The Ringer-Verse - 'Ahsoka' Episode 6 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: September 20, 2023

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well, you know what? Let's get through the programming reminder. Oh, no. Next week, the Midnight Boys are going to be back, we're going to be doing more Asoka. Asoka, we're going to be back here. Next Friday, Mid-Edition, we'll be back

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I wouldn't say Teen Titans. Why? But, you know, Why? Because they're not like living in a tower and they're not like a team. You know what I'm saying? It's more like, like the grassy, right? The grassy. Okay.

But with superpowers, yeah. All right, but I'm just saying, though, this is a younger version, Young Avengers Teen Titans situation with the boys type of a deal. No. Ten times a little more cheery. A little more cheery than that. You really can't be saying Teen Titans in front of Jomey and him not being like T Titans is going better than whatever.

Well, I just want you guys to know that there was the show Titans to where it wasn't. I watched Titans. Okay. That wasn't so cheery. Titans was good. It was fine. It was fine. On today's show, we're talking about episode six of Asoka far, far away.

Now, before we get into episode six of Assoc, I would like you guys all to make sure that you pay attention to what's going on over there on the House of Our Feed because Mal and Joe, Joe and Mal are kicking it over there. I was just like to take a moment to discuss the droid draft that happened over there on the House of Our Feet. feed. And just let's sure everybody knows that there's a new sheriff of town. It's actually not the House of R anymore. The name of the podcast is now the House of V. Because I came in there and I did my goddamn thing. And I want everybody to know that when you're in a draft with some of the heavy hitters,

some of the people who have to, Steve is the look on Steve's face. Van Walked into the House of R. and tracked mud all in the house. I walked into the house of R like put his feet on the couch. Fucking James. Okay. I put my feet on the couch.

It was me, Hu Yang, R2D2, C3PO. Look, here's the deal. Like, let me tell you why I'm going to take a little victory lap here. Because of the hatred

that people have for C3PO. When it was C3PO, in my estimation, that want me this draft. You did have R2D too. It was got to right. That's not true. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. Overthinking. It was overthinking the draft. You take C3 as soon as you can. Yeah. As soon as you can. So here's the thing.

I'm just saying, you know, this is kind of the situation to where reputations are built. You know, and you can't stay on top forever. There's always a faster gun. And I'm just saying what I'm saying right now is we should do a complete draft with everybody on and we should find something to draft

because I think that the Midnight Boys, I think they're starting to be a little like dark tent over the whole, the Midnight Boys. I think we're coming for it in terms of drafts in terms of midnight court. I challenged Mallory to the midnight court about the redemption of Anakin Skywalker hadn't heard anything.

So I'm just saying. Oh, my God. A lot of dip on the chip, man. A lot of. a dip on the chip, man. Too much dip. All right, it was very fun. I love the amazing ladies

over at the House of Art. The draft was very, very fun. But, you know, it's funny to see how it all shook out. Okay, look, you guys, it's time to get into Osoka. We literally just watched it. We are fresh off the episode.

Everything is going to be spoiled. We're going to spoil all of Star Wars up to this point. We're going to spoil Clone Wars. We're going to spoil Rebels. Anything you might have heard, read, or seen, It's out of the window.

Steve, giving a spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about you're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, now before we get into the episode, we have to put you in the need to know. Oh, excuse me, before we get into the episode,

we have to put you in the know. And the only way to do that is Chuck who'll give you the Midnight Manifest. Chuck, take it away. All right. This is your Midnight Manifest for Far Far Away, directed by Jennifer Gettzinger, written by Dave Filoni. We begin with Assoc and Huang traveling through hyperspace while debating Sabine's choice to backstab her master for the short-term game of finding Ezra. Meanwhile, on Peridia, Morgan, Bailant, and Shin are united with the Knights sisters who will take them to Throne while Sabine is in custody.

Theron arrives backed by a small force of night troopers who have definitely seen some shit. And after hearing Baylon's promise to Sabine, Throne gives the former rebel all she'll need to find Ezra, but he has a little. as a plot because after Sabine departs, Throne tells Baylon and Shin to follow and kill Sabine when and if she finds her old friend, Ezra. Meanwhile, Thron tells Morky to prepare for the incoming of Jedi Asoka. After fighting off some nomads, Sabine meets Beetleborgs who lead her to Ezra. Sabine and Ezra share a warm embrace, but the Mandalorian camp there to reveal what she had to do

to find her old friend. And this has been your midnight manifest for Assook. This episode, Star Warsy as hell, straight up coming to you, Chuck. What did you like? I'm just a Barbie girl in a Thrawn world, you feel me? And with that, what? What? With that being said, Dave Filoni is the goat.

You know, you just can never, you always have to believe in him. And I just think that this was a rousing, arousing 49 minutes. of Star Wars goodness, and I just can't wait for more. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Place off the cat. Place off the cat.

I've never. I've never, ever, ever heard anything. He's getting held hostage. Unconvincing. What I just heard? Bleak twice. if you need help. Like, Charles.

Blink twice if you need help. Charles, I'm going to ask you again. We can do what did you like? I told you. I told you. No, I don't know. Barbie girl in a throng world. What the fuck does that even fucking mean?

Like, like all of that stuff. Like, okay. So I'm serious, though. You know what? We're going to come back to Charles. All right, I'll just say in terms of what I liked, first of all, I thought this was a chance. They took a chance with this episode.

All right. They did. They did. They took a chance. Giving you very little Asoka in this episode starts off with Asoka. Get a couple of conversations between Asoka and Heang. And then we're on Peridia. Sabine is kind of leading the whole thing.

Sabine, who has easily been the most annoying character of the show thus far, putting an entire episode, that's facts, Jummy. I don't know why you're looking like that. Putting an entire episode in her lap was a definite risk to me, you know. But that's why I say don't write the show because what I liked about the show is this particular episode is that this seemed to be a return to Star Wars fundamentals that we haven't really seen in some of this stuff. This was creatures.

It was friendship. It was an overarching sinister baddie, overlooking everything. It was alliances. It was regret. It was all of that. And one, it was coolness. It was the wonder of a new land. that stuff in one episode and I really, really, really dug it.

We'll come back to Chuck so we can get the real take. But, Mitt Boys, what did you guys think? I will say, like, you know, for a show called Osoka, there was it a lot of Asoka this week? You know, but I understand what the thing was. You want to let one of them cook with Thrawn and showing his power. When the chimera came over top of the little obelisk thing, I was like, hey, man, we're finally here. we're finally right at the moment, you know? And so I guess like letting, you know,

Thron and Baylon have a little time to, you know, get to know them, like really and understand what they're kind of about, I think is not a, not a, something I thought was cool, you know. Yeah, and then Ezra with a beard. Great. It's awesome. I guess the Khmera guy, they got a barbershop up there for your boy,

Thron, you know, keep it, keep it, keep it nice and fresh. Not for Ezra, though. He's got a beard, man. But it was great seeing those characters again. I think that's what ultimately, like, take away for this episode is. Thron and Ezra are back.

And we're in for it for the next two episodes. Let's go. I think it's an exciting precedent that this episode leaves us at because we get the premiere of Thrawn. We have possibly, like, the beginning, like, the show seems to be very,

aware that this is very, this is going to be the thing that leads us into what Force Awakens is, that this will be the kind of underlying threat that brings back what the idea of the First Order will be, because once we meet Thrawn, he is kind of already in step with what he knows he has to do to sort of bring back the empire or what he thinks it will be again. And that's, that's a big idea for this episode to bring to the forefront here. I liked a lot of it. I think Sabine carried this episode pretty well, honestly. I think it's just more so the fact that she didn't have a lot to do

other than bite off a couple of guys and go off and find Ezra and talk to some cool crab dudes. She had a hell of a lot to do. Yeah, she had a level of a lot to do. And I enjoyed it a lot. I thought it was great. I really dug it. And I thought that after what we got last week,

a reset to get back into the emotionality of the show to take us away a little bit from the gigantic sort of struggle for the fate of the universe and war and just get back to like the essence of it is like what's up with me and my friends was kind of a deal.

Well, I'll also say like, we did spend a lot of time the circle last week. We didn't even get to, you know, see Baylon and Shen and Sabine last week. So, you know, for this week, And we let them shine, let them cook a little bit. I thought, yeah, I thought that worked.

That was cool. I mean, you know, you expect to spend time with Assoca. Well, yeah, I mean, it's, you know what I'm saying? It's different. It's different. But, you know. Yeah. It's fine.

Charles, what the fuck? Are you going to podcast today? I'm downloading. This is an episode where I hope the teacher would not call on me because y'all are fucking high. Y'all, like, y'all are out of your goddamn mind. I don't like, go for you. Get your show.

Now it's time for what we did like and tell us. No, it's just like, y'all are like walking around the thing. And I'm just like, yo, let's be real. Like, like Thrawn showed up, right? Like, Thrawn and Ezra, this is the episode. I expect a little bit more like, rah, rah, ra about this shit. And y'all are like, you know, well, it was, there were so, like, dog. Like, let's talk about the meet of the episode, bro.

Like, come on. Okay. The episode was weird. If we want to be real, like, if we want to get it, the episode was a little tone it was jarring. It was a jarring. So this is my thing. Okay, so number one, they,

this is the Throne and Ezra episode, right? But they didn't make it until the Throne and Ezra episode. They actually depopped and circumstanced the introduction of both characters. They did. Which is weird because this is what we have been building to. This was like built to as like a, going to be a monument.

moment. And when it showed up on screen, I was like, wait, no, that's supposed to be thrown, though. This is like, this is everything that Asoka wanted to stop. And it was this weird emotion where I was like, it doesn't feel like that. So this is, I think anybody who's been watching or listening to us for the last couple of weeks knows what I'm about to say. Oh, boy. Don't write the show. I hate it This is not right This is not writing the show

This is not writing the show And so let me tell you why I think that it is Because if there would have been a situation Where the Star Destroyer would have come down And Thrawn would have been sitting back there Like with eyes glowing red behind something And by the way I thought his introduction Was still pretty whatever

They literally had scores, dozens of stormtroopers. The night troopers look sick. By the night troopers. Stormtroopers have ever been, by the way. Yeah. Enok looked tight. The ghost face killer, motherfucker.

Gold face. Enoch saying, Thron, Thron, Throne. That was sick. That was tight. So I'm saying it. So it still was like,

this is the motherfucker. What I think people are actually talking about because I've seen a couple of other people saying this, is not actually how Throne was introduced, but like the look of Throne and he

looks like an old general dude. Like he, that's blue. He looks like you know what I mean? Look, okay. So look. So wait, so you're saying it's the fact

that he's blue that mess? No, no. No, wait. Hold on. Hold on. Wait, just wait. Just wait. Don't go out of Van. No, Van. Van has some points. Like, I get what Van is trying to say. So he looks, he doesn't look like the most foreboding

motherfucker in the world. Like if it would have been, I'm just being for real, you know, he's like, he's like me, his hair lines back a little bit. It's what he was on his head.

He was like, that was like a fucking Lego character's hair. Like his hair. His hair lines back a little bit. You know, he is, he is. God.

That motherfucker looked like Johnny Bravo. That shit was not moving, so I want to say something. Johnny Bravo is nuts. So I want to say some, the real quick. When you see Thron drawn, he cuts the

figure of this like, like, really... He's made of like 90 degree angles. 90 degree angles. And like, it's something, he's a guy. Yeah. Jonathan Large Smith's Millison, he's a guy. And it took for it. I was like, oh shit. You know, Thron's got, you know, he's got, he's a little

jolly. And the whole not, it's not a bad, I'm not being a dick. I'm saying... He's been marooned out there a bit. He's probably... For a long time, it's been ten years. years, right? It's been 10 years. So, you know, it's been some time out there. All right, this is what I wanted. Like, I just wanted healthy dialogue. Y'all are finally talking about it. So what I'm saying is when I looked at it, it did take me a couple of scenes. Okay, that's the same. Okay, he's like, because I was looking like every, all of us when we came out of COVID. Like, when I first,

like, you know, when I first saw him, you know what I thought was? I whipped the shit out that nigga. Same. Same. He wouldn't be running laps around me, bro. He wouldn't be like, come on, bro. This is it. You guys are insane, man. You guys are insane.

All they need you to do is talk. All he needed to is talk and I was in. That was, man, don't get me wrong. I'm in, but I think that his introduction had the pomp and circumstances, but I thought when he first got there, I was like, huh. Now, the Ezra introduction, I really thought was perfect. Oh, Ezra, perfect. Like I think actually we're talking about the character that I think casting wise they got the most correct.

Like Eamon, the actor who plays him, I was just like, this motherfucker is, Ezra. He didn't. He was charming. He just had that kind of like protagonist, swashbuckily energy. The beard looked amazing. The blue contacts were just like, it was everything was just done really, really right with him. I feel like, Joe, you don't think so? No, I agree.

I agree. I thought Ezra sounded great, looked great, you know, and it was just, it was really cool to see him and Sabine together again. Like,

that was, that was really fun. I thought that introduction was, was perfect. There was a lot of, I'm not going to lie, though.

And this was, this is, maybe this is, I'm reading too much into it. To Sabina, Ezra got a little bit too much sexual tension to be like,

we brother and sister. I'm like, I was getting a little, that's what happens to get two beautiful people together, you know what I'm saying? That's the long running thing on House of All

where they're talking to like, when he's like you're like a sister to me in that hollow you're like that wasn't the energy you were bringing for rebels this one's the thing this motherfucker been stuck on that planet for a while

and it's just like nothing but crab people yeah I was just like the vibe was a little bit weird I'm like I don't know if this is brother and sister by the way when I watch rebels it seemed kind of obvious at times that he had a crush on her

oh no yeah very clear so like what's the obvious so I think that Now. No, but like from Sabine, Sabine is like, but he's just my brother. And I'm like Sabine, either she's lying to herself. Nah. Because I was like, nah. She wanted, she was coming out there on a mission if we want to be real.

That's just how I picked that. Charles, you're on the edge right now, bro. What? No, no, no. Van, what do you want? This episode is all the real. Or you want me to go to the back of the class and stuff the fuck up. You're on the edge right now.

You're on the edge of saying that this entire. higher voice was for some dick. I mean, I'm not saying, but I'm also not not saying. Broadcasting live from the Mojo Dojo Casa House, Charles Holmes. Guys, guys, you have to remember, we heard this in episode three. We think, I'm pretty pretty sure that in the purge of Mandalore, Sabine lost like her whole family, right? And throughout the, we heard of the family, the rebels are scattered around the galaxy. But, you know, she can find her.

She could talk to Osaka, right? Ezra is gone, like, or was gone, right? In order to, like, you know, bring some, bring some sense, bring some closure, you know, like, find her family. She had to go do what she had to do again, Ezra. I think it's more than Dick. Jomey, Jomey, I'm fucking with you. She hasn't mentioned Zeb once.

Nobody's mentioned Zeb. Nobody. Nobody's mentioned Zab. I'm just saying, I get it. You think she's keeping this energy for Zab? I get it. She hasn't mentioned Zab once. I haven't seen one. teary-eyed recollection House Callis, you know what I'm saying?

How's the Bayon? And she, you know, and I get it, bro. It's something different with this guy. Let's just keep it real. I'm not saying it. I'm not going as far as what Charles is saying, but they had a special relationship. Oh, I didn't say shit. I was just, I didn't say anything. I was just, but see, y'all this is why I'm going to go to the back of class

because I just bring stuff to the boys to be like, to just discuss and you judge me for it. And it's fine. You haven't been judged. I was just letting you know how, I'm just getting you pre-ready is all I'm saying. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Can I say something? Can I say something?

I actually thought for a second that he would, when I say he, I mean Ezra, that he would make his appearance when she was fighting off the nomads. I thought that Ezra would jump out. And I'm glad they didn't do that because that was predictable. You know, that would have been predictable. I think there were some things here that really made this episode interesting. For example, Thrawn and his machinations. Okay.

Baylon made the promise to Sabine, lets her go. Thrawn is always thinking one step ahead. Yeah, she's going to be able to go out there. You're actually living up to your part of the bargain. When she finds Ezra, you and Chin go out and kill them both. now we have something that keeps the kinetic energy of an episode going. We have somebody looking for their friend as they are being hunted. And you have what's going on back on the Star Destroyer with Thrawn trying to figure out

how he's going to get back to the galaxy and now Asok is coming. I just felt like there was a lot happening in the episode that kept the stakes going. And you have some cuteness. I fuck with the beetle With the beetle borgs I love them They were tight And they have the little

Hobbit clothes that I love Oh yeah Some of them were No some of them look good Like one of them had like a little Huddy, right hoodie on They were like Yeah

Coming off Ninja Turtles You know Bacon egg and cheese Literally I was like The Teenage Me and Crabt turtles Were like my favorite Like one of the favorite parts The episode

It was real cute When he opened his thing up And he had the symbol I was like Oh that's That's nice. That's cute. They knew Ezra.

And so that's, you know, Star Wars, Creatures, Friends, all of that. Come on, Chuck. I even like the dog. I like the little, like, the howl. The hollered. Oh, I loved it. I thought it was so cute. Hey, it was dope.

Like, I like creatures. Um, now. Stephen didn't like it. Stephen liked the howl. Well, no, it was more, it's more of the logistics of that whole day that Sabine has, where Thron basically says, like, yeah, we have no idea where Ezra is, but, you know, we'll give you a mountain. You can just head on out and find him.

doesn't even take her a day. Locked in. I was like, okay, so Throne didn't even try. I was confused by that because even Baylon was like, they're like,

yes, Baylon, you can follow her. And then later it's like, they're far behind and they're still searching. And I'm like, why would they let her get this far ahead? Like,

well, I literally need to know how far she traveled because it seemed like she only traveled like six miles. Well, they need her to, to find Ezra. Well, right. So that they can kill her. So they're probably

laying back. So giving her the opportunity to find Ezra so that they can then run up on her and kill her. Yes. And it might have just been like with the quickest of the edit of the episode. But like with the seeming efficiency that she finds him, I was like, oh, you could have probably easily found him if you just

like sent out a search party. I mean, wrong. Wrong. Maybe. Because number one, it's not that they'll even have the bodies. She had the crest on her shoulder, which made the teenage mutant ninja crab turtle guy go, oh, I know that. And then she went, oh, and so that was the trust. I know. I'm just going off of distance.

Like, if it's a walkable and rideable distance. Y'all too busy writing the show to actually look into the show and see that they get, hey, this crest, I recognize it. Boom, boom, boom. I'll take you to Ezra. Now, what I will say is that, you know, the little turtle niggas are pretty trusting. because they didn't like the dog they didn't like the dog

because the dog probably has eaten a couple of turtles in the past. He's eating a couple of turtles in the past. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Tramphia offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start.

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and liver problems may occur. Before treatment, get checked for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms, or need of a bad. vaccine. Explore what's possible. Ask your doctor about Tramphia today. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Tramphia Radio.com. Baylon and Shin, what's their deal? Why does it feel like there's some conflict there with him? Why does it feel like he, he's nostalgic for the Jedi and it seems like he's going to have... I mean, was, did Baylon get a little meta in this episode? No, I genuinely like this. Did Baylan get a little meta?

the episode starts in Hugh Yang's like in a galaxy far, far away. That's what threw me off. We are now in the far far away. What Baylon is just like, this shit keeps happening. The empire, the Jedi. Yo, we're going back to the beginning. And immediately I thought I'm like, is this motherfucker about to use magic to go back to time?

And he's like, I was like, please don't say this motherfucker is about to use like fucking Dathamere witch time travel magic. That's like, like, I like, I like, I liked Baylon in this. episode, I think he was like, motherfucker was spitting, but I was worried, I'm like, yo, what is his plan? Please don't tell me he's going to, like, go back in time and, like, murder, like, space.

No, I mean, clearly the witches don't fuck with him or any Jedi to be fair. Vice versa, too, I think, really. Yeah, because he's just like, no, this is just some bullshit fairy tale stuff. Like, we need to get back and, like, actually start, like, a real Jedi order. They smelled the Jedi on her. They're like, I, it smells like a Jedi.

which is interesting because she can't do shit. I mean, Shin was also like, she was like witches. Like she smells witches. She's like, there's more wishes here. It's a lot of prejudice going on. It's an anti-witch agenda.

It's an anti-Jeddy agenda. Nobody likes anybody in this motherfucker. I'll tell you this, though. As it speaks to Baylon, when he was saying that, I'm like, they are actually to Charles, point, they are actually in front of us

resetting the universe right now. They're saying, hey, they're saying, hey, it's time to start. It's time to start again. It's like, in the movie, when somebody says the name of the movie in the movie, like, it's time to walk the green mile. And you're like, that's why

it's called the Green Mile. I'm tired of these Star Wars. Yeah. That was literally the feeling. There's been too many Star Wars were fucking rebooting. And I was just like, please, Doug, please, Baylon. I didn't read it that bad, but I did like that line where it stinks of Jedi and it is dangerous.

Like, because I read that as like the witch is almost like smelling or sensing the force on them. Because clearly they work with something different. They have, they work with magic. They like, because those things can be exclusive. Does Ezra still have his lightsaber? No, he gave it away. No, no. So he gave it to Sabine.

So he gave it to Sabine. So here's the deal. So they're down on a lightsaber, unless he's built another one, which I doubt. and here's the deal when he ends up fighting Baylon is Ezra going to be able to wash the shit out of Bailey Now I think Baylon's got

I mean Benin's got age and practice Ezra is uncommonly Ezra is uncommonly strong in the force though But I will say this Baylon was talking down on like He's like yeah you know Those backwater Jedi

That weren't trained in the temple Like he was talking big shit And I'm like dog I don't really know If you got it like that It's like he's talking shit about a Southpaw or something. I was like, okay, well, like,

he'll still fight you and he could still fuck you up. Wait, can we be real? Do we think, because like, Canaan, right? Canaan is very strong in the force, but Canaan didn't even finish his training. So. Ezra is much more talented than Canaan is. As a force user?

Like, Ezra's a way more talent. What I'm saying is, is there any merit to what Baylon is saying by saying, like, these motherfuckers were not at the temple. They weren't really in the gym like that. this is the strain of Jedi, I don't even respect.

Or is he like, is he selling a fucking, like is he trying to hype himself up? So, you know what's, I actually kind of agree with that. And let me tell you why. I knew you. I know. I'll tell you why I kind of agree with that.

I agree with that because when I look at the Jedi, especially when you watch the prequel trilogy, and you see that like it was, you had to get adopted from your family. And then it was six. And then it was the gathering. And then it was. all of this stuff and they were doing it this way.

And you had to go live in the temple and Corrason. And it was all of this. And now it's just kind of like, I'm going to train you. They'll even grow the fucking braid no more. You know what I mean? Shinn's got the braid. Shins got the braid.

They barely search for the cristles anyway. But it's a lot of non-braided motherfuckers. So I'm just saying this, if I was a Jedi and I had gone through the regular Jedi shit and then you came at and somebody had adopted you and you never did none of the other shit, I would kind of look at you like, I don't know, bro. You kind of like a conceptual Jedi more than you are like a real one.

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are dead. Thron seems I wouldn't say afraid but concerned about Assoca's return. Oh, I think he's pissed because like, he's like dog, y'all brought fucking but does he know Asoka? Because he was just like, I need

everything on her and I was just like, I thought no, he knows who she is. Yeah, he knows who she is. Then why do you go to him? Morgan is just like, I need to know who trained her. I need to know this. And I'm like, I thought he knew all of that shit. That's an interesting question.

I don't know if he ever really did the deep dive on her because she was essentially a part of the ghost crew. And so maybe he didn't take the time to do all of his goals specifically on her because she wasn't his main adversary. So maybe now he's locked in on. But he would have to know about Anakin. Well, here's the thing. You have to remember.

He knew about Anakin. Yeah, but remember he didn't. So this is, I don't know if it works the same way because this is like Legends canon, which is a quick little refresher on Thron. So Thron meets, Thron meets Anakin Skywalker like before, right? He meets Anakin Skywalker before. Thrawn deduces, he deduces that Vader is Anakin Skywalker. He figures it out because nobody knows.

So nobody, like, so like, so nobody knows what happened. So Asoka doesn't even know until they have their fight. Right. So with Thrawn, he probably wouldn't have known the history of Anakin Skywalker as a Jedi based upon when Thrawn came into service of the empire because it was kind of the, the, the, the empire or during that time. He had met. This is fair. Yeah.

Yeah. So he wouldn't have, he wouldn't have really known everything about all. all of that stuff that was going on before then. So he probably, he might know now or they might tell him, but I wouldn't have expected him to know the lineage of Jedi that she was from. No, I don't think she would know

because if my memory serves correct, she disappears, like at the end of Twilight Apprentice in, Twilight of the Apprentice in Rebels, right? Like she fights Vader, they come out. And then Thrawn shows up in season three, right? And so because nowhere to be found until season four, the world between worlds

when Ezra pulls her out, right? But then she goes on to do her own thing and Ezra goes on to do his thing. So I don't think we even see them meet and rebels if my memory shows correctly. So he has no idea who she is. And so when the nice sisters are like, hey, the great mothers

are like, yo, we got some Jedi coming through, uh-oh. And she, you know, he's like, okay, give me everything I need on her. Let's get this thing cracking. The episode sets up a couple of different things. Number one, it sets up the fact that Sabine is just a, just, let's talk about Sabine for a second. Is she the number one fuck up on any Star Wars show that we've seen?

Oh, it's, it's up there. Character assassination. I'm like, it's bad. Like this episode too, I was just like, when, when she, when they show her in jail, and she's like, we had a deal. I'm like, yo, like Sabine, like, what are. you doing like she's going out so fucking sad is she the number one fuck up i'm just i'm keeping against it i i don't i don't see it

that way i don't okay give it to me how again i remember he was the one who dissented when we were like she's old he was he was like no man is you know even oscar's like yo sub bean yeah go steve what you got steve i just i i i feel like that's just it's who she is and again while being manipulated emotionally by that Jedi. Like, it's not in her to do that. It isn't. It is.

Everybody in the world, who Yang was like, that was the only choice she had because that's who she is. Right. Exactly. That's, she's, there's who Sabine is and there is the reality of the situation.

I mean, not to think about it, she did invent something to destroy her own people. She is kind of an idiot. You know what I'm saying? Like there's a pattern here, which is tough. But I'm not going to, she's not getting a bell out for me when like literally everybody, everything is pretty, is pointing to.

She did that on purpose. She made that decision of her own conscious will. Like, come on. Let's be for real. Are we also forgetting that she has still not said a word about it? Like, she, like the old, the first time we hear her say anything about Asoka is when her is in jail again and she needs help. that's a little fucked up.

I'm just like, Asoka. I did laugh when she said, what am I doing here? I'm like, if you don't know what you're doing here by now. That's what I'm saying. The thought process was not there.

Also, process is not there. Also, Ez was like, man, I can't wait to leave. She's like, ah.

And my thing is, and my thing is, and my thing is, so I'm looking at that. My thing is this. Just be like, hey. Look,

I'm happy to see you. I'm glad you're happy to see me. But here's the deal. In order for me to get here, I had to do some shit. Okay. I had to do some. I'm just letting you know I have to do some shit. Like, just tell him and then tell him, hey, you got force.

Reach out into the force. And try to see where it's okay. You've got, like, it's like, you've got force. He does. He's got force. Here's the thing. I want to be real. Sabine, like I said, was on a mission.

Genuine just started playing. She's just like, if I tell this motherfucker, we stranded out here, it's going to ruin the mood. You know what I'm saying? She's trying to get in them jeans. Like, it's not going to look cool. If she's like, also, I kind of sold. I got Asoka killed. Charles. To my knowledge. To my knowledge. She doesn't even give a shit about that. She doesn't give a shit about having gotten this fucking kid. In the episode, in the show, as was like, great to see you. How did you get here?

She's like, eh, we're not really, not really trying to talk about that. Not right now. That's not really what I'm about. like she's no idea what she's going to say to this dude let's be real how she's going to be like listen I had to I had to break a couple rules I'm waiting for like the wide shot

of her explaining the story and then Ezra just goes in the distance you what to sacrifice the sacrifice he's been on this planet for years alone and if he finds out yo I just gave Thron the ability

to go back and basically make the sacrifice you originally make me nothing. Like it absolutely, these are just wasted years. It is, I don't know if Sabine can come back from that if we're being 100% honest. I mean, I think she can, but it's definitely a tough look.

It's definitely not idea. Well, I mean, we know she will in the movie. We know what thing is going to happen. I want to over under how many of those little crab turtle motherfuckers get popped off. Oh, it's a right. If that baby gets touched, nah, but.

Oh, I can't touch the babies. Jesus Christ, Steve. Just think about, think about when, think about, you know what I'm saying? Jomey was in a whale's mouth last week, okay? We don't need to talk about. Just think about the fucking stuff that gets said. Like, I want y'all to do this. Just stop, no, you can't cut it.

Just think about the something is said. And think about how we want to show up in the world as a podcast. In the world. You know what I'm saying? Just think about it, Steve. Yes, yes. No, I really can't sally our reputation. I apologize.

Facts. So, you know, some of those people. So there's going to be, I say all that to say in a real way that, you know, in the next couple of episodes, I don't know where this show will end itself in terms of what the resolution will be and where everyone

will be at the moment that it's over. I'm assuming that Thron will be in our galaxy, the galaxy that apparently it's Huyang who's, who Yang is writing, a little crawl. He says a long time ago in the galaxy far, far away. That annoyed me slightly.

Dog, wait really quick. That was the moment where I was just like, hey, y'all could have cut this shit. Like, you're getting a little too cute. Like, a little too cute. That's definitely for us, but it was like, you know, it was maybe two meta. Maybe two meta.

I think even more so, which tells me that the show is operating on a level that I'm really into, even more so than knowing, wanting to know what the state of this perpetual Star War will be, I really want to know, tells you why the show's doing a good job, where these characters are going to be with each other.

Like in these next couple of episodes, I want to... Right, these next couple of episodes, I want to know how Asoka and Ezra are going to get through the fact that Asoka basically said, you know, you got to let that nigga die. You know what I mean? And then I want to know how Sabine and Asoka are going to get over the fact that Asoka,

that Sabine betrayed her. I want to know how Hara is going to get back whenever. I want to know what's going to happen with these characters. And even Baylon. Baylon seems to we keep moving away from it. Baylon seems to, you guys aren't reading a little bit of hesitation in Bayland. for all it is. He's opining about times gone by.

His Padawan hates witches, yet they're working for the witches. There seems, I could see something happening where next episode or the episode after that Baylon actually joins them. I get that with Shin. I don't get that with Baylon. I get that with Shin and not with Bailey. Yeah. I think Baylon is set to die.

Yeah. You know, I think Ray Stevenson, you know, has done a fantastic job of bringing this character to life, man. Like, rest in peace, man. But it's, it's so, it's so awesome how you can see the longing in his face, in his words, and his voice, yet understand that for a time that's, you know, long past, he's trying to, he's trying to do what he can in the present, right? And be like, look, yeah, that was a time that I had.

That was a time where there was order in the Jedi, but that time's gone now. And I have to do what I have to do in the moment to make. to make sure that the empire and the cycle of the empire and the Jedi doesn't happen again. I think it's incredible, incredible acting. And yeah, I just think that his story is not for long. Whereas Shin, I feel like she doesn't trust the witches.

And you have that moment where, again, she's like more witches and Sabine looks over. You know, a little conversation, you know what I'm saying? A little, hey, pal, I don't like these witches either, man. the enemy of the enemy of my enemy is my friend right bailin tells her that in this episode something goes wrong shit you need a friend i got you enemy of enemies a friend we don't like the witches hey look i want to get back home you want to get back home we kill these witches go back to the crib hey we call it even you know what i'm saying i don't want to write the episode

i don't want the series like van says but i think that's a possibility be cool to see that can i can i ask you all really quick though they were implying some real shit has gone down with Thron and the night troopers. Like, that motherfuckers looked fucked up. Like, I was just like, did they go through like cannibalism? Did they have to like, that's my thing, right? I mean, I'm assuming that there's

water in that planet. Yeah. So they could have washed that shit off. They must be getting busy like a lot. There's stuff that they're doing because they seem you know what I mean? Like, they seem to be even the way that they were moving.

You can tell that there was some trauma there. Like those are war-torn battle-tested troopers. You're wondering how much fighting they've gone out and done on that planet, what they've had to do to keep that Star Destroyer safe. Has there been like a mutiny? Like even I was like... What's morale like right now? The morale seemed like it almost seemed like they are like,

yo, like Thron basically wiped out our brothers. There was something that happened. We are chanting this motherfucker's name. Ten years. yeah like they still seemed very scared by thron i'm like what did this motherfucker do to these people like yeah they night trip was rough it was cool though they're champion they do oh yeah enoch the the main gold face gold face killer you look at a minute i thought that was gonna be Ezra i'm like dog is he oh stop no i swear to god i did too i thought when they because we popped

about it's like is that about to be ezra is he about to be now that everyone like again right in the show right in the show no i mean you look There's things that you think, and then they don't happen. You know what I mean? But no, I was wondering about that, too. I was like, you know, I realized that they probably haven't been able to switch out their uniforms in a long time. So if you wear the same Stormtrooper uniform for a long time, it's going to get fucked up. But they looked particularly haggard.

Particularly haggard. Particularly haggard. Were you afraid of them? I was a little, it was an imposing. I think they had some feral energy. I know they could fuck up like a, like a one of their own, like a corpse. Like I know like at one point,

they just had to like cut off a buddy's, uh, calf, pretend it was chicken. They have stories to tell. Oh my God. I think that this is what happens when a stormtrooper only has 10 years to think about nothing but getting the job done right the first time. And that's and that's when,

and that's when you actually get a threatening stormtrooper. Also, how was this, how was this shit flying? That was my question. I'm just like, I mean, that's cobbled together with like a bunch of,

like golden bullshit. How do you still have that Star Destroyers? Like, these are questions. These are the question. These are the questions. I mean, we've had logistical questions about how ships work in Star Wars forever and that's still been,

you know, my other question, I don't want to, like, I don't want to be that guy, but was the first half of this episode very of volume-e, where I was just like, okay,

I can tell we are in the volume right now. I mean, it's been the whole show. It's been all of Star Wars, like, assume, unless otherwise stated that it's in the volume. Like, I don't understand. There are a couple moments where I'm like, damn. The worst thing that ever happened for the volume was that the volume let us know that it was the volume. Yes, right.

The fact that we know what it is. The fact that we know what it is, the volume people should have kept that shit a secret. I'm telling the Star Wars people right now. Don't tell us the next time you make up or the Marvel people that this is crazy technology. Next time you make them some shit, don't tell us. Because people are going to be like, oh, there it is right there. That's the Wachowski effect. Whoa, y'all acting like I'm bugging.

You're not bugging at all. Hey, you're not bugging at all. What I'm telling you is you're not bugging at all, right? You're not bugging at all. But I think sometimes we pick out the volume stuff because we have an awareness of the volume. Like, we have the volume is a part of who we are. Like, we have an awareness of it. So, like, I'll say, okay, they're on the volume.

right now. To be fair, they was pimping that shit out. When like when the Mandalorian worked, they was just like, hey, y'all, look what we got. We got this shit. We got the volume, nigger. Yo, hey, my nigger, we got that brand new volume. That volume is out, bro.

Check this shit out. Hey, it was like Cribs. It was like, coming to, hey, this is the volume. Hey, look what we could do over here. We could make fucking Paris, but really, we in Scrant PA, motherfucker. Ah, ha. You know, and now we can see it and we're like

nah nigga I know you can't nigga you're not on another planet you know we wanted to with like first of all every time they do this this is very funny right so every time they make us believe this they're never like you know obviously on another planet

they're always like in London or in Tarzana or something like that Manhattan Beach Manhattan Beach they're always somewhere else they're never but just because we don't know where they are we where they are

we believe it. Because it's a physical place. There's something that you can touch. For example. For example, Last Jedi. End of Force Awakens. When they're in whatever that little area is in Ireland or New Zealand where they have all of that little thing, whatever that is, right?

When I saw that, I intellectually know that that's not another planet. But guess what? I've never seen that shit before. So when I'm looking at it, I was like, God damn, what planet they went to? I'm like, I'm like, where's, I know that that's on Earth. It has to be on Earth, right? They didn't go shoot.

Also, the fact that we've been to a thousand of these type of planets. Like, we, I'm like, dog, I've seen this exact thing in Star Wars, but every single time, I'm just like, damn, it's a new planet. And they'll be like, this is planet fucking anus mimigliagook. And I'm just like, yep, it definitely fucking anus mammoglico. Ais for giggly go. And I'm saying, but. But when you look at the volume, you know exactly that it's the volume. You go, oh, that's, that's the volume, nigga.

You can't fool me. And so I thought to Charles's point, I think that's kind of a thing. I think the other thing I noticed, too, this was a very, like, y'all watch Dune episode. And they're like, dog, this is sick. Because I was getting, like, even the stuff, the weight was designed, like the Witches of Dathamere, like their whole, like, shit and like the night troopers I'm just like this is given very much like Paula Trades is right around the corner and he's just like I've been hanging out with Ezra but I liked it though because I thought it was cool it was a chance

I thought there was some mystery you know the witches of that the mirror being in there seeing them in live action seeing uh seeing the mysticism seeing the schism seeing the schism between that I thought that gave it some mystery I'm still wondering what the relationship between them and Throne was I've always wondered that and I still kind of don't know what the fuck Baylon is talking about.

Like what does Baylon want, bro? I think that's going to be of central part of the next two episodes because we're getting closer to the idea right. He mentioned like in the first two episodes you saw about power, right? And this episode is like, I want the cycle of the Jedi of the empire to end.

Right? To me it kind of sounds like Deadpool is going to go down and kill George Lucas and Dave Filoni. Right. But what does he mean by that? You know, and what does Ezra and finding him have to do with that? Also,

what are the witches running from? Because he's like, he's like, they want to get off this planet, which is the reason I think that they're withdrawn. Because they are running from a greater power. Like what is on that planet? Yeah, what is on the planet?

What's on the planet that they're on the planet? Yeah. Like the witches are like, fuck this. Like we have to get away from here. Well, it can't be that much. They've been there for a long time. But I guess whatever it was is something. But Baylon's searching for it.

He's like, he's trying to harness it. He's trying to harness it. And at the same time, they seem to have a more thriving civilization there at one time that was decimated by something. See? I'm telling you guys right now. I'm telling you.

mystery, wonder, questions, schisms, even if people are getting on your nerves, it's okay as long as there are character stakes in the episode and in the show that make all the scenes matter. I can say one thing about this. This episode might be one. I'll tell you something that we've done. I think that as we've talked this out, Charles has probably liked this a little bit more now that we're pondering all the questions. We're getting the old Chuck White. He's softening up. You know what? Hey, just like I said, what did I say at the beginning, though?

Dave Filoni, the Goat. When you lied? I've always believed in him. 10 out of 10 episode, no notes, guys. Well, what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is like, oh, it's been so good. It's been so long. We got to get back to some of the old bits.

We got to get back to some quarter flips because if we were counting quarter flips in this bitch, I'm going to be honest with you. That's one thing about this, this story. All right. Okay. All right. No, no, go for it.

Go for it. Bro. If we were counting quarter flips in these Star Wars shows, we would all be fucking billionaires. They don't give a fuck. They flip a quarter, bro. Like, Force Awakens, I just watched it. That whole movie is one gigantic quarterfiel.

The whole thing is the movie itself. Like, if I ever got like a, if I put a poster in a frame, I'll just flip that whole. Like, the movie itself is just one big quarterflip. thing. Wait, can I cut a flip one thing in this episode

where I'm just like, y'all need to decide about Sabine. Sabine fucks those Raiders up. Like, she's like swinging the lightsaber around.

Like, she's just like, yo, I could get busy with this shit. But like for half the fight, she's not even using it. She's like a badass. She's back to the rebels, Sabine that we know.

And I keep being like, how, like, can y'all decide which I want Sabine to be? Because halfway through that fight, I'm like, this is exactly why she doesn't need to be.

be a Jedi because she could dispatch all of these people with no problem. So I'm just like, what are we doing with Sabine right now as a character? Forke no los dos. Yeah, she can be great, but also not a great Jedi. Like, yeah, like, she can know how to

wield a lifesaver, but still not be attuned with the force. Right? She kicked a lot of ass as like, as Amanda Lauren as you saw. And then when it time you don't pick up the same, she was like, all right, let's get this thing crack. I think, you know, we see her practice with it. She's definitely, again, she's been in a Jim, she'll be shooting her shots, you know, working on free throws, working on

on the corner threes, you know what I'm saying? Is she elite, of course not. But she's gotten better, she's using her skills pretty well. Like, I'm not mad at that. I'll tell you guys something. You guys just miss it, man. They just give it to you guys and you guys just miss it, especially you, Jomey. I can't believe you.

You guys miss it. They're going back and forth throughout the show with Sabine and the tool that she's supposed to be using for the job. We see her at first. She fights. she's completely ineffective with the lightsaber, right? Like the inconsistency with the weapon that she uses is demonstrating an inconsistency in her character. She doesn't know who she's supposed to be.

She pulls out the lightsaber at first. She gets fucking dusted off, right? Then she goes back to being a mandolorean. She pulls out the fucking Mandalorian shit, and that actually helps her fight against Shin. Now she meets these guys, right? she goes back to what she had been doing the last time she was successful and is not working, the fight doesn't change until she pulls out her lightsaber. Sabine is caught in the middle of two different things.

The story device that's being used to demonstrate that is the fact that at one point she fights as a Mandalorian as it works, and it works, at one point she fights as a Jedi and it works, at one point she fights as a Jedi, and it doesn't work. She doesn't know who she's supposed to be. when I watched that scene, I watched her frustrated at times that she wasn't getting her shit off and then relieved that once she pulled out the lightsaber, it worked. The lightsaber was the tool for the job then. The question is, when will she be able to reconcile both sides of herself?

When she would be enough Mandalorian and enough Jedi to be somebody who can go out there and get the job done? I mean, but Ezra is back. So it's kind of like she should kind of go back to the bench and, you know, that's just me? Wow. That's just me? Okay, well, here's the thing, right? Let's be honest, right? Hey, Ezra, appreciate you.

Yeah, I'm glad you back. Here's your lightsaber. You know what I'm saying? Let's let's get out of here. I mean, you know what I mean? There's only one of those things going around like we said. It's probably better than Ezra's hands. You know, again, Sabina is very capable as a fighter, you know, as a Man of Lorian.

Like, we know that she can get the job done. when it's time. But if I'm like, somebody needs to have a saber in their hands, I would prefer if ever Ezra had it, frankly. You know what I mean?

So. Your name's got the Raygun pointed at Earth. I want Ezra. I'm going to tell you straight up, they're going to get y'all niggas. What was just said on the podcast was unacceptable. You know what I mean? Like, she was I'm just being honest with you.

Like, like, I need a whole song. Hold on. I need a whole song from when I'm pandering. So we should, like, we should come up with a song from when I'm pandering. Because everything that just happens is the dropping. Yeah. Man loves women. Yeah.

Who loves women? Me. Because like what y'all just said, what y'all just said, you know what I learned? Brough? What you learned that? I just want to take the time out to shout out all the women in my life. I learned.

Hold on, wait, wait, wait. I swear to God, bro. It's like when I pick Jordan LaForge. Brough, bruh, as many books, that was a super panda. Because when you picked Jordan and Forge, you didn't even pick a nigg of a niggas in my life.

You didn't even pick a niggum we like, bro. It's been one thing. Jesus Christ. If you'd have come off the top road with blade or some shit, you tried to go to a bottom of the barrel type of nigga to make us know that you fuck with us. That's why we love you, Steve. But no, seriously.

Oh, my God. It's like, I learned recently, and I didn't know this. And thank you for all the women that pointed out, then, how could you not know that when I tried to, like, draw attention to us? I appreciate that. I didn't know that women couldn't even open a bank account until 1974. I did not know that. No.

Yeah. I did not know that. Oh, we knew. We woke as fuck. I didn't know that. I got to do more for the world. women in my life. And just to be off of that, you know, now I'm in my feminist era, to be off of that information. What was the era before me? It wasn't good. It wasn't a good era.

It's ancient era? I don't know. It wasn't a good era. Yeah, that's been since 1980. So now I'm in that era to hear you guys say that somebody should put down the lightsaber to give it to a man. Y'all not going to beat down. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, can I present? Can I present something that? All right. So my allegiance to our- Joe is so fucking pissed right now. Joe's listen to this. Joe's so mad right now. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, let me, let me present something. Let me present something. Okay, go for it. My allegiance to our black queens is so heavy. After Sabine ain't even been worrying about Asoka. I think it's a little egregious

if we just being like everything's all right. I don't forget about our black queens, even if they do get, if they even do drown. That's why I fuck with Charles. Hold on. See, you guys don't understand why this podcast has worked. It's really worked because of Charles.

Let me tell. I'm serious. That's why, well, not, what I'm saying, it's not because of me. You guys, everybody's great. What I'm saying,

Charles, think about what Charles just did. in order to save himself sacrifice at the altar Charles turns Sabine into a Karen brother Is she not though? Bro, that's

a different level of body bro. You got them dead to bro, you got them dead to rights. You got them dead to rights. Oh my God. No man. But now it's a bunch of

motherfuckers that's listening to this is going, you know what? I have a fucking got a point. She didn't. We forget. She looked at Sabine. No, she looked at Asoka

fucking fall off a cliff. And the first time we hear her even be worried is when she's in jail and she's just like, I need saving. That's fucked, bro. And I hadn't even thought of her, hadn't had no bad dreams, no nothing.

And like, then it did it all, and did it, bro, just on a real, they could at least give like Asoka, like a like they could give us to being like a bad dream they can at least give her some

sort of bad dream. Express regrets. She don't even feel guilty. She doesn't even feel guilty at all. Charles. There you go. I mean, she did it for a guy too. Damn. That sold out of that. That's what I'm talking about. That's the kind of content I like. You bought somebody in and they just keep their way. Before we get off on this, this is my last thing.

Can you imagine if like Asoka comes to like the Beetleborg, like city, and she just opens it, and she sees like, like Ezra just getting busy. Like, how pissed would she be? She's like, dog, this is why you almost killed me? Well, I could see Asoka going Skywalker

and it could skywalk on the beatlems. Like, I, like, what? Leave the teenage people to grab the animals alone. You know what I mean? If Soka, if she just think if she sees Sabine and then she just goes, fucking nuts.

And then all of a sudden her lightsaber lights up. She's got both of them and she just goes Anakin Skywalker. And then all of them go into rock form. Man,

I love the beetle boards. I love the billboards, the howlers, man. What's going on with me with how into cute things I am now? The show had cute stuff.

I want to, before we, I do want to give some meat. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Wait a little bit. Hold on.

Wait, what I mean is, I want to talk about. Wait, wait a second. No, no, no. Wait, that's not what I mean. Come on.

We are potting at night every time now. We're potting a night every time now. No, no, no. I mean, I want to spend the time, like the meaty part, I wanted to talk about wrong. Don't you want to spend the one? Just shock.

We are adults with, like, mortgages and stuff. Just for people to, just for people to know, this is the first time we've ever part of that night in the, and I do want to say something real quick. I want to say something real fast, so everybody knows this. So we heard everybody talking about how late the show was coming out, and we want to give you guys the show as it relates to the release of the show.

But for us, y'all have to understand that Charles is on the East Coast. No, I don't do this. It's fine. I'm just saying. So for us, it's like, it's 11 o'clock. So we're doing it at night, which is why we're unhinged because everybody's at the end of their day. And the whole not.

So can you get back to the meat report? So whatever. So what I'm saying is I do, I do want to talk. Because I did it to Steve earlier. That's why it happened to me. I do want to talk about Thron. Because look, we talked about it. Okay.

We talked about when we would want to see Thron, when we would have to see Thron. question to everyone. I'm going to ask this question, and I'm going to shut up for a prolonged period of time. We talked about when we needed to see Thron in order for the show to feel a certain way. I said that. I was guilty of writing the show.

I changed my ways now. Now that Thrawn is here, does it feel like something that absolutely needed to happen? Has the show done enough work to make the introduction of Thron to Charles's point a little bit earlier. Has the show done enough work

to make it just another thing in the show? How do we feel about the portrayal of the character? Let's spend a little bit of time on how we feel about the portrayal on the character other than just getting used to what he looks like aesthetically in live action. Chuck, give me something. I think that this show,

the reason why I don't feel like it's really writing the show is I think this show from the beginning, from how it was marketed to those first couple episodes, Asoka's whole, when we were even like, is this Asoka? She doesn't seem like normal art. Like, she had an undying need to make sure that Thrawn never shows up again. And everybody keeps saying his name. And he is just kind of like this big shadow that is looming over the entire series. and I think when we finally got the Thrawn and Ezra episode,

it did not necessarily feel as momentous as the show was kind of teasing, or at least as, it did not feel as impactful as I thought it would, or as I thought, or at least how impactful I needed it to be for us to have spent so much time because the show almost felt like, all right,

Thrawn is here. Now we're off with Sabine. And I needed a couple more beats to just kind of get comfortable with him. If I'm going to be honest, the way that you feel about Hara not totally translating to live action

is how I kind of felt about Thrawn. The voice, of course, is the voice of Thrawn to me. It's everything else where I was just like, okay, I might need a little bit more time for my brain to be like, this feels like how cartoon Braun felt

in terms of like what he meant to that show. Am I bugging? No. I don't want to, I want to get everybody a chance away before I do. So, uh, men boys,

what y'all got? I, I would agree only a tiny bit. I'm not going to say that like his introduction felt a little inert, but I think it's the fact that for all of the talk that I'll only say that the show,

Asoka has done, to amp up Thrawn as a threat, let alone all of the legends canon, all of Rebels and Clone Wars canon, et cetera, et cetera. To sort of usher that into a live-action debut like this, it's either a Catch-22 because you want time to marinate with that character to, like, establish himself with a new audience, to be like, okay, this is that dude that could go toe to toe with literally anybody in the empire.

He's the most brilliant military mind that you've ever seen. He's a purveyor of strategy and art and all of these intellectual touch stones that the empire didn't even have before. That's a lot to sell on an audience and just a blue dude walking out

in a tattered white suit. But I like to think that the show can give us that time, but I think in the immediate, I think Lars Mikulsin is doing a really good job. with his voice work and his portrayal of it. I think the look is like a little debatable as to whether or not I particularly like it.

But I think it's good. I think it needs more time in the oven to actually like get me on board with like establishing this threat. But overall I think Lars Mikkelson is still a great choice for this. Did you have the gravitas of a, of a Vader or an emperor in terms of like...

No. He's a different character though. I know that he's a different character But when we talk about like Tier of what you know this character to be Whether that is rebels Whether that is Legends canon or whatever He does have a certain gravitas

In the Star Wars Realm And I did not feel that Coming off the screen yet I didn't feel that like he can be The character that A whole movie will revolve around in terms of in live action.

Yeah, I mean, I've already said it. I think you guys are tripping. I think like, just hearing his voice along and all was like, all right, I'm locked down. Let's get this thing cracking. But I do think it's important to remember that, you know, he's more of a Thanos than like a whiplash. You know what I mean? Like, in this season of Asoka, he is like a villain, but they're building him to be a bigger villain in the Star Wars universe going forward.

Right. And so for him, like showing up this episode, and I think the next couple episodes, you know, it's going to be a little setup, right, of his plan and what he ultimately, his ultimate goals, what he wants to do. He mentions getting to the next galaxy. Like, that's step, that's plan A,

that's step one. After that, what's step two? Right? And I think we'll find that out later. This right now, I think in terms of like the villains, Baylon, the night sisters, the grandmothers, all that. I think those are who

come first in terms of, all right, here's what we got to get rid of now versus Thrawn, right? They're just setting up, seating him. So when we get to that big, it's the empire movie, we have a fully fledged, you know, scary villain that all our heroes can fight against. I think he's got to contextualize it. But he's not scary, though. See, that's the thing about Grand Admiral Throne. He's not.

I don't think right now he needs to be. No, but he's, okay, but look, he's. So this is the thing. Even the Thron that's in Rebels is a little bit different than the Thron that you read, right? But Thron is a completely different villain than Vader or Sheaf Palpatine. He's like totally different, right? So Chief Palpatine, dread emperor, like absolutely zero redeeming character. genius, force,

like the most force sensitive person in the galaxy, maybe him, Anakin Skywalker, whomever, whatever. All of those things, just this ball of evil, this gigantic manifestation of bad, like just totally bad, right? Vader is an evolution of that, not an evolution of that, or a smaller version of that.

He's succumbed to, that almost, right? So they're kind of in the same category. Thrawn isn't that at all. The thing that makes Thrawn so formidable is he's pragmatic. So he looks sometimes like scary. He's blue-blue skin, red eyes, the whole

nine, but he's not a fearsome villain. He's not a scary villain. And that's why it's a particularly tough villain to pull off in live action because he's hard to sneer at. Like you don't really, you're not really supposed to

sneering him, the decisions that Thrawn makes, he really makes them based upon what he thinks is number one best for winning. And also, like, he has this grand sort of vision of the galaxy. Now, it's different now because the empire is gone. And we have to figure out what it is that he wants now. But I'm not going to compare it too much to legends because I know that it's going to be different.

But Thrawn isn't, like, supposed to be like a fearsome villain. You know who has gone energy? He's supposed to be a formidable villain. But I didn't get that. Like when Hans shows up in Glorious Bastards, like that is a level of just like, immediately when that character shows up, you're just like,

this character is smarter than everyone. I'm afraid at how, at how formidable they are just by like walking in and knowing the score. And I did not, that's something that I know is in Thron. I just didn't feel it. And I think it might just be the disconnect between like the visuals and like the cartoon.

And obviously I know that like Lars like voiced the cartoon. It's nothing really against. It was just weird. It looked weird. Even the eyes like the eye, the eye contacts. I'm like, yo, what are we fucking doing? Like I don't know. I don't know.

I think that I could understand the disconnect. But at the same time, like the one thing about the show is that it hasn't done a great job of. you know, connecting people to rebels if they haven't seen rebels, right? I think we can all agree. Like, if you haven't seen rebels, you're kind of out of loss at some of these things. But we have, right? The four of us have. And we know what Thrawn's deal is.

You know, Van, you've read the books. And for us who have seen the show, we know that if you think you're ahead of Thron, that's not true at all. He's two, three steps ahead. Like, you're, like, you think you have a step up. You don't. Right. And so coming into the show,

we know what, like, what his skill is. We know what it took for Ezra to be able to get rid of Thron. And there was something so crazy, so outlandish. I mean, to be fair, he is letting a 20-year-old run circles around him on a deserted planet. So I don't really, like, you know? I don't know how smart throwing is. I don't, he let her go, bro. No, no, no, no, no.

I'm not even talking about Sabin. He's not talking about Sibati. He let, like, I'm not. just like this motherfucker is still alive, that's one Jedi. He didn't, like, he wasn't even, he didn't even train at the Jedi Temple. Ezra's, like, Ezra, dope. Don't get me wrong. But like, you let him up, like, not only in rebels, did you let a kid?

Like, dog, that's, that's the one thing I can never square. I'm like, we still know what happened, though. Oh, you talk about, you talk about in rebels, though. I'm talking about both. In rebels, I'm just like, dog, you really got one up by like a fucking teenager. And now they're on this planet. And then, like, you're starting to kill Desra? supremely adept in the force.

Come on. Wait. Wait. It's one. It's one Jedi, though. You mean Ezra, like connecting with the pergals and being like, hey, I'm going to sacrifice my life, take you, your ship and your men to a galaxy far, far away, unknown to the reaches of anybody that I know and sacrifice myself.

And you're like, man, Thorne got packed up by Ezra. I mean, that's tough. villains are built different. You're insane. That's just, I'm just going to I'm just being backed up by teenagers.

That's what I'm saying. I will say grand Amarral throne is a different type of villain and it will be interesting to see in a Star Wars live action context

whether or not people get the same villainous energy from him. And he'll have to do some fucked up shit. He'll have to do some fucked up shit. I just,

I really, encourage people to go out and, like, read a little bit about the character because I don't even think he's a villain in the book. I just think he's against Luke Leah Hahn and Marjade and who's with her at first, but, like, Talancourt and all those people. I don't even think he's a villain. Like, I really don't. I just think he's a smart motherfucker that works for the empire.

But I will say that, like, you know, I watch them a couple of times. I watch them, you know, I'm watching them. I'm like, he's just kind of like. you know, sometimes it seemed like a nigger in a throwing costume. I mean, I'm just, I'm not, I'm just keeping it weird. First of all, you guys are going to be mad at me now

because this was my favorite episode of Asoka. All right. That's cool. That's cool. It was. This was my favorite, this was my favorite episode of Asoka. This was my favorite one.

You're fucking high. It was the Crab boys that got you. The Crab boys got you. This was my favorite episode of Crap people. Crabbe people. people. Let me tell you, but it was my favorite episode of Osaka. But if I'm being honest,

it was like, yeah, it's like, you know, he comes out, he was looking, I'm like, it's funny. It's funny. It's funny. Anybody got anything else before we got out? I mean, he did look like that motherfucker from what's that, Frankie Munes and Amanda Barnes movie? Big fat liar. Yeah, he looked like that nigga for big fat liar. If we be real. Oh, yeah.

Like, yeah, if we'd be in real, he did look like that. And y'all know it was it's it you know what it was a great episode. Oh man. I'm crazy disrespect. More from Thrawn. How much we want to bet? Are we going to bet by the end of the season we get into like a reboot? Like are they going to tease like a we reboot stars?

We're done with that's more. Wait, wait, wait. What if that's what that's what bailing is trying to do? What if bailing his whole plan is to stop the sequels, the sequel trilogy for happening? That'd be hilarious. Bro, you know my fucking motto. Let the sun rise and decanonize. You know my motto.

Like you like decanonize, baby. Fuck them shits. Like you're being for real, man. You're being like if by the end of the saga, they're just like forget about that sequel trilogy. Oh, fuck them shits, bro. I'm good with it. Fuck them shit, bro.

I'm serious. Wait, what on? Bro. No, man. The sequel trilogy, but it's Dave Filoni. Right?

Okay, bring it back. Like, that's cool. Like, I, they could have done... All right. Let's wrap up. No.

No. They could do, bro, they could do, they could do air to the empire and, like, really bring back all the people and they could recat.

They could bring the nigger who played a Han Solo. They could re, they could recast. Y'all hi, bro. I'm into re. He cast and Luke Skywalker, by the way. Because look, I'll say one thing before we go.

At some point, it's not going to make any sense for Luke Skywalker not to be involved in any of this. It just will be stupid. But at some point, either in this gigantic movie or in one of these shows, there's going to have to either be an explanation or a narrative exploration into where Luke is and what he's doing. I know he started another Jedi school. but that is not going to stop Luke Skywalker

or it shouldn't stop him from igniting that lightsaber and getting busy while the fate of the universe is busy killing. If they recast Luke Skywalker, I'm into it. This shit will be burnt to the ground. Like the wars that will be fucking waged on get this motherfucker out of here.

Like, duh. Like I don't. You don't think Star Wars fans are going to pick whatever person like apart. I frankly, I disagree. I think it'll be great. They sent up Alden-Inerick for being Han Solo. No, but here's the thing, though.

What do you think they'll do to Luke? Yeah, for real. And that was Han. What do you think they're going to do to Luke? First of all, he was I. Right? Respect Alden and Arroy. Hey, no. It wasn't his fault. It's not his fault. Not his fault. Here's the thing. You can't go through the D-Aging thing forever, right? It's just not what it's going to do.

I don't want them to D-H forever. I don't. It's just like, I don't think there's an actor alive who can handle that, like that level of scrutiny. I just really don't. Man, I think they could. I think Sebastian Stadak could. Man was winning a soldier. See? He also too small.

Nah, that nigga looked too good. That nigga, we ain't doing that kind of shit. No, we got to get up. And Tommy and Pammy or whatever it was called off. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Put up a little black. So Winter soldiers.

So Lucas How old at this point? is in his late 40s probably yeah Luke is it his late 40s no fucking 10 years not like mid 40s early 40s She's in her No she's in her late 40s

She's in her late 40s Yeah I'd say 30s Yeah he 10 years past Return to the Jedi Says Luke's age and return to the Jedi Was 23 Right

So he's like 33 Yeah so he's yeah So he's not that not that far You know so Luke He's it is a greegeous that like Luke really out here just not doing shit. Like, Thron's about to come back. Just viving.

And he's just viving. Sipping margaritas on that island. That blue milk, baby. Also, just to let y'all know, I don't want to dip into Legends canon too much. But, you know, they treated all of these people like shit. Like, they treated Skywalker like shit. Like, they weren't into Skywalker being the Nick. When they got new people in, they started fucking over Leah.

They started fucking over Skywalker. Walker. They really was a bunch of bureaucratic. They're not as bad as the people in the thing, but like, you know, Luke was kind of on the outskirts. They always wanted to do other stuff. Luke started training layers, a Jedi, and then it stopped. A bunch of shit was going on. So maybe Luke is mad at the New Republic. Maybe he's like, fuck y'all. I already came out there and helped y'all once. I'm not doing it again. Y'all out there with the blue nigger that looked like he a plumber. Oh, my God.

Jesus Christ. I'm trying to make you guys let's go. Let's go. Let's go. We're done. I almost said he looked like he ate the blue gum and Willie Walker. Yeah, so it's guys, we love it. I like it. Y'all tripp.

It's a great time. It's a fun episode. Even, Charles, everyone, we're having a great time with the show. The show's great. Okay, we just make a fucking kill me. Like, I know. You didn't even say nothing crazy.

Shut up! Like, you can't even say nothing crazy. We were just talking about it. Like, you were very, we talked about it in a holistic way. Okay. Now, look, that's enough. That's a wrap. We're out of here.

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Steve, just give them a couple of games real quick. Spider-Man. Excuse me. Assassin's Creed. A bunch more. The fucking got that COVID? The fuck around with you. No, no.

They're going around. Yeah, it is. Get your boosters. Get your boosters. Yeah. Hold on. They said, wait more. They said,

no, no, bro. They said that, uh, they said that thrall look like Tobias bloop off a rest of development, man. Hey, it's not funny. He looked at it. He looked at it. He looked good.

Bro, why we like this, bro? Why do we like this as fans? It's fine. Okay. But it's fine, bro. He's the blue bag, greek. And he was throwing came out in that bitch. I was like, shit.

It's fine, bro. They do got, they got me something about the wig, though. That way, that wig is terrible. That way is terrible. Throne. Yeah. Like, me and Thron guy go a turkey together,

though. Jesus. We gotta go a turkey together. They can't do my mother like that. Like, it'd be crazy if like, like, like, broad,

he just comes back like in the next episode. And that shit is all the way up there. Some scabs on the top of his head. Or Thorn, throw on come back in the next episode. You got a ponytail? He's like,

what? It just grew back. It's all fine. He'll come back with two headbands on. Right. Two of joints. Next week, more.

Mara Soka with the Midnight Boys. Next Friday, Middiction comes back. Jess, Jomi and Steve, the premiere of GenV. Our producer is Steve, The Architect Alman.

Jomi at dinner on on socials, hashtag, Jomi all up in a whale's mouth. We'll just do that again. We'll run it back. An additional production from Arjuna, Ramgapal. Charles, take us out.

The look of Grand Admiral Thrawn, blew me away and Dave Filoni sure can't be beat and the Midnight Boys will always be the show bringing you you're me

so I don't know why I just thought about this so like we know that Jedi you know growing up as Petowans had the braid right what you think Mace

had a braid too like or was it like cornrows and he had a braid and he just like you know could have been here's the thing we don't know know if he was always bald like that.

That's what I'm saying. I mean, we just learned that he came from, he came from the most racist planted alive. So the jungle planet of Injaku. Like, in the comments, bro, I'm saying, bro, I'm telling you, bro. When you think about the phone, when you think, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm just saying, man, all just aside, all just aside, when you think about it,

black can weirdly get fucked up in this content, but. Like, we do, bro. We get fucked up in this content, bro. We do. Remember Jar Jar being people that had them motherfuckers break dancing? Like, it was Southern's man. Like, it was, we get fucked over, bro. Like, you see?

Jesus crazy. We do. They fuck over us. But we love them anyway. But we get fucked up in this shit.