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Episode Date: November 2, 2022

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TikTok, TikTok should be banned. This is not a tech podcast. It's not a tech podcast. Whatever, whatever. Right. Brow everybody! Friday, the House of Ard gives you their deep dive on the latest episode of Andor.

All right. Next week is a big week. Big week. Lots going on. The blick pinta. The blick. The glik-c-c-c-cun-cul-a-cun-cun-a-can. The feather-suppet-gul-a-gall-con.

The feather-suppet God. We're going to be, it's not even in the program. Reminders, it's letting you guys know that we're going to be recording a pod on Black Panther, Konda forever next week. We'll be dropping next week. Cool-c-c-c-c-cal-can. All right.

So, huge. huge implications there, a lot of stuff. Today show, though, we're giving our reactions to another fucking banger. I don't care what you guys say. I'm jumping the gun. The ninth episode of Andor. In order to do that, we have to remind you guys that you're here watching a reaction

podcast or listening to one. So Steve, give them my spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about Cassianander. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming.

Begin our reactions as always. The man, the myth, the legend, Charles Holmes is going to give you the need to know in the form of the midnight manifest. Chuck, take it away. We are here for another midnight manifest for Andor episode 9 title, Nobody's Listening, directed by Toby Haynes, written by Beau Willamon. We start with Diedra. She tries to convince Bix to go along with her interrogation easily or be placed in a new form of torture that the empire has defies. Bix realizes that Diedra is associated. and will make her go through this torture no matter what.

Dr. Gorth explains that this torture is based off the recorded sounds of the people on Dizon Frey called the Dizanauts. When they are killed, they emit a frequency that causes emotional distress and their victims, but the cries of the children being the most painful, eventually Bix is overtaken by this torture and reveals what she knows about Andor to Diedra. Meanwhile, on Narcino 5, Andor is running a variety of schemes to figure out the best way to escape the prison. He's even badgering the shift lead keynote to tell him how many prison guards there are on each floor.

As this plot progresses, the prisoners on each floor begin to communicate with each other. There's rumor that an entire floor of workers on level two was killed, but no one knows why. As Andor and his factory rise in the ranks, their oldest coworker Ulaf is struggling. But the boys want to keep him alive because he only has 40 days left on his sentence. When Uloff eventually has a stroke and is euthanized by a doctor, Andor and Kino, learn from said doctor that an entire floor of workers was killed as a result of a sentencing mistake where a recently released worker on level two was placed back into the system on another level.

The other workers rioted against the prison system that would keep them enslaved forever. And rather than word of this spreading through the jail, the empire just dispatched with the entire floor. And then we go to Cyril where his mom is berating him during breakfast to reveal more about what's going on in his life till Cyril. snaps and finally admits that he's gotten a promotion. But then we see Cyril who shows up, but we can just call it stocking. Didera, outside of IBS headquarters, and he professes his thanks to Diodra for a recent

promotion and pledges his undying loyalty to her cause. And that has been your midnight manifest for episode 9 of Andor. Standout moments, Chuck, you've been gone? Tell us what's on your mind. Yeah, I know at this point it's cliche. but goddamn the show's crack. Like, I was so afraid. The standout moment is what happened to Bix.

I've never been so emotionally invested and just hurt. I went through the emotional ringer. The actress that plays Bix is just so talented. The look of fear and pain. I don't think Star Wars has always been the best when it comes to actually describing how inhumane and devilish and evil, not only the empire, but totalitarianism can be, and or is showing us that, like, hey, everybody doesn't get Darth Vader, but sometimes what you end up with is worse.

So I just love this episode. It's very fantastic. Jome, Jome, Jome, Jum Skiddle. Man, the big Steedder stuff was intense, but for, For me, the standout moment of the episode was no more than 12 guards at a time. Easily for me. I love a good activation, baby. I love it.

Come on. That's how you know. That's how you know was about to go down. The entire, you know, Andy Circus showing up. You know, he's always been a stray man. He's like, hey, work your shifts. I don't want to hear you talk about. And then we lose our homeboy.

and we find out that, hey, there's no leave in this prison. You go to the floor and then you die. That's how we do these. That's how they do things around here. And when he figured out, he was like, hey, man, it's time. I need to go. One reason why I love that is because it represented, we always talk about the loss of hope or how about this.

We all talk about how hope exists in Star Wars, right? and hope is what you have that arms you to defeat the empire. Hope is what you have that allows you to access the lost Jedi in front of you inside of you. Hope is what you have to to sort of like bring you back to the people that you love. You hope that you'll see them in.

Hope, hope, hope is a recurring thing in Star Wars, right? We've never seen a character that like really had hope in the empire, right? It was different for me. Seeing someone that their hope was around the fact that the empire was who they said they were. And that after this many shifts, you would actually get out. Hope in the system. Faith in the system.

Right. So the loss of hope actually being something that then weaponizes somebody to go do what they have to do that turns them into someone who's going to help Cassian was cool to see. It was like, for whatever reason, and I love tickets to the circus. The only circus where no animals are hurt. I love circus. Okay. So the fact that he lost hope in the empire in what they said they were going to do, and that makes him a hero to our story, was a little subversion right there.

Little subversion, Steve Arrino. Co-signed it. Everything that you guys just said, great standout moments, especially from Andy Circus. like incredible performances in that prison. I think second greatest line, the worst thing you could do right now is for me. Like, Deirdre, like, turned it on this. She's crazy good in this episode.

She's a what? She's a freak. She was, like, it was, she was having way too much fun, way too much fun, like, just telling all the torture shit. I was like, relax, all right? I don't know. When you say she's a, When you say she's a freak, that causes up different images.

I don't know if you know. Oh, right. You shouldn't be. You don't know if she's a freak. I don't know. If we want the freak award for the week is definitely Cyril. My man. Oh, yeah, Cyril.

He went out sad, bro. Cyril. We'll get there. We'll get there. Woo. For you, bitch. Yeah. Diedra is now the, she's our main antagonist.

And she's doing a great job in that role. She came up from behind the. shadows. She's a very, that whole interrogation scene was so fucking tense for me. It was so scary for me. I didn't know what meant that they would use, but the fact that

the show's doing just a great job of building up sort of the dramatic tension and exposing us to horrors that we haven't seen yet in Star Wars. So like, think about that, some little kids screaming or howling in a way that's bad. That's like a horror

movie shit. Like their death? Howells after the Empire had murdered them. Like, that's also what is brilliant about this, where it's like, sometimes with Star Wars, I'm like, you guys could have, you know, featured this up a little bit, like on the Jetsons. Like, make whatever is in the future cool. Just don't make it a regular torture machine.

And, like, Tony Gilroy and Coving are like, all right, we're going to make the most frightening fucking, like, think about it. The worst thing that could happen in Star Wars usually, if you don't listen to the Empire, is like Darth Vader, like, choking you. I would rather, have Darth Vader choke me. I don't want to hear

the death cries of an alien race that makes me insane. I got to kick you in your nuts. Star Wars is not in the future. It says it very clearly. Wait, what? Don't do this. Star Wars is not in the future. All right, we're going to get very technical here. I mean, it's not technical. What the fuck is high?

It's the first thing that they tell you. It's the first thing you see. It's not, is not, what's technical about it? It's not in the future. It's not in the future. It's a long, long time ago. In the galaxy far, far away. So it's not in the future, Charles.

So fucking take it back. No. I'm not doing this with y'all. Like, I just came back from vacation. I'm not up the bullshit right now. Go on. Didre, on the hunt, the torture of Bix.

What was your biggest fear to come out of that scene? I have to ask everyone that. What piece of information did you guys not want Bix? to give up in that scene when you saw that happen. I didn't want her to give up Cassian, but it sounds like she did. She did. She completely folded.

It was like he was here three days ago, cleanly shaved the whole nine yards. That's tough. That puts our guy in a very, very, very tough position. Now, he's in prison under a different name, so maybe that might help fudge him, but they're on his tail, man. So no, matter of time.

Matter of time. I have the feeling. that they're going to find out where Cassian is, almost at the same time that Cassian is escaping the prison. So there are going to be two things going on. He is going to be escaping the prison, and he's going to have to escape the ISB that's hot on his tail while he's escaping the prison.

So he's going to have to get away from the guards inside of the prison. And as the ISB rolls up, they're just going to be finding out who he was. Chuck, let me ask you real quick, Van. Would you have held on, as long as Bix. Because at this point, like, I love Andor.

Like, I love Cassian. He's my man. But Daw, Cassian has made the block hot. He's ran away. At a certain point, I'm like, you know what?

Like, Cass can take care of himself. Like, he'll be easy. Like, I'm flipping. You'll snitch. Five seconds in. Oh, whoa. So fast.

They wouldn't even have to turn on this sheet. I'm like, oh, what I'm saying? Cassian was having some way last week with me. Like, he's right here. Like, come on, man. so crazy

she known this guy a long time that's so crazy she known this guy a long time that's her they didn't been they didn't been like fucking intimate together

it's intimated that they've been intimate and you're just gonna give up Charles hell fucking yeah I'll tell him he's social security number I'll tell you where his mama stay I don't give a fuck Charles said he starts singing

Charles is Charles is one of those guys from the first 48 They give some KFC You know It's like it's like It's like hey Hey Kewan

You hungry Hey let's get Kwan What you got? It wouldn't even have to be food They could give me like a McDonald's dollar buck You know what I'm saying? That's crazy Let's get Kwan one of those new double downs

From over at KFC Have you heard of this K1? It's two chicken patties on. Let's get Q on a double down. I gotta get you though, Charles. I'm snitching for a Baja Blast. For real. I get you.

Yeah. I see it. I see it. I can't. I started saying these were dead aliens and the screams and shit. I was like, hold up. Actually, to be real with you, I think that would make me snitch. Because I'd be like, oh, I can handle that shit.

Now, if they had to pull it out like something. I don't know. If they had to pull out, you guys, if they had to pull out some contraption to put your balls in or something like, then I'm like, now. Then I'm like, now. I don't know. That's like some mental waterboarding they put her through. Yeah, that was way, that was bad. That's terrible. I would think I would think that I could go through that.

I'm not going to act like I could. So here's my question. I never, like we have to show the empire is bad, right? So they have to torture you. But like Biggs has, she's got some leverage, right? Like they need her alive, right? They need her to like her brain to make, you know, be able to process information.

Like the Joker's like, hey, don't start with the head. you know, that'll mess me up. Why does Bix like, hey, man, you float me a couple hundred credits, we can start talking, you feel me? Because she, because, you know why? You weak bastards. Because Bix is not like y'all. Bix loves Casimir.

That's her actual friend. All of you guys, like, by the way, none of you have even been tortured. You guys are always talking, already talking about how you get out of it. You, like, Jomi, Charles wants a fucking, McDonald's Buck or Big Mac. Jomey's angling for some credits. All of you guys are just, she's his friend.

Like, she's trying to. So? I don't know, man. I don't know, man. Like Charles said, Streis is hot. Sad, man. You feel me? Y'all sad.

Even his, like, I was it on last week's episode, but even his mama don't fuck with him like that anymore. Like, so I'm supposed to, even your mom's like, yeah, it's relax. You can go take a vacation. Like, what am I supposed to do with you? No, that's not. what his mother said. I know.

It's not the same thing. It's not the same thing. What stands out in the running with Cyril at the ISB? Is there a strong vibe with these two? Is this a situation where we're going to get Oh, Cyril or Tidra? Oh, no.

No. No. Oh, yeah. Is this going to get, or you think these guys are going to find the really, I don't even know how empire people have sex. They're so cold.

It doesn't seem like they enjoy it. 50 shades of empire. It's some weird dominoetrics stuff going. My God. With a picture of the empire in the back, with a picture of Palpatine in the back, you know, they have to salute him before they get down.

How do people in the empire have sex? I'm serious. They're so fucking not fun. It doesn't seem. Well, they start by saying, I want what you want. Cyril was hungry. that was that scene was like disgusting unsettling

made me very uncomfortable and frankly distraught may be distraught to be quite honest with you your just kind of into it though not see you know how trouble you're in you can't see steve you can't pull up to her job you can't pull out outside her job and be like hey I've been I've been waiting for you I want to make something very clear what Cyril does is very not good, not cool. stalker behavior really bad.

Really quick. Five is a five, though. DJ's like, so you've been stalking me. And then my man, Cyril literally just describes stalking. And I'm like, bruh, you're lost, man. I'm not stalking you. I'm just following you around and giving you a lot of attention. I submit that Cyril at this point

is the least attractive Star Wars character in history. Easily. Cirole is greasy. I think Cerell, I think even Java has a little something to him. You know, Jabba's very powerful. You know what?

I need to bring Java into this. Because if I was going to say, what's the sexy feel of Jabba the Hut? He kind of the man. You know what I mean? He's like, he run the block. He run the block. You got to admit.

He won the block. So Jabba's like the Tony Soprano. Like he's not visual. appeasing, but like he runs it. That, see, Steve? Like, is Tony Soprano, like, is he hot? Nah, but he got this thing to him, you know?

He got the juice. He got the sauce. Jada is... Now, I can't with the mouth. Like, what's the... I can't fit to you right now that the way they've positioned Ciro, Jaba is more attractive than Cereal, man.

Jaba. Cyril is such a sniveling. He's revolting. Wait, who's... job whose job is Dr. Melfi then? Whose job? Well, we know who it's not.

It's not Leah. Not Leah. That relationship didn't work out and it was very problematic. Okay, so let's speak. I'm not sure. I never seen Java get down like that. I don't, I don't even really know what the love life of the huts really are.

I mean, he has a kid. I know. But, but, but what I'm saying, I don't know if the huts, do they like spontaneously reproduce or whatever? I have no clue.

Oh, do they're like bud? Maybe asexual? Like they just bud off. Like one of... Could be, but we have to get back on track. Not talking about how Chops the Hut might reproduce. Yeah, but I would say that I looked at Cyril

and I'm like, God damn, this, he's, he's, that scene made him creepier and even more pathetic to me. He is just the, and this is a testament to the acting job that we're seeing. I just never saw a character with less swag in all of Star Wars than Cyril right now.

He's the most vicious hall monitor in the history of Star Wars. I mean, to go one step further, what I think makes it even more kind of questionable is that we see in the beginning or before this, Cyril's relationship and hatred with his mom at how much he hates his maternal figure

and then immediately running to essentially what is his job, and being like, I want you to be my work mommy. There's like this weird tension of like you still want someone to boss him around, which I'm like, Cyril, my guy, like get, get a therapist. It speaks to it that like, whether or not this is like an actual like physical or sexual attraction to Dirdre. There's a connection.

There's a connection because he is so enamored with the amount of authority and power that she holds in the empire because he genuinely wants that. Yeah. wants to be the one that as an asset to the empire. So it's weirdly, like, brilliantly, in my opinion, mixed with a possible physical attraction to her because he is, like, almost fetishizing the power that she has in the empire with this thing that she holds over him.

Like, she got him a proxion. She got him all these things. And he wants more from her. Whether it's actual, like, influence about, like, helping him with the hunt Pocassian, it translates into a bit of a vibe. Can I ask you guys about a specific scene? The scene where they're all in the ISB

and the guy comes from behind, Deidre, and he says, he talks about the fact that Cassian was clean-shaven. You know that? Yeah. Do you feel like she felt a little played in that scene? Like he was speaking out of class? Like that he was speaking out of class,

he was talking out of school, and that's information she would have wanted to give. Did I read that wrong? I didn't read that wrong at all. I think it was more of like Deirdre might have been like kind of stumped with like what the connection was. And we also see in a previous thing that her, I don't know, secretary, I can't remember. I'm not quite sure.

Her admin is pretty well suited for, you know, helping her out because like he's like pretty good at drawing those lines and finding the small connections. And Deirdro seems to be more about action and getting that information out of him because he was like the one is like, okay, we got this rogue pilot that we've apprehended as well. we don't have a straight connection, but he can identify the buyer because he has another one of these things. Like, he brings the reports to Deirdre pretty well, and I think that he had a pretty good connection in that meeting. So I read it completely differently.

I thought that scene was more so, because it comes right after Cyril essentially saying, like, I will be loyal to you until the day I die. I believe in your cause. And her almost being a little upset with her underling being like, whoa, whoa, whoa. you're taking too much credit. And I thought she might have looked at him like,

wait, are you really by my side? Are you really going to be like Cyril? Or are you just like everybody else in the empire who's trying to get one up right now? Which will push her to Cyril is what you're saying. That's what I was thinking. Which is weird because he's good at his job, that first guy.

But she doesn't want him to be too good. She doesn't want him to take too much of the spot. Which is such a great little more villainous turn for her because like in the, like at least in me, like she was, we were starting to root for him. Deirdre a little bit because like she was getting undermined quite a lot. No. Here's the thing, man.

So, so he says this. Cyril says, after meeting you and discovering, you understood how dangerous Cassie and Andor was. Just being in your presence, I, I've realized that life is worth living. A, one of the most

nastiest thing I've ever heard on television. Just absolutely disgusting, right? And B, and I make this comp on, I make this comp on Twitter, just this morning, I was like, it reminds me of Jerry and Roman from Succession. Jerry, you know, she's got the power, you know, she's like, she's in charge of Roman. You know, he's trying to learn, but he's nasty about it. You know what I mean?

It can't just be like normal, like, hey, I'm trying to learn for you. I'm trying to grow. He's got to be like, it's got to be like weird and disgusting. This is like the nasty version of that. Like, I love Jerry and Roman personally. That's my OTP. I love them forever. This is like a nasty version.

But to Charles's point, I could Listen, I love what I love All right, have some respect Charles's point I could see her being like I could, he's a nasty MFer

but I could use him Like I could just turn him to my whipping boy And keep him on a leash He's not gonna go anywhere He's completely, you know, indebted to me in love with me He's not going anywhere He's my lackey, boom

Are we saying that Cyril His new nickname should be freak on a leash. Cyril's nickname is freak on a leash. Wow. The two worlds of music and

Star Wars combined Cyril, aka Freak on a leash. But to Jomey's point, it'll be wild if Cyril gets like too freaky and ends up sending a dick pick to Tarkin. Can you imagine? Are you some sort of sick?

Are you some kind of sicko? Are you so kind of sicko? that is probably not but at the time that I saw that scene I thought that that was the single funniest scene

I've ever seen in the history of television when he's just like I'm sitting there I'm like I'm like how did how did

how did you come up with that face Emmy level acting right there I'm like look at that I'm like That is the, I'm like, I'm howling. What are you laughing at? And I'll run it back and she's like, oh my God, we just laugh. God damn.

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you see him trying to ratchet. He has, okay, so let me back up a quick. Cassian has an understanding of the ethos and the guts of the empire. So he realizes that the empire is not going to be listening to them because he's experiencing the empire or has experienced the empire, I think, in a different way than most of the guys that he's locked up with. But he can't convince them of that.

And even though there's some other guys that are trying to break out, the one guy he really needs to get through to is Andy Circus because he has some of the inside knowledge. And it seems like Cassian's version of the empire and other people who are still trying to hold on to what things. think is the function in order of the empire was kind of a back and forth in this one. And losing the old timer, it was almost, the old timer was almost symbolic of the last shard of belief that some of the guys had in the system that they were in. And once he died, obviously, Andy Circus turned. What was Cassian's biggest fucking role in this particular episode? because it wasn't a Cassian-driven episode at all.

I mean, he spends, like, the entire episode trying to, you know, figure out how to leave, right? He's, you know, sawing something in the bathroom. It looks like he's talking to the homie, like, you see that everything that moves is an electric. He's trying to get Andy Circus. He's like, hey, man, like, what's the deal? He doesn't want to give it to him.

I think this episode for him was finding allies, like finding the ally to get out of here. And, like, again, we get that. seen at the end and we're like yeah it's about to go down we're finally they finally figured out hey we like there's no staying here we die here yeah you know and so that's i think that was his his whole run through this episode i mean i think what was beautiful about this episode is that you're starting to see cassian believing in something where it's like when he was doing everything in all dony nebik was like you don't believe in anything that's why all of the rebels are just

kind of like, how can you survive without really having what you need to take down the empire? And what's so brilliant about him being in this prison is that he's becoming a leader. He's becoming someone who can get people to his cause, who can rebel in a way where like, all he used to care about is get me my money. I'm fighting for myself. I'm out of here. And for this, he's still fighting for himself. But you can see him starting to care about people.

besides him. Like I think it, besides circus, I think he takes Ulf's death hard. He's been trying to keep this man alive for so long. And it's like,

like Diego Luna's doing an amazing job just evoking how this state, this police state can drive someone to finally believe in something bigger

than themselves. I agree. And I think there are subtle things that they did in the episode to push him to show that he's taken

on leadership position. Remember there's one point where he does something and then he gives the credit to somebody else. Yeah. And they weren't even sure that it's like, what do you mean? I did it? And then they were like, oh, good job. And then he looks at him. He's understanding what he needs and how he needs to mobilize and activate people in order to get them to at least not snitch on him if he's doing something crazy. Because he needs to sort of endear himself, to the people around him and convince them that he's a good guy. So whatever crazy shit he cooks up,

they're more likely to go along with it. He's understanding how to not just be a weapon, but how to be a leader. Because we know Cassie Nanderard later on is going to be somebody who is very charismatic to getting people towards his cause. And this is the first time that it's just him.

He's not being run by anyone. He's not being put in play by anyone. He's not doing it for money. this is just him having to figure out how to rally people to his cause. And I thought that he did a good job of that in this episode. And he saw where those opportunities were. A little opportunistic, but he saw where they were. You know what I'm saying?

I think it's brilliantly done because he can see the flames of a sort of like prison riot rebellion happening because of everything that happened on level two because there's all this like, you know, misinformation and confusion amongst all other prisoners and they're trying to figure things out. We can always still remember that Cassian's still that guy that shot somebody in the beginning of Rogue One just so that they knew that he wouldn't snitch. Is he that guy? Is he that guy yet?

He's not still that guy. True. But if you contrast what he's doing just from the job prior, like him being there for money, him being there not really for a cause, but just kind of getting the job done, he's not, he can still. kind of rely on this being about survival.

Like, I need to get out. I need to survive. I need to make this, like, I can team up with whoever. I know how to work and operate people and bring things over to my cause, but his cause may or may not still be with the rebellion. He knows that this is bad. He knows the oppression

and all the types of mental breaking that people can go under. But, like, I'm still curious about where that manifest that he's still kept is because, like, he has yet to read it. He has yet to, like, really, like, fully come bored with it. But I think that this is a very, very good step in his direction to who we mean in Rogue One. Jomey, are you playing on participating in the podcast? I was the one who started

the conversation. Listen, you know what I'm saying? That's the one who started it. Listen, Jomey's in New York. He got an attitude now. Wait, hold on. Let's talk. Let's talk about Jome. Come on, bro. That's not what I was talking about Jomey jumps on the podcast and he's talking about all the places that he'd been to when he was in New York and all the fucking people that he learned. And then he just starts being rude to people. That's not true. He's like, New York has changed, Jummy. That's not what happened. The ladies.

The ladies knocked on the door, Jomi was like, the fuck out of here. He kept blasting fucking ice spice and shit. Like, fucking, what is going on, Jumi? What's happening with you, bro? So, check this out, man. Yo, yo, B, your God.

Yo, B. You feel me? No, listen. You feel me, B? Huh? Son. Listen. Listen, see what happened was I haven't got my Tims in yet. You know what I'm saying? My Puffy came in this morning.

My Tim's is on the way and I got to go down to the lid store to pick up the Yankee fitted extra brim. No, you should do. Jomi, I don't think that you should wear Tim's. I think you're more of a lugs kind of guy. Oh, yeah. Get you some lugs. Get Jomey, Jomey some Berman Lugs. Remember when Berman came out with the lugs?

What the fuck? My brother, like when my friends came in. Those business decisions back in the day. Hey, when my friends came in to my brother's career with the birdman lugs, my brother didn't know what I'm saying, man,

who is this nigga? Hey, bro, get out, bro. He's like, get out, you got to wait outside, bro. You got to wait outside, man. This nigger got the birdman lugs on.

You're so elitist, man. I didn't do this. I didn't do this. I was laughing. I didn't. Just some sketchers looking knockoffs. Let me tell you what my brother's point was. My brother's point was that, you know, we're going to be around like some girls later.

And they're going to think, they're going to think that I got in my crew that rocked the birdman lugs. I don't know your friend. So we got to figure it out. I don't know your friend. You can't have a bird man looks over. Oh, my God. This is our first time stomping around New York. My brother lived there.

It's like, you can't have a. Berman Lugs on, Doc. I can't have the thinking that I fuck with somebody that would have this on. So it's like, that would be a thing to hold on. Anyway, Bermanel. Listen, Cassian is like, at this point, we talked about this last week without Charles, you know, but we figured he'd break out at some point, you know, like that was always, that was always going to happen.

And so, yeah, this episode was just him getting together. You got to get the band together, right? We figured, you know, we see Mel Sheen, Rogue one. We know that they're homies. so we know he's going to be part of the crew. And to get Kito on, get Andy Circus on, that's big time because he runs the joint. He's the man in charge, you know, and so again, we talk about it every week. Like, oh, man, next week's episode, let me fire.

The prison break episode, come on, man. Who dies in the prison break? Andy Circus, for sure. Yeah, Andy Circus ain't making it out of life. Yeah. Keno's gang got. Is the black guy going to die? Which one?

If the black man dies, we have to have a combo. Because every black person to this show has been short for this. They better not kill him, bro. He can't die, though. He got too much heart. I'm talking about the brother that he was working with at first when they was looking. If they kill him, I'm going to have some issues, man. You have some words.

Yeah. That's some words for Tony Girl Roy. I want to know something from Tony Gilroy. I want to see where he was on January 6th. Yo! Come on, I'm just saying. I'm saying.

Why is that to stop the cap? What is that to stop the cap? I want to know because they've been, they've been, hey man, they've been putting, they've been capping. They've been really putting it down on our brothers so far. I need to know. But whatever, bro. Whatever.

That's fine. Mom, asthma. Wow. Ooh. A couple of scenes. with Maratha. Senate scene. She wasn't exactly

making enroads then. I did hear some people shouting out like, listen to her. Long live the empire. It was a long-lived the empire. She didn't even get

a half word out. Shut up. It was tough. Nah. She was turning their lights off. It was like, I mean, I'm trying to hear you.

Yeah. Palpatine. We love you. It was tough. It's tough look for our girl. So, Maria, I want to see the Palpatine's Marjorie Taylor Green. Because you know that they got like one like real, real problematic senator in there that just like. Yeah, that's actually good.

Like, we've never seen that. Like, who would that be? We need to see whoever that's going to be. Palpatine's Marjorie Taylor Green just out there doing all kicking reporters and shit like that. Jesus. I can't get too political guys. I can tell you one thing right now. If you're listening to this podcast and you're a.

huge Marjorie Taylor Green fan. Fuck you. Find something else to listen to. Fuck what it is. I'm about to get into a whole political thing, but I'm drawing the fucking line. So get the fuck off.

Take your ass. I don't know what you need to go. Get the fuck out of here. Mon's cousin, I was legitimately shocked. That was an awesome plot twist. Wasn't expecting it at all. Yeah.

Obviously, Mawn's cousin is Vail. and Vail seems to be the one person to get Ma'an Mothma's kid to show any emotion Wait, can we just say really quick Mon Mothan's kid is the worst. Got the worst fucking life. Like, can you imagine, bro? Like, dog.

We've been saying this for two weeks, man. Terrible vibes. Right. She's like, dad lets me do anything. I'd be like, fuck your daddy. Like, come on. Right. She gets the dress and she's happy.

Okay, Cousinville. I don't know. I almost thought that Cousin Vail was going to be like some sort of obstacle or obstruction, some sort of hindrance. But then I, or then I look, I'm like, oh, shit. Wow. So now we're starting to get an understanding of how Ma Mothma is involved, what, you know, got her involved, and sort of some of the stakes for her.

and we see that she's full of waiver. She is the waiver queen of the galaxy right now. Well, I think this, what it does, making her Mon Mothma's cousin, and we learn that she comes from a wealthy family, is like, you're wondering on Aldani, like, why is she hesitating? Like, why was she so nervous once the plan is finally happening? And it takes everybody could be like, yo, like, do it. is I'm like, oh, this is like,

this is like sending Paris Hilton on like a deep cover CIA mission where it's just like, oh, this is literally her first time. Like she believes in the rebellion, but she doesn't have really what it takes experience-wise. So that was so interesting realizing like, oh, she's like a rich girl that's been thrown into this rebellion, which is why Sinta is like,

yo, can you like get it together? Like, I'm dying for the cause. And to enter her credit, like she's straightened up after that. conversation with her. And she's like, yep. It's like, I'm here now. She uses the exact same line on Ma'amothma that Sinta used on her. She says the rebellions and then we get what's, we get what's ever left. And I'm like, oh, shit, okay.

Girl straightened you out. Monmouth's husband was like, hey, you got a husband? What a dickhead. What the worst? And what is going on? Like, ah, nobody. And it's both the looks that Mon Mothma shoots her after he says that stuff. where she's like, what is she going to do?

Because that's clearly like, just that one look, I'm like, okay, this is clearly the cousin that's not to be fucked with. And she's clearly just playing her role because she doesn't want to ruffle any feathers. And she's in with this espionage bag. And it's an incredibly telling moment when Mon is like kind of concerned about how she'll be behaving and like, tell them like, just take a few days, be a spoiled rich girl for a little bit, let people know that's who you are.

And she's like, nah, Not really anymore. How does this end for Mom Motham's husband? Because I look at two ways. Either my Mothymus husband finds out something and sells them out. Or he's martyred in some way. I have a third way. Or he comes to the defense of Ma Mothamah

before he dies. He's dead, though. He's dead. Oh, I think he's snitching. You think he's, you think he snitches. I think he gets on the verge of snitches. and I think Vell caps him. Oh, Val is,

Vell's going to be with the one pulling the trigger. Wow. And then Mons gonna have like a whole like, oh, God. Because remember, they have that conversation about, you know, Tay and it's like,

yeah, man, your old boyfriend's like, yeah, you know, we went to school together. It's not crazy, you know, but they're spending a lot of time together. You know, I don't know if he'll get jealous,

but he'll definitely be interested in the conversations. And when he finds out that, like, hey, she might be skimming off the top of her money. you know, for the rebellion, that might not slide too well, you know. So I don't know about snitching, but if he finds out, he does compromise, compromise the mission. And so, I bet you if she does, that Val's going to be like, you hate this guy anyway. Like, really quick, could it be Vell or could it be, because we do learn that, uh, that Mons, boy is just like, hey, we got to kind of work with this gangster.

Uh, we got to take some money out. Do you think, do you think the OG is like, hey, man, I need my money back. Popop and kills the husband. potentially. Could be something, but I wonder how they're going to use what happens to Ma'amathma's family to propel her character for it. Yeah, so I'm just wondering,

so I'm just wondering how they're going to use that and like what that's going to signify. If it's in some way that the empire does it, that gives her even more resolve. Is there, if it's, I'm not sure how that's going to go. And that's another great thing about this show is that we think that we know these characters,

we've been so familiar with these characters for so long, but we really don't. And the show is so unexplored, you know? It's kind of like a better call Saul kind of a thing where like we thought that we knew this one character from the beginning or like this one storied aspect of it. But now that we have all of these things in place that we hadn't

seen before, they're like, all right, well, what goes on in the intimate moments like right up to this moment that gets her to where we know she's going to be? I find it fascinating because we're left with no husband, possibly no mention of a daughter in, you know,

Rogue One or anything else. I'm very intrigued to see where this goes. I'm going to be real. This is going to sound cruel. Maybe take this out, Steve. But it ain't no big loss if she lose the husband and the daughter. Like, they kind of dead weight. Did you all just hear Charles?

Wow. Did you guys just hear Charles want to take something out before he even made the statement? That's how you know you problem. Because you know he just advocated for killing a family. Her husband a little too maggot-ish for me. I'm like, come on, bro. like, it's fine. No one's going to miss him.

That's not, not true. They keep, they keep doing this thing. That's not true. You're not, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. They keep doing this thing with Vell. And I'm so, I'm so interested to see where this goes because they're, her and my mom off for having a conversation.

And she's like, hey, Vell, are you going to go see him? He's like, nah, good off that. He's like, you know, that'd be nice or whatever, like, to go. And I, like, I'm, I'd put so much money down. that's Luthan. Like we talked about earlier that Luthan's like relate, they're related in some form of fashion. Although her being Mons cousin is like thrown a little wrench in that.

I don't know how that all works. But I feel like she's got to meet up with Luton at some point. She's just like duck in the smoke for whatever reason. I think that relationship is sour to say the absolute least. And so I'll be interested to see when that occurs, whether it's in the next episode or like in the finale, because that seems like a relationship that is, you know, worth coming back to at some point. Like, they have to talk.

They have to have a conversation again. Mon is getting a little, ha. She's going to the gutter. She's got to get down. She's got to meet what's his name's. Devil Turkin. What's the motherfucker's the name? Instane reaction podcast.

I think it's very telling that, like, she's still, you thought that the conversation with Luthen of like, this is exactly what you saw. find up for would have straightened her out by now, but she's still very, very, very hesitant with doing all of these things. She's still like, she's like, whatever, Tay is letting her know, hey, look, we gotta go some other places, man. Like you all the way in, Ma'an,

you all the way in it. Jump in, man. Tate's in before she is. Yeah, but Tay is a realist. Question, do you guys trust Tate? That's still a question. That's still a question. I mean, look, Tay trusts Davo Scudlin. You know, he's not a banker. piece of thug, but whatever.

I think ultimately, Tay, you know, I think it gets caught up not by his own volition. Just, you know, being in this line of business is tough. And sometimes it comes for you, whether you like it or not. So he might just be doing his routine thing and they're like, hey, let me look at those bank statements more time. And that might be the end of it. You know what I mean?

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Crack. I watch all of these episodes in a row. I mean, yeah. Some people didn't. That's wild. I mean, you do this all in one sitting. It's like an hour plus. Yeah.

Yeah, it's like six. I didn't watch the first one again. but the rest of them spent through. Six, 15-minute episodes that dealt with Buku and Asoka. Just didn't think I could love

Osoka more. But I do. Guess what? I mean, your love for Asoka, I will say, I don't think the Clone Wars did the best job. Like, every other villain got their due, like Assange, mall, you kind of got how they ticked. This is the first time

where I was just like at least a mainline Star Wars. or I'm like, Duke will have some points, bro. Like, Mace ended up looking like the biggest cop after these episodes where I'm like, come on, Mace, really, really? No. I don't. What are you talking about? I don't think that's true.

No. Mace ended up looking like a cop, bruh. Why? Why do you say that? Literally, they land on the planet. Duke is like, all right, let's get busy. We need to figure out what's going on. He sees the corruption.

He's already seeing the corruption through the galaxy. and Mace the whole episode, we should go back and tell the council. And like, Duke was like, nah, chill. Like, we have to figure out what's going on. Like, fuck the council. Fuck the bureaucracy. People are dying.

Like, one of our own died. Mace is like, come on, man, the council will be mad at us. I'm like, Mace, you are the fucking, just the worst, bro. So, first of all, they're Jedi. They technically are, they technically are some sort of police force.

Okay. The question is, do you want to be, the force that goes in without a warrant, or do you want to be the force that does things the right way? Because there's a procedure in the protocol. And Charles, this would all make sense if we didn't know how Duku's story ends. I'm not saying he went about it in the best way,

but all I'm saying is even Yada was like, Yada was like, hey, I gave up my seat on the council because, like, Duku, my bad, it was a little late. You're making some points. We are way too close to the Senate. We have become ineffective. we are losing all of our power, we're straying from our religion. My bad, B, if Yadl is saying like, hey, fuck the council, Duku, you make some points.

I feel like this is saying like, oh, we kind of are seeing that like Duku, he didn't, he wasn't all the way right, but if they had listened to him, maybe they could have avoided the massacre of the order. We knew this though, right? Like, this is the whole point. We have this conversation all the time about like, yeah, Order 66, you know, Papatine. All this happens because the general. Jedi counsel are some dummies, like some real life, like no, no brains in their heads.

Have we gone too far with that? No. Okay. Nah. You can't, you can't, you can't fumble that bag like that. Like, Yoda says, Yoda says we are losing our touch with the force.

Like, this is bad. And he's so ineffectual. He does not know how to fix this. Like, even Yoda's like, yeah, we're straight. That's not what I'm talking about. All right. What are you like? I understand the criticism of the Jedi.

I do. And it's valid criticism of the Jedi, the Jedi. I do feel like we are, Duku kills Yadl entails it from the Jedi. Is you what I'm saying? And we're talking about whether or not Mace Windu is, it was a cop, like you know what I mean? I know the, I know the Jedi.

Come on. Mace, here's the thing. If I have to give, I'm being hard on. Mace. Throughout this whole thing, Mace is so in love with the order and the bureaucracy of the Jedi Order. Like, he's so ineffectual when it comes to anything regarding like, hey, should we be this close to the Senate? Should we be this regimented? Like, he does, he loves, he's like Obi-Wan. They love the Jedi Order so fucking much. They don't see that he's crumbling before them.

I can't get mad at Duku if he goes a little crazy being like, why are you guys not seeing this? Even Quigon, literally, like, the look that Quigon has on his face when he meets Duku, when he's like, the Sith are here, is like, oh, my God, we have strayed so far. We don't even believe that the Sith are back. It's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking, but I think that there are a lot of things that led up to it. I think victory defeated the Jedi. Remember, there were no Sith for, what, a thousand years or something like that.

They were undercover. So I think the victory defeated. I do think that clone was. makes us a little hard on the Jedi. The Jedi are all of that stuff, but at the core, the Jedi are trying to protect the lights out of the force is just doing it in the wrong way. You know what I mean?

So to say that Mace Windu is the cop here is crazy. I mean, he's kind of a cop. They're all cops. They're all cops. They're all cops. They're all cops. But some are more cops than the other cops. Yeah, I mean, we always

Charles is one of those guys that likes when the cop goes off on a hunch, kicks your door in. Stop, no, no. Don't put that on me. Don't put that on me. You know, like, we always end up putting it at Yoda's feet. Like, ultimately, like, it's so like, you was a big man on campus.

He was in charge. The grand master of the Jenna. You know? Question. Now, is, I'm assuming we all love Tales of the Jones. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I enjoyed it.

Yes, a lot of me. It's great. Excellent. Is Tales of the Jedi a little bit more of a deeper cut? Do you have to know some of this stuff that we're talking about right now to truly, truly enjoy Tales of the Jedi? Is it more something that Star Wars is giving us to reconnect us to the fact that we're not getting any lightsabers and any of the stuff that they're putting out?

I wouldn't say so. I think the Assookers stuff may be because maybe not everyone is. seen, you know, all seven seasons of the Clone Wars, right? And like, the last episode, or episode five ends where, you know, the Clone Wars ended. And so if you don't get that reference, you're like, what's going on here? You know, for people who have seen the Clone Wars, you're like, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God. But for the Duku stuff, if you've seen all the films, you're tapped in, you know, like, okay, that's Duku, that's Quigon. All right, like, I'm following. But ultimately, the storytelling is so well done that it should encourage

people. If they haven't seen Clone Wars or if you're like, man, I missed these characters to go back and we watch the stuff and see now how this backstory affected their journeys in the films or previous media we saw them in. I would push back on that just slightly only because

having just come off of Andor where you literally need to know nothing about Star Wars to fully enjoy this. And then we have like a bit of a prerequisite of like, okay, well, this is who Duku is. And if you haven't seen at least two movies, And it would really help if you saw an animated series on top of it to really get what's going on.

I think to the uninitiated, some of this is borderline incomprehensible. Not to say that we can't enjoy it, but it's the fact that like, this is a deep. Like you need to know who Rex is. You got to know who Rex is. You got to know about the political strife that Anakin was going through, like just leading up to all of this stuff. Like there's a lot, like, it's a rich text in here, but you kind of got to do the homework a little bit before. You got to know who Yaddle is. You got to know who Yaddle is.

No, you don't. I had to, I had to quick. I'm like, wait a bit. No, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't. This is, this is her first, this is our first appearance in.

You don't need to know who Yadl is. I don't need to know who that is. You might get confused. You might think that it's Yoda if you're, if you're casual, but you don't have to know. By the way, by the way, it's, I, if you never know who, if you didn't know who Duke who Duke and Quigon Gym was in the kidnapping. of the Senator Sunt episode, it would not matter at all. Right, but I can see how somebody, like, that's not exactly as deep in the bag of Star Wars as we would be to be like, wait a minute, so do I need to know who this is?

I think I kind of agree with you, but I don't want to overstate it. Right, because I constantly hear this because only when I'm trying to sell somebody on Andor, they're like, ah, I'm not really that into the Skywalker's skywalkers or getting to know about Jedi. And I'm like, you literally need to know nothing. And that's the easiest way to sell somebody on something. And if I were to sell somebody on Tells of the Jedi, I'd be like, well, it's about Duku right before he turns. And if it's before he turns, he has a problem with Quigon being his apprentice. There's a long story to like kind of like... But the only problem is that they finish the narrative.

Like you see Duku, yeah, you like you see Duku and you see that he's sort of a rogue. You see, that's why they have Mace. You see Duku as a foil for Mace. And then we carry that out all the way until Duku turns to the dark side. So, you know what I mean? And I just think that it's a bit more of a cell to somebody who maybe just got off of Andor, let's say. I don't know. I don't think so.

I think the Duku, again, the Clone War stuff, the Sookin stuff is tough because you would have to see Clow Wars. And again, that's seven-season television. That's, you know, that's hard. Duku stuff, if you've seen, you know, attack of the clones and Revenge of the Sith, you're good. You're locked in. Like, that's different. I feel like it's easier to be like, hey, Watch episodes 2 through 5 or 2 through 4 of Tells of the Jedi.

If you've seen everything Star Wars related, then you can watch all of it. Sure. And I only make the unfair comparison of like, well, that's two movies less than you'd have to see if you were to start and or today. Yeah. You know, I understand what you're saying. I just, I looked at this and they worked pretty well. Right. Yeah.

For somebody who's in deep in the bag of like us, like, oh, yeah, we love this. This is great. I like Baby Asoka. Adorable. That was my least favorite. That was my least favorite favorite episode. I'll be on.

Sure. But it's cute. It wasn't least at all. Really? No. It was cool. It was cool. It wasn't least at all.

It was, Asoka tamed a wild beast and she is Jedi. It wasn't least at all. Y'all niggas are least. All right. The episode wasn't like, I don't like when people

don't connect to things and don't feel magically as touched as I am. That bothers me. You look at us different because we weren't crying. Wait a minute. That's, I look at you different. Right.

I look at you different. When we didn't cry because baby Asoka was on the screen. First of all, I did, by the way. That's the top tier Star Wars baby. It was a top tier Star Wars baby. Ranked the babies of Star Wars. Baby Yoda overall. Baby Yoda.

Baby Asoka. No, not. Baby Asoka number two? who's better than baby who's number two then BBA8 BBA8 doesn't count as a baby He's a little baby

He does not Yes he's like he's like Artis because his acronym is BB It doesn't make him a baby Not a baby Not baby We got baby Luke You got baby Luke

Baby Leia Baby Leia Can't be top three Baby Lou baby Lou baby Leia These are the babies These are the babies The Babies Oh and then you got

The Baby Louie of Jabba the hut? That's the last. Red is the last. He's the last. From the first episode. I rank B2 emo as more of a baby than BB. I see, see, I think B2 emo is a little baby child. I like, I like him. I like him. He reminds you of an old dog,

an old dog that's like dying and doesn't have ab bald. Good God. Jesus Christ. I love mine. Wait, can I just say something really, really quick? Anakin is the fucking worst. Anakin is a sicko. Because for Anakin to be like, you know that Jedi test that's bullshit.

I'm going to have you do this test where... I'm just going to have people turn their guns on you. They were on stun. By the way, I got sick of watching her get fucked off. Yeah, it was like days worth of shit.

Bro, years. It was good. And he realized what Order 66 is. Does he know? Because he doesn't know what Order 66 is yet, but he has some idea. He's like, man. He just didn't like that drill.

He said that drill is not, remember, Annikas with the 501 and they're in combat situations. And he's like, that's not real. You know what I mean? I got that, but it's just, it's sickle behavior. He's the worst type of coach where he's like, all right, get her back up.

I'm like, wait a minute. He saved her life. What are y'all talking about? After he put it in barrel, like you don't get points for that. No, it was on stun. It was on stun. No, no, no. He doesn't get points for preparing Asoka to survive Order 66.

if he is partially responsible for artisans. Of course he does. He still does. He does not get points for that. He does not get points for that. If I teach you, if I, wait, of course he does.

How? If I teach you how to swim, I still get credit for you being able to swim if I push you in the water. If you teach me how to swim, but then you tie a cinder block to my leg and throw me into the ocean, you don't get points if I survive.

If I teach you how to swim, and I push you in the water and then you, swim. I still get credit. You know, oh my gosh. Yo. By the way, by the way, everybody else, most

other people who weren't Anacin's paddle on, by the way, you guys made me watch the entire Bad Batch movie and the shit, Bad Batch is crack. I should have watched it before. Yeah. Bad Batch is great. But Batch is great. Everybody else was getting clapped.

They were getting clapped. No, I understand that he prepared her for Order 66, but he just got get points for saving her life if he's partially responsible for being one of the people being like, aren't clothes, it's time to kill the Jedi. It was funny, but we got to disagree because she literally survived because of his training with.

There's no other way to spend that. I mean, yeah, like, she's no other way to spend that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what she's saying. Like, she's dead. Yeah, he survived the trap that he helped set. Nah, it was really more Papalteen anyway. He ain't even about what it says.

But what do we see in Revenge of Sith? What do we see in Obi-Wan? Antiquette was leader. He's like, all right, here are the. This is where the kids are. Let's kill them. All right. This is where the people are.

I get it. I get it. But come on, man. You know what you know is bullshit. I think this series, especially the last few episodes, you know, helped me realize, like, how, like, how awesome Osama Soka is, like, real talk. You know, she gets put through the gauntlet by Anakin again, like, you know, and comes out. She's like, hey, man, she's lasting long of, like, five months.

minutes. And even she's like, these aren't battle droids don't even work this hard. Like, what am I doing? You know, just like, hey, that's what the level I need you to be at. And then in the last episode, when she goes up against the Inquisitor, no saber, just fists, just hands and puts it to them in not even two minutes. Which, by the way, again, my Inquisitor agenda. Inquisitors are sick. Like, stink.

I'm watching that and I'm going, how are they going to, how's this going to go? Soka has no lightsaber. You know what I mean? She's there. She's living the way. People always go out to a farm whenever they lose their identity. Or when they're in hiding.

When they're in hiding, they always go out to like a farm. They start, you see somebody. Wanda. You see somebody they're pulling the, they don't want people to know who they are. They're pulling a plow. They got a hat on, like real low. But why are you farming now that you don't want to be known as a so. But she goes out there and it was literally three moves, not even three.

She destroyed him. The Inquisitors are ass. I'm telling you, bro. I'm telling you, again, I've had this. It's like the Jody Meeks, Kendall Marshall, Lakers back in the day, bro. Like there's some real bumps out there, dog. Some real bumps. Every time we see them on scream, they're getting punked by somebody, man.

Jody Meeks somewhere coaching this kid. and he just felt a stick in his side. Why? New York has made you so mean, Joe. Johnny Meeks is like somewhere just like, you know, doing humanitarian of the year stuff. And he's like, ah, what just happened? Jesus Christ.

I see it, a quiz around script. I'm like, hey, that's Ryan Kelly out there, bro. Quick, can I just say really quick? Why is there always somebody on a farm? Like, Homegirl finds out that like Assoca's a Jedi. She has to know at least that there's no more Jedi out. She's like, all right, you're a Jedi. I'll keep your secret.

and I'm like, why are you fucking yelling? Like, why are you telling the whole fucking world that she's a Jedi? Listen, and this, I really like this episode because it showed that snitches, you know what I'm saying? When you snitch out of turn, don't get rewarded. You know what I'm saying? He was like, ah.

But when you snitch within turn, like we just said, Jomi, you'll get a Baja blast. Of course. Get a Baja blast. You know what I'm saying? That's negotiations. You can't snitch, you can't just call up the police, but like, hey, I got a Jedi out here. You feel? You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't do that because she almost died. If Asoka had, see Asoka better than me,

I'd have been like, hey, that's what you get. Stop snitching. You know, that's what happens when you're trying to get. Jody Meeks, here he is on Instagram with his two twin babies daughters. Yo. Just living his life.

Look at it. Look at a devoted father. Look what you doing. Good for him right there. He's playing teacups with his kids right there. I appreciate the 40. You scored against the thunder that one Sunday. That was great.

That was fantastic. It's not going down like... Did we learn anything new about Asoka's character during this? I know it's not necessarily that we had to learn anything new, but did we learn anything new? I thought it was fantastic. I thought seeing how Asoka got sort of re-engaged into rebellion was fun. That episode might have been my favorite.

Let's do that. What was everybody's favorite episode? I think the episode where Asoka defeats the Inquisitor comes back, you know, after just seeing her have to, you know, not let people know who she is, seeing Bill or Ghana come back, seeing that kid, seeing people go back and forth

about what they think about the empire. I like that episode. What was everybody's favorite episode? I mean, my favorite episode was Duku Yadal, because I think it illuminated something about the character of Duku and the lineage of all those Jedi

where you have Duku and KuiGon, then you have Quigon and Obi-Wan, and then you have, you have Obi-Wan and Anakin, and how essentially like Anakin is on the same path, but inverse of Duku, where they both are characters who are falling out of favor with the Jedi. They don't believe in what the Jedi stand for. They see the corruption in the Republic, and they are so upset that they fall prey to

Palpatine and seeing Palpatine do the same thing to Duku that he did to Anakin in this. I was just like, oh, like, this is just a cycle. a cycle of not only the Jedi's failure, but these master and paduan relationships, not seeing the dark side that is so close to them. I loved all of those parallels.

I got to see. I got to agree. I liked, I was particularly fond of the Dukukku Kwaigon showdown. That was really great. Showdown in the town. Like that was just like a great Western episode. That was just like a great little

slice of Quigon learning something and then Duku's beginning of a turn about corruption and all of these great little moments like that I think was probably one of the best like you can go in absolutely blind and still very much enjoyed this episode

because it's just a master and his apprentice trying to figure out the best way to save a town and like bring back this senator's son and it's a really cool way to do it and like cool showdowns in Star Wars are always awesome really quick, Steve, going off that episode, if you're a Jedi and you see, like, your master use the force choke, you got to press the red button.

You got to be, come on, man. You can't sit on. You got to be like, hey. All right, what was that? What was that? You know, at Jedi lunch. Question, you guys ever, guys ever see your master force choke anyone?

Oh, just me? Eat and everybody. Like you just tell that to the other Padawans. Everybody just, everyone's you? Like, why do you ask, Quaghan? I don't know. I was just, you know, wondering if that's, if that's something you've ever seen here.

I heard from somebody else here. It wasn't me. Yeah. But somebody told me one of my homie said, his, his master used the first choke. So I was just interested to see. Yeah, just wondering if, has something changed, you know, in the protocols, are we allowed to force choke now?

No, not that I've heard. Huh. Well, interesting. And Duku, although Skywalker did force choke somebody, but, you know, he was kind of dark. He was a Skywalker. So he was like, the fourth show,

he did it right in front of him, too. I'm like, okay. Quigal, you don't want to cut his fucking arm off or something? For me, my favorite episode was, I agree with Charles. It was the Duku Yaddle episode. I think for me, like the scene that, really solidified it for me was

Duke in front of the tree. Just talking about how, you know, Quaghan was born on Corsont, you know, only new metal of his whole life. So this was a slice of, you know, dincture or something he had never grown up around. And, you know, that he was one with the Forge now.

Instead of he'd do. And that was, that was the moment. He was like, I can't, there's no coming back from this, man. I lost my guy. This is, this is who I am now. I've made my choice. I'm out. I was like, wow. Did you guys notice, and shout out to Voss for pointing this out.

Shout out to everybody over at New Rock Stars, Voss, M.T. all of you guys. Did you guys notice that when Yadl was standing and keeping the gear up or whatever the thing up? Oh, yeah, that little smiley face. Yeah, the little door. That Palpatine covered his face. Yeah, from the light. No.

Palpatine covered his face. because, well, yeah, from the light, but Palpatine covered his face because nobody knows that he's a Sith Lord. Yadda, he's a senator. And so if Yadl, if Yadl sees Palpatine and then somehow survives, then she runs back and tells everyone,

oh, excuse me, then Yadl runs back and tells everyone, hey, that guy's a Sith Lord. So it was like a little details in there. I fucking love Star Wars. Can I ask you while we're on, Yaddle? I was a little like, wait, why don't you have the little freak voice like Yoda does? Why are you talking like a normal person? Like, is Yoda just like a little like?

He's a weirdo. Weirdo who's just like I talk about this because my race does. I just, I decided one day I want to talk like you. I just have some grammatical fun with the way I speak. Think Yoda is old. Like, imagine if somebody like grew up in the 1600s, they would, they would, if they were alive today, they'd still talk like it was he old jolly england you know what i'm saying so is yaddle the young intern where she's like good is a little nasty oh get him with her she might be a little younger but

i don't know oh get the oh we got to go bro i don't like right like oh right all right um can we do i know it's not in the rundown but can we do a real quick midnight meter for tails of jenna oh yeah sure yeah i love this short form stuff I hope they do more of it. Yeah. Let's start with the men boys. I would give this a seven. A solid seven.

Really, really fun stuff. Like a tiny bit disjointed, but like some really cool stories in there. I liked it a lot. I liked it a lot. I think you do need a lot of foreknowledge going into it to enjoy it, but if you're tapped in, you're tapped in, and you'll love it.

So for me, the Dave Faloniverse, only expands and man is killing it right now. I'm going to give it an eight. Really, really, really enjoyed it. Wow. It's eight? Crazy? I'm giving it a strong nine.

I enjoy it. I'm giving it a nine, too. I really thought that this was some solid ass fucking TV. Yeah, I'm giving it a nine too. The seven is fucking crazy. Wow, right? Listen, what's happening? You're the little guys.

The mid boys are becoming little haters. Well, I've been gone. fact that the men boys are becoming the fucking stink team or something like the mid boys they're like the you guys are that was crazy man like a seven

Steve orino okay I like this Steve I like dark Steve. Dark Steve. Dark Steve a seven for he got into my coax dash all right Steve I thought it was a nine thought it was a nine as a matter of fact

I would like 30 minutes I would like a fool Tales of the Jedi That was my thing I need multiple seasons I need multiple seasons That was my thing

Like I wish we would have got like You know Instead of like the 15 minute chunks The 12 minute chunks Like 30 minute Like if we got like 6 30 minute joints

Who It would have been a 10 Like honestly I would like Dave Filoni's making a soka I know I know Can you give him some time

Nah man I want tells For the Jedi Kela of Doom. I want all of these different. I want all of my Jedi. Because we, there's an agenda out there. Oh, okay. It's being pushed by some of you guys

as well to turn their backs on the, to turn their backs on the Jedi. Whoa. Oh, my God. You guys hate the Jedi. No one is a Jedi. It's history. You guys hate the Jedi. It's history. It's history. You guys hate the Jedi. You guys hate the Jedi. Oh, please. Faloni,

Faloni is probably an undercover Sith that who's, whose, whose goal is to make everybody hate the Jedi and to see the Jedi cast in historic, heroic light

besides Duku. Again, it's fun. I love the Jedi. Van, you have to remember, the path of the force is a power that some may consider to be unnatural.

Okay. Shut. Just shut up. All right. That is it. loved it. A lot of stuff happened. We're in a good little Star Wars space right now. Oh, yeah.

Great stuff. Oh, yeah. Great stuff coming. Tell you, man, we're going to three-pe. We're going to get this. This is fire. You know, we got a little love for what you tell us the Jedi. The next year, Mando, Asoka, Real Cinema.

It's back, baby. Star Wars is bringing it back. Yeah. We'll stop right there. As it wrapped Friday, the House of Arr gives their deep dive on the latest. episode of Andor. It's just been a long time since the program and reminders on the show closed with this

thin. It's always like, we got Chehole. We got Andor. We got this. I know, right? It's just like, weirdly like, okay. It's like, well, okay. We got a break now. One thing. Cranes, our producer, Steve, the architect Alman. Jomi, Diner on is on socials, hashtag

Jomi Thotum. The thotum of Jomey. Jomey's out there in New York right now. Letting it hang and slang. We see. We're wearing his bird man. The bridge 70 degrees outside, you know.

It's nice. Additional production from Arjuna, Ram Gapal. Chuck, take us out. Tales of the Jedi was amazing. Cyril, can you please stop asking if you can get a hug?

Just remember, folks, never walk into Vance household, wearing some fucking lugs. Who had the best hair of the original trilogy? Solo? Billy D. He's got to be. Ah,

it's probably Billy D. Yeah. He had good hair. Yeah, that was good hair. On to close second. Hansa, Let's look right now.

Wait, did y'all ever see? I don't know if this is true, but I saw it on Twitter that like Billy D, the Rolling Stones and like Han and everybody, like before they go to Cloud City, they got fucked up the previous night and they were high, like, bunch of them were high that entire scene filming it.

Oh, like the actors were? Yeah, the actors were. Oh, okay. They were on some, like, 70s drugs just like, what's going on? Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Leah had the space buns.

Those are nice. I think Leah's got to have the best hair, right? That's an iconic hair. I think, I think it's got to be... I think it's got to be the best hair. I think we got to ask this question to the audience. Nah. But I think these are the hair, because I don't even put chewing.

in there. Well, he's all hair. I mean, that's a that's a loaded state. Nah, dog. I'm talking about, Chewy got a hairstyle up top, though. What do you got on top? What do you think he got on top? Hey, look at Chewy. Bring up Chewy right now and tell me if Chewy don't have a, Chewy got a hair style. Yeah, but like

Chewy and Solo was looking real raggedy. Chewy styles it at the top. He got the slick bet. He got the slick bet. All right. So wait, let me ask you this. I think this is tougher. What's the worst haircut is Star Wars? John Boyega having no shape up. for the entire Force Awakens

or Anakin with the braid. Charles, like, you didn't even let us finish our hair conversation first, bro. Like, you're so jumping on the trigger. Let's do it. I don't know. Anakin with the braid was terrible. John Boy, Anga, I can't really...

Y'all, nobody has a line in Star Wars. We have to get over this. No, we cannot. We cannot, bro. We cannot. Again, again, there's no barber's stuff. stops like in space like that. You can't put a khyber crystal in some clippers and like get the nice and clearly

clearly no. Like what? That's why do you think why do you think Mace is bald up top? Yeah, they don't care about Mace was like I'm not going out with the rest of these nings. You know what the four? You know what happened to Mace? The force cut his hair for.

The force was like the force was like, nah, we got one black Jedi. He was like, nah, bro. I'm not going out looking silly, bro. As soon as he, as soon as he got his chiber crystal from the gathering, he lost all his hair because the force was like, I can't have you out here looking like the rest of these niggas they have out here at Star Wars. It's facts. Talk to him.

Like, ask Mace about it. But no, I mean, Anakin's hair and attack of the clones was terrible. But then he rebounded with some really great hair in Revenge of the Sith. Revenge of the Seventh hair was amazing. Revenge of the Seventh. Anakin had the hose on the run. And Revenge of it. I told you out the story about us going to see the movie and my friend freaking out

over Anakin when she was there with her boyfriend. She was like, ooh, Anna. Zick was like, what? That white boy? I was like, hey, bro. They like him, bro.

You get you a lightsaber, bro. Wait, can we put Queen Amadala's cultural appropriation haircut in a phantom mess up there? Is that a cultural appropriation haircut? Let me see. It felt a little, it felt a little when she was doing the kind of like

face painting, the white face paint. I'm like, this is kind of weird. I mean, this is what they do on Nabu though? Like, this is a Nabu thing. I don't... See, you know what? Here's the thing about her. Yeah, her hair is always dope.

But it was so bun adjacent. She was like... They're clearly doing the, like, a twist on the Leah thing. Yeah, she was on Leah's block a little bit. But it worse, though. Wait, what was Leah on her block technically? Nah, I'm talking about the way she really went. Not the way shit went.

We're talking about the reality. Wow, that's a quote. I'm talking about the way shit went, not the way shit really went. No, I'm talking about the way shit really. I mean, we all know that, oh, it came place before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm talking about the actual chronology of movies being made. And so we know who was on.

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