The Ringer-Verse - ‘Avatar: Fire and Ash’ Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

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Jomi, the explaining and dinner on. You've got questions. He's got questions. He's got to answer. Oh, man, Van. He of the receding, resurgent, hair, line, coat, baby Chuck, 24-carried closers. Together, we are known as the Midnight Boys. A-hoo!

The Midnight Boys, we just robbed a local 7-Eleven. I was not to say. All black bits. Come on, I'm sad. Nobody has some black Air Force ones. We look like fucking A-Sap box. Steve didn't have you changed into the black, didn't you? It really, I was fucking the vibe up with a red shirt for the rest of it.

No, you have to take that shit off. I was the one guy in Star Trek. He worked out today. He worked out. I don't know with it. If we rode to 7-Eleven, who's like, who are the two people, like, robbing at 7-11? Who's the guy washing the door? And who's driving?

I'm the driver. Steve's driving. I'm driving. I would say, honestly, Steve should be holding the gun because he's going to get the least amount of time. That's true. But Steve, so we have to go to jail in this. we must go to prison. Well, we can get away.

If I'm the driver, we ain't going to jail. Yes, we are. Because if you're the driver, when we come out, you're going to be gone. Yeah. Okay. I'm not going to be going to do. No, no, no.

We're committed to a wrong. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We were in there robbing the 7-Eleven. Wait, if we're robbing with guns, there's no guys. No, no, I'm right. I'm right. Come on. Come on.

If there, if we got guns on us, there's no jail for us. We're getting shot. I was one of us. Like you guys, one of us might, one of us might make it. But I tell you what, when we get out money, money's like we're going to have like $13. When we get out money, Steve's going to be driving away tears streaming down his eyes. I had to leave him. No, man.

That's what happens in real life. You talk about drive. The movie where Ryan Gosland doesn't say a word is the perfect hero, that shit don't exist. I'm looking at my watch waiting for my time to clock in. No, wait, I remember a drive. Isn't there in a moment where, like, Chris, Stena Hendricks, like, walks up into the place. Yeah, so shit.

No, that was, oh, no, she walks out there. No, she gets shot. No, Oscar Isis gets shot. Yeah. This shit pop. Like, we walking out, drive is, I don't give a, drive crazy. Drive's a good movie, but the trailers made it seem like it was going to be fast to the furious.

Yeah, no, you get in there. It's kind of just Biden. Ryan Goss, like, don't talk. So I'm going to be honest with y'all. Be real. When people say that about drive, it makes me think that you are dumb. That's what it is, though. Because if you went into Drive thinking that Drive was going to be fantastic for and then

Drive disappointed you, I judge you. I didn't say it disappointed me. Perfect movie. I didn't say it was bad. I had a great time, but I'm saying the trailers made like, too, do, do, do. No, I'm like, oh, still, we better get a race a movie. When he's driving, it is crazy, though. It's great.

He is a crazy. That opening, like, Chase, where he's, like, hiding under the bridge, waiting for the helicopters to go by. Go on his Staples down. It doesn't clean. Now that I live in L.A., there are movies. Like, I was watching Nightcrawler show. I'm like, yo, this not the city.

There's too much traffic. Yeah. You can't zoom out of a thing. There's no traffic and drive. Drive, well, there are parts of drive where you ever watch these movies and then see like where they're shot? Yeah. Yeah.

You can tell, right? So there are parts of drives that are very authentic to LA. And then there are parts to where I kind of don't know where they at. Because it seems as if the movie exists in like a number. another reality almost. Reality where people don't really have a vocabulary. Because you talk about the fact that he doesn't talk and drive, really nobody talks.

Like, there's not a lot of talking. There's not a lot of dialogue. Well, some people, you know what? What's his name? Brian Cranston? He talks and then Albert Brooks. Crazyest death, one of the craziest movie deaths I've ever seen. Albert Brooks and Drive?

When he cuts Ryan Cranston. Oh, right. Oh, yeah. There'll be no pain. Just chill. Die. I'm grisly. That fucked me up.

I will say also, speaking of living in L.A., there's a shot. There's a moment when I was watching Nightcrawler where it's like a white family's house get shot up at Echo Park. Yeah. It's a weird movie. Wait, around that time, I guess Echo Park wasn't justified yet? Probably, I mean, yeah, I guess it was. Well, that was like 15 years.

This was pre-Sofi. No, no, this wasn't. That wasn't, like, Nightcrawler was like 2013, 2015. Oh, so that's 10 years ago. 12 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. So that shit was already judgment.

Yeah. We used to tease that Harvey hated. When Nightcrawler came out, Nightcrawler came out. It was 2016. When Nightcrawler came out, boy, Harvey hated, we used to get, because we used to say,

that's you. Yeah. Yeah. Be in the office. Oh, my goodness. We'd be in the office and be like, that's you. Hey, I do want to say something real quick, speaking to that,

I do want to shout out all of my friends and colleagues at TMZ. I want to shout them out. It's TMZ's 20th anniversary, like, this year. Wow. And what happened with the TMZ 20th anniversary party was a fucking whole soap opera. There ended up being, like, two parties, one for the people that, like, the employees, and then one that TMZ threw. And so there was this whole big deal, this whole gigantic thing about who was going to go to which parties and everybody was talking.

because nobody leaves. TMZ is like Game of Thrones. And what I mean by that is like, nobody just leaves Game of Thrones, right? You can't lead a gang, you know what I'm saying? Nah, nobody leaves Game of Thrones. Blood and blood out. Blood and blood out.

Like, blood and blood out. Like, most of the people that leave TMZ, they left under terrible circumstances. There are some people that got the, hey, I'm leaving now. There's no graduation from TNZ? Sometimes there is, but there are, but a lot of people, it's terrible when you leave there.

right and so there were people that didn't know if they should go back to the party there were people that didn't feel comfortable and there are people who didn't go like I didn't go to either party did you get invited I got invited to one of them okay did you get which one the employees one right yeah yeah other one no that's not happened yeah I don't know like the other one that's not but I will tell you this I'm just to be honest with you thinking about TMZ saying this on the Midnight Boys podcast thinking about TMZ It was a very formative time in my life. It was an incredibly meaningful time in my life with me and all of my coworkers.

And I appreciate everyone at TMZ for the opportunity, and that includes Harvey and Charles. Even though the shit that happened at the end was unfair and they scapegoated to the black man, all of that shit, I still have to always give it up for the people who got my career started. That's just the way that it goes. I will say, though, Hello Ringiverse fans

I regret to inform you that due to the initiation of Deep Shaddle Protocol this bit had to be edited out of the pod I know I'm just as disappointed as you are thanks as always for listening and the Midnight Boys Poo Poo Poo Poo! We'll get back to you shortly Y'all y'all going crazy now

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their 2025 game of the year draft on Sunday House of Ars covering interview with the vampire and Avatar Fire and Ash. It's disrespectful. On New Year's Eve, I got Bonapig with the House of Ar about that episode.

Why? What episode? They're covering interview with the vampire and Avatar Fire and Ash. Those are two things that deserve their own episodes. Interviews a vampire, perfect television show. Wait, why are we doing an interview with a vampire? We should do it. Streets are calling for us to check out.

I actually haven't watched the second season, but the first season was fucking. First, second season is. Wait, is the new season where Lestappi a rock star now? Yeah. And then he got his own show where he's a rock star. Wow. The vampire Lestat. That's coming out soon in 26.

Am I tripping or is the vampire Laestat the third season of interview with a vampire? So no, they're like, they're not like discontinuing interview with vampire, but it's more so a spin-off show. for LaStat. So Louis is not in it. Well, Louis wouldn't be in it. No. Oh, okay. Interesting.

Well, I guess they'll do that. I am unaware of this. You know, it was a big thing at Comic-Con that came out. Like, there's a spin-off for LaSat. So he's, so, but when, so then hold on for a second. The vampire-lostat, does that come after the third season of interview with a vampire or before? I don't know the official word on season three of interview with a vampire. Because the vampire-la-statel-stat,

also takes place way in the future. Yes. Like, well, not years and years in the future. He becomes a rock star, I think, sometime after his situation with Louis and all of that, stuff like that. Interesting. I'll figure this out. We'll figure this out.

We'll figure this out. On New Year's Eve, the Midnight Boys return by yearly tradition, midnight mulligans. I don't know if there's going to be as much variation from me this year. It's a hot year. I'm fucking a whole game up because, honestly, the town got me fucked up. You know what I'm saying? They thought that they

could buy big Chuck. I haven't really, I've cooled down. So this is when Chuck catches in the refund for all of his bought opinions. The town thought they could buy you, but now you back, you back,

you, I'm going to be honest. We already know with everything going on with Warner, who's going to buy who and who a lot of the checks ain't clearing like they used to.

I don't know. So you get the honest Colt baby back. Let's, let's, before we get to Avatar Fire and Ash, let's get a midnight endorsement. segment, right? Okay, okay. Who does the Midnight Boys want to buy

Warner Brothers? The two big players are Skydance, Larry Ellison and basically Paramount and all that stuff. All right. The other big player is Netflix. So I got to go with MAGA or the company

that's the strong of the actual business. Well, okay, so these are your choices now. Well, actually, there's also the Saudis are looking to buy Warner Brothers. That's the third. Oh, great. Awesome. All right, all right, well. Oil money. You know, the checks will definitely clear.

Jesus Christ. Oil money, that's the least of it concerns me. You got to, I can't say that. Shout out to Riala. Jesus. Come on, man. Shit, y'all better shout them all, y'all never know. Wake up, check your Bank of America.

Oh, it's a couple million there. Hey, look, can I say something about the Saudi Arabian thing? This is my time. Oh, no. Wait. No, you cannot say something about the Saudi Arabia thing. It's ever good. And you're like, hey, you can I say something else,

Saudi Arabia. Real quick, well, I got you here. No, but what I'm saying is I understand it, and I agree. What? What? Specifically. But I agree that it is probably a mistake

to turn over so much entertainment equity to a regime like MBS that doesn't prioritize human rights. Right, right. And I've murdered journalists and all of that stuff like that. What I'm saying, and I've already said is, we already have done it. We didn't do it.

We didn't watch the boxing, and the boxing is in Riyadh. They've already, it's like, we didn't have done it. The sport, they've sports watched it all the way. The fuck, we didn't already done it. The question is, like, what can we not deal with? That's the thing. It was like, boxing was cool. All of this was cool.

Stand-up comedy, everybody was like, that's a bridge too far. There's like hypocrisy for where we draw the line. I'm not saying if there's a hypocrisy. I'm asking what's the line. And I think that it's okay to talk about this and acknowledge that, that some of it has already kind of happened. Well, don't you think, like, societally, we kind of, people think,

I'm not saying this is the reality, but because boxing is such an aggressive sport, it does not, we do not hold boxers to the same standard that we do. We think comedians are just, like, speaking truth to power, telling us what we don't want, all that shit.

That's a fantastic point. You know what I mean? Boxing has already looked at as kind of a dirty game. You're not looking for inspirational quotes from the people to get hit in the head. The guys are getting... Come on, man.

What? That was race. What do you mean? When did I say race about that? That was race. How was that race? That's one charge of race against you. What did I do?

You just said, we're not looking for inspirational quotes from people that's getting hit in the head. That's race. Muhammad I believe is up. Muhammad Ali, that's race. That's bad. Come on Steve. You've never been in...

I'm not expecting that for Steve. If Connor McGregor, if I ask Connor McGregor, if I ask Connerererererer what here his opinions are on the middle of you... I love how you read. I love how you... Not a boxer, by the way. But not. Definitely not when he hit with Floyd.

He boxed. He does. I mean, he's a boxing. He's a martial arts. But you went to him straight up to try to white wash what you just said. So there aren't white boxers? There are some. There are some.

There are problematic white boxers. There are some. What you just did was race. And I need you to admit it. Or else you're not in a George Floyd. As a white man, why can't you apologize? I can definitely apologize. You know what?

We'll let the audience decide. Okay. Was that race? Was that race? Was that race? Was that race? New segment. Was it race?

New segment. Was that race? But, okay. That's going to be this whole. Was it race? Yeah. Yeah, it was. The verdict all hitting, yes.

But we'll come back. Okay, so then we're voting then. We have to get back to it. So we're voting. We got Saudi Arabia. We covered it all today. Sky dance. And Netflix.

Last is Netflix. Okay. Over Saudi Arabia. Hey, Netflix is first with me. Y'all shout out to Netflix. As a matter of fact, if you want to watch two-distance strangers. If I'm going to be real, I don't care who it is, but I do think, like, I know Skydance with the whole maggot shit,

but I'm like, if we being real, you've said this for years, all these execs be thinking the same shit. Like, it's like, come on, they just better at hiding. At least Skydance be like, hey, y'all know what it is. We gave Barry Weissah. You know a chat. Come on. That's the thing.

Like, the thing, I had to go watch Wake Up Dead Man in theaters, and I had to go to, like, Alamo. And it's like, you know, my steak is too juicy, my lobster, too butter, yada, yada, yada. But, like, that's a movie that should be enjoying theaters for, like, weeks, and everybody should be able to enjoy it. Netflix buys Warner Brothers, brother. We're going to see Batman Part 2 on Netflix in two weeks after. They can't be able to do that, though.

My hope is that Netflix were to buy Warner Brothers, and then that would have Netflix do what I thought that they should have done a long time ago, was actually get deeply into being an exhibitor. like it should be the Netflix art light, arc light, right? Right. I think that that's already going to happen where I wouldn't be surprised

if after the success of K-pop demon hunters, they rushed that into theaters for like, what a week or two? They made a bunch of money. I think they're probably like, hey, we don't killed the rest of these studios. Let's take over to movie theaters. Like, it seems to me, and again,

I'm not like, this is not the town, but like it seems to me that Netflix is not at all interested in theaters. I think they're starting to get They buy the Egyptian They get these little like pockets of things Because they can qualify for Oscars This is what I would say I agree

And this would be great to have Matt on your right I agree Except for the fact that they're flirting with Buying Warner Brothers Yeah If they're flirting with buying Warren brothers There are certain things If Netflix thinks that we're going to watch

Superman Manna tomorrow At home At home they're tripping Either we're going to watch it after we had already seen In the movies Are we not looking at that bitch Right you know what I'm saying So I think that there are some things like Dune would be a part of this, right?

Yeah. And so if Netflix had Dune... Dune three straight to Netflix. It's not doing. I'm also wondering, like, do they see something like sinners? Where it's like sinners would never have become what it was on Netflix. And I do think they're smart enough to be like, actually, there's a bunch of the movies that we have that we could make a lot of money. And like, they're already at this point, like, what are they doing with fucking Greta Gerwig?

She had to fight to get the new Narnia. But she had to fight. But Del Toro had to fight for his thing to get in theaters. He had to fight tooth and nail to get his Frankenstein to be guaranteed a fiscal release. Yeah, but I just think if they buy Warner's, they're going to be like, hey, yo. All those directors, you get theaters, the cynic and me. Yeah, I don't trust. Maybe you guys are right.

So then start bench cut. So if start bench cut, which we do on ring or tailgate. Hey. So then I would start Netflix. Yes. The next one is tough. I'll please cut the Saudis

I can't because they go cancel me when I say this I think I would I think I might go Skydance I might

yeah oh you're starting Skydance no no I'm starting Netflix Skydance I might have to

put Skydance on the bench too bench yeah bench skydak and then I could cut the Saudis

start skydance and bench Netflix I do not here's the thing I don't fuck with the

politics but if you don't think these execs at all these other companies think the same exact way. I mean, yeah, we're going here. Go look at a donation. I just want to say something. Y'all starting, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all starting Skydance, right?

You start in Skydance. When Skydance hits up the latest show, written by Taylor Sheridan, David Duke and American, American Legacy, when that joint comes out, just watch that. And then you got to watch the prequel 1861. 18, the way it should have gone. The Song of the South remake, yes. Anyway, I don't know how we got there. On today's show, The Midnight Boys are giving it

instant reactions to Avatar Fire and Ash. Should be an interesting show. We saw this movie altogether on the Warner Brothers, excuse me, on the Disney lot. Not only altogether, Sean was there. Now was there. Amanda Dob was there. Also, you got to stop, Vidd.

We got into a whole extended conversation. Oh, my God. With Amanda. About her children's... Oh, no. You don't remember... I was... I was not privy to this,

I was not privy to this, man. So here's the thing is that Amanda, you y'all don't understand. People don't understand Dobb, man. Southern royalty. Dob is up for the talk. Like, Dob, she, that's why I like her.

She brings herself to the talk. She's like having a conversation. She tells me the name. I'm like, huh, interesting name. And then we had a conversation. Dob is there for the talk. He told this about your friend. It was like, hey, yo, Van, let me tell you some.

My family owned slaves. What? When he's there, right? I didn't post credits. We already got that credit. Okay. So I had a friend one time. Okay.

He used to work with me. And he was like, Van, I want to talk to you about something. And I was like, okay. Let's talk about it. Right. And he was like, we have. this stuff in our family and we keep this we have like documents and stuff in our family we keep documents have like historical heirlooms and all of this stuff so they have like the deed to the

general store that they own from like 1850 or whatever yeah they have like all kinds and their father keeps it's just all different types of stuff the immigration papers from these people and all different type of shit that they have he's like one thing that when i was looking through this that's in there is some uh slave documents ownership documents He makes for slaves. And he goes, I confront my father over this. And my father goes, it's a part of the family history. It's a part.

All of this is a part of the family history. This is all a part of your family and all that stuff. And he goes, I don't know how to feel about this. I don't know how to feel. Was he in tears? Like, what was the, like, when he was talking to me about it, he was incredibly distressed. Okay. Like super duper distressed.

This was news to him that his family owns slaves? Well, he's not from Mississippi. Okay. He's from wherever he's from and his people are from there. Right. And when his dad was showing him all of this stuff, he was telling me that his father had kept it. What does it mean that my dad kept it? And he was like, I remember he was looking at me.

I was like, the fuck you want me to say. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I thought you would all be in the fuck with me. I'm going to say, I forgive you. I think you might need to get on IG live and really address this situation. Get an apology out there. There was no IG live at this time, or so I would have done that.

I just went, I mean, look, your dad, your dad gave you his explanation. I mean, it is kind of is what it is. You didn't ask your friend to be like, hey, if we're going to be friends, reparations. I'm never buying drinks in your company again. I'm never, you always get in the check. I need $20 right now. And this is what people don't understand about me. His penance was jokes.

It was jokes. It was nonstop me bringing it up. Which I don't think he would have done. Had he known who I really was. I never would tell you. Badman couldn't have beaten that out of me. No, stop bringing it up. Do we think Steve's family on sleep?

Definitely. Have I not said what? I don't know this. I don't know this. But I know that my family owned land in Baton Rouge. Oh, well, they slave owners. I don't have documents. I don't have proof.

What would be funny. What would be funny is if, no, I'm nice. That wouldn't be funny. If you went all the way back. And like Steve, yeah. Are you going to bring it like a. Finding Your Roots episode for me where, like, you got to bring the... We should ask me to a finding your roots episode.

Well, shit, I already did my shit. You did? Yeah, I found a lot of shit. I told you guys this. Yeah. I felt like the Old Miss thing and all that. We have to get to Avatar. We have to talk about it.

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The Action podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right. Let's get into it, Chuck. Midnight Manifest, Avatar, Fire, and Ash. Let's see how much time you spend on this. Jesus Christ. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for Avatar Fire and Ash,

directed by James Cameron, screenplay by Cameron, Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver, starring Sam Worthington, Zoe Salania, Sigourney Weaver, Stephen Lang, and Kate Winslet. A year after the events of Avatar Way of Water, Spider has settled back into his life as an extended part of the Sully clan, but everyone isn't happy. Natiri is still grieving the death of her eldest son, while her husband Jake ignores his grief as he prepares for war with the humans and courage. Jake and Niteri's son, Lowak, is struggling to find his way in the world, especially after his whale brother Paiacan is kicked out of his paw for trying to defend his species from the humans. Meanwhile, Jake and Nateri's daughter, Kiri, is flexing her Messiah powers and connections with the Pandoran god, AWA.

These powers help save a dying spider and give him a magic blonde dreadlock thing. The Sully's world comes crashing down after Quartz teams up with Vang and the ash people. The ash people are a clan of Navi who revoked the ways of AWA after their forest was burned to the ground. Jake, Nateri and the other tribes of Navi team up once becomes clear that the humans and ash people are hell-bent on killing the space whales and taking over Pandora. And that has been your very abbreviated midnight manifest for a three-and-a-half-hour movies. All right. Now I have to start this. I'm going to ask you what you think, Van,

but I need us all to promise one thing. No cap in. Because Van, I can already sense it from you, and I've been sensing it for days. What you mean? I need you to give your honest opinion. Because I sat next to you in this theater. I sat next to you in...

For three and a half hours. It was 3.17. Start three and a half. It's 317. All right. We already line. Let me tell you. So this is how I felt. fucking banger.

All right, Nick, all right. So, let's stop the cap. Fucking banger. Now, let me tell you what's inside of this. Okay. You tell you what's inside of this.

Avatar, fucking banger. All right, but let me tell you what's inside of this. First of all, I want people to remember how you watch an avatar movie. I'm going to give people

a little tutorial, a little primer on how you watch an avatar movie. All of the best movies have tutorials. You sit down, and then you have to remember that you are on a world with blue people talking whales and a lot of weird shit.

And space babies. Space babies. That takes probably about 20 minutes. Legitimately. It probably takes about 20 minutes. Another reason why these movies are so long, it takes about 20 minutes for you to remember that the world that you're inside of is absurd.

Come on, it's absurd. Yeah, it's absurd. Now, when you're watching Star Wars, it doesn't take that. Do you know why? It's also another absurd world. but you're looking at human people. Yeah.

So because you're looking at human people, you sit back down, oh, human face, I connect. With Avatar, you're looking at aliens, and so their emotion has to grab you, and that takes a second. It takes a father talking to a son

or a daughter talking to a mother, a daughter who is a reincarnated version of somebody who lived in the first movie, who also has special powers, get to her from a space god. Okay, all of that stuff. But once you fall into the movie, once you do, the emotions of the movie take over, the visuals of the movie. I agree with you, but there was a moment where the fire chief in, her name's Ray, whatever, she goes, and she takes the gun.

He goes, hey, you turn back to Sean and a man and you go, they can't do that. They can't do that. That's race. This is what I, that's race. That's race. That's right. That is right. This is what I say about Avatar in continuing.

These movies aren't perfect. And when I say not, the only thing perfect about the movie is the technology. When I tell you that the ability to have these characters who are wearing this digital makeup, as Big Jim puts it, the ability to have them actually perform real emotion and you feel it from a character that's like

wearing this gigantic digital suit is really incredible. It's just incredible. It's incredible to watch to feel for the Navi, to feel for people that are not humanoid. And it makes you wonder

how anybody ever fucks up CGI ever. There's not one poor CGI shot in this movie, not one. And it makes you wonder why no one else puts that level of the movie takes a long time to produce.

All right, back to what I was saying before. The movie is made, and these movies have always been somewhat problematic. They've always been somewhat problematic. The movie is about essentially going nativists. It's about how a white human savior has to come into this place and show these people how to fight. The movie repeats a lot of tropes that have existed in film

and cinema for a long time. These are the tropes that we've always lived with. With this movie, there's the Ash people. These people represent a sort of brutal, Comanche, Apache, Native American, sort of archetype and really stereotype about the people who are bloodthirsty, war hungry,

don't have any dimensions to them, whatever. Their leader, a woman is like, oh my God, gun, I want to fuck quench now. But even that, though, even that, though, give me the gun. Like, coming over, seeing what people are using and being obsessed with the gun. So trading guns and working with the sort of occupying force

to get guns or to get alcohol or all of that stuff like that, the colonizing force, all of that is a surface level, really retelling of history that to me is dehumanizing to native people. It is the archetype of the bloodthirsty Apache that is in the movie, the bloodthirsty Comanche that's in the movie,

killing everybody while these brave, intrepid, settling people, I have to figure out how to live with them. It completely, you know, wipes away legacies or stories like the Pequot Massacre and all of these things that went on that show just how Native people and all of these lands were pushed to fight against the people that were trying to sell their land. Having said that, having said that, all of that's true. there is an element to this that I would love to have a native person on the podcast

to talk about. Yeah, an indigenous person, yeah. Like an indigenous person on the podcast to talk about. Because there is, there's certainly parts in the indigenous world where they wore it. Certainly parts in the indigenous world where they fought. Every group of people, everywhere, did some fighting.

So what I would like to know is how responsible is it to depict the ash people as wanting to fight a different tribe of their own kind, this being the Navi or whatever the name of the tribe is or whatever, how responsible it is to depict

this sort of tribal warfare with a group of people that are definitely based on Native America. They're screaming Native American War. They're dancing like it. Dancing around the fire. The entire deal. To your point, this is a movie

that is almost honoring the tropes of old Western movies. It is, it is trying to reintroduce them. Yes, yeah. In ways. This felt like a Western. Right.

And so I would want to know, and I think it's a responsible show to do if we have some time, to bring on, after people have seen the movie, to bring on, because I think there's going to be some blowback,

and just talk about how response, is that fair? Is it a fair depiction? Is it a fair thing to do to show Native warring tribes that are seemingly based off of indigenous tribes here in North America. So my question to that is I have a lot of time for the Avatar films, the first two,

even way of water. I'm like, this is beautiful. And I think part of growing up, black person of color is in most of these movies. Black person of color? I was saying if you grow up black or a person of color. I was about to say, I would love to meet the black people of color. Wait, if you think about any. The extra black lady?

Who is that? If you think of any sci-fi movie, though... Jesus Christ. Come on, man. If you think of any sci-fi movie, whether it's Star Wars, whether it's dude, there is a moment where you have to be like, ah, that's a little. But because of the technology, because of the fantasy elements of it, like, you kind of brush past and you let this world kind of wash over you.

And I think the first two Avatar movies did that well. I think this one was a little bit, like, you got too much dip on your chip, white boy. And what I mean by that is this movie is almost suffers from being like uncreative in a lot of elements where I'm like if you are going to build an entire world that is so well thought out to your point

so beautiful from the ecosystem to the trees to like where the Navi are living and then you get to the ash people and you're just like, you know, we are going to maybe honor is the wrong word, but we are going to use so many touchpoints that are based in very racist depictions of indigenous people. I'm like, the Ash people could have been anything.

Why do they sound like racist fucking Hollywood movies of the 1950? You know what I'm saying? I'm just like... I'll tell you something else about the Ash people. The movie's three hours and 17 minutes long, right? Yes. When you watch the film, the Ash people are the way that they are, as it's stated in the film, because they are cut off from Erwa,

who is... Aywa, who is the god. And their forests had burned down and they prayed to Aywa, Awa, Awa didn't help. And so they are now taking out, they now live, like, right next to, I guess, the volcano and all of that stuff.

And they're raiders. They raid and they take, nothing grows where they are, right? They're essentially, who are the people, like the Ironborn from... We don't sow. We don't grow. Oh, right, right.

Like we take from you, right? We just take from you. Humanizing them would have been showing that, right? And it would have been important to show that because then you'd have had some understanding of the profound tragedy that created their way of life. Yeah. When you don't show it and you cast them as brutal savages,

you make this group of people that are acting like the Native Americans that were portrayed in American Westerns all the way up to a certain point, you're making them easy to kill. Yes. And you're playing on something that is, in my opinion, uh, intercepted into the American psyche,

which is those native people that existed on this land before anybody else got there, that they were easy to kill, that they should have been killed. And in order for us to sit here and do what we're doing, that they had to have been killed. They, they were lesser and they aren't using this land, right? We need to teach them manifest, all this. And my thing is, to me, Way of Water, not a perfect movie.

I think Wave Water did it better, where that movie is about, like, Sully and Jake and Tiri and their family coming to this new clan, meeting these people, and, like, that family realizing, like, oh, we're connected to this land. We're connected. You got Pia Khan. You got the Space Whales. You have them connecting to, like, AWAN and everything. And to your point, it just felt like the Ash people.

were just, they kind of felt like video game characters. Well, remember now, the ash people didn't want to grab the guns so that they can run night raids on the humans. That's not what they wanted to do. Yes. They didn't want to grab the guns so that they can go into the human city where there's like a full fucking oil refinery or like a refinery. They're rating the other navvies.

They're raiding the other navvies. So it's not like they were, and once again, I'm not going to get into the whole history of indigenous people because some of that they got their guns. some of the, but what I'm saying is because of that, because they wanted to specifically kill and dominate their own and use the invading human alien force to do that, they are less than alive.

They are the worst thing you could possibly be. They are skying up with the aliens. Think about what you would think if the aliens in vain and then Jomey goes with the aliens, which should probably happen. Jomey goes with the aliens. Jomey goes with the aliens. Why would I know with the aliens?

Jome going with the aliens. You're going with the aliens. It's fine. Like, Jomi goes with the AIL. So that part of the movie, we told ourselves that we would dedicate something to that. That part of the movie is certainly off-putting. Certainly off-putting. Let me tell you, I said. Give us a thunder. Give us the thunder.

I must show me how to put the, but let me tell you something. The worst part, like, not to cut you off, but you mentioned, like, them trying to humanize the ash people. There is a scene where UNA Chappelin, uh, plays the main ash lady. Wrong? Yeah. And she's trying to, she's like, she's trying to talk to court. She's like, yeah, AW, like, they burn the whole thing.

Aywa didn't come. That's why we do this. But it's, I think, the worst scene in the movie because he's, like, tripping. And it's just not, it's not. Oh, wait. When she gives him the cocaine. Yeah. It's just not like, they try to do it.

But it's not. Can I say that's actually, that is actually my most enjoyable part of that entire movie. I did pop an edible before. And when that shit started having, I'm like, Nah, what the fuck is going on? I was like, y'all, about watching the same fucking movies. But I'll just tell you, I'll tell y'all, you know, all of this stuff, these critiques of Avatar, like remake of Fern Gully, sort of white savior, identity stuff, it's always been there. You know what centers the movie?

What centers the movie, and you guys, man, everybody out there making films and everybody's trying to, you know, tell stories. in a really dynamic and creative way. Everybody's got such great ideas. I see stuff all the time. I watch this whole video. I told you guys about how Taylor Sheridan, who I made fun of earlier, but is a fantastic writer,

how he subverted the regular protagonist's role in Sicario, how he told Sicario how he tricked the audience, made us think that Emily Blunt was the protagonist of Sicario. The whole time it was Benicio Del Toro. And we only learned that in the last, what, 30 minutes of the movie, 30, 40 minutes of the movie. Brilliant way to do it. But Avatar

makes no bones about the fact that this is a movie about a family. This is a family vacation. It's a movie about a family. It's a movie about trauma that happens in a family, a family that came together

through these extraordinary circumstances and doesn't quite know how to exist in the world that it's in. They are Navi, but then the kids are hybrids. The son is a hero, but yet he's also

got his brother killed. Got his brother killed. It's the, it's a, every single character has real, actual, relatable, human trauma and wants.

And that gets you to the end of the movie. Wait, but can I ask you this? Because there are a couple moments in this movie, I don't disagree with you. I think the thing that James Cameron

is actually very good at is that, he comes from an old school mentality of filmmaking where he's just like, even if they're aliens, you need to believe these characters and believe these journeys. Now,

it gets goofy. When Lelok almost blows his brains out, I was like, oh, I was like, what the fuck? I was like, what the fuck is happening right now? But it's a,

I'm locked in. Like, I don't want him to do that. That's a meaningful scene. Yeah. That's like, I was surprised, I was like, oh.

It's a meaningful scene. Like, the Sullys are looking at him. You're talking about the son that time. I'm talking about two different scenes. So there are two different scenes in the movie I'm talking about. When he was about to kill himself, I thought for a sec, I was freaking out. I thought he was going to pull.

I was like, yo, I was freaking out. But his purpose in the film was very clear. Yes. And it was to regain the love and trust of his family after this thing had happened with his brother. And seeing his brother like in the hereafter at the beginning where his brother, where his brother, doesn't seem at all sad makes it worse. It makes it worse

that his brother is somewhere and they're still playing. They still have the same type of relationship and because my daddy used to always say he'd be like, well, I'm gone. Like, my pain is over. He'd be like, when I'm going, he said, don't worry about it.

Like, when I'm gone, don't even worry about me. Like, my pain is over. It's like, it will be your pain that you will have to deal with. That pain will be real. My pain will be between me and Jesus. And like, when you see that, scene is like, shit, he's bringing all of this back into the real world with him.

His brother is actually free. In a way, energetically, his brother is telling me, you don't have to be sad. But he's like, you know, how did I die and all that? But you don't have to be sad. But he still is. And then by the time you get to the scene where Spider who, I mean, they, Spider became Austin Reeves in this movie. They gave him all the playtime.

He would. Spider's, this could be called Spider-in-the-Blue people. I'm going to be honest, when they were just like, hey, yo, look at this shit. And they picked up his nasty blonde dreads. And he had a little. It's crazy. It's Sandy. It's crazy.

It's crazy. And then when it was like Sigourney Weaver, the voice of Sir Gorney Weaver being in a 14-year-old body, macing on spider was insane. I mean, look, there are, when I see it again, I'll map it. There are ridiculous, ridiculous things that happen in the movie. There's insane stuff that goes around this movie. Like, I mean, you guys are talking about the emotion, emotional arcs of the characters, and I think that that's, like, a poignant point. But I think the thing that, like, legitimately makes this movie special for me is the spectacle.

We don't, people do not make movies like this anymore at all. Right. You can talk about it water, because this is the same movie. It's the same goddamn movie. We get one of the, okay, so we get one of these every three years. You get a new one of these every three years. And I don't know what's me with the technology. I mean, we can talk about like the space, maybe.

And we could talk about the whale trials and all that stuff. It's just like nuts. But the scene where she shoots the fire arrow at the boy and he kamikazes into the balloon. I forgot the kamikaze. And then Jake sees it, turns, runs down the balloon, jumps, slides down the sail. And then uses the knife to stop. That's far. Jake the man.

Nobody does that. Yeah, Jake the money does that. When he got the Ferrari, little flying jewelry out yet, he like, fuck it, I'm a beat a Messiah. He had to go get big bro. You always get a scene like that, and I gotta give it up, you know,

to James Carbred. I was like, now you're trying to litigate the squirrel agenda in this movie. Always. Jake like, oh, you don't love our kids because they don't gotta say fingers. I was like, what? He's definitely taking big swings,

but legitimately people don't. do that. People don't do that. We don't go to the movies and see people do stuff like that. And so regardless, like, obviously there's a, there's like, I got a whole bunch of notes, but I'm watching it. I'm like, this does, I do not get to see this unless it's Jim Cameron making the blue people movie. And that's what makes it special. What, we, I talk about this all the time. With Jim and where Jim is, Jim made Terminator 2. Come on, man. Jim made Titanic. Come on, man. Right. You just don't, Jim is past the point of you saying, hey Jim maybe we don't do that in the movie was what yeah you're not telling me you're not telling me

you're dealing with directors like that right right when you are dealing with guys that have that much power you always get some shit in their movies at least for me to where i go do we really need that you know it's like in once upon a time in hollywood we got to fight bruce lee you just wanted to do that shit nigga like you know what i'm saying it's like he's like you can tarrantino's writing and he goes there's a scene, it's a scene where I'm gonna have Cliff fucking fight Bruce Lee

kick Bruce Lee's ass somebody goes how does that relate to the plot he's like, hey bitch we fight Bruce Lee and this motherfucker

he wouldn't call him him bitch he'd call him Edward. Hey, hey, nigger we're like we're fighting Bruce Lee so

and so there's a lot of fighting Bruce Lee in this movie there's a lot of tell Margo Robbie hey hey feet up on the dash yeah

keep them dirty there's a lot of in this film. Like, Jim wants to do this. He loves animals. He loves the ocean. And he's going to be very heavy-handed about the fact that the Navi

understand how to live in symbiosis with nature. Yeah, because the space whales had a whole fucking council. God damn it. The space wells have culture. The space wells have music. I'm so sad. The Navi has the last time you're going to hear my song. I was like, yeah, but the little homie is like, yo, dad, you got a, you got a lock

with PyCon, bro, he's telling truth. And then he sold on his son. He just sat down for his son. I was pissed for PyCon. PiCon was like, hey, yo, we need to get the blickies. Fuck the humus. And other whales are like, we pass. We don't fight.

If y'all don't get the fuck out of here? Yo, big ass, they got earrings and shit. Like, how you got, you know what I'm saying? They don't stop growing, you know? But they do have a matriarchal society where I was like, that's dope. That's dope. That's dope.

That's dope. But, like, once again, like, at the end of the day, if you can fall into it, I know this one's going to turn some people off. When I say Bangor, by the time it was over, you were clapping. You were clapping when the bad guy got

dragged down by the whale. The fucking anti-whal nigga? The anti-well, the one-arm whale killer? Worst villain. He's one of the worst villains. I hate him. He might be the worst villain in 2025 to me. Because I thought he died in the second one. I didn't rewatch the second one. It was great when he got his arm ripped off in

the way of water. That was great. But also, we need to do we need to actually let Steve get his shit off. Oh, yeah, because Steve. Steve. My bad, Steve. Come up. No, it's fine.

No, and frankly, I don't want to stay here because, frankly, it doesn't make for good potting, first of all. And it's, I don't really want to shit off, Steve. No, I don't want to shit on stuff that people genuinely like because a lot of people are going to like this movie. But overall, I hated this experience wholesale. I hated nearly everything about it. And I know that I'm the hypocrite. I'm the person that is on a podcast about loving all of the great and Craven Marvel and, money-grabbing cinematic experiences

that get all of our hearts singing. And if you love these movies, great. I love that for you guys. But I hated every single part of this. And it's because all of those things to me suck, and I still know why. The technology and the work ethic and the ethos behind making these movies,

I genuinely respect. I love. I would watch a three-hour documentary about making all of these movies because to know that this is just on a soundstage and people are wearing basically the clothes we got on now and they turn us into magical blue people, that's amazing.

It should be a launch pad for genuine storytelling. And I hate the story that is being told here. I am connected to nothing. What do you feel like the story that's being told is? Well, it's the same thing from Way of Water. That I don't disagree with. And it's the fact, like, the most, and it's not only the fact that it's a simple,

boil down white savior, we will fight the oppressors and save the planet and rise up against nature. it is a watered down, dulled and like basically quantified to the easiest possible margins so that all of broad appeal can enjoy it. I know why the dialogue sucks because it's easy to translate into every single market that you want to sell this movie to. I know why it's beautiful because you can't say that you didn't get your money's worth.

I know why it's three and a half hours long because you can't say that regardless of ticket prices, you didn't get your money's worth. Every time that I see an Avatar movie, at least, no, I'm going to say this. Way of Water and Fire and Ash broke my brain with the illusion of this cinematic experience for Blockbuster filmmaking because it feels so craven for money. It just broke me. You just know. I know this is a lot.

Hold on the top. I get what you. It's just, I'll be honest with you. Just let's just have the conversation. Steve, intelligence opinion. This is needlessly cynical. I understand. It probably is.

I probably came into this with a hating heart, and it probably came back. It's an agenda. It's not an agenda. It's not. You know why it's never going to work? Hey, I'm going to hate this movie.

And guess what you hated it? Because I hated it. You hated it. You hated it. I hated it. But you were never going to like it, though. Probably not. But I can't, I can't lie to myself.

It's not going to make me like it anymore. In addition is getting resurrected right now. I think the thing, I think the math that's breaking my brain. in this regards, I need you to stop. Charles. Get ISO. I think the thing that, like, we see, like, especially like us, what we cover, the fandom stuff, especially over these last couple years, we have seen some real garbage.

Some dogs. Yeah. We have seen some real, like, meled in, completely utterly, like, just completely flaccid, corporatized garbage. And the moment a guy comes in, we, again, we all have our notes. The moment somebody comes with a vision and puts it on screen, you got to give him credit for that. I can give him credit for that for the first movie, not for the third. All right, bro.

I can genuinely respect the first Avatar movie because he was not, he, James is. Okay, wait, hold on. Wait, hold on. Name a movie like Way of Water or Fire and Ash that not directed by James Cameron that does the same things. That does anything that this movie, like, does for real. I'll walk off the podcast right now. The Andy Circus Planet of the Apes movies. No, you're not being for real.

Yeah, come on. You're not. That same technology that is used in Avatar, was used in those movies. That, to me, is fucking storytelling. I do not. Caesar, not jumping off no blues. I don't care. It doesn't matter.

Cinematic spectacle does not mean anything to me if I don't care about the characters in the story that's on screen. And nothing that those stories have given me past way of water onwards is something that I can connect with. I know I am in the vast minority. Don't keep saying I just get your shit off. But it's not. not going to matter. Because at the end of the day, I still like the Marvel stuff. I still like all of the things that people would

tell me into my face. Why are you flogging yourself? Just fucking. You rather watch Craven than watch a firena? No, no, no, no, no. So, okay. Let's keep it. You guys, you guys had it. Now, I'll interject. So, there's a couple of things here. Sure.

I understand what you're saying. I get it. There are certain films that are films. There are some films. There are amusement park rides, right? Right. The reality of this situation counters your narrative. Sure. James Cameron is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time. I agree.

He's sacrificed his basically his career to make, this is, he invents new technology to do this. He is Disney's Taylor Sheridan to make these for the rest of his career. It's more than a money grab. It is. It is. But it is a money grab. No, no, no.

It's way more than a money grab. But it is. He doesn't have to do this. There are other things that are money grabs, right? There are other things, like, for example, like taking your youth and then repackaging it and selling it back to you because you're going to sell some toys off of it and all that stuff, all money grabs. This, even though they make a lot of money, you can't call them money grabs because that's

counterintuitive to what's actually happening with the business behind the business. I actually, way of water was way more of a race. It's a gigantic. Because here's the thing, before it came out, people were acting like, why the fuck is he making a second? Like, it's been so many fucking years. Every time he drops these movies,

he's not sure if people are going to go see them in the way they used to. And he's proven wrong every time. And it makes a billion dollars every time, as I know this will. But the fact that the people that even like these movies, even a little bit, will just memory hole these last movies because the only good way to watch them

is in a theater that you pay $30 plus four to get 3D Dolby Atmos. You don't find. can watch this at home. You're not spinning this on Disney Plus. You're not going to do this. This is the shit you put on Best Buy to show what your refresh rate is on your TV. You go put on the roller coaster on your TV at home and go watch the roller coaster by

home. She's like, all, I'm going to go watch Accelerator. Let me put it on YouTube. But that's why it doesn't matter. The experience is on again. Can I be honest? You're not going to remember it because you don't care to watch it again. As someone who did not like Fire Nash, I do have to say that I think James Cameron makes this

shit look easy. He is. I'm like, no, not even from a technological standpoint, but from a story standpoint, where it's like, how many people can make you watch this movie and make it feel grounded? Zero. Most people would make this exact movie,

and it would be a bunch of sci-fi bullshit, and you'd be like, I'd feel nothing. And this is, I felt something. And this is not me wanting to shit on the enterprise that he's doing. I love the fact that he's passionate about this. It shows all the time on screen. I'm never going to debate that, but it, I feel nothing. Well, you thought nothing when a home girl died

and the Tiri has to deliver the fucking bait. That shit got to me. No. So, okay, so here's the deal. What about you feel or you don't feel? That's fine. We're talking about two different things. Sure.

One, if the movie didn't deliver its narrative, that's a movie-making issue. Yeah. All right? That happens. Yeah. There have been films that I've gone to before. I'm like, I don't get it.

Like, I don't see what the big deals. Then there have been movies where I'm in there and I'm like, I don't fucking know why I'm so connected to this particular story, right? Happens all the time. The other side of it, which is a criticism of the movie that comes from the purview of the enterprise of the movie, is to me super interesting because when I said you're being neelisly cynical, that you're not criticizing the flower now.

You're criticizing the root. And it's, and it's to me, the fact that I feel nothing watching this movie, it's the emperor's close. I just see through it and I'm like, well, then what actually is, what am I looking at? So, this is what I would say then. Like, remember how I said you have to fall into the film? Yeah. For whatever reason you didn't fall into the film, there could be a story reason. But if you didn't fall into the film because your view of the film is wrapped up in the economic enterprise of the film and the film making, that's actually not being fair to the actual. And I can understand that. I can agree with that. I, I think that I didn't, I wanted to like this.

I promise you. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. It's okay that he doesn't like the movie. Can we just have a conversation? There's no, there's no thing that I sit down to watch. But it's not being, brother, we, we've gotten this podcast. I remember, like, we would, like, mention, we would joke about, like, Avatar being

317 and you'd be like, garbage. Like, you was coming in already on a tip, right? You didn't want to like the movie. Dude, I promise you. I know you did. If I liked it, if you think I'm lying? Do you think I'm just, like, driving? Is there a part of this?

Is there a part of this? Because I feel like a lot of movie fans do this to Cameron and it's unfair. Where they think these movies are below him. Because he gave us Terminator because he gave us Tynic. Like, they're just like, why would he waste his time with this bullshit? So, just so people know, I don't know if this is going to happen in every single theater. I imagine that it will. James Cameron is on a tip right now to where he wants you to know that this movie is not fucking animated.

Yeah. He says, not AI either. I love that. No AI. No bullshit. No, I, and this is something that we've only learned over time with the Avatar movies. Yeah. Like, over time, like, Joel David Moore is in this movie.

He's been in all the Avatar movies, a homeboy of mine, play basketball with him back in the day. I keep telling y'all, Joe can't. Y'all might look at Joe, the dude from Grandma's boy and Avatar. He's the white boy, right? The white boy. Joel has a motherling game with him. All right, Joe, you be playing with Joe, Joe, give you that little, ah, e. So Joe can play a little bit

And Joe's a good guy He's a really talented artist And him and I had a conversation That he would never remember At the gym one day about Avatar And he was like, no, no, we're acting in the movie We're acting Like we're acting

I'm like but yeah voice acting No, we're not voice acting We're not voice acting We're acting and then they cover us I remember going home thinking Huh They're acting And they're covering us

At the beginning of this film, there's a little mini doc that runs about how they made these movies. And you see human beings crying. You see characters emoting. And you see the little thing that's in their faiths that's capturing them. They're wearing all the mold cast stuff. All of that stuff. That amount of detail to craft, that denotes deeply that somebody cares about the partash. No, no, no, no.

Yeah, that's probably. You might mistake me. I'm never going to say. Hold on, wait a second, wait a second. I'm not mistaken you. Okay. I'm holding you intellectually accountable for what you just said. What you said a second ago was that you can look at the movie

and see that the movie is long enough to make sure people feel like they get their money is worth. And that how beautiful the movie looks, that the enterprise of the film itself is all driving past to this economic thing. That's true insofar as the movie's very expensive to make. But if there's one thing that I could tell. tell by watching this film, is that he fucking cared about what was on the screen. And beyond anything that had to do with money,

because if it was about just money, this bitch would not be three hours and 17 minutes long. It would be too right. If it was just about money, then some of the truly ridiculous things that happened in this film wouldn't have happened. James Cameron

is telling some type of, I got too high, I think I need to save the world. Deep family-based morality tale that he probably thinks is the most important story ever told. And that's my fault. I'm never going to say that... No, no, it's not your fucking fault, Steve. I find this opinion interesting.

No, no, no. It's my fault is that I didn't articulate that properly enough. To say that the people making this, Cameron, all of his writers, all of his effects crew, all those people, they clearly give a shit. They give the most sheds. And I love that level of craftsmanship and dedication to a movie like

this. It's when it doesn't mean anything to me when I watch it on the screen and when I feel nothing, that's where I'm like, well, what am I doing here? That's the thing that, like, really gets me bummed out where all of that care and all of that time and all of that love that pours into something that I'm going to assume everybody behind and in front of that camera care about doesn't hit at all. And then when I know when I'm like, all right, I've got three and a half hours to see

here and I'm just, like, feeling bullshit. I got it. I know what this is. What? Steve looks at the movie. And he's like, you know what Earth could use? Pandora. That's true.

Steve looks at the movie and he goes, why are these people putting up a fight? Why don't they just let us take over their planet? I'm Giovanni Rubisi, really. We know how to do it better. That's why you can't connect to him. I thought it was opposite. I thought he was thinking about Spider and be like, why is it that white boy?

It could be me. Oh, I'm here to say. That is actually true. Steve would be Spider. You would be Spider. Steve would be the one. Yeah, Spider. Spiter.

I hate it. Wait, Spider kept doing the Dougie in the background. I'm like, hey. I was like, fuck. Spider had one redeeming scene in this entire movie. Was it when he threw away the burger? Nah, that's bullshit. Like, there's not a lot of burgers.

When he, I thought that the colonel's bullshit was working on Spider. Yeah. And Spider was like, yo, can I, can I, can I, can I, can I, can I, can I, keep the dog tag. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I'm like, God damn. But then he used the dog tag to his Skater down with us.

I do have a spider question, though, because Jake was going to kill him. Jake was definitely going to kill him. Jake was going to kill him. And Spider, Spider knew that. He pleaded for his life effectively. And then at the end of the movie, he's like, yeah, man, Jake's my dog.

I guess, like, Quartz is your dad and he's awesome an op for real. But, like, if somebody tried to kill me, I feel like I would also have some questions. Hey, you want to know I just Jake? Because this is what white boys do. He's like, there's only room enough on Pandora for one white boy who thinks he's a Navi. And I'm like, hey, yo, let you know.

He's kind of shit. But also Spider was trying to have to shit with his daughter. He had to shit in his lungs. Right. Yeah. So he's going to come after him. Everybody's going to come after Spider. Yeah.

Yeah, but he was the advanced version of Jake. Like, Jake was like. He's Jake 2.0. Yeah. And he didn't like that shit. I wonder if Jake had the opportunity, no, because Jake needed to run. Jake wanted to get over his disability. So Jake would have never settled for that.

Oh, yeah. He wanted to be in a navvy body to have his legs again. Yeah. I say this. When I see this, even though if James Cameron was here, you know what I would ask him about? The Bible. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Abraham was told by God to sacrifice his son Isaac. Mm-hmm. Abraham was told by God to sacrifice. his son Isaac and Abraham was about to do it. Yeah, he really was. Boy, God in the Old Testament was just messing around.

Like, hey, kill your son for me. So wait, so the space baby was telling Jay-A-O. So basically, when I saw that scene, I was like, this is a test of faith about whether or not Jake could essentially sacrifice his son to please. Wait, no, it was in a theory, though.

It was an, I thought the God was testing to Tiri because they keep going back to her. She knows what's about to happen. And it's just like, it's both of them because she has to run and basically be like, don't. It was her idea, but ultimately. Jake had to come. By the way, I'm not necessarily saying that there was one specific entity or being that was doing this. But what I am saying is that this was a spiritual and emotional test of faith. Right.

But, yeah. I mean, the Bible question is actually very accurate. also, Kiki is Jesus. Literally, like, born of, has no father, born of the goddess of the planet Pandora, is literally the embodiment is, is there like, you know, if God. Superpowers, yeah. Brings back to life. You know what I'm saying?

And she feels like she's being forsaken by the mother or the father of God. Like, but then what, trust me is up, I'm like, so it's going to take the white boy spider to help you get connected more to. I mean, it kind of falls apart near the end. you got forced ghost through Gorni Weaver All I mean that's a whole other thing But I think like

I think That part is like I don't think it's like White boy I guess you can say that But it's just literally like Connection and belief Right I believe in you

We're gonna get we're gonna do this together Right She like he grabs her hand And they go to the mother And then uh Tuck grabs her hand Connects to the great mother Connects her

Because remember she's having like all these seizures Like she can't do this by She like Even in the beginning of the movie the leader of the fire people when she's about to kill a worship call. She's just like, yo, do you believe in your God now?

She kind of has a moment of life. That's also from the Matrix. It's like, look, I'm about to kill. If what you say about the prophecy is true, something's going to stop me. Something's going to stop me. Something's going to come. He's talking all that shit, and all of a sudden,

he's either with Tanger Dozer. Yeah, he comes out of the gun. He spits. Wait, can I say the funniest, really quick, the funniest part of the movie that happened around the seed is like, like I think they might have saved Spider at this point. They all dance or whatever. These motherfuckers come start beating the kids.

Oh my God. That was funny. That was hilarious. It's just like you're making too much noise in the forest where they're being chased. Every time they start to, man, the Sully family is being persecuted. They're going through hell.

Every time they have one moment, you know it's about to get crazy when they go, I love you, Dad, I love you. All of a sudden, they get fucked over. So there is an interesting thing about Avatar, Fire and Ash, Avatar

Away of Water, all that stuff. I want to point out a couple of characters here. The movie is continuously, to me, litigating the utility of humanity. Yeah. Because the worst parts of humanity are essentially the villain in this movie, right?

are unhinged relationship with capitalism. Our need to consume. Our inability to come to terms with dominion, which is the fact that because of our ability to reason, we have control over all of this stuff. Like, there are more tigers in captivity in Texas than there are tigers in a wild. When you hear stuff like that,

you think, Jesus Christ, do we have any idea how beautiful the gift of Earth is to us. And will we get to a point where we just have completely ruined everything that is beautiful, ethereal and eternal for the things, well, not eternal, but for the things that are in front of us right now, like five cents lower on gas, right?

In Avatar, the movie continuously litigates humanity because there's always a human character that thinks bigger than what the human beings do. be it Jake in the first movie, be it the marine biologist in this movie, be it spider, be it Sigourney Weaver's characters. There's always a representation of the fact that we do understand why this is so special. We do understand why these people are so special.

We do get why there needs to be something larger than us that can bind us all and connect us that makes us step out of just the need to harvest the literal life force of these beings. that are on this planet. And Spider, in this movie, whether it's well done or not, is kind of all of those things in one. Spider's all of those things in one.

He is of the evilest part of human. It's like of the evilest part of that guy's body, right? He's also adopted by the Sully family. He can't ever be that. He can't ever be them. He can't ever be his father and his mother's son. He can't ever be any of this stuff. So he has to find an existence more than any other character in the movie that is in symbiosis with being human and being of this place that's like so much bigger and greater than everything.

This movie tried to get Spider to that point because that's essentially what they want for the audience. Didn't quite get there. But it is the original sin, though, of that because this is a white savior narrative, what I kept like circling back to, I'm like, okay, so Jake is writing the best. best fucking bird dragon thing. He's the best warrior. He's the one leading them into battle. I'm like, okay, that's a little uncomfortable, but whatever. And then like, but on top of that, Sigourney Weaver is Jesus.

And I'm like, okay, this is getting a little bit. This is like, all right, it took the Sigourney Weaver character to be the one that's most connected to God. And then when you add spider on top of it, where it's like the lesson of this movie is, like, actually, there is something to say about let's, accept our oppressors and the colonizer and what they bring because we can learn from them and then there can be some symbiosis. And I think that's just like a very dangerous thing to put in a

movie. And I don't know if they did it. Here's the thing. I don't think that they did it on purpose. I think because that is baked in to the tropes of like Western movies that it is like it's almost inescapable from the genre. Well, there's something else that I would be really interested to know from anyone who I talked to from the film. The humans that show up on Pandora are almost entirely white.

So the human beings that show up at least everybody in charge. Everyone in charge, right? I wonder if... So that makes me think two things. Number one, we know, shout to Las Alonzo who was in the first movie, right? So we know that a lot of the actors of color

in this movie portray the Navi. right they they're they're almost entirely of color zoe sal donna lazano all these people we know that they like yeah we know cliff curries we know that they portray the navi that is to your point right now that cuts both ways because if there was a ton of black characters who were assaulting this land with these people and taking over their resources yeah it would feel uncomfortable

yeah that would work I like to think even for spider I was just like, I would feel almost more uncomfortable if Spider wasn't white. If you think about it. Imagine he was black. So is a catch-22 now? And he had the Miles haircut, the Kilmonger cut. I think a lot of things like that would get a little weird for audiences.

But then it also puts the filmmakers. And guys, there's no way to look at this movie and not literate culture. The movie is about a cultural war. It's the way that it goes. So when you look at it, it puts, it puts, filmmakers and the story almost in a no-win situation because then all of those characters do have to

be white. Jake kind of has to be white. Spider has to be white Sigourney Weaver's character has to be... If Sigourney Weaver was black and she was the black mother Jesus figure of the thing, I would be like, I am. Yeah, but here's the thing, having three white saviors

in three films, it's tough. You know what I get it. All of this stuff about the film to me and there's no way to under-discuss a movie that's this long and throwing this much at you, all of it's secondary to the fact that this, a kid doesn't have the love of his father,

a mother is mourning her son, another kid doesn't know where he fits in, and all of these different groups of people are trying to learn how to trust each other while this marauding, alien, bloodthirsty force is at their doorstep. It's just simple. storytelling. But I have to

say, saying everything we've just said, there are moments in this movie where I'm like, it's too much. Fuck, yes. Like, hell yeah. Like, I'm like jumping out of my seat being like, this is entertaining film. I loved it.

So the mix of bangor. So the mix of too much and oh my gosh, what's cooking is the giant underwater space, baby. That hilarious. Was that too much or is that like, like, I thought it. I thought it. I'm in my chair

and I see that and I guess you like see like the side of a face and you like, nah, that's not a baby and then it turns around and you see the eye and I'm like, what the nah, this dude James is

I think James likes to do drugs I'll be honest no clearly I think not hard drugs I don't think he was the one that put the PCP in the I think James like the large baby turn around space baby

that's a trip that's a trip. James drip James has to dream. I will say, it was the end when I was like, it was too much

when I saw Space Ghosts of Gorni Weaver. I was so upset. Oh, that whole of. I was so upset. The most enjoyment that I got out of any level of acting from this is from Stephen Lang and Miles Quorich because I think he has the exact right energy for this entire franchise.

And I wish that everybody else was kind of like, he's something cut out of 80s action movies. I like Quartz. That are, that is perfect. for a setting like this and I wish that there was a bit more of it because every time he was on screen the tenor of him

makes all of this world makes sense because he is the like bloodthirsty commando. Well his character grew in a lot of ways has grown in a lot of ways in somebody that's so obsessed but at the same time is kind of almost reconnecting to something

a little bit more than him because he has a hypocrite by the way. No he is. He's a hypocrite by the way. He's a chock pen and what about it turns up? Yeah, he saw the not, the joy. He's just like, hey. I love him. Also, it was so funny.

Guys, it was so funny. This is a Steve cast. I could tell he hit that because he come back to the, he came back to the army base on. Full in a full fan with their shit. Come on in, my girlfriend's ready. Y'all ever see Mutiny on the Bounty? No, what was that?

How do fuck y'all ain't see the movies that you need to see? Tudely on the Bounty? Mutiny on the Bounty is with, is with, I have to have talked about this Anthony Hopkins, Mel Gibson, Mel just fucked up. Anthony Hopkins, Mel Gibson now he didn't just fuck up, but Mel just, Mel was one of my

favorite stars, man, I can't believe Mel did this. Oh, that tape came out and you was hurt. Nah, I was so fucked. No, 19, what year? Like 84 or something like that. There's like a couple of movies. Anyway, Mutiny at the Bounty is the story of the SS Bounty where there was a

mutiny on the bounty because they went to Easter Island or whatever, and Captain Bly and Fletcher Christian and all of that stuff. Fletcher Christian led the rest of the sailors that were on the bounty against Bly. But the reason why this happened is because when they got to Easter Island, it was women there. And when they got there, they all took up Polynesian wives.

And when you look at the movie, what did the guy start having on a body? Tattoos all over their body. And they're there for the breadfruit. Bly goes, hey, we got to go back to England. There's a picture of Mel Gibson at the end of this movie. actually kind of frying me. All right. Let me see.

All right. Okay. So they got all the shit on and they go, and they, and they ask them to go back and they go, hey, we ain't going back. No, no, not the tattoos. Come on. Like, no.

It's like, they go, we ain't going back. I don't know if you've seen the kind of work they got on this island. We're not, we're not leaving. We ain't, that type of ass, man. Oh, you have to believe what I'll be big done. We ain't, we ain't going back. If that's not true.

Like, our kids. Our kids. Oh, no. Save yourselves. Our kids going to play for BYU one day. Okay.

We bought to stop. We're going to stay here and make some Tuyasasopos, some Mariotas, some teals. Like,

we ain't going back to England. Juj-Soo-Soo-Soo-thew-year. Like, we're not going back. Oh, my God. And then Bly on a little pitty-ass boat and cast him away

and he thought he was going to die. He ended up making to a Caribbean island. He survives or whatever. He's in some kind of way. But like, that's what happened to our man. What our man?

Shanz shows up and he is fully covered in the tribal pain. I laughed at my shit. I'm like, my fuck wrong with you. What are you doing? Any Falko, who is like unintentionally funny throughout the entire movie because he's trying to like do regular shit and everybody's crazy except for her. He's a regular general person. She was like, are you fucking shit?

By the way, they look so stupid when they're in those exoskeletons that make them 12 feet taller. Their legs be dangle in love. Yeah. I love it. I'm like, you couldn't have made anything cold. They're like, you couldn't have made any. Cells were.

But last thing I'll say about the film is the battle scenes are fantastic, bro. I disagree. Brilliantly conceit. I'll say brilliantly conceit. The end of the third act for this movie, this is how I could tell they wrote these movies

and filmed them back to back. I'm like, yo, this is the same third act from way of water. That's my big note. It's the same thing. You guys, I'm with you. It's not only the same thing, but I think the movie did a thing. And we talked about this like literally right after the movie ended.

They're like, uh, Niterre and, uh, the main fire ash, uh, Una Chaplin, they got beefed, the whole movie. Yes. Right? They like, they got, so at the end I'm thinking, we're going to see them when they once. It's going to be, it's going to be like, uh, if they're going to do the same ending as the first one or as the second one, instead of Corch and Jake seeing, uh, 1 v1,

is going to be Niteri and Uta Chapplin going one v. Let's get it. And then they don't do that. and instead it's literally the same ending as Way of Water, except that Way of Water at least had the scene of Jake and Quartz going, Jake goes, let's do it then, where I'm like, oh, let's go, they're going to go crazy. It doesn't really happen like that.

It's kind of inert. And so it just feels like it's a worst version of the Way of Water. And so it's like, I like, that's like my one big notice. But there's like, there's a weird like kind of like almost anime version of this where like, okay, so it's Sully and Quorich. like till the end of time, they're going to be fighting each other until both of them are dead.

And in every single movie that's just going to be a final boss battle between the two of them, every single movie? Are we fighting with that? They're about to team up. They're about to do that. That's basically Goku Vegeta.

Like, Orish is probably going to be like, I got my Navi wife. I got Spider. And that's going to, if they do that shit, that's going to piss me off because I'm like, this man is a genocidal maniac.

He's killed. Yeah, no, he's got to go. I mean, guys, once again, they do this all time, right? It's like this is I want to do a whole Midnight Boys, I want to do episodes called Midnight Troops

to where we just talk about these tropes that we keep going back to. I'm all for redemption. But you know what I'm for redemption for? If you, to bring it back, if you didn't rob 3-7-Elevens. I'm against stopping recidivism. You know what? Let's get this brother a job

and let's help him through his trauma or whatever. Okay. But see if you kill your homie's mom and his dad if you have killed 81 people in a movie if you have killed all of that if you're Darth Vader and you've killed

hundreds of thousands of people the same people should go up to Luke and be like hey we want our reparations hey yeah your daddy went crazy on us your dad is a freak how's that sound we get 20% of that milk farm Skywalker I know or Obi-Wan your own tattooing the whole time

did you look out for the Tuscan rangers did you look for them? You know why? You just say that they deserve like, hey, right, you want to be a skywalking out? Hey, hey, Ray, you want to be a skywalking out? Break it off. Steve, are you saying that the Tuscan Raiders should get 40 acres of the meal? No, I said they should get 20% of that, of the revenue from the milk farm.

See, this is what Boba Fett was trying to give them personhood. But my thing is this. Bobafet was trying to give the Tuscan Raiders person back. Yeah, for sure. Y'all don't think so. Boba Fah, no. Why, so we wouldn't say that they did a good job. What?

Wait, wait, man. Man, man, man. Come on, bro. Boba Fett, the show was attempting to humanize the test of-in-old. This is how white people would do history, bro. This is what they be teaching. You try to get to her book of Boba-Fat was actually good takeoff. I'm not saying that.

What I'm saying is that the book of Boba-Fet, rather than have them be mindless drones that all they do is still kill. They have a culture. They have a culture. They have a right of passage. They say Beaufort's life. And then go help me take over Mosis, B'est. So I can be the big drug cartel leader. They tried to make the Tuscan Raiders into something a little bit more three-dimensional.

I'm not saying they worked all the time. I'm saying that's what they try to do. In this one, Corch, if I'm not for redemption. I'm not for redemption after you didn't kill all of these people and done all of this stuff. He will be redeemed. Well, he was because- But probably so. But they'll bring him back.

The character in this movie was one of the most interesting parts of the movie. It's, it was genuinely the most compelling. George? Yeah. Yeah. Every time he was on screen, something compelling was happening. When he walked and said at camp, drop him. He was talking cache.

Yeah, he did the dropping shot. I'm like, he's the most of the man. That was cold. That was great. Oh, you think it was drop him. Like, he out of here. Like, that was cold. He is one of the pure characters, too.

And him and Jake at the end, when this is when a movie really came together for me, when they're talking, it's like, two. We're the adversaries who don't know what they're supposed to do next. Then, of course, the movie bailed itself out by keeping him alive once again and having him and doing the whole he's dead, but we know he's not dead.

So what's the point of even doing that? Four at least. I will say, this is why I will say, I love these movies. It got to end. We got to wrap it up with this. It's not going to end. We can't do five.

We can't do four. We can do four. If he said four and five, we're getting four. He said four and five. Yeah. Five is a lot, bro. I'm gonna be well into my 50s on this. And that's another thing that just like chips at my cynicism where I'm just like,

I know I'm getting two more of these. Well, I mean, that's the deal with all of them. What I'm wondering now, because, you know, if this movie would have been a trilogy that wrapped up in a trilogy way, that would have made a lot of sense, but it didn't. No. It didn't wrap up in a trilogy way. I do want to see Lowoc, you know, get like Jack the little real. Like, I'll fuck with Lowoc.

He kind of like won me over in this movie. Lowell came back and got his shit together. That's your God, man. He fought for them whales, bro. Yeah. He went to the mat for the whales. He left his family because his brother who, like, I mean, you could go, but like, he lost his, like, actual brother. Then they sent his other brother all the way on the editor-word.

He said, no, bro, I already lost one. I'm not losing another one. And he went together. Pycon really, my nigga, though. Like, they did him so dirty. They did him so much. Pycon came back and got everybody on his side. Pygon got a future in the whale tribe.

But you got the serious thing with the whale people, man. Like, shout out tonight. You mean just the whales? I guess. But they articulate like people. They seem real to me anyway. When they were like, yo, we got to fight these humans. They're like, nah, man, it's not our fight, whatever.

They had to bring the homie who got got, who survived. Look what they did to me. Look at what they did. Or Tanak or whatever. And they were like, oh, actually. That's how I know the space whales are black because that's what happens in all the movies that they try to teach you about how like the gang wife ain't really for you. For you, they bring in the homie who's just like, look what they did to me.

Look what it did to me. Yeah, man. I just, like, we, one time, we, there was a smoking problem at our school, and they brought in one of the homies with the voice box. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like you a year thing. And when you see, shout out to everybody with the voice box. I'm about to make fun of that.

But when you see that, you go, yeah, done. How's that sound? Never doing that again. Did they do the thing around prom where it was like, they didn't want anybody to drink and drive? Oh, they would bring the car crash and put it on the front fucking lawn. before the guy would come in and talk. I was like that at our school.

They didn't give a fuck about us like that. Really? No, they didn't talk about like drinking and driving and stuff? Nah, not really. The whole school had to go to an auditorium. Because we're from different generations. You know what the big thing for us? There was something that was huge for us that got figured out by the time y'all are in school.

Try to guess what it is. A huge problem. Okay. No, nigger. They still did not. That really had honestly got figured out by the time y'all got to high school. Huh? Did you say Steve just went?

Eighth? Steve. It was the 80s. I was thinking 80s. That was a big thing. I was in high school and the motherfucking 90s. What you think?

Oh my God. Like, eight? Eights? No, it wasn't AIDS. Think about it. What year did you get to high school? I graduated in 08, so, oh, 4. What year did you get to high school?

I graduated 2014. Okay, what year did you get to high school? Wait, so if you were 08, I was probably like three years. Okay. So, team pregnancy. Oh. Well, that was just, that was just health class. No, and the team, but like the big thing with us in terms of what they would talk about anytime it was like team pregnancy, team pregnancy, team pregnancy, team pregnancy.

But as a little known thing that never gets discussed, they fucking figure team pregnancy out. So by the time we got, by the time y'all got around, it wasn't like all of this stuff talking about kids. having babies and all of that. They legitimately did enough with safe sex and condoms and really making y'all scared of sex that teen pregnancy, they figured team pregnancy out. You want to know how I know this is true because at this time MTV had a whole franchise.

They like teen mom. Teen mom, yeah, that helps though. Absolutely. Like, team mom, that helped. That helped. They're like, oh, you're trying to fuck. Guess what can happen? We got a whole documentary serious.

You know what you're not slotted to one of them DMs? You probably slid into all of them. All right. All right, midnight meter, y'all know what it is. One to 12, one being the worst, but 11 and 12 are reserve for game changers. So we're saving Steve for last. Great. Jomi, start us off.

I got to give it an 8. I think, do I give it a 9? You know what, actually? I am going to give it a 9 because I feel like it would be a 10, all things here. but like we talked about on top this one went a little bit too far in the in a little the racism

like it's a little yeah yeah but I think a nine is fair the movie again is spectacular I'm going nine as well gotta docket for some of the portrayals I'm glad we talked about them yeah but I'm fucking with it nine

I'm going back yo the one battle after another bros to go and be at your neck so they like oh so it's cool when big Jim do it but when it's our boy PTA? Fuck them. Fuck them.

Fuck the film, brus. I'm giving it. I'm giving this. You know, we'll give it a four. You know, we'll see with Midnight Mulligans. Midnight Mulligan's like two weeks.

Yeah, let me sit on it for like a half a week. So I will say this about Charles's four. I expected it. That's a strong four because Charles did not have a good time. I genuinely thought that was going to be a little higher, like a little higher. If I told y'all what I gave this, Like, I walked out of that shit. Half star.

I was like, damn, I gave wicked a half. I gave his half. I'm going nine, Steve. That's going to be a three for me. Three. Okay. Yeah. That's better than I thought it would be. I mean, you said, I feel like if you'd have gone six, he'd have gone four.

Yeah, no, no, no. It was, it's more of the fact that, like, there's, the three comes with the genuine respect of the craft that came into making it. Like, and I can't, like, say anything worse. Only type of movies of those that exist, by the way. What? Those movies are the only type of those movies that This nobody else can do what James Cameron is doing.

Big Jim does it again. I'm going to tell you out, I'm going to tell y'all straight up right now. Never count Big Jim out. Wait till the box office comes in. Oh, I'm not. I'm thoroughly confident. If the box office go crazy, Mr. Lathen might fuck within it living. Oh, right.

I have to do a nasty accent. I would it. I'll do it again. I don't care. All right, you guys, what a fun podcast. Movie gave us a lot to talk about. I can't say that. I mean, it was three hours and 17 minutes.

It was a fantastic situation here. All right. On Monday, Buttmash gives you their 20-25 games of the year. Games of the year, 2025. On Sunday, House of ours covering the interview with Vampire and Avatar Fire and Ash on New Year's Eve. The Midnight Boys return with their yearly tradition, midnight mullions. So we're off next week.

Christmas. We're taking Christmas off. Yeah, we're taking Christmas to be all of families. Yeah. Yeah, we got families too. Merry Christmas to all the Midnight Boys. Merry Christmas. Oh, yeah.

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