The Ringer-Verse - ‘Andor’ Episode 11 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: November 16, 2022

Van, Charles, and Jomi are back to dive into the latest episode of ‘Andor’ (00:00). The guys give their overall reactions before diving into the death of Marva (18:00), the epic space battle (44:00), and much more. Hosts: Charles Holmes, Van Lathan, and Jomi Adeniran Social: Jomi Adeniran Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Productional Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Honestly, you sound amazing. Can't relate to all y'all being sad about social media burning to the ground. I'm like, I don't know, Chuck. I don't know, Charles. I like to stay employed. You know what I'm saying? Like, uh, you know, midnight, boy. Stop me, Joe.

Um, all right. Bye. Programming reminders. Okay. Friday, the House of R will be giving you their deep dive on episode 11 of Andor. Andor itself is a deep dive. I can't believe this show. I believe it's almost over.

It's the only good thing in my... Shut up. Oh, my God. Charles. Wednesday, the Midnight Boys return to give our instant reactions to episode 12 of Andor. That's next week. That is going to be the season finale. You guys, look, we have some

really amazing things coming up for you here in the latter part of the year. We go out six, six, eight weeks to the end of the year. And that's typically a time where the content rants down. But we're going to rant if this is called hashtag the ramp ip, okay? Because we got all kinds of things

where we're going to walk back takes where we're going to talk about things that we should have talked about. Oh, we got to re-rank the midnight meter? We're re-ranking the mid-its. It's called the recalibration. The recalibration. Re-calibration nation. Re-calibration nation. I'm feeling it too.

So all you guys can get on your different social media and they never stick to anything. Guess what? Shit changes. You watch me. Let me tell you guys, before we get to spoiler warning and the midnight manifest, let me tell you guys what happens. You go to the theater.

Your pals, you see one of your favorite movies, right? One of the movies that's going to be one of your favorites. And you sit there and you watch it. And it's all like, oh, my God, it's so great. And I loved it. You leave the theater with your pals. You're at Century City. Everybody's got a bag of popcorn.

You're walking around like Batman's, parents right before the tragedy struck. And you're like, oh, my God, it's great. You're having fun. You didn't even know. Then two months passes. Three months. You're excited.

You get a little pop-up in your Apple TV. Such and such is now available on whatever. You want to see it. You want to watch it. You sit down. Your friends aren't there. You've made your own popcorn. It's not as good as what you get at the movies.

Of course. It's just you, the couch, and the goddamn movie. And you realize, this shit wasn't all that. You know what I mean? It kind of sucked. Yeah, like, this shit, this shit was all right. You know what I mean? And so we can't act like that doesn't happen.

Okay? We just can't act like that's not a thing. We're not going to go crazy with recalibrations, but we got to admit. Honestly, it's more like, to me, when you know when you see something the first week, if you say anything wild, they're going to beat your ass.

But now with a couple months removed, people are a little less angry. You could be like, you were always a bitch. And you're like, nobody's going to beat me the fucking die. All right. That's for later.

That's going to be very controversial. No, no, that's not Andor today. That's for later. And or today. Episode 11 of Andor. Curam, give me my spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about Cassian and Hander. You're listening to a reaction podcast.

The spoilers are coming. Need to know. You have to get into it. I can't do it for you. Jomi can't do it for you. Only one man can. His name is Charles Holmes. He's going to put you in the need to know with the Midnight Manifest.

And this is your Midnight Manifest for the Penn Ultimate episode of Andor, title, Daughter Affairx, directed by Benjamin Karen, written by Tony Gilroy. So we start. Cassian and Melshi struggling to escape from Narcena 5, and they find Narcanians fishing, they try to steal their ship, but are captured. We find out that the Narcanians despise the empire for polluting their sea, and they agree to fly Cassian and Melshi to Niyamos. On Niamos, Cassie goes back to his hotel and finds the stash of predators.

and weapons he had to leave behind when he was arrested. Then, Cassian calls back to Therix where he finds out that Marva has died. Malshian and Cassian agreed to split up, agreeing that the galaxy needs to be told about what happened on Arcana 5. Now, on Ferris, the town is reeling from the death of Marva. Brasso tries to convince B2 Emo to come stay with him, but B2 Emo's grief is making him uncooperative. The Empire and Sinta are sticking out Marvel's place, waiting for Cassian. Miro tells her soldiers stationed on Ferris to allow the 3rd. mineral of Marva for some ulterior motives, while a tortured and mentally broken bix is told

to identify Krieger. And last but certainly not least, Cyril gets an interesting call where he realizes that Cassian might be heading back to pharix because his mother died. Now we go to Luton, where he meets Saw and informs him that his choice whether to save Kregor or sacrifice him to the empire has to come from him. Luton and Saw have a standoff who both come to an understanding that Krieger and his 30 men are sacrificed they're willing to make. Luthin is almost captured on his way back to Corrassant, but manages to invade the empire. Then on Corrassant, Mon Mothel reveals Sevel

that she may have to give her daughter's hand away in an arranged marriage to Davos's son, because the empire is checking the chandrilling books for any rebel activity. That has been your midnight manifest for the penultimate episode of Hendler. All right, I'll stop talking. You guys can start talking. What did we think about episode 11? Honestly, I think episode 11 did a very smart thing where emotionally it was way more striking in terms of like we got the big Luton speech, the big prison break.

And Tony Gilroy writes this episode. So instead of them trying to top last episode, this almost seemed like a palate cleanser emotionally before the season finale. And I just thought it was beautiful. There were so many heartbreaking things in this episode. And what this episode to me was really, really about is this idea of even when you break free, you're always in another prison. Just because you break out of one prison doesn't mean you've won and or still lost Marva. B2 Emo has lost Marva. You have Mon Mothma having to make all of these difficult decisions.

I just thought emotionally it just was like a gut punch. when I saw B2 Memos little like how distraught he was. Can't take it. It was, it's the equivalent of like a dog losing its owner and just like waiting there being like, when is the

love of my life coming back? I could, it was the most dog. It was so fucked up. Like, cannot take it. Can't take it. B2. I might have to buy a B2. I'm going to have to go to

Disney. To the part, I'm serious, so I can hug it. Go to the Joy Factory, build you a B2 emo, bring it to the crib. Just so every once in a while,

I'll know that B2 is getting some love. Jummi, what did you think about this episode? I thought it was a great episode, television. I think what this episode does, and Charles alluded to it, it kind of resets the balance.

You know, last week, you know, we went all crazy, prison break, looked in speech, keynote sacrifice, the whole thing. This episode retools the chessboard, right, sets us up for in episode 12 where it all comes to a head. And I think we are in for it next week.

But we'll talk about that later. Ultimately, this episode does a fantastic job of setting everything up for a fantastic finale. And so I'm, like I said, I'm excited, man. This is great. So to me, Andor is succeeding in a traditional way the television shows succeeded. before they were so IP heavy, which is keeping us guessing about what's going on. I think some shows, especially when they have a lot of IP,

the way that they kind of get their point across, is to choreograph things in a way that's very familiar to us, let us fall into those patterns, almost to the point to where we're so heavy on expecting. that we can't fall into the narrative of the show. Like, who's going to show up right here? Is this person going to show up? Because it's so familiar to us in the way that the show is moving

that we just know that there's going to be this plot point that pops up or going to be this sort of character that seems that they're going to pop up and we're just waiting for that. And if that doesn't happen, then we're either pissed off or if they do it in a different way, maybe we like it. This show exists totally for itself. It's like not really for us.

it's for the story. So the things that happen in it are weighty, they matter. They're serving something. You know what I mean? We're talking about that this show was kind of a recalibration. We finally got a space battle and it was breathtaking.

Oh, yeah. It was breathtaking. It was breathtaking. It was a, and we're going to talk about it, it was a breathtaking space battle in that it was as it showed us, it's totally Andor, it showed us something we had never seen before, okay, in Star Wars, something we've never seen before.

It had all of the stakes. At the same time, it was deliciously muted, almost to a point to where there was no sweeping orchestra soundtrack. There was no quippy, oh, how are you going to get us out of this? one, it was just so and or yet I'm still watching it going, fuck. Yeah.

You know what I mean? I'm like, shit, I even know you could do that. You know? So, I think that maybe some people you know, could have possibly, this episode could have possibly been set up for a huge

letdown after episode 10, but it wasn't at all. I wasn't let down at all. Were you guys let down at all? Not as close. No. I mean, I think I think what a lot of shows also get tripped up on is this idea of everything all always has to be building.

Like it always, the next thing has to always be more exciting than the last. What ends up happening is like, if everything's exciting and everything is a twist and everything is an Easter egg, then nothing matters. Nothing is an Easter egg. Nothing is exciting. And what I think Andor, and that team does so well is they're like, now I'm ready for the finale. This is, I needed everybody in a position where it's like everybody is now having to make the most difficult decision. Andor has to decide, do I go back to Ferrix for this funeral?

Cyril has to decide. Like, am I, is this information enough for me to say, fuck this life that I've been building? I'm going back to a place where they don't want me there to finally get revenge. Like, Mon Mothma has to wonder. She's like, is it worth? Is this rebellion worth? selling my daughter off to be married. That is good TV.

Because I'm just like, they could have just been like, all right, we're doing another Luther speech. We're doing another thing. But instead they're like, no, we want to show you. We want to push the characters into a place where they have to make the most difficult decision. And that's what I love. The show is, the show is so well-paced.

You know, we get episode three. We get episode six. We got episode 10. And all those things work because of all the build-of-all- the lead up to those moments, you know? And so this episode, like, we could have had some crazy thing where, where Cassian and Melchie have to, like, fight these people to escape, da-da, do all these things. But, nah, it was just like they, you know, find a ship.

They get out. And it turns out, uh-oh, Marva is dead, you know, and you're left with that. And what that means for Cassian and what that means for every. single person in this show. Even that scene where they escape and they're talking to the two aliens

and those aliens capture them trying to steal their shit. I mean, you can't do that. It can't. Right. That scene is brilliant in terms of the construct of the Andor world because

it's a point where casting is dead to her right but it's another example of how the empire really destroyed itself the empire really what this show really

sets up so well is that what the rebels are doing is not creating cracks they're exposing them you know the rebels don't have to I mean they have some double agents but they don't have to

infiltrate the empire and destroy it from the inside. They don't have to have one of their guys rise up to be a moth or a general or headed ISB. They don't need that. They just need enough information to be able to exploit the cracks that are already forming in this very weak, unstable, sort of empire, military, paramilitary, political organization. And they fished, they built that prison and fished and fucked up all the fishing. And then people was mad. So they was like, yo, you know what? We used to have a lot of fish

and it was fucking great before. You know, they got the fishing nets and all of that stuff. The empire came and fucked up all our fishing. So if you want to fuck with them, go ahead. Like, everybody's disgruntled and they just need a reason to do what it is that they're doing. And then the show is a lot about people finding their reason. So I thought that scene was great as well. Also, can I, one thing that I thought was genius is that the thing that this episode does very, very subtly, this whole season has been doing, is that usually in a Star Wars show or a movie, you're just like popping around to different planets. And you never really get to see what the empire's rule is doing to that planet. So when they go back to Niyamos, this place that was like Space Miami was popping.

We see all this music. Everybody's chilling. They go back and there's that shot where everybody was hanging out is a ghost town now. And it makes you wonder, were these people arrested? Are these people now in a prison like Narcina? Did the empire essentially like they did with Aldani? When we saw Aldani, they're talking about how much the empire has destroyed the culture there. Same thing with Narcina.

The aliens are saying like, hey, we can't even fish here anymore. So I love how we keep going to pharynx and all of these different places and you're realizing like, oh, once the empire gets to a planet, it's a rat. They're stripping it for everything it's worth. You're either going to go to prison or you're going to be working in the minds for them, which I thought was just such a subtle way to show the destructive nature of this, of this fascist regime. Absolutely. This episode is brought to you by Sweetgreen. The day doesn't ask for permission. Lunch window?

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RIP. If I had one nitpick for the episode, it would be that Marva dies sort of unceremoniously. Marva dies in such an unceremonious way that I'm not sure she's actually dead. She's actually dead. You think Marva's actually dead?

Really? You guys are convinced? Like, I'm not convinced. Okay, I'm not convinced. She's actually. Let's think about it, right? Because I had, I had, like, watching it the first time I was like, I don't know, man, this is kind of too easy, right? It's a little too simple.

But thinking about it some more, the last time we saw her, she was haggard, man. Like, Bix and Bravo's were like, hey, she needs help. And she was like, no, I don't want to leave. Like, I want to be here. I want to be right here, you know. and I don't why would you you know who was she faking that for right like I don't know that could yeah that's the thing yeah I'm not saying that that's I'm not making an official prognacation no we're just thinking yeah we're just thinking thinking through it now you're making me wonder is she alive or not now

I almost was like I don't know like a character that meant so much and obviously she had been kind of sick and yeah you know whatever and like but there's There's all this stuff going on in Ferris, right? Since is there, it seems like somebody is watching. Everybody is on edge. And just with the fact that this funeral is going to be such a big deal with the way that they do their thing and that Marva had become so dedicated to the rebels cause, maybe I started tinfoil hating myself because I was wondering, is she actually dead? is this the way to get that character off the screen so there's not going to be a moment

with Cassine and Marvel ever again? I mean, to be fair, to be fair, if she is dead, I actually think I like that choice. I feel you too. It's such an unsentimental way where you have to think about it, so much of, I think, Star Wars

storytelling, and I like this. It's like, it's melodramatic. When someone dies, when, when the original trilogy, when Annenetreact, his mom dies or when Padme dies, it's always this thing, this big character thing. But in real life, deaths are very often unceremonious. Like, people just die and you have to pick up the pieces. And watching Cassian calling back and hearing that his mom died in the most just brutal

way, it's, that's realistic almost. That is a very realistic way where you can't always plan these things, you don't always get that big goodbye. And I feel like it makes the audience, you feel almost for Caskin more. You're just like, fuck, like, the empire robbed him of his freedom. But the more cruel thing that they robbed him

of is this one last moment with his mother, which, to be fair, they did the last time when he was a kid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this is twice they did that shit. Yeah. Being far away and getting that news is definitely tough.

Sorry. I'm so crazy. I feel for B2, man. I hug both been so tight this morning in the bed while I was watching B2. I can't think of a droid that needs a friend that just need. B2 is my favorite droid. I've never felt he is, man. Like, he's not the best droid.

He's not the best droid. Shout out to Chopper. Shout out to R2. shout out to BB8. Shout out to all of the joys that really really saved, been saving the universe for years now. Respect AR5. A.R. 5.

Shout out to all of you guys that really been saving. No love for C3PO, apparently. I love C3PO, but I don't want to start this right now. Okay? C3PO. I'll say that shit. Be too evil is better than C3PO. Okay.

He's, okay, so here's the thing, though, is he's done nothing, but be sad. So I don't know how you can say that. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, put some respect on B2 Emo's name because he's the glue keeping this family together. I completely agree. Absolutely. Absolutely.

I definitely agree with that. But, you know, C3Pio has been around for some really important things, and he's, you know, he's been a partisan shit. I've never been sad watching C3BO. Never. This is one of the most devastating things I've- Even when he got his ass blown up. Even when they shot him on Bestman, you were just like,

he'll stay, he'll be straight. The Chewy figured something out. You know what I'm saying? But B-2, I'm like, I'm watching him. He's putting his little head down. He's looking around. He always wants to go with somebody. Can I come with you?

Can you stay? I'm like, am I going to fucking cry over the goddamn droid? what the fuck is going on? When he asked Brasso, can you stay tonight? I was like, Brasso, if you don't fucking put your pajamas on and stay with this man, like, oh, my, bro. I mean, fucking hot chocolate and fucking hug be too. Why are we training him this way? I mean, it starts at the beginning, right?

Like, man, I'm, I got tears my eyes. I don't want to be alone. I want, Marville. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my dog. I was, I was in pain. two tattoo. I was in pain,

this is my favorite joy. Vulnerable machines. Like, vulnerable machines. You guys weren't around for Short Circuit, the movie. You guys weren't around for that movie. Remember that movie? No. When was this movie? When was this movie made?

Like 85. Was it Johnny 5, right? Johnny 5. Johnny 5. So Short Circuit is about this. 1986. 1986. So Short Circuit is about about this lovable robot named Johnny Five. And Johnny Five was a robot like all these other robots,

but then something happened to Johnny, and he became self-aware. Now, we know now that that's terrifying. But in the 80s, we weren't there yet. You know, like we, but the 80s, we weren't there yet. Y'all had watched Terminator? Yeah, but that wasn't, those weren't really, those are robots that were made to kill. So, you know, and we didn't really have the sky net backstory

as much as we did in T2 and the rest of these movies. So we weren't there yet. So Johnny Five was the man, and he was doing, he became a citizen, bro. Like, I was, I love Johnny Five so much. Like, Johnny Five got his citizenship because he, he's like, I'm alive. I'm alive.

And he was adorable. And he was cute. And he had hygings and adventures. I haven't felt this. connected to a robot since Johnny 5 of Short Circuit, I want good things for B2. Well, really quickly, I have to ask, before we get off B2 Emo,

does B2 emo open up a can of worms in the Star Wars universe? And what I mean by that is that... I know exactly where you're going with this. Tony Gilroy has made such a loving, sentient robot that feels emotion so deeply. And you have to think about it. Like, think about clone wars. Them droids were getting slaughtered on the separatist side.

Think about how, like, many droids are just like, I'm going to help this Jedi pilot this X-wing. And they just like fucking dies unceremoniously in the Jedi. Like, oh, fuck that droid. Get me a new one. I'm like, if all of them have the sentience of B2 emo, this is just a class of sentient beings being fucking slaughtered and be like, whatever.

Right. That's fucked. Let me tell you something. I've always wondered that. R2 is sassy. He's snappy. He's brave. You know?

C3PO is a delightful British man servant. Chopper is quite literally unhinged. Chopper is unhinged. You know, Chopper is, chopper does mischievous things. Yeah, he's an actual wild card. Like your joint is your actual wild card. And by the way, when these joys get, when these joys get fried, they try to make it sound cute. Oh, whee!

No, they're like dying. Huh? Those are death squools. I know. You're right. I'm just saying now, I'm thinking I'm just like, oh, this is, I've been thinking this for a while that the droids are like the slavery class of Star Wars. Jesus Christ. Everybody's just like, it's kind of fine.

Like, we can just think about them. They don't get paid. No, they don't get paid. Have you ever? Never seen C3PO get paid by like Padmay or Anakin. You're like a fat stack. Never. Some credits.

Just does it for free. Don't some credits. I wonder what C3PO would buy if he had money. What would you buy? I mean, he's already gold plated, you know what I mean? Like, how much more blinked out can you get really, you know? Some old jewelry, like you don't, you don't wear clothes. He doesn't eat.

What do you do is a change? I feel like C3 would be like a sex freak. Oh, boy. Yeah. He's into droid feet. He's into droid feet. He's droid fans. Only droids.

Only droids. He's buying the little, the little blurred out messages, which I don't know anything about. Okay, let's go. No, my goodness. Let's move on. Okay. So, Cyril learns of Marva's death. That's a very important part of this.

He learns of Marva's death. as a bad connection. But that is, to me, I feel like it's going to bring him back to Ferrex. Oh, yeah. Yep. Possibility that Cyril and Cassian come face to face

in the finale. I think it's going to happen. I think we are on a collision course is what I also love about this episode is it's like it's the classic TV thing where Tony has been talking about it in interviews, shout out to watch, where this was always

a plan to bring all of these desperate characters back. You have to think about it. Sintes on the planet. I wouldn't be surprised if Vell is going to come back. Like, we have, we might even get Luton on that planet. So I definitely think Cyril's coming back to be like, nah, I'm bringing my man in. So I am just so excited to see all of these people we've grown to love and hate on Ferris, ready to fucking go. I imagine it would be so funny if Cyril and Andrew in face to feel.

and Cyril's like, you've caused me so much pain. Like, what you've done to me, I will never recover. And Andrew's like, I don't know who you are. I don't even know

this straight Marvel. I never seen you before. Wait, is it going to be the Don't know the thing? I don't even think of you. Yeah, like,

like, bro, I don't even know who you are, for real. I'm trying to get your fucking Madman agenda off. Is Madman good TV? Wait, you haven't seen Madman?

I was, I wasn't outside for Madman. I couldn't want to AMC. It's good. It's good. It's good. It's cinema. What are you talking about? It's cinema.

It's really, really good. It's better than Breaking Bad, Jomey. That's cinema. Okay. Well, why I'm not doing this again? We got to say, we got to stay on track. Okay, let's get on track. No, but to Charles's point, what this episode does

is set the table for everybody to come back to Ferris for one last reckoning. Cyril's going to be there. Deidra's going to be there. there. The conversation Luthin has at the end of the episode where he's like, well, he got to go back. Da-da-da. I need this. He's going to be there.

Vell's on her way, since it's already there. The funeral is going to be basically almost like a killbox for Andor and the fact like half the people there, more than half the people there want to kill him. And maybe just Luton is like,

hey man, I might still need you. Let's get out of here. You know what I'm saying? And like that episode 12 setting that at Marvel's funeral is genius. This is why I think she's actually dead is because, you know, you don't want to lose those emotional stakes. And B, you bring everybody together for one last dance, you know. I can't wait to see how that goes down. Okay. It's, it's, I agree.

I think we're set up for an amazing final. And look, it's a show that's fired so many blasts. boats, I didn't think they had a blast bolt left. I just don't think, you guys, we've had a fucking raid. We've had a prison break. You know, we've, fuck it, let's talk about Luton right now.

All right, let's go in order. Because I don't want to start with Luton fucking over an Imperial Cruiser. I don't want to start with that. How fucking incredible that was. I don't want to start with that. Okay. I want to start with Luthan's scene

with Saw. every time you think Luther can't come with the bullshit anymore he gives you more he's got more in store more to digest that thing with something he leaves the bullshit on the black man's stoop

like here you go and I'm like bro bro what the fuck so Luther is telling Saul about Krieger's sacrifice and at first I was sort of surprised

at Saul's response to this really yeah because saw so extreme you know what I'm saying like saw saw is so extreme that being that he's as extreme as he is I was surprised that there was like a little hesitation um

there was a little hesitation in his in his response to having to sacrifice somebody but then I realized that it really he really wasn't hesitate hesitated what had to be done. He was hesitating because doing this made him question Luton, am I correct? Well, I... Oh, go, Jeremy.

I think for Saw, because Saul was in the... Like, they met a couple episodes ago, and Saul was not in for the plan. Now, Saul was like, I'm game, I'm good. And Saul's whole thing is to disadvantage the empire, like, by any means necessary. He's an extremist in that way, right? So for Luther to come and be like, hey, man. I can't have you, can't have you go mess around with the empire, that puts, that puts a problem in sauce pack.

And he can't really, he doesn't really understand why he can't go out there, go crazy. Especially when Luthan's like, I've got people on the inside, pretty much, he knows he's got people inside everywhere. Who can he trust? You know, and that's like, I mean, that's sauce, you know, not to get into his whole thing, but he's not really one for the BS at all. and Luton is very much a BS or by nature.

And so that's where the conflict, I think, arises between the both of them. He's an extremist, though. An extremist sometimes have to deal with, remember, okay, remember the first episode or the first or second episode? Damn, shout out to our crew on Aldani. It seems like they never even existed now. Oh, man. You know, when Richie is telling our guy who wrote the manifesto,

I can't remember. These are not these characters' names. Nemme. They're out of my mind. I'm sorry. And he's telling him that Saul Guerrera would hang you if you saw you falling asleep, right? So that made me think at first, okay, well, Saul's not going to really care that Krieger has to go. Like, he knows that you got to break some eggs.

But this was different for him. And seeing that, seeing the spy versus the warlord, it was a really, really engaging and engrossing scene. So I think the thing that this scene does so well is that it illustrates that Luton is a step ahead of Saw in the way he's thinking, where last week he says in the speech, I'm condemned to use the tools for my enemy to defeat them. I do agree with you, Van, where Saw has been doing this, but he's yet to acknowledge it politically. The genius thing that this thing does is that Star Wars never really, it's subtext. where in a rebellion, there are more important people.

Losing Luke Skywalker is going to mean, like, Luke Skywalker is worth a thousand rebels. Nobody's going to say that. But that's the truth. One Jedi is worth a thousand rebels. What Luton is trying to get Saw to say out loud, something that he's probably never admitted to himself, is when he says 30 men plus Krieger.

Krieger is the guy. That is going to be the loss. that in that thing, what he's saying is 30 men are nothing to somebody like Krieger. Krieger is the important part. Are you willing to lose Krieger, someone who seems to be on their same level in terms of like leading rebels, all of these things? So I think it's so genius that Lutheran is like, if we want to defeat the empire, we need to be as ruthless as them. And he's trying to get Saw to be like, no, you have to admit it though. You've been doing it. But this is the time you have to say it out fucking loud.

Like, are you ready to do this thing? Are you ready to essentially burn this man at the stake knowing how important he is? Is that worth the sacrifice? Let me tell how dangerous Luther is. He needs to force Saw to make this situation at gunpoint. He lures Saul's man over by insulting him, then disarms him. Come on. Hold on up, I mean, he's trying to jam him up.

He's like, you got man everywhere. Who's your man here? He's like, oh, it's tubes. Yeah. Tell him everything. He's like, hey, hey, hey, he knows, you know Saw don't play those games. Right. He's like, no, I'm playing.

I'm playing. He's his gun. Like, he was like, you think Saul murked him? Do you think Saul was like, even if Tubbs isn't involved, he's just like just the fact that you're sleeping. If I'm tubes, I'm out. Yeah. If I'm tubes, I'm out.

You got to make a call. If I'm too. First of all, if I'm tubes, I'm gone. Saw crazy. He ain't as crazy Like, bro You call it in Uber You literally like

If I'm tubes I'm out, bro I'm like when Luton I'm gonna take Luton out At gunpoint I'm like hey bro Y'all got any openings over there

On the other side of this Because I feel like you owe me Because you just Fuck me up with him Look at this nigga's hair This nigga's hair He's gonna give him Fuck about nothing

All right He's getting He's getting crazier Every day And you just fuck me up So like put me on Like let me meet somebody I want to be

a part of a crew. I know y'all did Aldani. Like, put me on. Do something. But I just, even that whole thing, before we move off the Luton Saw situation, do you feel like, do you feel like Luton further

radicalized saw? Do we feel like maybe the saw that we're seeing here, even though we've, I just talked about the fact that he's known as one of the biggest radicals, that he wasn't, because he comes to the, he comes to the, the realization that this is war at the end of that exchange.

Yeah. Do you think that that scene is part of Saul Guerrera's journey and the partisan's journey to being as extreme as what they are? Yeah, I would say so. I mean, his entire life, you know, we've seen in clone wars, we've seen him rebels. Like, he's gone through a lot. He's lost a lot.

He's had to fight and scrape through the bottom of life, you know, to get to where he is. And so for him, these things are all stepping stones to him becoming, like, the number one, you know, rebel extremists in the galaxy, right? So I think you're spot on there. I think to, like, I mean, give Lutheranism credit. I think this is an extension of last week's speech, you know, in the sense that you can't, like, You can't give up Lonnie. And to do that, you have to give up 30 men plus Krieger. And that's just how it has to be.

I know that, you know, Krieger's your boy or, you know, we're supposed to all be together. But when it's all said and done, we can't lose our ISB contact. We can't lose you too. We have to give up Krieger. And you can see it. And this is like, again, amazing acting. by Scarsguard here he doesn't like

it's not something he wants to do this is not something he's like well gotta give up Krieger game is a game I'll see y'all I'll chop it up with y'all later he's like we are at a crossroads here where if we do this

if we don't if we give up if we don't give up Krieger and we tell him and they don't get their the ISB finds out like oh they didn't come they have to stay alert versus versus where

they go, they get caught up, ISB thinks they're invincible. He even says ISB thinks invincible and we can keep doing what we're doing without detection. You and your men can be safe, I can be safe, we just have to give up 30 men

plus Krieger. And he does not enjoy that at all, but the game is the game. Yeah, right? And it's unfortunate. Can I ask you guys this, though? Is this scene illustrating that Luther is more ruthless than Saw?

Because I agree. Saw is like, At this point. At this point, yeah. But like, Saul is with his men. His men know what he looks like. If you fall asleep like in front of Saw, yeah, he's going to hang you. But at least you know where that bullet's coming from.

If you're working from Luton and you're Cassian, he's just like, yeah, get right. You know what I'm saying? Like, Luther's going to shoot you in the back of the head. At least Sond's going to do it to your face. He's like, you're going to know who did it. You know what I mean? No, it's fair point. I mean, at this point, yeah, he is.

At this point, I can argue that Lutthin is the most ruthless. Star Wars hero we've ever seen. I don't even know it's a hero anymore. Exactly. I can't really say he's a hero. I mean, we look at the rebels as the heroes. Heroic, yeah.

Right. At this point, I think we're learning that everybody's just fighting. I mean, it's one of those things that I mean. I mean, I just be for real. I mean, Star Wars has tried to do, I mean, you know, The Last Jedi and all these things. Like, it's one of those conversations where it's like,

yeah, you know, They're the bad guys, but like, are we the good guys? You know, like, is what we do good? And it's a fair question to ask. I mean, to be fair also, like, what are the rebels really fighting for? Where it's like, if you want to be cynical, at your most cynical read of this, the rebels are looking to basically rebuild a system that was already broken. Like, if you watch Clone Wars, the Republic was not healthy,

there was a, there's a reason the separatists exist. what you would like see separate is something would be like hey yo fuck the republic y'all are bloated y'all are corrupt so it's just like part of me as much as like we're taught that the rebels are heroes because the empire is so fascist you also have to wonder like is what they're building going to be better or is it just going to be something that is like rebuilding another center of corruption i think it's a good question to ask but until we see somebody just get thrown in jail for six years hanging out on the beach

under the Republic we do have to sort of assume we have to assume it's just a thought exercise I don't know you're right yeah yeah no you're no you're absolutely right all right Charles

oh go ahead go ahead John I think what it ultimately comes down to is like the empire is evil and you know are we trying to do the right thing but in order to do the right thing you have to do some bad things and it's coming in terms with that you know, that's ultimately what it's about.

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when they arrive, it tells you something. It tells you something about the story. It tells you something about race. It tells you something about class. And it's the same thing with the space battle. We haven't seen many, if any, space battles truly, pretty much since old Donnie. But when it arrives, the reason it hits so much is it tells you about who Luton is as a character, which Luton is a survivor. Like Luton, now I'm wondering, what has he done? What has he seen? This isn't just a schemer. He's not a Mon Mothma, who, like, Ma'an is not going to get our hands dirty in terms of, like, fighting, fighting.

You know? I'm like, Luton, I'm just like, wait, how did you learn to fly like that? How does, like, who put these weapons in this ship? Like, he was ready to go the entire time. I was scared for Luton, and the trick of the scene is, is

that slowly reveals to you, Luton is one step ahead of them. He never fucking panicked. Like, he never a little bit. Like, he, hey, give me this, give me that. Like, you think that there, like, it's like, at first you feel like the code's going to save him.

The code's coming too slow. The code is buying time so he can get his weapon system up to shoot whatever he shot at the tractor beam. Jesus Christ. Never seen that before. Never seen that before in Star Wars. How can we get something right now that we've never seen before in Star Wars?

Like, we've never seen that before in Star Wars, right? And then got a laser ship. Look, he got a laser ship. Charles, Jomey. That was crazy. He's just a little flip thing. I was like, whoa. Brou.

I'm like, two, I was like, yo, come on. Bro, when the Thai fighters came out. He got an Iron Man suit as a ship, bro. Bro, like, bro, when it's. He does. He has an Iron Man. It's crazy. It's crazy.

When the Thai fighters came out, I'm like, oh, it's about to get sticky. I mean, it's about to get, no. But when's the last time you're afraid of a tie fighter? Like, you see them so much in all the other properties. You're like, all right, it's just a tie fight. Well, you see it in this shit. You're like, man, he's fucked.

Like, you're just like, that's how scary this moment is. Right. And you had an overzealous, an overzealous imperial officer who wasn't going by imperial procedure. Remember? Because the guy goes, he says, hey, this checks out. trade ship from Alderon. It's like, let's board him anyway. We can use the practice.

We could use the practice. Because he's thinking some shit's going on here. Like what's happening? Luton buys his time. And then he just, that's one of the most impressive, albeit brief. And I know people are, oh, my God, you guys are going too far.

No, I was legitimately wowed. We haven't seen very many space battles in this show. That might have been the only one we've ever seen, to be honest with you. and for me that was an exhilarating scene that was as Jomi would put in cinema cinema

I think to your and you mentioned this the reason the scene is so well done the reason the scene works so well is because he Luthen does not panic at all it's all in the playbook get the thing to this

da da all right all right hey reset boom let's get it like it's all he's got it all memorized. It's like, as I watching Prime Messi, man, like, all right, you're not really going to stop this, man, you feel me, he's going to dribble, it's going to dribble, it's going to dribble, he's going to score past year, there's nothing you can do about it. It's, it, the deal is already done. His mind's already made up where he's going. And every single time, he's going to beat you because he's just better than you. Doesn't panic, doesn't fret. Like, it's, it's legitimately like, I mean,

like, honestly, Luther is probably climbing up the rank as one of my favorite Star Wars characters. Oh, really? She's seen in a minute. He's like, it's incredible. What did he have on him, before we move off, Luton? What did he have on him when he showed up at Saarerreras? What was that? Oh, he's a kid. I thought that was just Kane from the first episode.

He has like the little thing where you can press the button and it elongates. I know this isn't this type of show. I know it's not this type of show. But I keep thinking Luton is a Jedi. Like he just moves. Like he's just like. Hey, that's why I asked. there's some talk out there

that may be there's some talk out there that Luther is ill if Luther start moving shit around in the last episode would y'all be mad think about it would you be mad

if Luton if Luton starts if something if shit really is the fan and he has to go to it would you be mad if like now Luton is so cold

he instantly be one of the best Jedi ever like he was a force sensitive would you be mad I would have be mad, but I just have so many questions like, how did they get this guy to pay attention in Jedi school? It doesn't seem like the kind of guy who was like, yeah, man, all this magic stuff. I love it. Maybe he's been desensitized by the empire. Maybe he's been put down by the thing,

how did he survive order 66? I've just got, I would have so many more questions that like would not, like, it wouldn't ruin it for me, but I'd be like, huh, interesting. You know what? Would it make sense. It wouldn't make sense because if he's a Jedi, there's no way that that man would stay quiet while the Jedi were running around acting like some idiots. Like, he would have seen all that shit in the

prequels be like, you dumb motherfuckers. Like, no, there ain't no way he was sitting around like them like that. Also, a Jedi being like 30 men, bless Krieger, kill him, toast them. Yeah, it's kind of not happen. But this is probably not going to happen.

But it was just, it was just funny. It was just funny. Love Luther. Okay. Some other things we can get to here. Momotham is first on this rundown, but I'm going to skip her and come back to her. Okay.

Because Bix is going through it. Oh my God, this man. I will say the... Biggs. Like, this was a funny? I was shocked. Can I ask you all this? Shocked at what they did to my baby.

What they did to my baby, man. No, this is the thing. And I have to ask, y'all, did they get in trouble with? You know how sometimes if you cast an actress that is too beautiful? They try to do that thing where they put makeup on her to make her like look disheveled and ugly. And I'm like, no, this is still a very beautiful actress. Like, I was just like. That shit worked, though. That shit worked, man.

Nah, I was like makeup was amazing for me. I was just like. Nah, that tells me a lot about you, Charles. What? All right. Yeah. Oh my God. That tells me a lot about, a lot about you, bro.

You know what I mean? Well, no, man, don't do that. How many times you've seen Rick Win for a dream and all of that stuff? But... Bro, would you stop? Hey, yo! Would you cut this shit? Come on.

No, no, no, no, no, cut this. Don't cut this. Don't cut this. Like, don't cut it. But, but, but, uh, but no, she looked bad, bro. And it looked, and I'm not talking about just, Not commenting on the actresses. Obviously, she's beautiful.

But they did a fantastic job of, like, illustrating what the specific torture techniques with the toll that they were taking on her. It was very, very hard to watch. What did y'all think? It was tough to share it like that, you know. And I'm interested to see where this leads her next week. Because, man, with everybody coming back,

will Bix have enough mental fortitude to get up there and fight back? You know, it, like, looking at her from this episode, I don't see it, right? And so I would love to see where she goes next week because, man, yeah, she was on one, brother. It looked bad. It's tough for our girl. The one thing that I was wondering during the scene is that, A, the actress that plays Bix did an amazing job in terms of, like, she's not saying much. it is all the fear of this torture, the, just everything that you see in her eyes

and the way, like, her faces contorting was just amazing acting. But it started making me think of, like, not only if Cassing comes back, does he have to deal with the death of Marva, he has to deal with the fact that, like, this childhood love of his, probably his best friend in the world.

Like, part of this is on Casson. Part of this and, like, how reckless he was in the beginning. Like it's one thing to lose your mother. It's another to say, hey, you lost your mother and also your best friend in the world will never be the same. And that's partially like, I'm not saying like, of course, the empire did this. Cassing was running around recklessly. A lot, like, in terms of like, even if you think about when Marvin in that episode was like,

I don't really want to see you anymore, go live your life, I love you, was this what she was talking about? the fact that Cassian has a hard time understanding what his actions do to the people around him. Man. No, I see it. I see the vision. I mean, yeah. This is when we talked about episode three, right?

Like, you know, what happened in Farrex was this fall in then when he went back. Yeah, when he went back, you know, it was the same thing. Like, dude, your actions have messed this whole place up. They got imperial places everywhere, da-da-da-da. And I think that going back this final time, this third time to pharix and seeing what is left of it you know no marva imperial officers everywhere you know bix messed up you know brazos getting watched it's finally going to be like oh man

like was any of this worth it was like was any of this worth the trouble i caused and that's something that cassis got to deal with you know when you see what's happening to alida of Mon Motho's daughter, how she is becoming part of this chandelion rise again of what seems like nationalism and what seems like these very, very classic values.

They say something. Her daughters are citing something to the rest of the kids. Some sort of chant. A chant, yielding in acceptance, safe in the braid of the old ways, true and steady and braided in trust.

The old ways hold us. safe in the knot in the binding, the old ways teach us, bound against the wind, tied to shore, tethered in permanence. And to me, you can miss that moment, but thematically, it means so much to this episode into this series, because you do see how this is something that happens in the real world when fascism rises or when people aren't able to pay for what they need or are scared or the future is uncertain. A lot of times children especially will go back and you usually think that children are the most liberal of us

where they can see and envision a future that we can't. But we're seeing the opposite here with her child where Mon Mothema is fighting so desperately for her daughter to not have to live the life, the traditions that have destroyed her. And it's so interesting seeing this daughter basically saying like No, there are young people right now who are fighting to go back to maybe some of these oppressive ways. There are these people that maybe don't see that big of an issue with the empire.

I thought that that was such an important scene. Ma Mothma is fucking being tortured by this. The acting in the scene is sublime. This is torturous for her. Torturous. And even in the conversation that she's having with Vell is like it's, she's making sense of it, but it is breaking her to see that there's been no progress, that she is sacrificing progress for freedom.

She's having to make, and just a ridiculous choice to sacrifice the progress that has been made in her life. the progress that she wants to see in her daughter's life for everybody's freedom. And it's just so well done, man. I, I'm scared to know, like, just how Mon Mothema's deep. Like, she's deep in it. You know, she talks to Vell. She's like, hey, this is going wrong. There's the balance of 400,000 credits is missing.

And my daughter is, you know, going back, you know, to this different time that even us as adults were, like, not really messing with. I am lost. I'm scared to think. Like, it's my mouth. She built for this. Ultimately, we know that she comes through and she's clutched, like, you know, she's there in Rogue One. She's there in A New Hope. But in this moment, right now, does she say?

stand strong or does she break? I'm interested to see what happens next because Is she even going to get the chance? Because once her daughter started doing them chance, started talking about the old ways, I'm like, man, she's selling your ass down the river. It's tough. And I'm scared because I know who she becomes.

Like, it's not a secret, you know, but God, like right now in this moment, we're looking at her like, yo, you got to pull yourself together, man. You know? Like get, my mom, that's not the mom from my, I know. My mom from her, I know, man. She, she was like, yeah, we got these plans, you know, from a great group of people that sacrificed their lives.

It's the death start plans. Let's get it. You know what I mean? That's the momofa. I know. This is my momofma going through it. Again, it's early in her journey. You know, she's just beginning like, like everybody.

And so I'm just, I'm just, she like, is this a moment where she fails? or she like pulls up her bootstraps and makes it happen. I'm excited to see what happens next. We can't forget, Mom Motha seems to be a little afraid of Luther because Vell's like, how much of this does Luton know? And I was just like, oh, man, Mom Moth was like, we ain't telling him shit.

Well, Charles, would you not be afraid of Lufth? Man, Luton too much. Luton is almost like, Luton has a Darth Vader aura. Yes. Well, interesting. Luther has a Darth Vader or as in,

man, you don't know how this is going to go. You know what the worst thing that Darth Vader can do for you? The worst thing that Darth Vader can do for you is promote you. Yeah. That's the worst thing he can do.

The worst thing he can do is actually notice you. You're better off, not ever being noticed by him. This is walk around, whatever. But the moment that he's going to, hey, you're the one that I put my faith in. You better fucking deliver

because if not, choky choky, okily dokey. Okay? What? And with Luthin, it seems to be the same way. You, the worst thing for you is to actually be on his radar because it's a dangerous,

dangerous, dangerous, dangerous place to be. You know what I mean? Yeah. He told us all of these things about how Cassian was, making us think that Cassian was going to be his prodigy. And then three episodes later, four episodes later, he gives a kill order on him. Oh, wish, don't forget, Vell, when she goes to Luthus spot, he's not there.

Homegirl is like, you got to chill. And then she's just like, A, since it told me that Cassie's mom has died, it's about to pop off. And then Vell looks at Homegirl. She's like, yo, you need to let him know. I gave this to you. I know, Donnie. This is my information. What you made, that whole seat is I'm like, oh.

They're all afraid of Lutheran. They're all like, no, I need the credit for this. What's the deal with them? What's the deal with them? They always beefing. They're, yeah, they're, yeah, they're, yeah. Vell's not easy to get along with it. I think that might have been together.

And, like, she's just like, I'm so toxic. I can't stand the fact that. She's like, every time they get together, Val got some, Clay is like, hey, man, it's not how it go down. We don't do that no more. And Vell's like, listen, man, I operate the way I operate. And Claire's like, nah, you're sloppy, you're dirty. They'll say, I did all, Donnie.

What have you done? I was like, I'm here. Are we supposed to go to the same team? What's going on? Let's go. By the way, just so that you know, speaking to Senta, you know, Bix, they took away Bix. Oh, my God. Senta.

Jesus Christ, man. Senta has gone. Bix was looking a little requiem for a dream. Senta was looking like a dream. Oh. Senta. Senta was focused. I mean, like, wait.

Senta was so, oh, Senta. A question. We don't know the guy who's also watching the house, right? We don't. I thought he's from the ice speed. He's, no, he's definitely from the ISB, but we don't know him.

We don't know who he is, right? And so, I mean, just, well, is, do we see, do we miss it? Like, I don't, I don't, I don't think it's ever said. Okay. I don't think it's other said, but here's my question, right?

Why would the eye, like, why I guess why would the ISV need to secretly, I guess, why would they need to secretly watch his place when they have control over that area, right? They could just, you know. Because they're watching to see if Cassian comes back. They got to stay condescending. I think they're not only watching for if Cassing comes. I actually think what they're watching for is,

is there going to be any rebel activity because Marva was a daughter of Farix? It seems like she had some really deep roots and she was important. They've been telling them, no, no, no, you can't have this funeral. So I was also assuming that they're watching this not only to see if Cassian's coming, but to see if there's anything like fermenting rebellion-wise. Like people are going to start a riot. People are going to fucking like that's what I think they're actually really afraid of. I mean, they don't know. And also like Axis.

That's the main thing is to find out who Axis is. So, you know, if you're a big, you never have enough spies if you're a big situation like that, you know. That's true. That's true. You guys, this, you know, we end with a goodbye here. Oh, man. We made it. And there's a line in there that really hit home with me.

At Mel, she tells Andor, what if we're the only two? Can you think that that might be possible? When you look at what it took, escaping was one thing. But when you look, when you look at what it took, when you look at what it took, for them to get to safety. First of all, Andor went back. He went back to Space Miami.

Listen, Andor got some balls, bro. He needed the money. I know he needed the money. But shit. Like, when he said that, I was like, God damn, no, don't go back there. Like, that's what got you fucked up the last time. And he goes back there, walks right in,

gets the money, sleeping alien, didn't even know he was sitting on that goddamn cheddar cheese. So with everything they went through, knowing that they have to split up because the story has to be told, what are the chances that they're the only two that made it? I mean, there's a lot of people escaped, right? So the numbers would suggest that, like, maybe more. I'll be interested to see, like, you know, what they're up to, right? They got lucky they found a ship. I don't know how many other people found ships out there.

Yeah. So they might just be on Narcina Favre, just. just chilling, you know, just waiting. They might not have gotten off planet like Cassian and Nelshi. So it might be a little difficult to see. My question is, do you think all the prison guards are Narcena 5 or fuck too? You think the empire is just like, you know what? Everybody, prisoners, prison guards, we kill it everybody in this piece.

No, I think you're absolutely correct. I think you got to think about, okay, imagine this. Let's do a thought exercise. You're a prison guard over there. You're a guard over there. Exercising with the thoughts. The prisoners, oh, Jesus. The prisoners of all escapes, right?

You know what the empire is capable of. You just saw what they was doing all those people out there, right? What do you think you should do? You think you should wait for the empire to get here and check it out? What do you think, hey, man? How, can I swim? Can you swim? I'm out.

I'm jumping. I'm gone. I'm gone. Goodbye. See you later. Adios. Like, there's no way I'm letting the empire

get to me like that. No chat. No shot. I'm a prisoner too. What's up? Me and you. We and his boat together, fam. Let's go.

Um, so, uh, he's gone. Melchie leaves Andor. We probably won't see him again for season one. No. Um,

but I think, it does, I feel like the character's coming back because something's been sparked inside of him to let people know just how terrible the empire is. And I think that's a backstory for a character that we're probably going to see a lot more. in season two.

Do you think that like, I mean, I agree with you, Van, 100%. Do you think he comes back and he's like, dog,

these rebels, man, like I'm tapped in. I got my own squad right here, bro. You know? Like, do you think we see him in that kind of,

in that kind of, uh, vein next season? Perhaps. Perhaps we see him to where he's, he's found his, um, he's found his tribe.

And in finding his tribe, him and Cassian, he becomes somebody that Cassian knows he can trust. Because at this point, with everything that he's been through, we still haven't seen what's going to make Cassian devote the rest of his life to this. You know what I mean? Marva died.

So the empire didn't kill Marva. If Marva's truly dead, the empire didn't kill her. You know, it's still something that I'm trying to figure out what's going to be the thing that makes Cassian stop running and start fighting. You know what I mean?

One look at Bix. I think he might be radicalized to a point where he's like, y'all need to stop. No, he's talking about the fact that Bix got fucked up. Oh, yeah. See? I can't trust it.

I can't trust it. You don't see your friend like that, but she's not saying his shit. You're absolutely right. So he had voices of like alien children dying all the time. I'd be like, no, we got to. You're absolutely right.

And then the homie, go ahead. They hung the homie too. Right? I'm with the pops, yeah. The kid, yeah. Wow, wow, is all I have to say. Every, let me tell you what happens every Wednesday morning. Every Wednesday morning, I am treated to some of the best television, period.

This is the best show of the IP streaming. era. It's the best show, be honest with you. It's better than anything that Star Wars has put out. It's better than anything that Marvel has put out

on the end. Very true. Not hard. That's better. Well, Loki. You know what I mean? Not that hard. Yeah, it's better than anything that Marvel has put out. I'm trying to think, I love the boys. The boys has a special place.

in my heart, though. I'm not going to lie, bro. You've seen three seasons of the boys. You know, like... Three seasons of the boys. This is just, I can't think of anything... Better than Game of Thrones? Game of Thrones, I don't count as streaming. I count as Game of Thrones. I count as before. And plus,

Game of Thrones has too much content. Like, if we just, if we're, if... I don't count that as being... But that's like, I was at fucking TMZ when that shit came out. So that's a long time. It's a long time ago. I'm talking about of this, the Disney. plus HBO Max era. I feel you.

You know? Better than Peacemaker. Why y'all try to act like Peacemaker wasn't good, man? But I mean, like, but you're acting, you know, man, you know who's better? You know who's not better than Steph Curry, is Smith? Like, yeah, well, we know that. You know what I'm saying? Like, come on.

Are you trying to say that Peacemaker is the Isschmith of television shows? No. Don't get Joe Me in trouble. He's trying to get young justice up. I would say the peacemaker. It's not Ish Smith. Yeah. That was rude.

I'm sorry. Peacemaker is the Carl Anthony Towns of television shows. Respect, respect Peacemaker. I've seen Peacemaker deliver in the clutch. Carl Anthony Towns is good. Okay, then who is Peacemaker?

Let's give everybody basketball players before we go. Like, Andor is the Yonis. Yeah. Oh, the Yokets. The Yokits. You got to win the championship. Two back-to-back MVP's.

I thought with Yonis. you coming from. I didn't come from. Yoker's got a Joker. Joker got to get it done. I love a fuck with Joker though. Lord of the Rings is Kyle Anderson because it's slow-mo because everything's happening real boring.

We got around this shit. Kyle Anderson is good though, bro. I love Kyle Anderson. I love Kyle Anderson. Connerce is good though. But when he shoot at three, it's like the sloths of Zootopia. You're like, all right, man. We know.

Two more things before you go. Two more things before we go. Cassini needs to stay away from beaches. the last time he was at the beach he got caught up he found out his mom died and then in Rogue 1

that's where it all comes down so you know he's got to stay away he keeps he keeps going back to the beach can't do it two and kind of

we didn't believe we didn't talk about this why was Cyril going into his mom cabness like that man oh he's rifling through that's a white boy shit he was taking that money

let me tell you he's like let me take a little bit at a at an old lady's purse she earned she earned that though. She was wild.

She was kind of wild. She earned that, though, man. Like, even, even, that's like one of the most depressing. Whenever you cut back to this, I'm like, oh, man, this nigga again. Wait, I have to ask. It's, like, so depressing. You get him up, he's sleeping in a little compartment. You know, I'm like, God damn, that's not a good bed.

Who would you rather have as a mother, Tony's, Tony's mom from the Sopranos or Cyril's mom from Vador? Oh, geez. Well, Tony's mom tried to have him killed. Spoiler alert. Jesus Christ. Spoil alert. There's bad motherhood and then there's your mother trying to pull a move on you.

Okay? So I'm going to have to go with, you know, all-time bad mothers. We can do a bad mother's list at the end because there's some all-time bad mothers here, but Tony's mom has to be up there. Tony's mom has to be up there. She tried to have him killed. She has to be whacked. Can't. That's tough.

That's tough. But I have to be real. Like, you are right? Yo, Serial's mom just be like, she'd be waking up gleeful in the morning and be like, here's some breakfast with a side of I'm about to shit on your ass. Like, it's every single breakfast.

Like, if I'm, if I'm him, I'm like, hey, yo, mom, I'm getting Starbucks today. Yeah. Don't, don't come in here, mom. Like, you know how back in the day, you know, the white kids used to put messages on their, their doors? Yeah.

Like, no parents allow. Every time, I'm going to do a whole podcast about, because we talked about this before. about lessons that I learned from my white home boys. You know, you look at like, no parents allowed, don't come in here. I'm like, do you understand what would happen to me if I set a directive in my household? In my household, if I said that there was anything that my parents could do, if I came home and my dad was wearing my clothes, I better not say shit.

I'm serious, I better not say anything. Like, I better not say shit. Hey, dad, that looks nice on you. Like, you know what I'm saying? But if I say, why are you wearing my shit? What you mean yo shit, nigger? How much did you pay for? Oh, my kid.

All right, that's enough. I love you, Dad. Okay, okay, okay. All right. That's it. That is a wrap for us. What a fantastic episode of Andor. Friday, the House of R will be giving you

their deep dive on episode 11 of Andor, and it's going to be fantastic. Okay? We didn't even talk about what's going on back at the ISBs because we didn't really get very much about what's going on at the ISB. But the ISB is getting ready to make a big move at Marva's funeral on Fairx. So that's a huge deal. We didn't get to that.

But, you know, got to let some things speak. Wednesday, the Midnight Boy is going to be returning to give our instant reactions to episode 12 of Andor, and it is going to be fantastic. I'm trying not to get my expectations too high. Get them high. I'll tell you guys, like, get them high. Oh, wow.

No. That's not, don't. That song, we can't seen that song. Tough. We can sing the song. It's fine. I don't know what to say. I just know that I want to move on to something else. All right.

Now, look, I tell you right now, if the season finale of Andor delivers, it's a 12th. Wow. I'll tell you right now. You're shooting a shot. If the season finale of Andor delivers, it's a 12th. I don't give a fuck that you guys aren't watching it like you should be.

I'm talking about quality, quality, quality. If the season finale of Andor delivers, it's a 12 out of 12. So Andor would be a game changer, but the first Black Panther won't be. Interesting. Something that I should think about. This is my deal. When I say game changer, I'm not talking about podcast. popularity.

I'm talking about narrative impact. And you cannot tell me, in my opinion, that this has not changed the way Star Wars stuff can be written, the way Star Wars stuff can be. This is a completely new different things. This is the definition of a game changer. I don't want to litigate it right now, Charles. No, we don't have to litigate it. What I'm interested in is. Whoa, I say shit.

Go ahead, Joe me. Yeah, Charles. What do you mean? I'm innocent. I'm just a man here before you. Panther, we almost destroyed our friendships. I'm not talking about that shit ever again. What is interesting, though,

funny thing about, I think this puts, van, this is just between me and you right here. Charles not listening. This puts a pack in Charles. When Andor is this good, and he's got to come back and got to watch season 12 of, you know, untitled Marvel television show.

And he's going to be man. He's going to be like, you see Ander? He's going to go right, dude. And we got to watch this. Moon Night season two coming at you. Yeah. Okay. Whatever.

We should have been ready. We're being little shits now. Because Andor is so good. We're being little shits. Credits. Our producer is Jonathan. Yes. Bay.

Yeah. I'm going to need a new nickname next time I'm on here, yo. I'm not rocking with it. I'm not rocking with it. First of all, first of all, first of all, first of us. You don't get to choose. You don't get to choose. That's not how that operates.

What are you doing? You don't get a say in these matters. I tried it. I just wanted to try it. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're still, I just want to let you know something. You're still on far from home. You haven't made it to no way home yet.

All right, in no way home, you'll be able to change it. You're still far from home. All right. You start off. You know what I mean? It was like homecoming. And I was a little spidey.

Now, there's actually been some developments in your personal life that actually make this into. Oh my God, here we go. Far from home. You got yourself you're out here doing your thing. You're Spitey's in love. Trying to figure out how to balance

work and love. It's happening to you. I shouldn't even say anything. Eventually, you'll be in no way home and then, you know, you'll get a new suit. You're like, you're a little spiky. right now.

This niggas like he doesn't want to be a little spider. He's like 21 years old. 24. We're not doing this. We're not on the hook. Keep subtracting years. Okay. Jomey, a dinner on all socials.

Hashtag, this is a good one. Joe, Mr. Still your girl. I like that. Curry, man. Just lay on what I'm saying. Don't keep them away, you know. That's pretty good. That's pretty good.

Additional production from Arjuna Ram Gapal, Charles, take us out. Cyril's mom is the worst. The last episode of Andor is about to be prima. Shout out to my little sad guy. B2. Oh my God. Oh, my God. We'll see how this time.

It's short circuit, I'm about to piss van off right now. It's short circuit the movie where they had that one dude, that one dude, that one the white dude, play the Indian dude. That's all I'm saying. Here's the thing. Brown watching a film, man. Here's the thing. Don't bring up stuff

that we weren't on during that time. It was wrong. There was a movie called Soul Man with C. Thomas Howe where the entire premise of the movie is Blackface. Like, that's what the movie's about.

And we used to watch that bitch. I don't tell me you. I can't tell you I hate it. All right. I'm just giving it. It's wrong. Brough, it's wrong, bro. But we used to watch Soul Man

as a fucking family. Bro, when I tell you, as a family, we would watch the movie? I'm talking about all the latents. Nobody said shit, by the way. It's like we woke up one day. By the way, we should have said something. It's like we woke up one day and was like,

yeah, that shit wasn't. What? That shit wasn't, right? See Thomas Howell, once again to Harvard. He can't get into Harvard. He can't afford it. His dad won't pay.

He goes in blackface. The whole movie is fucked, bro. This movie was released in 1986, so I'm just wondering how much blackface did you see in 1986 where you're just like, oh, you know. Yeah, it's a different time, bro. Clearly.

It's a different time. And by the way, it was all wrong. Like, I'll look back. I haven't watched Short Circuit in a long time because of it. Like, God damn, for real. That's what we was on? Feels like every product claims real protein these days.

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