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Episode Date: April 17, 2025

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financially successful at the box office and the way that it looks to be, it's a major, major, major, major accomplishment. Wait, but I'm reading some stuff. There's some worries because I'm seeing a lot of like the prognosticators being like, we don't know how much it's going to make.

I have faith. I feel like Black America about to show out. We'll see. Just remember, the movie doesn't have an overwhelming budget. It's $90 million, which is a lot of money, but not a shit ton of money

as compared to today's blockbusters. It's not Marvel money. It's not Marvel money. But it is a rated R horror movie. Okay. So anyone that might be expecting sinners to make $7 or $800 million,

maybe that's not the level of success that you should be expecting. But in the R-rated horror market, I think this is going to do very well. I think it's going to be massive, like gigantic, particularly because the reviews are driving it to be so. I think it's still 100% around tomatoes. Yeah, 100 or 90 or something like that.

What do they say? I'm taking over on this. How much you think it's going to make first? First week. Okay, so we got Y release. We also have the IMAX considerations. Yeah. 75?

75 is a massive win. A massive win. I think you could do 75. It's targeting 45. See, you know what I'm saying? It's targeting 45. So 45 and a half is the line. Oh, dang.

I was saying, I was saying like 60, 60, 60. 60. If it goes, if it makes 75, if Seners makes, and we won't know this until Saturday, we can talk more about this on the podcast. If Senators makes 75, Google at that point, you'd have a strong argument that he's the number one guy in the game.

Now, obviously, you have, I mean, I mean, probably not. But what I mean to say number one guy in the game is the beginning to his career track record. Oh, yeah, no. This is like the ascent into like a household name. Like he could be the next. No, because if you compare the Nolan or Denny or any of those guys,

obviously they have more meat in the fridge. Sure. But I mean, the trajectory right there would be nuts because 75 means that it's going to be a massive, massive hit. So I mean, but even 65. Yeah. It's just like, I think it's going to do very, very well. I think Coogler is, I don't think Coogler is one of my favorite directors because he hasn't had a bad movie.

Like, you know how hard as a new director to not have a bad movie yet? All his movies have been good. Fruitville, Creed, Boat Black Panthers, like, and this is, that's also shit. And this is him, this is his shit. He's set it out, yeah. When I was, when we were at the screening, they talked about just, they talked about exactly how much original creativity went into, Every single aspect of shooting the movie from the way that the movie is shot, the cameras that it's shot on,

to the relationship between Michael B. Jordan's lead character, Smoke and Stack, to the music in the film. Every single part of it is artistic expression. I can't that 10-minute video about, like, where to go see it, like the Super A-A-A-V versus the 16-millimeter, the whole thing. That video, in and of itself, to me, is an indicator of what the box office turnout is going to be for the movie. that video has like 20 million views.

It's 10 minutes long. It made me go like, I got to go see it a 70 millimeter. Yeah. But also, and I love that video because I'm like, there's not that many, I feel like, young directors who have the type of cachet, that cougler, who could like break it down to you in such a layman's terms, make you feel like you're a part of the process.

Like, he's not just selling his movie. He's just like, oh, this is like why you should go see a bunch of movies in these formats. I was like, I want this to win so bad. I want it to win too. Okay. But on today's show, we give you our instant reactions to the season, finale, of Daredevil Born Again. Now, we're going to spoil stuff, MCU stuff, past Netflix stuff, comic stuff, spoiler for Daredevil, everything that you could think of.

Steve, Steve, run a spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about Daredevil Born Again. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Before we talk about the episode, we've got to put you in the note, refresh your memory. The only person who can do that is Chuck Wagon.

The only way to do that is a midnight manifest. Chuck. All right, is your midnight manifest for the season finale of Daredevil born again, straight to hell, directed by Justin Benson, Aaron Moorhead, written by Heather Belson and Dario Scartapain. Matt wakes up from getting shot,

and it's like, damn, where's Karen? And it's like, shit, I'm leaving to take a job with Mayor Fist. Then Kingpin is like, fuck it, let me finish the job that bulls I could it. sends Buck to murder a bed written Matt in the hospital. Matt is then ambushed by the vigilante task force at his department, but is saved by Punisher and Karen. Then Matt proceeds to break down how the hit on Foggy was orchestrated by Vanessa

because the lawyer was about to reveal that the fifth criminal empire is ran through the Red Hook Freeport's shoutout tenant, which allows them to skirt customs and most laws. Kingpin also kills a commissioner and declares martial law after purposely placing Manhattan in a blackout. Punisher ends up getting captured at the Freeport after going berserk on the task force and Daredevil decides he needs an army and teams up with Cherry Carrot and Kirsten to stop the mayor.

And that has been your midnight manifest for the season finale of Daredevil Born again. Then my question is so, so did Daredevil born again season one land the plane? Did this finale land the plane? To me it did.

And let's talk about why. To me it did. Let's talk about why. Why? Okay. I don't even believe, I don't even believe you. Yeah.

Yeah, it did. It did for me. It did. No, no, it seriously did. It seriously did. Let's talk about why. Okay. You don't sound convinced.

Oh, yeah, you don't. No, I mean, I don't know. I'm supposed to, I don't know. To me, it did. And let's dig into the episode a little bit. So we get the end, at least for this season, of Matt's arc and Kingpin's arc. What were your thoughts?

on how we tied the bow around Matt Murdoch slash Daredevil's character in this iteration of the show. At the end, he seems fully formed back into his old superhero self. Certain things that were, I guess, splinters in his mind have now sort of been reconciled, as far as his relationship with himself as daredevil. Notions that he has about foggy's death, reconciled. Karen and what's missing from his life being Karen Page, reconciled. When he wakes up in one of the coldest scenes in the motherfucking show,

Heather's right there. And rather than say Heather, he says Karen, which was the thing that pushed Heather over that edge. Can't do that. You can't do that. It's so cold walking out on your boyfriend who just got shot. She heard Karen was like, I can't. They both left.

Her and our lawyer, homegirl. They both got the fuck out of there. They, they're like, Matt, you too much of a fuck nigga for us to stay on. And I say that's one of my biggest fears. Sometimes I talk in my sleep, I'm like, please don't let me say it. Hold on, rich just real quick. Charles. Just five seconds.

He's going to get right back to the show. Jesus Christ. I know a dude. I'm not even going to mention him. I know what dude in Louisiana. He got hit up. I mean, he got shot, right? This is like 16.

He got shot, right? He got shot, not necessarily on purpose, but doing some shit he wasn't supposed to do. I happened to be at home at this time. Oh, no, no, I wasn't at home. I was in L.A. And I get a call from my number, I don't know. And he goes, hey, hey, hey, do me a favor, what? Call so-and-so and tell him to go get my phone.

He was in the hospital. I'm like, what? He was like, hey, call the homie and tell him, go get my phone. And I'm like, bro, are you okay? He's like, I'm a live. Go get my phone. That is not good. Before she gets to my phone.

He's like, go get my phone. I'm like, brother, nobody cares. She's about to start calling people in the phone to tell them that I'm all right or whatever. I don't need her to do that. I don't need. And I'm like, nigger, you need to clean your life up. Yeah. You need to clean.

That's the first day. Call me in the hospital and you're like, don't let my girl get my phone. He's like, go get my phone. But Matt had one of the moments when he woke up anyway, back to the show. Okay. So your thoughts on Murdoch in the episode, like how, well, you're like, to me, I thought reconnecting him with Punisher, reconnecting with Karen, it seems like they attempted to reconnected.

Merdoch slash Daredevil to the version of him that we had known and to the version of him that's going to have to get like super, super aggressive and gully about fighting Kingpin moving forward. So I just felt that so much of the character progression in this episode seemed rush. And like Matt was just kind of going about things in a way where I'm like, oh, for plot reasons, you need him to be here, you need him to be teaming up with X, Y, and Z. But like, perfect example, he hears Buck coming. And I'm just like, oh, that's a classic thing. I hear a killer coming.

I'm going to escape. Then I'm like, oh, but he shows back up at his apartment that Buck and Kingpin knows that he lives at. He just saved Kingpin's life. So you know he's already like, I can't kill anymore. I can't kill anymore. The minute Punisher is there, Punisher's killing everybody out the wazoo. And I'm just like, we know how Matt is feeling about death. and killing and being judged during an executioner.

And there was just a moment where I'm like, we're not going to clean any of this up. We're not going to have like a conversation. He's just going to kind of like yell at Punisher once. And then like they just keep moving. Like I got it. Like I think the tension between Daredevil and Punisher and what it means to be a vigilante and how far you should take it is interesting.

All that is super interesting in a bubble. But because Punisher's only been in this twice this season, I felt like that got muddled and it got rushed. And I was like, wait, we're not going to, same thing. Like, we don't really get a conversation between Matt and Heather or Matt and Kirsten or anybody. They just, when he's like, I need an army, I was like, oh, shit, we're getting the defenders. Luke Cage about to be in his bitch. Jessica Jones is about to pop through.

And then when it's just a bunch of people that he hasn't had any real discussions with in the season finale, I was like, oh, that just seems strange. Even the, even the Karen stuff I thought like was really, really, really. I'm thinking the defenders are going to show up. That's just, that's clown makeup because that was never going to happen. I mean, he said it like he was calling in somebody. Oh, but he said the Army. I was like, well, who can the Army be, bro? Nah, you're not going to pay all those dues to show up for, like, one scene at the end, man.

People were, like, calling for Spider-Man online, too. No, you don't, man. You got to do the- There was a time where I felt Spider-Man was going to swing in. I didn't think that, but I thought maybe Jessica might have shown. I thought they could get it. Here's the thing. Kirsten ain't no Army.

Cherry ain't no army. I don't disagree with you. But that's why you have the getting the team back together, you know, the first part of the heist in season two. I mean, like, hey, yo, we got to go to Harlem and go get Luke Cage. We got to go to wherever Iron Fis be at. We got to go get Jessica Jones. I think that's something you say for season two.

The only shooter you had, like a dumbass, goes to the fucking free ports by himself. I thought, that was another thing. I thought, hey, no, Punisher. I'm like, hey, yo, Punisher, he's going to come war ready. he's going to be like packing whatever he's going to get the task force out of there he's like p p p pout and they all gang up on him and I'm like

was frank always this dumb like I remember him being more strategic you know like he would have sniped those guys from far away the last minute thing yeah like why was he running up on them with a knife and like a handgun I was a little kid I mean they did shoot him three times

in the back with the shotgun and he he survived that up so I mean like ultimately it's kind of you got to pick your poison. I mean, even Matt, Matt got shot what, like, not even 24 hours ago and he's dispatching of the task force, like, is nothing? Yeah, he wasn't a

hospital bed. He was hurt, though. I think, I mean, to talk about the Punisher and Daredevil relationship, I think it works in this episode. The funniest part of the episode to me, like, it's not funny, but it was super funny to me.

They have their back and forth that it's usually do, right? And they find out who killed Hector Ayala. And Daredevil's, like, giving him the once over, then he stops. And then the punishment's like, bet, I'm going to kill this dude. It's like, no, that's not what I want. Oh, you can't do it. The producer's like, oh, for real is really? What about that guy?

Bow! That's hilarious. That's funny. That's so great. No, it's hilarious. But I'm also like, Matt, I'm like, at this point, he doesn't already killed everybody else. You're like, what are we doing? So I don't want to spend the whole episode.

defending story points that the writers of the show did. But I will say this about the Punisher specifically, right? That's kind of the tension with the Punisher. I go back to the Civil War when they're getting all the heroes together. And they invite Punisher. Okay?

They invite Punisher because they need every hand that they can get. So Cap and his group of New Avengers or no, what are they called? called the Secret Avengers. Secret Avengers. Cap and this group Secret Avengers are up against it.

That's what they need everybody if they can get. Yep. So they invite Punisher. Gotta call Draymond when you need them. You got to call Draymond when you need them. He got to call Draymond. That's Punisher.

Punisher is the Dremon. Of the of the MCU. That's who he is. So they call them, right? They call Punisher. Punisher walks in and he sees that there's some villains in there too that they've also called. Yeah. And because they need

everybody that they can get, right? Now, if they're okay with the villains being in their, capping them and mate, he just starts letting loose. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. And then when they look at him, he's like, oh yeah. That's just who he is. So then Cap

has to beat the shit out of Frank Castle. And Frank Castle doesn't even fight him back because he's glazing cap hard. So he doesn't even fight back. So this is kind of the tension with Punisher. Remember, it wasn't Daredevil who called Punisher there. It was Karen.

No, no, no, no. When he gets there, they work. You kind of know who's there. It's like devil in the blue dress. What did Mouse say? Easy. If you didn't want the guy killed, then why did you leave him with me? Like, you know what I mean?

But here's the thing that I just don't understand. All right, so Karen calls Punisher and it's just like, hey, yo, I need you to protect that. Karen's already been tripping because Matt went too far with bulls. bull's eye and all that bullshit. So I'm just like, you already know Matt is going to the dark side and you're like, you know what he needs right now?

Fucking Punisher. Who else can you call it up? It's either that or die. I mean, she's like, you want to pass. Caj, Iyerface, Jessica Jones, Peter Parker. I mean, but it's, it's like the, it seems like it's kind of the bare minimum

just to be like, okay, the relationship they have in this series is like, not forced, but it's definitely rushed. And it's not that like, it's the only person that, Just real quick, not to cut you off, but I'm going to do it. How can we say that the relationship that Matt and Daredevil have is rushed? No, no, not Daredevil.

Frank. Frank. Oh, no, excuse me. Frank. And how can we say that that relationship is rushed when we have legitimately like two seasons? Well, no, because here's the thing in this season, though. We got one episode of basically Daredevil and him talking for 10 minutes about the task force. And Frank bucks off. We don't see him at all.

And now when he pops up, it is just like, not only am I going to protect you, Matt, which I get because Karen called, it's like, now I'm not even going to wait for Daredevil or anybody else. I'm going to the free port to kill all these motherfuckers. And I'm like, emotionally, how did you go from not giving a flying fuck to Matt being like, hey, you're not? No, Karen is basically like, I actually know you care and being like, yep, I do now. It's almost like when a girl try to get you, try to get him activated. Remember, he looked like garbage last time we saw him. I'm activated. Bro showed up.

Tell him to shave. He went to the crib. Why was he? He got the haircut. He shaved. He knew his girl he was coming through. Hey, you want to know what? I want him to ball out.

If you want to, like, put some numbers on the board, you got to be a little bit more strategic about it. You just can't be shown up at the free point. I don't disagree. But at the same time, when is he going to stop being a cuck, by the way? Who? Frank. That was nasty work.

This is a challenge of shit this episode. No, well, he goes down there. He's like, you want some coffee? She's like, I'm good. Actually, me and old boy, we're going to dip out of here. But you take care of yourself on me. I appreciate you what you did for me. I appreciate you saving my boy's life.

But we got to head out. Well, but Daredevil heard he smelled the pheromones. That's why he was like. Well, he hurt the heartbeats too. Yeah, the heartbeat. He was like, hey, I saw you getting excited. Which is also that's lame on Matt's part. Which, by the way, that is why she called him.

She called him. because she needed somebody that she knew was going to go down there. And she knows that he's sweet on her. So she called, not Jessica Jones, Jessica Jones might have been like, fuck you, lady. I don't even like that guy. Luke Cage might have been distracted by Karen.

Oh, girl, what you, like, you girl, shout out Mike. Like, girl, you want me to go down there. What you're going to do for Luke Kay? Oh, no. Iron Fis, he fucks every woman that he says hello to. Just like Matt, Iron Fis is probably somewhere working on his martial arts. Sure, you can hope so. He wasn't going to go down there.

That was going straight to voicemail. So she needed to be able to depend on the person. That's Karen using a little bit of her savvy flipping a switch that she knows the light will come on. But it's just kind of by those metrics, it means like, okay, well, then anybody else that might have had a ten. minute scene scattered throughout this season with Matt would have also been on that. Could have called swordsmen. Could it call swordsman? I mean, I have

a same issue when they reveal that it's the Black Task Force member who killed Hector Ayala. Like, it's staged and it's presented. Like, this is supposed to be like this big emotional moment. Like, oh my gosh, Matt finally found the killer. But I was like,

most of the season wasn't even really about that. So it was like, it kind of felt flat for me when like, Matt is and like super angry about it because I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, like we had a bunch of shit in the middle of the season where it was like, that might as well have happened. I am really surprised that you guys didn't like this. I like this.

It's not that we, I'll speak for myself. It's not that I didn't like it. I just feel like, okay, all of the things that kind of, in the jumbled middle of this season, we kind of cherry-picked the great, like, kind of like tiny moments and then we have to make them way more important for this finale that weren't exactly like built up or to be led to. It's more of like, hey, remember this guy from here? He was important.

Remember that we've got to like, you know, bring this home and like finish up this storyline or like make this matter. Knowing that Frank has to come back because we've just seen him briefly for the rest of the season, obviously that it's reinforced by the fact that he's kind of the one person that can talk to Matt like this. I'm not going to believe it when we call an army and that it's just chair. and all of his buddies. I like the city without fear. I like the idea that he can like rally behind the idea of the people that are closest to him.

And that's ultimately why I think that this was a successful finale. So this is what I'll say. There are things about the finale that worked. So beyond the things that we feel like emotionally didn't make sense in terms of there's some superhero stuff that's going to be anything. We talked about it.

You know, Matt fight with one arm. Him being shot ends up not really mattering. that much in the episode. Like, it doesn't, I thought that maybe that would put some doubt in Kingpin's mind as far as what he wanted to do with Matt, but he didn't. Kingpin just goes, yeah, go kill him.

Do you think that was, like, a weird character choice? Because I, too, thought that, like, we would have, I always knew Kingpin is going to support Vanessa. Like, that is, that's his ride or die. But there was a moment where I was like, oh, I thought we would have one more beat before he's like, hey, yo, Buck, go kill him. Because I'm just like, there is

some type of honor, but between Kingpin and Matt, even if it's fucked up, there is a realization of like, you're a worthy adversary, and it almost felt a little odd. I think that they did that to destroy that notion. Yeah. Okay.

You think so. Yeah, because I don't think that there's any honor between them. I think that there was a shared secret. And the shared secret and the shared trauma ends up not being exactly what we think it is, right? So I think the shooting of Matt, as he's saving Kingpin, if there was that thing that you said that there is,

it would have deepened their relationship, but it didn't. Kingpin is set on the same path that he's always been set on, and it's never going to change. And Matt is set on the same path that he's always been set on, and it's never going to change. And those two paths run right into each other. And it doesn't matter what happens. It doesn't matter who the other players are.

It could be Vanessa, to be frank, to be anyone. Their paths go through one another. and that is something that neither one of them can control. What does he say? He says rather have him die a hero or have a dead hero than a living vigilante. Like it just the vigilante stuff just crushes everything that he holds there. Even if he had that on it, even he had that level of all he said, my life, I'm going to protect him. It's like not.

He's still a vigilante. Oh, I never thought he was going to protect, man. I just thought that there would be more of a more of a more of a, more of a, a couple scenes or just like a notion of like, oh, this man saved my life. Why did he save my life? Like instead of it just being like, there's no,

I kind of wanted like a tiny bit of like introspection and maybe even like if I had, if I really wanted it like something akin to that diner scene in the first episode where they like kind of, they find a way to bring those two together again and talk about where they're at and where they have to like kind of draw a line in the sand and like actually start like fighting, fighting.

As who they actually are. I was actually missing to your point. That's a great point. I was missing maybe like a Matt or a Kingpin or something where I was like that would have felt more like a season finale where this almost felt like by the end of this I was like oh this feels like the middle of a season. Well, it is. Well, yeah, we know that. Well, no, no, no, no, no. But it is.

So it's a season finale. God damn, I'm doing a lot of word for the show. It's a season, but I really enjoyed it. It's a season finale like in name. only, the show will be back in a couple of months. It's a mid-season finale, right? But they didn't market it that way. They marketed it more.

Hold on, hold on. Let's go back to the tape. The original thing was supposed to be 18 episodes or even 22 episodes, right? So this is a mid-season finale in all its forms. This is a mid-season finale. Like, when we've gotten, by the way, just to let you guys know, I fucking hate the mid-season finale. It sucks. I've never enjoyed it, right?

I've never enjoyed it. When they used to, like, end of December and we're like, all right, we'll see y'all in six weeks. I hate the, like, we're coming. I don't, I hate the mid-season finale. But this is really a, it really is a mid, it's a mid-season finale. And to me, it works, the reason why it works as such is because the characters are formed for the adventure ahead. Mm-hmm. What's his name?

Dylan, Danny. Oh, Daniel Blake? I'm talking about the deputy mayor, Michael Imperial. Yeah. Oh, right. It's Daniel, right? This is it Daniel? Yeah, Daniel.

Okay, Daniel, his character is now fully formed, right? Kingpin's character is now fully formed. Daredevil's character is now fully formed. The characters that we had questions about earlier on, what they were going to be, these characters are now ready for story. Right. They're igniting. Heather, in a way, is fully formed, right?

There's ambiguity there, but she's fully formed. everybody had to make choices in this episode that deepened their commitment to what it is that they have to do. And I think that's the reason why I look at it as a successful series, mid-season finale, season finale, whatever, is because as we were asking questions about, like, who these characters were and why they were doing the things that they were doing, I feel like in this episode and in the last particularly three episodes, we've kind of gotten answers to those. I mean, I guess there was just a lot of, hey, Benson and Moorhead, the guys who directed Moon Night, are coming back. We refilmed the beginning and the end, and there was a lot of just like,

we got this back on track. And I guess for this mid-season, season finale, whatever you want to call it, I was looking for, like, can this make me excited? Like, I was looking forward to the Daredevil and Punisher fight. And to me, I was like, like a little lacking. Like it wasn't bad, but there was almost a level of them just like, oh, this is supposed to be the set piece that is really going to be like, I trust your vision for what's coming next. And instead I was like, oh, this still just feels very, very small and very contained.

And like I said, not bad. It's just like instead of it being like a 1010, it was just like, all right, that was like. I wouldn't disagree, but I don't think that was supposed to be. I don't think that was supposed to be a moment. I think the moment we're supposed to be like, oh, this is their vision for the show. This is what to do is when. Kingpin turns Gallo's head into a watermelon. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, that scene for me was like, because obviously, like, we know Gallo's not really messing with Kingpin's plans, and he tries to snitch to fake Felicia Rashad. Right. And she doubles back. And snitches on him. Fucking disrespectful. What's up?

Oh, my God. Double cross there? Actress has so much time in the game. That's not, but that's not. And the call her fake Felicia Rashad is so fucking crazy. Time about it. Time out. It's not the actress.

It's the character. Okay. I don't know. I'm cleaning out. It's the character. Wait, bring up her IMDP. She's been right.

That's not the actress. It's the character. That's nuts. It's the character. I don't like the Sheila Sucks. Oh, my God. It's not the actress. I'm not being mad at the actions.

I'm being mad at the character. Why she's... Commissioner Gallo was my guy. And she snitched on him. No. It's not Janitoris. Not Janitoris. All right.

We dig it out of him. You want to play Sheila? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Sabrina Guevara. Sabrina Rivera, I thought we should have told him. No, Sondjia. What?

Man, do you get? What? I have no disrespect for the actress. It's the character because Sheila sucked the whole season. Yeah. She was, she was dick and Daniel Blake around when we still liked him. And now she did my homie Gallo dirty. Sent him to the gulag.

But once again, the episode in itself is about them making choices. Exactly. And she chose up. Everyone that we thought in the mayor's orbit that might possibly stand in Kingpin's Way chose to be a part of his arm. They all bent the knee. Everybody bent the knee, right? Daniel Blake goes to the council who's like, hey, I seen that Cayman Islands account.

That's kind of crazy, man. I don't know. All of y'all got secrets. We go. They all got to get back the safer initiative thing. I think the Gallo part of it is the moment where they're trying to be like, this is a different show or not this is we're doing something different right remember the violence on Netflix right going Disney Plus even on Game of Thrones when Pedro Pascal uh spoilers for game of

thrones if you haven't seen in a thousand years when uh the mound's got Pedro Pascal's head they cut before we see the thing as well easy too easy not this time he's got the head and he like turns it and even I was like yo like watching out my couch I was like I guess but that is my I guess that's actually my issue where it's like I think if you were in a board room and you were panicking because you got the dailies back from the first version of Daredebel Born again, you're like, ugh, it's not the breezy,

MCU, quippy shit ain't hitting. I think in a boarding, you're like, well, what did people like about the Netflix show? You're like, well, the violence. And I'm just like, no, no, no, no, no. The violence was backing up the story choices. The violence was backing up the atmosphere and the world that they put you in.

Because when you read a Daredevil comic, when you read those Frank Miller comics or Brubaker or Bendis, what they're so great at doing is putting you in this Norish world. And I think I get what you're saying because I'm just like, hey, I was excited. I'm just like, hey, Punisher and Daredevil and Kingpin can finally start doing what we know they're supposed to be doing. Yeah. But like some of the violence still felt very cartoony because it wasn't, it wasn't, there wasn't a foundation of like drama and intrigue to it that's supposed. important. Not to be entirely reductive to both this or House of the Dragon, but do you remember when we were

like at the end of the first season of House of the Dragon, basically the sentiment it was like, okay, now the war really begins. And at the end of season two of House of the Dragon, it's like, okay, now the war really begins. I kind of feel like that's kind of where we're at the end of this season, where we're like, all right, now these

characters are really going to get activated. And regardless of whether or not the behind the scenes like course correction is like going to be the case for season two, that's kind of how I feel about this where we're like, all right, all of the characters that we know and love are back. This is kind of the episode zero declaration

of intent. Get ready to see all of the things that you're that you know this character to be. Because now all of this has returned. And I think that's a lot of Disney Plus shows. It's like, all right, now we're ready. So this is a part of it where I feel like that so in the 90s

Jack in a Box had an E. coli-Scare Sure. Jack. I don't remember this one. I remember the Chipotle one. You guys were, you guys were baby. Babies, like Jack in the box had.

They never recovered. It was a, it was an E. coli scare of some, look at this. This is in 92 and 93. Yeah. So, like, for a long time when I saw Jack in a box, because they didn't have Jack in a Box in Louisiana, right?

But for a long time when I saw Jack in a Box, I thought you die eating the burgers. Like, you died. That's what I thought. Like, you're looking it up right now? Yeah. It was in 1992 and 93. So there was an Ecoli scare.

And then, so like later on, they put a jack in the box right on the corner of Burbank and Gardier. And one of my friends went and was like, hey, yo, that jack in the box is fucking hidden. Oh, man. I'm like, for real? It's like, yeah. Like, we didn't have it. Louisiana, that jack in the box is fucking hidden. Like, that shit is actually really good.

So I go there and I decide, you know what? I'm going to give Jack in the Box a chance as its own burger. Right. I'm not going to think about 1992. I'm not going to think about the E. coli. Is this Jack in the Box working for me? Right. At some point, we got to do that with the Disney Plus stuff.

For sure. We do. And the only reason why I say that is because we got to eat the new burger. And the only reason why I say it is because this. When you say that, like, now the fight really begins, every show is like that. No. Every show is like that. Every show.

Every certain type of show is like that. Every show that is a massive good versus evil show. Uh-huh. Get you to a point to where it is, it's been development, development, development, development. Now these characters are really ready to go to war. I can name you that episode at Ozark. I can name you that episode in The Sopranos. I can name you that episode.

In the Sopranos, legitimately the war between New York and, And Jersey was the least, it was the least compelling part of it. The build up to the war, where Tony has literally gone to the mattresses, he's got the big AK-47 with him at the end. They're like, okay, now it's time to start fighting. We've had enough of it, right?

Right. So that is nothing new. What I'm saying here is to get to that point, a couple of things had to happen, in my opinion. One, you needed fully formed allegiances and points of view. which I thought this episode did. Number two, the city had to be primed for it. They legitimately cut the lights back off at this point.

So the city had to be primed. It had to be prime real estate for this war to happen. And the city is under martial law, right? And then number three, you had to have the players on the chess board back in a position to make their stand or their strike. Right? So the fact that it's actually just happened. now or the fact that it's we've just gotten to the point to where it makes sense

it's just a function of storytelling i think i think part of that is also just the production of the show right yeah hard to do that when you got to like go back after the first six episodes and retooled and rejigger the entire operation right and so you find a way i mean if we really think about it in my head it's probably like season 0.5 up daredevil right because of everything they had to go through. You need, to Van's point, you've got to have everybody on two sides of the aisle so then whenever the next season comes out,

they can get to it. But here's the thing. I push back on that because it's like when we talk about Last of Us, or we talk about and or it, most of our conversation isn't like, wait, how did they get to this point? Wait, when is this character coming back? Did it not? Because you're so invested in the story and the choices that people are making make enough sense where

like you trust the hands at play for this I was like there was a level of by the time the big reveal was the free ports I was like well I don't know there was a big reveal Charles by the way they are killing last of us like people will it's people like

but I wouldn't even say that though but people are people are not enjoying some of the things in the last of us but I wouldn't even say that though I think for that but last of us and Star Wars you mentioned we know who the bad guys are right we know it's the empire and we know zombies and the fireflies and all that stuff.

We know where the two sides are. For this show, you kind of have you like, all right, cool, kingpin and daredevil, but it's not as solidified until the end, whereas when you go into Star Wars, you know the Empire are the ops. You go into Last Wars. You know the zombies and the fireflies are the ops. So you don't have to do a lot of legwork. But that's not a problem where it's like this entire season there has been,

because my complaint is, who matters? is fighting is kind of so nebulous where it's like we don't get really a mention of muse. Muse might as well have not been in the whole fucking series. Didn't really matter. The vigilante task force, by the time they revealed who killed Hector Ayala, I'm like, we didn't get enough time with that. I don't even know that character's name. So it was a level of him like when Matt's protecting him, I'm like, I don't know why

really this guy's motivated to be in the task force. I don't really have any backstory for it. It's just like there are a bunch of jobbers. And it's like, all right, and now Kingpin has a white suit on, but I know who Kingpin is. So I just do think that the show had a really tough time investing me in villains that weren't Kingpin. And I just think that is a failing of the shadow. And you know what the crazy thing is? Is like, so when I look at the Visuality Task Force, I don't look at them as individuals.

I do look at them as. And so I'll tell you, I think the Visuality Task Force actually had a very successful arc this season, right? Because they start off as an underground, and they're not supposed to be individual characters. They are like the Tracksuit Mafia. Yeah. Right. They're like. Stormtroopers.

Stormtroopers. They're one group, right? So if you look at who it is that the Vigilini Task Force worships, they worship the Punisher. They worship the Punisher because the Punisher colors outside the lines to get at a goal that only he thinks, is appropriate, right? The elimination of all people who are bad, no matter what way that you do it. They are police officers

who have had to color inside of lines and are watching, this is only me getting this from the show, and are watching vigilantes color outside the lines do things that they can't. Right. So they are essentially cops who think that their code of policing

and being the avenging angels of New York, that they're being held back by a group of people who have a freedom to do stuff, but haven't gone through the things that they need to do to actually wear the mantle for real. So they look up to the Punisher, right? Yeah. Okay. So no one, but they have to do it in secret

because nobody has given them the go-ahead to be who they want to be. They are being pushed to the bottom. And then you have people like Murdoch, who are calling them out. People like Murdoch who are calling them out, people like the vigilantes who are making them feel small. What they want to be is seen and empowered.

And Kingpin does that in this episode. He goes, look, no body cams, no laws, no due process, no nothing. Your way is the right way. They think that he's doing that for them, but he's doing it for him. He is the emperor. They are his stormtroopers. They are his goons.

But the show kind of presents the killer of Hector in this last episode, like it was a mystery. Like, it was just like, Matt's like, oh, you killed Hector? I'm just like, it even seems like the characters. But honestly, I don't think that it's played like a big deal because I don't think that it is a big deal. I think that Matt has actually moved on past caring about who's killed Hector because really the way Frank even reveals that to him, he goes, oh, there's your guy. And then Matt goes, oh, my God, this guy killed Hector.

Matt has not been, to the credit of the show, Matt has not been on a six-episode search for the killer of white type. But Kirsten, in the last episode, was just like you're spinning out. He's like, Hector, you're dealing with Hector, you're dealing with this, you're dealing with that. So, like, sometimes I'm like, the show, to me, doesn't know, like, it's not telling me how much Matt really cares about this. Because I actually think if his partner is being like, I've seen you, and it's like the loss of this man is weighing,

on you, then I'm going into the finale being like, oh, this is one of the things that's kind of making him break bad, but like they're not, Matt's not playing it like that. So that's kind of where my confusion is a little bit, where I'm like, how much does this actually matter? Why are you actually protecting this man from being killed?

I don't know. I mean, that's his thing. That's, that's, it's daredouble. He just, he just what? He just watched punishment. He literally was like, punish her. I mean, he didn't watch. No, no, no, no, no. See, this is the thing. So it's weird. So Matt has a, and this is the thing I like about the show,

and I'll stop taking up so much oxygen after this. Matt is a human fighter character, right? So if Superman's in that room or even Batman, who has more resources, if Superman's in that room, Superman can kill everybody in one fell swoop and then hold Frank accountable. if Batman's in that room

Batman can do the thing where he is saving a bunch of people and watching a Punisher do his thing like the Civil War at the beginning of it Bucky is trying to beat up all of those guys

and Cap is superpowered so he can both save them He's catching them off the stairwell He's jumping around he's at, Bucking, Bucking ain't even trying to kill nobody. Captain just wants to make sure he can't do it. Matt, legitimately can't do that. He can't do things almost like that. He's a human being

and he's shot. So he has to save his life and then when he can, he has to keep an eye on Frank. Frank just killing people. So when he can stop Frank from killing somebody, he does. Or at least try.

Like when he can stop him from doing it, when he was like, oh, this is the guy he does. But he literally this character sometimes is about litigating the limits of what a guy like him can actually do. And in that situation before

him like stopping Frank means that the vigilante task force runs a train on his corpse. So he legitimately can't do it. But when he can, he does. And that's like to me, the whole thing about Daredevil. Right, Johnny. No, you're good. You're good.

I think I mean, to kind of like move on a little bit, I think the big, not a big thing, but something that I think we haven't touched on yet was about the task force is that scene kind of near the middle, I imagine, where they shoot that guy outside the looting, right?

They shoot him. He was like, yo, he's just a kid, and then they put the bass down. He's like, he's not a kid. He's a vigilante. Yeah. And I'm like, you know. Now, how does that not work for you?

That's other than, no, no, yeah. Blow him up, bro. But the deal is, that's what they've always wanted to do. do. Yes. Like what they've always wanted to do is not have to worry about any laws, any rules, anything.

Yeah. And just when they see a threat or when they see somebody doing something wrong, shoot first, ask questions. Eliminate them. They just, they've taken the punishers ethos. Yeah. And they've mutated it. They've bastardized it.

And it hits, like, alarmingly close to home and close to reality, which was like, this is a very, like, conscious and, like, great thing that I think the show was very aware of, even from the start. Like, what? Oh, you panthering? You want to talk about it? You don't think that that's... Go ahead. Give it to it to us, Steve.

Give it to us... No, no, I'm done. Steve, Patrice Cullors. Give it, like... Like, give us the... Come on, tell us about it, Steve. Tell us about... Steve, do it now.

I did it. Sell him a Steve, no, that's not... You've only half done it. Right. We need the full context of what is like being a black man in America and getting with the police. So let me tell you about...

Jesus, sir. Come on. Come on. No, no, no. But I think this, like, the show became very, like, conscious about the fact that, like, you know, the idea that cops can distort that level of power, no matter who, no matter what, like, tyrant gives it to them. Yeah, word out. To use, like, all right. No, I'm actually agree.

I gave him shit, but he's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I gave him shit, but he's right. We fuck, I'm fucking right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, to his point, it was something that's, like, it's too real. And it speaks to why, when Frank goes down to. get the Viginali tasker out of here. Kind of like, hey, man, Matt might need to sit this one out, brother. Like, let him, let him cook. You know, and it's, yeah, it's just,

it's one of those scenes where you understand what they're trying to do in terms of the task force and why going forward it's going to be. And it's not even heavy-handed. It works completely, like, correctly with the narrative of the show. I don't even say heavy-handed. It's just like right there. No, no, but I mean heavy-handed in the way

and we're like, oh, boy, here they go, preaching the yada, yada. And, like, it's not a. Oh, wow. Three things. Pola Springs. We carried a lot of fucking water this episode. That shit sucked. It was funny.

It's like, we're not. I think it sucked. Like, it is, so to me it worked. Like, I legitimately thought it was a great finale. Like, I just, the only reason why I say I'm carrying water is because, how can I put it? This is why I say. And everybody's going to be so pissed. Like, Vez, oh, I'm Mickey Miles's dick.

Because you, you don't, you don't, you're going to, you don't, you're glazed sheriff now. I'm the glaze sheriff. You are the, oh, yeah, the Glaze Sheriff. You're the Glaze. That was the glaze of the week. That was the glazed week. I could, maybe, maybe I'm the man.

I feel like there's a little glazing going on. I don't think so, though. And the only reason why I say it is because, look, we've always, we all talked about like our, like, our bars and stuff like this. Sure. So, number one, I don't need more character development between Matt and Punisher.

That's fair. I don't need any more. Like, I know, like, for example, if we're watching Captain America 4 or whatever and Steve and Stephen Anthony Mackey Steve and Sam Wilson if they see each other I don't need to know anything else about their backstory

I don't need to know nothing more I don't need them to re-contextualize their relationship I don't need anything they are going to meet each other where they see each other and then they are going to have reactions to who the person is but they're going to fall back into it right

I don't need anything else. I don't need to, if Punisher would have come in, they could have actually not had the Punisher scene in the, they probably should have cut that scene. Which one? The earlier Punisher scene. Oh, from like episode four? If you're going to cut either Punisher scene, you cut that,

if the Punisher would have dropped into this, this situation right here, side unseen, nothing. We had never seen the Punisher before. It would have worked just fine. Interesting. But to me, the Punisher in this episode, is like when he goes to take out the task force, that's what, like, when I talk about like development,

I'm more so talking about if I got a, I was talking about that situation right there, specifically between Matt and Frank, which was a criticism. It just doesn't make any sense in my opinion with respect. To criticize that, because the characters have so much screen time together. For sure.

And they're so knowledgeable by who each other is. When they meet each other, Matt's going to be like, it's kind of good to. to see you, but I don't want your kind of help. That that's their relationship. No, no, but I get that. What I'm then asking for is, yo, there is an entire, the NYPD has co-opted the Punisher's

skull is doing all this shit. If I haven't seen Punisher in real world time, what? Last time we saw him was five, six years ago in his own series, I think. You're talking about before, before this, before this, right? The Punisher series, I think, was the last time he saw him. And then we only see him in episode four and he pops up. The way he's moving all the relationships, I'm like, yeah, no, I get the, like, stencil of all this shit. But me, as a viewer, I am like, yo, what has Punisher been doing?

Well, all of them have been running around. Why does it only take one person be like, you should care? And then he goes off and does something. I mean, to be fair, that, like, that is a pretty good person to tell him that he should care. Because of how, like, emotionally starts the- He's not going to kill the police. I mean, he just did. He did.

He killed the police after they broke bad. They had already broken bad. Depends on how you look at it, right? So he might not have known that they killed Hector. But he did know that they killed Hector. It's ultimately like the call to adventure. Whatever, but he was giving tabs on them. Am I wrong?

No, this is what I'm saying. What I'm saying is him, like, they are in the thing trying to kill daredevil. Yes. Right? And he's been asked to go in there. And now he's not killing police officers anymore because they're not police officers. officers anymore. Right.

But they weren't police officers. But maybe I was totally reading, I think it was episode four when he came in. I had gotten the sense that he knew about the vigilante task force. He had been keeping tabs on them. But he was kind of like washed out in terms of just like he didn't really have a reason to fight, right? Yeah. I mean, well, to be fair, what?

Maybe I'm confused. We meet him in episode four. They're like, hey, yo, they're co-opting your little thing. It's like, that don't matter. It's not really a real thing. because we didn't get the vigilante task force to like, what, episode five? They weren't even formed until like five.

They were like a group of cops that were almost like... A little quick. Yeah, they were a little central... They weren't called the vigilante task force. No. But there had already been like this secret cabal of NYPD officers

that were taking matters into their own hands. Yes, right? What I understood. Yeah. And then throughout all this time, the thing that the show I don't think did a great job doing was like, solely but surely they're becoming more and more corrupt.

obviously they dip the dude's hand in the friar they're like they're taking their responsibility for the muse shit I guess all I was wondering is I'm just like Punisher was kind of acting like a like an idiot where I'm just like

the Punisher is a hothead he's like loose with like the rules and everything but he's smart like when he goes on a killing spree he has a purpose he knows what he's doing he's good at his job and this was like a time where I'm like this Punisher isn't operating like he is like a force to be wrecking with good at his job. And that's maybe where he's just at.

Well, sometimes he does just flash out now. Yeah. And he was living in like a basement. And also, if you tell me, if you tell me your group. I'm not saying that I'm not, look,

I don't even understand, I'll be honest with you, my biggest nitpick of the episode is, I don't understand what the purpose of getting him caught. That's just to set up their punisher movie. Yeah. He didn't have to get caught. Yeah.

Him getting caught and then him to get out. We'd to see swordsmen in the cage as well. Because really, they should, my biggest nitpick about the episode is they're so brutal, but they didn't kill those guys. They should just killed those guys, right? They've killed so many, like, if you realize Punisher's not going to be on your team, then you should just kill him. If you realize.

He left alive, yeah. Right. So what I'm interested in, but I'm interested in knowing why. He's left a lot. Why they left those guys alive? Because even like, why would you kill Matt and then save the Punisher would be my question? Because I'm just like, they both dangerous. You know what I mean?

Right. So, I mean, I think that the cops not killing Punisher is different than Kingpin not killing him. No, but Kingpin walked. I thought Kingpin and Vanessa walked by. That's what I'm saying. So I'm making a distinction. The Visuality Task Force not killing them. I mean, that's like Kobe killing Jordan, right?

Like, you're going to try to see if he's going to play basketball first, right? So, like, them not killing them is different than Kingpin not killing him. them not killing him is like, all right, they offered him like, join us, Luke. And then he says, no, but maybe they still want to keep him around, I hope so they'll change his mind, or he's too much of a symbol for, for, to be killed. Or maybe they want to see what Kingpin wants to do with him. Kingpin not killing him doesn't make a lot of sense to me, because he's just going to fuck your shit up. But even swordsmen, like, but all of those people that are in there, I want to know why they're keeping them alive.

I really do. They can use swordsmen's bread, right? That's what I'm saying. Maybe there's a reason that they're trying to break them. But I don't want to know why he's keeping them alive. Can I also just be like for real while we're in the jail? If you've watched any movies, but he's like, hey, yo, you're from Jersey. I'm from Jersey.

He's like, let me check your hand. I'm like, oh, come on. Bro. You have no. He don't know better. No. No. Glazing.

This is why you can't glaze. He was glazed. He was glazing. He was glazing will get you killed. Pudisher looked at him and was like, oh, yeah, that's a eater. I did. That's food. He said that's food. That's what he was like, oh, he's bad. His eyes is like, oh, I'm from Jersey. I can tell him. It's weird seeing him charisma his way around something.

That's what Trump did to Bill Maher, bro. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Wow. That's what Trump did to Bill Maher. Trump was like, oh, shit, look at them lips. That's an eater. Oh, my God. God. Let me tell you about that. Let me tell you about that. That's what he did. And like, he looked at him. He was like, yeah, come out. Shake your hand. You You dumb bitch. What the fuck is going? What you thought he was going to shake your hand? And take a selfie with your dog?

Yeah, you dumb bitch. Also, this man just kill all your homies, what, a half hour early? He's like, but I'm the one that he's been waiting to me. I'm special, yeah. Come on. That's how that women be acting. Again. Oh, no, no, no.

I thought you weren't talking about women. That's how, but I'm saying it's like, I'm going to be the one to change him. Think about, like, the fourth chick that get pregnant about future, at some point, you got to take responsibility. All right. I apologize. You should have told Andy Edwards. Anthony Edwards, once again.

But look, that's working out for them, though. Well, actually, you know what? It's working out for them. Because it is working out. Is it? Yeah, it's working out. I mean, all right. You don't think it's working out to the way?

So, their devil didn't go to the report. I apologize. Because their devil was like, there's too many bodies. There's too many people. Punisher should have taken our same note. But it's just like, no, I got it. I'm a solo all these guys. It didn't really work out.

Karen looked at him was like, yo, dog, you can't do this by yourself. But Karen, Karen said a Punisher. I'm like, Karen. But he went there for a reason. Maybe Punisher and Masha had gone together. But he went there for a reason. Daredevil thought about doing it,

but then he didn't do it. Yeah. So ultimately, like, who would you rather having to fight Punisher or Daredevil? If Daredevil was not going to make it out of their solo alive, then there's no chance of Funnisher. Karen needed to sit both her men down and be like, hey, yo, play nice.

You're going to go to the free port together. and then fuck some shit up. Let's talk about the return of Karen. Yeah. I thought it was a triumphant return. I missed her. I was happy to see her. I don't know what kind of flight.

Yeah. Did she drive there? You know, she took a flight. It was a quick flight. But she got there. Wait, wait, because she, she and where was she? San Francisco. Wait, so she was in San Francisco.

She took the Concord. That's the fans of shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Matt got shot the previous day. Right? She got on a plane. She got on a plane. She got on a plane.

She called she was just lying and was just living in Jersey. Maybe that's another thing. She might have been like, you know, Nightcrawler exists in MCU now, just bam, you know, right to New York. You know, night crawler has to see where he is. Yeah, but he just bathed across the country. Or she took a stark jet of some sort. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Like, or to his point, she wasn't it really in San Francisco. Y'all was around the corner? She was in Jersey. You know girls that said they moved away. Just to get away. I know a girl that did that. She lied and said she would move away.

They didn't do it to me. I saw, so I was like, Crystal, I thought you moved back to Houston. She was like, I didn't move back to Houston. But, like, Jeremy will not stop calling me. I live in Gonzales. I'm like, nigga Gonzalez is like five miles away. He's going to find you. He's going to find you.

He's going to find you. It was insane. And it's so funny, that really happened. And then it's so funny when I could never look at Jeremy the same. because I looked at it. I was like, Jeremy was like, yeah,

you're trying to come over and play mad? I was like, hey, bro, Lee Crystal alone. He was like, what? I was like,

my bad. Out of context. Out of context. Out of context. I was like, leave her alone. Don't say nothing to her. And we get over there,

we play in the mad and he go, yeah, you seen Chris? I'm like, nah, I ain't seen it, but she's living in Houston. Anyway,

wait, whoa, he was. Please don't tell me this woman's go. Chrisel, yeah, Chrisel,

oh, shit. Jeremy, go find her down. You saved him. This was 2003. Plus, we,

we, niggas, after that, we stopped fucking with Jeremy. He was like, Jeremy, you were weird. Like,

I didn't know that she looked, I didn't know that she stopped fucking with them because of that. Like, I really didn't. I thought that they

was just regular shit. Yeah. That's scary. Gonzalez is more to five miles away. She moved to Gonzalez. I'm like, we can't fuck with this

nigga. Like, he got somebody running from him. That was fucked up too because that nigga was nice on the game. Anyway, um.

but we stop fucking with him this is this has not been your greatest show since Sierra Gate it is you've been doubling down I just be honest with y'all I don't know what y'all what y'all want to take from that story

we stop fucking with the nigga we all got together as a crew but he was he wasn't good on the game on the sticks you don't have to do that well look but see here's the thing for me it would be easy if we never

liked the nigga then it would be easy to not fuck with him but you had to resign the fact that you're just like, man, he's weird to women, but man, he's good at the game. I don't know.

He's a weirdo, but this is not really a hard decision. This shows me why everything is going wrong. I'm telling you right now that we did the right thing. Because look, because I'm saying, like, we liked him,

but then we found out that there was actively a girl that we know that he used to fuck with that was not, uh, that like, had said that she moved, that moved out of the city. Because he was weird.

Because he was weird, right? And so once we learn that, because I was like, I said, hey, leave Crystal alone. And then I'm not going to name no more names. It's like, hey, what do you mean by that? I'm like, this is funny. It's like, what did you mean by that? I'm like, bro, I seen Crystal and she said that she actually is not in Houston. She's in Gonzales because she running from Jeremy, whatever.

My nigga goes, well, obviously he can't come over to play Madden. Oh, okay. Well, that's good. And he was like, man, and Jesus, like, obviously. And I'm like, yeah, you're right. obviously you can't come over to play Madden and then somebody brought it up and they ended up fighting and all of this stuff

and then he became... They ended up fighting? Yeah, they had to fight. So... Did they have to fight? Well, this is what happened. So we was going someplace and he wanted to ride and it was like, no, you can't ride.

And then it came to a head. Then it came to a head. Then it came to a head. And so then that starts the, I don't like you thing. And in Baton Rouge, if you don't like somebody, You have to fight them. There's no, what?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In Baton Rouge, if you say, man, I don't like that, nigga. That means y'all got, y'all ought to fight. Because, like, people can't just, like, not like each other in peace? No, no, no, no, no. So things, everybody want to fight, put their hands on them. And, like, once it was known that we, because we only knew her through him.

Okay. And so he felt like, so he felt like we were just being haters. But we honestly thought it was weird that someone moved away Absolutely Yes, absolutely And so my guys

Never wanted to be around That type of thing Ever My guys Ian, Gino, Trey Ryan Bryant We never wanted to be around That type of thing

Because it was niggas like that Some niggas That have gone on to be quite successful It was it was it was It was niggas like that We never wanted to be around them So we was like It's over

Like we don't want to hang out with him. But I do remember that we liked him. That's all I was saying. Before you knew that. Before we knew that, we liked him. I was just saying it was weird. You could have just said he a weirdo. But he was good at him at it. That's the part where I'm like, you even have to add the last shame.

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And when we're back, we're so good at that. We probably should talk more about Karen because she was in the large part of the episode. Yeah, large part. Triumph in return. I love seeing Karen again. Like, you know, I don't think, like,

I know I have not honored her enough. Maybe wasn't my favorite part of the Netflix series. But you know sometimes the old shit comes back. It makes the heart grow fonder, man. It does because she came back and I'm like, hell yeah. This is the show. It was actually. Now it's the good stuff.

It was insane how much better this episode was with her and Punisher around. It was crazy. Matt actually talking to somebody, he's got like solid chemistry with Heather. I won't like deny that. But it was different with Karen, man. It was different. When they're looking through the files and they go out, avocados at law, I don't know what that is.

I was like, this is what it means, man. Can you be so to me, man? Come on, dog. Like, it was, that's what the show is missing. Yeah. Is Matt a little bit of a creeper, though? Because, like, once he started being like, yeah, I was listening to y'all heartbeat. I was like, all right.

I mean, she didn't get paid by it. He was telling women what they had for breakfast that morning. Yeah. He's not. But Karen, but he's a little bit of a weirdo. But Karen knows the deal. That's why she was just like, ah, I knew you were. You know, she's.

Like, ah, games to game, player. I would crash out if I'm like, if I roll up and I hear her heart skip a beat once Punisher starts talking, I'll be like. Oh, I'm popping an alt. You pop it off? You're popping up? I was thinking about that real quick, though.

When he was going crazy, I literally was at my couch. I was like, judge, jury, executioner. Oh, what I was like? You're a Jeremy. You're like, you know, y'all some Jeremy. I don't know. Wait, wait, wait, wait. you're going so her heart beats for another man

you're going to crash out what do crash out mean Jeremy you're going to have to say to gonzalez this is a new thing you can't be a Jeremy and by the way nigga if you know I'm talking about you I don't give a fuck but like you but I don't go go fuck I don't well first of all I don't have super

fucking here it so it's just not having right but you know what that'll break your heart in that room when they're talking to that point you just get the feeling that they have a strained love of There's a chemistry and a connection.

And she's confident. Yes. That caring character, shout out to Deborah Crowell. That caring character, no. Deborah Ann Wall. Debra Ann Woll. Shout out to Debra Ann Woll. She's amazing.

She's amazing. That character has come so far because she is totally confident, totally capable. She actually is a step ahead of Matt and Punisher. It was great to see her back. And the show has been missing.

The groove that the show hits when both him and Karen and, like, breast and piece of pocket, but, like, the fact that the three of them were bouncing off of each other for as quickly as it was, they were like, oh, man, we have something. Like, why would you ever, like, let this go away? Like, this is all that we've ever wanted to see the three of these people bounce off of each other. It's exactly what the show needed at the end of a finale because, like, you kind of actually, like, breathed desire of relief. Like, she was a sight for sore eyes in a show that was, like, really missing something.

And then it definitely was her. And this is why when you're like, man, the episode, I'm like, dog, maybe you're right. Maybe all your complaints about this episode are correct. But for me, I'm watching the show with Matt, with The Punisher, with Ken. And I'm like, it's just nice to see these people on screen and interacting again. We spent like seven episodes with strangers, dog. Matt talking, only talking to the same people, like they don't exist outside of Matt's purview.

They're just like, right. Like once he stopped seeing him, they don't exist, right? And to see like these characters that we know have their own lives outside of Matt and have them bouncing around again, it was just like, brother, where was this? Yeah, but here's the thing. I end up judging shit based on, I'm like, if we got eight hours and the seven hours were Rocky to get there,

But the end, I still was like, hey, man, it might have been a fine episode. It wasn't terrible. It was like a fine episode. But I'm like, I remember them those seven hours. That was, it wasn't as enjoyable as it needs to me. You know what's funny is maybe. So the N-word, we know what the N-word is, right? Steve, what is the N-word?

Oh, come on. Say it. It's my birthday. I give you permission. It's your birthday. What happened in no race? No race. I'm taking my shirt off.

No, no, on this podcast? No, no, no, no. I'm higher learning live show. My shirt will be off. Oh, wow. It's already sold out. I probably oiled up. Yeah, we sold out.

Oiled up? Yeah, we sold out in less than a day. Hell yeah. Nice. What, Gramacy Theater, bitch, I didn't sold out the Grams Street Theater. Fuck you, ho. Now, there's one N-word called nigger. Yes.

And there's one called Nitter. Okay. A nitpicker. Oh. Knitpicker? Nitter. I want to Is that what they was doing on

Arthur? Arthur. He's a knitter! Nitter! What you're talking about? There was an episode of Arthur where they said, oh, hell no.

Yeah, yeah. That's y'all generation. Y'all like to fuck with y'all like that. Neater, knit her me. They did say, that's canon. Yeah. Literally, like, okay, well, then give me a drop-up.

I got it. I got it. Yeah. Why? What does it mean in their language? My own eyes. Departion. Oh, nice.

Depart. You old young york. Pink woolen thread most shameful. It's not pink. Oh, bro. Hey, bro. On some real shit? That's not okay, dog.

I'm being totally for real. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, all just aside. Let me, let me, like, wait, hold on for a sense. Oh, it's a great show. No, no, bro. I'm 45 years old. It's like, bro, on some real shit, that's not a, Okay, that's some writers.

They're trying to pull on some slitch shit. Wait a minute. Steve, yes. Yes. That's some writers somewhere. Look up the writers at this show. I'm like, bro, I'm so serious right now. Like, I'm like, I'm so serious.

It's the way that they made a song out of it. No, bro. No, fuck that shit, dog. Hold on. I'm being so serious. There's some writers. Pull up the, pull up the writers in this. Don't put the writers on.

Bro, it's something I'm telling you, bro, I don't like shit like that. The writers of that show is somewhere, they fucking around, they hide, they try to say the N-word,

and they put it in the children's show. That's not okay. Nigger, I'm so fucking dead ass right now. Like, that's not okay. I'm gonna put that in higher learning. I'm gonna put that in higher learning tomorrow. Actually, no, I can't

because he's got to live on the Midnight Boys. But that, I never seen that before. Nitter. Why they say it? Nitter. They really meant it. All right.

All right. And y'all wonder why niggas like Chet Hanks grow up and they start saying shit. A lot of things make sense now. Shout out to my niggins, but why do you, don't give a shout out to my niggie, bro. I'm like, I've been doing Chet. Look, like, man, I'm-Gaw-Gaw. Hey, Chet, I'm proud of all your success. Everybody go watch Running Point on Netflix, right?

Like, niggas not perfect, but they still fun to hang out with. That's actually a bar. Are they good at Madden 2? Are they? All right, Steve got his wig back Right, I see you Oh my God Yeah

Gotta give it up Nothing like a callback burn But yeah, so I felt like I felt like Okay, so your nitpick I'm a knitter You're a knitter But we're all knitters

But we're gonna put nitter In the pantheon of midnight of quarter flipping because look I'm going to be honest with you guys the MCU is about to go on a run I got a feeling that there's going to be some quarter flips in here pretty soon

I'm looking at the Thunderbolts plot there's probably going to be some quarter flipping in there okay we got to I need to know what happened to my girl taskmaster don't just kind of there they got some shit to answer forward to shopping her out of air air brushing they like don't worry about it Not in no trailers.

She's only on a poster. That's it. Only on the Wheaties box. They are treating Taskmaster like a side bitch on Christmas Day. Yeah. Like, I'm serious. Like, Tasmasters just out of the whole thing. And Taskmaster's so cool.

Not that Tasmania. Not the idea of Taskmaster. Here's the thing. Not to really litigate, but it's like, all right, Taskmaster. We know who he is in the comics. He's a smart ass. He's talking. He's bullshitting.

Why would they be like, you know what we should do? Deadpool and X-Man Wolverines origins, you know what I'm saying? That's a good point. You know what? Yeah, just like make a mindless killer assassin-type situation. Maybe that's what they're doing. Maybe when we get there is going to be some whitescracking. But you're saying MCU about to go on a run.

I think they're going on a run. I think that was unintelligible. I think they're going to go on a run. I do think that there's going to be some quarter flipping. So we need to bring the old jargon back. So just to let you guys know for this summer, if the boys want, quarter flipping will be back transgressions will be back

it's a it's a we it's midnight classic summer okay because we're back in the Marvel realm now right and you know it's a big time for for Marvel so it's we're back in the superhero round that's right Ironheart baby

Ironheart oh yeah and by the way just to let you know we're going to judge Ironheart the way the show deserves to be judged okay if we don't have have you guys wait wait wait wait wait what happened what happened to positivity what happened

letting the shows be the shows you acting like this shit gonna be mid already no no no I'm just letting people know that they're gonna be able to come to us for accurate accurate thoughts on the show no I support I support all my black sisters out there you know so you feel a lot there will be no negativity

on the show there you go we love that no neither queens win um Karen I will say one thing that the Karen character did expose on the finale JZ infamously told Dame Das something

I heard somebody shout out to Dane I heard somebody say that they made hope okay make another hope right that nigger Jay Z is an

That's such a devastating lie that's such a devastating line okay okay cool you made me I'll make another one that's such a devastating line That's a good one This show failed

to make another Karen. Yeah. That's why Karen coming back feels so awesome. Yes. I don't know if Heather was supposed to be Karen. I don't know if they wanted to make another care. Kirsten. I don't know if they wanted to make another Kary.

Cherry, but they could not make another Karen. They could not get us interested in a character to the degree and to the level that we're interested in Karen with her relationship with Matt, with her own ability to do stuff. Because remember, when she comes back in this episode, she's making shit happen. She's handling stuff. She's putting punisher on the board.

She's advising Matt. She's taking Matt off the board. She's really reorganizing Daredevil in an energetic way and getting him back into the show. She's pointing him in a direction. Somebody else can help drive the action where it's like, I think what was hard with this season

is like it almost felt like the foggy mystery, not mystery, like was in the beginning of the season, totally forgotten about and comes out in the end of the season. And the minute they are searching through file boxes, reminiscing talking, you're like, oh, there's another character here

who to your point is capable, smart, can argue with Matt, can push against him. And we haven't, like, Cherry tried to do it, Kirstie tried to do it, but they didn't have enough historical backlash. Yeah, to be like, when Karen says something,

you're like, oh, she knows Matt. I see, like, everything I is a character I've been feeling she gets to say because she knows him and she's capable and I was like, to your, I was like, that's, I guess this season, what it felt, this finale felt like to me, where it's like, that last shot was just a terrible shot

to me to end on and I'm not even talking about artistically, just narratively, when he walks out of Josie's and he sees all of his like comrades in arms or whatever, I'm like, the only person in that room that I give a fuck about it's caring. Yeah.

Everybody else. Well, I'm going to be honest with you. They should have probably left that out. Yeah. Because when he says we need an army, we could have ended on Fisk. We know that he needs an army. They could have just let us wonder. Yeah, that's just because it's just because it's going to come up with.

It is kind of tough because, again, it's like, you know, I'm assembling a team. You're like, oh, you're finis. Oh, man. To your guys' point, you guys are like, the defenders are going to show up all this. I was like, that's not the budget. When you do that and you have that shot, you think, oh, we fin to see someone so You couldn't have gone to I put money on it for season two

I would have money on it for season too. They're absolutely going to do it at the beginning they're definitely going to do it for season two. For this one, you probably leave that out just so people don't get excited and elite field. I need a whole scene in the new season with Luke Cage and Jessica Jones show up where Daredev was like, hey, yo,

where are y'all been? He was like, we were having sex for 10 years straight. Now, he would clear. It reminds me of, which movie was at the end? Was it the end of, no, it was the end of Ultron when they introduced? the new Avengers.

And I was like, I don't know, man. Scarlet Witch has got it. I was like, Scarlet Witch Vision, Falcon, Falcon, Cap, and then I think that's it. No, no. War Machine, the War Machine. War Machine. I was like, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I was like, hopefully. And this is going to sound so bad, but when I went, like, when I went to Disney Plus last night, and I was like, I clicked on the Marvel tab. And it was the first time I've been paying attention in a while. And they have the banner of all the heroes.

Oh, that banner's looking. And I was like, yo, this banner's looking hell of week. It was like, it was Captain Marvel, Loki, Shurry, Captain Falcon. Let's pull it up right now. Let's see where they got on that banner. It didn't look like the strongest banner. Who's on the banner, Steve? Let me see.

Let me see. They got to do like the whole. Have you seen it lately? I don't think I've seen it. It's the, uh, it's the, uh, Turn it. Let them see. It's... All right.

No, that's a playing championship right here. That's the Atlanta Hawks. No, no, that's a mid-season championship. That's the Atlanta Hawks. Put that bitch back up. Yeah. That's the Atlanta Hawks right there. They dead ass got to be fucking with it.

I'm like, let me tell you why. Oh, my God. Because some of these niggas not even around no more, we ain't seen Nick Fury in years. You haven't seen Sean Chi in here. She hadn't been around since we were still coughing. Like, I'm just, look, I'm just, I'm just saying, bro, they dead ass got to be playing. Yeah. Or, look.

Or to switch around the game. Or they get, or they just straight up, these are the Avengers. I don't know about that. And she can't wait out. Scarlet Witch been a DMP for how long? She said she don't even want to be in it no more. Sam, oh, my God. I mean, Sam, we like Sam.

We like Sam. We listen. I don't think she'd ever suit him back up. No. Oh, man, Yelana, we like Yelana. But, you know, when was the last time she got us a bucket? You know what I mean? It's looking a little, it's a little grim.

Sure he's out there? You say playing, man. This might not even be like, it's a lottery team. It's a lottery championship. Yeah. All right, guys. Time for the midnight meter. proprietary midnight technology.

One to ten, one being low, ten being high. 11, 12, reserve for game changers. We're going to start. Jomey, Steve. Ben. Jomi, where are you going? I got to go to seven. I think for me, it's kind of like a Jeff Fisher team where you start off Rocky, man.

You know, you start off one at six, one and seven. But then you rattle off a couple and, like, toward the end, you kind of see the vision. But at the end of the day, you're still eight and eight. You know, like you finish 500, but the way you started, it is tough. So I got to go to seven. I think that's the right one. I since we don't

do half numbers I'm going to have to go seven as well yeah yeah it's hard it teeters between a six and seven it ends quite strong and I

I look on the season favorably because there were great moments that we had interspersed between like a little bit of messiness but I think that I'm still looking forward to season two and I like that this feels like a very good jumping off point

for where we can see these characters go farther. I like the fact that we're still exploring this. I want to give it an eight so bad. I just can't. Can't do it? I can't. I want to give it an eight so bad. I thought this episode was great.

I thought the last episode was great. That probably tells me the trajectory of the show that's going in, but it is a clear-cut seven to me. Clear-cut seven. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's no, you always do this like there's a bunch of drama. Give it a three. It's like weighing on your soul.

It is. He is weighing on my soul. I don't want to be a Debbie Downer. Just, there's no, Charles. Fuck it. You know, if this is what Disney Plus wants to do

when Daredevil is born again, they should have kept that nigga dead. I'm giving it a five. Okay. All right. Honestly, better than I thought you'd give it. Five.

I mean, five is what it is. You said it's a 500 team. This is a phone. Yeah. It's a good. 500. 500 team. Jomi, in your opinion,

how many games? above 500. Like, what's the mark of a good winning percentage? 575, 600? Probably like 6,57. So we're going to start also judging these things like that. You know, is it a winning team? Is it a winning season or not?

575, 600. If we're going to be honest, I think you would have to say that this would be a disappointing season because, A, you had to, basically, they fired the coach and the general manager, you know what I'm saying? You had to, like, retool in the middle of the season. Yes. You're the nuggets, pretty much.

It's like when you bring somebody in to just like, all right, we're going to hold it down for the next like six weeks of the season. And let's just get out of here. If we get the 500, we got the 500, cool. We might make the playoffs. We might not, depending on other results in the league. But as long as we're not a losing team, we take it. Who's the Russell Westbrook of this?

What was the moment in this show? It was such a bad game. They were like, we got to, we fired everyone. We started over. What was the moment? I like Russ. I don't want to say it. I don't want to say it.

Fuck with Russ. It might. Shout out Russ. Is the White Tiger stuff to Westbrook? Oh, shit. That's nasty. Y'all niggas getting really, really insulting. I was saying,

fuck Jeremy, but Russell Westbrook is a Hall of Fame. Nobody said he wasn't. Yeah, no. Yeah, no. Is Westbro getting a ring in his life? Probably not. Is Westbro getting a ring in his life?

No. Probably not. What difference do that? mate though. I'm just curious. Are you, are you a part of Rings culture? No. Yeah, you look like you're a ring's culture as nigger by racial status. That's a rap.

Jesus. Came out way too hard. Yeah, you did. You came out of blasted. So anyway, I just started blasting. That's wild. So anyway, I just came out of I just blasted. You know, have you seen Minnesota Society?

Yeah. Okay. So at the end of Minnesota Society, Kane says one of the funniest lines ever. So Kane is dead now. So he's speaking on us from the hereafter. Right. And these niggas and just towed cane ass up.

Right? These niggas and just put some on cane ass. He's talking from heaven and he's like, damn, I didn't know these niggas was going to come back like that. Blasted. We was in the theater and Kane is dead at this point. Wals and Reeves, rest in peace. And we laughing. And niggins like, he did.

I know, them niggas was going to come back like that. Blasted. To that nigger ass up. Talking that dumb-ass shit. All right. This week on the re-converse feed. It's not funny what happened to King.

Tomorrow, mutton bash. Tomorrow button mash breaks down the last of us. The show? Yes. Friday, the Midnight Boys react to Sinner. Sinai. Our producers are Alea. One of the strongest women I know.

Oh, isn't there. You always start your shit. You always start your shit. I'm telling you, as much as I've talked to people, I don't know people with as Chris Eliza point of view as Alea. I always have a community. A laia start blasting. A conversation with her.

Jonathan, protector of the sandwiches, Kermen. Protector of sandwiches, come on, man. Jomi, hashtag good at Matt. I'm actually bad at Madden. Good and Matt and Jomey on socials. additional production from our Juna Ramgapal. That's enough of the daredevil,

but Chuck's got something to say before we go. Take us out. Oh, wait, I'm taking us out. Yeah. The thing you do every show. Guys, it's been a fucking long week. They have us in here

every goddamn day, right? You give them content. You say it like you're doing it under duress. We're on a slave shit. Well, man, you're on the cotton fields or some shit, man. They got you. I haven't fun.

It's the hot Alabama son, man. You got a... Can you imagine we just pick the content? Oh my God! That is it. We got him constant. What are you talking? Nigger just got off the ship at a James town, bro.

God damn. Just put the content in the bag, bro. Jesus. Put the content in the bag. Nitter. Nitter! Brud, that's not crazy to y'all. I'm sorry, bro.

Chuck, take us out. We missed you, Karen. the show just wasn't the same and if you're a weirdo in the crew you better be good at some case I would be age wise your sisters

I would be your I would be your young uncle yes it's supposed to be that's how it normally works but the internet now anybody who's older than you anybody who doesn't get this reference was unk

and their OG has unc has unc replaced okay boomer type of Basically. Okay. Right? Well, black people were never saying.

See what I'm saying. This is the problem. No, but I'm talking about on the internet. But first of all, wait, wait a second, though. We don't we don't give a fuck about that OK boomer shit. I understand. Unc, and Unk is a term of endearment inside of the black Negro diaspora. Okay.

So it doesn't have anything to do with OK Boomer. You call somebody Unk that's basically saying, hey, man, how are you? You're older and I like it. Auntie. Same thing. No, Auntie, because here's the thing, if you call, like, a woman that's, like, below the age of 35, auntie, she's going to be like.

This happened. I'm not going to get into it because I'm going to get in trouble. Right. But I had a lady that didn't like that, and then they got mad at her. It's very happened on the old podcast. I'm not going to get into it. How old was she?

Nope. I'm not talking about it. I'm talking about it. Because this is somebody that can, you know about it. You know. You know, I told you this story. Oh, yeah, that's right. This is somebody who can turn your lights on.

and turn your lights off. Oh, gosh. So I'll tell you, I'll tell you all off camera. But OG, I have a very strong stance on. Okay. There is no age for OG. OG is a title that has to be earned. Cross-generational.

It's, it's, you could be 60 years old and not reach the level of OG. Yeah. Because you just don't have the requisite wisdom. to be an OG. You could be 65 or you could be 35 and be a true OG to somebody that's like 17 or 18. Yeah, but you can't be in your early 20s. You can't call a early man his early 20s OG.

I'm like, if you put you on. If you, that man in his early 20s could be an OG. I'm writing a movie about this. That man in his early 20s could be an OG like in training. Like let's say he's 21 and you. like nine to ten. You're going to say he's been my OG since I was nine. But this is a mentor mentee type of relationship. That's the only thing that OG means to me. OG means like your OG is somebody that's got to be able to set you straight and give you with. Unk. That's just a

old guy. That's just a guy. That's an older guy and you're saying, hey, unc. It's like an unc. I'm definitely unk. Sure. I might be OG to a couple of people, but I'm also probably not to the OG levels that I need to be. Yeah, you've got to get some capital in that G. Yeah, yeah, I need to do some other stuff to be OG. Wow, what do you think is Unc, Chuck? I think Unk used to be like 40 and up. And now it's like, now we're in her 30s. When a woman calls me Unk, I'm like, shit.

That was disrespectful. That was crazy. You know what she was doing? She was running game on you because she wants to make love. I don't believe that, actually. I don't know. I would need full context. She called Charles Unk to trigger.

Because there's different types of, oh, that we talk about nagging? You talk about You're negging Charles But the young kids They be negate That's how they be flirting

And I'm like I don't like this Yo I wonder Alleya Kerm Do you guys Neg? You take that

You guys neggers You guys neggers? I'm gonna leave this one To Kerm I could tell Kerm Don't Neg What's the question? No one's no Nek

Kerm be writing poetry And giving flowers And all that's Kerm don't nag Kerm is a good guy Oh did I tell you What? Okay, real

quick. And then, because I know this is all post credits. So, for people who don't know, the amazing staff, facility staff here at Spotify, I want to shout out Heather. They do a lot of- You're not doing this. You're not going to lie and make it seem like, I did this. Can we turn Curms mic off, please? Silence to the black man is crazy. Can we turn Curms mic off, please? Oh, I appreciate it. Do that, you know. So they provide things for us. Right. You see, we all have coffee.

and there's different snacks on us. But they also have these great sandwiches. You guys have had the sandwiches. Yeah. Delicious. They go in there this morning. No sandwiches. They were out.

They only had chorizo and vegan left. Charizo and vegan. Okay, so there were some sandwiches, but not the ideal sandwiches. Are you eating a vegan sandwich? You know what I'm saying? Like, then what's the point of view? We have to talk about why. I didn't know.

I was like, why did you do that? You not eat it. That was negging. We know what he means. Like, we're not. What is this pedantic thing that you've been doing? Why do you do that? Because it's a little bit of fun that I have.

Okay, there you go. Okay, so there were wax sandwiches left. When there used to be like a full cupboard of the sandwiches and a little heating thing. Bacon and eggs, sausage, all kinds of stuff. You know what I mean? Wednesday is a very busy day here. So we go, I'll go there. There's no sandwiches.

Like they got their some sandwiches fucking Steve. Yes. But okay. And so go back over there. and brother at the barista bar, very nice guy, says that the construction workers hit the sandwiches hard.

Dang. That morning. The construction workers came in and cleared out. And cleared out a lot of the sandwich. They're doing some construction around here at Spotify. And let's be honest,

it's not their sandwiches. I'm just going to be keeping it real. It's not their sandwiches. It's our sandwich. All right, Tara. Timmy, he's like, now how to fucking working, man, get some sandwiches?

This crazy. Anyway Kerm was enraged by them taking the sandwiches So Heather One of the ladies that runs Kerm goes over to her And he says to her he goes

Hey we appreciate everything you're doing You're doing a great job everything's going well But I won't let you know However I don't think it's fair That the construction guy Not his trustee. He didn't do that.

He never tried that. Kerm. Is this true? Kerm? No, I'm sad. Is this true, Kerm? Ten toes, Kerm never said that. You know damn well that this wasn't me.

Everything he said that Kerm did, Van did. He never do that. Don't do my ass like that. All right, before we get to the pod, one more thing we have to address. Sandwich fucking justice. Sandwich. One thing we have to address? They got to come to the sandwich.

It's like 945, 10. This also happened around the sandwiches. So, you know, this is Spotify. So we had some queens that are coming through, some music legends. Haim was here getting their coffee. Oh, when? Right. Those are my friends.

Oh, wow. We all love hot, but now. Danielle was there? Yeah. All three of them. Where are they at? At the coffee shit. At the coffee.

Oh, man. Those are the, yeah. Jomi, now, Jome, I said this. Jomey starts packing up his shit. I'm like, yo, where are you going, Jomi? We got to start potty. Like, nah, I got to go. I got to go checking up our girls.

I'm like, Joe. I had to check in with my homies. The milk merchant allegations need to be beat. They went pure out of this studio. They made great music. And what did you say? What'd you say? I walked over, you know what I'm saying?

I saw Estée. You know what I'm saying? We smiled at each other, man. Made my day. That's my favorite one, too. That's all it takes. They make great music, man. They make great music, man.

They say, I want you back. Where'd a day, when they're the table. The company. I got to be the same. I mentioned I just said I want you back Like

Y'all English Good news And that's not led to Steve Given one of the biggest revelations That we've ever had On this podcast or pre-pod Steve has a great grandfather who is black

Did not know this Three times great So I don't know what Three times great he was black Did you say the N-word? No No No

I can't really Yeah Look at that hair Although Hardinstein for the, for the, he says it. You saw that video? Yeah. Hardinstein says it.

I don't think Hardinstein should be saying to anywhere. But I'm pretty sure his dad's black. His dad is half black. Yeah. That's not enough. Jomi told me that our girl Haley Seinfeld is black in Filipino. Yeah. Yeah, she is, that's a big part of the, we'll talk about it.

Oh. We got to say this for the sinner's spot. It's a big part of it. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. Class of it.

I can tell it with her. She was laughing a little too hard at MBJ. I'm like, dick ass, man. Okay, let's go. What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you, man? Hold on, hold on, wait.

That's not right. I'm sorry. What's wrong with you, man? Hey, we're not talking about women. It's happening. All right, let's go. That's all post credits, all right? Jesus Christ.

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