The Ringer-Verse - D23 Reactions, ‘Umbrella Academy’ Finale, and ‘Tales of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles’ | Mint Edition

Episode Date: August 10, 2024

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Hello and welcome into the ringerverse Your nexus podcast feed for all things fandom I'm Steve Alman I'm Jimmy Dinneron And we're back once again Mint Edition is here It's the once in a while podcast about all the latest fans You just can't live without

Jomi how you doing? I'm doing good I feel healthy That's very good I feel alive For the first time in weeks Steve I just, there's something,

there's just something about today, man. Is the Olympics? This is the fact that, you know, the USA took Serbia down. That's exactly what it is, bro. Right. Because I'm proud to be an American, because at least I know I'm free. LeBron James got a triple double

and 36 from Caracas. Wow, okay, all right, all right. You know what, honestly, we're going to stop you there because you can't get any hotter than that. I can't. Literally can't. The mic almost broke. No, it's a great time.

a year. It's a wonderful time of year. Summer's almost over. Kind of coming to a close, but the content cornycopia is got one final offering for us. We're going to be talking about the latest news from D23, and later on in the show, the great and wonderful Jessica Clemens is going to be joining us to talk about Umbrella Academy and Tales from the Teenage Mutin Ninja Turtles to shows that came out. One we really, really liked, and another we're going to talk about also. Oh wow. I wonder which is which. Listen to find out. Who's to know? Hey, Jess. She's here already.

Hello. I had to, I had to, I, it's so funny. I'm not going to get too into it. I felt a way about the other. But I talked to someone that made me feel differently. A little bit, a little bit. And I was like, okay. But I understand where, like, because when I first watched it, I went, it was like if you guys also had four more episodes.

Yeah. Like, you're supposed to. That we could have flushed this out. not rushed it. Spoilers. I'm sorry. Edit it. Edit it.

Beep, beep. Beep it out. Wonderful. Well, we're very excited to talk about that. But first, let's throw to Stephen Jomi from the future and go to the floor of D23 with our reactions to the latest news from D23.

All right. Jomey at Dineran joining me from inside my Nissan Ultima. That's right. We're a year in Anaheim. 2010? 2010? 2010. It's a very nice model. It's lasting me a very long time. Yes. We're here live. It's about 1115 at night, D23 in Anaheim.

We just got out of the Honda Center from the Friday night presentation from D23. Jomi, let's kick it off. How do you feel? How was D23? How was this presentation? Man, you know, the presentation gave us a lot of good stuff. We can't really go on with this bit that we've had with ourselves without giving us some context. We've been doing voices to each other the entire night. Because we've been driven insane. Yes, we've been driven insane on the campus of Disney tonight. There was a lot going on.

There was a lot going on. There was some highlights. Yes. There were some low lights. We did. There were a few, yes. There were some moments where we had to look ourselves. So we didn't sit next to each other.

We sat like kind of like across like a couple rows. Like a half row kitty corner away. Yeah. And I would look at Stephen and be like, man, where are we right now? Look how the mighty have fallen. Okay, I think a quick impressions check before we get into the nitty-gritty of the announcements from here is we came here from D-23, like this very same month,

to Comic-Con prior. Mm-hmm. What's the big difference between, say, Hall H, Marvel's presentation, and this vibe-wise, go. Man, so I think what's... I think what's set out to me the most is that there's a lot of at all late

people are there for Marvel Right right there for Camping out for three days You know what's the next news On the Marvel Seminary universe The entire thing This I mean obviously Let me not stick the obvious

Disney right But there were some things That excited people a lot Let's say Descendants 2 Yes You know The tour

This is going to be good for the tour. World's Collide Tour. People are going nuts over that. Maybe it didn't particularly interest us or the audience of this podcast. No. Not at all.

Or maybe it does. And you know what? We're welcome to have you. The thing is there's a lot. I think there's a lot of good stuff in there that we're going to get into. Sure. But as like a whole three hours

are in there, kind of feel like, again, this is just us being very specific to like what we cover and what we do. Yes. A lot of it, there was like, like, they had like a, we're getting off topic. It was like a performance.

They had Hercules forming, who by the way is black. Shout out to Black. You know, yeah, we're going to have a bit of a bonus section of the announcements that weren't exactly for us in the ring or verse. But we enjoyed and other great things that we had happened to us. A good time. There's a lot of fun stuff we're going to get into. But let's get into the stuff that people came to here, shall we? All right.

Let's start with Marvel. I'd say about half of these offerings were stuff that we already saw it, Comic-Con. The people might not have seen either of these. Well, the leaks are pretty good online right now. Yeah, they are. So we saw the Fantastic Four teaser that we had gotten at Comic-Con. We got a little new little new thing.

It's a little bit, like a little bit. It's Ebon, Pedro, Vanessa Kirby, and Joseph Quinn sitting at a table. Yes. And it's a nice little intro. And this is the first time we hear Johnny say some, and it's got like the suit with the four on it. and it looks cool. It looks nice. Again, very retrofutious

60s look. Exactly. Type beat. I'm sure you guys seen the pictures. I'm sure they're everywhere before. But it was a nice little cast greeting because they actually couldn't be there. They're shooting right now.

They're filming for two weeks in London. That's right. That's right. Exactly. So that was very nice. I still think that the Fantastic Four is probably the best and most positive vibes offering that Marvel has going for it.

Yeah. Same thing with Captain America, Brave New World, but the biggest announcement, I would say, from the night is the Daredevil trailer that we got this evening. What did you think about the trailer? What did you feel about the excitement around Daredevil? They did this interesting thing where, like, they kind of cycle through all the announcements,

but the big logo comes up a bit early before they're finished. So when the logo came up, the pop in the auditorium was huge. It was great. People went crazy for it. The funniest thing that happened all night, and we talked about those a little bit before. are recording is that for every single thing, they all come out.

It's Charlie Cox, Eldon, Eldon Henson, Deborah Ann Wals, John Bernthal, Vincent Donofrio, and they all get out there and they like talk for two seconds and then they leave. Right. They're out there. And what we have to like, what we have to mention here is the fact that like at least at Comic-Con there's like some seblance of a- Well, they get like 15 minutes. Yeah, they give to the people.

Like everybody gets to talk. everybody gets a piece. And it's very much this, like, I don't want to say half-ass but very, like, ushered along, like, okay, what was it like to be playing this stuff? It was really great. Here's a trailer.

And then we're on to the next thing. No, there was one big thing they ended on. Yeah. And they brought out the entire cast, and the entire cast didn't say a word. I know, and it's wild. And we'll get to that in a minute. We'll get to that in a minute.

But ultimately, the dead of a trailer? It looked like some gas, boy. I know, you know, I'm the glass. half full guy. You know, I'm the I'm the dude who everybody's like, yo, Jummi's gonna love it. It looked cool. You know, there was a level of, they made sure

to show like the violence again. Yes. And there was like, it was very different in terms of not like, it's not the same, it's not that it wasn't like the same thing we've been saying. There's a lot of different like scenes and right and cuts and like, okay, he's in the suit, he's out of the suit, he's wearing this. So it's like, oh, there's

looks to be a lot of fights. There's a lot of action in this new series. I think for the main thing that I was looking for in the trail that I didn't necessarily get but I'm fine with not getting it is the main stand out differentiating thing between this and the Netflix series.

Obviously they want to bring a lot of the vibes from that Netflix series into this, but I kind of want to see something that makes me feel like these are either different characters rather than continuations of the same characters. Really? A little bit. Not to say that it's

a bad thing that what we saw, because obviously all of this looked raucous and fun. Yes. But I still feel like a tad, I guess confused as to where we're actually going to be starting off from with this. I don't know. For all intents of purposes, we know that these are brand new

versions of these characters. I don't know, man. Do you know? What do you know? What do you know? What do you know? Steve, I don't know, man. The thing, I mean, people want to see these characters again. Remember when it was, when they first started shooting,

there was no Karen. There was no foggy. And they threw half of a season of television in the trash. Because people got mad. People like, yo, what's the point? If you're not just going to run it back. Exactly. Right? So, for you to just be like, I don't know, I don't want them running back. I'm not saying that I don't want them running back. It's more of the fact

that I'd like to have a semblance of place with these new characters rather than the assumption that everybody knows who these people are and we're just right back in the action. I kind of feel like they do though. I mean, you can reset the you can reset the table a little bit. Yeah. But I don't think, I think in the end of the day, the people

who either know Daredevil from the Netflix show are already locked in and new people it's not too hard of a concept to pick up the dude is blind he's a lawyer and he fight people it's not that hard we also see the different helmets

that Daredevil has a lot of collection so implying that we'll almost get every single variation of his look which is cool we'll get the gray suit we get the red suit we get the yellow suit mustard mustard she-hulk the mustard on the beach for that one.

Are you going to see? Not yet. Not yet. Now we're going to... To be continued. All right, let's move on. Wait, no, no. No, no.

He was getting busy in that shower. He was. They letting... They letting there that would be hurry. All right. Shock horror, Jomey. Oh, I lost. I lost.

No, I lost, too. I didn't think they were going to say it. I didn't think they were going to do it. This is, man, tough. Ironheart's out. It's coming. Ironheart's coming. It's coming.

Anthony Ramos was on the screen. They announced that like 40 billion years ago. Yep. Bro, we got Ironheart before we got Blade. We got Ironheart before we got GTA 6 and that's nuts. I, okay, all right. I think in all seriousness, now we've seen footage, now we know what the show looks like, now we know kind of what the tone is here.

Yeah. Seems okay. I mean, I'm not gripped by anything, but I think it's more like, okay, Riri is back in Chicago and. she got kicked out of school. Yeah, kicked out of MIT. And she's got to get money to find a suit. Here's the thing, man.

You know, nobody has ever made something out of themselves after getting kicked out of MIT. Right. Nobody. In fact, nobody's ever Just like Dean said, you're not the first genius to be in Harvard. Dene to Dean, Dean. Or Am I mean? You know what I mean? Real quick, what's your best Dean bit?

I mean, beside the Dalmatian bit is pretty funny. The Dalmatian bit is good. It's basically when he comes in the room. What's your favorite bit when he comes to the room? Oh, it comes to the room. Yeah, what's his baby? It's when he's dressed

It's like half man He's got the half man Half-Dress thing going on Right He's like I have to go I have to go to the bank today So good

I mean for a turn I thought There was some Again I never thought That was coming out So it was a shock to me Frankly that we're seeing footage I thought that was some cool bits

I think the suit looks nice In terms of Like what she's going to have Yes In the show I think That's going to translate Well to

television screens. What is Anthony Ramos doing? I believe he is the hood. Yes, the hood, right? Yes. I'll be to see what that looks like because he's got like it's not magic,

but it's kind of... It's kind of magic. He's a little like magicy, edge lordy kind of guy with guns. Yeah, yeah. So there could be some interesting stuff to be half there. I will be interested to see what it looks like. Because Ryan Kuhl came out.

He's a EP. He's one of the EPSs on it. And so he was, he's the one who was originally like, yo, bringing out the cast and everything. So he seems to be a part of it. He's got, there's a level of quality when it comes to Ryan Cookeler Projects. Right, of course. And I hope that that carries over. Genuinely hope that it's good.

I hope we all enjoy it. And that everybody's fine. They're already on Twitter calling it woke DIY bullshit. Oh, God. Really? I'm so glad I left Twitter, man. I'm so glad I left Twitter. That's so, that's such a, we're not talking Agatha.

We don't say nothing about Agatha. Okay, no, no, no, we are actually going to talk about Agatha. um catherine han came out singing they came out singing witchy chance i i'm still not a hundred percent one over on the concept of this show i do

think that they are having fun with this you got a month to lock in i do and i i am determined to do so right now it is 1130 in anaheim and we got other stuff to lock in on it is it is hot in this car it is very hot

hot this car is car all right let's move on to Star Wars. Talk Star Wars. Genuinely big stuff. We got to look at Mando and Grogu, the movie. Dude, that was crazy, bro. I could have sworn that we weren't going to get anything, because that's out in 2026, and that's borderline a trailer. Well, so here's the thing, right? It's kind of easy when you don't need actors.

That's very true. When it's all puppets and stunt doubles, you can kind of actually make a lot. Let's be very fair. Now, like, there are people in the Mando suit, obviously, who, you know, deserve our love and respect. But like, it's, you know, VL for Pedro Pascal. You can, you know, you get the folks to be in there and they do the walking and he does the talking. So ultimately, we get the, I think the coolest thing we see some snow troopers.

Obviously, that was pretty cool. Oh, yeah. But Zeb is there. I think, I don't know if he's going to play. Crazy that Zeb's there. Well, because, so we're in the, we're in the spot and it's John Favro and Dave Filoni. And the background, like the big screen behind them, is that rebel base that we go to,

that we went in season three. Right. Right? Where we saw Zeb for the first time in live action. So maybe they go back. They need Zeb's help for things. I mean, think about it. We've seen Ezra.

We've seen Asoka. We've seen my wife, Harrison Dula, choppers. You know, we've basically seen everybody from the ghost crew. Rest in peace, our guy, Canaan Jaris. Yeah. Right. So now it's Zebs term to get his spotlight in the Star Wars live action universe.

But not too much because, frankly, I want this movie to be simple. And I kind of want the Mando and Grogu IP to come back to a place of strength, please. Dude, I mean, they had Grogu doing diehard. He was going to do the Vets. Frankly, there was the final shot that actually destroyed me. And that was a bunch of Babu Fricks inside of a tiny ship with Grogu in it. And they were all very tightly. Oh, my God. That was so cute. Bad baby.

That's bad baby. Bad baby. No, so I'm very excited about that. Then we get a trailer for skeleton crew. I'm actually wild. I won over by this. See, here's the thing, man. Two things.

Right. First and foremost. They got suburbs in space. That felt really weird. They got space suburbs? No. What's more crazy is that they have like garages. They got garages.

They got homes. They got garages. with bikes in them. You think they got 401ks out there, bro? They got like HOAs? Like they got stepdads. They've got the whole nine. What, no, but like it very much is indicative of the kids on bikes genre. Yes. And very 80s. Yes. Very Goonies. I mean, they said it goonies. Yes. And you see,

you see a skeleton with cobwebs on it. Right. Like that's the thing. What's, so here's the thing. And this is the other thing I was going to say. I'm going to admit it to everybody. Right. I haven't told anybody this publicly, but This is, I wanted you to cure this for me first, guys. I'm in love with Star Trek Prodigy. Oh. I love Star Trek Prodigy.

I can't stop watching it. I've been watching. I literally had to start, like, limiting myself to two episodes a night because I could just watch all of them and that'd be done, you know, way too soon, you know what I mean? It's the same show. Well, okay, but it's the same show. Do you think that this could elevate it a little bit? this might be a bit more of a heightened thing.

We got Jude Law, obviously being a kooky force user, possible Jedi to wrangle these kids. I think this could be really, really fun. All I'm saying is you got a bunch of kids who find a starship, and then there's an adult, you know, who can help them, get back home. Maybe there's a backstory with him, you know? Maybe there's a backstory. Oh, they get into Waggy Adventures.

All I know, only thing I know for a fact is that Van is going to hate this show. Doesn't like Pluck. Doesn't like Pluck. It's gonna be Pluck. This show is not, will be the Pluck Central of the universe. We're calling it now, folks. Van ain't gonna like it. But I like it.

I think it's gonna be great. I genuinely, I didn't think that it would look that real true to life. Because it's genuinely, I saw a suburb. We saw sidewalks. The trailer's on Twitter. People can see it. Yeah, okay. So, like, you see sidewalks.

You see like kids on bikes in schools and school buses. Like, this is, why is the Star Wars? Wait, wait. What kind of empire? Wait, when is this set? Where, really? It's more because like, these are probably the central planets, and they push, these kids get pushed out to the outer rim. Okay. A lot more danger involved.

Okay. Okay. So it's kind of, it's not like chorus, you know what I'm saying? It's just, you know, it's a little, it's a little nice. Yeah. You know, you got a little. This really does make me question. I'm like, maybe the government was that bad?

Was the Empire? Was the Empire Twicken on? Andor! Season 2. Andor! Fucking, hell yes. Dude. dude, K2SO baby

K2SO's back fucking Mon Mothema's back Mombatha K2SO Bix We knew this before but I forgot that this is taking Place over four years This season rather than

Like the span of like a month Yeah Genuinely thrilling because I just I literally forget them like Oh we get these characters back We get K2SO We get all of these things that are like Leading up right to the doorstep of Rogue One

Yeah Yep yeah That in the hands of Tony Gilroy, I'm fucking thrilled to get again. Stellant Scar, Scard, Stalk, Wig, on, Luna, back. Fashion, honestly, the fits were kind of crazy. Dude, the fits are going crazy, man. Look, I mean, obviously, this is a show that on the Ring of Versus we have championed its excellence for years, and we still got to wait one more.

One more. 2025. Honestly, I will patiently wait for the best thing that Star Wars did in years. I will be there no matter what. Steve, get your phone open, bro. I'm ready. It took you three times to tap in your password, dog. You good?

Mm-hmm. We're good. All right. That's going to do it for the main stuff, but now we're going to throw in some treats. Starting off with Pixar. Yeah. A couple of bangers they came at us with. Biggest announcement of the Pixar Slate, go.

Incredibles three, baby. Guess what? It's almost all sequels that we're going to be talking about. There's a lot of sequels. From here on out, we're mostly sequels. Folks. Respect the other one. The other one. Hopper.

There it is. Yeah, Hopper. Hopper. Shout out to Hopper. Hopper is incredible. We're body swapping with gophers. That's what we're doing. It's a robot gopher. All right.

We're body swapping with robot gophers. Pepper Curta is starring as the robot gopher. And John Hams and Evil Mayor, which we love that. And Bibby Monaghan. Bobby, BB, BB. Bibi Monaghan. Bibi. Bibi. Bibi. Bibi Bibi Bibi Bobby Bibi Bobby.

Bobby Bobby. Bobby Bobby. Yeah. Yeah. Bobby Bobby Boobby. Bobby Brown. Bobby Mooneyhan is King. The king gopher? Yeah, the king gopher.

So, hey, that's one original. Yeah, right? They got one. And they got the Elo in space. Elo and space. You was hating. No, no, no. Honestly, I genuinely think you was hating on the original.

Fair. Fair enough. I think they got really good vibes with Elo. Honestly. I think for the fact that they invoke Carl Sagan, the spirit of adventure. Yeah. Pixar and Space hasn't done it that well.

It's either light year or Wally. You didn't like, you didn't like a year? is, what? You know, like Lightyer? Let's move on. What else do we have here? I think there's too much to specify

whether or not I'm still sold on the idea of Toy Story 5. So here's the thing, right? You're mad about the sequels, right? The problem is... Tell me that Toy Story 4 was necessary. Of course it wasn't. Actually, it was necessary.

For the money! Yeah, all right. Nick, you gotta, hey, look, find a nemo, or, Funny Dory don't make itself. No. You know what I'm saying? Elo don't make itself.

Hopper don't make itself. Yeah, you got to build a castle. You know what I'm saying? Built brick by brick. Hey, we don't, look, every five, six years, you're going to get a new toy story. Right, so you can get it. Listen. Listen.

Woody's second kid is going to be 40 and then we're going to get Toy Story 10. To Story 6? All right, all right, all right. We workshopped a couple of titles for the new Toy Story. Because we hope that it just keeps going on and on. a la Fasten the Furies. The fifth one in the installment is actually going to like revitalize the franchise and it's going to bring new life into it. They're going to go to Brazil.

The Rock's going to be into it. Yeah. Yeah. We will talk about the Rock later. We will talk about Rock the Rock later. We will talk about the Rock later. They're going to drag a safe through Rio. So this is Toy Story 5.

Yes. And then next will be Story 5. Story 6. No, no, no. Toy and Story 6. Toy and Story 6. Well, we got to start for the beginning, right? It was the toy, the story.

The toy the story. Then it was two, two toy two story. Yes. Then it was Toy Story Tokyo Drift. Then it was just Toy Story. Mm-hmm. Right. Then it's Toy 5.

Correct. Then it was Toy and Story 6. Mm-hmm. Then it was Story 7. Right. Right? Then it was... Take us to 10.

Fate of the story. Show me, I'm going to need you to get to 10. It was fate of the story. Yes. Then it was a toy 9 and then Toy 7. Close. There you go. There it is. Great, great. That's the whole slate.

Hooroy. That's the whole sleep. Toy Story 5, their kid has an iPad. Here's why I'm excited about Toy Story 5. One, Andrew Stan is back. He is, and he's written on all of them, but he's back to the director's one. He's been working at Pixar basically since it was founded. Correct.

So he knows what he's doing. And B, you mention it. It's how toys react to a world where people don't really play with toys. playing with technology now. I think that could be an interesting story, right? I don't know how deep they're going to get into the weeds and how powerful the mess is going to be, considering that, you know, all these companies are really tech companies. If the moral of the story is kids put your phone down.

I don't know. I might be interested. I might be into that. Because we do need to, people do need to touch grass. Yes, yes. People do need to touch grass. Just playing with toys, enjoying the moments. Enjoying the moment.

But ultimately, I think The Incredibles 3 is the thing that, you know, at least for me, I'm excited about. Oh, yeah. We don't have to wait 14 years to go between incredible sequels, which is nice. But, I mean, they didn't show us anything. This is literally like they're announcing it. Brad Bird is working on the story.

It's just, it's in development. It's in development. They will make it. It might actually take 14 years. Yeah, no, it's going to be a minute. Like 2027 at best. At best. Oh, I don't really.

I would say like 28, honestly. Yeah. Those movies take a while. These things take a minute. All right. So that's going to be it for the major stuff that we would like to cover. Honestly, let's freestyle for tonight. Hey, man.

Hey, man. We got to talk about it. All right. You mentioned the sequel stuff. Yeah. We got, okay. I'm just off the dome. Off the dome.

Frozen three. Frozen three and four. And four. They just said. And four. It was a wild thing to say in passing that we're doing to. It was the most understated thing. It was like, yeah, man. Also, we're just doing four.

Because obviously we need that. She went up there, the director of the Frozen film. what up there? I was like, yeah, you know, yeah, we're excited about this next movie. Guess what? They said that a lot. We're all very excited.

But check this out. We're excited for this next story, and we just couldn't fit it into one movie. So we're making two. Anyway, here's some footage. Yeah, and then you hear the crowd go like, what? What?

What? Frozen Four? When you've announced Frozen Three? Okay, fine. Right. You're like, we know, I mean, we knew Frozen Three was coming, but for her to be like, We're just doing Frozen 4.

Yeah, we're making a second one. Anyway, it's nuts how easily she was like, yeah, man, big story. Got a working, we got Frozen 3 coming and Frost 4 is on the way. Anyway, what's up next? It was just like completely wasted. If you were not paying attention, you would have missed it. Insane. You would have missed it.

So, I mean, okay, so sequels, Frozen 3 and 4. Moana 2. Let's talk about, let's stop there. Let's talk about Moana 2. How do you feel about Roeons? Rock the Dwayne Johnson coming out on stage and having a great time.

And this is the hard part of the job because we get to have a lot of fun. Sure. We get to, you know, talk about these things that we love and these characters and these people that we've enjoyed watching

for a long time. And I don't know. I'm going to get this. I'm going to say this. Best you can. It's hard to watch your heroes die right for your eyes. You know,

when Iron Man, snaps and you know he's gone until he's back in Avengers Doomsday it's tough when Spider-Man's like yo I don't want to go even though you know it's coming back in the next movie it still hurts when Bufasa dies in Lion King and then gets a sequel we will get to that prequel you know what I mean we will get to that Dwayne Johnson gets out there they do a whole Mawanna 2 thing you know by the way Mawanna 2 started the evening off with announcements.

Yes, right? And people, I mean, so everybody was happy. The rock comes out. We knew Moana 2 was coming. It's not new. But yeah, big cheer for Dwayne the Rock Jackson and Aulili. They're out there doing a bit.

It's honestly pretty great. They have like dancers and they're singing and it's. She did a whole song? Whole song. Owali was was great. Right. Dwayne comes out, does his thing. The crowd goes crazy for for the rock.

Then the rock comes, they end the Moana two things. and the more attitude thing. Because the rock comes back out. Right. And people are kind of like, okay. Hey, what's going on? Hey, great business partner, man of mine. We love doing business together.

Don't you like business? Mana. All right, let's talk about the next thing that I have going on. Monster Jam. Yeah. And the crowd went mild. Yep. Not a peat.

They had pyrotechnics. Pyrotechnics. Bro, like they did the whole thing. And no. body care. Really tough. Duane to Rock Johnson got no motion. Nah, that was

tough. I don't... That was tough to see in real time. Man. Do you think it was Red Notice that did it? The Higher Carey Power did not change, brother. Higher Park Keyer Power did not change. I mean, it was, you know, there's a couple stuff going on. Remember of the beef of Vin. Right. And then, you know,

what's called Black Adam? Black Adam didn't work out. Red Notice. This day will work out. It was just miss after miss. And then I think that we're back into the great arms of Bob Iger. And we're going on from there. We're not talking about Bob Iger.

We can't talk about Bob Iger, bro. Yeah, we are. No, we're not, bro. I think we are. No, because I'm going to say some stuff that's going on a fair. Let's stay. And again, maybe I'm like. Let's take it simple.

Let's take it slow. The start of the show begins. Well, first of all, that's not where it started. Yo op was in town. That's fine. We don't need to talk about mention him. Let's talk about my own. We don't know what you're not.

We don't mention your names. There is one person in L.A. that Steve hates. Somebody needs to get the crowd going. That's all I'll say. No, no, no, no. You don't know what I'm saying? You hate that man, though. He was doing his job.

Yeah. It's bad. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. So the start of the show begins with like a sizzle reel of all Disney properties. It's actually quite exciting and thrilling. It'd be like, okay, wow, this is everything that they've got.

Yeah. Disney owns a lot of shit. A lot of stuff. Disney owns a lot of shit. A lot of stuff. And then Bobbert, William Iger comes out. Mm-hmm. to a standing ovation.

Brough, look, again, I went on the Comic-Con podcast and I made gongling noises. Just put that right there. At the presence of Robert Dynne Jr. Yeah, just put those noises that I made in that podcast into this podcast, bro. That was the most insane thing I've ever seen in my childhood. It really is.

It was profound. I did. I was, okay, Bob, Ier, look, I don't think it was like the NBA draft or the NHL draft or Gary Becker. Batman or Adam Silver come up and go, boo, that's tradition. But that was his room. Roger Goodell come up. Boo, we do that.

That's how, maybe I'm a sports guy. But when the boss come in, boo, or you just do nothing. Bob Iger. But that's not, again, that's not, that's not what this is. Standing O for Bob Iger? It feels interesting. It really did feel interesting.

Because, again, you know when you're in the media section because they don't go crazy for the things that you think that they would go for, if anything. And I tell you what, we didn't talk about this. Shout out to Mike and Rachel. Right. So I'm sitting there. We were in there for three hours, just three of us,

just cracking jokes back and forth. Sure. And they really didn't, you know, go nuts until freaking Tron not announced. Honestly, I got a little excited for Tron, too. You like Tron Ares? Yeah. I'm not like, that you can be.

No, no. Okay, here's two things. What I didn't know is that you were a big Geroletto guy. I'm not. I'm absolutely not. I'm big, not Jared Leto guy. I was more excited for Tron than I thought I would be because I genuinely forgot that that was a movie that was happening.

And when they bring out Jeff Bridges, Evan Peters, the whole, everybody, I'm like, oh, wow, this is a real movie that is actually happening that shot scenes. Can't believe you forgot, Greta Lee. And Greta Lee. But it's done. It's done and it's here. I'm, I think it's also,

again, a good, now Tron is a beacon of cool vibes and what cool band can we get to make the soundtrack. And when they brought out, Bro, nine inch nails. Oh my gosh, this is when I'm like,

okay, PR back-in deals, uh, for points. Oh my goodness. Have to be so sweet. Because when I tell you that they just like peaked open the, doors of that stage to reveal

9-inch nails, they literally stood there, said nothing, did not move. And they're like, thanks, guys, and then close the doors. It could have been two random white dudes. It might have been mannequins. Honestly. For all I knew.

Because it's a whole a laser thing. I'm like, yo, this is cool. Man, what's going on? It looked cool, but I'm like, did we need all that gas? I mean, 9-inch nails is pretty good. I didn't say that. It sounds bad.

I'm just saying, like, if they're going to do something for 90 and stuff like that, at least talk. I guess. And be like, we're really excited. Like, I, maybe. All right. What else? What else?

Okay. So, again, not exactly all ringer verse stuff that we would necessarily have been interested in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We talked about Tron. They showed us from Tron. They did. It's in the real world. And it looked great.

They had the light cycles. Oh, yeah. But we also got Disney on Broadway. I am being serious. You tell. You're telling me that they didn't sing the shit out of Hercules right there. Yeah, but like we got other stuff to talk about. I understand that, but I had fun with that.

I had fun with that. We didn't touch Zootopia, too. Do you want to touch on Zootopia too? Not really. Not really, no. I'm not a furry. They announced the greatest showman is in development as a musical. What else?

Little Stitch Live action? Pass, respectfully. That'll move you? No, no, thank you very much. It didn't move me either. But it could be interesting. How about freaky er Friday? Okay, see, we had another discussion about this.

Right. If it's Freaky Friday. And Freaky Your Friday. It's got to be freakyest Friday. Freakyest Friday. And the fourth installment. Friday after next. Freakiest Friday after next.

Yeah, right. In the Ice Cube and Jamie Lee Curtis, Switchbodies. That's the bit. We had fun with that on the bus. All right. Do we want to talk about the Lion King? That's what they ended the show.

And let's end our bit. No, you know, before we get to the Lion King, we got one more thing to talk about before we end the show. Snow White. People, hey, people, look, I'm going to open up. Yeah. They'd be like, Jomey been too nice. Jomey don't like nothing.

Or Jummi love everything. Right. Like, he's always, he's, get ready, folks. Too positive. Get ready to be said. Almost toxic positivity. Mm-hmm. That was the worst thing I've ever seen in my childhood life.

Snow White does not look good. That looked, that looked terrible. Yeah. The immediate thing that came to mind was Robert Zemeckis level facial animation. And if you don't know what that is, then I envy you because it's not good. And it's also an awkward position to when you have the one or two actors to come out and read from a teleprompter to promote and get people excited about the movie, it shouldn't be Gal Gadot. I think what we can all agree now is that it should not be Gal Gadot. Look, I love Rachel Zegler.

She has mad talent. Yes. I hate that she's going to have to like, she got to have to put this film on her back with something crazy, bro. Yeah. If she do this, she might as well be 2018 LeBron. I'm not even kidding with you, bro. 2018 thing about now. Now,

well, a little bit of stuff. You know what I'm saying? All right, right, right. It might be prom-bron stuff because that

looked not great. Awful. Not, not, not, not, not good. But then they end the show with the Lion King

prequel. They announced that it's, they mentioned that the music is being written by Lynn Mamma Miranda. Randa. Came out to Rock's applause, by the way.

Like, second to only Bob. Second to only Bob Iger for applause of the night. and this is what it's one of those things where again we realize that we're not in a particularly nerdverse room but and that's okay but to know that when we we have the lion king sequel that's coming out or the prequel that's coming out and we don't really know how to feel about cgai lions and like taka sure so taka talka is don't know that scars real net right

They showed us like a trailer that's, I'm sure it is up now and some like a song. So basically, Taka is the rightful prince of the Pride lands and he finds Mufasa. Yep. And somehow, some way we know how it ends. Yeah. Taka gets a scar. Reneer's throne got usurped. Exactly.

And then the war of the lions shall commence. So, and so, like, I have a bunch of questions. Excuse me. I have a bunch of questions. questions. One of which is is Mufaosa a colonizer? He just showed to somebody laying and just

you know take their spot, right? A. B I mean, I think it's best if I don't break this down. I mean, you got you got to think about it, right? I would involve myself. Right? And then there's a scene where they jump over a cliff so I guess

I'm familiar with your game. Yeah, come on come on, come on, you're not slick. You're not slick. You know, say, come on. You're not slick. Come on. But yeah, it was an interesting night, but I think we'll end it with one of the great anecdotes that we'll carry on. Boy, you don't want to talk about Avatar, Fire and Ash? You don't want to talk about our guy, Jim Cameron,

coming out with this great, great Hawaiian shirt. I would talk about his great Hawaiian shirt more than I would talk about Avatar. That bro was like, let me tell you something. Let me take something real quick. Two things. We're going to print this money. One, that band came out and said. a movie coming out December 2025.

Do we have footage for you? No. Do we have some animated gifts of some concept art? Yes. Their boy said there is no footage for y'all. It's like, look, look good. We're in the render farms, all right? We don't worry about it.

Going crazy. Two, brought Zoe Zaldani out in San Worthington. Zoe is one of the most profitable actresses in film history. Correct. She does the thing. When Disney calls, Zoe answers.

And guess what? She's an E-Lo too. Uh-huh. Right? So she was locked in. She says a little spiel. Sadrather to come up. So Renta's like, hey, man, I got nothing to say.

And the crowd goes wild. And the crowd goes, and Joe, he's like, yes, thank you, Sam. I texted Steve. I was like, hey, man. We don't want to hear from you. We're not trying to hear from you, bro. We're not here for it. He's either Jim or Zoe, bro.

He immediately was like, yo, y'all got it. I was like, hey, shout out. Avatar, Fire and Ash. Fire and Ash. Fire Nash. Fire Nash. You don't like a little pretty screensaver? A little little PS5 cousin?

Yeah. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. We got one last story to tell. One last story to tell. And man, it was fucking great. We got a David Blaine trick on us.

So David Blaine has a Nat Geo show. Which I actually will probably check out now. Do not attempt. The title is clean. clean title. It's a good title. It's him like going to different parts of the world and like trying stuff that the locals insane stuff that locals do regularly.

Think of like elevated jackass. Kind of but he I like trying to I mean again we haven't seen the show but he's like actually trying to like learn and appreciate these people because it's like guys who break bottles with their heads and wear bees on themselves.

Yeah. And like like their hair sword swallowers and like impaled themselves on the thing like it looks but gnarly but like yeah it looks crazy gnarly so what does he do he comes out on stage and proceeds to do a magic trick to the entire 12,000 person arena and he gave everybody a pack of cards up for us apparently we didn't get this pack of cards i wish we did right but like he's like all right now split the deck now split it again now flip this card over now split that again all right now take this one card now put it underneath your seats, but don't look at it and everybody goes, and then, like, he pulls

two people up from the crowd, and it's like, all right. I'm gonna shut up. Plants, but that's fine. It doesn't matter. It was amazing what he did. I don't care. Do you care? I don't care. I don't care. He pulls two people up in the crowd. He's like, all right, you, person number one, pick a card, I'm gonna, like, show me

one card, keep it in your mind, don't say it. Lady, take this card, don't show it to us. This is going to be your card. Show it. It's not a car. He's like, what's your card? Three of Hearts. He's like, oh, it's the Queen of Spades or something.

Yeah. He's like, well, no, she's holding the card. No, not her. The queen in the card is holding the three of hearts. And they're like, whoa, everybody, yeah. And they're like, but you're also holding the card. Look under your seats. You all are holding the three.

And the entire arena is holding a three. And I'm like, what the fuck? That was insane, bro. I'm not going to lie. That had me, I was like, yo, that's, yeah, he's a devil. That's the devil, bro. That's the devil. That's the devil.

That's only explanation. I can't. I can't knock it. That man's insane. That didn't mean those sense to me, bro. That was insane, dog. It really was an incredible night. Now I get my van fell the way he fell about David Blaineber.

Oh, my God. I'll tell that story forever. That was nuts. That was nuts. A 1,200 person arena all pulling the same card. Insane. Great night. great night genuinely a fun night

too long I'll say that long I can barely breathe right now but bro the window's in your car steaming right now it looks like a little of Titanic in here bro I know it's nuts

we jack and rose in this thing bro you know what I'm saying I'm ready to edit I'm gonna slam my hand down on your window and just trail off so people know what happened here all right well let's can imply what went down but not good time

I think what was your highlight I think it's the Star Wars slate Because the Star Wars slate came for, like, I expected very little from Star Wars. And I, almost from everything they showed me, I was like, oh, okay, I feel confident about it. Maybe make some more movies, but yeah. No, they're out of that space, but they're done so. I think the thing that got me most excited was Daredevil, the footage. Yeah, that was exciting.

I can't wait to be back, bro. I can't wait to be back. You can tell when Kevin Feigey wears the hat. That's what he's most excited about. All right. That's going to do it for us here from D23. let's throw back to the studio with Jess, me and Jomi

where we talk about Rise of the TMNT and Umbrella Academy. Spoiler warning for all those shows coming up. Every single episode of Umbrella Academy, every single TMNT thing ever. Yes. Be careful. Yes.

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Hit the street. Grab a can and get after it. Boy, that was exciting. Oh my gosh, dude, man. Dude, can you imagine they announced Aces of Shield season 8? When Kevin Feigey dropped it, ziplined in from the ceiling, like a SWAT team member to tell us Red Hulk is going to be also played by Robert Johnny Jr.

I'm really, really excited to. My favorite part was when Pixar, came out and they were just like, we're getting elemental two, elemental three, elemental eight, elemental 25. What's the subhead for elemental two? Elemental two, two more elements. Yeah, that's right. Back to basics.

Back to, bro. Lightning, bang. You know, they're just going crazy in there. That's an new Lightning McQueen spin-off. You're already cooking. All right. Now that we've talked about D-23, it's time to bring back Jessica Clemens to talk about two shows that we watched

and we enjoyed some of them, if not all of the other. We're talking about Umbrella Academy and Tales from the Teenage Me Ninja Turtles. Let's start with Umbrella Academy, Jessica Clemens. Talk to me first about your

initial thoughts on the show of Umbrella Academy to begin with and what were you coming into with season four in mind. Did you like season three? Do you like the show as a whole? I watched the show. I do, I think I've talked about it on the podcast before, too, that I'm one of those people that, like, doesn't end a show.

I'm like, even if I don't really like it, I'm like, I got so far into it. I must finish. That's not how I feel about Umbrella Academy, but I'm like, I'm just showing to a degree that I'm like, even if something upsets me. So you'll be a completionist about it. You'll finish it off. You're coming back for Liam Hemsworth days. How did you feel about season four? So season four is fine. Okay.

I see what they were, I see what they were doing. To be fair, I liked it more. than season two. Season two is too much for me. I love Lila's introduction. It was a lot

because I also think we also forget A, that's like the reveal of him being an alien for a minute. It's also like they all get the

upgraded powers that we already see in this season and there's just so much that happened that you also forget because season three felt like it was a lot as well

like with the machine and all that and the reset and then the Sparrow Academy and then you start forgetting that yeah this is also just one timeline.

It's not the multiples. It's the same one. They just keep messing it up. I'm going to zoom out just a little bit and say that, like, I think my overall problem with Umbrella Academy, as we brought ourselves into season three and definitely with this season for its final season, it really gets too overly complicated for its own good.

So overly complicated. And I know that it doesn't need to be, because what I loved about season one is that it really is focusing on a really wayward family dynamic that comes from just a bunch of superpowered kids that were forced to become heroes

by a psychopath dad and our story begins with them figuring out what happens with them and putting them on an adventure for all of that. And then seemingly with every other subsequent season it gets more and more complicated and those relationships get more and more muddled and we don't even feel clearer

about really any of them? Yeah, I don't want to play devil's advocate here. I'm just mentioning that there was the Rolling Stones article that recently dropped about how a lot of people behind the scenes, especially the writers, have a really hard time with the showrunner of the show, who was like making life on set and behind the scenes really difficult.

For sure. But when I read that article and how deep the writers were like, this is what happens and this is how bad it is, I was like, I can see this in your guys' storylines and trajectory. Because the first season, really, that's what got me

was the family. And also individually, the characters and what they do with their powers and how they handle each other. I was like, this is very fun. It's not even about,

like, a superhero story of, like, that's not the important part at all. I wanted to know what happened to Victor. That was all, I was like, why is Victor always ostracized? That was it.

And then once we got into this, like, multiversal timeline, I think it got really hard. But then if the writers are also having a really hard time behind the scenes, they're probably, like,

fighting about, like, how do we logistically make this work? And then ending on a fourth season with six episodes instead of 10, you're like, you're going to squeeze everything out, and you still kind of missed a couple things. I'm going to zig where you guys are zagging.

Oh. I love season four. The answer is, no, that's a lie. That's a lot. That's a lot. That's not true. Is it your least favorite? Definitely.

Oh, that's so sad. I think I like season two. I think it's kind of like, you know, it's like the horse meme. You know, the, like, the well-drawn horse. The drawing of a horse meme is like, like, season one. The tail is on four. Fire and the, yeah. Yeah, season one, oh man, season two.

Okay, you know, all right. It wasn't season one, but what could be? You know, season one was good. See, three, you're like, oh, oh, no, this is, that was in, you know, season one was in operation. Then you get season four and you're like, again, well, it's only six episodes. Let's get to it. Let's finish in. You're by the end, you're like, man, uh, what's going on?

I was a waste of time. And also, like, it discounted, I'm not trying to rag on it because I did actually, it. There's some good stuff in. there, but ultimately, I think as an entire season television, especially as an epilogue to an entire series of a series of a show, it doesn't really land the plane. It's, and it doesn't, the only person it really gives an full arc and story to, which they did in a, not to be a bad person, not a great way, is Ben. I was like, Ben was not really that major of a character in season one. We were like, this is just a ghost that's attached to Klaus.

Yes. And then they're like, oh, they say. saved Victor and now they died and went to heaven. Right. And then the third season we're like, we have asshole Ben. And now it's like, oh, here's the full arc of who Ben is. And I'm like, this is a different Ben entirely. Yeah. But then we also get with...

And that doesn't really matter to our... And like, if we're getting muddled with continuity in our own show and our own, like, story progression, yeah. That's where, like, you either got to be amazing at that or you shouldn't really do it. Because it really starts to get... Like, lesser shows shouldn't attempt. that. And I feel like that's the biggest problem with later season Umbrella Academy. I see that. It, it, I think, like, especially for me, summarized is exactly what you

said at the beginning, that it just got so overcomplicated. You did not need to do too much to these characters. I even kind of liked where, I've always been an Allison apologist. I know that everyone hates Allison. Allison is my, I think, I think it's because it's, I think it's because it's that actress. No, I love her. I think that she genuinely went through a bit of like, to me, character assassination in season three.

Yeah. That was so bad. Oh, yeah. They like made her a villain in season three. And I was like, she has a child. And like, legitimately terrible things that she did. And I'm like, why is this,

like borderline irredeemable for this character? Yeah. Outside of beginning season four with a completely white, like, swipe clean slate for everybody. It's all good, game. We straight. Hey, it doesn't matter.

A timelines reset. And nobody, like, I don't. I mean, to be fair, I guess at least the fourth season takes place six years into it. So it's like, we didn't see exactly how they went into living six years. Oh. We just saw them immediately be like, I'm a delivery driver. I'm a stripper. I own a bar in Nova Scotia.

And Victor and Allison have that conversation. And Victor was like, look, man, we don't got to be friends. And we never go back to it. Yeah. And that's it. A lot of this, a lot of the season is like they have these conversations about stuff. Oh, that'd be interesting. Oh, it's over. It's, that conversation made me upset.

Oh, my God. Because I was like, so wait, did you guys never, because they never come back at the end and say, we are actually friends. Which maybe that's, maybe they, maybe they, maybe that's what it is. But even then, it's like, I guess, but also let's, let's not. Things happen. It just kind of feels empty when you're like, yeah, we go hate each other, and the world's going to end, and then we're going to die, and we're never really going to talk past it. And to know that a show. at its height for me is really good at weaving through those complicated family dynamics. Because, like, if they're just stuck in one place,

if all of our characters have to butt heads to figure something out and find that common ground and end up loving each other, that's something that I really, really liked in the first season than, like, parts of season two. And to know that I don't want to say that the show ends on a over- bitter note, but it feels cynical. It doesn't feel like... It doesn't feel like the ethos of the show, the way

the show began. Yeah. Actually, I would think the only thing that I probably liked was the ending. Really? Yeah, I like the end, Dan, too. Like, again, like, spoiler alert for Barely Academy's Season 4, even though we did that already. They all die. They have to die to reset the timeline.

Worse, they can't exist. They can't exist. Exactly. Every time their existence create, like, either ends, they have to save the world or end the world. whichever one the plot decides that they need to do and in my head I'm like that makes sense

sure you know what did it make sense to me is that there was no like emotion behind it there's no like closure come together moment to be like we will all like make this wonderful beautiful sacrifice play for all of existence it

I it was I have two things one I do think it was a good end because for me personally, I'm always like, writer talk, not real world talk. Kill your darlings.

Sure, sure. Stranger Things. Kill the kids. Kill one of them. Don't be too precious about your characters for the sake of a good story. What's stranger kids

kill you, killer? Which one do I want? Yeah. I think if you have to kill a kid on Stranger Things. You're going to say 11. No,

it has to be Dustin. It has to be. It has to be. I don't say, I don't want it to be, but that one would be the one that echoes throughout all of us. 11 has set up

herself to die a million times and we know that she has to sacrifice herself. I would not kill. I would not care if Will dies. I do not care. That's fair. I think Will Dine would be like mad cynical because they're there because of him

his disappearance, right? So it feels like all for nothing if like they did all that and they kicked off as you. I don't want to change the subject too much. But do you know who I think is going to die from just looking at the trailer? I think the little Finn Wolfhard's little sister. There's a little,

they're the littlest one because they have a baby. They had a baby. They had a baby sister all the time you just rarely saw her. And now she's like five or seven. Sure, yeah. I think she's going to be taken by Becknan and killed. Oh, gee, that's dark. So I think they're like, oh, you want a kid that die?

We'll give you a baby. And I'm like, remember when they kill Barbara and people were really mad about it? And I was like, it was me. She was supposed to die the whole time. You guys have never watched a scary movie in your life. No, it was me.

I had a towel that said like, justice for Barb. Oh, my God. Man. Season one strange of things really was something special. It was so good. It was so special. But it's the same. But it's the same problem.

It's a perfect. Maybe it's Netflix. Maybe it's Netflix. Maybe it's Netflix. Where it's like, man, that's season one. Hey, man. Let's go. Gasoline.

Season two. Oh, okay. Wow. It fell off a little bit. Who can match season one? Season three comes like, hey. Season three comes like, hey. That last season, I said, I don't read this.

I said, I don't need these heart to heart moments. I don't even care what the adults are even doing right now. And it's Winona Ryder. I should care. And I will shoot some bail to Umbrella Academy. At least those episodes had the decency of not being 90 minutes long. Yeah, exactly. Okay.

Going back to Umbrella Academy, my friend said this exactly, and I just wanted to read it because I want to see if you guys fight it. She said, I think the show did a good job of giving each character something that was missing for them so that when it came to sacrifice themselves, they're ready. Like Victor gets to save his dad, gets his dad to admit he's extraordinary. Klaus gets to decide he actually wants to live when he's buried alive. And I think five's thing is he finally finds a nice peaceful spot with another human. Okay.

We got to talk about five thing. Okay. We've got to talk about it. We got to talk about Bruno. Quick pause on the five thing. I think all of that is valid on paper. Oh. But would you say that any of those things are executed in a way that you felt connected to?

I think it is executed very well, but you have to pay really deep attention. I don't think they put it like, they should have made it very. surface. Like they should have made it obvious what they were doing. Like the fact that the first episode starts with this montage and it is actually very similar mirror shot to the very first premiere episode. And it's them without

their powers. And it's like, oh, where this person, where Lila could adapt to anything, she now has to adapt to being a mom, which she cannot do. And it was like, oh, they're showing there, even in mirroring the original pilot, they're also mirroring just like how their powers affect are them today. And I was like, this is

really great. And then we watched like all of them make these concrete relationships or concrete sacrifices or whatever, climaxes for themselves, and then they have to get rid of it all. And that's why I said, kill your darlings earlier was mean something to me because I was like,

I don't think they're going to take Lilo away from her family. And I was like, and I don't think they're going to kill Claire Bear, Allison's daughter. And I was like, but they didn't. They just took them out of existence. Right. Which is even insaner to me.

I'm like, that is so sad to know that the future of the Umbrella Academy, if they were in our universe, they never existed. But it takes a fine line between making plays like that in your story border on brave versus cynical. And it's all in the execution as to whether or not we actually connect to that. And I don't. I was like, I think it's pretty brave to kill.

They literally can. No, it is. It is. But like the reason that the thing that makes it brave is the fact that we have to feel that when that event happens. Because to me, I'm like, okay, I guess you're doing this now. This is just another thing that the show seems to want to do for the stake. for the sake of stakes and for the sake of making like a weighty decision that I never personally felt connected to because it felt sloppy. Yeah, I don't disagree with that. It was done very

sloppily. But again, not trying to play devil's advocate. No, please do. After reading that Rolling Stones article, which and you can go watch it read, it's a very long article from different people that worked on the set that are, some are anonymous, some are not about just working with a showrunner and how hard it was for them. And through the promotional material, you can kind of piece to do that. like, oh, I think they're having a hard time, and they're just all like, they say, they wanted to stop the show at the fourth season,

and I'm like, you can say that, but you still did only six episodes. You can still do 10 episodes like you did every other season. Which also has been a problem for high-profile shows in their final seasons where, like, the biggest example is Game of Thrones that had a fraction of the episodes in a season, but that was like a giant, like, financial train. Like most networks, things were getting way too expensive,

but it's a weird thing to see when troubled production along with shorter episode counts along with writing that seems to have like at least storytelling that seems to have fallen by the wayside all those things add up to knowing that making shows are hard and making good shows are even harder and I can only

shoot the show so much bail to the people that made it and like I'm not saying that like I don't disgruntle anybody for making the show that they did, I just feel like the precipitous drop-off that came from season one on like the writing's been on the wall for like at least landing with something that's been

decent. What do you think? I think they just found their fan base. Yeah? And I mean, because their fan base is hardcore. Their fan base. And I think that's on making good characters and I'll give them that. I was like that's by making great characters. Claus is awesome. Files is awesome. And like I don't think

like all credits of those great performers, like The entire cast, I think, has a handle on their character through thick and thin of, like, the weirdest scenarios that, like, I think any actors that have had their characters put through these types of scenarios have gone through. Like, it's a radical shift for a lot of characters to go through and then have an actor be like, no, that's still Klaus. No, that's still Victor. That's, like, still all of these great characters that we've known and loved. And, like, I still found that compelling. Yeah. Yeah, there's a level too.

I think, speaking of compelling, I think the most, I mean, this has been the, the, the, what the show does well as a whole is, they put the, they put the family together, they split them apart, then they put them together again. Yeah. And the show was way more interesting when they put them together. Yes. Right.

And it's really weird in this season, because they start apart, obviously. Yep. Then they get together. And then they split apart. And in, like, in 10 episode seasons, right? when they've got a lot, there's a lot going on. It makes more sense to Klaus and five

got to go over here. And Victor and Allison got to go over here. And Diego and Luther have to go over here. Six episodes, gang. Six. Let's try to keep it tight. Yeah.

Keep it time. It feels like the show is finding, like we see a lot of shows that find excuses to bring their characters together. I can't find, think of another show that seems to find excuses to bring them apart.

I mean, I'm not trying to be this person. The Harley Quinn show does this all the time. They're literally like How can I was like They have to break up eventually I don't want them to But how are you guys? They said they won't though

Yeah they said they won't That's what I'm saying They have to Every episode they're gonna fight really big And be like maybe we should take a break And then at the end they're gonna get back together That's how it's gonna go now It's coded to that

I don't think it's a different thing though For Umbrella Academy They do it every season Which again makes sense I'm not saying I don't understand it But again with six episodes again, the show, like, despite how we feel about the season, when they're together, the show's just better.

Yeah. Like, it's just better. That's why I'm watching it. Regardless of even how much I would agree of the quality of the fourth season, it is at its best when everyone's together. Yeah. And then Klaus, for like three episodes, like, all right, guys, I'm going to see ya. Y'all got it.

I'm just be over here. This is why I emphasize that I think it's the situation with the season four writing. I was like, something happened with season four. because Klaus' whole climax story was done last season. Or was a season two where they had the partner. They came like six years or something early. They even met their mom. Like Klaus met his mom in the afterlife of his own.

And it's fabricating a second or sometimes third arc for these characters that I'm just like, we don't. And that's also same with Luther. I was like, we got all of Luther. We saw Luther's sadness. Like first off, I think we all forget like not only Luther's Luther just shoved onto the moon. but he was in love with Allison. And then we got that entire arc of him being like, yeah, I can't be with my sister.

That was a... I didn't forget, but the show did. The show definitely did. And I will not forget what Allison did. I forgot it because I remember when I first watched it. I was like, oh, they're cute together. I was like, it's okay. And then you remember what Allison did?

Yeah. And then I was like, nope. And then I was like, ugh. But, yeah, it was just like, oh, you guys kind of made these people hit their arcs last season. So I don't know how you're going to... I think, and I don't think they have. had to hit like some finale arc of like they all had found peace in each other.

Like in the own thing. I'm like, I don't think you need to do. Klaus was literally not needed at all for the last like three episodes, which was insane. I was like, I don't need to see Klaus trying to like unalive themselves and then be in a coffin. I was like this isn't adding.

I can literally skip. This is like the Winona writer scenes in last season of Stranger Things. I'm like, I can skip this and still know what's going on. And you'll save like 30 minutes. And I'd say, literally 30 minutes. If you cut Klaus from the season, what do you miss? Nothing. Yeah, because the beginning is just like him being afraid, which I love his bits.

And I think that's why they were like, we need to see his bits. We need to see the funny parts. But it wasn't actually as funny as like, I'm not saying pause because I do need to see the next. All right, all right, all right. Relax. I'm feral. But it, I was like, yeah, it was just so interesting. It was, eh.

But I will say, I still liked it overall. because I still had like a really fun time. But I did have those quarrels with it. I think also when you're talking, when you're reviewing things, even when it comes like a restaurant or a grocery store experience, nine times out of ten,

you're going to remember the bad experiences over the good ones. And that's why I'm talking harshly about season four. I mean, here's what I'll say. Yeah, I'm going to talk about the best. I'm going to be nice about it. I thought Aidan Gallagher was acting circles

around everybody. Oh, man. Five. He was killing it. That's why my friend thinks the relationship part with him is okay. I don't look, I mean, here's the thing. As somebody who loves this, you know, emotional, mushy crap, I felt, you know, I felt it.

I was like, ah. When they're, like, it starts one year, two years. I'm like, they're going to. Oh, it was hidden like, at that first, like, six months. Six months, he was like looking at her like, are we going to phone, love? They're going to do it. And they hold off a little bit. It's off to like five years.

Yeah, which makes, it makes complete sense. I feel bad for the writers because I was like, this makes sense. You're trapped in a time. you think you're never going back. We know that there's a window now, but you guys even thought you weren't going back. Y'all don't know that. But me personally, and this,

I'm just a crazy person. I kept being like, that is, even if he went back into his 13 year old body and we're in 2019, he is, or 2025, I was like,

that's a 19 year old body. And I was like, that looks like a baby boy. And I was like, and you are a grown woman. And I was like, I don't want to hear. And that's why I didn't think

they didn't mention the screwing part. It was like a joke more than it was serious. Yeah. I was like, I don't want to imagine that body of that baby. Used to be like mentally like 70 or something. Yeah, he's like 70, which I, and he's, the actor's great. I get the premise. And I also get being trapped in a time at a greenhouse picking bluebird.

The last people that were stuck in a room doing strawberries was last of us. And they were beautiful. It was very inception like also just like, um, what's is Leo's character? Cobb and his wife. Yeah. And I was like, this is sweet. get it. I'm personally like, I was like, I can't pull away from it. I can't pull away from it being a boy body. No, you're right. It's sweet. It's, you know, ultimately like, okay, this is,

this is nice. Then they go back and, you know, they have the conversation with Diego. And again, it's part of the problem with the season where Diego's like, that's, that was my wife. I know you got, like, he doesn't, like, seven years. Like, we know they're there for seven years. But first foremost, Diego shot him, I would understand personally. Because what you know, I don't do is be my brother. and sleep with my wife. That's just not how it's going to go down. I don't care if you were there for a million years.

Have some goddamn respect. But Diego's a gentleman and was like, my wife's in love with you. Wow. And he was cool about it, which like, shout out to Diego, man. Better than me. Diego had a good arc. Diego was like, I'm also kind of an idiot,

but also I recognize that my wife can be in love with two people, but I don't like it. It felt like past lives. He didn't have to like it. Yeah, he didn't have to like it. And I don't think he did like it. I think he was really sad. But that ending,

was just like she finally held his hand and I was like oh I kind of feel like they had like what one and two maybe two and two and a half conversations about it kind of feel like if you went back and if you went and spent seven years my brother fell in love with him we should kind of have like a one on one about that and be like hey

what did that mean to you? You know what I'm saying? What does that mean for us? It's almost like if we had four more episodes. That's maybe if we had well I don't know it's like is it over quick enough or I needed I needed more time. I needed more time I needed so much time because I think they shoved in so much clout at the end because we didn't, we couldn't just stretch it out.

If there was former episodes, he wouldn't have been in one of those episodes at all. He would have still been in like a coffin or something. And I'm like, this is fine. And we're going back to the normal storyline. I also don't think like, I love Gene and Gene. I'm about to say, we didn't even talk about Gene and Gene at all. I love Gene and Gene and Gene. And I actually genuinely wanted more of Gene and Gene.

I wanted Gene and Gene to be the overall. I kind of did not care that it was his wife. playing David Cross. I was like, I want Gene just to be the bad people and let them be the bad ones that start at all. Jeannie Jean. And also the Jennifer incident,

you can say whatever you want. Yeah, I was brought up every season, barely. Who? Barely. Who? Exactly. Netflix and fans are like, they brought it up every season.

And I'm like, they brought up Ben's death, but they've never brought up like Jennifer and, and, uh, what's it, Durango? I was like, they got Dodgers in here?

What's going on? No. I think this is the most heavy conversation we had with the least amount of like side jokes. When I say side jokes, when I say that, I mean like, we're very serious about this. Yeah. This is a show that we. Because at least like with The Witcher, we were genuinely like, this is just bad. It's just bad, but we're having fun.

We're having fun. This one we're like, we wish. This was fun. And now we're not having fun as much. I'm upset. Steve's arms are crossed. He is pouting. He is pouting.

I am crossed. I mean, this happens all the time. This happens all the time. We're talking about an Brad Academy. Like, it's the first time I've ever seen this. Like, at least for me, I mean, killing Eve for sure had this. Crazy-ass girlfriend had this. That's true.

I think personally the good place had this where, and, you know, we talk about strange things. Like, you have that first season, special. Then the following season is the kind of quality. And then by the end, they're like, yo, we got to go. Let's just get out of here, guys. But then there's those shows. But there's still like, I know there's like a million shows that do that. But then there's like that 500 that do so well.

And that's what we just got. Even if you, and when I say so well, they can even be so well in. their reigns, like, in their genre. So, like, Umbrella Academy isn't the boys, but it also isn't the MCU. So, but I'm still like, it exists really well in whatever diagram it is. And I was just hoping it would stay

in a trajectory that goes upwards in that little box that they're in. But it was just like... It just came out of Gatesstrong and then we're... The fourth season is just chaotic. It was, I, uh, I have to like talk about it in a video and I was like, my video's all over the place. Because I... Because the season's all over the place. It's really

hard to stay on track on this. It really is. very hard. And, like, I don't, it's hard explaining, like, the timeline situation because it's like, they're not really reading in the timeline as much as, like, the NCU would. Yeah, yeah. But they're still having fun. I think they just kind of needed a side thing to yell about. It's true.

Well, I mean, to close up on our Umbrella Academy talk, I handpicked a couple of Netflix original shows that we talked about. So these are shows that have made it past or two four seasons. There's a lot. They have ended. No, there actually isn't. Well, the big mouth is at seven, right? Seven, but it's not over. The qualification for these shows, they will have ended,

and they have gotten past season four. Okay, so not Emily and Paris. Not Emily and Paris, because that is still currently going on to Jomey's much chagrin. Jimmy, you are not watching Emily and Paris. He is absolutely watching Emily and Paris. Can I get a quick clear out? Yeah.

I have a couple ops in this life. You know, like any Celtic that's ever existed, ever. You know, people who like pretzels hard. You know, like the snack pretzels? Oh, I guess those aren't a problem. That's a normal snack. I'm a-normal snack. I hate those pretzels.

Completely normal thing. Okay. Emily Cooper is my number one op. Is that Emily? Yeah, I want the Emily from Emily. Send Emily and Perry. I want nothing more than to see her downfall. Is she not a good character?

Is she a mean person on the show? Don't even get me started. Can we do an episode on Emily and Pierce? The show brings her as so nice and so, oh, so dark. And it's like, she's the worst person I've ever met in my entire life, bro. Well, is she the worst on the show or worse just to you? No, to me, to everybody. She showed up to Paris.

She's see a man. She's a man. He got a girl. And instead of being like, yo, let me back up and be respectful about that. She's like, actually, I'm a slide. I'm a sly. She's just like, she goes to France. Don't even like try and learn the language.

How you make the French look good? You know what I'm saying? That's how crazy the show is. My number one op. I watch every time. Emily and Paris coming on TV. It's Netflix. Like, I got nine hours for you.

Let's go. I cannot wait to see Emily Cooper's downfall. I will be there no matter what. So if Emily and Perry does not have a downfall, will you be distraught? Now, she's going to get hers. Her comeuppets is coming. Is she like Homelander on the boys? You're like, I need her.

And he's like, no, he's butch her. She's homeowner. People will watch the show. She's just, you know, she's just a girl in Paris. Why are you so mad? because I'm a hater, that's why. That is, my favorite... Because I'm a D-1 hater.

My favorite part of this that you said was, you go to... She's living in parents, doesn't even try to learn the language. The thing is she does, like, there's actually, like, a whole season where she's, like, in French class,

and she's not even trying. She's bad. It's like, yo, what do you, like, have some decoron. She's on her phone the whole time. What happened to have some pride, man? She's out there messing with that French boy.

It's like, no wonder they hate us out of Europe. Even though she... Oh, my God. If they use Emily as... Paris has our reference for us? That would be sad. She has this beautiful chocolate man who wants Alfie. He just want to love her. He just want to take care of her. He doesn't have a woman. He is single, ready to mingle. And she has to her like, actually, let me go back to the man

who's out there, who's got a girl, who is my friend, by the way. They, they, they, he becomes friends. She becomes friends with her upstairs neighbor, Gabrielle, her, uh, his, his girlfriend. and she still cheat on him with him with the girl. She's out there. She's cheating and she's the cheatee sometimes. Exactly. And we're still like rooting for her.

There's her people. Her people. It's all bad. That's all we can know. It's all bad. All right. So I picked a handful of shows from Netflix that have ended past season four

and I just want to rank this on past fail. Whether or not we think this was good shows, whether or not it ended well. I'm just going to rattle them off. All right. Go for it. House of Cards. I didn't finish that show for a reason.

Yeah. But it started great. Started great. That first season, ooh, was good as hell. The only good thing we got from that season is the Netflix,

do-dum. Like, they got that from... They did. That was like one of the early days of original programming for that. What do you mean the early days? That was the first original thing they did.

No, actually it wasn't. Was it? It was not. It was that one with the mobster that was out in like the... Oh, my God. Maybe you're right. I like, but I guess on a wide spectrum,

most people would probably say it is House of Cards, though, because we're not even remembering in this one. Yeah, but that was its first hit. Yeah. And it was really, really good. Lilyhammer was its first.

Oh, okay. I didn't watch it. Netflix original. Lilyhammer. Yeah. Don't worry. Not that many people did. I never heard.

You could have said any two words I would have believed. Yeah, that's fair. But to be fair, a lot of these other shows that come out on Netflix that we haven't heard of, like, I thought Collidoscope was fake. Lilyhammer. And I was like, this is still. You can probably just type your name on Netflix and find a movie that's called Stephen.

Book of Steve or something like that. Book of Steve. Rose, rose screwdriver. And it's got 19 seasons. The fantastical Mr. Steve. I'd watch that. All right. Here's another one.

Orange is the New Black. Oh, bad. Oh, it ended bad. Started great. It started so good. To be fair, though. It was solid for a long time. It was.

It had too many seasons. That was the problem. They just kept renewing it and they kept saying, yes, we'll keep doing it. We'll put it out. All right. Did you watch Orange's New Black? No.

No. I was in college. I was in college watching that shit like a crazy person. I said, maybe I should go to Maybe I should. Sounds great. Jealousy's like, I called my mom.

I said, Mom, I think I'm going to prison tonight. Listen, if Daya was there, I will be there. Oh, God. The thing about being in prison, though, is it's all a race war inside there. Or at least in Orange's New Black. Let her make it like that. What do you mean by that? What do you mean by that?

What do you mean by that? They split you up in the groups. And if you're a white person, you're automatically with the skin hands, I'm sorry. Is it like a sliding scale? Okay. You got your white until then your bages and then you're... This is just me speaking. out about it. Never been to prison before.

Never I've been to prison, but my mom has. And my mom was like, there was no, like, race situation there. It was more so if you did a horrible crime, people were afraid of you. Okay. But in Orange, but we're talking in the Orange's New Black World, I would love to hang out with the black girls. I'm 100% down for it. Daya might punch me in the fucking mouth. Yes. She got so messy by the end of the season. She was crazy.

It was nuts. All right. Big one. Ozark. I didn't finish Ozark. Never finished O-TOP. I never finished it, but I was addicted to it at one point. Yeah, likewise. I think I started. Controversial ending, by most standards. I started, I think I got like through season one and two,

and then my graduate program started up, and I lost. I think that's how it was for me. It was like something else just came up in my life, and I had to, like, I couldn't pay attention as closely to it. Jason Babin's my man, though. Hey, he's great. I do not like Jason Bayman. You don't like Jason Bayman?

You don't like Jason Bayman? You're probably going to tell us some, like, very problematic reason or something? No, no, no, no. He's just, like, did you? Do you watch his podcast? Do you listen to his podcast? With Will Arnett and Sean Haynes? Yeah, no.

Oh, yeah, I listen to the podcast. Yeah, but then I also watch the HBO show of them following. And Jason Bainman is an almond mom and the worst. He is the worst. And he is exactly whatever. Yeah, no, no, I was like, not the worst thing, ideal, but. No, I said he plays his actual self in the show and that and I hate every character he's ever played. I got you.

I got you. That's why. Nothing wrong with him. Just like, if it's the rest of development, I do not want to hang out with that, and Bateman. All right, here's one that actually took me my surprise. Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. Oh!

Great. Great. It ended great. It ended great. I love walking through the fair at the end, and it says the end. The end. I think it works because it was always chaotic. It was always fucking insane.

It was so insane from the beginning that it's allowed to be insane. Here's the thing. I was never 100% in on Kimmy Schmidt. How dare you? It was just no, because I'm like, it was because I was fresh off 30 Rock. And I'm like, I feel like this, I just, there was too much of a 30 rock flavor that it was There you. I know.

I love 30 Rock 2 and I loved Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. A breakable Kimmy Schmidt. I watched college again. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was one of those shows, man, where my brain was turned all the way off. Yeah.

It was so every line Titus said, period. Sure, sure, sure. Like, it was. We all love Titus. I know, but it was just every line of the doll hairs, of the Pino noir improv of everything. Caviar, a bottle of a doll. Yeah.

A hundred bugs. Do you say bugs? Run, Lily. And like, it was. And I think that's And maybe that's the recipe for it Is that if that, because the show started on 100 Like crazy

On craziness ends on 100 It doesn't need to make sense Because it started with a mole woman Okay All right, so we got two big ones now Narcos I mean it gave us Pedro Narcos was really good

I like the ending of Narcos Because it also ends the way it should end It's just like they all He gets It's all bad These ones get killed These ones get put in prison And it just did the full scale

I love Narcos Did you watch Narcos? I watched Narcos go. Oh, it's good. I've watched OG Narcos. Yeah. They're both great.

I love both of them. All right. The crown. Nah, I'm under death for the crown. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yes.

But also very much no. Yeah. Well, the thing is, the ending is the better, I love the Princess Diana season. And that's towards the end, technically. This will, is the season three? The Elizabeth, the Vicki one or the other first one? Emma. Dars.

No. No. Kryn. No. Kryn. No. Karen. No.

Kryn. Emma Corinne. Emma Karen. Yeah. Emma Corinne season. when it's just them and she is the woman I want. Commodore is who I want.

Don't bring the boys into this. Don't bring the boys into this. We all know it. What about the woman? Remember? The meme currency. I couldn't even get it out. It's so funny.

It's really funny. I love that season. That season was really good, I think. But that's towards the end because that's the Margaret Thatcher season too. And you're true. What's her name? Plays Margaret Thatcher.

Amazing. scene. But that's just me. I did watch The Crown. I thought the beginning was boring as hell. I enjoyed the early scenes of the crown, but I will say that it ended stronger than it began. Yes, there it is. Camillo's who I want.

Camillo's a word. Can we look at the monologue and then recite it at the end? I pull that up, Brian. I pulled that TikTok a word. It's after that where he's like, I refuse to be attached to those grossness alliance. I need Jomey to memorize his monologue and autos when he's yelling at Amen. Hell yeah.

Oh, man. That's acting right there. He said, Jesus. My grandson is a fool. All right, last two. Oh, man. I'm going to start.

You know, no, I'm going to go out. I'm going to start with the good one. Chilling Adventures of Sabrina. I loved that show. No, the ending was so, come on. Come on. It ended bad. And once they got to the point where I was like,

okay, so this 13-year-old can undo one billion years of which, go big or go home. And honestly, actually, maybe I changed my mind. After you said that, that is true. And they were going big from the beginning. Yes, they were. They were going big from the jump. Which I kind of, I kind of dig it.

It was like, it was heightened Riverdale shit. Yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm agreeing with you. Maybe it did end on a good note because it did start it 100. But the thing, I could, and it's, it's the way that it started that I was like, okay, we're not taking this too serious. Yeah, we're not taking this serious. That's true. That's true.

And also introduces to Jasmine Sinclair and I'm obsessed with her. Hell yeah. She's great. She's amazing. That's forgetting one important show. And that is? Carmen San Diego. Oh, well, oh, my bad.

Four seasons, guys. Damn. Carmen San Diego got four seasons? Got four seasons? No way. Actually, here's the best way I can describe Carmen San Diego. This is no BS. This is real life, actual what it kind of is.

Diet killing Eve. Interesting. I'm not even joking. So, Carmen San Diego. Like babies first killing Eve? Basically, right? Because there's like this other. Acme agent and they're like, they do like the little florid stuff and you're like, hmm, what's

happening here? What's going on here? Wow, four seasons too. I told you. And even, and even there's an interactive thing. And if you get the good ending, you send her flowers. An interactive special? Yeah, an indirect special.

The good ending, you get her flowers. And I'm like, I've seen this movie before. That's a killing game. Wow. You cannot fool me. To be fair, at this point in television, a lot of things are slightly other things. That's just, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

All right. And now I have to bring this show up because this is the last one, and this is the only other show that has ended a Netflix and gotten four seasons plus 13 reasons why. Oh, no. Four seasons? Yeah. They did not get 13 reasons.

It ended with four seasons. No, I didn't get that show for it. You lie. You lie. Yeah, that's true. Jesus, H. Christ. No. I think that's probably one of the most, like, precipitous and, like, cynical

drop-offs for a show that I might have ever seen in my life. Did you guys watch that at all? I did. I watched the first season and I hated it and anybody that stuck with it is like, I follow the TikTok account that was like it charts like the IMDB ratings for each episode in like a graph like a chart and it's like

green is like in the eights and nine rankings and then like yellow is sevens and et cetera, et cetera. That entire fourth season is like purple. Threes and fours. It makes sense. It was there's, I'm not trying to be this person but there's some books that should never be made into movies or TV shows.

And that is one of them. Because I remember reading the book a long time ago. And then when they were making it into a series, I was like, oh, this is crazy. How are they going to do this? And they did it. Poorly is the answer. Yeah, they did it horribly. It also was just not a good time.

I'm not trying to be this person also again, but like they got rid of Heather's on Paramount. Paramount was about to drop Heather's the TV show. And then everything started happening in schools. And they were like, you know what, maybe we should put this on. Maybe we should not play with this kind of fire. I have a Heather's take, but I think we should save it. On the movie? No, no, no, just like in general.

I love Heather's the movie. The Heather's the movie is a macadale. And my friend is in Heather's the TV show. I saw, so shout out to Nicole, Nicole Hernandez. I was in college and she put the soundtrack on in the car where we were doing a, so we were driving the improv. It's a whole thing. We don't have to get into it. But that's the homie.

And so I was like, man, Tethers, man, music's tight, man. I'm going to watch the movie. you didn't like the movie it's camp as now come on I want I want mess You gotta understand man Here's thing I don't hate it

But it's it's campy Which I hear but it's dark Yeah it's dark It's dark Which like I'm listed The musicals I'm like hey You know the musicals got super happy But they do the whole yeah

So I'm like okay The musical's pretty dark still too Still I mean I just listen to the music Oh yeah You know, like, I can, I'm like, oh, man, I can see why you would think it's fun. But, like, without the music, I'm like, hey, man, it's 11 o'clock. I would like to go to sleep tonight. You know what I mean?

They're like, no, we're going to blow up this school. We're going to blow up to school. I'm like, hey, bro, cheerio. Yeah, making it into a modern TV show for today is the scariest idea because it's also, like, they made these kids reflect, like, modern day students, and then they're all getting murdered. Of a time. We'll say. I do.

I mean, you have to, you have to, don't cut it. You got to bleep this, right? One of my, if I ever, if they just like, production company is like, here's a trillion dollars, go make whatever you want. That's been done. And I love those storylines. I love those stories. And that would have been great. Yeah.

So Kerm just bleep that studios, though, if y'all want to, y'all want to hit my line, I got a crazy idea for you. Just shoot me a text, man. We're going to do, I got to bleep this again. We're going to do a big. Big fun. You made a one-er- It's the one song. Isn't that can't hardly wait?

That is like, can't hardly wait. Can't-Hardly wait. No, no, but it's just that one, like, it's just big fun, that one song. But it's a one, it's a oneer in a house. Okay. It's going to be great.

Hey, he's got ideas. Again, Kurt blamed that out, but you want to know. No free ideas. No free ideas. Kerm is not listening. Kerm said, I'm not listening. Hit my line. That's our wrap up on an umbrella academy.

But now let's go to a show that we hope gets, four seasons plus. At least me. Tales of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Streaming now on Paramount Plus. We got to see the first six episodes a little early. And now we're going to get our first impressions about... Are there more than six?

Oh, there's 12. Okay. The entire season... The six episode ended on like, oh, okay, so it's done. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. We got a lot more, and the entire season's streaming on Paramount Plus now. This is an animated adaptation starring the original cast of Mutant Mayhem.

and they're back on Paramount Plus in an animated form to just tell some casual stories. I think from Leonardo's brain as he writes his own comic book and tells the story. It kind of happens. Well, it would be said at the end, officially, if it actually did happen.

It did happen. They were all there, yeah. But I didn't know if he was just drawing like a fictional story. Here's the thing. I feel like if he was writing a fictional story, he would have looked a lot cooler to April. That's true. And they'd have fallen in love.

That's true. That's true. But taking away from all of that, I love this show. I don't think there's been a better, like, first impression of a show that's a spin-off to a movie ever, because I think it literally lifts all of the charm and vibes and goodwill that it had from its great movie, mutant mayhem, onto a show that matches the energy perfectly, question mark. Jessica Clemens, do you agree? I think so, too.

I think it did really well for what it could do. When I say could do, it felt like in the movie they had a lot more punchier jokes than here. Sure. It also feels like this is more, I will say, cater to children. This is, the movie felt like it could be like adventure time or the regular show. It could be for any age. This is like, oh, yeah, this is for like cartoon network midday for my son when he's sick. I really liked it.

It was really fun. I think the only like sad part I have about it is that unfortunately, and no shame, no hey, it's on Paramount. And not, I don't even have Paramount. I don't think a lot of people do. Yeah. That's tough. Harder to access.

I was like, if it was on Amazon, it would do great. I think, it sucks. That's the only, that was my only thing. Because I was like, Nickelodeon's with Paramount. So, and it's a Nickelodeon. Is it because you're like, I can't sell anybody Paramount Plus just for this one show alone? No, yeah, not at all. As good as it is.

Not at all. Guys don't like Star Trek? No, it's not like, oh. Jomey? Oh, oh. I feel like the Venn diagram between my friends that like Star Trek and Teenage Mutja Turtles, there's nothing in the middle. It's two different circles. There are two different circles.

There are two planets far apart from each other. No, I can't. And that's the thing. It's not like severance. It's not like, because I bought Apple Plus because enough of people were like, you need to go watch Severance. I would get HBO because enough people were like, Last of Us, House of the Dragon, these shows. But like Paramount, I'm like, there's this really good cartoon show that's really great. What else is on it?

You can watch, maybe I think Rupal Drag Race? Can I pitch you on something, Jess? How do you feel about Champions League football? Who? Who's that? So here's you, Ninja Turtles. What's a champion? I liked it.

I thought it was a lot of fun. I think it brings the ethos of the movie to the show. Yes. And I really love because, you know, the first six, we got the first six episodes, and you start off with, They're supposed to go to a party or whatever. And then they split up the turtles. And the turtle's supposed to find the way back to their brothers.

Their entire thing is like, I got to get back to my guys. Right. And I loved, I loved, I loved how, like, for example, Mikey or sorry, Donnie had to use some of Raf's energy to get out of his situation. Yes. And then Raph had to use Mikey's energy to get out of the situation. They, you know, they didn't realize how much they realized. allowed in each other to be successful.

Yes. And I love that through line in the show in the show because that's what it means, man. It means like teenage brothers trying to learn how to be together. I thought that was amazing. The jokes, some of the bits were freaking hilarious. I love Donnie's episode. The video game little thing. Like, it was just, it was a blast to watch.

I know that this isn't exactly a one-for-one comparison, but I kept getting reminded of Scott Pilgrim. Yeah, same. Really? Same. Yes. The movie? No, no, the series. The series.

Mainly it's because it will focus on one singular character and their perspective, and the animation and art style is reflected through their personality. You don't only get their bias in the story. You get their own sort of like flavor of how they see the world. Raff's episode is like heavy shadows, dark colors, aggressive, and perfectly indicative of his personality. Leo, a bit more hopeful, Mikey, like, grimy and fun. And I really like these first six episodes because it has its own way of, like, again,

we talk about like separating these characters, but it's to their benefit because they're all working towards something and we know that they come together in our like our sixth preview episode. We have a lot of great dynamics from all of these characters that even in isolation work. Because, like, you see Leo and April having their own adventure. You see Mikey and what's his name of rich guy where he wants to be. Pete Davidson? Pete Davidson. His name is Rod.

Pete Davidson and pigeon Pete. Pigeon Pete is my favorite character. Pigeon Pete is my favorite character. Just, wow. Yeah, they're like, why did you mutate him? And how annoying what's it, B. Davidson's character got. And he's just like, I'm no longer doing this for you. I'm doing this for Pige and Pete now.

I love Pigeon Pete. I loved, as soon as they showed off Pidgette, I was like this. You guys, fun little lore, Metalhead is like actual character that is just in Teenish Mutteredtles. The lore of Teenage Ninja Turtles on a Rokes Gallery front is very weird. I mean, it's a deeper roster than you would think. Yeah, and you'd really just only kind of really think Shredder and Bebopper Rocksteady and that's it, but no, we got a lot.

I think it's also because they, I love the fandom of Teenage Mutage Mutuals, because I think they do, like, not allow it, but they acknowledge there's so many versions of them. Yes. And they're like, there's the games, there's the old cartoon, there's also the Michael Bay ones. We don't really talk about, but we do talk about the Nickelodeon one,

because Nickelodeon had the other one. You have the O3, you got 2012, then you got like the rise. And frankly, I think their batting average on the whole is pretty good. I think it's great. I need more people to be watching this one. Yes. I need, because I would like this version to stick for a while.

This is the one we should have. Yes. This is also, I'm sorry, these are even more than the old ones, like, this is the most teenagey. And I'm like, this is almost tween agey. And that's exactly what we said when we watched Mutant Mayhem and we're like, this is why this works.

I love Mutant Mayhemian. These kids work together. I, um, yeah, and I cannot echo it enough. If you have Paramount, please go watch it. It is only 20 minutes, 30 minutes. Not even. Yeah. I was like short episodes, definitely cartoony as hell,

but it's also like, in adulthood, you need those shows to like, just zone out, to do laundry to, like, laugh a little bit on the side. It's such a good show. I need people to watch it because I need it to get a second season. Yeah, no, it's definitely worth your time. And if you're able to see it, please by all means do so. I think that's really, like, all we would need to say because it's just delightful.

It's one of those shows that's like, again, good enough to be like, just watch it. Because if you like Mutant Mayhem, guess what? It's more or less one for one. But then that's the thing. I'm like, I realized, I was looking, when I was, after we saw Mutant Maham, I was, like, looking into, like, a bunch of people, not a lot of people were talking about it. I was like, I don't think it was, which is so heartbreaking to me. It pissed me on.

The first person that was my friend, I'm not going to say the name. The first friend I had that was like, that, the movie just got away with having weird, an old 90s Nickelodeon animation, and that's it. It wasn't anything else. It was ugly, but, I was like, you're out of your, I was like, you're out of your mind. Blocked reported. I was like, you're high and not in a good way. And not in a good way.

movie that says big booty boy races and it's rated PG you got my vote it was so good and the show also I love we needed to go back to and maybe this is too nepotism for me to say I love when we give money to make shows for people that are

comedians and they just bring their friends on because I was like oh I can hear every friend I can hear write Davidson and it works for this character I'm like it's in your guys's budget it's in your time you can get it you can make a lot of episodes off these people from SNL these people from Funny or Die.

I'm like, just keep going. I'm like, it's so easy. But the A number one culprit of that is Seth Rogen and company. Yeah, and that's the thing. I'm like, Seth Rogen doesn't, I don't think Seth Rogen really, and maybe I'm speaking too highly, doesn't care how it kind of does

because him and Evan Lambert are still attached to the boys. And the boys is making bank right now. So they're just like, yeah, if it works, it works. And I'm like, no, I need you guys to be talking about it more. Talk about it more than you do about the boys. But that's actually hard because, like, I don't know what Seth Rogen's like, what the actual passion,

project is. I hope it's this. Because it feels like as well as as Meantam did it and as well as Tales of the TMNT could do, like I could easily say that like he loves these things. It seemed like from behind the scenes he was like more interactive with like the voiceover and all that

stuff. Testing and like just putting the room together and then letting those people go. But from the boys it's just like we give you money we kind of look over the script again. Eric Kripki, you go do the thing. That's what it feels like. So they got Rose Byrne for episode

episode six. Yeah, I heard her. I also love, I was happy that Pigeon Pete is involved. Because they were like, yeah, he's a part of the gang. And I was like, if they somehow make another movie and it follows the show, I'm like, Pigeon Pee will be in it. Pigeon Pee will be in it.

And they could do that. I mean, that's what, and Paramount's so wild with their money and what they're doing. I don't understand what they're doing, but I'm like. Not that wild. Yeah, they're not that wild. It's like, they get all that star truck stuff out of there. Yeah. Oh, yeah, they are.

But when they were like, when they put on knuckles and they're like, yeah, movies coming after this. And I was like, oh, so this is just like a limited little series for us to get ready for the movie. So I could see them kind of doing that for the tales of Teenage Mutual Ninja Turtles. They could be like, we're going to make a second movie. It's just in between it. Here's this little 12-part series. And it's delightful. I can't recommend it highly enough. I think it's a wonderful treat for anybody that has Paramount Plus and

is definitely worth your time. It feels like Cartoon Network. It feels like Ben Ten. It feels like it's just, it's so sweet. I just, I need four boys. I need four sons. They all need to be turtles. Ben 10? Well, when I say Ben 10, I mean, it's like, if, again, Ben 10 came on at like noon when I was in third grade, and this is also the show that would come on it right after it in between Courage of Cowardly Dog. Okay. Oh, Curse of Cowherly Dog.

And I'm like, it literally would be like Ben 10, Courage to Cowrly Dog, the Tales of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and then it would go to Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends. If you like that vibe of Cartoon Network, this show was perfect for you. That's how I know y'all was rich, man. Y'all was having cable as kids, man. I didn't have cable until I was 13. Okay, I'm about to stand up and rip this microphone out. Because I grew up with a fucking antenna, Channel 13 WB Kids.

And I had to make sure that shit worked so I could watch weeks. You were watching Freak of You, Freak of Me. Let me say so. Freakazzoid. Kids W, man. Kids WB, ABC Kids, man. They changed my life. We trade that broke nigga life.

Like that's where I watched, like, Batman, Teen Titans. Yeah. That's where my nerd started. That's where my nerd. Like I was watching the, there was a. Kirby show. There was... Kirby, Sonic X.

Yeah, I was like, that's where I started watching all these things. And then I wanted to get their video games. And that's where you're kind of like... Do you got any Picking the brainheads in here?

I love Peking. I watch Animaniacs, Showland Showdown. Uh, what's... Jackie Chan Adventures. Jackie Chan Adventures. Oh, God. I miss this so much.

I was in a room. I was on, um, actually, recently. And, uh, not in a flex, the people are a little bit older than us. And so their version of these things are the ones that came out in, like, 89 or like 88.

And I did not know a single show they were talking about. And I'm like, I knew Jomi and Steve. Because they talk about the shows I remember because we're all the same age. I mean, I got to Ben 10, like, again, when I got cable and I was like 12. So, like, it was kind of a little late.

Like, not, actually, not really, because the show started like 2005. So I was like two years or like three years off the beat. Interesting. So wait, if I run this down for you real quick, because like some of these are past my time. Like the Zeta Project? No, you're...

That sounds familiar. Codeon Kids Next Door, I know that. Hell yeah, baby. Of course. Static Shock, of course. Teen Titans, yes. Tiny Tune Adventures, yes. Yes. X-Men Evolution, yes. Yes. Johnny Test?

Yes, I watched Johnny Tess. I love Johnny Tess. Johnny Tess is a genuinely good. It's very fun. Johnny Tess is funny. Johnny Tess should have been on Disney Channel because it was around the same time as like all those family, cartoon, funny,

wacky shows that Disney Channel was doing. You said something that I was like, Oh, was it being 12 during the time? I was like 2005, you were 12 watching this? No, no, no. I wasn't 12. But that 10 started 2005, I'm pretty sure. What I was going to say was, this is so old.

I don't think apartments do this anymore. You know when they, like, apartments include, like, sometimes they'll be like, oh, we include the water, sewage, whatever. Yeah, yeah. My apartment growing up, where it's like, you can have free cable if you come here. What? And my mom took that apartment quick. Because of the day.

Because she needed a proper kids in front of the TV. That too. But that too. My mom is the greatest mom in the world. I will say that before what I'm about to say. We moved apartments and she could, the cable didn't move over yet. So she stayed in the old apartment for one more night while me and my brother stayed in the new apartment by ourselves. So she could finish the shield.

That's what she said. She had to finish the shield. Wow. Michael Chickles head. She was locked in. And I was like, and me and my brother didn't think twice of it. We were like, yeah, she really needs to finish the shield. She really likes that show.

I understand. It's Michael Chickles. Michael Jiglis. And Walton Gaggans? I forget Walting Gaggans. Yeah, baby Walton Gagins was in that. Walton Gaggans was in the Shield. Also, you shouldn't have been watching the Shield.

How old were you? I was not watching the Shield. Okay, good. I was like, you're way too young for the Shield. I mean, you could go back and watch the Shield. That's fine, yeah. You know, CCH Founder was in the Shield. What a crazy name.

Oh my God, CCH Pounder was in the... I need to look at... Okay, we'll do this later. I'm going to look at that cast. Well... Tales of Team. Teenage Ninja Turtles. Great show.

Check it out. If you like, if you loved it, look, you go there, you get some Star Trek, you go to, you know, some Champions League football,

might as well, you know, tap into some teenage, teenage turtles. If you have it, there's no reason why you shouldn't be watched. Absolutely.

If you're listening to this and you have Paramount, you should be watching it. Don't watch Halo. And don't watch Halo. Don't watch Halo. Don't watch Halo of that. They'll just delete that shit.

I mean at this point. Honestly, I kind of want it white from my memory. I want my money back. You watched. Did you watch season two? Oh, you said, oh, you guys did. No, no, no, no, we isn't the bringer.

I'm about to say we. Yeah, we did. We? And the thing that's like... You're playing Nintendo? What's going on? I love... All my favorite fandoms that I actually genuinely played, like, Halo.

I was like, oh, I know this back to four. Like, I played every Halo game. And then when they were like, we're making a show, I was like, oh, can't wait to talk about this. I know everything. Bad show. The Witcher. I said, ooh, I got this down a lot. Well, bad show.

I keep, and I'm like, this, even I love this book series. called A Good Girl's Guide to Murder, just dropped on Netflix. No one's watching it. And I'm like, I'm never going to get a series for myself. Nothing for me. Nothing for me.

Static Shock hasn't showed up. Winks Club ain't showing back up. Like, all these things I know so much about. Man, I don't know what I was doing. But I was up late night working when I shouldn't have been. I don't know what I was doing.

I don't know what project I was working on, but it was like 2, 3 a.m. And I was just like grinding tape. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to throw off totally spot. Oh, totally Spice is wild as hell Totally Spice is wild as hell But man

That I used to I used to watch that Man that was what was on the TV It's so fun I miss those shows I miss being poor Being poor makes to feed me man Yeah that's me

Actually no I'm still poor Hold on Yeah I'm not as poor as I was though That's what I mean to say I'm not as poor as I was You don't know me fiddling with that antenna It was very hard to do when I was We got merged to buy all right

What's wrong with this? I'm still poor but there was a time where I was poor. And, man, those shows, man, used to change my life. That was just good, good television. Hulu changed. We don't got time to get. Hulu changed my life.

That was when I started watching Ben 10 Castle. Oh, yeah. Because it was free back then. You didn't need, like, a script for anything. You could just, like, go to Hulu.com, and you would, like, I watched, like, all the castle. Ages. Watch all of Ben 10. Like, that was, that was it.

That, like, opened my brain. And then we got cable, and it was like, oh, cool. I could just, like, watch this. Man. The memory of old streaming. That was made with Netflix. I remember when I would get those DVDs. I was like, you know what?

The last DVD I got was E. Pray, Love. All right, we're out of here. We're out of here. Don't E Prey Love Me, bro. Don't you eat pray, love me? And you'll be happy to watch that movie because she learned Italian when she left.

I'm just saying, because Emily and Perry is. She didn't Emily and Peri that. Yeah, she didn't Emily and Perry that. She learned Italian immediately. Emily? Emperi. She was ordering food. Everyone was like, wow, you've only been here for like a year.

She was like, I learned. Only. Shut the fuck up. All right, that's going to do it for us here on Mint's edition. Thank you so much for the wonderful Jessica Clemens for joining us once again. Thank you to our wonderful producer, Kerma. Don't forget, on Monday, ButtonMash is going to dive into Borderlands. That's fun. Sounds like a good time.

It's going to be a great time. No, thank you. Also on Monday, House of Arr is going to be diving into Deadpool and Wolverine with our patented deep dive. No midnight boys this week, but we'll be back soon. Thank you so much again, everybody. Jomi, any parting words for the people? You know, I got a shout out, you know, Jess, thank you for coming. Coming out here.

Kerm, as always, our intrepid producer. Emma, Emma Kerman, we like to call him. Emma Kerman, Minna? Emma Kerman? No, it's, I mean. Emma Kieran, but it's Emma Kerman. Yeah, there we go. And, hey, Junior Mintz, you know, we love you guys.

We'll see you again real, real soon. Just want to leave you with some parting words. Come to lose who I want. That is where my lord is. lie. That is who my priority is. Not the mother of your children. Don't bring the boys into this. All right? Not the woman you married. I refuse.

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