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Episode Date: October 4, 2023

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Shut the fuck up. Okay. We do the same pod. We're doing a podcast here, Charles. This isn't a Charles Holmes victory. You know what, fuck it. Let's just go ahead and get right into it. You know, like, you know, Loki coverage in full effect.

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Assassin's Creed Mirage and revisiting 2018 Spider-Man. On today's show, we are discussing the season finale of Asoka. Yeah, it was the last

episode of Asoka. and we're going to be spoiling everything that has happened in Star Wars up to this day. You know what? No cuteness. Don't really need to tell you what we're spoiling. Don't really need to tell you all of that. You guys know. Run the spoiler warning, please.

We're getting ready to talk about you're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. So we get our reactions. We have to put you in the next. No, we do that every single episode, and the only way to put you in the know is for Charles Holmes to give you the Midnight Manifest. Chuck, take it away. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for the season finale of Asoka, the Jedi, the witch, and the warlord directed by Rick Famuia, written by Dave Filoni.

Thrawn's witches turned Morgan into a full-fledged Dathamir witch and give her the plate of Towsing on Assoca's ship. Ezra completes the new lightsaber with the help of Twang, who gives him the same type of emitter, canaan used. Asoka and Sabine reconcile for some reason, and the Jedi basically says that she's going to support her Padawan the same way that Anakin did her. And then, unfortunately, the trio are attacked by two Thai fighters sent by Thrawn, and in, once again, a very inexplicable reason, Sabine flies the ship directly into the Thai fighters.

Thrawn sends a horde of night trooper zombies and Morgan to stop the three Jedi from crashing their party. Asoka decides to deal with Morgan while Ezra and Sabine fight two zombie darktroopers. It's here that Sabine learns how to use the force and pulls Ray from The Last Jedi, killing somebody. Then inexplicably, again, Sabine uses her new force powers to push Ezra damn near a mile so he can board the departing Star Destroyer. Then Asoka, with the help of Sabine, defeats Morgan. But Thrawn ship departs before they can board it, and now the duo plus Wang are stranded. Then Ezra unites with Hera. Bealin stands in front of a statue of Mortis in the sun, remember him.

And then Thrawn and the witches head to Dathamere. Of course, Anakin looks at Asoka and Sabine preparing for a new life as they are stranded in this galaxy. And that is your midnight manifest for season finale of Asoka. Okay, we're going to get into our reactions now to Asoka episode 8. Now look, Charles, I'm going to challenge you on this podcast, not to make it about yourself. Not to make it about myself. Play team ball. I want you to play team ball.

That's all I'm asking. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, fuck the team ball. The whole thing, I'm a whole way. Wait, wait, wait. You're looking like Jimmy Butler with the fucking emo haircut. I'm asking you. Don't let me on the fucking bench. I was on the bench this entire fucking season.

How are you on the bitch? Wait a minute. How are you on the bitch? You are on the bitch? I'm just challenging you. Y'all started every single podcast like, let's be positive. What are our positive thoughts? No, no, no, no.

Whoa, whoa. That shit. Let's fucking go. The monster is unleashed, baby. Okay. See, this is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. It wasn't about.

that. We were starting off with what we liked. I'm not going to do that this time, but I'm just challenging you, Charles. Why aren't you doing this time, Ben? I'm not doing it this. I mean, there are the things to like, but you're raring to go. So I'm going to give you a clear out, get your shit off. But I am going to challenge you as your pal here

to not make it about yourself. Charles, the floor is yours. Cook. Hey, you know. I saw the whispers. I did. Muffin's talking real greasy about your boy. I saw that shit, okay?

But where there's smoke, there's fire. And Coke may be chuck in the long run is rarely wrong. Because goddamn, what did we just watch? The moment I saw Sabine force push, Ezra, I was like, yo, you know what? Let's wrap it up. Let's wrap it up. I knew it. We were here all long.

Jomey is destroyed. Just like, y'all should see Jome right now. Jomey is dejected, man. I feel so bad for Jome. Jome, like Jome is wearing his Asoka Mickey Mouse ears.

Jome is, he's got his lightsaber. At the Spotify office tonight. Jome is destroyed. His eyes are water. Jome. You know, Charles, keep going. Before I continue,

Jomey, please. You, like, I need to let, the people need to hear you because you really look distraught right now. man, you know, you wake up every morning and, you know, you think like, it's going to be a different day. You know, today is going to be different. And it's not. It's not.

It's the same, same type of bullshit you've been dealing with your whole life. And I was, I mean, yeah, I mean, look, there are things to like in this episode. I'm sure I will talk about some of the stuff I enjoyed. But frankly, if I'm being completely honest, I mean, the moment of the moment. Sabine forced, like, used to force and took the saber. I was ready to turn that shit off. I was like, this is like, what are we doing? I'm serious.

Like, we deserve better. We deserve better. Okay, so just to be transparent with the audience, um, not the Midnight Boys' favorite episode of television. Okay. Now, this is what we're going to do. Woo! What we're going to do right now.

Don't put the monster in the cage, though. He's out. I'm not putting, I'm not putting. Don't put the monster back in the cage. Whoa, first of all, chill out. Because the way that sounds is crazy. That sounds like something that you say when you're in, girl, look, don't put the masts in the cage. He's out.

Yo, wow. That just sounds like. Oh, come on. That sounds like the type of shit that you would say, by the way. Okay, so look, this is, I'll do this. So I'll take the burden of talking about this episode. First of all, it's not the absolute worst episode I've ever seen. It's not.

Of course not. No. No, of course not. I was disappointed with the episode. I'm not even going to bullshit you, right? And I also think that part of this has to do with this longstanding disappointment and trepidation that surrounds season finale's of Disney Plus content, whether it be the Marvel content that we've seen, the MCU content that we've seen, which outside of Loki,

I'm not sure if we've gotten a really enthralling or even competent season finale. You guys didn't like the Moon Night finale? That wasn't my fucking shit. What the fuck? Are you thinking, shut up? Beetle boys? You didn't like that? Like, you know what I mean?

Whoa, did we get Vichon in the WandaVision season finale? That finale was bad, but it gave us a lot content. So the Wanda Vizance season finale wasn't bad from a story standpoint, but it was pretty fucked up from the way that it looked. It looked fucking crazy. It was it wasn't fucking good. What the fuck are we talking about?

The show was great. That wasn't the best part of the show. Anyway. And so this another thing, it's the same thing here. I went into this and expected it to be a little bit different and it kind of wasn't. But there are some things that I did enjoy.

There were some pretty cool action parts. The show still did. perfect the action. And I thought, you know, the night troopers were cool. That entire sequence was cool. It moved, it was pace pretty well, all of that stuff. But as far as what it had to do to like make this a really solid or should I say good, not even close to being great show, the finale had some work to do. And it just, I mean, I got to keep it real with you guys.

I know you guys have all kinds of problems when we're overly critical. I wouldn't be keeping it real if I said that the show did the work that it had to do an episode. It just didn't. It just didn't. So if I'm being real, though, if I'm being real, like, if I'm not, like, hyped up. Yeah. There was a deflating feeling. Like, after the credits rolled, I, like, fast forwarded to be like, is that it?

Are we going to get anything? Because I just felt this pit in my stomach where if this was just like every other Disney Plus season finale, it would be one thing. But there were so many choices that were made about this world, about character, that I just felt just was wrong.

It did not sit with me right. This entire season, we were like, all right, what's Bailin gonna do? What's Shane gonna do? What are these characters? Like, Bailen were, we're searching, we're searching,

and to just end like that on a, hey, guys, he's looking for a connection. with Mortis in the sun. Okay, sure, but what am I supposed to feel with that? I think similarly to Sabine, we were teased this entire season about her use of the force and what that would mean.

And we can talk about the technicalities of everything later, but for that not to hit emotionally is a failing of the show because so much of it was built upon. that. And I think Dave Filoni is way too talented of a creator to kind of drop the ball to this

degree during a season finale. It just left me wanting in a way. And I guess we're going to get in Asoka season two. But at this point, I'm like, do we even want it? And I know that's like rough to say.

But after leaving this, it was just I have a really bad taste about. I kind of feel like you have to have a season two. Because if you end up, it doesn't matter with it. No, no, no. I don't. I'm not saying, we have to have a season two. I'm more so saying, are we excited for a season two? I'm more so exhausted at the thought.

I want it. I mean, I need it. They have to do it. As a matter of fact, the dissatisfaction that I have with the finale almost necessitates the season two more than if they would have stuck the landing because, and that sounds really counterintuitive, but the reality is, is if. they would have gotten all of this stuff to the point to where I felt satiated by the story and everything that we had gone through,

then I might be saying, you know what, Asoka Works is limited, and they can just move on with whatever story they're trying to tell, with a greater saga they're trying to tell, going to Thron and God and all of this, blah, blah, all of this stuff's cool. Now, though, it feels like they told half a story. I mean, to your point, the bailant thing is grotesque.

I'll just be honest with you. It's grotesque. I feel like they thought that people would like cheer seeing a statue. And I'm like, it was cool to see the statue. But the reality of it is that Balin was, it just sometimes I wonder if they just ran out of gas. Like, Baylon was such an intriguing character. like a breath of fresh air to Star Wars, a force user with a different set of rules,

a different set of values, he was mysterious. In this world full of characters that we know so well, right? All of these people, we know their motivations, we know their triumphs, we know their tragedies, their traumas, all of that stuff, right? Baylon was a character that really represented some intrigue,

wonder, mystery, all those things. Like I said before, and we needed to understand something. Look, we needed something. I mean, we expect, it's not even an expectation that we would learn something more about bailing. I mean, it's almost like the story drug us to that point. And then they're barely in the finale.

Like, they're barely in it. Not even like, not even 20 seconds. Yeah, they both get how much screen time by the end? I was like, they got, they got. Amios. It's like they wrote themselves into a corner with this, but they didn't know what they wanted to do. I mean, even the battle with Assoca and Morgan, I'm just like, why is she having another fight with Morgan when Baylon is still out there? To me, it's just, I can't even, like, fathom the creative choice because, no offense, I don't care about Morgan that much, and I

cared about Baylon a lot more. So, to your point, then, maybe they just kind of box themselves, in and didn't know how they got out. I mean, I want to hear from Steve because my brother in negativity also seems very he doesn't seem very happy with this episode. Again, there are a couple of things to like about it. I think that the overall disappointment that we have is probably just the idea that

none of the things that we wanted to set up were paid off and it was mainly because of the best of the show that was trying to pay it off. It's not like we had our, it's not like we had our expectations run away with us. we were led astray. We were not the ones to, you know, overreach here. I just, I feel like the fact that Ezra's back home and nobody and like unceremonious.

Everybody's just like, this should be like parades in the streets. Chopper should be doing backflips right now. That was weird. I was that like that. Harrow should be elated. And I'm like, he's here. Oh, yeah, he's here. Like, I don't know.

There were so many things that felt like they needed to be more powerful for the sake of an actual emotional payoff. And any sort of at the behest of an action scene, we were robbed of any sort of emotional payout. The consequences for Sabine are not existent here. And I don't know if we want to how much time we want to dedicate to the trial of Sabine Renron. right now, but it certainly is going to be more than she ever got on the show. I mean, that part was, come on, Joam, you have to admit.

Not idea. That was a nothing conversation between Assoca and Sabine and I'm just like, I left that kind of despising Sabine as a character almost. It almost felt like, it almost felt like Ossoca was embracing nihilism at that point. You know what I mean?

No, here's what I'll say. I think, I can see what the show was doing. I see the vision in where, because Anakin and Asoka have kind of a relationship where Anakin, she said it, Anakin always had my back, no matter what. We were doing all types of crazy stuff. And at the end of the day, Anakin, you know, was my guy.

He always had my back. So in this moment, right, for me to become, you know, a better master, I'm going to treat you the way my master treated me. And despite the fact that what you did was insane, out of pocket, and could destroy the entire galaxy that we live in, I got to rock with you. I don't think Anna could say Walker would have let that slide. You know what I'm saying?

Now, if you don't rock with that, that's, that's with you, that's you. But I can see the, I can kind of see what the show was trying to do. Did it work? Ultimately, that's up to us. And we, I think we're not really seeing the vision there. But I can see what the show was trying to do. Thrawn shouldn't have been in the show. I 100% agree

He was wasted, not used properly. What do you think? Wow. I shouldn't have been in the show. The show, he was a second season villain to me. The show got caught up in trying to put all of those things in there, trying to cram in the Knight's sisters had a lot of work to do. You know, we always talk about Andor and how green Andor was and all of that stuff.

I'll be the one to bring up Andor, but remember, it was 12 episodes, right? And so being that it was 12 episodes, you know, and Gilroy probably knows the story that he was telling was 12 episodes long. You know, this one was eight as longer than some of the other ones that have been six. but at the same time, they bid off more that they could chew. Thrawn comes into the story and then for the amount of time

that he's in there, it's got to be all about Thron. Meanwhile, the other things that we're into watching, they just get suspended and they just fizzle out. And it just doesn't, it just,

first of all, the portrayal of Throne in this show is lacking. If we've been, hot and cold on it, but the reality is something needed to happen in this final episode to bring all that home. It's just facts. Something that, something needed

to happen in this final episode to bring all that at home. We saw some highs, but the reality is this needed to be a better episode of television than what it was. And it seems rather than finish the story off, they distracted us with a lot of Jedi action. And look, the action was fun. But the reality is that this show doesn't do action well enough for the action in the show to carry a whole episode. The action is fun.

It's fine. But it's not enthralling enough, thrilling enough, or wowing enough for it to carry an entire show. You need action plus. And they just didn't get it done. They just kind of didn't get it done. To me, there are questions, but they're not like questions to where I'm like, oh, my God, what happens now? The questions are more like, really?

You know what I mean? So I, it's not the worst, but the fact that seven and eight here were kind of, it kind of ended on a whimper. It really blunted some of the momentum that the show had, built up by those with those middle episodes. It really did. That's just a fact, man. So can I ask this, though, with the action,

I think what was lacking more for me, like I did not like how a lot of the action was staged, but what I think heard it more for me was that there was no emotional payoff for a lot of the action. Like, okay, cool. Asoka, Sabine, and Ezra fighting a bunch of night troopers who are resurrected by the witches of Dathir. What am I supposed to feel about that?

Similarly, the first time Sabine really, really uses the force. I mean, maybe when she was opening the door, but I found that very, very funny. She's not doing shit. But, like, there was, I was wondering the whole time, I'm like, what emotional connection does Asoka have to Morgan? In the same way, like, what emotional connection do Ezra and Sabine have to these two dark troopers who are Zomani?

now. They're fighting, but it's like they're fighting jobbers. It doesn't really mean anything. And especially what you have Baylon and Shin

right there who represent the opposite or at least something more interesting that you can subvert and you can, there can be a battle of wills,

but instead they're like, here, fight a bunch of non-characters who don't want or desire anything. The night, the night soldiers

man, Look out of cool. I ain't going to lie when it was coming back to life. I was like, oh. That was neat. I think when the dude took the stab with a lightsaber

and then just like smacked his face. Yeah. I was like, oh, okay. Look, it was fun. Some of those battles were fun. Ezra and Sabine against the two. We're not even,

that was fun. That's part of the episode, man. What? In the beginning, when, um, when Ezra is building his lightsaber. That was saying,

and they talk about, uh, Canaan. And, their relationship and you see how like it affects it being even to the point where you see hugh yang gets out a piece of a for a lightsaber and he's like this is canaan can't had two of these said to keep one just in case somebody needed it or you know just in case and then as he used it to build his saber that was cool I love that I was like look at it all coming full circle

this is the first time we've really gotten to you know hear about canaan in this in this show I was like, all right. That's when I was the episode. I was like, hey, we got something. You know, hey, we might get cooking. And, you know, where do you get the chiber crystal? Don't worry about it. Also, remember when he said he didn't need it?

It's the force, guys. It's the force. By the way, I liked the portrayal of Ezra, but Ezra in this show is kind of not a character. Like, Ezra in the show is just kind of always smiling and going, what happened between you guys? You know? You mean like Ezra and Rebels?

not really. Not by a time, the, see? Not by that, no, no, no,

not by the end. Not by the end. Not by the time. Not by the time, we got to know Ezra. Like that was, Ezra had this profound sense of duty,

this connection to the force, all of this. And I'm not, look, I'm just saying, I've enjoyed the show. I really have. They really,

in a real way, need to seriously lock in on the finalies of these shows, man. They have got to do a better job. I'm just being for real, they have got to do a better job with the finales of these shows because you take a show that has the potential to be a good show

and you make it a mediocre show and then you take a mediocre show and you make it into some of the worst shit that we've ever fucking seen, which is what happened with Secret Invasion. It's just got to do a better job with these finals. They do. I've been do a better job, man.

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That was a cool. I mean, that was a cool fight. Morgan's sore when it was a, the night, the great mothers were making sword. I was like, yo, that's, that's kind of cool. I'm like,

get this going against a saber? And it did. I was like, all right, they locked in. I was tight. Knight sister magic was cool. Yeah.

Thron is working with the night sisters. They go to dad. There's so many things and questions that we still have. Wait, really quick, though, which is a Dathir? Do the Witches of Dathir have like a Jedi problem where every story is just like, all right, all the witches of Dathir are dead? And then you be playing a video game that's like, yo, there's one witch of Dathamere left. And then you watch another show and be like, oh, there's three more of these. And I'm like, yo, what are we fucking do?

But it's kind of like Uttan clan members, right? It's like, you forget how many are on there. You think you know all the Wu-Tang Clan members. And then somebody goes, no, I'm in the Wu. And then you're like, you're not in the Wu. And then they go, no, I'm from the Wu-Tang East Coast Killer Bee faction of Brooklyn base. And I'm like, what? Yeah.

And then you're like, nah, I'm from the killer army. From adjacent. And you're like, that's Wu, that's Wu. And I'm like, oh, cool. So there's always somebody hanging on. It was a nigga in Baton Rouge. You used to say that he was down with the Wu-Tang-Tang killer. a army. Stop. I swear.

And then he had pictures with him and Riza. And it was him and Riza and they was in Florida. I'm like, are you for, I was like, yo, bro, is that a thing of Kio actually in the Wutank? They're like, I feel like we would know that. But it's bad Wu-Tang killer affiliates like all over the world. And so maybe there's like just witches adapt to me. It's just out there in a while, bocined witches that just get trained in a while. I don't know.

I mean, on a serious note, did we? need a little bit more on the relationship between Thron and the witches to make sense? If the question is did we need a little bit more, Charles? The answer is yes. The first time I was wondering, I was like, why are they just not only listening to him, but almost worshipping him? Because

everything that I've seen of the witches of Dathamere, especially in Clone Wars, this is not, these are not characters. that are going to bow down to anyone and especially a man. And I just want to know what are their relationship to Thron?

And especially when Morgan goes away, we see it then. Like Morgan, on ascending Morgan to her death. And she's just like, Bernathamir, okay. It's like, what? I mean, that's like the slow affirming of her cause.

Of her deal. Yeah. Yeah. But honestly, though, what we really need it, which is why the seasons need to be longer, they really have to be longer, guys. We needed a whole episode

on the 10-year period that Ezra and Thron were on Peridion. We needed a whole episode. We needed a whole episode of how, that explained how Thron met the witches, why his troops were so loyal to them,

how they made it through. We needed a whole episode on that. Just break it out and talk about it flashback from I mean and look I didn't think that we needed it while it was going on but looking back on it there's just too many holes in it

it just doesn't make it it leaves you with too much like these are factions Thorne always has like a powerful force user in his pocket if you know anything about the character he always uses a powerful force user or somebody that has like you know special powers and all of that for people who read the books

in the books, they talked about the fact that it was actually Emperor Palpatine who would use his force powers to like manipulate things in war and change the odds and make sure that this fleet would win and they would do all kinds of stuff. So Throne went out looking for a really powerful force user that could do kind of the same things that Palpatine could do. So he's always had those people around, but you've always been able to kind of understand why he had those allegiances and those alliances, and here you just didn't. And for the show to end like this without really exploring that anymore, it's just kind of,

it's like something else. They just kind of went, ah, fuck it. There you go. Just stuff happening with no real story behind him was the whole deal. I mean, if you take that one step further, was even what we learned about Thron and Ezra and this 10-year period interesting? because they tease us very early on in the season with, this is an uncharted galaxy.

People have been there ages ago, but this is new to us as viewers. And it leaves you with like, oh, man, this is going to be so much wonder and awe. And we get there and that shit looks like Earth. And all we know is that Ezra's been running around with the beetleborgs, which is like cute.

But knowing how, knowing how smart and capable Thron is and how powerful Ezra was, I feel like we needed a little bit more of not only what were they up to, but something that is a propelling story,

not just they were waiting around until the story got back to them again. And that's how I felt. Like, Vlone did not, like maybe he's thought of it, I don't know, but it very much felt like they haven't been doing anything since we last saw them. Until Asoka got here.

For all we know, Ezra was literally sat on that ground, on that patch of grass, waiting for Sabine to show up. That's how it felt. So let's talk about the biggest quarter flip. Oh, no. Maybe even a bigger quarter flip.

Oh, Jesus. We might need to change the name. It might become force push now. Oh, this is the biggest quarter flip in midnight place history. I don't think there's any, there's any. There's any denying it. I really don't.

I don't think, I mean, this is the most gigantic quarter flip. I want the audience right now, want the audience right now to think of and put together their own lists. Well, before we continue, Van, can you describe to maybe some of our newer listeners who have been around where quarter flipping comes from what we mean when we say quarter flip? Okay, so in the Hawkeye series, Kate Bishop was with Clint Barton. and Clint Barden, who is Hawkeye, who never misses, he took a quarter and he flipped the quarter to turn on a television set. He flicked it and turned on a television set with it.

Kay Bishop tries it a couple of times and then she does it. My only fucking problem with that was that to me, just having her flip the quarter after trying it a couple of times and have it turn on the television is story malpractice. You got to show her practicing, practicing, and then at the end she knows how to do it.

It was a montage, but keep going. It was a montage, but still, though, she learned it not saying nice. We're not going to re-ligate this. But it makes no sense, right? So whenever a character exhibits a skill that it seems like they didn't earn or that they just wrote in there

for plot purposes, that's called quarter-fliping. It's a quarter flip. How did they do it? How could they do that? You're quarter flipping. You're flipping your motherfucking ass off. And I'm sorry. For someone who couldn't do anything,

she picked up her lightsaber, fine. I'm cool with it. I'm actually okay with that. Yeah, yeah. She was, no, she was like, that's a feat where it's like, I get it. I can let that slide.

I was like, whatever. The push, though, here's the thing. She did not know how to use the force a couple days ago. she exhibited absolutely fucking nothing. And call from Asoka.

She was just like, huh? Yo, she didn't know how to, she didn't know how to use the force a couple of scenes ago. When they're in that goddamn fight, like, they're blocking blasterbolts with their lightsabers and she can't do

what Asoka says, bring out your blasters. Osoka says blasters because she's getting, she can't use the force. I feel like she didn't, maybe not that scene, but later she does.

When they're walking up steps. So look, she always knows, by the way, blocking your fucking shit with a blasterbolt is one thing, but it's also pretty fucking hard to put your goddamn hand up and block it with your best car. That's how that's pretty hard as well, right? Yeah. But like, so what I'm saying is to go from that to a really advanced force move, which

is hurling a person, pushing a person, all the way up to a thing. I don't know, man. It's got like 10 stories, by the way. Let's put it in context. That is one of the most probably advanced force techniques that we've really seen in live action. You have to think about it.

Well, no, Leia in Last Jedi was pretty famous. No, what I'm saying is from someone who did not know how to use something, like even Luke does not do that shit. You know what I mean? Like Ray in the fucking Force Awakens, she's not fucking pushing people.

She was doing crazy shit though. She was. She was doing an entire body across the air. She was resisting a really well-trained Jedi's fucking mind-control. But she's also a wall. She's also a Palpatine. Oh, she's ridiculous. You know what I'm saying?

Sabine is, what are we talking about? I don't even know her mid-clory gown. I'm not trying to say- Her mid-cloid got it's zero, Charles. It's fucking. Zero. No. Doug?

Kuyang was like, bruh, if they brought you to the Jedi temple, we would send you home. You don't have the talent. You don't have the skill. You don't have the innate capacity to be a Jedi.

And yet here we are in episode eight. And she's throwing people across the world with force. Also, also, also. Charles, yashi, we should, this is another, this is another vote for having video. because you guys

seeing Jomey lose it with the Asoka he's so pressed mouse ears on right now I mean it's fucking hysterical It's like I don't

I just frankly like breaks canon for me like I can't take Star Wars seriously after this Like I'm dead ass I'm dead ass This is ridiculous Right

We spent how many 30 40 fucking years With Star Wars right And it's like Hey some people have the force Some people You know everybody The force is in all living things

Some people have Like, real access to it. Most people don't. It's fine. It's cool. Let's cook. What we just saw right there, anybody can use the fucking force if they want.

Fucking Mando season four, have fucking dinn. Start, you know, practicing with sabres and fucking pulling, pulling shit. You know what I mean? Like, every single character, Hans Solo. You know, bring back soul to- He probably is force-sensitive, though. But, I mean, the thing was, and maybe this is me riding the show, a little bit. I'm thinking,

nah, fuck that shit. We're out of here now, nigger. We all know what fuck that shit. Strike is over. Right of rooms are open. Yeah, about to say, we ain't going to strike over. We, fuck that shit. Fuck all of that shit. That shit is done. Now, I hope y'all enjoyed that little trope for the last four or five weeks because that bitch

is getting put in the pocket now, nigga. Fuck that. I'm watching. Like, Sabine is such an awesome character on our own. As a man in Lawrence, he's such a badass. she doesn't need to be a force user at all. It doesn't do anything for her character. She can understand that she doesn't need to use the force.

Especially if we were going to find Ezra again. Especially if we were going to get three episodes of Ezra. Sabine had Sabine's journey to see Ezra is way more interesting, way more grounding, and way more relevant to her character than her journey to use the force by the time it happened, it was stupid. Well, can I ask you all this really quick, though? Because I don't want to skip over it.

Does that moment also undermine everything that they were telling us about Ezra? Because Ezra's been stuck on this planet for 10 years. And when we meet him, they're basically being like, he's like, I don't need a lightsaber, like the force is my ally. Until the next episode when you do need one. And then the next episode, it's Sabine, quite literally had no connection to the force, could barely use it.

She's convincing Ezra in that moment. Hey, trust the force. You got, like, I got this. Wouldn't Ezra know, like, why is Ezra doubting the force when in the previous episode, he was just like, dog, the force is so dope. I, like, literally can dispatch all these people. Okay. Well, let me tell you why.

Because Ezra wasn't in the writer's room. because he realized that there was no fucking reason that she should have been able to push him across the thing. So Ezra, so she's going, she's going, I'll push you. Ezra's like, what? You all crack. I mean, in the beginning of the episode,

Asoka, when like the fucking their ship is falling, Asoka don't even bother asking Sabine for help. She's like, yo, Ezra, I need some help. Like, that was the level of in the episode. Even Asoka is just like, dog. And then a couple minutes later, she's like, Sabine. we need help with this door.

I'm like, if she can't lift the fucking ship, then how is she going to help with the door? I genuinely laughed my ass off when, like, this is like sort of change in the challenge to that, but when they were getting attacked by those tie fighters and she just flies the ship into them and then crashes, and then everybody acts like it's just fine. The hold of move,

the hold of maneuver minus a thousand. Just completely. She just shrugged, like, yep, whatever. All right, move on. You just threw a pick six. I think Sabine help out with the door was kind of just vibes and I was cool for that because I'm like, oh, I was cool. Like, I was like, come on, be serious.

Like, we, for real. She's assisting two other people. Like, I loosened the pickle jar for you. And by the way, that that scene was cool. Like, raining fire. Yeah. Like Thanos. Sucks that they missed every single shot, but okay.

Well, for me, they're trying to hit force users who are probably anticipating the blast that are coming down and doing all that kind of stuff and whatever. So it's like, for me, it's fucking fine. This is if like we were watching like, you know, like they said they gave us like a fourth season avatar and they they made soccer a water bender. That's the same shit. That's the same shit. Couldn't agree. I know you're talking about it, gentlemen.

Could not agree more. It's ridiculous. Like she like her character works without her being. See? See? Like it's completely, I don't know, man. It just. Yeah, man.

It's just like, I don't know, man. It takes everything I know about this universe and turns out on his head. Like, yeah, I've said it. We could just have any character decide, hey, I want to access the force. I want to use the lights here, but let's go. You know what I mean? After, again, the series was like, look,

you don't, Sabine, you don't have the skills. You don't, the mid-a-corac count is high enough. It's cool. You can keep a push. I thought, you know, Asaqa would just be nice. And one thing I will say is that they do talk about why Asoka left Sabine, you know, seeing what happened to her home. And knowing what happened to her master,

her teaching Sabine could lead to something terrible going down the line. You know, I know what happens when people who are upset, people who lose things get this power, they become dangerous. Don't tell me. Don't tell me, show me. Which is fair. Which is fair. Again, like, one of the things I can see what the show was trying to do

and I can understand it. Was it executed probably? Probably not. But in terms of, okay, I can see the vision. That's one of the things that I'm cool with, all right? bet. But to just like go and say, all right, cool. She's, again, what was it?

Episode two, or episode two, you don't have the count. We wouldn't put you on the Jedi, the floor. You wouldn't make, you want to make the college team. You don't make the JV team. You want to make the freshman team. All right? We're not bringing you to the Jedi Temple. You don't have it.

To her now pushing Ezra across the sky in, what, seven episodes? Six episodes. Utterly ridiculous. Just completely unsurious. While we're on the force, can I just bring up something? Y'all are going to kill me for bringing this up. I really wish they would have left the father, son, daughter shit in the cartoons.

Like, I don't want to see that shit in live action. Tough. Season two, baby! You're fucked. You're about to see it. Let's be real. But, like, that was not my favorite episode of Clone Wars. in terms of it's fine for a cartoon.

I really don't like when they start explaining the force or just be doing too much. Let it be a mysterious thing. I'm very, very afraid if this gets a season two that we're going to get into that shit. I'm going to... I just want to bail on the idea of Soka getting a season two and I just want bailing's show.

And it makes me so upset because Ray Stevenson, rest and peace will not be with us again. to continue that journey. And I genuinely want to know what the fuck is going on. It's unfortunate. With him in his new journey to find out what the new origins

of the Jedi could be. This is my thing. A couple of things. Basketball analogy here. Do you know when you really know that a franchise has lost its weight? It's not when they are missing on players. It's when they actually draft a player

and they don't do anything with the player. And then a player goes, somewhere else, and they shine. That lets you know that there's so much dysfunction, and there's such a lack of talent at the top, that they can't recognize diamonds when they have them. Oh, we had this guy, he's somewhere else, and he's hooping. Well, either you have a bad system, you have a bad culture,

you have a bad whatever. Somebody else was able to get something out of this guy that you weren't able to get out of him. in a way how I feel about Balin and Shin. These were to me by far some of the most interesting characters

that we had in Star Wars in a long time. For all the reasons I named earlier, for all the reasons I named earlier, the whole internet, everybody's going crazy over these characters and how they're being played

what their connection is. And they just quit on them. For real, I'm not even bullshitting. They just quit on them. They just quit on them. And not even quitting a cool way. it would have been a different

if there's some kind of deal to quit she runs away he goes I must go and then all of a sudden one is by a mountain and then the other one's holding up she's the new leader of the fucking raider patrol

of Peridia fuck the Raiders like I don't even like you know what I'm saying so it's just there's like a lot of baffling things that are going on and by the way for all of the stuff that we got were thrown all of the time that we spent with them they didn't really write him in a compelling way.

It wasn't like it was... He kept losing, which made him less imposing. Every strategy he had ended terrible. You almost wonder if less thrown would have actually been, like, more, like I said before, it's like if it would have been better not to have had as much of them as what we did. It's just crazy. It's like, I don't know. It's just so much.

God damn it. Fuck. I mean... Sorry, man. Sorry. Wait, do you guys, I'm interested to ask you this. Are you,

do you guys think that they are going to start season two with Asoka and Sabine on this world? Because that's like a crazy choice in terms of, we spent an entire season trying to get Ezra in Thrawn. And the minute we get Ezra and Thrawn back, Asoka and Sabine are stuck. And I'm like, no, no, they're going to,

They're going to start Asoka and Sabine with a two-bedroom and Corrassan. No, nigger, that's what they had. Like, they, what I was asking, are they doing a, like, this is where Asoka has been, like, instead of dying, now her and Sabine are often in their own galaxy, and maybe they're not going to be in the Thron movie. No, they'll be in it. No, they'll be in it. Somebody will come back there because they could, I mean, the ship is still working.

They could, like, find. to pergo getting his mouth again and maybe get back they know how to get back. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. They're going to what again? Ooh. Daddy. How's that feel, man? Oh, feels great. The difference between me and you guys is

I don't have any shame. That's clearly, very apparent. Clearly. Very apparent. You guys are more. Bring back shame in 2023. You guys are three little moral orals and I'm just oral. No money.

I don't know what is more in serious, this episode of this podcast. What did they expect? What do they expect? This is the fucking Midnight, boys. This is what we do. You guys, there's a whole bunch of people that are listening to this right now. I was with y'all. The fucking thing that pissing me off more than anything is that...

Is that I'm right? Charles can be fucking Nostradamus by just continuously being fucking negative, right? and he's No, no, no, no, no, no. I see the content. And the content is so fucking fucked that he'll always be proven right because we're in a fucking right.

Wait, so not to step on. We kind of have to do a state of Star Wars pod now because there's so many questions after Mando and this. So not to step on, but like, is the Thrawn movie looking a little shaky now? because nothing about this. I don't know where you begin. Like the pieces on the board.

Like, what does it all mean now? I think we've had the discussion on the podcast at least once. And me and Van have had this conversation in person at least like three or four times. It depends on when the show comes out or the movie comes out, right? Because if the movie was coming out like next year, we'd be like, uh-oh, that's problematic. Right? But hopefully we can get like an Assoca season two, a man-no season four. you know,

tighten up a little bit of this stuff, you know, get Skeleton crew, get this thing coming a little right, and then have the movie drop. Is anybody going to give a fuck by the time that happens? Like if we're being wrong. And that's also part of the problem.

That's why it's like a double-edged sword, right? They kind of need time to get this thing right, but do they have it is the problem, you know? And Star Wars is kind of in this mode right now where they have to figure out, all right, do we prioritize getting the movie right or just getting it out or do we get the shows

to have the shows to give the movie time to get the story completely flown? Because obviously as we see there right now it's not really looking gel, right? So it's tough. They got a conundrum. That's Kathleen Kennedy. That's why she gets paid to big dollars, right?

To figure this kind of stuff out. And it's ultimately looking like we, I mean, the movie doesn't have a date, right? We're just in here speculating on something. So at the end of the day, they said that shit was, that shit was, they said that shit was coming out like 2027, bro. I'm going to have arthritis in both knees by the time that shit. You don't already? Nah, I'm a nigga, I'll, I do, see, Jomi?

See, once again, shots. Van is old. No, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, time out, that was ageism. That's fucked up. Yeah, see. That's fucked up. Coming out of his knees like that, that's fucked up. None of the rules coming at his knees.

Wow. None of the rules. Stop! Stop! Like. Take it back, Charles. Like adults, yo. Like, no, my.

I just want to let you guys know. None of the woke rules apply to me. You guys don't apply none of the rules to me. I get called everything. I get, you guys kink shame me, you aid shame me, everything. I get, none of the woke rules. You guys are only woke with each other. Like, you guys only apply to woke rules to one another.

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Cool. Good. Chopper new. Chopper's like Wolverine or Daredevil. He could tell, he could scan and know that it was Ezra. Wait, why did Ezra come off the ship with his helmet on? I was like, dog. He could have been shot down right away.

Yeah, they could have. If this is America, they would have shot his ass. Why would they even let him on the ship, though? Well, he must have communicated something. Right? Because when he's going in there, they have to open the deal up and they have to do something. Now, what I don't know is why you don't go when you're coming in there. Hey, it's me, Ezra Bridger. Or hail them, be like, it's me. It's Ezra.

Well, again, I mean, I guess, I'm trying to do some lifting for the show that I hate. I assume they're like, yo, it's a foreign vessel. But for some reason, they're like, hey, man, we'll let it on. We'll see what happens. Maybe he communicated it was Ezra. Maybe he was like, yo, I'm a friendly. Didn't say it was him. until he got there, he took his thing off

and they're like, oh, snap, you're actually... Putting hairs at this point. It's putting hairs at this point, right? Yeah. Okay, it was, we know why they did it. Exactly. So we can have a scene of Vera going, wow, it's Ezra

and some more member bears that you on. It's cool. It was fine. It was fine. It was fine to see. God damn it. No Zeb. Fuck you, Zeb.

Like, it is, it was fine. In a ditch. You know what else was fine? You know what else was fine? was fine. Y'all used up all your Anakin Skywalker Goodwill. The Force Ghost.

That's it. I told, all right. All right. It was used up. You've used up. It was, I thought it was going to, I thought it was going to be Canaan,

and then I would have really felt a certain way. But like, you've, you've used up all your Anakin Skywalker goodwill. We appreciate him. We love them. That's it, bro. I feel like if you didn't use him in the hollow

and just kept him in that one episode, and then this, I think that would have been nice. of the thing that would have been the sweet spot. But if we got him in the hollow, we got him in that episode and the end of this, three times.

No, because the episode was bad, Steve. So, I'd still, it still would have been like, wwop, it made me feel worse because I'm like, did they know they didn't have it? And then they put the horse goes in.

I did, I genuinely did like that. I will say that music was beautiful at the end. I really think that like the, this is why it's so great or why it could have been so great. Sabine sensed him. Sabine sensed him.

So, That's all that. Yeah, she says them. She's like, oh. But, like, she's, but Asoka sees her clear as dead. No, no, I was wondering if she, because, but then it does not make sense to me because Asoka is Asoka the white now. I would assume after her going into the world between worlds, talking to Anakin, this was her master.

She should probably able to be, like, sense the force ghost. How is Sabine who just wanted to use the? That's why I thought it was Canaan. She knew Canaan. She never knew Anakin, so why is she, how is she able to sense Anakin when Asoka can't? But the force goes can show up to anybody, can't they? Yeah, they can't. Why's the force go showing up to Sabine?

It's a weird retraction of her force sensitivity, by the way, because if she's able to, like, just push him up off the thing, you're just like, oh, what's that in the wind? You know, and this is my fault. This is my fault. Guys, Hans Solo is fort sensitive. Remember in Rock Skywalker when he was a Force Ghost, he showed up to Kylo? Oh, that's right. Exactly.

Anybody can do it. Everybody can do it. All you got to do is be, like, famous enough, and you could be a Force Ghost, too. I don't know if he came back. I don't know if he came back as a Force Ghost. It's debatable, but he wasn't, he wasn't blue, was he? I think that was some weird. It was on a blue planet, so we could have obfuscated a little bit.

Now I'm splitting there. No, I don't think it was a Force Ghost. Do all the Jedi come back is Blue Force Ghosts? Yes. like a Jedi skill. Yes. Wait, then how did Hans Solo come? Exactly.

Who gives a shit? It was a dream. It doesn't matter. Wait, wait, wait. It says, it says right here, Han Solo's Force Ghosts, the rise of Skywalker. I don't know.

Did Hans Solis after Force? Oh, he says here's the vision of Han is not a Force Ghosts. He said, Han didn't send that version. A Laia sent the version. Oh, for that's what it says. Oh, boy.

We can say a force go to each other now? Like a telegram? Like a DM? Force Ghost I sent you. Like, what the fuck? Nah, bro. Oh, my God. I don't think it was a Force ghost.

Han don't know how to do that. Han, I don't think Han... But now we clearly live in a Star Wars universe or anybody can access the Middocloreans aside them and become a super Jedi in minutes. Everybody's room boy! This makes me more mad for my boy, John Boyega, because they didn't give my man any force powers. Like, that motherfucker didn't give him anything.

Like, you letting Sabine have that shit? Like at least let Boyega like push some shit. He got the saber what twice in the Force Awakens? They were like, all right, cool it, my brother. You sit down right here, man. We go put you back. He got his ass whooped every time. Every single time.

Come on. And say, man, don't get me started. He spent the whole ninth, the whole ninth episode going like, guys, trying to tell everybody I'm forced sensitive. They don't let him say it. They don't want to let Black Jedi's be great. They don't want to let Black Jedi rule the system. It's all right.

Man, Finn picked that that fucking lightsaber up with Kyle O'Ren and got tended to quick. Fuck out of his. Which, yeah, right? That's how that's supposed to go. Kyle O'Ran should have said some racist shit to him. He definitely, I feel like he never, like, in real life. What would he say? What would Kyle O'Ren say to John Beaga giving you the floor, man?

Like, it's, look, what are you going to do with that lightsaber boy? What are you going to do? do with that, huh? Do they? Like, I said, this is for the dark side, not the dark people.

Oh, no. Do they like that you're in like this? Like, he sounds like a frat boy. That's how that nigger. That's how he sounds. That's how he sounds.

That's how he sounds. Do they have the N-Word of his place? Probably. But you know what? Let me tell you why I think they do. Let me tell you why I think they do. Because they say mad shit. And I wonder like how they say it.

Like, for example, there must be, you must be able to bond out in the Star Wars Galaxy. You must be able to bond out. You must be able to get arrested and then bond out. Somebody must be able to bail you out of prison. Because

Sabine says to her mount, she says, you bailed on me the last time. And I'm like, bailed. I mean, bail, like, you bail out of a plane. But yeah, but why do they, but why, do they not call it bailing out because you're freeing? You're getting freed?

It's a, it's a multiple entangre. Like, it could mean like I mean, they said the word. Like ditching or like basically evacuating for safety reasons. They said the word Ronan in this where that would mean that there were samurai at one point. You know what I'm saying? Like are they watching Kurosawa movies in a galaxy far far away? They're showing your hand out here.

You know? I mean, So Han said that we're like sitting ducks in Star Wars one time. And I'm like, they called the bug on whale. I had never seen it. I ain't never seen the dog. They got whales. So I'm saying they got different shit.

So they probably got the N-word in that bitch. That's probably, Miss Wind do is probably like, you know, because you know, Darsidius says it. You know, that's a racist motherfucker. He is a really racist, though. He was racist against aliens. Yeah. They only had one alien up there was a human, a human situation. By the way, all white men.

All white men up there at the top of the empire, man. Not too many other people in there. Steve, you look like an empire officer, bro. like they'll put the little hat on you. That's what you should be following. Steve. Steve would be in the trenches like fixing what you'll call it.

It's like you'd be on course on in like fixing shit for people. Yeah, I mean. Pod racing, maybe. All right, let's do, let's do something real quick. Let's do something real quick. I've had a saying for the whole season that I've been using to squash criticism.

Oh, man. It's been. Finally you admit it. Don't write the show. Hey, I just. just got sick of the whole thing, but now, guess what? It's retired, it's gone, it's over. Now what we're about to do is write the show.

Oh, right. Starting with Charles, I want you to tell me just in two or three plot points, what would have made a good finale for you, Charles Reich. A good finale, so we're just talking about the finale. Just the finale. Baylon and Chin would have had to be in it. For every, like, the fact that they were in it for two seconds. Or the fact that I didn't even reunite at all.

Yeah, there's that on top. Yeah, just going to be real. All the shit that happened force-wise with Sabine, put that shit in a fucking blender throat away. It's garbage. And last but certainly not least, if we're leading to find fucking Ezra, when Ezra finally gets reunited with Hera after 10,

10 years, I would hope that it would have a bigger emotional impact than what happened. I just, it does not, if you're going to, they didn't even hug. They didn't hug, she didn't cry. Like, if you are going to shoehorn in the rebels, which in my opinion, they did, just put the rebels back together, having to do a whole other season of Asoka and Sabine together alone. Ugh, keep that shit. got to look for Assoca and Sabine. No, no.

She could be them switching planets every season. Just like, just missed you. Right. Van, what would, what have, right, what would have made the finale better of what I didn't list?

What have it made the finale better? To me, what have it made the finale better is some sort of actual closure between the situation between Assoca and Sabine, other than, hey, you fucked over me, it's cool.

Like an exploration and an understanding of why they were at cross-purposes and how they got to the better situation, to a better understanding. To an actual integration of Ezra's character into their fold. Like, if you didn't watch rebels, then the connection doesn't seem real.

like there were no stakes for Ezra. He was kind of like a fluffy character in a way. Having them connected in some way, like some sort of stakes, something real that bonded them together would have been awesome to me. Really, out of light, I would like some type of friction between Ezra to be

to where maybe he questioned, questions whether or not she did the right thing and coming for him if it meant that Assoca was left alone, if it meant they weren't going to be able to get back, something to kind of put her into a

situation and make her question if what she did was the right thing because it seemed fucked up what she did, but like nobody in the whole show ever called her on it. I mean, she essentially wasted the last 10 years of Ezra's life. If we're going to be like logistically, if you're

thinking about it. To save Ezra, now Thron is back in our galaxy, and nobody at any point was going to be like, hey, Sabine, is that sacrifice worth it? Because if I'm, everything we know of Ezra, if I'm Ezra, I'm like, no. Like, I did what I did at the end of Rebels, and I think that is actually what makes this season finale to me, like, really egregious. It takes what was a really good series finale for Rebels and kind of makes it pointless if we're being 100% real. With now everything that we know, imagine somebody watching Rebels and then being like, oh, wait, so Ezra just comes back after 10 years with Thrawn, I would be like, that's how we're ending this or at least starting this over again.

Also, if you think, if you kind of think about it, she kind of went to Ezra. with no plan on how to get back, you know? Like the only way they were going to have to get back was with Thrawn. That was, that was it. She's like, all right, I'm going to go see my homie. How do we get back? Who knows? You know, just vibes.

Yeah, right? Just vibes. To answer your question, Van, I think the, yeah, the Sabine Force thing, I think I could, I don't, honestly, without that, I think I could live with this finale. Not perfect, of course. But I think I'd be like, all right, cool. Yeah. You know, like some of the stuff they tried didn't really execute it perfectly,

but I understand what they're trying to do. We'll see what happens in season two. Let's get it. But yeah, like me writing the show, Sabine doesn't need the force. She's badass without it. I don't need the force to be a badass warrior. I can just be me. And that works.

I thought that would have been a great way to wrap that up. But of course not. You know, we got to see everybody's got to have a lightsaber in 2023 Star Wars. God forbid someone is not for sensitive. Christ. Steve, write the show. By the way, also half this show to me would have had Baylon and Shin in it.

Half of it. I can see that. Yes. Way more Baylon. That's really where my writing would want to be concerned because I want to know what path Baylon and co are on. Like maybe to not, like,

maybe give me a reason why he was so mysterious to his own Padawan. as to why he wants her to go her own way, because she's clearly in pursuit of power, in pursuit of advancement in this new empire, only to be marooned and left with him and everybody else alone. I desperately wanted to know what to him is a new beginning, or at least a hint of that,

because he was clearly one of the strongest, newest things to come out of this show. and I really think that was squandered. And to only have him literally being set off in a pointed direction by a giant statue really felt like a letdown. Like, okay, is he taking the ring into Mordor? What is he doing?

Like, he's just looking into the... I don't know. That's really would have gotten me and that's really would have been something fulfilling to me. Obviously, to know that we probably had an idea that somebody was going to get left behind, that Thron had to come back,

that Sabine had to reconcile, with either being able to use the force or not use it. Obviously, it went the way that we didn't want it to. I would have liked to see this main or now secondary antagonist have their own bit of a send-off or

like, you know, lead in into another direction. So that would have been my thing. So yeah, oh man, we're on fire right now, fellas. Like, imagine Baylon finds what he wants to find on Perdita. Right? And then that sets up him

versus whatever that what's your name Shinati's got going on and Asoka and Sabine

on the same planet right now they have to like all right cool and we can't leave before we stop

what Baylan's got going on over there right let's handle that and then take off I'm interested

in that that's something I'll be down with we don't we don't we don't right

and it's it's weird that they left us. We got nuggets. We got, you know, something. And we're all like, got some crumbs. And we're like, this is interesting. Right. Tell us more. And they don't. They just don't. They just don't. And it's like, cool. He's, all right, there's a statue of mortis. There's, there seemed to be like a temple ways away. And it's like, for sure. Awesome. That's it. That's all we get, huh? Cool. Like, it's just,

So guys, I think we're being really, really, really, really negative. So if we could just be, wow. Oh, wow. If we could just be positive, wow. It's so much fun for him. It's nuts. If we could just be positive for a little bit. You are literally incredible, Charles.

After everything that we've, the journey we've gone through on the season, I want you guys to do something special for me, okay? Mm-hmm. Can each of you go around the table like Thanksgiving and say something nice about how Charles is always right about these Disney Plus? We'll start with that. I'll start with me. Charles is he attacks things like somebody from the far, far right.

Whoa! I said something nice. Unless you think that there's something wrong with our friends on the far, far right, okay. Charles is, he's a doom and gloomer. And because bad things in the world happen, he unfortunately relies on the bad will of men. I happen to want to rely on the good will of men. Charles relies on the bad will of men. And since men are always up to no good,

he ends up being correct. Look, I will say this. Nobody sees the cracks in the ship like motherfucking Charles Holmes. Charles, you're the rose that grew through the concrete. Hey, guys, this is... Wait a man, what? Hold on, hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Van said that.

No, let's go back. See again. To the rows that grew through the concrete. That is definitely transatlantic laypoint. What are you talking about? Where did you hear that? Where did you hear the rose of growth for the concrete? You said that, van.

But like, no. What is that? You don't know what? Where does that come from? Where does that come from, Steve? Why am I attributing that to Charles? No, no. Steve.

No, no, no. Did you know where that comes from, Steve? So what you're saying is, you're giving me credit for the rose that grew through the concrete bit. saying that's something that I say. Well, not anymore. Right. Wow.

Steve, why don't you do yourself a favor in Google right now? The rows that go for the concrete. No, no, don't Google it. Don't Google it yet. Can you please give us three guesses? No, I'm not going to guess.

No, no, no. I'm not going to make this work. Absolutely. You got to do it now. I'm not going to make us work. No, we recorded. Whoa, we recorded the Loki pod. And y'all aren't taking out something egregious that they said.

So don't, come on now. We go all playing this game. All playing this game. I know you educated. Let's just, all right. The artist, the artist in question was in the news very, very recently. Very recently. Very, very.

Two Pocs. There you go. There you. Steve, okay. All right. Guys, let's be real. This is what healing looks like. This is what racial harmony looks like.

Okay. Okay, Steve, now listen, we'll give you the opportunity to get us. you now say something throw a white quiz out of us that we should know Who invented G-Gali Yeah like give us a white quiz

Give us a quiz That we wouldn't know As a song lyric You think that we wouldn't That we haven't heard Song lyric Yeah give us something from Owl City

I like How City's great Bro that nigga from Our City is a G bro I like our city We're What are free than we How does that shit go? Fireflies?

Yeah, how that song go? You would not believe your eyes. You would not believe your eyes. Fire and not do that shit, bro. Put that shit on real quick. Bro, I like that Al City, bro. Why do I like that shit so much, bro? That's a good song.

It's a good song. But the song makes you feel like Star Wars should make you feel. Man. Like you're inside of a happy ringtone? I like that Ow City shit, bro. Like, there was a whole era of, like, whites that would make songs that would really make you feel good. Passion Pit was one of them. Oh, bro.

Then there was this one song that was really depressing that these white boys made. And it was like, like, somebody would die. Wait, was it the pumped-up kicks one about the school shoot? That one was, like, a crazy one because they made a pop song about a school shooting. That one was a crazy one. It was one. Nah, that one was good, too, but it was one where the guy was telling the girl that he loved her so much that he would follow her in the death. How did the song go?

Is this a my chemical woman? One day you will die. Oh, that's death cap for cutty. I'll follow you into the dark. I used to be, I used to be, I used to be, bro. Me and Chuck were getting that one. I used to be lonely. Death cap for cut.

He's great. I used to be lonely in L.A. listening to that shit. I first got out here, bro. What the fuck? How old were you? How old were you when you were just like, this is my... This was like mid-20s, something like that, like 26, 27, death cap for cutie.

Steve knows the song. Steve got emo to the song. I'll be honest with you all right now, man. I've been listening to some sub-41 as of late. So-Furdy-1. Yeah, man, some sub-41. What's the complection of the girl you're going out with right now? Show me.

The girl? Brother. It's struggle out here, man. I'm alone, bro. It's natural boyfriend day. Nobody posted me, man. I'm down bad, brother. What you mean?

It's terrible out here, bro. I saw three different black women post, Steve. I was just like, damn, this is transatlantic. Yeah. Let's tell you all something right now. This is the interesting thing is we've started to entertain ourselves. That's what Charles has done to us. No, we were so depressed talking about this shit.

We started talking about Al City, and we just perk the fuck up. We're just like that. I like Al City, bro. I like that nigga, Isle City. So is Is Is Is Is Is It a whole nigga, or is it a whole band? It's one dude. He made that whole album by himself. But his name is Al City.

Yeah. It's the name is the project. Kind of like Tamipa. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah, like Taman Paula. Oh, Taman Paul was dope. Well, Taman Pall is a band. Taman Pall is a band.

So Al City is just one guy who named himself Isle City. Well, it's not like his name, but like, yeah, that's what he named the musical project. Wait, I thought Taylor was one dude. Hold on, wait a second. Wait, now we're not for a second. We're cautious streams. We're confused. Hold on for a second.

Yeah. Al City is one guy. So it says this is the Al City nigga right here. Yes. His name is Adam Young. Adam Young. So he's, so he didn't want to be. It's just him. And he named himself.

He did the drums. He did the guitar. He did like all that. This dude is a one man band of good feelings, bro. Yo, can we get Al City at the live show? It would be dope. I'm serious, bro. We should end it on an Al City performance.

Bro, I'm serious. I want to get Al City at the live show. Y'all, if you, is somebody listening to this knows Al City, this dude, our city. Somebody knows him. Reach out to Al City, bro. Reach out to him. Can we get back to the show? No, wait, wait, wait.

Kevin Paula is like Owl City, man. It's Kevin Parker and he got like, you know, people tour with him and things like that. Yes. Yes, it is one man and he gets other, he works with other people. Just like, homie, bro, you're trying to trim me up, Steve. I know my, I know my, I know my music. All right, let's go to the midnight meter. What are we given to Soka?

Midnight meter. Six. Seven. Got be a seven. Ah, six. Seven. Got be a seven. I got to go seven.

I got to go seven. Yeah, I got to go seven. I got to go seven because it was, so let me tell you why I'm going seven. Tell you why I'm going seven. The show. overall was it bad. The finale might have rendered it pointless, which I have to be honest, right?

The finale might have rendered it pointless. It moved. The whole purpose of the show was to get to Thron and get Ezra back. I don't really feel like Asoka did a lot of changing. Even the whole Osaka the white thing, guys, I mean, I don't really feel like the finale paid any of that character development off.

right? However, if I'm looking at a show that's a six and you know, I always grade a little high, six means I didn't have very much fun. And throughout the point of Asoka, throughout different points of Asoka, the highs of the show were so high that there were really moments to where I was wild. So I'm going to give it a seven for that.

It could have been an eight had they landed the finale, but I don't think I can go much lower than a seven. seven is probably where I'm going to go. Y'all go. Mint boys go first. I'm struggling here. I'm going to go seven. And my thought process

Y'all are so weak, yo. No, man. Here's the thing. I did. Fuck this. I think we did like a mini meter and I gave it like a nine or something. Like I was really high on it.

You know what I'm saying? They did some really cool stuff in the middle there that I really appreciate. At the end of the day, man. It just, yeah, the finale was like just a two-pack. two pack of ass. And I don't know I don't know how to reconcile that.

I don't know what the point was. I don't know why we got here. I don't know what was the reason behind any of it. So at the end of the day, I got to bring it down to a seven. Steve? Six.

I'm going to go with six. I didn't have that much of an attachment to rebels. And I was hoping to find a bit more of an attachment here. What meaning I could find was really undercut. Like we had a banger two episodes in the middle there

with Anakin and Asoka. And I feel like that was kind of all of the catharsis we needed. And I feel like that's really all the show seemed to be concerned about. Other than that, it was fine. So yeah, a six. I'm stuck between a five and a six, y'all.

I'm stuck because there's like two and a half episodes that I enjoyed. man man five or a six I'm going to go with the six I'm going to go with this six like yeah 60% they tried they did some stuff

question is it possible that Ray Stevenson's death affected the end of the show somehow like they cut around it um

after the fact I mean I'm just I don't know, and obviously, the life of a human being is much important than a, much more important to a television show, but... Absolutely. Did he pass away before, were there more reshoots?

Was there something else? No, no. He passed like a month or so before the show came out. No, he died in May. In May. May. May of this year. But, so that's, I don't...

The show, I'm assuming, would have been in post-post-production, if not. Yeah, they would have locked in. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Interesting.

Because to do, you have to think about, to do all of the, the CGI work necessary for this episode, I feel like it would have had to be filmed in almost like locked down and done. They're only doing very, very minor. Can you elaborate on why you think that? I think filming wrapped October. It just doesn't make any sense, man. filming wrapped October 2022. It just doesn't.

It makes like no sense at all. We've talked about it enough. Well, here's, I want to say one last thing. Because I remember saying this on, I think like before even Andor came out. And I said that they're on three Pete with, Andor, Mandor, Mandoah, and Osaka. And I think here's what happened. Here's what occurred.

It's kind of like the Lakers in the early part of the decade, right? 2019, 2020, that's Andor, baby. You got one. You got the chip, the best team in the league all season. You killed it. The next season, that's Mando season three. You make the playoffs first round. Ah, it doesn't really click.

There's something wrong there. This was the Lakers when they traded for us a Westbrook. Just an abomination. The worst thing I've ever seen. You're watching the television. You're like, man, had some good moments. At the end of the day, you're like, man. I can't believe I wasted a whole season

watching this this guy. It's kind of the same thing. I thought they're going to be... We got one. They got one. It's crazy. We're talking about Asoka like this.

This was the show... I thought that this show would be so good. Like, I thought it was impossible. I thought this was an impossible. You're a liar. Shut up. You don't believe that. You're like you're dancing around

like a goddamn negative nymph right now. Y'all sold on me. Like, y'all look. at me why you're just like how can charles think that this episode wasn't the greatest thing ever made and i'm like all right it's not it's not what's not the way it happens but you know what we're gonna wait that's fine i remember play the moon night tapes back play the fucking moon night moon night moon night wait wait hold on hold on whoa nelly whoa nobody was on the moon and nothing like that what are you talking about you y'all looked at me i was on moon night yes

Oh, you're wilding. I never like Moon Night. I never like Moon. You guys are fucking liars. No. I never like Moon. Moon Night was all right. He was fucking, he was Harley the Moon Night.

It took you out to the season fucking finale to finally be like, yeah. This dude was everybody else except for the Moon Night. Okay? He was, it was Harley the Moon Night. I'm totally, you're fucking, I'm talking about Moon Night. We're gone. Fucking, Charles. That's a wrap.

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please hear our cries. For everybody out there, just remember. You wouldn't not believe your eyes in 10 million fireflies lit up. That shit is hot, bro. I like that shit,

I like that firefly. Shut out. Shout out. Okay, so since you guys are talking about shows that I don't know, I'm going to talk about shows that you guys don't know. This would be like the fourth episode of Brasers House where they're going to kick Jenna Fox out of the house. And then Brassers House is good. I'm good, actually.

I'm good off. I'm so good. I'm going to take your word for it. I'm going to take your word for it. You guys, you guys, just a real quick clear out. You know what? you guys are acting what what's going on with you guys like i'm upset you guys you guys act like you don't that's fine but don't act like you don't like porn why do y'all act like you

why do you just don't want to talk about it on a work podcast man why i swear to god man the things that you pause the recording for and the things that you leave the recording on for who never cease too amazing why is there so much shame it's like it's it's weird you guys feels shame. Everybody, let's rank our favorite porn star. I love to do it. I would love to do it. That was a joke.

I've actually said on the ringer that there should probably be a vertical. I would run it. I've said this before, but you know, that's fine. There's so much shame. I don't say why there's so much shame. You guys can get on here and go, oh, I'm horny for shin. But when I talk about the real people out there that are actually providing you that, you don't want to talk about it's weird okay fine um