The Ringer-Verse - 'Andor' Episode 5 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: October 5, 2022

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because we're cooking right now. God damn it. All right, let's get into this program. Remindersers. Thursday, Ben Lindberg is back. So break down episode 8 of She-Hulk. The question is, do you guys care? She's just said we need to be listening to these pods.

Yes, you care. I care. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. When I say, do people care? I'm not talking about Ben and the pod. I'm talking about the show itself.

Well, yes. Yes, both. Both. Both. I care. I enjoy She-Holt. The last episode, there's a lot of stuff going on. The intelligentsia,

who's been sleeping in my bed, missing with my head, taking my plays. No spoilers, but I'm into it. You guys tap back into Sheehoek. Sheeulk is great. Ben Lindberg is great. Daredevil's finally arriving,

so you guys stop complaining. Yeah, Daredevil's finally coming. You guys can stop centering mailness in everything that has to do with ladies. Friday, the House of R will be diving deep into the next episode of Rings of Power. Haven't seen one second of the show. But I'm hearing that people are enjoying it.

Is this the case? I like it. It's good. It's a good show. I fell off. I'm not gonna'all. I'm with Charles. I fell asleep one week and I was the end of that. Wow. There you go. That's not me saying it's a bad show. It's just like, House of Dragon has my heart for right now.

There you go. Saturday. Joe and I, I being Van, Lathen Jr. are going to team up to talk about the MCU Hollywood special Werewolf by Night,

and I'm not going to give anything away, but God damn it, am I fired up about that? Woo-hoo! Weirwolf by night. Woo-hoo! Werewolf by night.

I have fun, okay? We're going to be doing that on Saturday, this Sunday, of course, the Big Kahuna. Talk the Thrones is back as Chris Ryan, Mal, and Joe give you their instant reactions to the House of the Dragon right after the show. House of the Dragon, which is killing it. House of the Dragon is so good. It's messy.

It's cinema. It's real cinema. A House of the Dragon is so. I would say that through five episodes, House of the Dragons is better than the original Game of Thrones series. Through five episodes. Wow. Whoa. Through five episodes.

Man. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Fucking shit. Whoa. Hold on.

There's a discussion to be had. I think that that's, I think five episodes versus eight seasons is a pretty tall order. There is no, there is no discussion to be had. There is no discussion. Y'all are, that's not what I said. That's not what I said.

That's not what I said. What did you said? I said through five episodes. Okay. Not that it's better overall. But if you compare five episodes of five, look, this is completely divisive and stupid to do.

I get it, it's no reason. Right, no, because the other thing, this is what I'm mad about. I said, five episodes. This is what I'm mad about. They can't even get their lace fronts correct and we're already comparing it to the first season Game of Thrones.

Like, back the fuck up. Like, can we let it finish the season? Like, that's what I was in. First of all. Because the fifth one you couldn't see. That's fine. Wow. Oh, we were just high on hot.

See, Joe. Wait, no. No way. Talk about them, Joe. Get them, Joe. Get them, Joe. Because, no, here, Steve, we can see your television in the background. Yeah.

All I'm saying... Yeah, House of the Dragons on right now. All I'm saying is you don't know how to operate a television. That's what I'm learning from you right now. No, no, no. How's the Dragon's on right now? You just get to litigate this because you guys are on crack. Like, I'm like, what are you talking?

Hey, you know what? Let's do this at the end of the show then. I didn't know that I was going to... Steve, do we have a little time, a little time at the end of the show to litigate this very revolutionary idea for a revolutionary thinker, known as Van Lathen, that through the, I posit, that through the first five episodes of Game of Thrones, the first five episodes of House of the Dragon, the House of the Dragon is better. Is it a fair comparison?

No. No. Are we stupid? Yes. Yes. We'll talk about this? Absolutely. Hell yeah.

Spoiler warning today. We're giving our reactions on end. We forgot one thing on the programming a reminder. What? I prepared something for you guys. No. A little song. A little song.

Wait, I prepared it. Why not? You guys don't even know what this is going to do yet. Yes, we do, bro. We all know. Go ahead and do it, Charles. Have your moment. Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you tomorrow.

Black Adams three weeks away. Jesus, great. Are you all fired up? Why can't you guys let me have this? You got the Avi changed. You got everything. thing. You must be stopped.

At first, you know what? At first, when I saw the new Avi, I was like, mad. I'm not going to lie. I felt like, man, Charles got to get off this shit. But then you know what I thought? I thought, I'm fucking with this. Go all in, Charles. Take it all the way to the top.

Change your name to the higher care of power. Go all the way. I'll tell you what. This movie better not be mid. I heard that it's really good. But this movie better not be mid. Charles, if this movie is mid, you're done so. I'll never hear of it.

Yeah. Wait, can I just say one thing about the Abbey? I have to send a special shout out and love to my very embattled girlfriend because she was working all weekend. And I was like, hey, babe, could you log on to your computer again and make me a graphic? And she's like, fine, what is it? And when she saw the Black Adam poster, I think she kind of debated breaking home at that point. But she did. But she did, poor thing.

Poor Maria. Maria, Maria. All right. But we're talking about And her today. Ender there. Today's show, we're giving our reactions and thoughts on the fifth episode of Ander. You guys, please, Steve, run that spoiler warning for people. We're getting ready to talk about Cassian Ander. You're listening to a reaction podcast.

The spoilers are coming. Okay, to begin our reactions, as always, Charles Colbaby Chuck Holmes will give you the midnight manifest, putting you in the know on episode five of Andor. Charles, take it away. All right, welcome to Andor episode five. The Axe forgets, directed by Susanna White, written by Dan Gilroy. We start with Cyril. He's languishing at his mother's apartment, and she deduces that he has no future prospects and calls in a favor of mysterious Uncle Harlow.

Cassie, meanwhile, wakes up to Skeen going through his belongings at the behest of Vell, and Cassing recognizes Skeen's tattoos, which are from the Empire Detention Centers that they both were at as children. Nemek reveals to Cassian that he's writing a manifesto about the rebellion, but Cassian realizes that this group is poorly prepared for the upcoming task, and is still pretty rough around the edges.

When Cassian presses Bell on why they should trust Lieutenant Gorn, Vell reveals that he fell in love with a person on Aldani, and as retribution, he must pass over for a promotion and the Empire murdered his lover. Skeen steals Casson Sky, the man to know why he agreed to be part of this mission,

and that's when Cashin reveals that he's doing it for the money. Later that day, Bell forces Skeen and Cassian to make up. Then, Skeen shares that the Empire stole his brother's pepper tree farm, which led to his brother committing suicide. Meanwhile, on Coruscant, Mon Motho's a relationship with their family is falling apart,

while Lutin is nervous about the loose ends of this operation and if it will go off without a hitch. And that has been, your midnight manifest for Andor, episode five. Amazing. Lots stuff there. Okay. I really enjoyed this episode.

Super enjoyed it. Thought it was great. Turn it over to the guys. Charles, your instant reactions. From the first scene of blue milk and cereal to the last scene of Luthin, just worried as how I was worried about this episode, not because I thought it was going to be bad,

but I'm like, man, it can't, nothing, nothing can stay up forever. It has to go down. Do they have enough ideas to sustain this? Like, there's no way. And I was just again blown away by how many ideas they fit into this. We're going to talk about it later,

but just the idea of what is the manifesto for this rebellion? What do they believe in? We've never actually had a character that's thinking on that level. It's always like, blast them up. We've got to sneak into this base. We've got to destroy the Death Star, but we never really get into the nooks and crannies of like, what are the pamphlets?

What is the book? What is the thing that people are reading when they're, go to the space library to be like, you know what? Fuck this. Alien Lives Matter. I was just blown away by this episode again. You know, we talked about this in the first

episode, but these things happen in three episode arcs. And, you know, we know that a heist is coming. And this episode felt like, you know, like in every heist movie, you know, it was literally the day before. You know, like in every mission possible,

in oceans, and heat. You know, the night before everybody's like, ah, you know, our lives could change tomorrow, you know, what's going to happen? We got to be ready. And this episode, this episode did a really, really good job of showing us just how nervous and jaded and how, like, you know, this thing is they're doing a big thing tomorrow. You know, who knows what could happen when it's all said and done. But, you know, we're here. Let's get it done. I loved it.

I had a really good time. Really quick, Jomi. I just have to ask really quick. love this episode probably because this is how you felt when you were a chicken finger bandit at Vance. Were you feeling nervous the night before when you were going to run up

and steal everybody's chicken fingers? Yeah, you know, it was like a six-month mark. I had made the plans. I had the exit strategy. You know what I'm saying? A couple people were just paid to be there. Exactly. So when time came to make my exit, you know, I was all prepared.

It was a long time in the making, but I'm really glad that I executed perfectly. Well, I have you guys can remember this fondly because we were aghast. But no, to Jomi's point, the rebellion, seeing these people go through the machinations and seeing them have all the emotions, it's like they want to do what they're doing, but they don't want to be here. They wish they didn't have to. So before you do something like that, your mind starts trying to trick you out of it.

And you're looking for excuses not to do it. everybody knows that, Steve. Did you feel that way watching this episode? Oh, absolutely. Knowing that we have a heist coming in the next episode, like the term table setting, it can often be used as like a derogatory thing for like an episode for just like setting things up for the episode to come.

I think that this has probably been the best table setting I might have seen a recent memory because we get a lot of how this party is really high-strung and really burnt out for sitting here for months. wallowing over this plan, worrying about all of this stuff, getting into the machinations of why this is all important, getting into the political aspects of why we're all here, and then throwing Cassian into all of this

just by being an even more high-strung, more doubting member of it, it was incredible. And then with all of these other threads that we have coming in with the rest of it, Cyril and everybody else, I absolutely loved it. It was so well-strong, so, so-well-executed. Let's go to Cassian and the gang

and let's start with what I felt like was the most important scene here. Now, Steve has an amazing document here because Steve is obsessed with the relationship in this document between Cassian and scheme. Steve, you love this interplay. I did, I did. Imam Moss-Mack-O-Rack is almost playing the same

role here that he played in the bear. Kind of. A little less of an asshole, but... Hoking. are and not really bro. He's still kind of a dick. Come on. He's a player hater

in this though. He's exactly why he's doing that though. Like you got somebody coming in at the 11th hour. You don't know a single thing about him. He's got all these guns you don't see. He's got like nothing to say for himself as to why he's here what he believes in the cause. And every time he keeps trying to ask him like hey

what are you doing here and all that stuff? He's like I'm here to help. He's like okay. Team player. He has a reason to He has a reason to be skeptical. And the biggest reason, though, is because my man, Cassie and Dirty Mackey, he got his eyes set. That's not the biggest reason. It's very apparent, though. It was very apparent.

Was it? Well, yeah. Well, he warned him about it. And then Cassian did it anyway. You're a healer. Like, yo, you're a vocal. Yo, you dress yourself, man. Dress yourself, dog.

I mean, I think we'll get to it later. but I think like the only people who have been like nice to him have been Nemick and Sinta, right? And Nemick. Kind of Nemic. Like, not really. I mean, but Nemic was spending his whole like, you know, manifesto thing. So I can imagine, you know, Cassie's like, I'm not really trying to hear all that. Only person who doesn't give him problems when they interact is Sinter.

So he did, you know what I'm saying? No, Cassing got a problem. This is what happened with big. Are you nuts? This is what happened in since? Are you, you know, he's definitely tripped in. I don't know, man. trying to do his thing.

Oh, girl, you got a soft hand. He's a horn dog. Come on, Johnny. No, but that's okay, but then remember when they're burning the plans, right, to leave no evidence, they're passing around like a little drink. And she's just like right there,

he's just like does the customary pass thing. That's nothing. That's easy, simple. And even Vell's like, hey, man, back up, playing. What's going on? No room for error here. Phil does not want him looking at her

general direction. Because that's Val's girl. Yeah, but I mean, like, come on, man. Like, you know, we're all a team. We're supposed to be friends. You know what I'm saying? Wow. Wow.

Okay, let's move on. Jomey ain't no fun a dinner on. Until the Jomey. Wow. Jesus Christ. Jone. Oh, my goodness. Jody belongs on the Joe button in the podcast.

I don't see the problem. I don't see the problem. I want to talk about to me what was one of the most important scenes in this whole episode. You got Cathian. The Cathian. You got Cassian. You got Cassian.

Who's Cattison? You got Cassian. You got Vell. And you got Carus, I think it was. Is that his name with my brother with the AK-47? Okay. And we realize why Luton needed Cassian. as part of this group, they were not going to be able to do this without casting and or they

weren't. There were things that they were just winging it on. They didn't have some of the skills, some of the expertise. Cassian's life experience is integral, integral to this mission. He's refining them. When they're talking about the weight of the getaway vehicle and they don't know how to calculate the weight. They don't know how to get it up in the air. They were going to fucking wing it. I watched that scene three different times. And that is so brilliantly played by Diego Luda. He was like, yo, if I wasn't here, how are you going to figure it out? They're like, it had been ugly, but we had to figure it out. The look of shock on his face when he realizes this is not a manicured top level,

These are people with heart, grit, and courage that are trying to do something, but they lack a little bit of that extra shit that they need. And then once again, when they're marching, all the details that are going to make this mission and success, Cassian has those. And that's what Luther saw on him at the beginning of this. Chuck, your thoughts. Cassian is like, he's like a Chris Paul figure going to the Sons. He's injured.

He got the arm. People are you up for this? And you can tell he's coming. and in, and, like, he's looking at these youngsters, they have it. They believe in something. They believe in this thing that's larger than them. But they don't have any of the active skills to pull this off. And that's what I think is so beautiful,

is that, like, even at the end, Luton is worried because Cassian is a loose end. He's like, Vell is one, is the only one, and now he's introduced another. But I think what is so genius about Cassian's role in this episode, is he's teaching them to think about things that they are not even ready to. Like when he's like,

when Val asked him, what's the arm that everybody shoots with? Cassian's probably known that from the minute he met everyone. They're not even thinking on this level tactically. And that is what I love, especially since this is the second episode before the heist, because you know what happens in any heist movie.

Everything that could go wrong does go wrong. Absolutely. totally. And I think Cassie knows that. Right, and you keep having to learn on the fly, but they were pre-fucking up.

Yeah. Yeah, Steve, you wanted to get in there? I can tell you're chopping at the bit. No, yeah, no, it's exactly right. Cassian, like, it proves why he was such a, like, high-level operator in Rogue One because he's absolutely dunking

on everybody in this operation now. He thinks about everything, and, like, even when it comes to, like, the old technology that they're using the trackers that they're having and then the old comms that they're having. They argue that it works better, but he can't quite figure out why they would actively choose to use something old if he knows that it could work better. Every time that he's using something as instruction or the fact that they should

switch sides, knowing everybody's left hand, people automatically take that as distrustful. They treat him as somebody that's not to be exactly understood because nobody thinks like that. And when it comes to him revealing why he's there for the most part, it makes entire sense to them, but it also feels like an affront to why everybody else is there in the first place, knowing that all that they have to think about is the cause. All they have to think about is why they're there. Cassian has another way of looking at all of this because he's like, okay, you need to be here. If you want to stay here, get out alive, which is why my favorite interaction is with him and Skeen, where he's like, my goal is to get out of here alive and win. And he's

like, well, wouldn't that be great? There are all. already set up to fail. They already think that they'll probably die doing this. They just hope that they'll get it right. They're rushing out to be martyrs when he doesn't want to be a martyr at all. When he wants his mission accomplishment, Jomey, that's very, very important that he sees it that way because that's really how this is going to be successful. You can only have one rogue one where you die in the mission. Other than that, you need to be successful and be alive in some of these missions to actually have a functioning rebellion. That's true.

You only get to die once. I think, and Steve was touching on this, the stress point is that, for the most part, everybody else knows why they're here. They all have a common goal, right? The reason we want to destroy the empire because, you know, Skeen is like, they killed my brother, you know?

And Nemek's like, you see all these atrocities, man. Like, how much can we stand? Even, we'll talk about Lieutenant Gorn. story a little bit later about why he's involved. They don't know why Cassian is involved. I've got no idea. How can you trust somebody to die for this rebellion if you don't know why they're here? You know?

And so it's such, it's such like an interesting thought experiment. You know, we're all here. Like, you know, we're all in a group. Da-da-da. What are your motives? You don't go rob the empire for fun. That's not something you do. You don't just do that on a holiday.

You know what I'm saying? And so for the episode to touch on that and have that be the central, you know, the central sticking point in that group, just, you know, was just a genius choice. Just well done. What I think is actually genius about this episode is what is it called?

It's called the axe forgets. Because Skeen says the axe forgets, but the tree remembers. What is an axe? That's the empire. The axe is a tool. The tree is nature. Nemek says later, we've grown reliant on imperial tech and made ourselves vulnerable.

There's a grown list of things we've known and forgotten, things they pushed us to forget, things like freedom. So when Skeen is talking about his brother, having those pepper trees, you know, it's a symbol of freedom is something that we're all innately born with. we're free. Society, the empire, all of these things, chain us, imprison us. And everybody here knows deep down emotionally that they should be free. They know deep down that something is not right with the galaxy. That's all that they can really, really cling on. And this episode is interrogating so much, how do you get people that intrinsically know that something is wrong to learn what it is to point that out, to be like, okay, this is actually what we're fighting for.

It's not something nebulous. That's why Nebik wants to write it down because everything they're fighting right for is nebulous. Skeen can't even really tell Cassian what his emotion is about the empire driving his brother to suicide. He can't pinpoint it, but that's the only thing that he has left.

And I think what's so genius about this episode is it's trying to show us as viewers, all of these people, all of this little empire, their trees, they should be able to grow. Aldani, these people, they should be able to grow. Freedom is the one thing humans are born with that is immediately taken away from you.

And what I love about this episode is it's interrogating, how do you learn to recognize that? And how do you learn to take action upon that? And that's what Nebuch is trying to do with his manifesto. Charles Holmes. Candidate for president in the Libertarian Party.

Charles Libertarian Holmes. I never thought. I never thought it. Charles, I don't want to wear my seat belt. Holmes. I'm just joking. That's actually really well said, really well said.

Skeen to me represent something really powerful in the episode. Skeen represents skepticism. but healthy skepticism. The skepticism that you need, like, remember one time I was going to fight this dude, right? It's 10th grade, never forget this.

And I was, like, it was, you know, first period, second period. It was the whole fucking sitcom archetype to where you had all day to think about this. Oh, after school. Yeah, you had all. Bleachers. Yeah. No, no, no, no. This is going to be a football practice, though, because we play, we play football.

football. So it was a whole time and it was like, damn, I remember six period. I'm like, damn, do you really want to do this? This could be bad. This dude is a senior. You know what I mean? Like, this guy's big. Like, this could be bad. And then the healthy skepticism that you need to think of a plan. I was like, all right, straight up. I'm going to go for the throat. That's what dad always told me to do. I'm a punch him, but not in his face in his throat. I'm a punch him dead in his throat, try to incapacitate him, get on him, dog him a couple times, and then they'll break it up. I tried to punch him in his throat, and I got him on the chin, and he went to sleep.

And I tried to punch him in his throat. I got him on the chin, and I never forget, like, I broke my hand, too. I never forget that he was like, and he went to sleep, and I was thinking, damn, that's who Skeen ends to me. He's a throat puncher. And he's, I'm being serious. He's a throat puncher. What he's trying to do is to make sure that they can have as vital an attack and hit as vital a target in the empire as possible.

And he's talking to himself by talking to Cassian. He's making sure that Cassian is as ready for this as he needs to be. And he's scared, scared just like I was because you can take all of that scary sort of energy and turn it into a really effective attack. but you have to litigate it. And his conversation with Cassian is that. The fact that he's trying to figure out, he's trying to weasel his way out of it, he's trying to lose his nerve,

but they become even stronger because Andor is that other side that goes, hey, we got to do this. I know you don't want to, but there's no turning back now. You didn't talk to all the shit. You didn't told everybody, you're not scared of this guy.

And he just said, oh, you're not scared of me. Okay, bet, fight. We're fighting it. Like, I'm running to you. what we used to say in Louisiana. I'm going to run into you after the thing. Okay, if you're not scared of me, I'm going to run into you after school. Football practice, I'm going to run into you.

And so I watched them go through that, and it was such a powerful scene. You guys, I want you, as you said, we talk about table setting. This episode, nothing happens. This is a series of really amazing conversations that ended up being one of the best episodes of Star Wars TV I've seen. Yes. It seems like this show is operating at such a high fucking level, man. I want to ask you this. You call Skeen skeptical.

I really think what he is, besides being skeptical because he is, is jealous because what's the first thing that we learn about? Interesting. Is that when he's rummaging through Cassian's belongings, the only person that recognizes the tattoos

is Cassian. I think what Skeen is really worried about is that Cassian is a reflection of him. They both were locked up as children by the empire, both of them lost siblings. One, a brother, Cassian, was he doing in the first episode? He's looking for his sister. Both of them lost nature with, what's his, canari is the planet?

Canari gets destroyed. The pepper tree farm that Skeen's brother is on gets overtaken by the empire. What I think this episode is actually doing is Skeen realizes like Cassian is a better version of me, or at least he's a version that's more prepared for this fight. I'm scared, and for some reason Cassian is not. And I think that worries him. He's just like,

why can't I be like him? We both come from the same place. The empire is taken equally from both of us, and that's what I think he's like, but fuck, why am I like this? Why am I the coward of the group? And why is Cassian so ready? But I think that's what makes

him, and you guys can jump in, men, boys, but I think that's what makes him skeptical of Cassian. Cassian isn't scared, I think, because his entire mission is self-preservation. He doesn't really have time for it. He's just trying to figure out a way out. And I think they're scared because they're pretty sure they're going to die. So, you know what I mean? Like, they want to survive, but there's so much uncertainty with them. I think that, I mean, I could be wrong, but I think, I think it's Cassin's disposition bothers him because he's so stoic. Am I wrong about that?

No, and it's perfectly illustrated when we get to the confrontation between him and skiing when he takes the Khyber crystal because, like, he can tell that everybody's afraid, but he also knows the difference between fear and losing your nerve. And he knows that the group's dangerously close to that. Yeah. And if all of it takes is to just know why he's actually here for everybody to just be like, kind of cool, then he'll say it. But for the fact that he's like supposed to lie, supposed to not be like,

act like everybody else. It's a ruse that's untenable. Even Luthin, like, kind of called the wrong play there. If he'd have done that from the start, maybe things would have been a little bit more cooler. If, you know, everybody was up front about why he was here in the first place, maybe that would have gone a little differently. But instead, they decide to, like, try to play it underneath the table. They try to play it like, you know, everybody's on the same playing field,

when easily Skeen knows that he's not. Clearly, this guy's an operator. This guy's, like, a cut above everybody else here, and he doesn't know why. You got to remember, the episode opens with Skeen going through Cassie and stuff, right? That's how they got the conversations, but the tattoos, whatever. And then again, there's another thing at the camp where he's like, hey, man, stop going through my things. What's going on? So, Skeen knows that, all right, this guy's hiding something.

Like, whatever, he's protecting something. He's got something that he's hiding. What is it? And it's not until they're up on that, of that. and he like sees him falling in his neck. He's like, ah, got him. We got him. And he takes out the chiber crystal, you know?

And he's like, this expensive thing, you have money. We're all here broke. No prospects, no nothing. You know what I'm saying? We're doing this because we have to. Why are you with money? You could, you know, sell that, get, you know, how many of units and go anywhere. Why are you here?

You know, you don't have to be here. we don't have anything to lose. You have some semblance of money. You don't have to be here. And I think, I mean, that's clearly the central issue. And that's like twice Keene doesn't understand, casting. Because he's like, bro, my brother died. I've got nothing to give except my life to this cause.

You can run away. Why should I trust you? Why are you here? Did you think that the money thing was a little bit misplaced? Let me ask you this guy. because I don't think that any of these people are doing this because they're poor. They're doing it because of animus that they have towards the empire. So why would the fact that he had, I was wondering about that.

I wonder if you guys can give me a little clarity. Jomi just did a good job of it. I wanted to see what you guys thought. Charles, like, why would him having a chrystal that was worth 30 or 50,000 credits make him not want to destroy the empire if destroying the empire was what was in his soul? because I think we have to go back to Nemek being so, so excited to show Cassian his manifesto because he realizes he's like, oh, I have one, somebody who just does not believe in this. Like Nemek is actually pretty smart.

He realizes from the moment he's just like, yo, Cassian don't believe in shit. Like he does, like, he is not here for any cause. He's here for himself. I can preach to him. I can give him the gospel. And that's actually what I think scares them, which is just like there's not like Cassian has like a few screws loose they're like dog why the fuck would you be here if you don't believe in some higher power if you don't believe

in some reason that's larger than yourself because even Cassian kind of knows he keeps me like bro your motherfucker is not going to get me killed and I think it scares everybody in the camping like whoa we're ready to die why is it this motherfucker ready It's a good question What the fuck? Why are you scared? Look, we gotta move on Because there's a question

That Steve put in the document And we have to do it We have to do some midnight pronosticating real quick Who's gonna make it out of the job alive? Man, let me tell you something. Watching the episode? We had a small, we had a couple of people that were candidates.

I've almost got none. Oh, dude. I'm almost got none. Nemik is going to die the hardest saddest death I've ever seen in my entire life. Oh, Nebuch. Cassian is obviously coming back, but like who is actually coming back?

Does Skeen die? Yeah. Yeah, Skeen is gone. Skeen's gone. I think Cassian is going to take Nemek's notebook or manifesto, and that's actually in the next three episodes, what is going to give him the power to be like, what am I actually fighting for?

Right. Boy, Nemek is toast. Sinta is crispy. She's out of here. I say only to survive. I say Vell and Cassian survive. Yeah. I would see that.

I see that. I only see Kaz and Cassian surviving. Interesting. Yeah. Wait, so, but we're all in agreement that no more than two people are leaving this. Yeah. It's very, very safe. No one is getting out there.

And look, let me go to manifesto. You guys have to understand. Manifestos are touching. go. I'm saying that a manifesto is all about the manifeste. Because most times you hear the term

manifesto, not good. Uh-uh. I'll just say, like, the head rate on a manifesto is very low. It's very low. Most times, by the time you hear manifesto, something pretty fuck has happened.

So it's like, it's The manifesto, not good. So when they first said that he was writing a manifesto, I was like, I don't want to call it like a journal or a constitution. Like a rule book, a declaration of independence. I'm writing a bill of rights right here. Not that those always work out for everybody either

because slavery. But what I'm saying is a manifesto is like, God damn, like those are, those get written in bunkers. Yeah, the brand's been spoiled on those. But to be fair to Nemic, I think the thing that is, is actually sad, is that we're at a place where the rebellion is still so new and is still so fragile that it takes a child. Like, this is a child with so much idealism.

He is not like Cassian. He's not like Luton. Just that part of him hasn't been beaten out yet by the system. So, of course, it's going to be the kid. She's like, I can dream of a better future. That's why when the minute he said it, I'm like, man, you're going to be the first motherfucker to go. The dead flags there for sure.

Before we move on from this, though, we didn't talk about Lieutenant Gorn. I got two things. One, he's well-dressed. He looks good. It looks good. Plays the part. Even got the homies to be like,

ah, you guys want to see the eye tomorrow. Okay. You know, we'll let this place go light, you know, conveniently where all the money is, you know. His story about falling in love and losing promotion is tough. You know, it's, it's, it's tough. I don't know the goddamn shit. It's like, you guys, yeah, you see, fishy?

I didn't think it was fishy. It doesn't, it's not fishy. If there's going to be one traitor in the group, let's just say like this red herring in there. Why would it be? That's too obvious. I don't know. Here's the thing.

I think of all the people that we've learned about intimately and the all, everybody else has told their story personally, we haven't heard what Gorn's actual story is. We've, we've heard, we've got hearsay. And he's like, okay, so he lost out on a promotion because he fell in love. So fuck the empire. I mean, but the empire did kill his shoddy. So there's one thing that I think is important.

I do think that Gorn, the story is true. Because if you look at his face when he's talking to that private, who's like, I can smell the Aldani. He's like, he wrinkles. He's just like, fuck this dude. But I think it is interesting that he, He lost out on two things. Not only did the empire murder his lover, but he lost out on a promotion.

So we have to ask ourselves, what's more important to Gorn, for revenge against the empire, or now taking a higher seat? Because obviously that promotion meant a lot for him, for somebody to have to bring it up. Or that he's just stuck on this, like, you know, shitty planet, just like doing this shit, where he had, like, bigger ambitions. Or he's inside the empire. and he knows more than anybody. Oh yeah, he's got the dirt.

It was a little Pocahontasy, though. His story a little bit. I was just like, oof. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Tramphaya offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start.

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Remember I prognosticated that his mom would like feed him his favorite food? Remember I said that? I don't know if that's his favorite. He wasn't exactly like, oh, yay, I'm about to dig in this. Finn gets a point on the board. He does absolutely. I don't know.

I don't know, because it wasn't clear, but I just knew that there would be a scene where his mom was like, if his mom, making food for him, I've seen this so many times, even the fact that he pushes it away and he doesn't really want it. I read that different.

He super doesn't want to be there. He doesn't want to be there at all. Also, she's babying him because she's feeding him cereal. She's putting the screws to him as well, like the moment that he comes on the sky. Do you guys have any parents in your life like Cyril's mom? Man. Oh my dog.

I won't call anybody out, but like this, this felt real true to life. What you mean you won't call anybody out? You got two fucking parents. I know, but like, say you fall on hard times and you come back home, you boomerang for a second. And man, like, you already feel bad enough about yourself, but you really don't need somebody in your ear telling you, like, what are your next prospects when you're getting another job, when you're going to do this? Like, this is tough. And it, like, it really is indicative of how Cyril has. kind of like presented himself in the three episodes prior.

You could tell what kind of home he comes from because of what we just saw. And like it was, it was profound what we saw. Man, this gave me war flashbacks to when I graduated grad school. Right? Come out,

you know, graduate, you know, do the whole thing. Come back home. It's like, all right, cool.

It's great having you for a weekend. When's that job coming, pal? You guys start making this money. It's not really. looking like it's supposed to look, you know? And that's, I mean, it felt like he was just there like two days already. Like a weekend.

Like, yeah. His mom, like, he just got there. Mom, like, hey, you're not going to sit around here and just sit here for free. You got to get here and make some money. You're not just going to lay here. I was like, dang, bro. I feel that. Man, same.

Jummy, I feel you so much because in college I had to move in my uncle. There was six motherfuckers living in that house. Summer, I think it was. I think it was either like sophomore junior year or college. I'm the only motherfucker with a job. I'm going to unpack boxes at Old Navy at 5 a.m. And then I'm going to fucking be a waiter at Applebee's. And I'll never forget.

Nobody else has a job in the house. My uncle looks at me. He's like, yeah, so when are you going to get a real job? I'm like, motherfucker. I'm the only one in here. I don't know what you're talking about. Realize that was the last time I ever went home. He's just like, yeah, what's your future prospects?

I'm like, bro, it's junior year of college. I need you to relax. Yeah. Yeah. I remember God rest of soul My dad My dad walked in the house one day And it was always his situation

To where He would walk in the house And be ringing wet with sweat Because he My dad was a My dad was like a hands-on type of boss So he was He owned a construction company

But Oh damn you got money like that? Nah It's a financial situation His heart But like he owned a construction company but he would get out there and work because he wanted to be a part of the guys.

He'd come in and wringing wet with sweat and he looked at me. He'd just be like, look at you flopped around. You're a flopper. You're going to turn this whole house into a flop house. Get your ass up and do something. And so I started making sure

that I stayed working and stayed with a job. So I would never have to run into him and hear the flop house narrative. Cyril right now is flopping. I'm flopping in a flop house. Give him a day to figure it out. He's looking up at the window.

He's missing the empire. He wants to be, he wants to be on a better path. Wait, but I got to, I got to ask you this. What makes it worse, though,

is the Uncle Harlow of it all. Because you ever been in a situation where like your parents, somebody, like a father, mother figure, like, all right,

I'm calling in our car, I'm calling in the favor from the family. And when you're like, I'm, Thanksgiving, Christmas, I'm never going to hear the end of it.

So don't call that motherfucker. Like, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to be indebted to this motherfucker. Do not make any calls. Well, actually, all my uncles is in jail, so I never, they couldn't be going to say. Charles, bro, let me tell you, man, again, graduate. My parents are trying to find me work.

They're like, hey, man, your uncle's or so-and-so, he worked at Boeing, man. We get you plugged in, you feel me? Oh, yeah, I should work at Spectrum. You're trying to, I was like, dog, I just want to tweet about sports, bro. Just let me live. Wait, did you just be like, bro, if you don't get off your phone and go and go to fuck his spectrum, like, you're out of the house. Dog, that goes down too much.

What do we think the family favor was? What do we think this is? Is this a job with the empire that Cyril just got to say? No, there's a job with the empire. That's what I took it. For sure. I think, I think it's definitely a pride thing.

He does not want to take this. And I think this is going to be like a desk job that he's not going to be like the boots on the ground. He's not going to be, he's going to be do nothing. He's going to be sat there just like ticking boxes, getting copy. Some, that he is like beneath him. And he's not going to do that.

And I think he's definitely setting himself up to like, maybe go rogue, kind of like figure out like, again, like I still think he's on the war path to interacting with, oh my goodness, with Debra, yes. Yeah. To interacting with her because like,

he needs just somebody outside of the system to know that like I've got like a thirst for Cassian that like I've got to get this guy. You don't think this was an ISB thing? I think that's where he's going. I think he's going to find his one. I thought he's going to ISB. Hmm. And then I think she'll see him and be like, you know what?

you're better than this. You're better than the job. She's so intuitive. Yes. She's so intuitive that she is going to be able to suss out somebody that has that type of bloodthirst for Cassing and or and for the rebellion. They're on a crash course. One of the more interesting narrative threads in the show is how they get to meet each other. Mom Mothma.

She's a prisoner. She's a, mom, Mom Mothma is a prisoner in her own home. Her daughter's a flake. Her husband's an even bigger flake. They seem to be so comfortable and so complacent with the life that her status has granted them, that they can't even see how miserable she is. I am now wondering, though, there was no daughter when we talked about Ma Mothma in the last episode. But now there's a daughter.

So the Ma Mothma I know, I'm not aware of how much family she has. what's going to happen to these people? Like what is going to happen to the family of Mon Mothma? Like who is her husband? What is her husband? Is she going to have to lose her family to gain a rebellion?

They totally sound her out. Once I saw the daughter, I'm like, you ain't built for this life. Like, I can already tell you two, you two used to the glitz and the glamour. First time the empire comes knocking on the door, I guarantee you it's going to be her pointing, being like, go get her.

She's a traitor. she's not even going to look up from her Xbox when the police come. Y'all, wait, y'all, y'all thought that, y'all saw the daughter and thought she was built for this life for this rebellion. No, but you know, that's your mom. She's supposed to have a level of, you know.

You know how white people are with their moms? Steve. That's, whoa. That was a rude ass, right? You don't need to do that at all. You don't need to do that at all. Wait, well, Dan and Jomey didn't say nothing.

They looked in there. It's like, yeah. Listen. Look, look, I'll let you and Steve work that out. Yeah, that's between YouTube. I was, I'm just here. Steve grabbed you by the throat or when you sound all distorted on the pod, you forget.

Talking to the architect right now, Steve gets off this, he turns, he gets in his Colonel Sanders uniform from the name. I'll make it sound like an EWalk all pod. No, he's taking out all that shit. I'm like, yo, Steve, take this out of the pot. And he's like, we have a special episode. Oh, fuck the shit. It's going to be so, it's going to be, okay, we're getting rid of deep

Shadow Protocol, but just for Charles. Yes. Everything you ever said. This episode will be Charles's manifesto. Fuck, fuck. What's the idea you want? That's Oz right there. I'm not sure if Star Wars is going to do the death of Mom Mothema's daughter.

I'm not sure. But it's obvious that what they're doing is they're sort of showing a contrast between something that she's incredibly passionate about, something that she's incredibly invested into, which is the rebellion. It's something that's really invested into her and needs her, which is the rebellion. needs Mom Mossma desperately and a family that seems to not a family that seems to

that seems like they could either take her or leave her. They straight up don't respect her. They don't respect her. So it's almost paving the way for Mom Mothma to get a new family. And of course we know eventually that family will be the Rebel Alliance. Luthen!

Not a lot of Luton here. No Biggs. They plan on us. with Bix. All right. I need it. Come on. I mean,

I think Bix has played her part for the moment. Yeah. You know, we will get Bix one. What are you got against Steve? Damn.

Nothing against Bix. She's going through some hard times right now. Yeah, well, I'm going through some hard times too by not seeing her. So bring it back from the show.

She did go back to Ferrix. So, you know, for a second there. We need a, we need a, some type of button for like, chill,

you too horny. Relax. That's not, that's not, wait a minute. Why is that going to be, You know what? Everything that you guys do is so heteronormative.

Van just heard what that word meant last week. Every time we're like, hey, man, I don't know. He's like, hey, guys. He's shelving us. You are. You are. It's okay. Oh, man.

All right. So, Luthan, just real quick. We'll touch on Luton. He's worried. I felt like what he was going through. in the back of his shop, is very tied to what we see the rebels that are about to hit the empire's money where it hurts, Cassian and the crew, Vell and the crew, Vell is the leader. I think it's showing just how tense things are right now with this op and just how major it is and how much they feel like it means to what it is that they're trying to do. And I thought that that scene was very good

in describing that there's a Luton who's the guy that we've seen has had so much power. There's still a powerlessness that he feels by being so far away from the operation. Also, I didn't realize his assistant was, like, from last episode, you could say like, oh, she's just a throwaway character. But there was that sprinkle of her knowing

that she needs to distract Mon Motho's driver. And it's so brilliant in this episode. that we get to see, no, she's actually Luthin's partner. She knows everything that he knows. She's just like, she's actually the one who's like, you need to chill. You're two in your head. It's either going to work or it's not. Go to bed.

And I love the fact that like in lesser hands, she would have been a throwaway character. And in this, they're like, no, every single character you see on screen is there for a reason and important. Absolutely. Absolutely. Got to remember what does she say too? She says, well, they can track back to us, you know. That's the only one they can trace back. Who's Vell?

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I think there's no discussion to be had. All right. What's the conversation? Okay, so we're through, and this is just bullshit to talk about, guys. It's just a cut. Don't get all mad. Hey, George, Martin.

Don't get mad. Through five episodes of House of the Dragon, are we not? Five episodes of House of the Dragon, we got a lot of shit happening. And I'm not saying that there wasn't a lot of shit happening in the first five episodes of Game of Thrones because it was. But maybe it's because the original Game of Thrones has been a incredible primer for House of the Dragon. As far as I'm concerned, the first five episodes of House of the Dragon. Wait, seven.

I just checked it, seven. It's been seven episodes of House of the Dragon? Yep. Let's take it out to seven. The first seven episodes of House of the Dragon to me are at least as good, if not better, than the first seven episodes of Game of Thrones through seven episodes, through seven. I'll only say this. I'm looking at the episode list right now for Season 1 of Game of Thrones.

We keep forgetting how many characters are in Game of Thrones season one. Like, not only do we have the entire Star-clan. We've got DeNaris. We've got, like, so, like, there's so many other things that, like, the House of the Dragon is doing so insularly with a handful of characters. Because we're so focused on this, like, very big, quick stretch of time of, like, jumping from, like, their 13 to, like, like, Rainer is 13. Now she's, like, 23. And we've got to, like, do all of that in seven episodes just to get the table setting of, there's that word again, like, of what we're kind of, like, rushing to. towards near the end of this first season.

Get to the point, Steve. I think that the fact that they have so many smaller characters or so many few characters on the board at this point, they have a lot more to do with them. And they have a lot more time to jump across. I think that helps it in its favor. So what? That's what I'm saying.

Like, it's an unfair comparison, but I would agree that you are more invested. There's a, no, because this is a wow comparison because House of the Dragon, if we're going to be real, because of all the time skips, because of all of the actors that they have to switch out.

Like we are on, for some characters, the third incarnation, fourth incarnation of this character. Like, I felt like for the first time, House of the Dragon last episode was like, all right, this is what the show is.

Everything else is like, dream. No. Bro, there are a way, there are way too many, there are way too many points in those early episodes

where I'm like, okay, I kind of see where you're going, but this show is still in the shadow of Game of Thrones. So like, hey. Now, you're out of your, you're out of your show. It's only a little disorienting

when like the next episode that we see is like five years ago as opposed to like the next day. Or even like, I'm going to be real. There are things that are happening in House of the Dragon where I'm like, hey, the original Game of Thrones,

the way it was paced, we got to care about these characters. Because they're doing so many time jumps, I'm like, bro, what am I supposed to, like,

what the fuck am I supposed to feel about crab feeder? What am I supposed to, the fuck I'm supposed to feel about this woman being burned to Chris by her

dragon? We've literally only seen her on screen for collectively 15 minutes. Emotionally, this shit don't make any sense.

And I like where House of the Dragon is going, but comparing it to Game of Thrones being like, yeah, it's all right, it's these seven episodes

are already as good as the first season. Bro, nah, man. You wiling. You wiling. No. Here's the deal.

First of all, if you can't connect to the House of the Dragon, then you can't connect to House of the Dragon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you can't connect to that's fine. When there's three or four actors within the span of seven episodes. Can I? Can I? Okay.

I'm just, right. All right. All right. Wake up, Mr. West. No way you just said that. Whoa. There's no way you just said that. Wake up.

Wake up. Wait, wait. Don't put me in this. I feel your bluster. Come on. Charles is going to pop up in a White Lives Matter t-shirt next. You're putting right on everybody. You're testy to a, man.

You're test-eated a, man. No, Charles, I see your point. I'd be honest with you, I think House's track is amazing. Like, I think. I like the show. Whoa, here, let's just say this. Before people jump on me, I like the show a lot. What I'm saying is, it's getting off to me to a more consequential start than Game

of Thrones. And that's just because the subject, the source material, It's so different. To your point, it does have some advantages. I was into Game of Thrones at this point, but I was still sussing out who was who, who mattered, what we're doing, what the way. And this is just an easier story to tell.

The time jumps are not bothering me at all. How are they bought? What were you going to, like, are we going to be here for like seven years watching Renera and Allison grow up? And we got a, dang, it's 2035. Wow, they finally grown up. Shout out Talk the Thrones, which I'm loving. But like when I listen to them, I do agree that like there are parts in House of the Dragon where I'm like,

they kind of yada yada a lot of stuff to the point where I'm just like, what do the dragons mean in this world? Who has what dragon? What are the relationships to them? Because they have so much table setting to get to what is going to be the present day story. I'm like, what am I supposed to feel for a lot of these characters? because we just don't get enough time to live with them. We don't get enough time to really, really dig in because the minute you see old homeboy,

who's the biological father of Renearest kids, they're like, all right, he's burnt to a crisp. I'm like, all right, why the fuck would I care? Like he was on screen for collectively, like 10 minutes. Why the fuck do I care? The old Game of Thrones, you lived with them for seasons so that when they're like, all right, they're done, you're like, oh, fuck.

Like, it hurt. And I don't, how so the dragon has not learned that yet, Lesson yet. Nobody got time for all that, bro. I ain't a lot of it. Nobody got time for all that. Wait, y'all ain't,

y'all ain't real TV watchers. What can I say? We ain't real, we ain't real TV watches. Is that what you're saying? You ain't real TV watches. Y'all ain't in the, y'all ain't in the,

have you ever watched? Titans. It's coming back in November, bruh. You're coming back. You call it. You're saying, you're saying,

you're saying, you're saying, run them numbers up because one day that shit's just going going to be on the service and the next day they, we need the tax credits. You know what, Charles, you're talking all of this shit

and you got yourself photoshopped on top of Black Adam's body on Twitter. You're like, you're like, nothing that you say even matters. The hierarchy of power is about to shape. Y'all, whoa, whoa, whoa. If I got to be real, this is about where I'm talking my shit. Y'all better get on this black Adam train

because if y'all want your little shows, if y'all want Titans, WV, HBO Mexicans, that shit. So you don't bet jump on this. It's true, man. One thing before we go, though, and I think we didn't talk about this. And this is something that's been like,

Like, you know, as soon as I saw it last night on the episode of Andor was just like, waning my heart and I couldn't wait to talk about this. So you guys remember that conversation with Lieutenant Gorn on the bridge. Yes. And he's talking to, you know, the guy just like, you know, thinking about seeing the landscape and all that. You know who that guy was played by. Guys played by a man named Nick Blood, who coincidentally played Lance on Aces and Shield. Ains and Shield agenda lives all the baby.

Let's wrap it up. Let's wrap this fucking episode up. Yeah, it's crazy. That's a wrap, guys. Thursday, Ben Lindberg returns to breakdown episode 8 of She-Hulk. Check in with Ben. Checking with the show. Friday, the House of Art will be deep diving

into the next episode of Rings of Power. Can't name one character. Saturday, Joe and I team up to talk about the MCU special Werewolf by Night. Oh, my God. Oh my God. You're a werewolf.

Look at that werewolf. I loved this situation. I can't wait. You guys are going to be a lot of fun. The Sunday Top to Thrones is back. It's Chris Ryan. Mal and Joe give you their instant reactions. The House of the Dragon right after the show.

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I enjoyed it. Our producer, Steve, the architect, Holman. Jomi, a dinner round on social media. Hashtag Jomi the Homie Hopper. That's not even, that's first of all, that's not a clever. That's not funny. And frankly, we need to have a discussion about these names. No, you said that in this episode.

What do you mean? I didn't say anything, but I... We're all a team. You said we're all a team. You say we're all the team. You can't be friendly with the homie? You can't be like, hey, man. We know what you meant?

Snoop Dog. What are you talking about? We know what you meant? No, bro. Listen, maybe I've seen a difference. Snoopy, doggy! He was just being nice. Yeah, whatever.

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When I watched that, when I saw the cereal, my mind immediately went, do you think, like, whoever, like, was designing this was like, I'm going to have Disney create an entirely new cereal or an intern had to pluck out crunch berries? It looks like oops all berries, what he's eating. Yes, it looks like crunched all berries. Yeah.

It looks like what? Captain Crunch, oops, all berries. Well, like, have you seen the berry, Captain? All berries? Do you know what Barry Crunch is? With the Captain Crunch with the berries in it?

I know Crunch Berries. They have one that's just the berries. This is Captain Crunch with just the berries. How have you not known about this? Are you serious? Does you discover this for the first time? I'm going to be honest with you guys. This might be a generational thing.

I remember oops all berries might have come out when I was out of my crunch berries. I came out when I was a kid. Upsaw Berries, yeah. You don't go through the cereal aisle and see some Upsaw berries there? Bro, bro, look, I've been too old for the cereal aisle for years. I've never seen Ups Aubaries. You've got to come back. You got to come back.

You're going to see some wild shit in the cereal aisle now. I used to, everybody hates on Captain Crunch. I loved Captain Crunch, bro. He hates on Captain Crunch. Oh, people who hate on Captain Crunch. People would be like Captain Crunch is scratch your mouth and blah, blah, blah. Tear of the roof for your mouth. Exactly.

Yeah, tear up the roof of your mouth. Evolution would have killed those people. Captain Crunch is the shit. I like Captain Crunch. Crunch berries were great. I never had oops all berries, man. All right. Wait, so this is obviously going at the end of the episode. I have to ask, though. Everybody really quick, top three cereals go.

Okay. Top three cereals. Raisin nut brand, which I love. Okay. Bullshit. Boom. Boom. Bring out your A&Brand. It's great, bro.

Fuck you guys. I used to eat raisins. No, this is valid. is valid. It's not valid. It is. I used to eat Raisin Nut Brand as a kid. That's a little of an old man. This explains a lot. It's a resin nut brand as a kid. Number one, what's your

two and three? Fruity Pebbles. I love. Really? That gets soggy so fast. Do you remember the rap? I'm for, I'm for some of them here to say, I love fruity pebbles in a major way. Jesus Christ.

And number three for me, what would number three be? I'm going to throw out Captain Crunch, even though I love that. Oh, number three is going to be Cinnamon Toast Crunch, baby. All right, all right, Jomey. Where are we at? The gourmand on this? All right. Number three, Coco Puffs.

Got a slight disgusting. Y'all my hot. Disgusting. No. Missing out. So dry. Missing out. You could leave that in the milk overnight.

I don't like any chocolate-flavored cereal. That's fair. Co-sign. All right. Number two, Jomi. Two Lucky Charms. I think a fan of the marshmallows. It's disgusting, too.

Lucky Charms is amazing. What are you talking about? Bro, you eat cereal of raisins. I don't want to hear nothing from you. You don't get to say. Raisin nutbrand has the little city. They're coated. I don't want to hear.

No. Raisin nut brand is better than fucking. Raisin nut brand is better than Lucky Charms sucks. Go ahead, Johnny. At number one, the goat. Come on. Have some respect for your number one, your ruler, top dog. CT Crunch, baby? Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

Cinnamon Toast Crunch got the black community on live. That's right. All right, yo, Steve. Man, no particular order here. Cinnamon Toast Crunch, it is there. It, like, it is seriously there. I had Reese's puffs as a kid. Like crazy.

But you don't like Cocoa Puffs? That's Chris. Puffs are way better than CocaC. Reese's Puffs way better. I never had that before. This is all past my era. Rees's puffs is good. Reces puffs, Reese's puffs.

Pizza butter, chocolate flavor. Hey. And then underrated cinnamon life. Man, see, that's a joint. That's a Joy in LaForge, bro. That's a Johnny LaForge, bro. That's a Joyne LaForge, talking from Raisin Man,

Brofeed? Come on. It's a canvas. You put the bananas in. I guarantee you right now. No way. I guarantee you right now, Raisin Nut brand,

people are going to love the Raisin Nut brand choice. That right there was a, was a Jordan LaForge. That's a journey for my pandering to for cinnamon life. No, we got it. I'm going to go. And then we need to let the midnight mob and midnight writers fucking vote on this shit. I'm going number one cinnamon toast crunch overall.

Number two, we're going fruity pebbles. Number three, Jomey, I rock with you. We're going fucking Lucky Charms. Let's go. Come on. Lucky Charms is amazing. I don't want to hear anything from Mr. Life and Mr. Raisin. By the way, by the, it's not Raisin Brands.

See, y'all don't know what you're talking about. I'm talking about raising nut brand. Raising nut brand. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Raising nut brand is dope. I'll tell you all something else. You know what else is underrated?

If I really want to be an old man, just special K, baby. Oh, let's get back to this show. Van is old. Yeah, I'm old, but I'll be regular, though. The rest of you guys are going to walk around all backed up. I'm going to feel. And area on my feet, that's fine. Van about to be like, have y'all ever heard of some Kashi cereal?

Kashi is, Jesus Christ. Not going to lie, bro. Kashi is kind of, never mind. I'm not even going to go. All that. Okay, let's get back on track. That's definitely post-grid. What's the difference between butter and butter made from real California dairy?

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