The Ringer-Verse - Did ‘Agatha’ Stick the Landing? Plus, ‘Penguin’ E6 Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: November 1, 2024

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Before I get into the intros, everybody is dressed up for Halloween, and I chose a Halloween mask that I think I look cool in, and everybody, including Arjuna, don't want me to wear it. It's not that you don't look cool. We can't hear you. We put subtitles on you right now because nobody can hear you. This is in, it's video,

also, but even it's an audio format, brother. They need to hear you. I feel like people can hear me. And I'm telling you they cannot. Okay, so I'm going to say something and you guys tell me whether or not you can hear me or not. Okay. Jomi loves white women. Who heard that?

It's not fair. The one thing that we need is clear, uninterrupted vocals. We work for an audio company. I don't know what to tell you. man. This is Riggas next is podcast me for all

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for Kerm, we got Isaiah leaving Las Vegas He likes to have a drink Jesus Christ He likes to have a drink Charles is...

And what does he look like my rep on this spot is in the mud He likes to have a drink He likes this He likes to have a drink Isaiah walks around By the way Like this

Like hey hey Chill on you It's like it's like It's like to have a whiskey Isaiah walks around like this Like hey hey hey You want to quit A quick nibble

What's me called? OD. Wow. Charles is on vacation, but we are still the midnight boys. A piqu-hoo! Follow us on socials. Happy Halloween, everyone.

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Great. Again. Isaiah won. the ringer Ballon Dior. Ballondor. Is that what it's called? Ballandor.

As the best player on the Ringer soccer team, he won it. From what I'm hearing, you were the best player on the Ringer soccer team. Is that's not true, Isaiah? I wish it was true.

If I was good at soccer, it would be true. A lot of chances. High XG. Don't, he's being, he's being modest. How many goals did you score the season? Two. Okay. That's the tie for the team lead to be fair.

Five for the team league. It says a lot more about us. That's right. How many goals did y'all score total as a soccer team? Gotta be like, like 13. Yeah, we swear five in one game. Yeah. It's got to be like the 50s.

Wait, you're the goal? Yeah, it was the 50s. No, I wasn't goalie one time. That was like an emergency situation. Was it as bad as you might think, but still wasn't good. Did you dive at all? No. It's not that serious, brother.

Hey, listen. It's not, it's not my life. So what was you guys' record in the end? What was it? A lot of fun and... Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a lot of fun. You know, a lot of memories.

Yeah. You know, and a lot of... The friends made along the way. And if you had fun, you won. Yeah. How many y'all lose? I mean, you kind of lose count after four or five. That's cool, though.

Fun and seven. Yeah, yeah. Fun and seven. Fun and seven. Fun and seven. I wish it was seven. She was just seven. One in ten.

Um, Bramber writers! Tomorrow, House of R we give you their deep dive on Agatha, which I didn't realize that what we watched was the finale. Jesus Christ, man. I thought there was more. I'm serious.

When I came here today, I was watching the show last night, me and Kaleigh were watching the show. And then it was like, oh, my God, there's another one. I'm like, oh, because there's two. I was like, I thought there was. I thought there was going to be two the last week,

but maybe they're going to give us two this week, and then one, I didn't know. I started to reach out, but there was two. Two great, if not sort of bewildered. We'll talk about it. Yeah. This Saturday, member begins. Min addition brings on Ben Forkin Limburg.

A bit forking limber, huh? I'm bin forking limber. He talks like that the whole time when he was on. Hey, I'm bin fucking. Did he for real? He did, 100%. Has he embraced it? Oh, absolutely.

Loves it. Yeah. Yeah. To talk about Arcane and Star Trek Lower Decks, you guys went to the Arcane premiere last night. Did. How was it? Incredible.

Man. Min Vibbara came early. Ben Vembourg came early. We had a lot of fun. There's some stuff that we got to. What the fuck? You got to. How many strokes?

How many strokes? How many strokes does that count as? The only strokes that happening were strokes of genius at that arcane. So you guys were bricked up in the thing. No, absolutely not. No, we were in suits. No, we were, we were, we were, we were professionally.

You had a church attire on. No, no, we were not bricked up in there. Like, stroked, stroking. Nah, no. How many strokes is considered early, seriously? Like, what's the time limit? I don't know, how long, what was the Tutsi roll, the Tutsi Pop commercial? Like, how many licks to get to the center of Tis Bump?

But then, you can't go about that, though. And then Mr. Owl was an asshole about it. The owl just fucking bites it. You don't want to bite it. No. But on today's show, we're giving. giving you our reactions to the finale of Agatha All Along, and the latest episode of The Penguin.

The Penguin. Da Penguin. Agatha all along, you were really into this, Steve. This has been your show. It was good. I've been really, really enjoying it, and maybe that changed a little bit. Yeah, because you don't know what immediate literacy is.

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Let's spoil a little bit of Wanda Vision. Maybe some of the past of MCU television. Yes. We might, I might throw a curveball at you guys. I might want to do a little impromptu talk about, the MCU television schedule the rest of this year. Sure.

And next year there was a trailer that came out. A lot of people were into it. So I might just throw that. Right. I might just throw that at you guys. Just throw that at you guys, okay? But right now we have to begin our reactions. And to do that, we have to bring you

the Midnight Manifest, talking about all the need to know to Agatha all along. Who is doing this? Jome Skiddle. Jome Skiddle doing the Midnight Manifest. Yes. Okay. You're going to do it right now? Gonna do a lot? Yeah. Take it the fuck away then.

All right, guys. This is your men I manifest for the finale of Agatha all along. Episode 8 is called Follow Me, My Friend, to Glory at the end. Episode 9 is Maiden Mother Crone, both directed by Ganja Montanero. Episode 8 is written by Peter Cameron. Episode 9 is written by Jack Schaefer and Lower Donning. Episode 8 starts right where episode 7 ends. Agatha and Rio are making some new additions to their deal. As Billy and Jen joined back with Agatha on the road,

they find themselves right at the beginning. After putting their shoes back on, they are moved to their final trial. Jen finds out Agatha bound her. Agatha helps Billy find Tommy's soul, and Agatha plants a seed and grows a flower through the cracks of the floor, and they all escape the road. Rio pulls up on Agatha at her crib,

but Billy asks her how her son died, and she gives herself up to death. they make out. It's really nice and sweet, and Agatha returns from when she came. Billy, in full wick and get up, gets into a Subaru Forrester and drives home, only to discover aspects of the road

all over his house and then a cackle. From where? We will find out right after this flashback. Episode 9 starts with Agatha giving birth in 1750. We will approach her and tells her it's only a matter of time, but allows Agatha to keep her child Nicholas. Six years later, Agatha and Nikki are traveling the road while Agatha takes all the power from the witches with Nikki's help. Nikki starts to sing a tune akin to the riches road song we know and love, but all good things come to an end and Rio comes for Nikki in the night.

In her grief, Agatha takes the Witch's Road song and weaponizes it to take power from all the witches over centuries. We go back to the present and you'll never guess who cackled at Billy. It was Agatha as a ghost. Oh shit. Agatha and Billy break down everything that went into their adventures and despite disagreeing on murdering witches

they team up to find Tommy and that has been your midnight manifest for Agatha all along tonight. I need a round of applause for fucking Jomey a dinner on. Oh, it was Jomey. Watch the throne, Charles. Like, wow, like, that was fucking fantastic, bro. It's great and I only got 15 minutes to do it

because nobody knew who was going to do the manifest. That's fantastic. Okay. Two episodes. Agatha all along. I'm good boys This show has been one

That has consistently Surprised me Yes Yes Consistently surprised me Agatha all along I don't think that I've ever I didn't know what to expect going into the show

I didn't know where the show would take the characters I didn't know what The end goal of Agatha all along was going to be It ended in a quality way these were two good shows two good episodes of television in my opinion did it end in a satisfying and fulfilling way i think for me it absolutely did i think it is kind of weird because episode nine is kind of an epilogue right i'm watching episode eight i'm like this kind of feels like the finale episode what do they what other 30 40 minute stuff could they show me that's going to

add on to this but i do think it rounded the entire show up and put it in a nice little bow and also gave us stuff for the future. I think I'm very, very pleased of where this show ends and how it sets up Billy and Agatha going forward. I was really into it. Steve, uh, less high on the ending itself. I was thoroughly impressed by pretty much most of this finale. Like, this was, I think these were both quality ways to round out this season. Frankly, episode eight acts as a very good epilogue and post text to, the story that we actually have, which I was actually kind of impressed with

by the fact that the way that episode seven wraps up is effectively everything that we need, and then a post text on Agatha, missing her son, and then everything that could be set forward. On paper, I really like. I just think at, like,

the equivalent of the one yard line, it does something that, that to me, I don't personally agree with for how the character of Agatha could end this season of television. Which is the ghost stuff. Not even the ghost stuff. I'm actually willing to accept that.

I think the biggest problem for me is the fact that this episode, the final episode is scaffolded around her relationship with her son and her fear of facing him in the afterlife after the deal that she made with Rio. And it ends on the idea that she can't face him and refuses to do so. And instead, makes me feel like we are ushered along the typical MCU path of setting characters forward at the behest of better character development

for the person who's Joe it is. I don't understand. What do you mean? It doesn't make sense. I found, oh, God. It doesn't make sense. Because so, we talked about this pre-podcast, and we had to, like, we had to say,

we were like, hey, we can't, we can't burn no podcasts. So Agatha, I don't know if we watched the episode. Mint on Mint violence. Agatha spent like 10 minutes murdering people. Right. We're just taking their power, really, nilly. Yeah, we take it to the road. I got you.

Do, do, do. Like, the entire thing. She is the worst person, like, at least with the show concern, the worst person we ever met. Just like, really terrible. Is she the worst lead for an MCU show ever? The worst person has a lead for an MCU show.

Probably, yeah. Yeah. You know, Loki was pretty bad, but at the same time, I know it was the same loki from like he hadn't like done all this the stuff. Still killed like thousands upon thousands. Sure.

Yeah. And in New York. Yeah. But like, you know, after going through like he's come. Anyway, Agatha is legitimately, well, you got to get to the point. Agatha is legitimately like awful, right? And she, Billy's like, hey, you know, do you want to desire your son died? She's like, oh, actually, you know what?

You're right. I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to watch that again. She got one good deal. leader one that was it that was it that was it I don't want to go back to see my son that's not right I you're like I want her to turn into like oh actually you want her to get woke real quick I don't know man she was bad for a long time she's not gonna wake up one morning ago well actually I'm ready to face my son to face all my demons I'm like nah I mean don't mistake a cathartic moment being a character's redemption I don't think that if she ends up

facing her son in the afterlife that that means that she's now a good person. I think it's the actual growth and change that is worthy of a character who goes through all of these things in this show. If the show is named after her, I feel like I want to have some sort of turning of a page with this character

rather than sacrificing herself just for Billy, which ultimately is a good thing, which is like a nice thing for somebody to do. But it doesn't have the personal stakes that is reinforced by this final episode. What's the name of the show? Agatha all along. What does that mean to you?

I feel like it's going to be the thing that actually anchors us in the emotional payoff. What does the show, what does the name of the show mean? Because I thought about this. I thought about it too. We learn throughout the show, we wait for Agatha's redemption.

Right? Agatha morphs into sort of the protagonist of the show. Right. Billy takes on the role of the end. So throughout the show, we, I mean, he does. Like, throughout the show, we wait for her to round into something other than kind of the bad guy of the show. Right.

It's Agatha all along. Also, it's the entire, she gets to the best possible place the character can get to. Yeah. If we're going to take that character seriously. Sure. Because the stakes of this show end up being. being real. Uh-huh.

Those people that we started our adventure with, they're dead. Oh, yeah. Right? Dead, dead. They're gone. Except for Jen. Right. Yeah.

By the way, making a horror show, black ladies from us. I'm talking about it. Hey, yeah. A couple notes. Making a memorial out of a pentagram and a basement kind of crazy. Kind of a little bit. Hold on. But, but like, we end up getting to a spot to where, like, it's like, hey, man, we don't

kind of get those people back like that. The show has stakes. Sure. And all the things that she does, they kind of matter because of that. What you get in the end is whether or not she can be something more in Philly's life. Sure. Maybe there'll be some sort of, I don't know, she'll get some sort of redemption in helping him round out his life because everybody else, she's left them powerless and dead. I think it's just probably the show throwing me for loop

because every other witch in this coven has found some form of personal redemption in this story before ultimately dying and being ushered away by death and finding out what's on the other side. Agatha doesn't do that. And granted, that is the thing that makes... Not the end of her story.

Sure. But I kind of like the idea that accepting and facing the consequences of what's on the other side, the, like, really tough deal that a parent is forced to make with death to be like, okay, you can know your son, but you won't know for how long, and it's going to be taken from you. Like, a genuinely powerful effect.

Like, I loved the beginning of this final episode. Oh, the final episode was fantastic. It was, and I think, and it really... And by the way, the final episode kind of, it does something that good shows do. Remember Spider-Man 2? Mm-hmm. Spider-hmm.

Spider-Man 2 completely de-villinized Dr. Octopus. Right. It was like, I get you, Dr. Octopus. Got the whole thing going on. Yeah, they got the whole thing, his wife and the whole thing. It was almost like Mr. Freeze when his wife was in the cold thing.

And it's like, God damn, like you can kind of get it. So when you're watching Agatha, she's doing terrible things. She is. She is. At the same time, there is a part of it that her life and how she lives it and what she's gone through is almost kind of like you get her lust for survival.

But she's explaining it to her son. She's explaining it not like we have to dominate and have power. She doesn't seem like Palpatine. She seems more like Anakin. Sure. Someone who their trauma is leading them to do really terrible things. Right. And I see that like from the beginning from when she is making up the song with the road,

which is an incredible callback. seeing how those lyrics change over the years and centuries. I thought all of those things were brilliant. And the deal that she makes with Rio, ultimately to be with her son for as long as she can, is like a deal to defer her own grief. And then after he dies, she takes that time over centuries

to lean into the idea that she will just lust for power and everlasting life to avoid seeing him. him again because she couldn't face the idea of, you know, those consequences. And the idea to come to the end of this, having actually sacrificed something and given somebody else another chance for that, ultimately not leaning in and learning from that and then thinking that it can't be as all bad as giving somebody else that chance, it felt like a bit of a counterbalance to me. And just because she's done bad things

Doesn't mean that she's ultimately redeemed By doing two good things No, I mean it's not But it's one step out of time Right? Sure. That's like a real leap for her To be like, you know, actually

I gotta go back with my son I've prayed I found Jesus But if she did that, would that have not made sense? Do you think that like it like Were you felt wanting for Agatha's development after at the end of this? Not really.

I mean, I can see why some people might have. I definitely felt. Hold on. Listen, I honestly, I said this earlier. I didn't know that this was the last episode of the show. Right. But I'll be honest with you.

You're like, that, every time I say I'll be honest with you, I'm going to donate five dollars to share. Oh, boy. I was about to say it just. I think the show leaving off where it did, I wasn't really interested in what was going to happen to Agatha. as much as I was interested

what was about to happen to be there. Really? Yeah. And that kind of maddens me a little bit. Why? Because it's not his,

like, I get it. Like his development is, he came the farthest out of anybody that came out of this show. But I really think that this show

could have done a lot more servicing of its titular character, even a little bit more, be it episode by episode or at the very end to actually buy into this because Catherine Hans got it in the bag for this performance.

The story and the show is operating on a much smarter and more intellectually honest level than those final 10 minutes. Right. I mean, I don't know, man. I think what I thought was interesting,

maybe like I read it a different way is that like she invented the road. The road did not exist. Right. And so like when you talk about Agatha all along, the concept of the road has been her all along. Was Agatha all along, right? It's not until Billy showed up.

It was like, oh, oh, no. It's real. It's real. Right. Right. Right. So she has to like fake her way and do the whole thing.

I don't know how much I needed from Agatha after the sacrifice from Billy. Sure. Right? Like that's, I don't say the end of her story because it's obviously going to continue.

But in terms of watching her, like, continue to move on, like, yeah. You know what I mean? But it's so interesting because she learned, we get, she learned a lesson and then did something selfless. Yes.

Right? And we learned why that was so hard for her to do in the last episode. Yeah. And that kind of rounds. I've ever talked to you guys? This is going to be like a weird kind of tangent, but it's kind of about grief and why grief is so powerful in these shows. Have I ever talked to you guys about cloning Bozeman?

I think you mentioned it. I think you mentioned it. You only said that I want to clone Bozeman. Okay. So like I get Bozeman 2020. Right? We get Bozeman 2020. And after a while, like the dog is like it's not a dog anymore.

It's a creature that lives with you that you completely understand, that completely understands you that says good morning, that says good night, that you know when it has to use a bathroom, you know when it's sad, you know when it needs a toy. And then like you look at the dog and every couple of times you look at the dog, if you really really, you look at the dog, if you really, love your dog, you go, how much more time do I have? Do I have three years? Do I have four years? Do I have, like, how much more time do I have? You don't know. And you don't know, right?

Now, that's not really a thought that you have with people as much because people, they live a lot longer. And it's, you associate the death of a person with tragedy and you associate the death of a pet with like almost inconvenience. Like it's going to be a shitty couple of months or whatever, whatever. But like when I was watching the show and I was watching her with her son and I don't mean to equate a child with the dog.

No, yeah. I was thinking to myself that same gut-riching feeling of, oh, man, I don't have that much longer with this person. And like what that means, I was very connected to it. I was like, that's, and the thing becomes at the end like cloning the dog would be expensive. You could do it. But how does that then entangle or disentangle you

with a human emotion and a human feeling, which is what grief is? Exactly. Grief and loss is a part of that. And so much of the stories that we love are about people's either inability to face what they've done in the name of grief or inability to face what grief actually is.

She cannot face her son. Right. Not because she's not ready to take accountability. She can't face her son because she's too sad. She's too sad about the life that the son had to live so that she could avoid her grief so that she could avoid going through what she had to go through in order to give him that little bit of extra time. Yeah.

So to me, that's a whole different journey. Akatha hasn't even started that journey yet. Everything that she's done since we've seen her is a journey of self-preservation and selfishness. That journey with her son is about self-discovery. There's going to have to be something else that she realizes about herself, maybe even in death, that allows her to, like, confront such a profound greed. and a profound loss that a lot of people don't want to, that I'm thinking about spending $50,000 to $70,000

so that I can at least mitigate a little bit by having another dog. Exactly. And I think that I can agree with that. I can see that that is a more personal journey and the beginning of that journey starts with that sacrifice for building. It started with her admitting that she couldn't face it. That's the beginning of the journey.

The beginning of that journey starts with her admitting that that's the thing. She doesn't want, she can't be banished to hell. She must stay on an earthly plane, not to complete some type, but to avoid. I actually love that. Yeah. Because like we ultimately know that goes stay on this plane because they have unfinished business on earth. But instead, but instead she does it out of avoidance. Yeah.

Like I felt that was genius. And another great genius thing that the show did was the idea that they didn't know. she didn't know how long she had with her son. Right. She wasn't told by Rio. She knew it wasn't long. It wasn't long, but that could have just, that could have been anything. She didn't, at that point, Rio didn't even need to show up.

Yeah, it could have been six months. It could have been six years. It could have been 60 years. It never would have been enough time. Let's go back to the penultimate. Sure. Because the penultimate had me on some usual suspects, Kaiser Sozay shit. I did not see that coming.

What did you not see coming? Him having created the road. It's got to listen to house a lot. They got locked in. Yeah. No, there were breadcrumbs everywhere. Everywhere. Yeah.

Yeah. You know what? I don't need these you, we're not, okay. This isn't us calling you dumb because you didn't see it. I don't need y'all judgment, man. Like, okay, so Joe and Mallory are smarter than me. We didn't say that.

That's not us saying your, no. So, Mallory and Joe, we're not. That is not what? Running tape. Did we say that? I stole your California connection. So what? Oprah calls this projecting.

What movie is that? Hold on, wait, wait, wait. I need everybody. Good day. Hey, hey, I stole your California. Don't look it up. I know, but I'm just, I stole your California connection. Is this an offensive accent that you're doing right now?

No, no, that's how he says it. Okay. Goodbye. What movie is that from? Can't say. Does anybody know? The French connection. Wrong.

Does anyone know? Does anyone in the room know? What, where am I? Oh. It sounds like in Miami. Does anyone, hi, you're almost close. Does anyone in. Scarface?

Carface. No. Does anyone in the audience know right now? Yes, George. I stole your California connection. He's talking to a character named George. So what? Miami Vice?

I'm just, I don't know. I'm going to start doing this every now. If we don't know, you're not saying it again. I'm guessing. I'll tell you why I'll start doing it every now and again. Okay. Because people were fucking appalled by Chi Chi to Doer. But he didn't say that in English, though.

But he's right there in the subty. I don't. It's right there. You say it in. You see it. No, no. I get like, that's not what he said to the movie.

That's not what he said. Whatever. I stole your California connection. What movies is this from, man? I'm not doing this. Stop, don't have me sigh, Alaya. What movies?

You got to wait a second. I think it's fair that us being on movie TV podcast that we should know lines. Every, but like every single one. Brother man. If you know right now, if you know,

shout out to everybody. I looked it up. I know what is what it's from now. It's from Blow, 2001. Right. I ain't never seen. All right. Y'all never seen Blow before?

No. You've never seen Blow. No. Who in this room has seen Blow before? Clearly nobody else. None of y'all have seen Blow. No. What the fuck is happening, man?

So y'all just don't watch movies that are awesome. Again, we might have been. When I tell you, this is the first time I've ever heard of that movie. I've stole your California. Oh, but no, but that is that scene when Johnny Depp looks at Penelvie Cruz and they're this. like both of us are the hottest people on planet Earth. I never, no, I never even heard of that movie before.

Okay. Okay. So Mallory and Joe smarting me. I didn't see it. We're not calling you dumb. I'd say, okay. Oh, that's not what you said. Oh, oh, you got to be, you got to be locked in. The bread crumbs were there.

And that's when, again, they mentioned it. And I started, like, paying attention. Yeah. Billy's always the person who finds the clues, right? Like, he's always a person who's like, like, kind of like bringing them down the road. And so it was kind of like, huh. And then you go back. and like obviously I didn't really watch it

but I'm thinking back in my head and I'm like oh like Captain Hahn is like making it up and you go you think it's her tunnels when they alluded to the underground transit system that's where the road was like

taking place in the underground tunnels right so it's really like you think like Catherine Hans like you think she's like using her like like yeah I've been to the road all that she literally is like making it up as she goes not as like gravitas literally like holy crap I just make this up

yeah and I don't have to like fan my way through it. You know, it re-contextextual lights the whole thing in a way that I think is amazing. The appearance of Wiccan. He was wickened out. Oh, man. He was in Wiccan costume.

That was so cool. This is one that I wanted to know what Charles thought. Because the show for a second, almost seemed like it was about to devolve. CGI. CGM battle. CGI, superhero bullshit.

You're right? It did not. It did not. It did it. And I love the idea that when he gets thrown into the greenhouse, you just like see flashing lights and what would have been a fight

for like two seconds. And they're like, money. And even the show's like, this is stupid. We can't fight that. No, I don't think they had the budget if we're being completely honest. That's fine. But it, I still worked out. I think, and like the funniest part of these last episode, you speak of the waking costume, but it's all over

and he like, oh, gets in his Subaru. That's so funny. It drives over full costume. He flew into it, he flew into the fight scene, and then he walked out and drove away out of town. Well, maybe he didn't have, he had drank some of his mouth. Well, no, you got to take the car home. You can't leave the car. You can't leave the car. You can't leave with a fly back and then drive that home, you know what I'm saying?

I wonder about it. It's just so funny to think of this like a superhero hopping in. Yeah. So does Superman get on a plane? I think Clark Clant could. Yeah. Superman probably just don't need. Well, no.

Well, what I'm saying is because so like in Lewis and Superman and Lewis, they don't take a, they don't take a plane. Like they go on different vacations and he carries her and they fly. Yeah. What about the luggage? I mean, I don't know. I mean, you would think that he's Superman. He could probably fly and carry her in a couple of bags. But you never see them carry the bags.

I would imagine maybe like a Santa Slay situation where like he pulls a vehicle in the air. That's not going to work. That's not going to work. You're not going to Europe with the car. Yeah, you're not going to Europe with the car, though. That's fair. Also, she's got to wear a coat because it's crazy cold up in the sky. He probably does kind of something.

But does she have goggles on too because of the wind? She would have to. Yeah, definitely. But what I'm saying is Superman, kind of like the Billy situation, there's probably times where Superman just goes, you know, I just want to take regular transportation now. I just don't feel like I don't want to fly. It's too much. Or maybe I want to see how people are fucking, like, living.

I feel like I would annoy him, like, immediately. What? Because it's just so slow. No, but you got to like, but then you're like, I'm a regular person. Nobody knows I'm superman because I'm taking a plane. If I was Superman, I want to be taking a plane. You got to, you know what I'm saying? You got to.

But like what does the third hour on an L.A. New York flight feel like for Clark King? He's like, what the fuck, bro? Like, he's like, he's pissed off. He's watching friends. He's like, I could have been there. Right. By now, this doesn't make.

The in flight is bad. He didn't think to pre-download Netflix. No, but that's what everybody else is watching. Really? This is how they indoctrinate people. Everybody else is watching friends. You know what I'm doing on the plane? I'm scrolling past the fact that higher learning is on the plane.

the plane and hopefully let the person sit next to me notices that it's me. Okay. That's the most conceited shit ever. Now you got to flex a little bit. My favorite, I do love when people go on the Delta flight and they're like, hey, you know, hey, we hire higher learning, all their podcasts. I'm like, yeah, I'll watch my own shit and somebody would be like, somebody will be like, is that you? I'll be like, there. Oh, yeah? Oh, because it got your picture on it. Yeah.

They got your picture on it. You caught me. It's me. It's me. You sign an autograph? So, look, back to what we're talking about. Okay, so we can reveal, Wicken in full costume, this is not the first time, which Young Avengers have we seen in full costume by this form? In full costume?

I mean, Hawk Eye, Hawkeye, we've seen Miss Marvel. Miss Marvel, full costume. Does Iron, I know. Stature? Stature, yeah. Stature, full costume. Ironheart, I would imagine. No Patriot.

No Patriot yet. So most of the Young Avengers that we would be in the Young Avengers, we've seen them in full costume at this point. They're definitely around, yeah. Yeah. If they ever get around to making that movie. Movie. We will see.

Television show, whatever. Whatever we got. By the way, just let you know, if they do Young Avengers as a television show, it will suck. Whoa, hold on. Hey, Marv, if you're all listening, I got my pitch ready. Just hit my line. We could talk. I got eight episodes for you, right off the top.

Only eight? I got you. It needs a movie. Ain't nobody watching a Younger Fidger's movie. Okay. I will. I mean, you're going to watch a Thunderbos movie. Yeah.

Yeah. It's not the same. Rio, what did you figure at the end of it, Rio as death? Great. What's her function in the show? At the end, at the end. At the end, actually, I think that it was more so reinforced again by the final episode

because the, the episode seven, like reneging on Agatha and Rio's deal, that they had where they're like, you need to convince Billy to come to me because that has to be a choice and I can't just take him like because he's upsetting the balance of things.

There have been a lot of like fictional portrayal like personified portrayals of death. Like I think of Sandman. I think of a couple of others. And Rio comes as like both as a comfort to people when she takes them and as like a weighted scale of something that can,

is supposed to be the equalizer in the universe. She's aware of the responsibility that, like, death and this and, like, this cosmic cycle is supposed to be. I got that from her performance. It was really, really well done when she's trying to make Agatha understand that, like, you can't wiggle out of just making Billy your linchpin for redemption and acting like he's the thing that can save you after all this said and done. That comes from you.

And the idea that in the finale, we don't really see much of her after that. But when we have that fight and when she makes that sacrifice and they kiss, which was like kind of incredible, everything is like balanced and right with her. And then she's just away. I love that. It takes a lot to do that. Also, by the way, the effect of that skull on her face. Awesome.

I love that. I love that every time. Yeah, well, she needed a body, right? Your whole thing was like, look, one of y'all got to pick up the phone and come through because what's not going to happen is I got to leave both of y'all on Earth. That's not how it gets down. So ultimately, when Agatha makes her sacrifice, she's like, Matt, that's cool. I think guys are coming out.

I'm going to go back to wherever the hell she came from. I was chilling. So I think the show did a, like, a pretty solid job of, like, making us understand that because it could have been like why she was really mad about Billy inhabiting a new body right the end of the beginning of episode eight she was like he perverted the laws of nature yeah he can do that uh he got to come with me and even though uh agatha was like hey that's sound good to me when billy like ghost her head is like yo it's this what happened to your son it's like you understand like okay she only needs one of these guys to come

through agatha made the choice that she made in real is no longer no longer needed for the story I also like how the idea that she doesn't treat any other character other than Agatha with that level of partiality. That's her ex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like she said it herself, like nobody's gotten more special treatment than you. Because she made that deal with her son. She gave him that time. She's allowing all of these things on her watch.

And she doesn't even really talk to most of those other characters after they die. They're just like time. You ever treat it? Y'all ever treat X too nice? What? You ever treat X too nice? I mean. No comment.

And, you know, why would you treat a mean? That's true, but, like, she was real doing a lot, fracked, you know what I'm saying? She could have been like, hey, no, it's not how we get down. She was like- Bad break-ups? Not really. You know what I'm saying? You don't treat it's bad.

I'm not saying you straight a bad, but I'm saying, like, you ever gone above and beyond somebody? It's tough to call. I've already peeped it. I peeped it. What are you talking about? What did you say was a tell? You ever treated X too nice? An ex is a person.

Brother, man. It's a person that you used to share stuff with. I see what Jomey does. In the context of the show, Rio says herself, I'm doing a lot for you. Let me tell you something. I never forget why my friends told me this one time, I looked at him differently.

He said, I was tall, I was like, yeah, I transferred back to my old school or to a new school where my ex-girlfriend went. This is college? This is college. And he goes, hey, man, she's gonna be up there. You go and see her. And he was like, shit, you might catch her on a bad day,

looking bad and I feel good about yourself. And I was thinking, why don't want to catch her on a bad day? you're on a bad day. Why what I want to see you're looking bad? What are you talking to me right now? You're very toxic. You're very toxic. Toxy. And that's how you are. It's not even on. So how do you treat them? Do you block, do you block X's? I don't block anybody. Do you mute them? I don't meet any. Well, do you meet people on Twitter? Do you mute X's? No. Do you mute X's? Do you go out your way not to see X's? Do you, do you appreciate the time you you had with someone? Of course. Or, and you don't know how long it's going to be? Wait,

You're still. Either you have to look at people that you're in a relationship with you. Okay. You can either appreciate the time that you have with them. Of course. Or you can look at that as time wasted. Which one do you look at? Not as time wasted.

Everything's a lesson. So what's too nice to treat an X? Probably like letting them not, you know, die for thousands of years and like being like, hey man, we're going to let you stay alive and you're not going to kill you. Like I've given you so much leash right now at this point. I got it. It's one of the other. Let's say you worked at Best Buy.

Would you let an X? use your employee discount. You don't speak and you can't possibly speak for personal experience here. Would you let an ex use your employee discount? Yeah, probably. Let's say you worked at a pizza restaurant. Okay. A ex comes there, you're making the pizza. Is it Pizza Hut? Dormonos?

No. Little Seasers, because this little Caesar's brother is $5. No, it's $5. No, come on. I'm talking about if you worked at a pizza restaurant, your ex comes in, she's with her. No, nigger. You see the X come in there.

Of all the pizza joints and all the world. All the world. She had to walk into money. So here's the deal. She would have a new nigga, right? Yeah. You making pizza. This is not a just situation.

She's not great. $17.5 an hour. Why are you saying hi to me behind the counters? The new niggas coming in. He's like, oh, shit, this is about to make my fucking pizza. Oh, he knows about me. He knows all about me. He knows about me.

He knows about it. So then this is a setup, really? Yeah, it really is definitely a setup. The question is, do you make the best possible pizza you can make, number one? and do you give them a discount on the pizza? Or do you play it bitter? Fuck up their mozzarella and maybe charge this nigga

a little extra for napkins and shit like that. Maybe charge a little extra for ratch for ratch. You always got to charge for ranch. You don't, but you don't. You could give them a rash free. I went to, I was at David Busters the other day, man. Nickel and dime you for brother. For some barbecue sauce, bro.

60 cents was barbecue sauce. It's not crazy. Just a packet? No, no, no, for like the little thing. Look up. It's not the crazy, but it's still like Get out of here. It's still crazy.

Trump voter's crazy, but all right. But like, how do you play it? I mean, you make the best pizza you can for this person that you shared all of this with? Or do you fuck their pizza up a little bit? You got to show out. You got to show up and show out. That's what I would do.

You got to do the whole thing. Yeah, yeah. Hey, man. Hey, I know y'all got, you know what I'm saying? I know y'all wanted to two cheese and two pepperoni, but I threw in a little sausage food. Yeah, you know what I would say after that? I'd be like, girl, just let you know,

I gave you out some extra sashes, which is what you used to get before you started. I see, I wouldn't do that far. I want to go that far. We go that far here. Hey, man. Locking it down. Let's see.

Here's an extra ranch on the house. You know what I'm seeing? You know what death in the show represents to me? What? What? Something that Agatha can't avoid. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

You hit on it. So all of that other stuff that we're talking about, right? The entire show is about escaping. Yes. It's about escaping. Escaping, escaping. Trial, escaping, escaping. trials to get out of that.

Death looks at Agatha, Rio looks at Agatha and says, you will eventually go. Yeah. And Agatha says, not for a long, long, long,

long time and this is the way I wanted to happen when it happens. Yeah. Agatha, who has been doing everything that she could to survive,

everything is survival, survival, survival, just survival. None of us will survive. That's one of the things you have to accept about life. Nobody survives.

You don't survive. And when you accept that, it kind of dictates a little bit in the way that you live your life. Yes. Right. Agatha could probably have been a different person with a completely different set of circumstances,

like moving on before this. Yeah. She tried to get her way out of death in so many different ways. She actually tried to fuck her way out of death. Try to sleep her way out of death with death. Sure. You know what I mean?

They're on each other. But the bond that she has with death is one of the reasons why she's able to kind of manipulate and game the system. That's the special. And in the end, I mean,

you're saying that she got with her just because of her job. Probably. At the end, it happened. I wouldn't put it, I would have put a past Agatha. Yeah.

Right. Do that to me at Best Buy. But like, we know. But, but it's like, so what I'm saying is that death and best spies,

in that situation, what Agatha really learns to me at the end of the show is she doesn't learn how to face her grief, but she does learn to accept. the fact that she can't exist forever. That in order, the one thing that she wanted was to continue to draw power

and continue to draw all of this stuff so she could live as long as possible. That's what she has to give up. Yeah. She has to give that up. She has to put something ahead of her primal need to survive at all times. Yeah, and there's comic pretense for her becoming a ghost.

She's like, like, what's her name? Wanda's like mentor, once in the run of the comics where she's just like presiding over her and helping her like that. And so like, yeah, we're gonna, I think we're gonna see Agatha ghostly with Billy for a while.

You know, it's be cool. She's got the white hair now and whatnot. The idea of Billy being a stand user is pretty cool. Like having just like a ghost team up. Could be fun. And if she's got magic powers that can like damage people,

that's a double. Were the other characters in this show done service, done justice? I would say that Paddy Lapone was Lillia was I would argue that Jen was I don't

I don't know about Alice I don't think Alice was no I don't think Alice was They do what they tried at the end at the beginning of her He's like Hey uh you gotta You gotta go

And then she's like but I have to have him It's like you protected him You protected You're like all right bro Yeah all right yeah well It's kind of like you just met the mark Yeah you got a C plus man You got the 70 bro you get on

get up out of here That's kind of what I felt like 70's a C plus No no that's a C No that's a C minus actually Oh yeah It's just a C minus No no no 70's C minus

I mean I'm saying it's you just Yeah I mean it's like a 2.0 Yeah it's tough 2.0 Yeah I do a little bit better You can't bring that show home to me Oh it's C oh my gosh bro Listen if you

Okay if it's like if you only get one C Nah you can get a C but like you get a C You get a C I need a solid C plus You would have hated my report cards Oh my goodness Just, just, just, really? Scraping by, huh? Man, it was bad.

Well, math was the one because I hated. You struck me as a guy that thrived in college, grade-wise, and then struggle in high school. No. Kind of because, my high school wasn't like too easy. I wanted, that's not, it was just, like, not interesting. I was not, well, I was my studying for it. That was me, too. I wouldn't think this coming from, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. So you would imagine when I came home, I got three Cs. Nah. On that five-week-a-part card, I. You all that's on the mind. It wasn't that serious That's a wild impression It was not that serious

But it was not that serious But it was like All right bro What are you doing my boy We're not going to pizza Agatha is over guys It's fucking done The show is over

There's no more Agatha Wait hold on You've got a nitpick about Agatha When Jen When Jen flies When Jen When Jen comes out the ground Oh right

And what does Jen do I kind of want Wanted us to retire The Iron Man Flying Pose where it's like they're it looks like they're propelled by the things on their hands and then one foot

I don't know why it just got to me it's like it's a constant thing for me and it just feels weird I don't understand nobody when she gets out of the thing and she flies when she does like this

as a pose as a flying pose as opposed to what I don't really like that okay what are these supposed to do Steve I don't know how would you like them to fly

I don't know like fly it a little like uh like that I don't know like so fist out No, no. You tell, no. Tell me how you want people to fly.

I don't fucking like what people. It is the nittest of picks. Steve, listen, the nitpick is fine. That's okay. We're here. We're doing a podcast. We can nitpick. Show us how you want people to fly. I believe Steve can fly. Ah, that's not a good reference. It's like how do you want people to fly?

So that type of flying is bad because you look like you were actually tooting it up. Well, yeah, because it's like, yeah, no, it looks like they're farting. Like that type of, okay, how do you want them to fly? Show me what flying looks like to you. You got to do it. You got to do it. How do you want them to fly? I think probably just like that.

Brother, wait a minute. Steve. Go to the dive-in-law? Yeah. I just need. What if they just flew upside down? I would love it if they flew upside down. You're not going to work.

It's not going to work. It's not going to work. It's not going to work. Jesus Christ. Okay. And that's not going to work for you cognitively. it's going to be tough. All right.

But I'm asking you right now. I'm just saying we can be a little bit more invented. Okay. Who do you like their flying stuff? Give me somebody that flies. And you're like, oh, my fucking nigga will fly when you're flying. It's in, I like invincible with two fists out. Okay.

I remember. Oh, Green Lantern. Green Lantern's great. Okay. Yeah. Okay. He's led by the ring. Led by the ring.

It's like, it looks like something's pulling him rather than pushing out. Okay. Like he's being. Okay. Yeah. All right. That makes a lot sense. Yeah.

I think... Like when Thor flies, he's, like, swinging out like that. So if you don't have a hammer or a ring. You know what I mean. But, like, I want the illusion of propulsion to just be going out. Not like you're coming back and being pushed. You want to fly the other way. I got it.

Give me a beat. Okay. Oh, me? Yeah, Steve beats. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, all season long, we've been talking about the road. The road.

You've been on the road, you know what I'm saying? On the witch's road. Witches road. With the Midnight boys, we got our own road. You feel me? We do our own thing. How was this preamble? I thought he was going to be.

That's it. Sold it. Sold it. You just sold it. What happened? You got to do the preamble. You sold the whole thing. I had a whole thing.

I had the whole thing. And you sold it. See, a lot of people say, Right. I'll be honest. That's what I'm talking about. Right. Then what are you doing?

A lot of people say, hey, why does Steve always get? Why are they fucking picking on Steve? It's stuff like that. Yeah. Okay. You talk over the beat. I had a whole Midnight Boys Road thing that I was going to do.

And you, why are you doing this? You've heard it. Do you think that Eminem really couldn't hear his snare? No, of course he could hear the snare. He could hear the snare. Turn me up in the headphones. Turn me up on the headphones. It's already up.

That's part of it. It's up. Hold on. Come on. Come on. Come on. It's Halloween. Do his people give us a second chance?

No. Right to press a license place. Right. If you want to hear the Midnight Boys Road song, Steve ruined it. And Steve's going to live with that. But I can tell you something I believe in this guy. He'll be better than next time. I will.

Do you know what the name of the song was? What was it? We got some chodes on the road. Would have been special. Seekest thou the chodes? Would have been special. We got some chodes on the road with some holes on the road. All right.

That's what the song was going to be. But you didn't want to hear it. Midnight meter. I was running out of breath. Got a little winded. Right. You were like, yeah, it's true. Yeah.

Midnight meter. Yeah. One to 10. 10 to 12. Game changes. Game changes. Okay. 11 to 12 game changers, one to 10.

Right. We're going to start with me. The people out there are not going to like this. Uh-oh. They're not going to like this. I give Agatha all along a nine on the midnight meter. I think that Agatha all along. was as solid.

Yeah. A television entry from Marvel that we've had. Now, was the ending perfect? No, it's not as good. Sure. I say that. You know what I'm saying? It's not as good as Wanda Vision.

It's not as good as the first season of Loki. Right. However, it is comparable to those shows in terms of what it did. It was a show that didn't set ridiculously high expectations, and it delivered. It was fun. It raised the stakes in the end. It debuted a brand new hero.

I think that this show is a nine. It's probably one of the biggest and most pleasant surprises that Marvel has given us in quite a long time. I got to go with the nine as well, man. Really? I really, really, I was not expecting the show to move me the way it did. I think the last three episodes did some really,

like took some really incredible swings. I think they hit up all of them. Yeah. You know, kind of like Freddie Freeman in the World Series. Just, just hitting up things up apart. You know what I'm saying? And so I really think this show, like, when we talk about the best season of Marvel TV, I'd argue, like, you could probably have this one in like the top three.

You know, you can definitely make an argument along with like Wanda Vision, two seasons, Loki, and this. I think you can definitely like put it up there with some of those. And so I got to give it in mind. It was that good. I'm only going to slightly go lower and say it's an eight. Again, I think it's just the ending, like, probably recency bias. I might need a little bit more time away from it, but like, I'm just like,

I'm little itchy about the MCU machine of it all at the very end of it. But like, man was I having a great time for like 99% of it. Like, it was incredible. What do you think Charles would have given it? Let's guess what Charles would give it. Six. strong strong five

yeah he wasn't he wasn't fucking with it from the beginning no but I think I think he would say he warmed to it a little bit more so than others so Charles didn't Charles is on vacation so he didn't have to be here do you guys think that Charles has watched

the last couple episodes let's call him right now call him right now see if he watched it because we got to get the midnight because if he did there's a 5% chance he answers the phone does he answer the phone yeah often

he doesn't sound like a guy that would get right back to you no no it's not happening fourth ring it's not happening right damn oh we're gonna let this motherfucker ring out damn ducking it all he knew he knew he knew

you know Yo, Chuck, what up? Is the Midnight Boys, Jomey, Steve? He knows who we are. What's going on? Isaiah ain't here. He drunk. Hey.

Steve fucked up so bad, bro, when we was doing this song, you gotta see. We was just wondering what you would have given Agatha on the Midnight Meader and whether or not you watched the last two episodes of Agatha. Or if you plan this vacation just so that you wouldn't have to review it. All of that stuff. We miss you, dog. Get us back, man. We don't have to say what out you, G?

All right. All right. We have to move on now. Penguin. Penguin time. Hey, the penguin. The penguin. All right.

No midnight manifests for penguin. No. Stuff happens. A lot of stuff. Table setting. Okay. Some table setting. But also we're starting to see a little bit more.

Look, there are those out there in Penguin land that are saying that the penguins losing stink. Who's in Antarctica, watching the penguin right now? Antarctica? Yeah, you said penguin land. That's what a penguins live. I don't think that's the only place they live.

It's not the only place. Penguins live in many places. But they mainly live in Antarctica. I know, but there are other places. But there are other places that penguins live. So they have penguins in Brazil? I believe so. In South America.

I think there's like, yeah. Yeah. So what I'm saying is when you say shit and you're saying, oh, it's only like, when I'm like, yo, where do penguins live? You're going to say Antarctica. Yeah. But at the same time, though, you can't say that that's, okay.

I didn't say it was the only place they live, but like, where do black people live? Everywhere. Okay. Right. So you can't really say, right? Because black people live in Nigeria. Black people also live South Bankrupt. Yeah, but like it's, okay.

All right. Penguins are everywhere. Penguins are everywhere. Black people are everywhere. Black people live. Actually, matter of fact, penguins are the black people of nature. That's- Un-this thought.

Please finish this thought. Because we're around. Okay. Because we round? We're around. We've been around. All around. How do you think penguins got to,

All right, bro. Yeah, you're not being serious. I'm saying we can, you're not being serious. When you look at it, that's a good animal for us to be. Not really. I'm not saying. The flightless birds? But why do we have to fly?

We don't have to do what other people say we have to do. All the other birds want to fly. We want to stay connected to the land. We want to be able to swim. We want to be able to be cool and ice. Dad watch over the eggs. Dad's watch over the eggs. We made for life.

I never see the penguin cheat. I don't see the black man. I don't see the black man. We made for life. Families, happy feet. Sing a dance. That's true. That's true. That is kind of true.

And he was doing like a Latino accent. This probably doesn't work. So I don't know about the show losing steam. I think it, I think what has happened is the show is like kind of flipped a little bit. Like we keep, you keep talking about how Sophia and, what's his name? Sal. I've like teamed up, right? And so now there's like this driving force and they're not, like, they were going head to head in the first four episodes.

Now they kind of split up. and they're kind of doing their own thing. It's not until the end of this episode where we see, what's her name? Kristen Melati's character in the room, said Sophia, in the room with Crowbar with Vic and Oz's mom. And so I think we're going to get back

to the clash that we've had the first, you know, for first four episodes. But yeah, they've kind of diverted a little bit. I think that's kind of like made people question, but I think we're going to get right back on track next week. I wouldn't say it was wheel spinning, but I think it's just more of like reinforced character stuff that, I mean,

we could have spent doing a little bit better things or more productive things for the show. But I like it. It's still a fun time. Yeah, I think, and especially for Oz too, because I think if you look at it, just do that view. Maybe it's a little bit more.

But like for Vic, they got to kill somebody this week. Very big, big episode. Very big Vic episode. He's probably like, what, the third most important character in the show and he like had to lay somebody. out because they were asking too many questions.

That's big for him. He literally was like quite literally shaking in his boots. Great scene. Great scene. Love seeing the look on his face before, during and after. Yeah. Like that revelation that, again,

a fantastic performance from everybody involved here, but like I love seeing that turn from a character that like actually is like when he's in the shit and there's no going back from something like that. seeing that portrayed like very well, that was moving. It reminded me of, it reminded me that scene in the wire. It's about the same. Bodie and Wallace. It's not like the same because they,

they got a connection on the way back, but he didn't like, just like Bodie, he didn't want to have to kill that guy. Yeah. But he felt no other option and had to make a call. You know what it rhymes me of? I get the Bodie and the Wallace thing.

But it reminded me of Michael. Oh, it was. So it's funny. The show is always compared. to the Sopranos, obviously. Right. Oz is in the Sopranos, and some of the characters are too.

But Vic is squarely in the wire. Squareless. Squarely. And particularly the part of the wire where we're looking at the younger kids, your Duquans, aka. Duky, your Namans, your Michaels,

all of these guys, and how they graduated from being young whippersnappers to, some of them being criminals and some of them finding their way into addiction and some of them finding their way out of the streets. In this particular situation,

he was put in a situation much like Michael. Where there was no way around it. The only way around it was to get deeper in. Michael approached that in two different ways. Of course, there was the first time he was dealing with the gentleman who had come back to live with his mother's boyfriend

and he knew that that was going to lead to a road of abuse. And everyone had been trying to figure out how to get Michael closer to him. Cuddy, um, Bodie, everybody.

But Michael got into a situation where there was literally no escape. The only escape was to get deeper into the streets. The same thing happened to be. Vic was up against

somebody that he knew, that he knew wasn't going to take the money, um, that was threatened by his very appearance there. Yeah. And you, as soon as he,

Squid did that, I knew Squid had to die. Yeah. Like, there was no way out of it. Squib was going to keep coming back. He was going to keep threatening. He just did not respect Vic.

And Vic is in a world now where the ability to meet out violence is just a big part of the currency. And one of the best scenes in the show is when Oz just reads it. Like Oz reads it. He sees him. He knows that he's shaking up. Yeah. Like he gets it. He sees it.

He's been there. It's like, yo, you got away with it, but you deal what you had to do. And that to me is one of the more compelling things about the show right now. There is a part of me that believes the show was operating at its highest frequency when it was Oz figuring out how to stay alive around these criminal organizations. Now that he's building an organization that, that is, I guess, in opposition to those things.

It's, I love the show still, but that is a different show. No, yes. Right, yeah. And they're falling into it right now as there were a lot of great scenes this episode, the scene between Oz's girlfriend and, and Sophia,

there are a lot of great scenes. A lot of great scenes. Yeah, it's like the goals and plot of this particular episode don't exactly align with the overall plot of the season, if that makes sense. Like, the grassroots building of that organization,

while those characters are getting deeper and deeper into what they're going through is the thing that while him and Sophia are separated kind of has to happen we're more so here for when they come back together is the stuff where Oz's mom working right now it worked earlier on

but we've been getting more than we've been getting more of her little of that goes a long way and I think it's yeah and I think we're going to get the preoffs next point because you know Sophia's in the room with them and I think Oz is going to have to make a choice and I think it's going to be a hard one. So I'd say this about the penguin.

Do you know every now and again, and I wonder if you guys feel this way, every now and again, I have to remind myself that I'm watching the show about the penguin. Really? Because the show is so much better than it's so,

I'm so into the actual world. Yeah. That makes you forget that this is a Batman story. I haven't even thought about Batman. Right. Speaking of Batman, Thursday, October 31st. That's today. That's when the Batman takes.

Oh, wow. It takes place Halloween. It takes place Halloween. I don't really think about it. You know, I just think it's a story about Oswald Cobbopat, which, yeah, the paying one, but the shows did a really good job of not, like, throwing the, we talked about it, like throwing the D.C., you know, like, oh, here's this person. Here's this person. You just see Oz as a guy trying to figure his way through the Underworld of Goth. It's a good balancing act of immersion because it's, you know, it's.

very easy to get, like, lost in the shadow of Batman or a bigger IP mainstay character when we're just following the penguin along. But Colin Farrell's doing this thing. Yeah, incredible. Acting, acting like crazy. That scene with him and the game bosses and they're, like, giving the bit, the beers. I'm so glad you brought that. And he is cooking.

He's like, yo, y'all want to live like this, man. We got to fight for what we want. And, again, he does his best work when the odds are against him. Up against the wall, like, bro, they're hanging my people, man. Like, this is not going to work. We got to, like, what are we going to do? So, hey, don't worry about them. We got us.

No, he challenged them. Yeah. He was like, they're hanging our people out here. And he was like, all right. Do you do something about it. And then he starts reminding them of how, even though these people have all of this power, these different gang bosses, that the people at the top never really took them seriously in the first place that they're not that much different than he is.

Exactly. Smart show. Cracked open a beer. It's going nuts with it. Good for him. Very dark show. Like, dark, like you can't see. You saw me.

I was watching this in the office when you were also there. The scene with Sophia and Shades from Luke Cage. Oh, yeah. Whoa. Oh, hey. Shays is getting it. Shays is fucked up. He's, that's, brother, that's, he's violating all type of hip of violation.

That's fine. That's fine. It's like, that's what Shays is into. I mean, I'm not, I don't want a king. I don't want to keep so. But it's not for me. Not for us. Not for me.

Not for you as far as getting like what she's, she's cutting them up? Yeah. She was getting cut up too. Did she have stuff on her name? Those might be old wounds from the Arkham days. I really don't want to speculate. Yeah.

At this point, they was having a good time. That's nasty. He seemed really bummed that it was ending. I was like, brother, you were tied up with your pants down. I don't know how that would be fun for you. But at the end of the day, man, live your life. He's their own.

What is going to happen next? I mean, I talked about it earlier. It's going to be Vic and the mother and Oz's mom. And Oz is going to have to make a call because they got him dead to freaking rights, man. Old girl sold him down the river. I get it because she was like, because Sophia was like, look, all your homies, they knew that my dad, or Oz knew that my dad killed him. He sent me up for him. Is that your man's for real?

And she was like, actually, I thought she was going to like let him live. She was like, he didn't count point. So Oz and his, Oz. He's going to have to make a tough decision between Vic and his mother and it's going to be something. Pay attention to Oz's reaction when Vic and him and his mother were all together.

Mother showed a very specific affinity for Big. Oz did not react well to that. Big Mama's boy. Oz did not react well to that. Oz corrected Vic when Vic. Talking about his brothers. Talk about his brothers, number one.

But then also, when she said, says that, you know, Vic is a good boy and all of that stuff. Pay attention to the look on Oz's face. That's very good. Like, Oz does not really like that. So, you know, as Vic and Oz get closer, as a Vic is tasked with taking care of Oz's mother,

as how close is too close, Vic, what, as far as Oz is concerned to mom specifically, what happens? if there's a Sophie's choice there. I mean, obviously we seemingly would know what would happen, but like, what's the motivations behind the situation? Like, what's that going to be? Because I thought that Sophia,

the scene between Sophia and Oz's girlfriend was very interesting. Yeah. Because I expected that scene to go differently. Me too. I thought she was going to go. I thought Sophia would kill her. Oh, I didn't think she'd kill her,

but I think she'd give her up. I didn't think she gave him up. I thought that that was going to be, Sophia's final communion because there's still a shred of her that was not completely corrupted. There seems to be, for all that Sophia has done,

you still could make some sort of argument or justification for how and why she did the things that she did. But I think that's also the thing that differentiates her, at least in her mind to her dad, the idea of not compassion, but at least like understanding and to like pick her spots with how vengeful and

vindictive she'll be. I thought that in that scene she would essentially become her father but they stepped away from that ledge. They don't want to do that with her. And you can believe that she doesn't want to do that. Yes, no she doesn't. No, she doesn't. As soon as she

actually is still so put off by the moniker of the hangman that she feels the need to explain herself. And she does explain herself. She explains herself pretty well. She explains herself. And then after that,

there seems to be a bond between those two women, which that kind of came out of nowhere that she would give Oz up. I mean, once she realized that Oz was the one that kind of hurt or didn't care about the girls being hurt. Yeah. I think it kind of makes a little sense that both these women seem pretty trot upon,

men in the society that they put them in. Exactly. Like there's an understanding there and I don't think that that's something that's going to be wasted or batted away. Like there's a camaraderie there. Yeah, sisterhood. They understood. As Joe says, sisters are doing it by themselves. This is very important. Very important saying that I got from Joe. Sisters are doing it by themselves. That's exactly, that's the exact wording. That's the way it goes. All right, Real quick, before we got out here,

a little Marvel trailer came out. It's been all over, and then it popped up before Agatha. It showed us our scenes from, that's Spider-Man cartoons, freshman year. Eyes of Wakanda. No. Yeah, it did. I know, but I was going on my own.

Oh, okay. You guys both jumped in and said, Eyes of Wakando. Y'all on the payroll of Big Cooghler? I'm sorry. Big Coogler? Yeah, because I was saying, I was just said Big Cooler. I was like, I've never gotten a Yeti before my life.

I was about to say that it was, you know what? You guys do the order since you want to jump in when I'm trying to out. You act like I wasn't going to say Wakanda. Of course I was going to say it. Why did y'all do that? I just noticed something. This is Mitt Madness. You guys have been trying to dominate me.

Mitt Vember really is getting right. The show. Mitt Vembers is cooking right now. We're real big-headed. And we got another one next week where it's just going to be us three. This is Mitt Madness right now. Steve didn't want to do it. Steve didn't want to do the song

He ruined the song I ran out of breath Yeah right like That's how you know You're not in the trenches Like Steve didn't want to do this I need to do car you more I'm trying to

Let it do you guys are like As of Wakanda Fuck you You know what You got You fucking do it You tell us about it then So

What if is coming The end of this year Can't wait Can't wait for what if Yeah And then we've got Daredevil Yeah

In 2025 What about Ironheart? Ironheart is also coming 2025. Can't wait for that. I'm super excited. What month? What month is it coming out? I want to say it's coming out in one of the 12 months. Yeah, you don't know. Okay, yeah, keep going.

What about that? Wonder Man is coming out December. Tell us a little bit about it. Yeah, yeah. I'm doing the team. They've got Ben Kingsley back. Yeah, playing who? Trevor. Trevor Slattery. Yeah, nice. Yeah, you know. Friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.

Yeah. It's coming out. What, tell us, go ahead and break that down for us. I can break it down. They showed us two shots. That's one of them singing, which kind of looks like a PS1 game play. Yeah. And then the other one... What you did the PS1 come out?

1994. Oh, I figured did you know something like that? Six. What was the original game that came out for it? Crash Manicute. Yeah, you don't know what the fucking was talking about. I wasn't born then. Yeah, so what?

So maybe you should not jump in when other people are trying to say so. Anyway, I think what's really interesting is like Marvel of Zombies as well. Oh, yeah. Zombies. Blades. Blades is in there. Yeah. Right?

So, hey, we're actually getting blade. We got blade. We got blade. Mission accomplished. Is there anything else that you guys want to talk about? Maybe some things that are around the corner for this year in 2025. Sure. What are those two things?

Mint member. No. No, wrong. You should. Oh, what if comes out December 2020. Yeah. Four. And then that's actually surprising to me.

Yeah, me too. Me too. And then. they made a big deal of advertising that they're pulling a Wolverine. Yeah, because hey, remember that thing that made us a billion dollars? Okay, I don't know why, and maybe I'm still falling for the juice. Sure. But I was excited to see a lot of this stuff.

Yeah, Wonder Man particularly. I don't know what Wonder Man is, but we got a year to figure that out, a year plus. Yeah, they're done filming on it, so it'll be like a nice long post-production. Yeah, I think, I mean, this, HBO does this all the time, right? Like when a show's really, yeah, scissors real or like what's coming to HBO, I should stay, subscribe, whatever. And I think that, I want to say this is like the first time they've done this.

And a lot of the stuff... I don't think it's the first time that they've done it, period. No, not period. It's the first one we've gotten in a while. In a while of like Disney or MCU stuff coming to Disney Plus. And obviously, I think the big stuff, we've seen the Daredevil footage, but I think another look at it,

and it just looks like it's going to be like a hell of a time. I think they're double born again is going to work. I mean, I would absolutely hope so. I would absolutely hope so. I mean, Ironheart, you know, A.O.C. it looks like. Yeah. It's finally coming out.

We will see it in 1975. So the fact that we're finally, like, going to see it to the light of day. Yeah. You know, see what look like. Yeah. I mean, I'm just saying, just be positive, nice. I mean, absolutely. Yeah.

Be respectful. Yeah, you got to be. Open hearts. Open minds. Iron hearts. What, what. Can't lose. What, uh,

Ironheart had a lot of momentum early on. It's one of those ones. It did. I mean, she's in, they introduced a character in a Black Panther movie. Sure. So it was something, it's one of those shows.

And I think maybe Wonder Man is also one. One of those shows that has been kicked around for a while. Yeah. That you're wondering if it's in MCU purgatory. Yeah. meaning if people if it's part of what people felt like they had to turn the page on

or if there's still room for it left. You know what I mean? So we'll see. Well, it didn't get bad girls. So, you know. Yet. I mean,

a lot of game left. I don't know. It'd be kind of crazy if you wake up in like March or April. I get it. And they're like, I don't think they're going to Zazlaw of anything. We just,

yeah, we just shelved the Yaya Abdul Mateen and Ben Kingsley show. We just do that in the garbage. That'd be kind of nuts. Yeah, no, that would be. That'd be a show. But I was excited to see all this stuff. Oh, definitely.

I mean, what? Spider-Man come out in January. We'll see what it looked like. I have not seen any footage that makes me feel good about the animation quality of the show, but maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. Yeah, also coming off of a very heavy arcane bias. Oh, my brother. How are you supposed to go?

It's really tough. Man, arcane looks. Arcane is beautiful, man. It's like, look at the Mona Lisa and then look at something made a Lego. And then you come. That boy, he's swinging, bro. It's not even in like six. It said like four phrase per second.

Go watch that clip of him swinging, bro. It looks bad, man. I'm sorry. I need Charles. What's Charles? God forbid that we come out here and do our thing. Charles, where's Charles, man? Do you feel like this is an away game for you?

This is, this is mint horses shit. I'm coming on y'all shit. Horse mint was right there. You know what, I'm going on y'all's shit. How's that sound? Okay. How about this? For as long as Charles is gone,

this is the crew. I'm coming on, I'm coming, for as long as Charles is gone, this is the crew. I'm coming on y'all shit. I'll walk in there. Hey,

yo, that's crazy. Bro, hey, come on, man. What you doing? Ports. Pots. You're down with the Paws now?

They're not going to let you back in the white society. You can't say that. So I'll, I'll be on you guys podcast. That was crazy. So this is, this is for as long as Charles was away,

Mitt, right. I'm going to be the third mic on Minn Edition. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Who else? Because it was, you know, whatever. But I'll be the third mic on a minute or not. We'll shoot you a talk. Yeah, don't call us. We'll call you. I will fucking show up to it. Okay. I know when it's filming. Sure. Okay. I'll come in there. I'll, I'll show up there.

and then if you guys don't let me in, I'll bang on the door outside. So I want to see how you guys deal. It's going to be like an orphan at Christmas, just like let us in. Yeah, I'm going to see how you guys deal. By the way, fans out there, if y'all want to see me operator's the third mic,

you can either watch rewatchables or. Wow. You can go. He doesn't even leave the seat. Jesus Christ, Christ, man. Or you can, I'm now, third, I will speak when I'm spoken to on me.

Oh, wow. You guys do it and do you guys come meet. Because I'm going to show you guys how you guys try to dominate me when Charles is around a couple of bullies. Yeah. It'll be the same thing. I mean, we got a whole like scheduled through 2024. It's really tough. Yeah, it's really tough to book out.

Yeah, we have to see what it looks in 2025. What we should go into is, you know what? I'm like, I'm not going to do that. Nope. I'm not, I'm not even going to do that. I don't have to do that Was that office quote? I've never seen such little power

Go to somebody's head. But all I see, all I say is you look out for niggas and this is what happens. That's a wrap. Tomorrow, House of all will have their Agatha Deep die for you.

This Saturday, Mitt Van Bimber begins. Jesus Christ. Mitt Vimber. Mitt Van Vimber. No man just. It begins. In addition, with Van, begins with Ben Limber.

Well, I'm not going to be on that one. To talk arcane and stalk Trek Lord Decks. Our producers are Steve, the Arctic Alam. Isaiah over-served Blake Lee. And Alea, O'Brien's, and there. Along with Jomey, the explainer, our dinner on, or socials. Hashtag Jomi Ben Diner on?

Yeah. because you just because the thing you just said. Oh, that's true. Additional production from Arjuna, the watcher, Rhonda Pounder. You know me, Charles isn't here. Me? Right.

Okay. And the audible gasp that came from every say, oh, no, he's got to. Charles is in here. Should we, do you want me to call Charles to send us off? Or do you want, do you want to try to send us off? I can try, but I'm not, it's just the OG. Because it's like, if we did, then you'd have to give him like a mad lib of things

that we talked about. No, no, no, no, no. I bet he could still do it, but the question is, can Jomi do it? I can give it a shot, man. Okay. Okay. Man, you're not coming on Min Edition.

You're really just a guy. Steve, I am begging you. Teach the MCU how to fly. That was great. A fucking plus. Hey, killed it. You know what another thing about Penguin is? Like, there are times when I'm watching the show.

Uh-oh. Oh. What up? You on the podcast. Wait, what? Yeah, you heard me. We're recording right now. Why are you talking?

Wait, why about the podcast? You're on the podcast. We got two questions for you. Are you ready? All right, shoot. What's the questions? And we've all kind of made our own guesses about whether or not what the answers these questions are.

First one, spawns the second. First question. Have you watched the last two episodes of Ackhothal all along? Hell no. Do it. Thank you very much, Charles. No shot. You all already need to answer that question.

All right, yeah, yeah. That's Charles Holmes, ladies and gentlemen. Give it up for Chuck. All right, we're going to ask you what the midnight meter all on it was, but we can't ask you that because you didn't watch it. All right, man, enjoy your vacation, bro. All right, thanks, peace. All right, peace.

That's all.