The Ringer-Verse - Christmas Movies Draft | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

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gives you their 2025 game awards games awards i'll talk to adam mouse husband and i talked to him about steam we had a deep steam conversation and he was telling me that the steam box is like a Nintendo Wii. It's got the controller on it. That's what he said. Oh, the Steam Deck? The Steam Deck, yeah. You mean the Wii, you?

Oh, you mean Nintendo Switch. Yeah, yeah. Nintendo Switch. Yeah, yeah. I'm naming the wrong shit. But they're coming out with a box that's like basically like a place. It's a console, yeah. Yeah.

It's the same thing. So there's already the Steam thing that's like the Switch. Oh, yeah. I think it's like five, like the middle one is like $500. Yeah, I'm about to get one. But the Steam deck is not that. No, the Steam deck is the one you can play. That's the hand.

Okay, but the other one is the console. Yes. I'm going to get one of those. Go for it. You'll love it. Yeah, man. I'm going to start. I'm going to get a little steamy in the games.

Why? They're steam all the games? No, well, it's like the world of PC gaming. So there's a lot more games than you can just think of the consoles. Honestly, at this point, I'd be playing more to independent shit. You would like Steam. Yeah. Independent games are really good.

Just independent games. Just five niggas in a room making a game. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. But they better than a lot of the shit, like, I've heard this. Yeah. That a lot of the shit. the actual companies are putting out.

Dispatch. One of those games, you know, got saved by Critical Role. And now it's like, what, like two million people were playing it concurrently at its peak. It's like, it's up right now. All right.

Also on Thursday, the House of Ar is counting down the best fights of the century so far. Talked a little bit about this and fights and stuff like that. They're doing a great job over there at the House of Ar. How are people responding

to Stranger Things as a show? I mean, it's the grand finale. It's like a lot of people watching. Everybody's talking about it. I'd be interested to see what it looks like when it comes out on Christmas and New Year's Eve, right? Because those are days you typically want to spend with your family.

You're going to like, hey, guys, enough family time. Strange your things is on, you know? Maybe people are into that. I don't know. I'll say this about Christmas. It is a day that you spend with your family, but there's a lot of free time as well. Yeah, a lot of downtime. Because the families go in different ways.

There's pockets. There's pockets where you could like, because I remember I would always pick a new video game to play on Christmas. like a new video game they get into, so I would buy myself a video game because when people stop, when you start providing for your family, you know that you're providing for your family

when they stop buying you, when they stop buying you gifts. Yeah. When they stop buying you gifts. And they're like, oh, you're so hard to shop for it. Hey, hey, whatever. So I will buy every,

I will go in there and buy stuff. I'm like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to buy myself a video game. And then I'll play that video game on Christmas and really get into it. Christmas holiday is perfect time to break in a new video game. Assassin's Creed back in the day

I used to play. Is it Red Dead Red Dead Regimption all on Christmas Day playing it? Red Dead Dead Red Demetreemption is a game. Red damn. Bredemption. Bredemption. Bredemption. Bredemption.

Bavisade. That's a game where you can like, that's a game. Two or one, by the way? Oh, one. One, okay. But that's a game where you can like get too into the game. You know, yeah, you live out your fantasy life as a cowboy. A couple years of that was for me.

I'd just be in the room. Also, I'm now at the age now. Did you ever have one of those uncles? like he didn't have any kids. So I knew the night was about to end because he would like put money in the card and he'd give him to all. And like once you got to like 17, 18, he's like, all right.

That's enough for you. He's like, you're not a little nigga no more. You're not a little nigga no more. Take this. Go out, take your little girl out there. Put that hundred dollar bills. I'm like, come on, bro. Break me off a little song, bro.

I'm 36. Now I'm the one. My little cousin's like, hey, you got any money. I'm like, all right. On today's show, speaking of the Christmas, We are getting into that spirit with a Christmas movie's draft. Of all the greatest Christmas movies that we love,

and you sit around with your family, and you drink an eggnog. Before we get into it, I need a yes or no on eggnog. Yes. Yes. No. No? I knew it.

I could tell. No. Yeah. Yes for me. It's a texture. It's a texture thing. It's just creamy. It's just creamy.

It's too heavy. You put a little cinnamon on there again? No, it's like. Doggy dog. What about the... It's like... Shout to my man Jason for it. from Miami.

What about the coquito? Yeah. What's the rice drink? Rochata. That's a horchata. Ochata is money. Cochito is what you drink. Copito is great.

On the, during the holiday. I've never had that. Oh, oh, buddy. I know you know about the cookie. Yes, I do. All right.

Sporting, this will be a spoiler-filled-filled episode. For Christmas? Christmas. And Christmas-adjacent- Hey, guys, I don't want to ruin it for you, but Santa. Santa wins. Santa wins.

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Shout out 11, Devin and Jacob. Can you give us the order? 11. 11? You got Billy Bobby Brown back there? Millie Bobby Brown, me and my new kid. All right. I didn't prepare one. So I'm going to go Steve first because this is his people's...

No, you keep trying to do that. You know what? You know what? You know what? Here's the deal. Alea no longer has the authority to do the job. She tries to do this every time. She sneaks me into the first spot.

Leia is way too much of a good person, social justice warrior, for her that like, adhere to the basic rules of the Midnight Boys, which is... Night Boys, which is Steve. Goes last. Last. Okay. So, like, we got to do this. Leigh, we got to be fair to the people, okay? That's what they expect.

Yes. Okay. It goes Jomey, Charles, Van, because he's yelling again. That's fine. And Steve. I can deal with it. Let's go.

All right. Jomi's first pick. Jome Skilda. What the fuck you got? I'm taking Elf number one. Yeah, you have to. Okay, yeah. You have to.

I think that's a no-brainer pick, you know. That's the banker, the one that can't fail. That's the LeBron James, 2003. This is in comedy, of course. Yes, comedy slash romance. One of the, like, you guys, what's her name? I'm going to say Jessica Day because that's what you know. Zosuio, Joe Dich, Nell.

Zohie Dishinell is in this movie. Like, I'm, I'm shocked about how, like, the longevity of this movie. because, like, obviously, it's like a perfect Christmas movie. But even, like, to this day, I still hear people going, bye, buddy, I hope you find your dad. Like, it's just like... You sit on a throne of lies. They're just infinitely quotable.

It's long-lasting. It's memorable. It's forever. Elf's got to go to me. I will say Zoe D.C. Now hit the streets hard when I was in high school. It was... So I got to say, I know that Elf is the number one Christmas

movie now, which when you think about it, that's really remarkable. It's incredibly impressive. It's really remarkable for a movie that came out, what, 2000, 2001, something like that. 2003, whatever it is. I'd argue it's the last classic Christmas movie. It's remarkable after that much time in a genre that is as deep as the Christmas movie for a new Christmas movie to come out and get to the top. It's almost like when we think about candy.

right most of the candy that we love is the same candy from the 60s right just come out with new candies that go crazy like that

Christmas movie is kind of like candies it's like it's in that you it's tradition is a part of it but elf wrote the tradition

and got to the top I still because of that I still sometimes have trouble viewing elf along the same lines as the rest of these movies but I am clearly wrong elf is the movie

that everyone agrees is the consistent since is a heavyweight champion of the God damn it! The heavyweight champion of the Christmas movie. What you got? Sorry, I'm just saying it's because I agree with you. It's easy to call it overrated because it's still relatively young

in the Christmas movie canon, but it's still like it's kind of unimpeachable. Like you can't be mad at it. It's kind of a perfect movie. I like Elf, but to your point, like I was there when Elf was happening and to me it was just a movie and now I'm like, damn, is it really the number one though? It's tough for me.

Recency bias, like... It's tough for me. Richard Bias, the movie came out. Brown wasn't even illegal when the movie came out. Yeah, but think about it. What has been the last... What is the last Christmas movie that you could put in the Raptors? Like, Elf to me is, like, kind of the end of us making good Christmas movies.

Because I can't think of one that's been released after. It's a hard cutoff. It's a hard drop-off. I feel like... I feel like you might make an argument for, like, one or two. Actually... Of the ones that are on this list, I think there's only one that's, like, even close to it. but it only came out before it.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm trying to think pre-2003. Don't know. Don't there close that door. He's like, we good.

But also, though, Christmas movies are, they're also a sign of a good Christmas movies that people can get together on. This is going to sound so stupid. But they're a sign of a culturally consistent society. So you're saying that a good Christmas movie is like an anti-recession indicator?

Not a recession. Not a recession. It's a good Christmas movie Good Christmas movies Brings everybody together They're a sign of a cohesive culture They're a sign of like Some type of societal

Oneness, monoculture, unity That we can all agree That this fucking story about this thing About this time of year It's just difficult to do that now with all of the different ways that we look at stuff. But also, we've been making Christmas movies

since basically the beginning of time, since filmmaking. Like, there are movies that, I'm sure we talk about from the 40s, the 50s to 60s. Like, that's one of our oldest genres. Yeah, what I'm, yeah. When you get to 2003 and it's like, all right, man, a grown man is an elf.

How far can you push the batteries? We're going to talk a little bit more about it. I want to get to Charles' story. I will say my last thing is also, do you think it's also the death of, like, whimsy and the comedy, where it's like a lot of Christmas movies you have to give yourself over

to the comedy element. Like Will Farrell is the perfect example. To me, he's like one of the last comedians who could sell you on I'm gonna be an elf for this whole movie and you're gonna buy it. I can't think of a comedian after him where I'm like, damn,

I want to watch him be an elf for two hours. Danny McBride? Danny McBride. That's a bad Santa version of it. But honestly, I'm glad you brought up, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to step on it.

I don't want to step on it because we'll talk about it. But there are some things about Christmas that we can have a conversation as the, as we name more movies. All right. So my comedy, I think this is like this, to me back in the day was the number one choice. Maybe it's been one and a half. I got to go with the OG Home Alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is actually the movie whenever I put it on, I'm like, oh, no, like Columbus and Code is a perfect movie.

From beginning to end, hilarious. Growing up in the Midwest and specifically around that neighborhood where that is shot, like, it's kind of like, it feels like home all the time. Whenever I see them running through the airport and O'Hare to this day has that exact same setup when it's Christmas, and they have the wreaths and the lights and everything. And I've been through that airport a million times. And every time I think about that movie and I feel at home, it's perfect. I will say, you know, as a black man, I was like,

Damn, we're not living like. I'm calling it. Did you see how they ruined that house now? Yeah. It's terrible. It's bad over there. They basically, like, made it all white, and it's, like, marble shit. It was already all white.

That whole neighborhood. Right. But, like, when I was a kid, I used to notice stuff like this. This is so, I would be looking at it and be like, God, damn, they house crazy. Crazy. Not only that, but their whole family. the idea of an entire family getting on a plane together

and going on a vacation a whole family going overseas to on a vacation on Christmas was nuts to me I was like what the fuck is this

they got money by the way that house fills their whole family comfortably it's just supposed to be like what the four of them instead like they have that whole house to themselves Like the rest of the year

To your point though As a black person I was like Yo people travel for the holiday Is they going on a vacation? I was like They all get together and now They're going somewhere

They lead a kid All of the All of the fucking logistics That it would take To get everybody together To get my people From Meriguin To agree to go to the same place

That my people in Baton Rouge Want to go to That would take a lot of fun Mark So is family to agree to go to New Jersey To have Christmas that my aunt in Philly was a whole thing like, you're not going to.

Yeah. We've had, literally we've had familial civil war about where, who was going to host Chris, it was just, I watched that, like, well,

if you had a rich uncle, you know what I'm saying, who was like, yeah, y'all come to Paris. It's all going to be good. You're not going to say yes. That's the thing. It seems like the Malacters.

They had that. The McAllister's have money. They might be, or Auntie Yulamay might have been like, what are we doing in Paris? I'll tell you, I want to go to Las Vegas. For the freesky?

I mean, who knows? I mean, I don't know if you know it's cultural. Anyway. She's speaking of culture. So, let's say space, right, it's me and my boys. I came to Home Alone one and too late. My first Home Alone experience. It was Home Alone 3.

Oh, no. I'm going to tell you some. Special place of my heart. I don't care what none of you'll say. I don't care what. The computer chip. The computer chip. The computer chip, Oingo, Boingo, man.

Scarlet Johansson is in that movie, by the way. He is. He's in the third. He is in the third home loan? Yeah. I'm telling you, man. Like, I'm not going to sit here and act like it's on the level I wanted to. It's not.

It's not. Don't let them lie to y'all. Right. But for me, when I turn that on, that's Christmas. That's wild. For me, so there are movies that I could choose, but I'm going to go, I always do is I'm a little classic. The quintessential Christmas movie. If it's not the number one Christmas movie, it is the movie to me.

me that demonstrates how Christmas movies have changed. And it's a wonderful life. Okay. So let me tell you how the Christmas movie has changed to me. Christmas movies in the past used to interrogate the themes of Christmas. Yeah. Christmas movies now interrogate the commercial aspects of Christmas a little bit more. The consumerism of Christmas.

of Christmas a little bit more. There's a Christmas movies before used to have Santa in them, the Christmas movies of the contemporary age are like about Santa. Right. Those are two different things. So it's a wonderful life. When Christmas time was about

like really some core beliefs and tenets that we no longer put a lot of faith into, like when Christmas was legitimately about family and a lot of these movies have like overtones and undertones that are about family and togetherness and all of that stuff, But also about, like, what it means to be part of a community,

what it means to give, what it means to share, what it means to look at your life and, like, kind of, like, ask questions about it. Christmas was this time where everybody would come together and you would assess, like, where you stood in your family, in your town, in your city, and what you could do for someone else and what that sacrifice was worth to you. Like the movies used to be about that That's what they were about That's what a Christmas Carol is about

A Christmas Carol as a movie I'm sure we'll get to that It's literally about being a good person And Christmas itself was a time Where you could show how good of a person you were Where you could show how much you cared about Less fortunate people by making them smile How much you cared about your community

By coming together to make sure that somebody Is not missing out on what the season is supposed to be Because they have less That's the whole lesson of Ebenezer Scrooge. And it's a wonderful life. It's literally not about the holiday as much as it's about this guy who doesn't realize what he has, which is what the holiday is supposed to be. We don't, like, the movies disintegrated from that. We literally don't make movies like that anymore.

The movies, they still get to that, but they get to that through the very colorful, commercialized, theme park aspect of Christmas. And it's not the movie's fault. it's literally because as we went forward, whole industries built their consumer engine around Christmas time. It's interesting because it's A Wonderful Life is actually, if you pluck the aspect of Christmas out of that movie, it's still a fantastic movie. It actually is kind of just set dressing for the rest of the movie.

It just so happens to take place in Christmas and the things and themes that are around it basically bolster the idea of Christmas. Christmas, the setting of Christmas, the setting of Christmas, the setting of Christmas, Christmas in the movie makes you, it really almost kind of, how can I, it, it, Christmas in its wonderful life is a floor setter for you. It makes you more emotionally receptive to the really deep themes that are taking place in the movie. Yes. Like, because it's Christmas, you accept some of this tragedy and stuff like that. You don't think of it as a movie about a guy that's in the middle of this existential crisis

that is questioning his family, his life, and everything. He's thinking of killing himself. Yeah, it's really a dark movie, but because Christmas is around it, you watch it with a twinkle in your eye, because if you didn't, it's like, you could make this movie with fucking Jared Leto, and it's a drag. Yeah, no, it's... I don't think

there's a lot of movies Jerry Letto are drag. I'm just saying, like, so when I think about this movie or a lot of the Christmas movies from the past, even Miracle on 34th Street, where they legitimately put Santa on trial. Like, when you think about some of the films in the past,

they were more kind of about the humanity and the actual sort of... The spirit of Christmas. I was saying, I'm 33, and I can remember as a kid being like, oh, when people started like, nah, we're not celebrating Christmas.

I do Kwanza. I do Hanukkah. And then being at school, and it's like, you could say Merry Christmas and you got all the decorations. And then it's like, no, we're doing happy holidays now. It just became another cultural fight. Yeah, it was just like,

and I was like, oh, as a kid, I was like, oh, that was probably the height of consumerism of, like, me realizing, like, oh, all the commercials, all the toys I rushed commercials, all the other things. And I could see people in my family be like, fuck this, this is Christmas, it's holy. And I was like, oh, to your point, I was like, oh, this is a cultural way. Right. But, like, you know, I just, so if I would have got the first pick, I probably would have taken home alone or elf. But it makes a lot of sense that this movie, for me growing up, Christmas time, it's a one. wonderful life, it was almost

a joke how many times the movie would come on. The movie will come on 55 fucking times every fucking day. On T&T. On T&T. And it would get you every time. The time at the bank where there's a run on the bank, there's real economic shit happening.

He's fun for his life. Yeah. It was a genuinely insane. The last thing I say about the movie before I go. The movie is kind of indicting capitalism. No, it absolutely is. You know what I mean? It for sure is. And it's kind of like, you don't want to make the movie that's indicting capitalism now surrounding Christmas when capitalism now is the driving force of Christmas.

Capitalism won. All the movies are just like that one. He is on that bridge because capitalism has grounded him into nothing. And he's like, and an angel says like, hey, it's not all about that. You guys, it just, it used to be okay to criticize the bankers. But in the 70s, the banker said, fuck you. Nope. We win.

Merry Poppins, baby. Run on the bank. All right, Steve, you got two kids. Real quick, what was that category in? Oh, shit. Was that set at Christmas? Would you cut out? What did you say?

No, I'm going to go. What were the categories again? Comedy romance, black. One black kids set at Christmas wild card. Let's go set at Christmas. Okay, wonderful. So with my go. Okay.

I'm going to start with, I'm going to start with kids. I know exactly where this guy going. I mean, it's one of, it's one of my, probably the more important watches that I need to watch every year. You had to take it. He had to take it. This is a Muppets Christmas Carol. Yeah, to take it.

It's one of my favorite Christmas movies ever. I'm not going to say the best Muppets movie just yet, but it's probably top two or three. It's genuinely kind of perfect, not only because it's like Muppets and it's a very accurate, like, retelling

of that Charles Diggins' tale, but it's probably the best setting for the template of what a Muppets movie is, and it's that the entirety of the cast is Muppets, but there's one human character, and that one human character has to play their role as serious as a heart attack. And Michael Cain, as Scrooge, is probably the perfect counterbalance to an entire cast of Muppets that not only makes it inherently silly and fun, but deeply meaningful.

Also some amazing nightmare fuel for some of these Muppets for the Ghost of Christmas present and passed. Great stuff. I will also say, it always used to break my heart when I saw Tiny Tim. Who did not die? I was like,

damn, not Tiny Tim. I love any movie that has Scrooge in it. I love any movie that has Scroo. It's a perfect story. That's because you are him. Yeah. What's your,

what's your Come to Jesus' moment where you're like, what day is this boy? What, like, what's the time that, warms your heart. I wouldn't even think it's like that. I think like if you're Scrooge,

what are the, the three ghosts that come to you? Oh, man. The ghost that takes pass, right? No, one of them, Kevin Feigey.

Yeah, Kenne Feigey. That's the ghost that takes present. That's the ghost that takes present. Can, once again, as we talk about the Christmas, Christmas caro,

because there are a couple of Christmas. Can we just talk about how devastating the movie is? Oh, my God. Oh, man. He was tortured by metaphysical demons. Right. Kind of the opposite of it's a wonderful life.

That came to him. Well, kind of. But remember, it's a wonderful life, you got, like, angels and shit like that. For sure. Like, he was, the Scrooge is legitimately tortured by people that show him his death. Yep. Hey, you living wrong. We need you to wake up.

Lock the fuck up. Lock in. Like, we need you to wake up. Like, literally, here, here, you're going to die. And it's going to be meaningless and nobody going to care. That girl. You loved him in school. The entire deal.

It's like a, that's a heavy fucking movie, bro. He's a heavy story. He wakes up because, you know what? I'm going to be a better person. I also will say, though, it's crazy that, like, Charles Dickens was writing this shit. And now, like, Scrooge almost kind of seems like cute by comparison of, like, the CEO. Like, we're like, damn, he's not helping out the people who work from or whatever. We're like, if we could give the Scrooge treatment to one CEO.

Oh, man. In the world. If we, if there's one. You only get to. You get one CEO in the world right now that you get to show them past, present, future, and get them to act right. Who would it be? Wait, not, I would just say most currently, David Zaslaw. Oh, shit.

No, who's, you saw him all the Christmas movies? Over Musk or Ellison? What? Who's the guy that was, like, on drugs? It's definitely must, it's definitely. I mean, it's Musk, yeah. If we could do the, if we could do what you're talking about Alex Carp, we got to. let him go.

Yeah, he's gone. Like, nah, he's fucking insane. Yeah. Like, if there's one CEO. Ooh, Peter Thiel. Nah, hell no. Wait, you want to be actually Trump? Hold on.

You got, you guys, you can't do it to the actual antichrist. It's not going to work. He's not going to work. He's not going to sleep through it. Right, yeah. You're going to try to do the fucking Scrooge thing to Peter Till.

And Peter Till is going to be like, he's going to talk to the ghost. What kind of money can be made in this? Like, just don't be a very humanistic take here. mystic take here. Like, you can't do it to Peter Thiel. It's not going to work on Peter Thiel. It's not going to work on Alex Carb.

I don't know if it's going to work on Musk. He's doing enough drugs to make it work. But I think Musk, I think it could work on Musk. Yeah, no, because he's going to be like high off the ketamine. Exactly. And the thing about Scrooge is the fact that, like, he seemingly fixes his life because he is motivated by fear. And is that, and like, I keep kind of wrestling with that,

is that, like, the best way? I don't know that he's motivated by fear. You don't think so? No. After his crash out looking at his own grave, and he's like, I'll change, I'll change, I'll change, I promise. I don't know. So I think if it was just the ghost of Christmas future,

then I could say that. But the ghost of Christmas past shows him how idealistic he used to be and like what kind of person he was, which there's almost anyone that when you think about what it was, maybe you guys haven't quite got, Charles is sniffing at it, but maybe you guys, well, wait, you're older than him. But like, when you think about what you thought was going to happen and who you thought you were going to be, it's always very profound. But to me, the one that always in any iteration of the Scrooge story that is the most effective is the ghost of Christmas present. Because they show Scrooge who's loving him right now while he's not paying attention.

Yeah. That even though he's such an asshole, even though he's such a son of a bitch that he is actively being loved. by people. He's being loved by people. They're people that wish he was around. And that plus, because by the time you get to Ghost of Christmas future, Scrooge is already kind of changing. He's already kind of, he's already kind of going on. I'm going to do a little bit better. And then they go, no. It's not a little. In 2025, do we believe our Scroooges get changed? Like, for a Scrooge, we're going to work. You got to be like, damn, we can save them. Now it's got to like, yeah, we got to kill you.

For that sense, you need fear-based motivation. That's the problem with Trump. The problem with Trump is if Trump went through all three ghosts and it came out or like after. Well, he would have come out. He would tell us. Like, he was like, I'm at three different. I can't do Trump. Three ghosts.

The worst goes. There you go. Hey. Excuse me. He's interrupting the president. Excuse me. And so I wouldn't believe. But no.

Fantastic. What's your next one? Next one. All right. I think I think I'm going to go, I'm going to go comedy here. I'm going to take National Lampoon's Christmas vacation. That's a good good back to back.

You're showing now. I got a, I got a call all that last one back. Remember when we liked Chevy Chase? Yeah, that was fun. It's a good time. Another Chicago-based one. I actually was kind of out on this movie when I was growing up

and only appreciated it more when I was in like my late 20s. And it's because of the inherent chaos and like, like, glossing over that Chevy Chase is doing his entire, like, comedy is based on, like, not losing his fucking mind at every single turn. And that's where that comedy is actually, like, kind of brilliant. Shitter's full. Again, an amazingly quotable movie.

I just think that, like, it's a perfect, like, ensemble and, like, wildly madcap approach to a Christmas comedy that again it's kind of perfectly like home alone

just about being together oh yeah I swear look I gotta be honest I I really really enjoy that movie I don't think

it's the funniest Christmas movie of all time it's not it's by far the funniest Christmas movie of all time overall yeah it's not even

fucking close but it It's one of the funniest movies of all time. It's, to me, when I say that, I mean, it's just not, to me, Christmas vacation. And obviously, everyone hates Chevy Chase now. Right, I get it. He was on one. Chevy Chase, when he is cooking on screen, is as funny as any performer that we've ever seen.

That movie is hysterical. It holds up. It is fantastic. all the side quests, everything, that movie is hysterical. I love that film. It's a great pick. All right.

You know, what I need, because, you know, I'm going to be a little adventurous, but I need a banger, though. I need a banger just to, like, solidify my team. So I'm going to go with How the Grinch stole Christmas.

God damn it, right. In kids. And kids. I'm going to go with How to Grinch's which version. This is what, this is what fucks with me. I mean, there's only one

version. I mean, that you got to pick. I'm going with the Jim Carrey joint. Great. And I hate this. Right. Really? No, this is the, it's correct. I'm going to need to go with Jim Carrey, but I like the OG cartoon. Yeah. OG cartoon is amazing. Honestly, I should go with the OG cartoon.

I should go with the OG cartoon. But at this point, it's so fucked up to say that the Jim Carrey version has supplanted the OG cartoon. It has. It has. It has. If you're going to draft one, you got to draft. I'm not drafting with my heart right now. I'm drafting to undergird the team. Right. But if it's the, if you got to go at one, it's got to be the old. But this is a generational

thing, though. No love for bed in the cumberbatch's. Man, I don't know what you're talking about. They released the They did a CGI-I one. They did the creator. The idea of the creator had a cycle for it. Yeah, yeah, they didn't. I didn't watch it. I know. I saw the doctor's, original cartoon first. And even when I was like a kid and I saw the Jim Carrey version, I love Jim Carrey, but I was like, there's something about this.

It's not by Grinch. Yeah, I mean, I To me, if you're asking me, the animated version is superior. However, the movie has kind of taken over and it's one of those ones, man. I don't think that I've loved a Christmas movie more with my, like my sister intimately more than this movie because we've loved Jim Carrey growing up. And in a weird way, this might be one of our favorite Jim Carrey movies because his level of comedic commitment to what he's doing. with that character is actually like insane and amazing. And as like out there as that movie is, it's not like the best movie,

but every single aspect of it down to the sets, down to everybody's like interesting performances, they're kind of the best they've ever been in what they've done. And Jim Carrey's just been that character now forever. He's the man. It's a perfect role for it. Yeah, he's the man. Perfect role for it.

When he pulls the tablecloth down, and it doesn't spill and he comes back. I'm pretty sure that was like improv. He was supposed to all mess up and then it didn't so he went back and messed it all. Like he was perfect for that role. By the way like the Grinch in

the animated version is not very funny. No, he's a Grinch. He's a Grinch. There are funny things that happen because he's so mean. Right? But Jim Carrey's Grinch is just like fucking hysterical. He's unhinged. The whole fucking When he's eating the glass bottle and he's like, excellent year.

Yeah. Yeah. So like, but I'm going there. Okay. So now, I'm surprised. It's on the board still. I think this is a top five Christmas movie. I always hate that this take has taken over just the culture.

But said at Christmas, I got to go die hard. Yeah. Die hard has just been one of those movies that. He stole that for me. That was going to. It's just the one where it's like weirdly too. I think because like you will want. watch so many Christmas movies. I think just by like cultural inertia, sometimes you need a break.

Yeah. And Die Hard gives you a little bit of the flavor of like the time of year, but it gives you the action. It's a perfect movie. Let's have the debate yet again. I would never include die hard on any team of Christmas movies that I'm drafting because I don't believe it to be a Christmas movie. But yeah, that's why we have to set it. That's why we have to set it. But I believe. lost this, but because of my protest, I've lost this debate. Give for, let's have the debate for the final time, which will not happen here, but let's say this final time.

Give me the reasons die hard as a Christmas movie. I think, like, I'll give you the reasons why it's not. Well, it said at Christmas, it has a Scrooge, Grinch-type character at the center that has to, like, realize, like, what's important to him, which is family. It kind of has the anti-capitalism bent. of like this rogue cop,

like having to literally metaphorically scale a very tall building. Oh, oh, I have your gun. Like, it's very much like set. Like,

it's not just Christmas as a backdrop, like a couple of these movies. No, no, no, it uses Christmas like as, as a device in the movie. Like,

I feel like that makes it a Christmas. Yeah, but you could also use it as like, it's, say Patrick's Day. And then you just like, he just goes top of the morning motherfucker or something like that.

No, but here's the thing. The reason why I feel like it has to be said at Christmas, is that Christmas to me is the, besides Valentine's Day, and more so than Valentine's Day is, like, showing your love for people, or when it's just like, oh, a big grand gesture of what family means. And Die Hard literally is that. He is going to save, like, his ex-wife or whatever, like, going through all this shit.

That is a very Christmas driving force. So the reasons why it's not a Christmas movie to me is, number one, I don't think every movie said at Christmas is a Christmas movie. I agree. Yeah. Number one, number two, this movie came out in like July. Yeah. Okay?

So, it's horror movies come out all the time. What did you say? Horror movies come out all the time. I know, but I'm saying it's like they, when they released a movie, they didn't release it as a Christmas movie. They released it as an action movie that's set at Christmas. Okay. Number, the other is that, you know, it's copaganda. And I don't know how much we go.

All right. All right. With your woke bullshit. With your woke bullshit. Yo. Boo. We need a spare coofy just to have... You don't get to say that.

Yeah, that was wild. That was wild. That was raised. Spare coofy. Was it race? Yeah. Race, race eyes. No, but I just think that the film...

And then when you know a little bit about, like, the... How the movie came together and, like, what the movie was supposed to be. It's not really a Christmas. Christmas is the device in the movie. Most Christmas movies have the Christmas spirit. And I don't think that Die Hard has the Christmas spirit. It absolutely has a Christmas spirit. I don't think that is Christmas adjacent.

It's Christmas adjacent. I don't think that Die Hard is the Christmas movie. But I think it's one of the more interesting film debates that we've been having ad nausea for the last two years. My last question on Die Hard is when do we feel like that argument started happening? Because like... 2015, yeah, something like that. Like I don't remember growing up anybody arguing about. over this, but then once it happened,

it was just like every year we have happened. I feel it might have just been one of those takes that just caught fire and then everybody just agreed that like, oh yeah, it's a Christmas movie because it's Christmas. And then it's like ironic because it's just an over-the-top action movie that also happens to have Christmas in it. And they're like, yeah, we'll just ride with that. Also,

another thing is, I think Christmas movies have to be for the whole family. Die Hard is for the whole family. McLean, that diehard is brutal. Yeah. Like, we're so, used to watching die hard on television. Yeah.

And the edited version of Die Hard, diehard is a direct, violent, and very, very nat, like it's an aggressive action movie. Not pulling any punches. McLean is walking on the glass with his bare feet. He's killing everyone he has to kill.

Like, Die Hard is a hard-ar action movie. That's difficult to get the whole family together to watch on Christmas. Man Not my family Y'all families Because we watch Sure

We watch all kinds of shit Man I'm really trying to think I I got two picks back to back And you You snipe die hard for me I'll go to be completely honest I mean I could take

Diehard too here That seems That seems a little silly I'm gonna go In Wildcard I'm gonna go love actually Oh that's my That's a that's a pick

I mean We could sit here and talk about it For hours But like The cards There like this is a, you know, quintessential. I mean, it's, I love that because that's

dirty Mac into, like, it's pinnacle. He's like, hey, hey, hey, I'm doing a caro. And it's like, hey, I love you. We should run away. Don't listen to him. Come be with me. That's crazy. Favorite story? Bill Nye and his manager. Dude. That was so sweet. I love that. I got way too many Bill Nye

stories. I knew somebody in college whose mom dated Bill Nye or something like that. Really? And for Christmas, they all got signed, I did either sign photos or signed books. I can't remember which one. Wait, wait, wait, would she married to someone else at that point?

Not, no, no, no. I think this was, like, actually, I think she was divorce. Oh, because I was about to say, like, if, like, you send in, like, Bill would not sign of some shit for my kids, like, that was your old boo? I'm throwing that shit in the trash. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you come by the Crave, be like, oh, what's that?

That's a Bill Knight, book. I'll tell you what, if I had the accolades of Bill Knight, again, that would be great, but I don't think I would be as egocistical enough as to send signed things of me. No. What are you talking about? Tom Cruise be sending cakes tomorrow. Everybody. Everybody gets a his face with the cake on it. It's just a cake.

Everybody get a Tom Cruise cake. Yeah. Being on the Tom Cruise cake list must be great. Nah, I'm not like coconut like that. I'm not there yet. I'm not that woke. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. All right, what's your second picture? I am going to go I'm going to go kids. I'm going to take old Claymason Classic.

I'm going to go Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer. Nice. Tell you something. I got so many thoughts about Rudolph, man. What's wrong with Rudolph? What's wrong with Rudolph? What's wrong? Why? He wanted to be a dentist. The elf wanted to be a dentist. So I'm proud of Rudolph in a way.

In a way. Rudolph took his disability and made it into a superpower. And that's a very important message for kids. But I can tell you guys one thing right now. Right. There is a Rudolph in every workplace in America everywhere, and y'all never like him. Y'all like Rudolph when he's doing his thing. but there's never been a Rudolph

that you've worked with, that you've been on the team with, that you've in any way interacted with that you've ever liked. So you're saying that we as a society have not taken the lessons. I'm telling you right now that Rudolph for kids is cool.

Right. And Rudolph is dope until you meet a real Rudolph. Until you meet somebody that is you and your homies and y'all been working together for five or 10 years doing one goal.

And then some whippersnapper with a cold and nose red come along and lead the way and what y'all been doing. And then not only that, has the fucking nerve, all right, has the nerve. The audacity. The audacity to have the song written about him when you've been arranged. Now, I see, I do see that, though, because if you comment, you dancing, if you dancing, you're looking around like. Yeah, it's like, it's like, I've been here. Can I be honest? We've been doing this for 10,000.

Christmas's. We've been doing this for however long... We've been doing this for a long time. Rudolph come along, have one good moment. Now, he gets the song... He never liked the Rudolph. So they're telling me that the other reindeer's was like, yo, Rudolph is a DEI hire?

Not a DEI hired. That's what you're saying. I mean, he's not a DEI hire. I would say DEI, but there is a level of like... Remember when Brown, we were talking about Braun and before he got drafted and the people at the Cavs were like, yeah, yeah, he'll be great to pass me the ball. You know, they would start.

It was just like, oh, man, we're the man. We're gonna stick around here. Braun show up. He was the guy. Wait, so are you saying that Rudolph, Rudolph won't, because we got one Christmas with Rudolph.

He had it, like, he got a Jeremy Lynn season. It was Lindsey. No, no, no, no. Do you think Rudolph? He was a franchise player after him. No, no.

Rudolph is Bronny, y'all. Roe. Whoa. Whoa. Calma. Gama. What's the respect are Rudolph's name. Yeah, man.

play stop the cap, man. That's crazy. Respect our. Honey? No, but no, here's the thing. Hold team together, shining, doing their thing, all of a sudden, like, Rudolph get minutes just because Santa went, hey, you. And then he let him to the chip.

Maybe. Maybe he did. Hey, we don't, you know, honestly, we assume that they got through the blizzard because of Rudolph's nose. We assume that. Because let me ask you a question. What are the chances of all the Christmases It's at winter that there was never a blizzard before.

This is the first blizzard they had. Yeah. But it's probably only to get them out of the North Pole. So excuse me, you guys, they live in the North Pole. You mean to tell me dancer, comet, blitzing, all in them. Like we've played in the snow before. They live in, they couldn't get, so it took Rudolph. No, Santa, Rudolph is like his homie or something.

Santa had a special thing. It was Rudolph. So nasty. I'm telling you, it's a misrepresentation. of the bitch. You guys are hating on Rudolph. What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, I believe in the reindeer that been there for a long time showing and proving.

That's who I believe in. This is that meme where it's just like the players were like, Rudolph, the guys described in Ruehaw is like, he's a bitch. You know what I'm going to do? Soft, soft, pretty boy. So you know what I'm going to do? This is what I'm going to do. I'm going to put it to the test.

I'm going to put Kai right there. I'm going to see how y'all like it. Kyle, oh, oh, oh. You know what? You know what? Y'all all. No, no, no, no. No.

No. Ha, ha. Ha, ha. Faye's getting right now, isn't it? I'm going to put Kai right there. I'm going to put Kai right there in the middle. And we're going to see how you guys fuck with it. We're going to see how y'all like it.

Van, won't you lead my take tonight? Like, yeah. Donner, blitzing. Like, we go. Get this pretty boy out of it. Get this pretty motherfucker out of here. I'm going to put Kyle right there. right there and we don't see how y'all like it.

Kyle and Jack Sanders. All right, man. Come on, man. I chuck, you're up next. All right. In kids' movie, I got a shout out, you know, my big titty goth, queens.

In kids, I'm going to the nightmare before Christmas. I was going to take it. That's why I thought she was about to pick. I can't take that movie because I haven't seen it. What? a nightmare? Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, in your very religious home. Yeah, you couldn't watch this. Was that? Nope.

He's scared of claymation. Well, that's also true. I told the story. You're scared of claymation? Yes, I don't like Coraline. I can't watch Coraline. I can't watch what Norman? Paranorman? An amazing movie? I'm out. I'm out. Coraline, fuck with my head. My line's great. I don't like Coraline.

No, so I think, I told the story I'm in addition, but I have, what's the word? I have seen Nightmare for Christmas, but I haven't seen it. Right. Cultural Osmosis. It was on. You've seen it around. Yeah, it was on. But as a milk merchant, that's something like,

you gotta really, like, tap into it. Nah, dog. Nah. No making cookies with that movie on? No. Well? Yeah, kind of. Oh? Yeah. The movie explains us what fucks you up about the movie? No, no. I haven't watched the movie. It was on in the background. Right. But you won't watch the movie. Why? No, no, no. It's just not something I'm interested. Like, I'm just not like, man, nightfall Christmas because it's not my thing, right? And so one time I was like, yeah, let's go watch it. And then we didn't watch the movie. It was just there. And so we, I told you the story. I told you the story. You did. Wait, was you laying pipe while nightmare before Christmas isn't on in the background. No, it was a drive-in. This is like peak COVID, right? This is like November, December 2020. Right. And so you're in a movie. You're in the movie. It's on the big thing. You're like, yeah, we're going to watch movies. and then you don't watch the movie.

It happens. Then what can you do? But yeah, Claymation is weird. So, like, I'm not, like, already into it. That was already me taking a leap right there. And then, you know. The only thing that I'll say about that movie is that it's one of my biggest cinematic peevs when people think that Tim Burton directed that movie and he didn't.

It's, I mean, it looks like a Tim Burton drive. You can't. It does. He was a producer. The shit is called Tim Burton's the Nightmare Before Christmas, right? I just, I don't know how y'all be getting into that, man. I mean, people. if whoever

who directed Nightman before Christmas you shouldn't have let Tim Burton put his shit on that then don't do that then all right it was like back in the day y'all was letting Drake on y'all records

it's a Drake record okay and we and it's like so it's like if you don't want your producer dancing all in the video if you don't want your producer dancing all in the videos

like you know I don't understand Tim Burton dude diddy hey oh man wow man so like

it's different stories about producers and like it's like like artists going to hearing songs in the studio and going, yo, I need that record. You know, like, Rihanna, her

consideration, we talked about that, was like, yeah, I need that record. I'm like, I love how Tim Burton saw the nightmare before Christmas. He was like, I need that. Come up off that. Yeah. Come up off that. Henry Selleck, get out of you. He's like, you know, I directed that shit. And Tim Berndtner's like, shit, that shit says Tim Berton.

It sucks because he's made so many classics. He's made Coraline. He's made James and the Giant Peach. Monkey Bones. So he got his shit back then. He don't need that one. Tim Burton packaged that up and put that on the streets for us.

Okay? So he don't need... Hey, so what's his name? Tom Selleck? Henry Selling. Come on, man. I don't know what like that. Henry Selleck, you're a legend.

You got, what else he got? James and the Giant Peach. You got all... You don't... That's Timber... That's that... That's that Tim Burton shit. Wendell and Wild.

I don't know what the fuck that is. Yeah, you just made that. Jordan Peel joint. Okay, cool. But, like, he, he, it's just like, speaking to Jordan Peel, though, it can go the other way. Because all him was was Jordan Peel, Jordan Peel, Jordan Peel, Jordan Peel. What I was important to get people to go see him because him was a movie that I thought was very interesting, but it's a difficult watch. So when you get people out there, it's, look.

Do we think that right now in Black Horror, we're at a point where it's like, you need the Jordan Peel co-sign? Where it's like, people are just like... Jordan Peel is the man in black horror in a way that I'm not sure any. black performer is and anything else right now. Any black name, when you talk about just value for specific. Cougler, probably. Cougar's there. Cooleers, those two guys. But I've seen a movie that's been like,

they have to put Coochler, even if you didn't. Yeah, executive produced by Brian Cougler or something like that. I'm just saying right now, Jordan Peele the craftsmanship of the films and what they've been able to do. Like, I don't know that black audience, you guys help me out. No, I don't think this. that black audiences have been into a psychological thriller horror director like this to where they understand the branding and what they're getting.

And it means automatically you check it out and lend this. The closest is probably Tyler Perry, but not in quality. Well, no, what I mean by, I mean, Tyler Perry movie, you know exactly what you're getting, right? Yeah. Sure. In this particular genre, the Jordan Peel cultural psychological thriller slash horror has been branded to such a degree that it inspires immediate entry. and like you have to be a part of a conversation about the movie there's going to be some type of allegory or larger thing

and it's just like to your point most directors can't get you to sit for a movie that you know is going to like make you think be difficult most like and he gets you to be like all right shit I'm I'm in my seat going like Nolan you know Nolan's going going to give you a lot yeah but you're there for it because it's Nolan right so Jordan Peele has just been able to do that's what I'm saying sometimes man get up off these movies man you got you got nightmare before

Christmas get up off that shit. Big Timmy need that. Big Timmy. Timmy does not need night remember for Chris. Big Timmy do not hate it. You mean. Hey, what's his name again? Michael Selling? No.

Why do you keep Henry Selling? You're doing that on purpose. I'm fucking with him. Like, legitimately, all jokes aside, is like, I saw Coraline because I saw Coraline because Kanye was going crazy about it. When did he go crazy about it? I remember that. He went nuts about it.

Really? That's about Coraline. Man, I went and saw Coraline. Coraline fucked me. I can't do it. I can't do it. Amazing movie. Be like, like, really, really.

I'm like, yo, so I'm not trying to dissing. I'm just saying. Yeah, yeah. I get you. I get you. All right, so where are we at now? Who's next? This is a tough pick for me.

Okay. Because, like, being in a third position is always interesting. Right. So I'm just going to go with the shit that I like. Right. There's a movie later. that I'm expecting to be on the board. I mean, it's only, like, what, three picks away, two picks away?

Hold on for a second. I need both of these movies. Which one do I draft? I got to take. You got to take the one you know he's not going to pick. No, I have to take the one that if my sister would, this is for, Ebony Lathen. This is for us. I love you so much, Big Sister.

This is for us. I'm picking Scrooge. Hell yeah. I'm taking Bill Murray Scroo. Scrooge is great. There's one movie that is nearly as far. as a Christmas movie as a Christmas vacation.

And that's Scrooge. Scrooge is so good. I continue right now. Right now. I've never seen this movie. I say this right now. Unironically, don't give me loss in translation.

Don't give me ghostbusters. Don't give me Groundhogs Day. Bill Murray's single greatest film performance in his career. career is scrooged. I love this. I love this.

I is a movie that is so heavy on premise that it captures the character inside of the film and it gets to his ending

and watching the character change is amazing. But the premise of Groundhogs Day is doing so much work, which is the other

to me masterclass performance from a guy like Bill Murray who's had a million fantastic performances. You go Peter Vinkman,

you go Groundhogs Day, you go Lost and Transylance you can go rush more, you go so many times that he showed up and you're like, Jesus Christ, this is one of the greats. Scrooge is the perfect role for him.

He is a little bit of the fast-talking asshole. He is a little bit, there's a scene at the end of the movie where the kid who plays Tiny Tim, he's not physically disabled. He doesn't speak. And when he speaks, Alfred Wooder claps her hands,

and it's like, I'm so emotionally paralyzing because of what you've watched at, by the way, to make the Tiny Tim family black in the movie, that's woke before woke. They was cooking with grease. But when you just go back to Bill Murray's face in that moment, if you go back to his face, his face is completely lit up.

He's legitimately pleased that this family has gotten through this. It's very quick, but it's a guy that you trust so much, It's a face that like when you see Bill Murray, you know it's time to have a good time. But you also know there's a darkness and an asshole and it's to him. So the arc works so well. I just think it's a transformative, amazing performance and a really underrated Christmas movie that we never really discussed. But Boone's brilliant in the film. I haven't seen the movie, but Tiny Tim's family is poor and destitute.

Yeah. Is it woke to make a black family? Poor and destitute? Or is it different in this movie? No, no, no, no, no. So, okay, so in this film, like, she's his secretary. And her son... He's a TV executive.

He's a TV executive. She's his secretary. Her son has, like, hasn't spoken since his father died. And throughout the whole movie, he completely ignores everyone. He ignores what everybody's going through. It's about him. It's about climbing a social. It's about all of that stuff.

And there's, just like in the other movie, there's these parallel stories of tremendous. tremendous human suffering that he's completely oblivious to. And the movie is actually brilliant in the way that they weave in the whole Scrooge lore with this, like, modern tale of this guy

who doesn't get a fuck about. There's a cab driver that's really cool. Cab driver. It's a really, really fantastic film. Got a lot cute. But he's, like, amazing in the movie. I think it's the greatest performance of his career. Fantastic thing. Frank Cross. I got to I almost had a similar take on

a performer whose best role was not like their biggest movie, well, not the biggest movie, but like most poor movie, it was, I had a take that Will Smith's best role was Hitch, but I originally went back and watched the men in black movies. Special. Special. I agree with Hitch. Like, this is insane. It might have been. I think Hitch is legitimately his best role.

I think that's Will's best role. I think it's his best role. Hitch? Yeah. I do. It might have been. It's been a minute since I've seen Hitch. It's special.

Hitch is Will. Can I tell you what? Can I make the case for Hitch? Make the case. Okay. So Hitch is a breezy C-plus romantic comedy. But just, you know, take a moment to appreciate even Mendezze here. Of course.

That bumps to a B. Every right. Easily. Will is such a star in Hitch. Come on, man. Will is such a star in Hitch. Will is in total command of every scene. There is a purity to the character in terms of you're looking at Will.

Will looks great. This was when Will was at his peak. Physically, he was at his peak. Charisma-wise. You are almost in hitch. You're one of the guys that, like, you're Kevin James. You're looking at all of this cool on the screen, all of his movie star on the screen,

and that's the reason for being there. The entire thing. There are no aliens. Like, there's no guns. No guns. Just have a guy throw a movie on his back and go. There's no Martin Lawrence. There's no big time sidekick to put in the movie to go off of.

It's just Will being a movie star. And that shit made like $250 million. Just busing. You're taking it over. Why? You're taking it over men in black. Pursue of happiness. I'm like, pursuit of happiness.

That's crazy. How dare you? But I'm just saying Will at the peak of his powers. Will is over Independence Day. Independence Day is such an ensemble. And it's like. destroying the earth and all of that shit. Will, at the peak of his willingness,

to me is hitch. And it's weird because he never really went back to that. He never went back to that. Yeah, like, he never, he never, I don't think he wanted to be seen that way. No, man. At the peak, at the peak he's interesting, like, he never went back there. Self-perception of Will's career where it's just like this is what I need to look like at this time

in my career, where I'm like, I just think. The things he's turned down and the things he says yes to. What is the top gun maverick for a Will Smith? Not the role he needs to return to, but the, like, it never happened. He tried it a bunch of times. It never, it never. Well, I mean, so the problem was, like, he was hunting for the Oscar. He finally got it.

The only problem is the same night, he slapped the hell out of Chris. That's the greatest moment in Will Smith's career. What? The Slap? Slaping Chris. He's the funniest. Damn, Will 57? Dude, when that happened.

Will's 57? Yeah, we don't, yeah. Stuff doesn't break the Internet anymore. That broke the Internet. Because I wasn't watching it live. I was at my, I was at a family friend's house who had a good time. And I'm like, it's the Oscars. I'm watching it, like, I'm watching it on Twitter.

People start going, that's, that's a bit, right? That's a joke. Right. It's a clip. I apologize. Hitch made $371 million. Oh, amazing.

And what, 2007? Like, I don't think. Oh, that's a hit. I was still in Louisiana. Oh, yeah, February 11, 2005. 2005. Huh? What was the budget for Hitch?

50. 50. 55 to 70. 55 to 70. So let's just, let's call it 60. That's half. That's basically, today's money. That's basically like half a bill.

Yeah. Come on, man. That's different. Now, and then you're like, oh, and then you see the clip. And you're like, Oh, that's a fun little bit. I don't know why he would fake slap Chris Rock. That's crazy.

Then people from the dobley are like, no, that wasn't. Well, no, it's, I remember because I was filling in producing the big pick that night. And I had to watch live. And they muted Will yelling at Chris. Right. And like, nobody knows what he is, but I could read his lips. We can know what he's seeing. But, like, I scour Twitter to try to find the uncensored version of that.

And, like, it was the first time I had to find, like, the Japanese translation. of the Oscars to hear Will Smith and a Japanese translator say, keep my wife's name out of your fucking mouth. It was the crazy. My favorite is when they had the Black Summit. They took, they had the picture like Denzel and all that taking world to the side. What did Denzel say to it was like the devil's going to try to pull you away for something? Yeah, something like that.

So last thing I'll say about this. Of all the black people that were there last night for the black, for that night, should I say, for the Black Summit, there wasn't one person who did what I thought they should have done. Which is? Give Chris his ones. Yeah. I agree.

Backstage or... Give Chris his ones. I don't know. I haven't heard the story or whatever, but there should have been somebody like Will, I know you went too far. He had insulted your wife and stuff like that. But, you know, we're the delegation. You got to let this man get his ones.

No, well, you got to get his ones and then it's over. And then it's over. It's over. Let him get his ones. I feel like I heard someone saying that Will said that Chris could come up and smash. him or whatever maybe but Chris needed to get his one maybe Chris didn't want him maybe Chris didn't want to yeah but you can't

be at the Vanity Fair party after Wilson I'm just really curious have they ever been in the same room since I can't imagine why I'm guessing I'm guessing not maybe he reached out and he tried to do all this stuff yeah there ain't a big deal of me shit happens but but I mean you can't do that in front of the in front of white people

oh I'm fuck that shit fuck that fuck as you talk about I don't know like it's not how no I don't give a fuck about none of that fucking Dumb-ass shit. Here's the thing. Here's the problem. I'm surprised at you. That's a fact thing.

No, no, no. Because now you got, I'm not saying I agree. I'm just saying that because now Judd Apatatow is on Twitter saying, you got to kill him. I don't fucking give up. I don't agree with them.

I don't agree with them. I don't agree with them. I don't agree. I don't agree. But I'm like, yo, look, why are we having these conversations? I don't.

Why are we doing this? Y'all ain't never seen nobody get smacked. Good for you. Why are we doing this? I didn't see the shit happened before. That's a problem. man, kill that shit. I agree with...

And I agree with all of that. But that's the problem. It's now people are, like, talking out their mouth. It's like, yo, man, like, what are we doing here? Nah, hell now. It's like, one thing happens that, like, I'm okay with, and then other people start talking, and I was like, oh, this is just too much.

Man, look. The whole thing is too much. Don't get me started now. No, no, no, get started. Because I like Adrian and Brody up there talk for an hour. Right. Yeah. That, to me, is worse than the slap.

Adrian and Brody go up there, kiss Hallie Barry. She didn't ask for the kiss. Shit happens. shit happened on Sunday, Monday came. How many times, like, you horrified? How can you be, how in a world where white men routinely go into schools and execute everybody in the school can you be horrified by Will Smith?

Smack and Chris Ruck. Like, I don't, that type of shit, fuck that dumb-ass shit. I don't get to fuck about none of that. He went crazy and he smacked him. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday after. and the fucking life goes on. I want to be very clear. I'm not doing like race politics.

I just mean white people take stuff too far. And so when Chris, when Will Smith did that, white people just went crazy. And now we're online for two weeks yelling about how Will Smith should be banned for the Oscars, how Will Smith should be pressed for charges. I'm like, yo, this is not, this is too much. Man, what are y'all doing?

He should, what did little Rell say? Little Rell say, Hey, Will should have never did that, but I get it. But yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? I don't, I, in no way, shape, or form. it was just just to be clear in no way shape or form

think Chris Rock deserved that no way shape of form probably a bridge too far bridge too far but guess what man sometimes that happens it happens it happens

it happens it happens it's okay I like I saw it happen one time I'm not gonna bring up those names but I still I still remember

I still remember you don't forget it niggas think they tough until tough arrives I remember we playing basketball in the back of the gym, we hooping, everybody, you know, a nigger talking shit too much.

Bam, popped them in this shit. I'm like, what you call? You're going to take that? You're going to do. And you know what? Made a decision. We know who this guy is. You don't want none?

Probably saved your life. Fuck it. Guess what happened after that. Do you respect a guy more when he's like, I can't win this fight? Or when he's like, I'm going to go down swinging. We just talked about this. It depends on who the fight is with.

Yeah. I'm being ripped for real. because if this is just, we had a rest and peace to my homie George, right? I know we get off on the tangent. You're fine. Rest and peace to my homie, George. If you find yourself in a fight with GT, you fucked. Rest and peace of GT.

If you find yourself in a fight with GT, you fucked. You're fucked. Never seen anything like it. Never seen anybody in life like George Temple from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Never seen it. Like an apex predator. Born to fuck you up. strong explosive hands come in either handed you if you fight yourself in a fight with gt

gt fucking you up but he would not kill you meaning you not go fight george and then have george go to his trump and put four in you that's not what's going to happen okay but there are guys in baton rouge that that is a consideration if they lose you can't you can't fight those guys there's a got there are guys in baton rouge that would be joking around because shit if i can't beat you I'll shoot you. You got to think. Right. Then, yeah.

No, when I was in Philly, when you would get that, all right, I'll be back. I'm like, yeah. What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, we talked about this on higher learning.

You can't be a whole ass nigger, but you have got to consider that you got to be smart about it. Like, GT, beat your motherfucking ass, and it's going to be bad. I mean, they're going to beat your whole fucking face and fucking fucked up,

but he ain't going to kill you. And after y'all fight, it's over. Yeah. That's it. But not everybody is like that. So sometimes you got to pick your battles. Yeah, it's about picking about it. We're in a Christmas draft.

Christmas, baby? Okay. Who's pick is it? Steve. Okay. Steve, what do you thoughts about Chris Rock get a slap by Will Smith? I think I've stated everything that I need to. All right.

I think there are so many movies set at Christmas that I think I'm going to let that category sit for a minute. I think I'm going to go black because a bit of an away game for me. I don't know that many. You're going to go black because it's a bit of an away game for me. way game. Out of context, that is a little crazy.

That's crazy. I'm gonna pick a black lead Christmas movie because I don't know that many. Right. I have not seen that many.

Okay. So I will go with the one that I remember the most and that is last holiday starring Queen Latifah. There you go. It's a good movie.

It's a good movie. Yeah. Well, by the way, as much as we talk about all the stuff that Will Smith has contributed and all of that stuff, you know who else?

Yeah. Is a 24-carat gold rap, hip hop, performer that can do anything on that screen. Queen Latifah. Queen Latifah. You and I TY. Y. Why? That's a unity.

Is she now more known as an actress where it's like I feel like if you are not, like when I grew I was in, I'm not, like, what I grew up, I'm just like, oh, most people just know her for actors. Oh, yeah, I didn't know she was a rapper until I was way too old. This is the generation. Yeah, that was way.

I was like in high school and I was like, Queen Latifah made records. She's been an actor longer than she's been a rapper. How many seats did she did? How many seats did? What was she did with Steve Martin? That was my joint as a kid. That was so good. Oh my God. What was it?

Was I bringing down the house? Bring it down the house? Yes. I watched that. Eugene Levy's like, you got me straight tripping, boo. But that was the,

she just, there's just certain people that stars, man. Yeah. That stars, man. In New Jersey, New Jersey gave a lot to the culture. Latifah,

Joe Button. Like, Lou Jersey gave a lot to the culture. Betty Walk. Fucking, Red man. Red man, naughty by nature.

I'm gonna say Kyrie, but I don't know. Kyrie? Kari, yeah. New Jersey gave. a lot to the culture, yeah. All right, Steve, you got one more? Yeah, I'm going to go with...

I'll take my wild card. It'll be in the romance, and I'm going to take the holiday. Oh, it's very special. A great rom-com. Kate Winslet in that movie. Kay Winslet in that movie, man. You love her?

Kay Winsley, does it? Oh, brother. Special. First of all. First ballot? White girls? Is Kate Winslet the first ballot? It's tough.

I mean, what depends on your bed. It depends on what you like. It depends on what you like. In that movie part, like, okay, first battle hall of fame for sure, I want to say, like, if we're talking like first team for that year,

for what's that, 2005 maybe? Yeah. Yeah, man. Because I'm thinking, like, because the holiday was okay. You know how, if we came in like a bean and in between,

right? Jack, she's getting romance by Jack Black, the movie. It's fantastic. Jack Black's a charm machine. Charmachine. I'm in that movie like, I could do that. It gives you hope.

It really gives you home. I'm in there like, bro. Because Jack Black is funny. Like, the whole movie's great. Cameron Diaz and Jude Law on the other country going crazy. But I'm watching Jack Black romance, Kate Winston. I'm like, that could be me. It's because Jack Black's character is being nothing but himself the entire time.

It's amazing. There's that scene where that the counter whatever. And he like, and he like grazes her. He's like, and then they're playing up. Accidentally. do it. And it's like charming and fun. I'm like, yo, that could be me. If I put my mind to it, if I work hard,

I can do that. Yeah. The holidays is an amazing movie. That's a special movie making right there. I've never seen it. What? You've never seen it? Oh, it's so fun. I don't like that type of shit. Oh, it's so great. Ju-Log, great. I feel like I've only seen their bits and pieces on my TV. Nah, man. That's, again,

when I was watching all the rom-coms. I don't like that type of shit. What? What are you talking about? What is? What about it, don't you like? So I feel like my era in the wrong combs, the wrongcoms really ended where you've got mail for me. I need to get back to my rom-com back.

Whoa. You really should. That's not true. That's not true because I like Nick and Nora's Infinite Playlists. I like, but there's a gap there. I like, yeah, but I like, what's the other one that we talk about all the time? 500 days of summer? I guess that's a rom-com.

It's kind of not a horror movie to me. Yeah, I guess, I guess there's other rom-coms that I kind of get into. But I don't, the rom-coms that came along, mid-2000s, that was like, I want to say the peak, because obviously, you got, like, that's the made in Manhattan era, Jennifer Lopez going crazy. That's like this is so tough to watch me. Now? I watch the proposal. I do not like those movies. I think you might have just seen the wrong ones for you.

The proposal's fine. Like, it's cool. I think once it got to that point in my life, maybe I was looking for more serious depictions of those. How to lose a guy in 10 days? It's like I never really Okay Nothing from the Maccada era Nah that's all that shit's too young

I don't know I'm off Check the holiday I watch the holiday The holiday is really something special It's really really really fun Got the next pick Who's pick?

Oh it's my pick I'm going to a movie that stars a kid A film that's aging Interestingly with the Christmas audiences I don't feel like the film is as revered as it used to be Maybe it's culturally expiring I'm here to stop that

I'm going to Christmas store Yeah. I'm on a Christmas store. Honestly, you're going to shoot your eye out. Gold-plated classic. One that stars a kid and is about a Christmas and a family. A movie that was like a staple in my house. Ralphie, yeah, Ralphie, man.

Shout out Ralphie, man. Ralphie was the man. It freaked me out as a kid. His tongue got stuck to. That was really, that was a nightmare for me. Like, I think maybe it's because the movie is, the movie is peculiar. Yeah. It's a peculiar Christmas movie.

Maybe people have an issue with that. parents are right he shot his out my my my parents loved that movie and i think that was the first movie that was like overhyped by me to where i'm just like this kind of bounces off of me it's kind of of my parents generation to like hear that kind of story in like a bit of a like nostalgic way when i was just a kid and i wanted to see something that was a bit more of the present but it's a nice story it's very cute but i i like it now you how you hell hit i don't hate it i don't hate it i don't hate it it just doesn't like ring like a bell for me i love it i don't give a fuck with you're like, you're not, you like,

all right, damn, where am I going to go? I got Wildcard, I got Black movie. Lock in. All right. In Wild Card,

what's still on the board? In Wild Card, I'm going to go with my heart. This could have gone in kids. This could have gone set at Christmas, but what's the Will, uh, Lil Wayne line?

When I was five, my favorite movie was the Gremlins. Nice. Oh, That's actually my number one in my heart. If I can only watch one. Interesante. The mogwise, the fucking, when, dog, when the evil Kremlin with titties.

Yeah. Cremlins is my shit, bro. I love that movie. It's kind of a classic. Gremlin is kind of a horror movie because dumb dudes kind of a horror movie. It is a horror movie. It is a horrible. It's about little fucking monsters that take over the town.

Right. So for me. Can't believe you said what you said about white people in the Oscars. You know what I meant. You know what I meant. You know what I was trying to say. You know what I was trying to say? I explained it.

Okay? The problem was not that it happened in front of white people. Said that white people saw it and they took it too far. And so now we have to do all this fighting. We have to all come together and be like, hey, y'all got to chill. I'm going to fuck what white people say. I don't either. But you also have to.

Wow. Wow. Wow. Chuck, I'm right here. Devin. Devin. Jacob, we love you. We can't do that.

Absolutely not. We can't do it. We got to take that. Jesus, John. Please talk about grueless, man. So for me, we got a deep shout at that. We're going to come back.

No, no, just bleep what he says because I like the rhythm of that. Jesus Christ, man. My daddy jumped out, bro. Now, see, they're going to hear you say that. And they're going to be like, start talking all this mess. Judd up and talk about him. Twitter and be like, yo, you could have killed me. You could have killed me with your worst.

I know, I'm not respect for Jeff Appetalachian. He went too far. He went too far. That was too far. No, so, for me, it was like a Christmas movie, right? The thing, like, when I first, we saw it, like, I think, it might have been like sixth grade. They showed a lot of movies to us as kids.

Sixth grade, it's like Christmas time. Cool, we watch a Christmas movie. And then I'm like, yo, this is scary. What? Why? Why are we doing this? And six grade? It was scary?

Yeah. Because I, this is like, I didn't know what I was giving myself. Did you? Again, we watch a Christmas movie. They put it on the last couple weeks of school. You're not trying to teach y'all nothing. Here's go to Christmas movie. And then I'm like, hey, man, these little monsters, they, they messing up everything.

I don't really like this. I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't messing with it. So, you know, the Gremlin's, I love them. I love the Gremlin's. But the Gremlin's annoying me, man. Why? Too plucky? No, no, no, no.

The Gremlin themselves are fine because they didn't do nothing. And, you know, Magwa That's your man. That's your man. That's your man. That's my man. Gizmo. Excuse me. Gizmo is my man. Like, Gizmo is my guy. Gizmo is the one, right? Gizmo is nice. Gizmo with need be. Get busy. You see, Gizmo and Gremlin's 2 with the fucking Rambo thing. Yeah, he's going crazy. Gizmo need be.

You know, you could argue that Gizmo is maybe a Sambo because he goes against his own people sometimes, but they really not his people. Is he a house slave? But see, it's not his own people. He really up against the demons because they've now turned into the bad versions of themselves

because you feed them after midnight, right? So you're not supposed to feed them at the midnight, they turn crazy. So I love Gremlin's. I love the whole deal, but the human beings and Gremlins bother me so much. Follow the rules

Idiots. You don't get a movie if they follow the rules. Stuff like that is hard for me in the fucking movies. Midnight to win, because technically it's always after midnight. Midnight to win. Wait, does it change in time zones? Ooh, if you fly them on a plane and it comes midnight. My question, top three people at the ringer you would not trust with a Maguire.

Like, they would turn into a Gremlin immediately. Well, Bill, number one. It's going to happen. He was too busy? Oh, yeah. We were hanging out. We gave him a... You know, we gave this...

It's a great cookie shop over our Lachmock. And we gave him the cookie. Next thing, I fucking know the guy's green. I don't know what the fuck. And it kind of reminded me a lot of Brady in O.A.

Right. He turned into a demon. It's just out of nowhere. It's like you feed Brady to ball and he turns into a demon. And that's kind of like a Grimman. It's kind of the same thing. You get to a Bill Simmons' impression,

but you can't do a Trump impression? That's different. Bill's walking take. So I fed this Maguire today and Mal would... What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you, man? What's wrong with you, man?

You got to... Bill, so Bill, who else? Mal is holding me. No, Mal's absolutely following the rules. Mal's following the rules. Well, he was not following the rules. I was absolutely giving Gizmo some tuna. Now, now will have a whole house

full of green, grimace. And they're going to be probably cool with it. Honestly, I'm putting myself third because I'm having a whole army of gremlins. I'm leading them off. You're going to get the gremlins to go bad on purpose. The whole shit. The gremlins are what they are after they turn green, right? Because it's mob-wise.

You mean they stay that way? They turn into gremlins. Yeah, they turn to gremlins. I will say they were killing the gremlins. They didn't even want to lock them up. Oh, no. The gremlins had to die. They were going too far.

Yeah. That's, again, I'm sitting there. I'm like, yo, man, they're supposed to be the movie name out of the gremlins. They're supposed to be the homies. I'm, they messed up the whole town.

I can't do this. No, I'm rising up with the gremlins. We just mantled in the Patriarch. You're going to be the Jake Sully for the gremlins? Wait, nah. Well, there was, in Gremlins, too, there was a gremlin that was a woman with big lips that wanted to, like,

there was some gremlin biciality going on time. Well, here's the problem. At least in Avatar, Jake. Oh, she wanted gizmo. She didn't want the human guy. You have to think about it. Jake, Avatar, looked at Natery, and was just like, oh, I could get busy.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. If you put your mind into a gremlin and you think you fucking a gremlin, you're like, that's disgusting. See, now we're talking Avatar, but it's gremlins. I'm not fucking a gremlin. I would fuck the Navi. Yeah.

Like, did you get it? Yeah. Navi ed. Not a gremlin. Yeah. Because you also got a little gremlin dick now. Yeah, you got the, it's like a whole situation. Yeah, but it's a gremlin size.

So it's a normal. I don't know if the gremlin's, I don't know if the gremlin's reproduced that way, though. Don't you just reproduce? Do you put them in water? Have reproductive organs? They just reproduce. No, they don't because the water makes them reproduce. The water makes them reproduce.

But then why would they have titties? I don't know. A lot of questions. Wait, you think tithes are crucial to reproduction? Well, like, if they're reproduced, they don't need to drink breast milk. Yeah. Well, that's possible. I think it's possibly a byproduct.

They could conceive by normal methods like we think, but also. No, but they don't have reproductive organs in terms of, like, penis and virgin... We don't know if they have it or not, by the way. Yeah, but we don't. We don't. We have no clue. Right? We leave that to the size.

We'll leave that to the fresh. By water. Interesting. I mean, do you know if they're mammals? Like, this is like, I guess they have to be mammals. No, the gremlins seem reptilian. But if they have... They're like...

They're like a mammal. But then the gremlin is reptilian. That's what it seems like. Interesting. Yeah, because they have tithies and they have their mammals. Memory glants. No. Who else?

Okay, next. Your last two picks? Last two picks. I think you have Black movie. I got Black movie and I have Sit of Christmas. For Black, I'm going to go Best Man's Holiday. Oh, I knew it. Yeah?

Yeah. That works. And then for, well, you know, I'm going to do it. For Saturday Christmas, I'm taking the Santa Claus. Oh, great. Surprise it stayed on the board this long, but it is a horrifying movie. It kind of is a classic, though. Here's the problem.

I can't watch it anymore. That was my Christmas movie because we didn't have cable. And they put that on ABC all the time. All the time. All the time. And I was like, ah, Tim Allen, let's lock in. And he kills, he's killed Santa on the roof. And he opens the jacket.

First thing he can do, like, all right. Yeah, he's robes him. When he got on him, just a car, it all, nothing. Now you're Santa. And I don't know, man. Like, that's one of those joints that I think, like, there's a little bit of like, you just become, you just take over the man's life. That's a little crazy.

But not, man. But it's a classic. Claas. Santa Claus. That's the contract. That's a classic for me, big. So good pick. This last one is really tough for me, man.

No, I'll go next, right? Oh, you're next. I'm going to go with my heart for the only time ever in this draft in black movie. Most people, like, if you were around at this time you saw it, this is my mom's favorite movie. I was watching it this morning. Dog, the preacher's wife is an incredible movie. It is. Denzel, Whitney Houston.

It's like I was watching. I'm like, we do not make movies like this. Like, we, it's just, my heart gets so big when I watched that movie. Not familiar. Can you give me the premise? A preacher who's basically, like, the church is, like, on hard times. The community is hard times. He prays to God.

Like, yo, I need help. And then Denzel is an angel that comes back to earth. And the pastor, the preacher is married to Whitney Houston, and they kind of have her problems. and you know Denzel up in the mix. Angel falls in love with the... Yeah. Because in the...

Oh, with the beginning of it. Yes. Denzel's a little creepy because, like, he walks in and there's like a secretary and he's like, he starts like sniffing old girl. He's like, sorry, it's been a while since I've smelled a woman.

What the fuck? And Whitney and Whitney and him got a little thing going on. And even what's Whitney Houston's mom in the movie, legendary actress, is just like, hey, yo, there's some trouble in your house. You got to get everything right. Denzel is a horny little angel.

That's so funny. Well, I need to see this now. You actually is a great movie. It's so funny because, like, you can go through his, um, for his IMDB from 1990. Mobedo Blues, Malcolm X, much to do about nothing. The Pelican grief, Philadelphia, Crimson Tide, uh, courage under fire, devil and blue dress. The preacher's wife. He got game to see the hurricane. Wow. To take a break and do something a little lighter.

It's just, it's just like, it's just in the middle of an amazing run. I'm doing like, I'm, I'm serious actor man, Denzel Washington, and we love him, we know him like that. And then, like, in the middle of that. Horny Little Angel. Nah, nah, if you got a chance at that point to star opposite Winnie's going to do it, you got to do it.

You got to do it. You got to do it. It's me. It's you. All right, so I have Black Christmas movie, and this is tough. I mean, you got to, there's one you got to take. Oh, there's two. There's two?

There's two. To me, there is two movies here that are, for me. Okay. This is, and I'm just going to call the movies out, even though there's still movies left to be drafted. There's two movies. The Black Christmas movie to me is a duel. Okay.

Between two films. That's almost Christmas and this Christmas. Wait a minute. Yes, this Christmas. Almost Christmas and this Christmas. This is, to me, this century, the two best black Christmas movies. Let's compare these films right here in terms of the cast.

I want you guys to see these casts for yourself. I have not seen either of these movies. This Christmas is Delroy Lindo, Edress Elba, Loretta Divine, Chris Brown, Columbus Short, Regina King, Keith Robinson, Lazaroonso, Sharon Neal, Sharon Leal, Lauren London, and Mikai Pfeiffer. Bangor cast. When did this come out? This is 2007. Okay.

That's when Chris Brown was still acting and people still like them. I've seen this one. Almost Christmas to me. I have not seen almost Christmas. Sorry, could I just get like the premise of like either one of these movies? Families coming together, Christmas style, black stuff happens. Okay, great.

Asking for the preacher's wife premise and the premise for almost Christmas. I don't know. I don't know the lore. I'm sorry. See, you know, wait, wait, wait, hold on. We let me finish. But we knew Home Alone. Yeah.

And National Lampoom. Let me get to it. Almost Christmas is Kimberly Elise, Danny Glover, John Michael Higgins, Romney Malco, Monique, J.B. Smooth, and Gabrielle Young Young. Young, Young, Young, Young, and Geree, and Gabrie. That's, I mean, I got to be, you know, Jesse T. Usher is in this. Nicole Ari Parker's in this. It's tough. Omar E. Go with your heart. D.C. Young Fly is in this. Okay, well, now go with you. D.C. Young Fly is a fantastic performer. Nobody said he wasn't. Y'all some hate nass niggas. Nobody said it wasn't. I hate y'allels. Wait, because I don't like DC Young Fly, y'all go whatever.

Y'all say Jack Blackers or Jack Blackers, man, DC Young Fly is a fucking fantastic performer. Y'all don't like yourselves. Nobody said that. I, this Christmas and almost Christmas. I go this Christmas, but I know you go this Christmas. But this is tough. Go with your art.

Go with your art. It's almost Christmas, man. There you go. Almost Christmas is a comedy joint is a little bit more of the comedy to it. It's a little bit like whatever. This Christmas is a fantastic movie, an amazing film,

but if I'm picking between these two titans of a black Christmas movie, I'm picking DC Young Fly. I'm picking DC Young Fly. What's the beef? What's the beef with DC Young Fly? DC Young Fly is funny. That's you guys.

He's talented. Nobody said he wasn't. He can rap. He can sing. He can dance. He's a fantastic performer. Like he's amazing. You guys.

don't like, Jomey, you, nobody said he wasn't. This is a, for you today with the Oscar thing and the DCO Flyers? I explained myself. Wait, why is it, why is it we aren't,

we're not pro black if we don't like DCL. You can't be that pro black if you don't like DCL Fly and be awesome. That's, I don't actually think that's what it is. I just,

because he's, you know what? Because already you're going to try to kill me for the Oscars take. I'm going to keep my mouth shut. How about that? Go ahead. Get your takes off.

Get your shit off. I know like he's done work like I mean why he was wilding out right hilarious love that kind of stuff we already got cat williams uh we don't need so that's all walling out was good for no man it's just a level of every like it's that's crazy chuck i love walling out that's way more than cat will listen listen you like wilding out more than cat william no no no it's like wild out is way more than just cat william i got i'd say this man cat williams can act for real if you look at chico car DC Youngfly 85 South Comedy show.

Funny. What they can do on stage. It's funny. No, it's not funny. To me, it's three geniuses, virtuosos up there, combining their talent to do something that's really singular.

I legitimately look at D.C. Youngfly as one of the single most talented people in this entire industry. Musically talented. talented comedian can do it on screen and he just continues to grow

I didn't know he made music that's interesting like no I just actually why am I hate actually I'm being a hate necessarily shout out DCML like why was I doing that

my bad like I hate when niggas do that I was being that asshole Scrooge came around you just hate on and think him for no reason GCN fly never did anything I got a bias

you know when he meets like when you first find somebody and they like boasting online and then they start acting. Like, all right, bro. I see what's happening here, man. Like, I remember, again, my romantic comedy phase, I watched, um, he's all that. It's the she's all that remake with Addison Ray. And I was like, this is one of the worst movies ever seen. I don't want to see no,

if you got a TikTok, don't ever put yourself on a movie ever again. That, and that's where it started. And so when you, like, they see him for a lot, how are they supposed to grow? You're not wrong. And maybe to your point, I'm, I just got a bias when I, like, people I follow online and see online making these skits and these jokes. I'm laughing. Now, then you act for real in real moves. I'm like, I can't take seriously. You don't want me to touch real money. I see you. I see you. I just say, you know, all I say is maybe I am Hayden. You might, you probably right. You know, you talk all that. I just say, this is why I say to people.

You're probably right. This is why I say to people. You know, we talk all that black shit, black this, black that. Then you ask somebody like, who do you love comedy wise? It's like Michael Serra. And I'm like, you like, DC Young Fly and they go, no. I'm like, I'm like, ah, man, you're looking funny in the light. That's all I'm saying. I'm fucking around. That takes time on being serious. All right Do we have any picks left? I got one more

What is it? Set at Christmas? Set at Christmas There are so many good movies There are. Take Iron Man through? Can I just like Real quick run for my

Alarral Mentions before I get to my actual pick? Yeah. The ones that I have on my board All of these are amazing I vouch for this all the time. Kiss Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang Tokyo Godfathers

Eyes Wide Shut Lethal Weptain Right. Long kiss good night. All great movies. All fun. But I have to take. Batman returns.

I know it. Have to. Goodwill toward men. And women. I love that. Another Tim Burton joint. Yeah. No, a Tim Burton joint.

There wasn't another Tim Burton joint. It was. Wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is some white-on-white crabble. This is crazy. I'll hate on Tim Burton. And anybody I thought you would be a Tim Burton. Wait, wait, wait.

Let's get to the bottom of this. Tim Burton's got an amazing run. He has an amazing one, unimpeachable classics. But I can't think of a same thing. single director that's fallen off harder than Tim Burton. I mean, yeah, like you, but he had his heyday. He put, he put up like numbers. He's washed now.

Yeah, now, but you, okay, but, okay, Jordan was washed on the Wizards. That don't mean the Bulls don't exist. Yeah, but Jordan didn't go for like a decade plus after he was washed. So what are Tim Burton's most washed movies for you? Oh my God, Dumbo? Dumbos, dumbos bad. The Alice, the Alice movie was bad. Beatles, Bruce wasn't good?

The one he did. I saw the first one. I saw the first one. It was fine. I didn't think about that. Also, let a man get some money. Like, he in his phase where he's like, I just needed that. Disney legend. You'll be hating on the white directors. First James Cameron.

I'm just, I just, for somebody that made, like, okay, what is it? Wednesday, don't like. Dumbo, don't like. Both the Alice movies, no. Big eyes. What the hell? Franklin Weenie, okay. Corpse bride, fine.

Corpse bride's in your wheelhouse. You ain't no real. Yeah. No real goth nigga, bro. I'm not. Probably not. You're not. You're not.

You don't fuck with the corpse. He hasn't, but he hasn't been good since, like, big fish. And that was in, like, the 2000s. Are you trying to throw us off the sand? Because you love some women who like corpse bribe. Yeah. This is nasty. They can like corpse bride.

I don't have to like corpse brunt. You ain't no real got. Yeah. You ain't no real. Oh, so we haven't lied saying that we like the movie that our girl like? Fake demons. I'd never do that. Fake demons.

Fake demons, bro. You ain't no real goth. That's crazy. crazy, man. Did you have a got a... Did you have a goth era, Steve?

No. But you just... His goth era was being inside of the goth area. Okay, stop. Stop. That's his...

We're not doing this. We're not doing that. You knocked out some goth joints. We're not doing that. You did. You had some goth. Bad man returns.

It's my pick. Don't defend a man that made the Planet of the Apes with Mark Wahlberg. All right? That's all I'm saying. Don't defend that. Tim Burton is a 24.

carrot gold, minted fucking Hollywood creative. Why do you think he gets to make dumbbo? He's made three. You say he made like three-table mouse needs a stooge and he's like we need, we need to Michael, don't call him a stew. Tim Burton is a stooge. What are we

on today? Steve! Wait, so you, wait, wait, wait, so you say Tim Burton is your D.C. Youngfly. No, I'm not saying that because I like D.C. Young Fly. We hate today, man. You know what niggas going crazy.

Peawee's Big Adventure, Batman, Beetlejuice. Again, Amazing run. Batman returns, Ed Wood, Mars Attack, Sleeping Hollow, Planet Eapes, not so great. We stop right at Big Fish. So Charlie the Chocolate Factory? No. You don't like that movie? That movie's not bad.

No. That movie's good to me. All right, yeah, we're lying. Yeah, we're lying. Yeah, we're lying. Yeah, like that movie's good. We're lying. And also, can you name me...

I like Beal Juice, Beetlejuice. No. Name me another director who had a run that long that doesn't have a falloff. That doesn't have a falloff? Yeah. probably just from the 90s on probably no one I guess I think Spielberg in the 90s was pretty

right no I'm trying to remember okay but no no no but you're talking like you get to Spielberg like Spielberg had a fall off war of the world you know what are we talking about? No no no it's like he has peace and value we say fall off like who had to qualify yeah like who falls out of favor creatively

from their classic era which almost every performer dance. Yeah. Right? Like almost every guy. You could make this argument for everybody. I don't know. I'm just like the way that this man sells that aesthetic to me.

Also, I get that. But part of this is the industry. Like, I don't even know if they're giving Tim Burton in the bag to do something that's a non-IP. Like back in the day, he's like, I got this crazy idea for Edward Scissorhands. They not make it as Edward Cisorhands in 2025. He's old as shit. He's 67 years old.

He's oldish. So what I mean is that like when you get to that age and you've done the stuff that he that he's done, two things happen. Number one, your ambition in terms of what you want to create changes. Sure. And also the amount of headaches that you're willing to deal with on a production change. That means you want bigger budgets. You want sign off. Tim, from the studios, Tim Burton said the first time he had to, the first time he didn't have to fight to put Johnny Depp in a movie was, was Charlie the Chocolate Factory.

and that's because that movie came after pirates after pirates of the Caribbean so think about putting all of that stuff out and still having to go back and forth for people creatively sure so like now all of this big stuff is big colorful stuff wants to make a little movie he's got nothing left for sure and I'm talking about it like I'm calling balls and strikes like this isn't incredibly nuanced and a massive creative overall but like it's like you know fall off I look fuck it you know what that's how you feel and but I'm just saying damn Tim man I'm not going to come for DC Young Fly I'll tell you that

yeah DC Young Fly, y'all. I'm gonna put them on the phone with y'all. Great. I'll happily take that call. Nah, but I love the 85 South Comedy Show. I think that the guys are hilarious, right? I think those guys are.

All right. Let's go over our list. So, Jomey, you had Elf, Best Man's Holiday, Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, Santa Claus Love Actually. I had Home Alone, The Preacher's wife, Nightmare Before Christmas, Die Hard Gremlins, Van had Scrooge, Almost Christmas, How the Grinch Stole Christmas, It's a Wonderful Life, for Christmas story.

Steve, you had National Lampoon's Christmas vacation. Last holiday, Muppets Christmas Carol, Batman returns the holiday. Damn, I don't even care who won.

This was a dope draft. I feel like this might have been my strongest draft. I'm just going to say it. I think it's definitely your strongest draft. It's crazy. I didn't know you had

this much Christmas spirit. It's really, it's really my calling, you know? Right up your alley. Way to go, Steve. Thank you. Steve, indelible part of the Midnight Boys.

Just get off Tim Burton's back. Don't be mad just because he stole y'all movie. because that movie was for something was for was for was Henry Lemmick huh what's the nigga name who made Harvey Henry Lennick What's the name of the guy who

Henry Selleck Henry Henry Selleck Shout out to him Coralette Coraline but that's that's that Burton All right that's a wrap

This week on Ring averse Feed on Thursday but Nash gives you their 2025 game awards What I was thinking about the Daws bar or the JZ bar about Naz in a takeover with Harvey Seleck, Henry Seleck is his name? Henry Seleck is the director, yes.

Yeah, he made it a hot nine, Tim Burton made it a hot song. He made it a hot line. You made it a hot song. That's crazy. And I kind of don't know how you sample my voice. Nizzen James going back and forth. Also on Thursday and Friday, the House of Ars count down the best fights in the century so far. Our producers are Alea, Devin, Jacob on social.

Hashtag D.C. Young, Why Not? Why not D. I like D.C. Youngfly. No, you don't. You said you spoke your heart. An additional production from Arjuna, Ramgo, Powell. Chuck, take us out. Jomey wants us to behave in front of the white folks.

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