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Episode Date: July 26, 2024

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Jesus Christ Charles The jungle is crazy The jungle is really crazy I don't know why That would be okay. The jungle. It was all that talk of Animal Pack got him excited.

It is on the top of it. He's the animal bag, Tom. You know what's funny? It's because I was watching the new Tarzan not too long ago. You ever see that? With Alexander Scars Guard? Yeah. What?

Margo Robbie? That's not bad. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's not bad, man. I just think it was past. I think we over Tarzan. Yeah.

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Yeah, thank you, Jomey. How old things going, you guys? How is it feeling being on video as the Big Pick? It's been complicated. Complicated. Complicated. ideal timing for me personally. But that's okay. We're working through it.

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Deadpool and Wolverine. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. We get our reactions. We have to put you in the know. The only person who can do that is Chuck Wagon. The only way to do that is the Midnight Manifest. Chuck, take it away.

All right. This is your Midnight Manifest for Deadpool and Wolverine, directed by Sean Levy, written by Ryan Reynolds, Rhett Reese, Paul Winick, Zeb Wells, and Sean Levy, starring Reynolds, Hugh Jackman, Emma Corman, Matthew McFadden, and a lot of other people. We begin with Deadpool. Because after being denied from the Avengers and X-Men,

he begins wasting his time as a used car salesman, Paradox, a member of the TVA, kidnaps Wade as his birthday party and informs him that his timeline, aka Earth 1008, is dying because he's the most pivotal figure. Wade travels across time to find a replacement Wolverine. He ends up with the worst Logan who couldn't stop the X-Men from being killed because he was too drunk. When the duo returns to the TVA, paradox reveals that he actually wants to speed up the destruction of Earth 1008. Paradox sends Logan and Wade's the void from Disney Pluses Loki, where they must defeat the cultural debris of 20th century Fox, i.e. Sabert,

the Pyro, Colossus, etc., etc. Eventually, Deadpool and Wolverine meet the ghost of superhero movies past. The Humintorich played Elektra X-23 and mount a campaign to stop the ruler of the Void, aka Cassandra Nova, who is Charles Xavier's sister, Deadpool and Wolverine, make it back to Earth

1008, stop the Deadpool core, and end up saving weights on the universe. That's the midnight. That's the midnight manifest. Give it up for Chuck right there. All right, so we have guests in the house. Oh, we have to talk about the fact that this is a long time coming.

we've wanted to get you guys dip you in the nerd juice Oh God No That's not where I want to stop We wanted to guys get you guys over here Before we get into this Sean you've

Talked about it a little bit On the big pictures that I've been on The other ones you've talked about it a lot Why don't you why we get you guys As nerd credentials out here And just talk to the nerds About your history with the content Sean and then

Linux Mall, Dobbins. Mine are pretty straightforward. And I think, frankly, the existence of the ringer verse and me as one of the leaders of the ringer indicates just how much I do and have cared about the world that you guys cover since I was five years old. I was a fan of comic books,

a fan of comic book media. I was an avid subscriber to Wizard Magazine and probably spent north of $25 a month on comic books when I had no money to speak of. And I've lived happily through phases one, two, and three of the MCU, covered them on the big picture as best I could. I will say my nerd card, my jug of nerd juice has been revoked in recent years

because I've been struggling a little bit. But in general, I'm with y'all. Like, I love these properties. I love these characters. I love these movies when they're good. And ultimately... Stop a lot. What's the last Disney Plus?

show you finish. Marvel version or Star Wars. Yeah, Marvel. Either one. Either one. If we were talking about nerds, another one. Marvel or Star Wars? I definitely

finished Andor. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's day one. Ander was a year ago. I think Shehulk broke me on the Marvel stuff. Oh, yeah. Let's speak on it. You know, and I went into Moon Night.

Actually, I did finish Moon Night, but I was so disappointed. So disappointed. You didn't like the CGI Alligator fight? I mean, that was terrible. But it was Oscar Isaac and Ethan Hawk. I was like, those are two of my guys. I was fired up.

And I was willing to go along with character that we don't know a lot about. Plus, Benson and Moorhead, the filmmakers. I really liked those guys. They made a couple of episodes. There was a lot of stuff on the board there where I was like, I'm ready to go back to the old me, the 13-year-old me,

and it really let me down. And I don't think I've gone back since. So I still watch the movies and care about the movies, but the TV show is like, I don't know what they could do to get me to watch another one of those shows. Amanda, have you watched any Disney Plus Marvel shows?

No, and or a Star Wars. Wanda Vision? I watched a couple, I watched a few episodes because Sean asked me to. And then I didn't finish. I did consume the memes about grief, though, you know? So I was right there with you guys. Let's see.

Different question for you, Amanda. Why do you hate superheroes so much? I need to know now. Don't do this. No, no, no, it's fair. So I would like to give my origin story as every person on this podcast and also every superhero has had the chance to do. I, as Van noted, lovingly, I hope. I grew up in Atlanta, Georgia.

I grew up in the South in the 80s and 90s. And I had a pretty gender essentialist upbringing, not by my own design. So I was an only child. I just wasn't shown any of this stuff. Like, no one thought to be like, hey, here's a little girl who might like, you know, Spider-Man or Batman or Star Wars or anything. My parents are not really into that stuff either. So maybe they were just sharing their tastes with me.

But so I didn't know. I just wasn't exposed to it. And then I was exposed to a lot of other things that I was very passionate about. And I really like movies and I like TV and I like pop. culture, and I can be a fan about a lot of things, but it was an interesting time to come of age as a single woman in Brooklyn, for sure, but also as a person who covers culture, as these movies and this culture really, really overtook pop culture as we knew it. And so for a very long time, you know, I mean, we know from 2008 through Endgame,

it was not an option for me to be into this or not. It was just kind of all-consuming. And I have seen all of them. The golden age of cinema, yeah. And there was something about the way that superhero culture in particular took dominance, and maybe with a chip on its shoulder, where it did often feel a little shoved down my throat. Actually, you know, I don't know if we've ever talked about this,

but very quickly, maybe the first time that Amanda and I ever actually hung out was immediately after the press screening of the Avengers. This was in May of 2012. Yes. At Brooklyn Barn slash Farm. You had just started dating my best friend, Zach. And I was just about to move to Los Angeles

in about two weeks to go work for Bill Simmons at Grantland. And Amanda came with me and Andy Greenwald. and Sean Howe, who wrote the book about Marvel Comics and a handful of other journalists and watched us break down the Avengers at what bar I can't remember what bar it was. Brooklyn Farm Barn, I don't know. So they're right, like, we're Flatbush and, you know.

And I was like in my podcasting bag and not a podcaster at that time at that drink. So I was like breaking down the movie, talking about the lore, super interested in explaining who Thanos was to people, probably to you for the first time, but not the last. And maybe I was just clocking that in the back of my mind five years later We started doing a show together and then I started explaining comic books since you on the show Yeah, so I've been doing this for a while in this exact capacity and that doesn't mean that

I don't like superheroes in fact I have enjoyed some of the things the movies and I laugh at some of the jokes But I do think that there has something about the dominance of the genre and the way that that dominance has been enacted by certain people sitting across the table for me or not. Wow. Or across the screen from me, I should say, you know, it's- Keep it to your own house. Don't, don't come for us. It was not always the most welcoming of-

Can we do, can we, can this episode be like a healing circle? Yeah, because I do feel like. But Van was like, why do you hate superheroes? And I don't. That was a little agro. It was agro. It was agro. And let me tell you why.

No, don't do your, well, I was a nerd forever. I'm not going to do that shit, bro. Is it okay if I express myself? Because you don't know what I'm going to say. We got to talk about the movie at some point. We'll talk about the movie. We'll talk about the movie in a second. That's not what I was going to say.

What I was going to say is this. Okay. So all the people out there who don't have the superhero like situation in them, the nerd in them. I'm telling you, Amanda, I know something. It just hasn't been developed yet.

All right. It just hasn't been developed. You're waiting for the right property. It hasn't come yet. Yeah. It might still come. It might be James Gunn Superman for you. No, well,

I just need that man to stop tweeting and start making a movie. You know what I'm saying? Call me when you were done. I could see that being the movie that brings you over. No, Van, you know what I really?

I liked the first. first two-thirds of Wonder Woman quite a lot. And then I don't know what happened. And it was something about Aries, who I do know is the god of war. How do you still remember Aries in that movie? Because Amanda's locked in. Amanda's really locked in. I do also, I do like it when these, when the comic books borrow from Greek mythology.

Because that was one, I was given that book, you know, that book, DeLare's book of Greek myths, no one. Okay. Sorry for trying to bond with you guys. So that's sort of like a different. type of nerd comic book. Very beautiful art. Wait, is that the book

where Zeus has sex with a swan? I mean, that happens. That's true. That's legendary. That's Leida. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But this is for children, so they're not depicting that rape. They're, he does eat all of, no, no, no,

I guess Kronos eats all of his children's heads and then they're born out again. Anyway, so Ares was in that book. And many, especially, I think the DC comics borrow more from Greek mythology more directly. You know, Diana is Wonder Woman's name.

And that is the Roman name for, you know, Artemis, who is one of the... Anyway, listen. So there are things that we, like, can pay attention to. And I really liked, you know, that... That was a scare in the hose moment. Like, we are the hose now. The minute you start talking about the mythology, I was just like, what the fuck's going on? You guys were stock still.

Yeah. I was like, what's happening? I don't know what was that. I was really It's not It's not because I'm trying to connect I was trying to connect That's why I was talking about the swan

Felt like many a woman Who I was like, let me break down to you Yeah All Spider-Man universe and just sitting there like Oh okay So now you understand you know A little bit of great You made your point

You made your point All right This is about Deadpool and Wolverine With our big friends over At the big picture we do entry reactions here since the reaction show

we're going to give you guys the first time now obviously we've talked about this we've had the conversation over on the big picture but I want to know for you guys what was your instant reaction to the movie

when you walked out of the theater first things that popped into your mind I had so much fun but I also think it's a rap oh That's tough. So the first thing that popped into my mind was honestly the question that I asked Sean Fennessey and Chris Ryan walking out of the theater, which was, so who was Chris Evans playing?

Damn. Which is maybe a summary of my experience of watching Deadpool and Wolverine as a person who has read Dolaire's book of Greek myths, but not. any of the Deadpool comics. All right. So I probably was very similar to Sean because y'all were like, everybody was rocking. And I didn't laugh one time.

And when I walked out, Kalika was just like, what did you think of the movie, Charles? And then I just like hang my head. She's like, why am I even asking you? Yeah, she knows. Your schick is up. It's not a schick. All right, wait, wait, wait.

How did it? They, like, our big picture friends didn't, like the fucking movie? Why is it? No, no, no, no, no, no. Don't put that with you. In the big pictures, my mouth. Sean said it's a rap.

I didn't even say it was a rap. Yeah, I know. But Sean is saying it's a rap. Well, I'll let Sean speak for himself. Sean, why do you say it's a rap? I did like the movie. I ultimately will be, you know, is it going to make my top 10?

It is definitely not going to make my top 10. But it's a rap because I think the ways it is successful, obviates my interest in the future of this storytelling. So let me tell you what my its reaction was. We're fucking back. We are not back. We are so fucking back.

Because let me tell you what I wanted to do. I can't have hats of that yet. That we can't just like put on as soon as we're so back time. You know? We're so bad. Or it's Jover. It's Jover. It wasn't Jover.

I don't want to say we were so back. Now we're back. But I had a great time in the theater. The movie does have structural issues. But in terms of a comedy, in terms of making me laugh, just having fun at the theater, I laughed hard. I had a great time.

Honestly, it's an enjoyable two hours. Let me tell you why I say we're back. And a lot of people are going to be like, oh, we're not back because we're very discerning here on The Midnight Boys and the fans are, the midnight mob, the midnight mafia, the midnight rider, should I say. Charlie's Angels.

Charlie's Angels out there. The reason why I say we're back is because the last couple of Marvel movies that I've gotten, I've left the theater like dejected in a way. Just feeling

nothing in terms of my enjoyment or connection to the movie. I could at least look at this film and go, I had a lot of fun. I laughed a ton I like to laugh. I laughed a ton and I left the movie

feeling as if I had been entertained by the comic book characters that I've loved for a long, long time, which is essentially my bar for going to one of these movies. That's why I would say we back. Like, it's a gutting feeling to go to a movie with a character that you've

consumed since you were nine or ten years old and not be entertained by that character. The movie fails twice. and I think sometimes for me, that's what I'm asking these movies not to do, a little stewardship to these characters I've been like entertained with for so, so, so, so long.

And this movie was able to do that. It's not perfect at all. It definitely has a lot of problems, though, for, for sure. Do you feel like it captured the spirit of the other Deadpool movies? I mean, is this a Deadpool movie or is this something else with all of the end jokes and everything that has in it?

This felt different to me. This felt like the thing I think that the multiverse saga has been suffering from, especially visually, is that every MCU movie looks like every other MCU movie. And if you look at the first two Deadpool movies, it's Deadpool's world. It's a little bit grittier. The action's very close. And I definitely felt like in this movie, they were in Deadpool's world for a good majority of it, but it did not feel like Deadpool's world. world. It almost felt like we're going to, because even Figey had to get out in front of this and be like, hey guys, this is an R-rated movie, but it's a little bit more loving. It's a little bit more carefree.

And I even think the Deadpool that Ryan Reynolds is playing in this is a little less mean than the Deadpool of the Fox universe. Easy Nass cutting. And the edges are sanded off a little bit. Interesting. Jomes? I don't, I don't, not really. I do think the world is different, right? Obviously, it's not. Jomi said you're a fucking liar. All right, first of all, the biggest difference, and I didn't realize this, rewatching the first Deadpool. He came directly at you. No, the difference between MCU Deadpool and Deadpool and the Fox Universe is like, in MCU Deadpool, they're like, we can't have Coke on screen.

We're going to say jokes about pegging, all this shit. And the Fox universe is like, we're just going to have a sex montage. And there's going to be a bunch of drugs and we're going to be cursing. And they're not, those aren't the jokes. It's just like, this is an adult movie. We're going to do the adult stuff. And Deadpool and Wolverine is like, we're going to make references about how cool it is we can say and do this stuff at Disney now. He stuck his claws up a guy's ass.

Okay. And? That's not enough for you, one more? No. Guys, guys, we, I don't know if you guys have been watching the last couple episodes. I thought we were a sex positive podcast. We are. We are.

We are sex. Do you guys don't know that? We're a sex positive podcast. That's great. You know, you guys are an example to the world. So you're shaming me For maybe some of my Proclivities

Yeah I apologize Jummy Jesus Christ Actually there is a sex scene In the movie though Is there? Yeah When Wolverine and

Deadpool are fighting in the car That's very much like Oh they're getting it on You guys didn't see it like that 100% Jomey you're right That's why that shot of them After they finish fighting And they're sleeping next to each other

Yeah And then yeah He's even like You know Bondaged up in the seatbelts Yeah Did y'all notice how when we started talking about lovemaking

Sean's voice dropped a couple of hours. I barely whited it. Yeah. You did it again. Sean is sexy as fuck. Did you notice? Sean was like, you're damn right, Joe, me.

It is dying. She's like, turn this channel off right now. I mean, I knew that there would be a lot of new, you know, experiences on the Midnight Play Street, but this is not what I wanted. Before we get out of sex corner, I was sitting next to Isaiah and Kerm, we broke. We did the big pick. Now we're doing Midnight Boys.

We broke for lunch. And Kerm, he comes up. He's like, yo, did you guys ever notice? Who's the? Peter. He's like, Peter. Did you notice when he was in the Deadpool costume? He had a really big package.

Like it was there. And then Arjuna, me and Joan, were like, we didn't notice. He's like, no, you weren't staring at it? And I was like, Kerm. Were you staring at? Kerm, come in here real quick. Hey, in Chris Curm, we're going to be

sex positive. We're sex positive. We are. The framing. I noticed it. The framing was indicative. When did you start staring, Kerm? When did you start?

First of all, staring's crazy. I just noticed. You just noticed. It was some baseballs down there. That's all I'm saying. Like, it was clearly intentional. I know in, uh, what's about, Black Panther with Namor, they, um, CGIed that shit the opposite way.

they clearly went all the way in on like the bit to make it an obvious. Were you bricked up in the theater, Kerm, yes or no? No comment. Wow. Okay. So, you know, the film becomes a journey of the character of Deadpool to finding out whether or not he matters in his world, to finding out what matters to him. his friend group, all of that. Now, we talked about this a little bit on the big picture.

Does the movie have anything other than jokes to you guys? Sean, is there anything more than gags in the film? Was there anything you were able to glom onto in terms of the character of Deadpool, who Deadpool is, how Deadpool sees his world? Does any of that stuff work for you? Or is it just two hours of dick jokes? Which one? Well, if it was just two hours of dick jokes, I would be okay with that.

And I didn't say this. on our episode. This is going to sound like a joke and maybe it is, but it really isn't. Deadpool is the voice of a generation. He was created in 1990 by Rob Lefeld. He is a signature Gen X superhero. His whole attitude,

his sense of self-awareness, the way that he integrates with pop culture, the sense of reckless violence in the storytelling, and the fuck it, we're all going to die anyway attitude is Gen X to a T. It is like he is representative of something that

basically like introduced me to culture and he's too cool to be in his own comic book. Exactly. Doesn't play well with others. Thinks he has all the answers. Is secretly very lonely. Like he's a great

character for his time and his creation and that era of comic book storytelling was basically all leading up to the 2010's MCU dominance, and him being the figure at the center of this movie, which is, in theory, saving the downturn of MCU storytelling, you can very easily, like, read semiotically into what he represents to pop culture at large right now. Like, the same way that Gen X is, like, basically being skipped over,

and power is shifting from, like, baby boomers to millennials, and Gen X because they're like, oh, fuck it, nothing matters anyway. Like who are the Gen X leaders of today? Donald Trump just picked J.D. Vance to be as running me. J.D. Vance younger than I am. I mean, the extensive is Kamala Gen X debate is going on. And that's really... Well, she's 60. She's definitely Gen X.

Yeah. But it's like the numbers and then the vibe thing. Yeah. Got the J-Mo quick. She's not the Gen X that we think of. She's not Winona Ryder in Reality Bites. She's not Chris Rock. You know what I mean?

She's not, but she's, but she's, she's certainly Gen X. I think of her as more of a boomer because she's very establishmentarian. She's very like structures and society need to work. Like she was a prosecutor. Like she is somebody who came up through the system of politics. I don't mean to make this a politics podcast, but I think it's like related to a bigger idea about Deadpool.

It's weird that I'm doing this riff on this show and not on the big picture. I was about to say, it's a big brain. It's just my opinion. You know what I'm saying? It is, it is just my opinion. Thank you, Jomey. But I do think that this character, being at the absolute center,

like the locus point of Marvel right now is so weird and yet kind of perfect. You know, like how old is Kevin Feige? How old are all the people that are in charge of making these stories? And he fits a certain attitude in the culture, especially an attitude of men in the culture. So it's interesting.

This might be jumping ahead too much, but I was like interested that so much of the MCU has not been working with characters they're trying to introduce, whether it's She Hulk or Moon Knight or New Captain America or whatever. And I was, I am interested now that I'm like,

they had to bring back Hugh Jackman. Deadpool was that movie almost didn't get made. These are like characters who have been in our conscience for like over a decade, Toby McGuire, all these. And I'm like, is that healthy for superhero storytelling where it's like now we're basically going back and venerating a lot of movies that weren't even good in their time? Yeah, okay.

So this is an interesting question, and I'm interested to, yes, it is healthy. It's healthy in the long run, but in the short run, it's tough. This feels like you trying to tell me Joe Biden. Like that, like, this feels like the Joe Bidenification of, like, superheroes where I was just like, they're like, yo, we can shoot Jackman back out. What do you mean the Joe Biden occasion? What the fuck is that me? Old-ass motherfuckers.

You were like, damn, like. They really just trotting these people out there. Like once Wesley Snipes shows up, I'm like, we can't even get a rehearsal a movie. And they are like, hey, guys, remember Wesley?

It's a cameo of Wesley Snipes's blade. It doesn't make any sense. Everybody in this movie is 45 plus. Yeah, we talked about that on the last one. What fucking difference is that made? That makes no difference. Like,

what's the problem? It's a problem. It's a reality of shit. What? Okay. What is it? attacked by that van? A little bit.

What I'm trying to I mean, my thing is this like, like seriously though. Yeah. So they're older superheroes right? Yeah. All right. So when they pick James Bond or whatever, it's going to be some 45-year-old guy. Ethan Hunt, 60-year-old guy.

But at the beginning of this, at the beginning of this, they were able to be like, oh, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, a bunch of other like Tom Holland. They were able to... But they've done that. This is Deadpool.

That's Blade. They've done that already. Yeah, but why are we bringing back 50-year-old characters? Because people like them. What are you talking about? This really is not cynical. That's what you're talking about? Because people like them.

Because people like Blade. No, because they can't make new ones anymore. They don't know how to do it. Nobody really... I mean, this is the second podcast in a row. Plus, my screening where I tried to start a one-woman ovation for Electra's appearance. No buyers. I never saw that.

I never saw that movie, but I just don't think that we're respecting Jennifer Gardner enough. Like, that woman is on Instagram making pumpkin bread at 5 in the morning for her cooking show. This is true. And she is doing the Netflix family comedies and just and holding the fort down. Capital one. And giving Americans like a probably bad rate on their credit card. And I just think we need to receive. respect Jennifer Gardner.

So look, this, look, you know, you know what the fucking, you know what the funny thing about nostalgia is, it always ages well. Like nostalgia is like,

what was bad in 1987 is great in 2007. What was bad in 2000, bro, when Willow came out, I liked Willow as a kid. Me too. When Willow came out,

Willow was one of the big misses of Ron Howard's career of that. They had a whole... One of. It was. I mean... We're a hillbilly allergy back in the... Oh, hillbilliology, yeah. Well, I work for that one, nigga.

I'm going to the White House. So are you telling me Eternals in 20 years is going to be like... But this is a very, very interesting line of thought. Yes, it is. I'm telling you. Right now, I'm telling you, not only in 20 years, I'm telling you right now, it's people now that are looking back at a turn. In 20 years, you'll be somewhere and eternals will come on and you'll be happy to see it. I guarantee you.

I will not. All right. We can, we have a through line, though. What? Star Wars, which, um, the prequels come out. We're like, yo. The prequels are still shitty. Hold on.

We're like, Hayden Christensen, this whole thing's bad. All this. La-da-da. Today. We said, hey, the Christmas came out, everybody was going crazy. We love it. I think it's all about... For most people, it's all about when you see it.

How old you were when you saw it, what the context of your experience was when you saw these things. If you were 11 and you saw Eternals, and you hadn't seen every comic book movie up until that point, you might be like, that's my favorite comic book movie. And that's entirely plausible. On this podcast, you know, some of us are just way too old to be doing this anymore.

And we persist, you know, like, I'm not stopping. We're not as old as the Super Bowl. heroes in this movie. That's a very good point. So we're just all hanging in. So like my relationship to Elektra or Fantastic Four when those movies came out,

I was like, these are trash and I haven't revisited them, but I have no interest in them. I never saw Elektra. I'm not going to do it. But Spider-Man, Sam Ramey's Spider-Man came out basically at the same time, and I love that movie then and I love it now. So it all depends. Like everybody's different with these things. I think

there's another interpretation of nostalgia van, as you well know, as a big fan of the Sopranos, which is the lowest form of conversation is Remember When. And this movie is just a series of Remember Wins. But there are, right? The lowest form of conversation is Remember When? But the most powerful form of storytelling is Remember When? I'm sorry.

No, all right. It is. You got a land to play my mind one, buddy. It is. It is. I ain't going to let you get away with this one. It is. When you want to forge a.

deep connection with someone that you've known for a long time, you always talk about what you've done together and not what you're going to do. When you're, when you're reminding someone how well you know them, when you're talking to somebody and you're telling them how, and you're reminding them about how well you know them, you always remind them about something that happened and not how you feel now or now what you're going to happen. You remind people of what you've been through with them and not what you're going to go through with them. That's why when you see a story or when you see something, like people didn't,

people didn't react to Elektra. They reacted to Jennifer Garner. Well, no one in our screening reaction to her. I know, but I'm just saying, they reacted to the fact. One woman in the other screening. And it's true. It was to Jennifer Garner.

They reacted to the fact that Jennifer Garner. And to be honest with you, probably some of it is with the fact that that movie flopped, with the fact that, you know, things have been up and down for her. it was probably cool to see her get a win. I mean, she was looking good. I was like, damn.

She's doing okay. This storm is all around her, and she's fine. She just has a lot of different nuts in her bag at any given time. Whoa. Oh, oh, God. Maxander, wow. No, nuts and that. Wow.

No, no, no. That's actually literally like macadamia. Yeah. I'm not sure if that's what you were talking about. So we actually, because we have the big pick on this pod, we get very nerdy. We get in the weeds. I want to ask y'all. we watched both seasons of Loki where a lot of the lore of this movie is established,

the TVA, Eliath, Sacred Timelines. Did you guys understand any of that? Like the structure of time travel and the cloud in the void and all that shit? So I've seen one episode of Loki. I watched the first episode and I fell asleep. But I listen to many podcasts, including yours. So I have a general sense of what's going on. And also that they're just going to have to pretend like season two never happened.

But which the TVA is useful for, right? So I know about the TVA. And I knew and I recognized the control room, which is pretty cool. Oh, yeah, you know. Because Owen Wilson was there at some point, right? It was a chance. And I mean, the thing is, is that they ornament it and there are lots of different contingencies and lots of dialogue. But it's basically just like, yeah, there are a bunch of different timelines and we can restart anything anytime we want.

And like, that's actually not that hard to follow. It maybe you're not investing in the stakes as much or the stakes feel dampened if that's the way that you're understanding it. That's the basic setup, right? Yeah. I mean, more so that they manage. So the original TVA was managing the flow of time for one guy so that the outcome was continuously in his favor. Oh, I didn't know they were doing that. Yeah.

See, he had one. See what I'm saying? The anchor being? No. Yeah. Well, there was no anchor being. We have a whole explainer right here. They, they, they, they, they, they were the original TVA.

Oh, you want to explain. Joe, explain to the TV. They explained who he remains who we will not talk. We can't, you know. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah, so she does. King, yeah.

But that, but I'm saying they were, they were maintaining that flow of time for him so that he won. Right. But now they got to get rid of that, right? He's done. Yeah. So. Well, he might get recast. He could be recast.

Ah, it's not going to be recast by the same guy. That's for sure. They're not going to bring back that guy. Should they recast him with Glenn Powell? Glenn Powell's cane is fucking nuts. Now listen, no, I like the way I like the way I like it right there. Hold on. Why not?

Yeah, why not? Give it to him. I want him spending his time different ways. Are you making backdraft? Respectfully. And the running man? Yes. I think my Blent Powell feeling is that he's trying to be an action star and I respect that and I love that for him.

He's he cast in every single rom-com. Amen. Get it. There we go. But see, but see, but, but, Even what we just said real quick. I'm going to get off this point. Glenn Powell is one of the biggest stars and, you know, probably the biggest, I'd say we're on here at the ringer, we're on his nuts more than we're on anybody else's nuts right now.

This is true. It's been a long-term project of the big picture. We've been believers since everybody wants them. And since we started doing the show, set it up. Like, we were really in early. And so. This never happens where somebody like, is the star of a rom-com, it's a hit, is the star of a streaming movie, it's a hit, is the star of a big action movie, it's a hit. Like, that doesn't, new voices, that doesn't happen anymore in Hollywood.

So let's say we were to do like a ringer, we love them slash, we're on their nuts, top three. You can say nuts all you want, and I can't talk about almonds. It was funnier because you did it on accident. You weren't trying to do it. Green sources of protein. When your energy's dipping, man. Jennifer Garner knows that. Are they the animal pack?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Nature's animal pack. It's Quentin Tarantino. It's Michael Mann and it's Glenn Powell. Rank them one to three in Ringer hearts. I mean, Quinn is my guy. That's my guy. That's number one.

I think it's got to be glad too and Michael Man three. With respect for them. Michael Man, what? That's. They've been like four That's nasty word For heat rewatchables What's the last

Great Michael man movie The last truly great Michael man movie What's the last Public enemies Stop No It was in 15 years Since he made a movie

Where you were like Wow that was amazing It's true I mean that's kind of rude to Ferrari I liked it I think it's very good But it's not great So what I would say

about even the Glenn Powell thing is I think that superhero media We'll get back to This is one of our best tangents I think superhero media has informed the American blockbuster psyche in another way, too, is that this is not the first era of remakes that we've had. It's not.

They've been remaking stuff for a long time. They've been Charlie's Angels, the Mod Squad, like all of this stuff. It takes stuff. But it is very distinct now. Like, Glenn Powell, who you're talking about, who we're talking about, he's made some original films, but those are not the films that have made him who he is. It's been Top Gun Maverick. Well, you could say Hitman is one of them.

It's been Top Gun Maverick. It's been Twisters. And then he's going to do Backdraft and the Running Man. To make his star, he is not looking for the next big original. He's not looking to star in the next Matrix type thing coming from the original script. He's selling America. He's reheating stars that have already been around in generations prior. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just, I think he's, he's got a playbook. And he knows that you need to leverage known quantities in Hollywood right now and will accumulate enough success, not just as a movie star, but to follow exactly what Tom Cruise did, which is to eventually become a producer, and then get the projects that he really wants to do. Because we've talked, I've talked to Glenn,

like he loves movies and movie history, knows a lot about movies, and he has a plan, and he has Tom Cruise fucking guiding him. and he's going to eventually try to make his version of The Matrix. But right now in Hollywood, that's actually not feasible for somebody who isn't a like five-time guaranteed draw at the movies. That's my read of the situation. It's not even feasible for the guys that are.

That's what I'm saying. Because, yeah, they're doing the same thing. All right. We had a villain in this movie. We had two villains in this movie. Who were two villains in the movie, too? Cassandra Kane. Cassandra Nova.

Cassandra Cana. Cassandra Cane's bad girl. Yeah. Cassandra Nova. Charles Xavier's sister created by Grant Morrison. They created her new X-Men. Then we have Paradox.

Is there a paradox in the comics or is this an original TVA creation? I'm pretty sure there's one, Jemmy. Let's find out. I'll look it up. Did the villains work for you? She was scary, but I have to be honest with you.

If I'm looking at what they could have done with Cassandra Nova, who is such an interesting and diabolical villain, scary. Yeah. It's very scary, very powerful. She kind of just seemed like she was holding space.

I will say the Cassandra Nova part where it's like she's introduced, they introduced that she's like been in the void since childhood. This is her like layer. They never really describe what her powers are. She's telepathic and seemingly telekinetic. And she can use a sling ring. And by the time she like sends them back to Deadpool and Wolverine back to their unit. universe and then comes back and it's like, all right, now I'm destroying this timeline.

I'm like, who like, what does Cassandra wall? What is like she just kind of seemed tacked on? She wants to, she wants to rule. Yeah, she wants to bring the void. She wants to, she wants to rule in the void. So she wants everything to be the void. She doesn't care. All right, sure.

Then what was paradox doing there? By the way, don't give me the sling ring shit. The moment that Ned used the sling ring, like the moment nobody, everybody told me that that was cool. The moment that Ned used the sling ring, anybody here. It was over. Who's mad? Guys, do you understand anything of what we were talking about?

Yeah, I do. No, I just ask. I just want to the throw in that Cassandra's fits were like A-plus. Really like that, the trench coat sort of with the big buttons and I was really into it. How did it feel to see a woman in power? Something, yeah. It's a preview of November. Something to look forward to.

God. We didn't really talk about Emma Corrin on the big picture episode And I was not a I didn't watch The Crown Yeah And I didn't watch a murder at the end of the world And I guess I've seen them in like a couple of movies here and there But I thought Emma Corrin was great in the movie I don't think that's a great character

I don't think the way that character was positioned did the movie any favors because everything that happens in the wasteland feels like it's just not going to matter in the long run of whatever set. Like it felt very, very low stakes to me. But in particular, the ripping the skin off of Johnny Storm moment,

I was like, that is fucking, wow. Like that is, I've not seen that in one of these movies. And that is an incredible visual exercise of power, which is what you want when you're trying to be like, yo, this person's super powerful, even though you never heard of them, even though they're related to one of the most important characters and all these stories.

You know what I mean? like Cassandra Nova, even in the comic book's lore, is only in the, it's 21st century, you know? Yeah. So, I thought that the execution of that character was really interesting. Paradox, I felt was very

whack and kind of sad to watch Matthew McFaddy and get, you know, wrapped up. Oh, he was, he was cash in a check. He's trying to best. Yeah. You guys, he was terrible. I didn't think he was. I was a huge fan of his,

and I love Tom Wamsgans, but, like, I thought that was not great. He had one line. He had one line that was super fucking funny at the end of the movie. he was terrible. Whatever they thought, I don't think it was a great.

But to be fair, he was Mr. Exposite. Like, they gave him so much exposition. Yeah, you're right. Like, what can you do with that? Yeah.

And also, such low stakes. Like, you know, once you're splitting the villain in two, you can kind of tell that neither villain is really going to have the heat.

So whatever they're saying is just kind of, to your point, exposition, gobbledygook. And he gets stuck. with playing like fake Tom at the TVA

which already is a little has the burden of all the other Marvel stuff. I didn't feel that he was put in a position to succeed. That's what I would say. This is a fan of Jane Austen adaptations, Matthew McFaddy and a man is speaking here too.

Yeah, Mr. Darcy. Yeah. And then Succession, he's important. And husband to Keeley Hawes, who I also had a great time with the money that was brought home from Deadpool's and Wolverine. Is there a Jane Austen cinematic extended universe? Oh yeah, there are so many crazy things.

Tell us a little bit about that. You got to clear out. What, what? I mean, I don't go into, I haven't read a ton of them. I think I read at some point like a sequel to Pride and Prejudice and then also. Pride and Prejudice too, more prejudice. Yeah. I was going to excel it.

Two Pride, two Prejudice. And that's just like they're like happily married and then it's like is the next generation going to get married or not. Did you ever give pride and prejudice and zombies a whirl? I think I did see part of it. There's also they did something called death comes to Pemberley, which is like a, it's what it sounds. Pemberley is the house and pride and prejudice. I don't know if you guys know that where Mr. Darcy lives. And so they do like a murder mystery.

there. And I read that. And then they also did, I think, a TV series of it that Matthew Reese was in. But then there's also, speaking of Matthew Reese, Carrie Russell was also in something I believe it was called Austin Land where it's like she has a brain injury or something and then like wakes up

or maybe it's just she goes to an amusement park that's just like all of Jane Austen it's all set in Jane Austen world. It's kind of like you on this podcast. One of the other. Yeah. I'm not going to lie to Jane Austen Cinematic thing. Yeah. There's there's the book club. Jane, that's, is it the Jane Austen book club?

It is. Yeah. Which is it, you know, where all the old people get together and they, and read the books. Yeah. And Maria Bello, too. I don't mean to. Oh, I like her. Yeah.

So. I like Maria Bella. So there's been asked everything. There's also, there's also, I'm sorry, you asked this. Go for it. All the novels. It's like in the same way you know that Clueless is a like update of Emma, which is a Jane Austin novel.

I did not know that. Really? Yeah. I never knew that. What's Emma? I don't know. I just knew who was Jane Austen. Because I thought it was weird that she was falling in love with their stepbrother.

Right. Whatever. But then in Jane Austen world, it's okay. Yeah. Exactly. So just another of the novels. But then in addition to like all the like updating and so like Jane Austen novel in like modern times, there's like a pride and prejudice in every country, every religion, every historical time period like that you can imagine.

There is a book version of it that you can buy and read, and I've read a lot of them. So, because, I mean, in many ways, it's just like the basic rom-com setup. Two people don't like each other and misunderstand each other and then figure out at the end of the book that they're meant to be. Fantastic. There you go. They should do MCU pride and prejudice. They shouldn't. It's MCU for, you know, literature-focused young women.

I mean, that's what I get it. No, no, no. These are books that I love. I love, you guys. You know what my favorite book was back in the day? You remember Silas Marner? Do you remember him? No.

You guys don't remember Silas Marner? He was a miser. To know about that. It's a George Elliott book, right? Yeah. Sorry, I'm not that educated. I'll tell you the books I read when I was a kid. Well, I don't want to wait a time.

All right. So look, this is the... This is the second time you've done this in like three weeks. We need to have a conversation. This is the first R-rated MCU movie. Yeah. Jomey, what do you think? I thought it was great. I thought it used, you disagree, but I thought it used its R rating to, you know, nice effect. It was super violent, a lot of cussing.

You know what I mean? That's the job got done. I like the beginning. Like the first part of the movie when they're doing in sync, bye, bye, bye. Hell no. See? That's how I know you ain't got no God of you. That's how I know there's no soul left in you.

Here's the thing. You would think that I would have liked it as well, but it's all in the mask. So I knew it wasn't Ryan Reynolds dancing. And I understand. Yeah, I knew. I was like, he can get him down like this. Yeah. I understand that he does the mask for a lot of reasons or whatever,

but I was like, you got to unmask him. Like for this to really land, I needed to be Ryan Reynolds doing the bye, bye, bye dance. And I also, I think you, because you brought up earlier, I think the bye-by-bye-bye fight scene to me was indicative of the whole movie where I'm like, this joke and this punchline is just going on way too long. Because at first I was on board once he's fighting the TVA. He's dancing. I'm like, oh, cool, cool, cool.

And then it keeps going. It keeps going. It keeps going. I'm like, all right, we get to get the credits. And then also no Justin Timberlake joke at the end, which felt like, I mean, you could just tell when this movie was locked. The best joke would have been if he pulled off the mask and it was Justin Timberlake. Just because they're talking about being high on cocaine a lot. He rips off the.

Yeah. It's like right there. Oh, my God. I mean, that would be a way for J.T. to come back. I don't think so But, you know, I don't know how many R-rated M-CU movies we're going to get.

If Blade comes out. Blade comes out, Blade'll be R-rated. It doesn't seem as if Blade is ever going to come out. Wesley Snipes is like, actually, it's just me. Yeah, I mean, it seems like Wesley Snipes is angling for him to be Blake. I guess, you know, being that this is Deadpool,

and we've seen the R-rated version of it before, did they did you was any part of you guys feeling like that Ryan Reynolds and Sean Levy that they were trying to stick it to Disney

by making the movie as raunchy and over the top did you ever feel them telegraphing that and trying to make this film the hardest

are they could get to let people know that they're not like the other MCU stuff it felt like a little bit on the nose really? Nah

to me it did the thing that that made me feel like, they're poking the stick at Disney was like, yo, the MCU kind of sucks right now. You're joining out a low point. Like,

that's the kind of stuff for like, dang, they let this slide. Did they ADR that shit in? Do you feel like when they went back for reshoots and rewrites, that's when they were like, hey,

well, you know, none of these movies and shit really working. Yeah. We're doing some rewrites. Let's like sneak these little joke. Because here's the thing, if Multiverse,

Spider-Man, all the Disney plus shit was popping. I don't think Kevin Fide he's letting them get that shit. I mean, the movie was originally supposed to come out in May, and they pushed it back to July, in part because of the strikes. And there were, you know, additional photography, which is normal on a movie like Deadpool.

The thing about the Deadpool movies is, like, while I like them, when you go back and look at Deadpool 1 and 2, they age very poorly because a lot of the jokes are like, this was on Reddit last week. And I think a lot of the jokes in this movie, too, are just going to, like, we're joining Marvel at a low point.

Like that's going to seem weird three years from now. Like we're not going to have the same mentality about this stuff as we did back then. So it is an oddly modern kind of movie. Like it is a movie that does not care about being a timeless expression of heroism or whatever Captain America is meant to be. Like it is something totally different from that.

I would argue that that's like kind of a good thing. That makes it different from a lot of these other kinds of movies. It doesn't pretend to be something more important than it actually is. But if a joke misses, now imagine how hard it's going to miss five years from now or ten years from now it's going to seem even crazier so that's kind of a it's a flaw in the design of the deadpool movies does deadpool the character have a future in the mcc because a lot of how the movie ages will have to do with how deadpool ages in the mcule well i want to ask you oh what were you saying so i i was hoping that you guys would explain this a little bit to me and set it up

Because, you know, the X-Men stuff is lingering, is like, is over the movie. And I understand why, both because of Wolverine and then Cassandra Nova is James McAvoy's sister, Professor X, right? Charles Xavier, they call him Chuck. I thought that was funny. And I know also that the X-Men were like a Fox property. So there's like been this long-running thing of like, when can the X-Men? and finally be reunited with all their Marvel friends.

And I sort of thought the movie was like pushing more towards that. And I thought that like the post-credit sequence would be something about that. And that, you know, Deadpool didn't get to be an X-Men or he didn't get to be an Avengers, but maybe like the big team up is coming or something. And I was surprised by the fact that it seems like none of that is happening at all. Well, they've been very type-lipped about this for a long time. Like, they got the rights. And Kevin Faggy's whole thing is when we know, we'll know.

When we get it right, we'll let you know. And it's been how many years, almost like three years since the, like the merger. And there's not been a lick of information. It's always been, oh, you know, this and this, which and which. Was it Frasier in a, in a sting? Yes. The marvels. The marvels.

Yeah. Post credits. And then they were like, cool. Beast. You have that. Yeah. who portrays Fraser Crane. That would be sick of Frazier.

Frazier Crane showed up at the end of the movie. I would be beside the one. But to answer your question as well, like I think what's interesting, there was rumors that Sean Levy potentially was in the mix for the Avengers movies. I think with Avengers Secret Wars, which is going to be a big multiversal story.

Part of me was like, are they maybe saving some of the X-Men stuff for those movies? Because now if you're looking for like, who are our heroes going to be in those movies. I don't know if they're going to be like, oh, Kamala Khan or, or I don't know, She Hulk or Moon Knight can lead this.

They might be like, you might want to bring back Hugh Jackman and Deadpool and Toby. Maybe they hand it over. I think Toby's definitely going to be in a movie. Maybe to hand it over you bring those guys in. Even in the comic books, though, Deadpool is in the X-Men part of Marvel. He's a mutant.

He's not immune. He's a, He's a mutant adjacent. Mutate, whatever. Whatever. But he still occupies his own corner of it, though. As opposed to what mutation? Not born, not genetically born with it.

So if you are a mutant, then that means during puberty or a little bit before then, your powers just pop out. They manifest. He was given his power. Experimental. Similar to Logan, who what is a mutant but also had additional things applied to him. also like Spider-Man. Yes. Not a mutant, but like a different thing where his powers are acquired.

Well, here's a deal, though. Here's the deal, though. It depends on how you look at it, right? Because, okay, because there are three different ways, right? One is, like, you're born with, like, powers or whatever. Another one is you have a latent gene. And then that's why the, um, Because the Eternals did this.

That's why the Super Soldier serum worked on Captain America. Because he had a latent gene. If triggered, it could come out. And then the third one is you just can't do nothing. Wait. Okay. He had a way. Wait, wait, wait.

You guys, this is the way they did it. Okay? This is the fucking shit that happened. A latent gene? So this is what happened. He's true. The Eternals. This is like me with podcasting.

You know, I was talking my shit for 34 years and nobody was like, we should let this guy talking to a microphone. And then one day, Bill Simmons was like, Like, you just talking to a microphone. And then boom. And then boom, it popped out. You're the Spider-Man of podcasting right there. Is Spider-Man who we would make you? Who would you make me?

I mean, I don't know. I need some help here. I kind of have psychics energy, honestly. Kind of like chagrined and emotional, but I'm like, I'm the leader. Okay, so let's do this. So I'm assuming that Simmons is Xavier, right? Well, I hope he's not Magneto. Oh, he's definitely Magneto.

Okay, so yeah. Bill is Magneto? Okay. Yeah, he's definitely a good call. So if Bill is Magneto, yeah, you definitely are cyclones. Right?

Yeah. Chris Ryan is Wolverine. No question. That was super easy. Easily. Chris Ryan is Wolverine. Mal, Gene Gray.

Okay. Okay. I think Amanda might be Mystique. Mastique is kind of connected to the X-Men, but really is that Jareda Lawrence? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Amanda's mystique. That's better than the last time we did this, and you told me I was someone called Squirrel Girl. Squirrel Girl! Oh, no, not Squirrel Girl. Wait a minute. Why don't know. I was really afraid that you were going to do the intro.

Lennox Mall is such an upgrade from Squirrel Girl. Squirrel Girl. But it's like really, really stupid. Hey, let me tell you something right now. Everybody fucks with Squirrel Girl. Not me? Squirrel Girl is great. Let's see.

Who are we? Are we in it? What are? Wait, I mean. There's only so many black ex-bair. You might be. You're bishop. You're bishop.

See what I'm saying? Yeah. And then who are the other black ones? Who's Jomey going to be? He's going to be the immortal dude who dies. Jome is Colossus. Jomey is Colossus. Jomey could be Colossus.

I could be Colossus. All right. I don't know. Who's the most people like that? Yeah, you probably like morph. Back to the movie. That's actually really good. You know, you know.

the question about the future of the character is one thing. But overall, you know, Sean, we've talked a lot about what this movie means and like whether or not people liked it or not. But you, a prognosticator of movies, someone who knows about the industry, did this movie, you said that the movie made you feel like there wasn't much future for the MCU? Yeah, because... What does that look like to you? Well, I think I put a burden on it, you know?

Like, I think it's because... of where it sits in the release calendar and what's come before it in the last five years I personally was like very similar to what we did before A Man 3 where we were like it all hinges on this and then everybody came out of it and they were like

the fuck was that and admittedly Amanda I kind of liked Ant Man 3 but that's that was the man with the large Corey Stoll and the big head yes so you like that one Modoc well I hadn't I guess I hadn't seen

It actually has a lot in common with Deadpool where I was like, this is just kind of a comedy and not anything else. You know, like the stakes feel weirdly low and they're in a land we've never seen before and everything that happens here doesn't feel important to what's going to happen in the future. So they're kind of similar story-wise.

I think the difference between Ant Man 3 and this movie was that, like, Kang was supposed to be the big man, right? Like for the entire MCU, this is the first time we're going to see him and he got beat by ants. Yeah. That can't, that's not how that's going to go.

I didn't, I didn't love that either. Answer powerful. Clearly. Sure. Yes. Not that powerful. Yeah. This is meant to be like the most powerful being in all of existence.

Yeah, until Galactus shows up. Well, good point. So, you know, and then you've got, you're really on your Galactus today. You've got, he's credentials. Dark Phoenix ain't never coming back. They ain't never trying to. Sure, but like all these people are so powerful until someone more powerful comes along. You're not wrong.

Then there's somebody called. the one above all. Who's that? That's basically like God in the Marvel, whatever. So you were, so you were, so I think until, and this is the thing, this is the reason why I ask the question.

I think until we get the movie that says we're all the way back, every movie is going to be the movie that it's all riding on. Like it felt like, no, because nobody's going to put that on Thunderbolts, we've done this too many times. It felt like everything was

riding on this movie, and I liked the movie, and I liked it a lot. You guys are going to get a shocking midnight meter rating. I liked it a lot. But this is not going to be the film that is going to convince somebody of the health of the MCU. It's just not. It's not.

And what's it going to be? Fantastic. But hold on, though. In fairness to the movie, the movie has no interest in that. Not at all. That is not at all what it's trying to do. I'm just talking about my imposed expectations based on what I thought it was going to be.

It's not trying to do that. And I think like the general movie going slate until last week and the success of Twisters, like this was supposed to be either the savior of the summer blackbuster season or the like it's so over. And now and also because Disney made it the only Marvel entry this year, like they everyone. And it's because of the scheduling and the strikes and all of that stuff. But it's not it's not just you narratively. Right, right, right. It's kind of been put in this position.

I agree that it does not seem to be want to be speaking on behalf of the MCU or Kevin Feigy or anybody else and really it just seems like more of a lark for people who dig this sort of thing. And as Jomey pointed out on the Big Picture episode, a movie way more interested in the past of 20th Century Fox than in the future of Marvel.

So it's okay that it wants to be that. I would say that the promotional materials are not suggesting that to us. No. So audiences are going to be like, oh, interesting, that's what this is. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see what the reaction is after this weekend, right? The movie comes out and all these stuff kind of gets spoiled.

People start talking about it. Do people do more people go up and show up like, someone off, fat tumor torch in the movie, blades in the movie, Electra? I can't imagine someone like Electra's in a movie. But still, right? Does the narrative change a little bit? I'm sorry. We are not being. We're trying to beat these allegations.

That woman is like 53 years old, I think. Looks amazing in that suit. endured that wig that they put on her. She's 52. I'm sorry for aging her a year. And I mean, and she's working so hard, you know? She looks great. Just let Jennifer Garner be.

Do we think the MCU, do we believe in their vision for the X-Men? Because right now they've been like trickling it out. We've got X-Men 97. Quicksilver was in Wanda Vision. Who else? We got Beast in the Marvels. Well, yeah, Billy. Let me tell you why it's going to be tough for them.

Okay. Two things. Scale and expectation. So in 99 or 2000, whatever the X-Men first came out, they were freed up by the fact that the movie couldn't be as big as like an Avengers end game. The X-Men's powers are so crazy. The stories are so deep. They knew they had to make it smaller.

So they did make it smaller. Yeah. And it weren't. to a degree. Then the second one came out. Kind of a more contained story. Not very colorful, not very flashy, getting deep into the mutant angst type of stuff. Scale back powers to the degree that you, they scaled back. It worked. This one, the expectations are going to be so gigantic for the X-Men

to take it further and farther and bigger than before, right? And the expectation of scale from the audience right now. Like, there was a joke in here that people missed, in the movie where they he rolls up on a comic accurate Wolverine and everybody keeps asking for a short Wolverine when you see that it looks fucking ridiculous

that's a good joke it's a good joke like when you see that it looks ridiculous in the comic Wolverine's very small very short he's 5 foot 2 or 5 2 or 5 3 he's like 5 2 or 5 3 in the comics he's very small and it works on for the comic books

but on screen that doesn't work So to me, when you, and there's a whole section of the internet that's chirping for a small Wolverine. I mean, talking about comic book accurate, even like there was that moment of, we got it when Hugh Jackman finally puts on the cow, we finally see him. Did you cry? I did not cry. I honestly was like, oh, I recognized why they never did this. Yeah, because it doesn't look that great. It doesn't look that great.

I was like, this is. Yeah, because it really, it doesn't, because it's for comic books. It doesn't, it's, it's, it's cool to see that they did it. I thought it looked fine. It looked goofy. Was it real? You feel that Deadpool looks way cooler? I guess.

I mean, I do think that one of the best things about Deadpool is the styling of that character in the movies is like really good. Relative to a lot of, like, the original X-Men movies are weird. There's a joke about that about how they never get to look like they're in a super hero team in the first two X-Men movies. Like they're dressed like they're just kind of in the park. And black leather. Yeah. They said that the Matrix made them change the way they had the

they wanted to be like the Matrix. One thing about the point you're making, Dan, is I think that this is working, what Marvel's doing is working against its long-term goal because like the three X-Men things that we've now gotten since the merger are the Beast cameo, which is a look-back.

X-Men 97, which is the most look-back shit you could ever do, I loved it. I thought it was great. But pure nostalgia play. And now this movie, leveraging the greatness and the like unmistakable Hugh Jackman of Wolverine. And in all likelihood, they're going to have to recast everybody. Like, they're not bringing James McAvoy or Patrick Stewart.

All those people are done. Those people are gone. So that is a huge hurdle. But they should bring Dan's Backboy back. I mean, my guy has had an amazingly weird 10 years. I, and also his physique has changed so much. Don't you want to see it? I mean, look, they could, they actually could bring him back at this point for him to play a little bit older of a professor Xavier.

And then you could ride with this professor Xavier for the next 20 years. It depends on when they said it, though. And that's something that, you know, Charles was saying, like, in the Avengers movie, they're probably going to start to show us what era. Because, like, the Fantastic Four movie might be a 60s movie, right? Isn't that the... Yeah, it is a 60s movie? In a different universe. So, like, maybe if these are 60s and 70s, like period pieces or an 80s movie or something like that, they could do it.

But they're going to fuck it all up with the timelines anyway. You know, like, whatever the Secret War story is going to be, all the TVA stuff is going to be used to, like, set a new course entirely, I would guess. And I would guess it's more likely to be like Jeremy Allen White is Wolverine rather than Hugh Jackman or someone who has seen. Oh, hell.

Well, Jeremy is too good for it at this point. So he's perfect and he'll end up doing it. It's going to happen. It's weirdly obvious how, how right. Yeah, it's like, no, no, no, it's great casting. I'm just like, if I'm Jeremy Allen White, I'm like. If you're Jeremy Allen White, you like, You like to get on boats and all of that stuff too.

And you want to be able to go do small little movies in the six months that you have to yourself every two years. So you're going to do it. Yeah. All right. He's going to do it. I'll tell you this. Like, to that point, though,

remember, the next couple of movies are getting us to that cast. So all of these old fogies might have a last hurrah. the secret wars might be everybody else getting cleaned out and getting us to the new group as we get rid of it because think about it right now we got these are the movies that are on on tap with Captain America Brave New World Thunderbolts the Fantastic Four Blade huge question mark and two Avengers Five and the Secret Wars Avengers Five and then Secret Wars

that's from this point through 2027 it what none of these movies is a shoe in like not one of them Avengers Avengers yeah maybe

depends on who's there depends on who the team is but none of these movies are shoeing it just doesn't seem like there is some concern to me in terms of how they're going to write the ship and who they have if they whip on Fantastic Ford

you think that people will still have patience for the X-Men? Or is it like, oh, they didn't get the Fantastic Four right? It's done.

I think the curiosity factor for X-Men is still at an all-time high. Like, I think no matter what people will be interested in whatever they, those characters, if you were born

between 1965 and 2007, you're like, I'm interested in the X-Men if you're a fan of this kind of storytelling. So I think no matter what they can do it.

If they flop on Fantastic 4, it's going to be tough. I'm not going to lie. But Fantastic Four is tough as a movie property. They've already tried twice and it didn't work both times. It's a really hard story to tell. And to Van's point earlier about Superman, like that was kind of a story for a different era in comic book storytelling.

It's a little harder to tell that story now. It's definitely hard to tell it. But going 0 for 3, it's tough. They got to nail it. So Amanda, you laughed at the, trying to figure this out. You kind of laughed at the jokes Deadpool was

the spirit of the jokes and not the jokes themselves more so, right? I don't... Excuse me. I don't know. I think I maybe laughed at some of the jokes themselves

that I got, which were the more pop culture jokes. But you didn't find yourself in the movie. I thought this was the funniest superhero movie ever made. All right. Ever made? Oh, no, no, no, no.

Let's think about it. I didn't. What's a funnier superhero movie? Definitely not the best. Thor Ragnarok's pretty funny. This is funnier-R-R-R-Ragnarck. Yeah, but some of it is about the style of comedy that you prefer, right? And Thor Ragnarach is not really my style.

This, I was like, oh, that's cute. I, like, see that you're doing a comedic thing that fits Ryan Reynolds pretty well. and like maybe I was amused, but I wasn't laughing. But I prefer like either like a screwball comedy, which is again why like I brought up the first two-thirds of Wonder Woman, which is sort of like a 40s movie. And Gagadad is like falling everywhere and Chris Pryan doesn't know what's going on. But to me, that's funny.

I laugh at some of the Avengers ones. Like I don't mind that before they wore out that sort of self-aworthy. where the little quip stuff, quippy stuff. Like, I like a quip. The Joss Whitteny. Yeah, which I know is not a cool thing to say. But so I don't think the spirit of this made me laugh very much.

I was like, it's nice that I was laughing at Sean and Chris laughing on either side of me. How about that? I thought that was really, really funny. Every time they, like, couldn't help themselves and started giggling, I was, like, pointing at them and laughing. But that doesn't mean it's not funny or that I'm. opposed to it. The stupidest jokes worked on me. You know what I laughed?

You know what I thought was hysterical? When Nice Pool goes, I can softly break the fourth wall. Oh, I laughed at that. That was funny. Yeah. That's the type of shit that's funny to me, son. I just think we are, the Rick and Morty meta, Ryan Reynolds's whole stick, I'm, I wish we would sunset it. I'll tell you something right now.

This is on this, this movie right here is Ryan Reynolds. Reynolds at his most powerful. I totally agree. This is unbridled 100% Ryan Reynolds. Unchecked. Unchecked power. Unchecked Ryan Reynolds. This is as much Ryan Reynolds as you'll ever get in any movie ever.

And I think that's why I think I'm very cool on it. Because even by Deadpool 2, I was like, all right, I think I got Deadpool's whole shit. And in Deadpool 3, he's like, motherfucker, this is my movie. I don't give a fuck. It's too much. The thing about, I mean, yeah, but the thing about Deadpool is that is who he is. That's what he does. Yeah, I think as a society, we move past Deadpool.

I mean, maybe. I loved it. I love metacometary, man. Like, you mentioned Rick and Morty, community, all that stuff. When you have like those end jokes, when you understand what you're seeing and they talk about it. I love that kind of stuff. So this kind of stuff worked. I liked it.

All right, we got awards to get to. All right. First award up, we'll let our friends from the big picture go first. All right. First award up is the award for best cameo. I don't even know my answer. These are the choices. Chris Evans is a human torch.

Wesley Snipes as Blade, Channing Tatum as Gambit, and one that we haven't talked a lot about. Henry Cavill is Wolverine. So that was actually him. I wanted to do a point of order. I think it was. I think he was credited it.

It was, I mean, you know. I didn't know if he was CGI. but it was definitely supposed to be Henry Cavill as Wolverine. Who could also play Wolverine if you wanted to come play Wolverine? Hell no. You could do it.

To me, the Jeremy Alwai. The good joke to make there would have been putting Du Grace Scott in that spot because that's who was supposed to be Wolverine. Now, I'll tell you something, Sean.

If they'd have done that, that would have been total, total, because no one. That's for the real heads. Yeah. No one would have got that. You guys are just saying

words right now. Do you guys Scottish actor was supposed to be Wolverine. He decided to do, do he get hurt? No. He decided to do Mission Impossible 2. He decided to do Mission Impossible 2 because at that time, Mission Impossible 2 was a much sure bet than was being Wolverine and the X-Men except for the fact, I'm about to say, that Mission Impossible 2 fucking bomb.

That is tough. I mean, this is not. He's just also a tremendously forgettable villain in that movie, which is one of the the successful Mission Impossible movies. And it literally altered a fraction of Hollywood history. I'm deeply anti-James Gunn, so I like this Henry Cavill moment

of, you know. Reclamation for him in a superior story. Yeah, I appreciated it. I still would vote Chris Evans, I think. Chris Evans is easy. Yeah. I like Channing Tatum. I'm going to go with Channing Tatum

as Gamby. So here's the thing. I like the joke. I love seeing Gambit. the cards were cool. Everything was cool about him, but to your point that you were ringing up, I feel like he was almost too jokey. I kind of did want to say,

I'm like, Chanitato, this is your moment. This is your audition real. Show me your gambit. And he wasn't really doing that. I mean, yeah. Where are you guys on magic? Oh, we, oh boy.

Wait, magic, Mike? No. No, no magic. Well, so. Oh, we love, here's a thing. We love magic on the midnight place. We definitely love. So that's under the midnight

boys tent magic is part of the culture here's the thing if there's a magician in a room magic is part of culture you just are not like this dope as shit okay let that one go let that one go but sometimes black people are afraid of magic it's true

wait no I black people love magic man you want to freak rest in peace you want to freak my fucking dad out do a kind of do a magic trick you'll make a mad do it again I really I'm sending out Do it again.

Open call. I want the big picture and the Midnight Boys to be invited to the Magic Castle. I want us to have a night at the Magic Castle. Hey, by the way,

been there, been there. I love it there. Freaky. I, you know, you've been there. I legit think the place is haunted. I think there's evil spirits in there. It's a powerful space.

The niggas in there that do magic, they're really good at magic in there. It's an amazing experience. Have you seen the piano? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never been to this place. I've never been to this place.

I've never been to a lot. It's up on a big hill. on what's the turn there? Right off Franklin. You have to wear a jacket, right? Franklin and Highland, yeah. Yeah. It's no casual attire.

Gotta wear, got to wear a suit. You have to have dinner there. And it's a very expensive dinner. Not the greatest dinner in the world you'll ever eat. But once you've paid for your dinner, you roam the building and attend different performances in various rooms throughout this giant home on Franklin. And it's just like, even if you don't like magic,

it's a guaranteed fun people watching experience because everybody who's at the Magic Castle you know, it's a little weird like a little emotional about magic sure, a little invested in the stories. I personally am like that I'm just like I'm in a thousand percent. Like I just want to stay there all night. I love it. And you have to know a magician

to get in. Yeah, you have to be invited. Oh shit! It's like that Illamadis shit. You have to know a magician again. You have to be invited. Wow. So there are any magicians practicing magicians invite us out. I'm so ready. We'll go. Yeah, my job is obviously. The next award, we have three more left. Best slash worst joke.

Hugh Jackman, Hugh Jackman's divorce. Wesley Snipes hating Ryan Reynolds. Johnny Storm and Deadpool, death rant. Every shot at the multiverse. What you guys? We're trying to wrap this up. We got to stop.

We got to stop cutting Joe me off. But go ahead. Oh, we got to stop cutting Joe me off. Big picture, what you guys got? What's the best? Best or worst joke? Whole movie. I think the divorce one got the,

biggest laughs. That got like the ooze in our audience. Yeah, I haven't been able to mention the Aver Levine, I'm with you needle drop. And I just wanted to say I really, I felt seen. Yeah.

I love that record, man, too. Yeah. They had some records in this bitch. There's a lot of pop music in this movie. I wasn't pleased with the remix of of life is what's that song called?

The Madonna song? one of my favorite. Like a prayer? Like a prayer. I was about to say I'm living on a prayer and I was like, that's a Bon Jovi song. At the end. Well, they do the Madonna version, but in order to sync it up to the fake tracking shot, which I was annoyed by, they have to cut some of the most dramatic moments. And I was upset by that. But then they bring in a cover, but it's more of like a core, like a full choir. And I did like that version. Okay. This has been Amanda's music. That was not the question. I like the Ben Affleck. Yeah, Jennifer Garner Daredevil joke. Yeah, that was good. Honestly, that wasn't nominated, but that's my pick. This is our nerdiest award. Best Wolverine costume. Jomey gets to.

You keep skipping over. I want to jump in, bro. They go, you go. Jomew, just, I didn't get a chance to give my best joke award. He just, you don't even listening. What are you doing? I didn't, you just, you just prioritized, pick pick, and then as soon as they start talking, you go.

I don't want to do it. No, why is your favorite joke, why is you bring it up? Because I don't, you skipped me over, and I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't All right, I'm going to go. No, Jomey wants to do it. I want to go. All right, you don't. Show me.

My favorite joke is at the end of the movie when we're all like expecting the X-Men to come out or do some stuff. He goes back and he's like, look, Johnny said all the stuff he wanted to say. Oh, that's great. I hated that shit. I loved it. I was like, bring the X-Men in. Bring the X-Men in.

Because Chris Evans is, he's doing the whole thing. It's like, I don't know this and this. And it's like, I mean, first of all, we see Chris Evans in the MCU. He's so stand up. See him so crass like that. MCU film. I thought it was, I thought it was Joe. I can't wait. I can't wait to see the movie again, man. You guys are getting excited. It was awesome.

All right. What was the best Wolverine costume? Original blue and yellow, classic orange, age of apocalypse, or short Wolverine? I'll start with the midnight. I like the brown one. They shouldn't have put the brown one in? Because I was just like, that one, Age of Apocalypse was dope too. Age Apocalypse was good, too.

I liked the one he was wearing for most of the movie with the sleeves like with the sleeves like that that was class I don't know what was you guys his favorite Wolverine costume I like the brown one too I'd like to see a whole movie I'm talking to I was trying to think really hard about what he was wearing I guess I like the yellow with the sleeve list at the end you know what did you think about

Hugh's body what is he his body was I mean you just you start to wonder what goes into that from a from a supplements level. I've got two words for you. Animal pack. Animal pack. And then also from a, not just from a

technical CGI level, but you know, like what is the grease paint that he's using? You know, is there an industry standard? Is there something special? I think he got his own mixture. I think there's a huge Jackman like he got a guy. And I definitely I think he's like he's chest contouring a little, which I like why wouldn't you, you know? Of course.

You got to look your best. Oh, it's talking about for the makeup? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, on the chest, etc. So I immediately go to just kind of the how. But good for him. I hope he's healthy. A lot of fish, I'm sure, a lot of chicken. Yeah.

You know, just like a lean cut. All right, best fight scene. All right, we add Deadpool versus TVA with a soundtrack by Instincts, bye, bye, bye. Deadpool versus Wolverine in the Honda Odyssey, team Deadpool, Storming Cassandra's Lair, and then Deadpool and Wolverine versus the Deadpool Corps.

Now, this isn't my favorite. We have not talked about the Deadpool core that much. Was that tacked on a little bit? Like, towards the end of the movie, I was like, it's the weakest part of the film. It's real, like,

it looked very Comic-Con-ish. Some of the costumes, I was like, why does this look so? Yeah, I wouldn't fuck with all the different Deadpool's. Very, very pointless, too. Doesn't work. Also,

like, resolve this stuff so stupidly. When the baby. shows up and I was like, oh no, you're not gonna, I got really mad. But then the- I thought they were gonna do it. I was, I was a little like. You want to kill the baby?

I was really upset. It was like the beginning of the flash for me as well. I was like, don't you dare. But then they also, they did not have like the balls to like actually go through with it. So I don't really, I didn't like that. So what you're saying is if you're going to show the baby, kill the baby. Well, if there's a microwave in a baby in a movie.

Really Deadpool, you know? If this is like for real as you guys say that it all is and they say that it all is, then I'm just saying they blinked. Evil squirrel girl. Let's go. But I did think that baby was cute and I was mad that it was in peril even for a second. That's a Lennox Dobbins tape. You didn't name the best fight in the movie. The best fight in the movie is the first fight between Wolverine and Deadpool when ACDCs Hells Bells when they first land in the void.

And that's when I was like, I'm 12 years old right now. Like, I'm locked in and super excited about watching these two fight. And do you know why? Because that, because Wolverine has been criticized, at least for me, for not fighting like Wolverine. He fights like a brawler. But in that fight, he crawls. When he's doing it, I was like, I'm like, oh shit, they figured out Wolverine's fighting stuff. Yes, I totally agree.

I mean, that was comic book. that moment in his comments. He's right. Yeah. But it looked ugly. That's why... Oh, interesting. You feel like that?

Oh, I thought the choreography was actually really good. I just think the void was kind of an ugly space. No, the void. I think the fight itself was cool. I think a big problem with this movie is having so much of it be in the void. The minute they started making fun of like Mad Max, Uriosa's right, Yorosa looks dope. Dune Part 2 looks dope.

All this desert shit looks... It's true. It did look right, my name. It did kind of look like that. It didn't look very lush. There was no depth to it. It didn't have very much character. Charles was right about that.

I got to go with the first fight scene, the TVA, with Insync in the background. I loved it. Like, using Wolverine's body, his bones as weapons, was kind of fun for me. I enjoyed it. I like the Honda Odyssey one because it reminded me of the first Deadpool. Just like a very close contained fight to angry people. It was just like this. Okay.

So that's my least favorite one. And let me tell you why. Whenever they fight, I like when Wolverine and Deadpool fight. But when they're fighting in a Honda Odyssey, it's just stabby, stabby contest with no one, they can't hurt each other. I mean, they can't hurt each other in the entire movie. I know. So what I'm basically saying is like, the fight kind of is like, okay, when are y'all going to stop fighting? That fight went on for a long.

It was cool to watch, I guess, but I don't like, first of all, I hate watching people get stabbed. Wait, why are you watching this movie now? For me, the older I get, you know when it changed? There's this episode of Game of Thrones where Brian and his friends are, remember when his friends get killed and the fucking white. Oh, yeah.

He's just stabbing the guy. And it's like, I hate watching people get stabbed. But I thought Team Deadpool storming Cassandra's Laird, Blade, fucking Gambit, Elektra, X-23, she puts the glasses on the whole nine. That fight also looked. looked a little janky. And that was also,

that was like a lot of old people trying to hit their marks, you know? Like God bless every one of them, but they were like, you know, here! Like,

I am. In spirit, it meant something. We're all in it, you know? We're all trying to know. You can tell how old Wesley was. Like,

he was trying. I want to say something real quick, as we continue to call these people old. You know what I'm saying? I'm on the animal pack. Look at this. As we continue to call me. I say he's 61 though.

Like, it's okay. Oh, yeah, he is mad at the fuck. That's pretty old for a movie like this. Like, but we see it's 61 year olds. We got Brad Pitt coming up in.

That's true. The creatively titled F1. We got, we got, Cruz. We got, Cruz. Yes,

possibly. Like, wasn't William Neeson breaking people down till he was like 75? He was old. Yeah, but I think superheroes are different.

Probably so. because they're supposed to be a little bit more ballet. I got my guy Clint Eastwood at 91 crying macho. You know, like we don't stop. We get into our 90s. We're good. That's all true.

And I'm thrilled to be joining everyone's ranks next week. But it was like, it was not just the movement of the bodies, but they were like, hold on. I almost remember this choreography. You know, you could just see the fight.

They didn't even shoot Wesley close up. Yeah. They didn't. Like, they didn't, like, the blade style of choreography is, You with us, Sean? I just, this is four hours of potting, bro.

I had a yawn. I need a coffee is what I need. Yeah. So the, the, the, the blade style is real close up and every single move, they, they don't have faith in them in me no more. It's ironic because that's what, I mean, Snipes was an incredible physical performer in those movies. The huge reason why those movies work. You buy him so completely in those movies. So it's a little unfair to be like, all right, you're 53.

You do the same shit you did when you were 31. one. It's hard. Yeah. We can say you look like Al Sharpton. God damn. No. Now why? That's what?

She was like what? She was like, he was like, he wasn't given. Al Sharf. I'm like, that's fucked up. All right, now it's time for our most contentious and final segment of the day, the midnight meter. Guys, do you guys do you guys know what the midnight meter is? Of course.

I do, but I don't want to do it wrong. So will you set it up? The midnight meter is a regular 1 to 10 scale. One being terrible. 10 being the best. But we reserve 11 and 12 for game changers. Okay? The best of the best, the crem de la crem,

these are the movies that will stand the test of time. In honor of the big pick, coming over to the Midnight Boys, we will let you guys go first. Midnight meter, Deadpool, Wolverine, Amanda. You got to go first. You got to drop a 12 moment. No, my answer is like Apple. You know, like I don't have a number.

Apple. That's a pretty good fruit. Amanda's gone wrong. with Apple for her Midnight meter ranking. I'm not sure if our social team Joni,

maybe we can is there a way to represent this? There's an emoji. There's an Apple emoji. I like that. Nutricious? Apple.

I'm a six. There were times where I was like, damn, this is a 7.6. But it's really more of a 6 because when I think hard about the movie,

I feel that I've made a lot of mistakes in my life. And so I don't want to overrate it right now. Damn. Damn. Hey That's very restrained, man

I thought you were going to give this shit like a 10 or 11 It's impossible I mean there's no story I mean I just be honest with you You guys If you listen to me right now You will have fun in Deadpool

For sure If you are listening to this podcast You'll have fun sure Yeah you will have fun in the movement You'll at least see stuff on the screen Where you're just like dope Yeah there's no there's no story. It's as thin

from a story standpoint, it's literally one of the flimsyest superhero scripts I've ever seen. But the performances, everything they still get you there, eight is the best I could do. I feel like I feel like this movie is an eight out of eight and let me tell you all.

All right. All right. Let's go. No, no. No, stand on the eight, bro. I'm standing on the eight. I know exactly what you mean. I'm standing on it.

I feel like this movie is an eight out of eight. With the limitations that this movie has, it's the best version of itself it could have possibly been. Like literally, because it's not really, this is, it borders on sketch comedy. Sure. Like, I mean, you know, so like it, this, this type, this movie for what it is,

it's the best version of this. Anything more would have took them putting making a different type of film and I don't I think they made exactly the movie they wanted to make. Yeah. Show me. I got to agree with Van. I'm going with an eight. I think it is one of the funnier, one of the funniest super superhero movies we've ever gotten. And like, we didn't talk about this on this podcast, but the huge act of my performance is really good.

I enjoyed a ton of the cameos. I just, again, I had a great time watching this film. So I'm rocking with an eight. Is it an eight out of eight or an eight of 12? It's an eight out of ten, but like kind of out of twelve. You know, the midnight minute it works. It's all confusing. But it's an eight out of ten.

This is what the people have been waiting for. Come on, out. Give it to them. Deliver. You know what? Here comes to highest four. I'm going to be fair. The controversial cultural critic is going to be fair.

I'm going to give this a very decent and strong six. Maybe on a rewatch it could get to a set. Wow. Okay. It could get to a set. I can't believe what we're hearing. You guys realize that like Charles, every time Charles comes on the big pick,

we lose a little bit more of him. Yeah. We energy. You know what I'm saying? It's like every time he comes on the big pick, we lose a little bit more of him. What's the one movie where every time the guy does it, he dies?

I was going to go. It's more like Homelander and Butcher with Ryan. Yeah. He goes to Butcher House. And he's like, wow, this is how. I can live. I don't got to be like that no more. That's what it is.

That's exactly what it is. Goes over there. It's a cookie to play a foosball. And Lennox Mall Squirrel Girl. And Charles' doors always open, man. So glad you're in L.A. You're welcome. This is a third chair?

Wow. All right. Here's a thing. I didn't say third chair. Third chair. I love to be a big. Third chair. We're conducting a nationwide decades-long search for third chair.

It's okay. Here's a thing. It's my second home. I love the big pick, big pick, love you guys over here. I'm never switching up on my day once. I'm talking about it. You know, I want to ask you guys,

before we get out of here, what movies are you guys excited for in the last half of the year? Oh, it's grim. Yeah, what movies are you guys excited for? Listen, I have heard reports or I've rather not heard reports about trap and screening availability

and all sorts of things, but I don't care. I can't. wait to see trap. I just absolutely cannot wait. I know that it could absolutely fall apart, but it's Josh Harden's season, always in my heart, and I'm really, really

excited about it. I'll be honest with you. I think the MCU could take some cues from M-night on how to get your mojo back a little bit, because he was down in the dumps, and then he came out of it. I know Sean likes him. Sean, what about you? Last half of the year. What are you looking forward to? My number one most

anticipated movie of the year is Noseferatu, which is coming out on Christmas Day. from Robert Eggers. It's a retelling of a classic silent horror film starring Bill Scarce. And I saw an extended trailer of it a few months ago and it just looked fucking sick. But that's what I'm about.

I'm about depravity, you know? But listen. Those Ferratu on Christmas days. That's crazy. That's some sick of shit. Listen. You're about that action. That's what that is.

Gladiator, too. I don't care that we didn't need another secret. I'm so ready. Same. I'm in. You know. Craven? Yeah, nobody's excited about Sonic 3.

Yeah. I mean, Venom the last dance is like, that's a national holiday for me. Oh, Venom, the best superhero franchise cooking. Joker 2? No, don't say that. Don't do that. I did, I was saying to Amanda and Jack Sanders when we took a little break here that I'm just all in on the Joker and Venom movies and also the Deadpool movies.

And those are like the three most like loser energy. superhero franchises, but for whatever reason, those are my guys. I'm just, I'm riding with Deadpool, I'm riding with Joker. I'm riding You know why I like the Venom series so much? Because you don't have to like it. That's why I

like it too. Venom, you just set free. Venom has set up this world where anything can happen. It's all stupid. That's bad journalism. One of the craziest lines from Venom, too. He's like, that's bad.

Eddie. Eddie? That's bad journalism. I'm like, like Woody Harrelson who has carved out a fantastic career, being a semi-serious actor, like a top-rate performance, just going to just going nuts. It's like, whatever. I saw it.

I fuck with it. I'm actually looking forward to it. I'm telling you guys right, I'm calling my shot right now. Craven will be good. All right. Let's wrap yourself. Craven. Let's go to, come on.

I don't think Aaron would have done it. Go to bed, grandpa. Craven will be good. J.C. Shandore. directed that movie. Director of Margincall, director of All Is Laws, director of a most violent year,

incredibly talented filmmaker, director of the Netflix joint. Triple Frontier. That's right. You guys know about Triple Frontier. That's what you should have started with that. Wait a minute, bro. Hold on for a second.

Hold on for a second. That's the guy who's made Kravain the Hunter, so you never know. Oh, no. Hold on. I propose a podcast called, well, they already have this. Watcherbles.

I miss Triple Frontier. I would love to do a podcast. podcast on Triple Frontier. 80s style action flick, hidden gym. Oh, that's great. Love Triple Fourteenth. Amanda and I are huge fans. It is the big pictures, like, most underrated movie of the last five years.

It's awesome. What happened? Netflix. It's a legit. It's a legit awesome movie. Patrick Pascal, Oscar, Isaac, Ben Affleck. Garrett Henland. Yeah.

Headland. No, or is it, Garrett Headland or is it Charlie Hunnam? Charlie Hunnam? Charlie Hunnam had the incident at the Publix. He has that monologue where he's like he had PTSD and he crashed the card at Publix or something. Sorry, really stayed with me. By the way, he could have a sequel.

Now that Oscar Isaacs is the man, bring it back. Quadruple Frontier. Call triple front. Oh, my. Let's go. Can you beat me to it? Twice. I mean, we're locked in on this.

It's good. I mean, Terminal Frontier should literally be on the rewatchable. It's a really fun movie. Yeah, they did Shot Caller. I watched that shit.

That shit's not bad, though. I looked at that shit. Shot Caller kind of good, bro. It was in that motherfucker going. Weird John Bernthal wrote. He'll be in anything. That's a wrap.

Every Monday, the Midnight Boys give their interactions to Hot D. Every Thursday, the House of R will deep dive into the House of the Dragon. This Saturday, the Midnight Boys

will be at San Diego Comiccom. Maybe. Lord will. Every Sunday, Talk to Thrones will be up right after the latest episode of Hot D.

We would like to say thank you to our friends from the Big Picture for joining us today. Thank you. Thank you. This was so fun.

It's very fun. Very fun. Our producers are Steve, the architect Almond. Jonathan chocolate midnight hot fire, Kerma, Alea de Maudezneris,

Jomi Adineron on socials, Hashtag, explain me, baby. And additional production from Arjuna, the watcher, Ramgapal. Chuck, take us out. Thank you to the big pick. Unfortunately, the MCU is not back. Stay locked into the Midnight Boys.

Because we're going to be off that animal pack. I'll tell you, let me tell you what happened to me on the animal pack. You know, I had gone to the gym maybe a month ago. to the boxing gym and I box this young heavyweight named Ray I'm not gonna lie to y'all Ray y'all, Ray beat the shit out of it.

I thought you were supposed to have more testosterone. Ray was, this is not this is before the animal pack. Ray was putting something on my ass. And Ray was fucking over me because I hadn't sparred in a while. Ray was, so I get back in the gym, but at the same time I'm getting back in the gym, Animal Pack.

I go back in there Saturday, frustrating the shit out of Ray. talking to Ray. Ray, I got your timing. I got your timing. I got your timing. Right got your timing. Animal Pack. Yep.

Okay. Oh, hell you. Can I take it my version of Animal Pack? Sure. I just received an email from a company called Viavision. It said your Viavision order has been received. What the fuck I'm talking about? I looked at that and I was like, I don't know what this is.

It appears that on April 20th, I went to an Australian Blu-ray website and ordered the movie Barfly on Browelie. Blu-ray. Oh my God. The movie The Gambler on Blu-ray and the movie Drugstore Cowboy on Blu-ray. Oh, Dr. So, Cowboy, Al-Haw! I have no memory of doing this whatsoever. This is something that happened

three months ago. April 20th. Sean, maybe I was fucking obliterated. Maybe I was super high. When you're fucked up, when you're like just fucked up and lit, are you just crushing Blu-ray? You're just like, yo, this is everything that I want. Just at horns and over.

Honestly, yeah. Shop. Yes. Yes. yes but like I have no recollection of doing this and I straight up spent $100 on these three movies of my own money and look a gift to yourself you know look at you like

it was a gift it's Christmas I think I think Sean I think what we should do is because you're 42 right I'll be 42 on Friday before happy birthday happy birthday so 42

1982 so 1980 we should spend the next we should have until 50 you got eight i got six we should spend the next x amount of time just rogening it out on some rogid i'm i'm in like we mean by that i mean we just about the we bought the me and shan about to start doing more martial arts getting fucking supplements on the animal pack

just roging it out what about what about adopting some new and interesting ways of seeing how the world works yes that's that too