The Ringer-Verse - 'Ahsoka' Season Premiere Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: August 23, 2023

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This is, of course, the ringer's nexus podcast fee for all things. fandom, we are. Join the Explanitor, Dideron, you've got questions. He's got answers. We are. Steve, the architect, Alman. The builder and tinker of things. We are.

His triumphant return. Yeah. Coke baby Chuck. The 24-carat closer. aka the brunch hardy we all damn it's been a minute the brunch haiti

the brunch haiti we are old man van here of the receding resurgent hair line together we are known as I'm at night boys I'm purport all right

Steve did you not hit the button there I did hit the button there I didn't hear it I didn't hear it yeah I'm Steve God damn Steve Steve hold up

Steve Jonathan Kremah Alman That's not good. Hey, I want to say something real quick. Oh, boy. A little spidey all grown up. What do you mean about that? Why is that?

What makes you say that? A little spidey, Kerm is, it's so interesting watching some of the youngans at the Ringer that I came in with, but they were young, watching them grow up. Isaiah, grown up.

Isaiah came to the Asoka premiere with us. He was eating popcorn by himself. You're saying that like we just like left him in a row on his own. He was sitting next to us. He didn't let him sit with y'all. He sat next to me. Don't tell me the midnight boys are the cool table where you like, sit over there.

You're not one of us. Nah, Isaiah was being himself like Kerm, Kai, all of these people that groaned it up. Eduardo handled the. Blue Beetle recording. These people are doing it. This kids are doing it. Shout out.

Shout out. Shout out of everybody. Shout out of everybody. Shut out. Shut out. We're going to see Drake. Me and we're going to see Drake tonight. Yeah.

Y'all throw them bras at the stage? No. I was about to say. No, I can't. I'm not doing all that. Yeah, I don't know why I want to make fun of it. I guess you guys should have fun. You guys are going to go there.

Y'all go sick or more. Come on. Y'all going to lose your minds. Go go crazy. Go go. crazy. Don't be a hater, man. Can you let them enjoy Drake? Because I know you just want to say some shit right now.

Charles, you're right. I shouldn't do that. And I'm not gonna. Okay. No story time? Story time. You guys got follows on socials. Insta, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok. Save Jomi's job.

Okay? Twitter, X, whatever it is, threads, whatever you do. We got some great stuff that's been coming out on the socials, Jemmy. That's right. Yeah, hey, shout out to everybody who participated in that. We did a seven-day-long Asoka Primer for all the people that are going to show up. Obviously, Asoka, Sabine, Ezra, Chop, The Love of My Life, Hara, all locked in. So, hey, if you're like, man, you know, you got a friend, you want to tab into Asoka.

Show them to, get them on TikTok, show them on Instagram videos. I can't plug my stuff, friend. You went to, you've gone too far. We did short little Osoka Primer videos. That's it. I mean, we didn't reinvent the wheel. We talked about different characters from Star Wars. Go like and follow.

Yeah, okay. Pro rangers! Okay, look, on Monday, Min Edition is coming back. Okay. What are you guys talking about? It's a great question. It's a great question. No clue.

You know what? We're going to tease that later. How about that? Nah, we're going to leave that in because you guys don't know what you're talking about. Okay, the feed is light a podcast. Let's just be honest. and we need everybody here to pull their weight. And the Mitt boys are all...

We got to shape up now. We've got to lock in. We've got to lock in. The two ladies in charge, it got them took their podcast somewhere else. And now what we need is for you guys to pick up the weight. You don't even know what you're doing.

You know what you're going to do? This is not a great show in the first week out. I'm going to be real. And it'll probably be something odd anyway when you guys do decide. You probably do like a... rewatch of Jonah Hex or something like that. It'll probably be so.

Jesus Christ. See? That's the type of shit. Have some respect. I move on. Go on. Okay. So we're doing instant reactions to Midnight Boys. And next week, the Midnight Boys will be giving you our instant reactions to Asoka all season long. We're going to be doing that right here on the Ring of Verse Feed. Make sure to check out House of R, their feed, for Deep Dyes.

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Today's show, we're going to take a look at the epic two-episode premiere of Asoka on Disney Plus. Now, we make a promise to you right now, guys. From here on out, we make a promise to keep it R-E-E-L. That's real. Okay, Soka's out. It's time for it. It's time for Star Wars and Lucasfilm to either reclaim their glory.

Shit or get off the pot. Let's go. Or the crash and burn coming back into the atmosphere. We're going to see what this show can do. A lot riding on this. Loki, you're up next. We're going to see this fall what these different companies have to offer. But in order to do that, we've got to spoil some stuff.

We're going to spoil all of Star Wars rebels. We're going to spoil parts of the Clone Wars, episodes one, two, and three. Anything leading up to Star Wars at this point, if you haven't seen it, stop right now and go watch it. Steve. Give me the spoil a warning for Asoka. We're getting ready to talk about Asoka. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming.

Okay, to begin our reactions, of course, our returning prince, our hero, Chuck Wagon, has to put you in the know about episodes one and two of Asoka. And the only way to do that is the Midnight Manifest, Charles, Take it Away. And this is your Midnight Manifest for Asoka, Part 1 and 2. The first episode is directed by Dave Loney, second directed by Steph Green,

both episodes written by Bologna. Bailen Skull, a former Jedi and its new apprentice successfully break Morgan Ellsbeth out of a transport prison headed to a new Republic trial. On another planet, though, Assoca binds a map that will lead to Thron and Ezra's location after the Pergles transported them through hypers to another galaxy at the end of Star Wars rebels. Asoka is ambushed by droid bounty hunters before she cannot get off the planet, but successfully defeats them before flying off with Huang, who you might remember as an ancient droid that helps Jedi younglings learn how to construct lightsabers. Asoka meets up with Herod to tell her about the map and the former rebel leader says the former Jedi should seek out her old apprentice for help Sabine Ren. Sabine and Asoka had a falling out, which makes it hard for the two to work together. Nevertheless, Sabine steals the map and ends up deciphering it. Unfortunately, Baylon's apprentice, Shane successfully steals the map and stabs Sabine in the process.

Sabine helps Asoka and Hara track down the origin of one of the droids that helped with stealing the map. Shanitigans ensue when Asoca and Hara go to a shipyard, house an empire loyalist in disguise. Ayrr and Asoka are able to successfully place a tracker on an enemy ship. While they're doing that, Sabine with a nudge from Huang, finds herself able to suit up again to assist Asoka. And Bail and Moore can discover where Thrawn supposedly is using the coordinates from the stolen map. And that has been your Midnight Manifest for Asoka Part 1 and Part 2. Okay, instant reactions. It is time to get to it.

I am so excited. I'm rocked up. Ready to go. Oh, all right. Charles, I'm so interested. I've never been more interested. I am never been more interested than what I'm about to say right now. Give us your instant thoughts about Asoka.

Go. Fucking Steve, I see your finger hovering over the. Charles hates women fucking drop. Take it away. All right? We're not doing that shit. I got the beat. I got the beat ready.

All right. So I think this is solid. I think we're on some solid footing. I guess it's secret invasion. The first two episodes of that were me being like, yeah, it's already cooked. These two episodes are I'm like, okay. Like, there's some stuff cooking here. I see where we could go.

I think I'm very intrigued with Asoka because it has so many interesting questions. Like essentially, I'm like, is this in Asoka show or is this a backdoor pilot for us to get more rebels? Even, like, the transition from animation to live action, in some ways, I'm just like, oh, they nailed it.

There's some characters where I'm just, like, perfect 10 out of 10. there's other moments where I'm like, okay, this is a little bumpy. Is this a cartoon or is this live action? But none of that detracts from the proceedings. I'm pretty excited for what comes next. What about you then?

An imperfect good show. It is a good show. It is a cool show to watch. I will say this. It is less fun than I thought it was going to be. Oh, we're already going there. Oh, we're already going there. So look, so look, the show is good.

The show is good. It's a good show. I'm not so sure I had that much fun with the first two episodes of Asoka. Am I tripping, men, boys? A little? I don't know. Stand on it, Joe. I mean to stand on it.

I can have fun. The scene with Chop and Hara going back and forth was kind of fun. You know, okay. Here's the deal. But, you know, let's keep it real. I'm not saying that I didn't enjoy a tasty help and a member bearers. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying in the rollicking nature of this show, it's not rollicking nature.

I'm saying in the sense that you would have fun with a show, it's a weird thing, and I can't quite describe it. I watched Asoka, two episodes of Asoka. Yes. A couple of different times. I liked what I saw on the screen. I can objectively say that it was good, but I'm not sure I had fun. And I watch it a bunch of times,

and I'm just being for real. Did you get the sense? Because I got the sense where I was like, I don't know if the show knows what it wants to be, at least in the first two episodes in the sense of, I didn't know if I was watching an Asoka show. I didn't know if I was watching a rebel show. And also there was no moment watching this episode

where I wasn't like, I kind of just wish this was animated. Not because anybody was doing a bad job at all. But I think that we have such an attachment to rebels in a way that if it does not meet those lofty expectations out of the gate, it's a little bit like, okay, this is something different. which is weird. Maybe Steve,

like try to jump in and distill what's going on here because I'm saying right now for the people that are going to be like the Midnight Boys are being negative. I liked the show. I did. I liked the show.

But my feelings still stand. What are you gathering from what's being said here, Steve? I get what you're saying. I think that for the reason that we look at the show at least a little more clinically in these first two episodes where it's like, all right, these are hitting the beats

of Asoka answering a call to adventure and making a decision to recruit so-and-so to her cause and blah, blah, blah. Like, not to say that those things aren't interesting or exciting or even thrilling because a lot of those things are in this show. I think it might be,

we might have been a bit weathered by the deluge of Star Wars IP in the past few months and years. and knowing that this is probably the better offering that we get, we might be a little bit skeptical. This might be a withering expectation that we're actively fighting off because a good show is in front of us. But I will say that this is a really good and fun start to what we have. I think that anything that comes from either a stumble

or a sort of lack of zest that we might have from it might be coming from a bit more, more of a richer backlog of stuff that we might have seen either in Rebels or Clone Wars, if we were to look at those things directly. What do you think about that, Charles? No, I think that is absolutely the case where our expectations, I think, for Asoka, are arguably just as high as they would have been for the Mandalorian season three, because one of the best episodes of Mando has Assoca in it, and they killed it to such an extent that I was expecting this to be like 100% fuel out the gate.

But if we're being honest, most Clone Wars and Rebel seasons tended to start off this slow and this plot, like just setting the table, which I think is like why I'm not that worried, because Faloni has done this a lot. And where we're at by midpoint or end of the season isn't as slow as we at least started. Is Charles saying that an episode of show comes out,

then another episode of show comes out, and it's good, but he expects it to get better? Whoa, whoa, whoa. I said that these first two episodes were solidly. anybody else on my job. The foundation is solid. Okay. Secret Invasion, the foundation was made of fucking jello.

You're definitely right. And mince. Right. What is something that the show does get right? Right away, Jomi. Like, right away, you're like, okay, I see that this is something that Asoka is doing well. It brings you back into that Star Wars world. You know, I'm going to, like, just watching it, like, the first two episodes, like a couple

times. I got to quote football legend, Terry Henri, you know, I can see what Dave Faloni's doing. I can feel it. He's cooking. He's getting ready. He's building something in there.

And the basis of that is the world with the, which with Sabine lives in, that Asoka lives in, that Harry lives in, the word that we're pretty familiar with if you're a fan of rebels. And he he gives you like he rebuilds that

if you've been a fan you're like okay I recognize these characters I'm putting this and this together all right we've got like a a base level platform to where whatever happens next

we can we're rocking with these characters that we know and love and I think that's a pretty good way to start the Lothcat when I saw that shit I was just like this perfect

like this is actually like just the cat just the lot of that was just I was just like all right I kind of wanted to go back to the cat. Every time we weren't near the cat, I was just like,

yo, what's that motherfucker doing? But one thing I will have to say, I never want to see in a Star Wars property again, we got to stop with like the maps. Every single new Star Wars thing is like, we have a new map. And I'm like, no, bro. Like this was the rise of Skywalker.

This was Force Awakens. I'm done with the fucking maps, people. At least it was only two episodes of a map. Yeah, the Mcuffin map. was pretty tired. I'll say that. Yeah, when they do the whole, like, look at our big map now. This is where this person is. I'm just like...

I mean, at least it's not a dagger that lines up with a pile of debris. It's way less stupid than the Skywalker-McGuffield is still. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Trimfaya offers

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in the Midnight Manifest. Asoka has a lead, a very important lead in the location of not only Grand Amarral Thron, but also of Ezra Bridger, who we see in a hologram. He even rubs his head, touches his head,

same thing. Look, all the member berries were very strong. Very strong member berries seeing Sabine back under Mandalorian armor. Very strong member berries seeing chopper. Very strong member berries seeing chopper. Very strong. and it was also cool to see these characters in live action. I'm not saying that that's not the case.

All of the member barriers were very, very strong. But was that the most interesting thing about the show? And if not, Charles, what was the most interesting thing about the show through two episodes? So I think what was not on the screen was honestly the most interesting part in the part that I was just like, can we just get to this moment? where I wanted Thron and I wanted to see Ezra. And almost how they're going to get there to me is less interesting than them actually being there. Because I think the other thing about the episode that I was missing was I was just like, damn, there's a bunch of rebels in this. But like, where's Zeb?

Like, I need to see Canaan. I need to see Ezra. Like, there was that feeling of like, it's almost not rebels without them. It is this other thing. It's like, it was like listening to a push-a-T album, those first few ones where malice isn't there, where you're like, no, push-a-T, you're great, you're great, don't get me wrong.

But you want to know what's better clips. And that's how I felt not having the rest of the rebels there, if that makes sense. Guys, does Charles know? Canaan died. Yeah, he's dead. I'm not sure he's going to be in this show. No, I know Canaan is dead.

I'm just saying that it's like just having Harris, Bean and Asoka there, I was like, my heart was almost like breaking. I was just like, damn, like, this ain't the group anymore. No. Sorry. So we, so here's the deal. Um, I, I think that's important. This is not rebels.

This is not. I got that. Right. And so I, another thing. Does the show, does the Asoka show know that it's not rebels? Like, look, it's, I don't, I don't know if it knows. it's going to at some point have to know. I'm just being for real. It's using

a lot of the same characters and it's following to be honest with you the same storyline, but it's not, this is not if you're expecting this show to be rebels, it's not going to be rebels. It's a show that has to plot out its own future course here.

And the question is, is it doing that? Because if we talk about the most interesting things about the show and they're all remnants from a show that we all loved, then the answer might be that the show in the first two episodes didn't do anything interesting. Now, I don't think that that's necessarily the case. I think they've set up a couple of things. Number one, a real tension from the two antagonists here. I like them. Okay, rest and peace

to Ray. I think he is playing a dark or gray Jedi in about as good of a way as I've seen it thus far in live action. You know? I like it. I like that. I like that. I like. that I was just like, you can tell he's not really Sith because he's just kind of like what works for me, like what makes the most sense right now, like which I thought was like a very interesting thing that we haven't actually seen that that much, at least in live action.

I don't think he's a Sith at all. He showed some affinity for Asoka in terms of not wanting to kill her because she was a Jedi, very interesting. He still has a respect for the Jedi aware of the Jedi arts, it seems. however he is distinctively un-Jedai in the fact that he is so selfish

I think his apprentice is very interesting I think that part of it even Morgan even the antagonists they're getting them right and also just the shards of the empire that are left in some of the places that the Republic seems too fucking stupid

to realize that they might be nobody's stupider than the fucking new republic dump a bunch of dumbskies okay a whole fucking organization of fucking Peters and homers like that's what

like they're they're they're the whole they're stupid so I do think that the show is building on a very very real tension that I think could work particularly with the antagonist

if I'm being honest I think it's the heroes here and the people that we're supposed to like that are leaving the most questions at least in the first two episodes. And I think that might be maybe by design. You could maybe be a little bit more sparse with them

because we've known them for so long. But we are getting to know them again. And I don't know if the show thinks that. I don't know if the show thinks that we're actually getting to know live action Asoka, live action Sabine, live action Hara. I don't know if they think we view them as animated characters because I do need to kind of, in a way, be resold on those characters as I'm watching them in live action. Oh, I mean, I totally agree because even, you know, if we want to talk about Asoka,

I feel like I understood Rosario Dawson's Asoka in the Mandalorian and what that character meant next to Mando. But it was interesting in this show. I was a little bit like when Asoka is next to Sabine or Hara I'm just like oh does it highlight how much Rosario's betrayal is different from the animated version a little bit because when she's talking about like Thrawn

and he's like yeah and Ezra too and she's just be like yo fuck that lone nigga like Thron and I'm just like why she's so me like this is a when she was the lone samurai scarred type in Mando it worked

in a way where with rebels I'm like these are your friends like why are you being so mean to them like I was just like this is a different portrayal of the character is that like is that unfair I mean it's been some time I think I think she's like

I think I was I had the same thought I was like Brett this is a little different from the Asoka that we saw in like the last you know when last saw in rebels versus even the Mandalorian right? And I'm pretty sure if my math is correct, she was like 31 when Rebels was going on, like mid 30 or early 30s. Now she's like 45, right? There's like a good like what 15, 14, 15 year gap where we don't know what Osuka was going through what happened. So maybe she got hard in some way.

I mean, the whole like thing between her and Sabine, we have no idea what's going on. They just keep hinting at that. So like maybe something went down and now she's just like, man, I really, I don't mess of these guys no more. But y'all recognize that like, Asoka and this was very abrasive. I was like, whoa. I would like to say that like I, and I think this will probably be when I revealed

the fact that like I'm probably going to be advocating for the people and contention to fans that haven't really seen rebels or the Clone Wars. And I kind of wanted to almost actively avoid it knowing that the show was coming out because I wanted to see what the show could do when it came to like just onboarding the stakes as they were

rather than seeming to like actually present a bit of either like a nostalgia poll or like a fan servicey weight lift from rebels and clone wars to actually see the show as it is and while I can say that the idea of Asoka being very stoic and

reserved in this show doesn't exactly track with how she was portrayed in past. It feels like that there's clearly something that has to have gone on in the several year gap that we hadn't even seen her since Rebels because she had taken on an apprentice that clearly did not go well and that there's like a clear past relationship that we don't know about that there was a falling out for. I think that while a lot of the things seemed incongruous,

with how Rosario seems to be portraying Asoka, I think that the show can reveal a lot of good and interesting things that differentiate it from rebels and actually make it an entry in and of itself. Okay, let's pull on this a little bit. Hoo-hoo! Hey! Yeah, sexy daddy.

Let's pull this thread for a second. Okay, so, Asoka, like most Jedi's at this point, has had a tough life. So let's just think about it. Okay. She's not emoting as much in this. Some people have criticized it as a wooden portrayal. Let's be honest.

That's what it says. When you watch it, there could be a thing, I said earlier, that I wasn't having as much fun. It might be because sometimes it doesn't look like Assoca's having very much fun. Okay? Let's be honest. You can only have so much fun.

It's not true. That's not true. All right, guys. Let's go get the. war, got to go get the war criminal and my little friend. Assoga just wakes up very bewildered, like, let's get this bread.

All right. Can I be honest with you guys? When you guys say stuff like that, you reveal your idiocy. What? Like, most of the heroes that you guys love, at some point,

you fall into them because you see them enjoying what it is that they're doing. And I'm not saying it necessarily. We only have two episodes with Asoka here, right? We've seen it in live action prior to this. We only have two episodes with Assoca here. What I'm saying is at some point,

mostly these heroes that you see, they're enjoying doing what it is that they're doing. They're liking it. It's a thing. It's a thing. There is, of course, a different type of very pensive hero and very methodical hero. We've seen that done well as two.

But most of the time, we follow an adventure with a hero because there's some charisma that draws us into that hero. Now, Soka has been through a lot. As I was saying, child soldier, okay, framed for a bombing, okay, leaves her order, all right? Then fights with the rebel cell, all right, loses her pal, Ezra, who saved her life. All right, loses Thron, okay, has to fight against. her. So she's had a tough life. Most Jedi have a fucking tough life. I mean, and if we're going to go off this, she drafts

Sabine before Baby Yoda. Like, that's terrible. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, Sabine really? I know. What I'm saying, though, is if Asoka isn't to a time, a place in her life where things are a little bit

more intense for her, I get it. If that's the version of Asoka that we're getting, I get it. I'm not expecting this Asoka to be Snips and Sky guy. You know, I'm not expecting that. But what I am saying, a little pluck, but what I am saying, though, is

I do want to exhilarate it while I watch the show. And you know, for me, Rosario Dawson is playing it pretty straight. She is. And he hates women fucking trough.

She's playing it pretty straight. And, you know, and just to be honest with you, even some of the lightsaber fights, Oh, oh, okay, can we go? Can we like, can we watch? Hold on, hold on. Some of the lightsaber fights. What do you, what do you mean by that?

What do you mean by that? Some of the lightsaber fights were weak, yeah? Like, I was like, ooh. First of all, not some of the lightsaber fights. All of them bitches were weak, bro. In terms of, in terms of Asoka? Yeah. See, it was, it was, I was like,

Asoka's supposed to be like, the fuck. toughest Jedi who's living at this point who's not named Luke and I was like she's swinging this shit like she ain't been in the gym I that's all I'm saying like I was like dog y'all doing Rosario crazy

yeah I don't know I've got like the so the first one in the like in the temple and the thing and then the second one at the shipyard I kind of felt like I mean I could probably see against like the dude with the mask like the Inquisitor dude

but the other guys, it just felt like she was like easy. Like, you know, like, this is like work, you know what I'm saying? Like these, these droids. The Inquisitor was given her,

like, way too much trouble. I'm just like, Doug. Like, what are we doing at this point? Like, Asoka,

like, of what we know about Asoka, I'm like, why is this like no-name job or giving her like such a fucking hard time? That's fair. Yeah.

I can see it. The one thing I will give, I will give, um, about Asok. is they got to get that cloak off her because she runs like she's running in quicksand. It's way too cumbersome.

It's way too cumbersome when she's like running. It looks cool, but like it really was a thing that the animated Asoka looked better in because it was just like she's running and I'm like you're running in a dream and you think you're moving fast, but you're really not. Yeah, it's like putting all,

it's doing all the thing and it's like you're moving like you're moving like two miles per hour. Like you're not going. on any quicker. You know what I mean? Like that was the one thing. I was like, that looks weird.

But everything else, I thought it was fun. I just thought like she was like, I would try my against Skywalker, bro, this is too, this is light work. Get off me. Goodbye.

I'm out of here. But yeah, she did, her finding gets a quizzed her for that long. That's a little, it's a little suspect. We're acting like we did. Like,

I don't like this episode. I feel like we're being very like. Oh, no. Who's we? I loved it. Oh, whoa, whoa. I like the episode. What I am saying is that

that with the, with the, stakes of the show and what we wanted to happen is this in the first two episodes the sauciest of sauce that we felt like we needed. Okay? And even if it isn't, it doesn't have to be. Maybe things will come around three, four, five, six. I liked the episode. I, listen, first of all, let me put it all out on the table right now because my, you know, people will say that I'm being a hater. All right. Let's put it all on to you. It's okay. I accepted. I loved it when I saw Chopper.

I loved it when I saw Sabine. Sabine's opening scene was fucking amazing. That's the type of shit I'm talking about. The danger zone. Loat cat. Loved it. Love seeing the mural again. Loved it. Loved the antagonist in this.

Really did. Menacing, greedy, power hungry, hungry war-mongering assholes. That's what I like. All right, we're on our way to get thrown. I see the plan coming together. I see it. I see how it's going to happen and I know that it's going to be good.

What I'm saying is, to be honest, the first two, huh, could be a little bit slow at times, just saying a lot of stuff happening. And now we get to Sabine. Wait, before we get to Sabine. I have one more question really quick. Is this is this show like

can someone who has never watched Rebels watch this show? When I was watching this I was just like, this is, I don't, I feel like I'd be very confused if I've never seen Rebels. I could tell you, I watched it with somebody who did

and she didn't like it. Straight up, said it was born. And I'm not, and I'm the colleague who said it was born. And like, and like, I'm just being for real that I don't agree with that, but I could see how that could be a thing

if you did not have some equity with the characters already. Like if you didn't know who Ezra was, it would be like, why do they care? Like, you could infer. But I was just like, no, you need to know how important Ezra is for a lot of this to make sense. Right.

It wouldn't, to be honest with you, for me, I wouldn't have been mad at some flashbacks. But then you'd have to do animated flashbacks, which I think is a little weird. Why? Might be a little jarring. why? I mean, it's a live action. I don't know, man.

Like, if I'm watching like an Avengers show and then they start cutting the what if, you know what I mean? Be like, hey, guys. They don't have things going on. They can just recreate live action. Hold on. Hold on for a second. Hold on for a second. Hold on. Just real quick.

Everybody, everybody note the time. 4.50 p.m. Okay. This is the single dumbest take that we've ever had in the history of the mid-dive force. I'm I'm not saying I disagree I agree with Look so When when Captain Carter

Showed up in Multiverse of Madness You thought that that should have been an animated person No of course not Then what the fuck are you talking about I'm saying if you're going to do a flashback To animated series I get under showing people would be adverse to that

Right like it's weird continuity you're like, okay. It's all live action now, Jomey. Everybody's live action now. But like, you don't want to, I don't know. I can see. That's right.

The show's live action, Jamie. What are we doing? And I'm saying I can see a world where like you bring Ezra back. You bring Z or, you know, Steve Blum back. You bring, what's his name? Canaan back. And you do like a little live action, you know, recreation of one moment and rebels. Like, this isn't, you know, this isn't psych.

or community or scrubs, everybody back for like a week. Are we going to do 30 seconds of a bit? Cool. All right, go home. We'll see you next week. Like, I don't, you know, I'm seeing,

it just seems a little more, you know, more put together than that. I mean, they did that in Obi-Wan, and that was kind of like the better parts of that show was him and Hayden Christensen

cooking back in the day. They didn't do like, hey, let's do a flashback every, like, you know, they did one episode of a flashback. If we do something like that,

then I understand. But they didn't bring back Clone Wars Obi-Wan to show us what happened back then. Like that doesn't, I don't think that'll fly. So, I think what I'm saying is this. Particularly when we're about to get into Sabine.

Particularly this thing between Sabine and Asoka. I'm assuming that there'll be some flashbacks, right? Don't necessarily have to have them. The only reason why I'm saying that is because in that particular situation, they're doing the tell us don't show us thing and after a while it starts to become a little grading it's like you took her on as a Padawan it didn't work out something went wrong she walked out on me

you walked out on her pick the lightsaber back up all of that different stuff is happening and I don't know for me after a going a while of them telling me about that, but me haven't seen it, it's hard to invest into it. And we'll get into Sabine right now. Sabine's character's just fine in this, but she's a little annoying.

And it's like, you know what I mean? She's a little annoying because... Salas. To be fair, though, I like Sabine in this. I actually think that like Sabine, like Natasha, who plays her, like, played the Sabine that we know from the animated series. I think one of the struggles is, though, Sabine works in Star Wars Rebels because it is like a kid show. And I don't mean that in, like, a majority way.

Like, it's targeted at kids. It was just super phenomenal. And I think, like, what she's struggling with is a mandolary. that likes to spray paint shit is one thing in a kid show. It's a totally another thing when you're like an adult doing it and you're like, oh no.

And I think that's like, you have to kind of give a suspension of disbelief because I'm just like, okay, like there's only so much we can do before it gets just a little, a little corny. But I think, I thought Natasha did a good job. I don't know.

I thought she did a great job. I think she was one of the most compelling parts of this show. Especially when she, the lightsaber fight was wrong. rough though. Okay, fine. So the stunt work

wasn't great, but the acting was good. I'm not even stunt work. She just got two-pieceed. Like it wasn't even, you know, she just got outworked, out-hustled,

out-balled. But this is what I'm saying. At the end of rebels, like, Sabine is a badass. Like, I know that it's, their time has passed.

Maybe she hasn't been in the gym. But I'm like, yo, damn, like, you're going out like this, Sabine? Like,

come on. She didn't go out. Like, at this moment. but she got stabbed. I'm like, she's going to be fine. No, I do she was going to be fine, but you got stabbed on your first day back on the job.

Like, no wonder, Soka don't want to train your ass. That scene was great because I'm sitting next to Isaiah in the theater, and we see her like, like, like, and we look at each other, we just like shake our heads. It's time to get cooked.

It's time to get cooked. Like, what are you doing? You know what it's like? You know what it's like? It's like back in the day when, like, the, like, the Lakers would be in the P&R. and like fucking Kobe and Powell would be with Switch and then it would be like fucking Kobe

on Timothy Moskhov or something like that and they'll be out there you're like it's time for it's time for a barbecue it's time for cooking like they're being the P&R and then Kobe's out there and he's like God damn like it's about to happen to you and for the whole Staple Center the whole arena about to see you're not you're in the deep water out here my friend deep water

crazy um but you know I liked that that was very important scene for Sabine's character because she has insufficient training as a Paton Juan. She has all kinds of weapons inside there. However, listen to this. She has all kinds of Mandalorian weapons inside there.

She didn't, she doesn't have an armor on. She has to put her armor on and all of that stuff. But she chose to grab the lightsaber. She chose to fight her like that. So to me, the fact that she made that choice.

I'm sure there was a blaster in there. I'm sure there other things, but she chose to fight as a Jedi. That was an unconscious decision that she made right then to pick up in her schooling from Asoka again. And the fact that she failed at the fight was actually more to do with the fact that her training wasn't finished. She still has another way to go.

So when I watched that, I was like, okay, so she's going to go, she thinks she can get it. And now I bet she fights that. girl again, that lady again at some point, and I bet it goes differently. My question is, how to fuck do you have a Padawan that's not force sensitive? Okay, other stuff

that's just happening in the show, it's just doing shit. Okay? It's like, how do you have a Padawan? That's not force sensitive. And how good of a Jedi can you be if you really can't wield the force? And how good can you be with a lightsaber against a force user if you really can't use the force? Maybe she

can get more forcey. maybe she can force it up. Who knows, Jomi, what do you think? You're the explainer. Can you do an ISO real quick? How good can you be with a lightsaber without the force? So you can be pretty good. Right.

We see, you know, even in like Clone Wars, like Cadbane use a lightsaber for a little bit. You know what I mean? Like it's not impossible. Pre-Visla, my enemy, my number one, I'm his number one hater, wielded the Dark Saber pretty good. We see Bogarton. ass kicked. What the fuck?

Previsal against them all, a force user. Yeah. So, yeah, so I'm saying. But I'm saying, like, of course against a force user, it's going to go bad. We saw it what's the being. It's going to, but all the time. But I'm saying, like, as you're not cutting your arms off, you know what I mean, like, you can wield a saber pretty good, but in terms of, like, hey, man, you know, we saw

General Grievous, obviously, collect sabers from people he's not a force user. Very true. You can use one, but it's way better in the hands of a force user. And so for Sabine, who we saw in Rebel, she practiced a little with the Dark Saber and supposedly had some training with Asoka, clearly had not been in the gym for years, has not put up a shot in forever. And so when she lit that saber, it was not going to happen for her. right but but probably with some more training she could you know maybe stand up you know for a couple more minutes but ultimately at the end of the day using against a non-force user or against a force user usually ends up pretty bad for you i wonder how good hon solo would have been with the saber

oh i bet he would have sucked i mean we saw him using an empire strikes back to open up the dang you know what i mean like in a fight i bet he would have sucked oh terrible i mean yeah it's The thing is, of course, if you're not, like, specifically trained with the force and a lightsaber, it's going to be difficult. It's going to be one more difficult to use it. But at the end of the day, like some people have like some skills, but it's nothing compared to a force user. It usually, it never is. Solo was force sensitive, though. Solo?

Yeah. Are we talking legends here or no? Solo, don't worry about it. Why don't you go do your Google? Solo, solo was force sensitive, man. That's part of Wiley, so it's a great pilot. Force sensitive. Four sensitive.

You know, guys hate on solo. Hera and Chopper in this. Jome, you're a big Hara fan. Hera! How much Hera and Chopper do you want to see in this show? We got a chance to see them get down a little bit as Chopper. Planet the Tracker in episode two. I wouldn't mind seeing more of Hara and Chopper.

What would you say, Jomes? I don't need to see Osaka or Sopian, really. You can just do Hara and Chapper for seven more episodes. That's good by me. You feel? Maybe we can just run that back, you know, for 30 more minutes. every Tuesdays is a clock for the next seven weeks.

And that works for me, my brother. Can you stop? What? I'm just saying, that's how I feel. Is it married to fucking Ewan McGregor? Her husband, her long-term,

long-term, low-commitment, casual boyfriend is dead. Rest in peace to Canaan. You know what I'm saying? I said in the video, man, she need a man. I'm right here. Hera, if you listen,

I know you're a big fan of the show. Call me. Okay, you have, my digits. Where's her kid? Where's I? I kept wondering. Where's Jason?

That's the question I keep like, I keep asking myself because they show Jason and Rebel's finale. Like, cool. She's got a son. Right. Where is he? They never show Jason again. They just like, y'all forget about that.

Like, you know. Should that little, should that little motherfucker be in like pilot school or something like that, probably any in some kind of fucking new Republic training program or something? I mean, he should be like, if it's like 15 years after rebels, then, well, this is like five years after Return of the Jedi. So the kids should be like, yeah, he should be like high school, you know, maybe even like young adult. They should be kicking Sabine to the curve because I know Jason is force sensitive. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Like, in all seriousness, no, this is the Asoka show. So we do want to see more Osaka. But it's having Harrah be like Asoka's sounding board in terms of like, hey, am I doing the right thing? I think that's something that's pretty cool because they're a relationship in Rebels and how she was fulcrum and being a leader in the rebellion.

Them having a little back and forth as pretty much equals at this point in terms of what they mean to rebellion to each other. It's pretty cool. I think having that relationship stand the test of time and then being able to be like, tell each other like, hey, dog, I know you and Sabine.

aren't really on the best of terms right now, but you need this, and I know that you know you need this. I think Hara being able to be that person for Asoka is pretty great, and I hope we can see more of that going forward in the show. Charles, I want you to give me a prediction here. So we got eight episodes.

Yeah. A Crazy Eight is what we got. Okay. Tour in the bag. The bag. D-A-B-A-G. What episode do you think Thron makes his debut?

Y'all can hate me for this? Probably like seven? Oh, dog. Oh, no, no, no, no. That's fine. That's fine. No. We got to see him in the next two.

We got to see him in the next two. You know, it's not, bro. What? No, it's not, bro. Next two. All right. A, A, A, seven would be a fucking failure, bro.

I'm serious, bro. Oh, come. Seven. Seven will be a failure, bro. Be so serious. I'm serious. I'm with you, Van. He's got to be in the next two.

What? Yes. Y'all about to be real. Within the next two. That bubble, he's in another galaxy. Y'all are not serious, bro.

Yeah, but we got to get, we got to get it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

let me, first of all, a little condescending laugh can jam it. No, you're not, but you're not serious. The next two episodes?

Well, I think this whole series is going to be them searching for fucking Thrawn and Ezra. I like, after the first you could get, listen, you could easily get a, an episode where it's Thron marooned

on like in deep space somewhere. We might get that. We might get that. But I'll be surprised. Here's the thing. I will just say this. After the first two episodes when I was just like, Thron's not here. I was like, uh-oh. We ain't getting this motherfucker until like. No, you're acting like the show can't do this. You're acting like the show can't do this.

It could do whatever it wants. It can. Anything can do whatever it wants. Fucking Iron Man could show up. What are you talking about? The, like, the show is supposed to be like, them going out to find Ezra and Thron. Yeah.

Like the, I kind of feel like, then what's the climax of the show? Charles. If not, like, all right, they sign him episode four. And then what? They got to go fight Thron and his army and all the bad guys. We still got a whole fucking crossover event movie with Thrawn. So I'm just like, I don't know if we're seeing him. But that shit not coming out to 2053, bro.

Social Security will be insolvent by the time that fucking movie. he comes out, bro. Well, like, if they, if they only show Thron and flashbacks, then, of course, like, I'll be with y'all. Like, yeah, come on now. Yeah, he might be in flashbacks, but, like, I don't think it's going to be Asoka versus Thrawn in this, which I also is like, what's the choice. According to some people in this podcast, they can't do it in flashbacks because of doing the flashbacks. It would have to be flashbacks. It would be animated, okay?

And by the way, when I want to say, when I was saying flashbacks, I wasn't necessarily talking about flashbacks to stuff that happened during Rebels. I'm talking about flashbacks to whatever. this connective tissue is that is here between rebels and this show that can give us some more insight into what went wrong between Asoka and Sabine. And I believe that you're going to get a couple of flashbacks. I want to see at least a scene or two. But what I'm saying is this

as it relates to Throne. They got the map. Morgan is on the craft. They got the hyperdrive. They got the hyperdrive. thing. They just got it from the illegal fucking Empire Shipping Depot yard trying to get back to Throne. It seems like we're all systems

good, baby. It seems like, I mean, and the tracker is there as well. This is where y'all always trip up. Y'all always are like, yeah, it's coming. I'm like, just let the show be what it is. Exactly. Shut up. I can't believe I'm right now. Let the show do what the show's got to do.

Bro, look, what did I, what was the question? Y'all like, if Thron doesn't show me two episodes it's a failure. Like, come on. I want to ask is, when do you need to see Thron in the show? I mean, if I will agree with y'all if I don't see Thron soon,

I'm going to be like, yo, what the fuck is happening? Like, don't be cute about the shit. So if you say, if you say, okay, let me ask you this then, if you're saying that Thron is going to show up in episode seven or episode eight, or six or seven is my guess.

Six or seven. Six or seven. Okay, so six is a lot different than seven. Six is three episodes of Thron. Seven is probably an episode and a half. Anyway, so look, so if he shows up in seven, let's just stick with seven. Do you feel like that's enough?

No, no. I would be very disappointed. The rest of the show would have to be operating on such a near perfect level for me to not think like, hey, we don't know if you're going to get to do one of these again, just give us Thrawn and Asoka now.

It's just like, the show would have to be like just so out of here, fantastic for me not to be a little disappointed. I'm just being real. Interesting. Interesting. Jomi looked at me like I'm being at. No, you're correct.

I'm with you. in terms of like if he shows up episode six episode seven I can walk with that the show's gonna do what the show's gonna do let the show cook right I don't agree that if he doesn't show up episode four then we gotta put it in the can it's terrible oh my god I can't believe we wasted our time with this show like I don't I don't think that's what it is because you have you clearly have bailin who is some sort of somebody that a suck isn't

have to face in the future what is his thing of all right they face off of what episode four and then bailing was just there for like four episodes. Nah, I kind of feel like... Well, Baylon is your conduit to the big bad,

right? Yeah, but like... On Thrawn's trail and Baylon is there to slow her down. But can Asoka fight Thron?

Like, is there a finale where it's Osoka versus Thrawn in the chimera? You don't... That's what I'm saying. That's not what Throne does. That's exactly.

But the specter of Thron and the danger of him being in control the machinations, the fact that you have to maneuver against him, all of that stuff, I think that provides the show with a tremendous amount of weight. And I feel like the show is building up towards something that has to be an explosion of sorts.

Think about what's happening here, guys. Let's think about this real quick. We can move off this. Let's think about this real quick. So when you're thinking about a show like Asoka, thinking about what the filmmakers are asking you to do. the film, think about it, I'm serious. With any of this stuff, right?

With any of this stuff, we know how this ends. Like, all of this stuff, we know how this stuff ends. Insofar as we know that it's going to end up New Republic versus First Order at some particular point, and these characters aren't around. So this show, more than we think that it does, sometimes. That's why I think sometimes we don't give these careers enough credit. They have to dig out a freeway that is like running parallel to a freeway that we already know, right, and convince us that the ride is just as smooth. And so all of this stuff, I think our problem with it, our issue with it a lot of times is either it's not good enough to be meaningful,

or it's not meaningful enough to be good. The second is harder than the first because it's just very hard to tell a meaningful story that you know the end of. Now, we might not know how Ezra dies. We might not know how Osoka dies. We might not know what happens to this crew of people. But in terms of the galaxy,

which is normally what Star Wars asks you to consider, we kind of know what happens. So my criticism, if I was to put on my Charles hat, is the more time in any of this stuff, any of the stuff that we're watching with Star Wars now, the more time you spend low stakes, the more time you spend low stakes,

the worse it is for your audience. The reason why Andor worked so much is because every scene was life and death. Every scene. And by the way, we know, we know, how our character dies, but the whole fucking show is about finding out why he was so willing to give his life. So every time you see something like that, you're like, this is how bad it was.

The casting and or that we meet when we meet him, and I'm not comparing these two shows. They're two different shows. I get it. But the Cassie and Andor we meet when we meet him kills a guy. And we're like, shit. But now the fucking shit makes sense. Like, you get it. So what I'm saying is, I get that we want to watch these shows just to have a good time.

but after a certain point, it's like, why would you wait fucking four episodes to bring the guy in? Why would you wait? So can I ask you this? For this,

because I do agree with you then. I think the most interesting version of this show would have Thrawn is like a Gus Fring from Breaking Bad type character where it's like almost every episode it's one character

trying to outsmart another and why wouldn't you do that with Thrawn at the forefront versus like making a show where most of it is searching for Thrawn. Because I'm like, the searching for Thron will never be as interesting as having the Thron on screen, especially because like, to your point, this is going to be finite. We're only going to get Thron for like this,

maybe another season of Mando or something. And that it's the movie. I'm like, I want to see him as much as possible because we're just not probably going to see him as much as we would like in the end. I mean, yeah. I mean, if we're going off legends, I know how he dies. But they're probably not going to do it that way. But, you know, I'm just saying it's like, it's all, it's all, it's fun to get back on the ride with your friends again.

But the story kind of has to drive towards something. And if it's this and if, and what we all feel like is what we all feel like. What it seems like is what they say it is, is Asoka says she's trying to avoid. avoid another war. They've had a galactic civil war, the good guys won. If Thrawn gets his shit back up, then perhaps there's a galactic civil war

where the good guys lose. We know that the good guys don't lose, but the first order does come, so the question is what's related to what, and how does it go? Does Throne cripple the new republic to such an extent

that the first order? Like, even if they do defeat Thrawn, is it a hollow victory because it allows the first order to rise when the new republic is rebuilding after another, like another quasi civil war? Interesting. Okay. Interesting stuff. Showrunner Chuck. Like, like, I dig it.

I'm just saying that with everything, and look, the show's already shot. I don't know why they do stuff like that. I don't know why I think Obi-Wan should have been, Obi-Wan should have woke up, and Vader's lightsaber should have been at his throat. I see you, Obie. Boom, six episodes of them just one big long lightsaber fight. Who fucking cares?

Nobody cares about anything else. It's just new characters, we don't care. Like, we gave them grace because they're from our community. But we all know that they sucked. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Dog!

No, we're not doing this. Please. No, lanchus. Oh, my God. I mean, look, I don't agree. If he shows a episode fourth, it's cool, it's great, it's gravy. I don't think the show has to do that for it to be successful. I got you.

I got you. And you're probably right. I'm wrong, like, 70% of the time. I'm here for the vibes. So, look, real quick, I want to ask one more, Charles' question about Baylon. We can all agree that Baylon's doing this thing. He's big. He's formidable.

Is he just like the physically biggest Jedi that we've seen? Is he like the biggest? Human? Human, yeah, human, of course. Is he the biggest? He's like a force user that looks like he could play like Jack linebacker or something like that. He also doesn't move that much, which was interesting.

Like, he's formidable, but like he's solid. I wouldn't want to go against him. Big picture here. Let's say the whole crew gets back together without Canaan. You saw Zeb, did you guys like another season of Rebels with live action? Can I start? Yes, of course. No.

I'm no to. I'm no to. Like, I'm no to. Yeah. I would just do it anime. Like, that's because, like, not to say that the story of Rebels is done or complete by any means, but like, I feel like the reason that we had all of those great, like, episodes and and characters and all of those great memories of those characters is,

because they began in the show. Like, I liken this to almost to, for the justified heads out there, CD of Prime Evil, where you had an entire run of a show and now you have this long, like years past, like, almost standalone season of sort of picking the mantle back up again

and seeing where these characters are after all this time. Not to say that Assoca can't continue on or the story can't go on, but like to know that like you, to recapture the Rebels' magic in this skin I feel like it's kind of

I feel like that would be a bit misguided knowing where these characters could go at the end of the thing. If it's a closing of another chapter, great. But I don't think that we need to like fire up the ghost again with the entire crew as it was before. I mean, we're firing up the ghost

right now. Yeah, we're running a better already. Yeah, but like is it like one last job or is it more of like, all right, and now we're off into the sunset. If this works, it is not going to be like, just one more job. Like, Faloni is gonna go.

I don't know. I kind of feel like if we got like an episode or like in the movie like a couple scenes where it's everybody except Canaan and they were just like all right,

you know, let's do this one thing and this little thing but it's not like a season to TV. It's just wrapped in within like a season of a sucker or the Mandalorian

or the movie that's supposed to come out. I can rob with that. A whole season of rebels. I don't know. We got a perfect, we got such a perfect ending to their story.

Baruto, where Ezra and Jason learning out to be Jedi, you don't want that? Rebels Brotherhood? No, man, I'm good, bro. I'm good. Essentially, all of these characters in some form or fashion will be back to fight against Thron in this major

sort of crossover event movie, right? So we're going to have... I don't be honest with you guys. This movie has a high... high chance of flopping. We talked about this, man. I think when the news came out, we had the conversation.

You got all the rebels' characters. You got the Mandalorian. Like, who else is in this bitch? Boba Fence in this bitch. The Vespa kids. Like, you got, you know what I'm saying? The skeleton crew? The skeleton crew.

The skeleton crew go be in this bitch. Star Wars Endgame. This is do it. has a high, high chance of flopping, bro. I'm just gonna be real, bro. Like, because,

because, okay, so, so let's be real. Let's be real about something. It is kind of odd. Kind of odd. A little odd

to see these characters in live action. Yes, yes. I was waiting for someone to admit it. It's like, the same error is a little like.

So I see Hera, and I'm looking at her jacket, it sometimes looks like cosplay. You know what I mean? Jesus Christ. I'm just being for real. It's like it's,

it's kind of, it's not a little odd. It's kind of odd to see these characters in live action. No. It's, I think, here's the thing.

I think it's because we might have probably never seen these characters in light of action before when we've had the interpretation of other people's cosplay and recreations of them in live action before. But it's a little uncanny valley where like sometimes the makeup, I'm just like, this is a human dressed up.

This is not era. And that's nothing against the actress or like the makeup artist. This is like I'm not attacking that. This is just purely from a, oh, okay. My mind is still thinking that this is like an animated character. It is jarring. Like even like the purple wig, I was like, okay. All right.

We are committed. That's a wigwash for sure. Like I don't know. I was really fond with the wig. In a way that like, because also, y'all like the mural scene. I did not like the cartoon mural scene.

Because I was just like, it's like, no, I dug that. I like that. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. No, no. It's because it's an artist's interpretation of them.

Like, that's fine. I like that. It's, it's a, it's a reference. It's a, it's a mural. It's a artist interpretation.

No. We're supposed to be like, look, it looks corny. Look, that's from. that's what they look like in the animated series. So you're telling me that in a fucking galaxy far far far away, they have Disney XD animation.

Clearly. No. They're not watching. Look at any mural in Los Angeles. You're the thing just like, oh, that doesn't look like that guy. I don't, it's not for them.

It's for us. Well, usually if like these are rebel heroes, like think about it. These people are like fucking war heroes. We wouldn't like spray paint graffiti like World War II, heroes as cartoons. Like no one does that.

Again, artistry, come on, that's not that deep. It's not that deep. It's not. Tell me the last time you've seen a graffiti mural

on Disney XD World War II fucking soldiers. It's not, it's not the hill. It's for us. It's for us to be like those are the characters

from the show. That's not of it, guys. That's between you and your God. No. Maybe I respect our truth. I'm gonna say. All right. Now, it's been admitted, but it's

all right. Okay, well, look, here's the deal. That doesn't take me out of it. I see what Charles said. I'm just saying it, you know, it's just going to take a little getting used to. Sure.

I'm just saying, I'm just being for real. It's just going to take a little getting used to. Just like, am I saying it's a little getting used to because, you know, they're dressed like they're drawn into cartoons and stuff. And with Asoka, here's the thing. With Asoka, totally works. Totally works.

But think about how Assoca was introduced in the Mandalorian. See, that's true. That's true. You know, it was a darker, like, we could take her seriously in a way where it's like, this is like, even if we talk about the cinematography of this, the first season of the Mandalorian works, because the way it shot like a Western, you're like, oh, I can take this bounty hunter and his kids seriously. Cadbane? Cadbane looked fine when he showed up.

But it's a different cinema. Like this cinematography, I'm like, okay, the lighting is not doing y'all any favors because this kind of, at some points looks like a Power Rangers episode. I'll just be honest. There were points where I was like, okay, the budget didn't clear on this. Obviously, Bob Eiger was like, hey, guys. You can only do so much in the volume, you know. You only do so much in the volume.

Oh, there were some volume shots where I'm like, okay, I can tell. y'all are in the volume for this. Just being real. Sorry. Here's what I'll say about the animated to live action thing because I'm going to draw a little bit of something you guys I know you. I don't think you guys are tapped into.

So in Star Trek Lower Decks and Star Trek the New World's had a crossover where Star Trek lower decks is animated. I saw it. And they had Jack Quaid come on. They had Jack Quaid and Tannie Newsom come in and play their animated counterparts

as live action, right? And that worked perfectly because you're taking two characters who know these characters, have it happening in these characters for three seasons on their show, doing the voices, and then plucked them and said, hey, can you give them life in live action, right? That's a little, that's different versus telling Mary Elizabeth Winston, hey, we want you to play this character who has been voiced by somebody else for four years on TV, now come and inhabit that character.

it's a little different, right? And so I can see why, like, when I watched Strange New Worlds, I saw Lower Dare characters, there's no, there's no misinformation in my head. They sound the same, the same like the anime characters, like it's a perfect one for one versus seeing now Mary Elizabeth Winstead play, you know,

like somebody who was voiced by somebody else for four years can be a little different. You know what I mean? Like, I can kind of understand. For me, it works, but I can understand why Frothers is a little I don't see it. Well said, Jummy. Way to get Star Wars, Star Trek

Lord Dex into the show. Gotta get that a dance off. It's great show. It's a great show. It's a lot of show. By the way, the Star Trek stuff over there on the P-plus hitting. He's got a hit a little bit. Whoa, no free ads. No free ads. P-plus. P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-Lus,

okay. Okay. Shouldn't that be Paramount Plus? Shouldn't they allow me? You know what? I don't get allowed to sing the theme songs for different stuff. I had a great Blue Beetle theme song. We let you sing that. We let you sing that.

But I'm saying it's like, but Blue Beetle didn't let me sing it. Like Blue Beetle didn't reach out and say, I don't know. You're not from their community. To be a good ally, you shouldn't be taking up room. I'm not an ally and I don't want any allies. What I'm saying is I want to be singing the Blue Beetle theme song because mine is the best. Here's what we do, Van.

Here's what we do, Van. Right now, I should be able to sing the Paramount Plus theme song real quick, Jambi. Pee, Pee, Pee, Pee, P plus, p p p p p p p plus. That's what we'll do, Van. We're going to, first of all, let's settle the strike. You know, pay the actors, pay the writers, right? Get this out the way. We'll get you, we'll put you in a meeting in front of Disney, Amazon, Netflix, everybody.

All right. And we'll show me skills. We'll get you a job guarantee. Easy. Make sure everybody get paid first and we get it. Make it happen. I could do a Disney Plus theme song. Disney Plus.

We have. You're selling a bag right now. Two channels that people actually like. Oh my gosh. Can we wrap this up, please? Some of us have dinner to eat. With powers. Okay.

Every show. What happens when witches are in the sixth grade? What happens when kids whose parents are interdimensional beings? I saw a show, an ad for a show about a girl and the girl died. I shit you not. There was a show. I swear. A God.

And she starts a blog about it. I swear to God, there is a show. And the show is about the girl she died. And then she went to hell. And she came back to life. Look, I swear. Somebody going to look that up. The girl died.

You're not giving us a lot of info, man. I swear to you. I promise you. The guy is this. There's a lot of women. That could be Twin Peaks. Like, there's a lot of shows. Is it Drop Dead Deva?

No. No. It is a kid show. about a girl, she's like in middle school or high school. She died. Nope, live action. She died. What channel?

So what happens is we'll leave, right? These weird kid shows that they're putting out. What happens if your parents have the skills, they're assassins, find out next on young assassins high? Like, these are the shows that they have and they got songs in there. When we leave the house, we put on cartoons from. Bozeman. So we'll turn on like Nick. That's so cute. Like

we'll turn on like Nick Jr. or something like that. Does he like Bluey? He likes Bluey. He fucks with Bluey so hard, bro. It's fucking nuts. Bluey's great. There's one cartoon about a girl that lives with a bear and she's friends with a bear. Okay? He likes that. And then there's

these puppies that build stuff. They like have a construction company. Like he fucks with them. He really likes these shows. I love Bozeman just sitting alone at the house is watching his His stories. Like me and Kaleek, I have so many videos with him just laying down, like watching TV. Okay?

But so I came back one time and on the commercial breaks for one of these shows, it was a show and it was the girl. She died, bro. She died. Can someone please reply to Van with the name of the show? I can't remember. She went to hell and then she came back with her friends that she met in hell and they had adventures in high school. Is this a little girl? Like, what did she do to get the hell that quickly?

Br, she's like 13 to 14 years old. What did she do to get into hell at 13? I promise you, bro. Y'all think I'm making it up. I swear. Every search comes up empty with it. I promise you, bro. I promise you, bro.

A girl, she goes, she dies. She goes to hell. She comes back. Show sounds rad. Did I dream this? You might have. I've never heard of this show. I promise you it's a real show.

Look at Midnight Mob, Midnight Riders. Look up this show, I promise you. These shows that they got on Disney are stupid, bro. I'm sorry, I don't give a fuck. I don't know if this was on Disney, though. I don't think it was on Disney. I think this was on one of those other shows. Is this ghosted?

Is that the show? Ghosted? It's about like ghosts, I think. It's about like Ghosts, I think. I don't think that's it. That's not the show. That's not high school. Wild old.

The people who are old in that show. I'm talking about this is a girl. She dies. She goes to the underworld. She goes to the hell. She comes. Okay, y'all, see, you know what? This is the same thing that happened with the whale and the wolf.

And y'all were wrong. You were kind of wrong. I was not wrong about the whale and the wolf. You were not wrong. Like, this is the same thing that happened. We had the bio this being like you didn't explain it right. I kind of feel like they cooked you for that. No, first of all, they did not cook me at all.

Jomi, that's what you would like to believe. The problem is this. None of you guys even realized that a whale is a wolf. Like nobody even, you guys didn't even know that. Can we wrap this episode of? All right, we got a wrap. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Charles. I apologize.

All right. I'm on the East Coast, too, by the way. All right, midnight meter time. Midnight meter, for case you guys don't remember, scale of 1 to 10, the 11 and 12 being reserved for game-changing situations. It would be very difficult for Premier to get a 12th. It's not going to happen. So this is basically from 1 to 10.

I'll go first. First two episodes are in 8. I was going to go 7. 7. Cool. Jummi. Nine. Eight for me. You know what?

Fuck it. I'm going seven. Okay. I change my mind. Joe's nine. That is annoying. That is annoying. I don't know why I went.

I'll be honest with you. I don't know why I went eight. Overly positive. Seven is a fine score. He was passing. He was passing. He was passing. Seven.

Charles has got PSA. Give it to us, Charles. All right. So I promised the last time I was on here before I went to Open Hagan and Stockholm that if y'all pre-order Joanna's book, MCU, the reign of Marvel Studios. I would say something nice about the MCU. You guys, I wanted to do this live because you have to check me.

I'm going to say something off the top of the dome, positive about the MCU. If it's not positive enough, tell me I'll try to make a new one. Can y'all keep me honest? I'm going to be quick about this. Yes, please. Kevin Faggie is the most important force in Hollywood of the last 25 years. Good? positive.

I mean, more observational than anything. Do I get a pass? No. I don't think you get a pass for that. I don't think that's just facts. I think that's more observation. That's like saying that Janus is the MVP. I don't get it.

Winter Soldier is one of the greatest sequels of all time. Positive? Positive. Come on, guys. Just give it to me. That's not. You said that before. You've said that before, though.

Let's talk. Okay. you made the Avengers cool, which no one else has been able to do. That's okay. Yeah, yeah, that's good. There you go. I only need like four or five more.

Damn. Uh, hmm. Man. Oh, boy. Come on, you can do this. Guys, can you give me some help? Oh, okay.

Okay. Y'all had white people. Y'all had white people doing the Wakanda Forever thing, which means that like there was some cultural healing. Um, three. Uh, four? Can you lie?

I never in my life did that. You definitely did Steve. No, I did not. Does this all to be honest? Can you lie? I can, I can lie. Oh, okay. Yo, Thor Ragnarok, fucking rules.

You guys got it right on the third time. Fucking rules. What else? Can I say something real quick? Can I just give you an example of something real quick? Because like saying, okay, Thor Ragnarok is good. That seems like you're saying, something positive, but it's like, say something positive about the NBA.

One example of saying something positive about the NBA is, hey, Michael Jordan was a really good basketball player, okay? It's kind of obvious. Another thing saying something positive about the NBA would be that the NBA changed the mechanism of professional sports in a fundamental way, that it opened up different areas of culture, expanded the reach of hip-hop, like a more than surface level commentary on what the NBA meant in a positive way to culture or to people. Or to say, hey, something I can say about the NBA, the NBA has made millionaires out of a lot of young black men who came from deprived or oppressed situation. That would be something saying the Bulls were really dope in 1996. Is it necessarily saying something good about the NBA?

So what do you know? The last two I'll go. Okay. Last two. The MCU, rightfully so, gave Robert Downey Jr. another chance. And I think, like, after seeing Oppenheimer, like, you know, I don't think we would have had that if, like, they weren't like, you know what? He's a star. But is that digging deep very positive?

That, that, yep, the MCU, yep, yep, hell of right. Last one. You know what? This is actually going to be like, I really do mean this. I think seeing Chadwick Boseman as, like, a superstar. Like, I'm talking about a household name. Like, I remember going to see, like, fucking 42. And just being like, this guy is just so mega talented.

And the fact that, like, for the short time that he was on this earth, people got to, like, respect his immense talent. Like, the MCU is not all of it. But, like, him being Black Panther is an important part. Like, that is something, like, very positive that I think about the MCU. There, last two, heartfelt? Fantastic. Absolutely.

Go fucking pre-order Joanna's book. It is amazing. Go get Joanna's book. So our Midnight Meera scores are, after that, rousing stuff from Charles, 7-7-9-8. Okay. They're going to kill us, yo. Why? They're going to kill us.

You know what? First of all, if the Midnight Mob and the Midnight Riders can't find a name with a show with the young girl who died who went to hell and came back to have hijinks with her friends. I don't want to hear nothing. Because all I get is criticism. All we get is criticism.

I live a life of criticism. Everywhere I say is ripped apart and criticized. And guess what? I signed up for it. That's what it is. But do me one fucking favorite besides the awesome songs and art that you guys make. We actually love you guys

because you guys make stuff like that. Oh, you guys are so dope. You guys are so amazing. Planet Artemis music. Jomi shared all of this with us. We absolutely love what stuff like that is shared with us and create it. And it's not necessarily because it's the feeding of some sort of ego. It's because it reminds us that we're having an impact and doing what we're set out to do,

which is to entertain you guys, make you guys think, and have fun with you guys. So that's really awesome when you guys do that. Yeah, I couldn't say it better myself. Thank you. Like from the bottom of my heart, it means thorough. Yeah, we love you guys. But five, you guys can't find out

the name of the show. You're useless. So I'm like, uh, all right. That's a wrap. Also on the socials, Insta, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, save Jomey's job. Bro. On Monday, a minute issue will return.

Don't know what they're doing yet. Next week, the Midnight Boys will be giving you our instant reactions to Assoc. I'm doing that all season long. Okay? Next week is episode three of Assoca. You get back to it. Get right back on a horse.

Get right back on a horse. on the speeder, back on the banta. Okay, doing the whole thing. Be sure to check out new House of Our Feed for all kinds of stuff. House of Our Feed is going up.

It's as much mal as you can handle and as much Joe as you can believe is there for you. Right in your face. Right in your face. Timothy Oliphant, Joe. All right, credits. Our producer is Steve, the architect, Alman. Joe Me Dinner on. It's on socials.

Hashtag. Show me animation only. An additional production from Arjuna, Rama Capal. Charles, take us out. Find the Devil, Girl Show for Van, Midnight Boys are back, and the most hated. And remember, if you're going to have a flashback in your show, it has to be anime. At some point, at some point, like, there's a point where the heroes that you love, they either. Batman?

Absolutely Batman likes doing what he's doing The car, chicks did the car Batman likes You show Batman something new Batman goes oh cool Whoa, whoa He's definitely like 80 20

80% 80% low I didn't say no no 80 20 like you guys Batman likes Fucking people up at night No he doesn't Are you fucking out of your mind? He likes doing it.

Batman likes. Batman likes. Going out and beating the shit out of people. I was going to ask this off air, but I have to ask this now since we're talking about Batman. This could be like, extra credit, whatever. Where is Gotham City?

Niggas don't know. Niggas. They moved it to Chicago. It used to be New York. It used to be New York because it's obviously Gotham City. That's a nickname for New York. I heard somebody say it was New Jersey. It's New Jersey.

in the comics. If Batman beats my ass in Jersey, like here's the thing. Being from Chicago is whatever, a crazy dude in a bat suit from New Jersey, like Newark, like being a motherfucker is up, is, like, it's insane.

It's tough. It's, but look, it's a huge city with endless fucking, a skyline, and they got special statues for him to jump off of.

It doesn't matter where it's at. Special statues. Biddle, would you rather be beat up from the Chicago Batman or the Newark Batman? I would take Chicago. I'm not about to dis, Newark, like that.

You're going to get fucked up. You're going to get fucked up.