The Ringer-Verse - 'Andor' Episode 4 Instant Reactions, 'Deadpool 3' and 'Blade' News | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: September 29, 2022

Time to join the rebellion for real and join the Midnight Boys for their latest reactions to the fourth episode of 'Andor' (04:59). They talk about the strife and bureaucracy in the empire, along with what the fight for the galaxy looks like from all sides (41:58). Later, they take a look at the recent bombshell 'Deadpool 3' news, as well as the departure of the 'Blade' director (68:47). Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Addition Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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On today's show for the Midnight Boys, though, we're going to give our reactions and thoughts to the fourth episode of Andor. Later, we're going to give our thoughts on Deadpool 3, Wolvey and me. Wow. I am so excited. I'm jammed up. And we're going to talk about some news regarding Blade.

Now, I want to tell you guys something right here. This is something that Charles wanted to talk about, and Steve jumped right in and tried to cut it off. I don't know what Blade agenda. I just wanted to get the angle. I wanted to get the angle. I don't know what Blade agenda Steve has. I think Steve is in the pocket of Big Marvel.

Because we're like, yo, let's talk about the Blade news. The director of Blade is leaving. It seems like there's some animus. Wouldn't you say Jomey and Charles? I was like, it's worth it. There's a little static. I'm hearing some rumors. There's some static.

And we were like, we're going to talk about that. And Steve jumped right in. Like, Steve, are you a familiar for Marvel? You're like, isn't it? Honestly, I'm going to, you want to know what happened, Van? Jomi's price went up. And Michael Mouse was like, all right, Jomey, we got to chill. We're going to go to Steve right now because we can buy him off for half price.

Buy a Steve off. If Steve. I am cheap. This is like, if he pulls his lip down, it's a tattoo of Disney inside of his lips. He's a Disney familiar. That's how I get into the secret barrier. That's how you get into the secret barrier. All right, we got to go.

We got to make sure we do this. Okay, we got to roll the spoiler warning for Andor because this is a reaction podcast, but we still need to let you know that we care about your delicate feelings. We're getting ready to talk about Cassianander. You're listening? to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. To begin our reactions, as always,

Charles is going to give us the Midnight Manifest, giving us the entire need to know about the latest episode of Andor. Charles, take it away. All right, this is the Midnight Manifest for Andor episode 8, titled Aldani, directed by Susanna White, written by Dan Gilroy.

We begin with Cassian. He's a board luthan ship, where he tends to his wounds and goes back and forth with the rebel leader. Luttham convinces Cassian to be part of a heist, meant to steal the quarterly payroll for entire imperial sector and loans Cassian and Kyber Crystal that he says is worth $50,000 as a down payment on his eventual pay of $200,000. Cassian, now going as Clem, to hide his identity, eventually meets the leader of the rebel sale on Aldani, but her team is unhappy that a new member is being added to the heist on

such short notice. Cassian spends the next day and night being fed, healing his wounds, and learning everything he needs to know about sneaking into the Imperial Garrison. Meanwhile, on Corrassant, Luton transforms into an art and artifact scaler who meets with Mon Mothma as part of a small circle that's hell-bent on taking down the Empire. Simultaneously, we're introduced to the Imperial Security Bureau, which is the Empire's version of a CIA-FBI-type organization. Major Partagaz is the highest-ranking officer of the ISA. B that we get to see, and he's doing his best to manage a galaxy of the empire is trying to keep in line.

Lieutenant Diderre Miro wants jurisdiction over the Farrix job because the StarPath Unit casting Stoll was from her sector, and she also is recognizing a pattern of rebellion that her superiors won't acknowledge. And then Lieutenant Blevant, who is charge of the Farrix job, is currently disbanding Premor, reprimand Cyril, his boss, and everyone that was involved in the incident, and is trying to block Didra from taking over his place. Post and gaining more power. And that is our

Midnight Manifest for episode four. Okay, it's the reaction to the episode. Midnight boys, go. Loved it. Gilroy. On fire. I think we, it had been teased and we had known that they're breaking up this entire season

into three episode chunks that tell one story and then they move on. And I was just fascinated. I was fascinated at the talk that Luton has with Cassian. We finally kind of get to see a different side of the empire that we haven't seen in live action before, which is the CIA FBI type of organization, which I love,

because if they're fighting wars, there haven't been that many Star Wars live action properties that have been like, well, war is fought on multiple fronts. It's not just the stormtroopers. It's not just Vader. You have all of these other organizations, whether it's Primo, whether it's the, let me get the name right, whether it's the Imperial Security Bureau

that are fighting the war. wars in different ways. And that's what I love about and or it's showing us so many different angles on Star Wars that we haven't seen. Yeah, I think to have a show that can deepen the lore of a show that has such a deep lore already, you know, that's why I love the in and outs of Star Wars. That's why I love knowing which planets, the Empire mines for minerals, like which planets are legacy planets and systems, the Empire's economic structure, how much

it costs to build a star destroyer, what the star destroyers are made out of, you know what I mean? I like knowing stuff like that because it deepens the lore. Normally that deepening doesn't happen on the screen, though. That happens in comic books. That happens in books. It doesn't, it never really happens on what we see episodically on television. It doesn't really happen. I'm talking about the fine points of this. We normally have to supplement our knowledge to get that. And Andor is doing a good job

of deepening the lore and getting us into the minutia, which we like about Star Wars, while we're watching it on TV. Am I wrong, Jomey? No, you're not wrong. I thought this was the top shelf episode of television. Really enjoyed going behind the scenes at the ISB learning about like what was

they were trying to get done. and pharix and whatnot, seeing old boy have to go home and run to his mom was special. Really made me, you know, made me happy inside. But seeing...

Watching his mom slap it? What's what the hell type of mommy dearest shit going on? What are you in to Joe? Watching him Charlie Brown walk, you know, with his head down to his mom's house after the debacle in episode three, which is great validation for me.

I'm a hater and I hate him. So to see him. I don't that you hate them, but like, but it just gave me some joy. The situation is like weird, you know? Not to slide. All right. Moving on, but also.

Like Oliver Twist? You like, situations? Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Situations like that. It's tough. I think one of the,

at least for me, like, you know, the episode was great, all that. But one of the funniest things for me was, I could not recognize who skin was. It took me forever. Like, I'm like,

I know this dude. I'd just seen this dude. Where is he from? Took me two seconds to Google. that's the homie from the bear man cousin wait a minute cousin you didn't recognize

you're no bear fan you're no bear fan Joni Joe me you're no bear fan listen listen you're no bear fan corner no shit

no chef no chef I watched I watched five episodes chef no chef of cyberpunk this is you know what I mean

Joe I was up at midnight it was you know what I'm saying my brain wasn't really where it was going acceptable.

The minute I saw him, I'm like, oh, cousin. I was like, I just said this dude. Where's he from? Hey, you didn't say corner. Didn't say corner. You didn't say corner. I was like, oh. You didn't say corner.

Replicants. You fucking four-chan. Snyder cut motherfuckers. And here he is. I was like, oh. Here he is. Yeah. He's one of us.

Can I just say really quick? When I saw him on screen, and I was happy for him, my man's eaten. You deserve the role. But then I was just like, damn, I really want to see like a restaurant TV show about Star Wars. I'll be good.

It'd be pretty tight. Yeah. Steve, your instant reaction to this episode. Loved it. Possibly more excited for this arc than the arc that we've gotten previously. Knowing that we're going to have like a sort of like three episode arc with these types of characters and the plot lines going along with this. These are absolutely delicious three-pronged stories

that I'm really excited to see. The look inside of the Imperial Security Bureau is probably like the most I have ever, like, gorged on scenes in Star Wars in a very long time because I love the idea of like that interpersonal, like imperial bureaucracy. And like, it's the shit that we read about in the books, you know what I'm talking about when we read that Thrawn stuff.

All of these things are exactly what we like to see. Yep. So there was one standout moment for me in this episode, which I loved, of course, and it was Luton putting on his disguise. I'll tell you why. To me, like watching Luton morph into the other version of Luton that he has to be in order to further the rebellion and get them the resources that they need, this is the type of, I was in a screenwriting class one time, right?

and the professor said he gave us two examples of scenes, right? And one was where this guy wakes up and it describes in depth, like how bad his anxiety is and how scared he is the world. Oh, he shakily turns off his alarm clock. He moves and blah, blah, blah. And then another scene was a guy just waking up and putting on jackets before he left the house. there was no there was like he was just putting on jackets he put on a he put on a shirt then he put on a heavier shirt then he put on a heavier shirt then he put on a jacket then he put on another jacket then he put on a will and like you're reading the scene and then when you go out you see that it's june like the sunshine and so you know that there's something off about the character and you don't have to have it explain to you through long exposition watching luthin like go through putting on,

go through the trouble of putting on his disguise and getting into character, didn't to me, didn't just like expose or tell me something about his character. It told me something about the state of the rebellion at this time. How clandestine they have to be, how you have to live a complete double life at this point,

how there's really not an identity to the rebellion yet. Right now, we are at the bottom level of spot. shit. And this is how it has to go in order for it to get off his feet. I thought it was a perfect description of where this fight against the Empire is right now. And I had never seen that in Star Wars

before. Ever. I mean, not, once again, on the screen. I had never seen that in Star Wars before. It was an amazing moment to me when I watched it on the show. I mean, I think that whole entire scene with Luton and Cassian in the ship is my favorite.

because this is purely a heist movie. Like, it seems like what they're doing with these arcs are, like, picking a genre. And when Cassian or Luton are going back and forth, Cassian says, I wonder who you were. Luton goes, who am I? Cassing goes, Alliance, Sapp, Guerrilla, partisan front, one of them.

And Luton is like, isn't it all the same? And Cassie's like, it is to me. And you realize to your point about the rebellion not having an identity yet, to someone like Cassian, all of these people are the same to him, whether it's Saugare, whether it's the rebels, whether it's anyone,

no one yet has really been able to tell him why should you fight for this side? And it connects back to the first three episodes when you're like, who comes to the planet? It's not the empire that comes to the planet. It's the Republic. So to Cassian, he's living in a world where it's like, Republic, empire, shit doesn't matter.

Saw Guerrera, like you guys are all the same. And I like how we're seeing very, very slowly throughout Andor, the rebel take, not only like cells take form in terms of like we're knocking down the empire, but we're also seeing like, all right, what are they fighting for? What are the stakes of this? When you're not Luke Skywalker, you're not Obi-Wan, you're not Leia. And that's what I love. You don't have no powers.

You can't, what, how do you fight this fight if you can't wave your hand and make somebody think what you want them to think? But think about it. metaphorically, think about Luton gives him a chiber crystal. Metaphorically, think about it. That's what powers a lightsaber. I have a question about that chiber crystal. Right.

Is that technically, because we said whether or not we would see a lightsaber in this show? No, it's not. It's not. Okay, I'm just saying. No, no, no, no, no. But we're seeing a chiber crystal. No, no.

That's like, you may as well give him an uncut gem. Like, that's some expensive shit. But back to our. I was saying when he hands him that khyber crystal, what I loved about that scene is think about it. Cassian does not have force powers. He's not force sensitive. He can't use this khyber crystal

in a way that generations before the Jedi were using it. It kind of speaks to the powerlessness just in terms of like, he's not this magic knight. Like the khyber crystal represents something to Luton and what I'm going to assume is going to represent something to Kassian. And I love that moment.

I also like to jump off of that. You speak about like the Rebellion not exactly having an identity, not kind of being a little aimless and it's kind of illustrated here. The act of giving somebody a chiber crystal, the act of like taking that star cruiser unit in the beginning of from that last scene, everything is just like, oh, well, we could sell this for money or like this is another, this is another means to an end. But like, yep, giving a chival crystal to the right person, that's very important.

giving that Star Trekker unit to the right person, that's a resource. Instead of just like accumulating money, they're not thinking about the things that they actually have and like utilizing and organizing like they are before. And like this episode perfectly illustrates like the small bits of organization and dysfunction that's within the rebellion in the early days. And it's also that scene also reshapes the Star Wars universe and the storytelling that we're in, right? because Charles talked about what the gathering means to a young Jedi. It is the ritual of you becoming a young Jedi. And in order to construct your lightsaber to go forth, you have to go and you have to call.

It has to call to you. You have to come to it. You have to face a fear, overcome something. It's a big, big, huge thing. This is also kind of that same thing, but totally different. giving him that chiber crystal it's like a great

like little like twist on that call to action giving him that chiber crystal initiates him in a way into this rebellion it's him he is a paddawan

right now of the rebellion but it's like all it's it's the same but totally different and just like this Star Wars universe that we're in right now

is the same but totally different It's totally different from what we've seen before. And at the end, he says, you know, this means a lot to me, but if nothing else happens, it's $50,000. Jami, your thoughts. I thought that scene in the beginning with them on the ship was so important to their relationship

and their ideal, like their ideas of coming together. Because like Charles said, you know, Cassian's like, Brad, Sep Alliance, It's like, y'all don't even know what y'all are. Why should I join up with your group? You know, like, why should I tap in? And Luton is just trying to sell him on the big idea, right? It's not about who we are, it's what we stand for.

And at the end of the day, what we stand for is getting the empire up out of here. I know you want to do that. And, you know, but you're so focused on staying alive on surviving. This is how we survive in the long run, right? it's not just about now, it's about the future, you know? And he hasn't like totally gotten that yet, but he's on his way. And I think that's, that's going to be so important going forward and to see him grow and realize like, hey, it's not just about today.

It's also about tomorrow. I think it's going to be really, really fun to watch. Let's talk about Dejra and her squad. These are the least trusting motherfuckers I've ever seen before in my life. They are really, they are really fucking mistrustful. They were ready to, oh, boy, with the AK-47 blaster, which I don't know that I've seen in Star Wars before. Oh, you mean, Val?

Yeah, like, Val with the AK-47 blaster, he was ready to put in work. They are obviously so wound up about their mission, understanding the stakes and understanding the odds that are against them, has made them hyper vigilant to any outsiders or anyone that's tie fighters flying over them all the whole time. They're living in a fucking weird situation and they're not really looking to see any new guys.

Which is like when you see that those two tie fighters cresting over that hill, like that looked so scary because like you don't hear them and then boom, they're there. Like it was nuts to be like, oh, so like a tie fighter to just like one person on the ground is horrified. That looked incredible too. Like that shot of the first type out of coming across the

valley was like, oh snap. Like I understand. I'd be terrified too. I mean, the thing that I loved about that entire scene is that of course they're angry. She's looking at Luton like, yo, we eat in roots and berries and you paying this motherfucker $200,000, which is

hilarious because you're like, why are they tripping over $200,000? And then when he meets Mon Mothman, you're like, oh shit. Yes, of course, money from this rebellion has to come from somewhere. Of course, there are people that are on Coruscant being like dog. Like, we can't, we can't keep moving the Imperial Senate's money. We have to figure out another way.

So it's like, in the beginning, you're like, oh, $200,000. And even Cassian's like, fuck this. And then you realize, oh, this money means something to them. Because there are a bunch of people who are like starving because all they have left is to fight, which I love. I love that. Those are the Star Wars questions that you start. asking as you started getting older

in the lore. I get to like 13, 14, I'm like, who's paying for this? Yeah. Who gets the bill for this shit? Yeah, they got they got to buy X-Wings from there. And we all know that they got to buy all of this stuff. I'm like, who pays, like, how are they doing this? And they got to smuggle

all of this stuff. They got supply runs. They've got all of their food, rations, all of this shit. And so we see kind of the inequality even in the rebellion right now. Some people, mom, mom, Lutthma, Luton, are living high on the hog in their civilian lives and trying to funnel money to these guys.

Also, this put a value on Cassian. If you know that they're eating roots and berries and figs and walking around the fords with chappas in their hand and stuff, how valuable must he be to Luton if Luton is willing to pay him $200,000? He's got to be incredibly special for Luthan to get to, to, uh, to, to, to, uh, to, to, give that type of resources to him when obviously there's not enough to go around. Jomey. I actually wanted to ask you guys a question, right? Because watching that scene between Luther and Vail, I was wondering, do you think they got like a history? You know, like,

do you think they know each other from way back? Because I'm thinking, like, that's the way, like, Apostle talked to his daughter. I thought they were father and daughter. It gave that type of, like, energy? I think it was a bit more of like a disorganized general trying to get like his soldiers in line. I thought it was his little girl. I'm not going to lie.

Really? Okay. Because it like it seemed to me that like it, well, no, there was like a very telling moment where like he's like kind of like laying it out for like this is why it's important. This needs to be a win. Like you've got three people. This is already part of the plan. And like she's like already not listening to him. And he just like snaps.

He's like, look at me. Like that was bad. I also. thought later on that major part of guess was what's her name's fault? Right. Well, that's okay. We can't be doing that all the show. We can't be doing that all show. I thought because when he tells her, he says, so we'll talk about this later, he says,

you know, you have a higher standard. I'm like, why does she have a higher standard? Like, what's that? Is it because they're related or because she's a lady or I don't know what the, I don't know what the, whatever. But let's come back to, we'll talk about them a little bit later. I want to go back to what you said, Van, about, like, we know how. much Luthin values Cassian because he puts a dollar amount on it.

Think about when we, the first rebels that we see that aren't Vell, we see Karris, who is sleeping on the job. And Richie from the bear pulls up and you'd be like, yo, Saw Guerrero would like fucking cut off your head and like put it on a pike. So we already see that. Like part of me is like, are these, some of the rebels are ready to fight. But I think what actually makes Cassian valuable is that like not only has he seen war, he's not afraid to pull the trigger.

Luton knows early on. He's just like, yeah, you're invaluable because you're willing to do what it takes. Like, you're not, like, think about it. In the first episode, what is casting you do? He kills two officers. He's just like, yo, it's either you or me, I'm picking me.

And like, there's already some people in that, in that little cell where I'm like, dog, y'all ain't built for this rebel life. Y'all a little too soft around the edges. Really? No, I thought, I thought Karris, the dude who fell asleep. I'm like, bruh, you know,

So I knew a guy in a shout out to my homeboy. I'm going to say his name. Don't say his name. Make up a name for him. I'm going to say his name. My homeboy Jesse, right? Real quick. My home boy Jesse, I went to shout out to, by the way, rest and peace to Jeffrey Kirk,

who was a Marine who died in Iraq. It was a friend of mine all throughout high school. But Jeffrey, Jesse, and Nathan Prejean were friends. Jeff and Jesse went to the Marines and they both went to Iraq. So Jeff passed away, serving his country very bravely, and Jesse came back and he was working at Best Buy with me. And I was like, yo, the Iraq war is still going on.

Like, why are you here? He goes, yeah, so I got discharged. That discharged. I left the Marines. I'm like, why? He's like, well, you know, I fell asleep. I was like, what? He was like, I fell asleep.

He was like, I put my rifle down on the side of me. This is in Iraq. Damn. Wow. I put my rifle down on the side of me. And like I fell asleep. And then when I got up, I went to see where some people were. And I left my rifle there.

Like somebody's like they told. And like I got down. trouble. So the minute I thought, the minute I saw that guy, I was like, oh, it's Jesse. No, shout out Jesse. You're doing him the dirtiest. Oh, Jesse would love it. Jesse is the greatest guy. He told

the story freely. We were all laughing. Like, shout out that. What I'm saying is that happens, though. So I thought that was real. Like, you're out there, you're all wound up, your body wants to relax. You can fall asleep on your pose. It happens.

Listen, Karras, he's just there trying to get his credits for college. You know, it's a paid internship, you know what I'm saying? He got to, you know, he got to get through these last couple of weeks so he can get, he can pass this class. I understand. I understand. But also, that was important in letting you know that they're still trying to, they don't have five or six Cassie Nandoas, like you're saying, Charles.

They have people that are still figuring out how to be as aggressive cutthroat and regimen is they need to be to fight this type of war. I think that was the point that you were making, yeah. They also don't. What I love is like, you're realizing, oh, the rebels haven't even won anything yet. You know what I'm saying? New Hope is so far away. That thing that is going to, like, spark the galaxy to be like, all right, we're behind

you. This is a real thing. Has not happened. And you feel that with Vell. Vell is like, yo, we have been out here. We've been planning for this thing. And that's what I love. You can tell emotionally they're so on edge because it's things.

Like, they need this more than anything. Lufthin needs this to go well. Vell needs this to go well. And I love seeing the rebellion in a state of like, bro, we need one win. Like, our season is almost on the verge of collapsing. We need one win. How rampant do you guys think dissension and defection in the empire is? We have a couple of people already that were involved in the empire that we see are playing

both sides. And like how, and we know from other. you know, Agent Callas, we know we've seen in other places, you know, people that work for the empire. What is it, do you guys feel about the empire that is making people that are supposedly loyal to it defect and want to rebel? Like, there's still that part about Star Wars where we're trying to see how oppressive and bad the empire really is. And I think this show is flirting with showing us. I think it's honestly time. I think time is going to be what gives people a bit more of a devout following or,

line in the sand against what people are doing. Because again, like we're seeing people sell things off for money. Khyber crystals are just going to be given away as like bargaining chips. Massive pieces of technology that could be vital to a rebellious cause is just going to be used for money right now. And the only people that only see the most value in it are going to be the extremists on either side. The rebels that we're dealing with now are the extremists.

They're the ones that are high-strung. They're the ones that have everything to lose because they're going to give up everything for it. later on, we'll see people that'll eventually funnel money. We'll eventually lean a bit more towards that cause and pick up those banners. But for the people now that are the troop relievers, that's only this or that, it's nothing else in between. And then the people that are just here to get their own bit of money, get their own scratch, that's who we have to deal with now. I got the sense that if you remember the ending of like Clone Wars, a TV show,

everybody's turning against the Jedi, they're turning against the same. people are broke. Like, they are running out of money. The Senate is about to be bankrupt. So you already know it's been a recession in the galaxy. People are not being fed. It's rough out here. And we've seen it in our own world. How does fascism rise? When there are a bunch of people who are not getting their needs met and like some type of like leader comes out and be like, I see you, I'm going to change everything. Like, I'm going to bring the Rust Belt back. I'm going to bring jobs back to everybody's going to get paid. And I took this episode

as a perfect example of what happens. When people in the empire start realizing, wait, the Republic, we were broke in the Republic. The empire sold us a dream. They said it was going to be better. We're bringing order. We're going to bring jobs.

I could be this. I could be that. And realizing, oh, no, this shit is still as bad. Like, we're still broke. And that's why you see all these lower level people being like, hey, you know what? Fuck this. Fuck the Republic.

fuck the empire. I'm just going to sell off whatever I can to make money. And that's what I think is genius. Yeah, Jomey was over there looking like Charles spitting right now. He's in his bag right there. Blah, we need to put the ether beat. Joe Me was in church. He was like, shit, man.

Charles was, I'm going to lie, man. He's not lying. Charles was his shit right now, man. I ain't going to lie. Wait, I got to ask you a real quick question, though. Van Jomey, Steve. Be real. Be real.

We're not Jedi. None of us are for a sensitive in this universe. We don't know. None of us are for sensitive. You're not. Wait, no, this is a question. If you're just a regular dude in this galaxy, if you, like, you coming out of high school and the empire comes to your gym class

to be like, hey, yo, everybody, you could get a free hellcat and we'll pay for your college if you join the empire. Would you take them up on the offer? So no, because I'm not like that. one time I actually was fucking with my dad by having the army recruiter

come to the house oh wait what wait how old you set the seed it was like it was like 2000 99 2000 and my dad

so many of my relatives have been in the military and you know shout out to them but they'd have fuck with them a little bit right and I remember like I saw

my dad saw Army brochure that the guy on campus just gave to me. And he was like, boy, you're talking about going to the Army? And I was like, no, uh, maybe. You're a dickhead, bro. Maybe I could think about it. And so the next day I was like, hey, I really have time to come to the office. But if you guys could come to the crib, I remember, never forget, my dad walked into the door and saw the Army recruiter guy sitting at the table with me.

and me and him were debating geopolitics. We were talking about different stuff. And the guy left, and my dad said, you're not going to the fucking army. You don't know shit about life. You don't know what's happening in the world. You're going to get your lesson, and you're going to finish school.

So what I'm saying is I wouldn't have even been able to join the empire because my father wouldn't have let me. If I would have wanted to fly, a firefighter or something like that. My dad had seen too much. He did not want me to join the empire. to join the military. So no, that's my answer.

So I'll tell you, I'll tell you what. Like, I'm Vance parents, Vance dad, and my parents think the same way. Like, nah, you're not out here doing this. I'll tell you what, though. Tell you what, though. If I go into the Empire Recruitment Office and they say, hey, we're going to show you this little clip,

in this little video, just watch this, and then tell me how you feel afterwards. If they go, they put on Top Gun Maverick, I might have to think about it. That propaganda is. The Empire's Top Gun Maverick must be great. That propaganda is elite.

I'm sorry. I might be like, ah. Wait, can you imagine their Top Gun Maverick? Like, the Jedi are just, like, the worst villains in it. You like, you're like, you know, propaganda. You're like, damn, I'm about to fucking kill these, kill these motherfuckers. Like, yeah, yeah, and the tie fighter, you know? Might have to think about it.

I might have to think about it. I would have to think about it. Like, why are you wearing all black? You know? Because only the good guys wear all black. it's like you guys like why are your pilots wearing all black like why y'all look like that y'all ever thought about changing it up to make it a little bit more friendly y'all look y'all look like the bad guys like you know what I mean like so I don't know I know y'all say y'all

want order but this this this base doesn't look lived in it looks very sterile and I don't know what's going on Steve what about you could the empire have gotten you to join the empire probably probably color of these kids they got a whole thing, yeah. It's not even like, hey, Steve, do you want to join the Empire? Steve's like, hey, listen, man, I can use a job. Like, what's going on? You're hiring?

Do you know what I feel like Steve would have been? We'll talk about him later. Steve would have been Mom, Mothema's husband. Probably. That dude don't give a fuck about your rebellion. He's not, he was at the January 6th, interruption. Like, that guy was, that guy is like, Jesus Christ, I'm bored. It's boring.

He's like, he lived. lives, he lives, he is a very, he's, he's a socialite. He's like, he doesn't give a shit about that. He just doesn't want to be bored. Some let them eat cake guy. Exactly. My mom's mama is so sick of his bullshit. She probably joined the rebellion because of him.

She's like, I can't, I can't be with them. But what's wild about that is I'm like, you know, the empire is clearly like Nazi Germany, like in terms of just like what they're representing. So it's very wild He's just like Yeah, they're coming over They're my buds And I'm just like, dude

What the fuck is wrong with you And his wife is just like, yo People are starving out there That's your friends And he's like, hey, but they're funniest shit What do you want me to do? Homies like fucking The worst type of dude

We put you at the other end of the table You're boring You're basic The goal side over here We don't get over there We don't get it. Look, we don't give a piece of fuck about the people eating roots and berries. All right, let's get back to the show.

Let's get back to the show. We have a heist plan. And the heist plan is very intricate. It involves an event that only happens once every three years, which is covered for our rebels escape. It involves a daring, incredibly undermanned assault, attack on a garrison, not really an attack, but, you know, a theft on a garrison.

We're going to have this. It's going to play out. What are you guys looking for? forward to and seen of this in the next episode. Like, this seems like it's going to be pretty amazing visually to watch with, you know, the meteor shower, whatever he was describing or whatever. And pretty daring. And Cassian seems that he's going to play a very key role because he seems to be the only

one that, because he's not fully bought in yet, that understands the real world stakes of this. And it feels like they're going to need his medal specifically to pull this off. What are you guys anticipating for the next episode? episode. Oh, I mean, I love any single thing that is a heist. And I feel like we have seen heist in Star Wars as long as Star Wars. The first movie is that. Like, we've seen this forever. I just want to see Tony Gilroy do it in terms of just like very, very detailed. We learn about this meteor shower that's not a meteor shower, how hard it's going to be. Like, my favorite scene that kind of illustrates just how tense they are and how not

Baudian Cassian is, is like, the guy's like, all right, here's everything you need to know. This is that. This is that. This is that. They're like, all right, study it. And he's like, can I, can I finish my food first? And like, they're looking at him like, like, bruh, like, eat and study. You need to know this by tomorrow.

And I'm like, this is what I love. This is the stuff that you don't really get to see about the heist in Star Wars. Because all like, hey, we're going to be stormtroopers. We're going to sneak into this place. We rarely get to see the moment of like the moment before the moment where they're just like, Here's every single intricate part of this plan that needs to go right. How are we going to make this work? I just, like, I love that scene.

I love a good heist, man. So seeing them plan it out. The homie had, you know, the details was like, oh, don't use this one. It gets wet in the rain. That was cool. Ultimately, I'm excited to see A, who makes that alive? Because, you know, it's all going to go wrong. Somebody going to get shot.

clapped. So I'm going to get clapped, you know. And then how they deal with the, with the curtain, like the, the meteor shower thing that's going to happen. Like that, I'm excited to see what that looks like. I'm sure it'll be beautiful and amazing. But do they make it? We know Cassian makes it out.

But how many other people come out with them? I'll be interested to see what that looks. I'm guessing very few. I'm going to guess very few. Are they going to get the two brothers? Because at that point, it's going to be like, hey, guys, come on. then we need one brother to survive. We need at least one.

We need one brother to survive. Now, we have to choose do we want the double agent from the empire or do we want our man with the AK-47? AK-47 was about to get busy.

I trust him. In terms of, like, he's about that action. I feel like he is. I'm not going to be honest with you. I feel like he's going to get clapped, though. Oh.

I feel like he's going to get clapped, man. I feel like, I feel like he, because he was the protector of the group and seemed like,

yo, can I talk to you? She's like, nah, she actually played him in front of the whole group. She's like, can I talk to you? No, I said what I said.

This is not a democracy. I feel like he might get clapped. Either him. So Karas dying would be very typical. He fell asleep. You know, he's like,

Mouse from the Matrix team. Remember Mouse? Kid wasn't ready. When you first saw Mouse, he was like, you're dead. You're not ready for prime time. It's okay.

Like you're fucking around. You're making, like, you're making, your little porn programs. Porn programs and stuff. You're dead. You're dead. You're going to die. They're going to kill you. You're like, no sequel for you.

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Because the major is sitting there talking to everyone. He's asking questions and no one seems to really understand what he wants them to do. And there's a clear contrast between what they're reading in books because they're just able to regurgitate what she read in her book and between what's happening in real life. and I think he wants actual people who are operatives and maybe for them to be a little bit less rigid. And now they're actually about to deal with a real threat. And I think seeing how they actually deal with a real threat

when it's all regulations, when it's all clean cut, when it doesn't seem to be any cooperation going on, when there's no overarching sense of value or duty that's there, they are actually not operating of firing on all cylinders. They're not that much different than the rebels. Am I wrong about that? I mean, they don't even know,

they can't even agree on what the ISB actually is. One of my favorite lines from this is when the major is like, security is an illusion. And he's telling them, he's like, we are healthcare providers. We are, our purpose to the empire

is to go to these places and root out sickness. He wants them to be predicting where it happens. But the funniest thing is that, like, you get, what's her name? You get Lieutenant Dietra, who's like, she's starting to see it. She's starting to see everything that they're not, that there's a pattern of rebellion. And they're not, and that's what I love if you go back to the first three episodes.

What do we learn there? The empire is getting fat. They're getting lazy. They can't even envision a world where there would be a big enough rebellion that can take them down. Like we already see in this episode how they're getting so arrogant, how they're not working as a team. Because Deidre and Blevins hate each other. Like they don't, like, Bliven's just like, hey, I got six sectors.

These are my six sectors. Fuck off. And that's what I love about to your point then of like, yo, they're in as much disarray as the rebels. Right now, the empire doesn't, they can't even fathom what is about to happen. And I don't think it even so much is. disarray, it is that arrogance that's preventing them from having that actual bit of control. Because Pargatz is like, he's absolutely right in the philosophical ways of that, like, yes,

we're here to snuff out rebellion. We're here to cut this off at the roots and not actually have it. But like when it comes to her having a gut instinct, when Deirdre has a gut instinct about knowing the fact that like, hey, we got patterns here. We have a rebellion. He's like, no, we need vetted information. We need all of these things. We want the tough on crime numbers.

just do your job. It's a small reflection about the corpos with Cyril where it's just like, listen, if you just keep it, like keep your sectors, give me your reports, make sure that you have everything.

Your detention numbers are good. You're going to have a good career. Like it's kind of the same, just on a bigger scale. I think the essentially to think about the rebellion and the ISB as we've seen this episode

in like a, like a fun house mirror in a way. Because while the ISB is here to order you know, da-da-da, we got to have things in the line. Rebellion is the opposite and it's about like causing chaos

for the empire, right? And the way they both go about those things, you know, Luthen brings on Cassian for Vail. Vail's like, I'm not really feeling it. Lutland's like, nah, this is kind of the only option you got. You're going to do this. Vell's like, all right, I got to do this.

the guy in charge is looking at both left tenants. He's like, listen, this is how we do things. It's how operate. You're not going to get your thing. Sorry to tell you. I know that Blevins is tough to work with, but sorry. And she's like, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir. You know, these, like, they're not so different.

It's just a matter of what side they're on, you know. And it's just, it's just something, like, like the dichotomy of that in this episode was something that I thought was really interesting and really well done. Blevins sucks. I don't like motherfuckers like Blevins, man. Dude, did you see when he knows he's about to get his way? He does a little shimmy. He does a little like, he stands up a little straighter.

He's like, ah, told you. Let me tell you why I say disarray. Steve makes a great point, but I'll tell you why. You know what this scene reminded me of? And I wish that we had the bandwidth to actually do a side by side here. The scene with them at the ISB getting dressed down, getting told what it is that they should be doing, how they should be looking at things,

reminded me of the wire. It reminded me of whenever we would go to Comstack in the wire and Deputy Rawls would be dressing down different members of the Baltimore. It would be the majors that had different sectors of the Baltimore or police department, and he would be imparting upon them what it is that the police department looks for that signals that they're doing a good job. And it was about stats, okay?

It was about numbers. It was about figures. It was about tangible things, not so much about what the majors, who are intimately linked to what's going on in their districts thought about the crime there. Remember, Bunny Colvin ends up doing Hamsternam because he's like, their way won't work.

Like, their way, it just won't work. Like, what we're doing, like, he goes, she has a hunch, right? She has a hunch, and she's seeing a pattern. Something that was operating in the right way would vet the hunch. Like the vetting should come, we should say, oh, okay, you have an idea of what's going on, you see a pattern. We're going to vet the hunch, right?

And when he said, we want it carefully vetting, he's not in any, he doesn't have the way that he's doing it is actually wrong. And when we would see the Baltimore Police Department on the wire, they were organized. But we could see that they were dysfunctional because they didn't know really what they should be doing. And when I looked at that, I saw the same thing. Nobody knows what they're supposed to be doing. And if that's the case, it's a failure of leadership. Nobody knows how it's supposed to be going. And they won't listen to people who have new dynamic and valuable ideas.

That is how you lose. And we're seeing the weaknesses of the empire, man. You know what else I thought about this? Think about the difference. When we see a tie fighter in a big Star Wars show, they're almost like ants, right? They're like not, like, we don't, nobody's scared of a fucking tie fighter.

Like, not when, not when we're not in that gigantic space battle. But in this show, it spells impending doom. Like, oh my God, there it is right there. Like, so the galaxy is in a completely different place. The audience, the viewers, in a completely different space to both fear the empire, but also look at exactly what it is that they're doing wrong and how they are eventually going to lose this fight that we know they're going to lose.

So can I ask you this, Van, do you think that this show is doing a great job, even if it's unintentional, of showing how, in a lot of ways, the empire is a reflection of what Anakin always wanted the Jedi to be? Interesting. When you think about Anakin in the Clone Wars, he wants to be proactive. He wants to do things,

and he's constantly upset that the Senate is getting in his way. He's upset that the council is getting in his way. Think about when that episode arc, when Asoka is first like with Saw and the rebels, and they're just like,

hey, the Jedi really can't be a part of this, but like Asokin, Anakin, give a plan and be like, all right, we're going to help you, we're going to teach you out of fight. And you can tell, like, Anakin's just like, yo, like, we can end this.

We can end this war. We can be more proactive. And if you think about it, the empire is almost a reflection of Anakin wanting control and wanted to be like, hey, what if we could just go stomp out shit wherever it happens? What if we could go fight? We don't need the Senate. We don't need people like fucking Mon Motho. We don't need these people.

We are going to go take what we want. And what's actually happening is if this is a reflection of how Anakin wanted to police the universe to begin with, we're starting to see the blow of this is how you get the Jedi Council. This is how you get the Senate. This is how you get retroactive. Yeah. Yeah, because if you think about it,

what was the pre-bore boss saying? He's like, I'm going to this imperial meeting. They just fucking want numbers. Like, fucking calm down, sit down. They don't care about Primor until things get fucked up. This is actually, I think we're starting to see what happens when the empire was proactive.

They did take over this planet that we're seeing this episode and get them the fuck out of there in a matter of a couple years. Now we're seeing what happens when you're too big, you're too massive. And now everybody, like, you can't do that anymore, which I think is, we're just learning so much. Yeah, I agree. Wow.

This is an astute observation. No, it's very true. What do you mean? This is what happens when I'm locked. No, you didn't think he had it. You didn't think he had it. No, I'm just, Jesus Christ, man. 20%, 20%, 20%, 20%, 20% Star Wars.

Stark. And then political stuff. Political stuff, 20%. Let's move on. I think we can talk about Ma'am Mothman and the politics a little bit. Have we hit everything that we need to hit on the empire? You have anything else?

Do we need to talk about our... Cyril's standing there, more than anything, I felt bad for Cyril's commanding officer who fucking told him to leave it alone. Right. Okay? Who fucking told him to leave it alone and says, yo, I didn't do shit.

And I'm looking at Cyril like, you little pissant. What happens to Cyril now? I think of all the threads that are arising in the show, I thought I knew what was going to happen with him. I thought at the end of the last episode,

I thought that Cyril was going to end up getting closer to the empire, becoming like a true believer, and almost a zealot for the empire, but it seems like they have absolutely zero use for him. He's back home living with his fucking mama. So what is going to happen with Cyril? I'm so interested to know.

I think it's an inversion, actually, of the journey that Cassian is going on. Because if you think about it, what do we see in the first three episodes? Cassian has to leave his mother. He has to leave the person that, however you want to cut it, like did save him from getting killed as a child

and has to learn to fight for, something where it's like now with cyril he has to go back to his mother he has to go back and has to figure out what am i fighting for when i've been abandoned by the empire so that's what i think i love about the duality of cassian versus cyril is that both of them are in this nebulous place in the middle where it's just like what do you do who do you fight for when you've been abandoned so much in your life and that's what i think cyril i actually don't know is cyril going going to become someone who is hell-bent on getting Cassian at any cost? Or through his journey, is he going to start realizing, like, is everything I was made

to believe from Primor, the Empire, really what I should be on the side up? I think that this puts Cyril on a warpath for Cassian. And I also think that this is probably going to put him on a collision course with Deirdre. because both of them, regardless of how Cyril went about it or how Deirdre will go about this hunch, they're on the same path. They both went on, they would not let it go.

I'm assuming Deirdre will not let this go. And I'm guessing that Cyril is going to be trying to operate within, outside of the bounds that the empire wants. And Deirdre, somebody like that to Deirdre is actually quite useful. I don't know if that can get him to Coruscant. I don't know if that wants him to get into the arms of the empire, but I think that Cyril and Deirdre are very much aligned with their methods, and I think that that's going to actually be beneficial to how they want to, like,

cut Cassian's assent off at the pass. Interesting, because he had a hunch as well. He did. He was going off. Yeah, it was kind of the same thing. My bad, Jomey. No, you're good. My first thought was always like, okay, you know, you see him going to go into his mom's apartment.

That's right. So I was like, what's the next term? I think, you know, he's going to get that recruitment. letter from the empire. We need bodies. You know what I'm saying? And like Steve said to Steve's credit, he's going to put him right back in the mix. And he's going to be the ideal candidate.

He's going to do everything by the book. But then the second that he comes across somebody like a Deirdre, and then he'll be like, yep. As soon as that. I thought, you guys thought he was getting a recruitment letter? I was, I was thinking, because he'll find a way to operate outside of those boundaries. Is D. I don't think so. The papers and be like, wait, who is this person?

Why did he start? Like, are they going to meet somehow? And he's going to kind of be like the weirdo kind of like insane conspiracy theorist, like being like there's a rebellion happening. And Dieter's going to be like, he's going to get on Reddit just yet. I propose a new segment, midnight prognostications. We already do, we always do this, but we never tracked them. I propose a new segment where we do midnight prognostications.

We can find out if there's something to literative out there that means you predict, I guess. We can figure that out. But we should start tracking these to see who is the most, it has the most ESP amongst all the Midnight Boys. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, we have two so far.

Who wants to claim that Vell and Ed Luthin, our father and daughter? Who wants to claim that? I'm not claiming that. I'll claim that. I'll claim that. I'll claim that. So that's a midnight. Can two people claim it?

I agree with Jomey. Okay. You two can take it. I think it should be based on Cyril this time because the veil. Yeah. All right, but we can do too. So, okay, let's get the official votes. Let's do it.

First one. Are Vell and Luthan father and daughter, official pronunciations? I say no. I say no. I say yes. I'm going yes. What will happen to Cyril? I want official prognostications.

It doesn't have to be exact, but just give me your overview of what you think is going to happen. Rogue agent for the acting on behalf of the empire, whether that's an official or unofficial capacity. He could be a lone wolf. He could be a something. This is unofficial,

unofficial agent, but working with Deidre to find Cassian. He and Deidre will cross paths. I will say him and Deidre are going to cross pass past probably at some time in this next two episodes. I think, I think official agent yeah

he's like official agent working as an op for like for Didera and to fight Cassian I think he officially joins the ISB in some way because his knowledge of the situation with Cassian is going to be is going to prove useful to Didera

but at first I predict there will be a scene in the next episode where his mother, and we haven't seen any screeners, guys. There will be a scene in the next episode where his mother tries to comfort him with food. I'm telling you right now. It's going to be a scene in the next episode.

It's going to be a scene in the next episode where he's sitting down, all dejected, and she's like, would you like some Twilic soup? And she's going to... What? What? What? What?

What? No. Not her. How dare you? What? your likes of Twilix soup? No. Actually, this is going to get,

you guys are going to be mad at me, and you won't have answers, but if you had to, if you had to marry any alien race in Star Wars, who would it be? It would be the Twilix. But it would be a Twilix.

Yeah, because the Twilix is straight. It would be Hara specifically. Hara, Hera, it would be the Twilix. But remember, the humans don't respect aliens so they could be making

Twilix soup. It's true. Nah, man. Come on. Twilick, no, come on, bro. They're basically humans, though. Wait, are they chopping off the tails? But maybe it's not, maybe it's not soup made out of Twilix.

Maybe it's soup that Twilix make. Let's change it. I like that. Okay. I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Mom Motham and the politics is this episode were fascinating to me.

See, come on, Steve. What? I was excited. No, actually, I'm very excited, too. Ma'amatha was great. Steve, we'll start with you. The scene between Luther and Ma'amatha in the art gallery that Luton runs, we now know how he is able to fund this situation. He's using Monmouthma, who is diverting funds.

She's doing what great politicians do, which is steal money for their own endeavors. And is using her to misappropriate funds and funnel them to the rebels. It has to be done, cloak and dad. stagger style, his staff at the art gallery is working with him, the entire thing. Art gallery, antique store. I believe it's antiquities, yeah. Yeah, it's antiquities. Like old, old Republic antiquities.

What did you think about this scene, Steve? Brilliant. Actually, amazing. It's like indicative of all of the great, like, type of spy thriller tropes where, like, him and his guy, and then you're like, oh, well, that's a new driver, fucks up with that. and then Mothema's just like, they're looking at me everywhere. Like,

this is not, like, this is becoming untenable, and we've got to find more people for this. Like, it can't just be you and me. We're funneling too much too fast. And he's like,

get a new driver. And she's like, but I need more people. Like, I know somebody. And before, like, and you figure that you know

who that somebody is, right? Do we all think we know who that somebody is? Oh, you're talking about, uh, it's Bill O'Connan.

Yeah. I don't think Oregon is even in this fight yet. I don't even know if that, like, if this is that early on, if it's mainly Mon Mothma being like, like we need to get more hands on, on this.

Well, Bill O'Grona, Bill O'Gona is going to be in the fight from the beginning. Remember, he is watching over Leia on Alderon. Right, but that sentiment is still probably spread out. Like, other senators might not be talking about this stuff. Like, this could just be like a hairbrain in her mind to be like, okay, I know this one guy that knows a couple of rebels. Like, this isn't a sentiment that might be,

spread across the whole Senate or even a couple of senators. You're talking about the actual real foundations of the rebellion. Exactly. We don't even know we don't know who's in the circle yet. Exactly. So when she says that somebody, when she says someone, like I imagine it could be

it could be him. Steve makes a great thing. And and and Luthan's like no like we're not ready for this like this needs to be small like this is like we can't get too much information get a new driver and then he's immediately like all right and this is the lovely and like it's that small cloak and dagger scene

where they got to talk for like, they've only got like two minutes and they got to like speak briefly and directly. It's perfect. It's exactly what I would have loved to see. And like I don't think it could have been done better. Stel and Scarsars killed it in this episode.

He's so good. He's so magnetic. He's so good. I know we're off this, but when he changes into the clothes, he does this little walk. That little like hand twirl and all that. What he like practices?

Like to make sure he. he still can get into character. Yeah. Bro, Scars Guard, he's on a fucking other level. In that scene that Steve was talking about, he literally is doing his, you know, salesman thing,

that on a dime, bam. Well, because he's got to get, he's got to get, what's her name to, like, distract the driver to not watch her where he's going, because clearly he works for, he's a spy.

Yeah. Like, all of just like the slight glance when she goes into the back room and he's like, okay, all right, well look at the coins. and like that that's all you need to know. Like clearly he's not trusted. Like that is perfect.

Like you don't need to be told Jesus, but like nothing is on its nose. Nothing is over explained. Everything if you pay attention is right there for you and it's a feast. I love it. At first, I didn't even know why the staffer was, was showing him coins and stuff.

Right, because like, she was distracting him. He's looking around and he's just like, and then like the second then Mon Motho is like kind of leaving his periphery. He's like, okay. and then there you go. That's all he needs. Let me ask you this.

Midnight proxication number three. Right. Is there going to be a scene where Mon Mothma even attempts to get her husband to join the side of the rebellion? To talk to him about what it is that she is doing. He seems so far on the other side of this.

I think there will be a definitive thing that he says or does that assures her that she can never do that. She won't try, but like, there's going to be a thing where she's with his, you know, empire buddies and it's going to be like some, like, I don't know, like gray shirt generals or whatever. And she's like, okay, well, that's,

that, like, can't trust him anymore. And then she'll break away. I think that'll happen. I don't think that she'll give away. She's not going to blow up her spot. She never has blown up her spot like that. So do we think we're going to get a Judas type of thing where it's like he tries to call the,

empire on her and she's like, Oh, and she kills him? I tell you what? If it's between his way of life and what she's doing, I know that he'll choose his way of life. I think we've seen, I think we, so that could happen.

That could happen. With his man bun. Yeah. Oh, I don't know. I could see, I could see her blow at the first spot. Because, I mean, she is a co-founder and the leader

of the Rebel Alliance, right? You can't do, can't be a senator and the leader of the rebel lines at the same time. You can't be on Yavin-Four going back and forth from here to Khorasat. You know what I'm saying? I don't know.

Papalete did a pretty good job of it. Yeah. Popatine. Yeah. Pappetian. Different animal. Same beast. You know what I'm saying? All right, right.

Mon Mothema, I don't think she got to like that. At some point, you got to look at the homie and be like, lab, bro. You're not, yeah, the vibe's already there. I got to go. Goodbye. See ya. Piano.

So at some point I think she's like, yeah, you're beyond saving. I'm going to go to my family. I think the worst case scenario, he threatens to go to the empire because he finds out. And she's got a, phew. So we, real cinema. Midnight pronunciation. Does the husband live or die? That's going to be the new one.

Die. Die. Die. Die. Die. Die. Pack. So for.

Pack. Pack watch. Pack watch for my mouth. My mouthful husband. Yep. Get him out of here. I'm also on watch for the ghost crew. Oh.

to come and get her off to she's got, she defects. The ghost crew helps her defect. That's the true thing. I know that's not going to happen. I know we're not going to see anybody from the ghost crew. Damn. Hey, but here's the thing though.

And this is why I was like, are you sure you didn't see any Jedi things? I was on the interwebs last night. And in the, in the antiquities room, like when he showed, when the girl is, or the woman is showing the limo driver,

some of the stuff, there's like some rocks. And it, kind of looks like, you know, from Rebels, van, you know, like the world between worlds, you know, a little bit of that. Oh, where? Like, you're talking about, um, on Lothal.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks a little bit like that. So you're like, I understand any Jedd, I think it's like, are you sure? Maybe it's a, maybe it's a little reach, but. Gilroy ain't watched rebels. I think, I think that's some wishful thinking.

I don't know if Gilroy didn't watch rebels. But all it takes on the show. Yeah. All it takes is some dude, some prop guy to be like, oh, we do this, little bit, drop that, boom. And you're like, you do the point, you know what I mean? All right, final thoughts on the episode, midnight boys. Can't wait for next week.

It's going to be, you know, so when I go down, you know what I'm saying? I'm shocked it. The show is spectacular. Like, it's the fact that it, like, we're talking about the biggest ideas in Star Wars dealing with the smallest people in Star Wars. That, like, and it's going to keep doing that every. week. We're talking about like geopolitical, like, great things when we're talking about people hiding out in the forest distrusting each other. It's great. I love it. This is unprecedented for me. I'm going

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Plus. We got to get into Nerd News. because there is a fucking shit ton of news. Steve gave it to me. All right. Gigantic news. Yesterday, Ryan Reynolds released the video.

I don't even know how to say this. announcing the fact that fucking Hugh Jackman is back as James Howlett, a.k.a. Logan, aka the Wolverine. Deadpool 3 will feature Wool the fucking ring as played by Hugh Jackman. They released a couple of videos.

One video where they made the announcement, another video where they said that this is taking place I guess at a different time than Logan. It's not the same thing. Logan is Logan and Wolverine died in Logan, but this is different. They didn't really get into too much of explaining it. Guys, I was super excited.

Charles tried to throw cold water on it. I did try to throw cold water on it. What are you talking about? I can read the text. I can read the text. Want me to read them? What text? I'm just joking.

There's no text. There's no text. There's no text. I was fantastic. I was good about this. I was through the roof about this. Charles, what are you doing? I always expected that this was going to happen.

I think we are in... Really? Guys, we are living in a world where they got Toby, McGuire and Andrew Garfield back as Spider-Man. Emil Blaski back as abomination. You know what I'm saying? Patrick Stewart. Those characters didn't die. But Patrick Stewart, you know,

coming back as Xavier, like we are in, if I'm going to do, I'm going to do the midnight prognostication of all prognostications. We are, what, it's, when's, when Secret War is coming out, two years, three years,

we are two or three years away from all of the original Avengers coming back for that movie. We are, this is just the world we're living in. Like, this is when I saw the news, I'm like, well, of course Hugh Jackman's coming back. They all come back. They're always going to come back. I, I was genuinely, like,

surprised and excited. Like, it's great. Like, of course you could bring him back. Like, that would be an amazing thing to do. And I definitely think that Ryan Reynolds and the team over there were considering that because, you know, that was the in joke in Deadpool 2. Like, it's coming full circle. Everything

could be great for that. I, there was a genuine like shock to me for people that were like upset or disappointed that you could be returning because of one reason or another mainly because like they're upset because we're not getting a new wolverine or like I've heard the term creatively bankrupt thrown around once or twice and I'm like okay listen like one if you're going to bring anybody back like it probably be pretty great to do him. second of all, I don't think that even if this is, let's just say this movie sucks. Let's just say Deadpool 3 is going to suck.

And it was like worse than Origins Wolverine, very low chance that it ever will. Everybody upset that like Logan was a perfect ending to Hugh Jackman's Wolverine and that they'll never like, you're never going to top that or he shouldn't have to come back because of all of this. I'm like, it's never going to ruin that perfect thing. Logan was indeed like a like a high bar for the form of superhero movies to come to it's never gonna like no matter how bad this movie could possibly be

it's never gonna take away from that like it never would and it's a really weird take that I've been seeing pop up every once in word I don't know if I agree with it but I get the sentiment in terms of like I do understand like why people were excited it's few it's you fucking Jackman

like I get it like he's the guy he was one of the people who started this whole thing and I also do you get the sense of where I think we're in a holding pattern with the X-Men, where it's like we keep getting like, Ah, Namor is a mutant. Miss Marvel's a mutant. We get Professor X.

Logan comes back. It's some kind of mutation. Yeah, like, I think there is a level of like, okay, but where's this going? Is Hugh going to be our Wolverine going forward? I think this raises so many questions where I do get maybe some of the confusion in terms of like, can you just please tell me what's happening with the mutants? All right.

John me, go ahead. I got to have a talk with the fans after you talk. I'm sorry. I mean, like, kind of where Charles was at, I was like, I always felt like this was going to happen. But to see them, like, announce it, like, give that to us two years in advance. I think it's pretty cool. You know, they could have helped that for, well, because you can't hold anything

now because Hollywood is so online and everybody would just like, oh, look, we tracked you, Jackson's plane. They're filming in Atlanta right now. He's dinner with Ryan Reynolds in Atlanta right now. drinking Ryan Reynolds's tequila, et cetera. Right, we woulda, we would, we would, uh, we would have, um, figure that out. So for them to, like, give that to us two years early still, it was pretty cool. And it's exciting because we all thought, you know, like, it was, we never see Hugh Jackman, you know, in the MCU.

Like, that was always something like, how many years ago, we were like, man, I was that how'd happen. So to see it, you know, announce it to potentially in two years, see that on screen. It's just, like, so exciting. And so awesome. I can't wait. Hopefully he puts on the yellow suit, you know what I mean? let's get it. They'll give it to them.

They're going to do it. You think they're going to give them the yellow suit? They got to. They got to. They got to. So here's the thing. Number one, I was,

I did not expect this. I did not expect to see, I expected to see Hugh Jackman reprised the role in the MCU, Secret Wars or something. I did not expect to see Hugh Jackman in a movie with Deadpool. It's the logo of the film is

Deadpool's logo with, the poster of the film, shall I say, is Deadpool's logo with Wolverines, three claw slash through it, right? The claw slash through it. That, to me, at least intimates that Wolverine is second on the call sheet here.

And we're going to get a team-up movie, a buddy cop type of situation, Wolverine. That is fantastic. That's fantastic whether or not Logan would have died and Logan or not. To have them in that movie together, Deadpool of Wolverine is going to be amazing. Okay, let me make sure the fans remember something here.

Everything that you asked them to do with the X-Men, they did it. They rebooted the entire X-Men team. They did. Like, everything you're asking them to do, they did it. They did it. Hey, they're creative a labor. They didn't try to move anything forward. Yeah, they did.

And you guys didn't like it, right? And it's not your fault that you didn't like it, but I will say this. The fact that we are not, the fact that we come down on things that we don't like. So fucking hard. which is another difference between the MCU in years past and the MCU now is a movie would come out that shit wouldn't be that great, it'd be like, okay, that sucked. Now it's like, this, and I'm as bad about it as anybody else.

Like this, I'm like, yo, this fucking sucks. Like, this is bad. Like, I've bagged on Thor for, I've bagged on my problems with Dodger Strange and the multiverse of madness. I've done this. It's a part of fandom now, right? What would make anybody think that the studio's reaction to that isn't going to be to play it safe.

Like, if we want more, if we want them to be more daring, then we would have to be a little bit more patient because that means some things are going to miss. Now, we're going to talk about Fagie and some of the stuff going on at Marvel, and we know that it's not a well-level ship there yet, but you can't fucking have it both ways.

It can't be everything that comes out that's new. You fucking hate She-ho. You fucking hate Miss Marvel. You fucking hate all of this. stuff, right? It's different. Maybe you don't love it and maybe that's true and I get it. But if they say, okay, you didn't like that, all right, we're going to give you more Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. Now you don't like that. Like, what is it that you really want? Right? You want new things that are amazing. I get it. But sometimes things take a second to find their footing.

Not every single movie is Iron Man off the jump. Thor didn't get it right to his third film. The first Thor is a cool movie. The second Thor is a cool movie. The second Thor is. I kind of feel a special way about but you guys all hated it. The first legitimate, I could make an argument right now that as far as Stor solo movies, they're one for four.

In terms of movies that are really good, I can make an argument that they're one for four. One is really fantastic. Two of them are okay, and one of them is bad. So I guess what I'm saying is, stop fucking complaining about it.

This is wild coming from you. This is wild. I'm just, I'm just saying stop. Before it even happens. Before it even happens. Like, yeah, before the movie is stop fucking complaining about it. This is the whole Midnight Boys thing. Like, everybody complains before it happens.

I know, no, no, no. But I put myself in there for sure. Like Hugh Jackman is back as Wolverine. I'm looking at Hugh Jackman. I'm like, is Hugh going to be able to, all the questions that you have, I have them. I watched the second video. He's lost a little weight. Is Hugh's body at 53 going to be able to take the bulking up that,

that he needs to be able to play Wolverine again. Is it going to be different? Is it going to be safe? Are we going to feel the same about it? All those questions still, but fuck, man. Like, they're trying to recast somebody who was perfect for a role. It's hard. I will also say that, like, guys, this is, this is a business.

If there is, like, any, if there is any movie right now in the MCU that has so much writing on it, it is Deadpool because it is going to be most likely the first movie that features a mutant in the MCU. And I'm sure Kevin Feige is like, yo, there's a bunch of contractual shit that we have to deal with. What can we do to like give the fans that feeling again

and make it seem like the X-Men and mutants are in good hands? Bring back Hugh. Like, if I'm sitting in the office, I'm with Kevin, I'm like, that's a brilliant idea. Let's go fucking call him. Also, think about this.

Big thing that we're not forgetting here. This will likely be the MCU's very first R-rated film. They need to guarantee people getting in those seats. What do you think could do that more? especially after Deadpool 2. Because,

especially. Like, Deadpool 2 is like fine, but I don't think people, like, it's not remembered as fondly as the first one. Yeah.

No. I would agree with that. I don't think also, it was cool. Yeah, it was cool, but like, you know. I don't think that's true, though, Charles.

I think, I think Fantastic 4 is a much more important, like, to get the most important. I just think, like, in terms of like,

it's an R&D movie that made how many, how much money? Like, Deadpool is like, financially like a big like I'll put it to you this way I wouldn't be surprised if Deadpool 3

makes more money than Fantastic 4 Whoa whoa whoa you think that Deadpool 3 is going to make more money than the first Fantastic 4 MCU movie? Potentially like I don't know That would be a gigantic failing for the MCU if that happened but Ryan Reynolds is a star I don't like it because

Deadpool 3 is going to be R-Aided All right yeah I'm forgetting that I'm forgetting that yeah No, yeah, yeah. I'm forgetting the R rating does cap how much money can make. Yeah. So, like, you got to, you got to do absolutely everything you can to make sure people show for an R-rated movie for the MCU. And I think getting Hugh Jackman is a pretty big get.

Am I smoking? Am I tripping? Like, the first Deadpool made Buku bucks. Yes, I didn't understand that. But it's also a risk that Disney hasn't taken yet. Let's see how much money. I want you guys to guess. How much money do you think the first Deadpool made?

First Deadpool was like. Did that get a bill? Did that get a bill? I'm going to say in the ballpark of a billion, 900 million to a billion. Yeah, high hundreds of millions. It made $782 million. Okay. So nuts money.

Yeah. What was the budget? What was the budget? I think it was like 32 mil. Like, I think it was like. $58 million. Fuck. That's crazy.

That's so good. That's crazy. The second, the second. How much you guys think the second debt pool made? I think it was probably like 500, maybe like a little less. 785 million. Damn, about the same. Okay.

That's what, like, I don't, these movies, people are going to come see these movies. No, no, no, no, no, no, but that's, but that's a, but I mean, that's a different animal. Like, no, no, that,

that, we're talking about like, 785, that's huge for an R-rated movie, but I would, I would imagine that Dr. Strange in the multiverse of madness probably made around that same amount of money

or more. Sure. You know what I mean? The fraction of that budget, though, that was like a $250 million. I mean, I understand,

I understand, I'm telling you that. made $760 million. And that's on the lower side for an MCU movie just in terms of like big box office. They're cracking a bill. Like Black Panther Wakanda Forever is going to crack a bill easily. Yeah. But all I'm saying is that the R rating of the movie does change the amount of money that

the movie can make. But I think with it already making that kind of money, you add the MCU flavor, you add the Wolverine flavor. We're looking at like a big time. volume here that the movie could potentially, you know, crack like 95 or 95,000 or, you know, or 1,000 million and, you know, get past a billion mark where I feel like Fantastic 4, y'all would argue that there are three bad Fantastic 4 movies that already, you know, soured, soured the product, right?

So when that comes in, I like it, I like the first one, but we don't have time to get into that argument. But when that movie comes out, I'm being like, man, Fantastic 4, I'm really excited. to go see that. Like, yeah, like, I think there's so much more writing on that for them. Like, if they came up and they made, you know,

$750 million, you'd be like, oh, snap, you know what I mean? Versus Deadpool, which, like, I'm not going to say is guaranteed to make a billion dollars, but with everything all the excitement toward this movie, R-rated or not, sure, okay, you can't bring your kids to go see it. The homie is

going to see it two, three times because, oh, man, Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. Come on. I'll tell you something. The number one R&A. movie of all time. Of course you guys know it's Joker. Yes. Across a billion dollars. I just can't fucking

understand why. God wasn't with us. God wasn't with us. That's what it was. I'm not one of those people that hate that movie. I understand. I get the problems with the movie. I think it's a good film. But shit, I can't

understand why not. It's a couple years after Deadpool. Deadpool is, I think in the top five, top three of our rated movies? Both Deadpool movies are in the top three. All I'm saying is that in terms of this, we've gotten off, we've got all attention a little bit. In terms of this, though, I think this is good to see.

And I think, hell, yeah. It's interesting to me, even from a story standpoint, of what they'll be able to do with Wolverine reprising this role, with Deadpool being in the MCU, and how they bridge the appearance of mutants in the world. I want to see what they do. Yeah, okay. Let's move on to the, this is,

this was, this is something that Charles really wanted to discuss. It was reportedly late yesterday that the upcoming Blade movie has a lost its director. And this movie is supposed to start shooting, what, a couple of months? Two months in November. But Sam Tarik left the project. And yeah, as you said, like, they were going to start filming in Atlanta in November. And then Jeff Snyder on Twitter wrote, I'm told that the current played script is roughly 90 pages and features exactly two.

lackluster action sequences where Herschel is said to be very frustrated with the process. Fagie said to be spread too thin. But hey, that's just what sources are telling me. Don't shoot the messenger. Once again, these are unconfirmed reports. What I want to ask you, then, as someone who's way more kind of embroiled in Hollywood, what does it mean when a director leaves two months before and there's an out-a-lock script? And I know that Marvel is different than most movies where their scripts are never really

finished. They're constantly changing shit where it's like same thing with directors. We saw John Wattsley Fantastic for recently and get replaced. Scott Derrickson left Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness was replaced by Sam Ramey all the way back to Ant Man replacement. This isn't, this happens like quite a bit in terms of Marvel's history. But in Hollywood, what does it mean this close to filming? Okay, so there's two different things. The script is one thing. I've worked on shows before where you're getting script pages while the movie's going on. I remember The Reaping, which turned out not to be a good movie.

They were rewriting scenes as we were shooting the scene before. The rewrites were constant, constant, constant, constant, to where my ending script for that looked like a rainbow, I had so many different colored pages in it, right? Because they'll change. On that particular show, they would change. Whenever they would do a rewrite on the script, they'd give you new pages,

and the pages would be a different color. so I would put them in there and like I have a picture somewhere of that script and the pages were all different colors and stuff like that, whatever. What this means in terms of the director is more interesting to me because that just means that the director hates working with them.

I want you to understand that the Blade movie is a guaranteed hit movie for whoever this director is. Having a film like Blade that doesn't just have source material that has an that has a franchise that's already been made, when they come to you,

you, if you like making big movies, which not a lot, which not, I'm not going to say not a lot, some directors don't. Some directors don't enjoy making big movies. But if you enjoy making big movies and you want to make big movies, there's just no way you don't make this film, right? Yeah, here's the thing, Basam Tariq is coming from making two smaller films. His most recent film was Mogul Moogli, which featured Riz Ahmed, and that made $127,000 in change at the box office.

So he's one of the, and Marvel does this a lot, where they pluck a director that's, you, the indie world to maybe, like, even Ryan Coogler. Ryan Coogler had Creed. That was his biggest thing, but he had never really directed a big budget action film on that scale. Not like Black Panther, right? Yeah. So this is normal in terms of like the directors they like to go after.

Same thing with Klois, yeah. Yeah, so the reality, so for that type of situation, for somebody to exit this close to filming, that tells me that whatever's going on, he tried to get through it he tried to work through it because you're not going to two months before filming starts decide that you don't like the process

this was something that had to be built up built up built up and then you decide this is untenable I can't do it I can't do it and remember the director of this particular movie could go on to have a fantastic career right

and because obviously very very talented was guaranteed to have a pretty decent career if they directed this film. So to have a movie like Blade with a two-time Oscar-winning star in Mahershali,

with the MCU behind it, all of these things, and to decide you don't want to do it, it has to be terrible in terms of whatever's going on behind the scenes. And then they hear also that Mahershala is frustrated with it Rumored, rumored, alleged.

Alleged. Alleged. I can find out it. But like alleged that he's frustrated with it, that's a major problem. And remember, this is like, this is now not the exception with Marvel projects. This is the rule with directors feeling creatively

hamstrung, with directors feeling like they're not making the movies that they're one of, even when the films get made. a lot of times you hear these directors say, well, hey, just to let you know, this is not necessarily, it's not necessarily a Sam Ramey movie. Yeah, Sam Ramey.

Like, even Tyco Watiti, it wasn't like Tyco was like, this is the best movie I've ever made. He was doing a bunch of other shit as well. The reason I kind of wanted to talk about this as well is just, do we think that Blake, like, Blake can be turned around,

but the thing that makes me worry is like, whatever director comes in is coming in on a ship, like on a ship that has already sailed. Like, how do you put your, there's only so much of your creative stamp that you can put on something where it's like, I'm sure they have the look of this movie,

they're probably already working on a lot of the CGI effects for this movie. There are so many things that have to happen for a Marvel movie to happen and a director stepping in two months before really has to become almost like a shepherd in the same way Sam Ramey was, is like, I just have to make sure that this movie is A, watchable and B gets done on time so we don't waste a lot of money.

Do you remember the first Blade movie? Yes. What was it about? It was about Blade coming to terms with being this Daywalker, trying to get revenge on the people that killed, on the vampires who killed his mother and wanting to get cured. What did Deacon Frost, what did Deacon Frost want in the Blade movie,

the villain in the movie? Did he want, he was tired of all the vampires, the vampire Illamonati, like hiding and shit. He wanted the vampires to, like, rule the world and, like, take over as, like,

the kings and queens of this one. Okay, so this is my point by asking you that. He wanted to become the blood god, and he wanted to do this entire thing at the end of to become the blood god and that was the big thing. The point of the movie was, it really

didn't really matter what the movie was about because what the movie was about was watching Blade kick vampire's asses. That is good. Like, so Deacon Frost was in the movie and the second movie you had Nomek who was one of the fucking vampire

mutants and he had to be stopped. They put the blood back together, all of this stuff. My point is that there's not much to making a great fucking Blade movie that we like. The fucking movie is about jumping over stuff, karate and swords, baby.

That's what it's about. I mean, I'm being for real. So to hear that they're complicating this movie, which they probably have to do because of all of the MCU stuff, and to also hear that there are only two fucking action scenes in a Blade movie. If that's

true, that's fucking nuts. The movie has to be wall-to-wall kicketh of asseth of vampire if the motherfucker fought Dracula in the third movie the actual Dracula you know what I mean

like so so like it once again it just doesn't seem like they know what they want to do with the character and if you don't know what you want to do with the character you're not going to be able to retain the director because if that movie fucking sucks

they're going to be like this motherfucker fucked up Blake you know I once had a producer tell me this it was like uh because before we made two distance strangers i was like uh he was like yeah well if this movie comes out it's like if this movie you know comes out you like you just get all your scripts out and do all this stuff like that i'm like this is a very prominent producer and i'm like yeah well you know we still haven't made like a feature linked joint though and so we haven't made a good feature of these movie he's like nah it's the important thing is that you never made a bad

one i was like well he's like he's like it's more important forget about the fact that you've made a good one It's more important that you've never made a bad one. If you can go in there and sell somebody on your vision on what it is that you want to do and you even have a smaller film that you've made that people are good, they'll give you a shot to make your movie. He was like, the reality is nobody's lost their job yet because of a movie that they let you make. And that means a lot in this town. So they're probably directors who are more afraid to make a bad movie than they are to make a good movie that they know is going to make a lot of money.

Because it affects you, right? Like, Eternals would have affected Chloe Zhao a lot more, except for the fact that she made Nomad Land and we know she's a badass. She won an Oscar, which insulates her from the backlash. People being like, yeah, like this movie sucks. So this guy jumping off of this film, it's probably for self-preservation.

And that's a bad fucking sign. That's a bad sign, man. For Blade, and it's also probably a bad sign for the filmmaking that's going into the MCU right now. I mean, because the thing I do think is worrying is like, we both went to D23. They didn't have any fantastic foreign news. Why? Because they had to find a new director.

Like, this is like, Dr. Strange in the multiverse of madness. Well, they introduced the director there. So they were a little bit of news. No, they did. But it was like, you can tell the process of having to find a new director, set them back, probably. You know what I'm saying? There's probably a reason why we did not see anything from Blade at D23.

They're probably like, oh, yeah, we're not doing anything. You know what I'm saying? So I do. part of me does worry in terms of like the Sprite too thin of it all where I'm just like it seems like more and more we're hearing like directors drop off writers getting shuffled all of these things

it does you know a little bit worried Who would you guys like to see Direct Blade now Who'd you guys do you guys have any names in mind Anyone? First thought I was like Let Jordan Bill directs I was like that's so dumb That's not dumb at all

That is definitely dumb I would rather have a new Jordan Bill movie Are you fucking nuts? I like Joe Bill man That would be like Jordan Peel would never do it. But if Jordan Peel directed Blades, that's motherfucker would be hidden. What do you want more in this world?

Would you rather have an original Jordan Peel movie or Jordan Peel directed Blade? I would rather want, I would rather have a Jordan Peel movie. I'd rather have Jordan Peel direct blade. I'm not going to lie. So I have a Lewis List. I'm going highbrow here, man. Okay. Barry Jenkins.

No one. No one. No. Not. Barry Jenkins, Steve McQueen. There you go. I think Steve McQueen could be great. Barry Jenkins, Steve McQueen.

None of these people would do it. No. My big sister, Ava Duvonnei. Yeah. All right, can I ask you this, man? Why do you want all these talented black directors? They could make original movies. Why do you want them to go make a play?

They're already making original movies that we love. I want to see them try. Blade. I want to see them. Why not? by Blade. Okay, and I have a wild card for my fourth pick. You led Wesley Snipes direct.

Yo. He's been directing. You let Wesley Snipes. Or you could let Spike directed, and he would do that weird floating shot that he does with Blade. You know what I mean? Like, you have Blade. Oh, my God.

A weird ending. But look, the reality, I mean, look, they have to find somebody to direct the movie. Charles, you don't have anybody you think you would want to direct Blade. I have one answer and it's time to go big fish. Come on. You know who I'm about to say,

we need Zach Snyder. Oh, gee. You got to go. All right. That's enough. We got to go. That's enough. We got to.

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Like, Obi-Wan can use that. Wait, what would you say? A chirobe crystal powers a lightsaber. Where'd you get that from? It doesn't. No. What powers a lightsaber? What is...

The crystal of Donath powers a lightsaber. not the Khyber crystal? No, it's not the Khyber crystal. Where did you get that from? I always thought it was a Khyber crystal. Yeah, I don't know why you thought that. The crystal from the Donath Mountains. And then the Khyber crystal is to give it its color.

Yeah, to give it its color. But that's not what powers the lightsaber. What are you talking about? The Donath crystal powers it. Prisle of the Donat. What do you? Wait, because it says a Khyber crystal simply known as a Khyber and described as a lightsaber.

crystal. It was used by both the Jedi and the Sith in the construction of the lightsabers as part of the Jedi training. Use in the construction to give it its color. Like Steve said, that's a power, that's a crazy notion. That's like you're out of your mind.

Lord Corner is deep now here in the look at the point. We might have to go to Wikipedia for this. I'm looking at the fandom page and it's saying a power source for light saber, super weapons and combovices. Are you guys? I'm just reading. I'm reading what... There was the whole entire Clone Wars fucking arc about it.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Hold on. Y'all don't get that me and Steve are fucking with y'all right now. I had to do the due diligence. You just don't get that. Steve, I knew me and Steve are connected. Steve jumped on. Like, I was at a heart attack.

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