Fals on socials, guys. We'll have more riveting conversations like this on socials. Okay.

Insta, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, save Jomi's job. Rest and peace threads. Nobody cares. Tough. No one has the... We're still on the cesspool, baby. X, baby.

No one had the wherewithal to continue it. So now we're... What if y'all was going crazy last night? and I saw. Y'all didn't think I was going to see, but I fucking saw. Ooh. Oh, what happened?

Charles. Just Charles have a, hold on, wait, wait, wait. I would like to introduce a new, a new thing, okay? I would like to introduce a new thing here.

Midnight grievances. Oh, this is, this will be a grievance. I'm going to, I'm going to bring it up right now. Can y'all guess who it is? Uh, Jomemy. Steve.

I think it's Steve. Oh, is it's Steve? It's definitely Steve. Oh, really? Midnight grievance, the first ever, this is a big moment. The first ever midnight grievance. All right, let's go. And it's being brought up by Charles.

I also encourage the audience to also bring up their midnight grievances. Charles, let it go. This is for Stephen J. Allman. Jay. And Dan, I am now on your fucking side van because you are absolutely right about all of us. Last week, motherfuckers looked at me crazy because I respectfully, I respectfully was looking at a beautiful woman and I was just like I debate about how respectfully that was. Oh, it was respectful. It was respectful in my opinion. All right. I was respectfully looking.

I didn't get a fucking nothing. I didn't get grace. I didn't get, hey, just let me speak his speed. Nothing. Okay. I didn't even get a fucking deep shadow protocol. Stephen Jay Allman 14 hours ago. This show knows what it's doing with hashtag Harrison Dula. Don't put me in jail. Lockup Faloni. He did this isn't the fucking energy that you had last episode, Steve. That's not the energy that the episode had last week either. Are you crazy? It was egregious this episode. Are you?

Are you? Steve, this is the problem. You take reality and you bend it to your will. Just like a white man does. The whole thing, bro. They've been doing it the whole season. Not like this. Not like this.

Not like this. Steve. Steve. Steve. I'm watching Kalika. And we're watching the thing. And Colliego goes, she has a nice ass and the people that make this show know it.

They've been doing it the whole time. What episode was that? And what episode did she say that on? The, bro, the beginning, it's like, oh, wow. Like, the whole thing, this is, their memes about this. You don't get to remake the fucking reality here. It's not that I'm remaking the reality.

It's just like, by the time episode five rolls around, it's ridiculous. So why was it okay to fucking put me on the fucking steak, like I'm a horny gremlin last episode? and after I take all of the fucking bullets for you, you come out here horny on Maine. This isn't me talking about me needing to go to horny jail. This is Dave Filoni needing to go to horny jail.

He knew what the shot list was that day. He knew who was on the call sheet. Oh, my God. This is the return of the sactivist. So now it's the return of the sactivist. So now it's actually not about the fact that you can't stop looking at her. It's about the fact. that they are shooting her in a way that you feel like is objectifying her.

See what I'm talking about with these sacked of his games? Guess what? Midnight grievance sustained. I vote that this grievance is sustained against Steve. Jomey, how do you vote on this midnight grievance? So I think what happened was, so we went to the Spotify screening room and we watched the episode. And so it's on like, you know, normally like we like watching on a, you know, television screen, however big. But this was on like a like, you know, legitimate theater screen.

So you're thirsty with other Spotify employees. No, no, no, no. It's only a couple of us. Let's describe the scene here. It's me in the front row. Joe me three rows back for me. Steve was dead ass in the front. Can I be honest with you guys?

Do you guys know how fucking perverted you're making this scene? Like it's so bad right now. You're in a dark room. with this whole thing and you're watching it. And it's everybody in there. Like you watched it alone and you couldn't, you're making it worse.

Here's what I'm, look, here's what it was. Steve was up there front row, big screen by himself. And if that's the first thing you thought of, Steve, I saw you. I got a side of your briefness, man.

I was like, this is getting ridiculous. And you're like, uh-huh. I was like, man. Gosh. See, the two of you are cowards.

The fucking Mint boys are fucking cowards. Just say y'all are looking and let's leave it. And let's get to the episode. So do you vote yes or no for the grievance? I vote yes. Yeah. Oh, 3 to 1. Grievance sustained.

Thank you so much. Justice has been served. Three to one grievance sustained. What do you mean justice has been served? You just got a grievance upheld against you. Now, if you get to five grievances by the end of the year, by the end of the year, we're going to decide what to go. And these are not transgressions.

Transgressions are going too far. grievances are actual subversions of the midnight boys culture and Steve you did it you turned your back on Charles and then the next day you got even more horny in your own rated ex-theater with Jomey okay it's fine it was taxi driver you were just in that theater thirsting and then and then I should I should actually file an extra grievance for you try to blame Dave for this I blame him I play his fucking body on the tracks. Yes. All right.

Can we get to a program and reminders of your life. Tend his in? This Friday, Min Edition will be discussing Harley Quinn season four. Very funny show. Funny show, violence, sexual show. Hall of Quinn, great show.

They'll be into that. Friday, House of R. We'll be giving you their deep dive into Asoka, episode five. We did a beloved, beloved, beloved, lovely draft on the House of R yesterday. Who won? Who won?

I did a George draft. I'm not sure who won. I don't know if anybody is, but. Do you know off top? Do you know off top the teams? Wait, actually, don't spoil it. I'm going to listen to it. Yeah, like, it was very fun.

Steve was there, and he brings a different energy when he's on there with Mal and Joe. It's not. Best behavior. He's not a real sick of out. Well, it's not my show. I'm not on Mike like that. He's not a real sicko like he is on the midnight boys, but it's a best. Yeah.

Yeah, it's, it's. It's Steve kind of code switching. He co-switches. He has his NPR voice songs. First of all. And just to know that they have you a goddamn sativist piece of, all right. And on Monday, Buttonmash returns to discuss Moral Combat, Spider-Man, and the biggest games of October. It's on Buttonmash.

All right. Me and Steve talked about video games that we liked. We came to a house on Sunday. we talked about, was it Shadow of the Colossus? Shadow the Colossus, Bioshock, some of the greatest video games of all time. I suggested something that they should maybe do on Bud and MASH was the greatest video games

of all time situation. But I'd like to see what they think. I would like to see what Ben and Jess think about greatest video games of all time. On today's show, oh my God, cooking with grease. Greece is the word. It's the word.

We're going in between worlds. And we're going to be talking about episode five of Asoka, titled Shadow Warrior. All right, now look, here's the deal. You guys were about to get into episode five. Everybody's talking about it. And we're going to spoil some stuff. Everything up to Star Wars to this point.

And maybe some stuff that you didn't read or you didn't watch because we can't be sure how much of this foundational work that you guys have done to even understand what's going on in this episode. So you haven't done it and you're going back. You're watching Rebels. You're watching Clone Wars. We might ruin some of that stuff for you. It might get spoiled.

Steve, give me that spoiler warning. Now, we're getting ready to talk about Assoca. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, before we get into our reactions to this episode, we have to put you in the need to know. And the only way to do that is by Chuck giving you the Midnight Manifest. Chuck, take it away.

All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for Asoka, Shadow Warrior, directed and written by Dathlone. Asoka wakes up in the world between worlds to find Anakin who says she needs to finish her training. Anakin tells Asoka that she needs to choose whether she wants to live or die. After a brief lightsaber duel, Assoc is transported back to one of her first missions with Anakin during the Clone Wars. Assoc is overwhelmed by the brutality of warfare and argues with Anakin about why he's being so cavalier, about all the atrocity that's happening around them. Meanwhile, on Cedos, Jason can hear Asoka and Anakin's lightsabers through his connection to the force.

Then, Hara and her squadron investigate the seas looking for any trace of Asoka. Back in the world between worlds, Asoka has another vision where Anakin is at the siege of Mandelor for the first time. After more back and forth between Master and Apprentice, Anakin turns to the dark side. But through Asoka embracing life, she finds the will to defeat the guilt tied to her time with Anakin, which is when she's rescued by Hera and her team. When she wakes up, she realizes the pergals are the way she will find Ezra and Thrawn. And then after communicating with the giant pergul,

Asoka and Wang fly into its mouth so they could travel to this new galaxy and that has been your midnight manifest for Asoka, Shadow Warrior. All right, let's do it. Chuck, episode five, shadow warrior. Before we get into, like, my first thoughts on that episode, can I get, like, a micro? Because I just, like, I just want to talk about Hayden and Anakin real quick.

Sure. It was really emotional watching him on screen. It was, like, I didn't realize how weird. it would be because I think I grew up on those prequels. And when I was a kid, I was in elementary school. I wasn't wrapped up in the, are the sequels bad or are the sequels not? It was just like, Anakin, Hayden, this is fucking dope. It's not until I was like older and I'd seen more movies where I'm just like, oh, okay, I can see why people are mad.

But having watched Clone Wars and rebels and gone on this journey and read about everything that Hayden had gone through, with all of like the hatred and the vitriol, it was really, really, really emotional seeing him again on screen. And I think he was done a disservice in the prequels because he basically has like two movies to share this massive journey of who Anakin is going from this petulant child

to this war hero to Darth Vader. And this was like watching him at this age get the chance to, reclaim this character, add so much nuance to it. I don't even know if he could have pulled this off at any other age. There was just, there was this look in his eyes and there was just so much. It was, did you have a similar experience, fan of watching? It just felt, it felt so good seeing this version of him on screen.

I didn't know that I would have that feeling watching it. Um, in many ways, the character of Anakin Skywalker never came into his own. Yeah. The stories were, uh, inconsistent. Like you said, some of the growth was disjointed. Um, if you are a complete lorehead, then you know that there's a lot of supplemental material that rounds out what Anakin went through, who Anakin was and what he became. You know that.

But if you're strictly going by what's on. on screen and live action particularly, then you know that there sometimes didn't seem like there was a lot of meat on the bone for him. All right? I love Revenge of the Sith. I think that's probably the best that you have to offer when it comes to Anakin.

I do. But there was a toll that that movie took, not as much on Yore McGregor and on Natalie Portman, but on Hayden Christian. for sure. Oh, he took the brunt of that. Sure, sure.

Of that anger. And he, he wore that, right? He wore a lot of people's angst and judgments and negative feelings about the prequels. And, you know, he went on to have a career, a pretty decent career.

You know, he had chances. He had other things that he was in. He had other stuff that he was doing. But he's still a relatively young man. and to come full circle here with people that are, and this is no shot at George Lucas or the team behind the prequels, people that are in a better rhythm with Star Wars.

Star Wars itself is in a better rhythm right now than it was then. They were restarting something to a degree. And the seeing them come full circle with the character is very moving. It's very moving for us, and it's also very moving for Anakin Skywalker himself. We always litigate what a Skywalker, Walker, the family, Anakin himself, what it means to the lore. But there are parts of me that still feel like we haven't really touched the anguish of what that betrayal meant to all the people around him

and what it meant to Canobi, what it meant to Asoka, what it meant to the people that loved and believed in him, and what it really meant to him. You know, we really looked. at a lot of this stuff originally through Luke's eyes. So to see all of this stuff and all of this lore come back to a place where we can grab onto it and to see Hayden be so charismatic, so awesome, and so alive, they brought the character, they brought Anakin Skywalker back to life. There wasn't a, it wasn't a zombie version of them. It was a living, breathing portrayal of them, and it was awesome.

And it did feel great. And it does feel great. It felt great to be there and to see her have to go through that, you know. We all know how everything went down. I've seen it. Watch Clone Wars, watch Rebels. But at the same time, watching those two people share emotion in the world between worlds and watch them relitigate some things and seeing that.

Damn it. See, you didn't have that swashbuckling, like, adventurer energy, that charm. It was just, I was very, very. like jolted, I was like, oh, wait, we never did get this in live action. Like, you watch a lot of Clone Wars, you read a lot of stuff. But it was this, I was like, oh, shit. Like, this was always in him. So, yeah, I just, I know we have to talk about the, how we thought about the episode as a whole.

But it's like, I can't divorce the episode from my feelings of being like, we finally got Hayden doing the thing that we always wished that he was able to do, especially once Clone Wars gave us an Anakin that is more charismatic, more of a hero, and someone where you're like, oh, this is why the fall to Darth Vader is so impactful. And this was also the first episode where I felt like, this is the Asoka show. Like, this is what they were building towards.

I was like, no, this is a journey that not only I can get behind, but it shows you that there's more meat and story to tell with Asoka. and yeah, I just, yeah, it was wild. It was wild seeing them. It was wild seeing them duel. It was wild seeing the Clone Wars. I was very just, it was a very, like it was a nostalgia bomb in ways that were both compelling, confounding, and just, yeah. So look, the interesting thing about the episode, and we can have a member Barry's conversation about the episode and about how much of the emotional work, the immersive emotional work, should I say?

is being done by things that we always wish that we had wanted to see, and how that buttresses up against progressing and evolving this particular story. We can have that conversation. But at the same time, like for me, if you love Star Wars, and if you know the story of Star Wars, not the plot of Star Wars, if you know the story of it, if you know everything that happened, then you had to love

the way that the last episode ended in this episode started. And it's okay to say that. It's okay to say, you know what, man, just seeing him back on screen, looking great. The deaging at the end of the episode

last week was a little whatever. He looked perfect in this episode. Perfectly fine. The deaging this episode was not as bad as last. I don't even know if they did it. It didn't even seem like they did it. You know what I mean? Or if they really did do it, I didn't even notice it.

I could, I could sense it, but it was not, it did not take me out of the story in the same way. Like, last episode was like, I was like, oh, shit. What do you mean you could sense it? Who are you, fucking Jason? You could sense it. You get old. That is my nitpick. What?

Hera? Hera? You dated. You dated and copulated with a, with a Jedi. Stop asking, being like, Jason is feeling stuff. What? I'm just like he has the force. Like, what are we?

I feel like to be, I feel, I feel, I feel like to be honest with you, she kind of, she let him rock a little bit. No, she gave him a clear out. But in the beginning, she's like, what do you mean? You're hearing things in the waves. I'm like, Hera, this, this kid has force powers. I don't know what to tell you. Why are you having surprised?

All right. So we did, we did our little, our entire little back and forth about Hayden. I want to get, before we throw it over to the men, boy. I want to get a reaction to you from episode five, how you felt. I think I'm still really processing my emotions about it. And it's not, you know, like, this was a terrible episode or this was a great episode. It was more so, this felt like an episode that was the convergence of everything that Dave Bologna, the journey that he's been on, from the hated, animated movie where everybody

couldn't stand Asoka to them finding a rhythm with Clone Wars and building this world around something that we had heard of that had the emotion and the depth and the pain of what a war story should entail. And it continues on with rebels. So it was interesting where you're just like, this almost kind of in a weird way to me felt like a rapper's third album, where it's just like when Kanye gets a graduation or Drake gets and nothing was the same, this is like the, okay, everything has been building to this moment. And this episode definitely felt like Faloni being like, I can finally, like, emotionally canonize my version of the Clone Wars.

Seeing Asoka as a child soldier was riveting in a way that I was like, oh, she was like legit a child. Like you can see it on the cartoon, but there's a level of them just like, this is cartoons, there's not blood, there's not anything. Seeing Asoka afraid and be like, Anakin, this isn't a joke, why are you laughing? And then her going back to like fucking killing the enemies, I was like, this is fucking wild.

It's, it is still something, yes, I'm trying to like wrap my head around how ambitious and big this episode felt for my journey with Dave Filoni, if that makes any sense. And my journey from the prequels to Clone Wars, and rebels to mando through Asoka. I was like, this is a man who has been working towards this all his life. And I'm still like, I have to watch the episode a couple more times to really kind of center how I felt about it. But leaving it, I felt, yeah, it did feel good about a lot of the things that happened

in this episode. Am I, like, I'm not trying to sound negative at all. It was just, I, am I making sense, Van, in terms of, like, me trying to, like, emotionally and mentally like wrap around how much shit was in this episode. Not really. Not really. But I get it.

And this is what I'll say. I loved it, right? Yeah. I loved it. It was the single most unique episode of Star Wars television I've ever seen. Because it was

way too big for TV. That is a very, In a short way, you got to what I was trying to get to where I was like, this is, he's taken the biggest bite of the apple thus far in terms of like, I was like, oh shit, they're doing it. And so that's the thing. I loved it.

I thought it was fantastic. But coming away from it, I was thinking to myself, this is people getting exactly what they say they wanted. a big, wondrous, deep exploration of not only the story that we're telling, but the world that we love.

And we've been saying for a long time, if we can't do this on television, then we should stop trying. If the TV shows are going to be relegated to being these small little hors d'oeuvres of content, then let them be that. Like, serve us to finger food and we'll adjust.

But if you're telling us they're going to be important that make them feel big, this is the quintessential example of that happening. The quintessential example of that. Andor, and this is the last time you'll hear me bring up and or, but I'm just, I have to bring it up here. It's not a lore exploration. It is in many ways a very intimate story, right, of one guy and his struggle and the beginnings of a rebel.

So in a lot of ways, it has to do less work than something like this does. We have to explore the world between worlds. We have to explore the force. We have to explore the dark side of the force. We have to explore galaxies that we haven't seen in live action yet. We have to explore missing characters. We have to get with space. There's a lot that's happening and it's grounded in the lore that particularly Dave Faloni has created.

And people have been saying that they want that. And this episode is the litmus test about whether or not you really do. Because it is a big, fucking, ambitious pile of Star War. And I ate it up with my motherfucking hands, baby. I am numn-n-n-n-n-j. Give me the Star War. Watching the Clone Wars flashbacks, I did have that feeling of being like, there wasn't that much of it.

And I was just like, immediately, it probably did the wrong thing where I was just like, I just got to wish this whole episode. I'm now fascinated with, when you see Rex, when you see all this stuff, I'm just like, oh, to your point,

I'm like, oh, we're finally getting live action in Clone Wars? And then it's over. And I'm just like, oh, okay, this is still the Asoka show. They still need to find Ezra. They still need to find Thron. And that's probably why, like,

there's two sides of my brain kind of like bouncing back and forth because I never thought we would really get this. And now that we did, I was just like, I am very interested in seeing live action Hayden and this little Asoka and how grisly this war looks. Because, yeah, Osaka was fucking shit up. And I was just like, you're too young for this. You're too young of a soul.

Man, boys, what you got? This is where the fun begins. I thought this episode was really, really good. I mean, it's not perfect, but I can't get over the Hayden of it all. think, I mean, I don't even think this is definitely the best performance we've ever gotten from him in Star Wars. And it just goes to show how, like, man, like a little more meat on the bones than prequets could have been special, man. You know what I'm saying? A little, little, little, we tweaking a little something, some, and we could have got some, some that means a lot, but not, man.

Hayden was great. I think the, I mean, y'all know how I felt about the prognals. I think the scene at the end with Asoka and, you know, them getting like Jonah'd off to wherever they're going was pretty good. But yeah, no, like a fantastic episode of television for all the reasons that you guys have talked about before. And yeah, man, like the deep, them going back and yeah, sure, the flashbacks weren't animated. Ha, ha, ha. But that bit of the episode, like meant a lot for who Asoka is and who she's become. And I think that that's awesome and incredible.

And yeah, Dave Flan, really knocked it out of the park with this one. Well, wait, wait a second, though. The flashbacks weren't animated. So what are you saying? So, I mean, what, like, like, Did that ding it for you, Jomey? Jomey, did you want to see them flashback to cartoons

while we were in live back to Jomemy? This comes back to the first episode that we did. No. What was really great was, and I said this in a moment, like, shorter Anakin had the same, and the short area had to fit, you know what I'm saying,

from the early seasons of Clone Wars were like, eh, I don't really, I don't really know. But then, like, when they go back and season of the siege of Maddnor, they look back to, like, the season four, season five look, and you're like, all right, we're cooking again.

Like, it was, it was, the attention of detail was awesome. And then hearing Rex, you know, that was pretty cool. Yeah, like, all that stuff was awesome. Like, really rocked it. Steve. This episode is fascinating. I kind of agree with you, Van,

where like there's a lot that this episode bit off. And it is sticking with me in kind of the biggest ways of like, I'm looking down the barrel of like what Star Wars means now. Because like Charles said, this is kind of the, this for now is the pinnacle of what Dave Filoni has been working towards to, like, Clone Wars, the animated show has been canon, quote, on hard quotes for like as long as it's been here. Like, they didn't get rid of that.

But as far as like, but as far as ushering that and validating it into a live action mass market for all to see product, this is its essential debut. And to bring all of those ideas forward in a way that an audience that is not familiar with it entirely, it has to be kind of masterful in how he does that. And I think that it actually is perfect because as I think about this more, I agree with everybody's praise of Anakin with all of this. But again, it's Asoka's name on this show.

At the end of the day, I keep finding myself thinking about how this is actually kind of an affirmation about all of like the things that the Last Jedi would talk about. Legacy in Star Wars, ebbs and flows in the force and good and evil. And the decisions that Soca makes and thinks about in the world between worlds actually are a tapestry. of all of the emotions that all three sequel trilogies, all three trilogies of Star Wars have had. And I think it's kind of incredible. I need to shout out Anna Greenblatt, who portrayed Nasoka in this

because she did a phenomenal job. Young Gamora, young Gamora, young Gamora, in Barbie as well, like incredible acting in this episode from her. And to portray exactly what she needed to do in front of Hayden, who was cooking with Greece the entire time, it's absolutely phenomenal.

We'll get to like those smaller moments, but I think that this is actually like kind of a big emotional cornerstone in all of the canon of Star Wars. I might be the highest I've ever been on this. I mean, I will say if I have something like I did very much love, this episode, they started with the,

I think it was last episode of the episode before where Huyang is basically like, your line of, your line of Jedi, well fucked up. And this episode was, they actually like delved into it where when Anakin is describing like, yeah, I had a mentor, we were peacekeepers. Now I need to teach you how to be a soldier. And thematically what that means in terms of like when Asoka basically becomes Asoka the white, when we see her in the same garb that she has at the end of rebels, it was so interesting seeing I'm like, oh, okay,

these first five episodes were about Asoka almost having to deprogram herself. from what her master had taught her, where Anakin is trying to teach her how to survive during war, how to get mission accomplishment done. And it was like interesting where I was like, oh, she was not built for that in the way that he was.

Like this actually made me start going back to like the Phantom Menace. And I'm like, we forget. Not only was Anakin a slave, the minute he is freed, he's basically a child soldier. He has to jump in a ship and he has to save the galaxy.

And then in the second one, he's like a soldier who's like killing a bunch of people but also seems at home. And it was, it did so much for me seeing a very live, a young live action, Asoka not being built for it in that way and almost seeing the horror of war for the first time

in a way that Anakin had almost staled his heart against it. I think it did way, it did so much for me about understanding why they wanted to make this show about Asso. in 2023. And that's what I, I was like, this is what I needed to see.

And that's what I really loved. So the episode to me is essential, right? It's essential because of the questions that it's asking us about Asoka through the evolution of her character. Okay. So we go back, we're starting here.

She's in the world between worlds. She just lost the fight. She just lost a fight to the fantastic bailin. We didn't even see Baylon. Baylon. Baylon's somewhere off right now. he's he's doing squats with better form than me helping shin bleach your roots

I mean compared compared to how her and Anakin were going at it I'm like Asoka why don't you have so much trouble with bailing that motherfucker was moving a lot smaller than It's different Anakin Anakin probably could have ended that motherfucker Yeah you know they've been

Oh so she's seen Anakin's move She's like I'm familiar with your game Also she got distracted True true She got distracted There's a lot in her heart At that moment. But if we really think about Asoka and where she is right now, she's juggling a lot of different things.

She's trying to prevent a war. She's trying to train a Padawan. She's trying to find a friend. So these are three things that test every single different aspect of who Asoka is as a character. The traditional version of Asoka is the one that would take a Padawan and continue the legacy of the G. Jedi. That's been going on for thousands and thousands of years. You take a Padawan, you continue the legacy of the Jedi, you make sure that the Jedi order and the traditions that they've upheld for X amount of generations, that those things continue.

Okay. You are also a soldier, a soldier that's been in war, a soldier that has seen what happens in war, a soldier that has lost friends in war, a soldier that has watched friends turn on her in war. A soldier that as far a war didn't realize that that war was a sham. Asoka is essentially like a lot of our brothers and sisters that came back from Vietnam and then had these gigantic questions about what warfare means, what putting your body on the line means for people that have their own political, ideals in mind.

You come back and you fought all of this time, you saw all of this stuff, you come back to a dystopian society, and you realize that you weren't fighting for the reason that you thought that you were fighting. Osok was also dealing with that. She's not that much different than that guy that we saw. I can't remember what show it was. Now, I think it was the Mandalorian, that clone that was displaced. He was unhoused and he was sitting there.

And you're like, you know, the clothes. Oh, and Obi-Won. Yeah. Obie wants and he sees the homeless clone trope. She's scarred in that same way. And then you have the Asoka that is, so that Osoka right there

is trying to stave off another war. She knows what that means. She doesn't want to see that happen. So she's still fighting in a war by trying to prevent a war. And then you have the Osokka that just wants to go find a friend. That comes a little bit

from what she knows of Skywalker. The Skywalker lineage is these people that learn all of this stuff but you put their friends in danger and they say, fuck it, I'm going to get my pals. Right? They didn't come up as traditional Jedi.

They weren't trained to disconnect. Connection is intertwined with who they are. Connection for some of these Skywalker's, it's the reason why they want to become Jedi. I want to become a Jedi, not so I can go out there and save the galaxy. I want to become a Jedi if I'm a little Anakin Skywalker Skywalker so I can come back here and free all the slaves.

He said it, and they told him he couldn't do it. comes back. His mom is dead. He kills everybody, including the children. Batman goes, not a big deal. I know he's just

killed 30 people. If we got like an Anakin unchained where he does go back to the plantation with the lightsaber, like that's a good movie. Or even a dream sequence

where he goes back and he just cuts up everybody. Are you talking about that scene in Django? Yeah. Anakin Unchained. That's a good movie. See, this is the type of shit that me and Charles would make.

And it's the type of shit that would make money. Just adding you just killing up the whole thing. It's funny. So when you look at all those aspects of who she is, and when you think about them, this episode puts her right in the middle of coming to terms of all of that. Coming to terms with whether or not she's a warrior, whether or not she's a friend,

whether or not she's an apprentice. like having to deal with the fact that the things that she has put faith in have only led her to more confusion. She's put faith in being a soldier, hasn't answered any questions. She put faith in being an apprentice, hasn't answered any questions. She put faith in being a Jedi, hasn't answered any questions. She is still on this journey to try to find answers. And where this journey is going to take her is going to have a,

lot to do with how she confronts her past. And that's to me what this is about, confronting the fact that this person that she loved turned into this terrible, terrible, terrible tyrant coming to terms with the fact that she, that Sabine once again is in a situation

where she betrayed her. And you see in this episode, the reason why I love it so much, you see Asoka get her mojo back. You, like she comes out of herself, a little bit. She is now super inspired to go someplace, not just out of duty, not just out of fear, but out of a sense of adventure and ambition to go get questions answered. She's here for it. And that was something that I think was purposefully done. I think the first two episodes where I,

myself was complaining about her portrayal of the character, I now know that she was being a little sullen by design. Like, there's a part in the flashback where Anakin makes a joke. She's like, bro, what are you doing?

Why are you joking right now? Yeah. He's like, do you see, like, what's going on around us? You know what I mean? Like, do you understand what's going on? In order to, like, you know, keep myself upright, to keep make sure that I'm on the strain level. I'm going to do me, right? And I'm going to continue to make these jokes and get these things off.

We have to realize that, like, in times like these, in these dark moments, we have to think about ourselves and how, you know, we stay up. And despite the fact that, you know, I grew up as a peace, you know, peacekeeper, I got to teach me to war. I got to teach me a warrior. It's difficult, but we have to make do what we got. I thought that, I thought the scene was excellent. Wait, but wasn't Anakin?

Wasn't Anakin teaching her the wrong lesson in that moment? What I loved about it is because it's the perfect lesson that applies to Anakin that makes sense to him. Because of how he came up, because of what he has been through, all that he knew and why he relishes in war is because his strength and his determination and his has gotten him as far as that he has. when he's, you know, reveling in battles and teaching Asoka that this is fine, like, you're going to be great. And his confidence carries him forward. That's when she's scared of him. That's when she sees that image of Darth Vader to see what he will become.

Her perception of him, and this is the biggest, like, moment for me in this whole episode and what made me think about The Last Jedi so much is when he is imparting to her that you're part of this legacy. You are part of this knowledge and growth from my master to his master and his master to go forward. And we will defend and we will fight and we will protect all of these things.

And his lesson at the beginning is live or die and she only sees death when she looks at that lesson from him. And he can't understand that. And he never will because he obviously becomes what he becomes. live or die, man. Exactly. Both of these Jedi have been

failed by the institutions and systems that brought them up. Somewhat by Anakin's fault in the terms of Asoka, but everything in terms of Anakin, the Jedi order, Obi-Wan, every lesson that brought him through to the Clone Wars.

The reason that Assoca walks away is because You think Kobe won? You think Canobi failed Anakin Skywalker? He admits that he did. There's something? I have failed. right again. Yeah. There's something that happens in this episode that I

think does point to that. So I'll be honest with you. I personally think that's akin to your parents saying, now this is a good little thread to pull on right here. Like, you know when you do something wrong and your parents go, I failed you, I didn't, I didn't

raise you. It's both an indictment of themselves, but really it's a guilt trip. The failure, the failure in terms of of Anakin Skywalker was to take him as an apprentice in the first place. Sure. It was, there's, there's, it couldn't have gone anyway.

Many mistakes were made. He was, he was always going to do exactly what he did. But, but to be clear, what did, because what bothers Asoka? Like, one of the jokes that bothers Assoca, and this happened in like the first fucking movie is that Anakin does not want Asoka around. He looks at her like an annoyance. He's just like, I don't want a fucking Paduan. And Obi-Wan in Phantom Menace is like, looks at Anakin like less than a bug.

He's just like, why are we fucking like around with this kid? Get him away from me. And it was like an interesting, when we see Luke in The Last Jedi, he does not want to take on right. It is this very interesting lineage of Skywalker's who want connection and emotion and want to be a part of something bigger. But the moment that they have to pass that on to someone or to the next generation, they freeze up and almost make these children feel so unwanted. And of course, Anakin and Asoka get over that. But it was interesting that, like, it was that moment where Asoka's just like,

not only is he joking about this, but I don't think he wants me as a Padawan. And like, because it's interesting that like Asoka's doing the same thing to Sabine, where it doesn't seem like she wants her around either. Because every single Skywalker is a poor candidate for Jedihood. every single one. Whoa. To know that while this is happening, Luke is sipping a margarita on an island somewhere,

not doing anything. So every single one of them, the Jedi had, first of all, we all have our problems with the Jedi order, right? We all do. But the Jedi were around for thousands and thousands of years. And they were around for all of that time

because they had very specific way of doing things. They understood the danger of the dark side. they understood how you could be corrupted by connection and all of that stuff, right? They got that. That was a thing. They needed you to come in young. They needed you to have a sense of duty. Now, what happened with the Jedi, we've discussed this before, is that they stopped

worshipping and living their lives by the will of the force, and they started worshipping and living their lives by the will of the people. My allegiance is democracy. That's actually a statement. that Obi-Wan Kenobi should not be making. So you're saying we need the church in government now? No, what I'm saying is that, like, Quigong Jin was, he was a Padawan to different Jedi, but he also, like, submitted to the will of the living force.

The will of the living force is what a Jedi really should be promoting the will of the force. I think that's why the council disliked him so much, because he, at that point, they looked at him like he was insane because they had become bureaucrats. They had essentially because, yeah, right. Now, having said that, you know, Luke becomes a Jedi, the power, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

guy that's, they don't have to happen. Luke becomes a Jedi when he's, like, 17 or 18 years old. He starts his training, right? That's, the minute Yoda trains him, and he gets enough power where he feels like he can save his friends, he looks like, literally that's what the Skywalker's do. Every single time. They always have a reason. They always have a reason other than,

other than the will of the force or being one with the force. They have a much different learning curve than other Jedi do. And that's partly because their talent means that it takes less to train them. By the time we get to Ray, you didn't have to train her at all.

Like, you know what I mean? She just, their talent means that they, that it takes less to train them. So, you know, even when comparing what the Skywalker's did to the Jedi, you have to look at it to me in its totality. So when I look at Asoka, Asoka was given a more traditional Jedi experience. But then she ran into a non-traditional Jedi who never cared about the customs, who never cared about the history, who never cared about any of that. He cared about very specific. things which we're helping and he's training her on the battle it's not like he's like this is normal just

keep up and i'm just like anakin do not train a fucking padawan on like and they didn't have a choice this was a war i get it but i'm like no wonder she is so like what you described earlier as like wooden like the asoka that we get i'm like okay rosario's betrayal makes sense because this is an adult where the trauma finally catches up to them and it's just like oh I've been fighting my entire life. And this revelation that she comes to at the end when Anakin imparts that lesson of legacy and this pattern of masters and apprentices

and fighting and living and dying and protecting, she rejects it. A, she doesn't want to subscribe to that. And B, she knows that it's not about becoming your master. It is about growing past your master. like what happens in The Last Jedi when Yoda says to Luke What the fuck is on?

What are you on with the last? Let him cook. Let's fucking Steve. It's because Asoka's realizing that this is a cycle that she needs to break. This isn't about wanting to be a part of a thing that you need to teach

the exact same lessons or the exact same types of indoctrinating things that bring us eventually to war because that conflict will ebb and flow. she has to break away from it. It's why she walked away from Anakin and it's why she finally feels good

about that decision so often later because she's finally reckoning with the idea and her perception of Anakin. This isn't actually Anakin she's interacting with. She's just like imagining and perceiving how he can possibly interact with her. I took it as she was fighting herself. She is fighting a vision of,

she's fighting her internal vision of who Anakin was and who she needed him to be. I didn't view this as this is. actually an Anakin force goes through. She's, to me, she's fighting her guilt. Yes. She's fighting the, she's fighting

the fact that there's a part of her that believes that had she not left, then he would have never succumbed to the dark side. Exactly. And she knows now that this is part of that cycle. She'd have been dead.

And so, and so, she's fighting with the fact that there was a failure there, and she's letting it go. And really, he frees her. The choice to live is always the choice to move on. Like anytime, the choice to live, the choice to get over grief, the choice to get over failure is always to move on.

When you say I choose to live, live, you're saying I choose to forgive, I choose to move on, I choose to have a new adventure. And that's what she chose. And so to me, you know, I actually disagree with a lot of the stuff in the last Jedi. I understand. But I think that that lesson that Yoda gives is reflected here. Yeah, I personally think that if we want to start blaming people for the end of the Jedi, I love the Jedi.

We can blame the Skywalker's because it wasn't until they came around. They're like Rick's people in Walking Dead. Yeah, you love them, but you know when they show up somewhere, people are going to die. You know, Jones, you have something down. The best thing you can do is walk away from a Skywalker. Right. Well, I mean, and Asoka does that. Like, there's a scene at the siege of Mandelor, and Atkins is like, I've never been here before.

What's going on? He's like, look, this is what became of me. Like, I'm a fighter. It's what I do. You taught me that. He's like, did I teach you that, though? You know what I'm saying? He's like, yeah.

I'm just like you and he's like and the talk is like yeah we're the same except that you're super dangerous my guy and he's like are you still on that like are we still like you haven't learned anything and I think that that that that seems like so so important

I really I really love this episode guys we can't tell that scene is so important because it's to be it's what it means what you guys were talking about and it's the realization you know her mentally going like Like, look, this dude, no matter what I could have done, whether I was there or not, he was always going to become this. Okay? There's nothing I could have done.

It was his destiny. It was his destiny. Yeah. Okay. So at this point right now, I got to let go. I got to live. Also, the scene is kind of tight because she's like, he's like, the redire. She's like, I can't make the decision.

He's like, incorrect. I'm like, oh, let's go. You feel to go crazy. You're going to spas. I am not a sports fan. Y'all know I'm not a sports fan at all. But the vibe I was getting from Hayden's betrayal when he starts to turn dark, I was just like, this is like watching Tom Brady when he was in the midst of like a divorce.

And I'm like, just the look, I was just like, oh, Anakin's lost everything. And he's so talented. But like, you soldier so long ago to be very talented at this thing. It was like the weirdest because like usually when we see live action Hayden, he's like, I'm evil. and this I was just like there is something sinister behind this talent

and behind these eyes. Even when he's being charming, I'm like... But you know what? He was in control. Like, every time we see him, he's fucking freaking out. You know what I mean? He's just like his grandson. No, I'm just saying the entire the difference between Anakin Skywalker

here in live action at least. And the other live action, Hayden Christensen, like, is he's always losing control. He's always freaking out. He's whining. He's crying. He's like, he's holding me back. But in this situation, there's a wisdom here that makes him seem and a, there's a wisdom and a sincerity that makes him seem even more sinister.

It makes him seem more dangerous because he seems sure. It makes him seem more powerful. This seems like the most powerful. ever. He knows what the fuck he's talking about. Whereas every time, every other time that we see him, he's bitching about something. I mean, but don't you think that's because of

Hayden's, when Hayden was Anakin, that's a very young performance where a lot of young actors they feel like I need to be super big and a moat and I have to basically prove to you that I can act and I have to sell these emotions where this, Hayden, I'm just like, okay,

not only have you lived life, but this is just a more mature, betrayal where you're like, you're more sinister because to your point, then he's so in control. I'm like, I don't know what this motherfucker is. Actually, I think it's how he was written. I think he was written in a very, and that maybe that's the way, look, in order for him to, in order for us to buy it, he was going to kill 100,000 people, kill children,

snap the necks and do all of that stuff. We probably had to believe that he, in some way didn't have control over himself, that he was just this emotional being that the drop of a half flies off the handle and nights and lackstabre and kills a bunch of people. He was that, but in between, we know it, because we watch Clone Wars, he was also something else.

And this is the first time we've seen that on screen, wouldn't you say, Chuck? No, no, I totally agree. I mean, the other thing I want to ask you all about is, like, if we zero in on the Clone Wars of it all. it was fascinating to me because I'm like, that was those two scenes, Siege of Mandelor and one of their first battles. I was like, that was the moment where I'm like,

this is everything that I've ever wanted in Star Wars. And Van, I think you brought it up earlier, where I was just like, oh, they are just biting off so fucking much. Where I was just like, I felt a wave of nostalgia. I was like, this is cool. Like, I just love seeing older Hayden with young. younger Asoka, but there were points where I was just like, this did used to be a cartoon and it is still a cartoon in my mind. And even young Asoka, did young Asoka work for you guys,

not as an actress, but like visually. Because I'm like, I have such a visual representation of young Asoka. It was weird being like, oh, this is like a, this is your young woman now. Like, this is a real flesh. Like, it was, I was jarred almost being like, oh, shit. in a way I wasn't for Hayden because I've seen Hayden. I think it's a bit more of like when you see a cartoon portrayal of what is essentially a 14 or 15 year old girl and then seeing an actual 14 or 15 year old girl play that role, that's like, oh, wow, yeah, no, this is some real shit. Like they were child soldiers for real. That is that is a feeling I had where I was just like, oh, this is, oh, okay. And it took my mind a little bit to switch off that I'm not watching Clone Wars.

I am watching a live action version of Clone Wars, which was super interesting and fascinating. And I honestly just wanted more of it because very smartly, I think they had to keep it moving. But my mind just kept going back. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, keep this scene going a little bit longer. I just wanted to know what was going on. also when young Asoka is holding the trooper's fucking hand and shit and Anakin just comes over. He's like, ah, yada, yada, yeah, come on. And I'm just like, Anakin.

Can you stop, please? Can you be like, Darth Vader? I mean, she's so afraid of becoming him. Like, you know, and it's, it's so apparent throughout this episode or throughout the episode and you watch it back. Like, her whole thing is like, bro, I don't want to become. like this lineage, this whole thing has been terrible for me. And I don't want to continue your legacy, frankly.

He's like, well, tough, tough scene. You're going to have to pick it up. Tough scene, man. Like, I don't know what I mean? Like, I taught you, it is what it is. You just have to choose to move beyond it. You have to choose to move forward and, you know, take the good things and, you know, forget about the bad things.

And it's, yeah, man, what a remarkable episode of time. I will say, in line, action though, I was just like, Anakin, why the fuck are all these troopers just fucking running into the fucking dust? I'm like, can y'all like form up into a formation? I don't, hold on. That was like the, I think that's the best use of the volume I've ever seen because it's like in a dream space. And you're surrounded by like this pink and orange fog and it's kind of like that weird like thing that you see in a play where they just like huddle into like one small space and have their.

little moment and then run off into the mist, I genuinely, like, loved that. And you only see shadows and little, like, parts of big giant war machines and stuff like that. I thought that was perfectly done. I think they kind of made you submit to the fact that you're watching a television show. Sure. And it looked amazing.

Yeah, it's, it's, I mean, I'm saying, it looked great, but it's also, it's also one of the first times where I wasn't like, oh, you know what? I wish this was a movie. I get that this is TV. It felt smaller. It felt intimate. I didn't need, like, a hundred thousand clones. on the screen to make it feel like that.

I wanted it to be centered on these two characters and how they were tethered together. Would you guys think about the lightsaber fighting in this? There's already been some discourse. Oh, which one? I'm talking about the lightsaber battle here between Anakin and Asoka. People can stop bitching.

They finally went back to the prequel speed. Like, Anakin, the way he was wielding that shit, I was just like, God damn. He's so like that. Well, yeah. Hayden is like probably like one of the best on screen like light saber fighters. that Star Wars has.

Like when he brings it up, he brings it up well. I thought it was awesome. I thought the lightsaber fights were great. What's the discourse? I'm curious. He was doing the fucking Anakin twirls. I'm just like,

yeah. Yeah. Like, wait, why are people, why are people complaining about it? I thought it looked good. I thought when they were in the world in between worlds, and they first, when he's not evil,

when he has the blue lightsaber and they're going at it, I did crack a smile. I was just like, we've been debating it, we've been debating it. This is like, I'm like, I knew Faloni would go back to the traditional height of the Jedi. Because I do think if I was being real, for the last couple episodes, I was being like, Asoka should be way stronger than this.

Like, Asoka in terms of just like what she was going up against as a child, she's a prodigy. And this was the first episode where I was just like, when she was fighting against Anakin, I'm like, oh, no, that's, this is why she's so fucking good. What kind of, did you hate the white team or fight, man? Yeah, what's the discourse? There's no discourse. I mean, for me. You just said, wait, wait, wait, wait.

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New sweetgreen wraps hit different. Order now at order.sweetgreen.com. Another part of the episode that I liked is what was happening back on Citos. Because you didn't dig that, Jomey? You didn't dig Jason Sundula and his force powers. And okay, I want to hear.

So, you guys who, you guys wanted to see. Jomi, what notes did you have? You didn't like Jason and the fact that he was able to use his force powers, his abilities to help his mom and everybody else. Find the Soka while the Slap Dick Empire, which is my new name for the Republic. The slap dick. The republic is no longer the republic.

I hate them worse than the empire. It's not even close. Okay. Seriously, like, they're now called the slap dick empire, is that's what they are. Because they don't fucking, they've learned no lessons. Jomey, what were your notes for what was happening back on?

It's mainly one note. You know, I don't know whether it's the writing or just the, the quality of acting. But every time Jason opens his mouth, a little bit of vomit comes out of mine. I'm just like...

God damn, it's a kid. He's a kid. Listen, man, I know it's tough to, like, go from Young Asoka to write that, but... Listen, listen. Listen. Listen. I'm sorry. Show me. Listen. It's not all bad.

I mean, you're not wrong. But that was me. But there's a little bit, but there's like, there's some lines where it's like, gee, golly, Mr. so-and-so.

Like I'm listening like Robin from the 50s. You know what I mean? And it's like, guys, come on. Like,

I understand he's a child, you know, and he's got these force abilities. Like the part where he uses them to find Asoka, great. Fantastic. But when he's like in the,

in the cockpit with his mom, he's like, well, mom, I'm like, bro, like who's in charge here? Mom, where's the space whales going? This is a jet.

Red-Ey starship, golly, gee. There is a little... An anti-pluck agenda. The spunk is out of control. He had some... I will call it more spunk than pluck. See, Pluck always has answers. Pluck thinks they know what they're doing.

Oh, so there's like an arrogance to it that you don't like. Yeah, the thing I don't like about Pluck is... Pluck is like, ah, yeah, I'm flipping. Woo, look at me. Look at me. I can swing. And the pluck, pluck is, pluck has a certain fucking assholeness to it. I don't like pluck.

Pluck comes through like they know what the fuck they're doing. They're plucky, right? I know how I'm a plucky pluck motherfucker, motherfucker. You know, he was more of like a kid, like a kid asking you why the sky is blue. That's not pluck. Not to me. Like he's like, can I train in the thing? No, no.

When he was like, mom, come over here. I'm feeling something. And then there was also this weird life delivery. there was a weird line to agree where he's like, Chopper wants you to go down mom lower lower as low as you can I thought that was fine

but like I suppose I think it's really the scene where they're in the when they're in the ghost together he just like asked her question after question I'm like brother please that's a kid it does and listen I'm so mean Joe me I said this when I first thought

I like every every little bit of audience surrogacy is inside of Jason right now because again, we got, like, the show is kind of conscious about the fact that not many people saw the Clone Wars. And they're like, yeah, my dad, who was a Jedi, who died. They're like, his dad, Canaan Jerris was a great Jedi. But no, I do love when our guys just like, yes, his father had abilities and was a Jedi. And then he's just like, okay. And he just goes to it.

Like, he kind of shrugs that off. I love that. I mean, he shrugs it off because he ain't got no abilities. I know. But, like, also just like, all right, we're going to let the kid, like, I've been running circles around this planet looking for somebody and you're going to rely on a kid. I was like, all right, yeah, fine.

Let's go on the, fire up the engines again. By way, I have a problem with this. I have a problem with this in a grand scheme. Okay? Star Wars, they're Jedi. We know that they're Jedi. You know that they can do stuff. That guy who fought in the Clone Wars,

no actually he probably didn't he fought in the rebellion but even if he fought in the rebellion then he's aware that a wizard helped him win yeah but now he's like been regulated to like a mall cop it don't fucking matter he's aware that a wizard helped them win he's aware that there was a Darth Vader guy

who could choke people and all of that stuff by this point the fact that that little nigger could send somebody in the water it shouldn't be that big of a deal I know that it's a big galaxy, but it shouldn't be that big of a deal that he could send somebody in the water. He's force sensitive.

Fucking deal with it. This happened a couple episodes ago. He was like, Mom, I don't feel well. Something is happening. And I'm like, Hara, you, like, you knew Canaan. Something is happening with the force. She always like, oh, man, just a tummyache. Forget about it.

We got a mission. And I'm like, this kid is a Jedi. Do you think that Hara is using her son as a combatant to find? different shit. Like she's got him because I'm wondering why is she bringing him

on these things but maybe maybe it's like a Levar Ball situation here you know maybe it's a situation to where

she's getting him ready for the big leagues and really using his shit. If she was getting ready for the big league she'd have him training with Asoka like years ago.

Oh. To which she does not want to do. Ezra is his fucking master. How dare you? Okay. I'm just saying like if she knows

he's got skills. anywhere near this kid, considering what the Skywalker line likes to do with their fucking Padawans and the kids their task. Wow, you're saying that it's damaged goods as a master there. They're all shit teachers. Asoka, Luke, fucking Obi-Wan, Anakin, all of them. They're not the greatest teachers. Damn.

Nipick really quick. Kayana Jerez had some tough love in him too, but, you know. Steve, you can't talk about this next nitpick, but I think this is the first time that we saw Assoca's hairline, like when she wakes up. Oh, yeah. And I was like, dog. I see, she reminded me and me. See, I'm going to start wearing those little things, bro.

I'm going to start wearing one. He's like, I'm a new. Asoka was a black woman. They didn't show her with a rap for the first time. That shit. Her airline was fucked up. I was like, wait a minute. Yo, Charles.

Holy Christ. Are you trying to say that black women had fucked up hairlines? No, I'm saying, have you ever, I met men who have done this. Have you ever, like, had a homeboy who wears a hat, like, really, really, really low? Nigel, of course. Never takes that shit off. Minute he takes that shit off. You're like, God damn, bro.

All the way back. Like, you know, it could be, it could be our kings, it could be our queens. I've seen it. I've had a fucked up hairline before. I was like, dog, we didn't have to do a soka like this because that shit looked terrible. Why'd they take her little thing off? Why? Don't take it off.

It might have been soaked in the water. And then she puts it on five seconds later. Like she doesn't go out the house without it on. She leaves the fucking ship and you see it right back on her head. What do you think of? Dark Anakin here with the red eyes. I want to ask a question. What about the choice not to go fool Vader there?

I actually have a couple. Because it is Vader, right? Because people think that people, no, it's Vader. Because the moment that he turns to the dark side is Darth Vader. He's not cyborg man yet. But he is essentially Vader the moment he's being corrupted. Do you think that was an intentional choice not to go full Vader suit there? Because maybe they've been giving us a little bit too much of that.

I mean, we saw glimpses of Vader, but he's got a red blade. He's corrupted by the dark side. What do you think it did for that scene to leave it as Skywalker, the form of Skywalker, and not fool Vader as we know him with the Vaderness of Vadery Vader stuff? I think logistically, though, if we're being real, I remember watching Obi-Wan and being like, you have Hayden. Why aren't you doing, we got the little Hayden scene when they're training. Like, why wouldn't you do more Clone Wars? Why wouldn't you do more of this? And I'm like, all of these shows are being made around the same time. I think from just like a logistic standpoint, I know Dave Faloni probably put his foot down and it's just like, this is how I want to use Hayden. This is how I want to use Asoka. And I think it was less about, I think, Vader felt like a shadow over Obi-Wan Kenobi. Like that fight, that presence, it was just like, full Vader. We're not getting that much Anakin.

This very much felt like, Faloni being like, I've been waiting my entire life to do this. Emotionally, I do think that we would view this episode differently if we got 50% Vader, 50% Hayden. I don't think it would have worked as well unless you are seeing Asoka fighting a man and not a force of nature, which once the Vader helmet goes on, it's, it is a little hard to feel emotion, like you feel fear, but it's hard to really connect because you're not, you're not seeing a face. And I think that that was intentional from a storytelling standpoint and like, how much more Vader do we need to see, especially after Obi-Wan Kenobi. I was cool with it. Did you want more Vader, though, then?

Not at all. Not all. I thought it was a very intentional choice to leave it where we could see the face of Anakin Skywalker, where we could see evil written all over his face. Vader gives you all of this dread, but no emotion. And that's why the scene at the end of Revenge of the Sith is so hilarious. Like, if that had been his face without his helmet on, it probably would have been a better scene, but he's no. That's why it's so hilarious. You had to see them lock eyes and you had to see.

what the decisions that he made had done to him and how it registered with her. So we can leave that part of it in the world between worlds. Is that the world between worlds? No. It's not, Jomey tells you not. It's clearly like her, I think it's like her imagination,

like a dreamscape. I'd imagine, why could fucking the kid hear the lightsabers then? because he's strong in the force, man. Wait a minute. So he can hear her dreams? This is definitely the world between worlds. It looks like the world between worlds. How does she get in there?

Do you fall in and then fall out? Whoa, so I think that we had the world between worlds all wrong. Where I feel like in rebels, you punk-ass, nigger. They make the world between worlds seem like a space that you need to basically unlock and go to. where this, I think, flips that on its head. And it made the world between worlds almost feel like a spiritual place. It felt like this is where Asoka on the verge of death goes to deal with a spiritual journey.

And it feels like that's what Jason was sensing. He was sensing a spiritual journey and mentally and emotionally what Assoca was going through. And that's what I like about it. because I think what you start talking about, is it time travel? Is it not with the world between worlds? It becomes goofy versus this is a place where people who are strong in the force go

to emotionally, like think about what Ezra. Ezra has to go to the world between worlds to finally realize I need to let Canaan go. I like, he's gone. Okay. You don't think so you don't think it was the wall between worlds though. I think, okay, I think my question is, I paused this last week,

the thing that would, I don't understand how she would, like, she just, like, fall into the water, and she wakes up in a world between the worlds, right? And then she comes back out of the world between worlds inside the water, too? Like, I don't know. Because rebels made it such, like,

a whole thing about how to get in there. That's what I'm saying. The last time we saw it was the whole thing of figuring out how to get into the world between worlds, right? It took Palpatine a lot of power, and it took Ezra, a lot of energy to get there. So now next time we see it,

people are just falling in and out of the world between worlds like it's a Kmart. You know what I'm saying? It's a little different than how we've known the thing. All the time in Star Wars, show me.

What are you talking? I guess. We watched a movie where Luke force projects his entire consciousness across the galaxy to fight his nephew. Like it's like...

Sometimes it's just vibes, all right? It's five. It felt like this is vibes where I don't know how you can. The way I explain it in my mind, Asoka was only underwater for probably a couple minutes. But to her, she was experiencing hours upon hours of this spiritual journey. Yeah, here's what I'll say. Fuck it.

I don't care. We should not. We should not. We're not. We're asking the questions because, you know, there was a discussion about whether or not it the world between worlds. I say yes. It doesn't really matter.

I say yes because Jason could sense it. And he knows. But at the same time, maybe it's not. I tell you what isn't the world between worlds? What's on Citos and going through space? My paleo pals, the pergles. Yeah. Yeah.

So Hera is dealing with the bureaucracy of the Slapdick Empire. known as the new republic. I really wish that the Pergels would have destroyed all their ships. They did not deserve to win. You just wanted them to hold them to maneuver that entire thing? Just the whole deal. There was a mention of Leia there.

Could use maybe some of her help. Okay. Pergles, why do they affect us? Why is... First of all, let's have a conversation about whales. Whales are awesome. Okay, now, it's been known here that I'm the animal expert of this podcast,

I was able to talk about the evolution of whales and be correct. All right, so the pergels. A bunch of pergels. We see them everywhere. And then she chooses a pergul. And then Asoka goes on a special journey to another galaxy.

She communicates with the pergul. Now, we know that Jedi can talk to animals. They can talk to the pergul. Some Jedi. Some Jedi. How did you guys feel about the ending of this episode being pergul based.

By the way, how do you know where you're going when you get on a pergul? Can you use your force abilities to commune with the pergul and tell the pergul where you want to go? Do all the pergul go to the same place every time they jump into hyperspace? I have pergul questions.

I have all the answers. Yeah, we got all the answers. So I think you need to look at the pergol based. like you would, like an animal, where, like, like a dog. You know what I'm saying? Where I think with her force abilities, Asoka, now Soca the White, communing with the force, she can basically communicate that like, hey, like they know like this human is, I mean, this Jedi is friends with Ezra.

Like they can sense that connection and they're like, say less, we'll take you to him. Like I think that Ezra, we know from rebels, he had a very, very intimate relationship. with animals. And I think Asoka, they're like, yo, we know your good people. We know your family. Just hop on board. I don't think the pergles would have known where to go unless they had, unless they have a connection with someone like a Jedi who can without words point them to where they want to go. Does that think it's actually, I think it's simpler than that actually. I think so the map was was based on like the Haberspace lane was based on Pergo migration routes, right? And so, you know, they go to hyperspace and they go from like galaxy,

galaxy, whatever, migrating, kind of like a whale would, right, going from north to south when it gets cold or hot south to north, it gets hot or whatever, right? And so it's kind of like the same thing where, okay, they're going here, you know, because they're following your migration route. Hey, we're going to get in your mouth and follow you to where you going. And hopefully our home is Damn. That was a really weird way. Shit, Jeremy. Did she not get...

Fuck. Did they not get into the whale's mouth? Yes or no? Say what you just said again? You're going to do what? You're going to get in your mouth and do what to you? I'm going to get your mouth. Jesus.

That's what I'm just talking what happened. That's a trans... That's a transgreasy. That's not a transgreasy. That's exactly what happened. That's a transgreasy. Did it so good. And Hugh Yang's not getting into Pergill's mouth.

Oh. What the fuck Jomey? There were ways to say that, bro. There were ways to say that. They got the Pergill's mouth. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you want to say. Just stop saying.

Jomey, it's disrespectful to the Pergul. The Pergul don't look at it like that. I don't need any space speciality. You're a fucking free. Yeah, Jesus. Cracks, Jomey. Two of them in the mouth at the same time? That's some different shit.

That's some kink.com type shit. But the reason I want to push push back on, Jomey, is that in rebels, when the pergals come, they're like, it feels like, oh my God. You see what I'm saying, Charles? Oh, God.

Come on, that. What is happening to this podcast? Bro, why are you guys? When the burglows respectfully arrive. Why are you guys doing this to the pergul? Oh, my Lord. Jesus Christ. When the burgls, when the burgls arrive to save fucking Ezra and they take Ezra and

they're doing their buddy Ezra a job. And even if they're going on migration, like their migration path, they still need a Jedi to be like, hey, you have a connection to Ezra. Like this is like here's your here's your bus stop. You know what I mean? I liken it to like when you get you give a dog. somebody's shoe and you're like, okay, you got the scent boy, go find that thing. Yeah. That's basically what she did. Also, can we hit your ride? All right, so a little bit about the future here.

Robust podcast we're doing. All right. Now we're on our journey. We got three episodes left. We got six, seven, and eight. We had talked about Thron. We had talked about Ezra. Now, let's be honest about some things.

The show has done a fantastic job of making the appearance of those two characters. not quite as essential as we once thought that it was. Okay. They've hit us with what I would say are three bangers in a row. You guys might say two. Charles might say one and a half. Why would I say one and a half? I don't know.

I need you on board right now. Do you love this episode? Yes or no. Wait, do I like this episode? Do you love it? Make a decision. I thought it was a good episode. There you go.

Okay, so two bangers in a row. I do expect the next episode. to see Graham Grand Admiral Thron. Don't do this. Don't do this. I just, I don't want to do it. Van, can we please?

We've been very positive. I'm not writing the show. I'm not writing the show. I'm against writing the show. But it does in a way seem like five is a mid-season repilot. And a lot of good shows do this. You know, they exist in two or three episode arcs.

All right. And you get to a point where something happens, and now the show is essentially embarking on a new adventure, the culmination of which will end the season of the show. It seems like now we're to a point in the show where the villain of this part of it probably will be Grand Admiral Thron. I wouldn't be surprised we don't see Grand Admiral Throne until the last episode. Okay. I think that could work.

Actually, I was skeptical about that before, but honestly, I think that they could actually pull that off now. I think that they could. Do you think we're getting a second season at this point? Because now I'm like, this does not seem like it can be a complete story without a second season. I think this will be the movie. But when is that movie coming out again? Yeah, that's the problem. Well, we still have to get through what's the story?

what's the one with the stranger things? Oh, skeleton crew. We have skeleton crew. Is that the only one that's on? Yeah, but they're talking about that movie like 2027 or something crazy like that. That's what I'm saying. Also, are we not going to see Thron in the TV shows? Like, are we just, is he just going to be in skeleton crew?

I think he'll be in skeleton crew. I think he will. You don't think so? No, it's not that I don't think so. If Thrawn is in skeleton crew more than he is in Asoka, I think it would be weird. Y'all don't think that would be a little, like, because these little kids don't know who fucking Throne is. They might learn to know him. They might learn to fear him, to fear Thron.

I mean, at this point, the next episode, Asoka is going to be in proximity to Sabine, Bailen, Morgan, maybe Ezra may be Thron. So at some point, they're going to have to stop with the advertisers and serve the appetizers and serve the meal. At some point, I don't know what that's. What if Osuka is the meal and Thron and Ezra are the dessert? That was a weirdly sexual way to put it. I don't know.

See what I'm saying? Now, just because of what you did before. Just because of what you did before. it's like, how did I take your, the same thing you said, but you, because it wasn't when you said, when you did that, because Charles, me and Charles are on the second, it's not reaching going on.

How's that projection? I just love how I'm third in line for the horny allegations come the end of this episode. Whoa, whoa. Steve, it's not even about. You are in Spotify HQ getting bricked up when fucking arrows on screen. It's not even about, but also to me, it's not even about. the horny allegations, because let's face it, man,

he're doing a thing. He goes to the strip club and is like, this is, this, this place isn't my type of place, man. And he starts talking to one of the girls and the next thing you know. You're better than this. I can take you away from here. Oh, Steve has tried to, quote unquote, save

these. By the way, those women don't need, they don't need, they're doing what they want to do. Steve, see. They don't need saving. They don't need saving. But they don't. And that's the problem with the Sactivists. The problem with the sactivist is they take their own personal shit and they use it to color everything else. You know, you think that they're doing the right thing, but they're really doing the thing for the sack. That's you. I can't believe you did that. Oh, Dave Filoni is shooting her and it's the same shit that's been going on. You like the glutamist keksomis. Deal with it. Come to terms with it, Steve. You always trying to act like you don't like it. You like it.

Banger of an episode of Assoca. This was the first episode where I was just like, I never want to hear the conversation. Is Asoka for Clone Wars and Rebels fans, or is Asoka for everyone? Oh, Jomey had something to say about that. This was the episode where I was like, this episode to me is for,

like, I'm like, this whole series is for Clone Wars and Rebels fans because emotionally speaking, I do not know unless you watched the relationship. between a young Asoka and Anakin develop over those seasons. I don't know with this would hit as hard.

And even some of the criticisms I'm seeing, I'm like, these are criticisms of someone trying to hop onto like a TV show by six, 200 episodes in where I do, like, I was like, I am enjoying

this because I've watched all of that and it's richer. I don't know if I would have had that same feeling going in without. Skittle, Joe? No, if, that's something I posited before we started recording, but like,

we're all Clone Wars fans here, you know, and I know a lot of our fans are locked in on that kind of stuff. You watched it, you're like, man, this is great, see that relationship, fantastic.

If you're not locked in, you have no idea what's going on. Like, it would just be like, oh, okay, so, okay,

Okay, so he was a master. Okay, I mean, if you know Anna, the story of Anakin, if you've seen the prequels, then you kind of get some sort of informational, you have some sort of basis of knowledge. But if you don't know the, like, if Anakin calling her Snips doesn't hit you in the chest, oh, you're lost. It's not just, does not hit the same. Even the pergles shit, I would say, if you have not watched rebels,

like, and they're doing like the sweeping sounds and you're just like, why is this so important? I think you would be like, wait, why do they, like, why do they keep getting, Totally. We're going to be emotional around these spaceways. Yeah, I disagree as well. Toots disagree. Tots disagree.

I think that the characters are rendered majestically enough on the screen that they hold this weight, being at their Whaley and Wells. That's why I was talking about earlier. I think that they're majestic enough to where you get that they're a big deal. Tots disagree. We've seen the Purgles before. We've seen them be like, wow, the Purgles are really cool. They've described the program.

No, I'm going to say in detail, but they've given us enough information. They gave you the idea. Yeah, right. But you're always saying that from the of people who love this shit. If you are people, if you're like a Star Wars fan who is just like,

fuck the cartoons, fuck all this shit. Alan's just like, oh, now I see why they're annoyed. I mean, if you say fuck the cartoons, fuck all of this shit,

are you watching Asoka anyway? Yeah, you just hate it. Oh, no, I think a lot of them. Like that, I think there is a contingent

where like, because you have to realize, like, people were watching Mando. People were watching Book of Bobaugh. I do think that there are people who, yeah, this is going from a world where diehards were like saying that there's that Andor was shitty.

Like it's the like I'm not saying that all people are going to be like down on Asoka just because it's another thing. But like we're in this era of IP where they're like, okay, how much do I really need to know before I watch this thing? Not that much. Okay. How much is the show going to hold my hand?

A decent enough degree? I think so. Charles, fight back. I mean, just put some on your ass. You're playing, you're playing. What's happening right now is what's happening right now is you're getting minta you're getting mintified. I'm not getting mitified.

I'm brushing those teeth. If Jomey, he was feeling the same thing that I was feeling in terms of like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're brushing those teeth? Yeah. Oh, ho. Is he making you mitten fresh?

Chuck, fight back. Oh, my God. Chuck, fight back, bro. Fight back, Chuck. Just fucking click control. First of all, I have got to fucking hang the fuck up. Oh, this is so fucking fast. But no, like, I, the, let's just say the discourse, the Asoka discourse is toxic in a way that I have not seen in quite a while.

And while I do think a lot of that is wrapped up in a very, very racist, misogynistic contingent of the Star Wars fandom, I do think when I was speaking earlier about this is the culmination of what Dave Faloni has been. working towards. If you are anti-Dave Filoni already, there's nothing in that episode that is going to be like, I finally get it. I think that, like, you have to surrender yourself to the project. And the project has been, at least for Dave Faloni, for as long as he has been part of the Star Wars universe, not only adding and recontextualizing and adding emotion to those prequel movies through Annen animation, once he got enough power, it's like, okay, now I'm going to show you that these are real characters with real actors and we're doing the thing. And I think your enjoyment of this episode is going to entail whether you are in the Faloniverse and you are in the world and

you love the world he's building. And if you don't, you're going to keep being like, Harris Wooden, Osokas Wooden, fucking nostalgia. Nah, it's witches. Yeah, this episode is definitely, we agree that we liked it and we had a fun time. This episode's a little more divisive everywhere else. People who liked it, people who watched the Clone Wars

and didn't like it, and people who didn't watch Clone Wars and liked it. You know what I'm saying? I think what it is is just, you know, how attached are you to the Clone Wars, are attached to you

to these characters? And what lessons did we learn? I think we all came to the... I also think the hype plays into that. Go ahead. That's also true. The movie theater thing, I think, actually was like

motherfuckers is acting like this is going to be a two-hour episode. I think when you walk out the episode and you're like, oh, Osook realizes that her past, like, you know, her past doesn't determine her future and that she can now move forward and

become a better Jedi than she ever realized that she could be. You're like, oh, okay, cool. That's, you know, whatever. And if you don't walk away with that, you're kind of wondering,

what was the point? Why did I sit here? And especially if you don't have that Clone Wars, Rebels backstory knowledge, you're like, yo, what the hell? So,

yeah, no, I see it. Where does this, rank all time in Star Wars TV, Disney Plus TV shows as an episode. Way up, Dan. It's got to be like top five.

It's getting to the doorstep of Samandor episodes. Oh, that's, oh, I forgot about Andyor. Oh, man. I think it's lower top ten. Lower top ten? No, I think it's top five for sure. Between and or and or and between Samando episodes, I don't think it's an easy top five.

You know what I actually think that this episode in many ways, is a standard setter for Star Wars live action television. Oh, no, no, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You are setting yourself up for so much disappointing, man. I wouldn't do that to myself. My daddy.

I wouldn't do that to myself. No. Ooh, my daddy. I think here's a following Star Wars versus the MCU. I know, like, just bear with me on this. The MCU still has films. That's why they're not like doing all this big stuff.

in the TV shows because like they want you to come out theaters and see all the spectacle stuff.

Star Wars doesn't have movies no more, right? There's no, like, they're trying to restart the thing,

but Dave Filoni can't go and cook for two hours with the whole script and a movie and you like that. So if he's going to do some,

it's going to happen on TV, right? That's how we get moments like this. I feel like we should take this moment and be happy

and chalk it up as a special one because I don't really, I don't know, I don't know if they're clearing the check for any other director. Like this episode was like, this costs a lot of money. I don't know what other director could come in and be like, you know, I want to redo the Clone Wars and live action. You're tripping, man.

You're about to be scouts. I don't know, man. And you're like, Star Wars is dead. I think this is a special case. Also, how funny is it that like probably like some of the best episodes of Star Wars television ever are in the book of Boba Fed? How crazy is that? Because you guys are haters. you guys are haters in the show that's enough i've had enough of you guys i've had enough it's not

even like a it's like it's a manned way i said it's enough in the book of boba fed it's crazy that's like joey i'll jump through this thing and kick you in your what'd you say the mouth of the pergill you want if you want a pergill get up in your mouth get all up in the pergol mouth that's going to be a new slang what does that pergo mouth do jemmy well tell us about that pergillian you know what i'm saying that baline we're watching it's going to be a little bit with Isaiah. Isaiah is one of the podcast.

A known freak. And Isaiah when the well opened his mouth, Isaiah was like, wow, that's weird. Why does the,

why does the whale look like that? We were like, Isaiah, well, they have bailing. They don't, did you want the whale to have, like teeth?

Like, did you want them look like a shark? I didn't expect the teeth to look like that. It was like, what did you expect whale teeth to look like? Also, we need to stop in,

in universe, in universe, Do they call the pergles whales? No, that's just, that's us. No, but they, but Jason called it a whale. That's true. And I was just like, Jason, it's a pergill. Like, do they have whales?

Do they have earth whales? They probably have, they have a whale type thing. Obviously they do. And then you have whales of the sky. Star Wars has lots of interesting creatures, Charles. This is a galaxy far, far away. Do they call whale whales? Wait, do they have any animal in Star Wars?

That is the same as a earth animal. Well, no, that is true, yep, because Vader was on a horse. The comic book, Vader wrote a horse. What? Yeah. Vader wrote a horse, Vader wrote a horse. Apparently does Vader wore the horse. Yeah, he wrote a horse.

Vader, Star Wars horse. I remember reading this. He was on a horse. They were horses. Was it like a dark horse? Did they have like flames come out? Is it like Sauron would ride or something? Yeah.

See, Vader is on his horse. You guys never, you know, it's a different type of. It's a horse type of animals. It's kind of got horns of some sort. Bader's got like, he's got a horse that he rides. Do you think, is my last question? Do you all think when they go to this new fucking galaxy, everybody's like, it'll be a new galaxy of new stories.

This is where our Earth will be. There is it. I'm just like, guys, I don't actually. They're known as Orbox. Orbox. If they show up to our galaxy, like, imagine it's so good. They show up on Earth and Ezra out of Buffalo Wild Wings. That be it.

insane. We really have to go, guys. You know, I just want to the track. It's over. It's over. It's over. It's over. It's over. We got to go. They sit at a dairy queen. That's enough.

That's a wrap, guys. Final Sun social's instant Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, hashtag Jomi Jase's new dad. Coming up on the feed. This Fridayman edition, we'll be discussing Harley Quinn season four. Also on Friday, House of Orr, we'll be giving you their deep dive into Asoka episode five. grown-ups are back in the room.

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Whoa. Oh my god. Keep that. Steve, what are you doing? Steve, what the fuck? Steve, what the fuck? No, see, that's how Steve fights back. Steve fucked up my shit.

Sorry, sorry. No, no, no. I'm so sorry. Nope, it's finished. You ruined the whole flow. You fucked up the whole thing. I don't know why that just happened. Like, you fucked it up.

That stays in. like that. You fucked it up. You sold the bag. Steve, you are R. Anakin. You start off as this plucky kid or whatever and then the more power you get the closer you get to the dark side.

Tries to kill a young black woman. Tries to kill a young black woman. Yeah. Tries to kill a black woman. Podcasts over. We are The Midnight Boys. Give us some whale facts

off top of dope. Off the top of the dome, I don't have any. Okay. I know about whales, but I don't know about them intimately enough. I'm willing to learn more about whales, but I know something. Whales are one of those elephant-type animals that give us all types of fields. Think about when you see a whale. Think about other movies that have made use of the whale.

Free willy. Boom. Killer whale also, Avatar. Avatar, yes. Avatar to Whale Water had a nice whale who could communicate. We love a whale. They have human eyes. They have a human eyes and a human spirit, just like an elephant.

When people hurt elephants, you're just like, no, this thing is so majestic and so old, you are hurting the soul of humanity. Would it be fair to say that the whale is the elephant of the sea and the elephant is the whale of the jungle? and um wow I see this I mean technically the elephant is not in the jungle technically the elephant is in the

Sahara Sahara whatever Sahara whatever it is whatever it is see what I'm saying this is my point they get to a certain level with us and they stop teaching us

about animals so they can fuck up the environment and we won't know what they're doing this is by design I swear to God They don't want us to know about animals. They don't want us to know about Mount Lion. They don't want us to know about all of these different things because they want to be able to do whatever they can,

they do, and they don't want us to know. Okay, back to the protocol. All right, Aaron Rogers, do you have any other conspiracies that you would like to tell us? It's not a conspiracy. And by the way, my motherfucking, I actually do agree with you. My ACLs are intact. Achilles, you're Achilles.

Achilles. Achilles.