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Episode Date: October 19, 2022

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Reminders! Friday in the House of Rour will start their deep dives into Andor. Those Johnny come lately. I mean, they've been a little busy. Yeah. So what? They've only been like burning it at both ends for Lord of the Rings. They're on a block now.

Okay. Joe, Mal, they're on our block. Mal who's now a huge celebrity, right? Big New York Times. New York Times. Sunday Talkin Thrones is back again. It's Chris Ryan, Mal and Joe, give you their instant reactions to The House of the Dragon.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, right after the episode is done. I cannot wait for this Sunday, the House of the Dragon. You guys don't know it, but Steve just tried to bail like he did last, week on the Midnight Boys tradition of watching House of the Dragon this weekend, okay? It might be a little hectic. House of the Dragon here at the house. You got to come watch it.

It's the last episode. We're going to have some fun. Jomi's going to be there. Football's going to be happening. All types of stuff. The only person who won't be there is Arjuna because he refuses to come to my house. That's not exactly what happened.

You actively banned him from your house just now. Arjuna is. Arjuna now is banned from the Christmas. Literally, literally, we could, Stephen Spielberg could be at my house giving us a private screening of Jaws and E.T.

And I wouldn't invite Arjun. No, come on. That's too far. That's too far. Come on, man. Kevin Faiyi could be at my house making a vision board of Marvel properties in the next 10 to 20 years just for the Midnight Boys, Arjuna's out.

Stay over there. You want to be over there, Arjuna? Stay over there. That's tough. He does have a family event, and it's a very special holiday, so I'm joking. But yes, you never come back.

Arjuna, you're done. Seriously, I'm joking. And Monday, the Midnight Boys return to give all reactions to El Nigno Adam. What was that? You want to repeat that again? Black Adam.

Might be our most anticipated pod yet. The most anticipated one of the most anticipated pods, Charles will be back for that. One of the most anticipated pause in the history of the Midnight Boys, I should say, with all of the stuff that Charles has been doing. I will tell you this, the numbers are in. And guess what? We're going to be here. I've been told about all people

that Black Adam was very good. And I'm not saying that that's not true. There's rotten tomatoes. He's rotten sometimes. But the numbers are in. And it's not looking great. I can't wait to see it. I cannot wait to see it.

Yeah, we can't let the numbers dictate our perception. We don't. We have to go in. And we got to watch the movie ourselves. We've got to make our own decision, fellow. That's what we do. But I'm just saying the critics have had their say

And now we're going to have ours Now we're going to have ours On today's show we're giving our reactions and thoughts To the seventh episode of Andor And in order to make sure that you Guys do not get upset with us And call us meanies and call those weanis We have to make sure that we don't

Do any damage to your virgin ears By spoiling the show That you're listening to a reaction podcast About Steve please get a spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about Cassie andander. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming.

Now, this is normally the time when we throw it to Charles to do the Midnight Manifest. Charles isn't here. We are still going to do the Midnight Manifest, but you're not going to know who it is that's doing it until you hear it. So, mystery midnight manifester, please give us the need to know on episode seven of Ander. Take it away, whoever you are. Episode seven of Andor has had an announcement, and it is directed by Benjamin Karan and written by Stephen Schiff.

Episode starts looking at our old boy Cyril Karn's house. He's got a nice brown suit on, which he will run. remind you a lot that it's brown. And his mom and him are kind of going at it because he's getting a new job. The Aldani incident has caused an uproar. And so the people of the ISB are laying down the law on the folks at home.

Deidre is so hell bit on finding out who these people are. She's locked it. We follow up with our home girl, Mon Mothma, as she goes to visit Luthan. She wants to know if Odani was Luton's idea. Luton plays Koi.

You're like, I mean, no, it is what it is, what it is, what it is. And my mouth was, she looking a little bit shook. She's like, whoa, I don't know if this is what we're supposed to be out here doing. Meanwhile, Claire, Luton's assistant, is looking on the side. She's looking like, okay, so things happening, keeping an eye on. We go back to Cyril. He's looking at his nice little cubicle. They're like, hey, bruh, whatever happened over there?

If the corpos, we can erase that for you. But you got to work in fuel. We go back. It's Vail. And Vell and Claire have a nice little conversation. Like, hey, you got to get rid of the homeboy. Cassian? Yeah, he's got to go.

You can't have any loose ends. And speaking of Cassini comes back to Ferrix. He meets up with Marva. and our guy B2 emo and he's like we got to get you guys out of here Marba's not really having it but it's late side hey we'll talk in the morning goes and he sees

his home girl Bix's uh she's not really with it she's not really she's not really with the vibe she don't really want to talk to that dude right now she's like uh you messed it up for everybody we jump back my Mothema's having an event at her house and she meets her old friend Taye and she and Tate have a little conversation Maybe you know about somebody joined the rebellion. At first it looked like Ma'ampham who was going to sell and be a little shaky.

But ultimately, she puts Tay on his heels, puts the idea in his head, like, hey, need your help getting this money after his bank. Can you help me? Cool. We'll talk later. At Cassian and Marva's place. And we see into Cassian's past. We see that father figure, Clem, was attacked by stormtroopers. So he and Marvel have it out.

He wants to go, but Marvin wants to stay because of what happened in Aldani. She's like, I've been running my whole life. It means that there are people willing to fight for us, that are willing to have their saying what goes on in this sector. And I'm ready to fight back. He can't stay. She can't go. So he's got to make his way out of there.

We go back to the ISB and is Didera and her op once again face off. But this time, Guy Burn! Our guy at the head of the ISB sighs with Dider and takes away all of Homeboy's sector, gives it to her, and lets her do what she needs to do to find out how this thing on Aldani happened. As they leave, he's like, hey, that was great work, but watch you back. We go to Neimos, which is like, it nice. that's a little beach town. See Cassian laid up with the honey.

He's got his credits. He's got his blaster. He's all keeping it a little secret, though. He needs to go to the store to get some, like, a little snackies for the morning, but he runs into the stormtroopers. KX robots almost kills him. They take him to a sentencing hearing,

and because of all the stuff that happened on Adani, normally that's a six-month sentence. But for Cassium, six years, we see Cyril in looking at his, computer dotting away and the episode ends there. And that is your midnight manifest. Expect that. Oh, that's a good gift, Steve.

You know, I try to make things happen for this show. Don't say I don't put in the effort. They don't call them senior producer Steve Almut for nothing. Senior producer SPSA. That's your SPSA. That's a new thing that says it on the business card right there. In person of this episode, Midnight boys, take it away.

What was the biggest standout moment from this particular episode, episode seven of Andor, which I thought was fantastic. I love all the stuff that happened to the ISB, especially the scene where they're all together. And Guy Byrne is like, hey, man, homie, you were trying to stitch on Diedra all for three episodes now. And I'm sick of it. She's actually the one doing her job.

Take her, take him. take his sector, right? Hey, let's go have a talk. And he was like, hey, man, watch you back. I was like, ooh, something's coming. Something, something in the water has happened in the air. It's pretty crazy when you find yourself rooting for, like, an imperial officer doing her job right and, like,

handed somebody else's ass. Do you know why there's kind of a soft spot for her? It's because she's right. And in shows or in stories, when people are doing things and they have a specific intelligence, a specific savvy, and they're right about what they're saying,

you have the tendency to be on their side. She's right. She sees something coming that the rest of them seemingly don't see, even though we're, I guess, squarely on the side of the rebels. You know what? I've never talked about this with you guys.

Would you guys say that you're rebels or empire? Here's the thing. I'm pro this show in everything. that's going on right now. I find myself rooting for Deidre a couple of times. Yeah. Because she's doing her job right and actually like it has some like ingenious ways of going about it.

In the previous arc, she got reprimanded because she didn't have all the data. She didn't have all of these facts. Now that this heist has happened and they've basically instilled the Patriot Act for the empire. Yeah. She's like, all right, I'm going to take all of this info that I may or may not have the permission to take and I'm going to make a full on report. And I'm going to make sure that I can.

come correct next time. And that, and that's exactly what she does. And I'm like, fucking good on you, man. Jummi, you down with the rebels of the empire. I'm always team rebels. You know, I can't, I can't say that. My wife, Hera is on the side of the rebel. So, you know what I'm saying. I got to stick. There's got a stick of what I know. Also want to make it very clear that I am also pro rebels. I'm not like, I know I just saying Deirdre's praises. No, you're, nah. I can't do the empire. It was a good scene. It was a good scene. There's too much for rockups in the empire. And that always like, Every time I got to like, oh, man, you got to talk to someone so.

You got to get formed HD17B sign. I'm out. Like, there's too much structure for me. I can't do it. So here's my thing. I'm definitely pro rebels, but, I mean, I see, so this show is doing a good job of doubling down on. And, you know, if you read the legends and if you're in and all that stuff, you know, this show is doing a much, much better job at showing just how fucked up the empire really is.

You know, it's in this particular. episode, you get to see some of what it's like to live under imperial rule. But there were parts of Clone Wars where it made you realize that the Republic was no picnic either, that the Republic itself wasn't great. And the Jedi weren't great. And so sometimes you start to wonder, you know, are these two sides that are fighting for essentially, the same thing, which is, like, who's on the side of freedom here? Like, it seemed like sometimes that Republic rule that was still slavery, they were still, you know what I mean?

So I think as Star Wars evolves, what you're starting to see is more people like Gilroy giving you a real snapshot, not even a snapshot, a painting of what life under Imperial rule specifically was, not just that we're being pushed around, not just that in this episode, you know, Cassian gets sentenced to six years in prison. is it for nothing. And that is the empire. What's so fascinating is we'll get to the meeting with Mon Mothma and Luthin, but Luthen is like kind of ruthless in his acceleration of this idea because it seems

that the empire wasn't entirely bad enough for people to actually pick up the cause for the rebel alliance or anything that would resemble a rebellion because they want the empire to overreact to this. They want them to get more authoritarian, get more out of pocket so that everybody can see how bad they were. Rather than him saying, you know, they've been choking us slowly. People have forgotten. That's a big tell that like, okay, well, if the empire would have like eased off the brakes a little bit for how oppressive they might have been, they could have gotten away with a lot more. But instead, their overreaction to this robbery is exactly what leads to their downfall.

Is because they get too oppressive. They get too prideful. I mean, to that point, you know, there's still a Senate, which we know that that's going to, that's going to go away pretty soon. There's still a Senate. There's still things that remind people of the, the formal government that they had before. Remember, they already knew Palpatine. And a lot of them probably already trusted him because he had been chancellor before. I don't see why people don't see.

I don't know he says that the attack left some scar, but I don't know why people don't see that he fucking wears a cloak everywhere he goes. It's a real are we the baddies type when like the guy's a ghost in a black tape. You're like, okay, I don't know if this guy has our best interest. Right now, President Biden is doing his thing. Let's say President Biden, you know, something happened or whatever. There was an Olympus's Fallen type moment, but he comes through a good fucking shit, right? And then he starts wearing a black cloak wherever he goes. I don't know about that.

They're going to start asking questions. I'm going to start asking questions. Yeah. Like, oh, man. Well, like, what? Like, what's going on? Why are all of the Secret Service dressed in all red? Like, what's happening?

Dark Brandon is fighting the Malarkey Alliance. Yeah. It's like, what's going on? But no. So I think the show is doing a great job of that. My biggest standout moment in the show was Cassian coming back to his mother's place and realizing that. she's not looking for an escape.

One thing that's interesting about this show is that the priorities of everyone around Cassian are changing as his stay static. And he's being dragged

into a new phase of his life by various different people. Even Tim, like when he's talking to Bix, right? When he's talking to Bix, Bix blames Cassian for coming back. Cassian blames Tim for ratting him out. Cassian is the same guy. Even later on, he says, I'm going to come back. I'll be back. They're like, before you're going to come back.

Cassian is the same guy. He doesn't realize that people around him are changing. Things around him are changing. They're dragging him to the change. His mother is like, no, I'm not down to run. like the attack that she doesn't even know he was responsible for it's given me bravery, courage and a sense of humanity so I can stand up straight and walk through the place where my companion was hung and I'd rather stay here being that than run away to you to some tourist moon

where you're going to get fucked up anyway and you don't even know. So watching Cassie and realize in real time just how fast everything is moving and just how, as much as he always wants to come back, he can really never go back. He's gone too far to go back. I thought that was great.

And man, if I, look, I want, I'm gonna, I want B. B is my God man. Wherever B goes, I stay. I want to give B a hug. B is the nicest joyd ever. I mean, how's what you did. Let him speak. When she snapped at him, I was like,

No, let him talk. Like, B is the man, man. My heart goes out. It was so touching when he's like, the three of us can go anywhere. I'm like, thank you for including him in that process of moving off planet. I was like, if you abandon him on this fucking rock, absolutely not. You're dead to be Cassian. You can't leave B because he doesn't have enough electricity.

He doesn't have enough power to lie. We'll bring the charging station with. He's got the money. He could bring whatever. You got to take him with you. You can't get caught up because you left to joy on the planet. Imagine the spit shine you could give him

like just like dress him up with all that money like you can get him new parts you get him oh plated gold get some spinning rims on him yeah yeah trick B

the man trick B out man B is the conscious of the show B's like Cass is like we'll leave tonight B's like yes tonight like B loves Cassian so much it really really warms my heart and makes me all ghouly

and emotional inside how much I love B the joy man B is my favorite joy All right. Well, let's Okay. Shut up, Jomi. I like emotional shit. I like, I love me. I didn't say he was the best droid.

See what I'm saying? See how Jomey won't let me live? I said that in the little bit I've seen of B, I don't need no operational joy. What I need is an emotional support droid. If Bozeman could talk, it would probably sound like B. That's B. Bozeman is like, that's B.

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No. Well, I mean, to be fair, she hasn't dealt with anything like this before. Right. Mom off was basically telling Luton, like, you guys, y'all might have flown too close to the sun, man. But I didn't think that you guys were going to do that. Things are going to be a lot worse. Jomey, what were your thoughts on her reaction to the heist?

Oh, man, she was so shook. She was like, ha, ha, ha. Please tell me this wasn't you, my boy. Please, I'm begging. He was like, hey, you got to do what you got to do. And she was like, yo, they're going to be on us. But that's all part of Luther's plan, right? Luther's plan is you do that, the empire clamped down harder,

and people start to realize that they're not who they thought they were. Like, that's the whole thing. And she just can't wrap her head around it, which causes them a little strife. But at the end of the day, she figures it out. At first I was like, is Mom Mothma built for this? And she proved that 10 times over. And she proved it 10 times over. I couldn't stop thinking about the blocking in this scene.

Just like how the scene played out when people stood, when people were like, when doors were closed, when doors were open. When Mothma gets into the store, before the door even closes, she starts asking, please tell me this wasn't you. and before we even notice this, but we already know that she knows that she's under surveillance. And she's so shook by that she doesn't even care. And Luthan's still just like, oh, no, so it's true.

Like he's still got the facade on, even after the door is closed. Only when his back is turned to that driver, does he look upset? And does he start talking like he's actually upset? And every time when he's like picking up that mace where he's just like, tell me when a weapon was made that wasn't used.

Like he's like really telling him, he's like, listen, this is what we're signing up for. We need money and all you've been doing is like dipping a little bit of a toe into your family fortune for us. We've got to get new faces. We got to build a network. We got to do all of these things. And if you're going to be scared now, this isn't for you. And the fact that like we have him turning his back to the driver and then we have a wider shot from the back room of her listening in on this. And then the driver's still watching her is incredible. Like they're saying, sandwiched in between both operatives that are listening and working independently from these two people is incredible because we'll see in the later scene when Cassian is now deemed a loose end and needs to be dealt with what this conversation would mean to both of those people. One person who shouldn't be hearing it and one person who absolutely should. It was incredibly well executed scene and shouts to Stell and Starzgard, again, for crushing this.

Like, he, Luton seems to be the only character that's aware of the stakes. Everybody else seems to be getting, even Vell. Everybody else seems to be getting initiated into what the stakes of this are. There seems to be one character that's aware of the stakes. Because there's so many questions, like when Vail is talking to, I guess that's Luton's assistant that she's talking to, right? Yes. When Vail is talking to the estate.

assistant, there are several questions that there are several things that she says that you wouldn't expect her to look at it that way. You wouldn't expect her to bristle at killing Cassian. She's even really no Cassian. She knows Cassian was a mercenary. You wouldn't expect her to ask the questions

about Senta that she asked. I mean, Sinta is her companion, but at the same time, she seems emotionally involved in this in a way that everybody else isn't. When she gets dressed down based upon who the fact that so many of her crew were expendable, that's something you would expect her to know, right? Luton seems to be the one that's crafting the temperament of the rebellion that we're seeing.

He's inventing the hardcore guerrilla way they have to be by his, influence over everybody else. And he's making the rules for how radical they have to be. I'm not saying he's quite Saar Guerrera. You know what I mean? I'm not saying that he's that he's that far. But I'm saying in terms of dictating to people, what exactly this is going to take, he seems to be writing that book and writing that book by his influence. And Ma Mothma hadn't read it. And she took it, she took the ball and she ran and now she seems like she's ready to go. Props to her for that. But props to her.

But nobody seems like they knew exactly what the fuck how, how vicious this was going to be except for Lou. And you mentioned her, the assistant's name, Clea, by the way, is her name. Clea. Yeah, Clea. And she seems to be, and in the prior episodes, she's rather not suspect of Luthyn, but very cautious about how he's going about this. because she keeps remarking about how, like, obsessed he is with the radio, and she doesn't like it when he's nervous, and he keeps, like, trying to, like, barrel through this last bit of the attack,

and then now that we have this set right, she wants to make sure that no loose ends are, like, left here. And she's already suspect of Mothma, and she can't deal with that on her own. So doing anything that she has in her power to make sure that, like, when she observes this conversation that Luton has with Maud, she's like okay this galvanizes me

to know that I need to do everything that I can to make sure that Luton doesn't fuck up and I consider Cassian a loose end that might fuck this up that Mont Moth was seen with her at her party with her old palte

right they're walking around and at first my first thought that she's going to sell right now my first thought she's going to fumble this bag so hard

and get herself in some serious trouble right because she's walking and they're talking and her daughter's like oh i got a dad to excuse me and i was like all right cool that sounds weird but whatever and then he's like my politics might not be to your taste and i was like oh oh man like that sounds ah i wouldn't want to want to continue this conversation but then she flips it on him she's like hey pal you don't know what i've been doing all this fancy stuff, all this, all this smiling, all these things. It's a distraction.

I'm learning from the enemy. I'm seeing the vision, right? You put it, you, what did you say? You show them a stone of your hand. They don't see the knife to you their throat. And she learned that from Palpatine. She's like, listen, I got to get this money. You're my, you know, you're a banker homie.

Just keep smiling. Just act like nothing's going on. And we'll talk soon. like, hey, yo, she's built for this. She built for it. She built for the moment. That party was a great scene. There's so many great scenes strung together. I just, I'm wary of that guy.

I'm not saying I don't trust him, but I was, I had anxiety when she was talking to him. I was like, don't tell him too much. This guy, I don't know if I could trust this guy. And I think that might have, she might come to regret this. because he just said he's kind of down with the cause. And he just was like, hey, you know, like, I got some hot takes for, you know, this imperial senator. Maybe there's a bit.

And then she's like, well, guess what I'm up to? So, like, the fact that she could not completely drop her facade, but, like, seemed to fully trust this very old friend. Seemed that they might have been romantically involved. They were a little flirty. But it was very, very interesting to see that the moment that she thought that she can trust him. She can immediately, like, take away everything.

And, like, when she keeps saying to tell him to smile, he's way too shook for what she's telling him. And it's so incredible. Like, you learn so much about what Monmothma has to take, like, take and put up with this whole time. Because every time she keeps telling him to smile, she's not worried about a thing. She's had to fake this for years. She's had to deal with all of these things and had to bite her tongue with all of this time.

And to know that Tay can't even handle this conversation without, you know, faking appearances. Interesting situation there is that she trusts Tay. She doesn't trust her husband. So she knows, but think about that. So either that means everything right there or that's because she's telling Tay all of these things. She knows him from back in the day. I love Steve, who was just very toxic a second ago, acting like they can't just. just be friends.

You know, you guys, you guys, you guys show your, there was a vibe there. Come on. Okay, so here's the thing. You guys say stuff in this podcast to further your agenda. All right. You guys say stuff with this podcast. Oh, my God. There's no such thing as a friend zone.

There's no sense. Go ahead and play it. That's an abuse of power. Like, you guys, you guys say some to further your, you're, oh, there's no sense things in a friend zone. But then as soon as you see. old two old friends, a man and a woman, hanging out, oh, they gotta be fucking.

See, Steve? I didn't say anything like that. Steve Andrew Tate. Like, hashtag D-platform, Steve. Don't let me catch you vaping. No. But no. So, yeah, Mahathamah is one of the more interesting characters

in terms of what's happening in and around her. You say that you don't trust Tay either, Steve. It's a method of suspicion because I know that we were very quick to assume like oh, her husband's easily going to sell her out. Yeah. But to be fair, Mon Mothema knows how to fake it in front of her husband.

She knows how to play the role in front of her husband. She knows how to fake it with her husband. All right, all right. Christ, Come on now. Steve, you're really going into, I'm just saying, man, like that's a tough accusation.

I need Charles to help me to bail me out here. Come on. No, it's the fact that like the moment that Mon Mothma has been like wanting to confide in something, be able to like have some sort of respite because Luthan is kind of a tough guy to confide in everything. She's mostly this is a transactional relationship. When she sees Tay, she's been worried all day whether or not she can drop this act and talk to him about what's going on. and he is visibly, like, unsure about what's going on and, like, not sure about what's happening.

Because, you know, he doesn't want to get, he doesn't want smoke. He clearly doesn't. And I think that, like, I'm not going to say that, you know, Tay's on Packwatch or selling out, but this could be rough. This could be rough. I can't imagine Tay, like, snitching or, like, you know,

being an op per se, but I could see him fumbling the bag. You know what I'm saying? Taking the ball and just, you know, I, you know, selling, you know, on accident, you know, it happens. So you get caught up, you're like, uh-oh, and now he might have to answer for Mon Mothma's, you know, misdeeds, I guess, and that could be something that could propel the, the plaque going forward. I could see that. What's great about this interaction, though, is that, like, you can see this going

either way. Like, you could see this being a mistake for Mon Mothma, or this could work out. Like, this could be a good play because, you know, the fact that she needs an ally in this to help keep this thing going, Taze could be the one. And we could be looking at our understanding of the financial infrastructure of the rebellion going forward. You know, you need a couple of bankers.

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One reason. Once again, casting had no idea what his involvement in the heist was going to mean to people. For him, it was another money play to get money and get bad chicks off world somewhere else. But to other people, it meant something, including to Ma. Her reaction in this episode, in this incredible scene, tells you what? This was to me, possibly the most affecting scene in the show so far. The end of episode three was really like an incredible arc to know what Marva meant to Cassian and what she effectively took from him and what that entire encounter did to him for the rest of his life. You mentioned before about Cassian not really understanding the same. and how he's being pushed into this life to care about all of these things, Marva's the only person in his life that understands why he's not ready to do that. And she will never push him to make that.

The line, you can't stay and I can't go. She actually understands him because everything that was taken from him as a kid built the person that's standing in front of her now, the person that wants to run, the person that wants to just get away with the money that he can and survive. She doesn't think that anything she can do for him can make him change that.

And when he can't understand it, it breaks her heart, but she gets it. She's just like, you just have to leave. And him saying that he'll never find peace knowing that he'll worry about her, that, like, I was crying when this happened. But like,

when he's like, I'll never get peace when I have to worry about you. It's like, that's just love. There's nothing you could do about that. tell me that you understand that. He's like, I won't. That's like, I can't get too personal, but like that hits incredibly hard. Wow.

When like he's not emotionally prepared to lose somebody and she knows exactly why. Like that's, that was an incredible, incredible moment to witness between those two. Jesus Christ, Steve. I'm glad you can share that with this, Steve. Yeah, you got me in my fields, Doc.

How could you not? How could you not see that scene and think like, Jesus, like, she knows exactly what's going on with him. She understands him fully. Can I tell you what made me emotional about the scene? I'll be honest with you. That a lot of time when they're shooting the scene, it's almost as if they're shooting it from B's perspective.

Kind of, yes, a little bit. They're shooting it over the top of B, B, my innocent little companion friend. And he's watching this happen. and B wants to go. He just wants them to be a family. And so it looks almost like a kid watching two parents fight. Even when B says, can I speak now? And she says, no, I really wanted to be like,

I want to hear what B's got to say. Like what is B? I'm so in the bag for B. I don't know what, I don't know why this little droid has affected me. I'm serious. Like, I'm all jokes aside. Right. No, no, you're right.

Like, when Cassian's coming back and B runs to the door, I don't know why this joy it has gotten into my heart and affected me. I love B like I love Mountain Lion. Like, I love B. Jami, your thoughts. So you guys got really emotional in that scene. And it was a very emotional scene. But I'm not going to hold you.

I was kind of laughing the whole time. because not the Clem stuff aside the Clem stuff is tough but when she's like did you see what happened on Aldani you saw those people fought for me you saw those people

they they risked lives for this and Cassie's like he can't tell her hey I was there I didn't for the brain I did it for the brain right

enough bread to get us off this planet and go on vacation how do you think I got this for money like he can't be can't be honest her and be like, yeah, I was there. I'm not, we're not really trying to, you know what I'm saying? You, you scheme, maybe?

Like, if I gave you a, if I gave you Nemex Manifesto, maybe, you might think we was out here for the thing, but I don't know if you missed skiing. And, you know what I mean? Like, it was just, it was so, I mean, I don't know if heartbreaking is the word, but it was tough. Like, dog, he was there.

I was there. Like, this battle you want to fight? Like, I indirectly call. you, or I guess directly caused you not to want to leave here. Like my actions, right, I thought I was going to do this, get the money, take us away, and let us live our lives in peace. Instead, it is backfired in a way that I don't even think Cass and Corrapa said around. It's like, oh, you've now inspired Marva not only to stay in Ferris, but to fight.

and that is like the, like the worst outcome that could have happened for him. Like the worst outcome. Like your could be writer. She, when he leaves, she picks up a gun. She's ready for the smoke. Fucking busy. She's sick of the bullshit. You know what I mean?

Like she, and look, for older people, it's hard to get it. I don't want to get too serious, but I remember when Hurricane Katrina was coming. And I was looking around. Hey, yo, you guys here, Nagin, we got to get the fuck out of here. Like, seriously, call family. Let's go out to, let's go out to L.A. for a little while, on Theresa Neme, call family Houston. Let's get north.

Let's just go to Arkansas. Let's just go to Shreveport. We don't even have to lead the state. Do you know how many people was like, nah, man, ain't going nowhere. Man. Like, it's just, I ain't going to where. If it's as bad as they say it's going to be, now I'm going to be right here for it.

I'm not getting out of here. When you start talking to people who have a lot invested into where they are and they've had a lot of trauma invested into where they are and they've had a lot of memories invested into where they are, their life starts to be about not what's in their future. It starts to be about preserving what it is that they already have. And for her, she's had what she had taken from her. So she wants it back.

And she didn't think that was a possibility. She didn't think it was a possibility to get her dignity back, to get her freedom back. She didn't think revenge was a possibility. All she's had was the trauma. And that heist on Aldani represents the opportunity to win again. Think about the type of woman she was. They were going overplace, taking chances. They were living in a different galaxy, a galaxy where, you know, the rules were different.

And the empire changed all of that. And she thought it was gone for good, but apparently it's not. And so much of this stuff comes together. Like, think about it. Luton, we thought that Luton saw something in Cassian that would make Cassian a rebel. Nah, Cassian was another tool to Luton. Luton ordered his death. This story, this show, at least we think Luton ordered his death.

That might not come from Luton. We don't even know if that came from Luton. That's a big question. Like, is she operating independently, or did she, or did Luthan actually order that? Because you can believe that she didn't do that. We can believe it. Like, yeah, I was wondering about that. Yeah.

Episode five, she's like, Vell, they can trace back to us. But the only person who they're going to chase back to us is Cassian, right? And Cassian is the only person outside of Sinta and Vell who made it out of their lives. So, I mean, and then who was, what's her name? Clea? Clea was the one. And she told that to Luthan. So maybe she acted independently, you know, trying to do, trying to do Luthorst and

favors. It's entirely possible. I don't think Luton would want Cassian dead. I feel like, like, we mean, in episode three, his whole thing was like, well, you know, you could be useful to the empire. You know what I'm saying? He would like to have him, you know, at least available. So I can be like, hey, man, remember me?

You know, yeah, have that job. Yeah. You know, so ordering his death doesn't seem like a Luther's going to do. It seems like an overreach by Clea. I've been interested how that all rolls back especially because he's not

currently available right now. Yeah. So it'd be interesting. Really interesting. What about Vicks here? What do we think about Cassian and Bix? It seems like that's cooked.

I thought... Bix is in a rough place. It's been cooked. It's been cooked, man. Come on, man. You can't... Listen, Tim, you know, did snitch.

That's not... That's not a lie, right? That did happen. But then you disapprope. and now my life is worse because he was out of her acting a fool. You know what I mean? So if I was Cassian,

I would have cussed big stuff out with respect to you. You must be out of your motherfucking mind. You tell me, wait a, well, hold on. You up here dating Jared Kushner and that nigger fucking snitches and then you're about to get in my motherfucking face and tell me about, yeah, of course I can.

came back. This is why I'm from. Yeah, guess what? Everybody in Bat Rouge, I'm coming back. I'll be back at some point. This is why I'm from. If I get in trouble or something, I'm still going back. Bat Rouge, Louisiana, I'm coming back. You come back and you got damn,

you got motherfucking, you fucking Ben Shapiro and he's, and he snitches on me. And he snitches on me. And you look at me and tell me, look what I've done. Well, to be fair.

Accountability! For Bix here right now, all she can see is the fact that her boyfriend is dead because of him. Because of who? Because of who? Because of Cassian. That's what she sees. No!

It's unfairly placed. It's unfairly placed. It's unfairly placed. It's not even... It's not even... It's not even a fact. That's not... She's nuts if she thinks that happened.

Like, her boyfriend is dead because he fucked himself. That's what happened. That's what happens. That's like, that's what happens. He did it to himself. I'm not saying I want the character to die. No.

No one but himself to blame. But what happened to him? They wouldn't, the corpus wouldn't be there if he wasn't there. You know, if he hadn't made the call, right? So ultimately, like that all comes back to Tim. And so for Biggs to be mad at, to be mad at casting for that, I see it, you know, it's misplaced. I understand, but you got to, come on, Tim has to take his lumps.

I think it's more telling that Cassian comes to her relatively carefree because he's got all this money. He has this plan to leave. He wants to settle those debts. And even before she opens the door on him, they kind of talk before she opens the door. And he's just like reminiscing. I was like, you remember when your dad caught me about climbing over that wall? And then she's like, you know, Tim thought we got back together, right? And it's like, well, why would we think that?

And that's what makes her open the door. I figured that that question was really interesting that he had to say that in order to get her to open the door. I don't think that Cassian lets these things set in until he sees hard consequences. And he starts to flirt with those ideas after he leaves to see Bix. and he sees those stormtroopers walking and we get those first flashbacks with Clem, which are amazing. Amazing, heartbreaking

to know that Clem got killed because he was trying to stop rioters and that he was going to be hung in the square just because of all of that. How affecting was that scene? I think to me, that scene and the scene at the end,

they're indicative of how the incompetence of the empire, sometimes it's not even evil. it's incompetence. They just don't know what they're doing. They're very, they are frivolous with people's lives. But what happened to Clem and Ferris and what happened to Cassian on Neimos

are almost the exact same thing. The stormtroopers have no idea what it is that they're doing. They don't know what they're doing. And to their extent, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't. They don't care because there's absolutely no, they don't feel any responsibility. There's no recourse that people have against the stormtroopers. But they end up profoundly affecting lives through the fact that they don't care about the people

and that they're big, fat, and incompetent. So the same reason that Clem was hugging that square when he was actually trying to get people to not assault the stormtroopers. is really kind of the same reason why Cassian, no Cassian wasn't trying to stop anybody from doing anything. He was just trying to go to the store to get some greenie pops for his bay bay, his vacation bay. He can't outrun the incompetence, the negligence,

and the murderous nature of the empire. He just can't get away from it. It's affected him when they were the Republic. It affected him back on his home world. It affected him with his father. and it's affecting him now. And I looked at those two things, and I look at the Storm Trooper

as the symbol of imperial recklessness, negligence, and abuse. And we've seen that typically throughout the show, but never throughout Star Wars, but never quite like this. Hey, you, what are you doing? What are you doing? You're going to jail.

Six years of your life gone. Your father trying to stop what essentially would be like an insurrection or a rebellion, what happens, he ends up hung. So the only way, you have no other way to deal with these guys except to kick their asses. There's nothing you can do.

Your obedience won't work. Like you're trying to help them won't work. The only option left for you in dealing with them is to defeat them, and that is what Cassian is being taught. And I'm wondering if he might, I theorize whether or not Cassian might misunderstand this acceleration of imperial aggression to be because of what we did.

Like somehow the job was fucked up because of what they did rather than like, oh, it could have been good enough if we had just not, you know, kick the hornet's nest for all of this. Because he didn't care before this happened. He thought he could get away. He thought he could solve these problems by himself.

But now that he knows that he can't, if he maybe doesn't learn from, you know, these actions of getting into prison, because he knows he didn't do anything wrong. Is this going to galvanize him? Is he going to read the manifesto? Is he going to take up the cause? Or is he going to maybe think, well, shit, the rebels don't know what they're doing.

I need to make sure that they don't mess this up again. I was going to say, like, he's got six years of free time now. Nemek, you know, he got some reading time. You feel me? Like get into them books, you know what I'm saying? Radicalize yourself, my brother. You know, come out a little different. Come out a little more, little more.

Brin woke. No, but in terms of, like, the clam getting hung in the square, like that is one of, like, the most affecting the scenes, I think, in Star Wars. Like, I just watched Tarzan the other day, and, like, you see at the end, like, Clayton. You see, not Clayton, he gets like, you see, why are you making that face? I was just like, I was, because I was like, man, you know, Phil Collins, really slapped. Cartoon? You're watching Tarzan?

part of doing? Yeah. Yeah. Joe me, what goes on, bro? Like what? Yeah.

Like what? To be fair, the Tarzan movie is good. It's a good. Tarzan movie is good. You know, you see like Clayton get hung, right,

by like the fines and like the, you know, they don't show the body, but the shadow, you're like, God, that's grim. Yeah.

Golly. Like, that's, ah. And, you know, for me, like,

see Clem get hung up like that. Like, literally, get strung up like that. for nothing, for literally Jack, for actually trying to be a helpful, like a helpful person, screams like, you know, Van, you make this point to the evilness of the empire, just the disgusting nature of their behavior. And it's interesting, and this is why I love this, the scene.

Like, for most people, that have been it for them. That have been like, oh, empire is done, man. Like, I want nothing. I'm like, I'm radicalized myself. I'm fine against these. I'm dedicated my life to find it against these people. But it's not so simple for Cassie. That wasn't it.

That's just the thing that happened to him that, like, while mad unfortunate, man unfortunate doesn't galvanize him to the cause. Like, there's, there are more things. There are, there's so much more pain, you know, that happens to him in his life. That that's not even, he didn't even think about that. Like, oh, man, forget the, oh, forget the empire. It's just a small subset of his life. That's nuts.

There's so much development. There's so much room in that character that they're exploring now. And I'm really, I'm really happy to, well, I'm not happy for casting. He's going through a lot, but I'm really happy that they're really diving into, like, what makes him him. We have to talk about casting the situation on Namos, man. Yeah. Well, I mean, it wasn't tough at first, though. Wasn't tough at first.

The heat came to Cabo San Lucas. Ooh, boy, we're living, boy. I looked out. I thought it was more like Turks, but Cabo makes more sense, to be honest with you. Everybody, by the way, beach community there, they're still pretty dressed up. I didn't see anybody in their swimsuits there. Do they have swimsuits in Star Wars? I mean, do they have bathing?

Probably. Leah, right? The layer, well, she's got in the Jedi. That was a bathing suit in that desert. I wasn't a bathing suit. suit. That was some real toxic shit. Yeah, don't talk about that. But Cassidy is in the situation.

He thinks he's good. I'll tell you one thing. That girl is going to find that money and take that shit. You'll never see her again. But he ends up in the clutches of the empire. He thought that there was going to be some place that he was going to be able to run to where he wouldn't have to deal with it. And it just won't leave his life. It's almost as if it's his destiny to destroy the Death Star or be a part of

destroying death. So I'm serious. Like, what do you guys think? It's so, it's so incredible. You know, you think you're coming to Cobbo, man? I'm going to get this vacation. I'm going to see with this honey. We're going to do our thing. You know what I mean? Like, I'm going to just live my life peacefully. And on the way to the story gets caught up.

Dude, when the KX droid walked up, I was like, bro, there's no way, man. That's not the homie. I thought. I thought, I thought, I thought we was, I thought we was bought to get out of it. I think they wanted us to think that. I thought, oh, is this a big end of a friendship? Here's the thing.

K2SO is a repurposed imperial droid. So they took out that indoctrination protocol or whatever. So maybe this is the origins of our buddy K2. Couldn't be. Maybe. Maybe that's how we get sprung out of jail. Could be. I tell you one thing, though.

It's a bad situation. She goes, she goes, this normally comes for six months. I was like, God damn, six months in jail just for, like for nothing. And then she goes, six years. I was like, fuck! God. I was like, oh my God. Yeah, this show Andor is doing a better job than any other show

is showing us just how fucked it was to live in the Imperial Galaxy. At any moment, walking could mean you were thrown in jail for six years. It's just crazy. Again, it's like, but the fact that these rules and these regulations change more or less overnight at the act of like this one job that he did, I'm curious if Cassian may still be sour about that fact that he's like, no, this isn't helping. This is making people hurt worse.

He could probably side a little bit with Monmouthma to be like, what's this suffering worth just for the sake of your cause? Because it could have been fine enough. I don't distrust the show to maybe walk that line to be like, yeah, well, what's so good about this now as opposed to what we had before? It's a worthy question that the show is like not afraid to ask.

I think it'll flip the script. I think my man, you know, however he gets done with his bid, whether he serves the whole time or not or whatever it comes down to. Hey, man, maybe Aldani wasn't enough. Maybe, you know, not Saarer type levels, but more like Luton levels. Like, hey, man, I'm tired of this, bro. We can't, we can't live like this.

You know what I mean? Like, you can walk and get sent up for six years. Like, imagine that, right? The man might just come up, but like, hey, Luton, what you got from me, bro? Like, what we'll be trying to do, man? Well, he's definitely broke now, so he'll need it when he comes back. I'm going to be locked in for the, for the, for the whole run.

Here's a situation, guys. Ander is cooking with Greece. Yeah. The Star Wars nation, Star Wars fandom. The casuals seems slow to catch on. I hate it. I'm really upset. What can he do?

We banged the drum. harder, I guess. That's what we got to do. This is, this is like so disheartening because it's genuinely some of the best Star Wars I've ever seen. It is. But it also just shows me how full of shit a lot of people are. You don't know what you want.

Some people don't know what they want. Talk to him, man. Talk to him. It shows me how full of shit a lot of people are. There's some of you out there in Star Wars land in fandom land, period, that really all you guys want to do is complain. All you want to do is complain. there's really a fantastic show out right now

that really is the embodiment of everything that everyone has said has been wrong with Star Wars for a lot of time and because it doesn't have a A number one historic character you guys aren't supporting it not like you support some of the other stuff it's almost as if you would rather be disappointed

by Star Wars than invigorated buy it. I think it's a bunch of horseshit. I think it's a bunch of bullshit. I think you guys just like to fucking snark and complain about shit. Now, a lot of people might say, hey, that's

pretty rich coming from the Midnight Boys. But look, we're the guys in this space that say, when something's not fucking living up to it, it's not fucking living up to it. But when something is seven out of seven in amazing episodes of television,

then we're going to be front row making sure people know just how fucking amazing it is. And and or is that, and you guys aren't showing up with it. I look at the metrics. I look at the reaction videos on other people's pages. I look at how the reaction numbers on places like New Rockstar, shout out to Eric Voss and MT, places like heavy spoilers, places that I watch, of course, after I do this. but places I don't see the numbers or Generation Tech,

which I think is the best Star Wars fan page that is out right now. Shout out to Allen. But when I go and I look at some of the recaps and the theory videos, it doesn't have the same traction. When the show is so much better than most of the stuff that we've been given on Star Wars TV, and I don't understand what the deal is. It's like you guys don't want to be grown-ups.

You want to be kids that bitch and love. on and complain about everything. So that's all I'll say. I'll kick the audience in the nuts right now, but I am one of you so we can talk about it and give each other hugs after. Somebody very dear to me said that nobody hates Star Wars more than a Star Wars fan,

and that really set in with me. It did. It's tough because this is right here is some of the best Star Wars that we've gotten. If they had paid this much attention to detail and story, you know, to Book of Boba Fett and Obi-Wan, we'd be like in the midst of a great run,

right now. Do you understand? And so it's a shame that people are missing out on really spectacular television just for like, you know, for whatever reason. Like, none of it makes sense. Like, if you're a Star Wars fan, you should be locked into the show and you should be like, you should be witnessing greatness every Wednesday. But, you know, this is about to be one of my favorite shows of the year. Like, don't, like, forget fandom, forget anything. Best show of the year so far. Yeah. To have this go up against the bear. Like, it's tied right now. I don't know how this is going to run out, but I'm thoroughly impressed every week

with how unyieldingly good this is. Absolutely. Well, that's a rap force. Motherfakis, Friday, House of R will start their deep dives into Andor. Sunday, Talk to Thrones is back again. As Chris Ryan Malinjoa gave you their instant reactions to the House of the Dragon. And Monday, the Midnight Boys will return to give their reactions

to El Nigo Adam, black Adam. Critics are loving it. They're digging it. So will we. They're digging. They can't wait.

I can't wait for the hierarchy to change. I can't wait for the hierarchy to be re-instituted at the end. Credits. Our credits are producer, Steve Almond. Steve, the architect,

Ahmed. Jomi, I dinner on social, Jomi's Autumn Joy, I like that we're staying there. Do we want to stay there or do we want to have another one? I really just like it. We want to stay there. We want to stay there. Jomey's Autumn Joy. Jomey's Autumn Joy.

We want to stay there for right now because I like that. That makes me feel all fuzzy inside like my boy B does. Very pumpkin spicy. The digital production from Arjuna never comes over to my house, Rangapal. Okay. Charles isn't here. Okay, this is so hard. You're going to try it, Steve?

I don't think I should. Is somebody going to try it? Are we going to try it? Jome, you want to try it? Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Okay, give me, give me one second. Let me make sure I get this right.

Let's go. Let's go, Jomey. Give it a shot, Jomey. Come on, I believe in you. You got it, buddy. Mix tape Wayne. We miss you, Charles. Now more than ever.

You're right? Jomey, come on now. Waits. Okay, well, Wolf Giloran was in this episode, right? So I don't want you guys to heckle. But if you remember, he was that one guy from our show, Star Wars Rebels. Okay. I'll give you a few of you.

Okay, okay. It was terrible. But look, John. Jomey fucking, bro, that works for me. He went for it. He went for it. Show me, we're going to give me another few of you. Steve?

Good deal. Everybody. That works. Charles, please come back. Question. Is Tarzan racist? Kind of racist. I'm not going to lie.

I was watching it. I guess. So here's the thing about Tarzan. Tarzan is really not racist, but it feels racist, right? It feels racist. Here you have a kid like Steve. I don't know. That in some kind of way ends up in Equatorial Africa being raised by apes.

And it seems like she was written in 1912 or 15 or something. Yeah, it's an older. It seems like the apes was supposed to be black people, you know? Like he is a savage. It's really not Tarzan ape man. is really Tarzan nigger man. Wow. That's how they make it seem.

It's like he comes out all. It don't feel, because when I was a kid, see, I grew up in the golden age of Tarzan. There's a guy named Johnny Wisemiller. Do you know who that guy was? No shot. No shot. Johnny Wisemiller, he was like the...

He's a swimmer? He's a swimmer, right? But he played Tarzan back in the day. Yes, okay. And so he was everybody's Tarzan for like a while. It was like Johnny Wisniller. He was such a good swimmer. He played Tarzan.

He was everybody's Tarzan for a while. And then so I grew up in an age where it was Tarzan, Tarzan, Tarzan, then Tarzan came back with you guys. But when I started to get older, I'm like, I don't know, man. I don't think I'm fucking with Tarzan like that. Like Tarzan, they remade and they had Scars Guard out there. Oh, that one? Yeah. Like Tarzan seemed like

It's exploitive in some way I'm like It's definitely imperialist Because you know The English come here and they're like Hey we're going to get these You know we're going to explore these guerrillas But really they're just trying to like take them

You know what I'm saying And stuff them or whatever And it's like guys come on Like you can't do this every part of the planet You know what I'm saying? Has some respect for somewhere I mean this The first appearance of Star

of Tarzan was in October of 1912. So Tarzan came so the original story is like Tarzan's mother was killed by Black Hunters. Oh boy. And then Tarzan started fucking over them. That's a true story.

I cannot confirm this. That's true. Tarzan's mom was killed by some, by a tribe came in and they killed Tarzan's mother, the ape, the mother that he had that was an ape, and then they killed the mother, and Tarzan, Tarzan was fucking over them.

Look it up. Brief look at the wiki with changing social views and customs. It led to criticism, including charges of racism, since the early 70s, early post- negative stereotypical Native Africans. Oh, boy. Okay, I'm not going to read any further than that. Look in there and see if it says anything.

about Tarzan won revenge on the black tribe that killed his eight mother. There's a lot of like, there's a lot of sizzles in there. Ooh, yeah, that's tough. Yeah.

This is a tough wiki read. Okay. Funny enough, Tarzan wasn't on the up-and-up. Not really. How come there's not a reverse Tarzan? How come there's no story? I'm serious.

How come there's no story? I'm like, wait a second. Wait a second. And please, if I'm wrong about this, then please, if I'm wrong about this, please, please correct me. How come there's no story about these rich white people that go to Africa and they end up adopting an African kid and then he comes back to the United States and runs everything? He is the fucking man. He becomes fucking J.P. Morgan, Moore, or, and. or Carnegie or Rockefeller or one of those how come there's no reverse Tarzan?

That's how you know. They can go down there and learn how to flip and all of that shit. But there's never a story where we come over here and then we start running shit. Tarzanan racists. Anyway, let's get back to it.

There's like 10 minutes of Tarzan talk. I'm sorry. I'll see what I can win a lot of that for post credits. That all makes the pod. That all makes the pod. What's the difference between butter and butter made from real California dairy? It's the real California farm families behind it. Real people. Real care. Real intention. Why? Because real matters.

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