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Episode Date: August 19, 2024

Jomi and Steve are joined by Daniel Chin to dive into the latest in fandom. First, they take the pod to outer space when reacting to ‘Alien: Romulus’ (05:00), and then the guys jump into the animated world of ‘Watchmen: Chapter I’ as they break down the latest iteration of the franchise (45:00). Hosts: Jomi Adeniran and Steve Ahlman Guest: Daniel Chin Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Jomey Dineron. And welcome back to Mint Edition, the once-in-a-while podcast about the latest family that you just can't live without. It's an auspicious Monday morning, Jomey. Monday, I love Mondays. You do? I'm like the anti-garfield. Right. So you don't like lasagna.

Love Monday. It's the thing about lasagna. Whoa, whoa, whoa, careful now. Curbs turning to you like a fucking bond villain. No more ricotta in lasagna. What? What? No more ricotta.

No, no, you're not getting this take off, bro. What, okay, fine. Replace ricotta in lasagna. Just the best of me is enough for me, man. I can't do ricotta. That's the bottom line. I can't do it. I don't want to claim too much Italian heritage on this podcast in front of you,

but we've got to keep you away from this cuisine. I can't do it. I don't know what it is about ricotta. Bro, let me tell you something. One time I was on TikTok and I saw this recipe for like this brown butter, lemon ricotta, pasta, ricotta, pasta, yeah, pasta and yokey thing. Okay. Which is not lasagna.

It's not lasagna, right? But it was ricotta. And I was like, I love brown butter. I love lemon. Sure. I love pasta. Let's let it go. Okay.

I'm, bro, I spent, I went to Whole Foods, dog. You see Chris for Nolan? Bro, I spent $100 on ingredients, bro. I made it. Took one bite. I was like, this is the worst thing I had. I feel like you played yourself. You didn't need to invest that much on an experiment recipe.

So you want me to go to the save on and get the $3 joints, right? I could be saved my money, but if you're going to do it, you got to do it right. I'm sure, yes. Premium ingredients. I'm not saying go to the bargain bin to sacrifice something that you don't know about. I should go to the 99th store, rest in peace, to go pick up ingredients, what you're saying. You calling me broke. That's crazy, Steve.

That's crazy. I'm not calling you nothing. All right. But what I am calling for is some programming reminders before we get to the actual pod ourselves. Tomorrow, the House of Arc is going to give you their fall hype meter, along with this Wednesday the Midnight Boys return to the fold to give you their state of the summer franchises. MCU, Game of Thrones, Star Wars, everything in between. All of it.

They're going to talk about it. On today's show, we're bringing you our impressions and our review of Alien Romulus, as well as taking a little look, just a little peek. at Watchman chapter one, the animated outing from D.C. But to usher that in with us is oh man, we need a good title

for him. You need a very good title for him. Like what the King of New York, A. Number One Duke of all things is called. It's Daniel Chin. Everybody, welcome Daniel Chin to the show. Yeah, buddy. We missed you. Let's call him. Guys, thanks for having me back here.

Call him number one. Number one. You know, Mr. President. I'll take it. Mr. President. You know, capital? Because he's, you know, Washington, D.C. Watch it! Hey! Get down, Mr. President.

D.C., what's going on? What's going on, guys? How you doing? Good, good. How you been, my man? You're looking good, you know? You take care of yourself up there in New York, my man? Yeah, man, not too bad.

Looking like you smell good. At the NBA season coming around the way, you know, Nix are looking good. Ah, it's that type of year. Full of hope, full of life. You know, at what? I mean, the thing about the Nix's, it's kind of great. It's kind of a great time to be at Nix's. man, you know the Nova Dix out here?

Yes, bro. Listen, hey, I'm watching hard knocks and the Bears are, it's going to happen. Yeah, man. That's right. Six wins, baby. Six wins. Six wins. Yeah. Sheet for seven, nowhere but up. That's right. That's right.

Iber Fluse will save us. No, he won't. No, I won't. Daniel, how are you feeling? How was your weekend? How was, how are all these things that are coming on in your life? You know, not too bad right now. I just saw Alien Romulus last night, so we'll obviously get into that.

I very much enjoyed that movie. And, you know, not too much else going on, man. Thrilling developments, we all appreciate that. Love it for them. Let's get into the show, honestly. We have a lot to talk about here. We're going to give you a big, big spoiler warning for all of the alien films, including Alien Romulus, and just for a little bit of alien lore as well,

because aliens are long-standing science fiction franchise, monster movies galore, and probably some of the most storied canon south of Star Wars at this point. There's a lot going on. There's a lot. There's a lot going on. So let's get into it.

Welcome to the Romulus Space Station. Okay, some quick facts. Alien Romulus, directed by Fidi Alvarez. Screenplay by Royosayegis and Fidi Alvarez, cinematography by Gallo Olivare. production design, big shout out there, legacy effects with a budget of

80 million with a wonderful cast. It takes place 20 years after the first film, a rag tag group of Wayland Utani miners find their way to escape off of a derelict ship to find salvation when they are met with the alien and xenomorph. Guys, this comes after a couple of years off of the Prometheus sequel film,

still waiting on a third from Ridley Scott. We are, actually. And conotically, very much aligned with the first alien, very highly hyped from this director, Fidi Alvarez, who did the Evil Dead remake in 2013, Don't Breathe, a very accomplished Indian mainstream horror director. I'll start with you, Jomey. What did you think about Alien Romulus?

So I just want to preface this by saying that I don't watch scary movies. Like, it's not a thing that I do at all? At all. At all. When the trailer comes out and they'd be doing like the jump scare stuff in the thing, I'm like, I will not be there for that one. Y'all enjoy it, though. I'm sure you guys will have fun. But me personally, yeah, it's not for me.

So I was, I mean, I've seen the alien movies, so I know, like, kind of, you expect. So you've seen the first one? I've seen Alien, aliens. Okay. And then Covenant and Prometheus. Okay. So I had a pretty good coverage for Alien Romulus. and so I come in and I'm like, I'm going to be scared.

And I was by how much I enjoyed the movie. It was really cool. Yeah. It was a lot of fun. I tweeted. I spent the whole movie going like, ah, hell not. Gross. It was gross.

You know, but I think the, like, it's a return to form for a franchise that, I don't want to say, like, lost its way. But, you know, a lot of dip on the chip there, you know, with Prometheus and Covenant. I felt like this got back to the roots of the alien films and I really, really, really, really enjoyed what they did. Daniel Chin, how do you feel? I actually really love this movie and I went in with low expectations. I've seen all the alien movies.

I like the alien movies. I hadn't seen them in a long time. But I don't know, maybe it's just like the fact that so many remakes and like sequels or just like franchise movies, I know it's not a remake, but like twisters coming out in the same summer all these things are kind of like relying on nostalgia. But I really enjoy this movie. And I like horror movies and just really the tendencies that I had.

I've liked, I loved Don't Breathe. There's just a lot of things about this movie that I went in and like with kind of low expectations, but it came out like very entertained. Like very happy with this. I would co-sign with that from UDC. I think that like the most exciting thing that I went into this movie with is the fact that Fidi Alvarez is directing it because I really, really enjoyed, both like the spirit and inventiveness that his Evil Dead remake, along with Don't Breathe, have. Like, he wants to try to do something that's, like, especially with Evil Dead, like, he tried

to, like, really, like, both reinvent and, like, rekindle an energy of a franchise that he himself loves. And for a movie that comes from a director that was kind of raised on this franchise, to be this enthusiastic about it and this skilled at bringing back the things that make these movies very good, I was wildly impressed. I think it looks incredible.

I think the effects both practical and some digital are staggering. We're going to talk about that in a second. I promise you. But for the most part, I think this is wildly impressive. I want to also talk about the cast of characters that we have here.

I think the standout for all of us is going to be Andy, played by David Johnson, our Android character. Industry Hive, industry Hive, stand up, easily, like, the best performance of this movie and a very memorable one. What did you think about the cast?

What did you think about this story that's told here? While not being too tapped into alien lore and maybe not as, like, you know, invested as we are with, say, maybe a Star Wars or even an MCU, what did you think about, like, the kind of, overall plot that comes with the alien lore. Did you feel lost or anything?

Jomi. No, no, I mean, it's pretty simple. You know, you go to a spot and there are aliens there and you have to escape. It's really, it's really, you know, that's how all of alien movies should be really. In terms of the cast, I thought this was a very, very, very well-casted movie in terms of getting like a bunch of young actors, some of which we've seen, you know? I think Cali, she was in Civil War this year, David Johnson, obviously, industry, and Archie Renault, shout out my upgrade people, my rom-com people, so I upgrade on a prime video.

Just like a talented young cast that I thought sold the action, sold the story really well. I think if I needed to give like a big, like my biggest shout out, it's probably a, the screenplay the movie's so tight you know they're like yo we gotta get off the planet all right

we're on the thing we're on the shit boom then the movie just goes like I first think of like a very evolved Pixar scripts because every single character and every bit of dialogue

has to kind of inform something about either a character where they're going what they're doing or how they felt prior there's no wasted space in the beginning of the film when they're going

to the space station originally Andy is standing under the drop zone with the hooks. Yeah. And he hits it. And Bjorn is like, Hey,

hey, bro, move. You don't need all that. Like, get off the way. And that's what saves Rain's life at the end. She hooks herself to the thing. Like, there's nothing that's wasted

in the film. And, you know, again, a lot of that stuff in most films, you see something. You're like, oh, that's going to be something later. And then it does.

it. In this film, every single sentence, every single moment isn't wasted. And I think that that's the mark of a really, really, really, really tight movie. Yeah, I definitely agree with it. I mean, it was just really well made. I think even just from the opening credits and just seeing like the cinematography of the movie from like up top, I was like, damn, this is like just a really well-made movie. Like everything, everything is really tight. Just about like you said, Jumme, like with the scripts, but just even just when they're floating around with the anti-gravity when they get into the ship. For sure.

With the camera, like floating around with it. It just all looks really cool. No wasted space. Once they get to the cryer, the cryo chambers and the, the face-argoes start popping off,

it just, it's just one, it's at 100 from there and it just keeps going through the end of the film. I want to talk about like the scale that this movie presents. Any of you happen to see this

in IMAX? No. We don't have money like you, my boy. Okay, well, I got sent. This is the second time you called us broke. Well, I'm not calling you broke. I'm just saying that I got sent to a screening

that was an IMA And I would actually, anybody that's curious about this, if you haven't seen it already, or wish to see it again, definitely spring for IMAX for this one. Because I think the way that this is framed, especially when we have these shots of these big, this big derelict shipped or the interaction

of like the rings around the planet that they're orbiting, it's incredibly scaled. And one of the bigger like things that, not to say that these alien, that the original alien movies were lacking in any way, but it really gives you the sense of like a space epic that makes this bigger than what they are and like the actual like size of the place that they're operating in

even for as you know modest a budget of 80 million dollars that this movie had which again not modest modest but still by our standards it's you know pretty pretty nuts that they were able to pull something off that was this good looking but I wanted to actually talk about some of the things that kind of thrilled you the most when it came to this show because like there's there's a lot of great set pieces and there are a lot of things that make the alien movies stand out when it comes to like horror elements and action.

There's a lot that comes with trying to find a good balance. Daniel, do you think that there's a way that they were able to make a good balance of like an action set piece versus a horror set piece versus a moment to give you some good character work because I think that there's a pretty big order for a movie that that's this tight to get everything right. Definitely. Yeah. I mean, I think honestly, like really all around, they did a really good job of all those things. Like the action sequences were really great. The horror elements, like you can see how, how seasoned that Fidei Alvarez is in this genre. The character, even though like some of the characters are a little bit tropey, I think they

did a good job of like setting them up and, making it work with the rest of the story. Like, even the cousin, I forget the character's name, like how he, like, really doesn't like Andy. Like, he's not, you know, he's so anti-synthetics. Bjorne. Headband boy. His name is Bjoren, really?

Yes, it's Bjoren. Wow. I didn't know they had Swedish people in space. In a Spotify studio, Steve, that's nuts. That's crazy. Daniel Eck is going to find you. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, you can see him just going to kill. I'm sweating bullets now. Sweating bullets. Daniel X listened to the podcast. Steve said No Swedes in space.

Now they'll be the first. That's their space station. They made it. They made the Romulus Rima Space Station? Exactly. That got infected by the aliens? I'll tell you what they won't do

is replace ricotta in lasagna. I don't like it. No. I don't like it. No, but I think those characters are very well balanced and I think that the story comes

amazing. I think it does that great thing of like you don't really know who's going to last at the end of this story. Yeah, you do. Well, people are going to get got. I think there were a couple of fun twists. Not really. It's an alien movie. The short hair girl with the brown hair

ejects the alien from the freaking ship through the airlock and then goes into crowd sleep. That's how it ends. That's how it always ends. That's how the first movie ended. It's definitely how this one ended. I mean, I don't think, oh, did she go to crowd sleep? Yes, she does. Yeah. And then in Covenant and Prometheus, like it's just The short-haired brown-haired girl just wins all the time.

That's how it goes. You mentioned it earlier, Daniel, but I think the scene that got this movie made, if I had to, like, put something on it. Did you sell this movie on something? To sell this movie, if I went into the picture, it was like, this scene is going to make the movie. It's the zero-g acid scene. That was awesome, right?

Because you have, like, the little gun, little thing. She's doing, blah-da-da-da-va. You got aim assist on. Right? And it looks cool. But then you got to, like, go through zero G with the acid.

And again, the movie does a really good job of explaining us, guys, acid is bad. It kills Bjorn. It opens holes in the ship. And that's a great.

That's an awesome, fun conceit because, again, like the script informs of like, I'm like, okay, like if you shoot them

and kill them, it's going to drop through the end of the ship and then you're going to depressurize the whole fucking place and you're going to die anyway. So you can't kill them

outright. Yeah. But you've got at least let them know that you're a threat. Okay, so turn the gravity off and then go to town. And then you got to like avoid all the goo

that'll burn your skin, burn a hole through your body. I thought that part, I mean, again, like once they get into the crowd tube is just like on and running, that particular scene showed how like smart and how much like fun they're having making this movie.

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Well, because there's some interesting things that we've seen around both online and, like, when I was watching the movie that were very indicative of a movie that was very informed by fan service. And I think we can liken this. I'm not comparing these directly, but at least structure-wise, to like a soft reboot of a franchise that seemingly, if not, is either dormant but is in need of revitalization. you could put this, you can describe this with the Force Awakens, you can describe this with Ghostbusters afterlife.

You can describe, respect alien Romulus. Oh my God. But there are ways that franchises have done this that are both informed by like resparking this for like either a new audience that knows the hits of this franchise

and what makes them good, but also may or may not be too reliant upon the things that make it great in order to feel original. There are definitely levels to it though, I think. I think, like,

if force, like force, I don't want to, I mean, Rise of Skywalker is bad, but it, it, I would say Force Awakens

if we had to put it on a scale of one to 10. It's like an eight or a nine. On the fan service? On like the, well, we're just gonna, yes,

on the, we're just going to give you that, that movie that you liked that one time. And we're going to do that again. And we're going to just do that again. And you're going to love it

because that's what we know you like that. But in, In regards to the first alien movie, or at least the first, let's say, two, this has a pretty big mashup of all of the things that make alien movies good. Which is why I think it's a little different, right? You can still, like, again, if I had to put it on a scale 1 to 10, I'd put it like a 4, right? It definitely borrows elements from the stuff that we know and like from the aliens universe.

My thing is, and what makes it a little bit different, is that we haven't got a like an alien movie since aliens that was 400 years like alien alien aliens I'm talking like James Cameron the Marines sure from and that was 400 years ago right right I don't you uh Daniel you said you liked all the alien movies I know you didn't like aliens three and I know you didn't like alien resurrection don't do that resurrection is not like egregious but like let's be three three is like clearly widely known as the worst one. Right. And then Prometheus and Covenant,

while like not the worst movies in the franchise, are definitely different. Sure. Than what we're come to expect from an alien movie. He definitely starts to blend together. Yeah. Exactly. I don't know.

Right. So this movie takes all the stuff that we know we like from the old school movies and blends it together in a way that I don't think while like it's there. It's not egregious like Force Awakens. It's not as egregious as bringing a Marvel Marvel Downey Jr. Oh my God.

Marvel Downey Jr. I mean, honestly, that's what it is now. That's basically what it is. Bringing Robert Downey Jr. back to Marvel, right? Like, it's not like, oh, that thing you like, here it is. Sure. It kind of does do that when Andy's like,

leave her alone or... Get away from her you bitch. You know what I'm saying? Like, all right, you can do it like once. You know what I'm saying? You get a couple. You get a couple. Especially when you're doing like an IP or like a,

you know, like IP specific thing. But to, like, Yes, you're not wrong, but I don't think it's as bad as people are making it out. And this is the question I'm going to pose to you, Daniel, all of these things being said, if all of these things are mixed together and you have a lot of fan service

but while also executing on them very, very well, does it matter? Do you still enjoy it? I think, I mean, that's what I was going to say honestly, because like, I think while at times it can be a little heavy handed, like the get away

from her you bitch line, it's a little Or I prefer an artificial person. Like that's another line lifted directly from the other one. Like those things are very iterative. But ultimately, if it's good, does it matter? Exactly. I mean, I think the way that the rest of it is packaged and the way that the movie is made, like, they do so much of it on its own that's reinventive.

And even just like the way that they're introducing Andy as being synthetic, I thought was really cool. And just the whole conceits of him being, like, damaged. And like him, like, getting, you know, the new directive and all of that. I think it's like the way that they're, remixing certain things that are already familiar and repackaging them in this way that looks really, really good and is like really

just a fun horror movie. I think that all works for me. Yes, like it makes some things a little bit predictable. Like, the end of the movie, you know how it's going to end. I didn't think it would end almost bar for bar like the original one though. Okay, again, alien and aliens have the same ending. They do.

But that's the thing, though. Like, it's like beat for beat though, it's still the same. Yeah. And I don't like, I, I, I toss my hand up being like, does it matter if I liked it? And does it take away from it if I did like it?

See what I'm saying? You're too woke. Too woke. Oh, just like the shit. Just like it. I liked it. But it was kind of the same as the other thing.

And because it's the same as the other thing, can I like it because it's not new? No, and no, truly, you are right. Because it's like, do I, should I give less of a shit if I, at the end of the day enjoyed it. And ultimately, I don't. But I think there's going to be one thing

that we kind of have to talk about it. We gotta talk about it. And this is very tough. And this is the, basically the bringing back of the character of Rook, played by Ian Holm,

who has, who was, who was Ash in the first one, right? Who was Ash in the first one, known as Rook, uh, as his,

as his, uh, synthetic name. Um, brought back to life by the use of CGI. and, more or less a primary antagonist in this film. Well, I feel like the aliens are the primary antagonist.

Yes, but as a person that is a foil. Somebody I can speak. Yeah, he can speak. And he's like a main foil for a lot for like both Andy and the majority of the kids as far as their survival. He jeopardize the survival of the company of the company over these kids. So how I'll just straight up, Daniel, how did you feel about this when it first came on and how do you feel about it a little bit after now that we're talking about it?

I think one thing that definitely took me out was the de-aging and like, or not the de-aging, but just like the CGI kind of effect was definitely like kind of uncanny valley a little bit. It did not look good in certain spots. Because I mean, the rest of it looks so good, like especially with how much of like practical effects usage there is with aliens themselves. So I think going from that to like there and just seeing how like synthetics are normally just human actors. So it's like that definitely took me out a little bit.

But it had been so, like, honestly, like, speaking to this whole conversation about how how similar it is to the other movies, it had been so long since I'd seen the first alien movie and aliens that, like, it didn't bother me too, too much. Because, like, it was like, oh, like, there's that guy. Like, I kind of remember that guy. If I had just rewatched all of those movies again, I might feel a little differently. So I was, like, kind of glad that I went in, like, not exactly blind, but a little bit blind.

So, I mean, I don't know. It's like, it is a little tricky when the aliens, again, they don't speak. so you need somebody to come in and kind of offer those. He had a huge exhibition done. And he has a lot of contextual and he contextualizes a lot between. Yeah, but I call that good exposition because there's a lot of stuff that the company, like, for the people that are actually interested in that stuff, if it was any other character delivering that exposition, I would actually be fascinated because of the fact that like, okay, so since

Ripley had had her run in with the alien, they were like the company had found out about that and then they were looking for that alien floating about through space while they had also been in possession of the Promethean element from those prior movies which blew my mind. Prometheus mentioned,

Ra! That's the agents of shield and lives. But the fact that all of those things are kind of like interwoven, I really, really liked, but there's this interesting principled stance that I can feel in my gut being like, this feels wrong

to CGify a past actors face for the sake of merely like, oh, a callback, hey, it's him, don't you remember him? Rogue one. Right, and we've seen this

multiple times. And I think that I think of all of the things that this movie, like, could have done right or touted doing right for a movie that's like very, very proud of the fact that it has these amazing practical effects.

amazing, like, puppetry and, like, mechanical work that's done on behalf of the xenomorphs and all these great effects, to turn around and do this feels like a, it really feels like a misstep after this. I feel, I feel like it's threefold, right? First and foremost, it doesn't look great. It did not. There were moments when it did. There were moments if it was, like, in too much shadow or just far back enough where it was

like, okay, this could, like, look. But, like, the way that the effect looked to me, it was. kind of immaterial. It doesn't look great. That's one. Two, you didn't have to do it. No.

I don't think it could have been any synthetic. It could have been anybody. Bring back fast bender for that case. Like he's a... Nah. I'm not trying to see David play the flute. I've seen,

it's enough for me. That's enough for me. You don't want him to Andre 3000 his way through that ship? No. No, I'm not really there yet. No. And three, yeah, to your big point, Steve.

In home. Shout out. You know, rest of peace, Bilbo Baggins. you know, it's no longer with us. Legend. Ian Holm is a prolific actor. It's been like credits longer than, longer than Brandon Ingram's arms.

You know what I mean? And so ultimately just felt like you didn't, like, that was, I don't say grotesque because, but it is kind of, it's kind of weird. You didn't have to do that at all. You know, so it's just like, on three levels, it was like, there was no need for that. He could have just, again,

he's got such a great young cast. You could put anybody in there. It could have been mother. It could have been like a haunting. There are so many other ways to have done what you did for the sake of both. Like, I understand Rook's like involvement in the story and what he's sickness. Like it's the looming danger of Whalen Utani. It's the like cold calculus of like this entity chasing and prioritizing this organism over actual people.

All of those metaphors are sound. and the way that it fits with the story is really, really great. I think just the principled use of this sits wrong with me right now. And it took me a minute to really get there, but I don't think I like it. You don't like it. No, I don't like it.

And frankly, I think all of the other bits of fan service that this movie commits, I would have been honestly fine with if this didn't happen. Because this was the most blatant thing that feels disingenuous to the point of like, okay, it's completely unnecessary and we're only doing it for this one reason. All of this get away from her, you bitch. All of this like small liftings of lines and like winks and nods to the camera of other things.

I can like. I can appreciate or at least I can tolerate. I feel like this is the thing that made me feel like, okay, well, what was the whole point of this entire exercise? If not to just play the hits. Yeah. This is really the one. thing that feels like it was running counter with the rest of the sensibilities of this movie and like how reinventive it is.

Because like, yeah, I mean, it's like to your point, Steve, like, they're always going to be like little nods like that. Like, like for this movie, I thought a lot about prey. Do you guys ever see that? The Predator. Oh, yeah. On Hulu. Yeah.

Like, honestly, that was all I was hoping that this was going to be like that movie at best, like, kind of a way, like a fun, you know, new entry into the franchise that, like, we'll have some callbacks and stuff like that, but it will feel like something new on its own. And I think it really, for the most part, to achieve that. But this was one line where I felt like it was a little, it was a little bit too much. Whenever that you're bringing back a dead actor to, like, put them on screen through CGI, it's like, just don't do that. Now, now, it's quick divergence. Would prey have been better if one of the characters in that film said you're one ugly motherfucker? Oh, dude. In Comanche? In Comanche? That actually would have been sick.

Got been fired. That would have been a guy. I mean, so, Steve, you think the villain was Rook. I've on record saying that obviously the villains is, but you know what the real villain is. Capitalism. Capitalism, baby. That's the real shit. That's the real shit. That's the real shit. Got to do it for the company.

No. So you guys like the alien at the end? Honestly, that's the crazy shit that I actually like about these movies. I really, really do. Because no, like the, because the alien franchise evolved into this thing. That's what gets you out of bed, bro? That's what gets you out of bed, bro? You're like, I can't wait to see his ugly...

I can't wait to see some ugly, like, eight-foot-tall alien baby. Bro, Nick Na, Nickyam in the movie, I was done, bro. Crazy elbows. Bro, he long... I was like, God damn, bro. He was out there on the spaceship messing out. I was like, bro, you mess up with the wrong rockets, bro. You mess up with the wrong rockets.

Get into paint, dog. Lock in, man. The Lakers need the center. Where are you at? My boy. Can you shoot? Do you think Braille... Do you think LeBron could meddle to get him on the roster?

Oh my God, let me tell you something. If that boy... The Bron's calling up Whaling Utani right now. It's like, I need him. Clearly, he can move his feet. Right? He's got some foot speed. Sure.

If he could put the ball on who, Brian going to find it. Honestly, you won't fight. Like, honestly, he's sneaky. It's really good on the screen. I'm, I'm... Oh, the picking roll of Brown with change laws. Oh, my God. Disasterous.

Yo, Brian. Yo, we need to put Brown in the cryout, too. Hit the switch. Hit the switch. Yo, Ron Polika, go watch Alien Robulus. You got to go... And if he doesn't like, you, just... A little bit of...

And it's just acid, baby. This is how down the Lakers fan base is right now. You got to pull an alien out of the franchise. Brother, man. Brother, brother. It's either that or Jackson Hayes. I'm saying, bro. It's either that or Christian would, my boy.

Begging for scraps. We caught up in the tough right now. Begging for scraps. But no, I mean, so it's one of those things that the alien franchise does. I didn't watch Alien 3, but apparently there are dogs, Alien dogs in that one Or is that resurrection? That was three.

That was three, right? So like the mythos around that the aliens is that they can pretty much bond with whatever thing they do. And so when she puts the goo in her neck, which by the way, dumb fucking movie. You know what I'm saying? It's a horror movie. People are going to do dumb stuff.

That's how it goes. But I get it. Like you're desperate. You think you're going to die. Yeah, you want to save your baby. Which by the way. And the defense, she also wasn't around for anything too. Yes. By the way, we got to have a talk. about this. Whose baby was that? Because I have a theory. Oh, theory. I have a theory, right? Okay.

So, God. This is hot gosh Jomey. We know that Navarro and Bjorn together. Right, sure. I don't think that's his baby. I think that's, I think that's Boren's baby. That's her cousin, right? Isn't that her cousin? Oh, never mind. Well, there goes that theory. Cut that. No, no, no, he didn't cut it.

She's got it. She's got wrong. She's like some random random guy or something. She literally says this, some asshole. Some asshole. And I'm like, I'm like, well, he's an asshole. He's kind of a dick. And then like, when, like, they, um, uh, when they're like in the hallway together, right, like, right before he dies, they're kind of really close. I was like, hmm, was he, because he's a dick?

I was like, was he cheating. Well, if it was just some guy. It probably was some guy. It probably was some guy. I just wanted to be hopeful. You know what we never see. I'm messy. You know what I'm saying?

Sure, of course. You want the drama. You don't know what life is like in the colony. I know, man. We just got off. The population was like below 3,000. We just got off Game of Thrones, you know what I'm saying? So you're saying if you had your way with the Alien franchise, you'd make skin in space.

Skins in space. So you just do some words together. Have you not seen skins? No. Oh my God, bro. That's the one with, um, there's a lot of like, Robert Sheena was in skins, right? Robert Sheena was in skins, Daly Kaluya was in skins. They got superpowers in one?

No, no, no. They're just kids in the UK, like going through high school. Drama. It's great. I like in between us better. Anywho. That's fair. No, I mean, so I guess it's not his baby.

Anyway, but I thought that the scene where Victor Wimanjama is like cradling her, and I thought like, oh, that's nice. Oh, he's just eating. Oh, he's eating her. Oh, that's nasty. That's tough. Real nasty. Real nasty.

It kind of reminds, like, I, it kind of, like, they show the face. And I'm like, the engineer. Yeah, yeah, that's the comedian. Yeah. You know, I didn't know that they could look like that. but I guess anything's possible. I mean, it's again, it's like the, it's that weird factor of just like,

okay, so I guess that's what you get when you mix like former alien goo with Promethean goo, pregnant mom, go. Then it's a nine foot tall mega baby with gangly arms and like razor hands. Yeah.

Which I'm like, honestly, for the wildness of that design, cool. Like, I'm cool with it. You know, the movie's so good, we don't think about how, like, all the other aliens show up and kind of like, hey, where'd those guys come from? Right. Where did all of them come from? Because, like, you know, the face suckers, you implant the egg and then the little things are.

Well, because they had, like, what looked like dozens. Dozens of them. It had to be hundreds. It had to be hundreds. Had to be hundreds of them. Honestly, the scariest shot of, like, now we're just talking about shit, that was cool. The scariest shot to me was when Adam was rebooting And it looked like he was praying

And it was like he was looking up And there was just that wall of facehuggers Like slowly like getting warmer and warmer and warmer And I'm like ah fuck that's so cool And like we're talking like just strictly facehuggers The scene where Navarro gets got Well the door is about to close And then one just goes

And like that's like oh hell now bro Like you gotta and look maybe this is crafts of me, maybe this is me being insensitive. I'm team Andy. She can't come back on the ship guy. Well, that's, hey, that's OG Ripley mentality. We saw the guy get infected.

He can't be on this fucking ship. He can't come back with this, guys. Done so. Do you, like me, I don't, he doesn't exactly know what the thing is, but like, that can't be good. How about, how about this? How about we just let her hang out for like 12 hours?

Set her up in quarantine. Yeah. Let's just see what happens. and immediately gets on the ship. Nope. And that little lady's like, yeah, what's up? It's my turn. What's going on?

Real bad vibes. Horrible vibes. The use of the X-ray gun thing was... Oh, my God, crazy. Again, no. Every time they flipped, like, one of those big, like, memorable... Like, you know, obviously, the original alien

popping out of the chest is, like, the most iconic thing. For sure. The way they use that, like, the X-ray to kind of revamp that a little bit. And to see the rib cage just expand and, like, God, so nasty, so good. Daniel, what was another great set piece that you love before we get out of here? I mean, I really do think, like,

the anti-grav with the with the alien blood. Was one of my favorites. Honestly, really just, like, stylistically, it just looked really cool throughout. Like, just them, even just going into the ship for the first time. For sure.

And then, like, going through the dark ship. Like, it just looked really cool. The camera movement they use is, like, really cool. It's, like, really sleek. Yeah, and I love, space movies where you get to see the scale of how small a person is by contrast how big the ship

is. And honestly that third act of like it looked like it sounds egregious but like the idea of like that hangar just being like completely scraped off the bottom of the ship and it's if you're like you're putting that that entire ship into like a sander

and it's like just slowly disseminating from the top to the bottom it looked incredible. Absolutely insane. I think for me to your point is the ship like crashing into the to the rings right they set the clock they're like you have 36 hours

and the explosion happens man you got 45 minutes that countdown was super accurate by the way good luck champ right and then like watching it crash into the I get I didn't say my imax which I look great there oh my god but even in my theater right it looked

it looked awesome and then the ending scene where she's on the rope and she opens the vacuum of space and it's silent it's silent And no, my favorite is when she's standing, like, vertically. Like, it's, like, they're standing right at next to each other, and it's just the whole sucks them down in silence. And it's this, like, tornado of dust, like, pulling them out.

And then you just see her dangle off the ship in complete silence to this amazing explosion. Oh, my God. It was so good. The sound design in general was really cool. Like, any time they, like, use that, like, it made me think of don't breathe, too. We're just, like, going to completely, like, silent moments. But it creates so much fear. and when you're just in this isolated

like dark ship, like knowing that there's all these aliens around it was really well done. What was your favorite death? Honestly, having never seen it like this before, I think when Bjorn got just acid dripped all over him,

like that was nasty and crazy. And like it was like to me the best kill is the way that I would want to go out the least as and it's definitely that. Yeah. Definitely that. Because like you see it like come across his hand and then it's,

shoulder and then it's just like the pressure that comes from like that so much on your chest like the air is exploding out of your lungs and your chest just pops out fucking nasty and crazy it's so good yeah that's bad Tyler's not great no gets hooked in the chest trying to save his sister and his girl that was I feel like like Kay had the word the pregnant woman had the absolute worst experience oh yeah no wait no sorry no that's actually wakes up from her nap too what am I talking about Of course she doesn't have the context of anything, too. Like, the second she wakes up, she didn't even know there's an alien, you know? Like, she wakes up and then she's just like, holy shit.

She didn't. She didn't even get to see it. Well, no, she kind of did. She saw an alien all right. She saw the alien. She saw that part, but she was like, there was no context for her. She was sleeping. So it's like, nobody warned her.

She gets off that. Then she crashes. Like, then there's the big xenomorph. Like, her whole situation was fucked. She had the worst day. She doesn't get the door opened up. And then her, she gives birth. Alien kills her.

That is, that is it because. Completely fucked. of the people that got it the worst, it's when you're the last person to die. Not when you're the one that survived, but you're the last one. Well, remember, we think she made it to the cryotube. Yeah, we think like, oh, we made it.

And then she didn't. She and, like, it wouldn't be a horror movie. People did dumb stuff. We already talked about her injecting the black goo, the Promethean goo. When they're in the hallway, when they've, like, raised it to 98.9.9.8.6 degrees. Great sequence.

Great sequence, by the way. But she's like, she's calling her brother. And Andy's like, don't sweat, don't have goosebumps. Keep moving. Be silent. Don't do anything. Just walk from point A to point B slowly. That's all I need you to do.

And then his sister calls, she's like, hey, guys, hold on. I got to take this. I got to take this. Didn't put his shit on. Do not disturb. Yeah. Hey, what's up, gang? Hey, oh, you need to do.

Okay, let me talk louder. Let me talk as loud as I possibly can. Like, bro, what are you doing? No. What are you doing? You're lucky you got, you're still alive, right? That should have been it. Unacceptable.

unacceptable. All right. I just love seeing all the face huggers like slowly pivoting too. Which again, they talk about, they show that in some behind the scenes footage about how they like,

again, all practical that they have, those face huggers are just like little like, they're like little spider robots. Let me taste some facehugger, I'm blowing, I'm blowing a whole thing over. I'm airing that bang out,

bro. Yeah. And that face is not getting me though. No, no shot. No shot. It's like, it's like Australian spiders

on crack. You know what I mean? Or just an Australian spider. Basically. That's probably just an Australian. I don't know. And that's the thing about, like, just like, we, it's easy for us because, again, it's not a movie. It's fake.

The characters have to do stuff in order for the plot to progress. But like, in a real life situation, a face hugger, bro, I see something like that, it's over. Get me off the ship. There's no like, hmm, this is very interesting. I would like to see more about this. No, brother, I'm out. Get me off this planet. Get me off this ship.

Let's do. Turn me into a popsicle for like six years. Bro, forget the popsicles, dog. Beach. Forget the cryotubes. Give me back to Jackson. I haven't seen the sun in 500 billion years. And guess what?

I don't need to. Not for that. Who needs a sunset, right? When they got alien spots set on my life. Thank you. Nah, enough is enough. No. It was crazy.

All right, Daniel. Pass fail, Alien Romulus. Definitely pass. Absolutely. Passes in good. Don't pass. Don't pass on it. Don't pass on it.

See it. In IMAX. Go see that movie. Yes. Go get in the cryo, go get in the cryotube and go watch this movie. Absolutely.

It's a lot of fun. It'll, it'll scare you. It'll, it'll make you laugh. I mean, they might make you laugh if the alien at the end

is kind of goofy looking, but, you know, it's a good time. I would have been great if he, if he did the line from Goonies, hey, you guys. He didn't look out of Goonie's face.

Again, he looked. He had a little bit of Goonie's face. He had a big dumb smile one time. He did have the goofy smile, but he looked literally like the engineer from Prometheus. Solid film.

You guys go, I think you guys will like it. I think we, like, honestly, a lot more doing well or going for it in this movie than anything that we would not like. And there are some things that you definitely could not like, but it's absolutely worth your time and absolutely worth to watch because there's a lot of skill on display here. That's definitely. All right.

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And we're back. Evil must be punished. Even in the face of Arm again, it's not compromise on this. Watchman, chapter one. Spoilers for Watchmen? Spoilers for Watchmen, everybody. The comic that came out in 1986.

The comic that can't stop being coming out and being made and being reiterated upon and made again. Watchman Chapter 1, an animated DC Fair from the director, Brandon Vietti. of Young Justice fame, apparently. Yeah. Yeah. The agenda's still...

RIP. Maybe. No, no, it's dead. It's good. It's dead. It's dead. It's dead. We'll eulogize those things in a minute. But this is a bit of a head scratcher for me.

Daniel Chin, what are your overall impressions of the Watchman story as a whole? What did we like about this? and do we think this is necessary? I kind of felt like Charles watching this, like, what are we doing here?

I'm sorry, I gotta say it. I'm sorry, I gotta say it, because, like, I genuinely did not know what, like, that this movie was coming out until we were gonna talk about it for the pod. And then watching it, I still, like, wasn't sure what was happening. Yeah, so this is an animated movie

that's only like a, I would say, a third of the original Watchman story. and give or take a couple of chapters and this is going to be like given out piecemeal as different chapters of the Watchman story and this seems to be pretty much

a one-for-one adaptation of the comic in a CG animated form Jomey I gotta I gotta keep asking what did we like expect from this and are we getting anything new and refreshing here? I'll tell you what you expected Watchman. Know what you got?

Watchman. I don't know what else to say, really. It's not, I mean, the thing about the Watchman 2019 series is that it changes and adapts some of the more, not I don't say overt, but like some of the thought processes. Like the stuff is supposed to learn from Watchman. Yes, I think the morals and themes from the 2019 show are very, very much an iteration upon

the original comic and in some cases the movie but with a text that dense and like there's a reason why that story is why Watchman's original comic is so revolutionary for its time because it has so many incredibly

well executed themes. Yes. Do you think that this capitalized on any of them or do you think that this is kind of just eh? I don't know. But the thing is it's not different enough. Again, like 2019, is not different enough to completely justify its existence.

So while it's a different medium, it's like, I've read this, I've seen this, I know what the beats are, know what the themes are. This is not revolutionary. This doesn't change anything. I'm watching the same thing, albeit, again, and like some what-if archer type animation style, right? That doesn't, I don't, I didn't hate it. It didn't look completely great, but you know what I mean? I don't understand what you?

you're supposed to glean from this, what new information supposed to get from something that you already know. Unless you're watching for the first time, which people really aren't, because it's one of the most popular comic books ever. I tried to think of what I can compare this to because it's both a, like,

it's an adaptation of an amazing comic book arc that everybody, like, seems to know, if not it's very well known, and it's a staple for its time while also seemingly relatively safe in its adaptation to just be almost word for word bar for bar.

And I kept thinking of the animated version of the killing joke, but that again, for worse, honestly, like, it's so safe that it doesn't actually have the opportunity to commit any egregious sin to that original text like the killing joke animated movie did. to where it feels rather unremarkable. Daniel, do you agree? No, I definitely agree. And just going back to Jomi's point, too, just about the TV show

and, like, the different approach that they took. I think it just, it makes sense to try to, like, I think Damon Lindolph at the time was calling it more of, like, a remix than it was, like, you know, remaking it or adapting it. Sure. And just the way that they're, they're really pulling back the concepts it from it,

but, like, really straying away from trying to adapt it because I think going back to, like, Zach Snyder's adaptation too. Like it's when you're trying to just go like you know bar for bar panel for panel like it doesn't really work as well. Like one thing that really stuck out to me was them trying to do the Dr. Manhattan on Mars and how they're kind of narrating the passage of time and like it works really effectively on on this page of a comic book where it's like you can read these things happening at the same time. But it's just like when when actual like narration comes into it and like times actually moving forward and things are happening on screen, it just doesn't

really hit the same way. And it's also just like thinking about that that scene too. Like it's been memes so much at this point. I'm tired of these people. It's just like we've seen this so many times. So it's just like to be repackaged like exactly like them trying to repackage it exactly the same way that it happened without really innovating anything. It's like I don't know. It's kind of rough. I have a question for you guys. And spoilers for all of watchmen right now. We're about to get into the needy of it all. Is Worshack the worst detective of all time? Um, I would say know. I think he's probably the most politically incendiary and

like problematic detective ever. But worst, yeah, he's not that great. He's not great because again, the, again, if you've never seen the, or never heard of Watchman your first time, please close the ears. Aegean Vite, Ozymandius is the bad guy. Sure. And he doesn't, but it's

together until like way down the line. Right. You know what I'm saying? Well, to be fair, he's billed as the smartest man ever, as man he is. And this is supposed to be his grandmaster plan that is like... His grandmaster plan is accusing Dr. Manhattan of giving people cancer. Yeah.

Right? To send him off world. And to unleash a gigantic alien on the... Well, I mean, well, that will... He puts all the people on the island and he's like, we're going to do this thing. And then he kills the comedian. the comedian figured it out.

Right. But Worshack didn't. That's y'all man's though? Okay. Oh, no. I mean, the point of the fact being that, like, Rorschach's by no means a good person. No,

by no means a person that you could, like, rely on to, like, have, like, the right attitude. Because, like, the thing that I've loved about Roershack as a character is the idea that he is so fucking politically morose and, like, cynical

about the entirety of the world that, like, anything that is outside of his, like, realm of thought for how things could work, he doesn't even pay attention to because he thinks he's smarter than everybody. And he thinks that he's better than everybody else in this entire watchman crew. And he's not. And it actually clouds his judgment for the entirety of his life. He's an idiot.

Yeah. That's what you're saying. Yeah. Because, I mean, again, this is not new information, but this whole thing is seeing the world in black and white. That's one of the worst shock thing is, is like, mean something because it's either good or evil. Like, I will not compromise on my beliefs. And so when Ozzy Mendeus achieves real peace by killing three million people in New York,

people are like, hey, wow. My hand's like, hey, you kind of, you kind of did do the thing. That's kind of, all right, man. It's like, the math is math? I mean, that's not what I would have done, but, I mean, it worked. And Herschach's like, no, we got to kill him. He did the bad thing. you got to kill me

if you don't kill him you got to kill me man is like say less and they banana peeled they banana peeled him they say no more buddy turn them into dust

bro like Thanos and so ultimately like I'm watching this I'm watching part one and I'm looking at it like this is Worshack is like there's a lot of like main characters

I guess Manhattan the Silk Specter but we spend a lot of time Warshack, I'm like, I know how to sense for this guy. This is, this sucks. Yeah. And that's my big question, I think, to UDC for, you know, the coming chapters that we have here.

Do we want to see something, like, switch up, like, any sort of, like, remix of a character that you would like to see in the coming chapters? Because it seems like we might just be getting the same old stuff. I don't think it works if you switch it up like that. I think I don't think so either. At least the path they're going on right now, they're not going to remix anything. They're not going to, like, try to. It doesn't seem like they will.

It doesn't seem like they will. Yeah. And it seems like, I don't know. I feel like they're probably just going to do a chapter two, right? I mean, I don't know what their plans are. It seems like to me, at least this is like kind of like a little bit less. You don't want a trilogy? You don't want to pay $20 again?

You know what? You don't want to hear more. You don't want to hear more of the Flack Frater? You don't, yeah. Which actually, like, implemented in the comic is genius. It works. Again, just like Daniel was talking about the Manhattan thing in the comics. Yeah.

It works. Yeah. In the show. I didn't think it worked in the show. I'm like, in the movie, yeah. Hey, get back,

get back to the, get back to the stuff. It took me so long, like when I was reading the comic, it took me so long to, like, actually appreciate what was happening

in the Black Frater storyline in order to get this. But man, in any other format, it really does not help. No. I think, like, just,

exactly, to your point, like, I think there's a lot of things that come off a little bit more subtly in the comic book. And a lot of that really

works so well. And that's like, like, the nuances to the comic book are why, and to Dave Gibbon's art, too. It's like there's a lot of things that work really well. But when it comes in the movie like this, it's just so on the nose and it seems like so forced to me. Like, like putting that

the massive, like, just the narration panel on the screen, it's just like too much. And it's just like it. Yeah. And as much as I hate to reinforce a curmudgeon, I feel like Alan Moore was right. Like, you can't adapt this. He would hate this. Oh, he's been on record of hating almost every adaptation that has ever come out of it. The whole superhero genre at this point. He even hates the TV show that was the good one and I'm like all right, calm down. I mean, he's a hater. There's no way he even watched that shit.

You know, like, listen, a generational hater, Alan Morris, I will agree. I have a question. Have we outgrown Watchman? I, like, I'm just talking like as a comic book. And we can still respect what it was when it came out and honestly like

some of the themes, some of the big thing, like the deconstruction of the superhero genre. And especially those themes in the like mental 80s about like government and you know yeah i kind of big ideas who watches the watchman you know i'm saying yeah but in 2024 when you have like the boys and things of that nature can we still really appreciate watchman for what it is today i i very much agree with you because i feel like this like i would i would genuinely put the that entire watchman comic in like a high

school lit class of like when you put it in catcher in the rye and kill a mockingbird and all those things because like it's for a historical context of like, okay, these were like the revolutionary writers of the time that both changed genre from a social and literary perspective of like turning things on their ear as well as making a slightly radical new story. This was it for the 80s and for what the superhero genre was like the like comics were in the mud in the 80s. Yeah. And Alamore was like more or less sick of like the types of stories that we were getting and he makes

this and it was like revelatory at the time and so much so that it wasn't even like they didn't know what they had until years later. I think that this is something that can be studied, but like I think the fact that we kind of, we almost missed the point by remaking it so many times. And I think the closest that we ever got to getting it right was the 2019 reiteration of it because it's a continuation of those themes in a modern context and sensibility. I totally agree with that. I mean, because I don't know if it's as much as being outgrowing it, but to really like to Steve's point, too,

it was so transformative for what it was at the time. But it is such a classic now that it's just like to recreate it now, like so close to the way it was originally. It doesn't really. It doesn't translate. Because the amount of times that they've tried it, it didn't work. You guys didn't like the X-N-N-Oversion?

Let's not talk about that. What was it? Like eight hours long? You didn't like it? Listen, if he had his way, it would have been, like, it would have still been going. So much, so much.

Watching this, too, it was, like, I was really wondering, like, who this was made for. Like, like, who is, like, the audience they're trying to appeal to? Because it's, like, if it's for, like, the big fans of Watchmen,

who've, like, read this, this book over and over again, who love the live action series. It's just, like, we've already seen all of this. Yeah, and you have so many other ways of consuming this story that I'm, like, I don't think I can recommend

this one at the time. or even near the middle of the list. I mean, it's really for people who don't read comic books, but also watch animated stuff, and you're like, man, I would love to get into Watchman, but I don't have time to read. I only have 80 minutes of time. Do I have the DC movie for you?

So you have $20 on Apple TV right now. You can go watch Watchman, just like the book. Just like the book. It's not going to change nothing. Everything's going to be the same. just go and watch it and you'll get the same thing that you would get by reading, which is kind of silly,

but essentially what it is. So I don't know exactly what's made for, but it's not made for most people. So what can you do? What can we do? There's even like all these little moments too where like, I feel like reading the book for the first time when you see who like Rorschach is

and how it was like the guy that was holding up the end is nigh signed the whole time. It's like you're like, oh shit, that's kind of crazy. Like they really planted them in there early. But at this point, like, you probably already know who that is watching the show. And he's in it all, I mean, watching the movie. And he's, they show him like a lot of times to the point where they're like, why are they showing this guy so many times?

Like, yeah, my God. Because it's just like the world, like behind, like, I feel like the crowds often are just like not really moving or like there's like oddly like not that many people in the backgrounds of stuff like of scenes where I'm just like, okay. So who is this guy on your Charles Holmes stuff right now, bro. You really are your Charles Holmes right now. Like this animation is garbage Gavage Gavage What is this

Man we used to spend real money on animation You know Wally Remember Nutso Real real real Like real insane tangent But I was thinking

Like Wally I'm saying it right now Live action Wally is coming It's on the way Stop It's coming Tell me guys Stop

Telling you You already You're already You're like waiting for it To happen to you Right I'm telling you And it's gonna be

It's gonna be insane too It's going to be insane too because because the first half of movie it's just going to be the animation portion. There's no words. And then you cut until they go back in the space and like, oh, there's the live action.

There's the, oh, the humans. Look, there's this where they are. It's going to be great, guys. Absolutely not. All right. It's happening. I think we did it. We did it.

We did it. It's funny we're singing Dora. Isabel Mersed, who played K in the movie, was the live. action dora. Yeah. I don't think I do that. Great, great movie. I saw it in theaters.

I thought it was pretty fun. Isn't that great? All right. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Thank you to Daniel Chin for joining us. It's been a wonderful time. Don't forget tomorrow, House Farrar is going to give you their fall height meter. And this Wednesday, the Midnight Boys are back

giving you their state of the summer franchises. We are produced by the great. Kerm! and we are going to see you guys next time. Don't forget additional production from Arjuna Ramgo, pal. Jomi, any parting words? We didn't give the people a phrase.

Oh my goodness, we do need to give people a phrase. DC, you're the guest. DC is the guest. What's the secret YouTube phrase? No, no, secret YouTube comment. Secret YouTube comments. Steve or, oh my God. Took a bad father.

Just say all the kids' names at once. DC, what? Should the people type into the YouTube comments as the secret minute edition comment for this for this week. Man, I feel like it's got to be something about Wemby,

Wemby the Alien here. Something with that, I don't know. As a writer, I feel like I got to be better with it. Something about Monstars? No, no,

no, no, no, here it is. I think it's space jam reference. Here it is. Either that of the Lakers lost big man or something. All right,

how about? Lakers need a big man. Lakers need a big man. Lakes need a big man. Lakes need a big man. All right. That's it, everybody. Your secret YouTube comments.

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