The Ringer-Verse - ‘Gen V’ Season 2 Finale Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

The Midnight Boys sit down to break down the season finale of 'Gen V' and talk about their thoughts on the season overall. They talk about the broader implications for the universe of 'The Boys' as it heads into its final season and what they might want to see in the future of this edgy superhero franchise. They also give the season their Midnight Meter rating! (0:00) Intro (11:54) Reactions to ‘Gen V’ Season 2 Finale (1:09:38) Midnight Meter (1:15:09) Outro Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris and Jade Whaley Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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we did a meet and greet in San Diego where a man wanted to have sex with Johnny. We don't got to bring up the past. Is that true? That's true. That's the thing that happened. Oh, by the way, speaking of that, I talked about this before, before you got here. We don't have any queer on the Midnight Boys podcast either here or in the booth. Okay? So on every other podcast I do for The Ringer, there is queer representation.

Okay. Either the hosts or somebody that's helped making a podcast. We don't have that here. Question. Who's going gay? How did we even get on this topic? Who are you talking? Did we not talk about this?

before he even got here. It doesn't take, there's no math, you can't get into his brain. Right. It just goes. Guys, is this a, why don't you, why don't you be the change you want to see the world?

I'm asking, I didn't say no. I'm asking who's going gay? And who does it make the most sense to go gay? Interesting. First of all, let's get Alia Jade's opinion on this. Alea Jade, who do you guys think should, because we,

You don't want to, who do you guys think should do it? I'm more interested in which two of you would date. I'll tell you, this is the easy one. Really? Easy. Right. It's got to be the men boys. And let me tell you why.

The men boys? It's got to be the men boys. Number one, this is the cutest couple. Oh, it's a swirrel? It checks boxes. The swirl agenda this year has been crazy. You know what? We can be on our Nican-Landria-type.

Midnight Boys is all about black love. It is. And, dude, we can have a baby look like Charles. All right. Exactly. And by the way, there is.

One of the guy. And a lot, I see a lot of couples that look just like this in LA too. Right. Especially when we go out, we hang out with the bros. I see a lot of,

yeah. See, there is. Wait, that's a girl. Get close up on that. Close up. The Swirl. The gender has gotten to the queer community. It's here, man.

Nigel, what? We did a whole, we literally did a higher learning episode on it. Like, we literally did. But I don't even want to get into that. We just want to let people know that we here at the Midnight Boys are deeply, deeply connected to the community. With the queer community?

Yeah. They're going to be coming out tonight. Complete solidarity. Charles one time, he got off to a rocky start with the queer community here. Yeah, we passed it up. You did. But they passed it up. The West Hollywood lesbians, like, we tighten her.

It was bad, bro. Charles walked into my house. He was like, The most, the funniest line I've ever heard. Yeah. He just goes, he just stands up and he goes, man, I'm beefing with the West Hollywood Lesbian community.

It was mad. That was great. It was the funniest thing I ever heard. It takes you a little while when you first moved to LA to learn how to like really move. Like, I didn't know how the gangs were roving around there. The gangs, the West Hollywood lesbian gang? No, they don't fucking play.

I actually started off beefing with some of the gay bros as well. Oh, no. Interesting. Yeah, like, we, Kalika had some friends and they were visiting.

I remember they came in the house and one of the guys was like, yeah, everybody in L.A. dresses with a lot of flair and a lot of style. Not a lot of people dress plain and don't have any style

kind of like van, you know, and I was like, wow. Damn. Right. And this is the thing with your girl sometimes. When you are a man like me,

I'm a big guy, very, I don't want to be like what I could do in that situation. It's like, yo, fuck you, nigga. Like, you know what I mean? Because it comes, everything comes off as aggressive. Right. So, wait, why?

Because, bro. It just does, bro. Everything comes up. It really is not because of that. It's because it's your girl's friend. Ooh. I ask the question. How do you, if you get disrespected by your girl's friend, I remember one time in college,

this girl named Jesse, my nigga Ryan had some Skittles. And this girl named Jesse took the Skittles and just poured them all out. Wow. For no reason because she thought it was funny. And then we really didn't know what we were supposed to do. Yeah. Like we're like, what do we do in this situation? Are you going to say something to her?

Oh, I already know what I do. What would you do? Usually, like, because you know your girls, like, usually telling you how they beefing and how this one is an invite. I'm usually like, see, this is why they don't invite you to brunch. Oh. Right. Right there down.

Right there down. Yeah. Keep that one in the tuck. Wait, this is my last question. My brother recently got in trouble with his long-term partner because he got yelled at because he referred to one of her friends as, you know, the lesbian. And she's like, I got a lot of lesbian friends.

No, you can't do that. Nope. But he was right. He's like, but you know which one I'm talking about. And she was like, it's true. You can't do that. You can't do that. I feel like any descriptor that is just a trait.

with nothing surrounding it is bad. Just the black. The black. They can't be one thing. Nobody can be one thing. Right. If you said, if he would have, that would have even been different

if he just said, like the lesbian girl from Chicago. That makes it more, but if you just say the lesbian, it makes it seem like, there's a stank on. Yeah, yeah. Because he's like,

yo, you know, you're black friend. That makes it seem like you only got one black friend. Yeah, like, but you know, you put a done in front of it. But even like, if he had been like,

Y'all, you're a lesbian friend. I feel like that comes off a little bit. The nice thing. If you go like, oh, which one of your friends? The black. You sound crazy. Yeah. Yeah, sound crazy.

We figured so much stuff out just then. Shout out to L.A. Look, this, man. We're not phobic over here. Yeah. We're trying not to be. No Kings. This week, House of Arr gives you their Buffy season two revisit.

Next week, the Midnight Boys give you their Star Wars visions and Star Wars Black recast. Interesting. On today's show, we're giving you our reaction. to the Gen V season two finale. It's over. It's in the books. A Jenny V.

Jenny V is over. And we're going to talk about it, okay? I thought it was great, but I want to see what you guys think. Because the boys' world is in an interesting spot. Your main show is going away. Yep. But they're still deepening the lore of the show with Vault Rising coming out, Gen V, seemingly still going strong,

and perhaps the Boy's Mexico coming. So I don't know that I've ever seen the situation like this where the main show is ending while the other lower parts of a universal ramping up. Walking Dead is pretty much the one that did that. Maybe, but think about how long the Walking Dead was on. I get what you're saying. True.

Yeah, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, yeah. The Walking Dead was coming out. Damn here. Right. It was pumping that motherfucker out. Before we get to the show, man. I ran across. the Walking Dead channel again. Yeah.

I cut it on. And I was like, oh, look. And before I knew it, it was like four hours. Yeah. And I was still watching the walking dead. I'm sorry, bro. I don't know what the fuck it is about the walking dead. Is it good or is it just entertaining games?

It's watchable. It's just so watchable. It's like from scene to scene with the Walking Dead is something, they always got some bullshit going on. This is before, this is before. Negan kills Stephen Young. I don't know. Okay.

There's so much that's happened on the Walking Dead, but I really don't know. I saw, you know what I didn't see? I didn't see Rick Grimes. Yeah, wait. Okay. So he's not on the show. Like, he was off the show and Norman Reattis took over for him. Yeah.

I remember that. I was pissed. I'm like, I'm not sure. So in the Walking Dead version that I was watching, I didn't see Rick in these. But I really don't know what era it came from. My last era was like the Negan era. I never even made it to the point to where Negan was their friend. Remember when you started something to Nagan.

When Nigan becomes their fright, I'm like, bro. It's in the comic book, though. I know, I know. Yeah. But it's still, I'm like, come on, bro. He took your man's out. Yeah. So I never even made it to that point.

Like, I made it to the point where they were, where Eugene started making bullets for Negan. Mm-hmm. And then after that whole era, it was over. I don't know how we got it. Shout out Robert Kirkman, man. Spoiler warning, Jim V. We're getting ready to talk about the boys.

You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, Chuck, Midnight Manifference. All right, there's your Midnight Manifesto, GenVee, Season 2, directed by Steve Boyam, written by Justine Ferrar and Michelle Fizakis. Anna Beth has a vision that Marie is going to die while Godokin starts his plan to call the University of its weakest superheroes. The GenV teams try to stop Marie, but she uses her blood powers to incapacitate them. But along with Emma and her starlighters, Marie and the rest of the show. the students are able to stop Godalkin.

But the ancient scientist takes over Marie's body and steps closer to his goal of one day being able to control a homelander. What are you doing, man? I'm really trying this episode. I'm really like, I try. Like, from my voice, you're doing this. Don, bro. I became my fucking J.V. expert. That, damn.

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Hit the street, grab a can and get after it. Kids to escape before Valk comes to campus, Starlight, and A-Train then show up to welcome the kids into the resistance. That has been your Midnight Manifest for Gen B season two. All right, Van, this is your show. This is your universe. How did you feel? I really enjoyed the finale. I would venture to say that this is one of the better finale's season finale that I've seen

of some of the stuff that I've been watching lately. The season finale gave you big moments. When I look at a season finale, uncovering a mystery from the entire. season. Kind of happened here, maybe happened in the penultimate. Overcoming the evil and then overcoming the bad guy and then

setting forth on the path of narrative future. Did all of that stuff. And you got good action. You got some... Action and finale. Who would have thought? You got good action. You got states the whole nine. Really into it. And an arc for Marie as well. Right. It felt like a

a season ending TV show from years long past, right? Like when we used to make actual TV before the streaming era, where especially in these superhero shows, the show would end and you would not only, like, again, resolve all the arcs for a lot of the characters,

but also set up some new stuff going forward in that show or in that universe. We talk about, like, a lot of the Marvel stuff. It just feels like, it's usually the shortest episode, they cram a bunch of stuff in there, and we go, boom, it's over. and we kind of felt unfulfilled. Even a couple weeks ago, Peacemaker.

We just sat there and we were like, what was the point of this particular episode? It didn't advance anything in terms of how we felt about the characters going forward in that universe. This finale, however, felt like not only a conclusion, but a stepping stone to something else in that world. And that just felt really complete to me.

And I really enjoyed what I saw on screen. It was just, it was great. I really liked it. When the season ended, I was like, that was a good season of TV. And then I could just, I can hang my hat and be very much looking forward to the next season of the boys. And hopefully the next few seasons of Gen V. Set up a set up the next season of the boys really well.

It's kind of become a novel feeling in recent months. Well, all this stuff doesn't do that, though. Right. Like, it just, like, they, like, they'll, and again, you're not going to spend the whole time being mean to Marvel shows. I don't think that's completely fair. But a lot of this stuff, they're supposed to be like a shared universe. It's supposed to be all these things are supposed to connect.

But that thing ends and we're like, all right, what's next? And they don't tell us. It's just like this story. It was supposed to be this big universe, but we're not really seeing any of the connective tissue. When A-Train and Annie show up, I'm like, oh, yeah, this is the boys. And they're going to go help the boys.

And I can't wait for season five now. The entire season was actually their transformation into a group. A graduation. Exactly. Precisely. We'll say it. Particularly because you agree with me. It was their transformation into the resistance.

It was how they became that. And there was a series of betrayals, narrative plot twists, happenings, and all of that, that legitimately led this group of kids to where they stood out from everything else that was going on at the university and where they had their own purview and their own purview and their kids. their own motivation or what it was that they want to do next. And enough questions about themselves that are intriguing to the audience. Marie, her sister, slightly annoying. And all of the stuff that was going on, now you want to see how they can help.

And you start to wonder with the boys' universe and how Homelander lords over it. You start to wonder if with all of these powers come. If homeowner is actually in some trouble. Maybe not quite yet. Yeah. But it seems as if you can envision a world now to where the combined forces of all of these people might be able to be homeless. Oh, no. But I think that what Gen Fee is really good at is that the idea, yeah, sorry.

I think that the idea that GenVie is really good at is inhabiting a world that we're already familiar with while not stepping on the toes too much on anything on the extremities of it. a homelander is a known quantity in this world, but he's not going to be the thing that could just immediately end all problems. It's not the, where were the Avengers when X happened? Type of question. Or, like, this looming threat

that could be happening outside of this world. Like when, oh my God, Mr. Run Vaught. Stan? Oh, San Anger. John Carlos. Yeah. When John Carlos Posito shows up,

I was like, oh, this is interesting. This is going to be like, this is bleeding. it into what the boys is actually coming into. And we now know how Dr. Carlos Posito's machinations are, I want to get fought back. I know that these kids are kind of going to be my connective tissue to bringing that power structure back, all of these things. It doesn't impede on what is happening in the mystery of GenVe itself. And it's genuinely a great balancing act between these two types of shows.

It was an important episode for broadening the world of GenV and also directly connecting it to what's going on, right? It was an important episode for that. You know what I remember? Remember Shira and He-Man? Do you remember them? Yeah. I remember those characters.

Gen V. Shear. Well, no. I just think about it. So when I, I've told this, the Shira He-Man story, whatever, I'm not telling you in. But when Shira first started,

you know, the Horde is in Shira. Skeletorial used to be a member of the Horde, all of that stuff. It's connected, but it really wasn't connected. And so, you know, there were times that I would watch Shira and I would just want a little more He-Man, or there were times where He-Man would be doing stuff. I'd be like, I wonder why She was just-Zena and Hercules. Yeah, just come home. After a while, Zena was just, she was kicking ass.

She didn't need Hercules popping off. Yes. Isn't he? I'm saying I like to see the world's connect sometimes. Sometimes I would wonder, He-Man would be in a situation. He never used a sword. He just did like this from hand-in-hand and then he, you know, threw somebody. They reused that.

Where she were at? She-Rood can help him out. It didn't seem like the worlds were connected. It seemed like a spinoff of another show. This show seems like the worlds definitely have two completely different points of view. However, they seem very connected in style, tone, and execution. But is Starlighter become Blue Skywalker? I was just like, what the fuck's going on?

What you mean? Like, she kept popping up, but she's like, joined the resistance. She is. That's what she is. I mean, it happened, bro. She came in. The lights twinkle. They tried to give Starlight some aura in this.

Did it work? Did they give her to aura? I mean, I don't know. She has to. No. She was like, she will walk through. I'm like, this ain't like Nick Fury at the end of. Sure.

I mean, maybe because we'd already seen it before, but when she started in the finale, I'm like, okay, that's cool, yeah. But then when I heard the A-Train. Right. I was like, all right. We-we. I like seeing A-Train show up. I also like how people dress when they off the grid.

Yeah. I like off-the-grid clothes. Dark hoodie. A little dirty. You don't have a little distressed. You don't have time to go to like the cleaners? No. You can't worry about that.

Why aren't they ever wearing like Nike Tech police or some real like... You can't afford it. You're in the resistance. Imagine those resistance, bro, just in Versace. You're not going to take them do seriously. But here's the thing. I'll be like, he's too fly to be in the resistance. Who is the best dress resistance ever?

Is it and or? They was kind of fly. Wait, I think Han Solo. I think Homs solo is always... That's a classic. Yeah. You know, Luke had them boots. But let me tell you why.

Oh, leather jacket, Luke? I think all black Luke. All black Luke was crazy. Nah, he had that on. Because it came back. I'm not like the rest of y'all. Like, he had to show him. All black Luke, Jedi, Mandelorian, best dress resistance ever.

Easy. Laylow. Lay was getting fit on. Lay. Lay. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on.

It's easily layer, right? Is it? Her in God. It's not over all black. It's not over all black. It was crazy. No, no. She had a fucking.

Like, Montclair-all in Hall. You guys, this is the part. Best-dressing fandom. Oh, it's the Fittlorn. I want to bring in a fashion person for this. I want to bring in a fashion, just straight up, best, best dressing fan. Like, what's the best, Iron Man suit? What's the best Iron Man suit?

Which one look to clean is the coldest? You see what I'm saying? You know, don't be mad at me, but I think it's the Mark 45 from Aja Ultron, the final scene. He's got the, because it's got the yellow, trademark yellow, I read, but it's got the black seams. It's fire. I see. I think it got a little too nanotech-ish.

That's when I was like. Nanotech ruined it. I hate nanotech helmets where they just appear on their face. A little too smooth. The Mark 50, I don't love the Mark 50. But the Mark 45 is clean. But the one he used the endgame, the Mark 85, clean.

Yeah, that one was called. The first nanotet. Now, they look resistancy. And now the kids are going to join the resistance. Now the resistance actually has This finale made me excited for the boys season 5 It did, it got me

Now, Homelander is out of here Can't Homander win? I did think about this I don't know if they should have killed Godoken Godolphin. They had to, though. Why would you keep Godoken around? I just thought the character was too interesting.

I thought the character was too interesting. I thought maybe incapacitated the character and bringing the character back in some kind of way. It is a very interesting power. I think the idea of a fucked up professor Xavier running around, being able to mind control people is interesting. And I thought they got rid of the character too quick. I think A, probably doesn't fit into the boy season five's plans, obviously.

But B, they needed to like get over that hump. They needed to like win, quote, unquote, right? And so they could have that moment. And also, this is why. What's her name? My sister Sage sent out a whole thing up. Yeah. Because she had a plan with Godalkin to go in there and like,

I forget exactly like what they were talking about. But it was, they had like a thing that they were going to do. And he was like, actually, I'm going to go kill these soups. She said, that's not really what we're trying to do here. But I'm going to go into Polarity's thing. I'm going to like, hey, remember how your son died? That was crazy. I'm going to leave the door just a tinyest bit open so you can get out and slam him because he's not part of my plan.

I give Sage credit because I was about this. to kick her in, well, I'm not going to kick her. That's a sister. We don't do that. I was about to slander her because I was like, once again, she's got an outmaneuver. Yeah. As a smartest person. Now, I will give credit.

I did not see Sage being behind this the entire time coming. I did not see this. I started to know that something was going on with Cypher. I think everybody was seeing that. I did not see Sage being the person that was like helping this or being behind this. When she gets out maneuvered or when the plans change and then she has another plan to wrestle control back, I thought that was interesting. I didn't know what car she was going to play. Speaking of which, I thought the twist in episode seven, like even though they gave you, they gave us hints when they told us, Cypher isn't like, he's got no V in him, right?

And we're like, but he's using his power. So we don't like really think about it. right when they're having sex and she's looking over at the little husk body yeah right like she knows but we don't when they pulled that off at the end of episode seven i was like come by these guys come from these guys i i i saw it but i liked it i liked it i was ready for ariana grande's boyfriend though he's a great that's tough i was like oh shit word last i was that what's going to see sponge bob like as godoga but we got you saw you saw you saw it coming that uh Seifer was being controlled by someone.

Yes. By the old man. But again, I like that. I think shout out to Hamish Linklater because he might be the MVP of the season because he was infinitely compelling this entire season. And to know that he can, like, on the dime,

once the puppet form of him is gone, he's like this cowering, sniveling guy that's really nice. Cower and sniffling, but also still, like the scene with him and polarity where he's telling him about Andre's hero Oh my God. Was just very compelling and touching.

The odd stuff did get to me. I'm not going to lie. It did get to me. I was like, this is very touching. I was kind of put off by it in the beginning of the season. Same.

Knowing that he had passed away and like they're actually leaning into his death in the show a lot. Almost to the point where I didn't, I didn't quite find it offensive, but it was a tad off putting. But then like having it come to a head at the end being like, that was for Andre. He was really one of the best I'd ever seen.

And like everybody kind of looking at that. Very sweetly, I appreciated it. Charles? I got a question for you. You didn't watch a show originally when it came out. You had to binge all 16 episodes. How did it? How did you feel like?

What did you think about the show watching it the whole way through? Charles Soldier Boy Holmes. I think Eric Cripke, you could just, Eric Crippy is like quite literally a genius of television when I was watching this. Similar to The Walking Dead, there is a version of this show where he's just, like you could just turn it on and a season's worth of a of shit is happening in one episode is a very sturdy show and I love it when it's a teen show I think the boys of I think the boys of universe is getting a little long the tooth for me I was just like the more it connects

to the boys universe the more I'm like I'm close I was close to thinking the way that you were but when when I came to finishing this season I'm like how is this not graded on me yet because like as edgy as it is or as adult or violent or gross out as it is and cynical, it doesn't feel tasteless to me. It doesn't feel like over the top or like grossness for grossness. I mean, a man does have a black hole in his. In his ass. They do.

They had the butthole clown car. I was crying. I'm never going in the butthole. I'm not going. Well, I'm just. Guys, it's to save the school. You got to get in the bulls sometimes. You got to get in the butt.

I don't know where his butt is been. Yeah, but you got to get in there. It doesn't matter. Think about it. And it looks painful coming out. You got to, well, you got to think about it. Like, what if you try, like, let's say you're trying to get to Japan sometime, but you ain't got no bread to get to Japan.

So you just got to go up his butt. So I'm riding up my holiest ass to get to Japan. 15 hours. With your luggage and shit. And then he shit you out. And you, like, in Osaka. Free trip. Free trip.

Free trip. Save you like the grants. Like, what's going to. You got to think about it. I'm not doing it. Well, you got money. You can fly first class. Yeah, you can fly first class anyway.

Everybody here could fly to Japan. Stop acting this way. What if you got to infiltrate somewhere, though? What if you got to infiltrate? What's one place that you know you can't go to, but you got to get into somebody's butt? To go there? To go there.

One place that I would want to go. Trying to think. I guess there's somewhere. Yeah. I guess there's somewhere that I'm like, you know, if the only put is, but it would have to be something really important. That night crawler seen in the White House would have gone a lot differently. Had night crawler been going through somebody's butt to get there?

Yeah. Kripke's crazy, man. He's a mad man. He's insane. Look, to Charles's point, the boys' universe is a lot. Yeah. Okay.

But I feel like at this point now, we kind of know what it is. It is, but I'm still disgusted sometimes. It's just a fact. Sometimes it's disgusting. It's not numbing to you guys at this point where almost like they've, they have,

I've seen almost everything. So what's some crazy shit happens? We're just like, oh, yeah, that's where I'm at. But, I mean, I just have a specific gag reflex and that reflects will always happen. It doesn't matter. You don't like stabbing? Don't like stabbing.

Don't like stabbing. I don't like the explosions. I still, the head popping still to this is like, it's when his veins are popping out. Stabby, blood type stuff, whatever. However, the show puts you through that with just emotional stakes that matter for the characters and stakes that matter in in the world.

So I don't know. It's interesting to see what. the boys season five will be like whether or not they will try to top themselves with stunts or whether or not they'll try to top themselves with emotion every single year i think the show does a great job with emotions but every single year every time the press tour and they're like man guys it's nastier than it's ever been we did stuff this year you wouldn't believe you're going to be grossed out and it's only 16 minutes into the first episode you're not going to believe it we do that every year they They try to up themselves every year.

So I'm sure we'll see it. One thing that I was thinking about while watching the show, they have that scene with Jordan and Marie at the quad where they kind of like break up. And Jordan's like, look, I'm going to be here. I'm going to support you. But just as a friend. Because this, you always having to beat a hero is not working out.

And I was like, wow, that's really affecting. And just thinking about like peacemakers. and how, like, the John Cena hard court relationship all year or all season didn't really, like, work for me, but this one did. It's just like... Well, this one was much deeper. That's what I'm saying. I think this, they did not... The hard court, if we would have saw the stuff on the boat, I think it would have changed things.

Like earlier in the season? Earlier, yeah. Like, whatever, yeah. If we would have saw the... I mean, meaning if we would have saw... We saw it, but they didn't really pay that much. How can I put it? It might have been like a pump fake as to,

we saw it. This isn't a will they or won't they? This is a, they tried to and didn't. We saw it, but the way that we saw it was like, I don't think it really was executed in a way that deepened their relationship. It didn't resonate emotionally. This is different. We've seen these characters meet.

We've seen the relationship between, the various iterations of the love interest here, how she is when she's in her film form, how she is when she's in the more mask form. Like we've seen that, and there's both an intrigue to it and an understanding of the depth of why they are so, everything is so jinnied up, right?

They, you know, the conversation where they talk about sex, the conversation where they talk about connection, almost the whole show is litigated through this relationship, heroism, connection, abandonment, all of those things. We keep coming back to how these characters relate. And so the relationship actually means something. And they do it pretty much every show. It's some kind of way.

And it also speaks to why the show hasn't, like the universe of the boys can't really great on me when I know that all of the characters around me or like most of them are likable. Yeah. The ones that we are like putting up. It's like when we look at the boys, it's like everybody's an asshole in some form or fashion.

Even Huey. Like, might be the biggest asshole. But like all of these kids are really just trying to figure things out while still having their own like machinations. Even, um, what's her name? A girl that didn't have her powers, but then got them at the end because Marie helped her.

Oh, some of you talk about Steve. Some of these kids are unlikable, bro. Who's unlikely to you? Golden boys. little brother, I don't follow. Sam is... Sam... I thought Sam's character came a long way this season. I agree.

Really? Yeah, because, like, I mean, he didn't kill any puppets, which he was, like, maybe a little disappointing because that was, like, one of the best scenes in season one. But his growth, like, that, because you could easily have that same scene with him at his parents' house and be like, yo, let's get to the actual stuff, bro. Like, let's get to the real stuff. But seeing, like, in that moment, him realized, like, oh, the V didn't make me messed up. I've always been messed up.

Like, no matter what. So I can still use my powers to help my friends because that's not what's wrong with me. And I'm like, oh. And then he just does that the whole year, the rest of the season. I'm like, wow, that was a really deaf touch that they added to that character, which most of the times would have been like, yo, I don't really care about this. Yeah. They got the-the-cadogne.

They got the cipher stuff. Why am I here with this? But no, he takes that moment by himself with his family to learn about like, what's actually wrong with him. And then that propels him the rest of the season. That's great TV. That's great TV making. I thought the first season, he was used kind of as a McGuffin almost.

But this season, they actually, through the development of the show, made him into, like, even when he's talking this shit, when he's going back and forth with Homeboy about who can fly, who can jump and all that stuff. He has a lot. Like, I thought they gave him some juge. By the end of it, he wasn't just kind of. of a mindless thing, he was actually a person. I enjoy that about the character. Do you think they're going to let Marie fight with our boy Homelander? Because they were pumping her up the season.

They like you to chose him. Yeah, Marie is, she the one. We're going to have to be. Well, I mean, isn't part of the season her rejecting that notion? Because she's like, yes, but they all kept still. Yes, and no. Yes, and no, she's the one who blows the head up of the God. So we still know that just based upon raw talent,

she's just a level of bluff. I mean, she and Homelander are the, they are the, really are the two foils of the universe at this point. And if she can fix the GenV, the V inside of somebody's blood to give them their powers, what's to say that she can't take somebody's powers away? Maybe that's true.

Well, Homelandor doesn't have any. Exactly. But like, that kind of power set is kind of undeniable. I think maybe like part of it is, it's not like the way I would if I was like gonna if I was gonna like game it out

maybe her thing isn't like I don't gotta do this by myself I got my guys I got my team maybe even um Lizzie or that's her real name uh the little cricket

oh yeah yeah she's like guys like we come as a set like we're we're a team now we're our own team now you know and maybe that's what goes forward with with Marie she's like I got my whole squad

and she has to stop letting her trauma put distance between her and her friends. But I'm going to be honest, they be acting like a team, but they don't really, they need to get in their danger room. They don't got no coordination. That's who the last scene was. Yeah. Yeah, but we ain't.

Here's the thing, too, like, if they give Jim V another season, it's like, what's another season in Gen V? If, like, they take out Homelander, because are we going to get to see them join the resistance in the boys? Because the resistance has to do something in the voice. I think I have thoughts about this. why are they keeping Stan Edgar alive? So is it possible that they're keeping Edgar alive,

that Edgar is your Lex Luther? Think about this. So Superman, right? Look at all the Superman movies. Lex Luthor isn't in three, but he's in four, he's in two, and he's in one. Most of the time he is the brains and the mastermind,

But then sometimes there's a more powerful villain that either he has to pull the strings of or figure out a way to work with. In Quest for Peace, it is Nuclear Man. And Superman, too, it is obviously Zod and the Super Crooks. My daddy used to call him the Super Crooks from Krypton. You keep Lex Luthor around

because he represents the clear and present danger. Shout out Harrison Floyd. The clear and present danger that is always around. No matter who the big burly guy is, no matter who the muscle is, the target right in front of you, there's always somebody there

whose machinations, whose wants and wills and desires represent the constant, constant tension in the world. If Homelander is gone next season and we assume that he is, if Stan is hiding from Homelander and going through such lengths, you know, in a bunker, zinc everywhere.

What happens when homelander is gone? Who then becomes the villainous, unscrupulous force in this entire universe that now you have to be? Maybe it's Stan Egger. Maybe Edgar comes back to it. Maybe he needs a new homelander. Maybe one of our group of Misfit kids becomes that. Maybe there is a new world, because Vought's not going anywhere.

So maybe that is what we have to look forward to in the future. Maybe I would, like, Eric just talked about this where they don't know if they're going to make a season three. Okay. Meet the niggil one time and you call him. Calling by his first name is crazy. Big E. My fault. Eric to Eric.

Shout out to Eric. Shout out to Eric, my guy. Eric Kripke's talked about they're not sure if they're going to make a boy season three, not because you don't have a story plan for it because of viewership. Right. But if they did, I feel like. like it would be the epilogue to the boys universe, at least like in the present time, because Vought Rising obviously is a prequel. I don't know what it would look like without like a big oppressive force looming over the show, but I think there's a way you could do it where it's not

exactly like, it's not exactly like, oh, these kids are going to school and it's fine. It's like a YA, you know, free form, ABC family show, all that jazz, where you have to deal with the fallout of no homelander, maybe no VOT, and it's a new, it's a new, it's a new, it's a new form. You know, new world where it's a little bit more open, a little more free, but like there's always these strategies of people trying to hold on to the past and how do you deal with that? I think that'd be interesting, but, you know,

Eric, man, you know, we homies now, you can call me, I got you. I mean, my question that is like, because I saw the quote where Eric Krippi was talking about viewership, can the boys universe survive without the charisma of like a homelander being the center of it? Honestly, don't

know. Like the MCU had this problem with Tony Stark where it's just like that character just looms so large over everything once they're gone you're just like is it the same thing and I don't know but even for Tony Stark like his death was pretty like in

it's been a big deal it has been a big deal yeah I don't like in now I mean you're talking about like in like I mean yeah for like the shows and the movies yeah but I'm talking about like in universe like far from home or right

the second Spider-Man movie when he's like looking up and looking at the mural of, of Iron Man, right? Like, and even like, I just feel like, even with that character, like, gone, you could still feel their presence of like, if people like, for example, a girl like, oh, man, like, Homelander died. They took a homelander unfairly, man.

We're going to stand up, like, use them as a martyr, for example, in like a season. Then you have the homelanders or whatever. I'm not saying, like, it's not like, I think that you, I feel like I trust these people enough. for them to do it. I trust them as well. What I'm noting right now is what you're saying.

They did do that in Marvel and it hasn't really worked. Like Tony was, Tony was the guy in the MCU that whenever he was on screen, you knew what was happening was important. Like, he was on screen. Tony Stark is on screen. It's an important start. Not saying that that doesn't mean that, There was other stuff that wasn't.

Of course there was. But when you saw him, you're like, oh, shit, the boss. It's lock in. Like, the guy is here, right? And the stakes are super duper high. Right, but Homelander wasn't in this season of the boy, or GenVee. I know, but the, the, what, I can't say it's Godokin, right? Godokin, yeah.

Godokin's plan is to learn how to control Marie so that he can learn how to control Homeland. Homlander is still the North Star. He's still, like, so it, he's the son that all. Even Marie, we understand her importance to this universe. Because of her proximity, because of, yeah, because of how she, to Homelander. Yeah, so, I mean. And once that piece is off the board, I'm like, oh, it's a different proposition now. Because I don't even, I think Gen V has, like, a lot of talented people.

But even this show sometimes, I'm like, oh, there's a charisma vacuum. And everything pretty much done this season, ultimately has been in the name. of taking down Homeland or in some form of fashion. It's not a unique problem. No, it's Star Wars without Darth Vader. It's the MCU without Tony Stark. It's not a unique problem. It's a problem, but it's a problem.

And I'll be honest with you. Who's got it right? Like, it's tough, right? You bring back Han Solo and Princess Leia and you try to crap. You have Kylo Ren, and he represents, and Kylo Rin was super fucking cool

in the first one. Then after a while, it was like a little bit of karaoke to me in terms of the entire thing. I mean, I even think the DCU right now is probably thinking like, okay, we do need an Iron Man.

We do need that charisma. It might end up being cornstwet with Superman, but that person where it's like, even when they're not in the movie, just the mention of their name, you're just like, oh shit, I got to lean forward. I mean, like,

I think it's, I mean, it's Batman. I feel like you might get there with Cornswoy after Man of Tomorrow, but we're all like, when's Batman coming? Yeah, but that's informed by who the character is rather than who's playing him. Right, but that's, and that just speaks to what Batman is.

What Batman means to the DC universe. Like, whenever James Gunn announces Batman, where he cast Batman, that's going to be the biggest news, not ever, but that's going to be big news. And then when we start seeing him and Cornsway interact, And we'll see bad matters going to be like, but just to be fair, I mean,

that's a good problem to have. That just means that Homelander has become a really important, very serious, very culturally understood contemporary villain, which is difficult for a show to do. There are people that make criticisms

about American politics, heroism and superheroes, period. by referencing Homeland. Homelander's evil, him masquerading as a patriot, his white nationalism, his fascism, all of that stuff is stuff that right now,

for reasons that some of which are very sad, but others have to do with the just sublime portrayal of the character by Anthony Starr and the writing of the character by the team at the boys, it just speaks to the fact that that character has cut through. You see him, you're afraid. Just like we said about Tony Stark,

you see Tony Stark, and you're like, oh my God, something important is about to happen. This is meaningful. This is the A number one. You see Homelander, and it's time to be on your fucking toes.

I think you could kill it any minute and you never know what he's going to do. I think that's the more interesting thing about Homelander is like when he's on screen, you know he's going to not only deliver an amazing performance, but you're just like, what's going to happen? What's going to happen? Yeah.

If he can do anything, the guy that does anything do. But also when he's not on screen. And he's like, a Homeland can just pull up right now and miss your whole day up. Like, there were points in the boys watching like seasons two and three. I'm like, hey, man, Homeland could just like come through and mess the whole day. No, no, you never know. What about the stuff with Marie and her sister? How did you guys like that time this season?

I think, I feel like that it was just very shoehorned in at the very last minute. Oh, my characters that cry every scene. That's why I don't like. I mean... The man who goes to the park and grounds his feet and cries don't like when people crying every show. It's true. It's facts.

So you call her the crying girl? I do not like that character. That whole plot line. That's not against the actors. It just happened so late in the season and it was so kind of disorienting for what Marie's arc was already doing.

Like, I feel like if that character wasn't in the rest of this season, like of the two episodes or three episodes she was in, here four, I feel like everything that happened to Marie would have already still happen. Have I wrong?

Deuce X Machina, like her powers, like, oh, she's a precog. Oh, dude, I was like, what the fuck is happening right now? I think maybe the precox stuff was a little weird, but I think a lot of Marie's, I mean, Marie has spent like the two seasons looking for a sister, right? Like, that is like part of her arc is I want to find, I want to find the rest of my family. I kill my mom and dad, my fault. But where is my sister? Where has she been at?

And I feel like that's, it felt like a convenient thing for her to achieve. right near the end of this season just so that we can now point her towards Homeland or without having the distraction of like, but I still need to go back and find my sister. Do you think if they had a guaranteed season three, they would have played that out a little bit more? Or it's like if

the viewership numbers are not there, we want to wrap up that storyline. So if people are like, at least like, I'm going to see my people in the next season of the boys and I feel like everybody did get get a moment. If this wasn't the last season of the boys, I might agree with you, but it's not. And that's why

I think that they wrapped those things up because everybody's pointing to the last season of the boys and then we'll cast those. I don't know, man, I mean maybe, but I just felt like the scene where she finds, like she hasn't seen her sister and God knows how many years, and she finds her lying there dead in a pool of her own blood and then uses her powers to bring her back

is more affecting than like if she brought, if she brought Jordan back. I just feel like that means more to me because I'm like, Oh, snap, you, somebody who you've been searching for forever, you finally, you feel like you found them, and then they die, and you got to use all your power to bring them back to life. I just feel like that is more affecting than the alternative.

Sure. So it makes sense why they would do that. I just think that it happened very quickly. And also, I need everybody to shut up. After a while, I was just like, all right, we get it. Marie killed her parents. You mad at her. Knocked the fuck.

Get it off. Everyone kept yelling at Marie. I'm just like, too. We get it. We get it. She was pumped with V. It's not her fault. What you want to do?

This is, this is, look, we can revisit something that's burning up the airwaves. Okay, there are two things that are burning up the airwaves. This should be a new segment. One is there's a lot of conversation about the Infinity War stuff. Yeah, but y'all are wrong. A lot of people, I have been coming and saying Jomey wasn't as. Tread carefully. Hey, there are some people that may or may not be involved in the actual creation of it.

Ooh. That say that you are wrong. Okay. Okay. But then there's a like there's there's, there's a conversation because the conversation is this. Um, which by the way, I don't know who's wrong or who's right. I've said this before. I don't know who's wrong or who's right. The conversation is this strange say that things had to happen in an exact order or did strange say that there was one reality where they won. So it's and it's different.

And most of the stuff is around Tony and not around Star Lord. There are some people that go, somebody just hit me up that goes, no, that didn't have to happen. It just goes straight up. I'm telling you right now that didn't have to happen. But then there were other people

that said that it did. Right. A lot of people are on Jomey's side with this. A lot of people on Jomey's side with this. Okay. True. Secondly, something else that is burning up the airwaves. I forgot what I was going to say.

Uh-oh. It was not in relation to this. No, it was different. Marie and her mother and killing her parents. Oh, brainwashing. Oh, brainwashing. Innocence of brainwashing. Brainwashing and the innocence of brainwashing.

I wanted to come back to it because their mind-controlled people. People started hitting me up. people stop trolling me. Oh, for real? Yeah, people started hitting me up and just like saying, hey, in Gen V, there's mind control. Well, how do you feel about mind control? Mind control and brainwashing is different to me. Okay.

So what Hamish Link Leonard went through, that's mind control. Yeah. He's an innocent body, literally just being forced against his will to do things. If somebody takes a mutant psychic power. and controls your brain, you are very literally, literally at their beck and call, there's nothing you can do. Like, if Xavier takes over your body, there's literally nothing you can do. Okay, I'm following. Brainwashing is different.

I, okay, I'll hear you out. Brainwashing is, we read these letters to you. It's not just that. In Russian, in Russian. In Russian. Freight car. Freight car. Homecoming.

homecoming. 17. Yeah. Lemon ring, pie. What is your tort? What is your,

what is your, what are your activation words? No, before, before you, we even get to that, the, all right, I'll,

I'll bring another comic book example. Wolverine, weapon X, brainwashing. What do you mean? I don't think Wolverine is,

is responsible for what he did when he's brainwashed by Weapon X. Wolverine, but here's the thing, though, Wolverine is a killer and he was a killer then and he is a killer no no no no no no no no Wolverine is not a killer

and they know they know that Wolverine is a killer Wolverine is a killer he's picked no he was picked for his healing factory it wasn't picked because he was a killer no Wolverine oh my god gosh now I'm about to crash out like Wolverine has a savagery inside of him and that savagery was weaponized by weapon X. But then the savagery exists inside of Wolverine. So when Wolverine, when they send him out, when weapon X is like they say the fucking word and he goes berserker,

that's on Wolverine. Partly, yes. All right. That's not, no. We're not being serious. We're not being serious. All right. You know, it's fine.

It's fine. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You're saying when Wolverine goes berserker, even against his will, he got a whole. Hold on. But the berserker is inside of him. It's inside all of us. That's what the fucking allegority is.

It's in all of us. Sometimes Wolverine goes berserker just because he fucking loses it. And he goes berserker. And when Wolverine gets into the berserker rage, no one is safe. Yeah. But that's the problem. Like, here's the thing. A killer is in all of us.

It's not making sense. It's not making any sense. Talking in circles. Wolverine goes into the berserker rage. Yes. And he's Brazilian. You'll see people on the side like, hey, Wolfie, calm down.

There's not himself. His brain fucking water. It's a part of his nature. It's a part of all of our nature. We all can be killers. We all can be killers. That's the point. Hey, listen to me.

I'll be honest with y'all. Y'all never going to see me berserk out and go nuts and going, I'm just saying, it's a part of it. I think there are certain things and certain phrases we could say that activate the winter soldier in you. Yes.

No. There are certain, but you guys have to understand, though, what we're talking about. If we're talking about the Winter Soldier, we're talking about a decades-long devotion to killing. It's not a devotion. He just devote himself to killing it.

Would Bucky have done anything that he did as the Winter Soldier if he was not brainwash? So this is what I said. Yes or no question? I'll answer. Senator. This is what I'll say. I think that there were certain things in Bucky

that made him more. Likely, I really do. Can you denounce the winner's social? Can I say something? Can I say something about Bucky? I saw stuff in Bucky I didn't like even in Captain America First Avengers. Let me tell you. I'll tell you two things.

Two things I saw Bucky I didn't like. I saw Bucky as a hater. Oh, because he was taking all the women from Steve? No. When Peggy showed up. When Peggy showed, I saw Bucky as a hater. I saw a hater gene in Bucky. Sebastian Stan, avert your ears.

I saw a hater gene in Bucky. Tell you, I saw Bucky, I saw Peggy walk in, and she's coming there for Steve, okay? And I saw a hater in Bucky try to pull up on his man's girl because not his boy. But see, that's a reflex. That's a reflex. He didn't know if Steve had gained in him. I'll tell you something else. Second thing I saw in Buckey.

Just a little bit of Bail. Something, second thing I saw in Bucky before this, Steve needs a place to stay. Bucky and Steve talking. Bucky says, you could have stayed. with us if you wanted. You wouldn't have to do anything, but take out the garbage and shine my shoes. He says that, he says that to his best homie. Wait, where is he not saying? That's, that's, no, no, that's a Civil War. That's a flashback.

Oh, right. Civil War. He says, he says you wouldn't have to do anything. Oh, he's fucking with him. But take out the trash, shine my shoes. You mean to tell me, your man needs a place to stay. He didn't mean that. can't. This is bad. You know, Steve, this is bad.

This is your man's. Shine my shoes. Come on, bro. You're telling you, you're gonna make your man shine your shoes. And I know why they put that in there. They put that in there. I'm telling you. Don't.

To show you that Bucky was a little fucked up. Like, Bucky was a little fucked up. Bucky was a little errant. So he's a generational killer. He was a being to black folks. Like, you don't say that to your best friend. I'm saying, you know, like, Bucky was a little fucked up. That's hating your heart.

You know, Bucky. Like, Steve and she was. trying to do stuff, Bucky's trying to talk him out of him. Right. So you're saying a little slick side-hater. You're saying that we need the footage of him fighting Isaiah Bradley to really see his true nature. What I'm telling you is that you gave the goddamn serum to Steve and you got a great guy.

You give it to Bucky and you get somebody who can be molded into a killer. I don't think those words would have worked on Steve Rogers. Of course not. Of course not. Just saying, now I will give a little bit. it is maybe not fair maybe just maybe

it is maybe not fair and Jomi I'm not I'm not averting our side right it is maybe not fair to put Bucky to death

for the things of course not all I'm saying you guys but he does have to pay would you guys can we have a midnight truce do you think

that he should have to pay he should there should be some restitution like Ironman does deserve to get a little bit of his shit punch him in his shit kick his fucking Achilles.

Yeah. That's all we're saying. That's all we're saying. You've got to get a link back. I will say, if I'm Iron Man, I'm never looking at Steve. Ever again. Because I'm just like,

hey, bro, you didn't even let me just like, because here's the thing. Sometimes I know two of my friends, like one of a fun time, I'm like, I'm not going to break up the fight immediately. Like, I'm going to let them scoff. It's like, get it out.

I let him finish. No, you can't let him finish. I let them finish. No. Nah. Man, this is fucked up. This is fucked up. Defined finish, by the way.

If two of my friends are fighting, they finish the fight. Okay. Get it all out. Yeah. Get it all out. You can't leave with no resentment. You got to squash you here and man. Get it all out because if I step in right after somebody just got caught, it's going to be like, they might have another fight.

Yeah, but dude's passing out. Oh, you're picking the side now? Yeah, like, oh, man, what's up about you picking the fight? Hey, hey, stay out the way. Let them get it in. Let them finish. The fight only going to go like a minute at tops anyway until these niggas cardio don't hold up.

So I'll let them finish. I'm not going to get in the money. Hey, Van, get off me, van. Because if you hit me now. So I'll let them finish. If you two idiots get to the point to where it's this series, finish. And that's not what Steve did. This is true.

Steve picked aside. But also we know Iron Man like, Bucky taking two repulsorys to the chess is over. Bro, not the way that shit was written. They was kicking Iron Man and his metal dick. Yeah, they were, they were,

they really didn't have a chance. It was a 2V1 with two super soldiers. And he took, I don't know why. And again, this is Iron Man, he was a bigger straight because it wasn't until like the last thing to fight where he was like, analyze a fight patterns.

And then he started giving Steve, they were tossing the shield between each other beating his ass. He should have known Steve's fucking fight patterns. Already. Read the source material. In the source material, Steve comes up trying to fuck with Iron Man.

Iron Man says, hey, and I lost the way he's attacking. Steve fucking done. Just like, done. He put the beats to him, man, when he did that. It was, it wasn't really a fight until, what's the name, grabbed his leg at the end there, got him off guard and hit him with the shield.

All right, back to Gen V. You know, here's a deal. Charles, I thought it was a good season. Okay. You've been, I love how you've been economical with your words. I think a lot of people,

give us your take. Jormy already asked, we'll stay on it. Give us your take. I can't do this shit, though. You're just over the boys' universe. Yeah,

the problem is that like, Eric Kripke, I like the way they've designed this world. I want more, like, what we were talking about earlier, not to keep stepping on a marvel, but like,

this is what I want more shows to be like. I want people. to have the balls to fucking like, tell story, like fucking make me excited, like do all that shit. I just think, I don't like the boys. I like The boys, I like The Boys, I like Homelander. I like seeing all of them.

I like that game. Once you extend it too far, it feels a little Muppet babies-ish. There was a little level of like- You didn't like the pluck. There is pluck. You didn't like the plug. I don't mind this. I haven't thought about this.

The show, the puppets, the puppets, the puppets gets, I'm sorry, man. Like when it's, when it's black, Black-Noar doing it. I'm just like, oh, cool. Like, we did the cartoons, whatever, when they got the same shit over there. Do you know why the Pluck and GenVee

doesn't bother me as much as it does in other situations? Because they have to pay for it. Like, the thing that bothers me about Pluck is a lot of times they do the Pluck and then the adults have to come and save them. Right. And make up for what it is that they did. No accountability for Pluck. Yeah, exactly.

In Gen V, you do the pluck and then somebody ripped your arm on. Yeah, but then you get healed at the end of the scene. Also, I got to say, she was one of my favorite characters. This is one. Homegirl who got the by control powers.

Kate. Yeah, Kate. They did her fucking hair dirty. She ran up under that shit, bro. Because she got fucked up last season. Terrible, bro. Stop touching people with your hands.

Every time she does it. It's either Jordan or, Or, you said, the Jordan and Marie are, like, either blowing her hand up. That's your way. They're like, hey, stop. They were like, no, my power. I'm such a people. Hey, man.

She did kind of suffer this season because a better version of her power showed up. Yeah. Yeah. Like a mind control that's more that you don't have to touch somebody, that a better version of her show her. They had to nerve her because I was just like, because I was really interested in her care. When she turned bad in season one, I was like, oh, fucking shit. And then in this season, she was just like, all sad.

shit, she didn't have her power. She's like, be my friend. Well, it was an interesting choice to bring those characters back from the brink that had turned bad. And we're like with Homelander and then this one. Well, because I think there was an Andre size hole in the season where it was just like,

I think because of the actor's tragic passing, they almost needed more energy in the group. That's why it made sense. I'm like, oh, they got her sister. Now the other kids who are evil are going to come back to the home. Yeah, they brought back the dad. It did feel kind of just like,

oh, we need some more energy in the group because for a while, the beginning of the season, it just seemed like the trio. Marie, Justin, and then I think her name's Emma. Emma. Yeah, and I was just like, oh, y'all need some more energy to bounce off. I like the dad.

Polarity was like, he got some shit to do. Polarity was great this year. He was amazing. I'm shocked at how much, like, because he was very much secondary in the first season, but like, clearly they rewrote a lot around him after his son's passing.

He was a nothing character in season one, and he kind of brought a lot of, like, I was a little, I was a little like, damn, I kind of wish he would be to Professor Xavier and be around the kids. There's a version of this where that happens, man. Sean Patrick Thomas, who's done a lot of great work.

We've talked about it. Say the Last Dance. Remember, remember Cruel Intentions? Yeah, that's where I remember. Crazy movie. Remember cruel intentions? I love cruel intentions. Did you fuck?

Seale? Yeah. Remember, Cruel Intentions? Why are black people fuck with cruel intentions so much? I think it's because it's crazy. Bitch, how would you know? I don't know, because I know a lot of black people talk about it. Instantly, instantly.

Why do black people like cool intentions? Well, I don't know. What the fuck? Hey, I'm Mr. White Man. I know why black people like cool intentions. I heard of what you were doing about this. I listen to your fan. Let me explain to you why black people like cool intentions.

No, no, no, no, I want to hear it, Steve. I actually like down. Steve, Steve, tell you. Why do African-Americans like cool intentions? Because it's white people being crazy about who they were having sex with. And that's the right answer. It's a crazy soap opera. It's the right answer.

It's a white mess. Yeah, it's white mess. It's a white mess. Like, so I went through a period in college where I used to play that, uh, Bitter sweet symphony shit in the morning. No, that's the verve. The verve pipe. Uh-huh.

Bitter-sweet symphony is not oasis in any way, shape, or form. I'm pretty sure that that song? Uh, yeah. That's definitely not a oasis in any way. Bittersweet symphony, that's an oasis song. Unless it's not. It's by the verve. Yeah.

Damn. It's by the verb. You don't even know your white people use it. That's crazy. Wow. That was the biggest. dumb you I've ever seen. You're like, that not a waste is.

Wow. When I say I listen to the record every morning, I'm being real quick. Real quick. Real quick. Because there's the verb and the verve pipe. I've never seen this before, but this might be the first time of history. We got to take your white card away. You lost your white card.

You almost gained. You lost your white card. Damn, that's crazy. You, you on a sign now. You in the DFA. I'm undrafted. Yeah, yeah, you DFA. You ain't got no tea.

You ain't got no tea. You are waivers now. You are waivers now. Bengals call me. The Bengals. Yeah, so it's the verb. I used to play that bitch in the morning. And, like, every morning I wake up and play that bitch loud.

I play that. And then I play the Rock Wild, the Method Man. Wow, you're just... Well, what a dichot. Yeah. And I remember I was in the deal. It was like, hey, that's a nigga right there. That'd be playing cruel intentions every morning.

You all by a nigger room and you hear cruel intentions, bro. You like that song, huh? Yeah, nigger. Take the ball out, nigga. All you got to do is try my season. Take out the Garbage. Real quick, though. Speaking of the Sean Patrick, Thomas Care.

You fuck Cecil? That's, that's, hey, I want you to, I wish that we could play the scene when he walks in, outraged, that Ryan Phillipie has fucked Cecil. And did you fuck Cecil? I used to play that over and over and laugh so hard. Because he likes Cecil. He likes Cecil. I will say there was a moment.

where when Embo got really, really big is shit and she's just like, yeah, you got to see my tini's. I'm like, girl, you want to see it. You to T.A. and it's your teacher. Relax. She was trying to flirt with him a little bit. Polarity would never do that. Polarity not going to let that happen, man.

I thought to your point, you mentioned this earlier, the scene in the car with Polarity and Doug. I really like to talk about Andre. That was. I really liked that. That was, it was really, it was really. It was so affecting. And again, the show, this is how you, like, all season they've been dealing with, like,

the loss of Andre and polarity, obviously, that's his, that's his song. Like, he's been dealing, like, it's hurt him the most. But seeing, like, and being able to hear, like, your son was the best of all of all of it. Like, it was, that meant something to me, man. But I knew they was getting, they was getting rid of my man after. I was just like, that shit was so hardwarming. I'm like, yeah, you know, I'm like. Yeah.

I mean, I thought, like, maybe because I, Spoilers for Tass, maybe because I just watched Tass earlier, so six attacks. I was like, he's going to die in the car. I got to be real. The last episode of Tass really did hit me. That was, no spoilers.

I haven't seen it yet. Tass is special television. Locked. I haven't seen it yet. It was a little slow, but it's got in. No, it is. And, you know, Sir Krista Cole, I didn't know your game, bro.

I didn't know your game. So, Chris and Cole came up. He's kept in real. It was a dragon. I'm like, eh, and this shit? I'm like, oh. I don't think I can call him Chris and Coe no more

because the whole show I'm like, man, that Chris and Cole, I can't take them seriously. But these last two episodes, but just to wrap up, the Larry point. Why are you right this? See that you and I have some talking to do.

What's your problem? Where the hell do you come off hitting, Catherine? Ronald, you don't know what you're talking about. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Chaucon told me you fuck's a seal. I love the venom in this. She also told me, you fuck Cecile.

That should be a trend. She also told me you fuck Cecile. Sean Patrick Thomas, hit that up, bro. No, that's, so that's all I was getting to. That's your man. We went to the band book reading. Shout to George Johnson. Yeah, George Johnson and Eric Kripke.

And some of the cast were there. And the scene with Polarity and Black Noir, which, by the way, I love that Black Noir talk now. It's so funny. It's weird. It's really weird. I love it because he's such a nerd. And like the dichotomy between the old Black Noir and him is just perfect.

But we went to the band book reading and Sean Patrick Thomas there and is a huge fan of Van. And literally went up to Van the same way that Black Noir was talking to Polarity. It was like, man, I love your stuff. We were just being brothers. Nah, man. I got the picture. I know. He asked to take a picture with you.

Oh, we got to throw it out. But you don't want to paint a nigger. like he was being, we was showing love as brother. See, you're still early on. No, look at it. This man was the, look at that. Yeah, that's our guy. That's great.

But I will say, that's really. Yeah, you don't want to make it seem like this nigga was like, you know. It's just making, hey, two black brothers in the industry show love, right? You know what I'm saying? I really wanted to, I really was going to ask him to say, yo, I also heard you fuck to see it. You were not going to do that to him. That's my favorite.

Clearly. That nigger was so, man. I also heard you fuck Sassiz. Yo, you fuck Cecil? That's, he brought the niggerishness came out. Dog, you like Emma in front of the dude in the archive shit. Yeah. That's you.

That you. Secret MVP of that season, too. I love that guy. Chuck, you said you, you threw to it. Let's do it. All right. Midnight meter, y'all know what it is. One to 12.

One being the worst. 11 and 12. Reserved for fucking game changers. I'll start off with you then. A strong eight. A strong eight A granite solid

unimpeachable That's a little low I thought you would go a little higher No No No Not higher Like when I say a strong eight

I thought about a nine It's a super duper Strong eight A little bit of a week nine So I'm gonna give it I'm gonna give it an eight Jome No I gotta give it a nine

What do you go I got to get a nine I thought this was a pretty exceptional season of TV I had a watching it the whole way. I thought all the narratives and the threads were so interesting. And the way they tied it up at the end sets up a whole new season of the boys, which I am, I mean, I was already interested in, but now I'm really excited to see how those characters integrate with that world in a more full and fleshed out way.

So I can't wait to see the boys because of Gen V. So I'm going to give it a nine. I'm with Van. I was the strongest of eights. Absolutely. Like, loved this season. Really like more surprised at how much I like. it again as much of a great debut as season one was,

this continues it in great fashion. And I want more of this. This is great. Mm. Yes, it's a sex. Okay. That's all right. That's hard. We take those.

We take those from Chuck. We appreciate that. I'm not a monster. Y'all act like I'm a monster. No, no, no. A six is like, at this point, right, look, I think it's this, look, a great season of television. I think if you guys aren't watching Jim V, you should go out and you should, you should, you

You should watch GenV. I'm trying to right now get us an interview with one Mr. Eric Kripke. Okay. I'm reaching out. Trying to see if Eric Kripke will talk to us about the importance of Gen V, the future of the boys' universe. See if we can get old Eric to come on here. He's a good guy.

But yeah, great season of television. I guess what's next for the old Midnight Boys now? What are we into, guys? What do we want to do? You guys? We got Wicked for Good coming out. Wicked for Good is about to drop. We need to, like, we probably doing Predator Badlands, you know what I'm saying?

The Badlands or the Predator, fuck it. We have to decide it's on the bubble. Are we going to support our Running Man? You know what I'm saying? Glenn Powell. Oh, no, it's being done. We got to do it. It's been done.

It's been done. All right, then we're doing Running Man. You know what I'm saying? We might have a Star Wars recast. Star Wars recast coming up. All black Star Wars recast? Oh, yes. Yeah.

Oh, my God. Wait, but we have to, wait, we do have to pick which movie. Are we doing, like, Empire? Because then you get Lando. So this is what I think we should do. I think we should recast all six episodes. Oh. Okay.

So you got Palpi, you got Young Anakin, Ben Kenobi. I like it. Not going into 7-8-9. Leave them alone. Why not? But just not. Because that's like a four-hour podcast. So wait, so prequel and then the original OG trilogy characters now,

should we keep it like we have been keeping it which is like we are they are Disney is throwing us money to make Black Star Wars in 2025 So present day Hollywood Black Hollywood because it has to be because we doing we doing multiple Yeah yeah doing multiple

2000s 80s Why don't we do like original trilogy Prequel and Sequel trilogy That's too much That's a lot of parts I'm saying no no no a lot of pods One pot is original One pot is prequels

One pot is prequals One pot is prequels So do we have enough characters though I think absolutely. Why, I wonder, over, across the nine movies? Yeah. Well, essentially, over the first three movies,

the characters that anybody is the same is the same news. It's going to be like the kids I like doing the prequel in the original together. Basically, it will be interesting. Wait, does Darth Vader have to be voiced by a white man?

Absolutely. Yes. That's easy one too. Yeah. All right. Shit. That's, Darth Vader's voice is, that's one of the easiest castings.

There's one white man. One white man. One white man right now. I'm not going to spoil it. That is the voice of the voices of white voices right now. Huh. One guy. Ed Shearing.

Remember when Ed Shearing was singing in Game of Thrones and you were like, who is that beautiful voice like just singing in the middle of it was? You mean the dude who looks just like Ed Shearer? Wait, was that your first discovering of Ed Shearan? What? No. Oh, okay. What was that, Steve?

No, I'm asking because you're like, who is that beautiful voice? You're trying to get you back from him. I can see the edge. She's trying to get you back for the Oasis. That's crazy. This is what I love. He sat there, sure. I was.

He sat there. This is the music of my era. You was in elementary school. You sat there, sure. I'm like, no, it's not Oasis. It's not Oasis. You don't know Oasis. You don't know.

This is what white people do, especially when it's rock. They be like, no, no, no. You sure, you sure? You sure. I'm like, this is the music of my people. This is our music. Damn. Like.

This is our music. Have you seen sinners? Yeah, you don't know. You obviously went to the bathroom. And then I raise my hand, shame on you. Yeah, you have no clue what's going on. When we want to know who's saying, pick poor Robin clean, we'll come to you and ask you, and you tell us about that.

Funny. We love everything. Everything's great. I love how Steve was up and then he was down. Easy come, easy go. Because what he said about, what he said about cruel intentions actually worked. He's right. 100% right.

Love it. What a fucking podcast. That's a wrap. This week on the Ring of his feed. House of R. You got to pick up the can of you back there. I apologize. This week on the Ring of our feed,

House of Rory gives you their Buffy season to revisit. Next week, look at Star Wars Visions and Star Wars Black recast. Thought about this. Okay. Oh. Developing story. Should we let Steve recast the black characters

in these properties solely? I don't think that's a good idea. I do think it's a good idea. Yeah, I mean, It's comedy for sure. I think we cast everyone else. And then Steve is responsible for the, for the, for the, for the characters that are black with recasting them with white actors. I mean, you're part of the production team.

Wait. So he's in charge of Lando. He's in charge of Lando. Oh, oh, oh, okay. It's in charge of Mace. All Steve. I actually like this. I can only do the white character.

No, you can have, I mean, this is America. I have input. Yes. So we can't lock you out. if anything completely, really, you know, like, whatever. So you, you have input into other ones, right? But then when it comes to the black ones, I want to know who you think, or at least we'll start with you.

Right. I want to know who you think. I would love to say, like, do you have to, like, justify every pick? You're like, so clearly the white Samuel Jackson is. It's the same thing, but we start with you. Who does Steve think the white Samuel Jackson is? Who does Steve think the white, uh, uh, Billy D. Williams is? Who does Steve think?

Who does Steve think? We want to start there. Gotcha. Okay. It makes a lot of sense. It's a genius idea about it. That's a genius that you did great. Our producers are our latest in there is Jay Whaley, Jomey, Denner on our socials, hashtag.

Jomey Glaze. And additional production from who? Arjuna Ramgapal. Arjuna Ramgapowl. Very special. Additional production from Arjuna Ramga Powell. Give it up for Arjuna Ramgapal, everybody. Very special.

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