The Ringer-Verse - Arcane’ Season Two (Part 3) | Mint Edition

Episode Date: November 23, 2024

Mint-Vember draws to a close as Steve and Jomi dive into the ‘Arcane’ finale while joined by Jessica Clemons! The crew break down all three episodes and celebrate the shows otherworldly animation style as well as ponder the shows impact. Hosts: Jomi Adeniran and Steve Ahlman Guest: Jessica Clemons Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Restrictions apply. Services not available in all areas. Hello and welcome into the Ringer versus the Ringer's nexus podcast feed for all things fandom. I'm Steve Alman. I'm Joe Meadoran. And we're back for Mint Edition. Mintembers upon us once again. It's a once in a while podcast about all the latest things that you can't live without. But it's now it's a once a week because Mitzvember is in full swing.

I mean, this is the enemy. I mean, what if we let Mimber continue on? November isn't just a month. It's a state of mind. I'm in a mid-Vember state of mind. Yeah? Yeah. Next current poem, mint state of mind.

Uh-huh, uh-huh. That's the wrong song. That is the wrong song. Today. First thing I came to my head. It's a big day for us all. Also, Jay-Z, bzombo, no, it's no.

It's no. Oh, my God. It's too early. It's 10 a.m. 95 degrees. We can't get a pod together. and Jessica Clemens is here. Yay!

Hi, hello. It's 10 a.m. I usually wake up at 2. Let's be very clear. It's 10 a.m. on a Saturday. When we're having fun. Having a great time. But guys, we got to get you this content.

We do. Doesn't sleep for nobody. Okay, the episode dropped at midnight. We mainlined it. Hydrated and dedicated. You know what I mean? And we came early. to get you guys that sauce.

Exactly. That oil. We brought in the great Jessica Clemens so that we can talk about the arcane series finale. It's Jover. Part three of season two has finally come out last night. We were there at the premiere, and we're going to be talking all about it

and giving you some great goodness for your weekend. But before that, some programming reminders. Monday, the House of Our is going to give you their glicked deep-down. dive. Where do we stand on the Wicked and Gladiator beef? Have we seen both? Has anybody? Everybody seen both? I'm seeing Gladiator tonight. Okay. I'm seeing Wicked tonight. Oh my goodness. I don't think

there's beef as much as it was like with Oppenheimer because I think everyone's like this, it's funny. It feels like the second grade tier of the Oppenheimer Barbie movie movie. They want to recreate Barbenheimer so bad. They do. They do. But this one feels like it was the most closest. It was the closest because the next one is Sonic. That was lightning in a bottle. You can't not. Yeah, no, 100%.

100%. I mean, there's always going to be Tier 1, which is that. This will be tier 2. Tier 3 will be something else ridiculous.

Tier 3 was Buzz paw or Saw Paw. I'm glad you guys. When Saw 20 came out with Paw Patrol. Ew. Yeah, but I'm not seeing both those movies.

Exactly. But you just need juxtaposing like good vibes, bad vibes. I'm glad you guys. Sonic 3 is coming out the same day as something

else and I can't remember what it is. And I cannot tell you this. Sufasa? I'm not watching Mufusca. Y'all got it. Nah.

I won't be there. Here's what I'm saying. Nah. I cannot wait for Mufasa to get destroyed at the box office for Sonic 3. I hope everyone goes with ill intentions in their heart. Yeah, no, no, no. I'm coming in with hate and I'm here to destroy Mufasa. I will not be there.

You probably will be here for Sonic. For Sonic, absolutely. Mufasa, no. Glad you guys didn't ask me about Glickett because I'm not watching Wicked, bro. I know there's a lot of gas on it, man. Personally, brother. Man, Jomi's anti-fun. I'm not anti-fun.

Frankly, No, this is anti-funn. I'm not even being a hater. It's really just, it's 240. It's a 240 musical. I haven't slept three months. If I go to that theater,

I don't care who's... Yeah, you're missing out on great primetime sleeping hours. They're telling me Arianna Grande's out there doing, like... Jomey hates women. Jomey. Here, how about this? That is insane. Man.

That is insane. You know what? It makes sense now. Here's the thing, that is crazy. You know what? I think of anybody else in this room, Kerm is most qualified to say that because he is reading a Storm comic right now.

That's nuts. Why doing his job? Loves women. This is insane. I just can't go back to the theater for three hours. Here's the thing, though. If you sit in a dark room in a chair, he will fall asleep.

I will fall asleep. That's crazy because you did it last night. I was locked in last night. Oh. Oh. Because I had to do my job. Interesting. You act like,

there's no. There's no women on that. Do your job! There's no women of our women! They're like, top six main characters are women.

What are we doing? You zoomed in Joe Jomi zoomed in during the sex scene only. Jesus Christ. Jome went. Zoom enhanced. The only reason he showed up

is because we could talk about that. Christ, alive. Tuesday, the House of ours is going to dive again into Dune Prophecy. We're looking forward to that. Doom Prophecy is great.

Yeah? Have you not watched it? I saw the pilot. I liked it. Did you not like it? A little dry. Oh, you're dry. I'm sorry.

You're Ashley. Cook them. How dare you? It's 10 a.m. On a Saturday. Today's show, we are talking about the series finale of Arcane on Netflix. Streaming right now, part three, three final episodes. Let's get into it. But first before we do, spoilers for all of Arcane.

I know you're all up on League of Legends lore. And this is really all that we had. So here we go. The three of us went to a, let's just say, insane event put on by Riot Games last night. Multiple fans, lots of cool activations and cool things that we could see about not only Arcane the show, but the League of Legends games and everything that they can provide for us. Shout out to Caitlin, who graciously invited the three of us out there. And we got to see the final three episodes in a massive theater. with a bunch of fans.

I'll start with you, Jess. How did you feel seeing these final three episodes in a massive theater? What did you like about the event? Yeah, the event was insane. I think I've been to a lot of different events, and this one was, like, the craziest for me. I guess I wasn't expecting at all what we got,

but it makes sense. The, like, vibe in this room for this show was so, like, immaculate. Like, everyone there was a huge, huge fan. Would I have been better watching at my house? 100%. But, Christ. You mad at the seats.

Oh, don't get me started about those seats. Seats were terrible. It was a very big theater. We had a very good time watching it. We were just high up. That's all. Jomey. Jomey got me being the oldest person in the room.

Oh, the seats. Here's the thing. My hips in my back. Jess and me in the 30 plus club, whenever we sit down is just like crack, fart. Oh, God. My butt did hurt. And I sat for maybe an hour and I went, ooh, my butter.

It's more so the fact that we're just old and washed and we can't sit down for too long. That's true. Unless it's for Wicked. Jomey, how impressed were you at the fact that we got lower accurate Victor cosplayers when they only had a week to prepare for this? It was crazy. They've been locked in. They were in the gym for, you know, five beats a day for three summers. You know what I mean?

But compress that into a week. It was crazy. The amount of detail and accuracy that people were. repin. Again, after just one week was nuts. The theater experience was cool. I mean, we're going to talk about it, but the band, the fans are going crazy over some stuff. It was just

insane. Genuinely, we're going to talk about the scene in particular, but like, there's a certain scene that I've said this that I'm like, you'd have thought that Captain America caught the hammer again. No, it was nice. The theater went for like three minutes. Wow. Yo, hey, yo.

What'd you say before the podcast, What did you say before the podcast? What did Joe me say before the podcast? I hate women. What was it? Exactly. Something along those lines. But we'll get to it. I'm sorry. I had a great time at this.

And frankly, so we had gotten to see the like the premiere of season two and then the finale of this. I think the biggest testament that I can say as we start to talk about the show is that like the actual like fan fervor

for a show like this probably has been the most palpable. that I've seen in a good long while. And for a show that's as compressed and small, for the small amount of time that we've had for actually watching these episodes, it's kind of crazy to see the actual appeal that is widespreading about it.

Obviously, the quality of the show was there, and the hype is justified, but I genuinely didn't know that the melding of both these video game fans, and for a big show like this, would have carried it on. And it's wild to see that a show is ending from something that looks like

it's at the height of its popularity. And obviously we'll get into thinking about where things can go from here, but let's talk about the... So let's talk about finale as a whole. Jomi, how do you feel like the show ended? What did you think about these final three episodes? I really enjoyed the final three episodes.

I think, first of all, what they did in, you know, bringing the entire thing together, while I think like there might be like some holes I think just as like an endeavor it's really really impressive how they managed to you know while spending all these plates land most of them and there are some moments and some things that happen are just like incredible to see the work that got done is just is just awesome I think yeah these three episodes did what they had to do for the most part and it's a satisfying conclusion to the series that we no one love. Yeah, I agree with Jomi. I feel like with all those plate spinning, they did catch some.

But with that being said, I think these last three episodes were my favorite out of the entire final season. And they were just really nice. I think they were really nicely done versus the rest of the season. The rest of the season kind of had like a lot they were carrying.

And I was like, oh, there's a lot of their carrying. Even with new characters, I was like, there's a lot they're carrying. And I felt like the last, last three episodes really zoned in on what was really more important at hand. I think the biggest, I guess note I would have for this series as a whole is that I'm realizing that time wasn't on this show's side and it really came down to these final three to where I actually noticed, I'm like, wow, we really have to wrap up a lot.

And I think with the time that the show took, even its beginning season as well as its beginning episodes into its second season, it acted as if this show was going to be coming around for more seasons to come. Like it had more time. And then these final three were like, ah, maybe we need to keep things going a little bit.

And I think for the most part, it was very satisfying. And I think that I might have a weaker outlook on the finale than some of the other episodes in this season, only because that I feel like some characters were very well served as opposed to some others. I just think that I'm very looking forward to seeing where more shows like this go. Obviously, I think that we're going to be leading into a lot more stories in this universe,

and there's going to be a lot more things that we can look forward to from this animation studio. But I'm really, really curious to see where the legacy of this show lands off as kind of a launch pad for other stories that may have more time to take care of. I did like the last night they even mentioned, I forget who the other man was, but they also had the show runner on stage. And they mentioned, like, yeah, an article came out that said that we spent a ridiculous amount of money on this show. Which was $220 million, I believe. A lot of bread. A lot of money. All I need is a single K.

What were you going to say? Well, from my, and from what we see on the screen, you see every cent of that. I understand. But he also, I love that he followed it up with like, this was our first time doing a show. Like going from like our video game to a show. And especially like a video game where it was just a little bit of lore. We just wanted to like explore that more. And we've learned so much.

And now we're going to take that onto the next project. And that's why I'm like, there's nowhere up but now. Like I don't even think they were at bottom, but I was like nowhere but up from now. I think your guys's first season was amazing. this season had like a little bit to work like it was a lot of dancing but I was I also understood I was like you guys probably did not know where to go and there

was so many years and a lot of people shuffling things and figuring out things that for the next show you do whether it is another League of Legends or an Overwatch or well it wouldn't be is Overwatch right? No no it's not I don't play Overwatch but if they did Valerant or if they did More stuff in the Arcane universe

Yeah or more stuff in the Arcane universe it'll be more sublime. Exactly And I think that that's clearly a lesson learned here because the amount of things that they experiment with and the amount of things that they're willing to push forward is nothing but ambition on top of ambition on top of ambition. And to even get that sort of right, let alone remotely satisfying come the end of it, I think that that's like an absolute Hail Mary completion right there.

Like it's a miracle that this show was as good as it is for as long as it is. And even with two seasons under its belt, I think that this is. is wonderfully satisfying. And we can get into the nitty-gritty of it, but I think overall, Arcane's going to be something that we remember for a very long time. And I think starting with episode seven, I think that this is probably one of the best episodes the show's ever done.

It's my favorite. This is the multiverse episode? Yes, this is pretend like it's the first time where we finally see what happens to Echo and Jase. Let's talk about what happens to Echo. So he finds himself in a alternate timeline where the undercity and Piltover are pretty much in a utopic state because Hax was never discovered or Hax Tech was never discovered. And Jinks is good and Vye is the one that died during that job that they did when they were kids. And it echoes throughout eternity.

How come when I make a joke like that nobody is boo, but he gets to make that joke. I mean, it's because it's so subtle. It also was, like, kind of like it was sweet. Okay, interesting. All right. So y'all hate me. That's fine. Look here.

Look here. No, I got it. No, I understand. Look here. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. It's good. It's cool.

It's just looking for a fight. I see what's happening. Yeah, because y'all got on here. It was talking crazy about me. Wow. I'm beefing now. Man. I just respect women, bro, and I couldn't stand.

I'm going to throw this phone at church. Jomey. Jomey's like, no one loves the ladies more than me. GNX comes out and he's just like, I'm ready to hate. I'm ready to hate. This was my favorite episode of the series. I love stuff like this. Like, the only reason I got in anime at all, like, really,

is because I'm watching Neon Genesis Evangelion. I thought I was about Kids Fight a Robots. It wasn't. It was not. But there's a scene, I want to say, like, one of the two fun episodes where they have Shinji and Ray. Light spoilers for Evangelion coming. It came out in 195.

I understand, but I'm just saying. Spoilers. It came out two lifetimes. They came out a century ago. And they have the scene where they're like, just going to school and being kids. And that's the kind of stuff where like, and they're like, you cut back and it's like, oh, they had to sacrifice themselves to save the world or whatever. And you get to see them live this idealized life.

And it was just like really, I mean, honestly, heartbreaking to see what could have been if they didn't have to like sacrifice themselves to save the world. And to see powder especially and, you know, Milo and Clager and Vander and Benzo, all these people that we've lost to the fighting in Piltover, see them alive and thriving and just living the life that you always wanted them to live. Man, it's, like I said, it's heartbreaking, but it's heartwarming at the same time. And I I just loved, I loved every second saying all those people alive and doing their thing and thriving. It was, it was awesome.

Yeah. I think I literally like that episode because I was nervous. I'm one of the probably fewer many that kind of get tired of the multiverse trend. And to be fair, I guess the show was supposed to come out years ago, not right now. But I like that it was also more about time than it was about the multiverse. It was like, oh, yeah, I mean, this is a different universe where you guys never found this. Like, you never had to do the fight. but this is also like in the future.

And that's the same with what Jace was dealing with was just like, oh, this is what the future is going to look like if you don't change it tomorrow or yesterday. And I'm curious because the episodes like this usually kind of like have a juxtaposing thing of like if it's a POV character that is thrown into this scenario where all of these things are turned on their heads and they have a sort of perspective of what could have been

or all of these things of a life that they are either missing or have the opportunity to change. For the sake of Echo, and we'll get to Jase's story in a minute, it's entirely theoretical. It's not possible for him to recreate this type of life for himself. There's no world in which he would fall in love with jinx. There's no world in which, like, Vi is not alive and Vander would live

and the undercity is a utopia and all of these people live in harmony now it's literally not possible and the only reason that he is dedicated to still going back to his timeline is to even have a semblance of fixing it not so much to get to where he is but to know that the idea that this is the thing

that he's not supposed to be he's not supposed to be here and he's kind of indulging in this he's kind of allowing himself to fall for powder. And like, he does, though. I'm not, no, no. I mean, I think part of it is you kind of, I mean, he is trying to get back, right?

Like, that's the whole thing. And he needs powder to do that. She's got the intelligence. She, you know, even Vander says, like, you got to fill your own cup at some point. Like, what are you, you're wasting your potential, right? Exactly. And that helps her get out of her thing.

But for Echo, you know, you get put an ass in it. situation where it's like, this is my biggest op. I do need her to help me get home. And, you know, things happen. You fall in love. You know what I'm saying? But you're also technically stealing another version of you's life. I mean, it's not real. My fault. My fault, O.G. I think I could forgive me if I need to you know, you know. I'm, I'm, I'm, like, you can't even trust yourself and it's the gun pointed the other way. No, I think, I mean, it was, it was really tough. Like, you really feel for Echo. because again, like, he's lost so many people

and to see, like, what the world could have been is, like, devastating as hell and to know that, like, you can't stay. Like, you can't be here. As much fun you have and as much connections you have, as much as seeing Benzo, you know, falling for jinks, the whole thing. I guess falling for powder, really, but you can't, like,

this is all nice and dandy. I do have to get home. I have to save my version of this one. world. It's tough. It's definitely tough. So, Jomi. You stay in? Because here's the thing. This is one of those episodes where I'm like, you genuinely could have stayed. I wouldn't have-

You genuinely could have stayed. Brother man, I wouldn't have fault to you for staying. Like, I can't condone the behavior, but I understand. There are bigger fish to fry at the crib. There is a lot going on over there. You got people that need you, people that rely on you, people that- Because I saw you have a bit of a crisis when you saw Echo Kiss. So here's the thing, right? Here's your thing.

All right. I was worried he's going to fumble it. I was worried he was going to fumble it. Oh, because there was a pullback. Because he pulls back, right? I'm like, no, man. Like you got to, you got to, you got to, I know you have to get back, but you got to allow yourself this moment. You got to fill up your own cup, you know what I'm saying?

Fill up your own cup, exactly. Enjoy this time because who knows what's waiting for you when to get back, right? Nothing but bad shit. Exactly, right? It seems like it's bad already, and it's only probably going to get worse. in this particular moment, in this time, brother, enjoy this, have this. And that's the thing, you could be like Heimerdinger.

You could stay there for three years and just chill. Yeah, you could, but then, you know. You're the thing about time travel. It's always going to be there. That's the thing, but that's, man, like I was going to say, I don't know if I mess with Hemerdinger or not, because he didn't even try to get home. It's like, hey, this is kind of sweet.

I'm living my life. Let me tell you what I would do. I'm Echo. I stay. the moment that Powder and I get into an argument just pulling that thing. Price alive. I hate it here.

Have some shame, man. Jesus. That's crazy. Nah, man, I think you got to get because their version of future was nice. You know, obviously. Sure.

Shout out to Echo and Powder, man. That meant something. The crowd went crazy for that. Oh, my God. They went nuts for that. That's how you know, it's like a younger audience that loves the, like,

content so much. Oh my god. They were eaten up that YA stuff. It was me when they did Rugrats all grown up. I was like, I was like, yeah. Like I was screaming as a child. Not Arthur all grown up?

No, I'm not that old. D.W. D.W. would never be a cop. Oh, I saw that. She would be. She'd a cop. No, DW would never be a cop. She would be FBI, like the number one agent. Absolutely not.

On the FBI, bro. No, she would be jinx. That's, no. Just the worst. Because she's a little sister doesn't mean she's the worst as a little sister. Defending you defending you. Just because she's the little sister does not mean she's a bad person. Nah, I mean, let's hear.

Did a little sister write this? No. Interesting, right? Because Echo and Hammerdinger, they were like skipping through daisies, you know what I'm saying? Just having the best time of their lives. Meanwhile, Jace and the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad days. To be fair. To be fair.

Oh my goodness. I'll give the writers this. They recognize, like, I can't... Like, it's not even justification. It's like, I will piss off the entire fan base if I don't punish Jace and if I don't do this for Echo. Because we didn't see Echo at all again. Because I remember being like,

if I don't see Echo until the finale, I'm going to be very upset. I don't know where him or the professor went. And then we get episode seven, which is my favorite episode. And I was like, oh, thank God. And I'm like, this was a good redemption for just as the audience.

For using his character. Just, yeah. But, like, in the course of the same, of the show, did we really get that much time with Echo to feel impactful at all? Oh, but we did because of episode. That's why I think episode 7 was such a good, well-written episode

because they also reminded me that Echo is still a kid or still really young because I was like, Echo, recognize that's not your jinx. And you're not dumb enough to not know that that's not your jinx. You're just so impacted by what happened in your time that you can't even look past this version of jinx. You recognize, even once the professor told him

we're in a different universe, he was still like, you did it. You killed by. And she was like, you're the tip. You were the tip. You were the reason we went in the first place. And she died. So how much you fuck off?

That's why I was like. And that was a wild, that was a great interaction when she was just like at her place, like kind of lighten a candle for Vi. And he rightfully didn't know what things were happening. But like she takes this as an affront to disrespect the memory of what happened when they were kids. And it was a very well played scene. Like that's a great like interaction of dialogue to like not only know what had happened.

but how they still feel about those things. And I think that's what made it so impactful. I think Echo's arc or Echo's story in this season, I was like, oh, these moments made it so I'm now very, like, I'm leaching on to Echo the entire time. While small and, like, while some might say underused in the series, that's a very good way to, like, kind of button up at least a good story for him.

Yeah, I think definitely under, Echo is definitely underutilized, plus they gave him the Negro haircuts. But at the same time. I feel like that's just what they have in all of their databases. They're like, we got this fade on the side. Heavy locks on the right. Locks would fade. Nasty work.

But at the same time, I think what he contributed to the story, and we'll talk about all this stuff later. But in this episode particularly, I think there was some humanity there that we've gotten from other characters that we haven't with Echo. We found some in this one. Like what are his motivations? Why does he want to, you know,

besides saving the fissures and being like a hero of the lions, why does he want to contribute in the big end goal when it's all said and done? Exactly. This episode accomplished that. Man, would you have given up like Jace? I would have, first and foremost. I would have never gotten out of that cave.

First and foremost. I would have died in that damn cave. I'd say that much. He shouldn't have died in the cave. He should have died on impact. He should have died on impact. He fell 30 stories, dog. And then the hammer crushes his leg.

Yeah, with a crushed leg. But a crushed leg, brother. Your is, it's cup. Pack watch. Rest of peace to Jace. We lost the good one. What was he eating? It's like a fish of some kind.

I don't know where he got the fish. I thought he was eating the robot people at first. No, some amphibious-looking hex thing. He's, again, smarter and braver than me. I would have been like, well,

time to, I would have probably ran into a wall as fast as I could. Yeah, Jace put it in his hundred and twenty-seven hours for sure. No, but it was spooky, man, because, again, we're watching the theater, and it's a big,

big old screen, and he's walking past those little husk stuff. Oh, those looks so. But then you start moving a little bit. That was great. And as his brain is decaying, he's drawing on the wall, every time they cut to like a little portion of the cave and it's coming. It's coming closer every day.

And it's like, is it in his head or is it in his? I keep being like, stop him. I'm like, I thought he was just going to die and succumb to that husk thing. I was like, oh, they're just going to get closer and closer every day until they like just choke him. This might have been the coolest designs that I had seen in the history of the show because, like, and it's only because I'm just like, how does he know where to go?

And then I'm realizing I'm like, oh, he's looking at all of the architecture around him because the explosion just heads outward and then he just follows the implosion into the center of the city to find where this like anomaly happened. And it's so beautiful. And it's such an incredible, like, design for all of these husks that are still, like, waiting out.

And then you see, you know, soon to be revealed, like, I'm going to call this Gandalf Victor, just like wandering the wastes. kind of like guiding him into like a new sort of thing. This episode is brought to by WeatherTech. Everyone knows winter is the MVP and make it a mess. You don't need WeatherTech floor liners in the summer unless you hit the beach or go camping. Then you'd want a cargo liner or a road trip goes sideways, ketchup goes rogue, ice cream drips.

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Yeah, he's beseeching. That's just a word. I mean, it's a fine word. I think I was stunned. Okay. Is this another autumnal situation? Oh. Oh.

You mean, if you, the tuminal is just like, again. Do you mean tumnus? No, not tomnest from Chronicles of Narnia. You're from Washington. So my thing was autumnal is a white people word. that white people use. Okay. And everybody in my DMs was like, yes.

Okay. White people use that word. No, you're acting like it's not a word that you know. Where are you from? I've never heard it. I'm from Washington State. Do you all have fall over there? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, we're not calling it autumn. That's a British thing. That's what I'm saying. That's what I get some white people word. We call it false. People for sure. All right, y'all use it for sure.

That's definitely some stuff white people say. But no, this started because you didn't know what that word was. And I was a fake word, right? It's not the fact that white people use it. The fact that you don't know what it is. It's a white piece. It's a word. It's a word.

It's a word that only exclusive to white people. Okay, I get that. Exclusive to white people. They got that in the... Autumnal. Being of autumn. They got it in the D.L.C. expansion pack. That's where they got that one at.

Being of autumn. Being of autumn. I think the ending of episode seven is... Again, there's a whole full sucker moment we'll talk about later. But, like, you understand why Jace went back in episodes. six and was just like, yeah, Silo, Salo, gone, what's his name, Victor, get out of here. You know, like, no, like, I mean, I'm sure there was remorse,

but it was very like, yo, we, like, again, we spent a week like, yo, what the hell happened to Jay's, bro? Like, how did he? Yeah, it makes sense now, yeah. And it all makes sense now. Right. When you had to go through all of that, which I, which I think, and then you get to the summit, and then you just kind of like, yeah.

I think it was smart to actually save that, this episode for the third part. I think it was smart to do that. It took me too long to recognize it. I think this is, and this might be what happens when you have so many storylines going at once. Genuinely, I was like, oh, yeah, he was in that. He was dragging that hammer to Victor. And I was like, oh, yeah. So he spent all that time in that cave suffering, eating amphibian things, getting hunted by the husk,

drawing on a wall, repairing his own leg. And that makes sense why it leads to this. but it took me too long to recognize that. I kept being like, oh, it felt like season one of The Witcher to me when I was like, I don't know what time period we're at. Where I was like, I was going. You had to track it by the beard. That's what I was doing.

But then I was like, oh, okay, so we're jumping back to this time. I don't know how it would have, it could be me being dumb for sure. But I was like, oh, maybe if we could have got like a flashback, or not even a flashback, but like a cut really quick of like him killing Victor and like remembering it or something. Like, I don't know. And that's the thing that people were trying to like basically. piece together from the end of part two,

knowing that, like, jace is getting, like, flashes in his mind about something that we don't really know what it is, but everybody's like, Jace did nothing wrong, he saw something, and he clearly doesn't want...

He, like, he needs to know something's up. Yeah, I agreed also with Jace's actions. Was that a bad thing? No. Were we not supposed to be on day? No, I mean, I think... I mean, yeah. It felt wild to kill him at the end of part two.

Well, you had to he was going crazy. A little bit. It was very... He was literally colonizing people. But yeah, but for the most part, it looked like it was a net positive. No. You was healing the sick. But where's the freedom?

Oh, you're talking about it. Well, it's always, again, the path. Slippery slope. The path to good intentions or the path to evil is always paved with good intentions. Yes. Right. And so it starts by healing a couple people. I was like, I don't know.

Dark Vader's always been kind of bad. It starts with, well, what did Darth Vader want to do initially? You wanted the power so his wife wouldn't die. Is it? I was like, okay. Yeah. I guess then he got jealous. Exactly.

Like you think like I'm doing this grand old thing and then it turns into something that is perverse and bad. I guess that's fine, but the way it was handled is not okay. And that's why I'm like, just because Victor had good intentions does not make him a good person. Exactly. And he's doing a bad thing. So someone needs to stop it. No, exactly. And I completely agree.

And it just seemed that for the most part that like from both the convent that he was running and the fact that they were going to like almost heal Vander, bring him back to life. Like, they're like, okay, this could be a net positive in the world because, like, a lot of the people that were touched by Shimmer were suffering for that. And that is going to bring us to the present. And episode eight, killing us a cycle, starts with Mao going super saying, getting a new makeup and some new powers.

We glaze the animation a lot in this. And we will continue to do that. And I'll continue to glaze it because we have, she, you know, we, she realizes the person she's talking to is an apparition. Yeah. Right. You're not real. Who are you really?

And then morph into this like black kind of like mummy looking thing. Mm-hmm. But I don't know. Like a crown of smoke. But it's like kind of toady, but not 3D. Yeah. And it like floats on screen in a way that is like, it's not like. Unsettling.

Yeah. It's like kind of men. this thing is like, that's different. We're not, we're not new, we're not used to this. That is new. Made me like, again, in the theater go, oh, oh, I'm kind of spooked out. What is, what is this? If you remember in, in the Spider-Verse sequel, when a spot was opening certain

portals, some of it would be, like, 2D drawn and other words would be 3D, and then, like, if you would come out of a certain portal, he'd be 2D and stuff like that. The utilization of different, like, animation styles, which, again, is going to be shown, like, crazy in the finale. but this is a really cool illustration of the fact that this this mage and this aborition is not of this world the the rose dimension or whatever we're going to call it that Mal breaks out of and then it's it's clearly shown that she was in like this sort of like

ritual space that she was just kind of like set into a trance that she broke out of and now she comes out with like this awesome looking outfit and then cool golden makeup And it's basically Like she gets the download of the Like powers that she that were held dormant Inside of her and the deal that her mom made In order to Stifle it

What did we think of this? Was this kind of rush? I was more so worried about Mel's storyline Quickly happening in season two In all of season two. I felt bad. I felt like it It was so beautiful and so gorgeous

it actually elevated the animation in the entire series, I think, because it was like, the same kind of animation was being held. I do think Arcane has one of the best, finest animations. That's why it was the first, like, what, animated streaming show to win an Emmy. I think so. And by the way, like, I think we could all agree.

Literally from the first episode of season two till the end, it seemed like it got more and more expensive looking as it went on. Absolutely. Like, oh, you're just going nuts. Now you're going more nuts. People are sleeping on this because, Netflix as a company is like, yeah, kind of a demon. But it's like they're animated stuff.

They're trying to make something better than the Spider-Verse movies. Animated-wise, not story-wise, but animation-wise. Quality-wise, yes. They're trying to be equal, if not better. And they have done it with like three of their animated movies already where they were originally supposed to go to Sony animations. But Sony animation was like, we're too busy with Spider-Verse to take this on. Maybe you guys should go pictures to another house.

And Netflix picked up all three of those movies. So I'm like, oh, see, they already know what they're cooking right now. But I do think it was rushed completely. And it was not there. And maybe I need to go back and watch season one. I don't think there was a single tell about this in season one. This was not the storyline for her at all in season one. Because the main focus of season one, mainly being Vi and Jinks's story and then like the sort of

out swelling of those characters. Got a little bit of Jace, got a little bit of Mel, got a little bit of the council. But it wasn't about, but that's the thing. It wasn't about her being a mage. It was nothing about our mom team. And now we have a full on ensemble performance from season two. And I think the smaller things that come from

like the highly consequential things that happen with Mal ultimately are cool and work in smaller bits. But as far as like reflections of the overall story that need to kind of come to fruition in the finale, it's nice. But I think that it kind of is chipping away at the bigger things that we would have wanted to see.

Yeah. In a small way. Jomi, what do you think about that? I mean, I think, like I said at the beginning, I think the show does a pretty good job of spinning a lot of plates. This one, I've thought about it a lot. And I think the show does a lot of, you have to have, let me say it like this.

How the show operates is that it gives you nuggets of information about a low bunch of stuff, a lot of stuff, just throw a bunch of stuff at you. And it'll do like a montage or somebody who say a line or they'll have like a moment. But they're not like all sequential.

You have to stitch them together. Exactly. So for example, what happened between Vander and Silco at the beginning, right? If you were just watching the show, like, oh, they fought, they had a beef, but they were friends before. Why did they fight?

Like, we don't know exactly why they fought, but if you use context clues, essentially they were friends with Vye and Pouter's mom, and then they were trying to free the undercity. Silco went and did something that got Kay, uh, Kate, or got Vi,

Vy's mom killed and they're both their parents killed, right? That pissed up Vander. So Vander tried to kill him. and that's why they're beefing. If you're not like, if you're not like, third in those things together yourself, the show won't tell you that, right?

And so it's kind of like the same thing. Yeah, and it's easy to get swept up in the amount of information that the show is throwing at you for the sake of more and more and more characters. And again, that ambition is crazy admirable.

And even the fact that it remotely works is amazing. Yeah. I just feel like as we're kind of coming to the finish line here, this gets to be a lot. Yeah, I mean, And it's awesome. It is. It's definitely a lot.

But, again, it's, if you're not paying attention or if you're not, like, putting things to get out of yourself, you're definitely going to get lost, right? So this scene is just the Black Rose, it's like, hey, whatever they, whatever your mom and Victor's doing, that's going to ruin all the stuff from ages. Guess what? You're also a mage. So this would kind of sell you. You know what team you got to be on.

Come up, come this way to death row and we lock you in. You know what I mean? Like, again, it's not like all the way. put there for you, but if you, like, again, you got to, like, put your thinking cap on a little bit more than you'd like to, but it, you know, gets you there. Yeah. Absolutely. I think that's, like, the hard part with the, because I'm a stupid person when it comes to shows

a lot of the time, where I'm like, yeah, I can't guess an M. Nishamuan twist, but I'm like, I also shouldn't have to guess completely. I think you need, as the writers, you need to give us more than what, like, I feel like it's, like, in the most respectful way, a David Lynch kind of cop out where he's like, well, did you think it was? And I'm like, no. The things that are open for interpretation? Like Christopher Nolan with the top? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's up to you. It's up to you. It's up to you.

Actually, it's up to you. I'm like, well, actually, you wrote this damn thing. How what you tell me? And leave me? Leave me alone. Leave me alone. Christopher Nolan. Leave me alone. And here's the thing. I don't think that anything this show does is as egregious as any of those things. No, no, no. I think it's just more of like when we take in all of this information and all of these things from these characters, you feel

like there will just be a deficit for some other characters. And I think that we'll get to one that I don't think was short changed at all is Victor because he's now commanding an army from Skittles Dimension. The Skittles Dimension. This freaking guy man. Yeah. Let me tell you something. I never seen and this is why like, you know,

Victor, you know, is the op and it all thinks that sucks. Yes. how you fumble sky twice it is kind of nuts how you fumble sky twice and the most respectful way fumbled in the afterlife

that character is the most unnecessary character like what do we do I was getting so tired of her being literal bait just being bait just being bait for him like I mean I get it which to be the start of why you do something sure but like he's clearly lost the plot

when it comes to the reasons that he would do this and understandably so because he's touched the cosmos and he wants to like see the grander picture and unite all of consciousness to one grand evolution. And the fact that Sky wasn't like, man, shut the fuck up. And also all she did in the second season is stand behind his back and kiss his neck. Which.

And I was getting so irritated with. I was like, we have all these strong as women in this show and you're going to just have this woman be literal bait the entire time. Be the only, like, I was like, I was getting so irritated. It made me question whether or not she was actually real. No, I don't think she was, right? That's what I kind of. She went 0 for 2.

and trying to help this man. Season one, she got turned to dust. And in this one, and it's tough because, hey, I'm gonna, gonna miss this, man. No, you're not. No, you won't. Great line, great comeback.

He's like, you actually won't. You actually don't. Like, so, to your point, like, what was the point? If he was always going to be a dickhead, you know? But it's like she was so, a pawn. Yeah.

Not even like a pawn for him. I mean, a pawn in writing. I was like, I would have just closed her out. And then have him remember her being dead all the time and never being able to actually sink back up with her. But there could be that possibility where it's Christopher Nolan or David Lynchian and being like, was she actually there? Did he create her?

Did he create like this was his love? And he's like, I need her by my side. I suppose. I need her by my side. Because a piece of me was like, I was waiting. I was waiting for her to be like, hey, this is kind of a bad idea. It is. Because she looked at him questionable a lot of times.

I was like, are you going to intervene? And she was like, hmm, I'd rather kneel and hold his hand. And I'm like, girl. I'm going to stick beside him. Girl. That's my man. That's my man. I mean, stick beside him until Victor was like, hey, there's only room for one of us.

You might end all of humanity. So, you know. He said. And they disappeared. Peace. Caitlin locks up jinks. Vise not having it. Did you think she was dead for a second?

No. Jinks? Yeah. No. Okay. Let me take some. So that scene, you know, we wake up and she thinks it's

Vander. Vander 2.0. Yeah, basically, right? And then she walks into the room with Caitlin and and Logan. And Logan. Take some. I seen that face, bro. I was ready to throw hands

immediately on V's behalf. I was like, if you don't, what are you doing here? First and foremost, shout out to Caitlin. Caitlin, Logan's trying to get real. Swiping that away. Logan's trying to get real close. Whose fault? I'm not trying to have his person.

I'm not trying to be this person. I'm not trying to be this person. Think about it. I know at the end it kind of is revealed like, or maybe that Logan was actually getting her heartbroken. Because I'm also like, well, it makes sense as to why she would turn on her eventually.

Yeah, I loved you. I was impressed, enamored with you. I show up and then this girl comes back into your life and you're just going to put me to the side. You are my general. I was having sex with you. I was falling for you and you're literally going to throw me aside again. Caitlin should have been a bit more transparent

about the fact that this was a rebound. Yeah, she should have. And that's why I kind of got, I was like kind of on Logan's side. I was like, yeah. Fuck you. How about a little transparency? Yeah, and I bet Caitlin wasn't.

Kailen's so new to all this. She was probably like, yeah, fuck, fuck, fuck, bye. And then when I showed up was like, oh, no. Maybe I will. Nah, Maddie, what I, look. So I, that meant something to me seeing Caitlin, you know, pull away and then also being like, hey, I got this. You don't got to be here for this.

This is grown up business. Okay, little children, skedaddle, right? Um, that scene, that scene, that's seen, that's seen, what, would, not like tough, but, you know, somebody who likes, loves seen. These girls can't stop fighting. They stay beefing. And I, and this is like, shout out Kate. She was like, hey, that you got me.

That's all me, champ. You know, the whole thing went down. Your sister is kind of a war criminal. She went down, or things went down so crazy. I didn't even get a chance to help her. Uh, and you're right. You're, you're absolutely right. Sorry, boo.

That's, that's my bad. Uh, I, I, I, I need to be better. And I was like, okay, Kate, I see you. Vi was like, yo, you let Ambassador run you like, play you like a fiddle. So, hey, I know. My fault. Yeah.

My fault, champ. Hey, you got me. You got me again. What can I do? You know what I'm saying? I've been had, you know, arrest me, you know? It was nice to see Kate take some accountability for her actions. Kailen was doing a good job.

Vye was not. And that's all. Kailen was, I will say Kailen as a character was really good. I think she was really well. And the only part I kept hating was I was like, I know they don't want to answer this. And I don't think it matters that much. But I'm like, all Caitlin has to say is your sister killed my mom. And she said it, she never said it once.

She never, she said it like at the very beginning at the funeral, never came up again. Every conversation she had with I, all she had to be like is your sister. She killed my mom. All she had to do was say that. And then I was so, I felt vindicated when finally Jinks was like, I didn't know she was in there. I don't think it would have done much, but I just didn't know. I was like, no one ever talked about it. Which I think it's the.

I think it's, again, the show doesn't really like to, you know, give you, like, just hand over that information. But, like, everybody knows what the deal is, though. It's not like, yeah. But I think it was more. I know, I kind of want to talk about this now. That answer from Jinks in the prison cell pissed me off. Yeah. I didn't know your mom was there.

But I was just glad someone acknowledged. I mean, you would have killed somebody's dad. Everybody in there was a parent or son or not. Yeah. But she also, maybe, and then she was also like, man, would have mattered. Yeah. Like, it would have mattered. Why'd you say it?

Just be a dicket. I just like, idiot. I just like, idiot. But that's the thing. I was like, the writers,

I'm not trying to like crush the writers for this, but I'm like, I know y'all didn't put it in there because you didn't want to answer it. To make a comeback that was justifiable would have been really hard to come up with

because you killed this woman's mom. So it's like, if by and her was fighting, it would have just been another fight where it's like, yeah, Caitlin's right. And then I was like,

I don't think you guys could have rid in a really good fight for that scene. And I was talking, and I was thinking about this before because there's going to be another scene like this to me that happens between Mal and Bessa when she comes back and she's talking to her about oh so you just let my brother die

and then she smacks her and she's like absolutely not this was a choice that I had from choosing between protecting a child that would have died or protecting somebody else and then that argument is immediately stopped and I'm like

No, that conversation needs to happen a bit longer. I liked it. I was like, oh, I get it. I got both sides, but that's me. But there's smaller versions of this. And again, ultimately, I get it. It's the fact that that argument ends with that. Like, that was my reason.

But it makes you feel like those conversations kind of you would want to have them cook a little bit more. But that one I feel like is a little more justified because it's a daughter that's been afraid of her mom this entire time. So it was like, she was like, oh, I got gobs back by my mom. And I was like, you just got the power. of the universe and you're still afraid of your mom? And I was like, yeah, she is.

She's black, yeah. And they played it. They played it so well. She didn't even notice that her mom was burning runes that could make her fight her. Yeah. Like, I was like, that's how afraid of her mom she still is. But also, like, the conversation ends, but their interactions don't. Like, Mel goes and sees what they're up to at the compound.

Mm-hmm. Right. And so it's not like the conversation ends and like that's, it's more like, okay, we're clearly on opposite sides of the conflict. And then I got to go see you got to. this army getting ready, getting geared up. Nah, it's kind of, we're not really, we're not really vibing right now. We haven't got to it, and I don't want to jump too far, but I'm like, that's why I love

their relationship the most till the finale. I was like, they, I feel like, I just, I was obsessed with this. Because I was like, you don't even have to justify it. I was like, yeah, I completely understand where they're both coming from. And it was so nice and clean. I think they were my favorite characters for this entire finale. It's tough. Because when we go back to Jason Mal in the, uh,

in the council room. And Victor jumps in with a member of the porcelain posse. Mm. Controlling them remotely. You know, Leonardo Caprio's gang? The... It just reminded me of.

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and Jason is still kind of like not trusting Mal for like half a second He's like, are you lying to me? She's like, no. He's also crazy. He's also crazy. Brother, you've been alone for who knows how long, right? And now you come and you're like, oh, we survived. The reason where you survived that blast, I'm deducings.

Because you, you're all shiny now. You did this. Yeah. I'm here because you. I saw the apocalypse. I don't trust shit. Because you was out here wilding with no problem. What the hell's going on?

Yeah. I need some answers. Not only is he losing his mind alone, I was like, Mal, you were the only person here that was never alone. You were always with someone every single second. Even when you were trapped underground,

you were with a spirit. I was eating a fish. Yeah, I was eating a fish. I was followed by husks of people that used to live in this city. Life was not fun for me. I've had a bad day. Because she immediately looked at his leg

and said, what happened to you? He's like, bitch. I don't want to talk about it. Bitch, you're fucking sick of tired. My leg. Forget the leg. But then that seems cool because he, He suits the hammer and we think of like, oh, yo, he's about to mess up mail, bro.

Chill out. By the way, I love the fact that, like, that hole in the ceiling is just not fixed. Like, nobody's just working in the council. Look here. They have bigger things to worry about. I understand. You're like, the architecture. Someone, please fix the hole in the ceiling.

It's just the fact that they cut to that again where I'm like, all right, well, they clearly didn't fix that. We're not worried about that. There's a lot of going on. We can't really. Can we worry about no colors. The amount of times that this city has been either, like, multicolored by jinks or, had like something eternal shatter it.

If they had a dime for every time they jinks blew it up. You know what I'm saying? What's worse? Living in New York with the Avengers in town or in Piltover. Give me Piltover 10 times out of 10. I don't know.

Because I'm like, I feel like we have insurance and stuff ready for the Avengers. When my home goes to Jinks, it goes for good. Okay then. That's fair. Would you rather live in Piltover or Gotham? Oh, Piltover. I'm not living in Gotham.

I'd easily live in the lanes over. over Gotham. People look out for each other in the lanes. Yeah, racism happens in Gotham. Well, it depends. Can I be on Penguin's side? No, he'll kill me. He'll kill me. He will sell you out for a dime. He would really just Mr. Crabs if you think about it. Yeah, I wonder.

Shout out to Clancy Brown. You shout out Clancy Brown. Yeah, that's right. What was I going to say about it was the finale kind of about Jace and Mal in that fight that they had in that room? I can't remember now. With the robot?

But that was a lack of trust. Great fight. That was great fight. Really, it was animated really well, obviously. But I think the power of that scene is it shows just what they're up against. Because we know that Jace, even though he's got a messed up leg still has still got hands. And Mel still learning her new powers. She's extremely powerful.

And they still barely. Barely. Barely. Barely by the skin that her teeth get out of there. That's just one. And then the pep talk is like, okay, he's got a thousand of these. And I think that was such a great, well, ridden thing of being like, oh, we were able to defeat it.

Now let's show it off to the round, like the round of people pulled up and down. Yeah, they were like, reveal. And the shookness, you didn't even have to describe it. I thought it was beautiful. Everybody's so dramatic here. It's like, we can just have it like, hey, this is the thing that they're going to kill us with. You need to have the, because then if you just see it, they're like, oh, what's this? Like, oh, that kind of kill me.

And I thought it was beautiful. He's got to dress up in the nice stuff. He's got to get the good paldron. Oh, my God. I thought it was so beautiful that I was like, oh, if they didn't reveal it the way they did, I would have thought it was really pretty and I'd been like oh I want to become one of these things

and then they would have told me what would have happened also allowing the people to flee them being like you can either stay in fight or you can go and immediately they didn't even have to say go and people were leaving that room and I was like I would have been that person

shout out Skiva for just being like nope No it happened so many times You know how many different times there's been a new general There's been a new one There's been a new this I was like now No no no shut up

I'm taking my family I'm getting on that damn floating machine Great theater experience by way, when we were watching that scene, then it cuts to Sceva and she's just like glaring and having a thing. Crowd goes kind of nuts because it's the first time they've seen her in all of these episodes.

And then, Jason immediately is like, quiet. Shut the way. By the way, the crowd in, like the room in the scene, still quiet. He's saying shut up to no one. Also, we got excited for her and then when she chose to leave, it was

just immediately gone. We were like, oh, okay. She's out. All right, let's talk about it. So, wait, wait, let's set the scene, right? To a jail cell underground. That's right. Jinks is locked up. Jinks is locked up.

Caitlin, they have the conversation that y'all didn't like. Jinks let her hair down, take the braids out. Brother, those weren't always braids. I think she'd be, you know, they were in there for a minute. No, they were braids. Yeah, they were braids. Yeah, they were long. French braids.

Yeah. She undid the braids and that's what they look like. Yeah, that's what they look like. Yeah. Because her hair's been that long. Her hair's long as hell. Oh, man. No, brother, man.

I thought she. You thought she was there for like years? I mean, at least like a couple weeks. She says in there. No, she just undid the brains. Christ the lie. I think she was on them there for like two days because there's two plates of food. Yeah, she's just very sad because the child died.

She's just sad about Ayesha, rest in peace. You know, we barely knew you. Barely new you. Barely new you. And Kayla comes down. It's like, you know, I give you one shot. There will not be a trial. Say, bet.

You can take the shot, bet. Viac comes. Like, yo, powder, we could really use you. We need you. I've got the keys. I got the keys and no guys out here, but come on, man, let's go. And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you. And then she leaves Vi locked up in the thing.

But I can't stop getting into prison cells. Also, she punches Vy in the stomach to get her to, like, double over so she can get out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, I got a little switcheroo. Y'all, and I'm breaking the cycle. I'm very sad. I will not be here. You got it.

Ending her life. And then Kaelin shows up. It's like, yo, what's cracking? You thought you thought you were in here on accident. He thought that, you know, they don't need all the guards at the bridge, you know what I mean? Yep. Man. And then, oh, Caitlin comes in.

They make sweet, sweet love. That's beautiful. Here's the thing, right? I got a couple notes. You have a couple notes on a lesbian sex scene? Hold on, hold on, hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on.

Get the megaphone out. Get the soapbox out. Kerm, are we ready to say it again? And the jail cell is crazy. It's got to be nice seeing here. It's immediate. It's not romantic. It's immediate.

They can't control themselves. I'm not saying that they can't do that. The only, the crowd went insane. No, no, no. Before we get to that, the only note that I would have is time, not place.

My sister's life is kind of in danger right now. No. I might not have the time. I think this is Vi being like, it's done. Because remember, she slammed the wall and she was like, I've done this.

I keep falling for stupid shit like this. And it's only about them in that moment. moment because that's why she pulls away she's like hey I was with someone else and she's like I don't fucking care she's like I don't fucking care I'm like heylin come on you are fucking up the vibe right now I don't think it's more about the time or the place I think it's more about

we don't have enough time we could die today so let's do this right now so let's make the best this was nuts it's one of those things it's like not only is the crowd going nuts but it's like I think in my head I'm like okay well surely they're going to

cut away now. Surely they're going to cut away now. They're going to cut away now, right? It was a lot of... They're going to cut away now? The sex scene was made of only, like, transitional cutaway seeds. But it's like, unbuckle of belt. Undo the shirt. At one point, I was like, I didn't know they had that much clothes on. It kept unbuckling and buttoning.

I mean, they got like too many buckles anyway. To be fair. It's steampunk outfits. They got a lot. Yeah, take off a mask. A hat to undo my hair. But they kept that thing wrong. And I was like, ooh, God.

Really? Still has been like three minutes? And then you see the Vye's head go down and you're like, it was a lot. It was a lot. The one in season one with Jason and Mel wasn't even this crazy. Oh, no. That was tame. This was like, this was 100% like a non-negative way, fan service, but also the whoever was the animators or not even animators, the people that did the storyboard. It was a full musical sequence.

It was like we want to make sure you get the full development that their relationship led to this. And to be fair, it would be different because theirs was full. first season. So this is like, we had the entire first season with them. We had up into this final moment where their lives are on the line. They will probably die in 30 minutes. What does this sex look like? Yeah, this is definitely like, it's been three

years. You guys have wanted them to be together for so long. Everything. People were out there seats. Everything. Brother, I swear to God, people were jumping in clapping, brother. It was nuts. No, yeah, the person like four seats ahead of us was

standing, screaming to the ceiling. That's I mean, you gotta love them. You gotta love it. You gotta love it. You gotta love it. Look at who we are today, 2024. Vi keeps her word. She said the city's gonna eat you alive. Yo, whoa, bro. Yo.

Yo. What? Why? She said that to Caitlin. Why? She said it. No, man. Vi's the city now?

She's the representation of Tiltos. I am the city. I am the city. I'm the night. She's literally she's kingpin. She's like, I represent the city. The sea's going to eat you alive. And I'm the city.

And tonight, I'm the city. I'd be like, this would have been romantic if you didn't say something so fucking stupid. That was dumb as hell. I was with someone. Shut up. That was. Hey, look, Chowd Kalis. She's trying to be honest, trying to do the right thing.

She was. That's what you, I mean, look, she could have held it to herself. No, no, no. It's all about transparency at the last possible moment. What, I mean, I don't, again, Kaylin, Kaylin didn't think it was going to go down like. That, right? Because it's one, like, grabs her, kisses her.

It's real sweet. She's like, well, okay, I just want to be, completely honest with you. There was somebody else, you know what I'm saying? Which is really funny. We talked to Katie, the voice actress behind Caitlin. And we asked her who crashed out worse. Who handled the breakout?

Who handled the breakout worse between Kate and Vi? And she said, it was Vi. She was like very much like, it's Vi. but I don't know, Caitlin, apologize. Vine got none to apologize for. I will say, which I think that's a really interesting great take to say that it was Vi, because Caitlin has zero experience. And brought up in like what we saw in the first season,

I was like, oh, when she fell for Vi, it was like authentic first time love. And Vi made it sound like underground, they're doing everything, so it didn't matter. Yeah. But it would make sense that it's like, I don't want to lose something so special. And Vi's crash out was getting beat a million times. getting drunk every night. It getting drunk and beat up in that fucking pin every single night. But I like the idea that it was Vi that crashed out harder.

But I also, that moment was, it was needed for her to be like, oh, it also shows that she's been in love with her no matter what. Absolutely. This entire time she's like, I'm telling you this now because even when I did that, I was still in love with you. And I'm sorry. Yeah. The scene was very much 100% for us, our fans of Kate and Vi.

Yeah. To just, like, have that moment for them. And they, and I think. I think every fan got their, so it was like the people that wanted Echo and Jinx to finally do something, they got their kiss.

And then I got mine with Jason Mout for season. Hey, listen. You were locked in. Yeah, I'm good. I was like, I got mine. When the K&Vie showed up, I was like, give me more.

I was like, this is what I want to see. This is what I want to see. This is what I want to see. I was a joke. I was, I was misbehaving. I was,

I was giving into the worst of me. All right. And then, so then Victor evolves in Besta's army? and... He evolves himself, right? He involves himself as well.

Gets a crazy body. Brother, first... I mean, first... Gets a crazy body. I don't... What was going on with this... Body team? With this face and in head?

Oh, like just morphing into the... Yeah. It's awesome. Yeah, it's awesome. I mean, we, like, we... I mean, we're seeing, like, in dark first, right? And then, um, it's until later that we see, like, the full thing. But, like, yeah, to see him change and to see them, again,

turn everybody into the, you know, the Halo robots. Right. It's kind of just like... The porcelain posse. Porcelain posse was like, okay, we've got something. I think this episode did the thing that we talked about last week, Steve, where we know that it has to come like two sides, right? Like, there's not going to be like eight people or eight different facts.

It's not the Battle of the Final Armies, right? We need two sides or everybody on two sides, right? and we it's ambessa and victor versus jace and uh jinks and vi and piltover right and i think that like the last couple minutes of episodes solidify those lines and like what's going to happen in the finale you know so gets us ready for uh everything that's going on at the end there yeah and that brings us to the series finale episode nine dirt under your nails um So there is and there isn't a lot to talk about here because mainly what we get here is a gigantic battle sequence.

Like Helms deep on acid. A lot of Lord of the Rings today. Yeah. But we begin with Jinks wanting to break the cycle and end her life. Echo catches her at the last second and is trying to talk her down. and he keeps failing and he keeps rewinding time to save her. This was only a little weird for me because, again, we were in the theater and it was almost played for laughs. I don't think it was played for laughs.

I think what it was, so Echo was a character of League of Legends, and that's, like, kind of his power. You know, it is. It's his in-game power of, like, rewinding time for a second. So, like, I think for people to see used, I don't think they were laughing like, ha, It's funny, but, like, look at this guy using, you know, the thing from that game that we like, you know, it's kind of like the Leo meme. Like, oh, there it is. Right there. Ultimately, I don't think it was, I didn't, it was that funny.

I mean, like, he's kind of, like, exasperated about the whole thing because, again, like, it's not really, like, all he's got to do is just keep pressing, rip into cord, you know? I keep, I keep, I keep thinking of, like, when you're trying to start a lawnmower and you got to, like, pull that, like, rip cord. I mean, kind of. You got to prime it a couple times. That's basically his power. Yeah. And then, uh, basically. the Battle of Piltover begins.

And it starts with the siege from Mbessa's troops. We have a smaller recruitment for the enforcers from the undercity. I think only six of the people from the undercity actually show up. Yeah, I think I looked at you, or was this when they, was this at the beginning? It was near the end of

episode eight and then into this. My favorite part of episode nine was when everybody from Zahn, who was like, I'm going to stay behind and save Piltover. died immediately. Immediately.

That's on them. They shouldn't have gone. Like, rest of peace to the homie, now your kid's growing up but on her father because you want to be brave, you know? I mean, I'm sorry. But hey, listen, I saw an old lady get on the train

and I'm like, you know what? I'm going to stay. Yeah. That reaction of like, I was mean to that woman and now she's helping an old lady. You know what? I'm going to stay. And now I'm dead.

I'll be canon father. And now I'm dead. Fights, this was incredible looking. Simply put incredible looking. I was obsessed with the sequence between Caitlin and... And Bessa. Or no, sorry, Caitlin and... Mal and the mom.

Yeah, and Bessieck. That entire fight I was obsessed with. I was following every little thing. And it was also just a great callback to remember that, like, oh, yeah, they trained together. Like, something that she couldn't really do with Mal. And Mal is now, like, one of the strongest women on this court. But it still was, like, a hard fight between that mom.

Incredibly hard fight. That mom was just, like, physically, like, yeah. And I, again, I wish people... had a little bit more time with this because I think the drama of that moment, while it's still incredible and visually stupendous, I didn't

like I would have felt it even more if we had even a bit more time with it because we start this episode with just like, okay, get us to the battle, understand who's there, who's doing what, where everybody is and then bring Mbessa to

the four to capture Caitlin, set up this like break dance circle of like guards to just to fight everybody, which I always love when they do that because it's just like, I love it when guards just like lock everybody in into like a makeshift arena. Yeah. And it's just like, we're just going to stand still while you guys fight it out. I was eating it up.

It was great. I mean, again, rest and peace, last. We hardly knew you. Literally, we didn't know if you even spoke for how many episodes. Yeah. But he got arrowed in the neck. A lot of. But I loved how they used the hex gates to just like.

like shoot shipping crates at people. That was crazy. I thought they would do more damage. Yeah. You're shooting like shipping crates at people at like 500 miles an hour. Well, I mean, I'm talking about like the ships when they're shooting them at the Navy stuff. Like obviously you start hitting people. It's over.

It's Packwatch. Shooting them at the ships, I thought they'd do more damage. But yeah, there was a lot of, a lot of cannon fodder for folks. Stab, the dude, the Santa Mander dude that we're calling Sal Amanda. A little Gilman. A little Gilman. He was doing his thing. Yeah, he was locked in.

I was like, if he dies, I'm going to be really sad. Because it just reminds me too much of, uh, hellboy. Oh, hellboy. He reminded me of, and I was like, he's one of my favorite characters.

I love when they put an amphibian man in a suit. I'm like, he reminded me a lot of, did anybody hear of play Mass Effect too? No. Okay. There's a character called Thane, who looks a lot like him.

And I'm like, oh, so he's just like, hot lizard assassin man who's like locked in and ready for it. I'm here for it. I'm like, give me a lizard in a suit. To me,

he looked like, he looked like Freddy Fox. Oh. Yeah, he looked like Freddy Fox in, what's it called? In, uh, slow horses. Like, Freddy Fox and slow horses. Shout out Freddy Fox. Shout out Freddy Fox. And crazy, when our book comes out, they're going to beg, this is actually who we.

We designed a friend Fox. Yeah, he was inspired by. So battles keep ensuing. Victor is attempting to stop Jace from. Attempting to stop, brother. He stops him. He stops him. He stops him from shutting off the hex core.

and then immediately like he's like pulling out the pylons one by one and then just immediately that's so rude so rude that was and that was like I love those little moments it's like I spent 45 minutes yeah doing this and I love that didn't affect J's I would have been like are you serious but it's good all that time he's like see I'm plugging the shit just stop zoop put it back in all the lights came on for adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms every choice matters trimfaya offers self-injerk or intravenous infusion from the start. Tremfaya is administered as injections under the skin

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It's smoke them if you got them. If you don't got them, go get them. We're smoking that. Maddie you pack? Yes, sir. Hey, let me tell you something. That meant everything, not just something. That meant everything to me.

Let me tell you something. I'm in the theater. Okay. They got my girl, Kaylin, on her on her knees, right? we we there's a big um it's a white shot so you can't really see exactly who but people have already like you see the tuft of hair people already started yelling then it closes in on her and you know crowd goes oh are we gonna can we sit here and have the argument it's like this is kind of nuts why would you do this sure but i see it because she's always stunk and i knew she always stung yeah and

she's petty because she's like you won't love me exactly right um and best is like I told you about professional entanglements. Like, oh, I mean, you kind of did have a bar there. Which actually makes it sense because I'm like, yeah, Mbessa would kill any professional entanglement that she had before they were a problem. Right. Kalin does a little move, does a little thing. Get stabbed.

I was thinking like, that's the moment, right? You do the thing. Gets God by Embescer, like, ah, this actually might be packed. Remember, they gave us tissues going into the theater. Yeah. So we're kind of like, you're expecting. Not for that scene in the jail cell. No.

God. Yo, bro, what are you on? Bro? Steve, Jomey was cooking and you ruined it. I know. I turned the gas off. Turn the gas back on, Jome. It's crazy.

Maddie. She's like, yo, do it. Got the gun to her head is like, for what is worth, I enjoyed your warmth. It's like, ah, it's over. Pulls the trigger.

Bung. Mell, with the save of the year, the bullet hits back. And when I tell, you, the theater went crazy. I am underselling it to the nth degree. I swear to God, a woman in the front row, like all the way in the front of the theater,

jumped up like freaking, like, Michael Jordan just hitting the shot against the cavaliers. Pumping your fist, the whole thing. Theater went nuts, me included. That was crazy. The Maddie Pack would be, I'm smoking on that till the day I die. And that's the thing.

I thought, a piece of me was like, oh, she's going to die because it's the second time they're pulling the gun out on her. I was like, the first time you got away with it. Second time, like, nah, fool me twice. I was like, it's going to happen. Thank God, Mal came to. Right. And we was crazy too.

And because the show knows what they were doing, man. Because they linger on her body for like a good sign. Oh, yeah. You need to see the blood coming. You got to see it. And he gets us for the crowd. I was like, ah! Let's God.

And she's like, yeah, that's the shot. Look at her corks. Which, by the way, Mal wasn't even outside when that happened. She was behind the door. She walks out before that happens. Great healers know. Yeah. Great healers know.

It's really, really good. As thrilling as that was, we have another thrilling scene, another great entrance. Jenks comes through. Yeah, Jinks's entrance was really good with that music. You could always rely on them for a good music intro. I realize they play two songs, episode every time and I was like oh

this is the second second time. That's the budget really going. Honestly? Yeah. What? No, absolutely not. The budget's going to the animation. The budget's going to Ash Niko for covering the song for Jinks a million times. There you go, that's true. But no, that was a really fun reveal

her and Echo coming out of the ground. Echoes always, we needed more Echo fight scenes because I think one of my favorite scenes in this entire show was in the first season when Echoes, Echo and his crew are like in the high school. It's with like the debut of Jinks

after the time jump. Yeah. And you see him on like the hoverboard with his guys and like they come out. And like he does that thing where like he like spins upside down. It's always great when he's on that hoverboard. Yeah. I think I well just to say more about the fighting for Echo,

I was like it's good to give him the Paul Rudd and man moment. Like he is the reason why they like. Yeah, he's the linchpin of a couple of things. The Paul Rudd or Ant Man is the reason why they, like, without that invention, they couldn't have brought everybody back. And that's the same here. I was like, oh, yeah, without his invention, none of this would have. Jase was like, oh, no, we have to do this.

And I'm like, you couldn't have done it without echo. Counterpoint. A time machine that rewinds only four seconds is just a cheat code for an incompetent character to do something right. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Wait, what are you saying? If you do, the right characters don't need to fail.

I'm going to throw this one or try. I'm kidding. Is there a right character? because they would have given anyone. I was like, they would have given anyone that. I know I'm being an asshole about it. I'm kidding. Echo's a great character.

Echo's a great. Echoes awesome. And that's the thing. He's still a smart kid. He's smarter than me. No, no, he's great. I'm mainly kidding. Like, you know,

Vy wouldn't, Vy wouldn't have fucked up like that. Actually, no, she would have cried. She would have. All Vy did was fucked up. All Vy did was fuck up. All Vy did. All Vy did.

That was all Vy did. She stayed on the platform because her wolf dad was dead. Kind of. Oh my God. I mean, we'll talk about that. I mean, talk about the fight with Vander and, Eka, or Vandor, Vye, and, uh, Jinks.

Jinks, dog, like the zero G. That was fired. That was gas. That was gas. I know, you know, they were trying to see if Vander was still in there. I mean, we're like, I mean, we know he wasn't in there, but they don't. And so, you know, like watching them use, like, Vi using the rocket arms to propel her,

Jenks using the rockets and the gun was incredible. Just again, a masterclass of action and storytelling and animation in that sequence. And then, like, speaking of Jace and Victor, they flew up in the middle. You know, a little slow motion? You know what I'm saying? I loved it because it's like they're just passing. You don't exactly have like a sense of direction as to where these fights are taking place and to know that they just pass each other.

of Charlie and Mac at the restaurant. Looking at each other in the passing cars. Like, what? Oh, that's Umbrella Academy. That's Five and Victor. Oh, I was thinking of Harry Potter when they were driving, they were just looking out the window like, what? Is that a meme? Do people... It was a meme until that took over. I'm sure. I'm sure. But again,

absolutely dynamite stuff. Then we have Victor and Jace up on the roof. Porcelain Posse in tow. So, man, it's tough. It's looking grim. It was pretty much over. Like, it was cooked.

It was actually over four times. It was over a lot until Echo clutched it. The definition of locked in. I mean, was in his duffel right there. And then had to exceed the four second runoff because it was like, look, it's either, it's now or never. It's not for nothing. It's not for nothing. Him using the reverse time effect.

to fight was so fun to see because I was like, oh, when he literally was like, I'm going to reverse it full force and it was like, all that the friggin porcelain posse was all different, dispersed different places and he's like, Victor's like, shit. I gotta do it. This kid

is returning to slice me in the back of the head. But it's more of the fact that like I loved the translation and before we get to like that visual finale like the way that Victor clocks that in his reality is incredible because he's like,

he's seeing like just something like not right. Yeah. And it's not the fact that like time is looking like it's rewinding for Victor, but like something just keeps like getting closer to him that's off and more and more off. That's what happened with him and Mal in the fight. Yeah. And the visual language of that is like to make that like actually make sense to the viewer to make that make sense for a character is incredibly hard.

and so cool to see. And the end of the utilizing of his rewind mechanic, like he tries to yank it and like it's like below three seconds. So like they're still choking him after three seconds. And he realized he's got to up the energy. He's like, ah, shit. Ah, shit. And then cranks it all the way.

And then just basically chucks eternity at him. Might as well. And what proceeds is like basically one of the craziest animated sequences I've ever seen of like Jason Victor in the Skittles dimension. I'm sorry I keep using that but it's just it's what I got for it. A mesh of 2D animation in 3D and the texture imposed 2.5D that you get to see of them releasing all of these souls and then touching the hex core and them basically through all timelines, like Victor

revealing to himself that it was him in the past. It was me the whole time. It was me the whole time, but not me. It was incredible. A little late. Could have brought that up a little sooner. Could have said it a little earlier. Victor, touch my forward. Touch me forward. Quick. Well, I mean, he did, right? In the end of episode seven, or we found out that at the end of episode

seven, Victor revealed to Jace that he was the guy who not only saved his mother way back when and gave him the stone, but has been behind like all of like a lot of this stuff. Yes. Like hey, in my reality we kind of, I did this and I kind of mess it up for everybody. And so I think you're the only one that can show me that this isn't the way to do it. I'd like, I need you to go.

Because he says like, I promise. We're like, who do you promise to? He promised to the old Victor. Oh my God. Oh, my God. He was the major in the beginning of the series. But yeah, like you said, incredible, incredible stuff. I was very touched and moved by that entire sequence.

It was getting like, you know, just bros being bros, you know. Yeah. Touching foreheads and hugging it out. I wanted them to kiss so bad. I really thought they were. I thought they. I really thought they were. I was like, this friendship is a little beyond.

I was like, this friendship feels beyond. No, for sure. It would have been off. Fans all the cosmos? When Victor was like, why are you so persistent? Why can't you just let me do? He's like, because I want to kiss you. Because sometimes the homies, the homies got a kiss.

Let me tell you something. That's why it didn't matter what happened with Sky. That's why didn't have it with her, you know, because he's like, hard eyes only for Jace. She said, I never knew until to now. Yeah, Professor X and Magneto. Basically. If they had just kissed, wouldn't it happen like that? Nah, but yeah, seeing them have that moment on, you know, in the whatever Skittles dimension

we're calling it was, was really, was really special. and to see it all come from soccer for Jason Victor and like to culminate their arts I think was really, really cool. Yeah, to like take themselves both out to be like, because it looked like it could have just been Victor

but Jakes was like, no, we started this like we both got to go out together. And that's also like, not trying to say it again, but another flag to why I'm like, I wouldn't sacrifice myself for my friend. Oh, you wouldn't? Not for a friend like that? Not for a friend like that.

But I would sacrifice it for my lover. I would sacrifice for someone I love Let's just some right now It's like the list of people I'm like Sacrifice on my soul for It's not a high list It's not a lot of people on the list LeBron James

You have a lot of family member Yeah my family That's a lot of people LeBron James That's crazy That's pretty much it Porn Honey on a goat That's crazy

Not even Haley Seinfeld Your number of crush It don't mean like Stop that Can Haley Stinfeld don't? Nah What's her box score? Did Lailie Sinefield come back

3-1 against the Golden State Warriors? I don't know I feel like, I don't know where your priorities like sometimes, Joe me. Listen, we've been trying to figure it out. Like, I get sports. And then I'm like, but then there's certain girls. Did the Hedy Steinfeld score 40,000

points in the NBA? I don't think there's a limit to people you can sacrifice for. It is for me. Oh. I got to make a line. There's got to be a Mendoza line. There's got to be a line. Damn.

It's pretty high. I'm sorry. Who are you sacrificing for? Well, I'll tell you who Jenks is sacrificing for. Dang, that's true. Good segue. Bye. On the rickety, on the rickety platform

of ushering the plot along, we can, we can wait. Listen, they messed it up a little, come on, there's a lot going on in there. Like,

there's not going on in there. I'm like, yeah, it was for Vi, but I also think she was like, I think, yeah, for Vi and the stretch of the way of like,

you're not going to stop, so I'm going to have to put a stop to it, which is what Velka or whatever Silco said to her in that vision was like, sometimes you got to stop because those other people are never going to stop.

Oh, we didn't even mention that. That Silco Vision was actually really, really good. Yeah, because you guys were so caught up on the sexy. Sorry. There was a lot going on. There was a lot going on. It was very well done the way, like, you know,

because they have his eye. Glowing in the darkness. And they're using the hex little thing to mimic it. I thought it was really incredible. That scene with Vi and Jinx, you know, or Jinx sacrificed yourself for Vi is one of those where like, it's tough. because not only for like, you know,

I get it. She cannot, Jinx cannot be around, really. Yeah. Yeah, she can't. Because, you know, she did a lot. There was a lot, you know what I'm saying? I'm willing to forgive you,

but there are other people who really are. And I feel like the show, the show is kind of willing to forgive. But you, but then you start asking questions like, again, imagine if Darth Vader survived. And what's the redemption for that? Yeah. And they're just kind of like,

hey, what's up, guys? It's me. Remember when I was. redemption for a character like that. Remember the death star? And I think that's the best redemption she can get is being like, I have to do it. I have to take myself out of the equation. Like all of you guys, see how much turmoil you guys are all going through because I just

exist? I'm not even doing anything. But because of my living, you guys cannot seem to find common ground. Like, I am a common enemy. Let me take myself out. Let me tell you some. Shout out to Kate, too, because Kate went back and was like, maybe she did escape. I think Jinks Riley still is a lot.

You think so? Yeah. But you got to think about it. Right? Because why would they show Caitlin looking at the ducks and all the stuff at the end there? It's possible. It feels like it would be hard to it. We never saw her pull. Never saw her pull the pin anyway. But we saw the bomb explode.

We saw the bomb explode, yeah. I think she did. Well, only because it also would be better for the story if she does. It's like Kulman, like it has led to this moment. Death has been around her every which way, every corner, and she finally takes herself out. Nobody, no crime. I know. But hopefully they're not going the Marvel route. Nobody no crime.

Arcane is different. Arcane's like, all these people in the other universe, they could still be alive. Where is Hemerdinger? Where is Hemerdinger? Where is He's in a different universe? You know what I mean? I imagine if there's nobody, there's no ground.

I will say, for the writers, you should leave her dead. If you want to bring her back, it will get away of all of the emotion we had at the finale if she is still alive. And she just snuck into the sewers like a freaking like Phantom of the Opera. She just slunk away and was like, got the cool mask on. Because she's in pain. She is in her. She is hurt, especially after that little girl died.

She was like, I'm just hurt. I'm in pain. So she can't get a chance to heal? I think she can, but it's her character. It's how she feels. I think it's more respecting what she wanted. But again, and I feel bad for her in this only part that it was Vye's fault too. Because I'm like, Vi, you could not control yourself.

It's always Vy's fault. Honestly, I was getting kind of mad. At one point, I was like, Vy, especially every time she kept sacrifice. When she, after she died her hair black. started fighting in the ring, getting drunk every night. And then one random night, Jinx comes up and goes,

hey, sis, and she goes willingly. I was like, no. I don't think she went willingly. I think she got too drunk, got knocked out, and then woke up. I mean, not so much willing.

But again, the conversation was very brief. She was like, fuck you. I'm going to break your legs. Like, I'm going to break your legs. I'm going to break your legs. Clearly.

Well, well, shout out to Kate, too, because, again, this is why like, you kind of have to go because imagine it's like, told to her Thanksgiving and vise I get my family come through. And now I gotta eat Thanksgiving.

In my mother's home with the woman who murdered my mom's, that's not really. Kaelin was better than me. Kailen was better than me. I would have killed Jing's so many different times because I'm like, when that would make me so mad where she was like, there's a little girl there. You could have shot her. And she's like, you don't trust my shot.

I'm going to kill your sister. That's why you stop me. I'm going to get a sister. I'm going to kill your sister. I'm going to kill your sister. And my mom. mother's home. My mother's, oh, we have a mural right there.

Man, nah. Nasty work. And you're taking a photo next to it as a joke. Nasty work. That's not really how it got down. So, yeah, Jinks had to go. I mean, I don't know what they plan to do for the character if she's alive or not, but I think giving her like that, giving her the out of like, yeah, she's not around.

Whether it's dead or running away, I think is best for the story. Yeah. And we end on riding off into the sunset with your one-eyed boo. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Galen and Bye, just taking an air blimp out the city. You got it at this point. At this point, I'm not saying.

I'm leaving town. I'm not staying there. You know, Mel took everybody. Ambassador got packed up by the Black Rose. So she's now the rule. I guess she's in charge of what's called, noxas now. Yeah, pretty much.

She's in charge of them. They put Savika on the council. They were looking at her crazy. Respect Savika. But, yeah, I think as an ending, it served all parties. Everybody who we needed to follow up with or see where they were at, you know,

are either dead or, you know, live in a, you know, not a perfect life, but something that we can all be like, we can all understand and be like, you know, understanding and happy with it. Yeah, for sure. Well, to wrap up, how do we feel about Arcane as a whole? Where do we rank this as like one of the,

like, of the shows, the animated things that we've ever seen like we have Spiderverse Blue-Oad Samurai, this what do we like... Well, that's the hard part is I think this is a different category than those shows if it makes sense.

Because I'm also like, I will give them props for having to adapt this from a video game. From a video game that's not a video game. From a box of scraps. Yeah, from a box of scraps. Tony built this. Tony Stark built this in a cave. With the box of scraps.

I applaud Jomey's pause too that he did Because he was looking at that man in the eye. When he flicked that shit. Yeah. I'll give it, I think it deserves a different category because they adapted from a video game. They're like, not many people, like, it's a different world. And it's based off of the lore that is barely there to begin with. Yeah.

So it's like, it feels more original than it does adapted, but they made a great world for these characters. The first season was amazing. The milestones it made being like the first animated streaming show to get, to win an Emmy is already enough to be like, it deserves its props. The fan base loves it. I think it's really great. And quality-wise, it's phenomenal. Would, again, if I'm putting it against like blue-eyed samurai, that's not fair. It's a different quality of show.

No, it is. But other things that are like award-worthy. Award-worthy, it is in the top three. For sure. Because it's equal to, if not better than across the Spider-Verse, not beyond the Spider-Verst. And for all of the things that I would find wrong with it, it still stands head and shoulders above, like, 90% of the things you're going to find. I think you should really be comparing it to Netflix's model of

transitioning out shows. This is a series finale. Look at all the series finalees for Netflix's shows and then compare it. Because what Netflix likes to do, this is why I called it a demon company, is give you no time to actually finish your series. They're going to be like, you got to rush it,

and you got to get it out by now. So three years between one and two. And this is what we got. I'm very happy. And that's why I'm like, I'm very happy. compared to the ending of Umbrella Academy, compared to the ending of freaking... Listen, we don't need to talk about that.

Compared to the ending of even Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt to the series finale's for Netflix and this, this was really well done. Incredibly well done. I think when we talk about it in the pantheon of animated shows, I think it's definitely going to be up there in one of the ones that we look back on and go like, man, that was a time.

Like, we used to make stuff in this country. But actually, it was made by the French. Oh, yeah, it was. That's right. But what's really, like, interesting in, like, when I talk, when I think about, like, the, like, when I think about, like, animated shows that, like, like, I mentioned Avatar, right? It doesn't have the longevity that you would have wanted to have, right? It's 18 episodes over three years, you know what I mean? Like, when you watch it back, it's going to be incredible.

But you can only watch, again, only 18 episodes is what, like, but 15 hours of content, you know what I mean? Like, I guess, like, versus, like, we talk about, like, films and stuff. Like, it might, like, if we talk about, like, just this decade, it's definitely, like, I would put it up with Blue White Samurai. I would put it with across the Spider-Verse, and it would be in that level. But we talk about, like, everything that even, like, the 2000s, I don't know if it's,

I'd be hard-pressed to say it's above, like, an Avatar, something like that. It's a towering achievement. You know what I mean? Like, maybe I'm just, like, blazing my goat. But I really do think, like, if we're talking about, like, TV shows, like, animate TV shows, like, you got that. Well, Avatar also had, like, a lot, a lot longer of times. It's three seasons, like, 20-some-on episodes. Yeah, but, like, it's a certain.

I mean, like, it's different. But, I mean, just the quality in, like, because, again, it's 60 episodes of like straight gas you know what I mean and like there's again you're right like there are 20 episodes per season but there's some stuff man where it's just like we are like this is the best thing I'm watching like this the best thing I've ever seen yeah and I mean and so at least what it feels like to me and I mean again we will have to take like a longer view at it but just like off the top of my head I would if like if we're doing like a like a pyramid you know what I'm in and it's like one on top and then two

I would put Avatar in like that tier one where it's just like by itself in the Patrick Mahomes tier and then like probably right below it is like arcane in terms of just what it's done. I just think the longevity is probably the only thing keeping it from like really standing

on that level but at the same time with everything the animation the stories the characters everything that's done it's definitely going to be in our heads for a long long time and I hope this inspires a whole generation of people to create and make stuff like this because we don't get this. We don't get arcanes, you know, at all.

This is a generational thing. This is a generational thing. And so I want, again, not everything can be arcane, but I want more content like this. People taking swings like this because, I mean, they talk about all the time. It took them nine years to get this thing going. Yeah. And there were some points where they just like, you know, didn't know what, what was going to, what it was going to be.

And for it to turn out like this and be successful, you can only hope that more people get more opportunities to make stuff like this because God knows that we need some fire animation content, man. It doesn't happen on the West. We don't make this stuff anymore. No. Disney doesn't, like, isn't tapped in like this, you know?

And so if Disney's not like making animation like that, then where is it going to come from? You know, and I hope that people that are watching Arcane are like, yo, you know what? I'm going to start storyboarder. I'm going to start anime and let's do this thing. And when we're looking back 10, 15 years and we start talking to people and they're like, yeah, man, I was watching Arcane.

And I was like, yeah, this brought on a whole new generation. This brought on a whole new plethora of animated content that we can sit and join. I just hopefully that day comes soon and around later, but I can't wait to see it. I can't wait to see it too. I think we did it, guys. Oh! We talked Arcane. Doing the

Guys, what was your favorite part of season The Two Seas of Arcade? Mine was any part of the lesbian love. I mean, yes. Echo's flashback was pretty great. I really, really, really, really like that. I like that a lot. My favorite part was in season, season one, episode two.

You said season two. What was our favorite part? I just said the whole, over the two seasons. Oh, damn it. Yeah. I'm lying. It's still going to be lesbian love for you. No, I mean, that would seem was like

that meant something to me, but it was Maddie getting packed up. I've been a hater. Maddie getting packed up is pretty great. Ever since, ever since like the first frames of episode four, I've been a hater. And so for me personally, to see her die and see the blood pool. The life drained from her eyes. That's a horrible. It's pretty bad.

You're a horrible person. I mean, you would have thought that AD hit the game, went into the bubble again, bro. I was so hype, man. Vindicated. You're like vindication. Vindication. Amen. All I needed.

All right, that's going to do it for us. But don't worry, we're going to be talking to Arcane a little bit more in the coming days. But until then, thank you so much to the great Jessica Clemens for coming on talking about the finale with us. Thank you to the great producer, Kerm, an additional production from our Juneer Ramgapal. But don't forget, Monday, House of ours going to be giving you their glicked deep dive and June prophecy right after that on Tuesday. Jomey, parting words for the people. Guys, thank you so much for joining us across this midfember journey. We had so much fun charting these courses with you

and sailing the arcane seas, flying the flag of lower decks, and going deep on Vox Machina. We loved every single second, and we cannot wait to be in your earholes in the future. Well, because the podcast, they can listen to the ear. Yeah, y'all get it. Give a shout out to our intrepid producer, Mr. Number One, Kermitric Lamar. And we will... Mustard!

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