The Ringer-Verse - 'Dune' Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: October 22, 2021

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I want a new name for this. Spice, baby, Chuck. Spice, baby. A.k.a. Dirty Spice, too. A.K.a. Midnight spice. Oh, yeah. I'm with it. All of those.

And me Van Quizex Hatterack, Lathan. We are of the Midnight Boys. All right. Programming reminders, the Midnight Boys will be taking a little break next week. A little break. But you're going to get a double dose of Mal and Joe next week. Now, the Midnight Boys are taking a little bit of a break because we're hitting into like the home stretch here of all of this crazy.

content. Charles is going to take a little breather and then we're going to come back. Are you ready for a little midnight relaxation, Charles? Are you ready for it? It's not even midnight relaxation for me. It's prep. You know, this is practice because we're about to get spicy. Spicey.

Spicey. All right, follow the ring of verse on socials. That's Facebook group, Twitter, and Instagram. On today's show, we are going to be giving our thoughts and instant reactions to do. Dune dropped on both HBO Max and in theaters. I happen to see it on the old HBO Max. By the way, before we get into Dune,

interesting observation from myself. There has not been one, one movie that has dropped simultaneously on HBO Max and in theaters that I have elected to see in theaters. interesting observation that I made to myself when I was watching. Wait, wait, wait. Let's count it down for those who I forgot. And there was Saints and there was Suicide Squad. Suicide Squad.

Many Saints of Newark. Godzilla and Kong. Wonder Woman 1984. Dune. There was that Hugh Jackman movie that I watched. I'm not sure why I watched it. The Denzel one. The Denzel one.

All of these movies. All of these movies. Steve brings up Matrix 4. Matrix 4, I will definitely be seeing. Oh, that's IMAX, baby. That's IMAX, big screen. Yeah, Matrix 4 I will be definitely seeing in theaters. But that's just an interesting reaction that I had when I was thinking about whether or not I was going to see Doom.

Now, so here's the thing. Dune is a movie that I've already seen. I saw the movie, which is why we're doing a reaction podcast to it, me and Charles. But nevertheless, even though we've seen it and you've seen it, which is while you're here, we have to make sure that we don't spoil anything for you because that's what the times denote. So Steve, I'll you go ahead and roll the completely unnecessary,

in my opinion, spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about... I do. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Dune is directed by Dennis Villeneuve, an amazinguteur. I love this guy.

Big words. What is this? The Bloodsisters? Oh, the Blood sisters. Blood sisters are smart. They're very smart. Smarter than others. Yeah. What the fuck? That goes without saying, of course. The same director of arrival, Blade Runner 2049, and Sicario. Sicario is one of my favorite all-time movies.

I called myself Sicario for like a year. I'm a Blade Runner, 249 boy. That was a good movie. It was all right. Dune currently sits at 84% on the Rotten Tomatoes, tomato meter, whatever you call it, with a 94% audience school. As of this recording, Charles Chil out.

As of this recording, I didn't do anything. The movie has earned $5.1 million in just its Thursday weekend preview. So the film seems to be both a critical and a commercial success. All right. I think it's a little, it's a little early. to call it a commercial success, we're being honest.

Okay, well, we'll get into it in a second. All right, we're going to rate this movie on the midnight meter, okay? But we want to make sure that we get you guys really concrete definitions

of what the midnight meter is because we've been throwing the midnight meter around here, Charles has become a thing. But do you feel like the people have a handle on exactly what we mean when we're talking about the midnight meter?

Hell no. I don't think we got a handle on it. Everybody use the midnight meter different, people using decimal points and shit. Hell no. Okay, so Charles, why don't you start off? and give the people a little orientation or reorientation

into what the criteria and what the midnight meter actually means. All right. So, yeah, the midnight meter goes from a scale of one to 12, okay? Normal rankings are one to 10, but 11 and above send the movie over the top. 12. That is reserved for game changers, okay? We're talking about Dark Knight, the Matrix, Empire Strikes Back.

11 can be used if something is exceptional, but not quite there. And we're instituting some new rules, all right? We're not punks here. We're not punks here at the Midnight Boys. We're no longer doing 0.5s and 0.7.5s. Everything has to be a nice round number. And with all that said, Van, Joe Me, Steve, are we ready to give the midnight rankings for June?

Yes. So it's important that you guys remember. It's a regular 1 to 10 ranking, but 12 if it's exceptional. By that criteria, I'm going to give Dune a seven. Seven out of ten for Dune for me. That's what I'm going to, Jomi, stop making faces. I'm going to give Dune a seven.

Charles, what's your score for Dune? For once, in the history of this podcast, van, we are on the same exact page. I'm giving Dune a seven. Jomey, all right, you know what? You've been side-eyeing us this whole entire recording. Just say what you feel. Just go ahead, Jomey.

Jump in. Stop. Jump in and say it with your chest. I said seven. Jomi, come on. For my midnight ranking, my midnight meter ranking, I'm giving you the 10. Giving you to 10.

I enjoyed it a lot. Okay. Okay. Look, look. You give it a 10 and you get no pushback, no rolling of the eyes, no downer talk. I just think you guys are unnecessarily harsh.

We could talk about this. How was a seven harsh, Jomey? Damn. How many participation trophies did you get when you play soccer as a kid, Jomey? Jesus Christ. Yeah, I got to get participation trophies. I won.

Super personal. Jesus. I'm just saying Jomey's looking at us, like, making us feel like bad people for just saying like it was a seven. Talk about that. You bring a man's childhood into it? Jesus. Charles?

The hell? Jomey, I'm proud of you and all your trophies. Just let you know, whatever they're from. Thank you. Yeah. Charles. God damn. You know, Charles is going to, I'm going to be honest with you guys.

Charles is going to break bad here pretty soon. Like, he is. He is, we're going to lose, you know who, you guys watch Ted Lassau? Charles is Nate. Oh, whoa. Charles is Nate. If I'm anybody, if I'm anybody on Ted Lassow is the dude with the

eternal bad mood, just eternally just in a bad mood. No, you're not him because he has a gooey core. You're Nate. A gooey core. Yeah, you're like, you're part of the diamond dolls, but one day you're going to come for us all. Steve, what would you give dude on the midnight meter? I would give Dune.

I would give Dune or nine. I enjoyed it quite a bit. I think it has some stumbling blocks, but I liked it quite a bit. Okay. So for everybody, Charles, I'll start with you.

What was your knowledge of Dune going into this movie? I had known about Dune for a while, but before the movie came out, I went back to watch the David Lynch film. I knew it was based on a book. A lot of my friends were super into it. And I knew kind of like the core mythology

of all the spice and stuff. But still, I was kind of green. So yeah, I was pretty, like, when I watched the movie, I wasn't confused. Let's put it that way. What about you? Did you read the book when you were kids?

No, didn't read the book. The first time I got into Dune was I got into Dune when I started to get into Kyle McLaughlin as an actor. Because he made some movies that really I liked. And so I was like, hey, you go back to this guy's career. I go back and I watch Dune. So I've seen the original Dune a couple of times. I never read the book.

As you watched Dune though. and the more Star Wars lore you're into, you can see how much Luke is lifted from Frank Herbert and his classic book, Dune series. It's a lot of stuff that comes from it. It's a Kanye and Jay Cole situation. Continue. What do you mean by that?

Explain it. Someone lifted their entire career from the other. That's all I'm saying. Jay Cole lifted his entire career from Kanye, is what you're saying? Well, he's been making the college dropout every single album for going on 15 years. So yes. Let me tell you something.

Let me tell you something right now, Charles. Save it for your other pod. Why am I so cranky today? It's one day before my vacation. Save it before your other pod. You know what? I know what I noticed about the Midnight Boys. We've stopped introducing ourselves as guys from other pods because this is, we're the

Midnight Boys. But every once in a while, Ringer Show Chuck, Ringer Music Show Chuck shows. up. You don't fuck about no Jay Cole and making the college drop out. Let's save that. No, I would say that I was a newcomer in that I didn't have a particular I wasn't clamoring for this movie to come out. I'm always interested to see

what a new director and what a new creative direction will do for something that was pretty put it this way. David Lynch's Dune wasn't a box office success but it was definitely a cult classic with a huge following.

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Tech unless you plan on doing summer. Visit weathertech.com today. I'm going to ask Jomey, not Steve, because I know Steve, Steve's got Dune all over his face. I can tell it right now, Quezac-Hatter-X, Steve. Jomey, how much did you know about Doom coming into the movie? Absolutely nothing. Interesting.

That was a trivia question one time about it, about the guy who wrote it. He went to Oregon and saw sand, and that was how he discovered to write this book. But that's all I knew about the film. So Charles, because you didn't know that much about it, a relative newcomer, green, kind of familiar, not as familiar, how good of a job did this movie do at selling you on the world?

Because there was a lot of world building that went on in this film. Selling you on the world, selling you on the mythology, selling you on everything that you have to get engrossed into to enjoy this film. I think it did a good job in terms of there is a lot of exposition in this movie, explaining very deep sci-fi symbols and words, you know, explaining what's spices, why it's so important for the rest of the galaxy. I think it did an admirable job

getting us up to date very, very quick. I did not have any quarrels with that. And I also think, like, Denny V, my man, did a very, very good job of showing us a world that a lot of sci-fi directors, when they go to space, they're immediately just like cribbing. Star Wars. Denny V. did a very, very good job of making a beautiful movie that looks very, very

distinct. I could see it was him. I saw it on a big Imax screen. I was like, damn, like, he killed, visually, he killed this film. Like, it was a beautiful looking film. Beautiful looking movie. Some of my issues with the film don't have really anything to do with the movie itself. It has to do with, and that's a weird thing. We know that there's going to be a part two to this film, which to me makes the back half of the movie feel a little incomplete and jarring in a way. It lost itself in a little bit of a way, but we'll talk about that a little bit later. As far as the world building, I thought the narrative was pretty clear. I thought the narrative was pretty straight.

I thought the excellent performances helped, like, even build that up even more. But everybody was on their A game. You understand the wants and needs of all the characters. You understand the wants of needs and needs of the universe that they are in. Okay. So, no, there was no problem with it there. This film is part of a series we now know. This is Dune Part 1.

Doom Part 1. How do you think the structure of the movie holds up to like a TV show-esque type of structure? It's heavily relying on there being a part two. Like, seriously, that's kind of my thing. Heavily, and let's be real. The marketing failed this movie. And what I mean by that is like, when I go into this movie, I'm like, all right, this is, this is going to be a movie about Timmy Chalameh and Zendaya.

It's going to tell this story. And then when I get in there, you see Doom comes across the screen and then you're like part one. And when it ends, you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what, what happened? Like, where's the rest of my doom? Why do you feel like the marketing failed it, though? I think that they held that back on purpose. They surprised the audience by not letting you know that it was going to be like Doom part one and part two and part three or whatever. Because I think when I got there, like I had no.

known. I had read a lot about it that this was going to be potentially a two-part, maybe a three-part series. But watching the movie, I didn't really totally understand how much he was just going to cut it in half. And should we get into this now? Like my big issue with the movie, go for it. Once again, Denny V, beautiful movie, the sound quality in a theater, this is one of the most beautiful movies I've ever seen. It was like being hit in the face. I loved it. Structuring. this movie is pure in a way, like a hero's journey type of story. You have your departure, you have your initiation. There's no return.

There's actually half of an initiation. And what I mean by that is like when you look at like a Harry Potter, a Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, these big expansive movies, they're all about the hero's journey. The hero leaves home. He meets a wizard, an old man who teaches him everything he needs to know. And he learns something. When I was watching this, I'm like, oh, this is like, act one and half of act two.

So by the end of the movie, you're starting to be like, wait, where is the rest of this thing, story-wise? Why am I supposed to care about Paul? What is he learning? Where is this going? And it cuts to black. And I'm like, ooh, that's rough.

Even knowing that it was a part one, I was like, if you watch Star Wars a New Hope, that's a whole movie. Even though there was a second and a third, there's a whole movie to that. There's a hero's journey. Same thing with Harry Potter.

Same thing with Lord of the Rings. With Doom Part 1, there's not. And I think that storytelling wise is a sin that they couldn't really overcome. Steve, Jummi, somebody want to jump in here? I think that's both kind of fair and unfair.

Because if the movie is being made under the assumption that there will be a part to and if they just pick a spot to stop, I feel like that's fine. I think it's unfair to us, the audience not knowing that there will be a part to or that there was until we just finished the film.

I think that's probably the problem where, like you said, marketing failed, where we were kind of sold a complete movie going into this and now we're realizing, oh, well, there's more to it and probably a lot more. So let me ask you this then. Hold on, real quick. Let me ask you this then to everyone. If this is in fact supposed to be an epic on the scale of Star Wars or Lord of the Rings, all of those things, if this is going to be doomed franchise,

Coming out of here, I read somebody that said it was the best sci-fi movie in decades. If that's what they're going for, from someone who liked the movie, Steve, did it succeed in setting the groundwork for that level of a science fiction experience? I think it did. I think it very much did. And I think that- So you compare this movie, you'd compare this movie to a new hope or fellowship of the ring or something along those lines.

I think that's kind of tough because, you know, like we, say on the midnight meter, like time really judges the best of those movies and how well that that goes. In hindsight, with a bit of a recency bias, this is swinging for the fences, for sure. It wants to be on that level. I don't know if I personally put it on there yet

because it has a lot of work to do in again, bringing it its own kind of relevant. Did you feel that magic? And that magic is very, very hard to kind of condense into something, but you feel it. When you feel like, when you watch

Fellowship of the Ring or like a new hope. At the end, there's that little bit of magic where if they never make another movie of this, you're still like, oh, I still feel like I got a full meal. And at the end of this, like at the beginning, I'm like, oh, there's this world. I'm invested. What's going on? Cool, cool, cool. Everything's happening. And by the end of the two and a half hours, I was a little bit like, was that feeling? Did I feel like if they never make a part two, I'm still satisfied. And when I left that, I didn't have that feeling. I had this anxious feeling of man, they better make a part too because I just invested this time

and I kind of want to see where it ends. Exactly. And I think that that's probably its biggest fault that you can give it because this clearly is trying to give you the like, okay, this is, we're going to have like that Christmas vacation, all three Lord of the Rings movies watch

in a row type of marathon viewing, but it's due. And I think it's when we give it that time, I think it could be something that that's just a special. But it does hold it back from being its own complete film just as a part one. Now, here's the thing. I watched the movie and I had fun with it because I'm pretty familiar with what goes on

and doing in the structure and the story. But I asked myself at times when I was watching it, if you weren't, is this a difficult movie to follow? Oh, I can answer that. Because if beyonds with you, there was a lot going on and a lot of stuff happening all on top of one another. other weird job of the hut

like guy. I love the Baron. I love them. Let me tell you something. Real quick. I want to give a quick shout out to fat, disgusting villains. See, when a villain is good looking, I always ask myself this question. Why are you a villain? When a villain is good looking,

and I'm not talking about like 80s movie villain, because those guys got to be good looking. But I'm talking about like these guys. Like, when they're good looking, I'm like, why are you a villain? But see, the Baron? I look at the Baron and I'm like... If I was you for a day, I'll probably be a villain. I'll probably be, yeah. I'm looking at the Baron and I'm like, you know what, Baron?

You kind of get a pass. Think about how they front it on the Baron. You know? And also, if I'm the Baron, I'm just looking at House of Trades and I'm like, damn, y'all some pretty motherfuckers. Everybody in here. It's pretty. But the whole House of Trades is pretty.

It's pretty like, Josh Rowland is like the ugliest one. And he's pretty damn hot. Even he's still... Ew. How was your number one soldier Jason Mamoa? He's supposed to be grizzled. Also, I got to be real. Even the mom, even the mom, the mom wizard.

I'm like, she's the mom in this? She's the mom. How can she be the mom? She's very hot. She's very attractive. Back to the question, though, before that little tangent, did you feel like that for somebody who was uninitiated, this movie would be a little hard to follow?

So, Jomey, you wanted to jump out of your seat at that question? Yes, because, no, I had no prior knowledge of the film. and I went in and I followed it and I got, you know, on the information that I was, you know, I understood, you know, where House of Trades was coming from, where, you know, House Harkening was coming from, everyone's motivations. And to Steve and Charles's earlier conversation, I feel like we're not, we're not talking, we're not thinking about the conversation Oscar Isaac had with Big Tim in the, in the beginning of the film where he's like, hey, he's like, I don't know if I want to lead. And Oscar Isaac's like, hey, you know, when it's your time, like, you'll know. Like, leader will call to you. And then by the end of the movie, not only does he have his dad's ring, he's also in charge of that little group of Furman, right?

Because he, you know, beats the, you know, he beats the guy in the challenge. And now he's like the leader of that group as they go forward. Right. So there is like kind of an ending to the movie. Right. If Paul's the main character. Jomey, thank you for giving us your thoughts on some. something we had already covered and moved on from.

Jomi, you really want to. I was trying to talk. Jomey was really trying to get that off. I had to get that off. I wasn't going to let that slide. I wasn't going to let that slide. Because Tim is the main character. Paul's the main character, right?

He's the person. We're going to get to Timmy. We're going to get to Timmy soon because I got some issues with Timmy. But I'll say to your point, man, I was like to my girlfriend. I was just like, you want to see Dune? She's like, wait, the Timothy Shalamee's and Dale one? I'm like, yeah, she's just like, where? I'm like, we're going to a theater.

She's like, all right, cool, cool, cool. She fell asleep during the first act. My girl tapped out too. She was just like, and then we leave the theater and she's just like, yo, never again. She's like, never invite you to a movie again. She's like, never again. Like, she's pissed. Like, she was hot.

Come on, Charles. It's not even, the movie is just dazzling even to, is she a film fan? Because the movie is dazzling to even look at, right? No, it is dazzling. But to be fair, if you are not like us who are like, we watch all the comic book shit, all the sci-fi shit. I can see like your regular just average consumer going into Doom be like, now fuck this shit.

Jummy, who are your favorite characters in the movie? Dunkin Idaho, you know, sick name, right? Let's just get that out the way. Awesome. Oscar Isaac's character. Lotto. You know, Leto, yeah. And Gurney Halleck, Josh Brolin, you know.

Thanos was out there. So I really enjoyed Anastatis, be honest with you. I liked being with that. with that family, that group for a good part of the movie. Yo, can I be real about something? When I was watching this movie, I was just like, you know what like Oscar Isaac and Jason Momoa and all of them have in common?

You could tell they've been in franchise movies before because, like, are they better actors on paper than Timothy Shawlameh? Who's to say? But when I was watching like Jason Momoa, I'm just like, yo, you're more charismatic than the main guy. who I'm supposed to believe is like the Messiah. And that's actually one of the problems, I think,

where I was like, I was wanting to watch, like, Duncan, Idaho the whole time be like, oh, yeah, he kicking ass, what's happening? And I think with Timothy Shalame, he's very, very good at, like, Oscar rolls, like, call me by your name. But when I was watching the movie, I'm like, oh, he's kind of getting swallowed up by the desert.

Couldn't disagree more. I thought he was, for me, I wasn't fully in on this film just because of the structure of the movie. I thought he actually embodied this character in a real, real way. Interesting. I didn't think he had any charisma.

I thought that he was really, really solid. I thought he showed strength when he was supposed to show strength. He showed deference to his father when he was supposed to... I really, by the end of the film, believed him as somebody who was going to become...

Quix X. Oh, I did not at all. I did not. See, I did. I thought he got out-acted a lot. Like, in terms of, like, movie star status, making me believe, all right, we're on an island, we're fighting. There were just people who were just more interesting to look at on screen. And whenever it came back to him, I'm like, oh, I don't think you've had the training on what it takes to be a movie star. Like, you are a good actor.

Like, I want to see you and, like, call me by your name. I don't know if you have that thing that, like, a Luke Skywalker can have, a Mark Hamel can have, where I'm just like, oh, I buy this. Like, I didn't buy him a lot in the day. desert. When it was him and his mom alone in the desert, I'm like, it's dragging a little bit. This is, this is... Oh, well, that is exactly where the movie dragged. Because that really should be, to be honest with you, that should be the middle of the movie. And then there should be some huge thing at the end. That was more of the... Sure, the movie dragged a little bit there, but it's going to drag when it gets so tiny in scope at the end of the movie. Steve was wanting

to jump in. Well, I wanted to say, at least to your point about Timothy Chalame, kind of not being the most exciting person to watch. In the books, Paul is pretty lame in the beginning of this arc because that's like, again, this was in the early days of like sci-fi. And your main character was basically your audience surrogate. And he was kind of just the person that like is the wet blanket that everything happens to until, you know, he has the calling in the hero's journey. So weirdly enough, I feel like he was kind of playing to type pretty well. Oh, no, I get that. here we're going to be real Frodo, Harry Potter, Luke, all of them.

All of them are late. You know what I mean? Like, nothing against them. That's part of the character. How do you become someone that people want to follow and lead? I want to go and get some power converters. I just didn't think, I don't think Timothy Shalemae has the movie star thing.

I was hoping to go to town and get some power converters. No, go clean it. Oh, Dan. Owen. Uncle Owen. I want to get a power converter. Come on. It's the same shit, bro.

They're all the same way. By the way, Frodo, I hate it. You hated Frodo? Three movies. Fucking hate him. Why? No, he was walling. He was walling with the Gallum, bro.

Hated. Hated Frodo. By the way, if you like Frodo, I have thoughts about you. Frodo sucks. He's whack. I mean, I don't, it's not like I like Frodo, but I have no ill will against him. It's like hating a piece of cake. Like, yeah, it's there.

Like, if you want a piece cake, eat a piece of cake. This cake tastes good. A piece of cake isn't the part of it. keeps dragging back. I don't want to see Frodo. I want to see Legolas. How you say his name? Logolas, Legolas.

Legolas. Did you read? Logos, what's Legolas? I say, sometimes I say Legolas for a long time. People got mad at it. They said it in the movie. I know, but I like to, they say Thanos's name in the movie. I like to, I get into my own pronunciations of things.

Come on. Now, black people love mispronouncing some sci-fi names, right? I love it. I love it. My dad used to say Oba, Oba won. No reason. Rest and peace, dog.

Oba won. I tell you what, you can't be Oba Wan, no. My dad is Obie. But I do the same thing now. There are some great moments in this movie.

We're going to get to some of the big questions that we were left with in the first part of doing in a second. But there are some moments that we have bulleted down here that were some of the cool moments and there's one that sticks out to me. You have Paul Stesest of Pain,

the assault on House of Trades. The first sandworm attack, sandworm, scary. Why sandworms are scary to me? They look like buttholes. It was very funny. I love them. They were the best part of the movie. Love the worms. Duncan, when he defends Paul, and the fight at the end, which I thought was really anti-climatic, if I'm going to be honest with you. Oh, I think the Duncan, I think the Duncan defending Paul fight is the best fight in the movie.

I was like, oh shit, yeah. The last fight I thought was a little anticlimactic. Anticlimatic. I really enjoyed the test of pain for some reason. Really? I thought that was I love shit like that Like there's a part of lethal weapon Where the guy comes and he lights a He lights a lighter And he makes Gary Busey Holded his hand on it

To tell everybody what a hard ass he is I love a good test of pain And I thought Timothy sold that really well I thought that it was an eerie scene At first I had to see it had to watch a couple of times Because at first I wasn't sure What exactly was trying to be proved but it was very, how could I say,

it was very, it was a curious scene. And the stakes were very high. There was some wonderment there in the pain. What was your, you guys, all of you guys, like, what were some of your favorite coolest moments in the movie amongst those that I just- Steve, Jomey?

I was a big fan of the sadworm saving scene when they have to go and land and save all the people from the digger. I thought that was really cool. I wish I would have seen that in theaters. And I did enjoy the, the, uh, the pain scene with the, with the little neck, uh, neck needle.

That was intense. I thought, because I would have just, I would have died to be caught honest with you. Like, it would have been a rap for me. So, you know, to see him beat that case, it was pretty cool. Steve, uh, as far as action scenes go,

I really, really, really love the first sandworm of attack because it really just shows you, like, how big these sandworms are. And like when they're, when they're, when they finally, like, evacuate, and when Timothy Shalame is tripping balls on spice and, like, Josh Boland, like, pulls him out

and, like, they take them up from the ship and you just see it, like, the giant starlighter like they were just eating the whole ship. It was incredible. But I wanted to actually talk about that. One scene when Javier Bardem comes in to the council room and he spits on the table. Spits on the table. Javier Bardem I loved in this movie.

I love Javier Bardem. He brings it in every fucking... He brings it. Javier Bardem, baby, yeah! So you were saying? Well, it's like so, like oddly tense in the beginning of that scene when he just spits on the table and Josh Boland's just like ready to fucking kill him. Yeah, he jumps on it. He didn't know. And it's just like, well, and Jason Momoa is like kind of like the emissary who's like been embedded for so long. I love the tension between how trusting the rest of the people at that table are. And it speaks to how great Oscar Isaac's like adapted into that scene of being like, okay, this isn't about disrespect. E's into this like, he wants to be a good leader. And I really was sold that pretty well in that scene. It was so good.

Oscar Isaacs was great in this. I loved the scene where he tried to take out the baron, bites down on the tooth and the gas comes up very powerful, powerful gas. Oscar Isaacs was great. I thought that this movie really had set the stakes. One thing I will say they did well. It set the stakes for this world in a really definitive way because you got some pretty big named deaths here in the first movie.

You know, you watch this movie and you go, why I got a lot of people in this. That's because they didn't have to work that long. I was just like, oh, where is my, my girl's in there? She's like in it for 10 minutes. Yeah, she came in at the end. I was a little, I was a little disappointed. I wanted to see her and Timmy a little bit more because they're going on the press

rounds. I'm like, damn, they have chemistry together. Shout out Tom Holland lurking in the background being like, what? But if you're Tom Holland, that's got to be tough. You think he's folding? Like, you, it's got to be tough. Like, I'd just be honest with you, bro. Salome is kind of a G.

It's got to be tough. Like Tom Holland is probably calling like, hey, what do you guys doing years ago? Shh, shh, shh, shh. Stop it, stop it. No, I don't do my man, Tom like that. We're just hanging out. Don't do Tom like that. Should I come visit you on set?

No, it's really sandy here. It's sandy. It's getting all in our eyes. It's kind of a down there. Are you guys having a party? Like, what are you guys doing? Hey, it's your turn, cards against humanity. And they're doing the whole thing.

It's like, he probably, that's got to be tough to have your girl. I'll tell you guys a quick story. If you guys, you guys out there thinking that I'm catching a dispersion real quick. Let me tell you guys, this is Old Man Vans, Hollywood bedtime stories.

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Hot. He was friends with Lee Majors. Lee Majors said, hey, I got to go out of town. I got to do this. Got to do this movie. I got to do whatever. He told Ryan O'Neill, look after my girl while I'm going. gone. He gave his wife, his girlfriend, whatever they were, to the hottest guy in the town.

Guess what happened? Ryan O'Neill robbed him. Like the fucking hamburger. He robbed him. Don't compare Fairfawson to a hamburger then. God damn. Gourmet Mill robbed him. And guess what? It worked out. Fairfawson and Ryan O'Neill ended up spending all types of their life together, being together for decades and decades. Lee Majors never got his girl back, never spoke to Ryan O'Neill. Have you ever been Lee majored? Were you ever Lee majored? Of course. It shouldn't be called getting Lee majored.

It should be called getting Van Laithen. It happens. But what I'm telling you is that Tom Holland, if you think Tom Holland is somewhere super happy because Timothy curly jaw, curly hair, Sick jaw, Salome is around his girl. It's not. Be careful, Tom. I believe in you, Tom. Okay, you got that Spider-Man money.

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Well, Steve is going to tee us up with different categories of things that happened in this and similar movies to see what we liked better. Steve, are you ready for this? Yes, I am. All right, let's hit you with the first category. Category is Josh Brolin hands a knife to a child.

Dune versus Avengers Infinity War. Avengers Infinity War. Avengers Infinity War. The way that he handed the kid the knife. Yes. Yes. Steve, don't ask twice. I'm gonna go, Dune.

Really? Yes, because we're talking about during the training scene, right? Yes, yes, we are. The training scene between. Josh Rowland and Timothy Shalame was pretty fucking sick. But which has the more iconic line? Obviously, it's infinity war, right?

Everything balanced. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be. I don't know. I don't know. I think I might be with Van on this one where he's like, I have you. And then he's like, I have you. And then he's like, I have you.

Would like the white savior story. We know which one is. Whoa. We're back there. All right. You want the next one? Sure. All right.

Ambushed in the desert mountain range. Dune versus Mad Max Fury Road. Not a unfair one, but okay. Yeah, what? Mad Max. What? Like, yeah, Mad Max Fury Road. Next.

Yeah. Mad Max. Matt Max. Clear. I don't know why you just did that. You just served Dune for no reason. Because we got a couple more. The next one just do Dune versus Jesus.

Maybe he'll have a, better shot than it does against Matt Max Free Row. Go ahead. Next one. All right. Gross bald people. Dune versus Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. Dune, easily. Dune, for sure. Yeah, Dune. I will say, yo, the Baron is the most disgusting

motherfucker guy. He's so disgusting. He's so bad. It's Stelon. Scars Guard plays the Baron and so sinister, so nasty, so disgusting. But once again, if I was that guy, I might fuck over a couple of people too. You could levitate.

What else could you do? He levitate. levitated, levitation technology. All right, next one. All right, dope spaceships. Dune's Firefly ships versus Slave 1 from Empire Strikes Back. Oh, good one. I never loved the Slave 1 to be honest.

I wasn't a big slave one guy. Slave 1 is kind of a weak ship, if we're being honest. Yeah, I wasn't, it's just hard to take something from doing over something from Empire. Could we do Millennium Falcon? Oh, come on. God damn it. That's unfair. I had to keep it fair.

The Millennium Falcon is, can we all argue, can we all agree that the Millennium Falcon is the greatest spaceship in movie history? The greatest spaceship. I think the only thing you can even like chalk it up to like you get even like in the, in the discussion is probably like the Enterprise. Let's do that. But let's ask people. And I'm not, this is not for, who's going to pick the Enterprise?

And I like Star Trek, but like. There are people that would pick the Enterprise. There's something. Yeah. In terms of like iconic spaceships, like iconic. It's up there. It's up there. Well, the Starship Enterprise is up there.

It's Michael Jordan and LeBron, but we know which one is one. Let's do it for Twitter. I'm not saying which one it is, but the Enterprise is kind of like the main thing in its universe. And the Falcon is a thing, but not the main thing. But for me, it's the Falcon. I love the Millennium Falcon because it's basically like a, beat up Chevy if you put like a Lamborghini engine in it.

Because everybody's clowning the Millennium Falcon for being a piece of shit that's like falling apart, but it can go really fast. That's it. We're going for the Dune Dragonfly ships. We're going for the Dune Dragonfly ship. That's what we're going for. Yeah. Okay. Yes, so the next one. Sandworms.

Dune versus Tremors. Oh, Jesus Christ, it's tremors. Dune. It's tremors. You guys are too young for tremors. I love Tremmas. I saw the first one in college. This one girl. came over and we watched it. It was pretty cool. Wait, was this a date, Jamie?

What? Jomi, why did you have to... Jomi, it wasn't... I'm telling you the story. Like, that's what happened. Jomi, one of the... You got your question. That was a weird way to put that.

What do you mean? That's what happened. You're slanging your dick all over the podcast, Joe. That's not... It wasn't even like that. Yes, it was even like that, though. That's what happened. One girl came over and we watched it.

Jolmi, what is talking about? It wasn't just me, though. It was like the whole room. She was like, hey... Oh, now the story's getting sick, Joe. We don't need to hear this. We're going with tremors here.

We're going with tremors here. Yeah, tremors to fit. Okay. We're going with June here. So this story seemed to rely very heavily on there being the second one, possibly even a third. Now, we've talked about that and some of the things that that meant for the movie, some of the ways that that actually may be hampered the movie.

Based upon the reception that you're seeing out there, do you think that there will be a part two? And Charles, because you are the harshest critic of Dune, even though we gave it the same rating, would you be interested in seeing a part two to do? Absolutely. I wish they would have just green lit it already and be like, there's going to be a second one. I probably would be less harsh if I knew. All right, in the year or two years, I'm getting the rest of this story.

Absolutely. I want a second two. Interesting. You don't want a second one? I do want a second one. And I'm calling it right now. If they make a second one, which they're probably going to make a second one, I think it is going to be an epic

on par with some of the greatest science fishing epics we've ever seen before. Because I think listen, I think where this movie was weak I think that the sequel will be on steroid strong. I think there was a world building that had to happen in this movie.

I think the fact that they didn't do the entire book and what film meant they had to stop in a certain lull, it was going to be clunky. It was going to be a little bit off. but when they pick up the things that happen in the second film if I know this story like I think I know it from the past things I've watched in the miniseries that came out in like the early 2000s

it's going to be go time empire level not in terms of movie but empire level pacing I think will happen in the second movie so I'm really excited about the second movie today do you think general audiences because I think what to get a second one like the CEO I know guys has said like you saw the end of the movie like so you know the answer, which is not a yes in Hollywood, like Van. Shit ain't greenlit until it's greenlit. You know what I'm saying?

Until people are on set. I, like my biggest thing walking away from this was just like, all right, after like the Thursday show, the Friday show, do you think that enough general audiences will flock to this for HBO Max for Warner all to be like rousing success? Absolutely. Let's do a second one. I'm a little worried. Oh, I got to be honest with you.

I think that this would be seen as a pretty monumental failure if they didn't do a second movie because if they don't do a second movie, this is complete nothing. I mean, I'm being serious. This is just a cool art piece if they don't do a second movie. They have to do a second movie. A second movie is getting done.

They're going to do a second film. They have to. They have to. There's a lot of reputations on the line here. by the time a second movie comes out we might be in a different place in terms of theater going it might be even smart

to do a second film and then do a re-release on this one in a way or put it back up on HBO Max and reprimode it or whatever they would do just to get people's palette wet for it again but I think the chances are very low

that you don't see a second film here Steve, am I tripping about this? No, I think that's absolutely right because they're kind of insane. They'll honestly just look stupid if they don't, even if it is a failure, even if it doesn't work, to know that they just took a bath on Dune part one and then just walked away, kind of looks worse than any sort of financial failure than they could. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I don't know the business enough, but like I feel like it's even worse of a move. Granted, they back

themselves into this own corner by making this movie as long and as intricate as it is, but I don't think you're crazy at all. I mean, like, if we're being honest, it's, it's a weird one for Warner because the Sopranos movie, which I thought like Sopranos fans going to flock to it, didn't happen. Suicide Squad, we all know at least commercially what happened. So I do think, like, yes, for reputations, Warner has been out here being like, yeah, Dune's going to be a hit, Dune's going to be a hit. I think they're just kind of like, yo. No, by the way, they're going to do another movie after the many states of Newer. I think they might do a TV show. They might do a TV show.

They're going to continue that. That's coming back. They're going to do more of that stuff. They're jumping into the whole IP game, trying to get people back into the stuff that they own. They're coming back with more stuff. And the pandemic, to be honest with you, is going to be a cover for a lot of the glitches

in some of these rollouts with these films and these promo pushes. And even if the movies aren't as good as what we want, they're going to say, hey, people didn't go, not because the film was. And by the way, this film is very well reviewed. Like it was it was just okay for me But people love the movie a 94 audience score and then 84% from critics that means something in terms of getting another movie made

You know what I mean? So I think another one will definitely be made when it when it comes out are you there first week Jomey? I'll be there Ro one seat one you know what I'm saying? My popcorn and my candy name That's a terrible choice for where to sit in the theater. Yeah, that's a really bad theater It's just it's a saying of phrase obviously not your best podcast. Not your best podcast, Jome be honest with you. Well, obviously I like to sit in Roe J, right, in the middle, probably like C-13, C-12. He was high off his own supply. He was on real ones.

I was listening to him earlier this morning. And he forgot about the boys. Not your best podcast, Jome. Because Jomey, what are you talking about? Jomey came out, first of all, you marginalized women. He came out talking about. We weren't even talking about having girls in your dorm room. We know you Big Willie.

But you- What are you talking about? This great came over when we watched this weird. First of all, it's very weird. Secondly, you talk about you go to a movie. You know how like, like, you go to a film and you see those people in their front row and you think, damn, they got here laid out, feel sorry for them. But their eyes, they're going to have headaches when they leave the theory. That's the theater.

That's Joe Me on purpose. It's not a be on purpose. It's the saying. Not a great pie for you. It's the saying. It's what the saying is. So you're going to be there. You're going to be there for Dune part two.

Yes, sir. We'll be there. Okay. So just want to say a couple of things about Dune overall. The story of Dune is like, one of the most multi-layered and interesting. stories in science fishing history. There is a lot going on in the movie. There is a lot going on. There is the emperor who he's, and what the emperor is

working for, who the emperor is working with, Paul's relationship with the Freeman, Paul becoming the Quixax Hatter-Harek. All right, him, you know, fulfilling the prophecy, all the eugenics that was done to get him to the point that he is, the situation with his mother. Oh, the witches go into the Freming, like, thousands upon thousands of years ago, putting the whole prophecy there. So they would basically have to worship him because that's what they've been waiting for.

It's a very layered. Like, I think people don't get it twisted. There's things I liked about this movie. It's a very interesting story. I just think that, like, I want the second one. Yeah, you want the second one. You want the second one. I think you, look, I think what you're talking about in the movie is something that a lot of people want.

They wanted a fully formed story. but I personally think that looking back on it, this movie could have only been a seven for me because it's not the full story. It's not the, it isn't the full story. Here's the thing. If we get a second one and it comes out, I might look at the first one differently

because now I'm like, oh, I have the full art piece. Right now I don't have the full art piece. Like Star was a New Hope, Lord of the Rings, Fellowship of the Rings, Harry Potter, Sorcer Stone, full work. I can judge them within the truth. but I can judge them alone. Right now, it's hard to judge Dune Part 1

because you know it's not a full movie, really. We're waiting for the other half of it. Fair enough. Fair enough. Overall, hey, cool experience watching it. I pop some popcorn. I did my thing. Doan. No, I would like for my nickname to be Quixix Hatter-act. I can see space and time.

Hell no. No? Okay. What are you here to see? I'm not, you're not going to do. So here's the deal. Just at a time where people are called what they want, want to be called. Just know that you chose not to call me

QuizX Hedare. Oh. No, no. No. No. Just remember what happened. Remember what happened? Steve Bannon-Charles.

Remember what happened right there? All right, that is a wrap for us. This coming Monday, join Mallory and Joanna. They're going to deep dive into Dune. All right? They're going to fill in all the holes that we left. And we left Swiss cheese-sized holes in the plot of this movie because this is an instant reaction podcast.

The Midnight Boys are going to take a little brain, like we said. next week, but you're going to get a double dose of Mal and Joe. It's going to be very fantastic. I might even pop up on there. You never know. Please follow at Ring Reverse on Facebook, IG, Twitter, anywhere else. Are there any other social networks that we leave out? Those are the only ones, right?

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Yeah. Maybe we should get on those. Parlor. Follow us on Christian Mingle. Okay. Make sure you send over all your thoughts, ideas, and questions. Producer credits. Our producer is Steve Allman.

Jomi, the Explaner Adiron, is on socials. Hashtag free Jomi. Additional productions from Arjuna Ramgapal and, of course, producer TD. Hope you're enjoying your vacation, bro. Charles, hit us with. an outro Jomi got the girls watching tremors

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and you always do we are out I saw this basketball player who I guess he's going to the league now his name is David Duke Jr. And I was thinking about I thought about Steve. Yo, we're so nice to Steve.

Don't do that. That's old habits for Vann. Old habits. You guys, it's just a joke. Don't get mad, Facebook. It's just a joke. Steve is the nicest fucking guy. I know I love him to death.

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