The Ringer-Verse - BEST Movies and TV of 2024: Midnight Mulligans | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: December 27, 2024

The Boys delve into all of the content from 2024 and give you their Midnight Mulligans rankings. Movies: 'Kraven The Hunter' (10:31) 'Madame Web' (14:52) 'Joker: Folie à Deux' (16:04) 'Godzilla vs. Kong' (18:00) 'Venom: The Last Dance' (19:36) 'Gladiator II' (21:56) 'Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga' (27:43) 'Deadpool & Wolverine' (35:38) 'Monkey Man' (49:08) 'Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes' (1:10:51) 'Dune: Part II' (1:12:17) TV Shows: Netflix’s 'Avatar: The Last Airbender' (1:18:37) 'The Acolyte' (1:20:04) 'Echo' (1:24:57) 'The Boys' Season 4 (1:28:00) 'Invincible' Season 2 (1:29:13) 'Agatha All Along' (1:31:25) 'The Penguin' (1:34:14) 'House of the Dragon' Season 2 (1:37:22) 'X-Men ’97' (1:41:51) 'Shogun' (1:46:11) Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris, Jonathan Kermah, and Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This is of course the Ringers Nexus podcast feed for all things, fandom. We are back from vacation. Not vacation. Back from being away. Steve, the architect for Alman, the builder and tinker of things.

We are Jomi, the explainer, a dinner on. You've got questions. He's got answers. We are old man van. He of the receding resurgent, hairline news is... Oh? We're in a bad state now.

Oh, my God. Oh, this is the recession before the resurgence. So we're at the state where it's falling completely out like before. But that's supposed to happen, right? Is that supposed to happen? Does it look worse than before? Yes. Okay.

Because the hairline is down, but because he was pushing the shit back. And so, yeah. You got like a Stephen A. Smith situation going on right now? He looks much bad than me. Goat baby chuck, 24-carry closure, aka the Brunch holiday. Together we are known as, I thought midnight, boys. Okay, before we move on, I want to say something. Two things.

One, shout out to Kerm for sitting in. People were fucking with Kerm. Yeah. Shout out to the Midnight Collective. Alaya, S.O.B. Zanares. Kerm. A Juneer right now, honeymoon. Yeah.

Shout out. Hope Arjun is having a wonderful time. Yes. I hope so, too. Oh, daddy. Oh, God. Oh, Jesus, Christ. Shout to Kerm.

And I apologize because. Because when Kerm was talking, Kalika made me leave the nerve gun at home. Good. She said that the nerve gun, okay. She said that the nerve gun was getting Kerm shot a little bit too much. So Kerm, I apologize. But that was fun. That was a fun episode.

People are all up in arms. Charles got the whole town talking. Oh, my God. What? Yeah. What I do now? Get to it. Charles got the whole town talking about your, your, your,

your Dark Night Rises takes. Here's the thing. There was a lot more people that there, they're, Dark Night Rises fans. We're out there. Yeah, it's a whole hive. We've been silent for too long. There are also people confusing it for Dark Night.

Yes. Also, can I just say this. I can tell him getting old and washed now because now that I just retweeted that, my algorithm is like, Youngen's being like, the Dark Night actually fucking sucks. And I'm like, oh. The Dark Night. No, they're saying the second.

The second one. The dark night. Like I've seen there's a new. Heath Ledger. Yeah. There's a contingent of younger kids who are just like, we have the Batman. Fuck the dark man. Yeah.

All right. You know what? It's funny. I love the Dark Night so much. Mm-hmm. But sometimes when I watch the movie back, I could look at it and see how somebody could not be entertained by it. I don't know. Do you think it's getting to the Michael Keaton zone where a lot of people who, like younger people who might have grown up with like,

Christian Bale and Dark Night and everything the eight like that version of Batman seems old to you and it was really for its time and the superhero movie has changed so much now that when you go back and you look at the dark

night now I think it's a perfect movie but like it was really for its time it's also even even in the Nolan time like it was really for its time because like I'll show people inception and they've been like they don't fuck with it. What?

Crazy. That's nuts. That was like the hottest movie that entire year. If I'm honestly going to be, this is going to sound so mean too. I do think like just as a movie going public, we've gotten dumber in terms of just like. I think that's probably true. Like those are movies when you go back to like inception, like whether you like it or not, it's a movie. It looks like a movie.

The plot is there, everything. And I think people want that shit faster, more Netflix-y, more just. It's also that people like to really try to chase the brass ring of like, the allure and bigness that is a Christopher Nolan blockbuster that capped off with like Inception and the Dark Night. And then like the whole Super Heroes genre now, like inducting with the Snyderverse is like, okay, let's see how we can just ratchet up those stakes

to make it look like a Nolan movie. I don't know, man. I don't think that's it. I think he made his movie with a very, it was very deliberate. Oh, no, for sure. There's almost a small, I mean, the Dark Night is a big movie.

but it's almost a small movie in a way too. Like it, the world isn't at stake. Like, all of that stuff. I just think people, people don't know that that's actually what they want. Yeah, no, it is. But it, like, I'm not surprised at that, at that tape. Also, it's, I think it was a thing

where you had to be there to see what Heath Ledger's Joker did at the time. Because it's like, nobody knew. Worrying a place where it's been like almost too down. decades of people taking these movies seriously. And when the Dark Night arrives, it was like, oh, you can have this type of performance in a superhero movie. I think people are taking for granted that it went off like a fucking bomb. Yeah, that was crazy.

And there are some people who said that the Dark Night Rise is actually Thor, Love and Thundered. All right. That's, no. Come on. No. No. All right, man. That's it.

No. Follows on socials, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, save Jomey's job. I think it's pretty secure now. Jomi, what's going on on social? TikTok is done. TikTok's cooked? Well, allegedly it's cooked. Yeah.

I think it will be cooked. You know what I'm saying? We've still got a couple weeks. We've been saying this all year. That's what I'm saying, right? We've been saying this all years. But it's coming. It's got a date.

Until it's gone, then it's still here. And we'll continue to operate as it is still here until one day that it is not. So you like TikTok. I don't mind it. So let me ask you this. You like TikTok. If Trump were to save TikTok, would you give him credit for it. Uh, no.

Is there anything that Trump could do for you, Jomey, where you would give him credit for? Fuck that, nigga. How about that? There we go. Really quick, though, out of the four of us, if any of us was a secret undercover agent for an overseas government, who would it be? Out of the before Midnight Boys.

Over, undersea, see, it would be Arjuna. And that's, and so it, okay, that's, that's the exact not answer. Why? Why? You got to keep it to the four of us. Yeah. But see, I don't really see it. He's not even here to defend himself.

I don't see it being really the four of us of anyone. I don't see you guys. Y'all even, to be honest with you, I don't even feel like we even got it like that to be. I think Jomey's a Nigerian asset. He's a secret agent. Okay. All right. All right, man.

We can't. That's crazy. I tried to move on and make it on Juna. Hey, I tried to move on and make a junior. What do you mean by this team? A Nigerian. Nigeria. Let up explain.

Let up explain. Nigerian 007. What does that mean? I just, you're, you're, you're, you're infiltrating all of the highest, like, echelons of American media. Yes. So that you can get all these, this like dirt on other people and then you bring it back to the government and be like, this is the... Yeah, we're definitely safe Jomi's job now.

Bill's like, get in my head. What they're gonna do with it in Nigeria? He's got d'i. Playing the drums, man. That's crazy. What they're going to do with it in Nigeria. We're on YouTube. Like, comment, subscribe, share.

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Also next week, Min Edition is back with Jess Clemens. To talk about the things they missed in 2024. On today's show, we're giving you our best movies and television shows of 2025, a.k.a. midnight mulligans. So we're going to go back and go over this stuff and make sure that we gave the right scores. We're re-ranking everything. We're re-ranking everything.

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Explore what's possible. Ask your doctor about Tramphia today. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Tramphiatoradio.com. That came out this year. Chuck, take it away. All right. Midnight Mulligans, guys, I believe,

is this the third or the fourth annual midnight mulligans? I think the fourth. Fourth, really? I don't know. I want to say it's the third. It's got to be the third, because we started in 2020. and then, I know we did one last year.

Did we do one the year? Did we do one the first year, though? I don't think so, because I don't think we covered it off. This is the third. Wait, wait, wait, Midnight Mulligan's was actually inspired by my re-ranking of the Matrix. Resurrection. Oh, yes. Which we will have our annual van reassesses the Matrix Resurations at the end of the show.

So here's the thing. If people are wondering what this is, we have the midnight meter, one to 10, normal one to 10 ranking, 11, 12. reserve for absolute game changers. And now it has become an annual tradition at the end of the year. We open up the midnight meter and we are allowed to re-rank anything that we covered this year. So how we're going to do this year. First, we're going to go through movies.

Then we're going to go from TV. We're going to start from lowest average score to the highest. And we're going to actually see what the midnight meter says are the best movies and TV shows of this year. Got it. Now, before we start, there's not really any rules, except you can re-rank anything or you can keep it just the same. Now, are there any new things that we want to add to Midnight Mulligans before we start or are we feeling like we're good to go? I think I'm...

Sounds good to go. I think we're good to go. Real quick, just real quick. Is that old girl from Spider-Man? Yes, that is her, but she has a fiancé. This is all PR. Okay, anyway, go ahead. Shemeek Moore.

Oh, yeah, that's P.R. That's P.R. She got a fiancé. That's P.R. Update on a crashout corner. Yeah, he had to show some face. I respect to. No, yeah, okay.

What was your question? No, do we want to add anything new to midnight Mulligans before we start? No good. No half scores, no nothing. Oh, no half scores. All right, now. We don't do that. Before we get to our official first pick,

I put Craven in here. Okay. We're going to talk Craven with a house of our tomorrow. But we're pre-tapping this. Let's get our scores for Craven out there. Okay. Then, let's start.

One to 12. So I have a problem with Craven, which is, okay, so this is my problem with Craven. We'll talk about it tomorrow. I'm going to go deeper into, because all I really have are questions about Craven. Just a lot of questions.

Just so many questions about them. Did you have fun while you were in the theater? Yeah. It's a fun time. Bad movie. So I really have a problem scoring it. Like some of the things that happen are so baffling that I don't know. But for the most part, I kind of was fucking with Craven from the standpoint of cool shit was on the screen.

I can't, can't give it more than a five. I can't. That's even hot. Are you giving it a five? A five. is high. I'm giving it a five. Okay.

I can't give it more than a five. But here's the thing, though. If I go to a movie and, like, I'll leave the movie like, okay, I have fun. Then that's kind of... You know what, like, actually, this is good. Let's table set this because our, right now, our worst rated movie, Midnight Meter, is Madam Webb. Van, you gave it a two. The rest of us gave it a one.

So you're saying that Craven is a five compared to that. Yes, because, because Madam Webb, ended up becoming some kind of weird descent into madness. Craven at least had cool action. That is true. There were a couple times. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Craven at least had cool action.

And DeVos... Like, I don't know what the fuck is going on with that. We're going to talk about it tomorrow. But I'm going to give Craven a five. I'm going to give Craven a five. All right, so here's it thing. Craven. Steve, you were not there.

Jomee, Alea, Kirm, Mal, Arjuna, we were all there. Had a blast. We were laughing the entire time. It is not worse than Madam Warren. web, which I gave a one. So I have to give craving it to. Okay. But it was fun.

It has to. I mean, what's the movie fun or do we create our own fun in the movie? You know what I mean? Well, I literally was the only person in the theater in Miami when I saw it. Like, literally, there was one person in the theater and it was me. Tough. Like, literally. That's pretty great.

And so. Private screen it. And I, I, I had fun. I, like, I, I, the movie was, the movie went from what the fuck to, oh, okay, well, shit is. Rhino was that guy was He was cooking He was cooking

He was cooking He was cooking He was cooking He was kind of He was cool too. Also Aaron Taylor Johnson When he was running All four is hilarious

That was really funny I got to go with it too man That was not moving me At all But to your credit Like it was There was some fun

But I think we created Most of the fun I'll give that a three Because again Like The lunacy of what was happening Kind of entertain me In a weird way

That like It's not as like Wholesome is like genuinely like well-spirited as a venom movie, which I think is probably the better of all of those Sony Spider-Man outings. But this is just like insane enough, while still pretty bad,

to be a little redemptively entertaining. Was the character of the foreigner cool? No. No. I thought he was cool. No, he was the worst. No. No.

I thought he was cool. I thought he was cool. Can I just say that I'm kind of like a chameleon like six times? It's Craving with a cat. Yeah, I kind of, I, bro, so much of that stuff is like, Russell Crowe took the movie weirdly seriously. Yes. Serious is a heart attack.

He was in it. He was locked all the way in. We'll talk about it tomorrow. I want to get into it too much. There is a version of Craven that's actually like a really good movie. No, I agree with you. I could see where you could think this movie's gas if it actually was played straight. It reminded me of the superhero movies that we used to get before the MCU.

Yeah, like the 90s stuff. But like, you're like, ah. Adolph Lundrons, the Punisher. Yeah. My favorite part of the movie is when they would go to white shots and have people talking. Because they had obviously had to 80. Oh, I got it. The 80s.

Not as bad. All right. So for Craven, we have a 5-2-3. Now we're going to number 10 on our list. Worst movie Midnight Meter. Madam Webb. Then, you gave it a two. All of us gave it a one.

The average score was a 1.25. then are you changing your Madam Webb score? No, I'm keeping it in a two. Okay. Keeping Maddweb of two, easy. Not going to go into it too much. Easy keep at one. Easy keep at one.

I'm moving this up to a two. Okay. Because I had actually, like, because there was like a, we had like, I remember in like the middle of the year when this hit streaming, my friends had a,

wanted to have a watch party where we just got drunk and watched Madam Webb. And we had a good time. And it was like, it becomes this thing where if you want to just like surrender yourself to the madness and like not really pay attention but like when they do the

like i'll be back for a week and then she just fucks off to the amazon for one week and they're like what the fuck is going on with this movie and that she has the weird pregnancy dream like that's goofy and we had a nice night out with your friends not out we were inside in with your friends and that's the reason you're bumping it up the score yes because i had one fun night with my friends at the cost of that movie wow that is a two it is a two then i'm keeping it a one So the only person to change it is Steve. So now we have what? We have two twos, two ones,

Joker number nine. Van, you gave it a-actually both Van and I gave it a four, and the Mint Boys gave it a two. Sorry, Van, you and I, are we going to bump this up from a four? No. Are you going to bump it down? I thought about it, bro.

Please. I thought about it. I can't. Please come down here with us. I think I'm going to bump it down to a three. You are? I'm going to keep it out of four, I think. Okay.

Yeah, I thought about it, though. I thought about going down. But when I look at it, it's not a movie I should have watched again. No. And yet you did? Yeah, I did. Oh, wow. Because somebody wanted to see it.

We want to see it. Colleguant to see it. So I'll, but it, watching it again enraged me, but the movie didn't really change in quality. So I'm going to keep it out of four. All right, men, boys? What I put it out of one? No, you put it in two.

It's a one. It's a one. You're bumping it down to it. Amazing. All right, well, Joker, all you do is better is better than Madam Webb. Oh, they're the same way for me.

Like, so here's the thing, right? I want to talk about it more when we talk about other movies that come out this year. But I'd rather have them show me something that's like, we love this character, we love this world.

Like, even if it's stupid and even if it's dumb, we're going to celebrate it, then be like, like I said, last week, fuck you, I hate, you,

this sucks. You suck. Everything sucks. Like, that was just a disservice to me. You, every single person. It's mean-spirited.

It's actively a mean-spirited movie. Like, don't be a dick about it. Yeah, but just for the quality of the movie. What quality? No, no, no. There is a difference between Madam Webb and Joker Folly. Just even when you're looking at it. No, I'm not going to put a capital F filmmaking on this movie.

No. Put my hand in two balls of shit. It's still shit. Charles. It's your score. Jomi, you're down to a one, Steve. Are you going from a two to a one? I'm keeping it at a two.

Okay. So, Van, Van, is four. I switched to three. Jomi, you're at one. Steve, you're staying at two. At two. At number eight, Godzilla versus Kong. Everybody at this table gave it a six,

except for me. I gave it a two. For a score, an average score of a five. Now, I'll be real. I'm bumping this up to from a two to a four. That's a pretty big league. That's a double. It's a double. What made you change? I was thinking about this year

and having fun at the What? They put Diddy Kong in it? Yeah, they put the little tiny con in it. Man, when he swings that little Yo, when he's around, yeah. When I'm thinking of just this year in movies

and having fun in the theaters, I thought it would get better after Godzilla versus Kong. It did. It really, really didn't. No, it did. So, yeah, I got to go up. I got to double the score

because I had fun in the movie. It's a four now. from a two for me guys you all had a six is anybody changing coming off this I think I keep this at a I keep it as six

I'm gonna get it as six I'm definitely keeping it at a six there's a lot of fun to be had here there truly is like there's not a again we look at this to Joker like there's not a mean-spirited bone in this movie's body like this is just made for you to have fun

but Van you also gave Venom the last dance of six and I did as well so are you saying that Godzilla versus Kong. Is it like they're exactly the same quality of movies?

So you're giving both of them a sex? Yeah, they're exactly the same quality of movie. Like it, Godzilla versus Kong is literally as good as it can be. It's very nonsensical. It's like, hey, have some fun. Go in there, watch some stuff happen. It doesn't have to be tired or well-crafted or anything like that. You're coming for the spectacle.

If the spectacle delivers and you have a little fun, the movie works. Vindom the Last Dance, maybe a little bit of, bit different just because there is actually a relationship there between the symbiate and Eddie Brock that is actually worth watching. So like when the movie ends at the end, you're actually like, oh, man, it's kind of, I mean, for you. Well, I'm talking about myself. Yes. So, so, so, so, so yeah. So for that to me, it works. So you're keeping it out of six. Keep it out of six for all right. So I'm with van. I'm keeping mine out of six. But for Venom the last dance, Jomey, Steve, Jomey had it out of four,

Steve had it out of five. Are we coming off that? I genuinely don't think that I could go lower than a five. I really don't think so. You don't want to bump it up to a six? No, no. I think I keep it out of five. I got a stick.

I got to stick to four. I think, again, like, the Venom trilogy, like, there's some pretty redemptive qualities to it, but, like, it's not as good as either of the first two. Guys, the Venom trilogy makes every other Sony movie. that's not those Caterman movies. Like, that shit is citizen. To know that I had fun with every single Venom movie is kind of an amazing achievement.

I think the thing, that's the thing that makes that, again, upsets me with Joker so much. Like, this movie, as much as I don't like it, is in Bacheli itself. They lean into the symbios. They lean into the null. You know, like, the relationship to me to Eddie and Venom is so, like, spectacular and interesting to point where, like, it's, they just, those symbiote on there. You're supposed to be, like, I don't know who. who any of these people are.

There's like the sand one. Yeah. There's the... But at least like, what's her name? Keeley from Ted Lassel. So, fuck it. Who cares? You get a symbiote.

You get a symbiote. It's just like a Christmas. Christmas, yes. Christmas symbiote. Everybody's had a good time, but just gonna lean all the way into the absurdity of this scenario. I like the Baja Blast symbiote.

Right? Joker's like, yeah, suck a dick. Like, I just, I feel, like, we're being serious. I'm rocking with it. Like, I see the vision. I can't go more than a four. But to their point,

at least they're doing something. same. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Number six, we talked about this recently. Gladiator 2. Van, you gave it a six. Jomey gave it a six. Then me and Steve gave it a seven. Guys, I'm gonna lead this one off. I'm coming down to to where Van and Jome you're at. I gotta give this a six. Not that it was not a bad movie, not a bad movie, but also I have not thought about Gladiator 2 since I left that, Peter. So I wonder about gladiator two for me. I wonder if it's

possible to judge Gladiator 2 on its own merits. And when I say, I'm not even talking about even comparing Gladiator 2 to Gladiator 1, I'm saying one of the things that like befuddle me about Craven is when you take a step back and look at the talent

assembled for Craven, you're like, what are they doing? Yeah. Like what, what, how could this movie have been made with the director and the lead? And the lead, and all the rest like an academy award winner playing you know what I mean it's like what like how could this have happened like what are they trying to do yeah yeah I think we gladiator too I don't want to change it but I do wonder if I was fair to the movie because the movie is the movie that they made yes and I'm looking at the film as it's Ridley Scott it's Denzel

Washington it's Paul mescal it's Joseph Quinn it's Pedro Pascal it's It's all of these people, and it should be better. So I haven't viewed it again, but I wonder if I did see it again and I released my expectations of the semblance of talent on screen if I'd have a different vision of the movie. Because when I looked at it, it was so, like I said, on the pod, it was so astonishingly mediocre that I was kind of like, I was taken aback at just how regular the movie is,

just how the nothing burger that the movie is, and maybe I didn't give it a fair shake. But taking what you just said, I feel like taking the Denzel equation out of this, there's so much other talent on this movie, and I don't even think that they're, what makes them special was unlocked into 60. A million percent right.

Pedro Pascal, like it's like, nothing. Nothing. Nothing he's ever done. You know what I'm saying? Like Paul Mesco, like great, great, great actor. And he probably got to like 50 to, 60% of what like he's capable of. He's capable of. So I have to dig it because I'm like after I walked out, I'm like, you can't have

that much talent on screen. Yeah. And it'd be, you know. To me, this movie is nothing but wasted potential. Are you sticking with your score then? No. I'm going down to a five. You're going down to a five? Yes. Of the, of the me getting to watch this movie

again, uh, really hammered home the amount of talent that could have been here and is just not. Especially from the directing of the movie itself. Like, it just feels lazy and it feels uninspired to the point of absolute driven. And it's like, you say that you can't stop comparing it to the first gladiator, where

I can easily keep comparing it to the first gladiator because, like I said, it constantly compares itself to the first gladiator. This movie does not stop mentioning its past. And because of that, it's so far in contrast to what the greatness could have been. I know some stuff about the movie now. I mean, we all do now. They shot the movie in 51 days. The movie didn't really have a real script.

There was a Q&A where Ridley Scott was there and he was talking about how they shot the movie like a play. He would tell the actress just go on set and just do their thing. And the movie was shot in 50. It was just rushed and thrown together. For what reason I'm not really sure. And still yet, Denzel was in his bag that whole time. Sorry, you changing your score.

No. I mean, the reason I gave it a six, like just on its, like, levels, it's a five. But because Denzel shows up and just, like, works the whole entire room, the entire movie, it's a six. And I'm sticking with that. Did you guys say Denzel today say that he doesn't give a fuck about who Stanley Kubrick is? Yes. I saw that video.

That was jokes. What a G, bro. He's like, I was outside. I don't know what y'all talking about. I wonder what, I got to talk to Sean about that. I got to talk to all my film bros about that, man. Say, who? Because then, because, like, I'm not a.

Phil Buff. And he like, I would have robbed you when you was coming out of Clockwork Orange or whatever. I was so crazy. But you have the thing, Denzo could say that because he's just like, catch me on Broadway. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like he's a real theater actor. He's like movies.

He's crazy. He's crazy. Do you see the one where somebody was like, hey, well, so you haven't auditioned, right? In like the last couple, you said, lady, I haven't auditioned in like 40 years. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. Ever since 1989. No, what was the question?

Was there any movie that you wish you were in? I'm in every movie I want to be in. Yeah, that's a hot. Must be nice being a goat. Yeah, he said he was going to be in Black Panther 3, and it was like, yeah, cool. Marvel Snipers ain't come from. Cougler, supposedly Couglar had to call Danzel, like, my bitch.

No, they'll call and be like so. It's crazy, dude, you know, because it couldn't be. It had to be Couglas, too. Like, hey, man, listen, bro, I don't really want to have a phone call with you. Like, sorry to bother you, Mr. Washington. Kevin Faggy, Connie, you on my. Can you imagine Kevin Feigen calling Denzel? No, absolutely.

He doesn't make that call. Kevin Feing and got the juice for that, man. Like, I love Kevin. Get on my ear with all of this shit, Kevin. Yeah. All right, so for Gladiator 2, Dan, you're staying out of six. I went from a 7 to a 6. Jomi, you're keeping it out of 6.

Steve, you went from a 7 to a 5. Yeah. Now, number 5. This is a most interesting one. A mad, mad dog. This is the one I'm really interesting. This is the most interesting one. All of us gave it a 7.

I'm going to lead this off. Were we too harsh? Like, looking at all the movies that came this year, obviously, Furiosa is not as good as Fury Road. But right now, the next movie above it is Deadpool and Wolverine,

and I can already tell you Furios is a better movie than Deadpool Wolverine. It's really tough. I've rewatched this when it hit streaming, and there are parts of it that feel like a slog. And it's to a degree where I'm like, there's no way that George Miller did this after just doing like one of the best movies I've ever seen in my life. And it's really frustrating because you have sequences in this movie that are just like, like the assault on the war rig, the

like escape from bullet farm, the opening sequence of like the motorcycle chase across the desert in the night that are like genuinely inspired and truly incredible but like somewhere this story gets muddled and dragged down a bit but there's still like some genuine like capital f filmmaking here that i think i keep it at a seven because i can't say i don't not enjoy it it's really really good i don't know i'm looking at the rest of our list i'm looking at the rest of Listen, I kind of like, we might have been a little too harsh on this. It's, Yerleosa, I think, suffers from the same thing that Gladiator suffers from. Yeah.

Which is like, when you have something. What? Sorry, continue, continue. When you have such a legendary movie come before. Yeah. Your sequel. And then you're switching out actors and you're trying to make us fall in love with them. Yeah.

You're always going to be comparing the two. But I might have to bump mine up to an eight just to say, like, even if you're it wasn't perfect. Right. There was some shit still in there that I'd never seen. Like, it's a, it's,

if I'm looking at the rest of this list, outside of maybe one other movie, I think that this is probably the best made. I mean, yeah. Craft-wise. What do you, what's your point between Friosa and Gladiator?

I don't, I think that there's like a genuine, like, laziness behind Gladiator 2 that I don't see with Furiosa. I think it was just more, like, it's a dip on the chip factor

with Fury. Friosa where they're like... Friosa has the opposite problem. Right. Like there's almost so much inspiration to want to pull from that like, oh, like you might have actually like kind of overstimulated and oversaturated this story. There's no story. No.

So Gladiator 2 is sparse. Furiosa is overwrought. Like that entire first scene, it goes on so, so long. Yeah. But like that could, but like it's so weird because like that opening sequence could be. your movie. If this was made like Fury Road was, that entire first opening escape out of the desert and kidnapping of childhood Furiosa, that's just a movie in and of itself, in the language of Fury Road. So the thing that the movies both have in common is that there are stories that have

absolutely zero need to be told. Yeah. Right? So Gladiator 2 doesn't need to be told because Gladiator 1 is such a contained story that there's not much left to go on. and make another movie in that world out of, unless you just recycled the same story, which is what they did. Sure. And Furiosa doesn't really need to be told. If you're going to tell a story about Furiosa,

I would rather know what happens to her after Fury Road with the character that we know, then to learn how she got to where she was. Because if you don't pull that off perfectly, then it's going to be like, why are we here? Yeah. So then, like, the reason why the story dips in and out of meaning anything is because there's not a natural story there.

And even the Chris Hemsworth character who was supposed to be, and that was a big part of the selling point of the movie, it's kind of just like it's another George Miller weirdo. Well, yes, until the end. And that scene between Furiosa and Demetrius, I think, that was the movie.

That's a movie they should have made. It's those guys, like, going back and forth. I mean, I guess they were during the movie, but, like, actually have a conversation. Because, like, we said, I'm sure we said it when we did the podcast. Do you have it any of you make it epic? As a trailer line, we're like, this is hokey, this is lame.

In the movie, it makes perfect, it's great. It's a perfect climax, but there's not enough of that in the movie to go around and it kind of left feeling like... And I think ultimately, like, I wouldn't even call this movie a miss. I think if it was even just like... I'm immediately more intrigued by the world of George Miller's apocalypse than anything Gladiator 2 could ever show me. Yeah.

And even if... Do you think it's a movie star problem as well? that it's no I think it was I think it was this like there was like a bit of a CGI problem that I had in some of the action sequences that I thought was a bit like overwrought and like problematic for like what I wanted out of a Mad Max movie but really I think it was just a saturation of a story that was like too thin over the course of two and a half hours so but still really fun like amazing things so the difference between the matrix and the matrix reloaded right right in the matrix you have

a bare bones really sexy no fat story about someone learning that the world around them is artificial and learning their power to shape it and how

an artificial world makes a real hero right and every single part of the movie needs to be in there every single day no wasted scenes no right that's the movie just moves then in the second one there's a council there's we're doing they're trying to give you bigger

better badder and you're thinking to yourself this isn't why i like this world and i feel that way about george miller and the world that he created bullet gas like all of that stuff there was a lot going on there. And in order to deepen that world and make all of that stuff into some huge, huge, huge commentary on

commerce and exploitation and all of that, it just needed more story. Sure. And it just, it, it was, we, we essentially, we essentially went back to the war rig. Yeah. We went back to like driving the war rig

and assaults on that. The first movie, very simple. ladies stolen war rig Max is in the middle of it boom boom boom boom boom The wads are kidnapped

Not giving you too much Chase movie the whole time Not giving you too much And then when they The more they put on your plate The less The mill was As some of its parts

The less intense it is Yeah Girby Road was just like Up to your point It is so There's no fat On that shit You're just like

God damn Furiosies You don't need You don't breathe in Fury Road For like 30 minutes Yeah. So y'all are all staying out of seven. I stay at a seven. It's not whack.

Yeah. It's just not very memorable. That war rig seen in Furious. It was still incredible. When they like go from like, they start paragliding. They start paragliding. It's so,

it's so awesome. Like I forgot that they shot a grenade at that dude and that's what made him go up. Yeah. It was so funny. If an eight is an 80, I'm giving this movie an 80. That's fine.

Not whack. Just, you know. That's fair. I'm saying at a seven. Yeah, I'm staying at a seven. That's fair. Now, number four. Deadpool Wolverine.

Van, you will have to explain this because you gave it an eight. Out of eight. Yeah. I gave it a six. Jomi gave it an eight and Steve gave it a six. Let's start with you, Van. What does eight out of eight mean? And can we actually get a real score of this time?

Okay, so the movie is an eight. The reason why I said it was out of eight is because I really truly do believe that they achieved everything in the movie that they went out, that they set out to. achieve. I believe that the vision that they had at this movie, they made the movie that they wanted to make. With no story. With no story with a bunch of jokes, throwing a bunch of gags on there, literally a long... I think that they made... It's not like they wanted to do something more and they didn't do it. So I was judging it based upon how they achieved what I think they wanted to do. I think the movie's in eight because it was a shit ton of fun. It was very funny. made a trillion dollars.

It made, I mean, it made a lot of money. That is neither here nor there for me. I think the movie is an eight just because it was a good time with some funny performances and there was enough on screen. But it was also a mess.

So you're staying at eight. Depole and Wolverine, Van, you're staying at an eight. So I got to be real. I originally gave this a sex. And I just, I have to speak my mind and I have to speak my heart.

I love you for this, Charles. This is not a six at all. I love you. I think I have to go down to a three. Whoa. I'm on the cusp of a two to a three, but I'll be nice, and I think I have to go to a three. I think this movie is kind of everything that's wrong with modern movie making and superior storytelling. And I think that I didn't want to yuck anybody's yoke anybody's yoke in the summer because I think...

It's not going on. Wait, wait, so you're saying that you had this, you had this in your heart the whole time. Hell yeah. Okay. But it was, when Deadpool and Wolverine came out, it was, we had gone through a lot.

Just as a nerd society, I think we really needed a win. And I didn't want to be like, no, it is bullshit. But at the end of the year, I just have to be true to my heart. And I think the MCU probably learned

all the wrong lessons from Deadpool and Wolverine. Uh-huh. I think that there's just no story to speak of in this movie. It doesn't even function as a movie. And I'm just looking through a lot of the other.

stuff that we have on this list, it would be, I originally gave Furiosa a 7 and Deadpool and Wolverine a 6. There's just the mountain of quality difference between those two to me. Deadpool and Wolverine is way more entertaining than Furios is.

I highly disagree. Furiosa takes itself seriously in a way that Deadpool and Wolverine doesn't. That's kind of the point of Furiosa and not the point of If you take itself that seriously, then there's there's stakes that you have to meet.

Sure. Well, so this is actually bringing up Furiosus is a good point. So there's a point in Deadpool and Wolverine, where Wolverine Deadpool, I think they're fighting in the desert. It's when we first get to see, like, kind of the berserk of Wolverine on everything. And when I say, like, Deadpool and Wolverine to me is kind of everything that's wrong with just modern action superhero storytelling. If you look at Furiosa, it still looks good.

Both of these are set in the desert, both of these, but they're shot in different ways where it's like the background says something about this world and how dire it is and everything. In Deadpool and Wolverine, I'm just like, oh, you guys shot it in this way so you can go back and insert a bunch of shit. And what it ends up looking like is just a very bland, underwhelming action scene.

And when you have something that is like Deadpool and Wolverine and you're throwing that much money on screen, artistically, I do feel like I have to ding it so many points because I'm like, y'all had this much money and it looks this ugly. There are moments in Deadpool and Wolverine. I'm like, why does it look like this? Why does this look worse than the first Deadpool movie?

Why does this look worse than Logan? And I just, I'm getting very afraid that the MCU just does not know how to even make a good-looking movie anymore. I agreed with you more than I thought with that, Charles. I think the biggest takeaway is that, like, I fear that they're going to learn the wrong lessons from the success of this movie. I think they'll only see this financial success and not why this may or may not be something that we needed just to have a fun time and maybe not exactly what we need to be doing forever for the rest of the MCU. Well, there's a, oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. And while I still find it a lot more entertaining than I think Charles might have,

and I think there's a, I can find a bit more value in the idea, in the novelty of the fact that we're just here on a silly adventure to like, you know, have a couple of poignant moments with Hugh Jackman and like, you know, some laughs. I think personally, I think I would bump my score down only to a five for that. I still think some of the fight scenes look terrible. I still think some of the jokes don't really land and I was still kind of annoyed with the whole Ryan Reynolds of it all anyway. But I think ultimately there was still a bit more fun to be had but I still just don't think that this is what I would like to see

out of Marvel wholesale. And I just really get worried with the massive amount of success that this movie has had in stark contrast to the rest of the MCU track record as of late. It's worrisome to me. I mean, we're talking about, like, the rest of the Marvel Slate, as of late, like, Mm-hmm.

Joe Me and Dinneron will be returning in Avengers Dooms Day, by the way. I mean, yeah, of course. I got mine down to a seven. I re-watched it when it came on Disney Bus, and it was cool, man. Like, I do see where you guys are coming from in the sense of you hope that they don't just go, oh, if we just start. Let's just do this forever. Let's do this forever.

I don't think that works. And also just throw a bunch of older. actors and be like, we don't want to do anything new anymore. Here's more Hugh Jackson. Let's just play the hits. That's all you want. And like the third act stinks. Doomsday is really getting me worried with all of these castings.

A lot of game left. A lot of game left. But I think to your, to what we, I think we talked about on the episode and the advantage earlier, stuff's funny, man. Like I don't know what to tell you. I went back and I'm laughing at a whole bunch of the stuff, man. So I can only bring it down to an eight, hopefully, or to a seven. Hopefully they don't, like, just keep making this over and over again.

But, again, to Van's point, it's a movie that was made to be silly, be funny, and I think they accomplished that. Sure. So a couple of things. Number one, there's really no lessons that they can learn on this movie because there'll never be another movie made in the MCU like Deadpool and Wolverine. I don't know. But that's, I think, to me, that's the problem because I think they'll just try to emulate that success without. They can't. You don't think so?

Because Ryan Reynolds was in complete control of this, and that'll never happen on another MCU project. Ryan Reynolds was in complete control of this movie to the point to where he was able to bring on a director that he liked. He was able to shape the story in the way that he liked. He was able to do everything he was able to say, hey, I want to make a movie with Hugh Jackman. That's not happening on the MCU again.

This movie is one of a kind. It's one of a kind insofar as you have not seen a star-driven vehicle, no matter even what, the way that Robert Downey Jr., even how powerful he got into the Marvel, you have not seen a star-driven vehicle in the MCU like this.

And it was because the old Deadpool movies were like that as well. Now, they had different people who were involved from a projection standpoint, from a script-writing standpoint, and all of that stuff, but the character is so closely tied to its lead actor,

that in this one, they literally had to just let go of the reins and let him make the movie that he wanted to make. And essentially, it was a movie where he, his character, got to make 15 jokes a second, got to fight and kick and do all of that stuff. Whatever reason it was of this movie

resonated with the audience, I'm really not sure why it was that successful. But as far as, as what the MCU, because I don't know. Oh, like, do you feel like you're surprised by the level of success this movie's had? I'm surprised that it was, like, more successful than the first two films.

Right, okay. Both because of the movie-going climate that we're in right now, and just because Deadpool 1 was such a better movie than this one was. Sure, yeah. But what I'm saying is, as far as, you know, the trepidation behind the lessons that they'll learn from this, like,

Wesley Snipes is not going to be able to go and say, hey, I want to make a Blame movie exactly the way I want to. You're not going to see a lead in any of these movies that it's not going to be the same. And in a way, this movie was a swan song to that idea. It was like actually saying goodbye to what we saw with some of these other films was orienting the movie around a central character

and just letting it go. So I don't think they're going to be bad lessons learned from it. I think that the MCU is actually going to get back to its fundamentals, and its fundamentals are going to be less films. I'm not saying all the movies are going to be good. Sure. Its fundamentals are going to be less films tied together through the sensibility of one guy. That's fair.

And that's Kevin Feigy. As far as them going back to the old guard, if and when the imps, MCU goes back to the O-Gar. It won't be because they wanted it. It will be because the audience did. So even when the MCU goes back to the O'Gar. No, I see the vision.

I see the vision because we don't know. We're not fucking with these guys right now anyway. But the movies, it's the chicken out of the egg. The movies and TV shows weren't good. So it's like, I don't know if you can blame the audience. Be like, well, the audience didn't support. Well, I'm like, a lot of it was bullshit. Well, I'm telling you straight up, it's, it's, you can look at the, you can go back and look

at the history of the movies and how people felt about the first Thor or even the second Thor or even the third Thor. They're hits and misses even in the first group. Now the misses are, the misses aren't, to me, internalized in a different way. The misses aren't just like, hey, I didn't like this movie. The misses are, they don't know how to do this anymore. It's over. Like, we're not interested in this fucking character.

Yeah. We don't want this character no more. I've heard that from you. Like, we don't want this character anymore. No, no, no, no. I'm not disagreeing. But I think the fundamental miscalculation for Marvel and Star Wars is that in the beginning, even if, let's say, like, the second Thor, people weren't fucking with it or like the first Captain America.

It was just like it was successful, but not that successful. I think it was different when you would get one, two, maybe three MCU movies a year. And if that felt special, the minute the MCU comes into your house and starts fucking up your furniture and shit and not taking off his shoes, and it's just like, oh, this shit is an every other month investment. I think that's more

where the audience is just like, damn, I'm giving you even more time and the shit's not hitting like it did. No, I get it. And so what they'll do then is, because maybe they've realized something, maybe they've realized that they don't know how to break characters

like they used to in the way that they wanted to, right? Okay. So they would break these characters in other big movies. where we wouldn't even really realize it, right? Black Panther and Civil War and, you know, different guys that would pop up in movies and all that stuff.

Maybe they feel like they want to get back to that. TV show stuff not going to work. The TV shows you're going to get now is going to be a reboot of Daredevil and all of that stuff. Yeah. So what I'm saying is it, and whether or not the MCU is successful at this next year, I mean, we got Superman and a Fantastic Ford coming out next year.

Yeah. We are going back to basics. And part of that, part of that is because they tried the new characters. They tried the new stuff. And people just didn't like it. People didn't like it. Blue Beetle wasn't a horrible movie. No.

People didn't fuck with it. They didn't like the movie. Okay? You don't like Blue Beetle? We're going to make money off these characters. Yeah. We don't get this bread. We don't make money off these characters.

Okay. Let's see what you think about Superman. And then if the audiences don't respond to these characters, then we got a problem. Yeah. Yeah. Then it's cooked. Then it's really, it's really an issue.

All right. So, Van, you're staying at an 8 for Deppold Wolverine. I went from a 6 to a 3. Jomey went from an 8 to a 7. Steve went from a 6 to a 5. Now we're going to our top 3. Monkey Man. We all gave this an 8 instead of Steve, who gave it a 6.

I'll go first. First, only slightly, only slightly. I'm bumping Monkey Man down to a seven. Tough. I got bump it down to a seven, too. There's nothing wrong with Monkey Man, but. Wasn't as sticky as I thought it would be. I tried to go back and watch Monkey Man.

Felt asleep. Monkey Man be boring sometimes. All right. I tell you, you didn't have to do that. I told you. There's pockets. There's pockets. There's pockets.

Their pockets that are great. Don't who death like that, man. Come on. Monkey Man be boring sometimes. It wasn't boring enough. It still, it pulled itself together to be a seven. Sure. At seven out of ten is a good score. It's a good score.

I'm just a stick with an eight. I think the stuff that is really good in the movie is really good. Again, the fights. And, you know, it kind of has that, I don't want to say like spy, but like there's some elements in there that just like speak to my heart that I really enjoy.

So I rock with it. I'm a stick with eight. I think I, bump this up to a seven actually because I really I really see a lot of devs inspiration here and I want him to keep making movies I want him to get another at bat at this

because what the fuck that got to do with the score of the movie? Because when I watched it again Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Can you let Steve bump your score? Let him let him. We let you keep your scores and shit the way they are? No, no, I'm talking about it, but wanting him to make the movies. And I'm about to tell you. Damn. Because a lot of his

action inspiration is something that I like to see from the likes of of like a Gareth Evans who's directed the raid like it's visceral. There's a lot of like raw like nitty gritty filmmaking that he's really clearly a fan of and inspired by

and you don't get to see these types of voices and these faces on screen before. And as much as I didn't really like the amount of man. Come on. Come on. Come on. You know what? Fuck me. No, no. No, no. This makes me bad. Because you know, no, no. You shoot.

The M-TU so much fucking bill. Yeah, it's an eight out of eight. It's the best it could be. Did it, da-da-da-da. And then Steve's like, yo, I want more movies like this. I can see the inspirations. Did-da-da-da. And you coming at him.

Like, why can't he bump his score up? You can bump the score up. First of all, when I said eight out of eight, I was saying that they lowered the bar for their own movie making. You guys missed it. You thought I was learning the bar. I'm saying they lowered the bar. And Dev Fetel's Bar is getting a movie made.

And guess what? I think he clears it. pandering. I'm not panning. No, no, no, I'm not like, he's not pandering. Like, he said we need to see faces like this on screen. I said I would like to see faces like this. We don't get to see faces like this.

Man, they make plenty of movies like this. You just got to go outside your comfort zone to see him. I know, but we have star power behind Death Fidelity. He gets a voice behind anybody any bill. Like, it, like, I, do you think Monkey Man was, you think Monkey Man was more entertaining than Deadpool or Wolverine? Yes. Yes.

Absolutely. I don't. Okay. And guess what? And that's why I score it to the seven. I think Monkey Man, if I'm going to be honest, movies like Monkey Man are way more important to the ecosystem than Deadpool and Wolverine.

I would ever be. Well, I mean, you could say that. And I still think it's, to me, a lot of that makes it more entertaining because I'm like, okay, I get to see. Why are they more, why are they more important to the ecosystem? When I look at something like a monkey man, I'm like, all right, not only am I seeing like a star.

try to get their vision across on screen, but they're doing it in a way that, to me at least, there's just like more artistic move there. There's like there's a beating heart behind it. Whereas with like Deadpool and Wolverine, I like these movies. I get what they are. But Deadpool and Wolverine to me is essentially just a commercial.

And I'm like sometimes when I feel a little bit, a lack of distance from it is I'm like, well, there's no story here. This isn't a story about anything. There's no emotion. I'm just watching like a punch fest for, and this is the stuff that like when people are like, superhero movies aren't real art, blah, blah,

that's what they talk about. And sometimes when I look at something like monkey man, I'm like, that's a movie about something. What is it about? I think that's a, it's a movie about a lot of things. I think it's a movie about religion, politics, India, the people.

And it's a typical hero's journey, a lot of ways. It's a story about the people, even when the trans community basically adopts him and are teaching him essentially how to recreate himself, rebirth, become a warrior,

like even that scene not much happens in it when he's punching the bag and it's the montage and they're all clapping. That's a moment of a filmmaker where I'm like, that scene probably didn't cost that much money.

And yeah, it's a little heavy-handed. It's a little rough. But like it, I get it. I feel fucking something. I'm excited. I'm excited not just for this movie, but to see what happens next in a way with Deadpool and Wolverine, there was nothing action-wise that happened in that movie

that, like, my heart was like, oh, hell yeah, yes. So this is a matter of the way you look at the movie industry. Okay. If movies like Deadpool and Wolverine are not successful, movies like Monkey Man are not going to get made. Okay. Okay. So, like, when you talk about commercials, right?

when you talk about it's a commercial. Well, the only reason why you can watch your football game is because of the commercials. So our candy has become our vegetables now, you're saying? It's always been that way. I don't even think that that's fair because we've seen it from... But wait a second, though. I'm just using what you guys gave me.

It's always been that way. Your candy has always been your vegetables, right? Like, it's always been that way. It's the way that it goes. We're seeing it a lot more now because rather than Terminator 2, being the movie that, or being Titanic, or being one of those movies,

it's movies with people and they're wearing tights. Sure. And going into those movies, because of the subject matter, people are apt to take them less seriously already. And because of Monkey Man, and because it's made, it's a passion project by after we all really love,

and because the movie has culture, and because the movie has stakes in it, we are apt to take that movie more seriously. The bottom line is the movie came out. People went to go see it and it just wasn't as good as what they thought it was going to be.

And that's okay. That doesn't mean that necessarily that like it shouldn't be, it was a great actual first film for Dev. Yeah. A fantastic first film. film. It doesn't mean we have to make it more than what. I thought it was going to...

I'm bump up from a six to a seven. I just liked it a little bit more than I thought I did. Okay. Why are you so surprised that I would find it like more entertaining than... Because like I'll put it to you this way. If Deadpool Wolverine is a commercial, like a lot of these movies are commercials, but it's like when I look at Guardians of the Galaxy

or Winter Soldier, I look at those movies and those movies have something to say, the way that they're shot, the way that they're acted. I'm just like, oh, you took something that could have been just like, oh, whatever, it's a superhero movie. We don't got to think that hard about it. And when I'm, even Black Panther, all these movies,

I'm like, oh, shit, they got one. You know? And Deadpool and Wolverine to me is a movie that I'm just like, I want that type of feeling from it, but it just doesn't get there because they didn't. And that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is comparing somebody's, like, passion art project and saying that that's the type of movie

that has to exist. for movies to actually be around when it just depends by my saying you're wrong. Oh no, I said I said it's good. I think Monkey Man is better for the ecosystem creatively. Like I get what you're saying.

Like Deadpool and Wolverine, the industry needed hits. I'm not taking that away. Right, right. So it just, in terms of what, I don't know that when you're talking about a movie discussing what kind of movies we need and don't need is,

I don't know how we have that conversation. because the reality is there's one movie that you could make your passion project, $20 million film that you self-funded and did all of that stuff. You can make that movie, right? And you can always try, you can meet up with the right crypto bros,

you can raise the money, you can do all of that. But the types of movies that have to exist for there to be a thriving movie industry are movies that make a shit ton of money for studios. Like a shit ton of money for studios, Because even Def Patel, Debtel'm not about to go make 10 Monkey Man, because Debt Patel got to put fool on his play.

DeF Patel has to go act in other movies that are going to be big enough movies to keep DeFatel where he needs to be in order to get Monkey Man made. But Dev has said this, and when I say Monkey Man is important for the ecosystem, Dev has been very, very clear. He was just like, yo, these were roles that were not being offered to me.

Like, I wasn't getting those Action Man Certainly. So it's like when I say like these movies are important because it's like, oh, if I'm not getting cast in those roles, if people who look like me aren't getting cast in these roles, I got to go out there and make it. And I think when I look at something like Deadpool and Wolverine, Deadpool and Wolverine is microwaving something that I've already gotten. You're saying like, oh, here are the stars you know and love. We're resurrecting them or bringing them back because we don't got a new generation that could take the baton from them. And I enjoy movies where it's like, fuck it. If the baton ain't going to be passed to me, I'm going to be.

and take it for myself. Right. But I think what I'm saying is in both cases, right? Yeah. In both cases, when we go back to Gladiator 2. Gladiator 2, the reason why the movie was astonishingly mediocre is because they actually didn't take the filmmaking itself very seriously. Yeah.

They didn't come up with them. They didn't give you anything in the film for you to glom onto. Depple & Wolverine tries to give you something. They try to give you the comedy. They try to give you the comedy in the movie to say, hey, if you think that this movie is funny enough or if you think this movie has enough cool shit, this might be for you. I'm not talking about quality-wise, like which film is actually better. I'm talking about our expectations, right? Because there are a lot of films that we go into to where we look at the craft of the movie.

We look at the intention of the movie. we look at the ethos and the thesis of the film and then we use a different standard on it than we do with other movies. Everybody, everywhere, particularly people who are making films, whether they're big or whether they're small, when they're on set, they're making something

that they deeply want to be successful. Like, deeply want to be successful. Now, sometimes they try to cheat and they try to pull on your heartstrings. Or sometimes, I got to be honest with you, they try to use representation. And they go, this is a very important film

because it has blankety-blank lead with blankly-blank thing and blankety-blank this. And then you go to the movie and you almost feel shame or bad if you didn't have as much fun as you thought that you were going to have. And you, you, you, you, you, you,

tepidly offer criticism of the movie because of what the movie was trying to do. And so to me, when I look at that, I'm like, giving death Patel, the movie is not the rain. Right. It's, it's, and there are, if you want to watch movies like the raid, there are movies being made all over the world like the rate and you can go watch them. So, so all I'm saying is when, I'm not doing any work for anyone. I'm saying if we're comparing movies based upon their intention,

there isn't a such thing as a movie that's not intending to entertain people. Except Joker Folly, you do. Well, even in that, there was a tremendous amount of intention in that movie. Yeah. It's like a tremendous amount of intention. Directed the wrong way. It just, the way that it came off was very finger-wain. But yeah, you're acting like we gave Monkey Man at 12.

I think I bumped it down one point. I bumped it up one. No, no, no, I'm not acting like you give Monkey Man a 12. I'm like, for the sake of the conversation, what I'm saying is there is like, oh, there's... Sure, and the argument that you bring to, like, that where you're like, the idea that, like, the things that... There's a conversation about which movies are the right movies to make.

Sure. It just, it doesn't... There's no such thing. Oh, I didn't say what movies were right and wrong. I was just like, when I talk about, like, a Monkey Man being better for the ecosystem. This is what I want to see. This is not what I just like to see right now. I'm like, I'm going to be real.

There's a reason why a lot of these Marvel movies, Star Wars movies, a lot of these other movies are having problems. I do think it's a movie star problem. I do think it is a level of like none of these actors have been given a chance to really sell movies in the way. Like, even when we take the MCU, it took Chris Evans how many times at that to convince us that like, oh, Steve Rogers. You know what I'm saying? I don't think it was until the first Avengers. movie where I think he finally got a handle on that character and it was when he was in the room with RDJ and Nick Deir where you're like, oh shit.

Like, not, he's Captain America where I don't actually think like Dev, all these other actors are given as many chances at bat to get like to get to that point where we'll take them serious. Like he's a white boy, but even Paul like gladiator two was probably too early in his career. He hasn't had enough at-bats yet. You got to do more normal people? No, I think you have to. to get, how to put this, I think that you need, there's a difference between being a, like, a good

dramatic or comedic actor and then carrying an action movie, superhero movie, sci-fi movie, it's difficult. But there's just so many factors that are, yeah, and it's this weird balancing acting, like an actor's career of like the right time, the right movie, the right place, like, that could be luck of the draw, too. And some people, it never happens for them. Like, there's just a, there's so many factors that go into all it is. There are cultural factors that go into this.

Yeah. Right. Their charisma factors, there's some people that want to be starts like, Glenn Powell isn't having any problem, right? Glenn Powell. Yeah, but Glenn Powell's a handsome blonde white man. Right. So, but what I'm telling you is that like, that's always been the people that have been

at the top of this. And if you're going to be something different, then you had to go about it in a different way. Give me an example. Like, Will Smith. Will Smith becomes the biggest movie star in the world in the 90s and the 2000s. Not an easy thing to do.

And the reason why is because Will Smith made a very concerted effort to make films that had the largest possible audiences, right? So you're going to go from bad boys and then you're going to do all the movies got aliens in them and weird technology and all of that stuff. So Will Smith is really never in a movie besides like Ali and him. He's really never in a movie where they're not. never in a movie where the movie's asking too many tough questions of the audience. He's only really asking the audience to have fun.

And asking the audience, he's doing something that like black actors or black leads, like at that point would have had to have done. Yeah. Like Denzel during that time is making Malcolm X. Denzel during that time is making Jungle Fever. Denzel's role, like Denzel didn't make $20 million for any movie until American Gangster. That's like 2007, right? So that's a long time in his career.

He's making a hurricane. He's making training day. So what I'm telling you is that, yeah, I get what you guys are saying. But the making of a movie start, there are movie stars who are white that everyone thought it was going to beat him. And it just didn't happen. Yeah. But they definitely got more. The comp is, the Will Smith comp is interesting because you say, like, not only movies,

he's making all these, like, wide audience movies. He gets offered the Matrix. and it's like, no, this is too weird. And I don't want to say, it made Keanu Reeves into a star? He was going to do this thing. He didn't make him into a star at that point. It probably submitted him. That's something.

But speed, like, okay, take. I think it turned him to a mega star, like an international megastard. But take Keanu Reeves for a second, right? The love that everyone has for Keanu Reeves. Kiana Reeves went through an entire portion of his career. between the end of the Matrix movies to John Wick. To where those Matrix movies weren't very good.

And he didn't really know what he was doing as far as who he was. He was trying other things that took him outside the realm of it. I'm really not talking about what makes a movie star or how we should have different movie songs. It's going to be tougher for you

to be a huge movie star if you are a black, if you are a woman, if you are a black woman. I get all of that. But I guess what I'm saying is the making of stars in Hollywood, the calculus to that has changed. Yeah. Did you like Foggai? I did. Okay.

So that's a-not- Really. So wait. So wait. That's a movie star movie. Yeah. Yeah. That is a movie that if people liked Ryan Gosling, as much as they said that they did, that that movie wouldn't have been unsuccessful. But that's been Ryan Gosling's problem for 10, 15 years going.

So what I'm telling you is that Ryan Gosling is everything that you would expect out of a movie star. He is charming. He is well-liked. He is handsome. Got no cancelable shit. But there's something, something. And I'm not going to say he hasn't had hits, right? Because he had La La Land was a big hit.

Barbie. But once again, Barbie. but once again, drive. Like, drive, cool-ass movie, not a movie star type of role, right? But there's something about Ryan Gosling that for whatever reason, large swaths of audiences

are not responding to. And that is what it is. Well, that's, I'm in a Keanu have the same thing where I do think it is role-dependent for them, where they are not a Tom Cruise or a Will Smith. It is role-dependent. You can say what you say about Tom Cruise,

not to get, not to get, You can say what you say about Tom Cruise. He had a foul period. Edge of Tomorrow. Oblivion. What Tom Cruise is doing right now and you guys love him for it. You love him for it. It's playing his hits.

Ethan, he's Ethan Hunt or he's fucking Maverick. And you got you fucking love him for it. So, I mean, like, his, he has it. Like, Edge of Tomorrow is legitimately fucking good. Yes. it's like legit good and people were just kind of like oh we fuck we don't fuck with Tom like right but here's the thing

also all that shit was happening to around the superhero boom and him Will all them got lost for a while because people that's not what people wanted to go see with Will now what will just had a hit what was the hit? Bad boys

Alright so you guys would go see these movies What those movies would those same movies Top Gun Maverick Bad Boys would they have done the same business at the peak of the MCU superhero boom? I don't think they would.

I think those movies came back around the time when we're like, damn, we're kind of tired of this shit. We want our movie stars back. And I think the audience was writing to be like, oh, like same thing with Denzel. But I'm trying to tell you something. You don't want your movie stars back. You want your characters back.

And this is the thing that's happening with the MCU. The thing that's happening with the MCU is you don't want Captain America. back. You got Captain America. Captain America got a movie coming out in February. You want Steve Rogers back. Right? So, so, like, you don't want your movies back. You want your characters

back. And that is something that's new in terms of, not necessarily new. That's something different about the current cultural times that we live in. To where as big as the Internet is, it actually makes us less curious. It,

I hear with that. It, like, it actually makes us run to our corners more. So, like, and the fall guy was IP. It came from a show. Like, all, and the movie was pretty good, at least to me. I loved it. The movie was pretty good. It's a perfect three-star movie, and that's not a diss at all.

How do you feel about the Monkey Man IP? What you mean about it? The monkey, I thought I was going to like Monkey Man a lot more than I did. Monkey Man was fine. It was cool. Moving on to our next primate, we only have two more movies. We all gave an eight to Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, and I'm gonna be honest, bro.

Good movie, good movie. It's not an eight, though. Okay. I think I gotta bump it down to... I'll be nice. I think I'm gonna bump it down to a seven. No, don't be nice. It's staying in the year, bro.

Everything gets researched. Actually, I think I'm gonna bump it down to a six. No. Because I just haven't... I just haven't... Once again, if I watched a movie and I have not thought about it since I left the theater

and not be a... world though, brother. You can't think about a movie all the time. We're going to talk about it late. I remember where I was at when I was watching a show again. You know what I'm saying? I remember where I was at watching a lot of other movies and TV. Playing of the Apes.

I could not even tell you who the main character is. It's a monkey. What's his name? That's a monkey. Exactly. Because you remember Caesar's name. It's Noah. It's Noah.

No, you remember that because I said it. We want our old character. To Van's point, we want our old characters back. I want Caesar back. I want Noah. See what I'm saying? They try it like, I'm just, I'm just being broad. Like, they try some new shit.

The shit not good. I like the movie. I think the movie is a very, very solid film. And I had a lot of fun. I'm gonna stick with eight. I'm sticking with an eight too. I think the only problem is that it's too long. That's it was a very long movie.

It's super long. No, I'm a stick to an eight, man. I think the movie does what it set out to do. And I think it does it really well. So our number one movie of the year then, Dune Part 2. Hell yeah. Van, you gave it at 12.

I gave it at 10. Joe Me, Steve, 11, 11. I'm keeping mine at a 10. This is easily of like what we covered this year in terms of movies. You're going to do some dumb shit. I can see it in your eyes. No. The season 11 for me.

No. I'm about to say. Ooh. Oh. Hey, man. Hey, man. I'm not going to lie to you. It's a movie.

It's a fucking gas, man. It's a 12. 12. Great. I don't get, here's the thing. I just, I'm not even mad at the 12. It's just, we're not even mad at the 12. It's just, we,

been sticklers in the past about what is the game changing element and can it be a game changer when inside out two laughed it you got Deadpool and Wolverine like that's just money that's just money I'll tell you how long the movie moves like what 2 30 like it's long it's 103 it's damn it's damn it three hours right

I saw the Batman in theaters a couple times by the third one I was knocked all the way out I was far asleep it was bad and guess what snoring it's pretty easy for you to fall asleep exactly right it's honestly hard to keep you awake. In Dune 2 saw the thing in theater three times. I was wide awake the whole time. I was locked.

That's a good movie. I seen the movie. Twice already. I'm in that thing like, hey, rocked that day, man. At least that I got to eat, bro. Once again, where's the game changing? Where's the game changing out? I think it's a game changer and its approach to sci-fi and its approach to sci-fi adaptations. Yeah. I think that it, um, that honestly, the Dune, Dune, I've talked a lot, so I'm going to try to be a little more economical.

I think that Dune 2 is a perfect case study to how a big IP sci-fi movie should be made now. I think that's the game that it changed. I mean, do you think we're going to get more? This is actually like an honest question. Do you think we're going to get more sci-fi movies greenlit off the back of Dune or is this something where it's like, Denny is just such a singular filmmaker in a similar way that like Nolan

is where it's just like these studios aren't like. No, folks too greedy for that. Of course they're going to display. Oh, cool. We can make her own Dune. Same thing when the Game of Thrones popped off. We'll get our own Game of Thrones. We'll get our own Game of Thrones. Like it's the same. Yeah. How can we make Logan's run like Dune? Yeah. But there's not. Here's the thing. If I'm exact,

I'm like. Okay, but you don't have the money signs. Nobody's being their neck like, hey, yo, we got to get this bread look over there you see doing what they do what we're doing let's go make her own doing you as a creative are like man it's looking like Denny with timmy and all the people around them looks like they got a singular force it's like one in a generation type vibe you don't see that or you see that the creatives are like yeah we got to get or the producer like yeah we got to get this bread studio has like yeah we got to get this bread how do we get this brain how do we

try to capitalize on the success of dude in our own I also see every single person in this cast that's like in their 20s like being christened as a movie coming out of this movie. This is the moment. Zendaya, like gold-plated. Austin Butler, as much as I hate to say it, that dude's got the juice.

As long as he talked like us. He got to talk like him. He's from Orange County. He's not Elvis. Hey, I see he's all he one-on-one. I know what you sound like. You weren't complaining when Drake was switching all the accents.

Let these actors fucking play these roles. First of all, first of all, first of all, absolutely was. Like, brother, man, you ain't never sound like this before. Drake got to go Afro beats. Don't know. That's the only one he hasn't tried yet.

Drake got to do a whole tape. This could bring Drake. This is what Drake should do. What brings him back? What's the playbook? Drake do a whole tape with Burnaboard. Do what was Drake in Future did? What time to be alive?

The next one should be, what a time to be in Lagos. Jesus Christ. Turn it off. Okay. Wait, so you're saying, you want him to double. You want him to double down on the colonizer accusations. Fuck it.

Like what time to be in Lagos is, is Drake and is Bernable. What a time. Be a lock, you know what I'm saying? That shit was, that was tough. He has to get,

you know, he needs to call up Doree. You know what I'm saying? Get really involved in the policy. Be like, get him really. Dore not taking that call. I don't think Dorey taking that call.

So keep him, 11 for Dune Part 2. I think Dune Part 2 is the definition of a 12. I couldn't, ambitious, artistically. Yeah, I'm not bad at it. Like, artistically amazing. And then also, what, 800 million? Am I overestimating?

What did it do? I think it's close to a billion. Yeah, close to a billion. Yeah, like 800 million bucks. Looks incredible. Oh my gosh. You guys see Wicked? Wow.

Yeah, so wicked. You saw what, y'all know you didn't see it. You didn't get a chance to see it yet? interesting. We talk about movies not looking good. They're, because I like the movie. I'm not a musical person as somebody

who like did musical theater and all that stuff. This is not, it's not vibing with me. But I tell you, man, I left that theater. I was like, wow, this is what it means, bro. Moves are back. I loved it. Have you seen the show? I love it. Have you seen the music? Okay, okay. I'm very curious to see how part two is

because there's a big consensus being like pretty much all of the great songs in that show. are in part one. Tough, he hates it. And, like, it's tough to sell. Like, okay, so Dune made 714 million worldwide. So, great. I still think, like, there's, like, maybe, I don't know, I still can't put my finger on

what keeps it from a 12th for me. But. Because you a hater. Yeah, maybe. But it's a, there's really just something that's undeniably cinematic about what movies can do with this as an 11 for me. and I'm like, I can't, I can't not recommend it to anybody. I think the thing that keeps it from the 12 is just the emotional component.

You don't think it was Christopher Walken being like, listen, Madib. No, that actually gives you a lot of things. I think Duke to is like literally like probably, if not the best, the best movie experience I've just saw. Like, it is just, I think it at some times can be like a very cold film. But that's, that's good. Listen to Gabe. All right, guys, we are back. Here are the Midnight Mulligans for TV coming in at night.

number 10, Netflix's Avatar, the last airbender. Van and Steve gave it a five, Jummy gave it a four, I gave it a two. I'm going to keep this very easy. I'll keep it a two. This is going down for me. This is going to a three. Oh, Steve.

Big Steve, let the people know. Bad. Is it bad? Yeah, it's bad. Because the average score that we originally had this at was a four. I don't know what to say about this because I, I'm so... Do you remember what happened?

I'm so sad that this is your first impression of Avatar The Last Airbender. I really am. Well, he's watched some of the cartoon series. A little bit. That shit is whack. So... We don't have time.

We actually don't have time. So I'm a... I got to leave it a five because I guess... You don't really have any strong feelings. Yeah, that's fine. You know what I mean? You're leaving it a five, even though you could not tell me what happened. I don't remember what happened.

That's fine. This is the yip-yip. Yeah, okay. Oh, all right. Secret tunnel. The Yipgipa. The Yipgit. But like, it's probably lower.

It's probably like a two, but I can't really, I got to be fair. I don't remember nothing about it. I don't need to think rationally about this. I remember too much about it. What did I put it as? Jomey, you added out of four. That's a three.

Yeah. So Steve and Jomey both went to a three. Yeah, it's a three. I kept it at a two. Van is keeping it out of five. Yeah. Now, this is going to be interesting. This is the toughest one.

This is the toughest one. The accolite. Our average score total for this was a five point. 5. Everybody gave it a 6 except to me. I gave it a 4. Then are you keeping an accolite at a 6?

It can't be a 6. Wait, why did you originally give it a 6th then? I did, here's the thing. Sometimes I don't know about y'all, I do feel bad when there's like series that are like getting ravaged. No, this was this was legitimately one of the biggest bummers of the year. Yeah.

Wait, wait. I still got a bummer in the sense that like the, like the things that we had, potential on the screen that we saw. There was stuff in there that was good. There was so much good stuff in here and it was just not capitalized on. We have to talk about it though, I think. And this is the perfect thing you talk about it.

Where are we coping? No, no, no, no. There were two episodes. There is a lightsaber. There are two lightsaber fights in this. Some of the best I've ever seen. That I think you could put in top 10 lightsaber fights in Star Wars. Yes, but remember when the show gets announced and we see the cast.

and everybody's like, okay, there's a black one on Star Wars, not mine Star Wars, and we start to cave, we were like, okay, no, well, let's watch a show, then we get to the end, and it's not exactly what we want.

Yeah. System coming there. Like, are we in there? Like, are we in protective? Or do we need to be honest with ourselves in this moment right now and shed all that and be like, this is what the show is,

this is what it was, we have to market the way it should be. I don't think that we weren't unaware of the show's flaw, as we were going through it. And I think that, like, it was really a roller coaster in the middle of that season

to think that we, oh, mate, wait, maybe this could stick the landing and, like, have some juice and left in the tank here. And it didn't.

And it was more befuddling by the fact that we just didn't, we, like, we saw the vision for a good portion of that middle half of that season. And it just could not

really get it together. And it really, really bumped to me. me out because there's so many good things that are in this show. There were so many good things in this show. There are a worse Star Wars TV show. Absolutely there are.

So four, I'm keeping mind out of four. I think that was fair then and it's fair now. Shit, well, if you rated a four is not that many worst Star Wars TV show. Shit. BobaFitt. So you think BobaFed, you would rank Beaufort lower than a four?

There's nothing as embarrassing as the fucking Power Rangers of Bobbeth. I'll be suspicious. When he did that little, twirl. Yeah. He was struggling. He had that thing.

I want to lower it, but I can't. And I'll tell you why I want. I feel like six is, when I looked at the score, I was very surprised that I gave it a six. But I'm trying to remember. I personally remember the high moments of the show being good enough to I think, I just said it can't be a six. The next one that we're about to do is definitely going down.

But I'm not like I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, Should we reveal what the next? No, no, no, no. Let's, let's hold on to that.

Okay. I think you're, you're right. The highs of the show are so high that that you hold on to that. You remember that? Yeah. But to your point,

oh my God, do the lows suck, bro. It really, it just hurt when the lows came after all the good. There are some nuggets in there. There are like,

you said scenes. And, and plot lines that are so interesting, so well thought out. Tantilizing to a Star Wars fan, truly. And the show does this thing where a man had this cool moment, this cool scene. You'd be like, bam, I'm waiting. Next week, I can't wait. It's a flashback, and we don't learn anything.

It was an immaculate one and a half episodes buried within another six. I think it was a little bit more than that. Two episodes? Like, there's extremely cool stuff in there. Yeah, I get it. And it's just buried under some like goop and slot that we didn't need. Yeah. Unfortunately.

So I'm going to stick with a six. Same here. I'm sticking with a six. We're all sticking with our scores. Yeah. Because I don't think you get like it's not, it's not as good as he wanted to be. And it's not as bad as like people thought it was. But at the same time, it hurts.

It hurts. That show should have been better. That show should have been way better. And honestly, frankly, I'm still kind of bummed that it doesn't get a second season because of all of the things that could have stood to be improved. upon knowing all the gripes that we've had like yeah fills throughout the noise not the start not my Star Wars in cell bullshit it's a new TV man if you had the chance to like listen to those critiques man you could have had something

alright so we're all staying with our original score meaning the average score for this is a 5.5 for the accolate this was cope all right next all right I don't know what the fuck we saw I don't know how I know we were this was cope this was co this was at number eight we all gave it a six for an average score say like okay I think it was the beginning of the year We didn't want to be mean

I also think that it wasn't as bad as we thought it was going to be True All we heard was terrible Yeah it wasn't as bad as what we thought it was going to be Daredevil came out real early And then it was stupid after that It's tough It's really tough

You know what It's the end of the year I'm okay with being an asshole I Yeah if I gave Avatar 2 I think this one might be This one might be a 30

I gotta go down a four I gotta go down a four Five I gotta go down a four five Ah man I feel really bad for this one It sucks man Like again this was a thing where you're like

Okay echo's cool Echo is fucking cool This show I never should have made Okay sure you're right How do you guys always get on me Where I'm just like why they make this This show about this character Nobody gets a fuck about you like this shit

No I never disagree with you when you said that I think that's actually really true. I think people, they, I think they misgaged the amount of not giving a, not giving the fuck. Saying that nobody cares about Black Panther is just a lot different than saying nobody cares about the Eternals. It's not the same. It's not the same. This was an all-time heat check from Marvel. They were like, oh, y'all like that character, the Hawkeye, right?

Don't you worry. Six episodes, boom. We got to. Did we like her in Hawkeye? She was cool. Somebody did clearly because they gave her six episodes. episodes on. I'm keeping, yeah, I think, I think keeping Echo, the, echo going, goes down to a five

for me just because, like, again, I could see the potential. Nah. I truly could. Alacko Cox, like, really has something, like, really compelling on screen when she's agreed. Agreed. And I really think that when she's doing her thing, it's just, she's really, really good with Charlie Cox on screen.

Like, you can't not say that that moment in the pilot with, those two interacting isn't dynamite because it is. You think she's getting called off for the Daredevil series or they're like, yeah. I bet you. Well, no.

Okay. Is Sheehold coming back for Daredevil? Yes or no. I don't think she all going to be in that bitch. What? I kind of want to. I don't think she'll go to be in that. I don't think she will be in that.

I don't think. Not hope that, but just like if she's there. Tata out of my life. Yeah, she'll be there. Y'all Hayden. She's going to be there. Because if she's not,

then Echoes. It would be an honest because this is the time. She also was terrible. Y'all, she also. I don't think it was terrible. I don't think it was terrible. She was terrible. I thought show was funny.

I do think there was some story mishaps. But in terms of like just a 30 minute like MCU comedy. Yeah. So to be real, our, our average for Echo went from a six to a four. Okay. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. All right. Now, for the boy season four, we had this show.

it average at a 6.75. Van, you gave it an 8, so did Joe me. Sticking with it. Steve gave it a 7. I gave it a 4. Yeah, I'm going to stick with a 4. My feelings about it are still the same. Yeah, despite the fact that it was

able to accurately tell the future. God damn it. I am definitely sticking with an 8. Like, I liked the season. It wasn't as good as past seasons, but I really liked it the season. I'm going to go down to only do a 6. just because that middle

parts of the season were just a bit of a slog. It took too long to get to something new. Damn, I thought I was going to be the one coming in here. Steve is like, this going down, this going down. Monkey Man is too radical. Oh my God. Show me.

I'm going to stick with an eight. I don't think there's nothing in my head that could demerit it to drop down. Yeah, besides the fact that it was completely right about everything that's wrong with this country. Yeah. Damn. All right.

So Van Jomey staying at an 8. I'm staying out of 4. Steve dropped it down to a 6. Invincible season 2. Van and Jomey gave it an 8. Steve gave it a 7. I gave it a 5. I'm going to be so real.

Invincible Season 3 is coming. Invisible season 3 is coming. You're out. I'm so out on this. I don't know why I gave it a 5. This shit is... Yeah, I think this shit has to be a three. Oh, geez.

I'm staying with eight. It was sloppy, very... The Mitch isn't break is the dumbest thing that's... Good to know that they'll never do that again. I actually re-watched. And it's good. The break fucked it. Yes.

And they threw a lot at us. But I'm going to stick with an eight with Invisible. I got to drop it down to a seven. And I'm really like, I cannot be this guy. Like, I do not want to be this dude. But I'll be watching some anime, man. And some of the fight scenes, the animation would go crazy. Whoa!

And I'd be looking at Invisible. I'd be looking like, yo, man, what's going on, bro? And can I tell you all something? I think this is another reason why. I'm sorry. Hey, Jome, you was watching Dondon. I was like, Invisible. I think that's another thing for me

is that I don't have a great frame of reference for like animation because it looks fine to me. But everybody complains about it. Like literally, I'm definitely wrong. Here's the thing. Because everybody complains about it. Yeah, if you watch more stuff, if you see some of the stuff that people are making,

like I saw Corey Kishin came back to YouTube and was like, yo, I'm working on this manga and hopefully because of anime, least in a cinematic little thing. It was cool, so. Yeah, I keep it at a seven. I love it. be there for season 3. You're out. I read

the comics. I can't wait to see what they do. But I just know there's another level they can reach and they, for whatever reason, have not done it. Yeah, it's for that exact reason that I keep it at a 7. So then Steve, keep their score at 8, 7. I went down from a 5 to a 3. Jomey went down from an 8 to a 7.

New score is an average 6.25 for Invincible Season 2. That's fair. All right. Number 5 and 4, interesting. Number 5, Agatha all along. Number 4 is Penguin. So for Agatha all along, Van Jomey had a nine

Steve gave it an eight y'all guessed that I would give it a five Van Jomi still feeling that it's a nine Wait wait wait wait what did you get What are you gonna give it? Oh I'd like to go last Are you?

I want to hear I want to hear what you guys Just let him get to it I'm at a nine You're still at a nine You're still at a nine Jomey Bray this up to a tab Ooh

Oh What changed So Jomster We talked about at and how that show, A, nobody asked for it. And B, who cares? Right. Like, just legitimate.

Yet another, yes. This was the show when they first announced it. I was like, yo, get this out of my face, man. I don't care. Like, this is legitimate. Like, I liked Agatha in WandaVision. I don't need eight episodes of her, like, at all. Like, I can live my life without knowing more about Agatha Harkner.

I will be cool. Yeah. Right? This show came out, and I was like, yo, I need more. Lock me in. Every week, I was like, lock me in. Catherine Allen's got it. You know what I'm saying?

Like, it's just something that I didn't know I needed in my life. In fact that I got it, I'm very grateful that I was open and accepting to new things. Yes. You know what I'm saying? And so, for that reason, like, specifically, besides the fact that the show was awesome, it was funny. It was well acted, well directed. With, again, remember that scene where they're flying over the moon with the broomsticks and stuff? That was, they did that like puppetry and stuff like that.

You know what I mean? Like, that was it? Like, this is the kind of stuff. stuff that more, like, we should see more of in this space. And so, yeah, I got a, I got a bum it up, man. All right. That's something to me. Steve, are you putting this up for me?

I keep it in a name. I had a great time with this. Really, really did. Like, again, it's very surprising how much I ended up liking this, knowing that, like, did not need this in my life at all before this happened. And I'm, I'm so pleasantly surprised. Charles. So I'm going over my scores right now.

So I got the boys out of four, invincible at a three. to act like out of four. Yeah, a generous year from you. Echo out of three. Netflix is Avatar at a two. Oh, boy. And y'all said I would give this a five. Yeah.

I did enjoy the boys more. So I got to give it a four if I'm going to be fair. Okay. We were running on there. You know, you guys, it was actually going to be a five. But now that I was looking at the boys, I did have to kind of compare of like, which one would I want to watch?

Which would you watch more? If if the boys is a five, then this one can't be a five. So, Agatha, so keeping it out of a nine for Van. Jomi went up to a 10. Steve's staying at an 8. I'm going down to a 4 for 7.75. I'll tell you one thing that we did. We definitely overestimate your score on this next one.

Let's get. Damn. All right, Penguin, Van Jomi at a 10. Steve's out of 9. Y'all guessed that I'm at a 6. Van Jomi are y'all keeping it out of 10? I'm upping it to a 10. You're upping it to a 10.

No, this is like I rewatched that like the last four episodes the other day. It was really good. I'm keeping it. No, because here's the thing I'm fair. I'm very fair. I'm going to be honest with you. You're going to say some bullshit. I don't think you finished it. I definitely didn't finish it. I'd finish it either. What the fuck? What's the

part of the exercise? You can watch the shit. That is part of the exercise because if I enjoyed it, if I enjoyed it enough of finishing. Keep this out. Hey, do not take this out. Hey, do not take this out. Like, keep this to the podcast.

He didn't finish. This is unsurious. How's that I'm serious? That's one of the score. He didn't. No, no, no, no. You can't watch like this. It didn't miss it.

You want to watch? No, you can't watch three fours in a movie. I'm at the restaurant. You know what I'm saying? What's the Ratatouie? Uh, critic nigger name? Antoneigo. You know what I'm saying?

I took one bite. I was like, damn, I kind of want to spit this out. And I just didn't want to finish the meal of Agatha Earl Penguin. But you guys, I love y'all. Y'all, y'all my boys. y'all said I would guess a six. And it is pretty close. If I gave Agatha a four.

From all the stuff you've watched. This year? This answer to this. Chuck, how much of Penguin did you watch? How much, how far did you get? Y'all know how I went on vacation. Nigger. How much of it did you watch?

Literally, like, the last, whatever was the last episode that I left before vacation. So I think the last thing, the last thing I saw was, it was the flood. Wait, no, it was after that. When Sophia gassed everybody? Sophia gasped everybody, but then Penguin was fucking mad, and then they revealed that they had like an underground layer.

Oh, okay. So you got, you got to like five. Yeah, you had like two, three left. Like, oh, God. I literally, like, last night, I'm not going to hold, y'all. I was like, yeah, I'm going to do it. I'm going to finish Agatha.

I'm a finish penguin. Nick, I turned on a boardchlorator. Inadmissible. So I'm giving this. You guys were close, though. You guessed that I would give it a six, and I think, to be fair, I would have to give it a five.

There you go. five didn't we have to like for Agatha and Panguin when what was it five four that's but here's the thing that's that's part of the score what Jamie you're keeping a 10 that's a DNF though that's for you and no here's a thing it didn't that's asterisk

shows to me weren't entertaining enough for me to want to fetch them what guys can we be honest I'd like and I be honest Mr. serious critic doesn't even finish the whole thing walked out three fours in the movie was like

hey shit man I saw it. Here's my review with a movie. I don't know everything I needed to see. I'm gonna keep it real. I'm happy that he kept the real on that. Yeah.

I'm not gonna lie to y'all. There you go. No, you definitely won't. That means something, man. There's a lot of me, man. Yeah, he's cooked. A lot of people, a lot of people, I appreciate that show. Wow.

All right, our top three, this is actually going to be really interesting. Because our top, our third pick was house. of the dragon. Then you gave it a 10. The Mimp Boys both gave it a 9. I gave it an 8. Here's a thing. I do feel like we were a little harsh on House of the Dragon.

I think so too. Because I think we were comparing it to Game of Thrones and the other season. And like where it ended, I think we were like, oh, fuck this. They cheated. Like, they got on the last episode. You know what I'm saying?

I can't say that. That's offensive. Just let them fucking talk. No, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Joe, you think I'm tripping. Ah, Jesus Christ. Wait, we can't say that? You can't say that. Oh, shit, we can't say that.

We can't say that out. I didn't know if that was a bad word. You can't say that. It's fine. It's fine. Sorry, I didn't know we weren't a lot to say that anymore. People are not going to be mad at you because you 45 and shit. They're going to be mad at you.

Yeah, no, thank you. Leap that out. Anyway, we got robbed. I mean gypsies y'all know. I was being for real, bro. Do you shout of this. Do you shout of this. He tried to have my back.

He tried to have my back. It's fine, man. Okay, it's fine. Go ahead. You got to start from the beginning. All right. I felt like we were a little harsh on House of the Dragon because the season finale did not end where we wanted it to. But I'm looking at the rest of this year.

I had it at an eight. I got to go nine. This is the only one you've gone up on. Man, man. Maybe in the history of Mulligans. No. No. Whoa.

I definitely, I didn't go up on anything else. I did you go up on. I did you go up on to something to that. I definitely went, whoa, oh, Fiorosa, Mad Max. Okay, okay. Come on, don't do you like that, Steve. No, no, no.

And we're going to be honest, I stayed the same for most of these. Yeah, I think most people, I think we, we're getting better at this year over year. No, you're invisible from a five to a three. I don't know what you were on there. So, I'm saying the same with, I had a 10. You can't go any higher than 10.

I really thought it was a fantastic season. Yeah. Now, all the criticisms for, for the abrupt ending of the season and how they didn't give us as many episodes, all of those keep it from being an 11 to me. Sure. Because they had a lot of stuff going and they did a lot of stuff right.

I don't know why they didn't invest as much as they did for the first season. Brokeys. It had to have been something because... Also, strike stuff, right? No. Strikes and stuff, but like, yeah, maybe. No, I think the strikes heavily, heavily, heavily. Sure.

But it's, man, I really hope they come back for 10 next season because I think to know that they would have to like they really peddled too fast to lead to the finish line to eight feels tough I still keep this at a nine for me it's still great

it's still really really like head and shoulders above a lot of TV that I've seen this year I think I think so you're saying the penguin is better than House of the Dragon yeah I had a better time with that I did I think that's I think that's fair I'd have to stick with the 9-2.

I do think, I think Game of Thrones in general just needs 10 episodes. We talk about House of Dragon season one versus season two. And you even think about Game of Thrones when they started going to like seven episodes, six episodes, falls off a little bit. You kind of need more episodes to flesh some stuff out

in that world because it's just so, I'm saying exhibition, but a lot of people talk, it's a lot of conversations, a lot of these relationships that make it worth it when they start fighting and when they start killing each other. And so, yeah, hope they get back to 10. Do we think that Damon was fucking around in Harenhall too long?

Hell yes. He wouldn't have been had they had a couple of, a couple more episodes to get to the end of it. But if they did it the way that they did it, you could argue that that's the- biggest complaint that I can remember when it was happening. And even then, I'm like, it was a little, sure, it was a little stationary. It was a little bit like. But isn't the book, doesn't he go to Herald? It's like half of the chapter.

Yeah, we don't know what the hell he did. Which, honestly, is so funny to me because he, he was a little bit. because he comes back from Heron Hall in the books and it's just like, yep, didn't really have that tough of a time. Like, no, nobody, no problems here. Right? And so then you just, what, cut Matt Smith out of the show for how it be episodes? Yeah, you can't do that.

These are the questions that you have to answer when you're adapting. Exactly. All right, so House of the Dragon, Van Jomey, Steve staying the same. I upped my score to a 9 now for the number two TV show of the year. This X-Men 97. Van and Jomey are at a 12. Steve's out of 11. and honestly, I'm very surprised.

I gave this a very fair score of a six. I was ready to fight you. I was legitimately ready to fight you. Speak. Where you at, my man? Actually, I'm not even lying to y'all. I need some time. I really didn't think.

I didn't have any ulterior motives before I came in here. I really got to think. All right, here's what I'll say. I don't get the game changer. I will say, similar to the other 12 we gave out, I don't see the game changer still. Brother man, they may, so there's been a couple of, the original X-Men TV show.

Wolverine the X-Men, X-Men Evolution. Like, they've made X-Men on TV before, it's not the first time. Yeah. Right? This show is the, I want to say, the first time I've seen the X-Men adapted to, like, real life

in a way that I've never seen before. That was, week in and week out, they would surprise us, they would shock us, they would make us feel something. in a medium that people don't really like me, we fuck with animation.

General at large, like, all right, cool, it's animated. Chris Ryan's in the world. Like, all right, y'all animated that joint. I'm going to leave that alone. That, I don't want to be hyperbolic about it. I don't want to be hyper-provosed to you, brought one of your words.

That's like one of the single greatest television achievements I've seen it a long time. I think, in terms, to his point, I think, um, dramatizing the X-Men experience from comic book page, to moving media has not been done better in live action or anything. And so that's the game-changing element of it to me. And to make the comic book leap off the page into something that you were consuming

in that was it 30 minutes the shows were? I thought it was fantastically done. And I thought that it's actually another reason why it's a game changer to me. It's as a blueprint for how to attack the, portrayal of the X-Men going forward. Yeah. I think it's sublime. I think it feels like a standard bear for serialized comic book storytelling in a visual medium,

like straight up. That like week to like, like, not only on like a weekly adventure, but like seemingly adapting and carrying over storylines that are both known to us and giving us fresh new twists and interactions and conversations from characters that we wanted to see desperately, like we were coming home to some old friends is incredible to me. Are you going up to a 12 then?

No, I'm saying at 11. I'm saying at 11. Every week you're like, man, I don't know how they'll top that and they just kept doing it. Yeah. It just kept doing it. Like, I don't know what else to say.

Goblin Queen, call me. Hmm. Man, you know. Never be in the allegations, buddy. I'm not going to belabor this point. I think I was pretty fair when I originally gave it a six in the preceding months, I think.

yeah, I'm going to stay fair. I think I'm only going to dock at one point. So I think I'm going to go to a five. All right, bro. What? Yeah, you're not being serious. What? It's okay.

You don't, you don't, you don't book. You don't, you don't, go, go, go, go, go. Yeah, yeah, you know what you want. All right, man. Can we not be honest? If I wasn't, if I wasn't with three great employees of mine, I would legitimately crash out. Hey, brother, you're not, right.

You're not a single individual. I would, I would lose my mind. You're not taking this seriously. No, I don't want you a lot. I don't want you a lot. It's cool. You're not taking this. I just went down here.

We all came out. It's my score. It's living fun. Kermin in the booth ready to fight you right now. This is not, Jesus. Didn't watch, did finish, did finish the penguin.

X-Men 97 is a five. Yeah, you're here for the jokes. It's cool. It's cool. You know, you all let me have my tab bar. You know what's really funny?

People will be like, yo, man. The reason the NBA, the reason to emby you don't show your hairline. The reason to you don't be. The reason the NBA's in trouble is because of Chuck and them. You're not watching the games, man.

You complain about the games you're not watching. I'm watching. It's really great to know that we're bookending the year with the exact same attitude that we had. Oh, my God. You're talking to the point. Just you docking to point. No, I'm not.

Why are you dogging it? Because once again, once again, I ain't wanted to. watch one single set. I didn't re-watch that shit. I had to thought about that shit. Jesus Christ. It's just not for me. Even when it's not for me. It's not for me.

The five, here's the thing. The five is accounting for the episodes that I did like in the moments that I did like. Like what? Jesus Christ. The night crawler fucking bamping and shit, the way they did that shit. There were a couple different fight scenes that I was like, oh shit. Like I've never seen the X-Men

fight like this, even in the cartoons. When Emma Frost was stirring shit. Yeah, but. fucking rolling. Gambit sacrificed at the fireplace. Gambit's sacrifice to the end of episode five. Flatline. No, no, no.

That's why I get to five. Remember it. Man. Once again, all of these great moments heard. Yeah. You watched 2012. You watched 2012. Messy score 90 plus goals was like, that shit was cool.

God. It was cool. Do y'all want me to be? Do y'all want me to be? Okay. See, y'all want me to be honest or y'all want me. No, no. I would never.

I would never. I would never. You didn't like the show. just the hilarity of. I gave a six I'm only going to go down one Like it's just some fucking show To me it is

All right man To me it is I'm sorry guys Our number one show Let's go out on a good note here Our number one show of the year We'll see if it stays this way It's Shogun

Van Jomi And I gave it at 12 Steve gave it 11 And I think kudos Like Van had this shit marked at the beginning he's like, this shit too successful, they'd make in a second seat.

He was telling us. Yeah, yeah. So I do think for that reason, it's a game changer. Just not, most of this is not spoken in English. Nobody was checking for this shit before it came out. It's honestly, if it's not my, if it's not number one,

it's in my top three TV shows just in general of the year, had an amazing time with this. So I'm sticking, I'm sticking with a 12. Definition of 12. Yeah. Like, critically, commercially, artistically, bananas. Like definition of a 12 star making. Another, we should

also take into consideration when we're, in my opinion, when we're talking about 12s, is what kind of stars and entities are made out of this? Like it or not, out of X-Men 97, there has been a star that has been made. All right. We almost got through the whole episode, man. I mean, that nigger relevant.

And so, and so I'm just saying, Y'all don't know. Nobody knows what happened. Why is everybody so upset? But so, and then, like, Shogun has revived some really great careers and added juice to them, but there have also been some stars that have been made in Shogun. Shogun is about as successful a television launch as you can have short of the first season. Went crazy on the awards.

Short of the first season of Game of Thrones, which is probably, you know, it's a different time at TV watching this. Yeah. For all those reasons, tomorrow I'm going with the 12. I think this show. Just completely and utterly changed my Tuesday nights and how I was operating this year. I wasn't thinking about Shogun. It was one of those things, hey, I got to peep this show.

You're watching, you're like, holy snap, this is literally the favorite thing I've ever watched ever. I mean, we talked about it on the 90-nights list that we did a while back, but just Yabushiga, Fujisama, Anna Suwa. I call me, like, the entire thing was just fantastic. And so, like, yeah, it's a 12. So we're all staying out of 12. Steve, are you staying at 11 or are you uping it? It's up to 12.

Hey! Come on. We watched this shit again. No, no, no. No, I rewatch this shit again. I think this was in the summer, like, well after this. And I was, like,

outside of, like, House of the Dragon, like, I love shows that kind of have its juice in the penultimate episode and then have an epilogue type of episode like this. This is probably, like a

it's a perfect dismount for a show. I'm still kind of disappointed that they're making more. Now they got to bring back my article summer. But I get it. I get why. Again, it's far too successful. But like if this is all that we were to ever get like this is a perfect season of television. It's absolutely sublime.

Now I have a question for you guys before we move on. You guys like it so much but you're upset that they're making more of them. Yeah. Why? It's it's the thing where like it will like if this was all that we ever got, it would never have the opportunity to overstay its welcome.

It can never like dilute the product. Farbe got where these... And that's not to say that it couldn't be something great in season two. Yeah. But I think it's going to have a similar problem that I think House of the Dragon ran into when it's like when you go from having a lot of material to work with to almost none at all,

it's when the pen, you like that you got to work on real stuff. Not to say that like adapting something isn't, like a skill or a craft in television writing that isn't a hard thing to do. They made an amazing show out of this. Can you do it again? But like as far as I know,

and I've read the books now, like that is the story of the books. And that to me is told perfectly in this show. And then if you want to go past that, now you're just an uncharted territory. It's on you guys now to make something that's just as compelling. I mean, honest, I think that's one of the problems that's hurting the MCU now.

It's like the story. stories that we really wanted to hear, there's not as... We're running out. We're running out of them. I mean, there's... Number one, I disagree with that. I think a lot of the stories that are

a big deal in the MCU might be a little difficult to adapt. Like, Secret Wars is a lot. That is a lot. That is a lot. But no, no, but I'm talking about the classic runs have kind of been stripped for parts at this point.

I mean, maybe, but like, there are a lot of things that they kind of haven't gotten into and there's just so, the comics are so dense. Like, you know, there's never going to not be a story. But I know what you're saying, but they're like, so dense. I just, I just kind of always want more show. I get it. If something's good, I just always want more show.

It's weirdly, I had the same take when I saw the first season of the bear where I'm like, don't make more. You know, it's so odd. I know, but I lean to, I lean to Steve more. I saw the first season of the bear and I'm like, don't make more. Don't ever make more because you just made a perfect thing and you'll, and like,

I don't know if I can ever be done again. Y'all care so much about the ecosystem of, y'all care about the art, but y'all don't want, these actors don't want to. I get it. No, no, no, I'm saying, I'm not telling you. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, let me say. These actors want to keep working. I get it.

These producers want to keep working. These networks want to keep working. Yeah. They don't want to, hey, there's no such thing as an actor sitting around going, hey, we made an amazing thing for one season. Yeah. So next year, I want to audition. And I'm saying, and I'm saying,

in my perfect world, Mark Hamill would never have to work another day in his life because he was Star Wars in 1977. Like that's all that I would have wanted. Like, that he would never need to. I think the difference for me, I don't think the bear is a good example, but I'm like, for a lot of these TV shows, I'm just like, they got one foot

in, one foot out. If you're really a TV show, then, you know, drop every fucking year. Like, like, give me that. A lot of these, like, actors are just like, yeah, we make it more and then I got to wait three or four years. And I'm like, well, fuck, I don't want this. The bear doesn't do that, but No, I'm saying that's coming out in like five minutes.

But like that was a problem with Atlanta. By the time Atlanta came out, you was like, damn. Well, they did. They had it at first, but then after that, they was like, well, everybody blew up. That, that's a group that put themselves first. Yes, yes. They were like, we don't go do these movies. You'll get Atlanta when you get Atlanta.

I got to go do Sponteman Homecoming. That was a group that they were like, yo, we popping and we're going to go get to it. I got to go blow up here. She made in Eternals. I got to go all of the man. Redbone about to drop. like it says I got to do Megatron all that Ozzy Beach is like I gotta go be Deadpool too

Yeah but it almost seems like with that show And we never talked about it when we were doing our Amazingly and critically acclaimed recaps of Atlanta Is that they had almost seems like they had a pact to do that Yeah yeah no that's like they're coming together like we will finish A lot of them a lot of them that was their launching pad And it seemed like everybody got so high that they had a pact that we're going to go do our thing.

But I think they also understood it was a cultural show. In a way that, like, Friends is, like, Friends is popping. But I'm like, there was other white people shows like that. Atlanta is not the first black show ever. But it was the first where it was like, oh, people are taking this, like. Real seriously. Critics are taking this seriously. But, like, rejoice.

Like, I told you guys it was going to be more shows. I hope that it's great. But I would have fired everybody if I was Disney. And then they went out of recast show going with all new actors. Yeah, there's a problem with Star Wars because you're like, I always want more and then they give it until you, like, God damn. Not like this.

Not like this. You think you don't want more. But the same people that are like, they don't want more Star Wars have been complaining that there hasn't been a Star Wars movie since the last Skywalker or whatever. And y'all hated that one. Because it was bad, so.

Right. And it was kind of bad. Right. And so, but you want to get kicked in your nuts again. And guess what? The odds of it getting better, staying that good all the time, get lower and lower after every single season. Speaking of getting kicked in the nuts,

can I go over, this is our official best of the year with our scores. In last for movies, Madam Webb has an average score of 1.5, then it's Joker for all you do with 2.75. Craven has a 3. Benham the Last Dance has a 5.25. Godzilla versus Kong has a 5.5.

Gladiator 2, 5.75. Deadpun and Wolverine, the same, so they're tied. And then our top four is Furiosa and Monkey Man tied at 7.25. Kingdom of the Planet of the Ypes comes in at number two at 7.5. And Dune Part 2 is an 11.25. That is our best movies of the year. Then for TV, let's see.

All right. Last is Echo. Damn. No, last is Avatar. Oh, wait. No, last is Avatar at a 3.25. Echo is out of four now. The Ackolite is out of 5.5.

Invincible Season 2. is a 6.25. The boys is a 6.5. Agatha all along is 7.75. Penguin is an 8.75. Then our top three is House of the Dragon 9.25. X-Men is a 10. Shogun is a 12. How are we feeling? She's feeling great. X-Men is just getting fucking hated on, baby. By one person. By one thousand. That's so funny.

That's so funny to me. Y'all don't want me to be real. No, I want you to be real. That moment was worth it. No, I need it. Oh, my God. That's a wrap. Next Monday, the Ring averse recommends comes to you with their December recommendations. Did you guys have good stuff to recommend the December?

I did. Yeah, you did. Yeah, you do. So what's up there for you? I'm not going to spoil the recommendations. That's true. I don't want to spoil it. I know what I'm doing.

Also, next week, Min Edition is back with Jess Clements. Talk about the things they missed in 2024. Any hints of stuff that you? you guys missed? Me with that bullshit. No. Oh my God. I don't know.

It's going to be found out. That was so wet. This is why you keep me here up. That was so white. Curm. Is Kerr going to be back next week? Yeah. 2035.

Just going to be an empty chair. Hold our dishes. Come to spot a lot. It's me in the corner just like sitting silently because I'm in timeout. Christ. Oh. Our producers of our Jonathan, soon to be fourth chair, Kermah. Oh, right.

The SSOB Zanaris. Oh, we are so happy to have Steve back. Jomey these playing a dinner on our socials. Hashtag double Jomey 7. Oh, because remember the beginning. We're talking about me being a Nigerian operator. Double Jome 7. They call me 007.

Zero kills, zero assist, seven deaths. If you were a Nigerian agent, shouldn't it be Agent 619? 419. 149. You're not. You're an Asian. I'm a prince. Send me buddy.

Why do they call it 419? I have no idea. Why is that what it's called? Maybe it's the phone number. I don't know. An additional production from Arjuna Ramga Pal. Chuck, take us out. Midnight Bulligans is a wrap.

And the boys are still alive. I'm an honest critic. The 97 is now five. I got to say something real quick. I don't know. Wait, wait, wait, wait. We already got a good shadow. Cut it.

I got what, what? No, no, let him go. Let's go. Let's go. Like, so I'm deep into the heavy spoilers, new rock stars, uh, screen crush. Yes. World.

I like all of those things. Mm-hmm. It seems as if to me that there are a lot of people right now that are taking shots of new rock stars. What's going on? Just a lot of different. stuff. I'm seeing a lot of negative new rock stars energy. I still fuck with new

rock stars. Do you watch them? Yeah, no. They're a great show. I watch every Ringer video 20 times and then I check them out. Why can't... Why... I can't your hold space for both is what you're saying. I am only space for both. Why can't we say that we like to watch some other content? I do say that. Charles, what you two content creators

do you watch? Oh, shit. Uh, a lot of cooking. A lot of cooking shows. Action Bronsonsonson. Fuck, that's delicious. Oh, you like him? A lot of... Matheson's good, too. Yeah, a lot of Japanese, like, architecture, like, showing me their, like, little fucking,

their homes that they are super fucking well-designed shit. A lot of... What? What? What? You watch interrogation videos. Why are you looking at him like that? Yeah.

A lot of people watch those. Yeah, a lot of people watch those. But Charles, you always on... You always on some, like, you know, anime, Far East type shit. What black shit do you watch on, on YouTube? too. Oh, I've gotten really into fucking, like, Cameron fucking talking shit.

But he's my guess. I mean, like, I went back and watched the camera on and Mace. At locks versus. Right. Like, Cam, you all, do y'all know about the lore of Cam and all Cam's different

beefs and situation coming up? He's had a lot of beef. And so, like, the fact that they're, like, doing the show together means something. Yeah, but they were friends. They were brothers. Like, not like by the but brothers. Yeah, yeah.

And then they came back. But the infamous call to Hot 97 with Cam and Jim Jones when Mace is up there giving an interview, you would have never thought that they had have been back cool like they cool right now. Really? Oh, my God. Have y'all ever heard this? I haven't heard it. Oh, my God.

Mace is giving an interview. What year was this? It's on 2004, 2003. Mace is giving an interview on Andrew. Martinez's show and um or maybe it's miss Jones whatever whoever it is whatever show it's on they do this thing that they used to do in new york now on hot 97 where it's like oh you're saying some about people hey just let you know we got jim Jones on the phone oh yeah and then he goes would you like to talk to him and mason's like sure i would like to talk to him and then they'd get them on there

and you would have never thought that these guys would have been cool or good after this but actually if you listen to it jim was super mad at at Mace and you could tell that Cam and Maze really had you and you went in love for each other. Because Cam wouldn't even trying to go at Mace as hard as what Jim was. But now that Cam is at the age

now where I'm just like, I understand why Dipset and everybody was always beefing with you. Like, why you say that? How he breaks down, how the verses happened and why they lost is some of the funniest shit that he's like, we was trying to go on tour.

Then niggas was fighting on stage and that shit got canceled. That's why I was just like, bro, why are you blowing up Tipset's spot, bro? The only, I will say this, my favorite interview of all time is when I got to interview Dipset. And I realized I was just like, this is why y'all not together. Who all was there from Dipset? Oh, well, it was a very inebriated Juel Santana and Freaky Ziki.

Freaky Ziki. Cam did not show up. Okay. Jim Jones was off somewhere. There was a lot of fucking weed smoke in the room. And I was just like, you know what, guys, you are legends. But I think that. I'll tell you one thing.

Whether they come together, pause, as they would say or not. The dipset movement, the movement of dipset when they had what they was doing, man, they had niggas in Baton Rouge wearing pink t-shirts and all of that stuff. That dipset cultural, that dipset cultural movement was something different. All right. So before we get off this, because, Joe, you're too young. The Cam, Camm, Mace, Jim's. What are the best people calling up at the...

Oh. Ray J's the number one. Ray J is the best. Okay. So these are the best people calling up. a radio show ever calling in Everton. Ray J. For the Breakfast Club. Ray J. In the Breakfast Club. Crazy.

Amazing. Cam and Jim calling up Mace. Crazy. When the locks were on Angie Martinez and Puff called because the locks were on Andrew Martinez and they were mad about their deal with Bad Boy and then Puff Call crazy.

Okay. This wasn't a call. Shout out Charlemagne. But when Charlamagne got run up on. outside the God damn What? That was a legendary actual violence

It was funny Sound like that So that There was another one Where the locks were up there Either the locks were up there And 50 called them Or 50 was up there

And the locks called What was the one with 50 In the game When he called up to Hot 97? Oh that was different So that was when So the game wasn't with the G unit anymore

And the G unit was up there and they asked what was up with game is he with the G unit and they said nah man it was like what is the game stand with the G union it was like around the corner like blah blah blah blah but the funniest interview ever the funniest interview straight up in hip hop history ever rest in peace combat jack right rest and peace combat jack dame dash is on combat jack's show and is dame dash combat jack premium Pete and Just Blaze, a legendary hip-hop producer. Dame and Just Blaze apparently had some issues or whatever.

Of course. And somehow this entire interview comes back to the fact that Dame at some point saw Just Blaze wearing a fake New York Jets jersey. Fake Jets jersey. A fake Jets jersey. This is what Dane claims. Now, I don't think that it was actually a fake Jets jersey. I think it just wasn't the jersey that the players were on the field.

Right. And so for some reason, Dane, and this is the kind of, you guys got to look, I know this is all be post-graders. Sometimes at like the way a nigga can play with your head. And that's why I really learn from this issue. So Dane is, and Just Blazers are going back and forth, and Dane goes, you know, just like the time. When?

You had the fate New Year's jet jersey on. And right away, Just Blaze is triggered. Right away he's triggered. He remembers this, this story on a really, really... And then it's immediately about that. And then the rest of the whole time, Dame is like, he's very calm, but he's fucking with Just Blaze. And Just Blaze could never get... And Jet Blaze, legendary, there's not a diss on him.

But that is the funniest fucking thing. It's just to know that you know exactly what to say to somebody just to set them off. Yeah, and then because Combat Jack and Premium Pete, they didn't know what was going on. They had no clue what was going on. It's like, what is about this Jets jersey? And apparently, just real quick, Dame had had Just Blaze in the studio for a long time. And they had something they had to go to. So Just Blaze just went to Models and bought a Jets jersey.

But it wasn't the authentic Jets jersey. So Just Blaze, so, so, so Dane. It's like, yeah, it's like when I saw you with the fake jersey on, now after my tutelage, I know that you have value for real jerseys. And it's just, if y'all want to laugh, bro, if y'all want to laugh, it's funny. That was a classic era of shit like that. The breakfasts got a bunch of them too. Well, Birdman, no one called out for that, but the Birdman was.

Birdman insanely. Soldier Boy, the first Soldier Boy? The first Soldier Boy? Drake. All of that stuff. But back in the day, they used to make these moments, and it would be on the radio. They called you, hey, Puff, what do you think? The locks are here saying that they got robbed.

And then there's Jada yelling at Puff and the whole nine is funny. There used to be a channel called Hela Classic on YouTube that would have all of these, but I think they shut the channel down because I think most of that shit is probably copyrighted. Don't get me started on Pepsi when he called the Atlanta radio station, too. Is it me, yakey, a bond number of vines. You're going to smell my cologne. Okay, anyway.