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Episode Date: March 25, 2026

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If you support the pod, how many followers do we need to get to where we might give them a little invisible up? Like, shout it out. Man, let's get to 15K. If we can get the 15K, we'll give them a little invisible love. All right, come on. There was an invisible trailer that came out. The whole season's out. The whole season's out.

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It didn't fall off. Okay, so listen, it didn't fall off necessarily from a quality standpoint. Right. But in terms of the relevance and the anticipation of the show, it's just not the same anymore. But I like watching Invisible.

Yeah. Yeah, it's like watching Invisible. I think that's fair, especially the break. It's a Dune trailer and Spider-Man. Why are you asking for Invisible? Because they like it. People like it. Yeah.

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Now, we see this movie, I think. Monday. Monday. We see this movie Monday. And then Wednesday, we're back. I'm very excited about this. I'm so bummed that I'm going to have to miss it. You're out of here?

I'm out of here. I'm on vacation. Where are you heading? Ireland. Ireland. Yeah. Okay. Who is fourth chair?

Then? What chair? Who should we bring in? We need a white boy. A white boy. We need a white boy for this. Should we bring in? CR.

CR doesn't do cartoons. Sirry R does not do cartoons. Who at the ringer could we bring in? Rob Mahoney. Rob Mahoney. Good posture. We should see if we can get Robb to come in and sit right there straight up. Do you think people would like notice right away or they'd be like, oh, like, how about this?

Don't say, just say it's me. We should just call him Steve the whole time. Well, it's the ringer. So Rob's a big deal here at the ringer. That has nothing to do with that. Like some of our black listeners, it might be like... That doesn't look like our normal white.

Steve looks a little different. Steve's going on. A little different right there. On today's show, though, the Midnight Boys are giving their instant reactions. First episode of Daredevil Born Again season two. Yep. Now, if you guys do not remember the story here,

Daredevil was a sensation over on Netflix. Mm-hmm. Okay? Netflix had a whole Marvel cinematic television universe cinema, a television, not cinema of their own. There was Daredevil, Jessica Jones,

the Loucage, Iron Fist, The Defender Show. The Punisher? The Punisher as well. Things kind of changed over business-wise at Disney with Disney Plus coming in and they took those shows off of Netflix. We thought that those shows and characters were gone forever.

It turns out that they are not. Jessica Jones is back. Daredevil is back, and John Bernthal, as the Punisher, is also back. Daredevil, Born Again, Season 1 was last year. Somebody explained to the people, before we get into season 2, somebody that might be a new Midnight Boys listener, exactly what all the hubbub and confusion was about a Daredevil born again season 1, John.

Originally, when the show was kind of announced to us, it was a different flavor, and the best way I can describe that flavor, if you watch She-Hulk, It was supposed, when Daredevil showed up on that, I think they were kind of pitching us a lighter version of Matt Murdoch. Originally that show, I believe, was going to be over 20 episodes and was going to be more in the procedural lane, like a law and order or a villain of the week. Matt in the new, in his new law firm. That show, it seems like, did not work. I think even some of the cast, like Vincent DiNafrio even had come out and just was not satisfied with. it. And I think one of the reasons that a lot of people weren't satisfied with it was from a

continuity standpoint, basically they got an all new cast. Like Foggy wasn't supposed to be in it. I don't think Karen was supposed to be in it that much. They kind of retooled the whole thing. And I believe, and y'all can correct me if I'm wrong, they basically split the seasons in two or kind of this second season. They kind of remade it whole cloth while the first season of born again. I think with some additional shooting, they kind of cobbled together something that seems more spiritually connected to the Netflix version. If I recall correctly, they had like film like four episodes. Yeah. Then the people went and watched and it's like that's not,

that's not cutting it. We have to go back, rehire new writers, new showrunners, the whole thing. Basically, like you said, start from scratch. I'm sure they used, I know they used some of the footage. They used a lot of the footage that they had already shot in the first season. And I think this eight episodes are like for the first time again the whole new direction of Daredevil. Right. So the promise of this show is that this is supposed to be the version of Daredevil Born Again that has gone through the entire incubator

at Disney, been looked at by the people, kind of almost engaged with the fans, and is now a true and inspired version of the storytelling that the creatives and the actors and actors want it. This is supposed to be what we're getting. So this is not what I would call a high leverage pilot insofar as this is a character that everyone can't live without. But it is a high leverage pilot insofar as this is supposed to be what they wanted.

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You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Now, we talked a little bit about the history of the show, but Chuck is going to give you what happened in the show in the Midnight Manifest. Chuck, take it away. All right, this is Daredevil Born Again, season two directed by Aaron Moorhead and Justin Benson,

written by Dario Scaripane. Daredevil intercepts a cargo show. ship smuggling weapons for Fisk. Following orders, the captains of the boat sink the vessel once Dairy Devils starts cracking heads. This starts off a race between Team Murdoch and Team Fist to see who can get to the missing captains. Unfortunately, the rise of Fisk and his anti-vigilante task force has pushed Karen and Matt into the shadows while partners like McDuffie and Cherry fight fight. A mysterious figure named Mr. Charles is sent to Fist by Valentina to help the mayor clean up his gun smuggling mess, but Wilson and Vanessa are suspicious of this abrasive man.

Meanwhile, Cherry's ambushed at his apartment by the Visionlante Task Force who are looking for the second missing cargo ship pilot after they killed the first. Daredevil saves Cherry but has a moment of PTSD when he can sense that the old officer is about to have a heart attack. The task force members take off Daredevil's mask and almost kill him, but our devil is saved by another. As Bullseye uses a sniper rifle to kill the officers, and that has been your midnight manifest for the first episode of Daredevil Born Again, season two. I'm going to throw back to you, Van. Where do we even want to start with this, new season. How did you feel

about it? Yeah, let's just get into it. In terms of this pilot, I wish I'd have liked it more. I wish I liked the pilot more. I don't know if it's just me. I found this really hard to follow. I found the

drama here and the story here disjointed in a way. It was both for me. Now, I will say as the pilot went on, it got better. But it was both to me totally a little

disjoint it, but also from a story standpoint disjoint it to where I think there were so much that it was trying to do that it didn't do anything in my opinion really, really well. So if we even

just start with the beginning, to your point, I was a little confused even by how it was being cut and maybe it was because I started watching it late, was like, I'm getting too confused, let me watch this fresh in the morning. And it's the scene where Daredevil is on the cargo ship. He's beating everyone up.

These captains are like, all right, we were given orders that if he shows up to basically blow up the ship. And there's just kind of this harsh cut where the ship starts sinking. Matt falls into the water. And I'm like, wait, what the fuck is that? What the fuck is happening? I watched that scene back, no bullshit. I watched that scene back five or six times.

Because, number one, we go from just, even from a time standpoint, it would take a boat a little while to capsize in that way. Right. So we go legitimately from them making that decision. Think about Titanic. Think about how long it actually took. Yeah, but that was on an accident.

They did it on purpose. Okay. Whatever, though. So, but what I'm saying is we go from them making that decision to a cut right with the water coming up and stuff like that. And I, and then right from that, Matt's on the beach. Right. and the boat's in the background,

and the boat hasn't quite sank, and I guess it's probably maybe it's too big, and maybe the boat's touching the bottom, wherever the hell's going on. All of the, I had to watch it a couple times to, like, understand what was going on.

Why did he throw the watch in the... So he can come back and get it later. He could... That's my thought, but it was a little bit like, okay. Well, I... But there's also a massive ship so everybody could see it.

I enjoyed that part because it does that thing, like an IMAX where it expands the screen and then it contracts when you find out like he's listening for the watch. Guys, you know,

we talk, we argue about like superpower, which he's got the super hearing. He throws the ticking watch into the thing so he can come back and get it later.

I understood that. But to Vance point, there was a level of almost like the kind of forget about the ship by like as the story progresses, it's like I saw that moment. I was like,

oh, he's going to go back for the guns. But then you start adding other stuff on top of it where it's like, okay, we have Heather now. she's in the pocket of fist. So you have that little.

And then you're like, okay, who's this Mr. Charles character? So you have this. And I was, part of me was wondering how much was on the cutting room floor. Was this? It feels like, to be honest with you, another Franken signed episode of Daredevil Born Again. There were times in the first season where you could tell that some of these episodes were Frankenstein together. this one kind of feels that way because in a lot of these scenes

there's not a lot of continuity right? The BB stuff for me is still not working. It's not working. The BB stuff is still not working. There's an intensity and we can't help but do this. I don't want to spend a lot of time doing this. I'm not going to spend a lot of time doing this.

There's an intensity and almost a clarity about the first show. show that existed that is completely devoid from this show. First show meaning the first season of this? No, no, no, no, no. The first iteration of it. Right, Netflix. Netflix iteration. There's a, uh, that show was so sure of itself. Even when narratively, things happened there, they got away on characters that we didn't care as much about. Right. They took some side missions and all of that stuff. Like, even when that

was happening in the show, the show just knew what it was doing and knew what it was to a degree that this one doesn't in any way. This show doesn't know if it's a daytime show. It doesn't know if it's a nighttime show. Sometimes it's a show. Like it just, there's a part where, where Karen, I guess, is getting information from a source inside of a supermarket

or something like that, a bodega, and they leave the file there. She takes the file. She's in a wig. That looks ridiculous. Well, she's undercover. I know, but like it just. She's also wanted. I know that they're wanted

I know that they're undercover But just the the tension of doing that Of going to get that It just doesn't feel like it means any time To me it feels like Instead of this being a season two It's like season like season one part B Like 1.5 yeah

Like you would come back Like the first season would end in December And then you come back You know middle January Beginning February let's go Yeah It doesn't really feel like a brand new Like we're starting

with a whole new plot we're moving forward. It just seems like continuation, which I mean like obviously, season one, season two. But for whatever reason, it doesn't seem, to your point, it's not cohesive. It doesn't feel like we're just flowing right in

to the next season. It feels like we skip some steps. It doesn't really feel like it skips some steps. It really does feel like that this is actually the same part of another season. Like, it actually, I accidentally, not accidentally, but like, I just thought of like, okay, as a refresher, like,

I'll spin back the finale of, the last season. And I did not think that it would be a near moment for moment, like, continuation of everybody's story immediately after the fact. Like, we still have Fisk, doing his martial law stuff. We have his, uh, you know, stormtrooper force that's just cracking down on people in their restaurants and like overt ice parallels that are more and more present now. I was kind of confused as to really where we find Matt in all of this. I was hoping that we'd get him actually worrying about the city a bit more, like a bit more of an existential crisis,

but it's just more like everybody's going. We're here with Karen. We're trying to figure out where we're going. And it's still disjointed. Well, the Fisk part of it is interesting as well because Charles and I disagree on this. But I think the thing that worked more than anything in the Daredevil Netflix series was the character of Wilson Fisk. I thought Kingpin is a tough villain because you have to have this great big guy

who is this physical force you have to have someone who is a criminal mastermind but also is charismatic enough to whatever reason both intimidate and charm the people that are around him. Like it's a tough character, right? It's a big, you know, Michael Clark Duncan actually did a serviceable job in that Daredevil movie

because of his sheer physicality and the charisma that he had as an actor. But I thought that Vincent Donofrio completely nailed the character. This is, it's not like he doesn't have a handle on the character. Obviously, he does.

But the show doesn't seem to have a handle on the character. The city is under martial law. The task force is running rampant, but you don't feel that sense of doom. You don't feel that sense of oppression by the people. The people don't necessarily seem to be scared.

It doesn't, I don't feel his, Fisk is such a dominating character, and it doesn't seem like that, at least in this episode of the show. When watching this, I was realizing the problem with the Mayor Fis' storyline is that are we at a point where we don't actually believe

that politicians can be this smart? And what I mean by that is, like, there are the undertones of Trump in this. Yeah. I think maybe when they first started the, Angelante Task Force, ICE was not as front and center as it was now. So maybe this isn't all a one-to-one thing. But there is this, to me, this dissonance when I'm watching this, where we know Kingpin is so

smart, it's so conniving. And you're making him into this mayor. And I'm just like, we know too much now. I'm like, we know that our politicians are way dumber than we could have ever mentioned. Think about and just really quickly. Think about how the ice thing is playing out in actual life. Think about the ice thing. I want to say the ice thing.

Think about how the brutal, oppressive secret police that is ice. Think about how that's playing out in our real world. It is a source of constant debate. You had two or three different American cities, communities in Los Angeles, downtown where our other offices are, communities in Minneapolis, communities in Chicago. directly stand in opposition to ICE. When you look at some of the videos that you see

with community members versus ICE, secret police, asshole squadrons, they feel dangerous. It's palpable. This force, this task force is actually, like, in ways supposed to be much more aggressive than ICE. Yeah. They are lawless in a way.

I mean, kind of doesn't get much more. I mean, I'm right. Yeah, it's hard, yeah. But what I'm saying is, in the show, they're not showing I mean maybe they will maybe they will this is just a pilot episode

right I'm gonna get some things that I did like after this but like they're not showing people be like responsive to this they're not showing how dangerous of a time

this is they're not none of that seems to be in the show I don't think the thing is that politicians are that smart I think the thing that at least I feel like we're bumping up against is that politicians actually are this evil, that this stuff exists in our real life.

They're actually more evil in real life than they are in the comic book version. And so we're watching this, this Kingpin, this task force, do horrible, horrific things, and we're kind of like, yeah, that happens in real life. It's not really crazy right now. Like Kingpin, you're not, you're really that evil if this is like the stuff you're doing in fiction, it's happening worse in our actual lives. It's kind of a, I don't want to say desensitized because that feels like a little abrasive, but that's kind of what it is.

Right, but you don't really. get like the escapism of comic book storytelling that you would in other shows or movies like this because there isn't like a mustache twirling guy tying somebody to the railroad track. I know that guy. He's a guy that's all the time. Just like the guy that we

have in the White House. Like that's the problem. But like there is an interesting dynamic I think that with Fisk is introduced in the show that he's more less put on the back foot because of this capsized ship situation and he doesn't really seem to have a control over it. And Mr. Charles under the guys

of Valentina kind of seems to have him in his pocket now. And we don't really understand why, but it's the fact that he is now made almost nearly docile politically in the face of Mr. Charles. Like, he's calling the shots. He's the one that seemingly

suggesting everything to pick up his mess. And I like the idea that Fisk is on the back foot this much in order to kind of solve the problem that he started. Yeah, I suppose. I think To talk about some of the other characters, Lillard comes in as this CIA operative that is being run by Valentina D. Fontaine.

That's a new character. You know, you have some other people who are not new characters. We talked about Heather, but isn't a new space. Heather is, you know, interrogating swordsmen. That's still hanging around. What the fuck is going to happen with that? Like, what the shit? I don't even know why we're there.

Like, that's in the shit. show. To me, that was a perfect example of, I'm like, if this vigilante task force is so oppressive, and where they're now, like, cooking the books, even before you get to trial, I'm like, is Swordsman the right character that you want to do that with in terms of, like, showing me how oppressive this vigilante force is? Because the Swordsman in every other show, like, Hawkeye and everything, it's just kind of, like, a funny guy.

But, like, all the math is that we like Swordsman. We don't want that to happen to Swordsman. We don't have really an opinion on source. That's what I'm saying that's what they think. If they were doing this to Luke Cage, then it's heightened. But think about the season just prior where we had White Tiger get popped in the street

by these guys, and we were very affected by that, and then that's still... Not really? But, like, I was rather... White Tiger? Yeah. That shit didn't work at all. You don't think so?

Not even a little bit? I was bummed out by that. Like, not for me for me. We didn't get enough to out with him. I was bummed out like I was bummed out in the way. Now look, okay, let's let's put, let's talk about that. So the reason why that didn't really work for me is because think about how they set up the character of Turk. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Think about how they set up the character of Turk. You see Turk. Turk is a part of the entire cornucopia of the world that we're in. He has a utility. He does a thing, whatever, whatever. And then when it's time for Turk to have like a high leverage moment, you feel something because you know this guy a little bit. Right.

You know his relationship to Daredevil, Murdoch, you know his relationship to the organized crime that's in Hell's Kitchen. You know that it's a little bit about, it's a little fraud or whatever. You know this guy and you kind of feel something for the character. With the white tiger, the show then was going for a more villain of the week, story of the week. Matt is going to defend these people in court type of archetype. And you're just supposed to care. You don't really know anything about the guy other than you see him in this fight with the police at first. There's nothing that you really know.

You haven't seen him really save anyone. You haven't seen him put it on the line for his neighborhood. You haven't seen any of that. You find a bit more of those things about him in court. You learn it like retroactively. And if you're doing that, you almost have to do it perfectly. And in this situation, it's kind of the same thing with Sourzman. We've had a conversation about Sorsman for a couple of different shows now.

We've never really seen Sordsman do anything, number one. So we don't know how dangerous Sorsman is, not really. We haven't seen him save anyone. We don't know what it's like to take Sorsman off the street. And if that character is going to sort of be the mascot for, you know, muting out all of the masks, it kind of doesn't work. The Luke Cage thing, I don't even, you know, I don't know if they could do. That would have actually been brilliant because we have so much with that character and we know what that character is.

We know what he means to his neighborhood. But also what I think is interesting is when I was watching this, if you think about the first season of the Netflix Daredevil show, something that I didn't appreciate as much then that I do now is like think about the evolution of how Matt gets his suit at the end of that. Think about like when he's in his Frank Miller ninja shit where it's a progression of. of the character being like, I'm not that protected that much. I'm getting the shit knocked out of me. And when he finally gets his costume, you feel like he's earned it. When they debut this new black costume with the Painted on D, the show doesn't really do enough

to actually orient me about like, all right, but what does this suit say about where Matt is now? How did this change come about? I thought the same way about the yellow and the red suit. They look cool. They're like, oh, my comic book brain is like, I know that. But like story wise for a television show, I'm like, but narratively, what does this mean? Yeah, what's going on with Matt? What's going on with Matt right now?

And I thought the failing of this pilot was I don't actually know how much different Matt is from like the season. In terms of just like. It just seems like he's on the case of something. Yeah, like he's just. And you know something else, man? When he was flipping around and She Hulk and all that stuff was happening. I thought, okay, they're going to kind of, they're going to do this version of Daredevil, and they're going to get us away from kind of the desperation of the old show,

and they're going to give us a more comic booky Daredevil from different runs, where what the spectacle of his skill set is what you come to the show for. That's not here either. This episode is not very much fun, right? It's not. It's an approximation of what they did. in the previous iteration of the show but it's not exhilarating at all

until the end. Now I will say this for me, watching the entire pilot I want... You keep calling it a pilot. It's a premiere. Well, pilot, premiere, whatever. I don't give a fuck. Watching, like, watching the entire premiere

of the show, okay? I was pretty nonplussed until about, I would say, 70% through the show. I feel like it started to round itself off a little bit. And by the time you get to Bull's eyes appearance

at the end, that was something that really worked for me because I, at that point, was feeling the way I felt like I needed to feel about Daredevil. I did not know if the task force was going to get to him. It seemed like he was about to get

captured. It seems like Cherry was about to fucking die. I'm like, calamity is ensuing. This is how dangerous the task force is. This is how dangerous it is to be dare double right now. What is going to happen? And then bullseye comes in. I'm like, oh shit,

now what? It's the classic. You're welcome on the floor. You're welcome on the entire thing. Now I'm like, going into the next show, which, you know, obviously I haven't seen yet, going into the next show, where are we? And can we maintain the energy. But I was a little upset

because I was just like, damn, y'all did the cause-savit shit where it's like you don't want to pay the bullseye actor to actually show up. Oh, but how to build up for one episode? Like, we don't know that. We don't know that, but I was a little bit like, all right, come on. Well, I figure someone happened because once,

because, like, you know, it's like when they shot unmasad Batman and it shocks and whatever, you feel like something's coming, but I'm like, they're not going to get the mask. They just took it off. And then the idea, Mom, I'm like, well, how do you get out of this one? You don't, you can't get out of this one. You're not going to kill him.

So like, and you cooked, what are you doing? And then you start, I'm like, I thought it was Punisher for a second. I thought it was Punisher. Because I'm thinking like it was a, Frank on the roof or something, yeah. But I was like, you know, on the show. And then the knife comes in.

And I'm like, no. There was, because I agree, once we got to the cherry situation, I was like, okay, some action. We're fine in our groove. I do think that where, this show does falter as well is like I was thinking about the first season

of the last season that we just watched a lot of the fights are kind of a little samey like Daredevil bust into an apartment building throws some dumps around and that's it where it's like the Netflix show I was just like oh

we remember the hallway scene I was like I was waiting for the winner fight at least in the pilot but maybe it'll come later there's like a warehouse he like he's on a roof Sometimes in this show, I'm just like, damn, y'all was on a soundstage. We're doing another, like, Daredevil just busting through the window. Yeah.

I've seen this fight in these two seasons. I'll let them impress me a little bit more. There's a second episode left. There's a lot of game left. There might be a hallway somewhere in the future. There might be a roof. They got to take them out of the other things we've got to. We got Jessica coming.

We got Bullseye coming. We'll probably give Furnisher maybe Luke Cage coming. Everybody's coming. Like, right. Jesus Christ. I'm going to come. Like, just remember, we have to get to a point where this mass thing is figured out. We saw some of that in the Spider-Man trailer.

So there's a lot of story to be. I would assume when I say in the Spider-Man trailer, we saw Fiske's number one. I think she's his chief of staff. Would that imply that he's not mayor anymore? Or he got something else to do. Maybe he's not mayor anymore. Maybe actually she's the mayor. Now, Gandalfi is the deputy mayor.

Or perhaps Fisk is incarcerated by this point. Like we don't know, but that little piece of that tells us that there's a lot of stories still to be had. Perhaps this premiere, perhaps this premiere had to do a lot of work because there was a lot of stuff going on to get us back into the array, a vast array. It was a 50-minute episode. Of characters that were left over from the first part of Daredo'Rourning. We didn't talk about it that much because I think we were all so excited about the Spider-Man trailer. But something I've been seeing from fans online is them complaining about like the CGI and the cinematography and maybe it not holding up as well as past Spider-Man films. And part of me, I just think I've just been beaten into submission where I'm just like, hey, yo, this is just how Marvel stuff looks.

Do you think that there is a level of this show that's hard, that is hard? to get over just because the original show just does look so much better. Like it does feel like dark and gritty and like a Frank Miller comic. And this one, it just does it. Like there's violent stuff that happens in this. But for some reason, the violence does not feel

as like claustrophobic and in your face. Yeah, it's a bit more colorful, well-lit, poppy. When first scene he's in the ship and he breaks that guy's arm, you weren't like, oh, snap, it was just like. When there's a scene, I forget what's, reason it is in Daredevil where he's just getting cut by knives

and I remember the Netflix show I had to turn away because it's like you feel every single fucking cut it's it's him against it's insanely difficult to watch no it's him against one of the hand ninjas yeah yeah like when he's in that thing it's like it's insanely difficult to watch

but there's something else about that something else about that is that so that scene is hard to watch from the standpoint that Daredevil is almost being tortured by the fact that, you know, he's getting cut up. But also, that scene from a story standpoint lets you know that he cannot continue to operate in that way with that suit like that.

Yeah. So that necessitates Gladiator, like being someone who makes a suit because later on, you see that Fisk is wearing something that Gladiator made under his actual, like, a three-piece suit. And that's why Fist doesn't get cut. that's why Fisk, you know, if you shoot him, whatever, is because he's got body armor on. And that scene, as dramatic as it is,

as much as Matt gets fucked up, it's both this brutal visual combat that kind of establishes that about the show. But then also from a story perspective, you realize that he needs the Daredevil suit. That moving forward, he would have been killed if he had to continue to do things as the devil of hell's kitchen without any armor on.

So that is like to me what made that first season good You watch that and you go fuck How's he gonna keep doing this? The answer is he's not And also somebody had to come take care of him Yeah, he was out of commission for a little while This stuff was it built itself a little bit better than what we're seeing right now This like I said this show kind of doesn't know It daytime show, night time show

If it's a lawyer show if it's a if it's a brutal like vigilante under it's trying to do all of it and in this premiere at least it didn't do any of it to me is it kind of the classic problem that Marvel seems to have where it can't keep its eyes off the big picture

and really narrow it down because again you like you said the things that made those first few Netflix seasons of Daredevil so great is because it was very insular it interrogated what it means to be Daredevil and then keep being Daredevil and right now it's just all right New York's in

trouble what's Matt going to do and what are the 80s people around Matt doing alongside of him. Well, I think there's some interesting ideas here. Sure. And I think one interesting idea is Matt as a sort of underground vigilante that, excuse me, Daredevil as an underground

vigilante and they're not being a Matt Murdoch. That is interesting. So there's no Matt Murdoch right now. Matt Murdoch as a person does not exist. He's absent from his law firm. By the way, I want to give love to the actress that McDuffie? Huh? McDuffie?

Yeah, that plays McDuffie. She's great. Nikki James, she's awesome. Yeah, she's really good. I like her a lot more in this season. Just in terms of just like they gave her a little bit more to do how tired she is. I was like, oh, that's working. Exchanging Barbes with that other guy.

And she goes, fuck you. I laughed so far. Like, she's awesome. Like, and I hope that there's a lot more for her to do it to watch, like, what's happening at the law firm where, like, when Matt is, like, not around. but as far as him not existing in the show because Matt Murdoch was such a big part of past versions of this to not see him, that's actually interesting.

It's interesting for this to really just be Daredevil when we see him outside of his apartment and the Matt that's inside an apartment with Karen just kind of being beaten down a little bit. I actually think that that has the capability to go very, very far in the season as something that can like unfurl interest. I think to Steve's point, I honestly think what we're learning about a lot of this

MCU stuff is, I feel like things flipped, especially when Marvel got Spider-Man, where there was this feeling of like, man, if Marvel just had access to the X-Men and Spider-Man and Garrett-up and all this shit, and like they would just do it so much better. And the parts of this premiere that work are when Matt and Caradar together. What is just like, oh, when people from the old, characters from the old show and those relationships get to cook. And I think Marvel is kind of maybe learning the hard way that it's like, no, no, no, actually during that era when we were trying a lot of stuff,

whether it was on Netflix or this or that, the good stuff was good for a reason, because these people thought through these ideas and made these connections. And the more, you hate to say it because it's kind of obvious, the more of this show just lets the old characters cook and be together in the same room. I thought the Matt Burdock and Karen shit worked. Yeah, it's great.

They're all flirty and they're about to make out right before they saw each other. Here's the thing. They need to cut it out with Karen learning martial arts. I'm like, all right, come back. Even that, when we come in and Karen's on the little thing, I'm like, all right, doc. What do you mean? What are you talking about? She can't go outside.

The character of Karen Page. She can't do. She can't learn karate? That's fine. I thought the scene between them, I thought the scene between them when they were doing the karate and he was getting care of the way. She's like, hey, hey, hey, hey,

that was funny. Because it seemed like he was about to fucking chop her arm or something like that. But I like what they're doing with her. It really just being, to your point, Karen and Matt,

I thought that she was always kind of the sneaky MVP of the show. Oh, yeah. Because she, in a way, was the example of the vulnerable character that found their strength and not only friendship, but also in purpose.

Right. And that's kind of really what the show is about. I mean, by the time we see Murdoch, he's already there. Yeah. Like, he's already to the point. He's not dared double yet, but he's already to the point to where he knows his purpose and he knows what it is that he's supposed to be doing in the Hell's Kitchen.

We watch her go through that, and that was just very, very important for the audience to kind of see. And so seeing her now kind of still existing in that, when all of the chips are down, she's lost her friend. They live in in a fucking hovel somewhere. Like, that's interesting to me. I thought that stuff really did work. Tough.

He can't want them all. You were talking about, I mean, I guess you mentioned stuff that you like from this episode, like the ending. Is anything else anybody liked? We've been pretty negative the whole time. Okay. I mean, I love Matthew Lillard. He's always really funny and charismatic, and he, I think he, you know, he eats a sandwich

really funny. I thought he was great. I don't know if you guys are seeing this on TikTok like I am. He reminds you this guy, John Kiriaku. He's the CIA guy. Oh, my whole feed is him. Dude. And it's like he's got the sped up voice.

He's got the load. You guys haven't seen these videos? He's an ex-CIA guy that just tells stories. And whether or not they're real, it doesn't matter. He's just amazing at telling wild stories. So former CIA, he went to prison. He's a whistleblower. And now he just goes on podcasts and different other arenas.

It starts telling stories about what it was like in the CIA. And it's the funniest thing. funny that I've ever seen. There's this one story of particular where it's fantastic. It's like remember I, I've been to say I forever. My kids ask me this all the time and I've never killed nobody. I'm just

like really glad I've never killed anybody. There is this one half exception. And he tells a story about how the, I think the Secretary of State or the Vice President of somebody. Colin Powell calls him personally and he is like, hey, so if the Iraqis wanted to kill the president, who would be in charge of

that operation? And they're like, that would probably be so and so with the Iraqi Central Intelligence and he's like where would he sit He's like probably like at the Central Intelligence agency He's like what's the address He's like okay, yeah

This is the address And he's like thank you Boom eight hours later They executed a strike on that 47 cruise missiles And he's like we didn't kill anybody We only killed the janitor And he reminds me

That guy so much because he's just very Flippet Very out there just like, yeah, we'll go... Who is that character is supposed to be? Has it been teased? I don't, Mr. Charles.

Oh, yeah. Well, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Like, you mean actually... Like, in the comics. Like, I sort of cannot... I know, I don't know. I don't know.

But it's a cool little conceit of just like this, you know, operative that's very nonchalant about anything. He uses constant burner phones and just like... Show up to the room. Walks right in with a big sandwich and just like, hey, so where are we at? You're going to want to take that, you know? I thought... I do love...

I love that. in movies whenever anybody's like you're gonna want to take that because that never happens in real life. Yeah. Like never. Like if a motherfucker told me you want to take that, I'll be like, what do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? How do you? And again, like he's, he makes Fisk like almost servile

to him and it's a very interesting dynamic because Fisk is kind of out of his depth. Vanessa's just kind of calculating him, listening and all that stuff and he seems to have all the answers. Again, to the realism of the thing. we find out when they're having Fisk, Vanessa and Mr. Charles at the house he's like, you know, we're using your port to smuggle

in some arms. I'm like, that's too real, man. Of course the CIA is something. The CIA will be doing. I'm not surprised at all, actually. This tracks with real life. They would do that a hundred times out of 100. It's just I just thought that character

like in, you know, the episode's pretty dark for the most part. Brought some liberty that I enjoy. But I will also say that like even though it seems like we're very down on this episode, I feel like Marvel television is on an upswing where it's like this comparatively to some of the other Marvel premieres that I've watched is not unwatchable. It's like we're comparing it against something

that is very beloved in the past, which dings it, but I would take this over like. Well, look, I don't, I personally would rather, personally would rather, you're in your writer's room, and this is going to be me shooting some bail. Okay? You're in your writer's room and you go, look, the first season was a lot.

And there was a lot of stuff for us to establish and a lot of stuff for us to clean up and we had to go back to the drawing board. All right. This first episode, we're going to have to deal with a lot of this stuff. We're going to have to put fucking muse back in the show and have Glenn C. Muse

and know that part of the duress that she's under isn't just duress from Fisk it's the fact that she is haunted by this masked person and she, because of all of this masked bullshit that she was right in front of her, there is an energetic belief from her that she has to save people

from all of this shit. And we have to continuously hammer that into people's heads because it might have not been evident after what we did in the first season. So this first one, we got to do a lot. We have to establish lie. We have to go back to the restaurant where the guys who are on the boat, we have to do all of that stuff. And maybe we can fall into something that's a little bit easier to digest over the next

couple of episodes. I would rather that be the thing. If we're leading up to something that is exhilarating and intriguing and it starts a little slow, then the thing that normally happens, which is that the first three episodes are actually pretty interesting and awesome, and then they run out of things to do by the fourth or fifth episode, and we're left wondering whether or not we enjoy what we just watched. It's weird because in a weird way, with the way that they, like, retooled the first season of basically killing Foggy

and putting Matt on his own and basically, like, soft resetting him in that. I kind of almost wished to, like, shave off some of the character fat in the first part of this second season because, like, like, shout out to Michael Gandalfini. You're doing great. I don't care anymore.

I don't need to see another scene I don't need to see another scene with him and BB ever again. No. I don't care. Y'all not enjoy watching him go out sad. That's 10 minutes I didn't spend with Matt Murdoch without somebody I actually care. I'm sorry. You know, that's not a bad shot. Like, come on, bro.

It's high time. But like what I wanted to see it, or at least something like that were like some some sort of like cataclysm is either not like killing these extra characters, but like at least taking them off the board in a way to make our main characters pay attention a lot more to something a bit more existential. That is something that could be interesting

and another way to kind of like whittled it down to the focus of the characters that we really care about. I just think the math is that we're not as interested in a lot of these characters as a show thinks we are. And so Matt, Kingpin, Karen, and then Cherry, I guess.

I mean, we enjoyed McDuffie this episode. Then it's kind of like, all right, after that, who else? And the thing we know this place got a roster. You know Jessica Jones is around. Punishers around. Right. Bring Michael Coulter back.

I don't know why y'all motherfuckers is like playing all. Like, you bring him fucking back. What if it's, what if it's won a season? You know, Jessica Jones this season, this season, then season three born again. We got a whole bulls, I think. I don't know if there's there's a season three of this coming. There's a season three coming.

Look, all of that's fine. And like putting the characters from the shows in, that's fine. You know, and that'll be something that, like, it will be exciting for us to anticipate. Let's think about BB, though. Let's think about the BB character right now. I'll tell you how I'm connecting these two ideas.

is. The first show was daring and almost Game of Thrones-esque. And I want you to remember that this show comes out during the run of Game of Thrones. This show premieres, the first Daredevil, during this sort of almost like, I want to say golden age, but that was an era of television where a lot of shit was new and a lot of shit was cooking. The Netflix binge model was new. So there was a lot of intrigue, like, around the fact that that kind of was, it was still relatively new. Yeah.

Game of Thrones was still, TV was still, like, in this big, amazing place. There weren't all these streaming wars and everybody kind of wondering what they're doing. So that show makes a decision to kill Ben Irrit's character, which was fucking shocking. If you had ever read the comic books or whatever, it's like almost like killing Jimmy Olson. Yeah. Right? Like, it's, they made the decision to kill him, and it reverberated throughout the rest of the show. It was like, oh, my God, you don't know who's going to die in this show.

This is a brutal world where these characters that have all of this purpose could be gone. Now we have essentially a Ben Erick stand-in that is his niece that is a Gen Z sort of version of him. And it's not working. And it's not working because the other show made a really bold decision to kill that staple character for the sake of story and deepening our connection to this world. And to resurrect the character in a different way, almost for a different age, you really would have to spend a lot of time story-wise paying that off to the audience and they're not doing it. Also, I just kind of feel it's a little weird that Wilson Fiske,

knows that BB York is working in and around his circle. Right. And he's not like, she got to go because I definitely killed your uncle. I think the show is more in love with the utility of BB's character or over like what she can do in relation to the rest of these characters. Like she operates as like both the propagandist and the anti-propagandist to Fisk's agenda because you need to be like, you needed this utility to kind of like reflect what the actual people of New York think about all of these.

things going on because you can't have such a monumental like sweeping militaristic law enforcement presence without the city of New York having an opinion about it and that's kind of what BB serves because she's like okay so she's filming these bullshit like New York's back type of videos while also doing these dumb like V for V for vendetta edits as well that don't work for me are you saying she's playing both sides so either way she comes out on top maybe that part of the show makes no sense to me. And I just think visually,

every single time they cut back to the New Yorkers being like, everything's, oh, like, oh, right. And it's crazy, too, because they're like, oh, man, I hate vigilantes. I can't believe they would do this. I'm like, New York would never do that. I don't know.

Again, I'm not an Indian Yorker. I can't sit here and act like, I'm like, you know, ten toes down, whatever. But I can't imagine, like, the New York that I know going like, yeah, man, we're team government. We're team mayor. Hey, I bet you people. One of the bluest cities in the country,

being like, yeah, we love ice. It's crazy. It's nuts. You're just like, what? So maybe it's all fake. Maybe it's all AI. Maybe it's not even like real, real content. She's cooking it, yeah.

Yeah, maybe she's just cooking it. You know, pay here's $50. Tell them you love New York. Right. They see like the graffiti. It's like, ah, shit, we got to cut that out. So we got to move the camera that way. Do you guys think, because this week also,

we got news that Hulu, Disney, pulling a plug on the Buffy reboot, Chloe Zhao. There's been back and forth. There's a lot of bullshit happening with that. A lot of bullshit going on with that. Like rumors? I'm just like, we don't know what the fuck is going on.

No. If I was a Buffy fan, I'd be fucking going nuts right now. Really? Well, so because they announced it is not coming back. And then Sarah Michelle Geller took it upon us and be like, hey guys, here's what happened. It's what going on.

It's fucking this exact. It is kind of fuck that exact. And then they were, day was like, oh, that's how you want to play it? Bat. Boom. No, I've never seen some shit where, yo, from inside they leaking the pilot script just to show you like, here's how whack it was.

And I'm just like, all right, so this is a full-blown war. But the reason I bring it up, do you feel like these companies are now getting to a point where they're like rebooting and remaking a lot of these classic television shows for a new age is way harder than we. gave it credit for. Whereas like, I think with Daredevil,

you're seeing, Disney's probably like, damn, we, we didn't put enough respect on like that original team's name. Same thing with Buffy where I'm like, the Buffy pilot, I haven't seen it,

it might have been great or whatever. From the moment they announced that they were doing that, I was just like, that is almost an impossible task to recapture the magic of a show like that. So this is, it's so funny to me, when I was growing up, I might have told you guys this before, like in the 80s.

I was growing up in the realm of these revivals happening. And it's funny because the revivals that I was watching during that time were almost, so it was like, what's happening now? Yeah. Was like, what's happening had come back and they were older. Yeah. They brought the show back. What's happening was the show. What's happening now was on.

The new Leave It to Beaver was on. The new Gidgett was on. They had brought all of these shows that were big in the 50s and the 60s back and they were on television. The people were a little bit older, whatever, whatever. And my mother would look at it. And I would be like, oh, it's a grown-a-beef. That's kind of cool. My mom would be like, that's not Wally and the Beaver.

That's what my parents called Leaver to Beaver. Wally and the Beaver. My dad- Were they morning radio DJs? Like, my daddy never called the show what the name of the show was. Whatever show it was. That's not what he called. called it. My dad would be like, hey man, turn on Wally and the Beave.

Turn on, that's not just called Leave it to Beaver. I want to watch Wiley and the Beave now. Turn on Wiley and the Beave at Eddie Haskell, something else. So, like, that was happening. And it didn't seem like it wasn't an affront to me because even though I had seen the older shows, the newer shows, they didn't, like, they didn't arrest my mind like that. The classic nature of the older shows. Now I'm kind of seeing the Scrubs is doing it well Scrubs is doing it extremely

The second time that they did that Scrubs is doing it well This is the second time they tried to do it Right but like now to me I'm seeing that like To bring these characters back They're a little bit older It's not the same time

We're in a different time This is difficult Which is why I have a tremendous amount of grace for Daredevil Borning in Because they're making a show That's their show But they're also making a show

that's a continuation of a show that creatively they weren't a part of. So even if it takes the first three episodes of this show to find its narrative and its energy, I'm okay with that. But this show has got to finish strong. It's got to get to a point

to where this stuff is awesome. And like, we're all caught up in this fight for the solo of New York. It's got to finish strong. They have all of the pieces. They really, really do. And it's just about not getting lost in the sauce. I guess my final question is

you said there's going to be a third season. That's what I'm seeing right here. Do we need to wrap up this Wilson Fis storyline? Because to me, like, the mayor part of this is dragging all of this down. I don't care. Like, I don't like Mayor Fisk. I almost think it like...

Well, you don't like Fiske in general. I like Fismore's... I find Fisk, the criminal, the kingpin, way more interesting than the mayor part because it doesn't even seem like this show really cares that much about the politics. So I'm like, why is it there? Like, I don't think the politics,

I think that's probably the weakest. It's great to see him, like, I would love to see him, like, fall from power and then have a chip on his shoulder for, like, the entirety of a season and then have him, like, try to get back to a place of, like, power and Donovan and so all that stuff, because that's what Kingpin always does.

Like, he always feels like he is counted out and disrespected, and that's what kind of brings out his anger. But now he's just kind of, again, docile in these first few episodes. episode. But he doesn't want, so this is my thing is he doesn't want anything as mayor. Right. So like, Carcetti from the wire. Like when you watch carcetti from the wire, you watched a mayor that was seemingly genuine about wanting to change the status quo, the political status quo in Baltimore. Right. And then what you watched was this person who, by the way, was a complete

career climber, right? Like, had all of this ambition. You watch them kind of in real time learn what their abilities were going to be. And you watch him fall into some of the indulgences of power. By the end of it, he no longer really cares that much about being the middle of Baltimore. He now wants to be the governor of all of Maryland. And you might at one day look up and it might be president, Karkady. And you see how this person that went, you know what?

we might be able to change things and like rearrange things here. Not completely purely like the guy was a fucking angel, right? Because we know all about Cartagetti. We saw all the shit that he was doing. But it seemed like he legitimately had political goals in the city. And then we watched those unravel and turn into different goals, goals that were greater goals. We watched him become a purely political beast. Nothing like that is happening with Fisk.

Fiske as mayor doesn't seem like he really wants anything. Does he want to deepen his penetration? into the criminal underworld, was being mayor a way to eliminate all of his competition, consolidate power and even a different way. Like, what is he the mayor now just so he can stamp out all of the masks? What are the political things that are happening? Who is his political nemesis? Like, what roadblocks is he running into?

And what about being mayor is awesome for Fisk? What about being mayor is not awesome for Fisk? You got way more of that when he was just a criminal. You like way more of that, way more of the dynamics of him being this person that was a part of this sort of criminal commission but also wielded power over it. That was fucking crazy to like watch his rise through that. Now he's just kind of a suit, right? He's just kind of a suit. We saw at the end of the first episode that, you know, he still's got these prisoners and all of this shit like that.

But none of it feels like I'm not getting, I'm not getting anything. more from him. I think in the comics, a Mayor Fist storyline makes a lot more sense because in the comic books, you have more history of like, oh,

it's not just that Daredevil hates Kingpin. Fuck, Spider-Man hates Kingpin. He's going up. He's in New York. They're constantly fucking up his machinations or whatever. In this,

his hatred towards vigilantes brings hollow to me. Because I'm like, does he hate vigilantes? Or does he hate Dirk him? And I'm just like, no, he hates Derry. Yeah.

So a lot of he's like what he's doing, I'm like, I think he's just using it as a guess. I think either way, whether Fisk is a criminal or a mayor, he has to stick around if it's a Darydwell show. Because I don't know if you guys have, I just, I just went and looked it up. So in the top 20 Daredo appearances in Daredevil comics in Volume 1, right, you got Kingpin, obviously, Bullseye, The Hand, Typhoid Mary, Gladiator, Mr. Hyde, Jester, Mr. Fear, it kind of starts to

the Rose Galleries are kind of nuts. The Dead Devil's Gallery is kind of, you know, say, it's a Superman situation. Like, Brainiac, fucking, Mr.

fucking galaxy, Mr. Mr. Mr. Plick, Mr. Flick. Milsa. Smokey Adams, whoever the fuck you want to put

Superman up against. Like, Superman's six-bit chance, his guy is Lex Luthor. And you're not going to see very many Superman movies that don't feature Lex Luthor in some sort of way. You could do Zod. You could do that, right? Like that

I guess sort of worked in Manistel. Actually, you know, Zad is a... But even when Zod is around, the representative of the opposition to Superman is the human genius. Yeah. Is the human computer mind who goes, I don't need to be powered by the son.

Like the genius that my homegrown genius can like bring down the god of this earth. And that's what Kingpin is to Daredevil. Legitimately, the opposite of Daredevil is Kingpin. Bullseye is a fucking great villain. It's a great villain. That's probably

like the guy that's closest approximate. You know, the hand. Can you bring the hand back at this point? I don't know if you can. I mean, you know. I mean, they will. Spider-Man. But anything that makes trouble in New York, essentially could be like

a villain for Daredevil. Stuff like, you know, any Spider-Man's people who are people who are peering. Daredevil the fuck up. Obviously. Daredevil trying to fight the Green Gobel. What the fuck out of here? Whoa, Daredevil would rack the Green Gobel.

Let's have some shame. Come on, let's have some. Der Devil would beat up the Green Goblin? Yes. Come on. Would this Daredevil be a blood to foe? What? No, the Daredevil can't fuck with the Green Goblin.

Green Goblin is a page. Spider-Man got like actual superheroes for him. First of all, you want to know how I know Green Goblin has actual superpowers as well. First of all, yeah. Green Goblin dies constantly. Fucking constant. Because he's fucking with Spider-Man. Yeah.

I'm-con-in-napp. I'm-cus-in. He's fucking with Spider-Man is what the fuck happens. That's why you die. You're fucking with a super power-fucking spider. This motherfucker has a fucking little electric scooter and some bombs. Daredevil would fuck him up. Guys, guys, I don't think we're not paying attention.

He's got a call-back. What do you mean? What do you mean? What are you talking about? He don't got no power. I'm honestly torn. Green Goblin is a meta-human. So?

Yeah. Well, here's the thing. The power scaling is different because if you go up, against Spider-Man, obviously you're gonna get pieced up. But, like, who is... By the way... Who else is Green Goblin definitively fucking over? You guys, Green Goblin be punishing Spider-Man.

Yeah, I don't know. Right. It's like, like, Spider-Man... Yeah, because Spider-Man don't got that dog in him. He has no killer attack. Daredevil's like, this fucking clown! Okay. You, by the way, this is...

I just want to let you know. I'm gonna keep you... I'm gonna keep... Would Bullseye be Green Goblin? No. What? Bullseye wouldn't... Are we serious?

If they got the hands, no. All right. If we're throwing shit, if we're throwing shit, if we're throwing shit, if we're going to catch that shit. All right now. Green Gaba's ability, superhuman strength,

speed, stamina, ability, agility, durability, reflexes and healing. He put the devil on a t-shirt. He's a 50-year-old C.O. I don't care if he has fucking superhuman strength. Daredevil?

You know what? I'm glad you're saying this. I just remember this when you're talking all this shit you talk about Batman. Right. I just, I just, I want you to remember that you're saying. Is the pretext argument stupid?

Yes. Like, I want you to want you. Wait, so you're telling me, if Daredevil can beat Bullseye, Daredevil can beat Green Goblin. What? If Daredevil can beat, no. Because Bullseye is way more formidable, of a foe than the Green Goblin.

Bullseye, I don't know about that. Bullseye is like Green Arrow. You know what I mean? It's like Hawkeye. And I'm not hating on these people because they get busy in the way that they can. Yeah. In the way that they can. You know your role.

They get busy in the way that they can. But it's, it's, It's gonna be an India Spireman's role gallery. In the Spireman, Doc Ock. Fucking Daredevil up. Darede, Doc Ock is not. Are you nuts? This is a fucking overweight nerd with four fucking arms.

Daredevil's fucking Dr. Octon. I think he is fucking up Doc. He's fucking up. Your don't. Daredevil's fucking up auto-o-o-o-o-c. No, he's not. Yeah. Now Venom, he can't do nothing against.

He can't do nothing against Venom. Electro is going to be, well, He can't beat Electro. Hold on. Guys. So wait. He can beat Octavius, but he can't beat Electro. Yeah.

I believe he can beat Electro. It just be like. Daredevil can beat Electro? Put on some rubber. All right. You definitely be shocked or anybody can be shot. So these are the guys. This is Spider-Man's Road Gallery here.

Who's Daredevil beat? Who can't be right now? Carnage. You're packed up. No. No. No. Back on.

He can't be Carnage. Craven. I'm gonna be honest with you. No, whoa, whoa, whoa! Don't say it, don't say it. Daredevil is fucking Craven up. I don't think he is, bro. I would like to see it.

I would like to see it. I would like to see it. I would leave him, but I would like to see it. I would like to see it. Mysterio. That actually... That happened. Daredevil could absolutely beat Mysterio.

I think that... That was in the comics. I think that daredevil's abilities... Well, it's not going to work because he can't see. So, we were like, well, all the tricks that... I think that daredevil's abilities are going to fuck over. Yeah. like a mysterious.

He can get Mysterio. The lizard, you're done. Cooked. No, no, no, no, no. He could get the list. Oh, my. What are you talking? Oh, you're potting.

You're potting. You're podcast. I like this. I like this. All right. So, all right, let's set the floor. Are we talking about Daredevil as a character or are we talking about the Netflix? Can I finish doing the thing?

So I just want to get you, I want to get you on record here. Keep going. The lizard. Sandman. Daredevil. Come on, bro. Just give me Sam. Give me Sam.

All right. Sam is stuff. It's too much. That's too much for him. Electro, we already talked about Rino. I feel like you can piece up Rino. I think he can piece up rhino.

It's a lot of damage. But I think he can get Rino. All right. And then the last one I'm going to do, the last two, Volture and Scorpion. He got both. Vulture and Scorpion.

Yeah. Vulture, I would say, Vulture, I would say, Daredevil, nah, Devere digging fucked up, bro. That's like an 80-year-old man,

That's an 80-year-old man. Adrian Toons is old. I'm telling you, like, I think that's going to be tough. Here's what I'll tell you right now, though. If you took Descendants to Six, whatever six of his gallery, I guess,

and you swapped Spider-Man for Daredevil, Derdouble dying in 15 minutes. I tell that, man. It's not. It's not. It's essentially a karate maker who can hear good. Right?

I mean, and that's tough. Yeah, but he has a killer instinct where it's like, Spider-Man not trying to kill these things. Right. Daredevil, he walked up on Octo, He's just like, you know what? Kill him.

Man, I don't know, man. You're putting a lot of faith in Daredevil, man. I know he a dog, man. I know he's literally a demon, bro. Daredevil gets fucking busy. And Daredevil ain't got no, like, he ain't got no gadgets either. I can see if he had gadgets. He just got the sticks.

He don't need him. He liked Batman. Fuck. No, no, no, no. Batman got a, if Batman got to fight you with a batman. Batman's got a shit, you can't even think of it. Yeah. Batman got to fight the lizard.

He's crazy. If Batman got to fight the lizard, he comes into some armor, He's got like the metal fist to cuff with the shockers. Batman got gadgets and the gadgets is going to help. Like blind you. He's going to look at the lizard to see you in the fourth night. Acid on the skin. The whole fucking boom, boom, boom.

Daredevil do none of that. Their devil got nunchuts. Their devil is really like a nigga from Baton Rouge in 1987. When the Kung Fu craze was still out. When Ninja turtles were going crazy. When Ninja turtles were going crazy. You got a stance on them. And my cousin used to come in the house and like kick in the

face on my aunt team, everybody will be like, yo, what you doing? Like, and he had to get a nunjewks. Daredevil is like a great version of that. No, but here's a thing. It's like, why in the comics does Spider-Man have to go get trained by Shang Chi? This motherfucker don't know martial arts like that. What the fuck is Spider-Man going to do

with Bullseye starts doing sniper rifle shit, throwing knives, killing Mary Jane and shit? And you know what, you know, helps? The only reason he went to do that because he lost his spider sense, right? So he couldn't really like predict. Normally he just dive out of the way, boom, hit you with the force of like, you know, a car

and you out in the streets, you know what I'm saying? That's the reason why Green Goblin is still around because even when Peter's pulling his punches, it's still a lot. I don't think even a Peter's pull punch is still going to put, would still hurt Green Goblin. I don't know what they're doing against Green Goblin.

Green Goblin, Elon Busk, with some fucking with some fucking grenades. If we are fighting to an actual victory. Okay, not to the death, but just to actual victory. Daredevil got Mysterio I think he can maybe do Electro Vulture

Okay Rino I don't think Craving could go But if we're fighting Craven would be nice To go

If we're fighting to Like Daredevil is trying to slow this character down And then he can like get away Some of these characters That might be cool But like Rhino

is going to Their Devil Like Rino is gonna fuck Daredevil up It's gonna be tough Right He has to catch him first Who has to catch him?

Right on. Daredevil, you know, but that's pussy. That's pussy. Because it's like, so. I'm just, let's be honest.

Let's be real. I mean, they're about to fight. They fighting. You don't have to catch them it's a fight. Okay? It's a fucking fight.

So Daredevil going to flip around and shit like that. But at the end of the day, where Rhino hit, he's going to be breaking, crushing all kinds of crazy. So would Black Panther be Green Goblin, Dr.

up? Yeah. Just because it's a super. strength. He's a heart shape He's gonna be tough I mean that's a

That's a decent fight though But yeah Black plus These guys are like Like trained fucking Like they got They're meta humans And they're like

Martial artists and stuff like that It's actually kind of disrespectful To Black Panther I'm surprised you said that You're trying to put Black Panther And Black Panthers Rokes ain't Ain't really on shit

Namer There's fucking killmonger And then there's the claw And then you're kind of Where the, oh, and there, what's the racist one? In Baku? Yeah, Baku, yeah. Technically, in the comics, yeah.

I mean, Namor is a big deal. Like, Namor is very strong. No, that's a, but here's the thing. That's, because Black Panthers Rose Gallywood was so pussy, they had to bring in Namor later to be like, all right, who do we got on the bench that could actually show this man some feet? Go bad for band, yeah. Man, Black Panther went up against the KKK.

That's all of our nemesis except for Steve. All right. Like, I'm just saying it's very, It would be very tough for Daredevil, man. You're asking a lot. It's like, it's a tough situation.

But some of these people, you've made your point, he might be able to hang in, Vulture and all of these people. I actually think, you know, Vulture might grab Daredevil, take him up to the top of the fucking.

No, man. He's got Psycho-Cathlet. You know what I'm saying? It's just, I know a different, a different Daredevil from the comics. When that motherfucker gets busy,

he got that Irish rage. These motherfuckers can't do nothing. I can't remember what comic it was, but, like, I think he didn't piece up cap, but he, like, he took his shield from him. And, like, he stopped the fight just because he wanted to admire the shield. And he's just like, you know what?

I'm over it. He could. But in the comic books, though, the MCU cap would kick their devil's head off. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know that. I'm not saying the devil. He gets not going to piece up cap.

Okay. In the MCU cap, that's like, that's, he's going to put your hole through his chest. Yeah. He's not. No, no, no, no, no, I'm not crazy. The comic book version of it. The comic book version of it. those characters like aren't so far off.

I mean, he's the... Those are the right covers. Cap is still, you know... Cap is still, you know... Cairdouble. I'm not saying that that happens. They aren't that far off. I'll tell you what, bro.

Like, in this iteration of Daredevil, this TV version, they had Daredevil going straight up hand to hand with Frank Castle, fighting him to a stalemate in the, when Punisher comes into the show. That's a weakening. Like, that's not...

Who? Pryor can't fuck with Daredevil hand to hand. Yeah, no, that's like his whole thing. Yeah, like Punisher can't fuck with Daredevil. And that Punisher, that's... He's just a gun guy. Yeah, so he can fight.

Yeah. But hand to hand, he's not fucking with Daredevil. No. Tell me so. That's your God, though. They got him in Punisher Convo's. That's crazy. They still have the Punisher insignia on the fucking vest thing.

Yeah. When is he coming back? We think he's coming back? He's got it. He's coming back in Spider-Man, baby. No, they got a... We got to see one more real version of the Punisher before they bitchify him. What is the special presentation? Let me tell you so. Let me tell you some.

Let me tell you some. Let me tell you some. Let me take so Spotivane. Y'all are funny. Yeah, maybe Daredevil. Maybe Daredevil could be saying, man, if he like, because you, you know, you could use water. Yeah. Y'all putting way too much respect on Craven's name.

Craven the man. I don't know, man. I saw a movie. I don't know. I saw a movie. The problem is. He does. But in the Craven movie movie.

Craven was like a cat jumping off the fucking The lizard just gets crazy to me personally The lizard don't be doing shit The lizard literally just cries He just my family, I'm a fucking lizard And I'm like All right, sure

He kind of is this thing He kind of, I mean, that's not untrue Right You know what I mean? Killer Crocs way harder than No, could Daredevil beat Killer Croc? I don't know that's- He could not.

If he swapped Daredevil and Batman's Road Gallery Oh no, no, no, no All right, let's do it real quick before we go. Okay, Daredevil is like, fucking Daredevil up. Oh, man. But not hand to hand, though. Kind of. Just psychologically?

Just, yeah, like, yeah, he'll kill his whole family. Badman's hard as hell, man. Like, once the Joker start. Daredevil too, Dairyble too emotional. Like, yeah. This motherfucker would crash out. Scarecrow is fucking him off. No, no, no, he could get scarecrow.

He can get scarecrow. One, because, I mean, like, I'd imagine, like, the whole thing, dare the devil is mental fortitude, right? Uh-huh. So he'd be pretty, like, I'm sure it would affect him, but I'm sure he'll be. But, Joker's fucking him up Two-fit, he can get two-face.

Batman's Road Gallery is a bunch of like mental masterminds. They're not, there are very few of them that are like Fremittably. Not in this new absolute world, by the way. All right, Daredevil versus Bain. I got, I think I got Bain. I think Vain.

You think you got Bain, but you got Bain. First of all, Bain broke Batman's back. And there's Batman and there's Daredevil. But Bain also used some some strategy there. so when Bain broke Batman's back remember how this happened

a lot of people say this and I remember how it happened I was watching that day like watching that day like I was there when it was catwoman I was catwoman I was watching this is your ally I was reading the comic what Bain did was

people have to remember Bain let all of the the prisoners in Arkham go yeah and Batman was tired and Batman was tired yeah so Bain was like maybe I could fuck over this guy.

But let's wear him out. Let's wear him out. Batman was tired. And so I don't know who knows if that happens the same way. I think that Bane is a tough matchup. It's a tough matchup. It's a tough matchup. Deathstroke.

Deathstroke? I think that's the stalemate. Because there's a thing. Deathstroke was getting fucked up by Robin. Not even a cool one. The team titans was fucking Deathstroke up. Slate. Like, come on.

Freeze? Nah, Daredevil got Freeze Okay Daredevil got freeze So Joker gonna do So Joker gonna do some Poison and Ivy might get Daredevil Because you know Daredevil got a week

You can put If you're gonna put Foggia and Carrey Devil's too morning At the end of the city Either in the Gotham Be like pick one go crazy Now Batman Honestly Batman will fuck

Spider Man's Rose Gallery up He fucked Daredevil's Rose Gallery up I don't believe you It's child's play for Batman Really? Yeah it is Man Like Batman would have

Like it's child's play for Batman Those, they know. Okay, it's his thing, though, those villains like to scrap. Yeah. He would, like, he would end up with his backbroken more often than, than you would think. Brought, it's just, it's just, like, it's who it is. You guys, we have to come to terms with something with the Batman thing. Okay.

And this way we have to come to turns with him. Batman is white America's wet dream. Pretty great. It's just, he is. We have to come to terms with the fact that the reason why Batman can rise to any challenge is because Batman is an avatar for the fact that an angry white man can accomplish anything. And be rich.

Like accomplish anything because he's rich. He's got all of this stuff. He is... Think about Batman. He can have any child that he wants. Batman is the smartest guy. He's the strongest guy. The richest guy.

He's the richest guy. He's tactically the most perfect guy. And he's also the most focused guy. Like this is somebody just going, we run this bitch and no one can stop us. Man. So the reality is that Dr. Octopus could come around, four arms, talking all that shit.

Batman's going to go, oh, beep. And Octavius is going to be like, what the fuck is going on? And Batman's going to be like, I realize the frequency that your arms work on. Now, you know what they are? And he's going to be like, what? Batman's going to be like, weights.

And then Octavius is going to fall off the side of the building because his fucking arms, his tentacles are weighing him down, and Batman's just going to be looking over him like that and then throw something down in to catch him before he dies. And, like, everybody's going to have that same story. The lizard's going to try to punch Batman, and all of a sudden he's going to look and Batman's going to have him in his hand.

Your DNA suggests that you use lizard compound. I gave you what you wanted, made you into a real lizard. You are now the Gecko. Instead of he's making him a human? Like, no, no, he's going to make him into a small lizard. And then he's going to keep him in the... Keep him in the art gallery in the back cave. Like the sandman, Batman's going to end up sprinkling him on the beach in Malibu.

Like all of these. All of these guys, this is what you want to do. I will say, do you think, though, in Asia, they be getting pissed at us where they're just like, damn, why all y'all American superheroes is shit? White boys coming over here, learning our kung fu, learning our samurai moves, and they just, the best that ever did it. They're not even training since childhood. They just come over there. for 16 years white man did in a week. Yeah, and they just like, I'm that nice.

Last Emery. Yeah. White man did it in one week. Last summer. But, you know, hey, bro. Never mind, man. Let's go. Wait, say it.

No, no, no, no. Was the Army some one-trick pony? Like, we don't want, because we already talked about it. Right. We talked about the, we talked about all of this appropriation and shit like that with the food and y'all wasn't fucking with what I was talking about. One-trick ponies is nuts. It's like, you go over there.

All right. Coming up next. That's the wrap. So, you guys, we realize that you, you know, you come to the podcast

for us to be really excited about stuff and we love this content. We kept it real about the Daredevil premiere. I was not over the moon about this premiere. However, I do believe that the show, the premiere showed enough promise for the show that the final book on Daredevil

Born again, season two has not been written yet. A lot of game left. A lot of game left. Stay with us on the right. A month ago, y'all out of the kind of the Lakers out. All right. All right. Come on. A month ago, you're out of the table. And now what the fuck you got? Well, now, I do. You got a late MVP push from Luca. You got dominating. You know what I'm saying? You got LeBron. Turn back the clock. Come on.

But Jomey, I have to ask you this. Smart. Who. Playing like a fuck. Come on. How do you feel about, you know, Luca dropped 60? Obviously, they asked Bab about it. Are you like, hey, bro, Bam, chill. Nah, I can't even hold him because he's like, obviously, I know how to be in that zone, dropping 80. And I first wanted to be like, yo, you kind of, you're milking it. But then he's like, if you dropped 83 in the NBA game, you couldn't tell me nothing.

Yeah, I would be telling everybody. I put it on a T-shirt. Even the way that he dropped it? Yeah, I put it on a billboard. Like, it don't matter. Nobody going like, you know. I don't remember. I'm a hate.

Man, Bam D up. You were in a way, Look at him. Ben, D-Up, you was getting cool. Look at him. Hey, bro. Put him on a T-shirt.

All of that shit that you did was cool. And maybe I was wrong. Maybe I went too far. Nick, D-Up. Luca had you on skates in that bitch. Luca going crazy right now. I saw Luca in the game against the Rockets. Luca comes up.

They send the double. He splits the double behind the back. Lob to Aiden. I'm like, yo, Luca cooking in a different way right. different right now. That's my MVP. Talk to him. That's what the fuck I'm talking about. Talk to him. Against the heat. Bam, all that shit. You're talking. D-Ure. A hundred points in less than 24 hours.

I know what my MVP is. Luca, nigger. And we're getting our family back. 33 points. 33 points, seven rebounds, eight assists on 48% shooting. That's the MVP to me. I've seen it. I've seen it. That's the MVP. That's the MVP. to me. A couple weeks ago, man, it was over. Canada. Told us it was packed. Look at us now. Respect us. We plan.

We got a game tonight? No, we got a game tomorrow. Tomorrow, I'm about to say, yeah, look these niggles rats. What fucking going on there on? Every night. They got to Miami at five in the morning. Five in the morning and still put belt to motherfucking ass, baby. All that dumb ass shit. I hate that stupid ass shit.

All right, cool. That's wrap. Programming reminders on Monday, the House of Arfee did a deep dive on a new Spider-Man doing trailer. Go check that out. Wednesday, the Midnight Boys are returning to the Mushroom Kingdom

to discuss the Super Mario Brothers Galaxy. That is the sequel to the Super Mario Brothers movie. We are really into that. Now, I'm saying the brothers. I don't think they say brothers. What? Super Mario Galaxy? I think it's just Super Mario. I don't think it's Super Mario Brothers.

Like the game or the movie? I think the movie. is Super Mario Galaxy. I think the movie is still on that, though, official title. I think the movie is Super Mario Galaxy. I always say Super Mario Bros. because I think of them as a tandem. Super Mario Galaxy movie. Yeah, that's a Louis.

That's a little bit. That's Luigi. Just say Super Mario Galaxy. They erasing Luigi. The sequel to the Super Mario Brothers movie. Tough. Our producers today are Alia Zanaris, Devin Beraldi, Jamie Yukich, Jacob Cornett,

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