The Ringer-Verse - ‘Elemental’ Reaction | Mint Edition

Episode Date: June 18, 2023

Steve, Jomi, and Jess react to the newest installment from Pixar, ‘Elemental.’ They discuss the art direction and animation of the film, where this movie ranks in the Pixar catalog, and much more. Hosts: Steve Ahlman, Jomi Adeniran, and Jessica Clemons Producer: Isaiah Blakely Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Try this. Dad, those are too hot. I love hot food. You see, he likes it. And welcome into the Ringerverse, the Ringer's Nexus podcast feed for all things fandom. And welcome back to Mint Edition. It's the once in a while podcast about all the latest fandom that you just can't live without. I'm Steve Allman, and joining me as my co-host, as always, Lord of the Means,

explainer of the Midnight Boys. He greeted me with a big fire bow. this morning. It's Joe Me a dinner on. We'd say something about those fire coals, man. Right. Hot going in. Hot going out. Hot going out. Very hot. But they're delicious.

I mean, if they're made right. Yeah, I mean, you got to get it got to get it. You don't want to go to like the not fireballs at like Ralphs or something. You want to get it from, you know, authentica. Yeah, I mean, listen, you got to get them straight from the source. Yes. Can't begin them second hand. from some jabroney.

Exactly. All right. And joining us once again, our newly minted ringer colleague, Jessica Clemens, everybody. Hello, give a round of applause. Air horns. So bring it back.

So clean. Yes. How are we doing today, Jess? I am doing great. Just coming off of that, just coming off of that dial of destiny high, coming off that elemental high. So many movies out.

I'm so high. so full of it. Oh my God. I'm so excited. Yeah, man. Don't tell our bosses. I would, I'm interested that you didn't mention the flash in there at all. Who?

Yeah, what? I'm sorry, I don't know her. I don't know her. Well, we've just had a deluge of watching movies this past week. We're coming to you live on a Sunday. Yes, he's he. But coming from the past, we're recording this on a Thursday. And we are here to talk about the latest Pixar entry, Elemental.

Mm-hmm. But before we do that, you got. some programming reminders before we begin. The Secret Invasion is coming on Wednesday. The Midnight Boys are going to be giving you their instant reactions to the season premiere of Sam Jackson in Secret Invasion on Disney Plus. It's going to be great. I think Jomey's just really taking it all in.

So Ben Mendelsohn is my guy. So I'm locked in. I'm ready to see how this goes. If it stinks, I fear there's no coming back. I've been hearing only good things. We hope. We hope so. We hope.

All hopes. It springs a turtle. And then on Friday, House of ours is going to be giving you their deep dive into the Secret Invasion premiere. And then maybe a little secret coverage from our own Jessica Clemens later on as well. Who knows what form those take. But today, we're taking a trip to Element City and giving you our reactions to Pixar's newest film, Elemental. We're also going to spoil across the Spider-averse. great um and you know one of my favorite films we're also gonna spoil your name if you guys

haven't seen out wow you also you left out jimmy neutron the movie first of all love love that you love your name oh man we don't have time to get into it but oh my god that's that's that's like that's mid edition after dark cry session i can count on like one hand how many movies it made me cry your name is dude try five times that movie is uh god and it's so wow amazing i love you joey me But let's get into it. I love that. That was so nice. Have you seen your name?

No, but I want to see you guys love each other like that today. Hold my hand when we talk about. No, I'm not doing this at you right now. Come on. It'll come. It'll come. It'll come. It'll come.

No. I can't force it. All right. Back from the break. Transport your senses with Solteichanado's limited edition perfume mist collection. At Sephora. Sprit on lush notes of rainforest orchid and crisp sea breeze with

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Our story introduces Ember, a tough, quick-witted, fiery young woman whose friendship with a fun, sappy, go-with-the-flow guy named Wade, challenges her beliefs and the world that they live in. It takes place in Element City. She's fire. He's water. There's some Earth people. There's some cloud people. There's a lot of going on for this movie. Jessica, Jomi, what did you think of Pixar's Elemental? I'm a big fan, but I also think I am very biased because I love all Pixar movies, and I'm that person like cries in every single one, and I cried four times, and I was sitting next to Jomey and I was trying to make sure he didn't see me crying. Did you notice I was crying?

I did know what's your crying because every time Wade was putting the moves on Ember, I was like, you just like me for real. Oh my God. Yeah. Like he just like me. Swing and a miss. He just like, Swing and a miss.

Wade, Wade seen a woman who was way out of his league and had no business being with him. And he was like, I'm going to make this happen. I was like, bro, he just like me. Mm-hmm. He just like me.

If you see me on the streets with a woman, I don't deserve mind your business. Thank you. As for me, love this movie. I didn't really know what to expect coming into it. I was just like, you know,

another Pixar joint. We're going to chop it up. It's going to be, you know, it's going to have solid quality. I'm not. going to hate myself for coming and watch it. It's going to be kind of emotional. Cool. Keep it pushing.

But by the middle of it, I was like, oh, my gosh, this is something incredible. By the end, I was like, I love this movie. This was awesome. This, like, really brought everything you would expect it more to a Pixar film. I loved every second. We talked about this briefly, and we might get into this, so stop me if we do. But we talked about how, like, the trailer did not give enough

for what this movie was do. And our whole thing was, like, we need people to go see this. We need people to go see this. Please go see this. if you're listening, go, like, please. Go see it. I hope you've already seen it if you're listening to the podcast.

Right. They're like, you know what? I'm going to look up this podcast that spoils the entire movie. Before we spoil the whole thing, we'll just say, pause it right now. Go see it. Come back to us. 100%. Steve, what did you think of the movie?

I liked it. And Jomey's going to start to fight me right now. Very pointed. No, yeah, no, it's very pointed. Because I'm ready for some contention here. No, I genuinely did like this movie a lot. I think that this was a wonderfully, like, cute and beautiful story with incredible animation, beautiful art direction and a lot of great music that I genuinely was, like, surprised by.

I think that while I wouldn't put it in the highest caliber of Pixar films, I think this is a great story that anybody can get into. And the lessons were abound in this one. I think that we can get into a little bit later as to what I think makes this a little bit more different from Pixar's earlier fare, but again, in this current era, I think this is a great Pixar film and it's really, really good. Jomey, what do you got to say to me? I mean, we'll get to your more specific nitpics later because I, again, I was left this movie going, man, does it get better than this? It does, obviously. Toy Story 2 Incredibles,

they got some like real like heavy haters. But this one, when you, when you, Honestly, when you watch anything about it, especially of Pixar's recent history, this is probably the best one since Incredibles 2. Well, yeah, right? You know? What was between outer worlds? No, Outer Worlds isn't even Pixar, right?

It's just normal Disney. Stranger Worlds, I don't know. Strange World is Disney. I'm going to get back to the right. Soul, Inside Out, or Turning Red. Oh, yeah. Turning Red is pretty good. Well, we'll put, we'll put it in the,

in the echelons of the rest of the rest of, of the Pixar canon in a minute later on in today's pod because I think that once we re-examine like it's easy to compare a lot of the other Pixar films to each other but I think that it has it's missing one sort of element

that I think might be yeah yeah fine pun runs baby mint edition your home I've always kind of wanted to see something like this from Pixar and by this I mean like a bit more of an evolved and complex lesson with what this movie is trying to say.

And I think it does accomplish this, but I just think it does it in a way that Pixar isn't exactly known for. And I think that that would only detract from it a little bit. It still doesn't make any less good of a movie. I just think that it might make it a little bit less of a good Pixar movie. Okay. Okay. So I see what you're saying. I'm again, I'm cherry picking.

a tiny bit, but again, we're only picking Knits on this, but that's, again, still a great time, still a great movie. What I wanted to ask you next time is Pixar is known for its great arc direction, its animation. What do you think about the look of this film all around and do you think it ranks with some of the better

looking Pixar movies out there? Yes. I, you know, they really do a really good job of letting know like the elements are so different and so unique to what they do and how they operate. Like when

Ember goes to Wade's house and she has to like float on a chair and they have to like put a thing under her because their whole place is made of water. Right. And when they're on the train and the air people can float up

to be at the top of the train and everybody else is at the bottom. Like the world is built in a way that lets you know like, hey, these things can do different things and it's created in a way that lets you know like, okay,

They've put so much down to this. And they've, like, literally plot it out, like, every other thing. Like, when she, you know, what takes the oil, puts it on the floor, it becomes, like, this big wall. And the way it's like, sorry, there's, like, a little, you know, little, like, drain right there. And it just goes right through it. You know, I'm like, this is, like, and this is, like, inventive thing. Like, I like this. It is those fun visual gags that I think Pixar really excels at.

I think for the sake of the fact that these people are made of elements, fire, earth, air and water. I feel like at some points they were playing a little wild and loose with the physics of how those interact a little bit. Look here. But again, but again.

So a fantasy movie? Yes, thank you. I'm not gonna talk about the fact that like I think the water should have boiled a little faster. Like that's not what I'm going about here. But the only part that got me that I was like and is fantasy, so fantasy that I was like,

when are they just going to realize that them together and like dirt and earth will just make an island? Why don't they just use an island to cover this up instead of glass? Again, I think we can get into the politics of, you know, who's getting the short end of the stick of the element people here. But let's get into like, you know, the main story, plot and, like, lesson that comes from this. So the movie touts a great story and an amazing lesson about immigrant families and the struggles of acceptance and, like, city politics, weirdly enough. That is true. Do you think that the movie kind of accomplished this well?

Because a lot of the movie has to deal with, you know, the struggles of like generational guilt from immigrant parents to, you know, nationalized kids. Ember is a child of immigrants who came to the element city equivalent of Ellis Island, changed their names, opened up a snack shop in the neighborhood of the fire people. And it's her kind of dealing with the idea of finding a bit of identity in Element City, not wanting to take over her father's shop or thinking that that's what she wants because that's what the family wants. Do you think that this was a well-p portrayed aspect of this? And do you think the dynamics with her and Wade were well-illustrated? I say, yes.

Short answer, yes, long story, no. But it's only because I'm like, this isn't my story. So I can't really justify my input to this. I'm genuinely like, I think it was a good way of showing it, especially to children, of being like, showing it visually, this is what happens to a lot of families. This is where they stem from. This is how important their culture and their traditions are. But it, like, I wanted it. I think they did a good job with what they were given, especially because it's a Pixar movie.

It's a child's film. They have to like make sure it translates not only to like, yes, adults, but the babies to children. And visually, I think it was really good doing it with elements, something that was. we all know. We all know. And I think they did a good job at it. But I also am like, it's not my story. And if it was a story that did was culturally identifying for me, I probably have maybe notes that are positive or negative.

Not saying that I do. Not saying I do. I think it did a good job. But it also is not my story to like critique. So it kind of is mine. I was born in Nigeria. and my parents brought me and my sister over when we were we little babies. And this movie, I mean, there's a lot of good, does a lot of things well.

But I could really, you know, I, not that I saw myself at Ember because I'm not the eldest daughter, but like, there's a level of your parents, you know, brought you over to live a better life. Like, there's a level of trying to pay them back to them in terms of what you want to do. and how do you want to, how do you want to do it, right? She has, her thing is to open to, to take over the store from her dad. Her dad's obviously not in the best of shape.

He's a little older, you know, and he kind of, he did kind of remind me of my dad because my dad, there's no, like, fire, right? There's no eternal fire.

My dad is always just like, you know, trying, like telling stories and being very like, look, man, I'm not going to be here one day, you know, so I need you guys,

to continue to, you know, to be together and, like, you know, build legacy and things like that. And so I'm watching a movie and I'm seeing her, like, go through the stages of being like, yeah, like, I do want to do the story. I do want to do this story, but she can't. And it's because, like, a lot of, you know, takes some time to realize as an immigrant kid, like, maybe what your parents want for you is not what you want, you know. And so it's tough. Like, I know having those conversations.

is tough. You know, when I told my parents I wanted to get into social media, they were like, oh, that's really funny. Cool. But you get a real job. You know?

And it wasn't until I got this job. And, you know, I started doing it, you know, well, they're like, oh, cool. Hey, man. Deal thing, player. You know what I mean? Like, go crazy.

And so I felt that aspect, you know, of them coming, like the movie starts with them coming over and moving the element elemental city and building a life and then walking ember through like hey we want you to follow in our footsteps you know that stuff resonated through with me and then throughout the movie just they're closest as a family like that's the kind of stuff that I was like damn I feel you sister I she and me too these and that's I changed my mind this movie's a 10 out of 10

now for Jomi's story I mean I'm just saying like I mean if like again like it's there's points where you know it's it's hard to reach but I can't imagine any person No, of course. Like first generation or anybody with immigrant background not watching this woman and be like, bruh, I feel

you, player. That's wonderful. Like it's another level, which I guess, yeah, it's not accessible to everybody. But me watching it, I was like, me too.

These stories, and these are why these stories are so important. And that's why I'm like, I put it so high in my bracket because I'm like, these stories need to be told. It's really important

that children get to see stuff that they see in themselves and resonate with. It's like a part of just becoming an adult. is like a lot of our childhood, like our adulthood stems from our childhood. And if we don't get to see ourselves, even in the most popular form of media, it's, it, it just makes for an unfair advantage in like these children's stories.

And so I personally am like so obsessed with this movie because it is a story that can speak to a bunch of first. Like, oh my God. No, I'm not going to start crying. I'm not going to start crying. But it is, oh my God, it's just so important. No, it's wonderful. And I truly do agree. And I love the fact that this movie exists for that reason, even so.

And as much as I might not have seen my story in somebody like Ember, I might have even seen my story in somebody like Wade. Yeah. Where, you know, he's a person who's like very in touch with his own autonomy and very in touch with his own emotions and his needs and wants for himself. and when it's pushed up against somebody who is faced with the broader picture of what their family puts on them or what the needs of everybody in their family bring to the table, that is a bit of a bad mixture for him. And he is trying to just, in his own sort of arrogance or ignorance, it says, no, you can be your own person. You can be who you want because in the end of it is like what you about what you want. And while he is right, there is a balance towards that. Crazy privilege.

Crazy privilege. Which again is also discussed. Like the most emotional and heavy part of the scene or of this movie is a point where, you know, we think that, you know, Amber and Wade are pretty much going to break up. Yeah. Because she doesn't have the luxury or the privilege to not worry about her family. family to be her own person. Yeah, that's exactly it.

Like, again, like, I'm sure, like, everybody has this thing where your parents want you do one thing and you feel like, no, I'm going to do my own thing. Like what? Like, like, my house, nah, I'm going to do my own thing, right? Nah, I'm going to do me. Yeah, exactly. But as an immigrant, as an immigrant child, like, your parents sacrifice so much to give you better life.

You feel like you owe it to them to, you know, do what they want you to do. You know, it's kind of, that's what Ember's battling. It's like, yeah, she's. She wants to go to the Glass Conservatory and learn to do that. But because her parents gave up so much, you know, they tell the story about how they left the, they left Fire Island and his dad didn't bow. But they knew that at the end of the day, it was going to do, make things better for Ember, make things better for them down the line. They gave up so much. They gave up everything for her.

Why should she not return the favor with her dream? for them. That's like something any immigrant kid knows and it's just like a different level of oh damn. And that's a wonderful story to be told and I'm very appreciative

for this movie to do that. I am, I wanted to be known that I am crying because I love this movie. That these tears are rolling down my face because I love this movie because I love a movie that oh my God

that talks so much and pays attention to diversity but don't don't let it sway any of you guys I I ain't no bitch well like Wayne right now you're in touch with your with your emotions Oh I am I am Wade

No dude I ain't Wade I ain't Wade I'm I'm talking about You're not Wade I want to be the club boss I want to be the You're not Wade actually Well while we could Look here a piece of me is Wade A piece of me specifically is Wade

All right Well we could all identify with most A lot of characters but is there anybody else else in this movie that you personally felt like you're like, oh, I see myself in that. I'm going to tell you who I did. The little kid hanging out at the store, just pulling out little flowers from his armpits.

Annoying her. Yeah. Pulling the flower out of my armpits. Yep. That was funny. Yeah, I said, he's just like me for real. Yeah, like I said, Wade was my boy. I seen Wade, he was like, he pulled up into the basement and he's a, you know, girl, he was like, hey man, she

kind of, she kind of hot. What's up? What's going on? like, what about, what about us? They, like, they finished the, the, the glass thing or the sand thing. They're like, cool, we did it. Hey, man, you're trying to, try to see a movie sometime, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know you said we shouldn't really see each other, but like, I'm kind of, you know, I'm kind of feeling with you. And she was like, nah, but she showed up anyway, you know what I'm saying?

So, like, I kind of, I see myself. I was like, hey, he just like me. You miss the key point of that part where when he was like, we don't have to go out of dinner or anything, but we could do some pruning. So. After they had just seen. Yeah. So he's just basically like, we can just have sex.

Is that you? Is that you? Pretty aggressive. Pretty straightforward. And to know, and Jess, we talked about this, for Wade to know what pruning is. You might have been around

with some earth girls, too. Jomi, stop him. I don't know my man, Wade was out, so I like that player. Hey, listen, water and her mix real well. He gets down. Wade's had sex before.

We all know this. No, yeah, 100%. He's a crier, though. I don't know, man. That'll put you off. I don't know. He might be too sensitive. Yeah.

I love him. Right, too sensitive. Too sensitive? No, no, a problem. For you? During, sure. After? During.

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. What part? Wait, wait, what do you mean by sensitive? Sensit.

No, manches. The plots got lost. Speaking of sensitive, though. And this is like, One of the things I love about this movie, because it gets a lot of things right. I mean, talk about the immigrant story, but this, and I, and I'm not even being hyperbolic, this is probably one of the best on-screen romances we've seen in a long time. It's, all right.

And this is, and this is my, and this is my really want to, like, hammer home here. And this actually, it's my biggest critique of the movie while also it being its best strength. You're going to say something stupid right now. No, no, no, no, I mean, I mean, probably. I'm not going to put it past me. Let me hear it. I'm not going to put it past me. I think that the best thing that this movie has going for it,

while the lesson in all of this is great, Pixar has been known for its sublime animation in art direction, and it's used that to its advantage, on the most part, in its legacy, as the main deliverer of its story and its messages and all of its catharsis. And what I saw in this movie was a lot more telling, rather than showing on the part of Pixar. While all of that was told very well in the form of like a lot more complex

and on the nose dialogue, I didn't see as many visual metaphors that Pixar is known for that illustrate those complex emotions very simply. And it's what's made Pixar a very good vehicle for children and adults to see these stories. Granted, these stories are,

this is quite a complex. one, needing to, like, I'm not saying that this needs to be a silent film when, you know, a fire girl and a water boy touch, and then you're supposed to understand everything that comes with it. But I feel like we didn't see that many things because there was such a beautiful moments of them trying to touch or trying to connect. And those visual moments with them were sublime and beautiful. But there are also equal as many parts, if not more parts of them, just kind of talking about it and saying it. And while those, scenes were very good. I feel like the strength of Pixar is in those great sublime visual moments. So here's a thing, right? I hear you, okay? But I don't, I'm not listening to you,

but I'm not hearing you. I hear you, but I ain't listening. So check this out. I think, I understand what you're saying. The thing is this is such a complex and complicated topic, right? You can't leave anything out to the imagination. Exactly.

Like, that's just not how that goes. That is true. It's not, it's not toys being lost. It's not, robots falling in love. Like literally. It's not a fish trying to find a son. It's like the litter is a scene where they go to a museum and there's like no fire.

Yeah, literally. That's like some. There's a sign. That's as Jim Crow racism right there. You can't. Yeah. If you're showing that, you got to explain that. You know what I'm saying?

You can't just leave that up to the imagination so people can go and make their own decisions about what happened. Now you have to be explicit. Right. And how you do that is by, hey, look, player, the life that me and you live is not the same. Like you have to say that so people understand that so that you get the message right. There's no misconstruing. There's no misunderstanding.

Sure. There's no like think pieces about, well, what was this movie talking about? Nah, we put it directly there for you. So you understand where we're coming from, what we're trying to push. You can't leave that up to the imagination because then things get misconstrued. Especially when we're dealing with topics like this. It's very, it's very hard to be able to be. able to leave things up to imagine it. You know how people watch

things. People like, sure, sure. There can be bad face interpretations all the time. Exactly. Now you avoid all of this. And this is like a Pixar film. They don't want no smoke. You know what I'm saying? I mean, well, but fire and water. If this not, Jesus Christ. Fun runs, baby. Pun runs. All right, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Our June, Arjuna cut is, Mike. When when people look back at this and people watch it, you know, in the theater at home, you want to be able to take the message away that that you want to get out of it or that you that the Peter saw him want to get out of it. There's no confusion.

There won't be any like, well, what did they really mean? They didn't really say it. Nah, they say it explicitly. So you know exactly what they mean. I think that for a movie of like this heavy, you have to do that. You can't just leave it up for the individual person. I echo that completely.

I have nothing else to say on that. 100%. Easy. 100%. And that's very, very well put. And I think that if this is a more broader evolution of the stories that Pixar wants to tell, and that's the type of approach that they take with it, I welcome it because that allows for a lot more stories. But I think that this is the first time that I really noticed that it was a lot more dialogue-heavy,

more concept-heavy, and more overtly explaining to us what the message of the film is. I'll never detract from it because overall, this is a wonderful message. I think Pixar, it may be also that Pixar is now just going this direction of more dialogue-centric movies instead of like what we saw earlier with like Wally and stuff. So it could just be just the direction in which Pixar is going. They always have to innovate. I mean, Luca did just as much talking stuff and trying to explain it as much as they can. And then I guess that one got misconstrued a little bit, misconstrued in a good way. That's true.

I think Luca's a very good gay film. Of course. It's perfect. It's perfect as a gay movie. and I don't care what the director says about gay boy love and I love it. Not for me to say. Do, is there any

any Pixar film that comes to mind that kind of has that balance, that has that illustration of both like a high concept or a strong family concept that is both visually and like dialogue heavy enough

to usher it in because like if this, if it is, this film, if it is elemental, then great. But is there anything else that comes to mind that kind of like puts this in the same strata as elemental? Well, it doesn't suck. I don't mean to say sex.

I mean, like, I think elemental is kind of in its own category because I don't, like, politically also just being aware. I don't think Pixar's really done a lot of movies that are this driven, right? Because I'm thinking of like, Wally, I guess, did kind of a good job of that because even the humans when they're. dialogue, they're starting to recognize, like, oh, we're the problem. Yes. We did this.

And I think that was like a good take on that situation. But like, Monsters Inc? No? By Nimo? Not really? No. I mean, it's because it's always been like subtext. You know, you have to look.

This is the text. Yeah, it's always been subtext. You look at it. You watch it. And then you go, oh, that was an allegory for this or that was a metaphor for that. This movie is like, yeah, sure, it's a metaphor, but they're also like, like, Like, again, racism exists, you know, and things like that. Yeah, like they don't, you know, hide it under, you know,

monsters or robots or toys. They, you know, tie it with elements. And but it's very blatant and very in your face about it, which, again, is new. It's a new turn. But I welcome it. Jomey, you are so smart. I mean, I knew this.

I knew this. But, like, oh, my God. You are saying. He's the exclater for a reason. I wish you could take everything I've said out of this. Oh, well, we can't. And just have Jomey. That's a lot of work for Isaiah.

Isaiah doesn't work on Fridays or Saturdays. Like John Wick said, no one is that good. No one's that good. You know. Exactly. Echoing everything Jomey said again. While ignorance was a villain in this film, I think another villain in this film was poor city planning.

And be like in an elemental city. So that's like the one thing I will say about this movie that I was like had a question about. I thought we're going to go like this atopio route where like somebody was like doing it. So okay. Same same. I was like who's behind the voice? Same same same. Yeah.

What was the? Same same. Like was there a corrupt mayor was was. Nope. Just construction workers. Was Gail that hated Wade? Was Gail taking kickbacks from I don't know like some I don't know, like some, I don't know, construction workers or whatever? Construction workers that hated Wade, which I did.

I was like. Y'all, an entire city is about to get like pummeled by water and you're just like, I ain't working on this. Because I hate this guy over here. Right. Well, again, another part of that ignorance, it's really only going to affect the fire people. Oh. Yeah, I mean, that's also part of it. But I thought like it was like, I don't say like a big conspiracy, but because the movie had like so much other heavy stuff to do with.

But I was like, interestingly, so the water, so the ships come, it fills up that thing. Like, why did it break? Why does nobody really care? Is it just because it's the fire people? Like, this is just completely been neglected for years and years. At the end when they flooded, it was only one. That is, okay, so that must be the reason. They were like, it's not affecting us.

Yeah. That has to be the reason. See, you know, we talked that through? And now I'm looking at the movie. I'm like, yeah. It's still about racism. It's still about the core things the movie was about. I love it.

Yes. Not affecting your neighborhood. So what does he care? That's why. Because I was, I remember that was the, and it wasn't like a bad takeaway. I just kept being like the entire time I kept being like, this make, like, why the city needs to fix this issue. It's not just the broken door. It's the fact that the water's going over it.

And then you guys are literally like, oh, a dam. There's a crack in the dam. We're not going to fix it. It's like, no, no, this is an issue you guys need to fix. And the fact that the B plot of this entire movie is just being like, okay, well, we need permits and we don't know how to fix a flood. What? Yeah. What are you talking about?

I think, yeah, I think we, I think what we might. out of the mist or like what we're just to understand it's like, A, it only affected the fire people and B, they didn't really mess away like that. So like, we're not really going to do all this, bro. That's extra work. The leak happens. It's only going to affect fire people. Let's keep it pushing.

And again, it speaks to kind of what the movie is trying to tell us. It's like, hey, man, sometimes these people you overlook, they get shafted because of one leak in a freaking, in a basement. and now the whole freaking whole neighborhood's going to get flooded. I want to talk about the earth people real quick. I feel like they got the short end of the stick in this movie. This is why I'm talking about

because we had a argument. We had a couple arguments actually about the race of some of these characters. All right. It's time to cut right now. We're treading very carefully right now. You are tread.

Technically you got a trade. Yes, yes, I will. So I think because Peter Sawn, this is like based on his life. I'm pretty sure the fire people are of Asian descent. And I think that's pretty clear in the film. They are coded.

Coded very Asian. I am of the belief. And this is not like a really, it's not really belief. This is actually like just facts. And for some reason, Jess doesn't understand. Wade is a white man.

Wade is from the mountain of caucus. Right? He descended from those mountains. and, you know, infiltrated, you know, Europe. That's funny. I think Wade is from Michigan. Scandinavia. He's from Flint.

Now, Jess, okay? What you were talking about, like, the rock guys getting the shredding stick, those are black folks. No, the clouds are black folks. I'll let you slide. The clouds are black folks. No way. But genuinely, nah, nah, nah, the earth are people. First of all, we didn't even get to see the earth people.

All we got to see was them pruning and the guy that worked in the base. And with the little boy. Oh, and the little boy. That's a brother. Okay, I'm not trying to be this person. Not trying to be this person. Not trying to be this person. I'm going to be this person for a minute.

Maybe they didn't code like code. How do I say this? Lock it. I think. This whole segment is getting cut. You see how hard? You see how hard? No, no, no.

I think we're saying that it's so black and white, but we already know that the world isn't black and white. We know people, there's biracial, there's interracial people. And I think that's what Wade is. And I keep saying, this because we are... I think Wade is... I think Wade's mom is white.

I think Wade's mom's brother is also white, but I think Wade's dad was black. And we see his cousin that is clearly a black lesbian woman and we're just ignoring that. You keep coming with these facts of the things he says. And I was like, I think there's people that can still be just so privileged in this water world that they don't see what they're doing as a problem, which is what Wade has been doing.

Let me say something. You know what I'm saying? It movie don't really work because if you tell black man, you know, you don't know what life is like, bro. You don't know how it's been in there. She did. She did. That's crazy.

She did. I think she did because she's not, she doesn't see those people. She doesn't recognize those people. That's nuts. She doesn't recognize these people. Nah. She doesn't recognize what happens with these people. They never talk to the water people.

They never, they know that the, he even kicks the water people out of the store. It says no splashing. That is a, they say no splashing. That is a white man. You see the kids, the kids go up there down to fire town, start messing around. That's white people stuff. Black people don't be out here. Well, we do be wild.

Yeah. But that's like going out, vandalizing. That's why I'm saying. I think it's, I think there's a world in which this, I think there is a world in which these people are biracial. And we keep, I think we're putting them in the box that they,

you are only black. You are 100% black or you are 100% this. And I'm like, nah, I think these people are mixed. But I think also the fact is, I'm sorry, you know who had that same clownish behavior? John Boyega and Star Wars. the exact same way.

Okay. I mean, it's cast of a black man. So I'm literally like, I think they wrote the story for Ember. They didn't really know how to write and code for Wade's people. Wade's people. Wade's, white people?

Yeah, nice. Wade's folks. Look, when the live action element will come out. It's going to be that actor who is what again? Sorry. What's the, is he white? He is not.

Okay. So, so you know why they cast him, right? Because he's a black man? I'm reading this, bro. I'm reading this directly from what Peter, Peter Sons said. He said he cat, like, it was his role in the 19, or 19, 2019 miniseries, O Jerome, no, and his ability to cry that went over the director.

So then. He can cry. So then the cousins that are black, why they voice cast the black people for him. Listen, look, look, listen, that's a white man doing white man things. It's really okay. Agree to disagree. It doesn't work if he's not white, though. It does work.

I think it still works. I think our story has to put him as a white man, or we're trying to make him be a white man, and he doesn't have to be. I'm a black girl that grew up in Olympia, Washington. I had the exact same situation a lot of times. Like, when you're raised around that shitty, like, not shittiness, but when you're raised around that privilege and you're not recognizing the world outside of you until you get there, sometimes shit happens.

Shit slips. And so that's why I'm like, that's the only reason why I think Wade is also black. He got how many opportunities and how many jobs, you know what I'm saying? One? The home and the black folk, man. One? He got one. Well, he was, no, because he gets in the basement.

He's like, I can't lose this job, man. I lost so many other jobs. I'm like, bro, you must have people. You must have connections. I wouldn't like that for me. Or you just keep a blind. Oh, you just keep a blind. Nigger, what can you?

Come on, Jess, man. You know, niggas don't be getting jobs like that. That thing is, we're putting them in a goddamn box again. And I ain't stand in this anymore. I ain't. I can't do this. Look, I'm taking my headphones off. I can't do this.

I can't do this, Steve. I'm leaving. Grand opening, grand closing. Let me tell you, it's been great to not participate in this conversation. As I exit this room right now, Studio 7, I ain't ever coming back. No, I think, I think, the thing is, I hear what you are saying, though. I hear what everyone is saying. And I, and that's the thing that I'm like, I can take that in.

I can take those facts, and I can take it in. And I'm, but I'm still standing with, I, I just have to believe. And maybe I'll tweet out Peterson. Peterson will be I come. I can text Leah. You text Leah She'll be like Look, Jess

Come on Man, what's going on? She's going to be like I listen to the podcast Joe And lucky Jomey I hate to be

to what to tell you I hate to me What to tell you And I block her Delete I don't my phone away I wish I wish it wasn't me

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My. Okay, sorry. Sorry, Steve. That was so fun. Keep going. I'm really glad Steve had nothing to say, and we don't have to cut anything out of that Steve said. So glad. In that section. I'm so glad that I completely behaved myself. We never edited this at all. I completely behaved myself and nothing else was out of pocket at all. I'm really glad that happened. Yeah. Next question. Next question. Next question. Next question. For adults, With adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Trimphia offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start. Tramphia is administered as injections under the skin or infusions through a vein every four weeks, followed by injections under the skin every four or eight weeks.

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We get a lot of Wade's story. do you think that the story was balanced a lot? Do we feel like we had maybe either too many or not enough flashbacks or backstory with Amber's parents? Because a lot of the emotional weight that comes with her feeling guilty about wanting to go to Glass Factory

to wanting to forge her own path is based on the story and the, you know, development that her parents came from this country or came from the Fire Nation to Element City. do you feel like that was a bit too much? Do you feel like that's attracted from her story?

Is that the point? Jess, what do you think is probably the biggest takeaway from all of the flashbacks with the parents? Well, I think that it was just to show us, but I do think a lot of the flashbacks that came from the parents. I was like, oh, I think they're just visually showing this to us. But I did think, like, it was a lot of times

we went to the flashbacks. We kind of got like three. And I was like, I... It's like, I understand showing it visually, but I was like, I think... Our focus is of Ember and how like Ember's struggling with it. And I guess it wasn't like, I think we just needed one flashback. But I might be wrong.

I might be wrong. I think we did visit the family, the parents story a lot. That made me also feel like we were going to visit like Wade or even the cloud woman who's like my dad passed away. I thought we'd visit theirs too. I maybe got too much family. Everybody's just got their family stories that they got to like dump on us all. I mean, listen, everybody's got generational trauma. You know what I mean?

Oh, Nate. It's really, they showed us embers. And I think her parents were, you know, integral to the story. You know, like, we go, we start with them coming to Element City and settling in and figuring things out. It was like, what, the first, like 15, 20 minutes in the movie, right? Yeah. And then we go back to what happened, why they had to leave in the first place. And then we go to the scene with the bow.

You know, I think all of that is important because, you know, I, again, you got to, you know, when you tell your story, you don't. set a kid down and be like at, you know, four or five years old and it was like, here's what happened. Here's why we left the country. Like, I don't know about you guys. I don't know how your parents go. But there's, there's parent lore you learned later in life that they weren't, they didn't tell you when you were six.

They tell you, you know, they tell you somebody's six, oh, we left because so and so. Then at 12, it's like, oh, we left because of this and this reason. And then you turn to a dog and like, yeah, we just hated it. I, we almost died. So we had to leave. That is true. And I didn't think about that. Also, my family's like lore is like, we're still trying to figure out.

who took my grandpa's wallet when he was drunk. Yeah. How long ago was this? This was like in the 80s. And we're still to this day. I love this was like a month ago. No,

no, no, no, no. They were all young. I have 13 aunts and uncles and we're still trying to figure out which one of them took the wallet and to this day. Oh, so we know that it was in the family. Oh, it always stays in the family.

Okay. We always steal. Keep it. Keep it. Of course. And my one only question to that, Jomey, was do you think that we couldn't have seen.

Like, I understand, like, yeah, like, they explain it. But, like, I think there's some stories where they do explain at the top. We either see it visually really quick. Like, just hit them leaving onto the boat. Do you think we could have just dealt with that or we should have saw the bowing that happened? I mean, I think you could have seen it all and then, like, because it would have been like a little, well, I guess we could have understood it. But then when they go back, they would have to flashback anyway in the movie. We're talking about it.

I think a slight pushback only being that this is Ember's story. and knowing that Ember wasn't around for that part of her parents' life, she is inherently disconnected from that in some way. And that is why it is literally not her story and not to say that it can't be a part of hers, but it's the fact that all of that guilt is based on the thing that she wasn't around for.

And to know that is only reinforced by the stories of her parents rather than us as an audience seeing it, that puts us, I guess it can work both ways because it puts us in the perspective of her parents knowing exactly how bad it was for them and how, like, troublesome it could have been. Well, I mean, you remember she's pregnant with Ember when they leave. Right. But it's, that's the definitive immigrant story.

Sure. Your parents, what they did for you is also part of your story. There's no untangling that. There's no unwinding that thing. They came here for Amber, right? They said, look, our lives here, not good. We're having a daughter. Let's go somewhere we can give her a better life.

You can't untangle those two things. So, like, you kind of spend, like, way right now, bro. Because way didn't that thing like, dog, you can do what you got to do. And it's like, no, I can't because my parents gave up so much. Like, they took their entire life. They left everything they knew so I could do something. So I could do this. Who am I to sit here and not at the least give it a chance?

to not the least, you know, repay them for that. It's completely and utterly like tied together forever. Did the bow, like, hit you? The bow hit me. Did the bow hit you after hearing all of that? Oh, no, yeah, of course. And you probably, to be fair, I guess you do need that flashback of the dad, the grandpa, not doing the bow in order to like feel the bow.

Yeah. Because he's like, look, you know, when we left the first, when we left the island, my dad wasn't cool with it. My dad did not give me to bow. And I still left without getting that for my father because it meant that much to me to give you the life that we didn't think we could give you on Fire Island. Was their home the only home that was destroyed? I don't think so. Okay.

That's what I thought. But then when they like turned to leave, all the other homes were nice. I think they like rebuilt. No, not in the flood. The fire. The weather. Yeah. I think.

I think what, I mean, what probably happened is like everybody rebeils. Everybody's like, we're saying. They're like, eh, kind of. It keeps happening. We got to go. Like, we feel like we can do a little better somewhere else, you know, and the folks are like, no, I was saying again, the dad was not happy that they were leaving. The mom, you know, I'm sure she had her own thing on, but I can't imagine they're off.

We didn't really get the mom. But when it's all said and done, you can't untangle their stories because they're one and the same. They're a mother, a father, and a daughter. who came here trying to build something and to sit here and say, like, well, you know, is, did we not get enough ember because they're getting a lot of the parents? Their stories intertwine. The stories are interlocked. Very good point.

A very good point. I mean, she spends her whole life trying to take over for her father. Like, that's just what it is, you know. And, yeah, it's something that, like, I guess you can say it's a little long on the tooth, but you need it. Yeah. So when, you know, they get to that scene where Wade, you know, shoots his shot, she's about to take over.

And it's like, nah, you can come, you can do this. She's like, no, dude, you don't understand. My parents literally gave up, like, everything. Everything they hold sacred, they left and took it with them and brought it here. I can't, I can't just, I can't betray them. I can't not, you know, try and do what they want. want me to do. I like that part of the story a lot that it was like, this was a relationship where she

wasn't like, I hate my dad. Like it was a relationship where she's like, no, I love my family. They did so much. I love my family. Right. It's so we don't get this enough often where it's like, yeah, but they actually love their family. They do.

They love it and they respect it. And him to show up at the actual town and the ceremony and everyone's there, I would absolutely be like, turn away. Yeah. What are you doing here? Get back on that subway or whatever. that train shit is. Again, that's a white man would do that.

Black man would never do that. If it, I... The fate of the century. Come on, man. Come on, man. I... No, but seriously. And I think, one of the things

that I really loved about this movie was like, the love of the, like, the family. Like, that's... That was, that was really special. That's the kind of thing you don't really see the movies, like, you know, even like ins and out of a movie, like, you can think about, like,

what if, you know, the elements were alive. What if the feelings were alive? Like Riley was mad at her folks. Yeah. Why couldn't she? A lot of us were able to like, and their parents, her parents weren't as far off from mine where I'm like, my mom was so welcoming with like, please tell me when something is happening. Like I want, I want you to be transparent with me. I know there's a lot of us moving and a lot of us doing these things. And I'm trying my hardest. And I was like, I would love inside. I already do love inside out, but that story with being able to talk to your parents. Because we don't see those stories a lot. And even, even, you know, even. I mean, Emberton really wasn't so transparent, but she was transparent enough to be like, I love my dad and I'm trying really hard to like do what he, like I want this for myself and for him.

It's not just for him. I want myself to do this. And a part of the movie I loved was, again, this is like, there's so many layers of this. She can't run the store, but she doesn't know why she can't. I mean, her temper, but she doesn't know why her temper is such a problem.

It's such a problem that I won't allow her to run the store. She can literally do everything else. but when it comes to relating to people and being able to connect it's impossible and Wade is the direct opposite he might be like a total dummy in every aspect but when it comes to just being able to like he goes

they go to the game and he's immediately like boom let's start a chain everybody's like yeah let's go and he's like how did you do that yeah like you know and so the movie does a good thing where she doesn't know why she's unable to run the store and it's not until Wade is like, dog, maybe running the source wasn't for you, maybe

the glass thing. Yeah. Or for you. And she finally puts together like, oh, oh, shh. Like, I'm supposed to be doing something different. I never thought I'd be doing something different. And my temper was a thing telling me that I should not be here, but I wasn't listening to it.

And you're like, oh, oh, shh. That line, that line was the mirror in my fucking face. Your temper is telling you a thing you're not ready to hear. Yeah, when he was like, maybe your explosions are just your body telling you what you're not ready to hear.

I went, shut up. I almost reacted back. Stop my own damn business. I was like, my own goddamn business. I'll fix myself when I want it. When it's an actual issue, I'll fix it. But I was like, that part of Ember was the one that spoke to me a lot.

It was being able to, like, I was like, I don't know why I'm so upset about this. And it's like, probably because you care so much about it. Yeah. And it's wonderful. And I think so I think to wrap up what we want to talk about here. Obviously, no, don't you apologize?

I apologize. I don't you? No. I had a roller coaster of emotions on this podcast. We've all had cloud-based generational trauma. I cried and I got angry at Jomey. I cried and got angry at Jomey and now I'm coming into like, you know what? It's all me.

I'm going through the stages. The stages of Mint Edition. That's how it goes. Incredible. Well, we can say that this is in the upper echelons of Pixar movies. Do you think we could say that? I mean, I think there's like a definite tier, right? Here, you know, like we have the, we have our Incredibles, our, cars.

Well, okay. All right. Now you're talking crazy. No, but hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on now because there's, there's discussion to be had, right? Like about cars.

I don't. I don't like cars. First cars is cool. Like, I ain't going to be mad at the first cars. See, that's, and y'all keep doing this thing where, like, a movie, like, spawns, like, a billion spinoffs and nine sequels and was undoubtedly a success. be a success and y'all would be like I'd be like, ah, it was trashed. It's rare. Like, I would give you like X-Men Wolverine origins. Like, that's a trilogy.

It shouldn't have been a trilogy, but people just like, they were X-Men movies along the way. We're like, people like Wolverine. We're going to keep making Wolverine movies. Cars, like, was the thing in 2006. Oh. Let's stop lying. No, when I say I didn't like it, I say I didn't like it. This is my nephew didn't like it. Don't see children didn't like it. Also, a car franchise will always make a lot of money over like a lot of other

What is cars right in between? It's sandwiched in between Incredibles in 2004 and Ratatoui in 2007. Like don't, don't, we don't need to worry about it. It's fine. It's cool. Like, you won't talk about cars too. Cars three, cool. I'm not even putting cars on like the upper level of the joints.

I'm saying it's a totally fine movie. Y'all is mad. Yeah, I personally don't like it. I just, man. I mean, like what? I mean, look, I mean, we can start, I mean, like, they started off a lot. I mean, really. bro you get from like like we're talking well no think about it like okay look at the list like

the like pixar movies release toy story bugs life toy story two monsters ink find an emo your incredible cars ratatooie wally up toy story three that's crazy that's like the first monster's insane run so much older than i remember it was it is but like that's an insane run of movies we hate like we don't necessarily need to rank all of these and pit the Pixar movies against each other, but, like, I don't know if element... If you want to put cars at the bottom, sure, like, that's fine. You know what I'm saying?

I think, you know, when you, when you do great things like that, like, it definitely, like, ups the ante. Sure. Of course. What is, like, a great movie coming from this place? And it changes your perspective on how you can rank, like, good movies. At least, like, this one did for me, especially even, like, having this conversation today

where I was, like, this is enough for me to put it higher on my list. But I'm also like, again, I could be biased because I'm like, yeah, this story speaks to a lot of people and a lot of kids that look like me. So I want more properties like this. So we have stuff to look for it. And I absolutely love that. And I can tell that this is one of the more unique entries into Pixar's canon because I don't see many movies like this on this list. And it's incredibly well done. Respect a good dinosaur.

We talked about good dinosaur. Crazy underrated. People sleep on it. but I also just think, I don't think they did a really good press for it. And that's why people didn't see it. It went really quick. Directed by the same guy who directed this movie.

Yep. And it's really interesting because I saw this in theaters. And it was like, I mean, it's gorgeous. It's fine. It's gorgeous. And then at the end when he gave him the boy away, I was like, dang. Yeah. My chest.

But it, yeah, it doesn't really care. I mean, carry the same weight, but it's still a solid film. Okay. Do you think this is a Peterson's situation then, a Peterson problem? Because I assume the directors gets. to say last on the trailers. That that's why people aren't seeing these. Because people need to see Elemental.

And people did need to see the good dinosaur. It's just that, like, I genuinely believe the press just wasn't there for it. It wasn't that loud. I don't have too much into the insight about how Disney or Pixar cuts their trailers or directs them. But from what I've known about most trailer production, it's usually notes from the studio about the log lines of what they want the movie to be sold under, barring, like, any sort of major plot twist. or like contextual, like, upheaval that happens, like, midway through the movie.

Most of run-of-the-mill movies will have, like, you'll understand the whole plot within the span of the trailer. Now we're in a space where trailers are, like, art in their own way, where we've had, like, these kind of, like, moody, like, to the tune of, like, music and overdubbed stuff in their own trailers.

But Pixar's kind of been right down the middle to what they've been selling us. So I think that this is kind of more, of like, hey, it's the elements and they're not getting along, but we got us fix the city and blah-da-da-da. But then it's like, it is surprising when they've given us this message that we really didn't see coming. Yeah.

The closest we could get is it's a love story because at the very end of the trailer, it fades and she goes, my name's Ember. And then it just says, elemental. And you're like, oh, their first meeting. It's a meet cute. But otherwise, it was just her getting on the train. And it was clear that there was no other fireteach. I just, you mentioned.

in that part I'm gonna go back in a rest movie and I'm gonna love it because it I mean the scene with them Dan like finally touching I'm taking my headphones off

I get I'm gonna start crying dude like it's like you know we talk about a little early they go they go on a couple dates and it's like real nice and she's like sneaking off and go see this nice little boy and her mom is getting

a little suspicious but you know she's keeping it pushing Who is that boy? And then they do the I'm gonna let it slide I was going to let it go. I should have just looked at you. I was going to let it go.

I was going to let it go. Right? And, you know, he finally goes, you know, he introduces her to the folks and they love her. And then they go into the, they go see the flower. And then they finally touch. And after like, after how many times I want to high five and hug, it's like, we can't do it. They finally do it. She runs away.

He goes back. He makes a big declaration of love. She's like, actually play it. Like she gets really mad It's not going to go down like that I never want to see you again He's ready to leave Until he has to go back

And rescue her He freaking dies Oh my I bawled I'm bald But not really He dies I genuinely kind of believed I was like

If they let it slide That he dies Because I thought the dad was gonna die I was like if someone dies The dad will die right Because he's getting up there He was coughing so much Oh yeah

He can't cough Yeah But then I was like If it's Wade And that's what made me Because I was like If they do this They could do this

They could just flip the script and just do this and let him die. Was I the only one that thought he was going to turn into a cloud? No. Just change it up. You got really into the logic. Yeah. See, that's where you...

I was thinking too hard. Nah, he just got evaporated into the rocks. But he evaporates into a cloud. That's how it works. Well, yes, but it's, again, Steve. Is that the afterlife for water? Wait a minute. You're on to something.

Holy shit. Wait a minute. Tim Burton. Shut up. Tim Burton's going to steal it. Is that why the cloud of the water people are so tight because that's just the The ancestors? Man, I am going to be so busy in confession.

I'm going to be so busy in confession. What's the religion there? Oh, my God. I tell you what? The earth people are pissed about it. I'll tell you that much. Yeah. So, like, and it's so beautiful.

And then, like, she retells the story, like, the crying game that it played at his house. She goes word for word, bar for bar, and she talks about how they met and how she loves him. and I don't you're not getting like live action animated you're not really getting love again I said I was going to spoil your name you do not get romance like that I have not felt that way in a movie since your name don't don't spoil your name what you said you having on romance since your name you're like that guy well yeah is it better than the one in your name no no no I mean I would honestly put it like maybe like a just like a tear below because your name like your name is God tier I loved

and when I'm looking about, like, romantic films, I was going to, like, think about this. Your name emotionally mess me up for this. Okay, everyone within the sound of our voice. Oh, I saw your name. I went to theaters and saw your name. Yeah, it's a great movie. I was...

I'm bawling. Yeah. It's tough. It's really, like, anybody within the sound of our voice, go see your name and go see Elemental. Yeah. Hopefully you've already seen Elemental. Should you see...

Would you recommend seeing Elemental as, like, a date date night? like with your significant other. So now here's the thing, right? Oh boy. So we had the second conversation would get out, right? Wait, what?

What? What? Yes. Land in hand. Remember when you say get out? And he was like, can you take your, like I say, you, you're a person of color. And you take your Caucasian. Okay.

I got out of this. Would you take them to see get out, right? Yeah, I would. I would only because I'd be like, this is what your family. Right? This is what your family makes me feel. You know what I'm saying? Like, imagine you, like a white boy telling you, you know, you're a black girlfriend.

Hey, man, we're trying to see, get out. Let's go. during the movie. She's like, that's what your mom kind of see. Your mom was like, I bow for Obama three times too. She's like, what's going on? So like you go to see Elemental, right? And, you know, maybe it's definitely like, it's like a lot more complicated, complex than that. But it's just like funny to think about. That's so interesting. TMI. I came fresh off heartbreak and then I went saw Elemental and I was like, oh my God. Oh my God. And I bawled my eyes out. Not because of me, but because I was like, look at how happy people can be.

Oh, Jessica. And didn't know it was going to be like this. And Jody's clapping at it and I'm bald. I was like, let's go. I was feeling some type of way. I was happy. I was, I seen the love. I was like, ah, let's go.

I was, I saw the love too. I was just missing it. I was just missing it. I was just missing. Dennis, we here for you. Yes. Thank you, babies. All right.

With that, we're going to wrap up this podcast so that we can all hug, Jess. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much for joining us this week on Mint Edition. Programming reminders before we go, Secret Invasion is coming. Wednesday, the Midnight Boys are going to give you their instant reactions to the season premiere of Secret Invasion. And on Friday, House of Our is going to give you the deep dive into Secret Invasion.

And then maybe you see Jessica talking about Secret Invasion in some form or another that we have yet to discuss or reveal. But thank you guys again. Thank you so much to our great, Producer Isaiah, filling in for Kerm. Thank you again to additional production from Arjuna Ramgo Pell. And hello, and thank you to our new pod interns, Olivia and Jack. Yay.

Just in the other studio. We love you guys. We only met, you just met them two hours ago. And why can't we love them? I just kind of feel like a little early. You are real Wade right now. You're real, that's real Wade. That's like, I mean, like.

It's almost like. I like them a lot. I'm winding my fist up. I'm winding up. That's nuts. That's going to make the podcast. But that was crazy, Steve. We have to have conversations.

You know what? You know, it's okay. Jack and Olivia, you guys are cool. It's only been like two days. Y'all are right. Y'all are like, you know, really, you know. Trial by fire. You know, y'all are good people.

We're going to see. I can't say I love you. I just met you. That's crazy, Steve. All right. You know. I want that on a T-shirt. That's crazy, Steve.

Because I think we, I've been on the podcast twice and it's been said. Well, well over a dozen times, Steve. All right. You said crazy shit. all right well thank you so much again joe me parting words for the people yeah shout out to arjuna for all this help again you know kerm's not here but we got our guy uh isaiah blakely griffin out here on the ones and the twos and yeah again shout out to jack and livia for being out here and being good peoples you guys are great uh i can't say i love you but i can't say

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