The Ringer-Verse - Disney+ Day Recap and MCU's Nate Moore on Black Panther, Blade and More | House of Midnight

Episode Date: November 13, 2021

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This is, of course, the Ringers Nexus podcast feed for all things fandom. You guys, it's not just welcome to the Ringgivers. Ring a verse. No. Well, there's more. It's welcome to a special Friday edition of the House of Midnight. We are joined by the great Joanna Robinson of the House of R. That's the working title right there.

It's going to be a Jojo's Bazaar adventure on this house. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. Mallory is not joining us today. She no longer works for the company. She quit after the disappointment of Disney Plus Day, right? Yeah, she decided to go a different direction. No, Mallory is not here.

But we are so excited to do House of Midnight. The Midnight boys love House of Midnight because it seems like they're adults in the room when we do House of Midnight. It does. Because we can get a little silly on here. You've listened to us, Joe. You've heard, right? Yeah, I have, I have. But I just kind of want to, like, join the chaos.

I want to be in the chaos of the Minneapolis. Yeah. Okay. Well, then let's get to it. Yeah. It is sick. Steve, actually, Santa Bear,

Steve the Christmas bear, Alvin. It is Jomi, the explainer. Ediron. It is 24-carat Chuck Baby Coke, baby Chuck,

the closer. And it is dark. Joe. Mojo, Joe, Jo, Joe. Joe, Mojo, Joe. And of course, me, old man, van. And together we are known as the Midnight Boys.

A p. Bim-mew! Oh! I'm so excited. All right, programming reminders, guys. This Monday, Joanna's going to have a sit-down with comic writer Matt Fraction. Okay, he's known for his run on Hawkeye. And, of course, this Hawkeye show is very closely based off Matt Fractions.

Run. She's going to be chatting with Charles about his work as well. The Midnight Boys are going to return on Wednesday to give us the first ever edition of Midnight Mrs. House of R. We'll be back next Friday as well. But on today's show, we'll be breaking down the biggest and best announcements from Disney Plus Day. A day of jubilation within the fandom circles. And later, we're going to have an amazing interview with MCU producer Nate Moore. There's going to be a lot of stuff

uncovered in that interview, Charles. Were you, were you happy with the way that went? We got to the bottom of a lot of crap. Honestly, I was surprised that Disney and Marvel let the foxes in the henhouse. You know, I don't know if they were ready, but Nate, Nate, my man, came to go a few rounds. I was really surprised.

Also, I don't want to, like, spoil your interview, but, like, Revelation, Nate's a... He's a fan of your show. I don't know. He called Van out pretty early. He listened. Well, he listens. You know, right.

Exactly. There you go. He listens. You know, you never think that your podcast, social media, anonymity is going to be broken down and the guy's going to be right in front of you. You get your takes off. And then you got to put your backbone into it.

You know what I mean? Yeah, I said it. I said it. Nate was a great guy. It was a fantastic interview. All right. Disney Plus Day, guys. Lots of stuff going on at Disney Plus Day.

Joe, what were you hoping to get out of Disney Plus Day? A little more than what we got. I was hoping, I was just hoping, you know, last year they did this sort of investor call slash fan event. It was like this weird hybrid event where you had to watch Disney executives be very stiff in front of the camera and then get a bunch of news. Well, we got so much news last year. We had so many projects announced, so much casting information, all the sort of stuff. So I was hoping for, like, some new casting information, something like that, something to get really excited about. And I am excited for what we're about to talk about.

But it was minimal. It was minimal. That's how I feel. Wait, did it feel like, I almost got deja vu because I was like, I feel like I was here last year. And everything they're announcing, they're just like, all right, here's the title card again. And we have five seconds of footage. And I'm like, whoa, whoa. And coming soon.

Coming soon. Coming soon. Let's start talking about what we did get. We got a little bit more behind the scene stuff, a little bit more insight into Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan Kenobi. You guys know how I feel about Obi-Wan. It's the greatest Jedi of all time.

Nope. He is the second greatest of all time. The greatest Jedi of all time, Obi-Wan Kenobi. Charles, even though you're an Obi-Wan hater. I love Obi-Wan. Don't do that. We have to hold it down for Mallory, who's not here, and just say like. Don't do that.

It's just better. It's three against one. Yeah. It's true. If like the ghost of Mallory Rubin counts, it's three against one. Pro Obi-Wan. Pro-O-B-Wan. Obi-Wan's the man.

Charles, I know that it raises your ire to be getting an Obi-Wan show because you don't like him, but what was your thoughts about the Obi-Wan series, BTS stuff that we got? Star Wars is picking their shot. They're bringing him on Man Hayden back. And if they can rehabilitate Hayden, if they can convince people that he was like the right choice to play Anakin, like I'll never like I'll never talk down on Disney's name again. I'm actually very excited to see him reprised his role as Vader.

I was just like, oh shit, they're doing it. Amen. Wait, like then, you're a fan of Star Wars. Do you think that Hayden Christensen will do a good job at Star Trek? I think he did a good job the first time. Oh! Whoa! It's a spicy take.

Oh! Not even 10 minutes in. I think you did a good job the first time. Okay, let me ask you guys this before we move on. Do you guys think Natalie Portman did a good job as Patmy? No, I don't. Okay, so, okay, so there you go. True, but you, like, okay, I agree with you.

Here's what I'll say. Even a great actress like Natalie Portman was stiff as a board in those prequels, right? Right. But, you know McGregor, like nothing stuck to him. He was great in those movies. Exactly. Right. There's a reason they're not giving hating Christians in his own

own like Anakin's spin off. But I'll tell you what? Because what the fuck you mean, Charles? Yes, of course, because we've seen Aniken's entire story. We haven't seen it. We haven't seen it. We, you can say the same thing about Obi-Wan, but Obi-Wan. No, no, no, no. Because they walked away

and they're like, he's good. There are gaps in Obi-Wan story. But let me just say this before we move on, because this is very important to say. I personally believe that they, no one could have been particularly good as Pad May or Anikie. I think Obi-Wan had a little bit less to do, and that's probably why we don't look at his performance the same.

I think Hayden Christensen did as good of a job as someone could have done with the scripts that he was giving and with a director who, let's face it, had lost it. Okay, I'm going to say this. I'm pro-Haden rehabilitation. I'm really into this. Same. Do you remember when he came out at Star Wars Celebration a couple years ago and, like, the whole crowd cheered for him, and I think he almost started crying

because he had been, like, dealing with so much hate for so long, I feel emotionally attached to Hayden Christian doing well. That being said, like, if you look outside the Star Wars movies, like he's great and shattered glass.

That's a great movie. Jumper? Jumper! I'm a jumper fan. Life as a house? Like, I don't know. I don't know. I'm a jumper fan.

Don't give me a start on Jumper. Okay. You guys want to do Midnight Misses. Jumper is not a miss. I want to do Midnight. gyms one day. And I want to do gyms movies that people don't. I'm all over Jumper.

Jumper, Jumper, good movie. I think we're all in agreement, though. Like, Hayden got a lot of shit. Like, more shit than he deserved. Yeah, yeah, way more than he's. I don't think, like, those movies don't work. And a lot of people are like, it's because of Anakin.

I'm like, no, there's a lot more in these movies that don't work besides him. But I'm very, very glad they gave it to him. I'm 100. Like, if he can pop off on this, give us a Darth, I'm here for it. I'm with it too. Question to both of you guys. I'll start with you, Joe.

How much intrigue is there from you? Because the question that we always ask about these Star Wars stories that go back and are sort of like connective tissue is how much intrigue is there from you about the time that this Obi-Wan series is going to explore? Well, what's interesting is they're heavily retconning,

which is fine. Because, like, I'm not that uptight about a retcon. But, like, as far as we know, right, Obi-Wan was just, like, chilling, making sandcastles in the desert that whole time, right? And now we're going to find out that he was, like, doing a lot more, right? So here's what I'll say. I'm always interested to watch you and McGregor play Obi-Wan Kenobi, no matter what, full stop.

I have some questions about how addicted is almost the word Star Wars, Lucas Omes to Darth Vader to, like, I might be in the minority, but like in Rogue One, like I almost wish she didn't show up in Rogue One. I kind of liked the idea of- Oh, Joe. Give me a pew-poo on that. I kind of liked that Rogue One was trying to be like really separate from the Skywalker saga. And like, you know what I mean? Like they were for a second, it seemed like they were going to try to spin off and not make it all about the Skywalker's.

And similarly with the Mandalorian, like Luke shows up at the end. we can talk about that any other day if you want to, but all of a sudden, again, it's kind of a Skywalker story. Do you know what you mean? Joe, Joe, this is what I want. People have been on me for that take that Luke should not have showed up

at the end of season two. I was just like, no, the great thing about the Mandalorian is it was separate. And now we're on the Skywalker shenanigans again. Wow, Joe. So I think I've just given up and realize that they will always

shove a Skywalker into a Star Wars property. one way or another. But see, here's the thing. And, you know, this is why you're both wrong. And I'll tell you why. Number one, Solo is an entire shoehorned movie. We just didn't need the movie, right? Correct, correct.

Like, and this is what I would hope that everybody out there remembers. It's hard to put distance between Hans Solo and Harrison Ford, just very difficult. So when you're up against it like that, when you have, that character played to a degree and really said in the standard and the archetype in a way for that character to a degree, don't do that.

These other stories are more wide open in the fact that you don't have that sort of type of of cement grounding, right? So when I think about them, I don't think about that. With Rogue One, I felt like the story actually needed a little bit of Vader a little bit

because it's literally what happens just before a new hope starts. It's literally, it's a very natural way to end the movie to get that to Leia because it's not just her. I love how both of you guys are the patriarchy got to you guys because you got Vader, Vader, Vader.

There's another Skywalker in it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, I mean, I'm even, I'm even angrier about Uncanny Valley Leia, for sure. But I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make Dizzy Plus Day about Rogue One. But yes, I will forever be mad about. Right. Rubber face lit. I think that made sense story-wise,

which is why it was awesome. And also, in the Mandalorian, who else was coming for him at that point? That story-wise, it made sense that he would end up with Luke. It did. So that's why I had no point. And the question about Obi-Wan is,

are they going to be able to make this make sense story-wise? Do I have to watch this? Because a lot of the Star Wars stuff that they throw out and stuff, it's stuff that we don't really need, man. It's not, it doesn't. Is this Clone Wars slander on this pod? No, that's not Clone War slander.

All of that stuff made sense that was filling in the gaps of things that we knew that was happening. I hope that Obi-Wan as a show is good enough to warrant its existence. Because there have been other things that haven't. Like Solo wasn't. It turns out that those three sequels, let's be honest, they weren't. They weren't good enough to warrant their existence. I'm going to need a whole other show to talk about that, honestly. This is just the amount of takes that I've been flying right now.

I'm serious, bro. But you're saying, you're saying Obi-1 show, I don't need it. Well, I'm not saying I don't need it. I'm saying they got to make me need it. Because there's a whole galaxy out there and they're coming back to the stuff that they know works and that's fine. But by the way, just from what I've seen, I think the Obi-1 show is going to be fantastic. I think it's going to be fantastic. What about the Andor show?

I'm not into it. For the same reason, you just don't need it. Just don't need it. Well, the thirst for the Obi-1 show, like, Youa McGregor has been hounded for years by people in every single interview. Someone's like, what are you going to play Obi-1 again? What are you going to play Obi-1 again? People shout, hello there, to him on the street.

Like, that's like, he is, like, haunted by this. And so I think he's like, finally at long last, I get to give them what they will. Like, people have been demanding this, right? I love Diego Luna. I don't know that anyone was beating down the door to get a Cassie-Nander. prequel series. Do you know what I mean? But I hope it's good. You know, Alan Tiddick is a robot. I hope it's good. This is the hottest take. I want to give you a real hot take real quick.

Sure. Go for it. Are the Mandalorians coming on like the Jedi's heels in terms of just like the Jedi's that have been taking L's in terms of their stories for a while now? And I'm a little worried if we're going to be honest. Show me his face right now. What? It's true. Jummi, you got something for us? Not even close. Every Star Wars like Star Wars visions, I didn't see one Mandalorian in Star Wars visions.

What are you talking about? Boba Fett was in one of the episodes. Every single story had a lightsaber in it. The Jedi aren't taking any else. We're going to see Jedi versus Sith forever. I'm not saying we're not. I'm just saying we're talking about all the spinoffs. Everybody's just like,

Mandalorian was a success. And then I'm like, all right, what's the next one? They're like, hmm, Rogue one. No Jedi's in that. You know what I'm saying? Like, when it comes to Jedi's and trying to to make them work, it's really tough. It's been really tough lately.

But there was a Jedi in Role One. At the end, Dark Jedi, Sith. A Sith. Yeah. It's the same shit. The Mandalorian, let's talk about that for a second as it relates to Andor, which we got. The Mandalorian does give me hope that, because the Mandalorian is just a fantastic

show. Yeah. It's a fantastic show about a character that we didn't know we care about. So the reality is that, well, there have been some misses from the Star Wars franchise in terms of giving us something that we didn't care about. Let's be honest. And there were also some huge rise and successes. I typically, I like, and it's weird that I'm going to say this, I like Force Awakens.

I like The Last Jedi. But those movies in their, those three movies in their totality, I didn't feel like they really did very much for the story. Oh, wait. I'm going to ask this question. Do you think, what do you think did less for the Star Wars universe, the prequels? or the recent trilogy. That's hard.

I mean, I know you're asking, I know you're asking VAM, but I would say, like, lore-wise, the prequels are so important. But they're worse. But they're way worse. And I love the Force Awakens, and I love The Last Jedi,

and then the Rise of Skywalker came along and made the whole thing feel like, what happens? It just sort of, like, spun out into the desert. So, I don't know. But the recent trilogy is better than the prequels, even though the inciliary content we got from the prequels

is better than anything. I will say two-thirds of the recent trilogy. Definitely, definitely better. Okay, so that's basically all the Star Wars news that we had. Oh, except for the fact that we got the Boba-Fet mini-dog. I'll talk about that under the helmet, the legacy of Boba-Fet. We just talked about the fact that the Mandalians are on the come-up. This, of course, all starts with Boba-Fed, a character who I didn't even realize that so many people were into until I was maybe like 18 or 19.

and everybody was talking about Boba Fett, Boba Fett, Boba Fett, Boba Fett, Boba Fett. But now, obviously, one of the Titans of Star Wars lore, the Boba Fett show is coming, and now we get like a look back into how this Boba Fett sensation actually started. How excited are you guys about that, Joe? I hope it's great. That's what I hope. I was a little worried based on the trailer that we got.

Because the teaser, Mal was talking about this. The teaser at the end of Medellorean season two was so strong. And I'm a big Ming Now Wed fan. And I think it's, you know, I liked those two characters. But the trailer has me a little worried if whether or not I want to spend time in this universe. But I think I'm deciding to have a little bit more faith in, you know, Robert Rodriguez, Favreau, Faloni, because they've done great stuff so far. So hopefully, you know, I mean, then they know what they're doing. right?

I don't know. What's got you a little bit worried about it from the trailer in the first looks that you've seen? I guess I just don't know why I care. I know why I care about the Mandalorian. I care because of this like father-son bond that we got invested in. And like while the visuals are all there for Popa Fett, I need something more character-wise and I don't know what it is so far that they might be offering. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I do.

What's my emotional investment in this? So. Hmm. Hmm. Looks cool. the opposite because I'm not invested in it at all. Now I'm excited because I'm just like, if they mess it up, I won't care. And if they just are like, it's the, it's like, oh shit, like this is what I need after the

Mandelorian. I'm like, cool. I didn't expect anything. And you totally jumped over the low, low bench that I had for you. So I'm actually like, all right, cool. It could be cool. If it's not, I will not care. Amazing.

They just need story, right? Because the reality is this. Grogu was the cheat code for the Mandalorian. 100%. 100%. Yeah, Grogu was the cheat code. So like when you look at the Mandalorian, it's like in the, we all know this, it's in the same vein as the rifleman or one of these things, old Western cereal where you have a different adventure every time. But the bond between him and Grogu and the fact that that's a thing, Grogu's so cute runaway character and little kid with powers, always getting to that, right? And so that was the cheat code for that.

You wonder what is going to be BobaFetz thing that is going to make people go, hey, every single time we want to go out and see the event. mentions Boba Fett. Now, Bounty Hunter, different things going on. You can, so many type of stories that you can go with that. And so much is going on that Boba Fett has seen. So there's a lot different places you can go, a lot of things you can do. But you know, you won't have Grogoo. So it'll be another reason why we care. Give me a baby Wookie and I guarantee you, people will just be like, shoo! Like so many people watch that show just for Grogu. Yeah. And like just and like the reason it was so popular to be with because, like, I know a lot of people didn't care about it to begin with, but then those, like,

Grogu Gifts and memes started hitting the internet. That was, like, the ultimate, like, ad campaign for that show. And the merch they've sold and all that sort of stuff. Like, that was, I like, I like you calling a cheat code. I think that's perfect. And then so what do they have for Boba? I mean, Boba has a huge, as you said, a huge following that is a weird story that goes back to, like, the action figure being released before the character showed up and people thinking

the character was going to be a bigger deal than he actually was. because his action figure looks so cool. Like the origin story of the boba fandom is wild. But will it translate to multiple episodes of a show I want to watch? We'll find out together this December. We will find out together. Okay, that kind of clears it up for Star Wars, man. Star Wars celebrations is in May 2020,

so that's probably why we didn't get as much Star Wars stuff. It's probably going to be more stuff to come out before some of these shows actually hit the air. But now it's on to... Wait, I'm so sorry. Can I throw in one last Lucas film thing? Oh, sure. Go for it. The introduction of the Willow cast. I'm just a huge Willow fan.

I love Willow. I'm like a massive Willow fan. And so Warwick Davis introducing the Willow cast, which was really, you know, there's Aaron Kellerman, Tony Revely, like all these actors that we've seen bouncing around other Disney properties are going to be in it. The video is just really cute. Those videos are usually like painfully bad, but it's just like a bunch of really cute banter.

Warwick Davis is just someone I really like. And I'm all in. I'm Willa girl. I'm here. I'm here for it. So Warren Davis did the show some years ago. It was called Life is Too Short. Is that the name of the show?

I loved that show. Yeah. That show has Liam Neeson. There's a scene between Liam Neeson and Warwick Davis on Life is Too Short. That is fucking hysterical. Like Liam Neeson is doing comedy, but like as Liam Neeson, is like the Steve you've seen this you've seen this scene the funny

I love this show and it's like the scene like is basically Liam Neeson pitching himself to be a comedic star and he's saying funny lines but he's just being as serious and as like commanding as Liam Mason is it's like him saying knock knock jokes as Liam Neeson which is so funny

it was basically like what extras was in the UK precisely right we're so like actors including Warwick and Liam gets to show up and be exaggerated, terrible versions of themselves. Or maybe an accurate version. We don't know them. But it's really, I love that show.

And this Willow thing reminded me it's in the same tone as that. So when I saw that, it was very refreshing and it was very, very funny. And by the way, I love Aaron Kellerman, by the way. I'm so happy she's in this. But by the way, also, I fucking dug Willow, man. Like, you guys don't understand. It was a different time. then you go to Burger King or McDonald's

you get a Willow Cup this Willow this Willow that Matt Mardigan you are great Like you I like it's like I loved Willow man Willow Willow is one of those movies It wasn't until years later That I realized that people didn't really fuck with Willow

That Willow was kind of like It was looked at as a bomb or whatever Before Disney Plus you couldn't find Willow For a really long time anywhere It wasn't streaming anywhere I know this because my friends and I like tried to watch it multiple times and you couldn't find Willow. And I'm just going to say if anyone's listening and has never seen Willow, I promise you watch it on Disney Plus. Disney Plus did not pay me to say that, but watch it.

It's a great movie. Val Kilmer crushes it in that movie. It is fantastic movie. Great movie, Charles, do you have any Willow takes? Guys, I think this is before my time. I was letting you cook. I was just like, Willow, Willow. When was this released?

But have you Have you not seen it? I have not seen Willow. Will you watch Willow and then tell me what you think of it? I will watch Willow and I will report back with because I was just looking at some of the photos and it looks interesting. I got to be honest with you. I don't like when people say shit like that was before my time. God damn it.

A new hope came out in 77. Like this shit is old. It's like a lot of this shit is before your time. I don't dig that. Yeah, but I could. Like every, every fucking holiday, they have a new hope on the TV. You just, you're just like, oh, I'll watch this. Willow.

I don't know if they were just doing reruns of Willow when I was a kid. Relax. And I'm saying starting right now, we're making a push for the Willow Renaissance starting on this House of Midnight episode. All right, I'm going to watch Willow. See, Van, you do the thing where you try to make people feel bad because they haven't seen shit. And I'm just like, I'm just like, I don't watch you. That's not what I do.

first of all, it's a Willow Sons. That's what it's called. Like, secondly, that's not what I do. You did that. I think Willow was before my time. What's wrong with saying that? Have you seen 2001 of Space Odyssey? Yes.

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And I'm not going to bullshit you. I have high hopes for Hawkeye. Look at you turning around. For what you saw from the Hawkeye, which is out very soon, do you have high hopes for Hawkeye? I was already really amped for Hawkeye because I love that comic so much. And this is the first time, Charles and I are going to talk about this one, you know, in our episode that's going to drop on Monday.

But like, this is the first time that Marvel has done something that has been so, I think that's been so close to a comic book run like from the logo of the show to like one of the centerpiece of the footage we saw today was this car chasing with the trick arrows and like

down to the car that's straight out of the comic like you know and they don't do that usually Marvel like takes a little spin on it and there are differences because like as we know Joss Whedon gave Clint a family and Clint in the comics is like a Bachelor in the City so there are different things

there, but, like, there's just so much comic goodness in there. And I'm, I love that comic. I'm so stoked for people to meet Kate Bishop, who's a character I really love. So, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm H-H-H. High Hopes for Hawkeye. Chuck? Put it in my veins. Coke baby. He's ready to snort this Hawkeye goodness, okay? Like, lucky the dog, like, just give it to me. Pizza dog. Give it to me. Is Boas's been a pizza dog? What is the pizza dog? Dog that loves pizza. Do you have a sneaking pizza?

I don't sneak in pizza. Let me tell you what I feed Bozeman. Only the highest quality foods for my guy. Steve knows. You snuck him some barbecue. You got him some rib tips. Barbecue from where, though? I don't know.

Where was that from? It was from Blood Soes. There you go. Fine dining barbecue here. Oh, Boseman eating good. Oh, my God. Bozeman, I'll make Bozeman a little Chilean sea bass. on Friday nights.

What? Yeah. You're cooking better than he cooks for me. What does he get like a, does he get like a sprig of parsley and some like lime? So Friday night

is Chilean sea bass night. I made the Chilean sea bass and I make it but I put one piece of Chilean sea bass in the air fire for Bozeman fried up. If Bozeman, if you don't plate it, he won't eat it.

Bozeman is the man. If you just put the Chilean sea bass on the ground, Bozman won't eat it. You put it on a plate, Bozeman goes, hmm, thank you. And then like, he'll eat the chelay and z-bath. And then he, like, tucks the napkin into his collar. And he's like, like a gentleman, like a gentleman.

He's the man. Does your fish Fridays go back to your childhood? Have you always been like a fish Friday? Yeah. It was fish Friday because of Catholicism and stuff. I'm learning so much, yeah. Right. I just had a Caesar salad with some salmon right there.

It's fish. It's Friday. It's Fish Friday, yeah. Fish Friday, absolutely. Now, Hawkeye was not the only stuff that we got. Now, we talked about the fact that maybe we were a little, some of us were a little underwhelmed with Disney Plus Day in its totality. And that might have to do with the shows that came out or what we got from the shows

because I'm going to do a quick rundown of the shows that we got, and then I'm going to come back to you guys and ask you to tell me how much you care about these shows sort of in order or what jumps out at you. We got Moon Night premiere footage. We got Shee Hulk premiere footage. Secret Invasion stuff, Miss Marvel stuff, an announcement about Agatha, House of Harkness. Coming out, we got Echo.

We got X-Men 97, which is, of course, a reboot and continuation of the old X-Men animated series. And Spider-Man freshman year, which is a Spider-Man animated show. Now, of all those things that we just talked about, Charles, Are there any of them that you just don't have very much interest in and aren't very, very committed to? Probably Agatha and Echo are the two that I'm just like, hmm, is there enough meat on that bone for like an entire, an entire series?

The other one, She Hulk, Moon Knight, Miss Marvel, very excited. I honestly just wish they would have been movies at this point. That's how excited I am for them. But yeah, Agatha and Echo are the two. where I'm just like, interesting. Let's see what happens. Hmm.

Hmm. Joe? I'm excited about Agatha. I mean, I have no idea what the premise is. So, like, I'm with you,

Charles, that like, what is it going to be will really be dependent. But, like, that was such a great performance on such a great character

that, you know, if it's a witchy prequel, if it's, you know, she breaks out of her, you know, punishment in Westview,

like, whatever it is, I'm excited to find out. And I'm sure they're going to like catch it, cast it with a bunch of other cool witches. Like I'm, I'm, I'm into it. I'm into the witch show. I'm into that. All the other stuff, like She-Hulk, I'm really excited for.

Moon Night, we have to talk about. Use the voice. Yeah, I didn't expect Oscar Isaac to come out and be like, chim, chim-chir-oo. I'm moon night, you know. You didn't expect the amazingness that is Oscar Isaac's choices as an actor? Honestly, the voice wasn't what got me. The thing is, I think it's a crime.

I think Disney, it's a crime that you don't cast Oscar Isaac with the beard. I feel like sexy-wise, he should come with the beard. I think if he had the beard and had the accent, people would be like, it's fine. But because he's clean-shaven and has the weird accent, people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're in trouble. We hear two voices in the trailer. We don't see anyone speak, but we hear two voices. And one is Jim, Jim, Chiru, right? Like a little Dick, a little Dick Van Dyke, right?

And then one is like a gravelly. like whatever. And so there's a couple possibilities, right? One is that because Moon Knight as a character has these different person, multiple personalities. Most of the personalities, right. So it could be that Oscar Isaac's doing both voices and he's just doing different voices for the different personality, sort of like a James McEvoy split kind of thing, right? Or that gravelly voice could be Ethan Hawke, because Ethan Hawke is like the antagonist of this film. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the multiple personalities because one thing I think is that

potentially the voice is so weird because he's trying to play it like a guy who is not an actor having to have a voice. You get what I'm saying? Like having to have like a weird voice. You sound like Lady Gaga defending her Italian accent in House of Gucci right now.

Her accent is amazing. Where she's like, it's supposed to sound bad. He's supposed to sound like this. You know what I mean? Maybe. I don't know. We'll see.

What is the main talking point behind the voice that we don't like? the fact that Oscar Isaacs doesn't sound that way the Oscar Isaacs, I put the black people S on the end of it. The fact that Oscar Isaac doesn't sound that way or is it not working for you, Joe? Because there's a lot of talk about the voice on the nets right now. It's very high pitch, which I think is like a tactic

that Americans do sometimes when they're trying to do a British, like an East End cockney accent as they go high for some reason. I don't know. It sounds really weird. Now listen, if this is like an alter ego that doesn't last long or whatever, that's fine. But if this is the main voice, I'm going to have some questions and some issues. Counterpoint, the voice is amazing.

As someone who has been known to have very, very bad accents, I'm very excited that Oscar Isaacs is getting millions of dollars to just butcher. Do you feel representation? You feel like you have representation in this show? I'm going to be honest with you. I think it's only fair. The Brits come over here and they play the most American. kind of characters.

Dude on Snowfall. You're like, you be watching black dramas. Like, the drug dealers are from like Compton and they start talking. It's like, chim, chim, chiro. Like, what's going on, mate? Shout out to Daniel Kalulia, who is a great actor. But they let this man play Fred Hampton. They let this man play

the dude from Get Out. He is the picture of Black American. It's Queen and Slim. So look, the turnabout is fair play is what I say. You know what I mean? I want. Pauly Shore to play Margaret Thatcher.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, turn about, turnabout is fair play as far as I'm concerned right there. Do it, Isaac. Oscar, Isaac. Sorry, now I want to watch, like, Her Majesty, Buddy, or like, whatever that would be called.

Buddy? We got to bring Polly back. We used to Jews. All right, wait, really, really quick, guys. When I was watching some of the footage, I'm like, maybe it's not done. But was some of the CGI that we saw, a little bit underbaked.

Like when I was seeing like She-Hulk's transformation or some of the stuff within this Marvel, I was just like, ooh, this needs to simmer a little bit in the crock pot before you release it to the mess. I would doubt that it's ready to go out, that it's all finished and stuff. I think we got to be a little patient right there.

I think She-Hulk looks a little gumbie to me. Let me go back to Echo real quick. So like, a lot of Coxling Echo, she is like, and we saw this in the footage, she's like one of the main antagonists of Hawkeye. So we're going to have Hawkeye to figure out whether or not we like her or not and are interested in following her.

The number one thing that I'm excited about for the Echo series is that Zahn McLarnan, who is great in everything ever, is probably going to be in that series because he's in Hawkeye and he's like associated with her. And so I'm really, like, Zon in the MCU, yes, give that to me. That's my guy. And as for She-Hulk, there's a couple weird things in She-Hulk. Number one, there's that weird pose at the end where the aspect ratio changes. They're in like 70s gear.

Ruffalo is standing and dressed to look exactly like Bill Bixby from the original Hulk TV series. And then she breaks the fourth wall and looks at the camera and is like, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Folks on Reddit seem to think that this might be like an ad for her law firm, but I'm like, Like, why would Bruce? Is Bruce working at the law firm? I don't know. I have a lot of questions about it. Why are they dressed like it's a 70s?

I have a lot of questions. But I'm intrigued. Do you think they're going to go a Deadpool route? Because She Hulk famously in her comments is very like breaking, you know, the fourth wall and stuff like that. So maybe they're trying to do a Deadpool slash Wanda Vision thing where it's not as straightforward of a narrative as we probably think it will be. I think it would be really fun.

I think it would be fun too. I love the meta of it all. I will tell you this, though. People like to throw Iron Man into the ring of characters that were B or C-List characters that we didn't too much care about before they came out and had these big movies. Yeah, sure, I didn't really care about Iron Man really before the movie, but I cared about Iron Man because he was so integral to everything that was going on in the Avengers and all of that. I just have never, ever in life read a She-Hulk book.

I have never, there's not a She-Hulk arc that I care about. It's just like none of that. And so I'm interested in how they hand these characters off and if they can work this magic again with a second group of characters. And that is, I know I keep coming back to that, but that's like something that I keep seeing. They are really going for. They must really have what they feel like as a tight narrative

and a tight mythology around these characters for the screen. they're really pushing it now. All right. Counterpoint, though, counterpoint. I would argue that Shehulk, Moon Knight, and Miss Marvel have way better comic book runs

than the Eternals or Shang Chi ever had. Moon Knight different. Moon Knight, I have read. Moon Knight's a fantastic character. Moon Knight different. Shehulk is beloved. People love them some Sheehog.

The Dan Slot run of Shehulk that came out like a couple years ago people got really into. Super into it. Yeah. So that would be the one that like, If folks aren't familiar with She-Hulk and they want to pick up a run, I would say the dance lot, Charles Sol Run, was the one that I read that got me kind of into it.

I'm going to read it. And also, I want to call Jomey to the stand because Jomey's all on my throat because as someone like I read Miss Marvel when she first came out, I think those first six issues are very, very, very strong. A lot of people feel very strongly about Miss Marvel because she's a Pakistani American hero. She's Marvel's first Muslim hero. And in her origin, she has like stretchy powers. And like the big thing about her origin is just like she realizes she doesn't have to be a tall, skinny, blonde woman like Captain Marvel to be a hero.

And a lot of people are mad that they're going to change her powers to more closely resemble Captain Marvel's energy powers. I'm not saying it's going to be bad. I just see why Miss Marvel fans are very, very upset. And Jomey thinks I'm wild. I don't think you're wild. I just think it's a tad off base. because as we've seen in the MCU over the last, well, since 2008, you know, they changed things,

they change origins, they change, you know, backgrounds. They don't exactly have to match the comics. As long as you get the spirit, right, as long as she realizes at the end of the day, she doesn't need to look like Captain Marvel to be a hero, then it's fine, right? We'll have to see it, right? We'll have to see the show,

but ultimately it'll be all right. Remember, in the comics, she got her powers via, terror genesis. They don't have that in the MCU. We're not going to get in humans again. That's done. That's cooked.

Right? So, you know, them changing her backgrounds. I would not be surprised because this show has been pushbacked already. We were supposed to get it this year. I could see that there might just be some story and narrative problems with them trying to adapt Miss Marvel, especially because I really do think that she is a beloved character in a way,

even someone like Shang Chi never, never was. And I think that when, if young girls are watching this and they watch the TV show and they change too much, they're going to be heartbroken. And I just don't want that to happen. It's like, Joe, you're in these, you know some background stuff on release dates and all this stuff. Is it fair to say Miss Marvel's had a little bit of trouble? Yeah.

So Rocky, Rocky Little Production. But sometimes great stuff comes out of Rocky Productions. And I will say Marvel is better than anyone. at doing reshoots and like patching over the things. And like what I was talking about, I was talking with Sean Fennacy about this a little bit. Like this idea of Marvel pushing back a lot of its release dates. Some of it is pandemic stuff.

Some of it is other stuff. I have some people nervous. But at the same time, I would rather they push it back and try to fix it than just go, okay, that's good enough, which is sort of how I felt like what they did with Falcon, the Winter Soldier. They're like, that's good enough. And I'm like, that could have been better.

I feel like they could have fixed that. With a little bit of time, that could have been a great show, and it wasn't. You know what I mean? So, like, push back Miss Marvel as far as you want to go if you can fix it between now and then. Do you what I mean? They might also want to be pushing it back to release it closer to the Marvel's film that they're doing. How dare you besmirch the name of the Falcon and the Winter Soldier on this podcast, Joe? How dare you?

Yeah, you know what? There was a movie that was a notoriously difficult production. that everyone, and nobody's going to remember this, but everyone thought for sure that this movie would be a gigantic flop when it came out. Ant Man? Oh, no, not Ant Man.

I'm going before Ant Man, but Ant Man is a great example of that as well. Titanic. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you got people don't remember this. Going back, shut up, Charles. You know, Ant Man was right there, and you went to Titanic. Titanic became the biggest grossing movie. of all time. Titanic was having problem after problem.

They were moving it back, moving the back, and people were like, this is going to be the biggest failure. This is going to be cutthroat island and all of that stuff. And then it worked. So what I'm saying is when you have good creatives, sometimes they need more time. Oh, I'm very glad they push it back. I'm very glad. Have you guys heard my favorite story from the set of Titanic?

Give it. Where somebody laced, this is true. somebody laced the like craft service chowder with PCP. That's not true. That is 100% true. What the fuck? You can go to many places including my old, my old outlet Vanity Fair.com right now and find the story. It is 100% true.

PCP and the chowder on the set of Titanic. Why? In Mexico. I don't know. I don't see. Do you know why? I don't know. I do not know.

I think it was like an ex. I want to say it was a prank, but don't quote me on that. but like it was like an insanely difficult production. What type of villains are putting PCP in Chowder? By the way, that's not fucking a prank dog. That's a terrorist attack. People that were super

sick. It was like a whole thing. Yeah, it's not like it's fucking PCP. You what the hell? Call the police. Yeah. That's bad. If you go to if you go to vice.com, remembering when the Titanic crew ate PCP spiked clam chowder, everyone was

rushed to the hospital. The perpetrator was never found. Anyway, Miss Marvel's got to be a tighter ship than that, right? Let me ask you a question. Of all the people that we know that were on Titanic, Cameron, Winslet, DeCaprio. Billy Zane. It was Billy Zane. It was Billy Zane. It was a hundred percent Billy Zane.

It was Billy Zane. Allegedly. Allegedly. Maybe Kathy Bates. Maybe Kathy Bates. Could be Kathy Bates as well. Could be Kathy Bates. But I feel like it was Billy Zane.

Nick Fury, first look shot of Nick Fury and Secret Evasion, that was like basically nothing. He had a little salt and pepper, though. He had a little salt and pepper. He looked a little bit more grizzled, but we didn't get very much. Let's talk to Secret Invasion for a second. Secret Evasion is a show that potentially can change the entire outlook of the MCU,

the entire fabric of the MCU because... No, we won't. Let's stop saying that. We say that with every single single. show. I said potentially. We don't know who the squirrels are, bro. So secret evasion could okay, Charles, like, wow. So you're saying no. See, the negativity is what I'm talking about. We didn't even get a chance to kind of jump into it. Charles, I'll just ask you right now, well, then are you not at all excited about secret invasion? No, I'm excited for secret invasion,

but I think people will learn from our Nate Moore conversation. We have to let these TV shows be what they are. TV shows are always just like, this is going to change everything. And I'm like, I don't know.

I just think it's like going to be a cool spy show with Nick Fury and some scrolls and maybe agent brand. Right. So you don't think at all, Joe,

am I overhyping what secret evasion could be? I mean, Namor was very careful to Charles to try to like ramp our expectations down. However, let me please introduce you

to a new segment that Mal and I started on our eternal steep dive, which is this. Secret Scroll. All right. could pick who might be a secret scroll in Eternals? Who is it?

Who could be a secret scroll in Eternals? And this is just a game we're going to play from now until Secret War is like everything is like who is our secret scroll? Because what would make Secret War amazing is if they cherry picked a billion different characters from properties we've seen over the years and it's like, bam, that was a that was a scroll, that was a scroll. I'm hoping and praying Sharon Carter and Falco, which his old is a scroll, you know.

I'm going to go, Kingo. Kingo? I think Kingo. I think for some reason. Is that why he wasn't in the final fight? Piecing out of the final fight? Piecing out on the last fight, maybe he couldn't be a part of the Unimind. Because he's actually a scroll.

Whoa. I love it. I love it. So I will go with Kingo. I'm taking that Kingo. It might be Kingo. I was thinking Karun Kingo's Valet

Oh, that's the best answer I just love him so much Because he that would make a lot of sense You know he's popping in and popping out This is a scroll You know who's a scroll? Dr. Strange Maybe

And no way home He's a scroll That's why he's fucking up all the magic But we see him do magic right Can a scrolls Scrolls have powers That's why they're super scrolls Do shitty magic

Shitty Magic Dr. Strange would never mess up that spell he's a scrawl speaking of no way home this whole disney plus day i know it was like you know disney plus stuff and it's not a lot of no way home stuff that's going on like it seems like we're getting frozen out on the no way home stuff are it i am i'm being serious there should be a trailer coming pretty soon but it seems like they're pushing what is it fucking now it's november 12th they're they're pushing those right up right up to the limit of all the no way home action. Are we getting at all nervous

about No Way Home? Charles is like, I've been nervous, right? I'm like, I'm so nervous. You know what it is? It's just like, not to use a basketball analogy, but it's just like when the Nets got their big three and we're like, oh, they're getting a ring. They're getting a ring. It's happening. And it doesn't happen. And you're like, oh, maybe putting three of these guys together and hoping it'll be the best superhero movie of all time is us getting ahead of ourselves.

Maybe it'll just be like a good movie. Jomey also feels validated right now it seems like. I say it first. I just want to be very clear. I take it back. I'm not agree with you. In the summer. In the summer.

It's yeah, it's just, you know, I mean, the movie Brady Much marks itself with all the leaks and stuff. We're hearing things like every week. Oh, this and this. So and so. But the end of the day, man, who knows what this movie can be like to not have like, have minimal footage. And the movie's like, what? a month and a week away, you know, ugh. So Holland recently called it sad and dark.

And I'm like, yeah, I was like, sad and dark. That's what people are saying. That's the buzz on the movie. So let me ask you this. If Holland McGuire and Garfield are the Nets big three of Hardin, Kyrie, and Durant, who is who? Toby is definitely Katie. Garfield's definitely is definitely

Kyrie. It's definitely just like you know what, fuck Eddie, like y'all be easy. Y'all carry this movie, I'll show for a couple seconds. It's good. I got a Netflix joint coming out. Yeah, I think Holland is KD. Holland is KD?

Holland got the numbers. Holland got the numbers. Holland's not, Holland doesn't have enough like sass and like... Let me tell you why Holland is KD. Yeah. This goes, you know I'm a McGuire guy, but the reason why Holland is KD is because he's

the guy that it comes the easiest for. And at this point, it's his movie. He's the, like, he's the guy that it comes the easiest for. But at the same time, the most pressure is on him. So that's why I would say that he was KD. So we have Holland is KD.

Hardened is Toby. And Kyrie. That's where it gets hard for me. This is where it gets hard for me. Joe, what do you think? I can't speak to this, but if you want me to talk about Willow some more I can. Wait, so, all right, this is, before we get off, Spider-Man, because we should have a whole episode on this.

Do you think that the thing that may destroy this movie is not that it's bad, but if Sony tries to do a thing where they pluck Holland kind of out of the MCU, or they make it seem like, like, now he's in Sony world, we're all going to be like, fuck that movie. Like, fuck this. Fuck everything. I want my Holland back in my Avengers movie. Well, that's why I have a question. Can I talk about the animated Spider-Man announcement that we got?

Of course. Yeah. Yeah. So they're doing, they announced three animated shows, right, the X-Men 97, the zombies, Marvel Zombies. And then Spider-Zombies, for sure. And then Spider-Man freshman year. And I have a lot of questions about this.

Like, the logline is an animated series that follows Peter Parker on his way to becoming Spider-Man in the MCU with a journey unlike we've ever seen in a style that celebrates the character's early comic book roots. So I'm guessing this is Tom Holland, Peter Parker. Jomi seems excited. But this is Tom Hall and Peter Parker freshman year. That means he's like in the gym jams, right? He doesn't even have his suit yet.

Is that we're watching? I mean, what, Jomey, what do you think? I think that's partly like, you know, they want to go back to their early 60s, you know, art style. You know, for him being like a little freshman year nerd. But I'm excited to hear that because now we can stop the complaining about Uncle Ben not being featured or nobody talking about him. And forget in the orange story. Is that a prominent complaint, Jomey? Like, are we really clamoring to...

Every single time you talk about MCU Spider-Man. Every single time, it's like, oh, no, where's Uncle Ben? As if we don't know that. Relax, it's over, Jomi. God damn, I'm just, look, I've got a lot of feelings. I just... Are you, are you a Campbell Scott fan? Like, are you, like, bring Campbell Scott into this...

No, no, I like Campbell. Whoa, whoa. I like Campbell Scott. I like the Campbell Scott era, the Campbell Scott move from the Garfield joint. I like that. Me too. You know what I thought that was,

I thought that whole thing was very interesting. Look, my thing is this, they already punting on Uncle Ben. They already punted. Keep kicking. They already punted on it. Like, you can't,

the animated, I have no interest in the Spider-Man freshman year animated show. Well, my, my contract question is, is it going to be voiced by Tom Holland? And is he allowed to do that? Absolutely not.

Everyone says no. So then, yeah, I don't want to watch this by some, like, guys trying to sound like Tom Holland. I'm going to pitch you on a Disney Plus show that I actually think if they were going to do a Spider-Man one, they should do it. I would want like an Aunt May sex in the city type spinoff. Oh. Just Aunt May and her girls. Remember when Sony, remember the Sony leaks when, like, we found out, like, how deep they were trying to go to. to like mind the Sony IP and they were like an Aunt May spy movie.

Yeah. Yeah. An Aunt May spy movie is something. Back when Aunt May was not, she wasn't like Marissa Tomey at May yet. She was like still. Old Lady. Harris and we were like, what's happening? Sally Field would have been a great spy.

Sally Field would have been great. I would watch Sally Field as a spy. But like I don't, you know, ummaid movies. Like these are ideas that sometimes, I mean, I felt that way about a CISC six movie. I was like, I don't need it, you know, but I'll go see it. But I think No Way Home is the Sinister Six movie. It might be. Like, I think they're finally jamming their Sincer Six movie into No Way Home.

And, like, the fact that Sony comes up with these ideas of, like, an Aunt May movie, I think this is why we're all worried about Tom Holland being snatched over into the Sony first. Absolutely. Because they just want to put him in a Craven movie, and they want to put him in a Morbius movie, and they want to put, and they have, like, all these ideas that seem bad to me that they want to use Tom Holland for. And I think Tom Holland's like, guess who's contract is up? Mine. Tom Holland might be getting to the point of regretting that.

Like, I'll be real with you. Tom Holland is so far, I've been dealing with great creative choices, Fagie and all of that stuff. Exactly. Sony trying to run the money up. They got a market share. They got all they trying to run the money up, all right? They're going to have Spider-Man in all kinds of different

shit rhino spinoff movies exactly they're trying to run the money black cat black cat oh that I have them that could be dope like black cat I'm actually I'm actually down with that could be dope wait really quick before we get off

No Way Home Island did you see that quote from Holland what was the quote basically the quote was him saying that they're like what would you do if there was like a new Spider-Man and he was just like yeah if they recast and there was a new Spider-Man I would support him and blah blah and just be there for him.

And I was just like, is there a way if Holland does not re-up that they're just like, all right, we're going to recast Holland, but we're not rebooting the movies. It's just going to be a different little boy in Venom and Craven and all this shit.

And Holland's like, you know what? It's been cool. Peace of. They're like, find us another Billy Elliott to slide into the part. I don't know.

It's, yeah, I mean, I am more worried that they're going to try to, like, peel Peter, Parker away from all the things we already know because all the things we already know

are attached to the MCU. Like Aunt May is attached to the MCU. That sort of stuff. Why would you say that, Joe? This is my worst nightmare. Why would you say that? I'm just trying to prepare all of this. Oh, this is, we're talking about a funeral.

It's right around no way home in theaters. Charles, real quick, before you get off this, you got your Marvel zombie show, man. Hey. You got your Marvel zombie show, bro. They've been listening to the midnight boys. They just, like, yo, throw Charles a little bone. He's our little hater. You know, throw him a little something.

Get us off, get him off our back. And I appreciate it, Disney. I appreciate it if I get. Now, you think, are you excited about this? Give me your level of excitement on the midnight meter for the Marvel zombie show, Charles and Joe. All right. So if it's a different animation style, 12.

If it's the same animation style that they had for what if, three. Jesus. What? Follow question before I give my rating. What do you think the Marvel zombie show is? I have no clue. Like, is it the Walking Dead but make it Marvel?

In which case, do I want that? If it's based off the Robert Kirkman, Marvel Zombies run, I think that will be very, very fun. I think people will, like, enjoy it a lot. I remember enjoying that comic run. If it's just a spinoff of the What If episode, might not be as into it. I think we got that story?

So I think that the what if, because the what if the show was multiversal, I think you can use the what if episode as almost the ending of the Marvel zombie show and show us how we got to the Marvel zombies and have Marvel zombies adventures and kind of start it over and then take us past that point. Maybe when you get multiversal heroes that come into it or the whole, because they left a huge plot hole open with the whole zombie Thanos situation. So, you know, there's a lot that can be done there

if it's set in that universe. I'm not as worried about the animation style as you are, but, you know. Charles, would this be your number one, like, choice for a spinoff from what if would be zombies? Absolutely, absolutely. That was my favorite episode. Van, what spin off from what if would you want most want?

Oh, good question. I hadn't really thought about it. It wouldn't necessarily be zombies. My favorite episode was Strange Supreme, but that doesn't seem like that's a very good spinoff. Oh, you know, I know what it is. It would be Star Lord Tachala. I really enjoyed that.

Yeah, that was great. That was my favorite episode. No, that shit would be too sad. I could, like, I could do it once. If I had to, like, watch it over and over again, I'm like, damn, he's not here. This is depressing. Yeah, it's pretty sucking, pretty sucky.

Okay. Well, look, guys, that was us talking about everything that went on here at Disney Plus Day. I would say here like we're there. We, listen, you guys, we live for this stuff, so we're very excited. But I'm going to say this. We have an interview coming up with Nate Moore, all right? The rubber is starting to meet the road with the MCU. There are more projects than ever.

There's more representation than ever. There are more plot strings than ever. They are ramping up. Ramping up. Okay? I'm going to ask both Joe and Charles to do something. Let's say that we start the MCU, the new phase of the MCU, from the beginning of the Disney Plus era.

That includes all the movies and all the shows from the beginning of the Disney Plus era. So that's Black Widow, Shanks Shi, and Eternals, and then all of the Disney Plus shows that we've gotten right now. What would you grade Marvel so far in this Disney plus... Are we doing like school letter grades? School letter. I know you probably went to, you probably went to an Ivy. So it's probably high pass or high fail.

No, no, no. I went to UC. B plus. Okay. Is I think where I would put it? Explain the B plus force. Like I honestly think Wanda is like an A for me. I thought that was like excellent.

I think Loki is up there as well. And then I like liked Shang Chi and Black Widow, I think more than some of the average folks did. I really like that. Aternals drags the grade down for me. I think the Falcon Winter Soldier was shopping. And like, what if I felt mixed about? So, like, yeah, that's, that's where I am.

Charles? C plus. C plus. C plus. C plus. Because here's a thing, here's the thing. I'm using the grade. I'll be like, is anything that I've seen throughout this whole era, top 10 Marvel, top 10

and see you? Not really. But it's so hard to grade the TV on like your, to put it in your film rankings. Yeah, but it's not even like, it's not even in the same tier. It's like, it's like good. like, all right, cool, they did it. Not even Loki? Not even Loki. Top 10? Like, Loki top 10.

Like, not top 10, no. And I like Loki. I think Loki is the best of problem. I think it's, I think Loki is. Really? So you think that there, it's, oh, okay, okay. Like, that's just what I'm saying. I'm grading. I'm grading the MCU off of what they've given us. You know what I'm saying? They want championships. Like, these, like, they redefined cinema.

pop culture. Did anything we get in this era redefined pop culture or cinema? Not really. And that's five. I like, I like, I like, I like, at The Ringer, like, you guys really love Loki and I really like Loki. But I feel like, for me, I keep coming back to Wandavision because it was this moment where, like, we weren't sure that Marvel Studios could do TV. And then they came out, they weren't supposed to come out with this one first. It's supposed to be Falcon and the Winter Soldier first. But they came out with this one, which is so, like, weird in a lot of ways and so interesting, and I want them to do more weird and interesting stuff like that.

I'm hoping She Hulk is weird like that. I think that would be really great. So, yeah, I would put Wanda in my top 10 personally. That's where I would go. By the way, I think Loki's up there. I think Wanda is too. I think Wanda vision is great. I think, yeah, man.

I mean, if not top 10, if both of those shows aren't top 10, they're right outside of it. I think WandaVision was you talk about changing shit. WandaVizden had the whole entire internet completely arrested. Yeah, because they're away from Mifisto.

I'm just saying, no, the show to show, I think you're not remembering what a moment what a moment. No, I remember how big it was because I was getting beat the fuck up. So I remember it vividly. All right. Time for my grade. Wait, yeah, what's your grade, man?

My grade is a B. Wait, so how is my grade then crazy? We're all in the same kind of like Z plus is tough. If you bring home a B to your parents, they're like, okay, do better, but okay. You bring home a C plus? For some people, you know what I'm saying?

If you got it out the mud, C plus is just like, we're doing good. We're moving on up. No, Marvel Studios. They're not the C plus students, yeah. Now, you know who's happy with the C plus? D.C. Shit.

They're happy with a C plus. They're like, oh my God, we're the cream of the crap. I'll put it to you guys. I was just saying, this is why I give it a C plus is phase four the weakest phase of Marvel. Yes. That's what I'm saying.

Like, if we're grading it other phases, like, if it's the last phase, I can't give it a B plus or a B. Well, I would hold off on that also because, I mean, it's not done. I know there's been a lot of content, but it's still like the first year. If we were to grade phase two

after Iron Man 3 and Thorough the Dark World, we would have torn the MCU to shreds. Why don't people like Iron Man 3. I'm so confused. I like, oh, Steve jumping. Steve jumping. Steve jump in. Iron Man 3 is great. I don't get the Iron Man 3 shit.

I don't get it at all. I don't get it at all. I don't get the Iron Man 3 shit. Wait, so I'll put you this way. Is there any chance that phase 4 at this juncture can hop from the last phase in terms of quality? Yeah, because you have, absolutely, because you have no way, homecoming. Then you have multiverse of madness coming. You know what I mean? And then you have

I think was it, love and thunder after that? Love and thunder is going to be great. Here's the thing is like they just came off. Like how do you come off of Infinity more and end game and all that? Like how do you come off of that stronger? You can't. You have to have like a down

phase. I feel like as you figure out what the shit are we going to do without Robert Johnny Jr. You know what I mean? And you guys asked me for my great so far. Here's the thing. I'm telling the MCU, y'all got a C plus, but I believe in you. You're the good student who I know you do more than this, but there's trouble at home. You know,

your parents are getting divorced. I want to give you some extra credit. And once we see Spider-Man, once we see, you know, Dr. Strange, we can bump that shit up to a B-plus. It's just their own notice. And Miss Marvel, obviously, Charles is going to bring it all the way over the top. Miss Marvel, look, here's the thing. I hope for all

of these shows. I'm interested in all of these shows. They've all gotten off and none of them have come off like they're absolutely, but that's why we watch the shows, you know. It's saying sports, that's why we play the game. That's why we watch the shows. I didn't think Hawkeye was going to be anything, but now I'm looking at Hawkeye like it's the greatest show ever of all time.

I'm hoping that all of these shows are amazing. I'm hoping that we get more stuff from them coming up pretty soon. Joe, thank you. What a thrill. I can't wait to hear your chat. with Nate more because Joe the Kay like Joe you you were swimming in the chaos river with us this is what we love okay you were just throwing up lobs and takes that is what we want okay thank you so much Joe I love being here I think Joe is a natural shooter yeah like like a midnight boy at heart

like yeah yeah I think Joe is a natural shooter because she was coming in with her own wild takes And to be honest with you, I love the fact that she pushed back against the needless Ironman 3 slander, which I do not understand. I want to make it very clear. I love Iron Man 3. I just know that a lot of people don't, right?

Iron Man 3 made more money than the Winter Soldier, which is my favorite M.C. movie of all time, which is wild. I know money isn't the only thing. But an Iron Man movie was always like bigger than any. anything else. That's the RDJ. That's the RDJ of it all, you know.

RDJ factor. Okay. Next up, we have an interview with MCU producer, Chordinaire, Nate Moore. Well, you guys, listen, you're going to want to listen to this. There's a lot of stuff being broken, a lot of stuff being said,

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in the Marvel Cinematic Brain Trust, but one of the most powerful minds on planet Earth. Producer extraordinaire Nate Moore. Now, he has created some of your favorite MCU films like Captain America, The Winter Soldier, which I contended was the greatest superhero sequel of all time. Charles disagreed.

You can tell the man to his face. You can tell the man to his face, Charles. There you go. Black Panther and, of course, most recently, the Eternals. And today, we're playing the most deadly game in all of podcasting. 12 questions to midnight. Ben and I will go back and forth as we asked Nate, 12 of the toughest questions we could come up with about the Eternal.

and the future of the MCU. He has 20 minutes. Nate, I got to be real, man. You're very, very brave for stepping in the ring. Kamal, he was a champ. He was weaving. He was good. He did his thing, Nate.

Big shoes to fill. Charles, you want to go ahead and go first? Oh, I would love to go first. All right, I'm going to lob this one up to you. Softball. First question. You've been open about how Eternals was designed as, quote, a big swing for the MCN.

see you. So in honor of that distinction, what are some of the big swings that everyone was debating during the making of this film? It could be story, it could be twist. They were like, oh, we got to chill. We're not doing it. We're not pressing the button yet. Kind of from the beginning. A lot of mythology, people didn't know. Characters people certainly didn't know. I think some story choices included Kingo not joining the final fight, which I know Kumel still gets questions about. What happens to the end, at the end of this movie with these guys, are the deviance interesting enough to be included? I think everything else we had kind of all come to an agreement on. What about Icarus flying into the sun? Oh, yeah, that was certainly something that we had gone back and forth,

but felt like the best ending for that character, because we talked about a version where he comes back, like in a tag or something. And that felt like actually it would undercut what he believed because he believed so strongly that he literally could not move forward with allowing Tiamat to have been killed. I think if he would have came back, it would have been like, oh, I guess that guy didn't actually, that really wasn't his core competency, which I think would have been a lie. Are you confirming that he's dead? I mean, have you ever flown into the sun? That's tough to come back from. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So, hold on. We don't like to leave things open ended. Uh-huh. Is Nate Moore saying,

that we will not see Icarus again. Oh, that's, I would never say that. Wow. Yeah. That's a professional. Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying, that's not very comic booky. I mean, everyone in comic books comes back, right?

So, yeah, yeah, but for this Icarus, though, he could, he flew to the sun. He might be back. Okay, cool. That's fair. That's fair, Nate. That's why I like you. You're a fair man.

Now, Eternals, I'm sure you guys are aware, has had sort of gotten beat up by the critics a lot. Gotting beat up by the critics a lot. What do you attribute the critical response to Eternals to? And will it change in any way the way Marvel makes these types of films with brand new characters? Because I'm sure it must be sort of shocking to look at the Rotten Tomatoes number from the creative team over at Eternals. I think it was shocking. I think a little bit of that is expectation.

Look, going out of Avengers Endgame, everything was a bit under the microscope. This movie was intended to be the first original after Avengers and then COVID hit and everything changed. In the meantime, Chloe Shaw won an Academy Award. Wasn't an Academy Award winner when we hired her. Actually, I hadn't made Nomad Land when we hired her. So I think the expectation on that movie started to grow, right?

Wow. Yeah, great point. Oh, for sure. Like, there was no Academy Award winner Chloe Zhao. It was Chloe Zhao who did the writer when we first hired her. She's fantastic and wouldn't take that decision back, but I do think the expectations changed. And I think people, because Eternals didn't have one single source material that anybody

really knew, people started to map on their fantasy version of what the movie was without really having any context of what the movie we were making was about. And then, look, ultimately you make something and you send it out into the world to be judged and it's judged. You can argue fairly or not. That's kind of not our job to make people decide how they feel about the movie. All we can do is make the movie we believe in the most and hope that some people think it's better than Thor the Dark World, which Van I know you don't think. Woo! Sounds being fun.

Well, well, well, Nate, Nate, you have to be careful. okay because in saying that you besmirch Thor the dark world which I believe is underrated I listen to podcasts I listen to podcast I'm kidding no so I think I think that's fine but it was the movie we wanted to make

and it was the movie that we and Chloe were really excited about obviously you wish the movie is more well received but ultimately you have to make the movie you believe so following up third question all right you're doing pretty good. We got in the Stinger, Harry Stiles popping up,

Thanos's brother. I want to ask you then, walk us through that. Thanos's parents and Eros' parents, how did they meet? Is Dhanos a good bigger brother? And I need to know what race both of these beings are. Oh, wow. Well, some of that stuff is stuff you will learn soon, but not today. Dang.

All I can say is Eros is in B, an eternal. Eros certainly has a relationship with Thanos, which we will unpack later. And Harry Styles is so charming that it was a no-brenner to cast him. Was he the only choice for

Aros? Once we met him, he was the only choice for Aros. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, makes a lot of sense. He's a perfect eros. Is there anything because Charles asked you a question about swings that you guys took while you were making the film? Is there anything that

you guys actually went with that having watched the film and watched the way audiences received the film that you wished you'd gone another way on. That's a good question. All of the choices we made that all the character choices I stand by, I think we could take another look at how we dealt out some of the mythology. Like maybe there was a way to make it clearer, faster. But as far as like what the story was about and is about, I mean, that's what we found fascinating. Again, and sort of going through all the Kirby stuff, all the gaming stuff, EarthX, the run of Circe and Dane Whitman on The Avengers, all that stuff, I think, is in the movie in the right ways. I think there is a lot of mythology, and some of that people seem to kind of either be overloaded by or confused by.

So maybe we could have said it in a different way. But as far as what the movie was trying to do, I think that's, I think that is the most interesting first Eternal's movie we could have made. All right. So next question. The after. credit scene with Dane and Blade seems to be a bit of a teaser for some type of MCU team up. I'm not going to say which, but it could be, it could be the Avengers of some sort as a fan. And we understand this is not canon or does not tease upcoming movies, but who would your six member New Avengers, West Coast Avengers team be if it was only up to you? Oh, wow.

So are you saying New Avengers or West Coast Avengers because I would have different answers to both of those questions. Oh, Nate, let's get nerdy. You can either choose New Avengers or West Coast either one. You can choose either one. Look, West Coast Avengers, to me, I grew up reading a lot of Avengers. And West Coast Avengers, I like more, even though in hindsight I realized they're probably not as good.

But there's a white vision out there. There is a Scarlet Witch out there. There's a war machine out there. There is a U.S. agent out there. I mean, you could almost build the West Coast Avengers as they were written. There's a Moon Knight coming. Like, you could introduce Tigra and have a pretty cool West Coast. Avengers that would make the nerd in me incredibly excited. If you were saying, hey, it's MCU

tools and we want to build around Black Knight, that's interesting. I mean, that's, again, the nerd in me, Black Knight's been around forever, though. You can do a lot of cool stuff. I mean, look, I would say Sam Wilson's Captain America has to be in there. I would say that Black Knight would certainly be interesting. I would say that, I mean, you'd have to think about what the story is, but Captain Marvel probably should be around. I think that that's three. I mean, I'm a big Scarlet Witch fans, I would throw her in there.

I think she's fascinating. I would probably say Shang Shi would be interesting, although it's only ever really been on one Avengers team. And Valkyrie. I love Valkyrie. Valkyrie. Not enough Valkyry. Yeah, like bring back Valkyrie.

I can't wait to see what Valkyrie's future is. Oh, I like that. All right, Van, you're up. Okay. So the mustard is off the hot. dog, we now know that it was Blade who's in the day and everybody knows, okay?

So that just, we're back in the Blade situation. It got me to thinking, you know, Blade is one of the first characters to really have the mantle pass from heavyweight to heavyweight. You know how Blade is almost like Marvel's Bond in a way, because this is the first God

and we're going to see we already had Blade, and now we're getting a new blade. So my question is very simple. Who made the call to Wesley Snipes that he had to hang up his sword? And that you guys were going with a new blade. Because if I know Wesley, he thinks he can still put that leather jacket on, man. Yeah. Well, he probably still could put that.

The truth is he probably could. You know, I will be honest, Mahershler wanted to reach out to him directly. Wow. Because Mahershal's a good dude, you know what I mean? And understands what that character means, both to him. of fans and and I think wanted to be respectful.

In the multiverse, is there any chance? That's actually, that's interesting. That could be cool. You didn't say no. You didn't say no. All right.

So, I would like you to rank in order which MCU fandom theories are either the most perplexing or annoying to you as a producer. Mephisto showing up in every single thing

we've gotten. That's true. Reed Richards, supposedly being in Wanda Vision, the mutants, supposedly being in every single movie. Everything, yeah. Or Namor in Wakanda. Those are your four?

To me, the most perplexing is Mephisto, because as a fan, I don't find him interested. Like, I don't know why people are so excited. Mutants, I get. Everybody loves mutants. Fantastic Four. Like, you could ask that question every time. I'm like, yeah, okay, fair enough. Everybody wants those in the MCU.

Namor, hey, he's a great character. I don't know why he wouldn't be in the MCU. Mephisto. I'm always like Mephisto? That like, I don't need Mephisto. And people, they love, they love the idea of that character. And I, and I, but I don't think that's anybody's favorite character. So I, I found that confusing. Nate, do you think you're slick?

I want to let you know that now I'm certain that Mephisto is coming. Because you just wrote Mephisto off to a degree that now all you did, Now, guess what you just did after this? 150 YouTube videos about why Mephisto is coming. Because you try to sneak a curve ball. Yeah, he was going in on Mephisto. You're going in on Mephisto. Mephisto catching some strays.

So I want to turn a little bit to the future of one particular character, and that is Black Panther. Okay. Can I ask a tough question here? Yeah. There is talk on the internet about recasting Tachala. There are a lot of people that want to see the story, of course, of Black Panther, but specifically of Tachala go on because there's so much that the character has left. I have been on record in my support of recasting the role, but obviously with how close the audience feels, how close fandom, how close the culture feels to our dearly departed brother.

the Chadwick Boseman, it's a hard decision to make. What are the chances we see the character of Tachala in the MCU moving forward? And what is it like having to balance loyalty to a fan base and to a performer as regal and elegant as Chadwick Bowesman along with the future of that franchise, that character, and of Wakanda? Yeah. It's a great question. I'm not hedging my bets. I'm being quite honest, you will not see Tachala in the MCU 616 universe.

We couldn't do it. I mean, I will say when Chad passed, it was a real conversation we had with Kugler about what do we do. And it was a fast conversation. It was in weeks, it was minutes of we have to figure out how to move this franchise on without that character because I think we all feel so much of Tachala in the MCU on the screen, not in comics, right, is tied to Chadwick's performance, is what he brought to that role both on and off screen, I would argue. So as hard as it is narratively to figure out what to do,

because it's a big hole, at no point did we consider recasting him. So the challenge for Black Panther, Wakanda, forever is telling a story without Tichala. And I think it's a challenge we're up for, and obviously we're in the middle of it and we're figuring it out. And it's so far I think what we're getting is great. But the challenge of the movie, I think, is to entertain people. But there will be a level of, I think, catharsis and people coming back to this universe without that guy because that guy in that universe, to me, are one and the same.

So as filmmakers and storytellers, you have to figure out how people are going to feel going into your movie and what you want that movie to say about that guy who's not going to be in your movie. Wow. Powerful. Powerful. Seriously.

All right. So we have, I have two more questions. Van has two more questions. We're going to get through them quick. Between Loki and Spider-Man, No Way Home, audiences are getting acclimated to the idea of the multiverse. Personally, if you could create any MCU movie or Disney Plus show based on a multiversal storyline from the comics that we have not heard about yet, which one would it be?

If all the tools were in the toolbox, you could do a pretty good exiles multiverse show and do kind of sliders with kind of a rag-tag, unexpected team of mutants. There's a lot of heavy lifting in that show because we'd have to introduce a lot of concepts real fast. But if you're talking about what I think is interesting about the multiverse, to me, it's going to a lot of different places and seeing different iterations of characters you know and love maybe from publishing, maybe from the MCU itself, and getting to express them in different. ways. And I grew up liking sliders. I think that's kind of a pretty good template or quantum leap even, that I think you could take a certain group of characters through however they

get through the multiverse in a way that's interesting. I like that. Yeah. A lot of stuff going on right now on the other side. And I know the other side is DC. Okay. You guys got Spider-Man no way home coming. Yep. And they got Flash coming. Yeah. Which is kind of multiversal right now. I just want to know who's biting who here.

You guys decided to go multiversal. Now D.C. is going multiversal. You know, like, did you look up at that? Like, oh, now they want to do Flashpoint. Now they want to mess around with different universes and stuff like that. Is D.C. Biden Marvel style? Or is Marvel biting D.C. style?

East Coast, West Coast, Coast. East Coast, West Coast. And is there a Marvel versus DC beef? Like, if you see Jeff Johns out, like, let's say y'all both at the Ivy, do you, like, send him a bottle of champagne and go, Tony Stark played for this. You know what I mean? The chances of me at the Ivy are zero.

Most like I came out, Fatburg. I don't know what I'm going to run into Jeff. You know, I will say this. The comics bit off each other all the time, right? So like they're going to their wealth of comics. We're going to our wealth of the comics. Those creators were biting each other all day long. So I can't get mad at them doing Flashpoint.

Like that's in publishing, right? And the multiverse, obviously, is a big part of the MCU. So we knew it was coming. I don't think it gave us pause, really, because it's such a different thing. I mean, you know, we watch those movies. Totally they're so different. I think there's a lot of really cool stuff in the D.C. stuff.

but it really doesn't feel like we're trying to step on each other. I think we're trying to coexist with each other. And I think there's more beef between fans than there are with us because we don't really interact in that way. You know what I mean? Follow up question real quick, Charles, real quick. Yep, yep. So since we're going multiversal and universes are colliding,

and there were mentions in Eternals of both Batman and Superman, is there ever a chance moving forward that we see the DC and Marvel universes collide. Right. Maybe in one film like they've done in the comic books before, like a Justice League versus Avengers type of deal. Yeah. I personally think that would be really cool.

And I think I know because it's come up, Kevin would be really interested in that because that would be amazing. Wait, Kevin has talked about Marvel versus D.C. potentially being a thing. We've talked about everything. You know what I mean? We're all fans.

but but I will say those books I always found bad because you can tell that neither side wanted their kids to lose yeah like at some point they're just like a high five and you don't get a real answer because I always found that frustrating and also yeah so I think actually it would be the will would be there and then you'd get into the nitty gritty of like what's the story and it would be hard I think those conversations would be hard

right like so you have let's say Superman and Captain Marvel as a potential like a team up or a fight how do you decide who wins that fight? Oh Superman. Let's be real. Come on Nate. Come on Nate.

You're taking the L there. You're taking the L there. We got a wrap up. We both got one more question. Yeah, go for it. Go for it. Nate, got to be real with you. The fans will be mad.

The midnight mob will be mad if I didn't bring up our Black King. who's currently in the MCU. Personally, would I be an idiot to think that Kang, you know, our Egyptian god out here, is on the same level of Thanos in this phase? Or no, am I putting too much on my man?

I think you may be putting too much on him, not because he can't have an equal effect, but because how he acts is so different. Thanos is a bull in the China shop to me, right? Like, what he wants, he gets in the most forward, forward way possible. He just cut through the heroes. Like he just, he just, I don't think King operates in the same way. I think he can have a similar effect, but, but the way he does it will be

different. So he might not be the villain who is connecting all of the heroes. It might be something a little smaller. That's right. Oh, so then that means there's another villain out there that we have not seen yet. But yeah, there's a lot of, there's a lot of ways to slice it. I mean, again, I think that the idea that we are building towards another Thanos level villain might be the wrong. way to look at it. Secret Wars. He said Secret Wars. I know it. Like, you're looking at me. I know the secret wars are coming. Secret Wars are coming. I was going to ask you about the Hickman's New Avengers and all of that stuff. But we know the secret. We know the secret wars are coming. We're waiting to go to battle world, Nate. Nate, take us to battle world. That's you take us to battle world.

Nate. That's what you got to do. All right. They say Thanos. I say Phanos. Ah. Okay. I'm from Louisiana. You know, it's like Shoddy Lo, Thanos, they knows, that's how I say it. Okay. Which is the correct way to say it, is it? Thanos or Thanos? So I say Thanos.

Uh-huh. Kid Harrington says Thanos. Because he, poor Kid Harrington had to say that. There's about a million takes of him saying it. And I'd be like, it's Thanos. And he'd go in and say Thanos. I'm like, it's Thanos. You'd go in and say Thanos.

Ah! So I think if you are apparently from the South or England, it's Thano. in the West Coast of them. Basically, you said to this thing else. Oh, look. Nate, I'm done with questions.

Charles, are you done with questions? We're done. He won the game. Nate, you were a champ. You came in here. No fear. Nothing. Didn't even care.

Nate's looking down the barrel of the gun going, hey, guys, just let you know. Professor X is fighting Mephisto and the next movie we have at it. The pistol is Professor X's dad. That's what we are. Nate Moore, thank you so much, man. We really appreciate you joining us on the Midnight Boys today.

We're looking forward to the next stuff that you guys are dropping the MCU and to continue to breathe lives into our childhood. So, man, thank you so much, bro. I appreciate that. No problem, guys. Take care. All right, guys, that is a wrap. Thank you so much again to Nate Moore.

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