The Ringer-Verse - 'Dune: Part Two' Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: March 2, 2024

This is not hope! This is the Midnight Boys! They bring you their instant reactions to the hotly anticipated 'Dune: Part Two' (08:14). They talk about the blockbuster masterpiece and how they think it... should stack up with the likes of the sci-fi grates and what makes this film so memorable. Hosts: Charles Holmes, Van Lathan, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Social: Jomi Adeniran Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:17 We want to do something special for Dune 2. So even if the vocals are a little bit not what we want, there's going to be a lot of Dune content. Thank y'all. Here's the show. Come into the Ringiverse. This is, of course, the Ringer's Nexus podcast feed for all. things fandom. We are.
Starting point is 00:02:49 You only explainer to dinner on questions. We're going to answer me. We are. The gentleman's nervous. We are. Steve, the architect, Alden, the builder and tinker of things. We are old man, van. He is the receding resurgent.
Starting point is 00:03:02 Hairline. We are a Coke baby Chuck. Quizax Holmeserac? Quix Homes rack. The Mulsan little mouse person. Whatever they call it. Together, we are known as The Midnight Boys. Awesome socials.
Starting point is 00:03:20 Twitter, Insta, Facebook, save Jomi's job. Jomey what's up. You forgot TikTok. You should follow us on? I don't give a fuck about it. What's going on in the socials? Oh, man. Look, if you're listening to this, I wish you could see more of the Midnight Boys and person interacting.
Starting point is 00:03:43 Well, you should follow us for on socials. Maybe some clips, maybe some video for this. Make sure to lock in. You might see us talk about Dune on your social feeds. Midnight Boys pivoting the video. I like it. It's happening.
Starting point is 00:03:58 Steve, play some, give me some sensual music. Give me some, like, something like that's... Oh, right. Give me some love-making music. Jomi,
Starting point is 00:04:06 slowly put your hand into the Dune Popcorn bucket. Oh, God. Slow, slow, Jome. Oh, my God. Oh, Lord, Jesus, Johnny. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:17 All fours. My bucket, by the way. Yeah. Dad, Daddy, yeah. Oh, right. Get to the fucking show. Oh, oh. Oh, it's stuck?
Starting point is 00:04:26 Oh, it's stuck. It's too tight. Oh, my God. Oh, Jesus, the bucket. Jomi, you're supposed to, like, work up to that. You're not supposed to just go all in. Let me show on how young you are. Okay.
Starting point is 00:04:39 It's too much. It's too much. Unhinged. Okay, look. On Monday, the House of Rour will be giving you their much more mature. Dune Part 2. Deep Dive. to be found on the House of Our feed.
Starting point is 00:04:52 Don't know how many times we got to tell you guys House of R has their own feed, go over there and hang out with them. You're going to give you minimum seven hours of Dune coverage. No, let's actually, we should do a bet. Like, there should be a Fandul bet. How long do you actually think the Dune 2 pod will be? 3.30? 3.30? No, I think it might be four hours.
Starting point is 00:05:11 Four hours? Yeah. Whoa, the actual film is two and a half. Yeah, sure. They've done pods longer than the film, though. I know that. I'm saying. So I'm saying,
Starting point is 00:05:19 I'm saying it's probably gonna be 3.30. But I can see 4. What do you say, Steve? I'd say if we push 315, I'd say no more than 315. We?
Starting point is 00:05:29 Yeah, like when I, I produced the pod, so when I see the, they're like, oh man, we went for three and a half hours. We. I'm there when they,
Starting point is 00:05:46 okay. This will be brought up again. Wow. We're going to have the conversation later on. We're going to talk about it. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Jomey, be careful.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Also on Buttonmash. Also on Monday, buttonmash returns. Final Fantasy 7 rebirth. Everybody's trying to get me to get into Final Fantasy 7 again. They're trying to say, they're saying, hey, Van, hey, Van, this is the final fantasy that you remember back in your day.
Starting point is 00:06:19 You don't like it. No, I mean, like, You'll be fine with it. It's just, I don't think you'll get into the game. It's not that, it's not that special. I don't, no, it's not that you won't, it's not that it's not special. I just don't think it's for you. Somewhere, wait, wait.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Somewhere in, like, what the fuck is this motherfucker talking about? I'm Ben fucking Lindberg. It's my time. I mean, if you put a hundred hours into Spider-Man too, I don't know if Final Fantasy seven is for you. This is how Ben Lindberg sounds. You want to hear my Ben Lindberg?
Starting point is 00:06:41 Yo, fucking New York. Yo, yo, what's up? Nigga, I'm Ben Limburg. It's like, I'm this fucking video game. It's fucking video games, bro. Bud, man. Hey, Ben should just do that. Grand opening, grand closing.
Starting point is 00:06:56 Yo. Yo, welcome to fucking button match. It's fucking Ben Limber. Ben Lindberg is in New York. Yeah. Yo, can you imagine if you, like, talk like Ghostface Killer? That shit would be so fucking...
Starting point is 00:07:07 You, man, it's crazy fucking Ben Limburg. It's crazy out here, the Final Fantasy with the Linguine, yo. With all my gods and all my trees and earths and situations, God Body. Why don't you get you a cup of balls? oatmeal and pull up to Final Fantasy 7 is me fucking Ben Lindberg
Starting point is 00:07:24 and next Friday the House of R will be giving you their character Hall of Fame for Paul Atreides, what the fuck is that? It's a character study on Paul Atreides. So they're putting him into the character Hall of Fame? Yeah. I don't think he deserves it.
Starting point is 00:07:41 I don't know. It's a contentious figure. Yeah, we're going to talk, I mean, we're going to get into this movie, but we got to have some tough conversations on the podcast. as well. Honestly, in the colonizer draft, Paul Trades might go number one all. Hey,
Starting point is 00:07:58 I'm going to talk about some of the niggas that I put him with. Because in terms of, I put him up with the highest of niggas in terms of white saviors. He's in the last samurai Hall of Fame. Yeah. I'll let me say something real quick.
Starting point is 00:08:14 Shout out to them for making Last Samurai. Like, just having a bunch of people in a room. I'm just real quick. Every time I think about the movie The Last Samurai, I think there should have been somebody that went, nah, man, we can't make a movie where a nigger becomes a samurai in one summer. It just take longer than that.
Starting point is 00:08:32 No, see, this is why you've got to tap it to Shogun, because they're trying to do it with everything we know now, Steve. Oh, Shogun's great. They do it. That's your, that's your, Steve, it's a podcast. That's your Shogun's great. Add on to what he's saying. Give it to me.
Starting point is 00:08:48 I know Van's going to tap in. They got a whole cuckolding scene. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? The woman like fucking... What? Van isn't depored. I just thought that like...
Starting point is 00:09:00 He's like, oh, you would see it. He'd be like, I'm into show him. I'm fucking Adam 22. Like, like, it's... Shot on Adam. This is why he cannot be... Like, what? I know that...
Starting point is 00:09:11 I just thought I was like Van would like this. There's a cuckholding scene. I know Van will be into it. It's crazy. What? I thought after seeing it, I'm like, did they invent this in Japan? Like, is this the birth of this? Cuckolden came from Japan?
Starting point is 00:09:26 I don't know. I just thought after seeing it in Shogun. I really think we should talk about Dune. All right, on today's show, we give our instant reactions to the highly anticipated. Dune Part 2. Diggas Duna McGoonie Time. Here's it. We're going to be spoiling everything.
Starting point is 00:09:45 We're going to spoil a 1984 movie. We're going to spoil Frank Herbert's Dune, the miniseriesies. which we didn't see. We're going to spoil children of Dune. We might spoil all kinds of different shit. So if you're not ready to talk about Dune, then turn a goddamn, motherfucking podcast off right now.
Starting point is 00:10:01 Steve, give a spoiler morning. We're getting ready to talk about Dune. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, now to begin our reactions, we have to put you in the know about this movie. We have to make sure that you know everything there is to know
Starting point is 00:10:24 about Dune Part 2. And the only person who can do that is Charles Holmes. Chuck, take it away. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for Dune Part 2, directed by Denny Villeneuve, starring Timothy Chalemay, Zendaya, Austin Butler, Rebecca Ferguson, Josh Brolin, Javier Barna. All right, we begin with Paul and Lady Jessica, who are facing skepticism from the Fremen group
Starting point is 00:10:49 as they enter their community. Stillgarde, along with many Fremen, believe in the Ben-Jezerese seated proxy, that Paul is the Madeeb, meant to liberate their people, while many of the younger Fremant, including Shawnee, remains skeptical of the space white boy. Lady Jessica sips on the water of light scissert
Starting point is 00:11:03 to become the Fremens' Reverend mother. Then the baby space worm fluid also give Jessica's unborn daughter prophetic talking baby powers. Paul rides a worm, gets busy with Shawnee and clips a lot of Harkonans, then still guard is like, this white boy is dangerous,
Starting point is 00:11:19 and he whips everyone into a frenzy that the prophecy is coming. Meanwhile, Baron Harkinan is mad that Dave Batista is fucking up the spice shit. So he sends Austin Butler, aka Fed Harconin, aka another space Nazi, maybe a Messiah, to deal with Paul. Meanwhile, the emperor and his daughter, Florence Pugh, are sad because they killed Oscar Isaac in the first movie. So Florence Pugh realizes that the Benjazzar are up to no good. But she falls in line with the cause because she knows she can't fight the space witches.
Starting point is 00:11:48 So Paul goes full colonizer. Once the old homie gurney shows up, they plot to use some nuclear attacks on the Harkinens. Paul yells at the Northern Fremand and does the Messiah shit. And now United, Paul and the Fremant, take back the Capitol. Paul gets his lick back, kills the Baron, Denny fucks up Austin Butler. Then Paul pulls to Travis Kelsey in a really, honestly, surprising plot twist because Paul doesn't want to wipe our Black Queen Shawnee and instead puts a ring on Florence fucking Pew. And that has been your midnight manifest.
Starting point is 00:12:21 Shocking. Shocking. Tragant events there at the end. Ridiculous. Look, let's get into the intradition of the movies, Fent. Fantastic. I mean, I manifest, by the way. Charles, you are the toughest grader of movies that's ever lived. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Get out of here. It's a bit. We know that's your thing. I saw your face leaving this movie. And I saw the wonder, the fantastical nature of the boyishness that jumped out. Yes.
Starting point is 00:12:54 There was like a little glitter on your shoulder. A little spice malon. A little spice malone. What did you think about Don't Do you? All right, let's set the scene. You know what I'm saying? Like, magical experience, magical night. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:13:13 Three black men. Chris Ryan, all in the same row, seated. From the moment the movie starts, it was like something was unlocked. I walked out of this, the theater being like, this might have been one of the greatest movie-going experiences for a sci-fi movie I've seen in my lifetime. It was, I don't know, like, Denny not only did something that I think is going to go down
Starting point is 00:13:38 as a masterwork when we view it all together. I think this might be the moment when we point to like a Timothy Chalamey and Austin Butler, Florence Puez and die and be like, oh, no, that was a moment. Like, we complain about how we don't have Hollywood stars anymore. We complain about how these movies don't have the same magic. They don't feel like they did back in the day. and watching Doom 2, I was like, oh, we can still do this. We can still make movies that transport us, that surprise us, that punch us in the gut, that make us think that are ambitious.
Starting point is 00:14:08 What Danny was able to pull off in this movie, like, fucking hats off to him. I was like fucking chills. What about you then? So everything that you said, and I think it, there is a feeling of newness and a feeling of familiarity. that makes the film going experience very unique. The newness is that this world, as many sci-fi worlds as we've seen in as many sci-fi movies as we've watched,
Starting point is 00:14:40 this world feels completely unique. It's a lot of sand, but it doesn't feel like tattooed. It feels like it should feel someplace that's thousands of years in the future, very, very far away. There is an understanding of human, human beings and their relationships and all of that. But there's a sort of ethereal spirituality to the movie
Starting point is 00:15:07 that's conveyed in every single shot. Yeah. These people have evolved into something different than what we are. And that's like what sci-fi really does to you. Like when you watching fantasy or sci-fi, it's like these are humans, but not in the way that we are human. And that's conveyed in every single, in ways they're more primitive than we are. In ways they're more advanced, you're just having a different experience.
Starting point is 00:15:28 And that happens scene to seem. Like you're on Iraqis, it's you understand Iraqis. As soon as you start to understand Iraqis, you go to the Harkinus planet, which is this just destructive gray scale, gray scale, just terrifying, horror-filled dungeon of a world with like things popping. And it's just, it's an assault on your senses. It's a very intimate one. I loved it.
Starting point is 00:16:02 I agree with everything that you say. I also think that the feeling that you get in terms of the movie going experience is when someone takes a big idea and goes through it with a fine tooth comb. Yeah. And builds a work. Like, Denny, like, you see a lot of sci-fi where, like, they didn't think about this world enough. And every single part, like, even when they go to the Harkinim planet, their fireworks
Starting point is 00:16:28 when they explode are like ink blots. And I was just like, oh shit. I was like, you're seeing something. I'm like, I haven't seen this on screen before. Every part of their world is infected by the excess and the gluttony
Starting point is 00:16:43 and how much they've extracted from it. They're so ravenous that there's nothing left on that planet. They've actually pulled all of the color out of it, all of the meaning out of it, which is the opposite of what Iraqis is. Iraqis is a place
Starting point is 00:16:58 with a group of people that are actually trying to fight to stop themselves from becoming what the Harkening world is. The spice colors the surface of their planet, but it also gives it meaning, and they're trying to
Starting point is 00:17:15 stop that. So, like, you're buttressing what they are with what they don't want to become, and that's, like, literally what they're fighting against. Something else I'll say is, like, we love the Marvel movies, and we love all that stuff, and I'm not going to stop loving them. Like my experience with Dune or any movie that achieves New Heights
Starting point is 00:17:31 is not going to stop me from loving that stuff. But the interesting thing about those movies is that they're able to do surgery with like meat cleaver. Yeah. Because they have to. The movies are so big, like the MCU is so big, you can't cut it with a scalpel. You have to take it apart with the meat cleaver,
Starting point is 00:17:49 but they're able to do it in a fine enough way that leaves you with details that matter and characters that matter. they're able to say, okay, we've got to hack this stuff up, but we're going to do it in a very arful way. This movie is all scapple. It's like a big thing, but it's about ticks and movements and subtle looks and little shots. It's surgical.
Starting point is 00:18:11 Every shot is surgical. Everything is surgical, and that makes you feel like they cared about the story that they were telling. And that's to me what comes through when you're watching the film. Men, Boys, what you got? living the theater, I imagine this is what it felt like to walk out of Empire Strikes Back. You know what I'm saying? Do you watch the first, like I watched the first Dune. I literally, before we went to see Dune 2, I just ran Dune 1, right?
Starting point is 00:18:42 And I'm thinking to myself, how do you top this? How do you make a better experience than this? And I left the theater going, holy crap. That was incredible. The scope, the cinematography, the acting. It just delivers on every level. Sing it IMAX, singing with all that sound, the screen. Like, you're just transported into that world from the very beginning to the very end.
Starting point is 00:19:13 Everything that happens in the film just resonates with you. It's legitimately special. I loved every second of this movie. And what about you, Steve? It feels like this movie, from like a cultural standpoint, is bigger than the moment that it's given. And I'm saying that because back when the first noon came out, this launched day and date with HBO Max, nobody really got to see this in the theater. This was something that was like a flagship launch for a streaming service. And I think the impact of that story and that, like, bigness that the movie demands,
Starting point is 00:19:54 is lost, when we come to Doon 2 and we go to the biggest screen possible and we get to see a movie like this that is so intent with what it's going to show us and how its scope is going to be overwhelming. It feels like a crime that this isn't going to be a bigger cultural event. Maybe it will in time, but like this feels like it should be bigger than it is because I was absolutely gobsmacked at almost everything on the frame at every single time. things that you just don't see anymore. Like laser beams that'll cut gigantic
Starting point is 00:20:30 HR gaggers ships in half and people riding sandworms, like all of these things that you've never actually seen before. Like, you forget what a blockbuster is supposed to be and how rare it actually is. This does that at every turn. And there are things to, there are nicks to pick.
Starting point is 00:20:50 There are, like, small things that we can, like, examine, but, like, as an experience, an entire picture. This is absolutely incredible. Can I ask you all this also? Because I've seen like now, you see all the critics seeing it. Now, you know, the Normies are seeing it.
Starting point is 00:21:05 And one thing I keep seeing kind of people share is this is probably one of the first movies where I feel like this young Hollywood gets to be iconic. And that's not me saying like, yeah, like Austin Butler gets to be Elvis, all this stuff. But I'm talking about Blockbuster Cinema when Timothy goes north to the first. Fremen and you see him descend into evil when he's like silence to one of the like mothers and
Starting point is 00:21:33 he starts like doing the acting. I'm like, oh, Timothy's always been a great actor. He's been in a lot of award-winning films. But this is the first time I feel like I've seen him do the movie star thing where it's like you see him that big on screen. Same thing with Zendaya. You're like, Zendaya's been in the Spider-Moon movies. She's been in a lot of big shit. She's been in euphoria. But this was the first time I felt like her and Austin Butler, I'm like, oh, no, you're giving me the stuff that like Will Smith or Tom Cruise or all these other, all these other actors used to give me where I'm just like, oh, they're bigger than life. And the screen and the stories and making them feel that way. Is that, am I going too far? No, I think there's a moment here that people are actually missing about this in, from a larger context.
Starting point is 00:22:20 Like, movie stars are being made this year. Like, movie stars are being made in the time that we're in. like Glenn Powell, Sidney, the whole anybody but you situation. This movie, the MCU and other comic book movies and the tethering to these big characters who we've been with since we were children, obviously you guys know,
Starting point is 00:22:45 not breaking any new ground here intellectually, that puts a cap on how the actor can transcend in that role. You can't be bigger than Captain America. You can't really be bigger than Thor or Iron Man, especially once those characters are established because maybe you could argue they would be ABC characters before that. Can't be bigger than Spider-Man. You are Spider-Man.
Starting point is 00:23:08 In this situation, it's not Timothy Shalame is Paul Atreides. Paul Atreides is Timothy Shalamee. Yeah. And in the other case, it's going to be that Tom Holland is Spider-Man. Spider-Man will never be Tom Holland. It's just the way that it goes, right? So they have the opportunity to do this because we're seeing parts of them that are unexpected
Starting point is 00:23:33 that we didn't see, right? And that's what the role demands. It demands us to go someplace that we had never gone before. That's the only way to make a movie star. The only way to make a movie star is for you to look and go, wow, there has to be some wonder to it. There has to be some, oh, my God, I can't take my eye off this person. There has to be some, oh, my God, look at what they do.
Starting point is 00:23:53 just did, that type of mystery, intrig, mysteriousness, like, that's what makes a movie song. Playing against types, seeing Austin Butler do this? Right. You're like, oh, shit, okay, well, that's what makes a movie start, and that's what's changed. Something I'll say about what you were saying, Steve, I think it's very interesting.
Starting point is 00:24:12 And that's why I think the comparisons to the Empire Strikes Back are interesting. Dune is too weird to be the cultural moment that it should be. It's just too weird. Dune's been historically weird. It's just, it's, the fact that this movie is so successful and what it does is, it's just a breathtaking achievement. This is not a highly accessible movie. Not at all. But it's, it's just not, bro.
Starting point is 00:24:45 It's, this nigger is the Messiah to three different motherfuckers. Right. We normally, we normally give one Messiah. He's a Freeman Messiah. He's the Benny Jesuit. Messiah, everywhere he goes, but every, like, and so, and so, and you, I know people that have called me up and they're like, bro,
Starting point is 00:25:05 can you tell me, like, who he's supposed to be? They call him by three or four different names. We don't even know he really is the Messiah because the Bena are like making it opposite. You're like, is he actually the Messiah? He's not, no. But we're, in order to actually litigate the necessity of messias, the usefulness of messires,
Starting point is 00:25:27 and whether they're not, ramifications of messias. They have to come at it through so many different angles that you have to be on your shit. It's not used the force, Luke. It's a little bit more, it's just a little bit more complicated. It's used Luke and the
Starting point is 00:25:42 idea of the force to make the idea of heroes possible for running a plan. I personally think, the movie's going to do great business this weekend. I think it's going to be as big as it possibly can be. But Dune is very weird. But I think the miracle that both the first one and the second one and what Denny and co have achieved is the idea that, like, yeah, a guy that rides desert worms and drinks the juices. Water of life, what's it called?
Starting point is 00:26:09 Water of life, which is basically extracted from baby worms and he can see through time and his mom has a super baby inside of her. See, that's the weird part. Kind of like, making that like, hey, you want to go see that this weekend? Yeah. And it's going to be the biggest movie this year. See, that's the weird. See, riding mythical creatures, I've seen it. Danny Rise the Dragon, all of that stuff.
Starting point is 00:26:33 But when you start talking to the baby in utero and all of that stuff, that's the part where a lot of people I know have seen the movie has been like, aye, man. By the way, by the way, I'm not saying that that ruins the movie anyway, but what I'm saying is it's a very, the book itself is ambitious, incredibly ambitious. The movie is ambitious, and that might be the reason why
Starting point is 00:26:58 you don't see a whole generation of kids going, I want to be Paul Atreides, or like, you don't see a bunch of... No. Or you see the kids not dressing up as Harkin is for Halloween. I don't think, yeah, I don't think little girls are going to be like,
Starting point is 00:27:12 I want to be Chani when I grew up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, part of it is the terminology is insane. You know, you got like the Quizzax Hatteract. You got the Shihaloo. The Bedeeb. Yeah, the Bedee, right?
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Starting point is 00:29:07 Dot sweetgreen.com. Let's talk about Paul. Paul Trades. Colonizer. Young, handsome man in the desert with his mom. They're talking to an unborn baby. Oh, my God. Well, she is, and he's like going along with it.
Starting point is 00:29:26 There's some communication going on there. So I love the character of Paul. I love them in the first movie. I love the character of Paul. We've praised the movie enough to have at least five or ten minutes about what we don't like about this thing. Oh, we've got to do it. And ultimately, yes, that is to be the point.
Starting point is 00:29:53 Okay, well, that's fine. Yeah. I'm glad it's the point. because I just have to be honest about. Dune 2 is the favorite movie I've seen, the best movie I've seen in the theater in a long time. But this is the crowning achievement in white saviour movies. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:30:09 This, even, we were even in the theater, like, it's such a choice to make a lot of the other people that were talking about white, the fremen are all black and brown, and he just comes in, he's the prettiest motherfucker. If you didn't think white people were, special before you saw Dune. You are definitely going to think that they're
Starting point is 00:30:30 Or Oppenheimer in a weird way. Like, you definitely going to think they're the motherfucking shit after, brother. This is honestly jungle fever in space. I've been thinking about it for a while now. I'm like the dangers of like a pretty white man coming to town. He looks at Zendaya. He's just like, yo, boo.
Starting point is 00:30:46 Yeah, but if your uncle also thinks he's Jesus, Ben. But here's the thing, this is what's really wicked. You know what I'm saying? Shani says something at one point where she's just like, yo, I don't like my real. Like, I don't like my real fremen name because her fremen name is basically like part of the prophecy like it's your destiny
Starting point is 00:31:02 to fuck this evil white man and I'm just like dog Timmy just comes through there I honestly didn't think Timmy and Zendaya had that much chemistry it seemed like Zendaya was just like I don't know if I'm really with all this like she does that really cute thing where like if you're
Starting point is 00:31:18 if you're like in love with a girl and it's like before she kind of is and you're just like looking at her just like and she's like Stop. Stop doing that. I love it when she does that. She's like giving like a spiel about the filters or whatever. How many black women have done this?
Starting point is 00:31:37 Steve, let's stay here for a second. So tell us about what it's like when you really love a girl and you're staring at her and you're making her uncomfortable go. It's not that. No, no, you're making this out to be that like Zendaya was. uncomfortable. She was like flirting with that. No, no, I'm talking about her anymore. Okay. Okay. We're talking about her. When I've made Zendaya uncomfortable. The almond eyes, have the almond eyes made how many women have you freaked out by staring at them like this doing the whole thing?
Starting point is 00:32:10 No, don't, don't. There's like one. I've learned my lesson. I'm better, I'm better at social tact for that. What did she say? She said, stop looking at you like. No, she was just like. So you've actually been in this situation. Oh, really? Sorry, nobody at this table has like, look, girl. And she's like, No. No. This is some white boy shit, Steve. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:32:32 And I haven't taken hair samples or done any of those other things. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so I'm just, we'll just stay here because, look, we're all boys, right? I mean, we've all shot, I shot and missed. Yes, yeah. So, but like you, so you go on a day with their, what, what's the amount of staring that you've done in it? No, not staring, but just like. Steve the stare.
Starting point is 00:32:53 Steeleve the stare. Staring Steve got joint, so is this how it goes down? I think Steve Rizzes grows up. Yeah. But I could see how. It's a learning process. Every once in a, so you've learned how much staring. So what's too much staring?
Starting point is 00:33:10 I probably sustained eye contact a little too much. How long? How long? I don't know. I don't have a timer on it. Is it 30 seconds? I mean, it probably depends on the look right. Like, is it too intense or like in the eyes?
Starting point is 00:33:23 Give it to the camera. How you stare at the ladies. Give it to this. Steve, Steve, that's the same. Don't know. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Some people like Ted punch. He's got fans.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Okay, see, we're getting it all out. I want you, I need you to take, I need you to take this seriously. Right. This is a very serious thing. That camera right there. Is you, are you a Sydney Sweeney fan? Not really. Oh, you're a liar, Steve.
Starting point is 00:33:59 Oh, I forget that it is. So you don't like Sidney Sweeney. You're a liar. Neutral. I'm Sweeney neutral. I'm Sweeney neutral. You're sitting here. Sweeney, Newtry. Okay, I'm going. You see them things bouncing here like, fine. Stop fine.
Starting point is 00:34:12 I'm going. So you're not into it. I'm going. Coco Jones. You like her? Who do you like? Ruby Rose. Normani?
Starting point is 00:34:20 Ruby Rose. That's crazy. Her? Sure. Sure. Zendaya. Zendaya. Zendaya.
Starting point is 00:34:28 Yeah. All right, so Zendaya, we're in the desert. You are the Kwezats' Steve Arach. You have to convince everything. And then she's doing the thing with the filters. She is. So you just fucking killed somebody with your Chris knife. And now you'd think, okay, maybe she might be into me.
Starting point is 00:34:46 That's the camera right there. Riz up Zendaya, Steve. Go. And by the way, take it seriously, bro. Don't fucking bullshit. All right. You are the heartthrob of the midnight boys. Riz her up.
Starting point is 00:34:58 Take it away. I'll love you forever. No, no. I'm part of a house of, what? Can't talk. I can't talk. It's all in the eyes,
Starting point is 00:35:05 bro. You got that thing in your fucking nose. It's like, yeah, you got that. Exactly. It's like, you got that shit in your nose you're wearing the sick body. Steve, you're on your shit. Right.
Starting point is 00:35:15 You got the all black still suit on. You fucking, you're, uh, uh, um. You got the thing around your shit. You're on your shit. You got a little spice milan. I just killed that guy from Star Trek. Yeah. All right, let's go.
Starting point is 00:35:28 Three, two, one, look, Steve. That's not bad. That's not bad. Oh, she's not feeling it. Elaine's Princess. No! Come here. Come here.
Starting point is 00:35:38 Come here. Come here. Come here. We got to get her on the camera. No. Come here. No. Go.
Starting point is 00:35:45 Failure. We got to have her. Come through. Make eye contact. Hey, don't act like you haven't done this to black women. Like, like, Do it directly to her. Rizzer.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Give her the Riz. Okay, yes, you know. Don't, man. We got to be on. We got a new on. God damn, bro. Hey, and by the way, I won't let y'all know something.
Starting point is 00:36:05 Let me tell y'all something right now. Fuck with Steve if you want. Steve is the man in this street. No, Steve. So, while we're in Steve, I have one more question. All right.
Starting point is 00:36:16 Steve, unfortunately, you are the Caucasian of this black unit. Right. Right. If Steve, we're all hanging out. Steve comes to your house one day. Blue eyes. He's like,
Starting point is 00:36:29 all right, I'm seeing your grandmother. I talked to her. Dada-da-da-da. Your first girlfriend. I know everything that happened. Follow me. I'm the Messiah. Who's the stillgar of the Midnight Boys? Who's like fucking Steve? He's going to lead us to the
Starting point is 00:36:45 promised land. Of the Midnight Boys? Yeah. Stilgar or the Midnight Boys? I don't know. Maybe Joe. Steve is Armadie. Like who? Oh, fuck no. Are you kidding? Jomey is the last nigga. Really? Like, Jomey. Not after the last part.
Starting point is 00:36:59 I'm like, it goes to church after the most of us. Jomey's. I feel like sometimes Jomi be plotting on you. Yeah, no, he does. Yes, he is. I feel like sometimes
Starting point is 00:37:08 Jomey be trying to get rid of him. Like, we're real. Jomey is the last one. It will probably be me. You think? I mean, it definitely not going to be you and it's definitely not going to be him. It wouldn't be me either,
Starting point is 00:37:19 but it would probably be me. If I, if I pull some, like, clairvoyant shit on you, If Steve starts predicting the future, I might just be like, all right. But what is he predicting, though? See what I'm saying? Like, what, so what would see? No, it's more of like, if I was actual Paul Traitors in this group, like, I would have to, like, be able to acclimate myself like that in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
Starting point is 00:37:42 And you're just. I'll be honest with you. If I could do that. If Steve came down to Baton Rouge and was just. And all of a sudden, he was like, he had a boosty fade. and he was down there in the south and he down there, he's jigging and I'm like, I might be the one.
Starting point is 00:37:58 I mean, I would have to, and he just automatically knew how I'd do it. Yeah, if he automatically knew how I'd do it, I still wouldn't follow him anywhere. But at the same time, I would be impressed. All right. Back to the white savior thing. I think it's interesting because Paul is,
Starting point is 00:38:13 you know, end of the movie, he's terrible, right? But the one thing he does, as soon as he gets power, he leaves his black queen for a white woman. I've never seen, like, this is the most surprise I've ever seen Van. Like, Van quite... This was, like, maybe the greatest theater-going moment of my life. All right.
Starting point is 00:38:34 The job know that was going to happen? Yes. Oh, I did not know that was going to happen. Well, it's played in a very dramatic way in the movie. Yeah. Like, highly dramatic. But, like, it's kind of downplayed in both other versions of this movie. And in the books, it's more of, like, a political move.
Starting point is 00:38:53 which is ultimately what it is because he's like, okay, well, I will now marry the emperor's daughter and we will rule the Imperium. No, but here's the thing. We got to set it up. First of all, Paul's looking over at Zendaya like you're not going to bow, which I'm like, this is fucking insane, bro.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Yeah. Then, like, you all couldn't have had a little powwow before this. It couldn't have just been like, hey, let's get all the important people in a room. He does this in front of the fucking entire room. Excuse me. That's the whole fucking point. point. It's not even about that he had to
Starting point is 00:39:25 make a... He embarrassed her. He's Black Queen. What they're talking about is when this happens in a movie when he asks, I... That was genuine. I was like, yo, what the fuck is he doing? I screamed it out because it was such a fucking destructive
Starting point is 00:39:45 emotional moment. You have to think about this. Paul has just accessed all the power that he is going to have. He is essentially just one. He's won. He's killed Austin Butler's character. He is now going to ask the emperor to bend the knee. He's gotten everything.
Starting point is 00:40:04 Everyone that's supported him. The other houses are there. And essentially it's like, I have the emperor here. I have nukes. To your point, like, I get the political power of it all. But I'm just like, he still would have been the man, even if he didn't do anything. So that's my thing.
Starting point is 00:40:21 My thing is when you're just looking at, looking at this and we're not getting into the entire lore and talking about whether or not doing makes sense. Now we're just talking about it like we're talking honestly about the movie. Right. So, so my thing is for who, and this is a reason why Paul's
Starting point is 00:40:36 journey in this movie, in my opinion, is less of a hero's journey and more of a villain's journey. Because if he was the true hero, the true way to subvert the structure and the status quo of the empire
Starting point is 00:40:56 is to make Zendaya his queen. Right. That's the true way to change things. The true way to change things is to say, you know what, the Fremant haven't had any power and agency on Iraqis. I'm not just going to use the Fremant
Starting point is 00:41:09 as my army to go and wage holy war. Wage holy war. What I'm going to do is I'm going to change the lineage of the galaxy and make people who were like, Like not powerful, powerful. He doesn't do that.
Starting point is 00:41:24 As soon as he gets power, he then looks to codify that power by doing the same old thing. So there were, that in it of itself is an incredibly cynical thing to do. Like a ridiculously cynical thing to do. And I really didn't think that he would do that. Every just said, I'll love you as long as I breathe. I love you as long as I'll come be my queen and we'll have little friend and babies.
Starting point is 00:41:49 But dramatically, it's a, it makes. so much sense because you have to think in the first movie, what does Lato say to fucking Rebecca Ferguson? I should have married you. Like he's grown, like Paul's grown up where it's like Letto would probably be alive if he was actually like closer to Ferguson and that just wasn't his concubine. And even, even, uh, hmm? Why you say that? That's an interesting point. Why you say that? Because you have to think about it. If Letto is basically like, you know, you know, know what, Rebecca Ferguson, she's my queen. They have a connection that potentially might be stronger than her with the Benazerate, right? It's also teaching Paul. He's seeing that,
Starting point is 00:42:34 like, you didn't wife my mom. Like, power in this for not just the Atradis name, but to be the emperor is aligning yourself with the old ways. And I think also before, is it the emperor who says it? Like, was it the Emperor Baron who says that Leto was weak? Well, it was, the Benegeszer, the Queen Benegenerate were more like the, like, the reason that we fucked over the Atreides was because they were becoming
Starting point is 00:43:01 too moral and principled and thus less easy to control. And I think that's what Paul sees. Like, if Paul is seeing all these visions, I think what makes them an actual colonizer, what makes them an actual villain, is instead of like breaking the wheel, he is essentially
Starting point is 00:43:17 like, I'm going to keep the wheel running. it's just going to be me leading it now instead of what it should have been and that's why when he goes north that's when like it's always going to go this way because now he's the fremen are no longer of people he is trying to free the fremen are people he are trying to lead
Starting point is 00:43:36 and we get this into like this is more or less the biggest metaphor and like moral in the dune lore which is basically knowing that like Paul is not supposed to be the hero Frank Herbert like literally wrote wrote a whole other book just to make sure that we know that Paul is not the hero. He is on a hero's like journey, but ultimately that absolute power will corrupt him absolutely.
Starting point is 00:43:59 So I think, and that embraces an interesting question, right? You mentioned that this is one of the biggest white-servor movies you've ever seen. Is that the point? Did Denny make Paul so unlikable at the end of the film to illustrate, like Frank Herbert's point? where he had to write a whole book to make sure that we knew that Paul was evil. Did Denny do this on purpose? Well, yes, but I also think the genius of the story itself from Frank Herbert's perspective. And as it's told in this movie, is that his saviorism is manufactured.
Starting point is 00:44:44 It's actually not real. Yes. It's actually Paul's privilege. that makes him perceived as a savior. The Atradis family, their roots go all the way back to ancient Greece. So essentially, the movie, when I think about it,
Starting point is 00:45:03 is asking the question about whether or not we cast our own saviors with who we are safe with saving us. Like, because, and I'll tell you why I'll say that. Say that because the decision that he makes at the end, is to like kowt the power and to be a part of that and all of that stuff. But that's what he was born for.
Starting point is 00:45:24 He was born to lead. The Benid Jesuit had been trying to manufacture these these saviors, these besides, and that they've been doing all of this. All of this stuff is a power graph. So like in the real world, we're always waiting for someone to put us over power,
Starting point is 00:45:42 to put us over their proximity to wealth and untold riches and all of that. And that's truly what people like. People don't like a savior. What they really like is a martyr. They like somebody that they know will die for. It's something that we all have to do, the thing that equalizes us as human beings.
Starting point is 00:45:59 But about the time that you've had it, and then your kids have had it, and then your kids of kids have had it, we start to go, it doesn't matter how great you are. Like, you can only be so good of a Clinton. You can only be so good of a Bush. You're coming from families that are essentially
Starting point is 00:46:16 oligarchs that have been running this country, for a long time. And the fact that you exist is counterintuitive to the fact that the people have power. So by time you get to the end of this movie, the real irony of it is that Paul is too prepared. He's too prepared to lead.
Starting point is 00:46:39 He's been training his entire life for it. He's been doing political stuff, his entire life for it. They've been seating conspiracies and prophecies for it. It's, I mean, he had to go get it, but it's really been given to him. And that is the Messiah
Starting point is 00:46:58 is supposed to be chosen by the people, but he wasn't. He was, it was all manufactured. So that's the huge irony of the movie and the anticlimatic nature, and it asks the anticlimatic nature of him ascending at the end of it. I mean, but also, like, you have to think
Starting point is 00:47:13 in the first movie was so genius, is that Paul doesn't believe, any of this shit. Right. But the genius of... He's made him pure a little bit. He's very pure and it's almost like he goes to the fremen being like, I'm going to be different. I'm not going to be one of these leaders.
Starting point is 00:47:32 I'm not going to be a harkening where I come to this place. I just take, take, take, and I don't give back. And the genius of the second, part two is that you see him starting to believe his own myth. Starting to believe his own bullshit. He's quite literally drinking the Kool-Aid in this one. Yes. Yeah. Because also what's genius about that,
Starting point is 00:47:52 and what I think Denny definitely changed and added with Zendaya's character, Shawnee, is that he puts Shawnee in a unwinnable situation where he drinks the water of life knowing what's going to happen. He's on death's door. And when Zendaya has to go to save him, he's now basically been like, all right, we have been on this road. Now you're a part of my prophecy.
Starting point is 00:48:17 And this is what this woman, because Zendaya, the whole movie, she's like, I don't believe in this myth. I don't believe in messias. Messiah's come here. They're nothing but trouble. And I think the true evil thing isn't that he doesn't want to marry her. It's the fact that he knows the moment he goes north, he's forcing her hand. And this is the only thing that she can do to quote unquote save her people because what's the other option. Well, I mean, the thing is he leaves her powerless, right?
Starting point is 00:48:44 Yes. And that's what we get into the biggest change. For Shawnee's character come the middle and end of this movie because she's given a lot more agency and cynicism as to Paul's role in all of this in the beginning because in the books and in the original film, like she does not have that kind of agency. She stays his concubine after the end of this film.
Starting point is 00:49:05 And not to spoil too much of what might happen after this, but the way that this ends, she's basically done with Paul and she goes off on her own. Not in the books. not something that was at all touched upon, and which is kind of a, like, a welcome change, I think, because knowing that this terrible move and betrayal that she's had isn't fuck you, it's fuck me for believing this.
Starting point is 00:49:30 Fuck me for believing that you're different. In the first movie, the first line that we hear is, like, her saying, I wonder who our next oppressors will be. That's an entirely different outlook of me thinking, man, I stepped out of line for a second and believed your bullshit. when everybody else and a lot of other people are telling her this is the guy that's going to
Starting point is 00:49:47 free us. I was so happy for her at the end she found a different worm to ride. She got off of his worm and got a long worm. Well, it's all right. She found a different worm. I will say this guys. This is what I'll say. So there's some fucking in the movie. Oh, daddy.
Starting point is 00:50:01 Not really. Not really. I think Tom Holland will be fine. This is still a PG-13 movie, by the way. First of all, that's toxic. You think that Tom Holland, let's talk about it because people get mad when we talk about it. I mean, Timothy Shalame is the Riz King. No, I actually, I don't think he is.
Starting point is 00:50:21 So did you watch, when Rebecca Ferguson has been going, like, on her press tour? She likes Austin Butler. She likes Austin Butler and Zendaya. When, like, the interview was just like, yo, like, what do you think of Timmy? She's just like, he's a lad. I don't know if Timmy actually. Like, I don't think he has the Riz that we think he does. The reality is like, you know, he dresses like he's an enforcer for the Gambino crew.
Starting point is 00:50:46 He's also a Kid Cuddy fan, which I think is like... I love Kid Cuddy. Yeah, but a white kid Cuddy fan that looks like Timothy Shalamee is kind of like... He's about a guy named Tyler the Creator that you've never heard about. Yeah, you know. Have you seen him with Kylie? It looks weird. First of all, for the four of us to be hating on Timothy Salome is fucking insane.
Starting point is 00:51:06 He's awesome. He's killing fine. He's been fine. Let me tell you guys something here. So I thought. You guys have all been to the beach, right? You've had beach day. It's fun.
Starting point is 00:51:14 You've been to the beach on the East Coast. Have you been to the beach on the West Coast yet? Not yet. Oh, Beach days here. Beach days. Lock him to the beach. Charles is going to be great. We'll go to the beach.
Starting point is 00:51:25 We're going to take Charles to the beach. We're going to take Chuck to the beach. I'm going to get you a blow up ball. I'm going to get you a chair. I want the nice roller skates. I want to be like fucking Ken. Oh, you want to be on Venice Beach? You want to go to Venice Beach?
Starting point is 00:51:40 Oh, skating. So what we'll do, we'll do a couple of things. So we'll take you to Venice. We'll get you a nice little shift. But you never know what you're going to need. I mean, I'm not saying it's not, I'm not talking about the fence. There's thugs out there,
Starting point is 00:51:51 but you never know what's going to happen. It's going to be a bit. You need to have it on you. You're just a little, little, God damn. But so you're out on the beach. There's a lot of sand. They was fucking in the little tent in the Dune thing.
Starting point is 00:52:05 I was just wondering how they deal with the sand. Sand gets everywhere If you lay a tarp down, it's less sand, right? I'm pretty sure they know how to live in the desert Well, this is my point Freeman's sex rituals This is what they should put on HBO Max Everyone's being held back by not giving me control
Starting point is 00:52:26 Because All right, Medea I'll be honest with you, I'm definitely see I'm coming to the picture like science I have I'm to the cynical point of my life I'm everybody. I'm fucking over everyone. I'm gonna be the emperor.
Starting point is 00:52:41 I would have killed the emperor in front of his daughter. You die. I would have killed him right. I dare you do that to Christopher walking. Kiss the ring. Kiss the ring. I don't leave you a lot. I know what you did.
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Starting point is 00:53:05 Real sex. Real sex. Real sex. Iraqis. Real sex, Iraqis. But here's the thing. They don't want to leave
Starting point is 00:53:12 their moisture. You know what I'm saying? That's a big thing. Never give up. Never give up your water. Never give up your water. What are you saving the moisture for? You save it.
Starting point is 00:53:19 It's life. I know, but listen. Does spice make your little worm, like not perform well? They're fucking on spice, bruh. There's got to be some moisture.
Starting point is 00:53:29 It's a natural, like a natural... Byager? Like a natural... Like a natural... Like a natural... Wait, so wait. all the Iraqians,
Starting point is 00:53:35 all the Friaminters, all the frians are bricked up. All the time. All the time. All the time. All the time. Walking around with their Chris knives. All the time.
Starting point is 00:53:44 That spice got me going, bro. Think about them. They on that spice. They on that spice in my lawns. Ben comes back with blue eyes like crazy. My eyes are blue as shit. Oh, my God. Freak motherfuckers.
Starting point is 00:53:59 I'm thinking they're laying down in salt. The sands getting everywhere. That's probably why she left them. It's too much friction. Oh, right. God. Damn. Not in front of the Dune Bucket.
Starting point is 00:54:10 To get back to the movie, the scene where he takes, after he takes the world of life, and they're in the circle, he's in the middle of it, and he's just commanding that room and Stilgar's out there and he's like, this is my Messiah, and this is my goat, this is my God. One of the best scenes of the food. Who's the worst character in the movie? The worst? The worst. The most aggravating character in the movie.
Starting point is 00:54:35 Agravating. Oh, it has to be fucking. Dave Batista. Great performance. Amazing performance. I've never seen a motherfucker like bitch out. He's the most pussy motherfucker in the history of film. No, no feats, no nothing. Lights were too bright on Aracas. In the first
Starting point is 00:54:51 movie, they made it seem like he was the man. Yes. And he sucks at it. This motherfucker was the Falcon of Dune 2. Think about the losses he took. He got, Gurney beat him in three moves. Bro, I was ready. He was like, Ricky, when I catch you. Bro, bro, Gurney. When I catch you, Patista?
Starting point is 00:55:11 When I catch you? I was ready for some kind of fight. I thought Gurney was, I was ready for some kind of fight, bro. Yeah, Gurney was ready. Gurney was, oh, shit, you know how you... One twist, right? Like, you've been at a party before and, like, you with your boys and you're like, oh, shit, yeah, see that... Oh, we're leaving.
Starting point is 00:55:28 We got to leave. You're leaving, Steve? No, no, no. Batista had to leave. But he said leave. Dog Steve, Zeta Mollfuckus in the shi, and he's like, I'm kidding.
Starting point is 00:55:41 King of leaving parties early. King of leaving parties early. Van, Ben, Ben, what? What? What? We got to go. What? We got to go.
Starting point is 00:55:50 I am really good at leaving things when you get out of pocket. That's Brown Paul 242. He's been harassing me on AOLM like we got to go. We got to leave. He did the gritty on me in Fortnite. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:02 But he, let's count his losses, though, for real. Insurmountable. The movie starts and they're like, yo, what's going on on Rackus? And he's like, look, the Freeman are kicking our butts. And he slams his head into the table. That's not going right. They fight the Fremen. He takes a massive L there.
Starting point is 00:56:21 Loses to them. Right? Loses to them. Also, they wait. No, are we talking about in the beginning where they got everything? They got the fucking, like, laser sniper shits. And I'm like, how did y'all let these Fremen fucking, fucking, running like circles around you.
Starting point is 00:56:34 They don't know other ways of the desert. No ways in the desert. They don't know ways of the desert. It's a way game. So he loses big strategically and then of course he gets bitched out by his little brother Austin who's not even in the same fucking weight class as him.
Starting point is 00:56:48 And so at the end Kisses Feet. Man, he's running again and I'm ready I think he's going to turn around and see Gurney and it's because he already fucked up Gurney's family and gave him the scar. I think he's going to turn around. He's going to see Gurney. And it's going to be like, okay, we're going to get it popping.
Starting point is 00:57:04 And we're going to at least have 13 moves. Nope. Nope. It's bad, ba, bat. You two pieces of them. Three moves. Three moves. Three moves.
Starting point is 00:57:13 I'm like, yo, man, this guy's one of the biggest whores I've ever seen in any type of fucking movies. It's crazy. Wait, can I talk about probably, I think, my favorite performance, which is Austin Butler. And I have to ask you all quickly because, like, I feel like Austin Butler was on some real fuck Timmy time. He's just like, I'm the white boy in Hollywood, right? now because he was like from the moment i was like i can see why rebecca fergus was like yo
Starting point is 00:57:37 austin was fucking killing it so i have to ask you power ranking white boys in hollywood now okay glen powell number one awesome butler we're talking about young white boys young white boys timothy shallamee one two three who like who power like who holds the belt right now because glen fucking killing it right now you know what i'm saying he's bringing the rom-com back Timmy Timmy got to be number one, bro. You can't I'm trying to make
Starting point is 00:58:04 Hey, hey, hey, Timmy on a heater right now, bro. Timmy, Timmy is on a heater. Timmy on a heater.
Starting point is 00:58:10 Timmy on a heater. Timmy had Wonka, and Wonka went crazy and it inspired the pop-up. Butler has Elvis, though. Huh?
Starting point is 00:58:17 Elvis, Elvis was an award show, darling, but I don't think the movie was as big of a deal as what. But I think that, I think it's got to be Timi right now.
Starting point is 00:58:26 Are we talking performance only? No, we're talking about, We're talking about power because then Glenn, Glenn's on a fucking run. Glenn isn't a different, Glenn is the more accessible Hollywood store. I make him out to like a comp being like either like a Bruce Willis or a Kevin Bacon.
Starting point is 00:58:44 Really? For his day. Bigger than Kevin Bacon. Bigger than that. But like he's that kind of accessible every man type of thing. Rather than being the just unbelievably beautiful high. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:55 You know. Timmy could do A-24 and then he could do a black. Like Wonka. Glenn Powell probably won't do the A-24 types of movies. But I wouldn't be surprised if Glenn, like, Glenn, like, he has twisters coming out. You know, I don't see Timmy and no motherfucking twisters. No. Yeah, but what I'm saying, like, money-wise, I'm just like, dog, that's a movie star.
Starting point is 00:59:17 Like, Glenn can open a movie now. So can Timmy, though. That's the only thing that I'm saying. I'm saying that if you're looking at, like, intrigue, Oxen Buller, mysteriousness, this, Austin Buller might be number one. I didn't... I'll tell you this. Before this movie,
Starting point is 00:59:33 do you remember in a four-year-old version when Paul Rudd is watching the born identity and he's like, you know, I always thought that Damon was a bit of the strides sand, but in this one, he's rocking the shit. That's me and Austin Butler
Starting point is 00:59:43 in this movie. All right. Where I was like, I was convinced. I was convinced. This is the one where I was like, I was like, fuck I was a brother.
Starting point is 00:59:48 I expected him to come out being like, they took my hair, mama. Like, not, not letting the Elvis voice go. I actually have to apologize, Austin Butler. I was his biggest hater after Elvis,
Starting point is 00:59:58 because he kept doing that voice. It's like, brother, I've seen Zoe 101. I know what you sound like. Was Zoe 101? Okay, so. Britney Spears' sister had the show on Nick Lodi. Jamie Lynn Spears had a show on Nickelodeon, one of her friends,
Starting point is 01:00:14 they went to high school on a college on Pepperdine. Pepperdine's campus. So he was on the Nickelodeon show? Nickelodeon show. Zoe 101? And I'm like, okay. Y'all fucking watch that Zoe 101 shit. I was tapped in the culture.
Starting point is 01:00:27 I am 27. I was definitely a 13 when I came out. I still, I still, were you watching Ned to Classify? I was, I watched Nets to Classify.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Wait, have you, have you seen all of them TikToks where they were talking about, like they was getting freaky backstage? I was like, y'all got to fucking each other. I've seen that. They were?
Starting point is 01:00:42 It's all over my for you, Fage. It was the throat go. It was terrible. She was getting the cock sucked and all that. I've seen it. Well, why is it wrong for me to say? They like,
Starting point is 01:00:53 they're just the way you said. What is that? That's not all. Because they got the whole fucking show. That's not all it. The girl is pregnant right now. No, no, no, no, she's not. No, she's not.
Starting point is 01:01:02 That was a joke. Oh, I said that they had her. No, I did think I was just like, oh, we, damn, okay, cool. So wait. So, you watch these shows. You watched them. He was probably, you were probably 12 or 13. I guess those are my, like, saved by the bells.
Starting point is 01:01:20 Yeah. You weren't watching, like, Pete and Pete and shit like that. What the fuck is that? Wait, was that? No, he was way too old. He was. You definitely watching it. I never watched Keeney Nekele.
Starting point is 01:01:29 Keen DeKale was of my era. Because all that was my ear. Never watched it. Oh, that was great. It's a really good. I think to the point of my favorite performance, I think it has to go to Javier Bardem. He was kind of the comic relief,
Starting point is 01:01:47 which the movie doesn't need, but he brings that energy, and I love it. His character isn't to be the comic relief or even levity, but he brought Levity to how he portrayed this, and it was genuinely incredible. And the first movie, it was harder to see that that was going to be the thing with him. First movie, you don't see him very much.
Starting point is 01:02:07 It's a little funny, but he's quirky in a way that makes you think, okay, this guy is just a true believer. But if you think about it more, you really kind of get sad. Now you, yeah, now you kind of see him. Okay. Let's talk about the filmmaking really quickly here. Charles. Yes.
Starting point is 01:02:23 Deney. He is making a strong claim. Okay, let's go through his filmography. Real quick. Steve, do you have it up? So let's go, let's look at this filmography. Let's fucking go, because it's going to be great. Okay, so let's go.
Starting point is 01:02:36 We got. Austin 36. Oh, go, you read it. Okay. Let's go from the things that you've seen. Prisoners. Okay. Enemy.
Starting point is 01:02:44 Yes. Sicario. Crazy. Arrival. Yes. Blade Runner 2049. Yes. Dune part one, doom part two.
Starting point is 01:02:51 He is, he is in a zone and has, he's in a creative groove. one rung below probably Nolan at this point in terms of like spectacle directors. And I mean that and I mean that in the high thing. He makes better movies. The Nolan? Yeah. You're high. No, he does. He makes better movies. He makes better movies than Nolan. He does. All right, come on, man. All right, let's wrap it up. Midnight meter. Let's wrap it up.
Starting point is 01:03:20 I'm sorry, but he made. He makes better movies, man. Steve, Christopher Nolan makes bigger movies. And a lot of them are great. A lot of them are exceptional. I love Christopher Nolan, if I'm looking at this. Like band for band? He makes better movies. Inception? Man for band. Inception. Give him a couple more bands. Donkirk. Huh?
Starting point is 01:03:41 Come all that. Come on, bro. I'm not even the biggest Nolan fan, but come on, bro. What's the Beefing Wizards one again? To me, like... Wait a minute. Are you talking about the prestige? That's a great fucking thing. The prestige is amazing. Those are magicians. Those are magicians. That's a... So I got to go through some of the...
Starting point is 01:03:58 The prestige is one of his best. But come on, prestige is amazing, bro. It's my favorite. It's fucking incredible. Wait, the prestige is your favorite? Yeah. The prestige is your favorite?
Starting point is 01:04:07 The prestige is good, though. Come on. No. Precise is fucking fantastic. No real ten of heads on this podcast. No. Absolutely. No one of the head's here.
Starting point is 01:04:14 Like, so what I would say is when I look at these films, first of all, I don't know, bro. I think if I'm looking at this, then he's kind of got it. I think he, I think he better than Nolan.
Starting point is 01:04:26 I wouldn't say he's better than Nolan. I would say I'm looking at this. Denny keeps going like this, he will outpace. No. I'm saying I'm looking at this run of movies. I think these movies. Give me a couple more years. Give me a couple more years.
Starting point is 01:04:37 I have to get into my Denny back. If he lands the plane on this Dune trilogy, he'll have made the next one of the rings. There's no way. There's no way. I know. I would put them on the same run. I think it's a disservice to Denny. They're on the same run.
Starting point is 01:04:50 Christopher Nolan is about to sweep the fucking Oscars. Can I bring this to the table? You're a hater though, Steve. A little bit. No, no, a little bit. You're a big Nolan hater. Speak. Speak.
Starting point is 01:05:02 Say your peace. No, I've said it before. I've let my qualms about Nolan movies be known. And I think that like, I think that the problem that Nolan has is a problem that Denny has actually solved with not necessarily liking dialogue so much. And portraying emotion through either stakes, plot, and cinematography. Nolan does that well occasionally. Denny does that immaculately almost all the time. I think for me.
Starting point is 01:05:29 movie by movie I think Nolan just barely gets one in over Denny He has a lot I mean he has more movies He also has Denny is getting to a place now Where his movies are As big as big movies as Nolan's been
Starting point is 01:05:47 The Big Movie Guy, the big movie expert Since Inception really Since the Dark Night Since the dark night So he's been the big movie guy since then For a minute I think Denny's about to go on a run But if you're talking about
Starting point is 01:05:59 But if you're talking about like prisoners, Sicario, Arrival, these are fucking fantastic movies, bro. Enemy, fantastic movies, bro. Like, Blayrana 2049, like... None of these got to be as big as inception until arrival.
Starting point is 01:06:13 And that was kind of a sleeper hit and good word of mouth brought that to the table. Because it was a bit, again, it was like a bit more of a high concept sci-fi-e type of movie. Still amazing, though. So when I say better movies, what I might mean is,
Starting point is 01:06:26 and I love Nolan, but like, obviously these are huge movies. movies, but what I might mean is there are movies that I connect to more. Maybe a little bit more fair. I see that. You mentioned Nolan's moving in the Oscars. I had a prompt in here that I've actually wanted to talk about because
Starting point is 01:06:41 this was supposed to come out in November of last year and it was delayed by the sag strike. If this qualified for the Oscars and were released in November now, what do you think the Oscar race looks like with Dune in the picture? I don't think it would be as strong as we think it would be. Probably not.
Starting point is 01:06:57 Really? Yeah. I think it would get a best director, Nam. It would be a strong contender for best director. All the visual stuff, like all the technical stuff, I think it would actually sweep acting-wise. I think you get supporting for Javier Bardem and Rebecca Ferguson. I don't think Rebecca Ferguson sniffing a, or maybe she would. I think Rebecca Ferguson is the MVP of this movie.
Starting point is 01:07:20 I think she is. Maybe, maybe I definitely continue. Go ahead. Cinematography for sure. You think it goes into best picture? Oh, for sure. this. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:29 I think you're going to have... And replace anything that Niyadh's nominated for and replace it with this. Yeah. I think you're going to have strong, strong, strong. But look. But this year, if it's, this year is a week year. So Dune actually might... What you're talking about?
Starting point is 01:07:45 No, not, not, no. I'm not talking about Oppenheimer. You're talking about the next year. I'm talking about next year. Oh, yeah. Stacked year. Yeah. This, no, the, when it's going to be in its Oscar run, it might do better because it's not,
Starting point is 01:07:58 It's really weak. As the award season comes, though, they're going to be movies that pop out of nowhere. It's like, you have to see this movie towards the middle of the summer, into the summer. But as of now,
Starting point is 01:08:09 with the narrative around the movie, it's going to be such a big, huge movie. I see people on the timeline that didn't watch the first one, that they feel they have to see this movie. And that'll help its narrative. But I think it'll be more a film that gets nominated for the big filmmaking categories
Starting point is 01:08:27 and it will be a movie that gets nominated for the acting category. Will this also be the biggest movie of the year? Because Deadpool seems like... There's a lot of game left. Financially, yeah, Deadpool will be. Either Deadpool or... I mean, there's some other things coming out,
Starting point is 01:08:40 but Deadpool is R-rated, though. That's true. But I still think it has way more reach than Doom 2. Probably will. So I don't know how much... What's its tracking? Is it tracking at 160? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:53 I think it might be 170 now. It won't get a billion, though. If it hits seven, and ridiculous success. I think the last one hit six. No, the last one didn't do nearly as well. It didn't hit theaters. It wasn't theaters.
Starting point is 01:09:06 It was briefly in theaters, but it did not, but like it was a post-COVID. What did the last one do? So here's the tracking. According to the Hollywood reporter. Oh, 4 and 33. Oh, I was way off. According to the Hollywood reporter, 150 between 175, but Warner Brothers has been a little bit more cautious.
Starting point is 01:09:20 And they say 140. Zazza doesn't believe in anything, though. There was actually a perfect time to actually release it because I'm like, I don't even know what the next big movie is. Godzilla and Kong is like that's the next one. Like, come on, bro. Let's look to the future. Doom Messiah, 27.
Starting point is 01:09:39 That's a long time from now. No, I don't think because Denny, Denny already is working on another movie before Doom Messiah, I think. Yeah, and it'll come out before 2027. Doom Messiah is going to take years. I don't know. So, listen. He is writing it now, but he says he's writing it.
Starting point is 01:09:55 Han Zimmer is already like I'm working on the music. It's 2024 now. They got to finish writing it. If Denny's going to do another movie, that's going to take him at least two years. So we're probably looking at probably 2028 if they're not rushing. But then again, also, if we're going to be real, the thing that I'm worried about, who's going to fucking own Warner discovery or whatever in the next couple of years? I can't think it'll probably be me.
Starting point is 01:10:21 And when I own the company, you'll get stuff that you really want to see. Okay. Like what? Let Denny Cook for Messiah, but then you'll get your real sex. Real Sex, Aracus, Matrix, Resurrections, series. Blank check to Lachowski's for anything they want to do. Like, it's when I'm head of the studio, you'll see the stuff that you really want. Okay, you'll see an R-rated Superman movie called Superman's Rampage.
Starting point is 01:10:47 Who wants that? You want a justice? I want to, nah, nah, not, not injustice. Because that's, he has a real reason. I'm just talking about cranky Superman. Okay. Superman wakes up one morning and, like, he's just sick of it. He looks around the earth and he sees that he keeps trying to say.
Starting point is 01:11:02 What's one city that you think that Superman would want to destroy? Like, one city that he would want to destroy? I mean, like, okay, like, he's in a bad mood. What's he going for first? Mar-a-Lago. Mar-Lago? I'm just seeing, Superman just goes to Mar-Mor. Everybody wearing a red hat and gold shoes.
Starting point is 01:11:22 I'm telling you. So that's the kind of stuff I would make. That's going, I'm telling you, Superman's Rampage. Superman's Rampage is going, that's going, and then... It needs to be a team-up movie. He's got to be fighting Godzilla. So Superman goes, that would be cool too. Yeah?
Starting point is 01:11:36 Superman versus Godzilla can't fuck with Superman. You know it'd be funny. It'd been funny if in Godzilla minus one, they think that they've gotten away from Godzilla. Jesus Christ. All of a sudden, Superman comes there and starts fucking over. Like, Superman, like, he catches Godzilla's back. It's so... Superman is so...
Starting point is 01:11:52 evil when he lasers people. When he doesn't even have the respect for your life to dismember you and he just uses the range attack, that could be an evil motherfucker. That's when I stare at somebody too long. See, that's what happens.
Starting point is 01:12:08 You got a homelander thing to you. Do you guys think Doom Messiah will be the last one? It has to be, man. Probably Denny's last one. I don't think Warner Brothers is done with Dune. If they make too much money, you're going to see fucking... Oh, yeah. There is no way we can have The NC Dune.
Starting point is 01:12:24 I've been reading up on that shit where it goes. They got motherfuckers turning into worms and shit. Cinematic Duneverse. It's going to the whole fucking thing, a BETT Plus show, Niggins of Dune. Would you watch Tyler Perry's Dune? Tyler Perry's Dune. Tyler Perry's Dune would be crazy. What's the plot?
Starting point is 01:12:47 The Tyler Perry's Dube. Wait, who's Wall of Trades? In Tyler Perry's Dune? Miles Brown. or Caleb O'Glockland? It's got to be a super sexy nigga that we don't really know. Like a ridiculously sexy nigga that we don't know. Tyler Perry's Dune.
Starting point is 01:13:04 And Gabrielle Union are going to be in that bitch somewhere. No, Gabrielle Union got to be Choddy. That'd be hilarious, bro. She's a great actress. Tyler Perry's Dune would be nuts. You want to actually know what is nuts if it was Tyler Perry's Dune? I think all the Atreides should be like black, all the Harkinanin should be black, fremen should be white.
Starting point is 01:13:24 That would be great. Think about it. That would be great. I'm rooting for Paul in that movie. I'm rooting for Paul too, bro. Who would be Paul? Oh, the dude from from Ghost,
Starting point is 01:13:36 from Power Book Ghost, Tariq. He would be Paul-A-R-R-A-Rey. Michael Raney Jr. Michael Rainey-Juner is Paul-A-Tradian. Fuck out of here, no. No, Tyler Perry would cast him. Michael, yeah, Michael Rainey Jr.
Starting point is 01:13:49 Man, that's a good actor. Michael Rainey Jr., is a Trades And instead of Tyrese is Duncan Idaho Tyrese is Duncan Idaho That works Wait who's Gurney
Starting point is 01:13:58 Who's Gurney? Who's Gurney? Who's Gurney? Oh, what's his face? Terry Cruz Terry Cruz That's Gurney I like this movie
Starting point is 01:14:06 Bro, I love, bro This is why I need to give a midnight boy some Bradbro They would have to They would have to speed run To get back to the conversation They have to speed run a lot
Starting point is 01:14:15 To get to Messiah, right? Probably like tape a leak of time Like, advance the Holy War This is two years later. Yeah. I mean, but yeah, and that's the, I think that another nitpick that I would have for Dune 2
Starting point is 01:14:26 is the fact that, like, that war with the Fremen and the Harkinen's are, like, it gets a little montagey. The movie's not too concerned with time. I am as to how long things are taking. If we're nitpicking, the war part was a little, like, I was waiting. I'm like, oh, we getting some, like, fucking, you know,
Starting point is 01:14:46 return of the king type shit. I mean, we did kind of. At the end, that was a little yada, yada, yada. The siege of the emperor's ship was fucking incredible. It's a great scene. You talk about the past of time. The movie doesn't tell you, but if you look at Paul's eyes to get bluer and bluer, the laundries in the sand. So I think it does a great job of not, doesn't tell you, but you can see it.
Starting point is 01:15:09 But he don't put on any, like, muscle, which I was also kind of worried about. I was like, dog, like, come on, bro. He's kind of an every man. No, no, man. I don't. It's what. Reacher? They're like, hell yes.
Starting point is 01:15:21 Timmy has Reacher? Man, that would be great if he just like, it's like cut from Timothy Shalame with normal eyes. And then it's just Reacher with blue eyes. Yeah, dog. And they're like, yes, Mouadip. Bro, you could also do like a doomed time travel movie
Starting point is 01:15:39 where, because you know, it's 20,000 years in the future. We could do a doom time. Well, they travel back in time and they give us spice. And we just have spice. in this regular society. Did you guys do spice? Fucking right. Hell yes.
Starting point is 01:15:54 I do spice. I mean, if you're on Iraqis, you're pretty much doing spice. I can see, here's a thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm already in L.A. My soul is for sale. You know what I'm saying? I might have to do.
Starting point is 01:16:06 What? Quiet part out loud, Charles. Shit. What? Wow. I'm not taking the ditty deal at all. Seems like you're taking that bitch. I'm not.
Starting point is 01:16:16 I'm not. Yeah, it seems like he's taking that bitch. But if I could get a nice home in like Pasadena or some shit. Like, come on, bro. Before Charles. You got to get to midnight meter. Okay. We'll see laser beams out this window.
Starting point is 01:16:28 Scale of 1 to 10, ranking the films and TV shows, sacred 11 and 12 reserve, pivotal game changes. Oh, wait, wait, before you go, like,
Starting point is 01:16:36 let's actually break this down. I need help, guys. Okay. All right. I love this film. When I got out of this film, I've really, I really loved it.
Starting point is 01:16:46 Now, it can't be a 12 for me. me. It's not a game changer yet. I don't think it could be an 11. I'm on the bubble between a 9 and 10. If it's not a 10, I'm very... I want to say 10, but it's not a perfect film. It's not a perfect film.
Starting point is 01:17:03 Y'all are going to really be mad at me. No, but, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, here's a thing. I can't, I can't score a movie that high, considering what Timmy does to our Black Queen. Like, I just can't. For the culture. It's pandering. There's your tail right. There's your camera. Teddy KGB tail right there.
Starting point is 01:17:22 I got it. All right. I'm going to go 10. Dune 2. I'm going to stay 10. Okay. Where you at, man?
Starting point is 01:17:28 If you say 12, bro. Dune 2 is a 12. It's not a game changer. It's not a game changer. It is a game changer. Dog, how much is it tracking for?
Starting point is 01:17:36 It can't be a game changer, I'm talking about what it means to cinema right now. All the things that we talked about, Dune 2 is a 12 to me. How is it a game changer, though? Dude 2 is the reason we go to the movies. That's like, y'all are moving.
Starting point is 01:17:48 Post now, bro. I'm sorry, Dune Tunes 12. Do you know how many other films you've gate kept? Give me, give me example. Give me example.
Starting point is 01:17:58 John Wick, you said, couldn't be a 12th. Okay, maybe I had too much dip on my chip. But here's a situation. Whoa, here's a thing. What's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's, first of all,
Starting point is 01:18:08 a much, much smaller movie than Dune. If we're being honest. John Wick is a better movie. Than Dune 2? Yes. No. Those are two different movies. I love John Wink.
Starting point is 01:18:18 I would take John Wick over Dune 2. I don't know. Good for you. I love the take. Not me. I love to take. I love to take, not me. That's not that crazy.
Starting point is 01:18:29 John Wicks is a great movie. John Wick's a perfect movie. Dune 2's not a perfect movie. John Wick isn't a perfect movie, but it's a, it's a... I cry up in that bitch when that puppy dies. Come on. I did too. But I have to be honest and true to myself.
Starting point is 01:18:43 Y'all are bullshit, bro. I have to give a 12. It's a 12. Where are you at? 11 for me. I respect that. Just shy of perfect. I think there's some things
Starting point is 01:18:58 when my biggest flaw in my opinion is like there's a lot of emotion and like dissent in Paul's character missed when he decides to go north as to why he decides to go north because he knows what's coming for him
Starting point is 01:19:14 when he goes there and he I'm not saying it's a shoulder struggling and he's like well it looks like going, it's more of like, we could have spent a little bit more time with that decision. I think that that, like, and there's a lot of nuance that comes with a book. There's not a lot of nuance that comes with what other films would have done or chosen to do. I just think that's like a tiny thing to me that like, okay, we need to know why he starts. He just switches to Wadip from there.
Starting point is 01:19:39 But that's it for me. Still in 11. Yeah, it makes sense. I am also in 11. There's the scene where they're fighting the Harkinans and, and, you know, and, you know, and, you're, and they destroy the helicopter and Johnny's running and the helicopter crashes behind her.
Starting point is 01:19:56 Music crescendos. Oh, yeah. Dog. I know I haven't said on the podcast yet. I've been waiting for it. But that right there, that's cinema. So this is what I would say. You're looking crazy for the 12, bro.
Starting point is 01:20:10 I don't care. This is what I would say to the 12. Not an insane take. It's an insane. If there is, if you can watch a movie and then say that a movie is a 12 upon seeing it for the first time. That's possible, right? Obviously, like, in-game.
Starting point is 01:20:32 You come out of endgame and you go, oh, my God, it's a 12, right? Sure. If any war, oh, my God. 10, maybe 10, probably. Whatever. Oh, my. If you can do it, if you don't need to see whether or not kids are running around, whether or not the Doom books come back, all of that stuff.
Starting point is 01:20:50 don't, this is to me, to me, the poster child of a movie like that. It's not going to do the box office that an endgame would, but I would say that that's more because of the subject matter of the movie, how accessible the movie is. I think this movie is going to maximize the amount of fans that it gets out to see it. And I think that it is a singular achievement in filmmaking. I think it is a game changer, especially in terms of changing the game about where we are,
Starting point is 01:21:20 right now in science fiction cinema. I would agree with that. I will change the game. So I'm going with the 12. I get it. A 12, when you come and I have a movie seeing it for the first time in its first weekend, it's always going to be controversial. I think this is 12.
Starting point is 01:21:34 And it's also almost going to be super difficult for any, when we think about the Midnight Meter, it's going to be super difficult for any non-sequial to be a 12 because it's harder to gauge how much of the game that the movie changed. Deadpool might be on 12 watch. That might be on 12 watch. If that movie is fucking fantastic,
Starting point is 01:21:57 and for what it's going to do, it's, they're marketing of the movie as a game changer. If that movie is fucking fantastic, it's probably already on 12 watch if it can get there. This movie was probably too. So I think that it lived up to the hype
Starting point is 01:22:15 and then some, so I'm going with 12. And it's tracking for $170, $140 million. Moving Goal posts on Midnight Nieder, but it's okay. But guys, before we depart post credits, we have to discuss it. Black History Month. Went to go see the movie. Dan. Steve?
Starting point is 01:22:34 Steve doesn't want. You're acting like I just did you like Timmy did Sunday. So this is what happened. It was a picture. You really are not. So this is the thing. Go ahead. Go ahead.
Starting point is 01:22:44 Go ahead. This is the situation. So the whole crew went out to see the movie. What a great crew of people to be around. The list to everybody who's there. This is the list of people. Myself, all the Midnight Boys, Chris Ryan,
Starting point is 01:22:59 Orlando Dobbins, Joanna Robinson, Mallory Rubin, Sean Finnessy. We're all there. We have 10 tickets. The top row of the theaters, very nice theater.
Starting point is 01:23:10 Recliners, shout out to the Americana over there. Top row of theaters, five seats each. Bottom row is five seats. It's like back row and then second to last back row. You're acting like it's a front,
Starting point is 01:23:19 Sorry, interrupted. You're triggered. You will have time to defend yourself. You'll have time to defend yourself. You're triggered. It's okay. Because if you take this as much of a slight, then you are triggered. There you go.
Starting point is 01:23:33 See? Now the face is getting away. It's getting spicy on the rackis. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, it's okay. We'll let the people decide. So, bottom row, shakes out like this. Chris Ryan on the end. then me, then Charles, then jump.
Starting point is 01:23:53 So it's the Midnight Boys and Chris Ryan. Now we're walking up and we're deciding where everybody's going to sit. What does Steve do? Just being fair, Steve, give you a chance to defend yourself. He walks to the back row to sit with the we, which you said earlier, which is Joe and Mal. and Sean and then when Amanda got there. So we're looking around
Starting point is 01:24:23 as we're sitting there with Chris who is at this point a midnight boy because he's watching the science so Chris Ryan Poo Poo Poo I'm looking around and I'm like y'all realize that Steve has played us up here
Starting point is 01:24:38 made decision we're all looking around Steve's like Steve always does this thing where he goes okay I'm going to sit up here and he goes up there and he's sitting up there it's black history mom also did have a chance because we're kind of like moment where we're going to sit. I see Van sit next to Chris Ryan and I'm
Starting point is 01:24:55 like oh I'm gonna sit next to fucking van. When Jomey comes here, I was expect, I'm not gonna lie Steve. I was expecting for you to keep it real and be like, well of course I'm gonna sit next to fucking Charles and Jomey. But here's the thing. I don't know how many movies you've ever seen with Steve. But he always does this Jomey, true or false? Not always. Jomey Jomey Jomey. Jomey? Be real.
Starting point is 01:25:17 Okay, Jomey's already plot on me. I understand why it's so hard to be honest. He always does this. It is always us talking and then Jomi with Mal and Joe and whoever. This was Black History Month, Steve. Did you never think that you should have at least been like, I need to hang with my brothers. This is Black Power Month.
Starting point is 01:25:41 Okay, do you want to break down this interaction or all of my interactions in a movie theater? It's not about all. Because if you want to, I can do both. No, it's time to defend yourself. Do what you think will make you look at best. You've got the floor. Okay, great. All right.
Starting point is 01:25:55 So when we get there, when we get there, Chris Ryan's already sat at that end row in the front. There's only four seats available. Okay. I'm already walking in with all you guys and all that rest of the row empty. I think, okay, I'm going to take that very end. I'm like the person that likes to fill out that row. Okay. Two factored.
Starting point is 01:26:15 One, I go to the very last seat of the very first. last row. And I'm like, great. That's the end goal for where everybody else is going to sit. Who wants to come up here? You guys. What do you mean you guys? You guys is one. What do you mean you guys? I was not informed in that decision. First of all, finish.
Starting point is 01:26:33 He got there. So he got, so this is already a lie because he got there late. This big cap. So there was an open seat there that you chose not to fill. Go ahead. I was filling the end row. Second, Joanna was in from out of town. I wanted to hang out and talk to her. Fucking, bro, come on, bro.
Starting point is 01:26:52 Come on, bro. And you're acting like I'm not sitting with you at the lunch table when we're in sixth grade. I'm going to sit with you guys at more movies. Hey, this is what I'm saying. It's fine. You don't have to sit with me at the lunch table because if it goes down in the lunch,
Starting point is 01:27:05 you're not even going to help me fight. Honestly, you want to know what this is? Why are you acting like lunch tables are only places to fight? How it felt, honestly, Steve, is you walked in there, right? Yeah. The Midnight Boys, honestly, are fucking like Chani, we decide bitches.
Starting point is 01:27:19 You know what I'm saying? When the fucking princess is there, you like, I'll see y'all fucking later. Treat us like the Frerman, bro. You treat us like the Frerman. It's facts, we watch you treat us like the Frumman. It's fast, bro. It's fast.
Starting point is 01:27:32 We wouldn't love, we would not, it wouldn't be loved if we didn't talk about. You treat us like the Frumman. You was up there. You know what, Steve? I got one thing to say to you, bro. May your knife chipping shatter, Nick is. I fought well
Starting point is 01:27:49 I fought well I fought well I'll do want to say one thing about the movie before we go obviously we're fucking with see you guys it's fine he does like to be around him more than us but that's okay
Starting point is 01:28:05 the fight scenes in the movie we didn't talk about any of the action sequences let's just go real quick real quick this was some great action yeah man The scene with Austin Butler in the black and white, in the, in the gladi arena on Getty Prime,
Starting point is 01:28:24 she's getting busy, man. Getting busy. Has anybody seen Metropolis, the 1925 silent movie? Yeah, man, I was just doing that. Don't bullshit me. If you just say no. I was about to say yes, but then I've seen a different movie called Metropolis. No, what was about that?
Starting point is 01:28:39 It's one of my favorite movies because it was like in 1925. It's made by a German director guard, Fred Blanche. D.W. Griffith? Not DW Griffith. Birth of a nation? Yeah, I know that movie. Like, you know what that is, but you can't name five civil rights leaders? Steve!
Starting point is 01:29:00 I'm never living this guy. I love you so much, Steve. No, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't. That's the wine of mine. It's great. The gladiator scene reminded me of the metropolis.
Starting point is 01:29:27 That's all. Now, it's over. It's done. That's a wrap. On Monday, the House of R will give you their due part two deep time. It could be found on the House of R feed. Also on Monday, butt-mash and Ben-Forkin-Fork and Limpurke. Ben-Forkin-Lin-Berk is, returns to review Final Fantasy Center rebirth.
Starting point is 01:29:47 The next Friday, the House of R will be giving you the Character Hall of Fame for Paul and Trades. Cretz. A producer is, what I say it was? Will Steve's new name? Oh, dang. Stair and Steve, Stair and Steve. Oh, Steve, Steve, the Stair. Our producer is Steve the Stair Alman.
Starting point is 01:30:03 Jomi Dinerantz on socials. Hashtaghan. Jomey. I love that. Additional production. Prong. Fromm. Chuck, big sign.
Starting point is 01:30:13 Hide your kids. Hide your wives. Because Alman is out on the prowl and he's going to give you them eyes. All right, so we were talking about the Bradley Cooper thing where he's just like, yeah, I have my kid. I don't really know if I was fucking with. Wildest shit I've ever heard.
Starting point is 01:30:46 It was crazy. So then I was just like, we was talking about it and when I was hanging out with like black friends, white friends. And at one point I'm like, you know, I'll be real. I don't know if I'm dying for a white baby either. Black or brown baby, sure. Happens. Wait, a white baby, would I die for a white baby?
Starting point is 01:31:05 I don't know. It's not my white baby. just a random white baby. Are y'all dying for a random white baby? So you put race in front of a baby? No, no, I'm saying my mind. It's like if it's a black and brown baby, I'm immediately. If it's a white baby, I might pause.
Starting point is 01:31:19 So here's a deal. Let's do this. Let's not talk in, let's talk in actual scenarios. It's not, no hypothetical. Let's talk about actual. So this is the scenario. We are here. We are at the corner of Wilshire.
Starting point is 01:31:36 So this is Wilshire. All right. This is Wilshire right here. Okay. This is La Siena. All right. We're at the corner of Wilshire of La Siena. We're doing a real thing.
Starting point is 01:31:48 There is a woman that is walking across Charles is jamming. He's listening to Bryson Tiller. Oh, my God. I've been working. This is what I'm going to bang about you. He's listening to Bryson Tiller. And a woman is walking and a baby in a stroller rolls out into the street. Charles is here.
Starting point is 01:32:08 He sees this. There's an L.A. Metro bus coming right here. It's going. The driver is into new country. He's listening to 16 carriages by Beyonce. He's taking over his life. He's not paying attention. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:32:23 Charles sees the baby. Goes, oh, my God. I can save this baby in plenty of time so that this bus will hit this baby. That's the whole thing. The bus would kill me. The bus would kill you. Okay.
Starting point is 01:32:34 Okay. But you can save the baby. You look at the baby, you determine this race, and you go, fuck it. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to hold you. If it's a black and brown baby, I'm sprinted. If it's a white baby, I might be like, I might, I, I, I, I, I, what?
Starting point is 01:32:51 Don't bring, white babies endanger for the Charles. I would just say, I would have to think about it. I'm in for life. I'd be honest with you. I love the take. I'll be honest with you. I can't say that I agree. I love to take, though.
Starting point is 01:33:12 If y'all learned it was a white baby, you'd be like, damn, Charles went out like that. Tough. I mean, I kind of feel like you saving a baby's life would supersede. I'm not saying I wouldn't save the white baby. I would just have concerns. No, he'd be like... Well, here's the thing.
Starting point is 01:33:29 He'd be like, you'd let it have him be like, oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, wait, why are you guys getting home? Oh, I had Price and Tiller. I'm sorry. was thinking about whether he would die for his own white baby. Oh, well, that's his problem.
Starting point is 01:33:40 Yeah, that's... Y'all are some liars, bro. Here's my thing. I don't think I'm ready to die for a stranger's baby. That's what I'm saying! You know what I'm saying? Regardless of the race,
Starting point is 01:33:49 I kind of feel like, you're going to die and say this baby? I think the real lesson here is if you know you're not going to get an Oscar, you're just going to say some wild shit. Hmm.

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