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Episode Date: September 11, 2022

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dot sweetgreen.com. Welcome into the ringerverse, the ringers Nexus podcast feed for all things. fandom. I'm Joanna Robinson and I am here with Charles Holmes. Hi, Charles. And Van Lathen. Do you get?

Charles. Jr. By the way, just, I'm spelling my name in a new way, guys. So Van Lathen Jr., two ends, but they're not where you think. I'm skeptical. All right.

We're not here to talk about Shee Hulk yet. We're here to talk to you. It's a special episode of House of Midnight, and we're here to talk to you about the D-23 presentation that we saw today here on Saturday in Anaheim. We sat in a big, massive hall for three hours and watched footage. We saw cast members. We saw all kinds of stuff. Van and I almost got to a fight in the middle of presentation over Dairda.

Over Dairdiv. We'll talk about that too. Yeah. So if we're a little loopy, that's because we were in this weird sensory deprivation ballroom for three hours. Before we get into all that, some quick programming reminders. This Sunday, Talk the Thrones is back. Chris Ryan, Molly Rubin, yours truly. We're here to talk about House of the Dragon right after the episode is done.

On Tuesday, House of Our Returns with their deep dive into the latest exciting episode of House of the Dragon. the Midnight Boys They'll do something But based on the fact that Van read All of Fire and Blood And is really excited about House of the Dragon I gotta imagine You're gonna talk about House of the Dragon

So I haven't read all of that I gotta read a little bit more But basically I'm through it Let me tell you guys something That shit is off the chain I was wrong And a lot of people are going to be listening It's going Van you said you'd never read it

You know you guys be better than that I've read it when I was gone I loved it. It's fantastic. Burn all the books. I'm not reading it. Thursday, Ben, Lindberg, and yours truly will be back to talk about She-Hulk. And that, I mean, that's enough for now, right? There's rings of power on Friday, then we'll do it all over again. There's a lot going on on the ring of verse.

Follow us on socials. You know what to do. Today's show, though, we're going to talk about all the news and events that happened at the D-23 Expo, including Lucasfilm, Marvel, and Avatar. Charles is so excited to talk about Avatar. They showed us like three hours of Avatar. Like, no joke. Like, I was just like, at first I was like, this is so amazing. By the third hour, I'm like, yo, like, I've seen the entire movie. They showed us like 15 minutes of Avatar.

But it felt like three hours. It felt like a lot. We'll talk about it. We're going to start, though, with Marvel because we don't want to keep you winning for probably the thing you might be most amped for them. They gave us a lot. I went in really worried we weren't going to get a lot, but we got a lot. Let's start with Wakanda Forever. We got...

We got a new trailer and footage. Van, how did you feel when Angela Basset walked down on stage? Let me tell you something. Would you like to reenact the noise you made? Me and Charles. Why does everything have to come back? Why is it just me? Because you take it to O.D.,

because she came out and I'm like, damn, she's beautiful. I think you just took it to another one. Brough. It's not even about... she is like, she's like, ugh. Angela Passett is a very,

very, very, very beautiful woman. Paul's the podcast, like just go on Twitter, Instagram, look at how she looked at the event because it was a moment where I'm like,

she looked amazing. God damn. And we had seen a bunch of questionable sartorial choices up until then. And she came out looking amazing. She did. And she's also sort of the featured performer.

in this clip that they showed us. Absolutely. Where she, as the queen of Konda, is squaring off. And this is stuff that wasn't released online. So we're going to sort of vaguely describe what we saw. Basically, the queen is staring down Toby Ziegler from the West Wing and someone from a representative from France. And basically, she says, you know, I know what you think.

You think you can come in and get our vibranium. You heard the king is dead. You heard what Kanda is undefended. and then we get this incredible heist sequence, essentially, where the Dormelage come out of the darkness and kick some French ass, right? Yeah, they were asking them, they were positing that

vibranium is too dangerous for Wakanda to have it all. Right. And they're like, oh, my God, like, we can't detect vibranium with any male detectors, which I actually didn't know until just then. Maybe that's something that I missed, and then that blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you see the heights,

and then the Dormel Lodge come out of nowhere. And I didn't know that they could block bullets. Yeah, apparently the Oscar-winning costumes from Ruth Carter are bulletproof. Yeah. They're probably made a vibrating. I know. What I'm saying is, like,

they got shot, and then O'Coye took her spear and she blocked a bullet with it. Crazy shit. That scene from Waukanda Forever was nuts. It was great. The trailer was amazing. Namor looks incredible.

There was a ton of Namor in that trailer. Every single time he was on screen, I was just like, this is about to be one of the wildest villains who get to see. And let me tell you something about Namor in this situation is, you know how back in the day when the first daredevil of Ben Affleck, I'm not talking about the trial of the Incredible Hulk? Because I know you guys like to do stuff.

Like, that's not the first daredevil we saw on screen. The first devil that we saw was fucking the trial of Incredible Hulk. Yeah, but when Ben Affleck did it, that they changed the costume with Namor? They didn't do shit. This is a classic representation of Namor. Every time we see him, he is shirtless in his skirt draws. Preferably wet.

Yeah. Like often fresh from the ocean. Does his whole thing. A little creepy looking. You know how Namor in the comics is a little horny? Like every single time I saw Namor, he was like behind somebody. Learing. Like just, yeah, leering.

You know who he was leering at, Angela. Angela Bassett. Angela Bassett. Hey, I can't believe my mind. 100%. He was on the beach leering. But I think that that character,

first of all, is such a deep character for me and such a character that I've loved for so long. You know what I mean? And it seems, as with the little that we've got, the faithful adaptation,

this is what seems like. Yeah. I thought also, like, so Tenoch Puerta, who's playing Namor, came out on stage and talked a lot about, like, how this felt deeper

than entertainment for him that it was like exploring a culture that he thought was really important. We had a couple messages like that throughout the day, but like I thought what he said was really felt really powerful to me. I loved hearing from him. He's great. He's a star in the making. I can't wait to watch it.

Anything else we want to say, the tech is fun tech, said Winston Duke, and it's different from anything. I think we heard the phrase different from anything you've ever seen before, about 20 times on stage today. But Winston Duke says the tech is new and different. So that's something to look forward. to. My question is, how much do we think

Angela Bassett is carrying the emotional heft of this movie? Because the footage that we saw made it seem like a lot of the story is centering around how she's dealing with the death of her son. Well, we didn't get, we got only

a little bit of Leticia Wright's Shuri in the trailer and we got no Lupida Nongo, right? In that trailer? And she wasn't at D23 even. Yeah. Yeah. Curious. Question.

We do get a black panther Someone in a black panther But we didn't see the full suit I think we only saw the bottom like the lower half We saw ankles that looked a little lady like to me It's definitely a lady It's definitely sherry But it doesn't have to be

Maybe maybe a couple of people Has anyone ever thought about the fact That a couple of different people Could wear the black panther Anyone can wear the mask Is something that I've heard From one Mr. Stanley So you know

But you have to eat the heart-shaped herb And then go to that stressful plant Maybe you don't Who knows Anyone can wear the mask This is my thing. This is what I was into, to your point. What I was into was trying to determine what the landscape and the emotional sort of,

the emotional temperature of Wakanda is in, subsequent to the death of the Chala. And it seems like the trailer wanted to project strength. And that kind of lends itself to the Wakanda for every title of the movie. And as much as we're going to. going into this film anticipating what will be an incredibly emotionally difficult thing to do, which is to once again say goodbye to Chad with Bozeman and Tichala. It seems as if the movie, in a way, is standing in rebellion to that. Like, the king is dead.

You think we're out here. You think we're down. I know they're going to be part of that. But I think they're going to fight and let, almost to say that, I don't know if I'm this story can go on with. out to Chala at the center. Yeah. It seems, and that's a very interesting clip to play to set the tone for a lot of people that

were going to be talking about the movie, I feel like. And I think also, I think that first trailer that we all saw coming out of Comic-Con that was so emotional, like that felt like the morning trailer. And this feels like the strength next comes strength trailer. That's really smart. Anything else I want to say about Wakanda forever? I feel like there's something we're leaving out. Didn't we talk about something?

Charles, why don't you consult the copious notes that you took? The copious notes. Bullet points on his tone. I did. I took. They're making fun of me because I like to be prepared whenever I'm going anywhere. But yeah, to your point, Angel Vastis says the king is dead. The Black Panther is gone.

They have lost their protector mocking the courtroom that she's in front of. It's just I was not expecting that. much Angela Bassett. That's the only thing I have where I was just like, this is interesting that they would make her the focal point. When in the first movie she was not, like she had great scenes, but she was not the focal point at all. So, hey, I'm excited.

Along with Namor in the trailer, obviously we get more Rie Rewe Williams, Iron Heart. Don't worry, we're going to talk about Rogers the musical in a second, but I want to talk about Iron Heart really quickly because this feeds directly into the Iron Heart show that is, coming out fall of next year. And Ryan Coogler, who is directing Wakanda Forever,

his production company is making Ironheart. So he stayed on stage to talk about it. We saw a trailer. There's a lot of Anthony Ramos who plays The Hood, uh, is his character, uh, in that. And he talked about he's a misfit, taking in other

misfits. She talks about making a suit that's going to be like his. I'm guessing Tony Stark's, but better is what she said. How much do you guys know about both Ironheart and the Hood. I know nothing about the hood. I read a little bit of Iron Heart Heart there. Same, same.

So the Hood is like this character where essentially when I was reading comics, they wanted to position him as the next kingpin. And he was the character in the comic books who went out of his way to take all of the sea list villains in the Marvel universe that say, there's way more of us than there are of them

come join me because there was a power vacuum. The kingpin wasn't around anymore and the hood was trying to be the next kingpin. So it seemed like what Anthony Ramos was trying to say is that like they're... Took him a minute, yeah. He's trying to...

They're trying to make a character who it might not be the CELA's villains in the MCU but it are outcasts who are looking to him to be like, all right, you are the next crime lord. That's interesting. Also, I think Feige said that he's a dealer in the dark arts. Yes. And Feige said this really interesting thing where he was like, we've had a lot of supernatural stories.

We have a lot of tech-based stories. But this is the first one that's going to be supernatural meets tech. So that's like Riri's tech and the hood's supernatural. The hood gives him like mystical demon-like powers that are very, very hard to control. So I'm going to be very interested how much they're going to connect this to Dr. Strange, if at all. if this is something where they are setting up more for the hood because the hood is a character that's been in Marvel, the mix for a couple, like, decades now.

So it'll be fun to see if Anthony Ramos is like, oh, I'm taking this because one day I might be in, I don't know, younger than yours. I got to be honest with you, there's one guy who combines technology with sorcery. And I want to see him before I want to see the damn hood. I think you guys know who I'm talking about. It's four letters in his name.

and he's a medical doctor. His name is Dr. Dune. It's a real mood. So if we're talking about goddamn guys who combine technology and sorcery, that's who I want to talk about. And guess what? Guess who we didn't get to, you know what? I'm not even going to fucking.

No fantastic four news. What? That's okay. Was it a little rough? Was it a little rough when like I love Kevin Fagy? Like it is very, very clear how long he's been doing this because he's like a master of ceremony. He just knows what the audience needs and wants.

but one of the most awkward and there were a lot of awkward moments today. Mad awkward moments today. Joe, be honest, Joe. It was wrong. There were mad awkward moments today. Yeah. I would say number three, not even number one.

Number three, starting at number three, was Kevin Faggy being like, and Fantastic Four. And Matt Shackman's in the audience because he doesn't have anything to show you. All right. On to Echo. And I'm like, what the fuck is like?

Yeah, the transition to Echo was tough out of the no news from Fantastic Four. And I feel like the only reason he did that was because the rumors were so strong that we were going to get Fantastic for today. So I think he felt like he had to at least say the words Fantastic for to acknowledge that that's what everyone was expecting. He's like, sorry, moving on Echo.

We're going to get to Echo on a second. But first, I need to talk about the most important thing we saw today. Van, how did you enjoy 20 minutes of Rogers the musical that we got? Okay. So look, here's a deal. Don't lie. Don't lie. Don't lie.

I'm not about to lie, don't. So here's the thing about Rogers, the musical. Here's the thing about the whole deal. It was like, it was really well-time to wear it. So Kevin Fai, he comes out, he goes, you know, I look at all these other places, and I see they get to do these great musical numbers. First of all, I've never been watching anything

and thought to myself, Jesus Christ, this needs a musical number. I don't mind a musical number. I love a musical number. I love it when it's, you know I love musical numbers. you know why I never need them, but why I like them is because, like, everybody looks so happy. That boy's musical number where they're going through the hospital. I watched it like 50 times. It is so...

A delight. Dope. It's so delightful, you know? But, and he goes, boom, whatever, whatever. And then he's in mid-sentence, and he introduces the great composer. What's the guy with gentleman's name? Mark Schaman. And they started playing the music. At first, I think they're just going to play the music.

And then they go to the stage where there's a screen and I think they're going to play something on the screen. No, my friends, the fucking performers are here and we're about to do, I can do this all day. Not the abridged version. No, no. Whole version. The entire song of I can do this all day.

Start it off with people and then all the Avengers and then they're screaming and yelling. I'm not going to lie. I had to mentally tune out at a certain point I was being assaulted, sensory overload, streamers were falling. But it was cool, but not really fucking why I came there for. But the people who come to D23, that's what they come for.

Like, I've come a couple years and, like, they did like a live musical thing for Coco, where they took streamers down from the ceiling. Like, I've seen them do that before D23. They want to give the people a show. I'm not Hayden. Ariana and DeBose came out, like, last night for the animation panel and did a whole song because she's in this new movie, animated movie, Wish. Not that I would have wanted to see.

Right? Yeah. It was just a little long. That's what I would say about this, Dee Rush. It's musical. Everybody would think that Coke Baby Chuck would be at D-23 and be in a bad mood. It was the opposite. I was having a ball.

I was loving all the trailers. Literally. Tell your face, Charles. Literally, Van. Every single time I look at Van, he would do the wrap-up signal. Like, every single time. Wait, wait, wait. Every single time.

So let me tell you something. So I'm doing that because I'm like... You want to get on to the next thing? What's next? Yeah, like, what's next? What's next? They're up there, and I can't tell you how many times the actors are up there. These are people who are the best performers in the world.

They look totally uncomfortable on stage for the most part. And they're out there. And they get into these long protracted bits that aren't going anywhere. You know, the only person you crushed it. was Amy Sedaris on the Mandalorian. That was it. That was it. But overall, the Mandalorian itself, besides the Iron Forge, like, oh, yeah, we even talked

about that. No, no, no. We'll get to the league's film later. But that was a good one. But I'm like, all right, you showed the fucking trailer. We've talked about it. Of course, it's the best time you ever have filming anything. You guys came together like a family.

It's something that we've never seen before, every single show. And. Unprecedented. It's unprecedented. It's never been done. This is so important. It's so important. I'm so happy to play the character after 10 years of them not putting me in anything.

And so, so, so. And it's dope. Okay, cool. Move on to the- Quick. Can I say really quick? Hot take. I actually felt a little bad because like every older actor would say the same thing,

which was essentially like, yeah, I got to admit my phone stopped ringing for a couple of years. And I'm like, dude. This is the first time we've seen Tim Blake Nelson since 2008. Yeah. 14 years. What I love about that, so we're right in the heat of She-Hulk where we're getting a lot of abomination. And what I love about Marvel is when they're like,

oh, we're not pretending the Incredible Hulk didn't happen. It happened. And Tim Blake Nelson, who was teased at the end of the Incredible Hulk, and we all thought we'd never see him again is coming back for Captain America, New World Order. We got some information about that. Do you want to talk about that real quick? I have a hot take, I think.

Or a prediction for Captain American New World Order. They're bringing back the leader. This is who Tim Blake Nelson plays, yeah. Do we think that they're going to try to tie the Super Soldier program to Project X? Because that's what they're trying to do in the original Incredible Hulk, right? They're trying to recreate. Weapons plus. Weapon plus, yeah.

Yeah, so the way things are now, is Captain America is weapon one. Yes. Right. Wolverine is weapon 10. So Weapons Plus is the program. Weapon X is the, I guess the little sub deal. Wolverine is actually he's Weapon X.

Those things are all tied together now, canonically in the books. Which, by the way, when I was reading Wolverine and stuff when I was a kid, he didn't have really anything to do with Captain America. Now we know that they do. We also know that the Super Soldier Serum has been an integral player in a couple of different things,

but all part of Weapons Plus. That's how Abomination got his powers in the original incredible. Precisely, right? And so that even came out before Captain America. Yeah. So the legacy of it, they wrapped

back around to it. So I think they're going to tie them together in some way, but it also all depends on what they do at Wolverine and the timeline and stuff. So we definitely now know that that's going to, the Wolverine is going to be linked to Captain America in the MCU in some sort of way. And Tim Blake Nelson's involvement here might be add another layer to that, you know what I mean?

You know what's kind of wild is that Shira Haas has been cast as a character called Sabra. He announced on stage. She wasn't there, but he announced it. Hummus. Delicious Hummus. Yeah. I believe she's a mutant. Like, does that feel like a big deal?

Like, can I mean, look, to me, I mean, I mean, no, nope. I mean, Namor's a mutant. Fair enough. You know what I mean? So, like, to me, I think that they're doing a pretty good job. I mean, shit, Kamala Khan's a mutant. So they're doing a good job of working these characters in. And I guess at some point they're going to explain to us, I guess, you know, how the mutants came to be, where the mutants came from.

They had an opportunity to kind of do that in the Eternals if you were taking it all the way back. But the Eternals are robots. So that's fucking different. So, but I'm just serious. It's like, so, so, so yeah. I mean, like, the mutants are existing in Marvel, and we're seeing them. We're just not talking about them.

I mean, but even if you think about they're bringing Isaiah Bradley back. Carl Lumley, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that a way where they want to tie him that he was in the weapons plus program as well? Of course. Well, we know that. Because from a fucking unaware soldier.

Yeah, and they said that this movie is going to be a paranoid spy thriller, so they're giving us winter soldier vibes for this movie, essentially, right? I mean, how much of a spy Thriller can it be? The nigga got wings. Yeah.

I mean, I mean, you know what I'm saying? It's like, it's kind of hard. Oh, my God. Also, they said something really, this was before Thunderbolts, but they said something very, very interesting where I'm like, oh, y'all are really setting up Sam Wilson

to be the leader of the Avengers because they're like, and Sam Wilson looks around in a world where there's no Avengers. Yeah, world without Avengers. We saw in She-Hoke that Hulk is off planet. So who's left? Okay, let's kind of up.

Thor isn't. Thor's definitely not fucking with the Avengers right now. He got a whole different edict in life. I mean, he'll come back if something really jumps off. Secret Awards, but he's not, he's not on the table. Yeah, he's not on the team. Black Widow's dead, obviously. Like Woodow's dead.

Tony dead. Hawkeye is semi-retired? semi-retired. Capp, no, I don't think I will. Cap's doing whatever I will. I don't think I will. Just whatever happens, fucking happens. Yeah.

So who else? Wanda, obviously not an Avenger right now. Vision dead. Vision dead. Strange is an Avenger. Is he? Yeah. Why would he be one?

Wait, wait, what? Strange. Oh, he said isn't an adventure. Strange. Yeah, is not an Avenger. No, is. Yeah. Dr. Strange?

He's a Sorcer Supreme. Infinity War? Come on. He's an Avenger. Strange is not an Avenger? He, like, worked with the Avengers. He's Avengers. But do you feel like he would take Orrin's an Avenger?

orders from Cap? I don't think. No, he's not taking orders from Anthony Mackey. I know that. Damn. Boy, what you just said was so racist. Like, bro, bro, she said Cap. She said Cap.

Joe had some down moments during D23. Sometimes she should have clapped and she didn't. And we're going to talk. Whoa. If there was anything, I'll be real. Because Van is faking the funk. Any time it was a strong woman on screen. He's like, re-re, I don't care.

Re-re. Wrap it up. Our heart, whack, wrap it up. Echo, wrap it up. Okay. Wrap it up. Oh, so we're going to go ahead and talk about it. Let's just talk about it then.

They literally said out of their mouths that this is the first cast, Echo, that comes from indigenous people. The entire fucking place clapped. And Joe said, we took this land fair and square. Like, like Joe. Stop, no, timeout, no, no, no. I was taking notes on my phone. I looked over at Joe, I'm like,

I was taking notes on my phone. No, Joe, you're not going to clap. Ben, like, legitimately. And it's like, yo, Van, like, no, he's like, Joe, clap. And I'm just like, go ahead. I'm fucking around. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Yeah, man, you know, Cap, I guess Dr. Strange. I mean, oh, okay. So here's a deal. the way you look at this. I'll put it to you like this. If the Avengers are everyone that fought Thanos in the last battle of

end game, then they're a player of Avengers. But if the Avengers are motherfuckers that hung out at the mansion, that's what I'm saying. There's not a lot of left. There's not a lot of left. Because then by that point, Ant Man's kind of an Avenger. But if he's in the quantum realm. Now, he has said before

he's an Avenger. So let's talk about Quantum Mania. Okay. Woo! Best trailer of the day. Let's do. Come on. Jesus Christ. So what we see, and this one wasn't released online, and my understanding is different from the one that they showed at Comic-Con,

is we see Scott and the whole fam, including the new Cassie, gets sucked into the quantum realm. Because she builds, in the five-year span that he wasn't there, she hung out with Hank, read his old diaries, creates a time machine type of device that connects them to the quantum realm. Yeah. Their original wasp is like shut that shit off.

Janet's like, fuck you, no, yeah. It goes haywire and they get sucked into the quantum realm. So Janet's like, there's something I didn't tell you. And then Bill Murray pops up and he's like, well, well, Janet Van died. You know what I mean? So what the fuck you expect? If Hank makes a big deal about that? She was down there for like, what, 30 years or some dumb shit?

Yeah. It's going to happen. If there's somebody else down there. A couple of interesting things about this about the trailer before we move on. Number one, I thought in the original quantum media footage that I saw that when Cassie said that we were trying to do something to help people, I thought she was referring to the Young Avengers. I thought that she was taken on the moniker of stasher and she was a part of the Young Avengers. This expanded trailer that we got to this different look

seems to cut against that because in this look that we got, it seems that the people that she's talking about, the we that she's talking about, is actually Hank Pem herself and Janet Van Dyne. Yeah. It seemed like that was almost like a surrogate family for her. Because her dad is all.

being a famous doucheback type of dude. No, because he was gone. Oh, yeah. Well, they got snapped too. No, he... Janet and Hank got, they were all... They got snapped too.

Everybody got snapped except for Scott. They got Scott and then Scott was in the quantum... Remember, they got snapped at the end of Ant Man and... And then he comes out... Because of the rat, he comes out of the man. Okay, wait, all right. The trailer's confusing me because...

So then how did she get Hank's diaries? Because it seemed like she had been working on this machine... She didn't get snapped. Remember, when he was... comes back for her, Cassie didn't get snapped. No, I know Cassie didn't get snapped. So, like, how was she building the...

Like, I'm just confused. When was she, like, learning about this? I feel like she... I feel like what we can deduce is that she found the diaries while everyone was gone. Okay. And read the diaries. And then when they got back, Hank helped her,

yes, and what she read in the diaries. You know what I mean? That makes sense. You know something? You're looking around, Steve. All right. Also, we got Modoc very, very quickly. Modoc, I saw Modoc. I'm going to be honest, you guys might be a little upset.

It's not classic Modoc. It's not like, it's not like a big, huge face. It is like a golden almost armor face. He almost looks like a robot more in this one. Although. You know the rumor that Corey Stahl. Oh, he is Modoc. He's Modoc, right?

Yeah. He is, what if that's like Modoc? So there's like Hornet, Hornet Modoc sort of thing. Yeah, like what if that's Modoc and. battle mode or something. What if they didn't want to show you the Modoc, the Maudat face? Overall, the look in the quantum realm

looked very like, honey, I shrunk the kids to me. Like, everything looked kind of like big and weird around them as they're sort of like trying to make their way through. Very rich. Yeah. And then we get a lot of Kang, right? Can I just say this before I forget, I have to say this. Scott getting his ass beat, bro. Like, he's just not ready. Like, the king

that we saw from Jonathan Majors, I'm like, dog. What the fuck Scott Lane going to do? Like, for real? I'm going to read one line. Then I'm going to have Charles read the next line. He says, Kang says, time isn't what you think. You want to get out of here. I'm the only shot you have.

And then what did you say, Charles? Have I killed you before? They all blur together. Ooh! I was scared. I was scared for Scott. He don't know what to fucking do with this man. And then Kang says, I'm just a man who has a lot of time.

Just like you, someone stole something from me. And you're the only one who can steal it back. So when I heard that line, we, in the beginning of the trailer, like, we already know from Miss Marvel that Scott has been on, you know, a world tour. He has a podcast. He has all these things. An audiobook. Audio book. He's no longer a loser.

Like, people notice him when he's out. And it seems he's left that life behind, the burglary, burglary, however you say that word, robbery life behind. It seems like, is this going to be another time heist movie? Are you saying one last job? Yeah, like one last job. Like, it seemed like King was saying, like, one of the reasons Scott can do this is because he's a burglar. You're a burglar. I'm just, I'm super interested in actually what the this is.

Yeah. Because Kang seems so unbelievably confident. And like in that scene, Scott lips, mouths off to him and with like a flick, a motion of his finger, he presses him up against the wall. King feels, he feels so compliment, so kingly as a conqueror would feel. But there's something that, and this is a guy who can jump in and out of time at any point that he wants to, right? Somebody who has spent countless millennia manipulating different events in history, different people in history to commit different acts in history. But there's something he can't do that Scott Lane can do. And I think the tipping point of the movie is going to be in what that is.

and another thing that Faggy kept doing when he was talking about this is letting you know, you got to see this one. Tell you something. We're seeing them all, Kev. No, all of them. We're not going to watch all the movies. You know what I'm saying?

No, but the subtext of it was like, no, this isn't the other Ant-Man movies. That's the thing. This is another thing. So, like, they kind of diss the other two movies a little bit, like, hey, the other two movies. Yeah, Paul Red said something like that, too. Other two movies were some plus bullshit,

but this one... What's like he said is he was like, this one's going to lead directly into Kang Dynasty. That's what he was saying. So that is why I'm saying, whatever this thing is that he has to do... The McGuffin. Right.

But also, we didn't get to see Blueface King in this. Jonathan Majors, we got to see him in the traditional classic King purple green suit, but did not have the blue face. I wonder if they're going to give it to him in the final. Speaking of Ken, Speaking of Jonathan Majors,

should we talk about the footage that we saw that our dear beloved colleagues who weren't here are probably most anxious to see, which is Loki Season 2, baby? I ain't going to lie, that bitch was looking scrumptious. Loki Season 2. That's the one of you had the biggest reaction to.

Yeah, that shit looking fire. Charles lost his shit for Loki season 2. I'm sorry, it wasn't even like we got to see any, like, there weren't like any big cameos or whatever. It was just like I was worried because it's not same director coming back? Yeah. So I was like, can they capture that?

And I'm not going to lie, like, Tom Hiddleston and Owen Wilson look confident as stuff. They're like, we got another one on our hands. Man, Tom Hiddleston, too good looking, bro. He got the biggest, he was one of the biggest cheers besides Harrison Ford. I think it came out there looking like a big fly-ass great house. Yeah, because he's got... You know what I'm saying?

Like, he came like, he came out. He's got the Loki hair right now. The Loki hair, like, long and lean and tall. Like, he came out there. I'm like, man, bro. Like, I'm sick of this shit. Also, my other question, too, and, like, this speaks to how big King seems to be looming over everything. Is there's a scene where, like, Loki's trying to explain to the TVA what's happening.

Yeah. And he, like, takes, what's the device for? Is there baton? I don't know. They're like time baton. Yeah. And he hits the wall. Time baton.

You mean the. The little... The shock baton thing that they had. How can we... Like, I don't... What was it called? Loki was so long ago. I don't even know what it's called.

But when you find out, when you find out, just give me hints. Because I remember this. Okay. You said time baton. Yeah. Okay, you're half right.

And that half that's right is time. The other... No, don't show it time stick? Yeah, it's a time stick. All right, that's dumb as me. That's what's called a time stick? Yeah. It was called a time stick?

I think time baton is. better. No, wait a minute now. We're talking about the things that they hit you with. Yeah, and it disintegrates you or send you back to your... I'm on Marvel Cinematic UniverseFandom.com. It says timestick. There's no way.

But anyway... Anyway. Loki takes the time stick. He hits the wall in the TVA. And the wall starts disintegrating, revealing that just like Jonathan Majors' head huge and gold. If you'll remember that like courtroom set that they had, they have those giant heads behind the bench.

it's like that's where they are. They're behind the bench in the courtroom and he's exposing those giant heads and the middle one looks more like Jonathan Majors than it did in Loki's season one. Like this is what you can tell. I'm like, oh, now they can reveal that. Yeah, that is John Majors.

Yeah, yeah. Loki, like, I will just say like stylistically if you love Loki season one, this one looks like it's going to be everything. It was really fun to be back in the TVA that set design is so cool. It started kind of like almost like a horror movie. Like the lights are flickering.

Yeah. And Loki's sort of like blipping in and out of time. Okay. I hate that. That's so scared to me. It was scary. They did that a little bit in another great trailer that we're going to talk about a little bit later with the little little, little, when people, I hate it. You remember like the ring when the girl is getting her face, her body's all broken and she's coming.

It was a little ring. Or was it the grudge? Is it the ring or the grudge? No, it's the ring. The ring. Are the ring of the grudge the same thing? Are they in the same universe? No.

They just have scary girls in them. I think the ring in the grudge. And I know you don't like girls, so. Wow. She's not wrong. Okay, there. General Custer? Okay.

Loki says he's a man pulled through time. It's something that he says. And then we got Kiwi Kuan who was in everything everywhere all at once. and made a fun joke about, is this the Indiana Jones panel and stuff like that? But it looks like he's like the Wong of the TVA. He's like manning the desk with all the like artifacts sort of things. And the guy who had that job in Loki Season 1,

who played Pillboy on The Good Place. I can't remember the actor's name. Yeah, the guy who was making fun of the Bibles. Yeah, he's in the trailer, but he looks like he's been like kidnapped somewhere. He looks like he was not having a good time. So there's a new person behind the desk. I think that's interesting.

I think it's interesting, too. Didn't get very much Google and Bothera Raw, which would have been great. A little bit. A little bit. So don't know where Rince Layers is right now. I think that chaos being injected into the TVA is going to be really interesting, considering the fact that the TVA was given to us as the only constant in the entire multiverse in the first show. So now having them in a situation where they're all thrown out of a little bit of a little bit of,

out of time, whatever you want to call it. It's pretty interesting. Tom described it as the ever-expanding, ever-dangerous multiverse is something that he said. Yeah, so I thought that was really interesting. Going back to Ravona, like, is that the thing that was stolen from Kang? Isn't that comic? Rifona? I mean, like, I wouldn't want to refer to her as a thing, but, you know.

Yeah, well, sisters are doing it by themselves. I mean, someone stole something from me. But why would Isn't that a major motivator for King in the comics? Maybe it's Miss Minutes. Yeah. Miss Minutes. Yeah.

It could be. Actually, no. I mean, yeah, that their relationship is, but I like that. That is actually really good. Really be honest because I have no fucking clue what it could be. And I know that there's somebody right there that's going to be like in the third scene, a blah, blah, blah, blah. But I don't know what he could be talking about.

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the Werewolf by Night trailer. We got Michael Jekino came out. We got the trailer for this that Charles didn't love, but Van and I really did, and that's okay. It was amazing. Halloween special.

It looks really cool. It looks like old school, hammer horror, black and white, like weird freeze frame. you know, close-ups on people screaming and stuff like that. I loved this. This is coming out October 7th. So right after my birthday, thanks.

Happy birthday to me, Gail Garcia-Bernal. Like, fan, what did you love about it? I love the fact that, first of all, the first thing is, I loved the overall tone of it, not a, not a scary movie, not a thriller, but a chiller. You guys remember a good chiller? Yeah. What was that show that used to come on? and what's his face used to host it and it would be on TBS.

Are you talking about Joe Bob Briggs? Joe Bob Briggs would host his show. What was the name of that show? And they would do this. Like driving movies or something like that. Yeah. Joe Bob would host the show. This is an old man van moment.

It's fine, fucking run it. Just because I know I have a critical, I have, look, look, here is right here. The last drive-in with Joe Bob Briggs, yeah, just because I have a sort of, It was USA Up All Night And driving with Joe Bobbrix Okay, so USA Up All Night

I will watch for a different reason Because it would be like hard bodies too The bikini chicks in South Padreale But like you would watch those movies And they were not thrillers but chillers with these Amazing monsters, crazy sort of arcs But also the camera was a character

In the way it was used in horror Because it wasn't so much about showing you the most gnar shit that you could see It was about watching everybody's reactions to it. And there was something very familiar about this. It looked scary. Yeah. It looks eerie.

And it looks off-putting. And as much as Marvel has tried, they haven't really done too many things that just freak you out. That's not their jam. They don't do things that freak you out. But I mean, what is the director's name again? Michael Jekino. Michael said on state something interesting

where he was trying to create something. that was scary, but not in a way that a family couldn't enjoy. That's what I mean. Like, these things that I'm talking about. Because they're kind of hokey. They're hokey. Like, the hoakiness takes the scare out of it. But it's still a little freaky.

Yeah. You know what I mean? It's still a little, like, a little, like a little freaky. It freaks you out. You know, when you're watching that shit, you want to cut a light on, you know, because you never know if some fuck is going to come out the closet. So I think they, from what I saw, they were able to nail that, Nailed that.

And it looks as much as this was said during the whole panel. Unlike anything you've ever seen before. This actually looks unlike anything we've ever seen before in Marvel. It actually looks that way. Another thing that's interesting right before that trailer, I don't know if this was attached to the trailer that was released online, but there was this little like Marvel intro, special presentation, Marvel intro, a new thing that Jekino composed the score for, usually he's a composer. And Kevin said, we had him put that together.

I know we're getting The Guardians, the Galaxy Christmas special. What that tells me is that they're going to do a lot more maybe of these special presentations if they bother to put together like a little intro for it that we might, and that might be fun because where we'll find night, it doesn't have to connect to anything.

It doesn't have to be big. You can just be like a fun little treat. I don't know how long it's going to be, 90 minutes, something like that, you know, an hour. Who knows? A little special. Yeah, a little special. Just like a little treat.

And if it's not for you, it's not required reading and you can just sort of like roll out to the next thing. It will connect that. Okay. I don't know here. No, I'm saying it's like

my opinion is invalid because I don't fuck with horror so it's like once I see spooky shit on the screen I'm like I'm out. I'm out. You don't like something that first it was fun then it was scary

and then it could be spooky but in a fun way. I literally, if I watch a horror movie I got my girl got to watch it first and then sit down with me. and tell me like it's about to get scary. None of y'all got that? At first it was scary.

At first it was fun. Then it was scary. Then it was spooky, but in a fun way. That's my girl Madison, the queen of Marvel. That's my girl Madison, the queen of Marvel. Yeah, from Chialk, that's definitely why I didn't know. I love to try some yak-noke-noke- Steve has to hit the volume knob every time you talk about Madison.

Madison's great. All right, we're going to talk about secret invasion. I want to talk about something. So this trailer, which was released online, the number one thing, you know, Don Cheatel came out to talk about this. It's Roady. It opens with Roady and Fury sitting down at like, you know, in a restaurant, right, to have a conversation. Fury looks like raggedy, you know? Worst fake beard I've ever seen on screen.

Grizzled, no, it's not the worst you've ever seen. It's pretty bad. He's got this like wild grizzled hair. You know, he's like the eye patch is off. the one eye is just out. What do you remind me of, and I'm going to hate you, Van, for this, do you remember the Mel Gibson movie conspiracy theory? Yep.

100% conspiracy theory, vice. Directed by Richard Donner, who is Kevin Feigey's, like, idol, his original boss. And Feigey loves to, like, take these Marvel properties and put them through the lens of like an old school movie, and by old school, I mean 90s movie that he loved. So I feel like we're getting Nick Fury conspiracy theory show. Looked good. I like that because there's so much uncertainty in it. And there was so much uncertainty in that scene.

For some reason, they don't even know when they're talking to one another who outranks who. Fury said something. Rody said something to Fury. And then Fury says, don't make me remind you who you're talking to or something like that. And then Rody goes, you're not going to bother to pull rank on. Like, things are so destabilized that they don't even know what the situation is. I mean, even in the Marvel's trailer that we saw, we see, where do we see Nick Fury? He's in space in the Sabre, like, headquarters.

And he does not have the beard in the Marvel's trailer. So I'm just wondering where, not only in the timeline is this, but like, what's Rody's rank right now? So this is interesting because when I saw the, you know what it made me think of the scene? Lean on me. When Robert Guillaume and fucking Morgan Freeman are arguing with each other. And the reason why made me think of that is because I'm not so sure how many scenes we've had in Marvel outside of Black Panther where it's just two black men talking to one another. You know what I mean?

In one scene. And like, Black Panther obviously, you know, that was the whole fucking movie, two black men talking to each other. but just like seeing them go back and forth and their authority in the world was interesting because of Rody. They talked a little bit about armor wars later on. But remember, Rody shows up in an authority capacity, not just in that trailer.

Also, he showed up that way in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Yeah. So the question is, yeah, Rody's an adventure. Rody was introduced as an Avenger and age of Ultron. So he's definitely, he hangs out at the house. So the question is,

what capacity does Rowie exist in right now? You know what I mean? Because he says, I'm your only friend. Because he says, he tells fear,

he's like, I'm your only friend. Well, and the way he says that is like, you seem so crazy and like out of pocket with everything you're doing, I'm the only one who is rooting for you.

Like, you're making, such a nuisance of yourself that I'm the only one who can root for you and help you right now. I'm a little unclear as to why that would be with Nick Fury.

Well, we're going to find out. Spring 2023. Yeah, like, what is Nick? The last time we saw Nick Fury, he still had a little juice, right? He's living up there with the goddamn. And what's wild is like, so what we saw in the Marvels, sorry to cut you off, but what we saw in the Marvels looked like the last

time we saw Nick Fury. of space looking fine. But the timeline of when we're getting this is we're getting Secret Invasion in spring and then the Marvells in summer. So, like, this seems like it comes after Wild Beard Fury. Interesting. Or because the Marvels was pushed,

maybe it's supposed to take place before. But then it just gets confusing. When is Armor Wars? Because they made it seem like Secret is even... Armor Wars is later. Later. Way later. But they made it seem like Secret Invasion Armor Wars were kind of like...

He said it would lead directly in. to armor wars. Yeah, so they seem kind of of a pair. But secret invasion could be before all of this because we don't really know too much, not all of it.

It has to be obviously after. Secret invasion is set during the blip when everyone's gone. I think it might be, I'm not sure. So I think secret invasion this all might be the blip, hence what?

It can't be set during the blip because Big Fury blitz. Yeah, he was snapped. I'm really trying to figure this out. Okay, let's call Eric Voss to make a timeline a video for us. Shout out Eric.

Just one moment from the Secret Invasion trailer that want to shout out. Again, people will have seen this. But Kingsley Benedere an actor that I really

love who's in Secret Invasion. There's one scene where it's like 30 of him. Yeah. Like surrounding. I'm excited. I thought that was

Reggie Jean Page for a second. Is Amelia Clark? I thought it was. Do you know that Disney made that mistake on a press release? You're lying.

Yeah. I'm serious. Oh, for real? That happened at Comic-Con. I thought that was Reagan Channel Page. No, that's Kingsley, Benadier, maybe. What else was here? One night Miami or whatever.

Yeah, they just churning out these light skin motherfuckers. Damn. Yeah, he played Malcolm X. Yeah. My bad, Charles. All right, all right. What else we got? We're almost done with Marvel here.

We mentioned the Marvels. Let's talk about the Marbles for a second. I thought it looked really fun. I guess that trailer didn't go up online. So all I will say about that is, like, what we saw at the end of Miss Marvel was that Kamala, like, switched places with Carol.

Carol shows up in Kamala Khan's childhood bedroom, and she's like, what the heck is going on? What we find out in the trailer is basically these three women, Tiana Paris's character, Carol Danvers, Kamala Khan, every time they use their powers, maybe, they switch places with each other.

So what happened in the beginning of the trailer is that what do we want to call her? Photon. Photon is up in saber, in space with the Sabre Station. Nick Fury's looking at her. She touches some type of force field. And then she gets... Kamala replaces her.

Kamala replaces her. And then Kamala like notices Nick Fury because she's a fan of the Avengers. And she says, hi. And throughout the trailer, we learned that their energy-based powers are somehow connected. She said tangled. Tangled. So any single time they use. use one of them, it blips the other one.

They switch places. Hence why, like, Carol was in Kamala's room, and it seems like Kamala blips wherever she blips. And the whole movie seems like this kind of comedy back and forth of, like, don't use your powers if you use your powers, because Kamala ends up on a spaceship and she has to be saved by, what's the cat's name again? Oh, Goose. Goose. She has to be saved by goose. Yeah. Flirken.

What? Yeah, he's a flurkin. It's a flurking. I don't watch Captain Marble. So basically, the beginning of the trailer, Kamala goes where Monica was. Monica goes where Carol was. She's like fighting aliens. And then Carol goes where Kamala was.

They all switch places. And so then they're all trying to work together to figure out how they can stop doing that. Because it seems like Carol. How can they can untangle their powers? Like Carol ends up in what looks like pocket. Afghanistan at one point? Yes. So it seems like this is going to be a through line throughout the movie.

Right. That they haven't figured out how to quite control it and they're going to try to control it. And then Kamala gets to do her like fun fan girl thing where she's like, Carol Demand – you know, Carol Davis is her hero. She's like, are we a team? Are we a team? Carol's like, no. She's like, it seems like we're a team, you know?

I actually like Carol in that mode. Yeah. Where like she is like the surly, like, leader who's just like, like, calm down, act like you've been somewhere before Kamala. Like, stop. Like, it was very, that was funny. We got nothing from Daredevil Born again, just like we got to see Charlie Cox

and Vince T'Anfrio on stage. 18 episodes, boy. And then we got a little clip from She-Hulk. Yeah. Gentlemen, take it away. All right. Do you want to paint the picture? I'm paying it.

Actually, no, no, Joe can you? Because I don't trust him to deliver it. Can you tell the audience what happened? Okay, tell all this what happened, Joe. All right, we see Jen Walters, She-Hulk, and she's with Charlie Cox as Daredevil in his new costume, the light helmet, right? The yellow. And they're standing outside of a warehouse and they see a bunch of goons and they have some banter about like what's a goon versus a henchman. And he says he can hear all their heartbeats.

And she's like, that's a little much, don't you think? And he's like, I can hear your heartbeat right now. She's getting horny for Daredevil. It's pretty fast. And she, yeah, she's down. She's down for Daredevil, right? And then they're arguing about which one of them is going to go in there. She's like, I just want to Hulk in.

He's like, no, we need to stealth in. Like, let me do my ninja. I'll take the one by one is what he says, right? Real hallway fight energy. And then she says, I'm the one with superpowers. And Van pops up out of his chair. And then he says, I'm going to go echolocate and Charles pops out of his chair. So like, what happened?

So here's the thing. We've had a longstanding argument, The Midnight Boys, where Van says that Daredevil doesn't have any superpowers. And I say, bullshit, he can echolocate. And when we tried to litigate this at lunch, Van was like, he doesn't have powers. Just because someone can backflip doesn't mean it's a superpower. That's not what I said. See, this is what I'm talking about. So this is what...

Go echo locate. Can you echo locate, Ben? So here's a deal. Go outside and echo locate. So here's it. So can I... So ask Charles Philibusers. This is the deal.

This is why when you're talking to a master debater, you have to have your shit together. Charles says, I'm like, echolocating, not a superpower, an ability, not a superpower. Charles says, man, echolocate right now. I said, okay, Charles, hit a backflip right now. I can't hit a backflip. That doesn't mean that somebody who can hit a backflip is a superpower.

Can you name a human right now who can echo locate? No. Exactly. What does stardustle? What does stairdoll? Wait, hold on. Hold on. What this is Darendall say in the trailer?

Can I ask you a question, though? Can I name something that can echo locate, though? Does it bad? Does bad have some. What? Can you question? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Does a bad have superpowers?

Does a dolphin have superpowers? The answer is, wait, wait, wait a second, wait a second, wait a second, it's an ability. Y'all are fucking, I'm making a point here. It's an ability. that those animals have. Can a human train is hard enough? Can they echo loki? No, see, you're missing the point, bro.

Like, you're, like, you're missing the point. Can a bat can echo locate? Okay, whatever. Human. Right. So we can. Something more than a human can do. Because, you know, I just thought, I just thought, it's actually not a great point

because I'll tell you why. I'll be honest with you. Because, you know, birds can fly. and if a person could fly Like it, Daredevil has superpowers. At lunch, man can see enhanced ability, right? Enhanced ability. Off of Echo location to Echo.

I just want to zoom back to Echo real quick and just say that I thought the trailer looked really cool. It did. It was good. It looks like we're getting a bunch of like history, like sort of seed in. There's some black and white footage intermixed with whatever the modern storyline that Echo is involved with. The legend Graham Green is going to be in this, which makes you really happy. Christ, love Grim. Zahn McClarnan is in the cast.

He played her father. He was so good, and I was so mad that he died so quickly in Hawkeye. And so I think there's going to be just a ton of flashback opportunity to get all that stuff going on. I'll say something about Echo real quick. Yeah, please. So here's the thing. Here's the uphill battle that Echo fights as a show.

It's not, and I want to be honest about this with our audience, because a show like Echo, for all of you one stars out there, which is what I'm calling you in sales, that one star things, that, so for all the one stars out there. There's two modes of thinking. The first mode of thinking is that if you don't like Echo,

or if you don't like shows like Echo, then you in some way have a problem with either indigenous people or you have a problem with women leads. Okay. Which you might have a problem with both, and people have more than shown that they do. or centering an ASL character. Or centering an ASL character, right?

The issue with Echo is it's not a beloved character. It's not a character that anybody really cares about. I'll just be honest with you. Right? And that doesn't just go for Echo. That goes for like being humans. Nobody really gives a fuck, right? The Eternals.

Like nobody really gives a shit, right? Like the Eternals have had at least, the humans and the internals have at least been involved in some things that have major stakes in the universe. But like, if you were telling me right now that you're going to make a whole show around Black Bolt, I'll be like, yo, that seems interesting. But the show would have to be so good for me to really, really be invested into it because I've never given a shit about Blackbolt and not very many people have.

So the thing with Echo is Echo has to be fucking fantastic to make people, Echo has to be fantastic for people to justify its existence. And it's a burden that the show has unfairly. And it's not just because of all of the societal things I just pointed out. It's also because there's just not a strong connection to that character and the lore for most people. So when I look at the show unfairly, unfairly because I should look at everything the same, you know, but what I don't, you know, but I want the show to win.

And I want it to be super fantastic. It shouldn't have to be, but I want it to be super fantastic so that it has armor against the people who are going to be out there just be assholes about it. But even the people who aren't might not fuck with the show just because they don't have very much connection to the character. Let me tell you why they might though. Okay. And this is a bummer reason. But who got ferocious screaming applause, Vincent Dinoffrio? Yeah.

And they showed Kingpin in Australia. Yeah. Yeah. So Kingpin's in the show. Here's what I'll say about Echo and Hawkeye. I really loved, like, half of her. There was, like, something, I think there's something really compelling about that actress. I thought the action was really cool for her.

I thought a lot of the, like, Kingpin's stuff at the end was super sloppy. Like, Hawkeye was super sloppy at the end. Do you know what I mean? When I saw she was getting her own show, to be honest with you, I was surprised. Because I didn't see any, I'm going to be honest with you. I didn't see, I'm going to be real with you. They did a piss poor job of making. Echo seemed like she was a character

worth her worthy of her own show in Hawkeye. To me. Like, there were, anybody who I was thinking, I can't think of anyone really besides K. Bishop that I was like leaving that show that I was like, I want to see more. Think about the deleted scene that we got of a young echo after the show. And a bunch of people

were like, why wasn't this in the show? Why would you put that in the show? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe that's we're going to get more of. One last thing I'll say about the Echo trailer. I know why there were captions on it. There were captions on the trailer because this is a show featuring DHH, you know, like character. But I just, I just want to say there should be captions on all trailers.

I like, I like captions. I love captions. I love captions. And I was like, hell yes, I understand what everyone's saying. You know what I'm sorry to do? I'm sorry to listen to my music with captions. What? I like to be at home and when I'm listening to music on my app, put the lyrics up on the thing.

365 on a dashboard. I like to be able to listen. I like to be able to wrap a loan. That's how I know you old. Bro, fuck you. You gotta go on Jesus. Be like, what are these young... I don't know what they're saying, Charles.

Okay, so I like to know what they're saying. Because I don't want to say some shit that's going to put me in jail. I don't want to go out like them. Can we go to the next movie? Yep. This is the very last thing. We already talked about what got Van out of his seat and what got Charles out of his seat. But for me, it was finding out that Bucky is going to be in the third.

Thunderbolt. Wow. We got our Thunderbolt's lineup, right? It's Contessa, the ghost from Ant Man in the Wasp, Red Guardian, David Harbour's character from Black Widow, Yelena Belova from the aforementioned Black Widow, Buckie Barnes, U.S. agent, boo, and Taskmaster from Black Widow. This is the lineup. It's surprised people.

People were surprised that Blonsky Abominations are on the lineup. People are surprised that Zemo isn't there. I lost my shit and got really excited, though, because, like, I'm really excited about David Harbor. being here. I'm excited that we have another project

for Bucky on the horizon because I love him so much. Florence Pugh, Yelena, front and center of the graphic that they put up there. Her team. And then we got,

you know, some characters that care a little less about the girl over there. I'm not going to lie. Thunder Bulls looking like the next. Like that lineup is just... Okay.

So let's go through the Thunder Bulls lineup like you just said. Yeah. With all of those characters. And then there's Ghost. It's the Contessa. Ghost, Red Guardian, Yelena, Bucky, U.S. Agent, and Taskmaster. So people that we didn't get in the Thunderbolts that we thought we might get,

starts with Zima, who we almost were sure was going to be one of those Thunderbolts. Abolnsations, who some people were saying was going to be in the Thunderbolts. Yes. Am I missing anybody else that we thought maybe might be a Thunderbolt? I think it's like anyone major. I heard rumors that we were getting Titania, but I'm like, there's no way we're getting. Yeah, probably not Titanic. Come on.

By the way, and we don't know if this is the. final Thunderbolts roster, who will be in the Thunderbolts? Abomination could still be in it. They might want, like, they might, because he's actively in a storyline

on She-Hulk right now, it might be that they want to wait to see how that all plays out before they announce that he's in the movie, you know? It didn't even seem like they had a script or anything yet. No, just the lineup. Just the lineup. The reality is,

if we look at a couple of the characters, right? Let's look at the properties that the characters represent. Bucky's been in a bunch of different movies. He hasn't count. You have Black Widow, with three different characters from that one movie. Then you have Ant Man and the Wasp,

which, it ghosts, which is a very, very, very, very forgettable movie. Okay? I don't think it was the actresses' fault who played ghost. Just did not have a lot to do with the movie. Yeah, yeah. Very forgettable movie. And then you have...

U.S. agent from the Falcon and We're a Soldier. So... Didn't he say on stage that he's like the Lavis Avengers? He said he's the most boring Avenger. He said I'm the most boring Avenger, and then I went, oh, and then I remembered how much I hate John Walker, and I was like, no. And then I thought to myself, when he said that, I thought to myself, dog, you're not even an Avenger.

Like, you ain't into Avengers? Like, you was Captain America for a hot second. But it was really no event. You're like, you ain't never been with the team, dog. I was looking at the director that they got for, because I love Wyatt Russell and other things. I thought he was really good. under the banner of heaven. And then a lot of people told me to watch this show Lodge 49 that he's in.

Then I did. And it's really, really good. And I was looking at the director for Thunderbolts, Jake Schreier, and he directed a ton of Lodge 49. So it might be that they, like, got someone who they know can bring out, like, more of the Wyatt Russell that we've enjoyed elsewhere. But, like, I feel we were not all recording together or working together when Falcon of Winter Soldier came out. But I feel like they really whiffed Don Walker if they were trying to give us someone that we were even remotely rooting for at the end because I wasn't. So a couple of things with that, number one,

John Walker is the quintessential character that's sort of easy to, the comic book lore has been such a long, he's had such a long run that it's easy to forget how he started. And it's harder to see that I think his, I think

his metamorphosis to somebody that we like is still, he's in the middle of it. It's like, it wasn't the one. Yeah. But the way they ended the show, you remember, it's like he helps he helps Buck and he helps Cap and then they're like, okay. Yeah.

That's marvelous to me. We watched him murder somebody in cold blood with his shield. Blood dripping off Cap's shield. I don't forget that easily. So, okay. So when I look at all of those properties, I look at three of the thunderbolts,

that movie has a lot of work to do. Because when you talk about Taskmaster, I was unbelievably let down with the portray of Taskmaster and back with a ghost doesn't really mean anything and like Red Guardian is cool but like it's like three of the characters

that we just kind of don't give a fuck about. Well but I think we give so many fucks about Yelina and Yelina is in like her relationship with the Red Guardian is so interesting and complicated so there's a lot of juice there and then, like, my opinion is, and you can feel free to disagree

that Bucky works anywhere. I'm surprised he's on that team. I think they had to put Bucky on that team. I think they looked at that and went, we need somebody who these people can, we need somebody else who they can really, really love. Right now, all we have is Yelena Belova. But I think, yeah, I agree.

I think he has a little muscle to the team, too. You know what I mean? Sebastian, do you want to put that, you know, they use K.Y. Jelly to get his arm in the metal arm for Bucky. That seems like some freak shit that you made up. No, it's true. You know I know this.

They got to smear him and K.Y. Jelly to put him in the metal arm. This is a Joe fantasy. No. This is a Mallory line. This is Joe and Mal. No. Want to support your gut health?

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We got an Indiana Jones trailer. Harrison Ford came out was really overwhelmed and was crying later Kevin Feigey came out and he was like crying Michael Jekino he was crying

like this really hit the nostalgic like Crystal Skull Who is essentially the vibe that was in the ballroom that he that morning also Harrison Ford said we promise this one is good yeah there were like so many shots

to Crystal Scull I was like Damn. Like, shit. Tough. Yeah, Charles, tell me how you felt when Harrison Ford came out.

I was about to start tearing up because he, the way he walked out, like, we saw him at Star Wars Celebration. Even then we're like, oh, like, Harrison, like, you just don't, because he's a movie star and you just, I see him as Han, I see him as Indiana,

I don't ever think that he can age, and obviously he has. And he said something to the effect. of like this, you know, this is the last. And then he like pauses and he tries to make up for it. And he's like, no, this is like my last fall. The last time I'm going to fall for you guys. And I'm like, is he hinting at something?

Is something happening with him? It was just very emotional. That's what it felt like. It felt like he was saying this is the last, I don't know, like movie I'm going to make or something like that. And then he sort of pivoted to the last Indiana Jones. I'm not making any more of these. This is the last time I fall down for you.

He played it off like a joke, but it didn't seem like it started that way, at least from where I was sitting. It seemed like this was like a swan song in a lot of ways. Like, if I only get to make one more movie, like, here it is. And we should say, so Indiana Jones 5 is directed by James Mangold, who did Logan, which was sort of Hugh Jackman's big farewell to the character of Wolverine. So if anyone's going to like direct Harrison Ford and a big farewell for Indiana Jones, like this is a good person to do that. How were you feeling about it? I think about my overall feelings about Harrison Ford. And he always defied age in a way, right?

I remember learning that he was 35 or 36, maybe even 37, when he played Han Solo, right? And thinking to myself, Jesus, you know, his career really, he worked for so long. You can go back and watch old westerns, like those TV westerns, right? And you'll see Harrison Ford in them. That's how like, like gun smoke and bonanza type shit. You'll see Harrison Ford like in those places in those, in those TV shows as like a young actor. He was doing all kinds of stuff. You know, he was in, I think he was in American graffiti, right?

And so he had worked before. But like his big break came playing Han Solo. I think he was 36 or 37. I can't really remember. And then. And he was like building cabinets. And he was going to give up acting. He was going to give up acting.

So then you have Indiana Jones come along, and he's in his 40s. That entire time he's making those movies. He's in his 40s. And, you know, me sitting here as a 42-year-old man, I don't look at that as being old at all. But this is the heyday of his career. Yeah. All the way up to where we get to Last Crusade. He's almost like a 50-year-old guy at this point.

But he looks so unbelievably virile. He is the picture of American virility. He is great looking. He is strong, but he's in every man. And this guy was with me every single step of my childhood. Not just in these movies, in other movies. Like, it got to a point to where when I saw his face, I was like, we're going to give this a shot.

We're going to watch this. Whatever it is. He never missed. He didn't miss with Witness. Didn't miss with Working Girl. Didn't miss with Regarding Henry. Didn't miss with clear and present danger. he just wasn't missing.

He was a ticket to entertainment in a way. And he always would like, when you got him talking, he'd always say things about his career. Like he never won an Oscar, right? Or he never, he was known for like two different roles. He would say things that let you know that he was grounded, that there was still more for him to accomplish. And I just don't know how I feel about

looking at Harrison Ford at this point, his life, where it seems like he's intimating to us that it's the info. It's tough. It was tough. Like, what does that mean, not just for him, for all of this content? What does that mean for me,

to be honest with you? It's just too grown up and too real. And I'm not in any way, you guys, listen, nobody on here is talking about anything or not killing off Harrison Ford or anything like that. I'm just saying that, like,

a career that's meant so much to me personally movies that mean so much to me personally I didn't even talk about Blade Runner you know what I mean like all of this stuff it's great it was like a real human moment seeing him up there

but you could feel it in the room that's probably we were all like everybody's just like really emotional like oh like and he was up there he couldn't keep it to he was it was the last thing before the Marvel thing happened and then Kevin Feiting comes out and he says holy Toledo which

was, you know, just sort of like, figgy ease for like, what the fuck, essentially, you know, it was a lot. It was really powerful. And we, like,

he's given us so much. And by the way, all, never hit us with no bullshit either. So like, real quick, you, six days,

seven nights, what? No, I don't mean, I don't mean, I don't mean, creatively. I mean,

you don't have to feel bad about loving Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford never put you in a position. I mean, he had some questionable. If you read Carrie Fisher. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, okay, really? Not like bad bad. It's just like she was like 19 and to your point he was not, so, you know. But I want to talk about this agelessness thing because in the trailer what we saw was there are multiple ages of Indiana Jones in this trailer. We saw young Indiana Jones, the one that we, well, 40s, as you said, but like the one that we are familiar with, we saw a slightly, to my eye, I could be wrong, but like, a slightly older one.

And then we saw, you know, the elderly man that he is now. And so it seems like Lucasfilm is going to take that Mark Hamill, Luke Skywalker, de-aging tech that they've been working on over there and use it on him here. And Charles, you had a theory about like why that might be plot-wise. I was almost thinking that they needed to come up with a story way to make sure that Harrison Ford at this age didn't have to do so many stuff. and it seemed like is this going to be a mystery where they're going throughout the stages of Indies's legacy and you're basically kind of reliving the hits.

It almost seems in a way like, obviously Top Gun Maverick did what it did and Tom Cruise can still hop on planes and do crazy shit. But it seemed like this might be their way of saying, like, hey, we're getting into the nostalgia. We want to remind you again of not only why you want, loved Indiana Jones, but why you love Harrison Ford. And by showing indie at multiple points in his life, you kind of get, like, you get young

Harrison, you get a little bit more grizzled and then you get the old man. But Joanna, you were saying, you heard rumors, I hope it's wrong. Please don't tell me this is a time travel. This is a vague rumor. I'm not standing behind this. Time travel. That we might get time travel. You learn with Cresor's skull.

Tell me honest with you, bro. I mean, come on, man. Sci-fi serials, you know? We've been through a lot with Indiana, right? The time travel would be the craziest thing. You know what I'm saying? He saw a man pull of beating hearts out of chest. I love Harrison Ford.

I love Indiana Jones. He fucking, I fucking love, like this fucking whip, man. Do you know, it's to sit down my fucking dad and watch our favorite Indiana Jones movie. What's your favorite Indiana Jones movie, Charles? I'm basic. I like Raiders. Okay. What's your favorite Indiana Jones movie, Joe?

His Last Crusade. Boom. Yeah. Me and Joe, same there. Last Crusade is the best one. The only people that say no are the Raiders snobs that were cool and film school. Last Crusade is amazing. It's fantastic.

And I am just, I can't wait to see this movie. But I also can't wait to celebrate Harrison before, man. Fuck it. Yeah. One last thing I'll say before moving on is just I remain skeptical of de-aging. So I'm hoping that it's used well and sort of sparing. I trust man gold. I trust man gold.

Speaking of nostalgia factor, Willow. All right, y'all. Y'all can do it. Y'all can do it. You're tapping out. Oh, shit. Let me tell you something that happened in 1988.

You got to play the clip. No, no, no. You got to play the clip. Let me say something that happened in 1988. In 1988, a movie was coming out. It was everywhere, baby. We're talking about the whole fucking monoculture. fucking dressing down.

We got the fucking Birken cups. We got the glasses. We got everything. It's Willow. You know what I'm saying? The shit is about the shit is about to drop. We go to the movies. We see it.

It's a fucking little wizard. He's out there doing this thing. Matt Mardigan, you are great. He's fucking throwing the sword around, catching that bitch. They're turning everybody. They're trying to figure out how to turn her back, turn her all different types of animals.

She's old. She's got to turn it to this fucking raven when she was young. everybody's outside and get turning the pigs the whole thing the fucking movie stole my heart me and my sister

I could call her right now we can quote it word for word we watched it 100 fucking times and then just like that it was over I get to be about 14 I say I mentioned Willow or somebody

people go oh yeah that movie flopped I'm like what the fuck you're talking about no it didn't fucking everybody loves Willow like nah not really No it's like I'm like what

this is our Baronstein Bears it is yeah it's like everybody's like everybody loves Willow I'm like nah it's not true Everyone loves a movie. You're full of shit.

He's like, no, dude, Willow was like a big stand on the career of Ron Howard. I'm like, you know what you do? You get the fuck out of my face. Years later, vindication, because Willow is back. And the fucking shit is off the chain. I was about to call him Warwick Dunn. Warwick Davis, 52 years old, the prime of his life, fantastic. A bunch of kids, you look at me crazy.

It's up. Tell me that trailer wasn't amazing. Just don't leave Willow out of it Don't leave Willow out of it because you want to be a hair Did that look interesting to you? Tell me that trailer's not amazing You're watching rings of power You're in your fantasy

You're in your fantasy life Willow do we watch Willow at the house? Steve's here we watched Willow at the house Steve and Jomey didn't care for it that's fine That's not true Oh you loved it okay Steve loved it Jomey was like I'm fucking hate that shit I'm not gonna lie man

Fuck out of here This is like this is me trying to convince you to watch Rings of Power Like nothing you just said right now makes me want to watch that. I don't give a whole, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. I think you're confused. I don't give a fuck if you watch Willow. Because they made that show literally only for me. Excuse me.

If I was the only person that ever watched Willow, I wouldn't give a fuck. I'm completely out of my mind jazzed up for this. Well, I'm not telling you whether or not you should watch it. I'm asking you. Yeah. Did that trailer look good? And he says, no. It's not for him.

That's okay. It didn't look bad. I'll take it. Yeah. It didn't look bad. W-I-L-O-W. Offs-Gar. I will say this.

Sitting next to van at these things is always entertaining. Because everybody's getting, like, excited for the normal shit. And you just hear, like, one black man when Will it comes on, girl. I don't wait. What was it? Like, I was it, like, echoed through the baller. Something they said that at least I wasn't aware of before the panel was that, so they were like, okay, so Joanne Wallie, Wally, who was in the original, she played Sorsha.

She's back playing Sorshia. But Val Kilmer, who's struggling health-wise, is not going to come back. His character, Mad Mardigan is a huge part of the film. So they're like, Mad Mardigan's not going to be in the new show. It's coming at the end of November, right, to Disney Plus. But we got a friend of Mad Martigan's, and they brought out Christian Slater. So Christian Slater is going to be – and that's like – that's Robin Hood, Prince of Thees, Will Scarlett, Christian Slater coming through for me. I am so excited for this.

I'm thrilled. In Robin Hood, I did think that Robin Hood, like, forgave him too quickly. Oh, no, he needs to slap him around a little bit more. Slap him around a little bit more. By the way, we should do a part on that movie. I fucking love that movie. I love Prince of Thieves. I like, looking back on it, that's a weird movie.

But I love that movie. Look, obviously, there is a renaissance of a lot of movies that we left from the past with the IP being what it is, right? With the IP Wars being what they are. And we've already seen, you know, and we know that Val Kimmer was a part of a lot of those movies. He was a mainstay in the 80s and the 90s. I just say the end of Top Gun, I couldn't know. It's nuts. Like, I literally was just like shut this fucking movie.

off. It's the saddest shit I've ever seen. It's nuts. It's nuts. So they have Matt Morgon's daughter in the show. Matt Morgon and Solar Show had a love affair. I know that their daughter is in the show. So I thought that was going to be sort of enough that she would kind of step into those shoes.

But Christian Slater is like a guy of those times as well. Exactly. And so, you know, it works. I can't wait for the show. I'm telling you right now, bold prediction, of all the shows that we're talking about, Outside the Mandalorian and Loki. Willow will be the best. You're smoking crack.

Okay. The fuck is wrong with you. I love this for us. Vann. Really? Van. Ban. Van.

Van. I think this show is going to be better than House of the Dragon. That's what I thought. I love House of the Dragon, but I think that Willow will be better at House of the Dragons. Shout out to. Shout out to. All right. I'm just going to roll through the rest of Lucasfilm stuff really quickly because all these other

trailers went online. Okay. Andor trailer, Mandalorian season 3. Tales of the Jedi. We got footage of that. That is online. It looks like they just let Dave Faloni make a little more clone wars is what Tales the Jedi looks like.

There's three Asoka episodes, three Count Duku episodes. We get Young Quigon. They mentioned Asoka. They said it's in production. Nothing more about Asoka. And then last but not least is skeletons. I mean, last but kind of least, skeleton crew. We had a photo of Jude Law.

we know for sure he's not playing Thron because he's not blue. He is dude law colored, which is like kind of mahogany right now. Are we sure that he's not playing Thron or is Thrawn in disguise or they're trying to throw us off the set? Oh my God. Secret Invasion Star Wars. Thorn, that's interesting. Oh, God. Are they throwing us off the scent?

Think about it because Obi-Wan Kenobi in that World Wars episode did the whole transformation thing so we know the tech is there. Why would Throne do that, though? I don't know. The vibe of Skeleton Key is supposed to be, it's like, it's John Watson, Chris McKenna, so it's like the Spider-Man guys and it's a bunch of kids and dude law. So it's supposed to be like a very like, you know, a romp with young kids in the space or whatever. She's so perfect for Throne. By the way, real quick.

And it's set during the New Republic is what they said. We're in wrap up with Avatar as we started. We just saw a lot of footage. They handed out 3D glasses. This is the new tech. the James Cameron has been working on for the past 300 years. I don't know. Did you call it a

what did you call it? A Sisyphean task? Yeah, Sisyphian, right? Rolling that boulder up the hill. I don't like Avatar. I don't care much about this new movie. That being said, when I put those glasses on, the first clip they showed us where they were like

swimming underwater with all these sea creatures. That was magical. Magical. I will say when they handed us like the 3D glasses, I was like, here we go again. It's fucking 2010. Get this bullshit out of here. And then they show us an underwater clip.

And I'm like, God damn James Cameron. That shit looked so nuts. It was so good. That shit looked gorgeous. Now, we all can agree. It went on too long. So they didn't show us one clip, not two clips. It's not three clips.

It was like five or six. Five. Yeah. And it was like after each clip. It was deep in the plot and we had no idea what was going on. Here's the thing. I, after the first clip, I was about to be like, yo, James, call James Cameron Oliver North because he got that crack and he's putting

in our system. Like, and then I saw all the other clips. And I'm like, no, bro. Like, like, here's a thing. It was, after a couple of the clips, I'm like, maybe you should have left Avatar. So look, I don't, so, you know, they have. like fish people avatars. And,

why am I call them an avatars? This is what they call. What are they called? The Navi. Navi. The Navi. Wow. Steve off Mike,

Johnny on the spot with the, with the Avatar trivia. So the problem with the clips was that the clips was like Joe said, they were sitting, they had emotional stakes. And we don't know what the fuck is going on.

I don't know who any of them are. So they should have showed us the prettiest shit and called it a day. Yeah, just vibes only. No plot. Because the vibe were amazing. Because at first,

they were swimming. And first of all, you guys, everyone was in the sound of my voice. I cannot tell you how great this stuff looked. Wait, I really want to be clear. It looked fucking amazing.

I've never seen an underwater scene in a movie do that. Like, emotionally. And I've never seen 3D do that. Oh, where like, genuinely I had to stop myself from reaching out to, like, touch a stingray.

I remember, we're not in the arc light or, no. We're in an expo hall. You know what I mean? And we were in the like towards a back. Back, you know? It looked fantastic.

It's just they really, you can tell he loves his movie because they made us watch like 15 minutes of it. But you got to, you have to understand that that's only going to be like a tiny fraction. That movie is like four hours. The way they said it up to each clip really didn't have that much to do with the other clip. So I'm like. I tried to give away the story. But I was just like, what the fuck is happening here? What am I watching?

Who is this? Yeah, who is it? Like, also, I got to be real, too. They had, like, this light skin do with Dres. I got to, I got to tell everybody, this is for rings of power, this for House of Dragon, this for Avatar. Black people are beautiful. Black hair is beautiful. Dog, come on.

Give black people some different hair. Like, there's more, there's more than dreads. Like, come on. Is there? What do you mean? I mean, if we, so if we're going to use the natural hair, it's not that versatile. Something really wild. Oh, wow.

I'm just saying if we're talking about They're all different type of natural hair threads But like, you know Braids? I mean, braids, if you're going to be swimming, like, I'm going to be honest with you. Just be real with you. We can go to the islands all the time.

What does she do before we go to the islands? Put their hairs and some braids. What should you do? These niggins are swimming around all the time in Avatar land. They're going under the water. It's probably the easiest team to maintain. What about Afro?

You could do, I mean, you could do an afro but think about that though and afro on a navi would be wild it would be so nuts bro bro bro br br br br br br br brh think about that though think about you got a whole what if there's just one tribe of the navi as the afro tribe

they shit is out there bro they got a pick in that shit too right that would look crispy and you know what the crazy thing about avatar is I'm gonna be honest with you man they need more niggas than avatar and I'll tell you why we know deep down

that when we look at that that those are the niggas. We like, we like, they're at least, not white. They're definitely not white. We know deep, we know deep down. They're not white. We know deep down because look at the people

who they have playing in Navi. Las Alonzo, Zoe Zaldana. We know deep down that when we look at them that those are the niggas. So, like for me, I want to see some other science people, like some other people in the thing. some other black people

so that I don't have to believe that the Navi are the black people because it gets weird after a while. You know, anyway. There's something that's really weird that I thought was a joke, but was not, once we saw the footage. Sigourney Weaver is playing

not only her character from Avatar, but also the teenage daughter of Zoe Saldana's character and Sam Worthington's character. It's something weird going on, right? Because in the thing, in one clip, they showed us a clip, And one of the Navi, because they're still,

I'm just so confused because I thought that at the end of the original Avatar that they had destroyed the link to science because all of that stuff, they drove those people out, but they're still doing Avatar stuff. It seems like... It's still going back and forth. From what I could tell, it seems like there are like the natural born Navi, and I don't know if they totally fuck with.

this new Navi who seems like the humans that placed their minds. Well, it seemed like the military got hold of the tech because it feels like we saw human military with guns going after the in Navi. Oh, they did. Yeah. In the first one, but it's happening again. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

In the first one, that never happened. In the first one, in the first one, none of the military guys that were attacking the Navi, none of them were in Avatar bodies. The general from the first one survived. Stephen Lang, he said so. Yeah, and so he is now in the form of the Navi. What I'm talking about is the clip that they showed

when the Navi child, who I think is a child, she was jumping on top of Sigourney Weaver inside one of the Avatar things, saying that that was her mom. And they were questioning who the dad was. Who the dad was. So what I'm telling you is all of these clips were beautiful, but we're asking a million questions a second.

We don't know what's going on. We don't know what the fuck. Do you think the humans had kids and they put their kids consciousness in the Navi? And that's why the kids are confused. So I'm going to wrap up this. Joe don't give a fuck about Avatar. She's just like, y'all can do this after. This is how it's supposed to be an hour.

And I know that it's not. And Dan has to go. So I'm good. This has been House of Midnight. That is D-23. We got to thank Steve Allman, who, like, hung out like a champ in Anaheim with us to... Hearing us talk about all this shit being like, what are y'all talking about? Just giving priceless facial expressions as we talk.

Also, of course, thanks to Jomi for hitting the socials. Sorry, we're really bummed that he's not here in our Juno Ramqapal for all of his production work, telling us to where to go for our badges and passes because we are helpless baby children. So thank you to Arjuna. We'll be back, of course, with, you know, House of the Dragon, Midnight Boys, et cetera. You know the deal. Charles, do you want to take us up?

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