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This week on the Ringiverse feed. Min Edition returns. What are you guys doing? We're at least talking about invincible. Definitely talking about it. There's some... Y'all arguing about something else.

I mean, we're definitely talking about Invincible. We're definitely invincible. Don't you worry? For sure. We are absolutely covering invincible guys. Guys, special television. Y'all are missing out.

Y'all are not lost it. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. I'm sorry. You're missing out on cinema. It's cool. I don't have any problem with Invisible,

but here's the thing. The decision was made unilaterally that you guys were cover Invincible. No one asked us. So the reality is I got a lot of stuff to watch and I'll have time for it. I'll get to one else. You got a lot of white lot of stuff.

Like, sorry, Lil'Bro got a little bro got a little. Oh, he's not. This is crazy. Invincible and not little bro in the lineup? Give me an under, give me, put into context where Invincible ranks on the goodness scale. On the goodness scale this season right now?

I'd say maybe slightly not as good as season one. Would you agree? Nah, man, I think the season is like, I want to say it's better than season one, but I think it's on par in terms of like what is delivering week to week. I think we're getting. World's better than season two. How about that?

It's like World's Better and I thought season two was good. Compared to other shows. Because other shows like... Is it as good as this? Is it as good as that? Is it not quite as good as this?

It's not quite as good as that. I think it's operating on a higher level than White Lotus's right now. Severance, I'm not... I think Severance probably like the peak. That's the best show on television. I was about to say, I was like, joke. But like, I mean, at least for me personally,

Thursday's hit, that's the first thing I'm doing. It's some of the best superhero stuff that we got in quite a minute. Oh, man. There you know. That's fantastic. I'm glad. I'm glad because it's great to cover stuff that you love. Also on the House of Our feet, Daredevil and Yellow Jackets, coverage continues.

Yellow Jackets and Daredevil coverage continues. For us right here, right now, we're giving you instant reactions to the third episode of Daredevil. Dumb man, without fear. I had a dream a couple of nights ago, you guys, and I want to talk about this dream before we get into the show. Okay. It's going to be very quick. Okay.

I dreamed that I was on stage with Jay-Z. Wow. Wow. And I was rapping. Oh. Seeing it all by Jay-Z and Jeezzy. I was the J-Z. You were the J-Z part?

And I was rapping it, but I was crying. Oh. Why were you crying? Were you happy you sad? Because my life as a gangster drug dealer. Oh. had given me so much trauma that I was up there and I was crying. The crowd was going crazy.

Jay-Z was in the back. He was, like, intimidated. And I'm just going through the whole thing. I'm wrapping my heart out and I'm crying and tears are flowing. It was very emotional. I felt the emotion in the dream. So you took the dinner with Jayce instead of the 500K? That whole, that, let me tell you guys something.

The whole 500,000 versus dinner with Jay-Z. is a dick rider's fantasy Okay Well, depending on your answer No You guys $500,000 of cash money

Yes versus a dinner or a lunch Or a three-hour meeting with Jay Z It's a dick rider's fantasy I take a $100 bill Over having dinner with JZ The fuck dick going to do with me

Right Like what's like Yeah So it like I get it that Man I want to be It's just people who essentially grown men who want to fuck Jay-Z.

It's true. It is, every time I will watch it, I will watch it, and I would only pay attention to the people who would say that they would take the dinner. Right. I would only, Jay-Z about to order an appetizer, an entree,

drink some wine, and you're going home, bro. If you don't deserve it. It really matters where you take Jay-Z to. Take the money, put the money in the S&P 500. Take the money, put the money in the money market account. It's so much you could do with the money. Buy yourself a little chain and then take the rest of it. And just like, invest.

While we're on the topic of lunch, because the CIA is working over time in our community. Did you all- $30? No, did you see all the women arguing over $30 is enough for lunch? Have a seafood boils for lunch and shit? I've seen this. That was, that was crazy. That was-

Damn. You can't have lunch. The seafood boil. That can't be lunch. That can't be lunch. What would you do if you see it out of a girl that you were dating was just having seafood boils for like lunch, Jerry lunch? I'd be like, what?

Everything good. I love these little things. Shit, it's just so crazy. I'm going to create a burner account just to ask these questions. It's $30 enough for a lot. Now to shoot, the sister's some bail. It depends on what city you're in. Right.

I can take you to Delpit's Chicken Shack in Baton Rouge, and we could both eat good for $30, you know? Well, I spent $40 on a seafood lunch over the weekend, so I kind of was just like my sisters might have a point. Look, here's the thing. If you don't want to be with somebody who pays $30, then don't do it. Sure. There should be a rule.

If somebody was just like, hey, yo, they're in here $30 for lunch. I'll be like, I, damn, cool. Like, I'm eating good. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, I'm fucked up. You're giving her the $30 for me. Yeah, like a boy, like a, like a marriage is like,

that's not enough. That's not enough. That's not enough. Yeah, make it work. Like, making it enough. $30 for lunch. You, like, you could. If it was dinner, that would be one thing.

Lunch. Lunch? Get you a salmon salad and call it a motherfucker thing. Go to Panama, man. Get you a breadbo. By the way, by the way, by the way, that's lunch and a little something more. Alea, jump in.

Bread bowls. Bread bowls. It's $30 enough if somebody was giving you a little for lunch. Oh, why? It's 30, no, no, no. I didn't mean it like that.

You made some money. A laia, is $30 enough for you to eat lunch? I hated the sound you made, but yes, $30 is enough for lunch. Guess what that gets Alaya. I'm buying Allaya's lunch today because that layer is a good. Yes.

Let's get to Daredevil. Spoiler warning. For everything Daredevil MCU to date, we're getting ready to talk about Daredevil I'm Born Again. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right.

This is your Midnight Manifest for Daredevil Born Again, third episode directed by Michael West. Right by Jill Blankenship. In another Daredebelis episode of Born Again, we're treated to some courtroom intrigue. On his quest to win the case for White Tiger, Matt gets increasingly desperate when his key witness, the man White Tiger saved,

who was also a secret informant for the NYPD, lies on the stand. The Hail Mary play, Matt reveals to the world that Hector is the White Tiger to prove that he's a hero. McDuffie and Murdoch win the case, but at what cost? Because at the end of our third episode, White Tiger gets immediately clapped. by in self-punishers.

And that's been your short midnight manifest for episode three. Now, before I get to your opinion on the episode, then I think I'm intrigued about the most important review. Kleeca, what does you think of

episode one and two? Hasn't watched it. Fake fan. Got to, wait, self-love, protecting herself. Hasn't watched it. Got to get in the room. Remember, she wouldn't watch the screeners. Okay.

She was against the screenist. no idea why. So last night was the first night that she could watch. And I wanted to watch the third episode of White Lois. So she's going to watch today. Oh, okay. So I don't know. I'm not sure yet.

Well, how are you feeling after the third episode? I liked it. I thought the third episode was fantastic and it was probably closer to the show that they wanted to make before. I think essentially what they did was they kept some parts of their show. Yeah. And they built some infrastructure. Steve!

and they Oh my God Steve like a little like a kid In class Right And they built some infrastructure around it The show works perfectly I was left with intrigue

As to when Daredevil will have A deeper penetration into the show A deeper what? You know what I'm talking about I'm glad to cut that Stop it And I feel like I know When that's going to happen

I can kind of see how that's going to happen Right now, we're a little bit more focused on Matt. Even having Matt have to talk to somebody who is having to defend someone who has a mantle still, who is still a mask. It's almost like he's looking in the mirror. He's using the virtue of White Tiger to defend him. And it's almost like he's trying to find that same virtue in what he was doing as Daredevil. He sees how many people White Tiger helped.

That is essentially the thing that sets him free in this particular case. And that matters to Matt. That then being connected with everything that's going on in City Hall with the criminal organization of the Punisher and Vanessa, I love the episode. I thought it was like fantastic. One of the best episodes, this is an episode that could have stood up in the last run of, of Daredevil. It's one of the best episodes of the show that I've watched. I really enjoyed it. Steve? This definitely feels like an episode of a prior season of Daredevil that's like in the middle of a season. This is something

that we would get while we're fully enmeshed in the story of something deeper, but it's already our third episode. And I really liked the fact that we're going really full force into this world where Matt is kind of alone and figuring out what he can do as Matt Murdoch and not have to resort to being the Punisher really at all. Daredevil me. Or Daredevil. Yeah. Punterer. And confronting that with a vigilante in White Tiger, kind of putting that up to a magnifying glass and being like, hey, there's some validity to vigilantism, but I'm not going to be participating in that while also still protecting the life of somebody who I know to.

be innocent and a decent human being. I think that's a pretty brave place for the show to go. And I think that definitely this is, I feel like we were kind of lied to about the restructuring of what this first season of Daredevil was because this definitely feels like the show that they wanted to make. And they just cherry-picked this one little episode

or instance to make something good out of that original idea. Yeah, well, they weren't a waste of film, right? No. And it would suck to think that they just threw an entire season of TV in the garbage. for the sake of this, but like, I can kind of, I would go out of a limb and say that they probably shot this before the idea of kind of resetting what they were initially. I think they did. They said that mostly the new stuff was first episode, last episode, and everything in the middle was kind of what they had already shot, obviously, but they edited around, shot some new stuff.

But that's what I was reading, which to your point, like, I think this middle chunk is kind of, at least most of the show. before kind of they've been told it. I think the first episode, you know, we have our reservations. It was nice to get back in the world, but it was a little bit, you could see the seams, right? The second episode is much more of what we thought the show would be. And like a very great episode.

I think episode three continues the trend of the show getting better and better. We didn't see a lot of action in this episode, but it was still entertaining. It was still exciting. When he brings out the mask of White Tire, I'm like, this dude is good. why would you do that? Like the whole

vigilanteism. You just erase that for the judge's record. Right? Like you spent a whole bunch of the last episode being like, don't do that. And I'm like, this guy's cooked. How do you bounce back from that? And Matt, being the excellent lawyer, he is, uses his white tiger for vigilantism. I can't use words.

To get him to get White Tiger off and to get him free. And it was just a very, like, very excellent episode to your point. It's just something that like would have fit perfectly. in the last three seasons, something that I think, I didn't know I missed, but I met operating in court, but I really missed,

and I thought this episode was excellent. When White Tiger was talking to Matt, he, first or second episode, I'm pretty sure it's the second one. When White Tiger's talking to Matt, he says to him, he says,

um, Daredevil's gone. And Daredevil's gone, and people still need protection. So, in the writing of the show, they set up the fact that things are happening and people are still looking to somebody to come and save them. Because of that, when you still have the reports from BB that are in there, people are asking, will New York survive? So obviously things have gotten bad.

Matt is aware of the fact that White Tiger, that Daredevil, is gone, that White Tiger is operating as a vigilante, and that people will appreciate him because of how they feel in the absence of Daredevil. Like, it's a very important thematic thing to do because it's A, going to remind Matt that people need that. And B, it is setting up the fact that New York

still needs a hero. And I think the crux of this story is going to be fighting over who New York or who hell's kitchen hero is, whether it's Wilson Fisk in the mayor's office, which is why he wanted all the vigilante's gone because he wants to be the hero. This is his purpose now.

Or it's going to be Matt returning as Darede. So it's going to litigate this. This whole season is going to be a trial, and what's going to be on trial is heroism itself and how it exists. Because Matt even tells White Tiger, there's a lot of other things you can do to help. You don't have to be doing what it is that you're doing.

The question is, how do you go about litigating heroism in a superhero world? If my wife told me I can't be White Tiger, I probably would stop being White Tiger. I mean, that says a lot. To a mystical amulet? I don't need it. That sells a lot.

You have a new nickname. Thank you. Wife guys. You know what? Wife guys. No. I'll be honest with you guys. Enough.

That tells you guys a lot about it. Okay. You see what, you see what, Vegeta? When Boma was like, Hey, Hey, stop fighting.

Stop fighting. Hey, call was made. You never are. Call got, man, I'm sorry. Like, this is just very flucky.

Wife guy fucking shit. Hey, you guys can be wife guys. I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. Once you start that, it's a slippery. It's a slippery slope.

I think, I think going out into the city at night looking for trouble and telling my wife to not, my wife telling me not to do that, I think I could listen. Well, that's fine. There's definitely times you have to listen, but remember, the way I look at it is this. Right.

If I believe in something enough to go out into the city and do it, I would want my wife to be my guy in the chair. Yep. Support me, keep me safe. I think she's an oracle. Yeah. Right. Right.

Keep me safe. Help me turn off the cameras and all of that stuff. Yeah. Don't get in a way. of my motherfucking dream. Y'all about to get me started. Let me play the game. Also, this motherfucker has a mystical amulet.

I'm like, if I'm inheriting some fucking magic that's going to help me improve my city, my people, you know, get us from under the boot heel. All right, we're going to talk about how White Tiger went out. Well, I'm about to say, because... You could have you got to use somebody in the chair. If he didn't listen to us, you know what I'm saying, if he doesn't go outside.

Hey, listen to your wife. He's still being here. Yeah, here's the thing, I would be on his wife's side if she knew that her man really didn't have hands like that. Because White Tiger, like, we just seen the news footage. She can meet people up in bodegas. It's probably her that shot him. But I will tell you this.

White Tiger, just get to it, Chuck. So, all right. White Tiger went out like a sucker. A sucker. That was tough. He started, really, really bad. I was like, here's a thing. By the way, we should say something.

We're talking about the character. The character is. We understand the sensitivity surrounding the death of the gentleman who played He's nothing about his performance. This is more so... The character of White Tiger. He did him bad. Come on, bro.

Here's the thing. And this is kind of my issue with the show. It's kind of like a show don't tell. Like, we don't get any chance to see White Tiger doing any badass White Tiger shit. I see some grainy fucking bodega footage. I see him struggling with two fucking jobber cops getting one of them killed. And then he puts on the mask and immediately gets captured. First of all, this is a sick man.

You just got out of court. and that night. You got a calling. You've never had a calling, Steve. This is the problem. You never had a calling. I didn't have a calling that got me put in jail. So here's the story problem that it's in.

They could have used a more well-known hero when we wouldn't have needed that. Sure. But then they had to kill that hero. Yes. Which you kind of, yeah. I will say though, I mean, and I was saying this as I saw it happened,

I was like, oh my gosh. I thought he was supposed to be in a show for a minute. Yeah. I was like, I was like, kind of locked in. I'm like, okay, we're about to see White Tiger. You're about to get out there, man. Maybe a team up with that. Boom.

It was like a scene from the boys because he's like putting on the mask real slow. He's pretty old dramatic and shit. He looks like he got his fucking amulet from Clairs. He's feeling himself. Yeah, you're going to get active. He runs outside. So I was thinking, because I literally thought this. I was like, God damn, they really fucked White Tiger over.

But then I was thinking, well, let's see, who could you go with in that situation, if you go with somebody that we know he's more. Iron fist, I don't know why did I fist pop in my head to. That would have been funny, but that also would have been more sad because we knew that he could fight. Not would have been sad. Iron fist got to hear him coming in.

Yeah, right. But like, shoot Luke Cage or Jessica Jones. Like, no, it's not. If you went with somebody that we knew a little bit more, you can't kill the character and they needed to kill the character. So he basically just mentions the amulet. We don't know shit about the amulet.

We don't know how that amulet gives him powers. We don't know nothing. He essentially got, Like, he got that shit from Sheen. You know what I'm saying? I would have to like to see the emulet power up and like, just to know him. Or whatever, but we get an understanding of like what kind of hero he is from the testimony of other people.

The motherfucker can't do a backflip. Like, we can't see some shit. Like, he didn't do one thing cool in these first three. No spidey says, no nothing. A tiger would have heard that shit. A tiger would have smelled it. Like, if he'd have been, it would have been almost if he'd have grabbed that bitch And then somebody else would have shot up.

Yeah. That would have been cool. Just do one thing. White Tiger is Puerto Rican, right? Yes, he is. If I'm Puerto Rican, I'm mad because I see everything that Black Panther get to do. You know what I'm saying? White Tiger, I think he deserved a little bit more.

It is tough because, yeah, we don't get to see a lot of Latino superheroes out there in shows and stuff like this. He can get his own medal? And then he's doing like that. Can be honest with you guys? That's nasty. Shout out to all my Latino brothers and sisters, man. I already know this. But the name will put something on our asses.

Y'all, come on. Y'all can't get mad. I know that that was Mexico. And sometimes our Mexican brothers and sisters and our Puerto Rican brothers and sisters is always, when you watch boxing, when it's a, boxing is so racist. It's the most racist, dude.

Is that the real CIA? When you watch a boxing, it's always been like, oh, this guy's from Mexico and this guy's from Puerto Rico. You know, this is going to be a bull. Barn burner. Right. I really play it up.

Max Hillibing going crazy. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I get it. But we, that whole fucking movie, we was getting punished. Yeah.

Punished. So, you know, not to put all the Latinos in one tent that you just did. You already did. You already did. You just put a scoreboard on it. Between Blue Beetle and White Tiger,

I just need better representation from our best. Blue Beetle was good. People like Blue Beetle. All right. They've making him animated now. So they, like, you know what I'm saying? So that's what I heard. They're not giving him a Blue Beetle too?

Who's the superhero of the Puerto Rican people? Miles. Like, okay. Yeah, it's a good one. See? Miles up. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Is he not a Dominican?

Is he not Dominican? He's Puerto Rican. Oh, you looked it up here. He's not Puerto Rico. Oh, so that they got. Yeah, they got. Yeah, they got miles. They're, they're saying.

Whoa. But I feel like, I feel like two people claim. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? He's a man. He's a man. He's a shirt. shared.

America Chavez. Okay. For another one. I'll tell you something about that. Let's talk about this real quick. All right. Two people claiming them. Zoe Saldana.

Ooh. People here. Let's get it too much. We'll get back to there. We'll get back to there. All right. We'll get back to there. This is hilarious.

This is hilarious. So people expect that Zoe Saldana to win the Oscar and go up there and be like, yo, this for all my niggas. Shout out to my niggas. Shout out to the Bronx. Jesus Christ. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Harlem.

Dip said, Joy Sal Dada went up there and said, yo, my parents are immigrants and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And people lost it. They are kicking Zoe Saladana's ass.

Yeah, but to be fair, shout out of Zoe Salada. Like, no issues. But she was up on that podium after when they was asking questions. And she's like, yeah, I'm sorry to all my Mexicans.

She felt bad. about this, but I got asking. And I was like, okay. Okay. That's as, as fast as it gets here on the midnight. I thought it was hysterical. I thought it was hysterical. I thought it was hysterical.

I thought that was hysterical. I thought the black people was putting pictures up of her and drumline. Yeah. After she was, I thought it was hysterical. I'm like, God, damn. It was hot. It was hot. Now, back to the show.

White Tiger The Puerto Rican people have a lot of representation with Miles Morales. White Tiger himself wasn't underdeveloped character. But that's kind of what I think we're going to get from these characters that Matt represents unless they would have longer show arcs. I think this is there to sort of deepen

because it's pretty clear that Kingpin ordered his death, right? No. No. So it's the Punisher. It's a punisher folks, but it seemed like Kingpin intimated, maybe I read this wrong, Kingpin intimated that he did not like. He didn't like the verdict that came from that. Right. He goes to be feeling like, so.

I assumed that it was teasing that even though Kingpin wants to distance himself from the criminal aspects, he now has people, cops or whatever, potentially on the payroll who might be punisher. that it dealt like. I don't think that's quite that. I think that was probably just a like a contingent of renegade cops because we've seen the Punisher logo on a couple of police officers now and given the verdict was, you know, a pretty big spit in the

face to the NYPD. That was probably just a cop getting revenge. It's a gang. By the way, they have, by the way, they have gangs, organized gangs inside the L.A. Sheriff's Department of that. Right. And it's a, you know, it's a very It's a large thing for the show to tackle.

I'm interested to see how it lands it because When the Punisher says that he hates cops, it's going to be pretty great. Yeah, it could go, it could go one or two ways. I'm interested to see if they can land this plane of taking this. The Spring Castle Hakeups? Yeah. Does he? Well, I don't know,

interestingly like, whether it is, in his war. Are we talking about the Netflix version or the character? Yeah. But does the character in general? I don't know. I'll be honest with you guys, I might have read five Punisher. I think the character of Frank Castle, why would he hate the police?

I don't know if he will hate the police, but I do think he'll hate his image being perverted by the cops. That's-guel-people. Yeah, but there was like a long-standing thing when, like, people like the proud boys and a couple of other people have, like, co-opted the logo of the Punisher to, like,

certain political and ideological ends. And then the creator of that character is, like, this is not what this character stands for, and that needs to be reclaimed for a difference. Like, that is not what this character represents. But I would, I get that. But I would doubt that Frank Castle himself would have a problem with law enforcement. You know, I mean, maybe he would be that...

I mean, given the fact that the cops didn't find his wife and son's killer. Definitely. And the fact that he chose to be a vigilante himself. Well, he chose to be a vigilante because he doesn't think the cops go far enough. Far enough. But I don't know if he would... He was, he looked up to the biggest cop. Captain America. Remember when he let Captain America basically beat the shit out of him?

Well, because he's, I mean, it is his lawyer. He's a Captain America fan. The reason he joined the... the army in the first place. Because who is? Because he punishes crooked cops. He doesn't hate the police. I won't shoot you.

This is some of my comic pan. I can't know which one. I won't shoot you. You're an honest cop, but I'm going to shoot him. He doesn't hate the police. But I don't think he's just like, he hates villains.

Yeah, he hates villains. Yeah. You ought to think that this episode was a little goofy. In what way? I was just like, when Matt pulled out the mask, I was like, all right, this kangaroo. All right, brother. That's an immediate mis-trial, by the way.

I was like, whoa. I didn't expect them to do that. You, okay, brother, I want you to do right now, leave the set, go to the L.A. court office and go watch a court case and tell me if they're any, they're interesting. They're not. They're boring. It's a bunch of legal needs.

No, that's not what I'm litigating. That's not, bees. I think there's a difference between writing an interest in court case and then writing a court case that is just... to me almost like law and order karaoke or like

or just kind of just like I think Daredevil I think Daredevil made a choice where they're just like he's doing it he's doing it

I'm doing it really yeah yeah yeah you're doing the superhero is literally on trial you have to keep doing it

we need it he needed it it was fucking weird I just there's a level to the third episode where I'm like

they made a gambit with this show that Daredevil outside of the suit and all of these new characters like Cherry and McDuffie are going to be so interesting that you're not going to miss Daredevil in the suit. You're not going to miss Foggy and Carried. And by the third episode, I was just like, all right, Cherry, that whole thing where he's trying to drive to the, to get the guy to witness, it just felt like Cherry was a plot device. It feels like McDuffie is less interesting than Karen and Foggy. It seems like when Matt pulls out the mask, it wasn't the fact that he pulled out the mask that. I was upset about. It was more so I'm like, I'm still unclear about how good of a lawyer Matt is. I think what the other show did on Netflix really well

is like it felt like with Fogging Karen, this was an actual team. And with this show, I'm like, I'm still kind of like, all the decisions Matt makes, I'm like, it seems like a kind of shitty lawyer. Oh, no, I don't think that. Well, look, you could, I'm not saying that that's not. I'm saying I'd read it differently.

Number one, I thought to me, one of the best scenes of the episode was when they got the CI up there. And, oh, I hated that. I loved it. He sold on him crazy. I hate that he sold. But when he looked around

and he started feeling the presence of the police. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, I'm like, he's not going to do it. He's not going to do it. Them, and knowing that the police then, Matt hears the police

saying we have to kill the guy. And then knowing that they have to get him there safe. And they get him they're safe and it still doesn't work. I thought that raised the states for the rest of the trial because I really was thinking how are they going to get out of this? And the way that they got out of it was

the truth. I mean, I thought that was one of the stronger parts of the episode. No, here's the thing. I, like, I liked certain parts of the trial. I think when I'm, like, I think what this show was pitched as, because I remember reading about it is like, oh, we're doing a case of the week, obviously. Like, there's, and with this,

it felt like the way it was edited across the two episodes. I'm like, oh, this is no longer a case of the week, you're making this essentially like, all right, white tiger is going to, to your point, show Matt something about what being a vigilante means, what happens when you don't put down the cowl, when it's a part of you, all of that. Like, I get all of that stuff and what it means for the larger arc of the show, but I think what they fail to do is, like, most law and order as shows, the reason it's a case of the week is because the characters can kind of be flimsy.

You're getting a new person each and every week. for this white tiger i had to believe in white tiger more i had to like care for him more and most of the shit that resulted in me caring was just like exposition dumps of people being like white tiger saved me he's a hero and i'm like they had to pivot to something because they like the witness was thrown out so they got to do a character assessment and that's no but i get that i think that would have been better if i would have gotten a little bit more time just to know who white tiger was versus is it kind of being like, all right, yada, yada, yada, he's free, now we're killing him. At the end of the episode, more so than just the jokes of me being like, oh, they killed him

like that was more so I'm just like, I don't emotionally necessarily feel what I think I should feel and I think Matt should feel. I don't, well, I don't know that you're supposed to feel anything about White Tiger's death. I think, I think white, first of all, let's discuss this in a deeper way. And I don't know. I think you're supposed to feel like shocked that it happened. Yeah, which it was a shocking death. I don't know if you're supposed to feel sad that White Tiger died

because you didn't spend very much time with White Tiger. You know what I mean? It's like, what was the movie where Chris Brown dies at the beginning? Ooh, step up? No. Stomp the yard. Stomp the yard. Okay, so when he dies at the beginning, you know that he dies.

You know that it's sad. The investment that you make into his death comes after he's already dead because that's an inciting incident. It's not necessarily something that's just, it's sad when you see a character die on screen. They want you to feel it a little bit, but that's more of an inciting incident into what, like, actually happens in the story. I think here, the death of White Tiger means more than the life of White Tiger. Because I don't think that they had enough, you normally in a show like this, this is an hour. You just don't have enough real estate to, unless you're going to take 10 episodes to do it to kind of make us believe that White Tiger,

make us care about White Tiger He's just not enough story To your point No, I get that Yeah I'm not expecting his death To be like fucking spidey In Infinity War

Like yeah I'm not like But I do think that there was a level of Wait why the fuck did I spend so much time On this bullshit If you like if it like essentially is a plot point Yeah To get to the Punisher shit

Where it's like I Like I But I think it's a compounding thing Where it's like when I feel like McDuffie Cherry White Tiger Basically

The entire new cast feels like plot points just to get Matt to a certain point. That's where I feel like, that's where I feel a little bit like, oh. You feel like they did more with Karen and Foggy? Or even his, like, even the characters in the past, even Ben Yurek, I felt like they had more agency. They were like actual characters who had arcs of their own beliefs and ideas of their own.

And I think a lot of the stuff that I bounce off of with the Disney Plus stuff is I'm like, they don't necessarily write it like normal TV. where it's like, we need to make you care about the life in the world of these characters. It's like, do you give a fuck about McDuffie yet or Cherry or White Tiger? You're not wrong, but at the same time, I just don't think we make TV that way anymore

because, I mean, there were episodes of, I mean, episodes of Daredevil where you would just spend time with these guys doing whatever it was. It'd be plot stuff, but like, Ben York would be at the New York Bulletin or whatever and be talking to somebody or whatever. That happened today.

Like, 13 episodes, right? of like 13 hours of TV to get to know these people. We get what, nine? This? You got to like cut some of that stuff out. Yeah, but here's the thing. If you're going to pour over a show

that was beloved and I think was more in line with more traditional TV fare, I think, because I've seen a lot of people bounce off the pilot. I think they're bouncing off of it because they're trying to do the Disney Plus streaming version of the show instead of the like more grounded

TV version where we can, I'm like, we can fall in love with all of these characters. Let's do this. Let's also just remember this. We're comparing, like, we watched the entire life of Ben Earth until he died.

All right? That's a fair point, but we're three episodes into this. So we don't know what's going to happen with the characters. We're not sure whether or not it'll serve them.

There are more characters in this one. We don't know what kind of arcs they'll get. Maybe it's started. I mean, they had to, we have to be re-initiated

into our love and respect for the sexy blind lawyer superhero. But let's give the show a little time. I mean, they got, what, like six episodes. Let's see if they're able to make us care of this video. No, I'm not saying that the third episode is just like,

oh, there's no way they can come back. It was more so I was expecting after episode two ended and that motherfucker began the cops. And I thought he killed the cops. I was like, oh, shit. they're going there. And then it was a little bit like, in terms of just like my excitement,

I think was out of fever pitch because I'm like, oh, Matt's about to get busy. He got the demon inside of him. And in this one, I'm just like... That cop was in the bathroom talking crazy, too. Yeah, that was nuts. I was like, brother, you just got, yo, you just got beat the hell up.

And you were talking to them, man, like, yeah, man, we can run it back. Like, if I told the judge, like, my man. You're not telling the judge. You don't want those hands, man. It's not really the beats you want. Like, leave that alone. I love when he said, they say something in boxing.

The best thing for a black eye is fast hands. He was talking crazy. Yeah. You were talking crazy to understand. It's like, I whooped your ass, idiot. Stupid. Also, do you guys feel any type of way that, like, White Tiger, the thing that I keep going back to is I'm like, we see Daredevil, right? Daredevil got hands.

The only thing that that motherfucker can do is hear really good is smell really good. essentially, and he got some sonar shit. He'd beaten those cops, like, they nothing. White Tiger was struggling. Well, he didn't have his amulet, so he's having the power. But here's a thing, because we know about this in comics. Just because you got super strength and shit, you still need to have, like, Captain America ain't Shang Chi or Iron Fist,

but he knows some martial arts. He could get some shit. You know, like, White Tiger never went down to the Y, never, like, learned some Tai Chi, never. I don't think he had the chance. I think that's all. Well, first of all, he won the fight. He did.

He was struggling. Now, maybe if Stick would have came and raised him with tough loves if she was eight years old, that devil was in that goddamn laugh. Yeah. All right with Stick. Todd Marevich. It's a pre-team. Tomorinovich.

Yeah. So getting fucked up. But here's the thing, if I'm a superhero, even if I have super strength, I'm signing up for some mixed martial arts. Just because, like, we know it's not enough. Well, they usually do, right? Iron Man started doing it. Iron Man started doing it. All right man started.

It was like, All right man, get his motherfucking ass cake. Can you imagine if Tony Stark trying to do like, he could fight

but I remember Captain America put on a suit. Put on a suit and we'll see. The hands. That was tight. Such bad writing by

some guy. Yeah. Okay. Josh Whedon wrote it. Fuck it. He wrote it and then he did some fucked up shit later.

But he wrote the stuff before. I don't think we need to litigate it. It was all fucked up shit. But he wrote a good movie. So. I have a question.

a couple of them. So we get that scene at the book signing when, I think is that episode, is that episode three or episode two? It's two. That's two. Okay, my fault. My brain doesn't work. But I still wanted to ask because I, the guy, so when I saw that, the guy, because

they have the, what's it called? I think I'm glitching out. I think it glitching out. The scene. It's at the book signing where the guy. This is a good show. Yeah, I have mixing episodes. Let me help you.

Is it the guy that was asking if she's taking on new clients? Yes. And then Fiske's guy. That's Mews. Because I see that dude in Wednesday, and he already gave me bad vibes and a show. I was like, this guy, now he's a weirdo. Who is this dude?

He's a new guy. Like Wesley. Like Wesley. He's the new Wesley. He's the new guy. So you have the weird dude then, and then you have the Wesley now. And he, I don't know if he set it up, but he, like, so the episode begins with carjacking, right?

They shoot the dudes at the Red Port Authority. And then he's, like, giving out the bread to the dudes. He's making restitution because of the two guys that got killed. They got killed. Yeah. Right. I don't, I'm interesting to see how that plays in the rest of the series because Vanessa and Fisk are, like, obviously beefing.

She wants to continue to control the underworld. But he can't. He doesn't want to do it because he wants to go straight. He wants to go straight. Yeah. I'm going to see how that plays because, like, if I'm being honest, I don't care about them fighting. But it seems to be something like we talked about, we talked about this last week about how Fisk and Daredevil, they both want, like, they don't want to be, he doesn't want to be Daredevil anymore. He doesn't want to keep him anymore.

They both have to go straight. But they're both getting pulled back in. They're both getting pulled back in. What does it take for fists get pulled back in? Is it watching Hector Olaah get domed in the head? It'll be the, I think he did that. But it's fine. I think, frankly, it's probably going to be the Vanessa relationship.

It'll be the lack of control. I'm going to be honest, I don't give a fuck about all this marriage counseling shit. I'm just like, like, I'm compelled by it. I think of all the stuff that's happening in the show, it's probably the thing. I'm least concerned about. You know, it's interesting. What's interesting is that of all the things that are carrying over from the last show, that's the one thing that the last show, the relationship between Fisk and Vanessa,

if you cared about the last show or if the last show mattered, that's the one thing that's carried over. Because they literally spent three seasons talking about his, obsession with her. She was the only one that can make him do right. She was the only one that she essentially changed his life in that she humanized him in a way. And he was so connected to what she wanted and what was going to happen to her that that's the thing from the last show. Like, if you care about the last show, watching their relationship in turmoil.

where she's like crossing him, they're at odds, he's choosing something over her. You would think that people would care about that, that love the last show so much. And it's very indicative of the idea that like, when she steps out on him,

he nearly immediately forgives her, at least, and does not either lash out or feel betrayed in any sort of way. I mean, he killed a man, so he... He had a dialogue. He said. He had a dialogue, said.

They talked. We called him what, Adam last week. I think his name's Adam. Who cares? Yeah, the show

doesn't care. So, you know, they'll get to it. They'll get to it. But I think, to your point, though, I think the magic we're seeing them together. Seeing them at odds

is kind of like, I don't say weird because I do understand what the show's trying to do. She is kind of like, she kind of likes the grimy life. She likes being in his shoes. Likes controlling the five families.

Like, it's a level of respect power that she has over these people that I think. And to not be lauded over and like objectified the way that Wilson does, which maybe she likes to a degree. I think she likes the power. I think she likes evil, right? And he's like, yo, I got to be cleaned.

If anything comes back, it's over. We're done. I want to be the hero of hell's kitchen. I mean, at the end of the first episode, they bathe him in white light. They bat and red light. It's very much a split dichotomy of who these two people want to be or who they feel like they are.

And I just, of all the, stuff like you don't like the court stuff. I like the court stuff. Maybe that's just somebody who watched Hodge Gayer Murder for like six years. But that's the kind of stuff I'm into and watching them go back and forth about, oh, no, the underworld. I'm like, all right, guys. It's not boring, but it's just the least interesting. What I'm saying is of all the things, and look, to Charles's point, all the Vanessa stuff might have been more interesting if we just saw Vanessa control the underworld a little bit more. It may have spent a little bit more time on it and maybe got to this later on in the season. I might be wrong. Do you think

that they cut a lot of stuff where it's like, in terms of just like, they'll like reference something and I'm just like, wait, why didn't we see that? See that. Like, that's where I'm a little bit like, what? I think it's fine. They're banking on the fact that you care about their relationship from the prior show. Just the same way that they're banking

on the fact that you cared about Foggy's death from the prior show. The same way that they're banking on the fact that you care about Karen leaving from the prior show, they're banking that you remembered that and that's carried over and that That's going to work because you understand Wilson's relationship with Vanessa.

And that might be an overestimation on that point. I think that type of shorthand writing for a series that came, what, the last series ended like seven years ago. Yeah. Well, 2018, 2018, 2018. Well, the third season. 2018 or 2019? 2019. But still, that's a size.

Six years. Yeah. So there is a level of me being like, I don't know if y'all can keep using shorthand. and just trust me to be carried along because sometimes I'm just like a little bit disoriented where I'm like, oh man, y'all need a couple more beats for me to even. Because like I think that when I see Bisk and Vanessa together,

I think those actors are good enough where it's like I understand the emotions. It's not bad acting. Like I get that. It's more so when you sit them down in marriage counseling. I'm just like, what about the scene with them at breakfast? How does that same work for me?

I like that one. Right. That seemed a little bit more. That seemed a little less cheap. easy a little bit more like, okay, this is the couple that I remember. It's more so, like, I don't think Matt's girlfriend is working.

I don't think the counselor character is, like, she's not bad as an actress or anything. It's just kind of like, my fucking, bring back election. Like, I don't, I don't know. I don't think Electra worked at all. No, no, no. I think the only reason why,

I think the only reason why the electric character worked in that first show is because we knew she was electric. Well, there was a couple. of moments when they were like... It was genuine chemistry. I'm not saying I liked when Electra was doing her thing. Yeah, like, it was like a second half of season two

is not it. Well, I'm not saying that I liked Electra. I'm saying if I had to choose between Electra and the merits counselor, I'm picking Electra every single time. Well, yeah, there's like decades of comics that back it up. I get it.

So, look, in the three episodes that we are, where are we? What are we most intrigued about going forward? This was like the first. They're like the first part, right? Like, first third. Yeah, the first third. So where are we?

What are we interested in? Obviously, we're interested in Matt where he goes, dare to. The Punisher stuff, I think, is the most interesting stuff to me. Because we've seen the tattoos in the first two episodes. Then we see the guy get blamered, rest in peace to White Tiger. Tough. Where does that go? We know that the Punisher's in this series.

So does Matt like, hey, big dog, they kind of using your name out during the streets crazy? What's the collision course out here? I don't think I can't imagine that Matt thinks that he's behind, bunchers behind this. But obviously they talk, obviously they have a conversation. Where does the punisher fin all this? I think it's the biggest question for me. Yeah. I just thought of something.

White Tiger didn't have no vibrating helmet, right? Clearly not. Clearly not. This is how you know is beef. Oh, my God. But he got the Ocona's number though? It's not about the Wakanda. O'Koye, where you at, man?

They gave white wolf. They gave white wolf vibranium. They can't get white tigers. You don't know white tigers. But this is not about, it's not what I'm talking about. You know who could have gave him in a vibranium? Nameda. They didn't give it to him because he was Puerto Rican.

Why? I'm telling you, that they more than them could have gave it to him. Because look, the Wakandas will give. Why would Namor worry? They're giving that away. The Wakanas will give, the Wakans will give,

the Wakans are Mexican and white tigers is Puerto Rican. That's what I'm saying. But that's not, what I'm saying is, is normally, if there was no beef between the two groups, that's not in it. That's not in it. I'm not making this up, by the way. If there was no beef between the two groups,

then they would have been like, oh, okay, he's doing this thing for the Latino people. You are trying to do the little act. I'm not going to get a little. I stop. You're going to say for Latino people. Let's hit it, hook him up with a vibranium suit. No.

They could have, but he didn't have no vibranium suit. Don't right to this. It's not like a jersey ticket. There's like eight things wrong. But the main thing is it's not even the, the, the Puerto Rican versus Mexican that's nuts. It's land versus C. They don't mess with land people. Yeah.

Well, I will say the Wakandians did be like, hey, yo, we know you're, you know, a fucking CIA op falcon, but we're going to give you some vibranium just because you're reping on. It's an entire underwater kingdom. You think I'm just going to know about some guy in New York that's just like... I feel like the O'Connan's, you know, Sam and Bucky, they stood, they put tent toes down for the invasion when, you know, the order came at the end of Infinity War. They kind of got that thing going.

White Wolf had been there for a minute, you know, because he'd helped out with, uh, with Tachala. So it was, you know, it was careful. You know what I'm saying? It's a little, it's different.

It's different. I'm not saying that you make that up. I'm just saying like, it's kind of crazy that you're talking about it. I'm just saying they could have helped him. I feel bad for him. He was doing calisynics getting ready. He was jumping around.

But I can't think of another superhero. They did him so bad. They did him so bad. I can't think of another superhero that during their moment just got domed out like that. And I'm also going to be honest. White Tiger, you just can't be a superhero

just walking around the block. Like get a car. You know what I'm saying? The White Tiger Mobile. Nickum's jogging at night. I'm like... Say Al Camino, bro. Stop.

What's wrong with you? What is wrong with you? We got to be real. This also pissed me off during the course scene. Because I'm just like, all right, don't do the cliche like fucking, you know, immigrants. He's like, where were you? Oh, I was going to get some flowers.

because, you know, I needed a studio apartment to get us out living with my sister. And then his wife's eyes are like, oh, my God, I didn't realize this. I'm like, sis, sis. I love the courtroom stuff. I love seeing a white tiger, like, triumph over to New York police. That's why you don't like it because you wanted to see the polies win.

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and get after it. All right, we're back. What's going on with Fisk? Fisk. Fisk descent. We didn't get to see his assent. They just did that. We didn't get to see it.

Who is Wilson Fisk right now? I'm confused. In terms of his character, in terms of why he wants to do what he wants to do, like, I think I understand it, like intellectually because I've read comics. This is a comic book storyline. I still, like, because even when

he's like, bring BB the reporter. Oh, yeah, BB, Eric. Yeah, yeah. Like, I got that just in terms of like, oh, the Trump parallels like going through a, what you'll call it, like a smaller media outfit to just get your message out there. Like, I get all of the shit. I'm still, like, emotionally a little bit left wanting with Fisk. Can you guys explain to me what the mayor plot

Like, why does he want to be mayor? So, I personally believe this. Okay, this is the way I think about Wilson Fiske as a character, particularly as he exists in this universe. There is so much shame involved in Fis's character. Yes. Even when he sits down at the desk and he says, you know, my father, how old are you think this desk is? Mm-hmm. And you're talking.

He's like, my father loved LaGuardia. Luguardia whose name I first heard in Ghostbusters 2. Oh, wow. It's an airport. Yeah, no, he says, the mayor and Ghostbusters 2 said, last night,

I had a conversation with a mayor, Fiorrello, where I guess that's the same, LaGuardia, and he's like, yeah, the guy's been dead for X amount of years. The ghost had come back and talked to the new mayor, it was giving the new mayor advice.

I was like, oh, I did the airport. I'm like, I knew that from Ghostbusters 2. What lore? Whatever. But anyhow, when he sits down and he talks about it. He's essentially talking about the fact that, remember, his father was trying to be a politician. He didn't respect many men. He respects the memory of this mayor and who he was.

And his son is sitting at this desk. So much of what we've been told about Kingpin as he exists in this story has to do with abuse and shame. Abuse that he got from his father. and the shame of who he actually is and trying to accumulate enough to achieve himself out of that shame, which is actually even said to him, a little boy who was abused who's trying to make good.

He couldn't do it as kingpin no matter how much he got, no matter how much he attained, because there was still a stink on it. And so what he wants to do is put himself in a light where people look at him in a way that his father never could,

which is that something good. So can I ask, as a story, engine, though, would it have made, would it have been a little bit easier if we got the ascent? Because like a bunch of the stuff that they're telling us, we just have to take at face value where it's like, I think a big thing that's happening in the season is, oh, vigilantes are on the rise. But we don't really get to see vigilantes on the rise. We really don't get to see what it's done for the city. We just kind of have to guess. And I'm like,

I do think that that's an interesting storyline of Kingpin being like, obviously he would hate vigilantes, he gets elected on that platform. But instead of that really happening, he just gets elected. And then it's like, fuck these vigilantes. Yeah, when, I hate to go back to episode one, but it sounded like when Matt was surprised that he just out of nowhere won, seemingly one night in New York, I'm like, okay, well, you didn't vote clearly. But it's the, it's the fact that I think that all of that is just geared towards beating

all of vigilantes because of like the internalized grudge that he then has because a daredevil and all these other vigilantes have beaten him for so long but I kind of want to know the true motivating factor as to why he wants to do this all so very cleanly and so very right

and to fight against his other nature we know why Matt does it because he crossed a line in the first episode of wanting to kill somebody that killed his best friend like what's the line that Kingpin cross like what's the line for Kingpin is and is he still clearly indulging in those line for Kingpin in what sense

Like I think Steve brought up a really good point. I'm totally clear on why Matt, even if I didn't like how it was done, Matt kind of has to hang up the cow and he has the horn, which is like I almost killed. Yeah, I killed Bullseye or I almost killed Bullseye. I let my anger win over Daredevles the problem. Like I get that for Kingpin. I'm still a little kind of confused about like what's the inciting incident or what's the thing driving him? Because we know that he isn't really going straight, but, like, I'm still not sure he believes he's going straight. Like, you know what I mean?

I think he does. I think he does believe. I think he does believe he's going straight. But ultimately, and I think we talked about this before, like, it's not going to last. It can't last. Right. It won't last for him. It won't last for Matt.

I think you do make a good point. What is, what was the inciting incident that made him decide, like, I'm going to, you know, run for me and go straight the whole 900 yards. But I think not the more interesting question, but in another. the interesting one is what makes him at the end of the day be like, all this this thing to get all this Mayer's stuff. I'm Kingpin again, but I can't, I can't do this.

I think that's an interesting question. I mean to see that. I think they want us to believe that it was him getting shot in the face. I think they want us to believe that it was him trying to... Shout on Echo, man. Wait, real me.

Echo, brother. There is that lingering shot, either in the first two episodes where they keep lingering on the scar. They're like, oh, do you want to cover up the scar? did it up. But that to me... He gets shot in the face.

He almost dies. I think they want us to believe that. Honestly, I'm not so sure that that works. But I will say that him... Him wanting to achieve that type of power is in line with the Wilson Fis that we have known. He has always tried until he was outed as Kingpin

to maintain a shadowy image in the underworld and a clean image in front of the world. To where there were some people who... believed in Wilson Fisk, who thought that Wilson Fisk was a philanthropist and an entrepreneur and that he was being taken down unfairly. So he's always tried to cultivate this image of himself.

He doesn't seem to be, to you guys' point, to all of the points, he doesn't seem to be doing the thing that Luther did as president, which is using the office as a front to further a criminal enterprise. When Lex Luthor became president. Right. Yes. He doesn't seem to be doing that. Or even when Norman Osborne

Norman Osborne was running the thunderbolts and he was like high up and like It was a front for something else. It wasn't shield. What was it at that point? It was shield. No, he took over shield but he renamed it, didn't he? He took over shield and read it

because he had his own Avengers. Yeah. Yeah, he had the Dark Avengers. But it was shield. Like maybe he changed it. I think he renamed it to something. Hammer. Hammer, hammer.

Because sword is in the sky, X-Men. Shield is what we know. Hammer was. But like I, because I think the things that continue to work from the show that I've said in our previous episode are the Daredevil Kingpin relationship. And part of me is like, how long can this show kind of keep me interested when both of them, neither of them are really the characters are not fully themselves yet. They're trying to go straight. And they're also really not in concert with each other.

And that's the thing that I kind of, because there was also a part of me was like, all right, motherfuckers. Forget these punisher folk. Bring back Bullseye. Like, look. Look, did you like Bullseye from the last series? No, but I felt like he was more... So you didn't like him, but you wanted him to come back? If I'm going to be honest.

You just want to go that bat for Bullseye? You want to be Bullseye to do? Can I be so honest? Okay, give it to you. Yeah. False. You don't really know how much a girl means to you. Oh, niggas. You're out of your life. Man. And then you got the new one and you like.

She's not doing all the things that the other one did. Right? You got, here's the thing. I took, I took the last Netflix Daredevil for granted. I did. Right. What? I did.

Bullseye, perhaps I judged you too harshly. I judged a lot. He's motherfuck up and sarsely. Is he doing it? He's doing it. He's doing it. He's doing it. He's doing it.

Absolutely doing it. Um, okay. We're three episodes in. I'm enjoying myself. I had a full time. good time. Bless and peace, White Tiger, man.

God, the Punisher vest, clap you like that. You get no help. This is the third time we brought it up in every single time. Trader Joe's Punisher

killing you was crazy. It's nasty word. Not even a real punisher? Yeah. Not even a real punisher. That's true. And I will say, if that shit had happened

to a black era, we wouldn't take to the... No. No. Hell of no. If they would have done that to, like, beige plant panther or blacker panther?

Would you be asking why he didn't have vibranium too? Oh, yeah. They promise us they weren't going to do us like that. Shout to the Wakandans. But we could have used... Imagine the Wakandans like watching TV and watching niggas getting like hit with hoses

and stuff like that. Bro, slavery. Daws, all that stuff and just eating the Joloff rice and they're like watching us. The thing I want to know is like... That's why, I mean, killmonger was mean. But think about the shit that the Wakadians...

He's just... The Wakandans didn't get like... That's why I stood on like the ending of Black Panther. When you killed this motherfucker, you go back to his hometown, you're like, yeah, we're going to build a community center. Here's the thing, I know fucking President Kingpin with them DIA shit. He's just like, get that shit out.

Get all these Wakandan rec centers up out of here. That's the first thing that Trump would do. The Wakanda rec center for black advancement, that's gone. If honestly, if they would have let me leave this initiative, I'm arming all my black youth with vibranium blickies. You know what I'm saying? I'm teaching them how to like guard our own streets. You know what I'm saying for the revolution?

I'm really like, I'm putting the Black Panther, Black and Backman. You back into it, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's how we get government for them right there. Army, black people. That's how we do it. That's exactly how it happened.

Why do you think California has the... Because the niggas showed up to the state cap? It was like, hey, okay. No. Ray was like, done. Done. No more guns. It was fun.

It was fun. You're patrolling your own neighborlates. That is my question. Why couldn't the little Wakandan homies have like Black Panther suits? Like why couldn't they manufacture some like? Well, you can't give everybody the heart shape, right? Yeah. No, no, no, no.

But the suit still has vibranium. So you think everybody should have had a suit. I feel like they, they render that a responsibility as well. Like we give you a vibranium. You need to, you know how to use it. It's a mantle. I don't know. I saw they needed the white man's help during it.

Infinity War, that wouldn't have happened if they would have... Interesting. It's funny about this. This reminds me of this video I saw. I can't remember which rapper it was. Like, it's so funny. So I saw this rapper. I can't remember which rapper it was.

I might be able to find a video. He bought chains for all of his homies. That's great. That's nice. It's great. When are you going to mind and change for all of us? Never. You don't want to see me in a chain?

But listen. But listen, here's the thing, though. Stephen in a chain? Come on. Here's the thing, though. He bought chains for all of his homies. I watched the video. And it was interesting.

Because let's say that I bought chains for all y'all. Okay. I would, if I was to buy chains for all y'all, I would buy the exact same chain that I wear. I might not put Harry Tubman on it for Steve because that's just too much. It would be the same chain, the same quality that I wear for everyone. Equal chains for all. Or else I wouldn't buy a chain. This dude had this big-ass chain with the pendant on it.

And he bought all of his homies, like smaller, tiny little versions of that chain. Of that same chain? Like, just smaller. It's the same. He had a chain with a big ass link. Right. And a thing and a big ass piece. And he bought all of his homie, his homies.

Wow, you're not a little smaller like that. Smaller. I wouldn't have accepted that chain. If you're going to buy me the chain, because all that chain does in the club is make me look like a little nigga. Because, like, now, if I'm in there and I'm not with you, then that's true. But how am I going to get in the club without you? So you're saying that the Wakandans did it.

want to seem like the little niggins. They wasn't trying to little, because if you got a little, a bunch of little Panthers running around now. And then the Black Panther coming in, I wouldn't wet a Little Panther suit. I'm not a little Panther suit. I, this is how I know to lie. If I had a suit to have vibranium, I could do backflips. My father, I can't get shot. I'm like, I'll take the Little Panther shit.

It just like. In Wakanda maybe. I mean, no, excuse me. In New York. In New York, maybe. They don't know. They're only going to know when Black Panther roll. And then you're the Little Panther.

Look, I would rather be... What's the quote? I tell you straight up, right now. You guys, I would rather be my own nigger than a little nigger. I'm not... That's a ball. I actually, 300 looked like a phantom into a phantom show. What I don't know what I'm saying?

I would rather be... I agree, I agree. But there is a little bit of like, damn, if Bruce Wayne comes to the orphanage, and he's like, all right, one of y'all motherfuckers got to be robbing. In my heart, I don't want to be a little niggum, but I'm like, I could be an orphan or I could be the boy wonder.

It's one thing to be a sidekick, I feel like. That's different. Yeah, that's a sidekick versus just having the lesser stuff. I might be Robin, but I'm not going to be Little Batman. You know what I'm saying? But you're always going to be, Nightwing, basically, Little Batman. He moved out and he got his own city to protect. And he's still got to go back to Bruce for the batterers.

I don't have no. So you're saying he's a Nepo baby. Yeah, all right. So here's the thing. you would be Iron Man but you're not trying to be Iron Lad or Iron Heart. I'm not being no iron little niggas. Okay?

I'm just, I'm not, I'm not being no, if you, if there's some understanding that you are going to retire and then I will be that I, rest of peace of my dad, quick story. Recipe of my dad. So years ago, my Uncle Jimmy came to the house is maybe like 87, 88. And things were bad for us.

Right. And so we weren't getting that. My dad ran a subcontracting company. And he was pouring concrete and all that stuff. And he had to take a job at the plant for a little while. Right. So he had to take a job at the plant for a little while. And he was such a hard work and rest and peace of dad that the guy at the plant was like, this was a tip job.

The guy at the plant was like, my uncle Jimmy, he told my uncle Jimmy. He said, Jimmy, tell this guy to come work, tell your cousin. to come work at the plant. He's a good worker, work at the plant, join the union, do the whole thing. It would be fantastic. My Uncle Jimmy came to the house, trying to ask my dad to, like, work at the plant.

And they got the argument because my father didn't want to work at the plant. And it was like a real, real tense thing in the house. And so, you know, I asked my daddy, my daddy's sitting there. I'm like, why are you mad at Uncle Jimmy? He's like, I ain't mad at that little dinner. And he's like, well, you don't want to work with Uncle Jimmy?

He was like, son, let me tell you something. I work at the plant. I see guys there, they work. They come in the plant. Man, yell at him. Why are you been? What you doing? Work harder.

He's like, your daddy can't do that, son. He's like, your daddy can't do the thing. When somebody yell at him, tell him to work harder. Got a man coming in there. He didn't have a bad weekend. Now, he wanted to fuck you on Monday up. He goes, son your daddy will kill somebody

he was like your daddy would rather have his own business and have his own situation and deal with the ups and the downs and deal with the and my mother is screaming from the back that's called someone who can't handle

authority son as we're in here eating syrup sandwiches and dad was like it's going to be all right I'm going to get y'all through it This is why you hate Team Titans. You've been raised to hate little niggins. I've been raised to not be on that little nigger shit.

That's not saying that you can't, that you're the boss in a situation. Right. And also, I don't want no little niggas. I want everybody to fucking level up because I think it only matters when everybody has an equal share in the game. Like, I'm a big personality and sometimes I got to learn the tip of myself, but I want everybody to have it. I don't want to get a chain and then get smaller chains or I wouldn't want you, if you came out,

keep that fucking chain out of here. But when I've seen that, I'm like, really, you're getting chains for them, but you're just establishing them as little niggas is what you're doing. Here's the thing, Rockefeller did it right. The Rockefeller chains, everybody had the same rock. Everybody got the same chain.

Everybody got the same. Out of the Dane. Everybody got the same chain. Everybody had the same chain. Imagine if Hove would have had big-ass chain, those skino and sparks, would have a little tiny one. And David.

I was like, but the problem is when you get everybody the same chain, you got a lot of motherfuckers wearing that shit where I'm like. Acting like they're the same. Yeah, I'm like, you're the weak here. Nah, man. But if we're not the same, but we've got to be the same. Yeah.

When they put the Rockefeller chain on some of them, they'd be going through the club. Like, yo, I'm like, even if there is, even if there is a hierarchy inside of the group, even if there is, we can't let the other people know. Yeah. Like, Taylor, you know what I'm saying? Taylor,

Taylor and Tucker got the same ring as LeBron James. You know what I mean? Now, that's crazy. We know, we know, but we lost the games. We watched the games. We know what it was. No, Jomey, you might just change my mind. You should get a little ring, bro.

A tiny ring, though. Like, remember the era? Brother. Bro, Logan Murdoch pulled me up. Bro, I was talking, I thought T.HT was his next Kobe, bro. I was talking crazy. No, it was funny. who it was? It was Austin Reeves.

Austin Reeves is who we thought T.HT. was going to be. On God. Man. We need to get the fuck out of you. Shout out of the little niggas. Hey. By the way, before we go, there is nothing wrong with that if you're okay with it. Because it takes a strong nigger

to be a little nigger. But it's, but you are saying shit. It does. But I'm telling you, I'd rather be, I'd rather be my own nigger I'll say is this

because I've seen it happen to a lot of homies you're the little niggins man you get into a fight with your girl and she bring that shit up we gotta go he is so fucking right bro bro bro bro bro bro

oh my god I see the happy too many times he is so right I'm telling you I bet you go if Sean told you to go Yeah we'll do it Don't worry about it

We'll do it when his boss asks Then he'll come over and whatever We'll do it when that You're right Oh my God They come over your boy Come over with that attitude I'm like take that dumb shit out of here

Yeah remember the episode of Madman When homie and the white hair came to the house Oh that's right You remember that whole joint I didn't have it And that was fucking Don Draper Yeah That's a wrap.

We're so toxic. I'm so sorry to everyone, man. Rest of peace, daddy, just raised me in a wrong way. That's why I lost my job at TMZ. White guys. There you go. This week on the Ring Reverse feed. Also on the House of Our Feed,

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Matt Murdoch can never be my lawyer. We're all getting chains once Jomey gets rich. Shout out to all my Puerto Ricans. White Tiger went out like a bitch. Did y'all see the leaks? What leaks? The Marvel leaks. I thought you were like, did you see the Luigi leaks?

I'm like, hey, bro. Oh, shit. Oh, that's a big question. Which leaks do you think mean more to people, the Marvel leaks or the Luigi leaks? They do. The Luigi leaks, for sure. They're trying to think. They're so dumb.

They're trying to run the play that they always try to do, you know, with the people who are trying to dismantle the fucking power. And I'm like, y'all just got more people on Luigi's side, right? I could not believe what I was reading. Dude was untouched. I'm reading the article and they're like, yeah, you know, well-lit, well-produced sex tapes. I'm like, they've spent the last six months thirsting over this man like never before. Yeah.

And now you're telling people that he's got well-made porn out there in the streets and you don't think that's going to make people mess with him more? Are you not paying attention? All they did was big him up. All they did was big him up. All they did was they sent a whole bunch of people running for the Louisiana leaks. I thought the Marvel Leaks was going to be the biggest leaks. They weren't. But here the thing.

You know, people call me negative. Whatever. The bar of the leaks was hit. Oh, wait a minute. Wait, wait a minute. Wait,

wait a minute. Look at any concept art from any prior. Like, they'll make Captain America Brave New World look good. Yeah. Let me get my piece.

Speak my piece. Niggas come at me. Charles, he's so negative. He hates the MCU. I finally am like, damn, I looked at the shit. I'm really excited. Whatever.

He's like, any arc. I'm like, I know. Steve, but I'm just trying to spread some positivity. Why'd you do that? I'm trying to talk about the shit that I do like. Always.

We put in a group chat, and then Joe was like, they did it on purpose. This is on purpose, for sure. It's on purpose. A thousand percent. Let me tell you out something. I wish, I don't know, man. I wish I could just.

Joe got a little Charles. Last time I checked, Daredevil had, I think it was last time I checked like 78% on Rotten Tomatoes, they like, bro, we got to, we got to feed the streets. It's so fantastic. We got to give me. Shout out to everybody at Marvel and, Disney. But, come on, man. We know

the leaks was, the leaks was intentional, bro. I don't know, man. Allegedly. Allegedly. I don't know. I'm not that cynical, man. These are like a Disney channel star that wants to, like, be taken seriously as a mature actor and then all of a sudden they leaked they shit. I'm from TMZ. I know when the leaks is intentional. I can give you out a top five intentional nude celebrity leagues right now. Nope.

Yeah, good. Thank you. But it's a great I'm not a lot. It was one of them like, oh,

I accidentally showed my titty. I saw it in Marvel titty. Or my dick. Just keep it evil. Right. Because cats had something? What?

There have been much more, seriously, TMZ knowledge. There's much more look how big my dick are is leaks than there are look how beautiful

my breasts are leaks. Like male celebrities that want people to see their joint, they leak their shit all the time. Wait, so can I ask... All the time. This is...

That's believable. That's all the time they got a joint. They want people to see the joint. They link the joint. I have no problems with this. My only issue is, if guys are gonna do that, I'm just like, you gotta go full lim.

Like, you can't, like, you can make anything. You know what I'm saying? Like, you gotta show us the limp if you're trying to, like, intentionally leak some shit. So you, so it's got to be limp because you feel like

limp is more impressive? No, I more so feel like I'm just like anybody would correct lighting and enough work. Let me tell you something. This was funny about a leak that we once saw. Okay. And it was a leak that we once saw, and it was very funny because...

Got to record at some point. It was literally funny because this, you could tell that this was somebody that wanted people to know about their joint. Because it was the joint next to the TV remote. Oh. So you had a frame of reference. Which is the direct TV? I remember, Mo.

I remember that, who was it? I can't remember. I remember the remote. I can't remember. It was a joint next to the TV remote so people could say, this is a real millionaire. This is a real, yeah.

It's like a hammer her. You know what I'm saying? Speaking of me on here, what are we feeling about that? It was cool. Again, I'm not that cynical to think like, I got on purpose because, I mean, I remember,

no, but I remember when the Infinity War stuff leaked. Rest in peace, Simon, Soul, and ascended A shit, man. Like, they nuked that stuff immediately. People got clapped for that, right? This was up for a couple of hours, though. That's what I'm saying. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, these things, like, they happen,

but I'm not sitting going to have to be like, they pushed a button. I don't think it's dying. See, if Marvel was operating out a bit more of a higher capital that I would have believed that. Circle the block again. I'm saying Infinity War leaks. Like, these things happen.

You know, no, but here's the thing. What was the news story? I think it came right before they were just like, yeah, you know, there was a movie theater in the ceiling collapse. For Gaffed in America. A brand new world. Luckily, there was only two people in the theater.

I was like, hey, yeah, that was crazy. They were, like, dropped the leaks. They were, like, drop the leak. You guys, medieval battle world was cooking, though. It was great. You got to see the Young Avengers in there? That was tight. I was like.

They're not going to be in the movie. All right, let's talk about it. Probably not. Probably not. Let's go. Let's go.