The Ringer-Verse - Armchair CEO: Paramount and Warner Bros. | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

The Boys are back, and this time they’re stepping into the role of CEO to discuss the projects they’d be green-lighting and IP moves they’d be making if they were at the helm of the Paramount–Warner Bros. megadeal. (00:05) Intro(12:45) Armchair CEO(1:16:48) Outro Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve AhlmanProducers: Jamie and Devon BaroldiAdditional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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been Sycamore before? I haven't been to Sycamore? You been? No. Hey, bro, Sycamore. Sickamore sick, man. Have y'all seen

a new midnight place say yet? I have. Well, we have seen where we're going to shoot. We have decisions to make about our set. Yeah. But it's going to be cool. So long story short, guys,

get ready, man. We upgrade it from this little small little booth, man. The table will be no more. Now, I'll say this. It's going to be nice. I'll say this. the shot is different. Have you guys seen the way

how I was learning looks? Yeah, yeah, very sexy. It's very low light. I was going to bring that up. I was just like, dog, this is some fucking after dark fucking shit. Now, it works for higher learning. I think it gives us a visual style.

But like maybe for the Midnight Boys, we do something a little bit more sterile, you know? Brightening the lights up a little bit? No, no. It's fucking Midnight Boys to Men. Come on. After midnight? On Ben did knee.

After midnight. We're on YouTube, like, comment, subscribe, share. You can watch every Midnight Boys and House of our episode on YouTube.com backslash at Ringiverse, also on Spotify. Programming a reminder this Friday. This Friday, button mash returns with looks at Marathon and Pokemon. All right, all right. First of all right.

Okay, way. Okay, man. You did that. What is every dude over a podcast? Already be like Pokeyman. Pokeyman. You know what it is. You know it's Pokemon.

Pocopia. What the fuck is Pocopoeia? It don't stop. You know, I'm asking. Hold on for a second. See, this is the problem. First, you didn't know Jackie Chan Adventures. Now you're calling it Pokemon.

Like, I mean, how else with y'all? There's a generation gap. It's been around for 30 years. You didn't have a Game Boy. I never. Is it okay if I didn't play Pokemon? It's okay if you don't play Pokemon. You know how to say, you know how to say it.

You know how to say it. Can I can I, can I, can I, what happened is, It wasn't necessarily the Pokemon situation that got me. Oh, it's the second one? It was the Pokemon, Pocapea. So when I was trying to do the Pocapea part, Pokemon slipped out. And I apologize to the Pokemon fans everywhere.

But I need you guys to understand. Like, there's stuff that you guys didn't do. Have you guys ever played in television? A what? So shut the fuck up then. No, what? And in television. Yeah, we weren't painting on cave walls either.

Stuff that happened like that when I was a kid. Like a video game? Yeah, so bust this. So there was this lady that lived next door to us. Okay. Next to the triad front. This was when we were living in Broussard Plaza, which is an apartment complex on Koi in Baton Rouge.

Lady that lives next door to us. And she had like a nephew. Right? It wasn't her son. She had a nephew. The nephew would come over and stay with her. white lady because the poor whites and the poor blacks and Gardia were together. Okay.

Were these ethnic whites, Italian, Irish, no? Well, they might have been Italians because Louisiana got a lot of Italians. Okay. But so they might have been, I'm not sure. My mom used to hang out with this lady. They would, you know, smoke weed and all that stuff. And so her little brother or her nephew or whatever will come over, and he had it in television.

This is the first home video game system that I had ever played. Who were the games? There was only like one boxing game that we would play. And the boxing people on the television would, they were like stick men. Right. It was this era. Mm-hmm. This around like the Atari 2,600 era.

There were stickmen, this era that you would play. And you were like, it's never a game better than this. And then I remember we were playing it in television. By this time, though, this is what it looks like. By this time, just to let you guys know, by this time, just to let you guys know, The Nintendo is fully out, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, the Nintendo is fully out.

I just didn't know anybody who had one, right? I didn't know anyone who had a Nintendo. The Nintendo is fully out. At this point, the Nintendo hadn't got to the point to where niggas I knew had the Nintendo. But the Nintendo is out. Mario was out. Everybody knew all this stuff was happening. So you knew Mario.

You're just going to play it. I just, I wasn't playing it, right? He had the television, and I was all into the television going crazy. We were going crazy. And then one day he came over. And he went, no more in television. What? And then he opened up his bag and he had a Nintendo on this.

Oh, my God. Change your life. Brother, Jesus. What was the first game you all played? On the, it was Mario. Right. So on the, bruh, I was in that bitch. I was like, yo, I came back over.

I'm sitting down in the house. I'm on the, like, it was like I was detoxed from heroin. You were tweaking. All of that from Pokemon. Also, House of Art returns back with Chris Pinola. What's that? The Crisp Nolan Winter

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It's still cold It's damn near spring It's 85 degrees out there That's here We live in L.A., brother It's always 85 You don't know what the world's out there Yeah

I don't know that I like it I'm just joking And it looks back at interstellar I think I'm on that Are you? What? I like it. Actually.

Yeah, I think I'm on it. Can't wait. Also, Midnight Boys give you their Oscar episode with a very special recast. All right, that's enough. On today's episode, we are bringing back Armchair CEO. Steve's in a lot of work on this episode, guys. Armchair CEO with a look at the Paramount Warner Brothers merger. Now, before we get into this, I would like to say that I hope that everyone out here

listening to us knows that while we talk about it, about this, and while we discuss the Paramount Warner Brothers merger in a very lighthearted and a jovial way with some of my favorite people to talk with. I just want everyone to know how

dramatically destabilizing this merger is for the entire industry. Yes. And not just from the standpoint of some of the politics that you guys might not agree with with the people that run skydance. I mean having state run media. Yeah.

Yeah. Not the mechanism that allowed this merger to take place, the cultural capture that goes along with this merger, is one set of problems. The other set of problems is the continued consolidation of American entertainment and American business, is specifically in media that has gone on since the Telecommunications Act was signed some years ago.

This is a major, gigantic problem. Yeah. And if you are looking for an issue that is non-existential, if you're looking for an issue that affects your, all of these issues affect our daily lives. But if you're looking for something to really get involved with in terms of your elected officials, this is not a bad one to get involved with.

I know it doesn't seem as important as checks on AI or immigration, or the environment or anything like that. But it is a issue of soft power of what happens when, you know, a political ideology can, like, capture Batman and Superman. So it's not something to ignore. And overall, just these types of conglomerates in their downshame economic effects, it's something worth watching in terms of you guys. I mean, not even just Superman, Batman. I'm just like what most of the major news networks in our country now are going to be under one company and one family. I also, before we get silly, the thing that I've been wondering, my big question is,

Warner has been passed around to so many companies. Do you guys think there is any chance that, like, Paramount Warner can actually last with the amount of debt that they've taken on, how, like, basically how successful they're going to have to be very, very quick to start paying it down? it seems almost too big in terms of like oh, calm down.

You all right? I need you to stop. It's too early. Because if we're, if we're being serious, if we look at what Disney did with Star Wars and Marvel, I think at the beginning of both those acquisitions,

you were just like, this is a slam dunk, home run. We love this, blah, blah, blah. You look a little later and it's like, oh, this is a very, very fat company that is hard.

It cannot move quickly, pivot quickly. And I see the same things potentially happening. Let's talk about that real quick, how those acquisitions, the acquisition of Lucasville and acquisition of Marvel, how maybe they are not a one-to-one here. Yeah. But they do sort of prime you for, I guess, they are, they're primer for this type of move. those are essentially places that are more directly creative. I mean, they're production companies. They're not necessarily full studio entities with all of those things.

They're production companies. You could argue that they're smaller production studios. It's Marvel Studios. Looks at all kinds of stuff. But they're not gigantic conglomerals with all of these properties like these others. However, when we start to see. see Disney or other companies like that grow

big by acquiring these things, it did sort of like normalize the idea of that. I mean, Fox is probably the better example when Disney bought Fox. Fox is, Fox is a was a legacy studio. Yeah. And then Disney acquires Fox

and we're like, oh, okay. And then what we did was go, hey, Disney acquired Fox. So that means that the X-Men can all exist in the M-CU. So we looked at it. All I'm saying is, and I know there are going to be people out here that are more conservative leaning that are going to listen to us say some of this and go, hey, the media has been liberal left-coded for a long time. And because it has been, this is you guys getting your just desserts because the Trump administration has a strategy to curry favor with the people at the top of these mergers and then use the FCC as a weapon to decide how big they want.

these companies to get that they can then will influence over. I get all that, understand all that. What I'm talking about is these companies are too fucking big. Yeah. It's strangling multiple industries. These companies are too fucking big.

They're too big. And this has a tremendous amount of effect. Jobs. Like, just that much control. And that much influence, particularly in this town.

Exactly. Where everything is downstream from entertainment. You know, the personal trainers, the valets, the servers at restaurants, the management of restaurants, all of that stuff,

all of those people, it's downstream from how this town flows and how the entertainment business works. And we're putting in the hands increasingly like three people, two people, one company, two companies. It's just, it's, it's nuts.

So as we do the armchair CEO, and we talk about the merger, the merger is a serious thing. And for the middle class of this, of this town and this industry, things are getting a little spooky. Yeah. So, okay. So armchair CEO, we're doing two big buckets, Game of Thrones to celebrate the end of Night of Seven kingdoms and the impending release of House of the Dragon. we're going to pitch either a movie a movie and a TV idea and then on the Paramount

Warner side we're also going to pitch movie TV I'll start us off with Game of Thrones there's a little anime called Full Metal Alchemist Full Metal Alchemist Full Metal Alchemist Popping

Arjunard already knows what I'm talking about Popping right But it was based on books they ran out, they had to create their own story, a la Game of Thrones. Then a couple years later, they come out with full metal Alchemist Brotherhood once all the books are finished

to give us more of a realistic narrative. My pitch for a movie is we do the Martin cut. We hire all the Game of Thrones, people from the final season, and we like Martin, we partnering you with the director? Martin. Come on, man. Do your vision.

That's okay. You never finish in these books. You never finish in the books, but you had a lot of problems with this last season. I mean, if we talk about anime that's not going to get finished or manga that's not going to get finished, we hear all day. Seriously thing. Actually, you bring up, it's funny you bring that up. I have a question for you specifically, Charles. Would you rather, like, as a Game of Thrones fan, be somebody, like, have the books not finish a la.

George? And, like, we're just, like, no one's going to. it's over or have the one piece thing where you never find out what the one piece is but the books keep going and going and going and going and going where you like never you never seen ending to your story but either the books just don't finish or they just keep going without one piece easily really easily it's because here's the thing it's not about the one piece it's about the journey okay so it should be the friends we made along the way exactly all right y'all know fucking battle show is nothing but boys being like french shit Yeah, yeah, I get it. Wait, so you're not fucking with it. Fucking with what? Yo, I'm bring back, bring back Harrington, killing it on industry. Bring back Amelia Clark.

Bring them back all of them. Live action? What is? Live action. And Martin is basically like, we're partnering him with the director, screenwriter, and we're just like, Martin, you in charge of it, we might give you a movie to. Come on. Okay.

Like, basically, it's like an addendum on. It's like, no, this is how it actually was supposed to happen. Right. What if like you start, I'm telling you start from the beginning and you do a book, accurate anime adaptation. Anime? Yeah. This is your pitch? No, no.

I'm just trying to level with Charles. Because I see the long. No, no, because here's the thing. We're getting, we're getting a Game of Thrones remake probably within the next, like, decade, 15 years. Like full, of the full show? Yeah, I think so. Really? That's a lot.

I mean, we get into Harry Potter. We literally getting a Harry Potter TV series next year. I've got, I've got thought. Thoughts on Harry Potter for my CEO? I can see it. I don't think they'll do it. A lot of the castes talked about how they don't want to come back to this thing. If the check clears and also it's the thing, Martin ain't finishing these books.

So, hey, give him one last big check and be like, hey. Fuck out of here, yeah. You think he's finishing these books? No, no. There are people, I've been talking to a bunch of people with some of my friends. And they'll be like, hey, I think he did finish the books. but he don't want to release him like once he's dead

though you release him just so he can't see like all the ops and I'm like yo stand on business big dog you're cute a man I at least the books get the cash bro run up to the sunset

you already did your big thing bro just just take if it's slander nah he letting he letting the show run to stick the fall he's just like damn they fucked my shit up all right I gotta go back to the drawing board now that's what is your excuse

I mean he said this like there are characters that have died like died in the movie of the show that didn't die in, like, vice versa. And he's like, oh, I might have made a mistake or something like that. Oh, gee. Because we didn't like the ending. And it's not that I, again, I think I said this on this podcast,

but I think the ending, like when you strip away all the nonsense makes sense, is just too jam-packed. It all happens like this in a world where Game of Thrones, like that, those kind of threads are stretched out. If Danny's going to go crazy on King's Landing, it can't happen within an episode and a half, right? It needs to have both in a season and a half. But for him Dragonstone, being sad, being mad, like, you know,

killing people every so often you go huh Danny's kind of losing a little bit instead of from a Sunday to die she goes yeah actually boom all y'all dying like it just kind of happens too rapidly okay so the so this is seasons one through seven the brotherhood cut the Martin cut yeah

full on Markup okay Martin cut I'm working okay Martin cut all right Van where you're going TV movie I see TV show Game of Thrones TV show Brothers and bastards it is the Blackfire Rebellion

How many seasons? So it depends because there are many different Blackfire rebellions, depending on how good this show is. Which, you've got to do the first one. We're doing the first one. Got to do the first one. So Jacob Allorty as Damon. He's a little busy being fired, but I got you.

Oh, he hasn't accepted that yet. Oh, okay. So you're like... You don't think you'd be a good blood rave? Maybe. Jacob All righty. As David Blackfey? He's a little too pretty, I feel like, for the Game of Thrones world.

We just had the James Bond conversation. Damon Blackfire is like supposed to be. He's supposed to be like the ultimate Targaryen. Yeah. Okay. He's like the ultimate Targaryen, which is why his father. So this is a story that like legitimately, it's almost in the realm of House of the Dragon, except it is the origin story of both guys and how you get to the Blackfire Rebellion.

one as a Targaryian bastard who is the quintessential Targaryian but is outside of his family because of the entire also talks about the dysfunction of the king and how many bastards he was having and just the overall story of the blonde-haired blue-eyed Targaryian bastard that lives in Westeros like their whole life where do they go what do they do? Like you know what I mean? that they're of royalty you can look at them and tell that they're royalty like they have the blood of the dragon they actually have two Targaryen parents in this situation but they are away

from the throne like people who are reaching for the throne that they really should be in a way a part of but only convention makes them not a part of it then you have that same story which is one of the most just opposed with

the son and what's the guy's name it's Damon and Darren, right? Darry, yeah, Darry on the Good, yeah. Daron the Good. So you have him who is legitimately a Targaryian, the son of the king, and still the king denies him his birthright.

It's really two different brothers in a fight for birthright, which is trying to be a legitimate Targaryen, even though the real story is that that really no longer exists in Westrose anymore. Like that's actually gone, which is what happens to the Targaryian dynasty. So where do you start? Do you start with like Baylor the Blessed and his whole thing about like not marrying or not consummating his marriages so that Agon can then have sex with his supposed wife and then

have Damon? I start with them as older men and I go into, I tell the story heavily through flashbacks to when they were children because I can't do the house or the dragon thing. where they start as kids. I guess I'm surprised you didn't go with Roberts Rebellion. Also, I know that was for Jomey. Oh, Jomey got Robert's Vendon. Yeah, I know that that was for Jomey.

That, to me, is the slam dunk one that you would tell. Like, you could do Roberts Rebellion. That's the slam dunk. They don't want to do it, though, for whatever reason. Right. But I knew that Jomey wanted that. So for me, I think this is actually like a super interesting Game of Thrones story.

And that would be my pitch. Yeah, Roberts Rebellion, for me, simple TV, easy, simple. I know that George wanted to do it as a play. Big Dog, hey, appreciate that, man. You're doing your thing. Finish them books, but we're not trying to do that, my man. We're not trying to.

You're trying to go to England and watch some Roberts, rebellion play? Exactly, right? So here's the thing. And here's what I want to do, like, specifically. Because over the last couple of weeks, I've been reading Fire and Blood, and I finished it. It's wonderful. One of George's best. But me and the book people have been, like, really beefing online for a minute because they want, like, accuracy in this thing.

They want, like, book accuracy. And I'm trying to be nice. I really want to be kind. But it don't really, it don't really gel. You know what I'm saying? So, have you read Fire and Blood? No. Oh, brother.

It's like a historical retelling from, like, different points of view of what the Targaryan dynasty, right? So it's essentially like a, what, like a secondhand, third-hand account of what happened in the, what, 150 years before Game of Thrones? And you're saying we can't be that accurate to Agon's conquest. I'm saying because it's difficult because you're getting sort of,

like a lot of the book is, this may have happened, this may not have happened. Okay. Right. The problem with House of Drag. Right. Yes.

So what I want to do to bridge that gap between me and my book, friends, again, I want a accurate retelling of Robert's Rebellion to the point where there's a part of Robbers Rebellion

where Ned is stuck on Three is stuck on an island for like six months to a year with this lady and they're just out there like he can't because he can't get back to to Goldtown because of John Aaron. This is my fucko Odysseus? Kind of. Right. And I want he stuck there for a year and I want I want all of that in the show. All the crazy. I want crazy.

I want every detail in the show. Every single bit. Right. So we get the Battle of the Trident, the Battle of the Mandar, the whole thing. just straight down to Georgia's vision. And so when it's all sudden done, we finally get one, one adaptation that is completely book-accurate.

And I want to see how people respond to that. Robert's Rebellion? Yeah. That's how you want to do? Interesting. Just completely faithful. No, my thing. Completely faithful.

Do you guys think that Blackfire and Robert's Rebellion are two different shows, or do you think they could do like an anthology series where they're like... No. Robert's Rebellion,

like, if it was between the two of these, you have to go to Robert's Rebellion. right? Robert's Rebellion to me that's, it's funny that Jomi says it this way, and this is where people's projections would have kind of conversations right, when we were producing this. Okay. I would do that show differently.

I have a different version. I mean, I mean, I would do the most accessible version of that story. So not the indoor version. Nah. Nah. Because the story is essentially a tragic love story. It's essentially Romeo and Juliet.

And it is. I mean it is. It's essentially Romeo Juliet and it's like, and the fact that they, that the entire kingdom gets ensnared into this is like to me what makes it super. Like you cast a beautiful Rhagar, a beautiful Stark sister, and then you build the world out from them. Ned to me is, he's like a like almost a pissant character in it. Doesn't really care. Doesn't really matter. Like, he matters,

but he's one of the things that gets, this is, this, this is like an origin story for Nets. Yes. And like, in a way. But I,

but I see that, that would be an interesting. I mean, obviously, like, if I was, like, actually in Paramount,

yeah, you do the most successful version, but I'm trying to bridge a gap between me and my options. Oh, you're reaching out for them. I'm reaching out. I'm reaching out. I'm putting an olive branch

because they're like, oh my gosh, Megor wasn't in the show. Oh, and it's like, dog, It's a useless character. It's just there.

I don't want to spoil the show. But we've been, I'm just trying to extend all of ranch to my people right now. So, Steve? I have a, like, a tangential part of that Roberts Rebellion story that I've wanted to make.

Like, again, I didn't want to have like a sort of like one-for-one retelling because I was really inspired by Night of the Seven Kingdoms and really because of its accessibility. And what I wanted to make was a kind of band of brothers for the Game of Thrones universe,

set in Roberts Rebellion, really focusing on, like, sergeants, soldiers in between all of these battles that kind of give them a bit pretty much like a portrait of war around these big figureheads around Ned around all of these bigger people to sort of like give them a more human story about like the small folk and I don't really have a cast but like that's kind of the vibe that I wanted to portray because this is a lot this is a very battle heavy war it only lasts for like about a year and change for like all of these battles that like you get like a season is

basically building up to an entire battle around certain character's stories. So it's just about the warfare portion of it. Interesting. Because I think that's box office. People complain a lot about... This is a movie or a show? This is a show. Okay. But HBO needs the fucking, you know what I'm saying? You need the love story. Do you though?

In this particular point, I mean, look, that's actually interesting. I mean, it is. That's interesting. It is. But like, in this particular show, to me, the war and the battle part of it is what sort of solidifies the narrative.

But man, this starts like before then. Yeah. It's like it starts significantly before. As a tournament. How much political intrigues? But that's what I really like about a sort of band of brothers angle because like what made that show really important is the fact that like all these guys were signing up for something that they themselves kind of believe in. So this is kind of like half told stories.

You're going to interrupt me. No, no, no. Keep going because I have an idea. Right. Oh, okay. Oh, shit. No, this was like a thing where I was like this is when Jomey doesn't believe. leave in me where he's like, brother, it's not going to work. I do do that. I do do that. No, but

like what I wanted is the idea of like the sort of like political ideologies that trickle down from generals and knights and all of these bigger entities that reflect on the small folk to see what actually drives them to battle. That is kind of the thing that actually

worked so well with Night of the Seven Kingdoms because these are all stories. These are all things that people are forced to believe in because of them. And the figureheads are there. All of the big starts to the world are still they're kind of like barching down the orders, but like the way that it's reflected

is in the people. Robert Brathian, the Hoping. Yeah. So here's, so like the band of brothers angle, I like, but there's what I'm thinking.

Instead of Robert's Abelian, Agon's conquest. That could work more. Whereas, this is tough. You see these are too tough takes. Too tough as in which one? So here's the problem with Robert's,

with Agon's conquest. Which is essentially about one of the most important people. The thing about Night of the Seven Kingdoms is that, the Seven Kingdoms wasn't about anything besides a dunk. Let's talk about it then because there's

a bake-off with Agon's Conquest. A big off. Damn here, right, because of Bo Willemann from Andorffin, legendary in Hollywood, he's doing the movie or writing a treatment for the movie, but then they're also trying to see if they can do it as a show. So let's just have the conversation.

Agon's Conquest. Movie? Show. I'm thinking making a limited series three-night event, like, first episode. I think Agon Conquest can be a movie. Roberts Rebellion has to be a show. I think in regards to Agon's Conquest,

the thing about Agon's Conquest is really just show up with dragons. We're going to burn you down. There's a tiny setback. Cool, we're going to set these dragons up. We're going to burn you with Salver. It's really not competitive. It's not like, you don't go into there, and you're not like, oh, man, I wonder who's going to win this fight.

John's got Longclaw, but the White Walkers are coming all. it could go either way or like he's like really it's a really scary force it's like no we have ballerian we have vagar we have maraxis it's not really competitive do you think you could get martin to flesh it out i think we could but then like that really depends on what he does with agon what he does with vassanian what he does at raines right like that like that relationship and or is barathian right if he can find because in the book in the in the in the book like there's tale of he margon marries Vassignia out of duty, he marries Rainy's out of love, right?

And so if you want to, like, do, I don't know like if a love child, I don't really like see that, you know what I mean? Challengers, come on. Challenges, Westrose, maybe. But people don't, people might come for that. People come for the dragoners. I don't know if they stay for that. Is Game of Thrones a cinematic experience? Well, like, like, it

I feel like it could be. But think about the, think about, oh, I'm sorry, gentlemen, go ahead. I feel like it could be. Because imagine if, like, we start and it's some a dude and he had the castle, man, he chilling, bro. And he, like, you know, he spent like, five, ten minutes for him, like, doing his day. And then, like, it's the bright sun and then it's just darkness. And he's like, yo, where does sun go? It's sweet chilling. And then fire rains down. And it's like,

Cloverfield, bro. You don't know what's happening. It's just on fire and dark. And you running. And you look up and it's the biggest dragon you've ever seen in your life. And you ain't never seen a dragon before. You're like, what is this? And then boom, you're like in a war with this dude who's got freaking fighter jets coming and that you didn't even know existed. But think, we're thinking function, think story. Mm-hmm. Right.

So think the virtue of the story, right? Think about what, think about, like, what story you want to tell or you feel like it's compelling to tell, like, out of these particular worlds. What is Agon's conquest? Yes, it is about the, you know, dragons and all that stuff. But it is about the remaking of a world. Right. Like legitimately, it's about the remaking of the world.

It's the French Revolution. It's the American Revolution. It's Alexander the Great. It's legitimately about the remaking of a world. So the story there is fire and dragons and brimstone, and it's all of that. But it's also a multifaceted story about the reorganization of a society. And you're saying it's a movie is not enough time. Well, what I'm saying is if you do a movie, number of,

one, the movie has got to be oriented around Agon and his calling to do this. I think I agree with that. Right. So that's the number one thing. It has to be, but it also has to have enough there to where the fundamental lives of everyone else that lives and what's going to become the nine kingdoms is shown. So you have to, it's like how are, if you were, it's one thing to do the, the American frontier from the standpoint of the settler.

But it's a different thing to also include the perspective of the Chalktax, the Chittamachi, the Cherokee, the Airquois. That's so difficult to do in a two, two and a half hour. That's huge. That's a lot. But like in order to do, if you do the Michael Vey version of the conquest, is dragons burning shit for two or three hours. But if you really do it, the way it fundamentally creates a world.

this really deep and rich world. All of these houses, forever changed. Think about, just think about, like, the Starks themselves. The Starks are an ancient family that believe themselves to be the relatives of legitimately the first men. Mm-hmm. They come, they come to bend the knee to a newcomer, an alien invasion to their world. So you have to get, like, to tell that story in a way that's, like, story first, it has to be grand. like so I don't I don't know how but if there's not enough narrative there do you get into the house of the dragon like actual book narrative in terms of like do you who do you trust to make sure it doesn't seem a little bit wobbly compared to the OG this is this is the issue the issue is what you could do was pare that back a little bit and just kind of go into the movie full throttle dragons burning shit like that

could do that. But I personally think you're going to come away with a movie, in my opinion, that feels a little flaccid. Like, there's going to have to be some expansion of it. They're going to have to be characters created that we haven't met before.

There's going to have to be like a real, like, world-level interrogation of the cultures that were created and destroyed in it. That would be the best way to do it, although they might not be able to do that. I have a Game of Thrones movie before we move on. Yeah, go for you.

This movie is about a young dragon in the West Earl's. He's a young. It's a Game of Thrones kids movie. Okay, you're not being serious. All right, you're not being serious. You're not being serious. That's funny. That's how to train your dragon for...

What are you talking about? Game of Thrones? It's how to train your killer dragon. Right. I'm going to do a Game of Thrones movie that basically is how to train your dragon. But fuck that. But fuck that. Kiddy bullshit, right?

I'm talking about how to train your children. So it's a lot of kids movie, actually. Right, right, right. I'm talking about evil Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer dragon. Right. Saw this in House of the Dragon already. No, but we're going bigger. Is the kid like a Damian owner?

No, no, no, no, not the kid. I'm talking about the dragon itself. Dragon comes out like the drag. We understand the dragons and their culture. We get into the history of the dragons and themselves. Right. We talk about there's a dragon mother that explains how the dragons came to be connected to the Targaryians.

The dragons are actually thinking about whether or not they like being the on the side of the Targarys. They don't know if this is working out for them. Because like, so, so they don't, like, so, but this. The dragons are talking? Yeah, the dragons have their own culture. Oh, they talk? Are they talking?

The dragons can communicate with one another. No. We understand. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. The dragons can communicate with one another. There are some dragons that want to be on with the Targaryans. and then there's some dragons

that say, hey, we should be able to fly around you want. So Tom Holland voicing a Game of Thrones dragon? No, it's Chris Pratt, easy. Chris Pratt. It's somebody else, all right? And listen. Wait, wait, wait, do they have, are they talking in High Valerian? Like, do we hear them and then we see subtitles? Or they...

Yeah. Or maybe we just hear their roars. Yeah. I thought it'd be like a Valkyrieffat. You're not being serious. I'm being serious. I want to, I want, but this is a villain, a villain origin story.

Okay. Of a young dragon that at first, like kind of wants to make friends with someone who is not a Targaryen right and then they say you can only make friends with Targaryens and then he goes no this is my friend okay and we don't want to be with Dorn some shit like whatever Dorn is perfect you know why because Dorn is the Dorn are the last people that are rebelling right so maybe he had a Dorn his friend and they're cool play Dragon games a whole nine, but then at the end, you know what happens?

He burns the fucking shit out of his door and his friend burns his fucking flesh off his face. Right? At the end, he becomes a Targaryen dragon. He joins the evil army with the rest of his people. Story-wise, I think it would make more sense if, like, you know, he's trying, he has the Dornholmey, and then maybe the Dornhommy's families, like in the army,

they kill one of his dragon buddies, and he's just like, this is why we can never be. That's what I'm talking about. But see what I'm saying? It's a story of a young dragon and the, it's a story of a young dragon in Game of Thrones. This is some scouts and cruci. Right. But it is what it is.

There's a lot of pluck. There's a lot of plug. There's a lot of plug. But dragon pluck is different than. Oh, my God. Okay. Again, a thousand percent. It is dragon first.

Is the dragon cute? Is our main protagonist dragon cute? Hell now. It's not like. All right. All right. Before we get Paramount HBO. the other rumors that we've been getting

is that there might be a John Snow are you a show? And Pew Pew Productions, do we believe in that shit? Are we kind of like, nah? If that's, if that's that... Move that alone. That's the first thing I'm scrapped up.

We try to print money, though. Fuck y'all. Because I'm taking my dragon show. I'm doing it on my own. Do it. Okay? I got to let you know. I'm taking my dragon show.

I'm doing it by myself. Yeah, that's the type of idea, David Ellison would be like, that sounds like it got a lot of... You got some legs on it. And then, yeah. Like, it's like top guns with dragons. And then guess what?

See? See? Hey, hey. And see what the fuck I'm talking about? Now, see, see, now. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait. You know what I'm gonna be?

Y'all gonna be up here, pardon. I'm gonna be at my Lago. Stop, stop. Like, I'm like, eating on caviar. Topgo. Because, so my movie. So my movie, my movie pitch was the Doom of Valeria, right? And so I'm thinking like the beginning of Man of Steel

with like, you know, you know, candor all getting destroyed, whatever. But Top Gun with Dragons is cool. Top Gun with Dragons is awesome. It's fire because, think about it. Because other people rode dragons in Valeria.

But the Targaryans, the Valerians, and the Celtagars left after the dream. Danes had a dream that the Doom happened. So they left to go to Dragonstone. Doom happens. Imagine if the top gun of Valeria was out there trying to fight the Doom

and they all died because of the... The volcano erupted. That's fire. So it's like Dragon Flight Academy. Exactly. Young Bloods Learned out of Ride Dragons. And it all goes to hell. I don't mind.

That's not a bad idea. Top Doggons is good. Right that damn. It's not as good as a dragon first movie. You literally pitch us how to try. Here's the thing. We do own Top Gun. Tom Cruise.

As you guys have Tom Cruise. We do own Tom Cruise. We do. Hey, hey. Hold on. Hold on for a second. Hold on. Hold on. What if we combine the worlds?

Yeah. What if Maverick? He's like doing one of them experimenting, like the beginning of the Top Gun Maverick. Yeah. And he messes up and he goes back in time

or whatever. This is that Indiana Jones going back in time shit? Yeah. Fucking Tom Cruise goes. And he ends up in... Oh, hold on. Hold on.

This is cold. We got the movie. Maverick goes back in time. Maverick gets sent on a mission. He goes so fucking fast. He breaks fake time or something like that. He goes into a different galaxy.

And then boosh, all of a sudden, he ends up in Westero's back in the day or something like that. and they ask him, you know, we can't fly. And Maver goes, I can fly anything. Fucking grows his fucking hair out. He's teaching him how to fly. He's like, it's all the things.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. He teaches him how to fly dragons. You're saying that he's the last samurai for Westrose. It's fine. But think about it. This is like, now we're on some like fucking, oh, also we got like prayers and blessings

to Bruce Campbell. Like, oh, yes, yes, yes. But think about it, we're on some Army of Darkness type shit. You're now in a different single, put Maverick in that bitch. Put them in the story since we've done the emergency, we've ruined and everything. What dragon do you think, because I think Tom Cruise could mount any dragon. Ballerian, Vagar, I think he's built for the moment. Yeah.

Right? Which dragon do you think? Who's the big one from House of Drag Amiens? Vagar? Vega? No. Bacis, but hold on. Wait, is that too, not because.

But see, that's what I'm saying. He's like speed. That's a scene. Everybody goes, he would go up to, he would look at all the dragons, and he'd be talking to everyone, he'd go, you think that I want to ride this. It's big.

It's intimidating. It's burly. You're afraid of it. That's not what moves me. What moves me is the ability to take my fucking dragon and push it to the limit. Speed. Danger zone place.

Danger zone. Still. And then we're going through the, Wait, wait, wait, wait, if we fuse your other, your how-to-training your dragon idea, I like Tom Cruise choosing a dragon, nobody else believes in. He sees it. He sees the aerodynamics, the speed. Our dragon. Right. Our, like, our young dragon that's coming in, that him and Tom get together.

Right. Cisco doing, yeah, we got to work. Obviously, Cisco's in the movie. Yeah, Cisco's in the movie? Yeah, absolutely. Cisco's one of the people that's like from the, you know how to like the Top Gun Maver's school. Like, Cisco's one of those people. Well, all right, while we're talking about corporate mergers,

I'm being so serious. They already got Harry Potter up in HBO. I'm walking in to the company, and I'm like, hey, yo, new HBO series, prestige. Like, Tony Gilroy, I need you to do the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, right? Live action. Tony Gilroy's Teen Teen Teen Teen Teenish Turtles. I think that's a lot.

That's a lot. Prestige. Hey, man, I'm not going to lie to you. I think we're out on the live action Teenage MutiNit Turtles. Stop. No, we're not. We can't do that. No, that first Michael Babe will be terrible.

We got to bring the suits back. The first Michael, I don't know if it was terrible. I don't think they looked right. I think. Shredder looked cool. They got the spirit of the turtles right for show. Like those are like,

yeah, it looked terrible. They didn't look terrible. They didn't look at watching the Knicks game. I was like, that's bad. I mean, if I was a teenage mutant ninja turtle.

I think that if they did the teenage mutant ninja turtles in a way that was actually sort of serious, it would work fucking fantastic. Well, but they didn't want to do the last Ronin. The last Ronin movie, is what I actually wanted to see. Did you read that comic?

I read a little bit of it. That would be fucking... The last run is an incredible story. If they did a version of the turtles where the turtles were first, the turtles were almost like lore in New York. Like people didn't know what was going on. Like almost like a slightly like

action movie mixed with a horror almost. Yeah. To where people were seeing these things, they didn't know what they were. They're going viral on social media. Right. Like, you could have a cool campaign, and it would be like, what's in the sewer? Like, if you thought of what, like, what's in the sewer?

Like, people are, like, there's something coming out of the sewer that's, like, beating people up. And they're, like, criminals going, yo, I swear to God. It's not me. No, no, no, not that it's not me. There are people that, there are criminals going, I swear to God. I got beat up by a five-foot-seven turtle. Five-foot-seven-twe. I would want him Giamel del Toro.

shape of a while. Like they, people are like, no, these are monsters coming out of their suit. Yeah, like something's happening and people don't know. And then, and then April O'Neill starts to like investigate what's happening in the sewers. Like she is the one that like, Megan Fox, Megan Williams or something. No. No, we got to go like Amy Adams or something. Amy Adams. You need like a serious April O'Neil. Like this movie is the, it's the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles, but like it's like April O'Neill is obsessed with what's going on. What's Diane Krueger doing right now? Whomever. But it's like,

maybe you, I guess you have to go younger, I don't know, Margaret Quali. Like somebody like that, right? Marka Quali. So like,

what's happening in the sewers? What's going on in the sewers? What's going on? And then she goes down there and she meets one of them and she starts to see that turtles have culture. They have a rat dad

and they have all of that stuff. And the stuff that they're doing is actually nice. But when Donatello is explaining to her all of the stuff that's happening in the sewers, she realizes that Donatello is a genius. Uh-huh. And that, like, the monsters that live in the sewers are actually helping New York.

And then that's their bond and boom. And by the end of it, the people come to the turtles as, like, basically, heroes. Right. But they can't look like monsters. At first they would. I think they should look like monsters. I think that, like, when people, when we see people talk about them and imagine them in their heads, they're definitely like monsters. But once April's in the sewers, brother, they got to be palatable because what's not going to happen?

No, I think they should earn. Like, I think the first movie, this should be. be like a Batman Begins type shit where it's like they look like monsters and by the end you know they get their bandanas you know they don't she helps humanize them all right well and they know I'm just being for real

like if you're if you're gonna do the turtles now you get to the wisecracking version of the turtles but you get that you we get their personalities after at least some version of the people doesn't look at them as freaks is there a way that it's like to make it a

little less cartoony, instead of them being actual ninjas trained by their dad, they monsters, they just got the moves. They're like fighting. They nightcrawling. No, respect splinter, bro. Come on. Now, you got to have Splitter. You got to trade up.

No, we're still in it. Yeah. But once you start doing it. Like, he's got to be the spirit of playfulness a little bit. Now, we got to. I mean, guys, it's a re-entering. It's a teenage. But think about it.

Technically, they're teenagers. They monsters, but they only been around for like. I need some rapping in this. Think about. Think about it. I do. been a lie said. Yeah.

Think about April walking through the sewers. I'm talking about like, fucking Craigger doing this or something like that. Zach Craigger? Yeah. Think about April. She's walking through the sewers and the turtles can disappear

and all of a sudden there's a shot. She comes out. There's a little light on her. But behind her, we see the turtles. And then she turns around, they're gone.

Like actual something that throws us off balance a little bit. But it turns out they're actually helping in New York. And they Shredder's not in this first one. There's some other goal. We almost would have to invent a new villain for the three.

Wait, right. No, Shredder. Shredder's not in this first one. Right. Shredder actually is inspired to get the turtles because when, you know, when they make themselves available to people,

he's like almost, Shredder's almost like an exterminator that looks at the turtles as vermin and wants to like exterminate them. And that becomes the sole purpose of the foot claim. Can we get Ken Lowe, Shredder? Oh, dude. Come on.

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And here's the thing. Shout out Michael Bay, you know, not the greatest person in the world, but he can direct a freaking Optimus Prime. I want an Optimus Prime-centric Transformers movie. You're like, oh, Jummy. All these movies are Optimus Prime-Centric. No, no, no, no.

I'm talking one or it's Optimus versus the world, bro. Right. Like, you know that scene in Transformers 2? When he's like, I'll take you all on. It's sin versus five decepticons. And he put two in the dirt and it only takes to Megatrom, sneak him in the back to kill him. That's what I want. And I want it.

It's got to be Michael Bay. I'm sorry. I know Travis Knight. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It has to be, it? It has to be Michael Bay. Wait, so is it, but is this like young optimist?

Are we doing like the old man Logan? Old man Logan. Old man. Old man, Optimus is crazy. Oh, he does he have a cape? No, no, no. He could. The thing, and the thing I think, because, you know, we've seen the 1984.

I've seen, like, all the, like, at least a bunch of the shows. Automis is, like, kind of a chill guy for, like, somebody who's been finding a war his entire life. Right. And I think the thing that I enjoy about Michael Bays, Optimus, in particular, is that he can get really angry. Yeah. A lot. And I love that part of Optimus. I'm sorry.

And, yeah. It might be. one of my guys and I just need you all bear with me I'm a different human being I am me I can only be me one of my top three moments in all of cinema is when at the end of transformers three when megatron is like who would you be without me prom optimus is like time to find out and he closes sight steed and he put B to A to Megatron that's i just want that I just want that feeling across two and a half hours of iMacs uh of movie making so who's the villain in old man Optimist. So what I, it can be Unicron.

Unicron's too big. And at this point, I feel like it could be, it could be like Alvatron, right? Somewhere like, you kind of have. You invent somebody. Invint somebody new. Invent somebody new? Yeah. I will invent somebody new.

So you put Old Man Optimist either on a planet or in a situation where he literally has a kill list. Yeah. Oh. Where like they're fucking 12 or 13 robots. Come on. Oh, just listen. Where they're 12 or 13.

robots that have like taken over the world or something like that. Right? They've taken over the world, Univore, Cybertron, niggatron, wherever the fuck we are. And so,

oh my last one, this is some kill bill shit. But listen to what I'm saying, though. Like, every story's already been told, right? So my shit is going to be referential.

Fuck it. But like, it, but what I'm saying is, this movie does something exact opposite to other Transformers movies. Other Transformers movies don't give you enough prime. This movie gives you only prime.

Only prime. So, like, he, hey, Optimus, you're the only one that can stop us. Hey, I'm Bumblebee's fucking grandson, Tumblebee. Nah, it's all that. Like, whatever happens. Bumblebee got got. I think all the Autobots should be dead. All the Autobots are dead.

They're all dead. And it's Optimus Prime and it's like legitimately like 10 different super robots that like probably run factions throughout the thing. And he has to kill them all. And once he's doing it, he's realizing that some people like their rule. It's like there's hearts and minds. minds, it's all of that stuff, and it's prime, and then it's just prime fucking fucking movie. I think he should realize if he's on Earth, the human's trying to resurrect

Megatron. He's just like, fuck, I got to go. Like something, like something happens where Optimus has to just get busy for two hours. He's getting fucked up. There's somebody who could fix him that he meets, and all he doesn't know who to trust, cough, fucking oils coming out. I'm not talking about some real Usually in these movies, you know, you got the lone guy. Who's like the person next to Optimus? Is it, is it a human? I don't think it's a human.

It's not a human. I mean, Clipjumper always dies too soon. Honestly, it should, it should be the most annoying transformer ever. It should be like the fucking, no, he'd be like the head of like Star Scream or whatever. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's a head of the world. Like he's like, it's like God of Wars. It's on his hip.

Yeah. Like, yeah. All right. Well, last idea for this, because this is a good idea. What if it's a dog? Oh. Optimus has a actual... A transformer dog or an actual human dog?

I think a real dog. A real dog. Optimus has a dog. The dog is who optimist is old man optimist throughout the wild wild west of whatever. Hero and dog. Dog gets busy to. Dog runs through.

Look, James Gunn. James Gunn, that's fine. That's fine. James Good always put his dog in the fucking love and make us care for the dog. Congratulations, James Gunn. We can get the same dog from, we could get the same dog from crypto.

We get the crypto dog. Dog almost dies at the end of the movie. Dog almost dies. But then it becomes part transforming. Because part transformer. No. And now the dog all live forever with Optimus Prime. What is he a hyperlegs so he can go real fast?

The dog becomes part transformer. He fucking used the all spark on the dog. No, no, no. No, no. We do a soul transfer from. From the dog body to the robot dog body. Same thing. The second movie.

The second movie, Sam dies, but he doesn't go to human heaven. He goes to robot heaven. Right. So we know that is this. I forgot about this. So the dog can absolutely go to robot heaven. They say, hey, bro, don't hear about it. All dogs go to robot heaven.

We got you. Boom. Now he got some cybernetics. Hey, we're cooking. Yeah. All right, Steve. That was, okay, well, I shat the bed and I just wanted to make Transformers 2. Jesus.

I just love that cartoon. Oh, Transformers 1? Yeah, yeah, Transformers 2. like a sequel to Transformers? Oh, I had a... I was a good movie. I was literally agreeing like that in the second, but I wanted to, like, more so adapt

Daniel Warren Johnson's comic run of Transformers where basically the War of Cybertron has begun, but it immediately gets transferred to Earth because they nearly destroy it. Man, we gotta stop putting humans in these Transformers movies, man. It's kind of the... They're the worst part. It's kind of the humans in Godzilla movies problem

because you're never as compelled to just watch Godzilla cook rather than any other Transformers. And that's the thing. Cantoros can talk. Yeah, but Godzilla can't talk. We usually spend time with Godzilla swimming and burning people up and then going

back to the ocean. But with Transformers like they can have conversations. Which is why my crossover idea because Warner Brothers has got Godzilla and Kong, Transformers Godzilla. Oh, no. Crossover. Mega Godzilla transforms. Oh my. Mecca Godzilla transforms.

Because here's the thing. We need to offload debt. We just need profit. So all we need is crossover. Wait, wait. Is it just Godzilla or is it Godzilla Kong versus Transformers? It, match it, make it, make it a Decepticons versus Autobots thing where like Godzilla's on the Autobots, Kong's on the Decepticons, Kong's on the Decepticons, Vice versa. Kong would never be on the Decepticons. That is so fucked up. That would never happen.

So here's a problem with these movies is always, there's always, Con versus Godzilla, but they always got to come together to fight something else. What is the thing that the Autobots, is it the Deceptic, the Decepticons take over Mech and Godzilla? And so now, Khan, Godzilla and the Autobots. It could be a fight against the Decepticons and Mech Godzilla. Here's where you're right. because Godzilla pretty much always beats ass for Kong.

Godzilla would kill Kong in an instant. Exactly. Which is why I'm like, Godzilla's got to learn the error of his ways this time. He's on the wrong side. But I've always, and we probably already had this conversation, I always felt like Kong was like a Batman

and Godzilla was Superman. Where it's like if Kong got enough prep time. Yeah, he's got a pulse of funds. Kong never preps though. That's the thing. Like, you know, why are you such a fucking hater? I'm a hater for Kong because he always

it's served. He's like, you're right. Because the movie answers this question. Because remember, you don't like Khan because he from Africa? No. No. That's what it is. I just don't like a loser. Can I also just say really quick because we've never actually brought it up on the Midnight Boys? Where are y'all on? Where are y'all on Punch? My man, Punch.

From the little con movie? No. Punch from the little monkey. I'm like, where my man? I'm like, you can punch the one that you used him as a bat. Hold on. Punch the little. Yeah, the little monkey with the stuffed animal. That you know about punch. Oh, you're talking about punch, the actual. I'm not fucking with him. You're off punch?

You're off punch? I am, I love animals. So I am. That's like buck up kid. I'm pro punch, but punch plucky for some reason. Parents leave. Get over. All right.

He loses his mother. He out here in the wilderness. They don't want to, they don't want to touch him with a 10-foot pole. He had to learn how to walk by yourself. Guess what? Survive by himself. That's what? I'm wrong.

You think punch is milking it? He's doing it for the light. He started waving at the, I apologize. Is that my reason? I felt my reason. The only reason why I had, I was like not like connecting the punch is because Rachel was so into it. Oh.

Oh. I'm the opposite. Wait, so when Rachel loves something, that's your. That's my. I know that something's wrong with it if she likes it too much. If Rachel likes something wrong with it, it's got to be something wrong with it. Yeah, it's true. What?

Like, isn't there's something like nefarious or something wrong with it? There's something happening. Okay. What has been the best animal of your life? outside of Bozeman. Like, not an animal that you've owned or like... P-22. Oh, yeah, P-22.

He was on P-22. He was P-22. That was a sad moment. That was a huge moment for fan. The Mountain Lion King of Los Angeles. Oh, yeah. One of the biggest stars in the entire city. Rest in peace to P-22.

You want to know who was my op? I never fucked with Harambe. Ah. I was wrong with Harambe. I got to be real, bro. I was the biggest Haram. Harambe almost radicalized me. Almost

Harambe was an eyes open moment. Harambe almost radicalized me. This is my thing. Fuck, I don't want to. This is, this, Harambe, like I went really deep into my thoughts about Harambe.

Harambe to me was a signal of societal dysfunction. Yes. You take the fucking animal. You put the animal in the enclosure. You put the fucking animal in the enclosure. You know where the fucking animal should be living its best life somewhere, doing its thing, living by the laws of nature.

You take the animal, you put the animal into your society, and then you don't look after your fucking kid. And your fucking kid, you, you, you make it the responsibility of the fucking animal. When you have captured the animal, you have taken the animal out of its natural habitat and what it does, you turn your back on your kid. Now, the animal has to die for your fucking joy because you're not your terrible parent. You know what we should have done?

We should have let, we should have seen what the kid was up to. Let the kid fight it the fuck out. Because, because, or, no, not that. Not that. The parent should have had to jump over and go get the kid. Put it on the line. Put it on the line.

Put it on the line. Put it on the line. Because I hated it. Because Harambe never asked. Are you a matter about? Harambe never asked to be there. These animals never asked to be there. They didn't ask to be there.

They're there for your entertainment, your joy, your study. And then you don't do what you're supposed to do. And the animal has to die. Harambe is 100% a victim. I was disgusted. I was going into TMZ kicking shit over. Getting mad. Like, ruining coffee time.

Like very upset because people are like, what are you supposed to do? that was kill the gorilla. I'm like, you motherfuckers just want to dominate everything and then blame it when shit don't go right because you're not looking

after your fucking kid. Well, now, all right. That was natural selection. Like, what? Right, right. Bro, I, don't get to start on Arambe, now I will have to say, piss me the fuck off, bro.

This is inspired an episode. If we do an animal draft, should we do... Viral animals? No, real animal draft. They don't have to be viral. They don't be viral. Let's do...

Animal draft and animals on TV are eligible. So fucking lassie, fucking silver. Wait, no, no, so we should have an animal draft. We'll have viral. We'll have viral animal. Then we'll have, what, movie TV animals? Movie TV, TV, animal, animal species. Ooh, animal species.

Like notorious animal genius. Fake animals. He's going, is going up there. Do we do animals that have killed famous people? No, that's too much. Whoa, whoa. All right, so for my last TV pitch. This bubble is like bubbles.

First round. You taking Shambu number one over all. Hey, God. Shamu was, honestly, free willy one of my favorite movies of all time. Once again, what of my favorite movies about that?

Once again, you take the fucking orca. You put the orca in the fucking thing. The orca's fucking... Killers and Ours. The movie. The Orca. The documentary on it.

Blackfish. Oh, my God. Kill a winner. Oh, my God. You take the or. You take the orca. The orca, which is a majestic, intelligent, beautiful animal, an apex predator that serves a direct purpose in nature.

You make the orca do flips for his entire fucking life. The orca gets mad, fucking kill somebody, and it's the orca's fault. What's wrong with these people? Let the fucking animal go. Killer whales, operative word killer. You want to see an orca, get your ass on a boat, go out to the middle of the fucking ocean,

And look at the fucking orcas. There's a guy that loves us. His name is, he's not in San Diego. His name is like Dolphin Dom or something. Look it up. He's like he does whale watching. He's a fucking great guy. Wait, okay.

Why haven't the Midnight Boys gone whale watching? He's offered a bunch of time. What's the guy's name? He's like, like his name is, uh, what? I don't go well watching. Hold on, hold on. I got it because he's an awesome guy. Oh no, that's Don Joshua, the coach of the Miami Dolphins.

No. Okay, no, no, his name is Dominic Biagi, Dolphin Drone Dom. So this guy right here, he's a big Midnight Boys fan. He's a founder of Gone Well Watching, book Well Watching in San Diego. If you look at him, he's got all of this. He's invited us a bunch of times.

I mean, I want to say this, San Diego Comic-Con. I'm going to Well-watching. Hey, well-watching. But look, look at what he- No, I've seen those. Those are sick. But look at what he did. does. Look at what he's got going on. Look at his fucking amazing life, right? Because he takes you to where the fucking whale is. You put the fucking whale in that fucking ridiculous show. And then you get mad when the whale goes. You know what? It's a jail break. You got to die. It's a fucking hell break. It's a hell break. It's really funny, too, because they really did some great PR for Killer Wells. They did. Because they be in the ocean terrorizing people. And it's what they do. I'm not saying that they shouldn't do it, but that's what Killer Wells do. They be out there. They be flipping seals up for fun.

Yeah. They be. boat's dog. They're menaces out there. Yeah. But if you just go to the SeaWorld, you see the commercials, you're like, oh, man, look at these guys, man. Look, look at this man. Shout out to this man. This man living a great life. Oh, dude, he's up.

Look at him and his girl. They look like they're having such fun. He got blue whales, humpback whales. They got all kinds of different shit that they do. Look at the father. Look at this. That's crazy. This is where you look at this. This is where you should have to go to see the well. That's amazing. You can see the well at fucking Sea World and you, Let's move on, bro. Like, I'm serious.

So from my last pitch. Take us home, Jomey. Speed racer. Yes. We didn't show that movie enough love way back one with the Josh. No, man. Jomey, I love you. It's cool.

Y'all wasn't outside. It's fine. I was watching the original fucking cartoon. What are you talking about? Right. Jomey, this is beautiful. And while we can't bring the same like, like, splendor into a TV show, I think that's a little crazy. But we can do, it's 20-20.

man, you know what I'm saying? We can bring some of that excitement, some of that vision. Did we get the Wachowski's back? Get the Wachowski's back. All right. Fuck, yes. That was a good movie. It was an amazing movie.

Speed racer, TV show, 10 episodes. Oh, I do a TV show. I want to do a movie. I love this. I fucking love this. I want like a racer X and speed like on the opposite sides of the law dichotomy going on.

Genius. I think the Wachowski's need to be involved in this project. I think they were perfect. Producers, showrunners. I mean, if they want to get in and direct, I wouldn't stop. I would definitely let them produce and direct for sure. Yeah.

Do you bring the little kid in the monkey back? Yes. Yeah, you do. You do. Unfortunately, you do. I will say, we've been talking a lot about a primates. Oh, that beach bombed. Yeah, it did.

It did. I didn't, I didn't realize that, like, I don't know why. Brits. No, it came out the week of Iron Man. Yeah. Ooh. It came out the week of Iron Man. Speed racer came out the same weekend as Iron Man.

Always? Yeah. God. It was May 9th, 28. It was like, it's, it's, it's. You couldn't do it. Not the Wachowski sisters really were like ahead of day time. No,

that's locked in. Yeah, we should absolutely bring it back. All right. Before, before we get out of fear, any other crazy, crazy pitches,

because right now I'll run down really, really quick. Everything, this is so sad. Like, the franchises they're going to have is Star Trek Mission Impossible, Transformers, Top Gun, Godfather,

TMNT, SpongeBob, Paul Patrol, All DC, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, friends, Big Bang Theory, Looney Tunes, Scooby-Doo, Matrix, Dune, Godzilla. Live action, Palm Patrol.

Live action, Paul Patrol is pretty great. Copaganda. My one crazy pitch, it was like to offload debt, because this deal was $110 billion around. Jesus. Probably more. I wanted to offload some debt. I just wanted to sell the Harry Potter rights.

To who? Anybody. You know who going by that? Get a handful of a billion off that, no way. You're a fucking fire. Why? Do you do you do a production? Come on, right.

There's no way. There's no way we can't sell it. We'll put somebody else in charge of that, bitch. What are you going to do? You're going to get to get to minxia in the entirety of taking it around my life? I would fucking, no, no. You would be the media? You'd be like, yeah, we just sell the Harry Potter rights.

Somebody like, hey. You're fucking done. Get out. Okay, great. You've got to make something. It's like, get out. Hey, get this fucking guy. Hey, hey.

Dude, and you had to be like, hey, hey, could I talk. Can you stay real quick? No, we're not. It's all burning down anyway. It don't matter. Bro, we could put. I'll, like, I try something weird. I put like Spike Lee in charge that shit or something.

Spike Lee? Before I sell it? Like before, like, before I sell it. We're not selling it. I'm not selling it. I'm not selling it. What are you talking about? Diminishing returns like nearly every time when you comes to the movie.

It's fine. Video games. Theme park, all kinds of different shit. This is crazy line. Like, like, that shitty, that shitty game they, they release did numbers. Numbers. It wasn't even good. People buy merch They're going to Universal Studios

This is crazy I'm not selling it We would make I would make a I would like make an anti J.K. Rowling fucking movie That she's still profits off? Whatever.

Look, I'm not selling it. Fuck it. I'm not selling it. If there's one, if there's one IP in this merger that if you could make it all black from top to bottom,

director. Oh, easily Harry Potter. I don't know Harry Potter. That's interesting to think about it. It's either Harry Potter. Oh, oh, before we leave, my Harry Potter movie, The Wand. Oh, God.

It's a Harry Potter spinoff movie where... Stop. I already know where you do. It's a Harry Potter spin-off movie where some kind of way to wand ends up in like East St. Louis or something like that. And some, like, young black kid picks up the fucking wand. And now all of the fucking magic comes to that. And think about Chronicle. Think about how the powers in Chronicle change the kids.

You have that dynamic in a ball. black area. Small movie. Is it like found footage? But the magic comes there and then you see this kid using the magic, blah, blah, all of that stuff, the wand.

And then like maybe, I don't know, I don't know how you connected to the Harry Potter world. Were there any niggas in that? Not really. Not really. Kelsey Schacklebolt or whatever. Right.

Some kind of way, somebody, maybe somebody from the magical area of England or whatever is tracking down the wand, right? They're tracking it down. They're coming to find it. But like skepta, burn a boy, like whoever. We got the one.

What is that? Kingsley Shacklebolt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got one. That was the character. Nah, that nigga, not. That he can't be in the movie. So why can't he be in the movie?

I don't like him. Shacklebolt? But what I'm saying, something like that. Bring the magic. Bring the magic to Baton Rouge. Bring the magic to Baton Rouge. Yeah, but you know that you got to work with JK on all of this. That's fine.

Whatever. That's part of the deal. Listen, we're not selling it. Okay. Because if we sell it, then what happens is we can't make smaller movies because now we've sold it and we don't have something that can be profitable and now it strains us. We got to keep it. We got to keep it. It's unfortunate.

The wand. That's the name of the movie. The wand. I thought you were going somewhere different. Yeah, that's what I was here. That's even better. A magical. Because we could do that over at Hustler.

We could do. I'm imagining like a falling star. Crashlands. You can do a point out of exclusive. You guys brought this up. I wasn't even thinking about that. It's you. So what we can do.

It's your conditioning around us that makes us think like you. This is what happened to Harambe. That like take responsibility. No, no, no. No. We have to survive. I am here. And you guys are the ones that are being, I am being myself.

So what I'm saying is, if you tell me right now that there's a movie. You're trapped in here with me. Like a movie about a magical sex toy that is an ancient sex story. No, no, no, it's not just a penis. It's just the, it's just a dune. No, that's not. You do a wand. You do an actual wand, like an actual magical sex toy that is existed for eons and eons.

I can get, Jackie St. James. Like, that's a whole home girl. Does it look ancient? Does it have like a little, like. The whole deal. I could get that off the ground. We could do that one like next week probably. I could write that.

Jackie might shoot that. Like, it's, hey, we can get that one off the ground. Now, that one we could do. Right, right, right. I wasn't even thinking about that. I was thinking about an actual wand. Does this also get our Batman drill wrap thing off the ground, too? That's another one we could do.

Oh, yeah. Man and drill wrap. We could do, we could legitimately do a $15 million movie about Batman. This is the movie, real quick. Drill rappers in Gotham. This is real quick. Bruce Wayne is, like, gets, Bruce Wayne gets caught up in like a gang fight. He gets shot.

Right. And he is in the hood somewhere, being nursed back to health while by people who recognize him and one of the kids realizes that Bruce Wayne is Batman. And he's keeping his secret while other people in this little neighborhood realize that that Bruce Wayne is hurt and he's rich. And some people start to think that he is actually Batman. And so Bruce Wayne is getting better.

He's with the kids. He's fighting. Batman is doing all to us. And then Bruce Wayne realizes that what he's not doing, is actually fucking cleaning up the streets. He's got to connect to the youth. He's connected to the youth and he could be doing more. You could do that.

You could do that. My last question. Timothy Chalameh, Bruce Wayne. If we were Pew Fuhran, Productions, somebody came up to us and was just like, hey,

we're giving you $50 million to make a movie. But it has to be a biopic about King Vaughn. Would you do it? Yeah. Yeah. What? Really?

King Vaugh's story is worth me and told all seriousness. Really? King Vaughn's story is worth being told. Is he the hero or the villain of the story? He's the king Vaughn of the story. The King Vaughnard of the story. Yeah, he's the king von of the story.

He is what most of those young gentlemen are, which is perfectly fine human specimens who are the products and the victims of generations of dysfunction and societal blight. And the story is to me about how somebody with that much, talent and that much aura ends up being in a situation like that and the tragic way that he met his end kind of from the same thing I think that would be great we wouldn't need no 50 million dollars either how much you need 10 10 15 yeah 10 15 like cast king Vaughan do the whole thing I mean the problem is you know you make the movie then you can never go back to Chicago again but it is but yeah but like if it was king Vaughn if it was duck if it was any of those guys

if it was pop smoke if it was any pop pop pop is a little different because what happened to him was on some really different tragedy but if it's any of those guys like any of those dudes all of those stories are compelling to me really fascinating and just kind of say more about us than it does even about those young guys I'll piss me off with that, Haran. I haven't thought about that in years. Walking through that goddamn office, everybody's going, like, you got to kill the gorilla. And I'm like, hey, you know what? Was a kid white? Yeah, he was. He's like, nigga, of course.

Like, it's like, we got to kill the gorilla. I guess you do. We got to kill the zoo. You were at the zoo, you'd be like, hey, the kid got figured it out. No, if I was, if I was at the zoo, I would, just the whole fucking thing just pisses me off. Joe, we gotta go to Jerry duty.

I'm popping off ourselves. Everything is my fault. And we didn't say that. Nobody said that. You did that. You did that. You guys got me going on the lawn. This is projecting.

You guys got me going on the Harambe. That's a wrap. This week on the Ring of Verse Feed. Program reminders, treat animals. It's our responsibility to treat the animals nice. Yes. The animals are living creatures. Shout out punch.

I changed my mind now. Programming reminders, this Friday button match returns with a look at Marathon and Pokemon Popatopia. Pocopia? What is the fucking game? I don't know. I feel like I'll ruin the podcast. Also on Friday, House of Our Returns with Chris Bonolyn,

winter, and takes a look back at Interstellar, the Interstellar star in Timothy Shalemay. Also next week, the Midnight Boys give you their Oscar episodes with a very special recast. We're coming back with the recast. The Oscars are happening. Yeah. It's an interesting race.

Oh, yes. Sinner's picking up, Steve. Center sweeps. Baby. I want to hear my, my, my, uh, my thought here. Lock me in. Uh, I can't say it. Okay.

Save it. Save it. Why do you so Hollywood. Just say. I think the event, I think the, the, the incident at the Bafters is going to help centers. Um, I think the incident at the Bafters, uh, was it at, what, sag award?

What was the award where like everybody gave, um, Doe and Jordan like a standing ovation I think it was I'm saying this I think the incident at the Baptist was so

well I understand the complexities of it and I get it I think the internet at the Baptist was so it was like a it was almost like a mascot

for how people feel and how it is to see those guys up there on the stage after accomplishing what they've accomplished looking as great as well

what they looked and just feeling the way that they feel is almost like sinners itself for a lot of people. And I just have to be honest, there are a lot of people out there who have, in good faith, really appreciated sinners. And in good faith, also criticized sinners, which is not a perfect movie, right? So there are people who have been involved in this and it hasn't been racialized and they just talk about the film. And I want to hold space for that.

But there are also people who did exactly to sinners what happened on that stage. They saw a bunch of beautiful black people creating and they went niggers. And that's what the fuck happened. And I think that we, that as much as we know that there are plenty of people, plenty of people,

the majority of people that criticize the movie for what it was, that there are also people who just don't want to see black people achieve art that is based in themselves on that level. And when they saw the movie, when they saw everything,

they went niggers. So when I think, When I think when Michael B. Jordan and Dale Roy were up there and they were just in that place, that artistic place, and that happened, I just think that a lot of people went, you know what, there's a message and a power behind this movie that has to be recognized. I think the film is deserving of it. All the films at the top are deserving of it. So I think, honestly, a lot of people are probably looking at it a little bit different. Whatever. Okay.

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