The Ringer-Verse - Blackest Movies Draft | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: February 19, 2025

The Boys are back to draft the Blackest movies (08:39)! Each of them picks their favorite Black movies from five different categories: ’90’s hood, comedy, action, drama, and wild card! Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris, Jonathan Kermah, and Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This, of course, the Ringers' nexus podcast, feed for all things. We are. Steve, the architect, Almond, the builder, and tinker of things. Part of the Cardigan collection. Charles Wood a Cardigan a little while ago. Now you're into the Cardigans. It's a great fit. Don't hit on the Cardigans.

What's wrong? I'm fucking with it. I love a good cardigan day. We should have a Cardigan Day. Because you know what looks good? A Cardigan with a cowboy hat. Oh, really? Looks good.

Makes you look like John Dutton. Oh, wow. Oh, right. Can I ask this, what's the next evolution for you? If you have to pick another hat in a couple of years, what's the next hat? You know what hat I'm not going to get? Pecky Blinder's hat? No, the peeky blondeest hat is actually dope, but I can't pull it off.

You've got to be like an Irish curmudgeon to get that. We need to, I personally want a moratorium on those hats. I'm done with those hats. You don't like them. You're not doing the, I'm a white man's nigger hat. Like that hat that those, the guys wear and you know that they married to white women. Oh. What? You know these hats?

The hat comes on like that. The dude he's wearing like that. He's like a, he's good, he's like 48, 47, he's in good shape. Yeah. And he's got the hat and the hat with the white brunch nigga hat. White brunch nigga hat. I don't even know what hat this is. It's that, it's the hat.

It's like, I don't, I don't want to say specific names. It's not a, it's not a hat. It's like a, it's kind of a fedora. I know what you're talking about. I know, yeah. I know what you're talking about. I'm going to show you. It's fedora adjacent.

Hold on. I'm going to show you somebody wearing the hat. I'm not going to. One of these? nah not quite because that the bills flipped up in the back what black brand are you trying to protect i'm trying to protect somebody i don't i'm trying to protect somebody okay this is okay no name is don't show this that's the hat oh yeah

that's the hat you know that's a i have three mixed children now i got the yeah that's the white man's nigger hat all right like and by the way that guy is not that i just showed you but when I see somebody wearing that hat around in preparation for this you want to know what hat you need what do they call the Malcolm X hat he has with the like the pyramid joint hold on I got to show you out a picture of a nigga in New Orleans I took wearing this hat

oh right wait a minute I got to show you out Is this pod friendly can this be shown Probably not I don't think Let's not put in my glass right like that Damn wait a minute did I Put a smiley emoji on his face

Then I get the photo. Oh, shit. I don't think. Oh, here it is. Look. Oh, my God, dude. Like you see him. Oh, okay.

Dick Tracy. I was just talking to a friend of mine about the hat. That's the hat. That's the one. Yeah. Like a Cam, yeah. Like a bunch of stuff. But Cam, Cam,

but Cam, but Cam, you can't say that about Cam. No, no, I'm not saying. Yeah. It's the whole fit, though. Yeah. It's the whole fit.

All right. We can talk about Cam. That shit is. You don't fuck with it. Okay, cool. You won't say that in a person. He's got questions. He's got answers.

Old man, Van, here the receding resurgent Hairline and code baby Chuck The 24-carried closer together. We are known as I thought midnight boys. We got the midnight collective working in the back. I saw Kai.

Is Kai back there still? Kai left. Did Kai tell you? What? My man coming to L.A. Oh, Kai's moving L.A.? That's interesting. That's interesting.

That's going to up the competition around here. That's somebody immune to the whole situation. Up the competition around here. About to get like the spicy here. It might be, because we could consolidate. We could. Oh, no. We got to lay her.

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It's like, we're really tuned in to the fact that assholes run all of those things, as if assholes haven't run all of the things always. They're just so public about it. Yeah, it's shameless now. It's Front Street. I feel like the rich people, they would fuck over our lives, but they're a little bit more tasteful with it. They like, we don't got to be so front-facing with this shit. I can see what you mean.

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Next week we'll be back. But on today's show, we are drafting the blackest movies. The blackest movies draft. Our commitment to February continues. Everywhere else, people might be striving to make things less black. Not here on the Midnight Boys. And also to the Midnight Writers and Midnight Mob, special thanks for all the support. Because we've been cranking out some ideas that, you know,

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That's a layer. When are we going to get Dylan on the show? That's a good question. What's his new film, Twinless? Twinless. We should cover Twinless. We should cover Twinless. Dylan.

If we cover TwinLis, you got to come on the show, man, even via Zoom, but more so in person so Alleyer can get a hug. Alia, would you give Dylan O'Brien a hug? Can you guys, like, stop? She got it. She's a little, but she, she's like a little, she was a little. All right, can we get to the show? Blackest movies. Spoiler warning for.

All the black movies. Oh, before we go, before we get to black movies, I got a shout out Lamour Morris. Yay. Oh, yeah. Lomorne looked at our blackest movies tally, and he was like, I guess I'll take my accolades and go home

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But Chuck, tell everybody what it is that we're doing and what the categories are. All right. So a while ago, one of I think our most successful podcast was the whitest movies draft. And in honor of Black History Month, we decided let's do the Blackest movies draft. But before we get into it, we were having a little pre-pod meeting. Yeah. Yeah. And I think what's interesting is it was way.

easier for us to decide what a white movie is, obviously because white people get a lot more chances at that. Blackest movie draft, we were having a little bit of an argument. Now, you had a really good point. You said there are three things that you deem make something a black movie. Yeah. What were that?

Theme, audience, intent. Okay. Right. Actually, theme audience intent, uh, theme and intent kind of the same thing. No, I don't think so because I think theme is a lot about, is the story, like, take like love in basketball. That's a very black movie about like an NBA player moving to suburbs, these two characters, black love. All that stuff.

That's theme. The intent when you're marketing it is like this is a movie that we're obviously marketing to black women, black men. Anybody can see it, but the intent is a black movie. We were talking about rush hour. The intent is four quadrant movie comedy. to me it's a black movie to you. It's not. Rush hour is not a black movie to me.

I think it is. Okay. So also I would also say production is also how many black people are making this? It also leans into it being a black movie. But a lot of the movies that we're going to draft that we consider black movies, a lot of times it might be a black director, but a white writer, a white director, a black writer. Like, that's where we get a little bit, if we're too dogmatic. Most of our movies, it's not like up and,

down the call sheet, everybody was black. I get you, but, so what I would say that, you're right. What I would say is, like, let's take a movie like the color purple, right? If you take the color purple and you look at it as an execution, it did have a white director. However, the person putting the color purple together is Quincy Jones. Okay. Right?

And then you have Quincy Jones, you have Aubrey, have all these other people. It's their vision. They hired the director to make the movie, right? I couldn't have gone with Bill Duke. Could they have gone with a bunch of different other people out there, Melvin Van Peeples or someone like that, to direct the film? Sure, sure they could have. Sure.

But they got Stephen Spielberg. Quincy Jones is very respected in Hollywood, and they got what they thought was technically the best director possible. What I would say is if at the top of your production or throughout it, there are no black people. So it's one thing to have a white director of a black writer, black producers, whatever. But if it's like white director, white screenplay, white this, white that, and with a black star in it, I don't think your movie was necessarily made for black people.

But if that black star's performance became so iconic and became so beloved in the community that essentially enough people have kind of claimed this is like, no, this is a black movie. I don't want to discount that as like. I get it. So let me propose this. I don't think we've ever done this before, but because this is going to be a little bit of tricky one, if we're arguing too much, do we want to leave it up to a vote

where you have to get a majority from the other midnight vote? Nah. I think because... I'll tell you why. I think whatever movies you want. And when we're talking about blackest movies, let the audience make the decision on which one they think is black.

We're going to let the audience basically decide the parameters for winning are who's picking spiritually the blackest. The best blackest movies. The best blackest movies. So if, if, because you did mention something earlier, I don't look at rush hour as a black movie, but I could see why people do.

So it just depends on how you look at it. And I think that's going to be a lot of our superhero movies, where it's like, obviously I would say Black Panther is a Black movie. We were talking about something like Blade. I could see argument either way. I can see an argument either way for Blade. Like, I definitely could see an argument either way for Blade. Black Panther is, you know, obviously.

But then Spiderverse, we were all like, eh, not a black movie. I will say this, though. When you said that before, I disagree with you. However, Spider-Verse also has a black director. Very true. Yeah. The second one, though. The first one, though.

The first one did, too. I thought the first was just... I think Pete Evans was on the first movie as well. He was. Yeah. Okay. I believe. So I think that they cared about that.

Because, to be honest with you, and there's something else that we have to, we'll get into the draft after this. There's something else we have to be cognizant of when we're having this conversation. In the 80s and 90s, it wasn't as important for movies with black themes to have people at the black be at the top of them. There was no way a color purple movie could be made and Blitz directed the musical. There's no way a color purple movie could be made today with the white director. It would never happen. Our conversations have changed about like how these things get made.

That is true. So I do think we have to have a little bit of... Right. If Black Panther were made in even 2000, 2001, there's a chance... There's a big chance it would have been a wait-direct. They'd let Brian fucking singer-director. Radner presents Black Panther. Ouch.

So it's a chance... But now you understand... And when you look at Black Panther, the reason why the movie works is because a black director and writer connects his own experience to a film, right? He brought a Black American audience in by connecting the movie. movie to Oakland by making Killmonger's themes so relatable to black audiences. So that matters in the way we respond to the movie. It's not just like, it's not just Black Panther doing this thing, a story from the comic

books. It has directly to do with the tension that's felt in the worldwide black diaspora that you'd have to have a cultural knowledge and understanding of to convey that in your screenplay. So that's why that stuff matters when you're telling the story on screen. I agree. Yeah. Like with that, the rules of this are all simple.

There are five categories. Let's see what they are. We have 90s hood, comedy, action, drama, wild card. We go in Snake Draft Order. In the back, y'all, can you roll to see who goes first, second, third, and fourth? There you go, Skiddle. I can't do this again. Christ.

Great. Okay. Start us off strong, bro. I can only do what I can. I think. Yeah. Let me just go ahead and take it off the board. Going 90s hood.

Boys in the Hood. Okay. Wow. I did not think that. I thought that that was going to be in the first round. I didn't think that was going to be the first of all choice. I mean, it's just, it's like, I don't want to say it's the feedback movie because, you know, we've got, there's, you know, so much. We're going to talk about so many movies here.

But when you think about 90s movie, you think about Ricky, like the whole thing is boys in the hood. It's a strong choice. Very strong choice. I like you. Gave us rest in peace the career of one of our best black visionaries. John Singleton. John Singleton. One of my favorite directors.

Whose legacy lives on right now with, you know, Snowfall just ended and there's a snowfall spinoff coming. Wait, there's a snowfall spin-off? Yeah, snowfall spin-off. What's it about? I don't know. Why did you just, you're looking to me? I don't know.

Am I supposed to be talking? Probably not. Oh. Yeah, there's a snowfall spin-off coming. Breaking news. All right. Focus on Wanda's character. Yeah.

All right. Great. Oh, wow. In the 70s, yeah. Cool. Early development. Yeah, they're talking about it. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Okay. It's out there. It's out there. It's out there. It's out there. All right. So this is actually, I'm going to go with what I thought was going to be the first overall pick,

but I don't know where I'm going to put it. I think I'm going to put it in drama. I'm going to do the right thing, Spike Lee. Wow. Okay. Yeah. I was on the bubble of like whether I should place it in comedy or drama. But do the right thing was like a transformation.

like film when I saw it. This was like a movie like weirdly I think it was I either saw it on like VH1 or VET was transformational for a couple reasons. Race obviously Rosie Perez's titties.

You like that? Wow. No, no, no. This is not a sex positive. This is very much a sex positive podcast. But this is like, I think weirdly I was so anti-spike in the beginning because the first

movie I saw as a kid was like Crooklyn and I was like, this man, this is not. I, you're anti-smolman. No, Brooklyn just, it freaked me out as a kid. I was just like, kind of, it gets a little surrealist at times. Yeah, I wasn't ready for it, but like,

do the right thing was this movie where I was like, not only can a black director do something like this, but you can shoot African-Americans in this hyper-styledized way. The dialogue is among some of the best dialogue ever. It was just, it's like, it's one of those movies that, like, I had seen in bits and pieces and you see the iconic moments and it's the rare movie where the iconic moments

absolutely exceed your expectation of them. It's one of my favorites. Have I ever told you guys my do the right thing story with my mom? Please. Enlighten us. Never told you this. I'll be brave. I'll be quick. So me and my mom are watching do the right thing. It's maybe like

90, 91, maybe 90. It's like 90% years old. And we're watching a movie and my mom, which I never forgot this, she struggles to remember it sometimes, but I'll never forget this moment. My mother at some point can see that I'm into do the right thing that I get it.

Never in life did I have restrictions on what I could watch. Wait, okay. What age were you? Like nine or ten. Okay. I never had restrictions on what I could watch. I was watching trading places. I was watching the first movie I ever saw in the theater

was Beverly Hills. No, it was Superman with my dad, then it was like Superman 2, but it was like, maybe Superman 3. It was Richard Pryor, Superman. Seeing Superman 3 is your first film in theaters. That's nuts. Yeah, it might be Superman.

Man is old. Played a drop. Man is old. My point is, I never had, I never, no one ever told me you can't look at that. You can't watch that, like, as a movie. It's the kind of things we watched that shit back in the Harlem Night's all that. Anyway, but Mother can see that I'm into the right thing.

She sees that I'm into it, right? I'm getting the movie. I'm understanding and I'm asking questions. It's a very weighty movie, a very, popular and important movie at the time. She asked me, she goes, son, you know, Mookie, that

directed, he wrote and directed the movie. So Mookiee, the character right there, he wrote and directed the movie. And I said to her, and I said, what does that mean? She goes, well, he made up the story of the movie, and on set, he is

the one that tells everybody what to do. He's the boss. He's in charge. He tells everybody what to He makes up the whole movie in his head and while they're shooting the movie. And without hesitating, I looked at my mother and I went, they let black people do that. Damn.

And my mom freaked. She goes, she kind of pauses and she looks. And she goes, yeah, you can do whatever you want to do. And I was like, oh. And I went back to watching it, but I could, like, even in the moment, even remembering it now, I don't think she thought that she that I had internalized

limitation like that. I don't think she thought of that because we never had that. Like we never had that. I never got that. I never got that. From her or from my dad or from nothing. I never got it. It just became a thing. Like the authority figures that I saw around, a lot of them were white. And when she said that he was totally in charge and he had did that whole thing, like, it took a split second for me to be like,

oh, okay. And I went back right back to it. It was just, it was a moment that I remember that. Because after that, every single movie that I watched that I liked, I thought I could do that. I thought it was possible for me to do that. Like, I could, if things went the right way, I could be the person that made that.

I could make Star Wars. I can make all of this stuff. I could do all of that. But before then, I really, I hadn't had any concept of that. But isn't also like black cinema definitely goes through waves, whether it's black deportation, whether it's like Spike and, the whole, like, even UPN when you're seeing Martin Fresh Prince where it's like, kids do internalize it.

It's like, if you don't see all this, if you don't see these people in magazines on TV, you're not like, you're like, you just never see, like, only a couple years ago, do we get like a movie like Black Panther where we're like, oh. We can be the fantastical hero of a story. We can make a billion dollars. Like, it's still very. And people talk about representation as if it's this albatross to a function in American society like it just drags everything down.

But it matters. It matters. It absolutely matters. Being able to see yourself on screen and be able to see yourself doing things that, you know, you previously didn't thought could give you the knowledge or give you the inspiration to do stuff that you didn't think was possible. It's such a con too. Like after John Glenn and then walked on the moon, a bunch of motherfuckers wanted to be astronauts. They weren't thinking of that shit before.

Representation by Ashinauts, motherfucker. I don't say, they didn't think three niggas and Steve could host a superhero podcast. And now we have a bunch of black kids and we're cooking. Now we're cooking.

So my first choice is going to be in 90s hood as well. Okay. And I'm going to take the movie I would have taken number one overall. Even over boys in the hood. I'm going to take minutes to society.

Fuck. Fuck. I'm going to take menace to society. So, God, there is no doubt that there's going to be so, is it, there's going to, there's no doubt that Boys in the Hood is a bigger film. Yes, sure, sure. It's a weightier, more acclaimed film. I think menace is blacker. It is.

I like, you're going to kill me when I say this. I like menace more. No, I definitely like menace more. I think Menace's society is a blacker film than boys in the hood. And it's difficult to articulate why. It just feels, it's some in your gut. Yeah, yeah. Some right here.

I felt, well, it's O-Doc. It's cold. It's funny. It felt like the movie was just giving you a little bit more of a raw feel to everything. It was something that a lot of us connected to a little bit more. And that's not to take anything away from Boys in the Hood. But I just felt Minnis was a blacker movie. That's fair.

Steve, where you had? Very important. Very important. I'll take, I'll start in drama. Okay. For a high-ranking pick of mine. And I'm going to pick Training Day. Okay.

All right. Is that not? Is that not? Well, I love Training Day. I love Training Day. It's Training Day a Black movie. I don't know Train Day is a black movie. Now, Anton Train Day was directed by Antoine Fuqua.

That's right. Dentel? Look. No, no, this is it. I've never thought, I thought, like, Denzel's in it. Yeah, I've never thought, yeah. I've never thought, yeah. I've never been like, this is like, I might be wrong.

I mean, look, you can have training day. You can have training day. You can have training day. Give you training day. I appreciate that. You can have training day. You can have that. Okay.

Black movie, I'm not so sure, but we'll let the audience decide. The audience is, I think, will probably be on Steve's. They might. They might. All right. For a 90s hood, I'm going to go juice. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah.

Juice, I really loved the story of Juice because the second I saw it, me and Charles, big anime fans, I immediately think of Akira when I see that movie. And it's just kids being corrupted by the idea of power

and the fact that they can have power over somebody and how immediately that goes to a young man's head. It's like incredible. And like Tupac's acting his ass off. The book he hit Tupac's in that motherfucker can turn it to the top. He's crazy.

It's so good. But you know what? Juice, juice snuck up on us. We went in there thought we were getting a run in the mill growing up in the hood movie. And Juice is actually a psychological thriller. Yeah, it's really good. You know what I mean?

It's actually a... It's the unmaking of somebody. Right. It's actually like a lot deeper and more intense than we would have actually even thought, especially as Bishop begins to unravel. Also, I laugh every single time I see it. What closes the lock? And he's just there?

Oh, yeah. That's a good old timer. Give a fuck. Like, you're also, it's a good one. Man, that's a perfect example of a musician getting too deep into a role. Are you like? Okay, I legitimately had this thought when I was thinking about this pick for this draft.

It was like, if, if Tupac had carried on and if he was alive today, would we have known him more for a more prominent acting legacy or for his music? Interesting. I mean, he was moving in more to one or the other. He was moving into the direction of film so, so hardcore. There were so many movies, even some movies that came out posthumously. I think he really, really enjoyed acting. I can't speak for Pock or anybody

around. Yeah. I think he really, really enjoyed acting. And the music was wrought with so many other things. I just, I feel like he might have gone like a Will Smith route where he like just leadfully into acting. I thought that that's incredible. It could have, yeah. You again, right? No, no. He got training.

Oh, yeah, you're right. Where are you going? Oh, it's been. Oh, it's me. I'm going comedy. I know what you're here. Oh, you think you know? Oh. You think you know which comedy? Yeah. It's easy for me. I'm picking Coming to America.

Oh, I didn't think that was it. Well, I'm picking Coming to America. Now, let me tell you what. Let me tell you what. Coming to America, I'm pretty sure it's a story by Eddie Murphy. Yeah. I'm not sure if the screenplay was written by Eddie Murphy. Look that up.

But to you guys' point before, coming to America is directed by John Landis. That's not a black director. Yes. However, I can't think of a comedy to me that is, that more encapsulates like a feeling of, of or a connectivity of blackness. Every single different part of the black experience growing up in an area is reflected.

From the preacher man, from the talent show, from McDowell, the well-to-do black family against the intra-community. Like the whole deal, the back-to-Africa thing, that was a big deal at that at that time that has been replaced with endless diaspora wars. But perpetrated by you, by the way. True. So anyway, not to be over-leaver bros, but I think when I look at it, that's a very authentically black film. I was watching it this morning, and the thing that I was struck by is like, we don't, I don't know if we don't know how to make comedies like that, but it's like the rare comedy to me where I'm like, there's a funny punchline or comedic, like, an iconic comedic moment literally like every two or three minutes.

Like every second something is happening in a way where it's like, I think as like time has gone on, comedy has gotten a lot more subtle and a lot more vibey and watching something like coming to America, like this Morton House, like, there's something to laugh at. There's something funny to laugh at. Yeah, but every single fucking,

like it never takes its foot off the fucking gas. It's a good pick. Now, my pick? Yeah. I thought that this was going to go. I'm going to put it in, 90s hood I can't believe it fell this far

I'm going with Friday Friday is another one a lot of mine were like VH1 MTV BT Classics and Friday was the one where I watched it endlessly nonstop I also think this is I think you can make a case

maybe coming to America is funnier but I think it is definitely of like the black comedy's right I mean Chris Tucker damn near like that was right So this is what I would say. Coming to America, to me, is funnier than Friday. I can make an argument Friday's blacker.

Friday's blacker. I also think Friday is a better hang movie where it's like you can just put on Friday and you can pop in. Where it's like coming to America, I had that feeling like, no, I want to like sit down and actually. I mean, both of them do this thing where like, you know, it's like a real look, real look, you know, as much as you can get in a movie. But Friday is different because it's really just.

Craig and Smokey hanging out on a Friday. Yeah. Right? Like that's the whole thing. Slice of life. Very much just like two doos on their porch when funny things happen around them. It's hilarious. It's, like, perfect, honestly.

I think it's a perfect movie. I watched it, I think, like a year or two ago. And what I was also struck by is I'm like, it's a deceptively really difficult movie to pull off because, to your point, so much of it happens on the porch. if Cube and Tucker do not have the tightest chemistry, it's gonna be boring.

It's like a very tightly wound play where all these things have to happen in one setting and then all of these characters need to project outward onto the things that happen to them in a way that's like very genuine, very funny

and really, really well executed. And there's so much on, so much on Chris in the movie. Yeah. It's just a, it's, that is the type of star making vehicle. When we talk about we don't have stars anymore,

Part of the reason why we don't have stars anymore is we don't have star making vehicles anymore. We don't have movies that someone is allowed to just like take their talent and just take over the film. Right? And that's what happens in Friday, man. Do you think we even give like comedians a chance anymore to be like, if they're like a popping comedian,

we're like we're putting you in a movie. Obviously there's a script. We're letting you ad lib and just carry that. Put the movie on your back. What's the last comedian? Kevin Hart? Yeah, I mean, he's done it a bunch But what I'm saying is

Like, nah, we don't Because the movies nowadays Are a lot higher concept Yeah And being that they're so high concept It kind of takes away from guys As an opportunity To go in there and just do their things sometimes

Even coming into America Because it's not that high of a concept Eddie gets to play 5,000 different roles It's damn near like an S&L Like there's so many skits in it Like, but yeah, Friday would be my pick This is one of my favorite

There you go I got two. You know what? I'm going to try and I'm going to try and game it because I don't know how the way to do it. For drama, I am going to pick the best man holiday. Okay.

Oh, love it. Love it. Yeah. I love Tegg's, Morris Chestnut, Regina Hall, Terence Howard, Tanning, Nia Long. Just a bang. I don't know if you've been online, you've seen that one meme, that one video. Oh, that.

Oh, that's what that's from. You need some money. You need some money. I mean, I have never, I've never seen this. I've never seen this. Oh, my God. Gremlin, we went, we was at, I was at Louisiana Tech when Best Man came out. We drove over to Gremlin to watch it because they was having this screening.

Boy, boy, boy, we're cutting up in there. We was going nuts in that screen And especially at the end When Candy came out Shout out Lyrics Cross Shout out Regina Hall Who was in that The first time we had seen her

The whole night It was crazy, man I don't know why Why would you pick the best man Holiday and not the best man I don't know I was this I mean it's not to say

It's pretty my time But it's for your time Yeah Yeah It's for your time So you got another I got another one I think we should get this

Off the board While It's there for action I'm gonna take Black Panther There go Okay. Yeah.

I mean, we can, I mean, we sung its phrases a thousand times here, but this is one of the first times where we get to see black people do the superhero thing. And it took like 10 years since the MCU started. I remember, yeah, I was on Reddit earlier, and they were like, I, Pearl Martyr does want to make a black widow movie, black Panther movies, because they won't sell toys, all that stuff. And then the movie comes out and it makes a billion dollars. And it's the biggest thing on the planet.

You know what I mean? You just sing that having that moment. I mean, you guys, I mean, y'all seen a picture of me and my whole ghetto at the Black Panther premiere, man. We was cut up for that. And so, yeah, I mean, obviously, just a big moment for black people and black storytelling. For sure. For sure. Damn.

All right. Chuck? The wagon? Chuck Wagon. I can't tell if I need to go with my heart or if I need to try to win this motherfucker. I got comedy. I got action. I got Wildcard.

You know what? I'm gonna try to cheat just to get it off the board I'm gonna go comedy I think this could be in comedy No I'm gonna do get out No Wait what? Just not in comedy You can't do get out in comedy

What are you talking about? It's a cop That's a funny movie Nica what the fuck is funny about get out You can take it a one car I can count like two laughs in Get Out We watch a different movie Wait I want to know

Get out what the hell is Okay Like, Keith, that's kind of, okay, that's like, but that's like also, it's terrifying. All the fucking, what's a, fuck, I'm blanking on his name, security dude that's right on. Oh, yeah. Oh, Bill Rout. Bill Rell. T S, S, yes.

If I could, I would have, I would have voted for Obama. It's a funny movie. I would say that because of a movie has some comedy, comic relief, that doesn't necessarily make it a comedy. Yeah. But, but, but, okay. No. No.

You can take it a walker. Fuck it. Fuck it. Because you guys are, no, it's fine. I'll go action. And because we're on the ringerverse, fuck it, I'll take Blade. Okay.

Okay. Now, this was the conversation. So you're taking Get Out off the table now. Yes. Somebody else can get Get Out. Wow. In action. Okay.

Well, because here's a thing. Get out on my favorite Jordan. What is? What? Really? It's, um. It's not us. It's definitely not.

No, it's Nope. No. I think Nope is a bit. Better, really? You get out is so much better than no. Yeah, man. Yeah. It clears it.

It's nothing, but Jordan Piel is one of my favorite directors. I love Get Out. It is a perfect movie. There is an air of Obamanist to it all that it's just like, even when it's poking fun at it, I'm just like, I gotta be honest with you, man. I can't co-sign this one. I can't co-sign that take, my man.

This might be your age of Ultron equivalent. I like Nope. Like, Nope is a, I like the sci-fi elements of it. I think it's... No, his age of old charm would have been him saying us is better than... Yeah, I don't even like us. It's Nope. It's Get Out. Yeah, I don't like us. Um, I barely liked Nope. But it... I like Nob more than most people. I think what he was, the themes he was trying to get off in that one were interesting. And the fact that you couldn't see, we didn't see the monster to the end. I think it's like a hallmark of like old. I like Nobler. I like No. Fantasticly well-made movie.

Yeah, it's an incredibly well-made movie. And in the end, it all comes together. It all comes together. It all comes together. It's really good. Get Out is special. Get Out is a... No, no, no.

It's like the... Get Out is the more important film. I would even say it's structured. Like, it's a perfect film. It's like the matrix of horror movies to me. It's like a completely dense movie, absolutely no wasted scenes, gets you in there with intrigue,

then has a crescendo, then comes... It's like the matrix of horror movies. That's why I tried to pick... Get out. out. Okay. But I'm saying for my personal taste, what I like in movies, I just like no pain.

I'm fucking with it. Go for it. I saw you big dogs. Me now? Yep. Yes. Just one, right? I'll have to.

You got one. You got one. Okay. Huh. I'm going to action. Okay. And I'm going with the very first black action star ever in my opinion. The first successful black action movie.

Richard Roundtree as Shast. A cultural. phenomenon and a movie that remains criminally underrated in its importance to film history. Shaft. Shout out Isaac Hayes. Here's the thing. Shaft is honestly the pick that you should have chose. I was just like I was thinking of winning in terms of our audience.

I know. I think it's, I think it's a certain about. I got to be true to myself. Yeah. I had Shaft on my list. Shaft is definitely on the list. I got to be true to myself. Shit, I have fucking.

I have fucking. I have fucking tossing shit on my list. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if it's a movie that we didn't pick right now. Black of the Shaft. I'm talking about the original shaft. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, 171 shaft.

Yeah, yeah. Steve, you got two? Yes, I have two. Comedy action wild card. I am going to go comedy. You know what? I'm going to... What?

Okay, I'm going to go action. And I'm going to take... I'm going to say set it off. Oh, okay. Great choice. I was not except. Great bank ice movie. So it was going to be, so this is like, I wanted to take a movie that Steve McQueen directed called Widows, but I was like, no, no, no, let's go with the original.

And then that's make that. If you chose Widows, bro, I would have been one of it. I love widows. I love that. That's a Jordan LaForge. Yeah, but no, set it off is really cool. Queen Latifah Robin Banks. I don't think you can get better.

You guys, I'm looking at it right now. Steve has a deceptively strong. own team. Steve is doing well. I'm proud of you, Steve. For comedy, I'm going to take Boomerang. Oh, shit.

Eddie Murphy. That's tough. Steve. Steve just fucked me clean over it. The activist, no wonder. Is this the type of game you spin with Black Queens?

Listen, I love Boomerang. Steve. Shout out, Grace Jones. Bro, I'm going to be honest with you, bro. Jews boomerang set it off. I think the only thing that kind of fucks you is training date, but at the same time, you got a little bit of and set it off.

Crazy. It's tough. Yeah, I love boomerang. It's really good. Okay. Who's who's up now? You're up. It's me.

So I definitely for sure was about to draft boomerang. Yeah. Without a doubt. About a doubt, I was going to train Bumarie. This was great strategy by you. Great strategy. Great strategy. But since I can't draft boomerang, I can't draft a doubt.

traveling ring, I'm going drama. Okay. And I'm going Big Mama, your arm. Soul food. I, okay. Big Mama, your arm. I did nothing. That's not what I thought you were going to say just now.

Oh, you thought it was not what I know. Oh, you thought it was big mama's house? Yeah, I thought it was like, I was so worried, bro. I was like, what? No, Big Mama. your arms, soul food, man. Soul food is an underrated, by the way, we need that rewatcher balls.

So food is an un-derated... You're doing soul food with Bill Simmons? We should do it. We should do soul food. Oh, hell. Yeah. Me, Bill, C.R. and Sean Finacy. So that's like an inverse mid-day boy. What's crazy?

What's crazy... What's crazy is that Sean could probably give it up about soul food. He was writing that vibe that whole. time. I can see right now Sopu has a kinetic energy power by the stories, morals, and mythos of the black community. George Tilly's vision is real. Yeah, you know what I mean?

But yeah, Sofu, man. So food, I'm talking about a complete black experience soundtrack, beautiful black people in Chicago having their black ass problems. Having they black ass problems? Black ass problems? It's black problems. It's not white people problem. So food. I'm fucking with it. All right.

I'm wondering whether I never go with my heart. I'm trying to win. Come on, man. Actually, this, actually, I love this movie. I don't know if, you know what, I'm going to go comedy. Okay. I'm going house party. Oh, there you go.

That's good. That's good. I like, I love house party. The one with kid and play. Come on. Come on. Don't just. What?

What? No, no. I thought you got a race. I was like, I remember, I think one of the earliest episodes we ever did. That's one of our earliest clips. Yeah, is you not knowing Who kid and Play were, right? Fans started talking about House Party

And then Charles is like, wait, is that the one with Kid and Play? Yeah. And then she just like... I watched House Party. Right. You piss me off. But House Party, fantastic. Without a doubt.

Like, that's, that is an all-time classic. Black as shit, by the way. Yeah. The new one didn't really... All right, nah. What? Hey, Jomey, you got a night in LeBron James's house. See, let me tell you.

All right, pause. Can I tell you what the problem with the new house party is. And shout out to everybody involved. They did their best. But the problem with the new house party is a problem that a lot of contemporary movies are having. Which is? House party not about all that. House party not about no celebrities.

House party not about no cool people showing up to. That's not what it's about. House party is a story about a young black teen defying his overbearing father. Because they are in a situation where the dad, is overprotected because the mother died. That's what the movie is about. Right. And that, like, theme is what makes a movie classic.

Trying to take these stories and then dress them up and throw a bunch of spectacle in them and it's the same shit with Space Jam. Like, Space Jam is obviously like about a fucking bunny playing intergalactic hoops against something, whatever. But trying to dress these stories up and make them more than what they are, you lose the essence of what it is. Yeah. The new house party, once again, shout out to everybody around. They did their best. but the new house party, it felt like a commercial.

It's not unwatchable, but it felt like a commercial. So can I ask you this? Like, I feel this way about movies like House Party. Why do, have directors forgot how to, like, shoot, like, parties and shoot, like, people dancing and having fun? Where it's like every single new movie I see, I'm like, this don't feel like the 90s. This don't feel like people are actually having fun. We're in the house, we're grooving. Everything seems like, it's just always, like, really corporate.

everybody's got their bones, man. It's not, it's, I agree, it's just, I think sometimes they put too much on the directors.

Let the director shoot a cool party scene and let the movie be a little bit, let the movie be subversive of a little bit. Let the movie be a little bit dangerous.

Let there be some conflict in it. Let there be all that type of shit that's going on in the film, a little bit of danger. I call it the Saturday night

fever where you just, like, you forget that that shit is real? Like, once you put that one? Yeah. Oh. Saturday fever feels like a documentary.

Yeah, it's like, Saturday Night Fever got some crazy scenes in that. Yes. Like, you go back and watch that bitch. I'm like, yikes. That movie might be canceled, man. That's a five-star movie to me. It's a perfect movie. It's just Saturday Night Fever?

You like that? It's a fantastic. It's a horrible. I didn't know that that was in your wheelhouse of movies that you loved. Oh, real quick. Breakout, like, all-time Travolta. What's the best Travolta? Shit.

The best Travolta. Air spray. All right. That's your thing. You whack as fuck for saying that. It's terrible. Your best, everybody gave it. Everybody gave their best Travolta.

It would be Saturday Night Feber for me. Sanofy. When I watched it, I think, two or three years ago, and I was just like, oh, my God, face off. What am we talking about here? That's a good Travolta right there. How did I not forget that? We should have had Travolta somewhere. Travolta could play, he could be King.

Let's see. Oh, wow. Best Travolta for me, I'm going pulp. Pulp. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to pulp. I love Greece love, but Greece too is better Oh, hold on, wait a minute.

Oh, wait, Greece. I forgot about, wait. I'm going Greece. Greece is the best. Steve's right. Wait, no, if we're doing Rushmore, it would be Saturday Night Greece, Pulp Fiction. Face off.

Face off. Face off. Okay, let's do it right now. Mount Rushmore Travolta. Broken Arrow. That movie, that movie fuck. Yeah, that movie's great. Okay, we got a broken arrow.

We lost a nuclear weapon. That was back in the day where you did a movie title, and then you explained to us what the title means. It's like some cool military. Like say it in the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's always like some cool military term name that we're just like, oh, no. We got a backdraft.

Yeah. It's when the. But, okay. So, get shorty not on there? Oh, that's great Travolta. That's great Travolta. But it doesn't knock any. It doesn't knock any off the mound, though.

But that might be my single favorite. So that's, okay, so then. It's Greece Saturday night, Pulp Fiction. What's the fourth? I'd have to go face off. Face off. Face off over Gets Shored. Yeah, yeah.

Face off over Gid Shorty? Bro, it's face off. Your face off. It took his face off. Come on, man. To his face. Cinema. Papa's got a brand new back.

Now hold on. Now I will say is that more of a cage show? Is that more of a Kee show? We did a midnight movie club. We did a midnight movie club, bro. That's a Nicholas Cage club, like joint. I'm personally going to put Get Shorty over face off, but I cannot hate on face off.

of them. It's off his day. How do in the blackest movie, Josh, you're talking to John Volta? You want to? Wait, no, wait,

Jomey's up. I got two. Is this your last two? It's my last two. For comedy, I'm going to, you know, shout out the Wains,

legends. Don't be a menace of society when drinking your juice in the hood. Fantastic. It's a comedy. Hysterical. That's so funny. Message!

That's something that is, that's been, that's been in the lexicon since seeing it first time, just a classic. Now I'm in trouble, right? Because I got my wild card. There are options.

Go with your heart. Go with your heart. Okay, if I'm going to my heart, New Jack City. I'm surprised New Jackson didn't get. I feel like that should have been higher. Strong. Well, I like New Jack City.

I will say in terms of like 90s hood movies, it's lower on the list for me. It's fantastic. It's a fantastic movie, though. Snipes. Come on now. Snipes is great. Yeah, it's fantastic.

Fantastic. I love it. I love it. Here's the thing people, I got it. I think I said, I think Ice T's... Okay, no, no, no. Let it fly. It's okay.

You don't think he's a good actor? No, I think he's a great actor. I think he became a better actor. Yeah. I just think next to Wesley, it just... He was a force of nature in the movie. That kind of, he was swaggering his way through it, but I thought he was... Is that a bit too lopsided with Wesley's performance with everybody else around?

I think Wesley's operating on such a movie. Yeah, but sometimes he does Like, I'm just like, damn, like Oh, that's his film. No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, you guys are right to pick out that he was like... But it's still a great film.

The scene in the courtroom. Like, I'm taking... If I'm going down, I'm taking everybody, wouldn't... That's the stuff that means something to me, man. Yeah, that's for real. Is it me? It's Charles. I got one more pick.

All right. Damn. So I only got Wildcard left. All right, so I'm going to be honest. I could go with more popular movies and I will go with the more popular movies. popular movie. My heart wants to say drumline because that's my favorite. One of my favorite movies.

You could. I love Trump. That's his black movie. My homie, shout out to Shayton. Shout out Shayton. He got into music off drum line. That's crazy. Bro.

You got into the drum line? He's a producer now, like, Grammy nominated producer because he was like, he saw Nick Cannon through the drums. He was like, this is my life now. Shout out. And I also have to say another pick that I'm not going with, but I have to just say, baby Boy is one of my favorite movies. Baby boy is such a

Snoop Dog's a Monk and Men. Man, look. Fuck your fort, little, nigga. Baby boy has, so people look at Baby Boy as a lesser singleton, but I'm going to be honest with you. With every passing year, Baby Boy becomes

more relevant to me. The intergenerational dynamic in Baby Boy becomes more relevant. Old man telling a young nigga, you're not really ready for the world. The hating ass snoop, your fuck-goat little nigger. All the stuff that's going on between Jody and his girl and the whole nine baby boy to me. Baby boy is.

To me it becomes more relevant with each past. But here's the thing, when I say, because I'm younger, when I bring a baby boy, most older people are like, eh, nah, it's not really that one. But because I saw it in reruns, I was like, dog, this is some iconic as shit. I fuck with it. Judy! Sorry. All right, well, car. Fuck it.

I'll just, I'll go get out. But I love Baby Boy. I love you guys served. I love Drumline. You could have tell. Why do you tell me to go with Char? Yeah. Because I'm trying to win.

Okay. All right. I'm going to go with Get Out, but my real pick would have been fucking Baby Boy. Okay. This is tough. I feel like there's a lot of meat on the bone. There's a lot of meat on a bone. There's a lot of meat on a bone.

Much out there. But it's tough because I want Spike to be represented on my list. I'm surprised Malcolm Xx. Yeah, I don't know. It's not that. I'm not going to take that. I like that movie, but that's not the Spike movie that I would take it. Like, my very favorite film of all time, I have to take it.

Okay. Spikely movie. My favorite movie of all time. Can anybody guess what it is? It's Spikely movie. He got Game. No, that would be great, though. My very favorite movie of all time.

Let me tell you about this. Is this new Spike or? Old Spike in the classic era. Let me tell you about the perfection of this. movie. I don't think there is a more perfect piece of black art than this film. From the music that's in the movie, to the performances in the movie, to the cast of the movie, to the actual theme of the movie. The movie is essentially about the battle between art and life, between the obsessiveness that you have to have in order to perfect your craft and how that melts with

how much happiness you glean out of your life. Spike made a lot of movies that are about these really, really lofty... Are you talking about bamboozle? No, hell not. Spike made a lot, but that's a great movie, though. Spike made a lot of movies that are about these really lofty concepts. And for this movie, he just made a movie about people dealing with their passions. Mobetta Blues.

Mobetta Blues. Like, Mobetta Blues. Sure. Like, everybody at the movie, first of all, I'm sorry. As far as a cast of beautiful looking black people, ridiculous. John Titoro. Like, ridiculous. Like, everybody is, like, emanating.

Oh, Charlie Murphy's in. Wesley Snipes is in it. Denzel Washington in it. Senator Williams is in it. John Carl Spizzo. Charlie is in it. John Call Esposito is in it. Can I also say John Call or Esposito?

Having, like, done some prep, just going back to other, that niggil was the evil motherfucking. He was. Like, dog. Like, even before Gus Spring, I kept from Calum, like, Todd, you was like, I hated motherfucking this one, too. But it's so funny because John Carlo had his moment, obviously, well, his big time moment,

obviously after Breaking Bad. But he was a mainstay in my childhood because he was in almost like every movie that Spike would do in some different type of a way. Is it, what does it say that we only, for now, there's, see my changes, We only have two Spike movies. A whole draft.

I don't know. I think that there's... First of all, you guys are a little younger. So I don't know how much school days and she's got to have it and some of those other movies like me and to you guys. So by the time maybe y'all got to Spike, Spike did have a rough patch.

You know what I mean? I came up during the rough batch. Right. So it's not that the movies that he was making were uninteresting. If you look at movies like, what's the one? Anthony where he's trying to make her have the baby.

Have you seen that joint? What in the world are you talking about? There's a movie with Anthony Mackey and Kerry Washington that Spike directed, and it's about the fact that Carrie Washington is a queer lady. She hates me? Is that it? Does she hate me? Carrie Washington is a queer lady who wants Anthony Mackey to impregnate her. But he then starts, he runs out of, he's in money, he's having money.

trouble. So the way he starts making money is impregnating all of these queer ladies. And so it's an interesting film, but it was kind of like when Spike, in my opinion, got away from being able to really take hold of culture and really express something to an audience. And it took a little while for him to kind of get his groove

and his mojo back. I think it's not high and low he changed it. It's highest and lowest. His new movie? How do you think that's going to be? Not sure. But he's... Highest, too lowest. Highest too lowest. But he is... Spike is the man. Remember he played around a lot. He did inside, man.

He did other things. He messed around a lot. But when he came out of his classic era, he kind of fumbled around a little bit with his storytelling. I mean, Scorsese had a similar kind of like trajectory. It happens to them all do.

They all do. It happens to them all. But that's it. I'm done. Steve? Last. Okay. This is for my wild card.

But before you pick, I want to say, my white brother, I'm really. I'm proud of you, I appreciate that. Thank you. I'm proud of you, I appreciate that. This is what's the opposite of the Jordy Laforge Award. I don't know. But you do.

deserve it. You came through, I thought, Steve, I thought it was going to be some bullshit on here. Star Trek, the next generation. The next generation for only. You know who's most wanted and some shit like that? I thought it was going to be some bullshit on here. I think this is probably the most from the heart one that I have.

And it's probably like, okay, like I watched a lot of adult swim. But to me, this is like one of the, this is like, this might be one of the most quotable movies I might have ever seen my life. And that's Black Dynamite. Okay. Wow. I love Black Dynamite.

Dynamite so much. Like, if you want to talk about a joke machine, that, like, it just, it sends me every single time. Yeah. I don't hate this. I love this. I don't hate it. I will say that Black Dynamite is a black movie that a lot of white people love.

Yeah. It's really. Because it kind of play. It's a parody of, it is. It's a parody of Shaf. It's a parody of all this thing. It's a parody of it. Yeah.

But it's a movie that a lot of people. I don't hate it. I don't hate it at all. It's funny of this shit. And Michael Jai White, another guy criminally underrated and underuse. Yeah. You know also where it was like, because I saw a lot of these movies when I was a teenager and they weren't when I was coming out, I feel like we underrate how dominant Omar Epps was. He was everywhere.

In every movie, I was just like, dog, fucking Omar was cooking for like good taking your house. Shit. The man. But that tells you, though, a little bit about like some of the roles that are available out there to Black Brothers as they coming up on their assent. They gave Omar. I would say that if I'm looking at Omar's career, there were a couple of movies that had those movies been a little bit more successful,

it would have vaulted him to the next stage. One is a film with Omar, Claire Daines, and Giovanni Rubisi that was called The Mod Squad. It was a remake of the 70s show, The Mod Squad. Wow. And the film, that was during the time when a lot of these 70s remakes were coming out

in film. Uh-huh. The Italian job, etc., yeah. The Italian job, Mosscair, Starskin, Hutch, all of these movies, they were coming out, Charlie's Angels

those movies were coming out and they were making stars out of people because people wanted to go see them. The Moss Squad came out and they bombed and that would have been Omar Epps's if the movie had gone crazy, that would have been his step up out of what people consider to be Black Hollywood

because there's nothing wrong with me. Those early 2000s remakes of 70s things were so... But do you also think part of it is like what I started noticing as I'm like for an actor like Omar Epps? They just stopped making the movies that he was the vehicle for. It was just like, after a while

Like once you get to 2010, I'm like, we're not making this shit. We went through a classic era of films, um, of black films to where we really entered something special. And it was the wood. It was the best man. It was loving basketball.

It was, I'm surprised I got to think loving basketball. It was so bad. There's a lot left on the board here. It was all of those movies together. And there was a real momentum in, like a lot of fresh, bright, young stars came out of all of that stuff. I'll even throw players club in there.

and all that stuff. And then in the 2000s, it didn't come back until maybe mid-2010s when a new era and group of filmmakers started making new stuff. It was kind of gone for a little while. The only person that was holding it down was Tyler, who didn't get one movie on the goddamn list.

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. So, before we read through our list, is there, before we get out of here, are there any movies on your guy's boards that you're like, fuck, I didn't? I didn't pick. Yeah, there was a lot. I mean,

I want to pick paid and full. I was going to say that. It was going to be my other 90s is one of my favorites. Creed was there. Purple Rain was there. You got served. Yeah. Moonlight didn't get picked?

No. Belly? Y'all don't like belly, though. I love Belly. You're the one who don't like Belly. I don't like Belly. No, I like visually. Belly is a credible.

This one was here, but like it would have probably been brought into too much question. Bad Boys, too. Hmm. I thought about bad boys. Like, that was... Bad boys was in the men and black. Yeah, when you talk about your heart, right.

I mean, Martin Lawrence and Will Smith, like, you can say, like, Michael Bay directed the whole thing, but... Right. Same time, though. That's two, though. That's two black leads. That's Gabriel Union.

Yeah. No, I would have let you... Yeah, it's in there. But you... Moonlight's interesting to me because, like, I love Moonlight. Moonlight is a perfect movie. But for an exercise like this, I don't know how many times

I bring... Moonlight is brought. brought up in conversation because I do think it both. Do you know why? Because I'll just be honest with you. Moonlight is as accurate a depiction of the black experience that you can have. It's just a black experience that people don't want to talk about. It painful.

It's just it's a black experience that for whatever reason, people attach shame to. But when I watched Moonlight, even though I'm on record saying some things, When I watched Moly, I was floored. When I watched Moly, I was floored, and it made me curious about people in my community that had that same experience and what their lives must have been like. Yeah. But there were so many people that were just turned off from it because they don't look at that as an accurate or accurate depiction of Black Life, even though it is. Yeah. It certainly is.

I mean, of all these movies, I'm like. I would put it next to any of them, not just in terms of, like, the movie, but how it's shot. You know, it's one of the most beautiful movies, period. So I think it gets a lot of respect when we talk about, like, cinema history in terms of the Oscars and everything,

but when we talk about black movies, it's one you just don't hear people bring up as much. And I do think that that's kind of a tragedy. Yeah, also, a lot of these movies that we have on here, I mean, Menace and, you know, some of these other movies and kind of Obama's, Moonlight is not. not an easy movie to watch.

No. It's, it's beautiful if, well, no, it's hard. It's gut, it's a gut-wrenching film, but there is a tremendous amount of beauty in it. Oh, yeah. I just don't know, honestly, I'm just going to be all the way real if people are still even really to have, even ready to have that discussion about what is like to be that young man realizing that about himself, that, or his realizing that, realizing that, realizing coming to terms of his sexuality

that early in his life, and then there being a story about who protected him, who abandoned him, and the armor that he had to put on to get rid of his trauma. Like, it's just, like, it really made me take a step back and go, wow, is there anybody there who I could have jacked off

on the beach? So I didn't pick hustle and flow. ATL, roll bounce. If anybody picked HL. If anybody picked HL. If anybody picked A.T. we would have had to have a talk.

No, but ATL don't count. I have... No, ATL count. ATL... Y'all don't fuck with ATL? He don't... No, no, no, no. I fuck with moments in ATL.

I do. I fuck with moments. There's a lot of great moments, but that it don't hold up over the course of the 90 minutes, two hours. I'm sorry. I haven't seen it a while. But ATL is one of those fun ones.

No, it's fun. What's that one movie? It's got Chris Brown, Michael Elyle. You mentioned the Tigers. Tankers. That used to, like, that was an era.

Also, people loved that movie. I wouldn't have picked it because I'm just like, I don't even know if I like this movie was just on a lot. Fucking Barbershop. Barbershop is dope as fuck.

Barbershop is here. I haven't seen it in a while. I saw it when I was like 12. Barbershop is, that's your city. Barbershop literally like a rewatchable. Like, they was on T&T. It was on there all the time.

Do you remember the era of movie? towards the end of the 2000s where it was just like put a bunch of people in the movie like takers the losers all of those movies like whoa you mentioned the losers you love the losers the losers is like legitimately a foundational film for me dog are you kidding me i sing don't stop believing just how um uh chris evans does in that movie what a weird movie i love that movie dog i cannot believe they they make a hundred of those. The losers is fantastic. Yeah.

I love it. All right. All right. Let's read. Let's read all our picks. All right, Jomey, you have boys in the hood. Don't be a menace. Black Panther, the best man holiday, New Jack City.

I had Friday, house party, Blade, do the right thing, get out. Van has medic society coming to America, shaft, soul food, mo better blues. Steve has juice, boomerang, set it off, training day, black dynamite. Who do we think ran away with me? I'm partial to Steve's team. Really? Steve, I think your team hits it out of the part

with rewatchability and cool factor. I think Boomerane was a hell of a pick. I needed a classic Eddie Murphy somewhere in here. I'm most afraid of, I think, Van. Because I think both Vennan and I went for a lot of classic staples of...

Yeah. Like these would be in your top 10, top 25 black ones. Gordon Parks directed one of my motherfuckers. Y'all can't fucking Gordon Parks Don't even know what that means. See what I'm saying? Y'all don't even know what that means.

That's a shame, but Gordon Parks, man, come on, man. All right. We're going to get out of you? This was fun. Hold on, no, wait. I think Gordon Parks did. Oh, oh, oh.

Fact check. Fact check. Which fact check? I thought Gordon Parks directed Shaft. Who directed Shaft? This is fun. What other drafts? We did white.

No, guys. Guys, Gordon Parks did shaft. March? we have to do the sequel to the whitest movie draft in term in in uh in honor of uh boston edition st patrick's oh boston edition boston edition oh how many boston edition there's a lot of boston movies let's go boston movie draft a boston movie draft would bill would be courageous enough to to join us to join us for the boston movie draft yeah i'm into that we can we you know we can we can we can we can also draft uh documentaries like the documentary called a murder

in Boston, which has to do with how a black man was unfairly blamed for a crime that a white man did in Boston because Boston's racist as fuck. How about this? We talk about that on the pod. We cashed out with Bill. Right here. Yes. You know what we should do? This is what we should do. We should do a racist

Boston movie draft. We can't call it the racist. I don't think that, you know what I mean? It's not the... This is the unlocutely right now. It's the... I like that. I like that too. I like Banshees in your Sherin

but even like movies with high Irish shit like a clear present danger they up against the IRA in that bitch right yeah

like um you know what I'm saying yeah boom got change uh huh if we were to rank the white people where Irish

Boston okay the types of whites okay the types of whites are you talking about that are nice to us no

that I think that should be that should matter that should matter to us oh no the Irish people in Boston kicking our ass, but, like,

hold on, bro. Yeah. The Irish people in Boston kicking the shit out of us, though. It's not really. Like, bro,

I sometimes fuck with Bill. And, like, in various group texts, I put stuff in there. Brut, if you go back, everybody, do yourself in favor. Go back and look at some of the video

when they're interviewing Boston people about busing in the 70s. Listen to the shit that they say. Like, it's just listen to the shit that they say. And they say it so. All right.

We've never been, we are not doing either. All I'm saying is Bill Russell didn't have anybody in the stadium when he got a judge retired because he didn't mess with the fans like that. That's all I'm going to say. It's just a fact. But things are getting better. Like right now, you give you an example of progress. Right now in Boston, the average white family has $285,000 worth of wealth.

The average black family has $8.000. So it's getting better. All right, that's a wrap. We got to verify those facts. Fucking facts. Look it up. Check out Captain America, Brave New World coverage, House of ours, Deep Dive.

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And Arjuna was really very helpful and really guided me through Radio Row. It was a fantastic. Oh, wow. Really, really cool. Shout out to Arjuna. Chuck, take us out. Black movies are great. Midnight Boys love to laugh.

I'm announcing now. We are canceling the next. whitest movies trapped. Um, I flew coach. You didn't like that. You didn't like that? You didn't like that. I already know you didn't like that.

I felt like Lewis and Clark. So I know you want some much of big of shit. That's why. That's wild. That's wild. That's wild. That's wild. It was an arduous.

It was a arduous journey. Oh, my. Heroing journey. Oh, what is? Delta. Delta. So it was straight, but it was a heroing journey. Yeah.

My photo. Would you ever. Did you carry on? carry on or you check back? I carry on. Okay. I got to the hotel real quick. I got to the hotel like late and it was a self-checking hotel, which I've never experienced. Those can be okay.

Well, they're okay if you have all the information you need. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you know it's a self-checkout hotel, I was walking around a hotel screaming for people. Somebody helped me. Until I had to call a helpline. Arjuna was sleep. I blew Arjuna shit up. Like, I called the helpline and then they walked me through how to check in. And then when I got up there to my room, I pushed the door, the door was open.

You can't have that. Door was wide open. I pushed the door, door was wide open. Now they ain't the cut in the world. But it's funny. As I complained a lot about the hotel and the fight like busting our junice balls. But then I looked at the rate for that room that I was staying in, it's by far the most fucked hotel room I've been in in a long time.

Oh, no. That room was $3,000 Friday night. Oh, for the Super Bowl. I look around and fucking Diving McNabb was in my hotel. We was all just fucking do. I mean, people were staying there. Sly flex. People were, I'm just saying, people were staying there.

So anyway. Thank you, Juna. I appreciate it, brother. I appreciate you for humbling me.