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Damn. You made it. We made it. That's the highest number. That was the highest number we can go. Hater shit. I've ever seen before my life. I put so much work and effort into this.

I know. And now you mass unfollow? Steve, why would you? That was some haters shit. Can I just be real? Can I be real? What the fuck's it? Now they know how the midnight

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Was he hating because he didn't have a car? This guy was kind of a, he sometimes would hate. Okay? He sometimes would hate. He's one of my, I love him the death, but he, he would hate in a funny, it would be funny. He's like, it would be, it would be funny. But it's coming from the heart. Sometimes he would hate.

You know what my worst, the worst hate, like, this is what I hate what guys do. Whenever, like, you know, you're in a bar club, like a girl gives you a compliment, your boy will just say something like, well, you know, it's not that nice. And I'm like, that's crazy. That's crazy. I hate her and I hate a what about me ass. Yeah, I'm like, no. So like a girl comes in, oh, look, this got a nice shirt.

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I got real Ring of Verse recommends stuff for this month. I'm very happy about me. Yeah, I'm all right. Because I got the new Oculus. Ooh. So the new Oculus has really been taken over. Right. So you recommend they buy an Oculus and then whatever you have. The Oculus is crazy.

Right, okay. Oculus 3 and all the Midnight Boys Oculus. We'll do some Oculus content. Actually, no what, by the way, we could be doing shit like that. we could be like doing Oculus content and all of that stuff, but the shit I'm going to recommend is going to be on the Oculus. The MSRP for an Oculus is $430. Not true.

Okay. That's the higher Oculus. What's the lower? What did you get? I got the higher one. Okay. So that's the one you got. Right.

But you could get the lower one. How much is the lower one? I think we're ranging from like around $300. No, it's like $230. That's not right. Okay? And a lot of you guys out here, we record, hold on. This, see, this is the dumb shit that I'm talking about.

All we recommend it's stuff. on the PS5? Exactly. How much is that motherfucker? A lot more people got PS5s than they do

Oculuses. That's not the point. Why are you being that? You made it seem like the Oculus was super duper expensive when we're recommending

stuff on the PS5 and the XX5. How much is a PS5 game? Yeah. You're going to take that? Hey, look, all I'm saying is this. Me personally,

I wouldn't let that stuff. The white man calling y'all broke? That's a kind of disrespect. You can't allow. Steve is hated on a black man. and he has legitimately price shamed, broke shamed,

an audience of black and brown and female people. And you want to know what's worse? Female people. When I was riding into the garage. Women. Ladies, I apologize. When I was riding into the garage,

I saw his new whip, cyber truck. Oh, my God. Swastika down. Whoa, hold on. Oh, whoa, whoa. Whoa. Are we in the presence of a new nickname?

Steve on Musk. Steve on Musk. Today, didn't you? Oh, yeah. You really stepped in it today, didn't you? You, you're basically smug bastard. You wish you would have never opened your mouth, Steve on Musk.

Steve on Musk is his new nickname. His baby mom is hitting him up on X. Damn, blah, blah, blah, blah. If anybody used to grind in Path of Exile 2 for me, that would be great. Oculus is coming on the goddamn reason. We're not going to let Steve on. Musk stop us.

Jesus Christ. On today's show, we're going to view our instant reactions to the latest episodes of Daredevil Born Again, and we're keeping track of the Avengers Doomsday announcement, Steve. You just took it on the channel a little bit. So tell us what's happening right now over at Marvel.

Currently, there's going to be a lot of chairs being shown to us live on, I believe, YouTube and Instagram from the Marvel account. And they're announcing, apparently, cast of Doomsday and we've had a handful of names so far. We've started off with Chris Hemsworth, Vanessa Kirby, Anthony Mackey, Sebastian Stan, Latisha Wright, Paul Rudd, Wyatt Russell, Taineshwerta, Ebonos Bacharach, Simulu,

Florence Pugh, Kelsey Grammer, and right now we're at Lewis Pullman. Louis Pullman, essentially. I know that they're going to shoot this, like, I think it's like next week. Yeah, the production is getting started, yeah. So my question is, are all these people in a movie or are they doing one of them like, oh, we're going to have people popping in, but kind of like what, endgame was like five Avengers, six Avengers. Most of these people are going to die in this movie.

Yeah. Wiped out for Secret Wars. Wiped out for Secret Wars. Maybe they come back in Secret Wars, a battle world situation. This is not going to be unlike, in my opinion, unlike Infinity War. By the way, spoilers for this.

I mean, this is just, it's not spoilers. It's just speculating. Fuck spoilers. All right. We're talking about these. Thank you. Which, if they were to do that,

would be risky to me. I mean, it sounds like what they're doing is exactly like what Infinity War and Endgame was. I think the other reason why it's risky is they're announcing a bunch of people that I don't. Oh, guys, guys, we've got a big name. Big name. Big name just came through. Danny Ramirez, Falcons back.

Baby. Okay, great. Yeah. Is that true? Yeah, they brought the Falcon back. Look. Yeah. Oh, niggas couldn't give a fuck less about that.

Hey, don't do that, Johnny. Yeah, for it. Seriously, don't, don't. Don't be interrupted in the entire episode. Don't, John me, don't do that, bro. Don't do that, bro. Keep it real, bro. We are off to a problematic start here on the middle.

We're problematic, y'all. We have, uh, Steve on Musk. And you, and then you, now you're like, you're false selling. You're false selling. Don't say a big name and then it would be Danny Ramirez. Also, don't, Also, you got me on Danny Ramirez, bro. That's fucked up.

I like to. I like Danny Ramirez. Hey, he's fun. I like Miami. I like Danny Ramirez. I like the fact, Danny Ramirez, big Miami University fan. Yeah, he was a bright spot in the movie.

Bright spot in the movie. Couldn't give a fuck less that he's in Doomsday. Facts. I got to keep it real. But that's why I think it's a little risky, because if they do another Infinity War, we were, when Spidey dies,

Spidey dies. I'm like, damn, Tom Holland. I got an emotional connection to this character. If they get rid of a bunch of these characters, I don't give a fuck about... You don't think Danny Ramirez is going to move the needle like that? Clearly not. I mean, look.

Clearly not. Look, I like Danny Ramirez as Falcon. He was like one of the... Like you said, but... Yeah. Nigger don't care. All right. Let's get into Daredevil right now.

We're going to be interrupting Daredevil coverage, like Jomey said. As names come through. As names come through. I won't lie to them again. Don't lie no more. I mean, you know, you got to go bigger and bigger every time. Guys, guys. You got to go, what?

Bigger and bigger every time. So you can't till it can't fit no more. All right. Spoiler warning for Daredevil, MCU, everything up to date. Let's go. We're getting ready to talk about Daredevil I'm Born Again. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming.

Chuck Midnight Manifest. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for episodes five and six, The Daredevil Born Again. These two episodes are titled With Interest and Excessive Force. The first is directed by Jeffrey Nachmanoff, written by Gray and Godfried. Second is directed by David Boyd, written by Joe Blankenship. First episode, Matt tries to get a loan for his new law firm.

When a bank is robbed, Matt teams up with Kamal Khan's dad to stop the robbery. And in the next episode, Fisk officially unveils his vigilante task force who take down the serial killer muse, but Matt decides to take matters into his own hands when Angela is captured by the villain. Finally, donning the daredevil suit, Matt goes to the subway to save Angela from muse, but the villain escapes. Meanwhile, Fisbeasts the shit and potentially kills Angela's old lover. With the Midnight Manifest being over, Van, how did you feel about episodes five and six?

So I'll tell you something here. I gained a lot of clarity on what the show wants to be in these two episodes. I enjoyed watching. I always had this concept for this movie called Wayne. Wayne? Like John Wayne? Wayne? Who do you think Wayne would be? Steve is back on my team now.

Now me and Steve are now lethal weapon. Steve just... Oh, he's Steven Musk and... I'm here to break my own. Van Gibson? He's Steve on Musk and I'm Van Gibson. I'm doing with that. I mean, given my... Your attitude is right.

I'm clearly Mel Gibson from that. Well, you could be Mel Gibson and then I would be... I don't think we should table this. You are too old for this. I am too old for this shit. And then you are, because this is the thing is, I'm too old for this shit. Yeah.

And then you, like Mel Gibson, don't look too old for this shit, but sneaky. Definitely, yeah. You are. Sneaky old. Okay. Wayne is Bruce Wayne. Yeah.

I always had this movie that I wanted to do or this comic run where Bruce Wayne is abroad and something happens and he has to it's like a die hard situation look it's like die hard but with Bruce Wayne oh where he's just like got to get to his bat suit or like get to his thing there is no bat suit he doesn't have it right

like Bruce Wayne Alfred's on vacation he can't call no about it he's calling Alfred Alfred is his dude is Ronald Bill Johnson yeah yeah Bruce Wayne is like he's in Tokyo or some cool place and something happens, well, Bruce Wayne has to fight his way out,

and he can't let people know that he's Batman, that he has all of these skills. He has to maintain his secret identity, but he still has to, like, save the day. Who's he safe? Like, he has to be saving, you know, he's trying to get back with a wife. Is it Talia? Is it a catwoman? Who is it? I never got that deep into the thing.

But, like, I've told people, but yeah, yeah. Who, Vicki Vail, maybe. And Vicki Vail would be great, but it would be like, yeah, but the problem is you can't sell people a bad. movie with no Batman. Everybody would say that. And I'll be like, fuck you. Like, you guys make all kinds of stupid movies. They can do a comedy show.

I will actually say this would make a great, like, if they were like, hey, Colin Farrow don't want to be in a penguin suit. This would make a great HBO Mac show. It's like, Christmas time, Wayne. But this is essentially, when I saw this, I was like, they did it. Yeah. This is essentially that movie. Look, I understood better what this show is from watching.

episode and the next episode. We just stay on with interest, which is the bank episode. I got it. I got the episode. I enjoyed it. It was brisk, shorter than some of the other ones. And it

kind of gave you a little bit more of Matt Murdoch's character. This is so interesting because this is my least favorite episode of this. With interest? Okay. The bank robbery? Yeah, because I thought it kind of it spoke to the stuff that I'm bouncing off. of where I think

a lot of the dialogue was, hey, you know, I'm Mr. So-and-so. I'm Kamala's dad. And this is who she is. That was a bad thing. And I'm just like, you need to, like, here's a thing. Let us fall in love with that character

like we have never met him. Don't do this like exposition dump of... In case you don't know who I am, you couldn't be more right. That was a bad thing. And I think this wasn't like an unwatchable episode. I just felt like after just the tension of,

okay, Punisher is back. We're moving somewhere to immediately stop the momentum of the season to just kind of have another like, Matt, this is just what Matt's doing in the middle of the day. I was like, this is. Which in the vacuum is fine. It's fun. But in terms of the momentum of the season,

I'm like, where's Punisher? We just finished seeing the Punisher screaming at him. Yeah. We're like, okay, now we're off on a fun adventure at the bank. They used to make real TV, man. This episode reminded me of this stuff we used to have and used to enjoy. I don't disagree. What do you mean?

It's exactly what it was. In a 22 episode season, you'd have an episode where Matt's had a bank and he's got to fight people without. And that's why I liked it so much because it reminded me of a time that does not exist. Right. And then every single episode has to further some agenda or do some things. How many episodes is this season? Nine. But that's what I'm saying.

Well, no, the season is 18. So we're not calling that part season two? Well, maybe, but we're getting nine, and then we're getting a break. And it's going to be, so, I mean, in this part of the season, this batch is basically 18 episodes. So I think we should, well, you know, that's an interesting. Because, no, but they, because that's how they originally want to do the show. But now I believe that they're marketing, they're splitting it up and they're just calling it Daredevil Born Again season two. So I get what you're saying, but I'm like, hey, if I have to wait a bunch of months for the second

season, I only get nine episodes. By the fifth episode of them just being like, oh, this is just kind of like old TV. I'm like, no, A, it's really not. B, something that was like old TV that recently released, something like Paradise. I enjoyed that show because I'm like, here's the thing. When we used to get 22 episode seasons, something crazy would fucking happen. At least one crazy thing would happen. You just play with some shit.

Yeah. There also used to be, and I just want to say, this in 22 episodes seasons because I was a big fan of Fringe and a big fan of that type of television storytelling. They would end on something. I remember specifically on fringe.

They would end on something happening in that massive dynamic where it ends and it's fucking Mr. Spock as, what was the guy that ran Massive Dynamics name? Oh, um, oh God. William. No, no, no. Whatever his name was. And he would be looking out over

something, you'd be like, damn. And then when they would preview the next episode, it would be like, Lizard Man in Manhattan. And I'll be like, Lizard Man. Like, where's this coming from? I'd be like,

because every single fringe episode, it was kind of like the X-Files. So it would be a new thing. Be like, God, what a great show. Is there a lizard man? I'd be like, fuck the lizard man. Like, what are we talking about

with the lizard man? I will always support a lizard man. Lizard Man episode was fucking good. It was great. Like, yeah. But, so in a 22 episode, season to Jomi's point, I do think that there were times where they would break off of the main

storytelling and just give you an episode of cool shit happening to your lead that establishes maybe a new thread. No, but I agree with that. But what I think we forget about a lot of those shows is the style that they were written in. They were always just like, something needs to be happening, something needs to be exploding, something emotionally that's going to keep you hooked because every episode can't be that Daredevil Born Again doesn't have those episodes. Like it hasn't had those peaks where like I'm like, oh shit, something so explosive happened.

Now we have 22 episodes to figure it out. So let's talk about specifically what happens here. We get Matt going into the bank for a loan for the law firm. Talk to Kamala Khan's dad. I do agree that in that scene, like we didn't need to see the doll. We didn't need to see this. We didn't need to see that. They could just play the scene straight.

it would have been fine. The Irish gang is doing the bank robbery. Cool. On St. Patrick's Day. And they are trying to get the money to pay back Fisk from fucking offender. Lusely tied to what's going on. It's not loosely. No, it's extremely tied.

It's like a... But in the events of the plot of this direct episode, it's like a small part of what actually needs to happen. Because they don't end up getting the diamond. They don't end up getting the money back. Yeah, which is a whole thing in the next episode. In the next episode. So it's not a small part of.

thing, it's a pretty big thing. Damn, y'all going... It's not loosely tied anything. It's like a... It's a nigger time. What? I'm sorry. I'm watching the episode.

No, five seconds. I need you guys to go in on Steve's face. Like, look, dude. Steve, what? Because I was worried about it in that episode. I'm like... What? What that happened is like the whole thing.

Steve was looking like, this motherfucker. All right, guys, guys, guys, guys. Let's pause. Everybody. Cool. Let's just like, let's just stay. Yeah. Let's just take a second.

Steve, stop looking at Jomey like that. I'm a bus out laughing. Let's just stop, bro. Guys, we're going to pause. We're all friends here. Yeah. Mip boys, I need you to figure this out. Yeah, seriously.

Are we good? Is everybody good? We're good. Fucking Civil War over here. God damn. Human torch. Just with Quinn. Oh, okay.

So all the Fantastic Four is going to be in the movie. Well, we don't know. The only person that haven't named yet is Reed, right? Right? Yes. Yeah. So maybe. That's a big name.

Actually, that's big. Maybe Reed's not in it. Okay, cool. New name. New name. New name on the phone. Joseph Quinn. Ding.

Okay. So does the bank robbery stuff work for you guys in terms of how Matt is, I loved that stuff. I loved Matt using. I loved, yeah. I really want to talk about it because I found myself in the episode, like literally watching it. I also had some fire hot ones. So I was on my own endorphins. Oh, he was living.

Founders' alehouse, Pico. We got to say it's a bar right around it. That's got to be our bar. When we come to the house now, we're going to the Founders' Alehouse and just chilling. Say less. But so I found myself going, I started off with the episode being a little disappointed that this is what we were doing, right? But when Matt goes back in and he's using his cunning and his powers and all of this stuff, I thought two things.

One, this is Wayne. And then I thought two things, the second thing I thought was, I like this. I like the way this is going. I like, I'm all, I'm trying to figure out how he's going to use

his intelligence and it's cunning to beat these guys. So I, I guess the thing that was tripping me up is, I don't believe the characterization of this Matt Murdoch. I don't know if this Disney Plus version has kind of like figured it out yet.

And I kind of felt that way all the way back to She-Hulk because that was a little bit more of a lighter touch and more comedic touch and now between his big like

revealing like oh my gosh this is this is white tiger this is the vigilante and in this episode part of me was like that was kind of moving like a dumb ass almost where I'm like I get that

I get that he hat well not a dumb ass more so he was moving like an asshole where it was like I'm like Matt you're about to get these people shot or at least least these people don't know because you have the superpowers so at least you can hear if they're going to pull a trigger whatever. But I'm like, you get real risky with a bunch of motherfuckers' lives

here. I get it. The only thing I would say, though, is he's the only superhero in the room. So everybody else is afraid. And he is legitimately the only person that realizes, you know what, if this does go bad, I can just start fucking people up. Like, so he, so that had to come across. he couldn't play it to me. I guess he could have, but he couldn't play it to me as if there was any fear of these guys because he had to be super sure

that everything that he was going to do is going to work. Remember, he's not just from he's not just like athletically or from a superpower standpoint more qualified or capable than these guys. He's also just smarter than them.

He's been in a lot of situations. with criminal masterminds that far exceed what these guys are capable of. So they're kind of like, you know, the little mushroom people in Mario that you jump and you... The Gumbas? The Gumbas. Like, you can just jump and stomp on their head.

You can use them to jump off of them. Like, you don't need them. Like, it's only Bowser that you're like, how I'm going to jump on them three times, how I'm going to do all of this. He kind of, they don't really pose that much of a threat to him. So this is actually like a genuine question. Do you...

Does this match? Because I haven't rewatched the Netflix series. in a while. Do you guys feel like this is like the same Matt tonally? Because my memories of that Matt, he was a little bit more downplayed, a little bit more reserved. Like he was a killer lawyer,

but Foggy was more so kind of like the guy that was leading that. And there was like a low simmer. And this version of Matt seems a little bit more like on the edge. This is how I'm going to do shit. I'll do anything to kind of win. And I'm like, I'm not saying that's the wrong interpretation

of the character. It is just, it's like a little bit different. I was like, oh, I don't remember this version of Matt. I mean, because Foggy died. I think that's supposed to be the difference, right? Is that he had like an emotional, something to ground him emotionally. That's gone now, right? And so he kind of let loose a little bit more.

I mean, we're talking about it in the next episode, but like the primal screams that he does when he's like fighting guys. Like, I don't remember that totally from the original show. He keeps doing it. He keeps doing it. He's like laying loose. He's going nuts. So I think it is a little different,

but I think it makes sense within the context of the story. I think it's easy to say that he's kind of like rudderless without Foggy and Karen, especially for the fact that he's been repressing that part of himself ever since Foggy died. He is letting that out primarily. And in like small bits of, like the pressure release valve of him either being violent or walking through a bank robbery like it's easy mode is kind of him stepping back into it. And obviously that's walking into what the fifth episode does, where both he and Fisk are dipping in fully to what that is.

And that's probably like, this alludes to the final straw of him letting that. Yeah, but you got to remember, though, he didn't have to, like, he left the bank. They were getting robbed. That's why I was just about to say. Go ahead. They were getting robbed. And he could have just kept them moving like, hey, I'm good. No, he almost did.

He picks up the phone to call 911. He picks up the phone to call 911 to get to, well, he calls, he's called Justin. He's called me. He's on the phone with her. And then he calls 911, he's like, shit, he has to go back. Like, he has to go back at help. He just can't not do it. I mean to step on you.

No, no, no. But, like, that's a huge part of this episode is that he's not Superman. He can't go back into the bank and go, boom, and his daredevil costume is under. Although, isn't it responsible to have the daredevil? Well, he's not daredevil anymore. But, like, I guess. But it's a big bulky thing. You can't really have that under your.

Well, also, the other thing that's not working for me either is I'm just like, every single time to do a shot of him, like, just touching the Daredevil horn, I'm like, I get it. He wants to be Daredevil, y'all. Put the fucking horn away every single time. Because he keeps coming back to the horn. He's horny. He's got a finger the horn.

He's horny. Steve, you're working your way back into the episode. I just want to let you know that. You start off at a deficit, but your takes are good. your overall I'll say your attitude is good you're working your way back into this I appreciate that moment to moment feedback

I'm telling you I'm letting you know yeah um now I'll I'll say this I didn't like it I loved it I love it I liked it I loved it loved it I also love the fact that

Kamala Khan's father was right there as both a character that gets to see gets to see Matt in action and someone that's tying the worlds together a little bit, you know what I mean? In a way that's besides that one thing, which granted, very heavy.

Also, exposition by Funko Pop. A little exposition, one thing that's stuck out to me, mentioned Kamala, obviously, mentioned his wife once. Didn't mention his son. Not nearly one time. I forgot the guy. Well, you know, it's kind of hard.

Honor roll student, he's just finding his way. No, he's got married. Also, is this before or after the Marvels? I think it's after. One would assume after. He points up, but he can't really talk about it. You know what I mean? Oh, okay, okay.

The only thing that could have made that little exposition scene, like, a little more corny is if he would have went. She's one of, we think she might be one of these new things that we call mutants. I've literally thought he was about to pull that show. I was like, bro. Because also. So the thing, and we're kind of, I'm going to be mixing between this episode and the last episode. The thing that I'm like, that's not totally landing for me as well is the thematic propulsion of this season is so much about vigilantes. Like we have now is a therapist.

Doing the vigilante book. Doing the vigilante book being like, hey, can you hook me up to punish or whatever? And because I feel like the series doesn't know whether it wants to be the Netflix series or wants to be something new, we never really get to see the vigilantes. You know what I mean? And show a little clip of the Swordsman. A little clip of that. We saw White Tiger on the CCTV footage in his costume.

But I'm like, yo, where's, like, when they're talking about the vigilante problem, I'm like, you literally have vigilantes that Derek Devil has met, whether it is Spider-Man, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist. And I think a lot of this show is doing something where it's telling us, it's not showing. us. Like, I don't actually understand what the vigilante problem in New York is because we never really get to see it. Like, politically, I don't, I don't even think sometimes, like, what does the, what do these people actually feel about vigilantes popping up? So is it that there, is it that the show's not telling us, or is that it's a fabrication of Fisks agenda? Like, there's a

vigilante problem. You could say that. Kind of, right? Because, because even in the new, the, the newest episode, he's like, muse. he's an anti-vigilante task force, but we all know that Mews is just killing people. He's not an actual, he's not like saving lives, it's not an actual hero, just doing a mask,

using that to further his anti-vigilante agenda, right? It's kind of... That's the wireish part of it. The wireish part of it is... It's McNulty, uh, strangling folks to get the overtime... To get the manpower that he needs to do what he really wants to do.

But I think if we go through, like, even recent MCU history. I do think that, like, Kingpin ain't lying in terms of Hawkeye basically destroyed a whole fucking block. You know, you had a... The whole Christmas? The whole Christmas shit. Kamala Khan in Jersey City,

she basically had to go up against the Jersey City cops. You know what I'm saying? It's not that many years removed from the blip, from the Avengers having to save from the Chattari. I do think that there is a more interesting ground level examination of like, does New York actually want these superpowered people? Because there could be like, magocoded people who are just like, this fucking sucks.

Ever since Luke Cage and Jessica Jones start running around, like, I feel unsafe. And part of the show is I'm like, that's actually like a really interesting storyline. I guess I just haven't, there hasn't been enough for me to actually like feel as if this is something that this is a fabric of one city. I liked six even more than five. Really? Yep. I think that's fair.

I thought the show really found itself in these two episodes. Yeah. I like six even more than five. Six for two reasons. Number one, for some reason, even though it's been staccato, them finding themselves, Fisk trying to put his suit back on and it ripping. He's becoming Kingpin again. The scene where the sanitation worker that we met in the episode before explains to the

mayor. By the way, that guy has a terrible life. Oh, he does. Rangers, Mets, and Jets fans. Prayers up to the world. But the scene of him explaining to the mayor that Mews was painting in blood was a fantastic

funny scene. It was a fantastic scene. And it was funny because I've never seen Fisk like that helpless and frustrated. He needs his guy to get to the point. And by by the time the guy gets to the point, he goes, oh, it's human blood. And then you see them go, I'm like, that to me

kind of seems like the DNA of the show that they wanted to make. And so as I watched that, even to the point to where Daredevil and Mews meet up at the end of the episode, I thought all of that stuff worked and the show actually finally finally. I was,

I was actually surprised that that episode was going to be the one. Huh? I'm just saying shit under my breath. Yeah. Yeah. I was surprised that, you name.

David Harbor running the Thunderbolts. All right, this is real side. Thunderbolt doesn't even come out yet. Why are we excited? Why are we feeling? I'm very excited for Thunderbolt. All right.

These guys die. Red Guardian, you have so much. I tweeted this. This thing is so much more funnier when you think about it. Like, they're a public, an NFL team publicly announcing, their 53 man roster for opening day. That's such you, right? And so you're just like, hey, David Harbour, come in.

Hey, you make the team, man. You're going to be there opening night, man. Congratulations. I'm I reminded of that Dark Universe promo picture with like Tom Cruise and Javier Bardem and all those movies that didn't happen. All time dumb shit. That was all time.

I knew it was going to work the minute because I was like, from the minute I saw the photo, I'm like half these movies not be able to do top five dumb moments. Oh, it has to be dark universe. All time dumb shit. I mean, I'm going to be an honest. Do you remember when they tried, D.C. tried to do a, this is our slate and they had like a cyborg movie. I'm like, there is never going to.

All the time. We should do a dumb announcement's top ten, the Gambit announcement. Oh, man. The Henry Cavill coming back of Superman. Oh, so good. That's probably number one. The most recent ones. So sorry for him.

I don't. It was, bro, it was so funny. Like, in a morbid way. It was like so excited, so happy, man. then like two weeks later, James Gones like, actually. Like, it doesn't it just a black Adam whole,

like the hierarchy of the DCU is about to change that shit? Hey, it really did. This is great. We're going to do this show. Dumb announcements in fandom. Because that Henry Calvin went, hey, guys,

I'm back. I wrote. I'm back. Nigger. No, you are not. It's like, how many days between that? I feel so.

It could have been like, I had to feel bad for it's crazy. But to go from Superman to back to being the number one Warhammer player in the... That's crazy, man. That's crazy. You get all right, man. You can't get mad and tell me for the Danny Ramirez shit and just got like... What?

He was... Wait, do you guys... Since we're talking about Henry Cavill, this just was on my time. Do you remember when Demi Lovato was openly thirsting for Henry Cavill? Oh, for real? Oh, yeah. On Instagram. Yeah.

He liked a bunch of his pictures. Like, how did he set the activity page on Instagram? You can see what people are liking. And so she, like, liked some of the pictures, followed him, and then post, like, a thirst trap. Like, within like three minutes. It was an elite thirst trap, too. I was just like. Demi used to have it.

She probably still does. I haven't seen a recent. But this is pissing me off for Thunderbolts because I'm like, yo, can I see the fucking movie before y'all starts? Maybe they like it a lot. But this is a result of how these things operate now, like the market. Remember when N-Gang came out and then they had far from home right after. Right? And they couldn't really mark it far from home.

Until in game. The movie is fucking Tony Stark's dead. Yeah, but here's the thing. I already, we already know, knew a lot of this stuff was going to have in terms of the Fantastic Four. But I'm like,

can I watch the Fantastic Four movie before y'all are like, hey, yo, they already going to be in Doomsday. Like, I'm like. So you're saying they could have, they could have waited until after Fantastic War did. So it's because.

This is not even coming out until late 26. Well, the problem with that is, if I'm just spitballing, And the problem is the set photos are going to start. Sure, yeah, that's probably. So if they're starting to shoot like next week or whenever they're going to start to shoot, if you see some shit, this is why. The set photos are going to start to come out.

They're going to, and the scoopers are going to beat them to their own. But at such a low point for the MCU, doesn't it kind of feel like sometimes they're almost like rushing to the next thing instead of kind of like luxuriating, like, yeah, we believe in Thunderbolts. Isn't the PR move of that a little bit more, like, better? We're like, wouldn't you want the buzz of knowing, like, oh, my God. We see Pedro Pascal on the set of Doomsday. What does this mean?

I just think, I think that's a good point. I think, though, that they probably, we'll get back to Daredevil, like, right after this happened. I think they probably just want to be able to control it themselves. Yeah, you got to control the narrative. But, like, control is, like, quality control is what I want. I mean, here's the thing, they were saying that those weren't real, those weren't real artwork that came from Dunesday Secret War, whatever. They get that shit on purpose. Yeah, so I'm already kind of just.

I'm like, we already got the hit that don't need hit from that shit. Yeah, I get it. But back to Daredevil, what I was going to say is I was actually surprised that Daredevil showed up in episode six because it was something that I was just like, oh, this is what the season is leading up to, him putting back on the suit, this triumphant moment. And when he started jumping off the roofs and like swinging, I'm like that. I was fucking with it. You have fun.

No, I was like that. I was fucking with it. Like, when you realized it was. funny, well, not funny, but when you realize how many people Muses is killed? 60? Yeah. That's like, that's so many people.

That was when even Wilson Fiske was like, what? Yo, like, he was like, a sanitation worker figure out of the NYPD? Look, sanitation forgot on NYPD. I'm gonna do whatever I want. Yeah. He's like, you shut the fuck.

And we're talking about a version, like, shit that they're talking about on the show that I'm like, that would be pretty lit. When we were complaining earlier in the season like, yo, white tiger didn't get to do any cool shit. I'm like, yo, giving White Tiger a couple of scenes where he's like tracking down views, he's the, he's a Puerto Rican who's just like, there's all these people. He's a, what did you feel need to hurt that? Can I fit?

He's a Puerto Rican man in his borough being like a bunch of people are getting kidnapped, black and brown people that look like fucking me. The city doesn't fucking care. I'm going to go find them out. I'm like, that gives me that, like, I'm a feel for that, nigga. I'm gonna be like, damn. Damn. That shit, but I do happen.

He saved it. No, you got nervous like it was the 30 rock bit. We're just like, I can't possibly say that. No, no, no. I shouldn't add so much. I don't know, you could say. You had a lot of hot sauce. I don't know how much.

No, but like to be, if I'm being so real, like, I do think that that is an interesting bit of like, okay, like this Puerto Rican man who is quite literally fighting for his life out here trying to better his family. And he's taking time out of his family. of his day to be like, there's all these people the city does not care about that are getting killed. That is something I was like, oh, that's so interesting. I want to see that. And it's like not seeing that. I was like, wait, what?

Taking time out of his day is interesting. I don't know that I got the impression that he had too much going on. How was he paying for that? I'm sure. I'm sure. He does. But that was probably his 2K time. That was his 2K time. But, but. But. But. But. But. But. But. But. So people are missing. Muse is behind the scenes working. Do we get Muse, the full reveal of Muse, abruptly a little bit.

But the episode worked to me because this was the episode to me with the, like, really worked, where with the fewest amount of scenes that I feel like just didn't matter. With the fewest amount of scenes, every single scene, Everybody's talking about, I can see the seams in the show. Oh, see the seams. Oh, let's see the scenes.

We, as podcasters, is there like a, by the way, I'm not saying that that is not a good criticism. Because, you could definitely see the seams. Sure. It's very true. But, like, is there an email that I'm missing with all of the terms? Like, I've heard see the seams a lot. Oh, all these like buzz. I feel like people heard Charles say see the seams.

and then everybody started saying, see the seams, the blank of it all. Like, all of these themes, we're going to start categorizing all of the podcaster terms, and then we go outlaw them on. Oh, okay. So when is, I'm going to be honest with you, it happened. Bye. I don't know. You've been trying to get rid of that for a while.

I just say that a lot. Yeah. If you guys want it gone, is that a podcaster term? I don't think so. But here's a thing. I think what it is is that. What are the podcaster terms that people say over and over and over again that we can all. The blank of it all.

The blanket of it all is one. See the seams. I'm not saying it's bad. Like, I'm like, don't couch it. Like, don't, like. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm not saying it's bad. Okay.

Okay. Also, to so-and-so's point, to so-and-so's point, all of the podcaster terms that people have been throwing out a little bit, I'm sick of them. Wait, no, can I push back, though? What? Pushback. Is this one?

Push-back. Push-back. Some pushback on that. A little bit real. A little bit of me real. Yeah. Are these just like, you know how rappers like, Lil Wayne is like, we get a baby and the F is four.

Like, is that our shit as podcasters where it's just like. Just do this long enough. You lean on some things. You lean on. You know you got some. We need our own Midnight Boy shit that we could say. And then we don't, I don't want to hear us saying. Okay, so we got to put it on the whiteboard.

Other shit. Yeah, we need, we need a couple of whiteboards here. Could be blackboards. We need a couple. We know what I want to mess with chalk. We're going to do blackboards. We're going to do black boards with white writing because we're going to do blackboards here on the midnight boards.

We're going to put a couple of them. When we start going to something too much, we're going to put it on there. And we're going to strike it. But back to the show, this was the show where every single thing to me is meaningful and it's building up to something to where I'm like, okay, I am starting to feel exhilarated by watching it. By the time we get to kingpin fucking over Adam, who, why was she fucking on him? He looks terrible.

I mean, he's got a lot there. He's been a lot there. I can't see. I can't normally, I could see even if you're in a bad situation. Yeah, he definitely needs to cut. He definitely needs to cut. And if I'm going to be real. She was a long hair?

I mean, he's not a long hair before. Yeah, no, I feel like he, because he's been in that hole for God knows how long. Long enough to grow his hair out like that. I don't have to be there for a long-ass fucking time. How long has Kimpin been, it's been a couple months maybe? Yeah, it's been a minute. He's been down there for a minute. Educate us on the hair of watts.

I mean... How long would it take for you to grow your hair out that long? That, I mean, it's like past his shoulder. Yeah, he's down to his shoulder. That's got to be, like, months? Maybe a year. See?

That's he, she's like, she's fucking a long hair. I mean, but if I'm going to be honest, it's not like Wilson Fiske is his motherfucking Michael D's Jordan out of me. You know what I mean? But the Adam stuff is crazy, like, in that scene specifically, because he threw you to axe,

he opened the door. I'm leaving. I'm literally just walking out. He was killing him. He was killing him regardless. Oh, he didn't kill him. He threw him back in the fucking camera. He left him alive, barely alive.

He left him. He left him. He left him. Which is so messed up. Like, even if you give him an axe, like, that's not a fair fight. Is Wilson a little bit of a bitch, too? Because I'm just like, hey, yo, he fucked on your girl. Get over. Like, I don't, I don't know what.

The game is the gameplay. You know what I mean? He's going out like a, she chose up. He's going out like a hell. For sure. Yeah. And also, if I'm going to be real. Look, look, look.

that's toxic, like we have a bunch of mysteries. They went to pick up artist's guy's name. I don't know. Like, we, but look at us. We talk, oh, we know hoes. I mean, I wouldn't know. What? We just, that just, that didn't just get really odd, like, shit, nigga.

We know how. You never let a bitch fuck your, like, you like. Wait, I was that toxic. I was just like, you left her. She found another man. Why did you kill him? I know, but it's, it's, it, there wasn't a little bit of. Saji, Saji.

Not Saji, but a little bit. I don't think it was... Oh, shit. Oh, shit. We know how to treat these females and blah, blah, blah, blah. Absolutely not. Maybe it's me. It's got to be just you.

I'm not keeping another man in a cage. A little weird. A little weird to you. I think you should just get over it. I'm glad that you've come to that decision that you wouldn't keep another man in a cage. I wish that your people would have come to that decision a couple hundred years ago. If I'm going to be honest, if any, if any of the midnight boys was going to keep it.

It was time. A guy in a cage, I think it would be used to you. Yeah. What? You like that? That's funny to me. I just give us some time and we'll come to the conclusion of sleepers. 400 years?

It took you 400 years. That's a lot of time. That's funny. That's funny. I'll give you a minute. Winston Duke is coming back. Anyway, back to the show. Also, the Angela shit is so funny to me

because she walked into it. She walks into his like fucking, fucking law firm. She's like, Matt, what the fuck you're gonna do about this Sierra Killer? Blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, what is this wide man? Like, she don't know he. For somebody who knows I'm not Daredevil? I thought she knew he was Daredevil at first.

You think? I thought she did. Do you think there's so much pluck? She's a little plucky. She's very plucky. How about you do something? She doesn't know he's Daredevil? She always throw like tiny people into these shows, like little plucky, tiny powerful people. Like teenagers? Well, so here's the thing, right? She is

one of the, she has, she does have that character, Angela, let me show you the name right. Ayala. Yeah, she has the mantle of White Tiger in the comics. Yes. And so I don't know if this is another

Young Avengers' agenda. I think so. I mean, White Tiger? You know what I mean? What's the roster for Young Avengers looking like? I mean, at this point, he's got Hawkeye, Miss Marvel, Patriot. Patriot, Billy,

Cassie, Ironheart stature. Who is that team beating? Those motherfuckers are getting murked. White Tiger, it's not... I mean, like, I mean, we'll see what it looks like. You know, we gotta find a villain form at some point. But introducing White Tiger in this show is pretty interesting.

I mean, these shows have a track record as far as we go back, aside from... I mean, you can even argue for Loki with Kid Loki or Kid Loki, right? They introduced a little Young Avengers, little agenda. I don't want a kid love. Out there. I don't know if I want a white tiger in there because I know she a little young. but she went out easy. You know what I mean?

She could probably do a flip. Also, I mean, Matt was struggling with Mews in a way where I'm just like, Muse don't got no hands. He ain't been in the gym, you know what I'm saying? It's like he struggled every time he's fought. It's been, and I- The fucking Irish dude gave him a little work. He's supposed to fuck over that Irish dude in three moves.

Yes. I mean- He's fucking daredevil. Bro, okay? No, no, bro. He just missed 22 games with a calf injury. Bro, bro. Bro. You gotta let him get back in shape.

I've done so much to, like, not be that guy. It's fucking daredevil. You gotta get back in shape. The thug from Ireland is getting fucked up in three moves. Remember in Dark Night Rises when Batman hadn't been Batman for a long time? And he was getting like, he was getting clapped. This is, I need you to stop with the MCU agenda. By bang.

Not by bang. Not by first night. Not by regular niggas. By Bain. Bain clapped him up. Wayne did clap him, but like regular guys. Let's just go down the episodes. Daredevil was getting fucked up by Bullseye, got his fucking everybody.

That one was stuffed. That was a good matchup. Bill is a good matchup. That's a good matchup. The cops? He was struggling against the cops. I mean, he beat the shit out. He beat the cops up.

He beat the cops up. Come on. He beat the cops up. Don't do that. Man, I know a nigga named Tyrone. We called him Roney from Baton Rouge. I seen that nigga beat the police up okay that nigga ain't no daredevil

I hope he's still alive but it's a crazy but but like that nigga beat the police up I didn't see maybe that wasn't roney I don't think that was Ronnie to beat the police up but I saw one dude beat the put

them hands on the police you wouldn't know dare devil okay dare devil expert hand to hand they wouldn't show Steve Rogers uh fucking struggling with the police they wouldn't show Steve

Roger struggle with the head thugs. What about the blue mask? What about the blue mask? What, like, he was struggling not just with the Irish guy at the end, the blue mask in the fucking. In the stairway? In the stairway. I'm like, why does it take you 15 minutes to take down one dude, bro?

This is one man. It's got to be quiet, you know what I mean? Because you don't want to. Look, I love both episodes. I'm just saying, I was watching it. And, and, um, because Kaliga was trying out to watch, she was peeking. And she was like, who is that guy? And I'm like, he's one of Irish stuff.

She's like, what is he? Why is the fight? What's happening with the fight? That guy's not some kind of special. I know that that guy probably knows how to, like, handle himself. Sure. Because he's, because, you know, he's a- But he's also not daredevil.

Yeah, he's not daredevil. He's not trained by stick for fucking 15 years with all kinds of special skills. So I will get with that. Mew's layer was cool, bro. I'm sorry. I don't think that's cool. That's a bad hang.

It was gross. Mews's a layer was cool. I bet it smells crazy. Mews is a cool villain. No, he's not. I like him. No, his design's all right. But, like.

I wish he would talk. I don't know what's going on I would love to understand what his motivation You can't be evil banksie That's not cool I think that's dumb What? I get what he is

His art was cool then I'd get it He sucks a graffiti bro It's a graffiti's fun I think like no it's all high concept It's just like oh he's a pig Oh what does this mean He's like kind of like Not I don't say rage against machine

Because it's not on the same thing But he's very much like against the authority Right And so I kind of get that, but I would like to, I guess to your point, they're showing us, but we're not telling us. Like, hey, Muse, why do you do what you do? It is kind of weird that you've got to kill people. Those two girls were just like, we just love your art.

Yeah, I was like, what? You got groupies now? Yeah, you got Instagram. That happens, bro. You haven't never seen these women? I mean, yeah, but like. You never seen these women that, like, that happens, right? They didn't even know it was a serial killer.

Oh, whoa, you're sorry. But there's a lot of women. Shout out to them. There's a lot of women that the only thing that's hotter to be in an artist is a serial killer. If he was a chef, if he was a chef, that would be the holy three. If he looked like Luigi, it would be a different story. Artist, serial killer, chef. Skateboarder.

Oh, Jesus Christ, you can hit a kickflip, you get all the hose. You know what I'm saying? It's like if he was those things in a row. Jesus. But they noticed him with the mask on, right? Because when he was spray painting and the girls go, I was just like, so wait, let me tell you, there's a viral graffiti artist with blood streaming down his fucking eyes. And nobody's just like, this motherfucker's going to win.

They did find out that it was Mews quick. They like me, there was no mystery. So if I was going to criticize the deal, which I'm still trying to figure out what's going on, is that there's a version of the show where Mews shows up as your villain in the first episode. and whatever, whatever, there's no bullseye bullshit, whatever. And then Muse kills Foggy. And we kind of understand how dangerous Mews is by the fact that he has killed Foggy and whatever happens. And they do kind of just give you Mews.

I do understand that. But the episode to me is not really about him. It's about Wilson Fisk and about Matt Murdoch. And it worked to me in terms of giving me enough dramatic momentum to the end of the episodes where each of them are fighting not against Adam and against Muse, but against themselves. Exactly. I thought, and now they edited that scene, like, some of the action sinks up when they throw them to the table and then he throws music to the table. He lands a punch on Adam and then it goes to a punch on Muse. I thought it's just very much like the juxtaposition of those shots.

that you know like, oh, these two people, like your point, are not fighting those guys. It's just so fucked up that Adam's like clearly malnourished. They're going back to what they... It's the bugs buddy meme. It's the whole, yeah. Going back to the old name. Slim shady shit. After a while, I'm like, I get it.

I get it. They two sides of the same coin. I get it. The axe. I'm like, if you had thrown me the axe, I'd have been like, no. I would have sat my assing now. I would have sat my assing now. I didn't just stay.

I'm like, what? I'd be like, you come out there with the axe. I was like, yo, you're not going to use the ass or no, go give me a gun. If you want to make it fair. You're still bulletproof. It's all, you know what I'm saying? Like, go get me a gun. Also, if I'm being real, Fisk was being an asshole because I'm like,

yo, at least give me something that I can maneuver in these tight quarters. I got this fucking ass just trying to swing this shit. Like, give me like a couple knives or at least like. Fisk is a fucking problem. Oh, my God, bro. Like Fisk looks way, way. way more dangerous than Daredevil right now at this point. And also, if we're being real, so what's the difference?

Matt is having all these problems, taking out scrubs. I ain't seen Wilson Fisby in the gym once this season, and he's just like, I mean, to be fair, he is fighting a malnourished prisoner. Yeah. So, I mean, that Daredevil's basically been doing the same shit, and he's been getting washed. Not really. Not even close.

Let's be, come on. It's not the same. Not the same. I mean, Adam has been in that cage for God knows how long. My dad, not my daredevil. My daredevil was fucking up a whole fucking hallway by himself. And he was killing bikers. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Like motherfuckers who had hands. Y'all not. Y'all know he's not been in the gym for a long time, man. You don't have nights where you shoot 10 to 13. Right. Not if you brawny. Wow. Shout out.

Salute. Have we gotten any updates? Nah. I know. We got Winston Duke. And Joseph Quinn. If you. Oh, Joseph Quinn?

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visit the website for full terms and conditions. List and Duke. Namor. Namor. Wakanda's back. You said something about the show's identity that I actually kind of found really interesting because, like, the show kind of finding its stride in episodes five and six, especially with six, knowing that, okay, this is kind of the

identity of the show that it seems to be, like, knowing that we've mirrored Fisk and Murdoch accurately, that they're going back to the old. them all themselves. And it's this personal journey of struggle and making it hard for one other person a bit more than the other. I've liked that, but I've also kind of seen this patchwork of the show that

things operate both in a vacuum and kind of together. I think that when we see the bank robbery, you can easily see a flavor of that show being strewn across all 18 episodes of this show. that doesn't look like episode six. And it still kind of is working. I've liked where these last two have shown us

because I think now that this is a bit more of a correction from a cohesive middle to an end point that we can actually discern. Getting to Muse was important in episode six because you have to introduce, like, the villain, right? You have to introduce something that makes Matt get in the suit, get active, right? And I thought that this episode did a good job of, like, making us feel like, okay, now Matt has to get active, right?

He doesn't know that, or he does know that Angela's getting down there. If he doesn't do anything, she dies. He literally, like, he wants to call 911. It's like, fuck it. I got to do it myself. And that's something I think is important for us as people who have been begging for Daredevil to show up. We asked last week, does this show need Daredevil? And we finally got it.

And I think you mentioned this as being like your favorite episode, at least of this batch, because I feel like for the reason we actually got Daredevil, doing Daredevil stuff. I think this, at this point, I'm just waiting for season two. And I will say this is one of the Disney Plus shows that I've enjoyed more. Like I watched these two episodes. They were not unwatchable.

I was just like, there were moments in both that I was just like, oh, this is like entertaining. But I definitely feel like this is a clearing of the throat process. You feel like it's a d'oeuvres. Yeah, and it's like, and that's fine, where I'm like, they created something that they were just like, this isn't working. And I think they did their best to kind of like patch it together. And it's okay.

Like, that happens in TV. I just think that, like, I'm assuming that these last couple episodes will have a lot more action to them, which I'm excited for. But, yeah, it's just taking them a season to figure out these characters. And I still, I just, it's a little wobbly because I'm like, you guys still don't completely know. what you want to say about Dared out with you yet.

My biggest problem in the two episodes was a very small clip. The very small clip and it was of Souragement. And let me tell you why that was my biggest problem. So it showed swordsman doing this thing and the, then we get,

we see the character talking to Wilson Fiske's back from Hawkeye. And it was cool. You know, it was cool to see Wilson Fiske in that room realizing that there was a, there's a part of the city that's not going to accept him even if he's the mayor. Like that that scene was commentary to me on the fact that there is an upper crust of elites

in any type of situation that doesn't just accept you because the people do. They accept you. They let you in the club when they want to. Like if you are elected and you go to Washington, like, They still, you still got to be accepted by the elites and the people who make the town right. And you have to ingratiate yourself to those people. Wilson Fitts saw that perhaps it was something that was impossible for him to do because of his past. But the swordsman scene, to me, is indicative of kind of sometimes the shit that the show doesn't get right.

These characters are cool. And the old Daredevil show got that right. Yeah. The Punisher is cool. you don't like him, but bull's eye in that other show is cool. He is deadly. He is for,

he is like, you're afraid of him. He's dangerous. They are kind of introducing these characters in a very, like a hokey way. Like, if you're going to introduce the swordsman,

he's got to be like cutting bullets in half and shit. I mean, I'm just, I'm just wearing a hoodie. He's got to, Like it's X-Man origin? Yeah, like, he's got to be, if you're going to introduce him, he's got to be, like, doing cool shit.

Like, he's got to be, like, the characters, they invented, he looked like he was, you know, fencing him in a sword fight once. Yeah, like, you know what I mean? Why would you see? No? I don't know who they were. Because they do this, again, White Tiger, it's, you know,

CC2. But it's that was actually seeing him in, like, an actual fight scene. Right. If they'd introduce swordsmen just out of the alley somewhere. It's like, yeah, it's always like on a phone or on some like hide a corner. Just actually seeing him bite somebody to see him makes him look cool. It doesn't matter. I think it's indicative of why they've had a problem with Blade,

why they might be a little bit nervous with Thunderbolts and any single time. Even Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness where it's like the MCU survived for so long in this quirky. Whedon-esque, everything is a joke, everything is meta-type place. And they've never, to me, been successful at the darkness of it. Even some of the fight scenes with Daredevil, I'm like, all right, I get it. He broke this man's leg in half, but I'm like, I've seen worse shit in the previous Daredevil.

You know what I mean? I do think that there is this, there is this tension, I feel like, with the Disney of it all, where they never want to commit to a darker show. You did it of it all. Fuck it. He says, fuck it. I'm just black. Yeah, I mean, look, look, I get it.

Either they, at Charles, I'll say this, and this is the scary part. I love these episodes. Love them. Love them. We've talked about how much I love them. Either they don't want to commit to it or they don't know how to do it.

Which one do you think it is? I don't know. I think it's a commitment. I think it's a commitment. By the way, by the time we got to the end, I think the show, if I'm being, if I'm looking at my, I think the show will be darker going forward. Let me tell you why. Like second season? No.

Even these episodes. From these episodes on. Because I think even the decision to have Daredevil or Matt Murdoch be a creature of the day. Because remember, like we talked about, the other show is so night. Yeah. It's night because we're a lot of the times we're with the devil of hell's kitchen and daredevil and all that stuff. But we're creatures of the day in this show. We're seeing a lot of it is very brightly lit.

Like, it's all of that stuff that's like, oh, he's born again. By the time we get to muse at the end, the show is nocturnal again. And if Daredevil is a bigger part of the show, then we're going to see the show take on a little bit of a darker tone and we'll be able to litigate in these next. three episodes, whether or not they're able to do it. It was hard to judge it from before, at least for me, whether or not they weren't committing to it or whether or not they weren't able to do it because it didn't seem to be a part of their narrative. So I'll be able to better say that after these next couple.

Do you think that they have a handle on even how to, like, not just shoot Daredevil, but to shoot the other superheroes? Because it almost seems like maybe they had filmed more and they cut it. Because, like, a lot of the superhero shit to me just hasn't looked good. What I mean by that is even like how Matt moves in the suit. Like I think it looked really good when he's finally fighting news because it's a little lower lit. You're not seeing it doesn't look as cheesy. But when they try to do it during the day or when you're seeing too much of it, I'm like, you guys don't swing it.

It's iffy, yeah. When he's swinging, when it's like the swordsman, when it's white tiger, I'm like, I feel like you guys are afraid to show the footage of this. Like you were like creatively we're doing it in the day to your point. Oh, this is the morning. This is daytime. And they don't, cell phone. Like the cinematography hasn't been good enough to land that plane on the superhero. Well, maybe, and this is, they're going to be mad at every talking about this.

But maybe this is part of the, like, the reshoot stuff where look at the footage, you're like, ah, that's not really hidden. And maybe you can't bring these people back. And so you just kind of zoom out and you're like, look, it's on the phone. That's why it looks like this. It's on the CCTV. That's why it looks like this, right? Instead of actually showing that kind of stuff and then have it. looking bad. I rather you have rather

have it look bad for like 15, 30 seconds than like a whole three minute fights scene, you know? And so hopefully we get more of that stuff or better stuff in season two because, yeah, I would like to your point, see swordsmen actually doing swordsman stuff and see White Tiger

do white tiger stuff so that we understand oh, these are who these people are. They're not just guys poking each other with sticks. They actually got hands. I mean, because they're capable of it. I feel like Falcon and the winter soldier. Look, it's great. Like, looks, like, if we're being in terms of just like how Falcon and the Winter Soldier was shot. Oh.

Who is it? Patrick Stewart Professor Xavier. Wow. Wow. Wow. You don't like it. You like it. You like it.

What are you going to do? What do you want? McAvoy? You don't want Xavier? What if McAvoy is the next one? What if McAvoy is the next one? Like, you don't want MacaVo? What do you want?

What do you want? Why the face? Why the face? Because it's, dog. Don't give me the tip. give me the whole shaft. Stop with the fucking X-Men. Oh,

wow. He went full-throat with that one. You got to let his slot. Here's the thing. Every single, every single MCU shit that we've gotten has a sprinkle of X-Men shit

because they don't want to actually commit to a, like, a vision. They're just like, here's some X-Men shit that you love. I mean, that's probably coming after Secret Wars. Yeah, but still, I'm like, so here's a question. That's an interesting thought,

because I was thinking about this this morning. And you kind of, I mean, you guys talked about the whole Jonathan Major's thing and how the Kang thing didn't really work out. And so you pivot quickly to Doomsday so we can get to Secret Wars so we can get to the X-Men, right? They said after this multivorces and stuff, get to X-Men. Would you rather them have do this, what they're doing right now,

or continue, like, to, because we can argue that, like, man, Tuesday's coming up really quick, right? Would you rather have given the time to make Doomsday mean something in terms of like giving the Fantasy 4 a sequel or having them develop the character of Doom more. So it means something when he shows up in Doomstay. It means something when he shows up at Secret Wars. All these characters are not just thrown to the wolves in these movies. When we see them, we're like, we've had time to develop them.

Or we're just like, give me to X-Men right now. Give me the X-Men by 2030. I would always be in favor of them because I think there. This is what made the MCU successful in the first place is that they made the MCU feel like a world where all of these characters have relationships with each other, even when they're in a solo movie or somebody shows up. I'm like, oh, they know each other. They're building towards something. It feels like recently nothing is working, so they're just throwing a bunch of shit at the wall to see what sticks. That's why I'm not really interested in Robert Downey Jr. in Stum.

that's why when a lot of this X-Men shit happens, it's like, I remember when we were doing Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and they're just like Madrepoor. Or it was like Miss Marvel, they're like, hey, they played the mutant theme song. Or like Professor X like just rolls out in the middle of multiverse of Madism. Like, I'm Professor X, I'm here. But it's more of like our minds would reel, but like, what does this mean?

What does this mean? What does this mean? And I'm like, it doesn't mean anything? Well, okay. Specifically to Xavier. Patrick Stewart's Xavier being in this movie, you almost have to. You almost have to, right?

I mean, if Kelsey Grammar's Beasts is in the movie, then you know the era of X-Men that you're talking about. Right. Either you've got to lock this guy's head off. You have to explain where these people are and what they're doing. We already know that they exist. We saw them in the other. So you have to integrate them or pull them out of whatever you're doing.

I think it's, I don't have a problem with it. Xavier being in the movie. I'm just interested in what they are going to do with Xavier in the movie. So, has at this point, has any of the X-Men integration so far, especially of the

Fox stuff, blowing your socks away or worth? Because when I look at a lot of it, to me, I'm like, oh, that was cute, or I'm like, oh, okay, cool. None of it to me, story-wise, has meant anything to me. Bees showing up at the end of Marvels. Half the time I forgot that

that should even happen. Like a lot of the teasing stuff that they've showed, even most of Deadpool and Wolverine, I'm like... But what's your point saying that, though? Why am I supposed to get excited that Kelsey Graham or Patrick Stewart? I'm just like...

It's not about me getting excited, but you can't... It's one thing to be excited, but like, there's nothing to be disappointed that they're showing up. For story purposes, if they are going to... These characters have already shown up,

and for whatever they're going to do with the X-Men, they have to either, like, put these characters in a re-hybernation incubation chamber. Hey, Xavier, look, it's this pill that shield made. You could be 70 years younger and take that bitch. And then he turned to James McAvoy.

But they have to explain to us. They have to finally give us, we thought that we got it and it was actually perfect. But they have to explain to us the demise of this Xavier or the demise of this beast. They have to make room for the new iterations of these guys. I mean, the, the Secret Wars Battleworld storyline is, you know, you take a whole bunch of universes and you throw them together. Because Dr. Do, at least in 2020, in 2015, Secret Wars, all these universes come together. You have Battleworld. And then you create a new universe, right?

And so you can imagine with the end of the Marvels, right, with, what's her name? Photon, right? Spectre? Yeah, whatever her name was. She was Inspector? Spectrum? No, Spectrum. There it is.

Oh, yeah. But she was in... That made me think of the Lakers. Really? Oh, Spectrum SportsName. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Whatever her character's name is.

She got trapped into the world and you saw these at the end, right? And so I assume just extrapolating from what they've laid out is that at some point, Dr. Doom is trying to do some crazy world-ending stuff, and it's going to involve different multiverse's colliding. Then we get Tinker Wars or Battleworld. and then we get a whole new universe with the X-Men. But not these X-Men. Not these X-Men.

Not these guys, but with new ones. So they got to show up to die. I'm just asking and advocating for, you got to shit or get off the pot. Just no more just like they're showing up for a cameo and then they're going. Oh, they're not going to be in this movie very long. I don't think so.

I don't think Patrick Stewart's Xavier is going to be here from too. There's a billion people on this movie. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they may be, I have no clue. like I've avoided whatever I have like I have no clue but I wouldn't imagine maybe they are maybe they are in the whole movie maybe he's what if the next name up is James Marston we want to do we want to

we can literally end the podcast right now do we want to stay around for one more name say remember for one more name who do you think who do you think we're going to actually be seeing in here Chris I think it's easy to say Chris Evans is there Ryan Reynolds is there if Chris Evans is if Chris Evans is announced he'll be the last name that they announced. Probably.

Chris Evans is 100%. I don't know what my plus minus is. How would you, how would you do that? How would you manage to bring that together? Because, I mean, I guess he's on the moon and he's old, but then you could just put him in the- If they actually do that plot line,

I think I might be actually annoyed. Yeah, right? Yeah. You know, so, I mean, it'd be, who's the craziest name you think that they could pull out the hat? A recast. A recast.

A recast. A recast. It's a chally. Yeah. That would be the craziest one. Because, but the craziest thing is when they announced that, are we even going to, I guess we would have to know. Because if they say, fucking damson and injures, we're going to be like,

ah, that's the child. Yeah. Aldousage. All this is haj. You know? Honestly, this wouldn't be crazy, but if they're like, hey, Mahershawah. That would be crazy. If they were in that, that actually would be enough.

What if they don't put Mahershala, but they put Kit Harrington? Like, yo. Kid Haram of Black Knight coming in this? Black Day. Can it also be real? there have been so many characters that they've introduced in these phases that we just

Harry Styles was supposed to be in this bitch we have not her one word You think Harry Charles going to be in this? If they We haven't seen any Eternals. No Eternals. No. We haven't. Has there been an Eternals? Nope. Nope. We haven't seen

any Eternals in this. I mean Tell's probably on the first round of cuts, bro. That's probably like you brought the whole team. That makes me bummed out a little bit. Again, I like the movie. What a turn. What a Turnal's were you dying to see in this movie? I mean, I wasn't necessarily dying to see him,

but like it, you would have thought that there would have been some carryover. Yeah, and it would have just like throw it away. Yeah, Jimmachan probably. You can't get Jima Chan spot minutes. You got at the end of the bench. I think, yeah, and I feel like,

for what she wants probably to be in this movie, they like, McCarrey can't get no burn. What if they just did bring Sprite in? Sprite was cool. Sprite. Sprite was not cool. Sprite was not cool.

Sprite was not the worst. Don't do that. No. Don't do that. Don't set her up like that. They got James Marzen to come back at Cyclops. I'd actually be crazy.

He's probably going to be in the movie. You don't think so? I mean, if I had to pick, I bring everybody back. Hallie Barry with the bad accent. Famkee Jensen. Everybody. Famke.

See, if I'm advocating. Jessica Alba. I call her. She was. All right. It's not even like that. It's just if they put, they put the OG Mr. Fantastic,

Jessica Alba. If Chris Evans comes back, It is why you're not writing the movie. And they put, brother, if it was up to me, they'd be the home. We just, we just make. If it was like he'll be up in this bitch. Yeah, first of all, you're actually like he wrote the electric state. He could probably do a pretty good job.

Let me tell you something right now. If the chair pan over and it's Chloe Bennett or it's Clark Gregg, I'm going to go crazy. Can I wait? Clark Greg would be interesting. All right. So, we got to ask a question, though. After the disaster that was electric state, if you would know, if you would know, a foggy chair, are you like?

I'm on set every day. We might have to get some more. I definitely, there would have been some calls. Yeah. No, no, no, you're absolutely right. I'm serious. There would have been some calls. It'd have been like, you know,

y'all niggas, I? It's going on over here. Because that's Marcus McPhil. That's the whole creative team, right? So I'm like, there'd have been some calls. It'd have been like, at least there would have been a call to like, okay, well, what went wrong here? What's the vibe check?

Like, like, what's the thing? Also, I'm nervous for them. filming both of these movies, if I'm being honest. Why? To get one of these movies right is very, very difficult, and they haven't made,

have they made a good movie since. They have not. No, but they've never missed with Marvel, though, is the proving ground being that, like, they work well within the Marvel machine.

They've like literally, they have worked the best. And that's true, but then I would say, nothing has really worked at Marvel in years. So it's like, is the Marvel machine,

that created Infinity War and endgame still tight enough in a round where it's like a bunch of those maybe but it's like you know it's to use another sports metaphor it's like when a DC or like Wade Phillips as a

as a DC excellent right his head coaching records a little spotty but Wade Phillips the defensive coordinator oh my God what he was in with that Rams defense is crazy Steve Spagnola right Dennis Allen these guys

The right people and the right combination can give you something. Yeah, like maybe with too much. I mean, because when they're doing their stuff with Agbo and they are like the directors, the end all see all, and it's a little spotty. Bring Kevin Faggy back, maybe tamps down a little bit of that stuff. He might have to be there. He might have to be like, you know, the hovering mom. Like, he might have to like just be like, hey, man, y'all good?

Check in, like, you know, instead of checking in every two weeks, checking in every day. You know what I mean? You might have to be a little bit of the police. But you bring them down a little bit. have Anthony your OC, Joe Russo, your D.C., your head coach Kevin Faggy. It's worked before. It's seen it. I can think of really critically acclaimed directors whose movies haven't been as tight or as good

since one of their main producers was outed and exposed and jailed as one of the worst monsters in the history of this entire town. And the reality is, even though that person is one of the worst monsters, and worse people in the history of this town, this one specific director that they worked with, their films were better when they collaborated together. So certain times, it's not just the one thing, it's not just the other thing, it's the two things.

That could be the case with the Rousseau's, or the Rousseau's might be cooked. What you're saying is not out of the question. No, I don't know. I'm not saying that they can't make a good movie. I'm just saying it's... You hope that under the system, they can make it happen, but you're scared, it might be over the hill.

They might be cooked. I think the Marvel system is not what it once was. I mean, yeah, you can't fucking argue that. Yeah, that's not. You know, so I don't know if they, I don't even know, and this is, Fagie is a legend. Like, he's minted. Figigy might be a little bit like

You think Faggy might be cooked I think Faggy might have just been in been in this too long and might not have the touch that he wants that. I think it's after these two then we really start to look at what the 10 I mean yeah then you have Faggy looks like

nah, no, no, he's still one of the legacies. All right there's no no no no we're not the legacy there but it's like we're not deducting legacy points after that after Oh oh Ian McKellen Yeah man

Oh yeah we're going to go Oh wow Damn Kevin Figey's only 51 Are you fucking kidding me? No, he was cooking. How old was he in 2008? Wait, wait. Wait, hold on for a second,

Jesus Christ. I'm about to knock all of these fucking cameras over. I'm sitting here, this Nick, I'm on a podcast. This motherfucker is 50, Kevin Feige is only 51 years old. Yeah.

Are you fucking nuts? No, he's on, it's an unprecedented success story. This Nick is supposed to be 67 years old, right? I thought he was, I thought he was at least 58 or 59. You haven't looked that old?

I'm sitting here talking to you, motherfucker. This, like, what? You're not like you're running a daycare center over here. No, no, no, no. I'm not talking about you guys.

I'm talking about the fact that... I get on, I get on a lot of... I see he talking about it. What do he said, fuck me for? What he said for? He's only 51. Yeah. My point is, I look to see,

he ain't supposed to be cooked just. He's supposed to be just... You know, he's going to just fine. No, no, no, no. He'll move over to Star Wars. He'll do something like... No, he'll be fine. He'd be better served over at Star Wars.

I think we need some new blood. You think you need... So you would want to see him at Star Wars. I think he could be refreshed. I think he could, I think if he went somewhere else with just that needs kind of, you want to know what it is. I think Fagie might be really, really good at building something. I think sustaining it through its latter stage might be a different skill set. Well, he was there for 2008 to 2019.

Nearly 20 years. Trying to keep something going that is. very long in the tooth is different than being like, hey, I'm the type of producers that can be like, all right, we're going to build towards endgame. I just think, to be honest with you, it's, and maybe this might be the fanboy in me, it's very difficult to besmirch Kevin Feigy and his reputation.

Oh, no, yeah. No, I'm not, I'm not smirsch. Kevin Feudgy. I'm not saying that you are. I'm really not saying that you are. I'm saying that, like, he, the, the, the, the, the, has been the most successful filmmaking

experiment almost ever. Now, there's been a lot of cultural changes. There's been a lot of cultural changes that have happened in the last five to six years and also some things that no one could have seen. And we have yet to see

if the MCU can make changes or adjust with all of that happening at the same time. Yeah. And that we don't know. That we don't know. But I think his ability to grow and sustain has pretty much been proven. I mean, even before the MCU, yeah, I think it's pretty much been proven.

I think, yeah. With the last 10 years? I mean, if you go to the last, look, the last 10 years, that's a 2000. Yeah, that goes back to 15. You're talking about since 2020. So I'll put it to you this way. A lot of the moves Feige and Colvin making are moves that worked in those early phases

phases of Marvel. And I think a lot of those moves, I'm like, I don't know if they're going to work in 2025. I disagree. I think they took their foot off the gas, right? You go after end game and you're like, look, man, we did. We did it, guys. We up 45 in the third quarter, man.

We're going to keep it pushing. You know what I'm saying? We're not going to run the same offense. They're not running the same defense. And now you look up and you only up 15. Well, I would contrast that they actually might have put their foot on the gas too much. Too much. They were like, we got Eternals.

All these movies. We got fucking a Black Widow movie. We could get y'all to watch anything. And people were like, yeah. I mean, that was part of it. The part of it was like they went, okay, Black Widow movie coming and I was like, why? She's dead.

And then I was like, well, you know what, though? That could be cool. If they say that it needs to happen, then it needs to happen. And then I watched it and didn't need to happen. But I'll say this. I do think that the Black Widow movie is a movie that we're going to look back on

as being a more important movie in the MCU than we quite remember. Because a lot of the characters from that movie are enduring. Yelena Belova is enduring. Red Guardian is enduring. And that thread, that world is leading into stuff like Thunderbolts

and all of that stuff. You don't have, but none of them characters have a hate. None of them were heads. Yelena Belova was definitely a head. Yeah. The character was a hit. Character works. The character works.

I think there's a difference between the character working. Well, we'll see if Thunderbirds. And Thunderbolts, like, here's the thing, Hawkeye, Hawkeye didn't hit. Thunderbolts. Hawkeye didn't hit? Hawkeye did.

Hawkeye did. Hawkeye did. Hawkeye did. Hawkeye did. Hawkeye did. As a hit? Yeah, Charles. Yeah, that was successful.

People liked it. People liked it. Yes. Don't do that. No, there's the difference between people liking it. People liked it. And it'd be, no, no, no. Wanda Vision is a hit.

Loki is a hit We call it Hawkeye hit There's different versions of hits Those were smash crazy hits Those were home runs Hawkeye was a double Hocki was a solid double You take that

Hawkeye was a double Hawkeye was a double That's a pass What's a guy hit? What's right? Like come on We capping on this shit Bro

How are we having? How are we capping? It's a deal. Say Hawkeye's a doubles cabin? I said None of them Black Widow characters

have been in a hit Hawkeyes is a hit. Hawkeyes a hit. It did give us the quarter flipping, but it was a hit. The Hawkeye was a hit. All right. Like Hawkeye. All right.

Hawkeye was a hit, okay? It did introduce Wilson Fiscole's cell phone, but like, Hawkeye, it wasn't perfect. What's the thing with cell phones? What's going on? I don't know. It wasn't perfect. What do you think Hawkeye has on Rotten Tomatoes?

I'd say mid-80s. What do you think? I'm a lie. I say like a 96. Probably 90s. 92%. God. All right.

Again, why we go look at that. It's a good show. Why don't we go. Don't look at them numbers. That's why they don't want to release them. It's a good show, man. I think Hawkeye was, I think Hawkeye was, I think Hawkeye it hit. And then at the same time, I think Elena Belova being in Hawkeye really worked as well.

I think Hawkeye. Oh, yeah. There's no way we're not seeing him, she's one of the rare characters that they've introduced where I'm just like, this is great. This is perfect. I'm just saying, Hawkeye was definitely the beginning of me being like, this was supposed to be a layup. Really? It was coming off a...

That Hawkeye run with Matt Fraction, David AHA. Like, that shit would... I thought it was supposed to be like this. Like, I thought they probably were like, this is going to be our Netflix's dared out. Oh, my God. Did you see he just did a... What did you think Hawkeye was supposed to be like, Charles?

I think... Do what you just did again, Elon? Now you're Elon. You see what you just did? Yeah, whoa. Whoa, Chuck. That was something else. We're living in crazy times.

All right. Can we wrap it up? Y'all cap it on this. That was the C. Holmes. Get out of here. Get us out of here, fans. Do we want to stay around for one more announcement or not? I mean, we can fan for 10 more minutes, right?

10 more minute. Is it 10 more? I think, no, because the last one they announced was, Amy McKellar and that was like what, like maybe like four, five. Like, they tweeted it out four minutes. No, we got to go. We got to go. That is a wrap.

We're going to. I guess maybe talk about some of the other ones when we can. I don't know. But how many more announcements do they have? We don't know. This might just go on all day. It's going on all day. Oh, yeah, yeah.

When we just come back at 5 o'clock and you just like lock in, you know what I mean? That's not going to happen. But keep your eye on it because we might do something, a quick video on it or something in the next couple of days. We'll see what's going on. Or if we don't have it all, you know who will have it all? House Mall and Joe. Mal and Joe will have it. So you guys can tune in to Mal and Joe,

and they'll kind of fill in the gaps, fill in the seams. You don't fill in seams. You don't fill in seams. Seams hold things together. Seams or stitch. Stitch the seams. So then what I would, they would stitch the seams?

Yes. Wait, what do they do with concrete, though? You fill in the seams of concrete, though? Yeah. And they fill in, they fill it in, they pour it. Pour in the cracks. We pour in the cracks. We pour in the cracks.

We pour in the cracks. They'll pour in the cracks. Free us, please. This week on the rig reverse feed, actually, hold on. More stuff. Tomorrow, House of R returns with their Daredevil deep dives. Also, once again, we're expecting, I don't want to put this on them. But if there are other revelations from the announcement of the Doomsday Caste,

you would expect maybe that they would happen. They don't have to do it. You will be hearing from us. The ladies don't have to do it, but we will at some point give you guys. our thoughts before the end of the week, hopefully in some iteration, our thoughts on the casting of Avengers Doomsday.

A Monday, Ring averse recommends returns. I already know what I'm doing. And I'm not going to let fucking Steve talk me out of it. Great. Okay. I'm not going to let Steve talk me out of it? Steve, y'all are broke all, man. Steve can fuck it and suck it.

Jesus, Christ. All right. Our producers, Chahal Todd. Tett? Chai. Gahau. Gahau.

Oh, oh. I didn't know that that was Gahau back then. See, I knew this would happen. I knew that that was Gahal back there. I knew this would happen. I knew this. I'm sorry, Gahawai. I just read it.

I didn't know that that was Gahau. I'm sorry, Gahau. I apologize. I didn't know that that was good. I didn't know what was good. I thought that was somebody new. Our producers are Gahalahal, Alianz and theirs. Jonathan Kerma Jami.

a dinner on hashtag Jomi Survives Thunderbolts on social. Oh wow. Jomi, you're gonna make it? I'm gonna make it guys. You're gonna make it. You're gonna make you. And additional production from Arjuna Ramgapal. Chuck take us out. I'm more interested in this one than I've been interested in one in a long time. There's a lot of meat on the boat. A lot of meat on the boat? A lot of stuff on the podcast.

Daredevil has returned. These chairs fucking suck. All hail our new leader, Steve on awesome Bih-hoo