The Ringer-Verse - 'Andor' Season Premiere Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: September 21, 2022

The Boys return to a galaxy far, far away and give their thoughts on the three-episode premiere of the highly anticipated new show 'Andor' (05:24). They later discuss the character of Cassian, the characters he surrounds himself with, and what makes this show so special (34:08). Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Addition Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Before we get to program of reminders, Steve wanted me to say something to you guys. Before the podcast, Steve said, Hey, Van, you know, there's a lot of new people coming to the feed. And you need to make sure that they know exactly what it is that we do here on the Midnight Boys.

Boys. You were trying to be a gatekeeper about that shit. What does that mean, gatekeeper? You were trying to gatekeep. There's new friends who are listening to the pod now that it's Game of Thrones season. And you were just like,

nah, they ain't welcome to the party. and the rest of the midnight boys are like, no, open the gates. I never said that. I never said that. Jomey, wasn't he being a little bit of a gatekeeper? I mean, he didn't say that, but he definitely scoffed. He scoffed. So this is why I scoffed.

It's not about being a gatekeeper. Obviously, we want as many people to listen to the podcast as possible so we can get the man, get to me, get them. All right, but the reason why I scoffed is because, hey, man, we're the boys. There's a permanent welcome sign on the outside of this digital house. Come as you are. Come on in. We react to things.

Take off your shoes. Yeah, take off your shoes. All right. Don't track no outside in my house because black people, we just, we don't like outside. Don't track no outside. If you come in smelling like outside, you got to take a shower, you know? Your shoes off at the door, though, kind of guy, right? Shoes off at the, yeah, I am.

Okay. But I also let Bozeman, I do some unblack thing. I don't let Bozeman jump into bed. Boseman jumps in the bed every single day. You're a pushover for Bozeman, so... I love my dog. So anyway, but at the end of the day, it's a good idea. If you have never listened to Midnight Boys before,

we are fun, we are raucous, and we love this content. So we're going to be doing an instant reaction today. To a show, we're going to talk about a little bit later because we've got to get to the programming reminders first. Okay, Thursday, Min Edition returns. Min edition, if you guys didn't know, that's Jomi and Steve.

All right, they're together. The two guys right here, so I can explain to you guys how it goes, the two guys right here that are producers on this show, but they are also talent on this show. They also have another podcast called Mid Edition. Okay. And this Thursday, they're going to break down an episode of Sheehawk, attorney-in-law. And it's going to be a big one, right? Because we expect Daredevil in this episode? Those are the projections.

Allegedly. Allegedly. Uh-huh. Allegedly. Charles, you fired up for She-Hulk? All right. Don't ask questions you don't want the answers, too. Let's get back to programming.

Friday, the House of R. That's Jonah Robinson and Mallory Rubin. That's a different podcast here on the feed. Our better. Smartar-Hare-Hare-Has. Our better halves. We'll be diving into the fifth episode of Rings of Power, which I still haven't seen.

I haven't watched one second of it. Okay? Close-minded. Not one second of Lards of Power. Haven't seen it. Sorry. This Sunday Talk to Thrones is back again. It's Chris Ryan, Mal,

and Joe give you their instant reactions to House of the Drag-in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right after the episode is done. that I am loving. The last episode of House of the Dragon was the messiest stuff I've ever seen. A lot of departures from fire and blood, but the messiest stuff I've ever seen.

A lot of snitching. A lot of snitching. Snitching, telling jealousy the whole thing. Have you ever had a Sir Kristen Cole in your life, man? Yeah, hell yeah. That probably means that you are not the Kristen Cole in your own life. If you said no, then you are the Kristen Cole. Yeah, I've had a Sir Christian Cole.

I can remember his name. This guy I called him Scooter Boy. Scooter. Oh, no. In college, you used to ride around on a scooter, try to get at my, look, scooter boy. We're moving on, Scooter Boy. I don't know what you're at right now, but you know who you are. If you hear this scooter boy, I'm still on your ass.

On today's show, we're giving our reactions and thoughts to the big season premiere of Andor. The moment is finally here. we're going to begin with our inaugural Andor spoiler warning. Here's the deal. This is an instant reaction show. However, because of the temperament of the internet, we feel compelled to let you know that we might spoil some things. Even though we are talking about the show,

you're here to listen to us talking about it. It's crazy. Everything from all of Star Wars and the first three episodes of Andor is on the table for discussion. So if you happen to be listening to this and you don't know that Anakin Skywalker turns into Darth Vader and is the father of Luke that might be spoiled on this show. Steve Runnerspoiler warning, please. We're getting ready to talk about Cassianander. You're listening to a reaction podcast.

The spoilers are coming. Enough of my voice. It's time to turn it over to Charles. Holmes, who's going to give us the Midnight Manifest, talking about all the things you need to know about the first three episodes of Andor. Going to be long. I might go get a snack. All right. This is the Midnight Manifest for the first three episodes of Andor. Andor is a two-season show separating into 12 episodes each, which operates as a prequel to 2016's Rogue One. The 24 episodes are separated into chunks that deal with various stages in the life of Cassian Andor and the rebellion.

The show is created by Gilroy, who was brought on Rogue One, to creatively overhaul the film when it was in creative trouble. If you want to learn more about Gilroy's thoughts on the show, I can't recommend the watch his interview with him enough. It's right up on the watch right now, so make sure you listen to that. And the first three episodes are written by Gilroy and directed by Toby Haynes. So we begin. Cassian arrives at a brothel on Marana One, looking for the first. his sister from Canari to sentry guards from Morana corporate give Cassian trouble. They try to rob him after he leaves the brothel, but after the robbery is botched,

one dies in the scuffle and Casson kills the other before fleeing the planet. Cassian goes back to Therick's, his home, where he sleeps off the night and has a dream about his childhood on the planet Canari where he and his friends witness a ship crash. Cassian is awoken by his droid, B2 emo, and asks the homie to say, he ain't seen him. And he makes up an alibi for himself and tells his other homie, Brasso, in case he anyone comes looking for. Cassian goes to his friend Bix and asks her to contact their buyer because he's trying to unload a very rare, untraceable NS9 Starpath unit he stole from the empire. Bix calls

her supplier for Cassian, and then Bix co-worker in intercourse buddy, Tim Carlo is suspicious of Cassian Bix's relationship, and after following the two, misreads the situation and with all his big hater energy calls Primo Authority after seeing a bulletin looking for a Canari resident for questioning. At home, Cassian gets into it with his adoptive mother, Marva, who has seen the bulletin, and wants to know who else knows he's from Canari. And our B plot, number Lana, one, Cyril Karn, the deputy inspector of Premor Authority, is devastated when his superior. Chief Hine tells him not to worry about the death of two security guards because A, they were terrible at their job and shitty people, and B, because the Empire only wants

to hear that the crime rates have fallen, which makes their company look better. Cyril starts digging into the case while Hine is gone and Sergeant Linus Mosque hypes him up that he's doing the right thing. Cyril gives a pep talk to the troops going to hunt down Cassian and this is where he realize how out of depth Cyril actually is. Now we have some flashbacks running through the three episodes on Canari. A child Cassian sees how his home has been turned into a mining planet. Alongside a group of children, Cassian goes to the ruins of a ship where they find wreckage and dead inhabitants from the crash landing. The leader of the group is shot by the last surviving member of the ship and the children kill her murderer.

Young Cassian has a tantrum in the ruins of the Republic ship as he grieves his friend. Two smugglers, Marvin and Clem, arrive on Canari to steal from the ship. When they see Cassian having this tantrum, Marva kidnaps him because she's like, yo, the Republic is going to come here. They are going to kill him for what him and his friends did to that Republic officer. Then, all of these plot lines start to converge in the third episode where the corpos arrive on Canari and begin to hunt down Caskian, lootin, a member of the Rebel Alliance, meets Cassian in a warehouse and realizes that he has what it takes to be a great asset to the cause.

Then Cassian Luthin outmaneuver the corpos, and in the process, Tim dies at the hands of the security force. He calls to capture Cassian, and a grief-stricken bix cries over her corpse. While in a flashback, young Cassian wakes up in the ship with Clem and Marva sees the sun and embarks on this new life. That has been our first midnight manifest for this season of Ames. Andar. Sorry it was kind of long, but this was three episodes of TV. Really good TV. Back to you there.

Thank you, Charles. That was a somewhat competent midnight manifest. Let me tell you got something. A midnight manifest for three episodes, man. That was a midnight. There's a lot of names. There's a lot of names that I kept looking up. I'm like, what the fuck is this game?

It's true. I'll be honest with you. Damn it. I already said it. I'm trying to stop saying I'll be honest with you guys. Anyway, let's get into Ann Bear. Okay, three episode. premiere.

We're going to be focused on what we feel right now. Start with you, Chuck. Start with you. This is what people have been waiting for. They watch and listen to this podcast. Charles, what is your instant reaction to Andor? They call me Coke baby Chuck. And for months, honestly years at this point, the product's been stepped on.

It ain't been giving me the same feeling. It ain't been giving me the same vibe. But boy, the God Gilroy, that product was sweet. It hit my nostrils. I'm tingling right now. Okay? This is what I want. This is the shit that I like that I've been praying for.

Andor is quite possibly one of the best shows I've seen on Disney Plus and one of the best shows of the year so far for the three episodes I've seen. I've been waiting for a show where if it's going to be based on IP, I want to see something that is this beautiful to look at. is this considered. The characters, you can tell they have an interiority to them. They've been thought of. They have a life that they were living before we got to see them.

You can tell every single part of this TV show has been just so intricately thought of. I thought and or honestly just blew past my expectations, really, because I think for the things that I've been, been complaining about for so long is that like just because it's Marvel, just because it's

Star Wars, just because it's DC doesn't mean it has to be lesser. Just because it's a TV show doesn't mean it has to be lesser. And hey, not every show can have Tony Gilroy writing it and overseeing it. But I do think that we saw with this that like, yo, you can make a TV show on this scale that really gives us the promise of when we go to the movies and we see a Star Wars movie, we want to be transported. And I was just, we're going to talk about it throughout this episode. But this really just gave me that magic that I've been waiting for in a show. I can't, like, say enough about it. Hmm.

Look, I think we were all together at Star Wars Celebration when the trailer of the show dropped. And there was an audible, like, moan from the audience. A very sexy moan. Yeah, like, we're looking at what we're seeing from Andor, and we all went, ooh. because you could tell there was a palpable there was a thickness to the images that we saw on the screen

voluptuousness yeah there was a there was a moistness dare I say right but no the show was able to take on just even just aesthetically

right because we didn't get very much plot we got almost no plot we didn't know the backdrop we didn't know what the setup was going to be. We knew that we were going to explore the beginnings of casting and indoor, but we didn't know, especially, specifically, shall I say, what that jumping off point was going to be. It just felt important. It felt important. It's like when you're

watching a movie like the Born Identity or other of those movies, there has to be this kinetic energy that's in the air. You're not just moving from set piece to set peeps. This happens, Lucas White. This happens, Lucas White. This happens Lucas White. This happens Lucas White, right? Like, the show has managed to keep this energy moving forward. this sense of danger, this sense of doom, the stakes seem high for every single character, which is impossible to do. It's impossible to make a show where everyone seems like the stakes are high for them.

Somebody's just got to be along for the ride. And in the first three episodes, this is very few people that don't seem like they're driven by some very specific trauma or some very specific motivation to do whatever it is that they're going to do. And we don't really even know yet. All of this set in, in the Star Wars world.

The vastness of the world is well conveyed. The wonder of the world is well conveyed. And just the hopelessness of how some people feel. They're scrapping. The scrappers in this. I thought it was absolutely excellent. Just I don't have enough words to tell you how great I thought Andrew was Mitt Boyce. I keep thinking about, I love this, first of all.

I think this is absolutely like, it's the thing that I've been waiting for, it's the thing that I've wanted Star Wars to be for so very long. I keep thinking about how, like, almost nothing Star Wars about this show has anything to do with it being a good show. The show starts off with a guy murdering two corporate cops in a shakeup gone wrong,

and he's got to figure out how to get out of this situation. Anything that happens after that, just so happens to be wearing a Star Wars jacket. It looks like the things that we've kind of been familiar with, but everything else about this show is kind of, for the better, not to dunk on anything that we've seen prior, is an antithesis to what we've seen in Star Wars before. Nothing looks like this.

It isn't shot like this. People don't talk like this. I could probably count on one hand the amount of times that I've seen an alien species in these first three episodes. it's all very grounded and human and intimate. Like you talked about high stakes, Van. I think that these stakes are very intimate stakes. Like, there's always like a small thing that every single person that you see,

like, you see what they come home to after work. You see what they have to deal with when they fight with their girlfriend or lover. Like, those things set in a Star Wars universe absolutely enthralls me. And I can't, like, possibly gush enough about how. great the show is. Jomey, what do you think? I mean, heading in, the gas was nuts. Everyone was talking high praise. And I didn't know.

I was like, I mean, I hear it. But can this really, will this really live up to what everybody's talking about? I mean, be honest. It restored the feeling. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was cinema. Let's, let's be honest, you know, to like Steve said, you, you get in there. And you're already locked in. The show starts the same way we met Cassian in Rogue One.

He's putting bullets in people, right, off the rip to get away. For the sake of it, not snitching. Right? And you're immediately just tapped in. And there's such a groundness and a realness to the series where I was, I haven't been locked in from the jump. It's like this soon. I can't in such a long time. Like I can't remember.

It was that good, that soon. And honestly, man, like, I don't know, man. We would, like, again, the gas has been crazy around the show. I can't wait to see more. I just, I can't wait to see more, man. This is excellent television through three episodes. Like, that's all you can really say about it. This is excellent television so far.

I have never seen the Midnight Boys like this. This is beautiful. This is monumental. No, no, no, no. That's not true. That's not true. We've been like this before. It's you.

Oh, wait a second. Hold on. Hold on. Here's a thing. Wait, wait, wait. No, no, no. Don't come at my taste level.

Don't come at my taste level. Don't come at my taste level. I'm not coming at my taste level. I'm not coming at your taste level. What you just said was, I've never seen the midnight boys like this. Charles, you're in pain right now. I'm not in being.

I'm not being so effusive. I know that you are. I've been on cloud, cloud fucking nine. Charles. I saw them screeners. Charles. Charles. Charles.

there's something broken inside of you that wants to come on here. And you want to know what? You want to know what mended it? The god, Gilroy. You mended my broken heart. Let me tell you something that I like about Cassie and Andrew, right? Because Star Wars has this really quaint relationship with their flawed characters.

Let's take the original flawed character of Star Wars. Who was the first flawed hero that Star Wars ever gave us? Han. Han Solo, right? Okay. So we, besides shooting Grito, right, we heard kind of like about what a scoundrel Han is. I've said this before. But Han does the right thing at every turn.

Han never does the wrong thing. Right? We've seen he's, he flirts with it. But when you need Han Solo, that handsome son of a bitch is going to be right there flying the falk into your rescue, right? you know, no matter what. And the things that he did do, they're not of like,

I don't think anyone questions the morality of shooting someone that's trying to capture you and bring you to Java the hut, you know? I think seeing what a broken person, Cassidy and Andor is, and he's not, he's really broken. He's not great. Like, he's really broken.

The things that he had to witness as a child, like how he got to to where he was in life. The station of his life when we see him, he is really, really just thugging it out. And then he's on the run from the police. The police, by the way, which are the same everywhere. Like these guys are police. He's the mall cops, really, for the empire.

Everywhere, right? And so seeing the beginnings of this character who's going to take his life and making it to something heroic in this shithole of a galaxy, It's, I just, they couldn't have done a better job. Like to me, they couldn't have done a better job. Going off what you said, though, I think Star Wars has had this issue for a while now where those first original movies were introduced to Han and were told all these stories or someone

like Boba Fett. You're told all these stories where you're like, this is a badass, this is a broken person. And I think because Star Wars has to appeal to so many demographics, adults and kids all over the world, you know, Boba Fett over the years as like different canons get like delegitimize all these things, Boba Fett becomes a little less badass. He becomes a little less of a like of a villain and becomes more of like a cuddly anti-hero. Like that's just what has to happen because you want to sell toys to kids. Andor to your point, when we think about everything that people are saying about him,

this is like peak spy shit where it's like, He has the same weakness as Bond. What is Cassian's weakness? Everybody's like, yo, you're loose. You're running around with women. This is going to be the fucking death of you. Like, is somebody hunting you down? We know that this is someone who's so talented at what he does.

But he does have a weakness. When everybody was talking about how much, like, he loves to run around with women, I'm like, oh, no wonder he was giving the eyes to Jen or so in Rogue One. No wonder he was like, no, I can't pull the trigger. Like, I, like, and you see it happen. It's genius when he's on Canari. You see.

the girl that he has a crush on that he follows and you see her get murdered and you're like, oh, this is kind of like the first, this is the loss of his innocence. This is how everything starts. This is why he tells Bix that he's from Canari.

This is why he has such a like soft spot for all of these women in his life. I'm like, they do that in three episodes. And it teaches you so much about Rogue One, but it teaches you so much about who he is. Absolutely. All he does, He's suffered so much loss. You wonder how a person like that feels whole.

Like what makes them feel whole? What gives them purpose? What gives them drive? What gives them motivation? I'm telling you, the scene between him and Stelling Skarsgar, what's his character's name again? Lutthin. Lutthin. Lutthin, Lutthandthalaga.

The scene between him, you can see. I love situations like that. In every movie, there's always a handler or a big wig that recognizes your talent and sees your potential as a weapon. He's looking at him and he's saying, you know what? This guy is so fucking ill. If I can just give him something to believe in, if I can just give him something to believe in, we got a hawk on our hands. And that scene is so amazed. It's like, forget about the box.

I'll give you a thousand if you tell me how you got it. Because I want to know if you're as good as you think as I think you are. And if you are, boy, do I have a mission for you? Boy, do I have a lifestyle for you? Boy, do I have a goal and a responsibility for you? And they were able to take us on that little mini arc in three episodes. Come on, man. They cook it.

They're cooking, Jomey. When Cassian says, you just walk in like you belong to steal from the empire, what do you need, a uniform, some dirty hands, and an Imperial toolkit. They're so proud of themselves. They don't even care. They're so fat and satisfied. They can't imagine it.

That someone like me could get inside their house, walk their floors, spit in their food, take their gear. I was floored. Like, not only is that some of the best writing I've ever heard in Star Wars, we never get to see this layer. We're always, you all, they always talk about the rebels. they always talk about what the empire is doing to these people, but you never get to hear how they feel about this,

what it feels to be subjugated, and for an imposing force to act like, you're nothing. And what that line does to me is, like, think about it. It's one of the biggest tropes that you see in Star Wars. They dress up like some stormtroopers, they sneak in, they get into some shenanigans, and you're always like, how does the empire keep letting these people sneak in? And with one line, you realize they're like, oh, because they're like that lazy.

And they think nothing. They absolutely think nothing of these people. They don't think that they will ever be toppled. And I think like they do that in the course of three episodes. They teach you so much. Let's play Spot the Star Wars. In the first three episodes, did you see the insignia of the empire? Yes.

Yes. Like once. It's on the box. In the first three episodes, did you see the Jerry? Jedi. No. Not even a word uttered. Don't even exist. In the first three episodes, did you see any stormtroopers? No. No. So it makes sense that the Jedi wouldn't be around. They got fucked over.

It's not a lot of them, but they always find a way to shoehorn one into the story. But Steve has it here in the document. I think it's a good point. I've asked you to see you. Do you think that for some of the diehards of Star Wars lore that the fact that this scene, so removed from the familiar things we're used to seeing from Star Wars will be an issue for them. We know that there's going to be some star destroyers

in the show. We saw them in the motherfucking... Yeah. Yeah, no. And that remains to be seen for the rest of the show. But I think for these first three episodes, it's also a pretty good metaphor as far as, as far as how far away Cassian is from this fight. Like, he is the farthest thing from

not even a Jedi. but like associating with a stormtrooper or being giving a shit about what the empire has to do like he is so divorced from a sort of like political ideology or a sort of like feeling of of of centrality with like a sort of like rebel alliance that like you know he's off world to where that like the stormtroopers aren't even the cops of that system it is the rent a copse that the empire outsources for their midridden plans. By the way, brilliant to bring in a new force that we haven't seen before. Because the empire's new. And it's like, okay, well, we're still like trying to get our grips on everybody. So we got to like pay some rent a copse for some other systems. Also, I never thought there could be someone lame, more lame than the storm troopers.

But you see these guys, you're like, oh, yeah. You literally are the rent a cop. By the way, real dumbies. They're just killing these motherfuckers, Jomey. Yeah. So many of these guys get murked out. I actually, to be honest with you, I felt kind of bad.

I felt bad for them. I felt bad for them. You didn't feel a little bad for them? No. Jomi. Jomi, you didn't feel a little bad for them? Acap. I'm not, I'm not really there for that,

bro. It was not sliding. No way it was slide. So let me ask. Seriously, Cassette did kill somebody. Two people. All right, whoa, whoa.

Again. So, hold on. Whoa. Let's be very clear. They were literally trying to run his pockets. They were literally trying to run his pockets. They started that shit. The dude, the dude got caught slipping.

Like what, like, what is he supposed to do in this situation? They're not supposed to be there. Here's the thing. It was an escalating situation. Like, he accidentally kills one guy. And then the other guy's like, okay, let's stop. Okay, we're going to figure this out. Like, he slipped and he fell.

Don't work. And then before he even finishes the story, he just kills him. Kills him. So if one was an accident, two is on purpose. So the premail authority, the corpos, let me just give you a second to give you my small case for the corpos and then we'll move on to Cassian in the specific trouble that he's in. But it actually ties in. It's not like the corpos weren't supposed to be after Cassian. He did kill two people.

Now, he's our hero. But I'm watching all of these guys get killed and they're doing some fucked up things. killed a guy in cold blood when they're on the planet the, uh, they're basically just like the police. Like they say, hey, walk up, walk up, walk up. Then they just shoot you and whatever. But it's not like the stormtroopers.

You can't be a knob, bro. You can't. I can't believe. Van really on this podcast defending the police. That's wild. I'm not defending the police. Joe Biden sent you some talking points. Bro, Van, where were you on January 6th, my man?

What's going on? You know where I was at, baby. You know what I'm saying? Can I also say something really quick to the point about like... You don't feel a little bad for them that they're... No. No, stop asking. I don't.

They're out there just actually trying to... Because shouldn't Cassian turn himself in? He did. All right. Van, you are like five seconds for being like, but good apples, right? There's some good apples. No, they're bad. But look, I mean, this is a bigger conversation.

I don't want to see people... get killed while they're trying to do their job. You know what I mean? I just thought I just looked that out. They should have been there. None of them shouldn't have been there. Guess what, Jome? Because that's what the,

that's what the boss says. He's like, listen, these guys were in the wrong place. They were in a brothel of they shouldn't have been able to afford, drinking shit. They shouldn't have been drinking. They should, that like,

they messed with the wrong person with, they said dark features. They messed with a person with a human with dark features. And then they pissed off the wrong person. Everybody could have went home, but Detective Dipshit had to go and start snitching. Yeah, yeah. you're right and they they all content affair but like the dudes that just and i guess they give us

some backstory into like the guy or why he's so gung-ho and all of that stuff i'm okay i'm just saying so before we move on i did want to ask you this fan in like a meta-sense we're talking about like and or and they're not being that many star wars elements tony gilroy has like been has been real especially when he was filming rogue one that he did not give a shit about star wars he does it's not something that he really just cares about. Do you think that that's kind of what gives and or that freshness? Because sometimes I feel like because the people who create new Star Wars are so enamored with it, sometimes they can't have a 360 view of like, do we need this? Does this serve us? Or is this just the thing I've been wanting to see as a kid for so long? That sometimes I let the other things

fall to the wayside, like the writing, or like, what do these characters do when there are not like samurai with laser swords fucking running around? Who are the less important people? Yeah, I think that sometimes a frustration with some of the stuff that we get from the universe. And by the way, you know, we're saying this a lot. I was one of the people that enjoyed Boba Fett for the most part. I enjoyed Obi-Wan for the most part. I just think that there were highs that we thought that those shows were going to be.

going to get to and they didn't really get there. I think that's kind of what we're talking about. And I think when we're watching this show, we feel a connection to it that maybe we didn't feel with some of these other characters, which, unless in the TV iterations of them, which is peculiar because we've been following them for so long. I think we're really judging and or based on a newer standard, right? A standard based on no standard, right? but when we're we have expectations for boba fat because we've waited so long to see that character get his own shine we had expectations for obiwan because uh you know we we fell in love with the character 20 some odd years ago uh shit 50 some odd years ago uh to your point yeah i think that you're right i think what we've what a lot of people ask for and why a lot of people why a lot people love rogue one is because they were just saying just tell your story just tell your story just just just just just i

I take a good story and then tell your story. If you tell your story and it's good, I promise you everything else works out. And to your point, Charles, it feels like sometimes they don't have faith in either us or the lure enough to take the chances that you need to keep something this deep fresh. So I would agree with you.

And I think because Gilroy is a little removed from all of that, he doesn't care. Jolmi, what do you think? I think Tony Gilroy is doing an excellent job of doing the same thing like, you know, not to say that you know, it's a copy job or anything, but the same thing that like the Winter Soldier did

for the MCU where that film, it's a Marvel film. Like, you know, it has Captain America, it has comic book characters and all that, but it doesn't feel like a superhero movie. It feels like an action spy thriller. It feels like something

that's completely different from the superhero movies we're used to. And that's what Rogue One and, And very, very much this series feels like. It's definitely Star Wars. We know the Empire's there. We know that they're building the big giant space laser in the sky somewhere.

But especially these first three episodes, it just feels like we're in a different world with the same elements. And that's why this show works so well. Want to support your gut health? Take Activia's Gut Health Challenge by enjoying two Activio Yogurt today for two weeks and see if you feel a difference. With billions of probiotics and 20 years of scientific expertise, Activia is one of the easiest and tastiest ways to start your gut health ritual.

Try Activia today. Enjoying Activia twice a day for two weeks as part of a balanced diet and healthy lifestyle may help reduce the frequency of minor digestive discomfort, which includes gas, bloating, rumbling, and abdominal discomfort. We've talked a lot about the world that Cassian's in. We've talked a lot about Cassian. Let's talk a little bit more about it right now. Who do you guys perceive Cassian and or to be when this show starts?

Who is he? in my opinion, he's kind of a fuck up in a lot of ways. Because, like, and taking away the fact that he killed two people, the fact that when he comes back to Farrix, and every single person in his life that he's interacting with is like, what the fuck do you want now?

Like, is it money? Like, who am I lying for? Like, you got to, like, I got to borrow somebody from something. Like, you need 200 credits now this time. Like, it's clear that he's not been, like, so much burdensome on everybody else, but he's clearly not the one that's pulling his weight in a world where

everybody's got to survive. And his way of surviving is kind of leaning a bit too hard on everyone around him. That's crystal clear when it comes to those beginning episodes. And when we come to the end of this third episode, those cracks are starting to show we're like, oh, this is what he actually cares about.

Or this is what he can care about. And this may be why he's doing the things that he's doing because there's so much like shitty oppression that's been happening so that he doesn't really care that whole much about fairness. Right.

He's a victim of the empire without actually being able to put it, put your finger on the fact that he is a victim of the empire. He's transformed by the world that he's living in. Charles, what do you think? I think the thing that's so genius

is that what Gilroy is doing is he's making, he's using a lot of spy tropes. Think about it. Cassian is a man without a country. He's a man without a planet. His planet has been destroyed. His people have been destroyed.

He's been taken away. Ferriks is not really his home. He has an adoptive mother. And it seems like his adopted father was strung up in the square by the empire. That's what it seems like. The other thing that I was also confused about is that while Cassian has no love for the empire,

the reason that Marva and Clem take him is because, yo, they just killed a Republic. It was the Republic. And I was like, oh, okay. So not only does he have no love for the empire,

yo, the Republic was not much better. It's not like he's like, let me restore the Republic. Because that's how we usually see a lot of the rebels were like, yeah, remember the good old days? There were no good old days for him. He was chilling on a planet and it was fine. So you have this

child who has no planet anymore. His history has been destroyed. His people have been destroyed. He's not fighting for anything. And that's what I think so much of this show is going to be about. Because when he meets Luther, to your point then, Lutheran is like, this is like a piece of coal. And if I shape him, he can be a diamond. But to shape him, I have to give him something to fight for. I need to give him something to believe in. Because if I don't, he's just, he's running around causing fucking mayhem, and that's what we see in Farrix. It's like, if you leave him alone, he is going to cause mayhem.

And that's what I think I loved about these first three episodes. Jamie, who was Cassie and Andor to you? Cassie and Andor to me is, you know that dude who every time like he come around, like you with your friends and then Edd would come around, you're like, oh, bro, bro.

Like he steals your chicken fingers and doesn't eat with you, he leaves? Ha ha ha. Yeah, something like that. You know, like, every time, like, he goes to the shipyard and he's changing the chip ID logs and the dude's like, man, you can't come by no more, bro. You're a problem.

Every time they show up, it's something to deal with. You know what I mean? The dude stops in the streets like, hey, bro, I need my money. That's the muscle on him, the dude who just wants to stand there. You know what I'm saying? Even Brazo saw him for the first time. He was like, Brad, Cassie. Brow, what you need, bro?

bro. Bix is annoyed by seeing him. Don't even get me started on Tim. Tim can't stand that dude, right? Yeah. Now, Tim will be a player hater, bro. Well, we'll get to Tim later. We'll get to him. But everywhere he goes, everybody's like, just, just dude. I'm not trying to see this dude.

You know, so ultimately, him leaving, you know, probably best for everybody, but the same time, like, he was just a guy who nobody's wouldn't mess with because he didn't have his stuff in order. Do you guys remember in Phantom Minis when Great Mark's, movie.

And you guys remember in Phantom Menace when Padmey says, I didn't realize that there was slavery still out here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, she goes, well, yeah, the Republic doesn't exist out here. We're just doing our thing. You know what I mean? So that to me tells you that this show could be an indictment, not just of the empire itself,

but of a failure of systems to do. do for people. And in Star Wars, the promise of a new republic was always the promise to do better even than the old republic. When I say the old republic, I'm not talking about the old, old republic video game fans. I'm talking about the republic that we got a chance to get to know during the prequels. You know, and so it seems like there were a lot of people who weren't, you know, in the mid-rim and the outer rim who weren't really feeling the stability of the real.

that either. So we get a chance to get a whole 360 view of the universe right now. Right. Really quick, too, I want to go off what you just said. They say in these episodes, what do Bix and Cassian do? They bribe quartermasters to leave shit from the empire on these ships that they can strip and then sell to the rebels. So what that tells you is, is that the empire ain't working for everybody. You could be working for the empire, and They ain't paying your bills. So they just literally like, all right, yo, like, hey, just sell these to the rebels, which I thought was so genius because in Star Wars, you always just think it's black and white.

Empire is bad, you know, rebels good. And in this you're just like, yo, the empire, like, working for the empire, like, we knew it sucked. But like, dog, you ain't even getting paid for the shit. Yeah. That's wrong. Stuff. Stuff. Okay, so let's talk about some of the other people in Cassie and Andrews world,

some of the supporting characters in this show. The one I'd risk it all for it. Marva? Biggs, bro. But Marva could get it too. Okay, let's talk. Okay, we're going to talk about bix. We're going to try to control ourselves.

Okay. We're going to talk about bix. We're going to try to control ourselves. Everybody here knows the vibes. You've seen the show. Okay. So let's just, you guys, we're mature adults here. You should definitely not be saying this, man.

I would say you say this. Anybody should not be saying this. This shit, bro. We're mature adults. We're going to talk about Bix. I'm going to, you know, I'm going to go crazy. Bix and Cassing's relationship. What's going on there?

Oh, they used to be an item. Like, you could tell. That's why Timmy, that's why Timmy hates that motherfucker. He's just like, bruh. It's the X that just keeps coming around. But what I love about Bix is that you can tell their relationship between Bix and Cassing at this point is that like Bix is skimming off the top. And like she's getting mad at Cassie and being like, yo, you had this like really, really expensive tech that could change our lives and you're not going to share it with me.

Cassian's like, yeah, don't start with me. Like I know what you're doing behind my back. And that's what I think is so interesting where it's like Bix has our own interiority where it's like she's trying to survive. She's running game with the rebels and the empire to make a living. And that's what I like where it's like a lot of Star Wars heroes that happen to be women. And sometimes I'm just like, you know, this character is not a three-dimensional character. And Bix from the get-go, you're like, oh, Bix doesn't need Cassian. Actually, it seems like Cassian is almost like a thorn to her side, which I love.

I love the character of Bix. It was brilliant because literally the first time we see her, the first thing she says is like, what? Like he shows up and she's already annoyed. Like it's plain as day on her face. and like already like you know they're like okay now I know why they broke up now I know why he's like living in like a shack of a shelled out ship trailer like it's not going great for those two uh like I love and but I love the fact that there's like just enough tolerance to be like all right we're like I'm figuring you out like if you could just get your shit together like you can be like a decent thing in my life and he constantly keeps scraping by for her and like she's like she's she's still constantly annoyed by it. I really just loved it.

I don't want her to exist just to be, like, annoyed or trod upon by Cassian, but in the events of these later episodes, her trying to actually help him, regardless of, like, that initial intent, like, still brings a lot of trouble for her and him. Oh, by the end of the episode, I mean, I think that's the,

by the end of the third episode, when you see all the people, Well, they've all been activated. That whole shot, everybody has been activated. Every single one of them now, the stakes have just gone through the roof. They have now, now it's real. Castings on this journey. Bix has just been assaulted by the authority of the galaxy.

You know, Marlva's lost the sun, basically. Tim is dead. Bix's boyfriend. He gets shot in episode three. Rest and piss. Let's talk about Tim real quick. You can't do that. Don't defend him, bro. If you defend him, Van, like, come on, bro.

I love hearing this. Can we just talk for a second? All right. Okay, listen. I don't want to always do the thing where you guys are like, oh, V, Van, Van, can we just talk as brothers with the Midnight Boys? Let's talk for a second. Tim is wrong.

Okay, he's definitely wrong. I'm looking through his girl's phone. All of that stuff is wrong. All of that stuff is wrong. It's all wrong. But, oh, my God. How many bixas are in the galaxy? If you get one.

This isn't the angle that I thought you go. So here's a deal. How many- You please land this plane then? So you think about it. He's in there. working in the shop, you know what I mean? He sees what's in the galaxy, right?

He sees it, you know? A lot of aliens coming through. Steve, it was a couple of aliens in the show. There's some aliens. A lot of aliens coming through. A couple dealing with people. And then all of a sudden, one day, you know, Bigst touches your hand,

and you're like, oh, is she? Is this? For real? And then, boom, here comes Cassie. This is your only shot. It's not going to get no better than this in the whole galaxy. This is all you got. I'm not saying he was right,

but I'm saying, I know guys who've played themselves for worse ladies, and I know ladies who've played themselves for worse men. I know a lot of them. But like, so, so, so I'm saying, you know,

he played himself and he got what he deserved, but maybe he felt like, yo, it's bix. Look at his bix. Yo, can we play stop the cap, Steve? Like, nothing you just said was like. Wait, no, no, hold on. Here's what I think he's trying to say,

I think a man's trying to say, I don't condone the behavior, but he understands. I don't understand either Here's my thing Man Like I say this

Dog You can't be dating a baddie And then not Like have low self-esteem Brough Like you gotta know You gotta know Everybody in the galaxy wants bics

Like dog Like what are you doing Like stay in the fuck Up my bro Like come on man We see this all We see this all the time There's no pressure defense

There's no Listen Can I have You just went home. Y'all acting like, see, this is my trial. You know, I watched the episode. Did you guys watch the episode? He's standing at the bar.

He sees them have their moment. Instead of him being a man and stepping up and going like, being a man now. Hey, Cassian, my brother, I need you to take two steps back. Right? He goes and talks. He goes to the cops. He goes to snitches. You can't do that.

That's bad behavior. Jomi, you can't. That's bad behavior. You know me you can't But question If he would have survived the shot With Big still would have been with him Nah

Hell yeah you saw you saw how she's crying She looked like she would have still been with him I don't think so Bro she looked like she still would have been With him to me She was very upset She was crying over that corpse bro She was very upset

Him blowing up Him blowing up casting spot Could have blown up her spot Right So at some point you got to be like Hey man you can't do it She was mad at him When she found out he snitched

She was like, hey, bro, I need some time. We got, I got, she ran and go get Cassian, bro. When she found out what was all going down. He did it all to himself. He did it all to himself. He definitely did it all to himself. There's a key interaction in like the very first episode and the first scene that they talked to each other where it's Tim and Cassian where he does the right thing where he's

like, yeah, she always seems to be pretty upset when you keep coming around. You know, in his defense, like he is right. Like, like he keeps bringing problems with him. And he's like, he's like, like, well, I guess you got to find yourself a less complicated woman and walks off. Cassie hitting him with that shit. And then, and but like that, to that point, like, that sticks in him so bad that he, like, it carries him throughout that entire arc all the way to his demise.

Like, that insecurity, like, could have been left at there. Thinking about who you got to be for one man to tell you one line and for you to be like, yeah, I hate this man. I'm going to get him killed. That's crazy. I'll be honest with you. That's crazy. Never, never could be me.

but the more I looked at Bix throughout the first, I was like, I mean, everybody's lamed out for a chick before. Y'all, y'all never lamed out for a chick. No comment. Oh, wait, wait, can I ask you a question? No comment. I'm not incriminating myself.

Why are you asking that on the bond, bro? My lawyers will be in touch. Yo, can I ask a serious question, though? Do you think this is a case of Bix was fucking around with Cassian and a bunch of ancient motherfuckies? And she's just like, yo, Timmy's a squire. where, but like, that's exactly what happened.

I'm just settling down. Like, I can't be like fucking around like these broke-ass motherfuckers anymore. She's Sierra, you know, Cassie and his future. Oh, she went up front of her Russ. She went up front of her Russ. We got to move on. We didn't turn into the worst type of podcast right now. Shout out to Barstool.

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You guys know how much I like, you know, white ladies that kidnap children of color and then raised women. All right. We were supposed to be on our best behavior this episode, bro. That was a rescue.

I don't know. She could. She could have left you, you know? Yeah, and he'd be dead. I'm not going to lie. It was funny as hell because Clem is a brother. He's like, dog, do not kid this motherfucker, bro.

What are you doing? Like, keep this kid on this way, bro. It's a sentient being. You can't just like, he doesn't speak the language. It's like the blind side. You know what I'm saying? It's like, it's a whole, like, what's happening here? Wait, it's really crazy when she brings out the tranquilizer.

I'm like, dog, you can't. You can't do that. She trained him. This little kid, bro. She tricked. I know, first of all, it worked out. Everything's great. We love Marva.

The beginning was rocky. You went on another planet to steal stuff, right? You found a kid, and you were like, I'm going to hit him with a drowls thing and take them back. It's tough. But having said that, she loved that baby. They clearly have a very strong bond. What do we think of Marvel? What's heartbreaking is, is that you keep learning small things throughout these episodes,

like when no one's around, Cassian's friends check on her. They must be going through dire straits because her heat isn't on. Like, they're definitely on hard times. And you can tell, like, Cassian's an adult, but he's still staying with her, probably because financially he needs to. But it also seems like something happened in her past, potentially Clem getting. killed, that broke her a little bit.

And it's kind of fascinating to see how much Cassie needs Marba, but also Marba really needs Cassie. Very true. How long, just can be, how long do you think it took them? It seems like their bomb was pretty immediate, even though I'm making fun. He wakes up on the ship. It didn't look like his life on his home planet was too awesome. he wakes up on the ship

and it seems as if their bond is pretty strong from the get-go. You guys, like, this is a clear mother-and-son situation, right? I would say so, yeah. Also,

but it also seems like there isn't the planet, it's a mining planet. So that planet doesn't seem like it's going to be long for the world in terms of just like, it does get destroyed. There's that huge shot of like a cavern

like just absolutely excavated from his home planet. And he's, like, stunned as a child. Yeah, yeah. It's all bad. Let's talk about one of my favorite droids ever. Favorite name for a droid ever, B2 emo. My like to nash.

Emo, are you kidding me? Come on, bro, bro, and he is emo. The droid is emo. I love this joy. This droid capture my heart. He gets sad. Like, he's like, he gets sad when Cassia leaves. Like, I'm like, he can't lie because it takes up too much power.

Oh, the cutest motherfucker ever. And then when the little alien peas on him and he like zaps the alien. B2 emo is so sick, bro. B2 emo is the man. B2 emo, like, I felt like he was scared of them. I was getting emotional. Like, he was scared of them.

And he was going to confess to where Cassian was because he didn't want to be hurt and he didn't want them to hurt Marvin. Then all of a sudden they hit a calm. I'm like, don't fucking hurt B2 emo. You know what? I changed my mind on the cops. like this is the whitest woman thing you've ever done

because the cops be killing by all fuckers in broad daylight and you're like, oh, listen, listen, good apples. The minute a cop hurts a dog, you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, the cops are out of fucking air. You're not wrong about that. Like, I look at you different if you hurt dogs. I'd be honest with you. You're not wrong about that.

I wish you were wrong, but you're right. I got a little bozeman over there. little puppy. Oh, if anybody touches Bozeman, oh, it's going to be a problem. The corporate security force.

Do you feel the, what do you feel about the corporate security force? The stormtroopers and Star Wars are always made to be just kind of an obstacle to slow our heroes down.

These guys seem to be the main force hunting it, hunting them. And in this particular episode, our main antagonist. What do you guys feel about the corporate security force, how are they being portrayed? The corporate force, watching these three episodes two times, I think something that beautiful

that I kind of thought about thematically is that Gilroy is actually talking about policing because we never actually get to see what policing feels like in Star Wars. But with the corporate security force, the first time we see them, the woman at the brothel is just like, yo, they're like, they're glorified, you know, bike cops. but they walk around like they're the shit. And even their boss, he knows that they're corrupt. They're not supposed to be at the brothel. They should not have enough money to be drinking what they're drinking.

And when they get to pharynx, you see that these people have this intricate system to warn everybody when the cops are here. And what I thought was so beautiful that Gilroy does in this episode is it's like, what are the corpus fighting for? The empire doesn't give a shit about them. They're not really prospering under the empire, but you see with the sergeant, you see with Cyril, that they want to impress the empire

and they believe in the corpus so much that they will sell out an entire planet. They will kill innocent people. They will destroy a town. And at the end of it, they have nothing. They've gained nothing from it. And if that's not the most direct kind of connection to what policing is like in the United States,

I don't know what it is. Because it's like you will do, cops are supposed to protect the people. They're supposed to protect the towns and the cities where they are employed. But so often what are we fighting for in the states? We're like most of the cops, especially in New York,

don't live in the boroughs that they're supposed to protect. The corpals don't live on pharix. They're not here to protect the people of pharix. They're here to protect. to corporation. And that's what I thought was so genius. They're here to protect something else. The same thing that people here on earth are very transparent about what it is that they're protecting. They say it all the time. Order. Law and order. Property. Yeah. Order. It has nothing to do necessarily with people

protecting and serving citizens or what's best for them because if it was what's best for them, you wouldn't execute people in front of all those people like the corporals did in the broad daylight in the middle of the town, right? But they're there for order. You believe in order. The empire demands a surrender to order. Every time you hear them talk, you know, even when it was the guy that I can't remember the guy that Zach Braff played in Obi-Wan.

I can't remember his name. What was his name? Shank. Fink? Oh, yeah. Yeah. He goes, nothing wrong with the little order, right? You know, when you hear the emperor talk about power, it talks about order.

We can bring, like, we can be order to this terrible galus, all of this order, order, order, the way things should be through one person's lens, one person's view, not the voice of the people, the will of one, the will of a few. Like, what we need to protect. It's clear that Cyril believes in that. He believed in it so deeply that he refused a direct order.

He was told not to get your ass involved, but a very, very subtle thing is done in that scene. I hope everybody caught it. His commanding officer is looking at him, and he asked him something. He's like, did you have your uniform tailor? Yeah. Like, did you have your uniform tailor?

He's like, yeah. Because they don't, a little bit, they don't fit like that. Yeah, never forget. He's in some baggy shit. He's in some baggy shit, right? Because everybody else that puts on that uniform, it's not their entire life. He wants that uniform to fit, not who his job. He wants that uniform to fit his son.

soul. It means something to him. It's a part of him. You know what I mean? So he wants it to look as good as possible. He's proud to be doing what he's doing. He is a true believer in it. And he just didn't have the capacity. He didn't have the strength to not go get who he thought killed those people. It just wasn't in him. For me, like that entire arc, like, Like from the captain talking to him about what he should do versus what he shouldn't do and him going to do it anyway, just reminded me of the wire. Like that first scene with Cyril and his boss, and his boss is basically like, listen, I'm going to go meet with the bigwigs, right? It's like Borel and Rawls, like, listen, I got to go up to the bosses and tell them that there's no crime out here, bro. Crime rate is down. A crime right. Like, he's trying to juke the stats, right? And you got, oh boy, Cyril,

McNulty. I was calling him McDulty, like, the whole time. Because he's like, for show, I hear you, appreciate you. I'm going to go get these people that committed to crime. And you're just like, no, man, like, this is not what you're supposed to do. They even have a conversation about overtime, right? Who's going to be for overtime? Oh, it's supposed to be this dude.

Da, da, da, da. It just reminded me of, like, the later seasons of the wire. in a way that I was like, oh, snap, this lines up pretty good. Like, I was, I was really tapped in. He stinks. Like, he's a bad human being, but at the same time, like, you can see the parallels. You know what's crazy about Cyril? Cyril blew up the Death Star.

He did. I mean, yeah. Cyril, Cyril, Cyril blew up the Death Star. Like, I love shows that really examine how little small things turn into gigantic things. If he doesn't do what he's doing, who knows? knows if Cassian ever finds himself as an ally of the rebels. Who knows? Maybe he does.

Maybe it was inevitable. But who knows how long it takes what it does? But all he needed to be was activated. Do your shit. Don't like this guy Cyril. And I can tell he's only going to get worse. Do you see the look on his face at the end? Because he was kind of a sniveling coward motherfucker to be honest with you.

He's all his own people. When he's doing the big speech, they're looking at him. like, bro, wrap it the fuck up. You are not in fire my spirit. I was running circles around him. Yeah. Right? He came in there.

He was like, sir, da, I was like, oh, man, we should be listening to this guy, bro. Like, he should be in charge. My stocky king right there. The corporate security force comes to Ferris. All hell breaks loose. We get a shit ton of action in episode three.

It feels like that's the beginning of, of the identity of this show as something that deals in war. Yeah. The tone changes a little bit. Like we've talked about the stakes already, but also it was like very funny. Kalika comes into the room while I'm watching this and she goes, oh, is this the new show? And I'm like, yeah, yeah. She goes, that looks just like Roe 1.

That's what she's, that's what she said. Oh, yeah. She said it looks just like Roe 1. I'm like, yeah, it's the same people. Yeah, okay, I should know he's from, but it looks just like it. And it felt just like it, that feeling of chaos and, like, I don't know, like almost like a dramatic fuse was burning and you don't know when it's going to blow. God damn it, I love it. Can I also say something, like on a technical level, what I think Gilroy is actually shown that a lot of these other series need to take into consideration.

Yo, we hear all the time about these TV shows. yo, it's like a movie. Like, I was thinking about this, like a movie. And what I think Gilroy actually shows us is that, like, yo, if you get a series, if you get 12 episodes, what he does in this first three is it's like, yo, this is act one, act two, act three of a movie. What I'm going to do,

it's like, I think it was actually genius that they split it up into chunks. Because what they actually are allowed to do is that it looks great because we're not zipping around from planet to planet to planet. He gives us a couple, of places, he lets us see everything about it. The scenes that I love are like when the construction workers are waking up and it's the wall of gloves and they're all taking the gloves or when you're

in the command center of the corpos and you're seeing everything. I'm like, oh, all of these other shows can take, can kind of take this where it's like you have one director for three episodes and we're just going to chill on a couple planets with these couple characters and we're going to make you feel it. And that's what I actually think is genius about this, is like, if you think about it, they didn't actually go that many places. But I felt like the world was so rich. I was just like, oh, this world is so expansive. I want to know what every single person. I wanted to know what the kid with his, like, what the dude with this kid was doing who let Bix go up and like contact the rebellion.

I wanted to know what every character was up to. You're bought in, aren't you? Nah, come on. You're not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. You're bought in. You're bought in. For me, for me, this, like that last part of episode three,

I can't even put into words how excited and interested I am for that, like, for that bit to come back into the series. That is, I love spy movies over that whole thing. And that scene where he's got his gun to Cyril's head. And he's like, how many people? and Luther's like, I kill him, man.

Let us do it now. It's like, oh, no, we got, how many people, da-da, and then they use the speeder, you know,

get some more corporals killed, and then zip off on the little bike thing. I'm like, this right here, this is what this is about. Like, you know, all the,

everything else, like the world building, the characters, I loved all that. But seeing them escape the warehouse, you know, set charges, oh, we got to go through the back,

that it, forget the box. All that, all that, I loved so much. I honestly, if like, if there's more of that this series, you know, and a lot more of that,

hopefully for me, I don't know how I'm not gonna love this thing. I don't know how I'm not gonna love this thing. Wait, none of us have actually said, I think one of the most fire quotes when Luthan's like, rule number one, never carry anything you don't control. Rule number two,

they'll drags it on the way in. I'm like, oh, God damn. This person is so bold. That whole scene, that whole scene where Cassie believes that he's going to make Luthin's blood pressure rise by holding a gun to his head. And it doesn't change him at all.

He's just, like, talking to him very calmly. It's like, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever. It's like, okay, I'm going to reach for this right here. Is it okay? Like, he knows, he's done this so much. He knows that he has casting him. He knows what this guy wants to do. He just has to show him that he wants to do it, right?

The entire action sequence there is amazing. The use of explosions in this show, one thing that a great war movie does is put you in the chaos of combat and all of these great explosions and you feel like something's going to fall on your head. Stuff is falling.

Fucking engines from the ceiling. Swinging engines. Or, yo, when the car comes and all the corpos are standing around and that shit fucking explosion, like, God, damn. And they speed away. They had the smiles on them.

They were like, oh, we got them. We did it. Yeah. And get shit. By the way, I'm interested in seeing Lutheran and Cassians. It's a fucked up Obi-Wan and Luke. It's like the same relationship.

There's no lightsabers. Come here, young man. Cassian's not the guy that wants to go to Tashi Station and buy some power converters. He's not somebody that has been thinking all his life about fighting and flying in the rebellion. He doesn't even fucking know what's going on. He is about to be shown a different set of skills to become a different type of Jedi.

Not a Jedi Jedi, but one of these fucking lowdown ass, get the job done dirty motherfuckers. That's what Cassie and Andrew is. And you want to know what his call of action was? Do you want to fight these bastards for real? For real. Like that's, I, like, I screamed when that happened. Eric Selvick, not playing with these cats. Yeah, okay, look, guys, look into the future.

Do we feel like the tone here of the show it's going to carry on for the rest of the episodes? I feel like it will. But things are going to get a lot bigger here, just like I have over the course of the last two years. Things are going to get a lot bigger. So what do we see? Do we expect the stakes to continue to rise?

We've got nine more episodes. Like, is everything going to be like we saw for the first three? How can we adjust our expectations is what I'm asking? Because right now, we're on a fucking high, man. I honestly think that from everything that Gilroy has said, that what we're going to get in these episode chunks that like one, mostly one writer and one director do is like they're going to go into the rebellion. They're going to go into these things.

And really in the same way that it's like it opens up. Cassian's world, all I want is, like, if they keep the tone, is I'm like, just keep showing me sections of Star Wars in a new way. Like, I didn't know I wanted this show. Like, I think great creatives are like, hey, you never ask but asked for this, but this is what you actually want. You never question this, but you actually should have been asking these questions. And as long as I keep, like, having that feeling episode after episode, I'm going to say it. I think Andor might be one of the best, like, TV shows, period of, of, of, of, I completely agree.

I think that the biggest thing that Star Wars has been consumed with being and what this show clearly is not is about how big it is. It's the intimacy and it's the smallness of these characters

and how intimate these stakes are and how only just a few people interacting with each other, you learn so much about their story about what it's like when they're just like arguing with somebody yet they're like still trying to cook dinner or something like that.

Keeping that intimacy and that smallness is pretty much what I loved about these first three episodes. And if that stays the same, like you could, you can have a, you know, a dog fight with a tie fighter or you could have a big thing that can like end the three episode arc.

But like if you, if it's still about the people and if it's still about like those small intimate moments, then we've got like probably one of the best Star Wars things ever. You keep saying small stakes. It's pretty big stakes. I don't mean small. son has been accused of murder.

What's the biggest stakes? When your boyfriend gets killed in front of you, those are big stakes. I agree with Steve. Just in terms of like so much of Star Wars is like, we're going to blow the planet up. Like space Jesus, come save us. Like, no.

Cassian killed like two cops and now she's like, oh, okay, like I have to escape. Like that is a very intimate stake. Relatable stakes. Yeah. I mean, well, I, yeah. Stakes can be high, but they're also like close to you. I mean, I agree with, you know, the, the small stakes take, but at the same time, like,

we're going to get Mon Mafa, right? We're going to get Saguerra. Like, these aren't like the biggest hitters. You're not, they're not Skywaters, but these are people that are extremely important to the rebellion. And that will build. Like Cassian's introduction into the rebellion and his importance in it will be growing and building as he becomes a bigger player in it. Like, that obviously makes sense.

but like to make that a slow build. I mean, I guess, I mean, 12 episodes, you know, there's a lot, just a lot of space to cover. I don't think that we'll see Darth Vader in this show. I don't think it'll be in it. I don't think you'll be in it. Season two, baby.

At some point, you can't have a show about a rebellion against the empire and not, I mean, you could, but. You could. If any show's going to do it, it might be this one. Question. Will they even miss? mention Darth Vader in here.

Probably. Maybe. I think of like season two, I feel like. Maybe they won't even say his name. Maybe they'll refer to him in like some of these abstract terms. Like they won't say the, like the boss or like this someone so. Like they won't like they're not going to put his face on.

Okay. Will Graham will Gramoff Tarkin be in the show? Do they have the bunny for that? I feel like that's too high up the chain right now. They got the SAGI budget. I thought She-Hulk was still aired. Like, you know. That's true.

Can they afford that? Good. All right. That's a wrap. What a fantastic three episodes of television. Thursday, Mid-Edition, we'll be back to break down episode six of She-Hulk. It's going to be great. Daredevil. You guys excited? How excited are you midboys about She-Hulk right now? I am enjoying it. It's fun television. So are they desirable. So much fun. I can't wait for episode six. Let's get it. I got a feeling it's going to be great. It's going to be great. This Sunday Talk the Thrones is back again as Chris Ryan, Mal and Joe, Chris Ryan, who loves. Love Andrew.

Shout out to Chris Ryan. Told us to me and Charles, he came out of his office. I was also there. Honestly, Chris Ryan should get a medal because he has been on this wave. He has picked his shot. And like, honestly, he hasn't been wrong.

He hasn't been fucking wrong. You're going to give you their instant reactions to House of the Dragon right after the episode is done. Our producer is Steve, the architect Alman. Jomi, the explainer, a dinner on, is on social. Hashtag Jomey the Hut. What does that mean? What is that?

What does that mean? Steve, step to the mic. What is that? It's like you're the boss. You're the boss. You're the king of the hut clan. I don't know about all that. You put ladies in scimpy outfits.

I don't do that. We've heard stories, Jome. From who heard stories? From Who? The Hut on social media. An additional production by Arjuna, the suit. Brown Capult. Chuck, take a second.

The Corpos. The Midnight Boys are back. Shout out to Tony Gilroy. Because Andor is cracked. Malinjo, it's the House of R. Really is the horny house over there. I like it. I like listening to it.

You know, like Sir Christian Colt. Like, I'm watching the show. And I'm like, oh, shit, my sister's going to go nuts over this, nigga. I'm like, I'm like, I'm looking at him. I'm like, they're not going to. Because, like, let me tell you something. Sometimes we're done with Andrew. I just say this real quick.

I'm watching House of the Dragon, right? And Calico was brushing her teeth. And she's walking by the door. And, you know, Sir Christian Cole is up there. She goes, oh. And I'm like, come on, man. You know? Well, also, because we're done.

It's cool. But I waited all, we did good this episode on the diatrons. But, like, I want to talk about the brothel real quick. You want to know why it's also fuck the police? because rewatch the episode. They go into the brothel. The two cops are like yelling at the white lady. They're like to come over here.

And she's like, would y'all fucking chill? And she's like, so-and-so will help you. And then I see who so-and-so is. It's a black sister. They're like, we don't want her. I'm like, dog, you got racism in a fucking galaxy far far away, bro. The galaxy is racist, though. The galaxy is racist.

They racist against aliens. Palpatine is a racist. He's a racist against aliens. why Thron. Didn't strive. Yeah. Like, yeah, these are the, the, the racist against,

look, we're going to, we're going to litigate this. We're going to have a whole fucking show about the racism in the galaxy. You know what I'm saying? Like a whole show. Chewy was the first motherfucker who was like, they were just like,

dog, you can't even get a medal. Can't get a medal. Just be happy you up here, bro. Can't get a metal. The rest of these, the rest of these, and another motherfucker that was in the millennium falcon, when they shot Darth,

Vader into space house. Like, she can't even get a medal. And that was Leah. Even think about Mace Windu. Mace Windu was a boss before all that shit was popping off in Phantom Menace. And who gets the top, the top gig? Like, it used to be Yoda and him. They both were bosses.

Yoda gets the whole shit. Black man can't even be, you know, a boss in this galaxy. I can't. I can't come with you on that one. Why? Why? You know how you feel about Yoda? You know how you feel about Yoda?

I can't. I can't come with you on that way. If I'm going to be honest, Mace wasn't wrong about a lot of shit. Like if Mace was right about every thing. Wait, he wasn't wrong with him. Mace was right about everything. Mace is essentially my dad.

My dad would look at people, be like, I'm telling you somebody right, somebody right with that boy. I bring that boy, don't bring that boy back my house no more. I seen that boy. He's looking crazy. You got a look in his eye.

That boy can't come back in my house. That's what he said about Skywalker. Mays was going to look to Skywalker. It's like, all right, now I'm going to tell y'all, y'all. Something wrong with y'all friend. Don't bring that boy back with me. And nobody wanted to listen. Niggins said, hey, Skywalker, sit down.

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