The Ringer-Verse - George R.R. Martin Sends Shots, Midnight Mailbag | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: September 5, 2024

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The pit. It is like one of those. Boss. Boss. Yeah, yeah, awesome. Question real quick. Yeah. Bruce climbs out of the pit.

Like, how does he get back? He's Bruce Wayne. I mean, I know he has no money, but like... He has no money at that point. I'm like, he doesn't have a passport. Maybe he has, like, some, like, some Wayne Enterprises, subsidiary's close. Some contacts. It's Batman.

Yeah, he's Batman. He probably got some shit around the world. I feel like he got his money back, too. He got money, man. I mean, that's an SEC violation, right? Like, somebody's going to be like, eh, that's fraud. I did not realize this until I rewatched. It did so long.

I did not realize, yo, Gordon and Bruce really, like, they passed the Harvey Dent law. Motherfuckers was locked up. They didn't give him another trial. I'm like, y'all are evil. Yeah. Nasty. Okay. We have a lot of Joker content.

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Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. There's a thing. I don't want to do it. I don't. Charles, isn't this anime?

Yeah. Why don't you fucking pick a side? So you're telling me this is a thing. Everybody thinks that an anime comes on. I'm like, Charles were like this. I didn't watch the Suicide Squad anime. I didn't watch Terminator Zero. That's different.

How was it different? Obviously the Suicide Squad anime is going to suck. Like, you can tell in the, you liked it. I didn't watch it. It's a Kai. I will never be there no matter what. I don't like when they do the DC characters or other characters in anime form. I don't like Batman.

And I'm like, if I want to watch Batman, I'm going to watch like Batman the animated series or like the movies. I don't want an anime version of Batman. But this Terminator Zero situation is anime everybody likes it. You have no interest? I don't really have much. interest in the extended Terminator lore. I like the first two films. It's similar to like aliens.

Like I like the first two aliens films. And once it keeps going, I'm just like, oh, this is just not where I want to spend my time. You feel like it's hoaring the IP after a certain extent. A little bit. Like you're going to get mad at me. Like even the Matrix. I kind of like the first Matrix and half of the second one.

And once it gets too big, I'm like, oh, okay. You're not wrong about that. I mean, I mean, look, you're not wrong about that. deepening the lore is, I'll be honest with you, it's cope for me. But at the same time, I like, I like it. I legitimately like learning everything that you can learn about any given subject. But you don't get there, you don't have a cap on how much lore you can keep up with it. No.

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Benning and Ed Harris now streaming on Paramount Plus. Space. So I get into, I fall into right now I'm all in on Game of Thrones, right? So I'll fall into different lords at different times and then I'll get re-sparked. It's like I'll get re-sparked into the lore. I'll get

resparked into it. Now, not everybody is like me. So if you just look at those three movies on their own, like, you know, the animatrix is great. But if you look at those three movies on their own, you have one and a half of the movies. You just do. You do. And it was very hard to understand.

But once I understood it, now there's smaller things that I get into and little many things that kind of a little bit make the worlds more palatable. Like, I'm just being for real. I'm admitting what you guys are saying. I'm admitting that I watch the three movies and I'm like, yo, the last one sucks or whatever, whatever. I watch The Matrix Resurrections. I'm like, this sucks. But then I learned more and it was part of my lore journey.

Are you saying? Do you think that your newfound love of the Game of Thrones deep lore is making you love the TV show more or be more critical of it? Okay, so I don't care about the TV show. Well, neither does our guy. We're going to talk about it. We're going to talk about it. I don't care about the TV show

anymore. All I care about is Prince Ragar Targaryen against Robert Barathean and everything surrounding Robert's rebellion. My sweet Prince Ragar, I want him to be

reflected and portrayed in media in some grand way. All I care about is all kinds of other shit that nobody cares about. I called Joe yesterday. I'm like, Joe, we got to figure out a way to convince them to do the Robbers' Rebellion movie. And Joe gave me all of these real reasons

why that's not going to happen. Wait, now I'm interesting. Give me like the top two or three. Why it's not going to happen? Yeah. Okay, so the Robbers' Rebellion story is like such an amazing story to me because it ends up being one guy fighting on a lie,

one guy fighting on the truth. And when they meet in battle, both of their emotions are clashing for equal reasons. And they so believe, they so know what they're fighting over that it then shapes the entire future of a kingdom. You have like stories under that where really the houses were unifying against the mad king. And they wanted them out anyway. They wanted a ringard to be the king. Dorn and all of this stuff There are all of these many things

It's really like a perfect story That's wrapped up in a love story It's the kind of stories that really people get into And they end up living like forever And it's kind of just background For what people would say Is the more compelling story Which is the Game of Thrones itself

The Song of Ice and Fire The Five Kings and all that stuff But she made a good point The point is that In the Robbers Rebellion story, you already have, you have Tyler Lannister in the story. You have Robert Barathean in the story. You have

Jamie Lannister in the story. You have all these people in the story and they've already been portrayed perfectly. It's like a recasting of loose guywalking. Yeah, they've already been portrayed perfectly. I mean, there are new characters that will come on. I mean, we didn't get very much a John Aaron. We didn't get any of the Mad King. Like, Danny and her brother

would be kids and all of that stuff. So some of that stuff doesn't matter. But there's a lot of other people, people, the House of Stark and the dad and the older brother, all of those people would be new characters. But there's some people that we did meet, Searcy Lannister, portrayed perfectly. And you'd have to recast them, and it might not be awesome. I mean, but I'll be honest, you don't think especially with George R. Martin's most recent blog post, it's hard for me to believe that they're never going to go back to that well. They will.

They're going to probably recast. and redo Game of Thrones at some point. They will. Well, I don't know about that. Hold on. Let me finish the program reminder just real quick. Also on Friday, because we'll talk about this, this is interesting. Also on Friday, the House of R continues their deep dive on Rings of Power season two,

which, by the way, I've been fucking around with Rings of Power 2 because fucking LSU lost. Now, my brother, I have to fucking get into Lord of Rings' lore. Have you been watching the show, though? I have never watched it. don't like the Lord of the Rings. But so... You don't like the movies. It's not for me.

Really? It's not... It's not bad. It's not bad. It's good. I'm a little with Van where, like, when I watch them, I'm like, I know what I'm supposed to be feeling, but it's not as cool as I wish it was. I thought it was cool.

It's good. It's a great move. You guys, please don't fucking get in my face. No. The fucking movies are good, man. You don't watch an extended edition? My favorite one is the second one. because it's going down.

Two togs. Two times is pretty good. It's, they're good movies. It's just not everything can be for you. It's not for me. All right. But now I have to get into it and I have to explore the lore

because fucking SC1. All right. Fuck you. And so today's show we have a mailback, some nerd news around George R.R. Martin and some thoughts about the future of the House of the Dragon. Now let's continue where we were at.

You say that you feel like they're going to go back and redo the game. Game of Thrones show that we saw. So this is like some people might recognize this. So there was a manga and anime that's very popular called Full Metal Alchemist. Full Metal Alchemist. But it did not get finished.

So this anime basically had to do this thing where it was like, we're going to just kind of make up the back half of the story. And then a couple years later, the author had finished it. So they basically redo the entire thing. And they're just like, this is the actual ending. I don't know if Martin is ever going to finish Game of Thrones, but I would not be, I would not be surprised if as he's getting older, they're like, you know what, in 10 or 15 years,

not only is HBO going to redo this series, but we are going to follow it more, this is the more faithful adaption, where they're going to do the thing where if we start with season one, we're going to be like, oh, we're including a lot of the stuff that they never did. And we are going to even their use. And I know people are like, well, that was the ending. Martin shared it with them, like, did it do, da, but I'm like, if you read the blog post we're about to talk about,

Martin has a lot of, I think has had a lot of issues over the years about what does and doesn't get in the show. And if on HBO, I think they're going to kind of be like, how many more prequels can we do? Should we just try to correct probably what is one of the biggest TV mistakes? almost ever. Interesting. That would be a tremendous undertaking. I wouldn't rule it out. That's a lot of work.

It is a lot of work. And it does undo. I wouldn't rule it out. It does undo some of the best moments and some of the best performances to Joe's point in the history of HBO. You don't think they would take pause with that? No, I think they would.

And I'm not saying this is a slam dunk. They're absolutely going to do it. But there is a part of me where I'm like, if I'm going to be honest, I think one day Lucasfilm is probably going to recast Luke. Like I do think, like, I'm still at this point where it's like, it might not be in five years,

but I do think that they're going to get to these points where they're like, we have all these new fans, Game of Thrones fans who are like, actually we soured on the whole thing, new generations who are probably like eight, nine, ten now who have no relationship to the original show in the way we did. You know what I'm saying?

So if I'm HBO, I'm like, you could do those last two seasons right. I don't know. I mean, you could, I feel like if they were going to, like, redo it to probably be animated, you know, it's a different medium.

You could, you could probably get the voice actors, the people who played the role and just have them, you know, do the voiceover. But ultimately, like,

that world is so lived in. Like, we're so familiar with that show. I mean, that was the show for a decade. Like, the entire 20 twins belongs to Game of Thrones. And so for us to just be like,

ah, Let's run it back. Like going to the wall won't be the same. It's a different wall. Going to Kings Landing won't be the same. It's a different Kings Landing. Going to Winterfell won't be the same. It's not the same Winterfell we know.

Like for new people, maybe, but for people who have like watched this show, know this show, go back, like, man, this is a cheap. All I'm going to say, if those other Game of Thrones spin-offs do not hit, I think that they are going to start looking at Rob. Because here's the thing. Maybe they're like, you know what? the rebellion, is there any way that we can tie this into a new Game of Thrones?

Like, is there any way that we could, like, actually, like, start fleshing out? And it might be a movie. It might not be a TV show. But I do think that they might start thinking of how can we go back to the story that people love and just make it far bigger? So here's the deal. So to your point about the animated point, the, that's what Joe was saying about Robert's Rebellion, is, if you did it animated, I personally think that would need to be on the screen.

So you really get the love story and you understand the stakes and you want to see actors emoted, but you could do it animated and you could have the actors come back and voice themselves and all that stuff. Me and Joe talked about that. The problem with what you're saying is,

there's one huge problem, is the red wedding. Yep. It has to be such a surprise and it has to be so galling to people. doing the Red Wedding over is like doing Luke, I am your father over, right? So it's like for that it would really be audience dependent. It would really have to be a brand new audience

because it was so shocking the first time you saw it and it was the anchor of the show in such a way that doing it again would kind of be like everybody knows what happens. It would not hit the same. I know you didn't read that. these books, but HBO is already kind of doing this. It's a little different, but they're doing a whole Harry Potter TV series.

And like, for me, I'm just like, we not only have the books, but we had very, very popular movies. And HBO is just like, it doesn't matter. There's a new generation of Harry Potter fans every single fucking year, they want something that's way more detailed. And I'm just like, oh, if the Harry Potter series does phenomenal, I do think they start thinking about this shit differently. they're like, you know what, in 10, 15 years, we might.

Well, I feel like Harry Potter is for like a kind of like a different age group. I feel like those were the books they're reading to us in, you know, third grade, second grade. Just getting y'all in the witchcraft, huh? Well, they read chapter one. I never. Just go ahead. Just get to take the kids. When Harry Potter came out, the black church, that was all we kept here.

And they're like, look at them. See, let me tell you something. This is the southerness in me. everybody else was doing Harry Potter and going here. I was in my 20s already, right, when that shit was, when the movies was coming out, they were doing whole sermons at the church. Anti-Hary Potter sermons.

Do you understand? The whole sermon. This Sunday, we're going to talk about this witchcraft. And I was like, it kind of put me off Harry a little bit. It's like, it did. It was like a brick of cocaine. She was bringing into the house. She was like, that's Harry Potter.

Just kidding. That's the worst. There's that sorcerer stone for you. Don't be talking about that shirt. Hey, Chuck, I got the Harry Potter for you. I got the sorcerer stone for you, my boy. Third grade, they got you out with the, what did they say? Conspirited and the, what they say?

They just read the first chapter. How do they say? My sister would be saying this, spaspedilapilana. What do they do? What do they say when they got the one? Expeleamus? That way, that's not how you say. No, no clue what he was trying to say.

Expellianus? That's what y'all. Expelling Jesus out of your hearts is what you were doing. Expelling. It's witchcraft. It's witchcraft. Back to the point. I mean,

Harry Potter, fuck J.K. Rowling. Let's get back to the point. It's like, that's for a younger audience. I think, like, you said, like,

kids and stuff, they're not, I was, again, third grade, they're not reading, you know, the George Aramon books in third grade.

I'm sorry. People are still reading George Armand. Like, not kids, but like, they got a lot of fucking. And it's like, they're not reading that.

in high school high school maybe but they're not going to read it's like they're fucking over people in game of throw they're cutting dicks off they're skinning people I'm talking about skinning people oh yeah the blog post for

Georgia Aramarton getting to it that's why we were talking about it this is why we're talking about it so let me pull this up so George R. Martin I think last week it might have been last week or a week before was basically like yo I got some thoughts about

House of the Dragon. He comes back with a blog post called Beware the Butterflies, where I think the quote that is most telling, there are larger and more toxic butterflies to come if House of the Dragon goes ahead with some of the changes being contemplated for seasons three and four. And he basically talks about the butterfly effect of some of the choices they made with blood and cheese.

I think the biggest one that he had. Maylor. Yeah, the biggest one was... Not being... A character that's in fire and blood and not in House of the Dragon. Yeah, and obviously, blood and cheese, spoiler alert, if you haven't seen the second season,

House of the Dragon, is this big kind of dramatic thing where they make Helen a choose between her kids. There were supposed to be three kids. There's not in the TV show. And basically, George R. Martin's like, here's the butterfly effect

that happens when you pluck out this character, and he talks about how Ryan Condole, they had a conversation where he's like, you don't understand. Like, if we add another kid, there's going to be production issues. It's going to be slower. There's going to be more money. Budget. And what I want to ask you, then, is this just kind of what Martin has done for years,

where he is always kind of like taking little pot shots when they change almost any aspect of his book? Or do you think that this is something larger of a creator being like, this thing that I built has become so profitable and so. fucking big, that the changes are coming so fast that I have less and less control of it. It shows a major glitch in the creative bridge and the creative foundation of the Game of Thrones universe. Major glitch. A major glitch that he would do this. Not necessarily that he has a problem with it, right?

But he's had problems in the past. He's had problems in the past. This was a very teased, very. very choreographed direct shot at the creatives making the show. That will make people be more critical of the future of House of the Dragon

they would have been. It's one thing to say they did something and I didn't like the way that they did it or this is the way I envisioned this or I wrote this for a specific reason. It's a different thing to say they did this

and it's going to weaken the show down the road. You are going to see a lesser version of what I created because they did this. It threatens the future of the show. And I don't remember seeing someone, I'm sure it's happened, that had Crafted Universe come and say not what they're doing is bad or what they've done is not what I want it. But in the future, this show is not going to be as good. That's pretty significant to me.

Do you think it's also an original sin where when they start making the Game of Thrones show, because the books are not complete and they had to start making, not making up stuff, obviously they worked with Martin to make sure like the ending was around what he wanted. Do you think that that's like not a butterfly effect, but it is like a domino of now HBO and the creatives are just like, what do you want us to do? We can, like, this is already part of what this series is that not only we are going to change. And obviously in any adaptation, a lot of things change, whether it's movie or TV, but they're like, dog, we already know it works. Well, they don't really, this is rareish for a creator to have so much like, say, empower things. To your point, because it's not done. Right.

Normally, they release the books. Then people go like, oh, well, watch the movie, watch a TV show. And then it get made. And then the writer afterwards goes, that was great. or that sucked. You know, for him to have this kind of power, this kind of say, it's kind of unprecedented, really.

And so he's willing it like anybody would, right? Like, imagine you wrote something and you were really proud of it and then they made it to do a multi-billion dollar show and then it was kind of wet. That kind of messed you up. You would talk. I'm different than Georgia R. Martin.

How so? Because, you know, I would create it and, of course, I would care, but maybe I would be somewhere on a boat. I'd be watching this shit. Would you have finished Winds of Winter? Probably not. If like that's...

Winter is never getting... If we want to be real soon. The worst thing for that getting finished is all of the success of Game of Thrones. Because number one, he is now fabulously wealthy, right? Which the books had sold millions of copies before this. But now it's fabulously wealthy, right? He wrote Fire and Blood when he could have been writing When's Winter, right? But also now,

is he is spending a lot of creative and emotional juice in critiquing what's on the screen rather than putting it into the story that he needs to finish. Now look, you guys, I'm just starting to read all this stuff. I'm not an expert. Joe, I was talking to Joe, Joe was telling me that there might have been some different holes that he's written himself into,

and some things that he can't really write himself out of. So it might not be as easy to finish as people are making it out to be. However, once again, I'll say this. To see him doing this tells me that he at least still cares about the universe. He still cares about it. It reminds me of Lucas, where it's like as Lucas, when it goes to Disney, when Star Wars goes to Disney, you can tell that even though Force Awakens was really, really popular, it's like, oh, I gave away my child, someone else raised it, and now it's making

a billion dollars. That's different, though, because he had finished, he had told the story that he wanted to tell. Lucas created the lore and then the movies as well. So he was the man all the way up. It was, the Disney thing was, he's exalted in a different way. It was almost like a retirement package for him, right? He told the first three movies, right? And then he, then the prequel.

He came back and he was like, I did what I wanted to do. If somebody else wants to do something else, I'll sell it. You guys go ahead and do it. It's not what I would have done, but I've told the story that I wanted to tell. But he's still a little salty that it's not hit. Like, I get the sense for Martin that he's a little salty too. No, Martin is different. Martin is not someone who's making the show.

So Martin came up with the ideas and made this whole deal. And then the compromises that have to happen from his situation, to go from, from his ideas to go from book to movie. He has no control over those. Lucas was controlling Star Wars in every single way besides the books and all of that stuff that was coming out. Extended universe. But they still had to run that stuff by him.

He still had to give his blessing on that. Right? He was the top dog in that. Martin is not the top dog. Like somebody else gets to really more or less interpret his work and then put it on the screen in a different medium that's almost brand new in a way. And he kind of just has to eat it.

They need him. They needed him to finish out the Game of Thrones series. But he really has no control over what they do. Whereas George Lucas, up to the point that we got to Force Awakens, could say no and then it was no. So let me ask you this, because I saw this. People were talking about this on Twitter and this, like, this theory has been around for a while so it's not new.

is there any part of you that thinks that Martin is also, I think Joe is right, like I've heard that before, that he's written himself into a couple holes that to dig himself out of is just almost impossible. But do you think it's the other thing

where it's like, actually the ending of Game of Thrones is so similar to what he wanted to do. And when people hated it, he's like, he's written himself into a corner now where it's just like, oh, people don't really fuck.

The way Brand happened, people don't really fuck with. The way the Danny and John shit happened, people don't fuck with. In a book, you can obviously make it better because you have more room. But do you think he's also like, do I even want to go down a bunch of these past anymore? Because the earth is so salted. I mean, he could. I mean, the problem was that it was six episodes, right? If it's, I, what, the show is probably like, what, 70, 77 episodes or like 60-some episodes, somewhere around there.

If the show's 80 episodes, it's, we're talking about it, like, it's one of the greatest shows of all time. Like, it is one of the greatest shows. I mean, people would argue that the last two seasons is kind of like, it's kind of like, Oh, fuck all that. If people, people, people,

no, fuck all that. Do you, is Jordan? Do you understand that 90% of TV shows and in a shitty place? You, you run out of story, man. It's like, I'm not there, but you, yeah, you run out of stories. Anyone who doesn't think that Game of Thrones is one of the

greatest television series, There's television events, television movements of all time, you're bugging. I get that it didn't end on a high note. But to Charles's point, very few shows I'll do. Yeah, if there's more, if, like, we spend more time with Danny and having her, like, into her psyche when she, like, finally loses it. It's different than, like, oh, she was in Dragonstone. Now she's burning people like King's Landing. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I think it makes more sense. But if Martin, and I don't know if he did, if Martin was just like, actually Arias going to kill the Knight King, if he sees that shit on screen, he like, Damn. People are. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He might be like, uh.

I want to go back to something that you, that you said earlier. You said that you wouldn't sell. So if Lathen film, if Disney called for Lathen films, I was like, yo, $4 billion.

Where me out? Who said I wouldn't sell? You said you wouldn't sell. Lucas? No, I definitely wouldn't. I didn't say that. That's what you run the tape back.

You said you wouldn't sell? No, I didn't sell. Nigger, I'm selling. What? Because I was like, $4 billion? No, no. I'm selling.

Like, y'all don't understand, man. I know. If I, if I said that, I apologize. It's over. So,

but no, but no, I definitely would. It wouldn't even take, here's the thing, I'd tell me, it wouldn't even take a billion. Like,

if I create anything, bro, give me a couple hundred million. I was like, after he, once again, George Lucas desperately wanted to come back

and tell a different version, you know, a different version. of the Jedi, all of that stuff. He wanted to do that. And then he did it. And then he got to a point to where, you know, for whatever reason, he wanted the story to exist in a different way.

He was getting older. He didn't have whatever it was to... $4 billion. Yeah, he was already incredibly rich, but yeah, $4 billion. And you do that. My point with that was that Martin is in a different situation. Yes. Martin has to hand his child over.

Lucas is basically sending his child to college. Martin has to hand his child over for somebody else to raise it. And George Lucas was, to your point, you are correct. He was the most powerful person in the Star Wars universe. And once HBO gets Game of Thrones and it's a hit, Martin is no longer the most powerful person in the Game of Thrones. I just wonder honestly, I wonder honestly how they feel the creators now about him backbiting them like this.

I mean, it can't be good. Just because it is a, it's a major thing to do for the creator of something like this. This has happened before to you guys' point. People that have the, who have created the source material, are very rarely happy with what they see on the screen. It just doesn't, they directed the movies themselves. Yeah. They made the movie, when they're writing it, they made the movie in their head.

They know how the beats go. as I'm reading Game of Thrones now, the story is told in a completely different way than it's told in the show. The show is a television show. And even some of the things that he was talking about in the blog post about why the character is missing, he says, well, look, they couldn't work with any more kids.

There's budgets and production schedules. None of that stuff is involved when you were writing the book. Yeah. The only limit is your creativity. doing a show, something in live action is just totally different. And so he should understand that and understand that that's the tradeoff that you make. He understands that.

He just doesn't give a shit. Clearly. Well, to me, that is significant. It's significant that he's trying to cut the legs from under the show or he's trying to erode confidence in the future of a show. And he's the biggest voice, the expert on it. It's... My last thing on this, is he trying to do that with the creators

or is this Martin also being like, hey, yo, Warner Discovery, stop being fucking cheap. Being cheap, they're spending, what the fuck? No, whoa. Whoa, we did, we did, we did, we needed two episodes. Like, they did cheat, they did cheat us.

Okay, I can understand what you guys are saying. Like, you know that this deserve 10 episodes at least. And they were like, they spending a shit ton of money on this show, though. I get what y'all saying, though. They, they did, maybe you could say that they cheaped out by not having to a... But to be fair, also, I'm not...

Here's the thing. There's a lie. I'm not shooting anybody, any bail over there. But we also do have to realize it was two of the most monumental strikes that have happened in Hollywood. Yeah. In years. Were they still going because they were off there in England or whatever? No, they were, but you have to think they couldn't...

They were still handicapped because their writer's room was not there. I guess. You know what I'm saying? They couldn't change it. We don't have to get into all that. Well, look, we'll see what happens. It was some news. that came out and I was like, oh, this how you're doing it, George?

Okay. What a little salty? What have you hopped on like Euphoria beat? Like, distract? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That'd be more writing than this guy. Hey, guys, you broke-ass motherfucker. Stop taking characters out of these shit. He should do hit him up. Take money. Yo, HBO. Fuck HBO as a staff of motherfucking network and the crew. Crew.

How's a dragon? First of all. Fuck you. too. My nigga dropped condo my name. Condo by name. Right.

I'm gonna fuck you too. He could be called the butterfly effect. He'd be in that bitch. That's hard. That's hard. Out of pimper butterfly. Out of pimple butterfly effect.

He had Ashen Coochard do like a cameo in the video. I hate the way that you talk. I hate the way you walk. I hate the way that you dress. Just cook. Ash, you obviously that. Butterfly Flip fake movie.

They never saw that shit. That was an episode of Scrubs. I was kind of like that. That shit is the craziest fucking shit ever, bro. That is a crazy fucking movie, bro. We don't ever talk about the era of crazy fucking movies from the mid-2000s and stuff. What was the child of Buffalo one-in? That was also scary that?

Disturbia? Yeah, was that around Butterfly Effect? It was a little bit, man. No, I might have been like 2007-08? 2008? That was later? I never saw Disturbia. I saw the butterfly effect.

I saw Donnie Darko. I saw a bunch of crazy-ass. That's a white boy. Crazy-ass white boy movies. I like Donnie Darko. Donnie Darko's my shit. I can't watch Donnie Darko, bro. Why?

Donnie Darko make you feel too, it's, it makes you feel too small, bro. Like, I can't. I had to watch that in a film class one time. I can't watch Johnny Darko, but. Donnie Darko makes you feel like everything about the, like, Don't make you feel secure. It's rancid vibes. Brat.

It makes you feel. We're leaving class. Everybody's like just like ours are like this, bro. Awful. Bro. But Jake Gyllenhaal was cooking in that movie. He was.

We got high at the crib and watched Donnie Darko one time. I remember sitting there like, no man, why are we looking at this, bro? This shit is fucking scary, dog. And the rabbit kiss,

ah, and you, and you, you just don't feel secure in life. When you feel like when you walk out the door, anything can happen. Exactly. Exactly.

Wait, what's the Then we gotta get to the mailbag What is the worst I got high and watched a movie experience you've ever had? Oh man, so Donnie Darko is one for sure There was this one movie from the 80s

And it was with, I think it was called Alice through the Looking Glass And it got a character in it called The Jabberwocky And I watched it when I was a kid And it fucked with me. So I always like to conquer fears. So it's like we had, I'm like, yo, we let's get high movie.

Let's watch Alex. Alex through the looking glass is at Tech. We're going to watch the movie. And this movie scared me when I was a kid. And they were like, oh, my God, this is going to be scary. Everybody gets hot. Because we used to get the girls in the room and we will watch Clueless and like lighthearted movies and stuff that play Mario Card, stuff that everybody have fun.

And then college things happen after that. But it was what happens. We are sex positive. Sex positive. I mean, not all in one room. I was about to say, I was like, I know it smells in there, bro. Like, God. Not all in run room, but we caught a girl over.

Sex positive, no judgments and so. But one day I decided I wanted to watch, like, Alice through the looking glass. And it fucked the vibes up bad. It was one girl started crying. Oh, no, bro. The movie is fucked up. It's a fucked up movie. I swear.

I think it was a movie, a TV movie. Do you know this movie? Y'all are too young. Way too young. Yeah, the movie is fucked up. And everybody, and one of my homeboys was like, that nigger Van can't pick the movie no more. You scared the hoax?

Yeah, I scared the hos in real way. It was like, yo, man, I want to, hey, man, y'all want me to walk y'all back to y'all room, man, this nigga Van, bro. Alice in the Glass or what? Whatever, man. Fuck this nigga, bro. You know what the greatest movie I watched?

Because they wanted to watch a high movie, whatever. What was it? During the pandemic, I had not. It was the days of the pandemic where I was scared if I talked to anybody I was going to die. Had not seen anybody. I was like, you know what? I'm going to get high and watch.

There will be blood. And the vibe in my apartment was, no, I love, like, it's a perfect. It's a great movie. But I was like, you can't watch this alone. You can't watch this. Hi. I was looking at Day-Ladale-Lews. I'm like, nothing matters.

The American spirit is broken. bro. You know what we're going to do? Br, nothing angers Kalika like putting on there would be blood. Nothing. Oh, we got to.

Oh, bro. Next time I'm going to crib, Kalika's around. You want to see Kalika get up and go like straight back to the back. Put on there will be blood. She doesn't understand the love for the movie. She doesn't?

No, not at all. I love the movie. I think the movie is like. Does she like PTA movies? Does she like Boogie Nights? I don't know if we've ever watched any PTA movies together. I know she hates Punch Young Love as well. Hates it.

hates it. Hates it. Hates it. Punch drunk love. She doesn't like PTA. I don't think she likes it. No, we got to invite fantasy over and just do a like

a double. Bro. She, like, I'll tell her, I was like, look, I need you to give me one more time.

Because she'll, she'll try other movies. She likes Tarantino? Nah, it's not her shit. You know, she's not into that type of shit, right?

Oh, you know what she does like? She likes Once Upon Time in, in Hollywood. Oh, you know what? We did watch. We watched. hateful later a couple of days ago.

She liked that. She liked the hate to... She liked the hate to... Also, she likes some of them. She liked Django? We saw that in theaters. I don't know if I could fuck with Jango. We saw that in theaters.

I like... I can't. It's just... It's a little too... To LaGona. It's... Seeing Django in theaters was not that enjoyable. Because I saw Jango at the Arklight.

We saw it in theater. Seeing Jango in theaters was not that enjoyable because of white people was having too much time. That's fair. Decafrio was too good. Like, DiCaprio was too good. and the white people were laughing too much. They were laughing too hard.

And it was like... Oh, you saw it. I saw it at the arc line and it was like, is that a nigger on the horse? I'm like, yo, what the fuck is so funny? What's so funny about that? What's funny? No, no, no, for real.

Talk your shit. What's funny about that? Meet me outside. In the theater? Me outside. She like reservoir dogs? No, she never saw that. Oh, that's the one.

That's the one. I would not like reservoir dogs. I love wizard far. Let's get to the mail bag. Let's get to the mail bag. Man, that's the movie for me. All right, Jomey, since you are the procurer and the curator of this mailback segment, I won't like you to go ahead and introduce it.

So we, you know, we put a phone number out there. We say, yo, call, leave some voicemails. We got a lot of interesting voicemails. Some of them were not that nice, but that's okay. I just had to sit through and listen to all of them. So, you know, what can you do? A motherfucker sounded negative ass. Wow, they were hot, bro.

They were mad. But some people sent some fun ones, some good questions. Kern, cue one up for us, please. Hi, every night, boys. My name is Brooke, aka Ocean Philly, across social media. And my question is about X-Men. So I recently watched all the movies for the first time, but I had actually watched X-Men 97 when it came out,

but then I started circling back to all the movies because he was deadpool and Wolverine. And so I want to know which movie is everyone's favorite. And I think the Kerm should be allowed to answer this for obvious reasons. Love you all. Yo, Kerm, come on down. Come on, man. Come on, Kerm.

I can't just answer for my mic right here. Gurm, you, this is video, you're trying to shine you. We're trying to put you on some shine. Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on, man. Kerm, you go first.

Answer it in poetry form. I see. That's what we're doing. I'm just joking. I'm going to just answer it from my seat. Oh, my goodness. Answer it from your seat. Go ahead.

Best X-Men movie days of future past for me. Absolutely. I would say first class. I love first class. Like, when I'm like, yo, I'm going to watch an X-Men movie. I'm putting on first class. The relationship between a festival.

Fast Bender, Jay's MacVoy, man. Gets me every time. Every time. All right. My only issue, because first class is actually a very, very, very good movie.

The thing that holds it back is like, so many, the X men are whack in it. That's true. Like, so many of them, like, like,

Professor X, Maggito, cool. And then there's a couple other, like, you know. It's like, how do we have havoc

before a cyclops? I understand why they do stuff like that. Yeah. I don't, I really don't get why they do stuff like that. Well, I mean, I think it is because,

you know, where, first, say like a kind of reboot sequel, whatever. But we've already seen those guys. They've got to like introduce the new foe or at least like, all right, it's new. Let people get to know these other characters. They already seen Cyclops and all that stuff. Like let's get to you.

Let's just don't do havoc. It's his brother. That's fair. Yeah. So it's really, really between X2 and Days of Future Pass for me. Same. I can't think of one. It's probably Days of Future Past.

it's probably days of future pass but X2 is sublime it's probably days of future pass for me I think I gotta go with X2 I just think X2 was probably I think X2 has gotten lost in the shuffle but for a while there I think X2 was actually when people looked at

oh not only can superhero movies be really really good but they can be serious and we can do like it's it's before dark night it is kind of like that first like oh these movies can a spot to be I don't know if I would call

X2 art now, but they can aspire for more things. And honestly, being in the theater and seeing the night crawler opening scene was nuts.

Was one of the most, I was just like, what the fuck? Like, we forget Wolverine versus Lady Death Strike in the theater. That shit was killer. I got to go.

I wasn't in the theater for that one. Yeah, he was too young. I was watching it on Channel 13. That's what. You stealing? No, what?

It was frankly, why are you going to? That was regular TV. Oh, I thought you was stealing an illegal box. I mean, you know. You know what? Nothing. We got another expect question.

Yeah, the Wolverine one. What's up, Midnight, boys? My name is Rose R.O.Z. Listen, I think the Wolverine by James Mangold is the most underrated comic book movie of the last 20 years. I want to hear your takes Give me your brutal honesty

But think about the first sec Don't hate Charles Don't hate Love y'all Fuck with y'all heavy Bye Wait so we're talking about the Wolverine The Wolverine not Logan

Is that the second? It goes to Japan It goes to Japan So you're seeing Silver Samarai I wouldn't say It's most underrated This is not a dip on chip

I will say though I really like that movie And I was surprised When I was like That sucked I was like, did they say that? I don't think, no, I remember. Maybe not Nat.

Maybe not then. They didn't say it sucked. I remember people being happy, but muted. It was a feeling of like where else is there to go with this character. Because I remember the Wolverine, people were like, oh, this is way better than origins. At least they got it. That's not hard. Yeah.

It's not tough. But I'll ask you guys this. I never return to the Wolverine. I watch it all time. You watch it all the time? Yeah, it's on a lot. And so. FX special.

Okay, let's do this first. FX special, yeah. Let's do this first. What are the most underrated comic book movies? Because he says it's the most underrated. And when you think about it, it is a movie that's really good. I think one thing is it was such a departure from X-Men Origins.

Serious, serious, filmmaker, taking Wolverine out of the environment that we knew him in, putting them in Japan, whole new backstory. It was taking that character in a more serious direction. But before we talk about this, because I think he makes an interesting point, if you really think about it,

what are the most underrated comic book movies of the last 20 years? I like the Guillermo del Toro, Hellboy films. Okay. I think those are very, very underrated. I'm going through some of the... Hmm. Because I get what his point is.

Because to your point, if we're just talking about most underrated people don't bring up the Wolverine, I think Logan kind of eclipses it in ways. So nobody ever, when he was like the Wolverine, I'm just like, I think, but also, you know what? Can it be the most underrated when the ending of the Wolverine is bad? The robot, I just remember the robot, so for Samurai. And I was like, this is. I thought it worked for the movie. Yeah, I thought it worked for the, for what it was. You know what I mean?

I thought it worked. Would Batman be Gins count is underrated now? See, that's an interesting one because I do kind of feel like we're to the point. point with Batman Begins where it's actually underrated now. Yep. Because the Dark Night and the Dark Night Rises have taken that franchise so much further that we don't think about how good Batman Begins was now. I do feel like kind of like it's underrated now.

So do maybe not, but Sam Ramey's Spider-Man films. Tom. Underrated? I think so a little bit. I think the Tom Holland movies. are not better to me at all. But I do think that because people think that Tom Holland is a more accurate Peter Parker, and because they ended with like bringing them all back,

people probably, if you ask most people, they would probably be like the Tom Holland trilogy is the best. When I'm just like actually Sam Ramey's, I think he's, especially those first two films, are still kind of better than almost any Spider-Man thing we've got outside of Spider-Rub. But how much does the third one weigh down, though? right you because it's i like that i don't hate the third one's not that i've watched one of the funniest superhero movies of all the time yeah but unintentionally but unintentionally though

that's not good it just it just it wasn't it wasn't a great way to end that trilogy the movie just didn't take itself seriously yeah the movie just like it got fuck it's almost like suicide by cop but it like they were like they were done with it like but this is what i'll say uh if we were talking about underrated spider man movies I think the most underrated Spider-Man movie is the Amazing Spider-Man One with Andrew Garfield. I think that's not too. I think the most underrated, I think honestly, I think underrated superhero movies would be the Amazing Spider-Man One. Then it would be the Wolverine, which I think the Milbagger makes a good point.

I'm warming to it. And then I think Batman Begins is probably not a bad call there. either. I'm trying to think of what else would be in there. Batman begins not a bad. I think the Doctor Strange movie is a little underrated. No. Yeah, it's the first one. I think it's a little underrated. I like the first one. It's hard to have an MCU movie that's underrated, though, because every movie gets met with such fanfare. It's fair. Oh, now I thought of it. What? Man of Steel, a little underrated.

Nah. I think it's overhated. You know it's overrated? You know what's underrated? You know it's utterated? Batman versus your man, ultimate edition. Fuck out. I fuck. I love. I'm with it. I'm with it. Come. I remember leaving Manor Still, leaving the I pick in Pasadena leaving Manor still going, did they do it? Nah. I knew, yeah, there's no way you like. I was like, did they do it?

No, but it's over, it's overhated now. It is overhated. Because I'm just like, that's actually the only Snyder movie, I think, that didn't go over, didn't cross the Snyder bubble. And everything after that is his worst inclinations. Bro, they just. had, man, Superman didn't smile in the whole movie. It was bad at the hotel. The Superman was upset.

They destroyed everything. The Krypton stuff is unbelievable. When I tell you unbelievable, all the Krypton stuff in that movie was unbelievable. And Shannon was unbelievable as odd. It just, it was this dower, hopeless, kind of awed. interpretation of the character. It's not bad, but it was like they didn't quite get there in terms of Superman. Underrated comic book movies up.

I can't say that the Wolverine is one, but I can't say that we got to a... That was a good question, because now I'm more... I wasn't on his side when we started and now going through it. I'm like, actually, the Wolverine is pretty like... I do think it's not, it is not the most underrated. But I think it could be in a conference. It could be in a top 10, probably. All right, let me say one more before we get off this.

Is the Eternals underrated? No. No. No. No. But you know what? I did that just for Jeremy. We are in,

we are in the totterms content-wise, hence why we're doing a mailback. I would do it re-atternals rewatch right now. Come on an eternal's re-watch. Come to the crib. Come to the crib. Pizza's wings. I'm not going to come.

I'm going to be there. We already talked about this weekend. Nope. Nope. No, not. Kerm not going to come. It's this Saturday. I'm there.

It's already in my calendar. Like, come to the crib, pieces's wings. We re-watch. you know what? Reach out to Jomey, but we can't do it on Saturday. Because it's a college football day. Reach out to,

reach out to Jomey. Tell us three movies you want us to revisit. We'll let them pick. Eternals is one. I think Eternals. I'm actually excited. You know, we need to revisit

just because the movie is coming out. We never did joke. We've never actually had a full Joker conversation. I think we should do it. I think we should. should. Oh, yeah. Bro, what, don't...

Give them the content, Joe, me. Get the fuck out of you. Like, we're just, we're gonna do it. You know, like, it's no reason... We'll do it. We'll do Joker. Give us more movies that you guys would like to see us revisit. Maybe...

And don't make them the good ones. I want, like, one of the comics of the movies that you're like, this is my ghost writer. Oh, I'm not doing ghost writer. Oh, Dad. I'm just... Ghost Rider? Hey, I like Ghostrider.

I had a fucking fun time in a theater. I don't give a fuck what y'all niggas. St. Cage, Evan Mendez. West Bentley as Blackheart. I don't give a fuck what y'all niggins is talking about. I have a, I had a fun time in Ghost Rider. And I don't want to watch it. I've never watched Jonah Hex. It looks so bad.

I never saw that one either. I'm not doing it. Ghost Rider is one we could do too, because I like that bitch. I don't give a fuck with none of y'all say. Let's go. Okay. All right. What's the next question? Do we want to stick X-Men or you want me to move?

No, we can do the fandom buy spot by a by Kirk. I have one quick question for you. What is your fandom blind spot? Is there something that you've never watched or read that you think you should read or watch? Or do you not care to fill that hole like Bill Simmons does with most of the things the ringer verse covers? Thanks guys. Love the content. Have a good day. So you talked about a little bit, Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings. I mean, it's not like I haven't seen it though.

I haven't seen it. That's not a blind spot. You've seen it. I've seen it. Harry Potter is one, if that could count. I've never seen any of the Harry Potter's. I haven't seen five minutes of any Harry Potter. If I see it on, I'll fucking flip the channel. And that might be because...

The Jesus got to be. The Jesus, they indoctrinated me. They was doing... It was a real thing. What's the difference between the magic and Harry Potter and the magic in Star Wars? Okay. That's a good question.

It's a great question. First of all, there really is no difference. I have to be honest, which is... I mean, all of this stuff that we're talking about is wizards and stuff like that. But it's because they're called the Jedi.

And when the black shirts here is witch, they're like, all right. That's the thing, bro. It's like that you got... Essentially, Obi-Wan is a wizard. He's a wizard. He's a like, you know what I mean? They call Harry.

Harry's the chosen one. What should start calling? Harry. Witch, the Chosel? Man, Harry, and they also using, whenever they actually use spells, see, the force, really when you use the force to, when you use the Jedi Mind Trick, really you're casting a spell to make somebody forget.

But when you actually cast the actual spell, when you go zim-zim-zab-b-b-b-b-b-s. You're speaking in tongues. You're speaking to tongues. You casting spells. You're calling demons. You're doing all that time. Bro, I never forget, bro.

Amen. I got to tell it, bro. Shout out. Shout out. What's in his house talking about some God? What do they say? What do they say for real? Expeleian.

What is it called? That's not what he said. Don't they say something else? They say it. A lot of God, bro. No, man. It's another one. It's another popular one that he said.

Stupify? Right. His mama, like, woke up and snatched this little niggit. I mean, I don't know. I'm not trying to... Bro. Yeah. All right, I'm going to go over them.

Expecto Petronum? Nah, it wasn't that one, bro. Of otta cadavera. No, no, no, no, no. Wingardium Leviosa. Was it that one? Was it that one? I think it's Wingardium Leviosa.

It makes you float? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wingardium. Bro, he came to, and he kept saying it over and over again. We playing the game. His mom, what?

She popped up. Get your ass over here. And what, brun, snatched him the fucking hangar that he was using as his wand flew. Because he had a hanger. He had a brown,

he had a brown hanger that he was using as his wand. That bitch flew. And I was like, yo, what is he talking about? And his big brother who was playing the game,

he was like, man, that little nigga obsessed with Harry Potter, but, you know, Mama don't want you. She said Harry, she don't fuck with Harry,

bro. She's say Harry is witch crap. A little nigga was crying. God. Like, bro, I bought him the Harry Potter book later on, bro. Because he, he love Harry Potter. But, like, they really wasn't fucking with it.

So, I mean, that would be mine. What about you? Harry Potter. Harry Potter. You never write Harry Potter? No, I never, except for the chapter they read at school, that was it. It's the witchcraft Christian shit. I was too much.

I was in the sports back then, like, really, like basketball and stuff. So it wasn't really like, I wasn't locked in at all. Oh. It wasn't there for me. And then by the time it was like, you got to watch Harry Potter. I was like, eh, the other things I could be. you doing. I'm in college now. I guess time to live my life. You know what I mean? Honestly, I want to say most of mine would be like probably on the video game side.

Like probably like Halo, Grand Theft Auto. There's just like a bunch of games that I just didn't play. You never play no Halo? I played Halo before. But I never like, I could not do the thing that like, where you can sit down and just play a game. Oh, I see. You know what I'm like? I don't have the attention span to just like sit there and like devote myself. I'm always just like, I got to do something else. So, like, probably, like, any of the games that have probably come out, I'm like, I had to go back and, like, play God of War. Like, I went back to a couple years ago and, like, was like, all right, game one, game two. Halo was responsible. Halo 2 was responsible for one of the most pathetic scenes that I've ever seen before in my life to where I realized I needed more out of my life.

So we used to play video games, right? We play video games crazy. Like, whatever was after school, after practice, we go over to Dedrick's house, or we go over to, my house, we go over to Ryan's house, we play NBA live, we play Madden, we play FIFA. When the first FIFA came out for like the Genesis, you don't know

nothing about that, nigga. I know about FIFA. Yeah, when the first people came out because they had... Wait, did you play Sonic 2 on Genesis? A little bit. I love Sonic. We played, so we played Sonic 2 on Genesis. What was the, was it Shaq? Which one was the Shaq game where you could be like a martial artist? It was Shaq Fu. Shack Fu was terrible.

So we all played the game, and we came up playing the game. PlayStation came mind we came up playing a game. And then there was this one moment that we was all at Ian House playing Halo 2. And I looked around and I noticed something that we were all in work uniforms.

Like, I was in my Best Buy uniform. He was in a singular wireless uniform. One dude was in his uniform from UPS. One dude, like we got off work and came straight to Ian's house. and everybody was just playing Halo drinking, doing the thing.

Benny from next door was over here. Everybody was in work uniforms and we playing Halo. We're going crazy. And I'm like, I got to do better at life. I can't do this. I can't be, I could easily look up. I never forget this.

I could easily look up and look at this and be like, this could be my life for like the next 10 years. The Van Lathen Biopic, the moment. you realized to change your life is you played Halo in a Best Buy uniform. I need to change. I'm in a Best Buy uniform. I got Izzo's illegal burrito and some chips.

Everybody got different little food. And we all that. We passing the sticks, but we grown now. We 24 now. We 25 now. That's not your... Like, I thought you were like...

Like, that's not... Nah, hell not. But I was like... And look, a couple years later, I moved to California. Like, it's like, we grown now. I'm looking at my... I'm like, I'm like, bro, it just didn't feel right. Like, I didn't feel like a kid no more.

But it was up at 1, 12 o'clock, one, playing Halo, going crazy, crazy Halo sessions, Halo 2, going nuts. Going nuts, it changed my life. That one moment, I'm like, I got to do something else. Because I can't be in this bitch when I'm 34, 35 years old, which I still do play the game all the time. I was playing it this morning. But I can't be in the half time.

Playing it during half time. time of the game. I'm obsessed with Role to Glory. So, but that actually changed my life, but that's how much he was playing Halo 2. God. Different rules, different maps, all swords. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, just all swords was criss. Did you have a favorite Halo 2 map?

I can't remember. But I do remember, I can't remember the names of the maps, but I do remember, I can describe the map. It was the one map where it was the big tower in the middle. You know what I'm talking about? There was a tower, and there was a, it was a wide open map outside. Yeah, it's ground.

Yeah. It's like, you know, yeah, kind of, I think there was a wide open map outside. I cannot remember the names of these maps. I'm sorry. There was a wide open map outside,

but there was a tower in the middle where the sniper would go. Okay. And there was a little under, that was my favorite one to play on. There was also the swords one that was basically underground the whole time,

like he was in the sewer or some shit like that. But I cannot remember the names of these maps. I'm not even going to try out. Shout out Hilo, too. It was so much fun. A lot two.

The Lodoo too is great. Let's get to the blade question. So I'm Midnight, boys. This is Stephen. For the new Blade movie, obviously it's gone through a lot of trouble. And frankly, I'm not sure if there's a director tied to it. But I'm thinking about fancasting some directors to take on the movie. My suggestions are, and I'd like to hear your takes on,

whether you'd be most interested to see this director takes the movie. These directors include M. Night Shyamalan's Blade, T. West's Blade, Robert Eggers, Blade, Jewel Taylor's blade and I'll give you one more even though he probably would never do it Quentin Tarantino's blade which one would you be most interested in seeing

thanks All right so we're gonna have to go Can you list them all again There was Quentin Tarantino Robert Eggers M Knight Sean Malon Get Tarantino out of here Wait hold on we got it How many NWords

Yeah now here's the thing They'll call Behurst law all times The stuff in that movie man No no no And this is nothing against Tarantino. I love Tarantino films, but A, that motherfucker is not making that many, so I'm not wasting one on Blade. And to your guy's point, I don't need Blade just.

Because here's the thing. You know what? It's not just Blade who's going to be saying the N-word. There's going to be a bunch of, like, white Marvel characters that's going to be calling motherfuckusk his dick. Can you imagine? Oh, they bring in Steve back. They bring it. Can you imagine, like, fucking Chris Evans comes back.

He starts calling a Hershey. Like, no. Actually, I watched that. Funny, he goes to the government. We ain't never seen a nigger vampire before. Blade is confused. Blade is like what? Samuel Jackson, Big Free go be that day?

Oh, my goodness. Oh, my God. That's special. And remember, remember, there was some talk about setting this blade in like 1919. So if they set the blade in 1919 and they set the blade in 1919, and like it's going to be a whole nigger vampire arc. Oh, man. I mean, that's literally Michael B. Jordan and what's your next movie?

What? Ryan Googler? Yeah. Nigger vampires? I don't think that's what it is. Is it, is it, is it set in the past? So it's set in the past. It's in the olden days.

And they vampires. It's going to be the greatest movie of all the time. It's going to be the great movie of all the time. It is, bro. In an interview with the vampire, they said, back there and it cooks and it's cooks it's good it is fun it is funny that he has to deal with being

a vampire and being black at the same time he has a deal with he's got two different he's in two different classes he's got to deal with being a vampire you know and being black it's funny and he got to deal with being a single dad at one point and he got to be bruh

single dad and he's gay he's a gay black vampire in 19 fucking 19s in I don't be real. If I was Louis, I'm like, bro, I got to, I got to pick one or two. I can't, like, I can't. I'm like, the whole, that's three.

The whole world, they like, they hate you because you gay. They hate you because you black and they hate you because you're a vampire. He can't. Like, come on, bro, that's a lie. They're against him. He can't get the right contracts that he needs for it to open shit up. It's just a funny. And that would be funny to explore with Blade because Blade is a daywalk.

He's the most powerful vampire, right? So it's played Like being on the vampire Chitlin circuit is funny That's the blade I want to see You know But but I mean Who were the other directors

It was Tarantino T-West M-N-Chamalan No No No Shaman Because it's gonna be a twist It's gonna be a twist at the end

Shamelon can't Nah it can't You want to know It would be the funniest M-N-Shamelan twist What if we were like Watching Blade And then halfway through

He gets like a vampire disease and he starts become a light skin. That's crazy. Blade turns white by the end. That's this, I mean, blade turning white by the end would be crazy. It's crisp eye. Yeah, that'll be crazy.

It starts off as a rehearsal a little bit at the end. But no, no, let me tell you, this is a twist. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, this how you do it. This is how you do it. This is how you do it. So they do interview with a blade. Interview with a blade? Okay.

And it's a guy telling Blade's story. to the interviewer. Is Chris Pine telling Blade's story to the interviewer? I'm already in. It's a M. Night Shyamalan movie, right? Then at the end of it, the interviewer says, how do you know so much about Blade? And Chris Pine goes, I am Blade.

What? Billion dollars. Billion dollars. Interview with the Blade. He turns white by the end of the movie. That's a great scene. The sunlight disease. he's got to me, I am Blade.

And it turns out, and then they get what they want. Robert Eggers also, I think Robert Eggers is too talented of a filmmaker for, like, not take, like, here's a thing. You need a talented filmmaker for Blade, but I also do think you kind of need someone who at this point kind of knows what the MCU is. You know what I'm saying? Robert

Eggers is not going to be like, oh yeah, I'm a left Faggie, just tell me what to do. You know what I mean? Who would be a director out there who you're like, is talented, on the cusp, could do a good Blade movie, but can work within the MCU. Well, I mean, if I...

I don't know about work within the MCU because I think this guy has done a lot of good things, but if we're just talking about, like, what's the popular thing? It's like how hard it's a blade movie to make was just like a freaking black half vampire ninja doing stuff, right? I would go with Wilson Yip,

the guy who directed the IPman movies, I think. Edmund? IP man. IP man. IP man. IP man is hilarious. That's funny. Doni again, IP man.

That's how you know Johnny Jr. That's how you know Jomey a nigga. Hey, y'all seen that IP man? That nigga IP man is crazy. You seeing him? That nigga trained Bruce Lee. That nigga trained Bruce Lee for real, bro. They talk about that shit in the movie, bro.

Hey, come over the night and watch that IP man. Is it man? Van, stop trying to be smarter than us. Honestly, one day we're going to have a depressed movies draft, which are the movies you watch when you're depressed. Itman is one of them. Really? Yeah, I'll just put on...

I love it, man. I love it, man. It man. Now what I'm depressed. Bro, I love it, man. It man. It man, crazy, bro. Yeah.

It man fight Mike Tyson. I love, bro. I love it man. My barberer told me about it man. My barberer was like... That's a barbershop movie. Yeah, it's like, hey, bro, you seen that fucking it, man? Like, what?

That nigga, it man. That's all the other than they say, he trained Bruce Lee. He better than Bruce Lee. What you'll call it? Who did, who did, uh... Blankin on the name, Monkey Man. Dev Patel? I think Depp Patel, actually,

like, I'm like, if you give him a budget, he's still a new enough director where I'm just like, you give him a big budget, you give him a canvas, he already basically knows how to make a martial arts movie, I think you could be like, oh. That's a little bit too much for him right now.

I think he needs to get his beak wet a little bit more before he dips into something like that. I'm trying to. But here's the thing. Most of the Marvel, most of the MCU directors that we kind of grew to love only had like one or two movies under them.

They had, well, not rule the Rousse says came up through TV James Gunn had done like all the trauma stuff how many did Cougla Cougola had two right Coole had to Coole had to Cooleville and yeah Crete

But Creed did help because it showed he could do action like a big I mean the people who directed the first Captain Captain Marvel only did one film You do you do want to try to have Do you does it Before I say

that, let me ask. Is it important to have a black director, direct blade, or director of color? I actually don't. I think the martial arts, it would be great. I think the martial arts of Blade and getting the action set pieces and the vibe, the tone

of it, are more important than the blackness. Because I don't actually think of, Blade is a black movie, but like, I don't think of it in the way I think of Black Panther, if that makes sense. Like, Blade is just a good 90s action movies. What's the most important part

about that movie to get right? Is it the horror aspect? Is it the martial arts aspect? Is it the cultural aspect? Obviously, you want to tell a coherent story, but that's why Gilmo De Taro was so perfect for Blade 2 is because he's got that sensibility that allows him to be able

to weave all of those things together. And I guess that's what they're looking for now. I think it's a tone thing. Because one thing that I think the original, the first two Blades have that no MCU movie has, has there ever been a cool MCU movie?

Like, Blade is cool. Like, Wesley Snipes as Blade is... I feel like Iron Man. Iron Man's not a cool movie. Iron Man's an entertaining movie. I mean, I get, I mean, that's such a... That's such like a...

Like, one in a thousand, one in ten thousand type thing. Dark Knight is a cool movie. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a, like... Not really. I think so. Dark Knight is what? a cool movie?

You don't think it's cool? Why isn't it cool? I mean, no. Because I... What you mean cool? Yeah, like, I think it means like, when you're like, man, like, Wesley Snipes, Blade, this is... This is, oh, man, like, that type shit.

Even when you see the cinematography of the Blade, I'm sorry, going into a club and it raining blood, like, oh, this is cool. Sick ass shit where you're just, like, no MCU movie does that. Like, they're tonally, they're not there. And I think what they're actually trying to search for is, like... Well, they never had. There was a Disney thing before. You can't rain blood.

But even the closest that they probably ever got was like Winter Soldier in terms of just like a movie that you're watching. And you're just like the action, the tone, the cinematography makes this cooler than it is. And like as the MCU movies progress, they get more popier. They get more colorful. Jesus Christ, man. This podcast is like fucking serotonin for me. I was having such a bad morning. Y'all don't fucking.

I'm having such a great time right now. This is a good episode. No, I'm not hating, but like, if you think about the difference between Winter Soldier and Civil War, they're kind of massive. Captain America's world goes from kind of like very small and spy into like Iron Man and Scarlet Witch are like flying around and Spider-Man is quips. Like what's the last movie that Marvel has done that even could be like a corollary to what Blade needs to be? I think that's tough because I think Blade exists in the world where we didn't have all this superhero saturation. So Blade could exist on its own

without being burdened by like the other things happening around it, right? Like when Blade first again, Blake comes out with the blood spraying in the club. He ain't ever seen that before. Oh my gosh. What is this now? Like, you know, Iron Man Superman, whatever does something. We're like, yeah.

You guys, I mean, we spent a lot of time on this. We need to move on. But I'll say this, though, this is the reason why they're having trouble making the movie. Because you don't know how to fit blade into what the MCU already has and maybe you shouldn't even try, right? Maybe you shouldn't try. Like, Deadpool and Wolverine obviously is like insanely successful, right? It doesn't really try too hard to be an MCU movie.

And it's a detriment to the movie story-wise, honestly, because there's not enough continuity in it. But in terms of it was the right decision, it was the right choice for them. to just make a movie that was kind of a plot-wise a nothing burger, but that delivered on what Deadpool has become. The first Deadpool has a ton of story. The second one has less, and this one doesn't have as much anymore. But it's what people kind of want it.

With Blade, I think the question is like, what do you want from a Blade movie? Because if you want, if we're comparing it to the old Blade, then that first one is actually a small, contained, gritty movie. There were zero expectations. Okay. They don't know if they can do that in the MCU. They don't know if people want that from the MCU.

But I actually think that is like, that is the thing that the MCU needs. That's an, that's a underworld Los Angeles movie. That's what they need. They need that type of like, oh. Where is it San Francisco? It's LA, right? I think it's, is it LA or the Bay? I didn't tell you.

Blay one. Anyway, go ahead. No, I think if you think, it's kind of that thing when people are like, what is Drake to do now. What's the thing that people have been telling Drake to do for his entire career? Can you give us the classic rap album that's like 12 tracks, no fat, just rap, just give us, like,

just give us the thing. And I think what's it said? Selling, it says, although most of the filming and for Blade took place in Los Angeles, it says that the movie is actually set in New York City. What's set? I don't think of

I don't think so. Yeah. Okay, go ahead. But I think what the MCU needs now more than ever is like can you make a small contained story that is entertaining from front to back that is just a movie on its own what's the last mccc movie that you watched that you can remember stands on its own iron man stands on its own winter soldier stands on its own black panther stands on its own it's been years when you say stand on its own what do you mean like you can turn it on and it works as a movie in a vacuum without the other stuff where it's like

what's the last MCU movie entry we've got that hits that. You don't feel like Infinity War does? Every single time I try to rewatch Infinity War it gets harder and harder. God damn. That's got to be impossible.

It gets, it's hard for me to finish them. Why? I'm interested. I love what Infinity War does but I think A, on the smaller screen, some of the like it doesn't, some of the stuff doesn't age as well. And I think I don't know if Infinity War is actually a movie. That's where I've kind of

circled around where I'm like, it's a great experience. But there's too many things going on in the movie for me to be able to sit down and be like, oh, I'm invested. Whereas like a Black Panther, I can watch it. I'm like beginning, middle, end. It's just about these characters. I don't got to worry about anything else. And that's not me saying Infinity Wars. Like Infinity War is one of the greatest comic movies of all time. But to me, you know what it is? It's listening to my beautiful dark twisted fantasy where I'm just like I know I'm supposed to like this

but the more and more time that passes it's like I know too much about this I've watched it too many times it's not actually the thing I love about this artist the most it's just the biggest it's the height that they're never going to reach again where I'm just like I'd rather watch or listen to the Jesus

or like fucking damn that Jesus is rushing contract to the music bro you don't like Jesus Bro, he's my favorite. Bro, that Yeezus is like the Taken soundtrack. That shit is... Like, it's like a nigger.

It's like a nigger in the Ukraine, like, sharpening souls. People came around on that album. I remember when it first came out. When it came out 2013... I'm not saying it's whack. I'm just saying, bro, Yeezus is for... What's that movie with Chris Hemsworth that came out?

Nah, the one that came out during the pandemic. Extraction? You know the niggas he was fighting in extraction? They listen to that. Jesus, bro. Would the director of extraction make a good blade director? Maybe. He might. You actually

that, we could move on to the next question. I actually think that's the answer. You probably need like a journeyman action director who was like very, very good. Like, honestly, extraction type blade, like a like a John Wiki type. It's probably just what you need. A lot of good set fucking. Oh, well, your man,

Chad from, I don't know how to say his last name. Chad Sehousky? Chad Sehouski, maybe. Yeah. I think Chad Stahouski would make a really good fucking blame. I think he will make a good blame. We got to get the script right. Good question. I get the script right.

We got a, I'm sure we're running long on time. Let's do a couple more. Let's do the sidekicks question from Vante. Yo, what's up, midnight boys? It's Avante called us from Chicago. Oh, man. Y'all doing guys work, man. I appreciate y'all boys, man. But my question is, so which level of sidekick would you want to be?

So you could be like street level. That's probably like a speedy red arrow type. Or would you want to be like the world threat level to handle the bigger problems like War Machine or Nightwing, Falcon? You know, because they all come with their own problems. So would you want less of the smoke or would you want more of the glory? So y'all let me know y'all. I appreciate, y'all.

Y'all have a good one. All right. So if I'm going to be a sidekick, it's got to be War Machine. let me tell you why. I'll tell you why. Okay. So who would a side kiss he named again? Can you like War Machine for like one of the like, would you be a Robin?

Would you be a Superboy or Supergirl? Let me tell you why I would be a War Machine. It's because War Machine and Tony have a more even-kill relationship. War Machine represents he's like a major or a colonel. He's a colonel. dream bro. So he was being that he's a colonel, he actually has some sort of authority in the relationship over Tony. Like if you look at Iron Man 2, they're in the little area and he's like, this is where you don't want to be. This is the kill zone right here. This is the kill box. You get

out of here. We should go somewhere else. And they're trying to figure it out between them. Like Falcon is different in that, you know, Falcon is like, Captain America goes, where are we going to go? And Falcon goes, this is where we're going. People that end up shooting at you end up shooting at me too. Like, you sure we don't want to do this? He says, I do what he does just slower. I can't be that kind of sidekick.

I'm sorry. I can't be that kind of. Look, Falcons about to get his fucking do. It's his time. It can't be that type of sidekick, though. And here's the thing. I think everybody would rush to be like I would want to be like a Robin or nightwing sidekick.

And the reason I would it is because, Because Bruce Wayne damn near running, like, the fucking NBA of superheroes, where it's just, like, you got your prime. You might be robbing for two or three years. And there's a guy right on your tail. There's a Jason Todd. There's a Tim Drake. There's a date. Like, can you imagine you?

Man, think about Bruce going to the hood. Scouting. Bruce Wayne. You think there's a scouting got them, bro? There's, like, rivals? Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne pulling up to different orphanages, going to the... He's a four-star.

He doesn't have the agenda. He's going to South America. He's watching them play baseball. He's like... He's making the kids fight. He's like, he's like, that kid over there. He's see what he said. Like he whispered the niggas ear during the fight.

And Batman versus him. He's making him fight. Alfred, let's go away. Billy Jenkins Jr. He looks like he has the darkness in him. I'm telling you. But here's the thing. Bruce is also like one of those fickle GMs where he's like what he wants from a Robin,

what type of player changes. Like he's Dick Gracie. He's like, oh, he got all the intangibles. He started young. He's an acrobat. You get to Tim Drag. He's like, I want a cerebral thing. Yeah.

All GM, you miss sometimes, you know what I'm saying? Jason Todd was him. As I'm saying, you get a Dick Grayson sometimes. Then you get a Jason Todd. You know what I mean? But you're never going to the league with a Damien. He's too wild. He's too unpredictable.

That's your son. You got to bring him up. It's kind of like a Bronny thing. That's Bronny. You got to come up. brawny. He's like, he got to come down. Let me tell me why. Let me tell you why. Whoa, no, no, no, no. He's kind of brawny. He's kind of brawny.

He's kind of brawny. Yes, he's not a brawny. He's way too talented. God. Damn. Okay, let's go there. Damien is, Damien is the best fighter. Damn near that. He is. But he got, he got a fatal, he likes to kill.

He got a fatal flaw. Like, he's flawed, is what I'm saying. The rest of the robbers was cool. Damien, like, is it, bro, I wouldn't be surprised if Bruce has come back to the fucking mansion a couple of time and Damian been in there killing cats doing all kinds of crazy shit. Damien loves animals. He wouldn't. Damien likes to, he's brawny because you're bringing him alone despite obvious flaws that he has. Oh, yeah.

Not the first pick, but like that's my kid. At someone, I'm rereading Batman's son, you are exactly right because it's like Bruce already got the team. He got Tim Drake. He got Nightwing. The first thing Tim Drake does, if they're the Lakers, he sees him bring Brannie, and he's like, who the fuck is this little nigger, bro? Who's not my? He's not my.

And like, Bruce is trying to be like, he ain't even robin. We just, we just taking care of him. Don't worry. A couple of episodes later, you like. Niger. Hey, you know, start minutes, yo. This is my son. Hey, this is my son.

We've been doing a robin thing. I know I got a pull-john. This is my son, nigga. Go fucking wax the badmobie. Go take this McAfee and go debug the computer. It's going to take you five fucking months. It's my son. Oh, my gosh.

All right. All right. You want to know, there's two, there's only two answers to this. I think the first is you could be a Miles Morales type. Is he a sidekick, though? Does he count as a sidekick? Seriously, I'm asking. I mean, if we're going from the comics, honestly, now he is.

Because once they brought him out of the ultimate universe, and they put him in 6-16. Spider-Man, yeah. But it's like, Miles Morales is way cooler than Spidey now. Like, there's nothing you can, like, you see his suit, you see the movies. His powers, yeah.

The powers, you like, Miles Morales is cooler, but the actual, Miles Morales, is probably not a sidekick. You kind of want to be a Wally West sidekick. Barry Allen, you know what I'm saying? He does his thing. He's the self-rage.

But Wally West is really the flash. You also want to have a sidekick that can eventually, if you're going to be a sidekick, you want to eventually be able to take over the mantle. Yeah. A lot of these, these sidekicks, they're perennial sidekicks. But, I mean, Robin

is a different sidekick. Robin is like a platinum sidekick. It's almost no there's no shame in being like Robin. It's no shame in being a sidekick. People love, here's the thing, and also there's a graduation process to Robin, where it's at least, you know, you could be a night

wing, you could be a red hood, you could be other things. These other sidekicks out there, Superboy always going to be Superboy. You know what I'm saying? Supergirl always going to be Supergirl. Yeah. Yeah. It's Superboy a young Superman? He's a clone of Superman. Well, that's a different Superboy.

What, what, what? You mean like John Kent? I'm saying because there was, I always understood Superboy in my youth as being a younger version of Superman that started. Then when in the death of Superman, they became, okay. So there's, there's the original Superboy, which was the stories of Clark Kent as a young superboy. And a lot of those were like time travel shenanigans with the Legion of Superhero.

Yeah. Then the second Superboy was Connor Kent, which is a clone of Superman and Lex. And now you have John Kent, which is the biological son of Clark and Lois. What was the superboy that came from the death of Superman story? That was, that's Connor. Okay, that's Connor. And they retroactively, it wasn't until the Jeff John's Teen Titans run. Because originally they were just like, this is just the clone of Superman.

And then they're like, no, that's a clone of Superman and Lex Luther. came later. Oh, yeah. Because he can't fly, right? No. No, he learned, because originally couldn't fly, and they're like, he has telekinesis, and that's how we flies, and then you get her. That was the 90s when they was giving motherfuckers, like, weird-ass powers. I'm like,

just, the motherfuck fucking five. All right, what's the last question? Let's go to Katie for the last one. Hi, this is Katie from South Carolina. I am a big fan of the podcast, and I have been an active listener since Flicky Season 1. My question is for all

of the midnight boys. If we lived in a multiversal existence, describe at least one variant of yourself that would exist. Thank you for your time. Jesus Christ. So what's the question? One variant of ourselves that would exist across the multiverse, like a variant of you.

I think it would be actually really funny if we all did variants of each other. So what would be a variant of van you think that exists across the multiverse? A variant of van? Yeah. What do, oh, he's still at Best Buy. He's still playing video games and zombies.

You're the only van that God had a fucking Best Buy. But see, here's the thing, though. If I was still at Best Buy now, I would be like a regional sales manager, like, all the way up at the top. Top, top. I'd be at the top. I'd be like, because I was on my fucking way, bro. I was on my way.

I was boom, boom. I was, you know, I was coming in that piece like, you know, root beers, Eminem's teaching other people I do on the floor with sunglasses on until they fire me. But, like, it, but, but, I got to, bro. I saw I believe in my own press clip and said Best Buy. I definitely did. You got to hire your Ultim Fly on Best Buy? I stopped doing the little things at Best Buy, bro.

I definitely stopped doing a little... You got to dedicate yourself to the fundamentals, man. I did, bro. I stopped, like, they had the little action items, like, where you have to, you have to, like, put down... I told you out this before. You had to, like, write down what you did, feel it out and, like, a little computer called Action Center.

I just wouldn't do it. It's like, I don't do it. It's like, I don't feel that out. I make the big fucking sense. I made the big sense. I learned a lot, though. I was humbled. I've been humbled a couple of times in my life.

I've only been fired twice. Both of them were very humbling. But sometimes you need to be humbled. I was humbled at best buy. I know where Charles's would be. What would it be? Red pill manosphere Charles. Oh, what?

You don't have any of this in you. Oh, no. But this is your variant. your variant is red pill Manosphere Charles top G Charles Charles Charles top G

Hustler University Like is you You was on a Chase Banks game Like you was on a Chase base game I'm not even going to lie I was at I bank with Chase And there was a one motherfucker who's like Going to all the ATMs

And I was like I think that one's broke He's like no I don't worry about it bro And I'm like please don't tell me you doing the Chase You're doing the chase scam bro I'm like it's already back frying I could see Charles with like a mink and the glasses and it's like, look, what are we doing here? How are you letting your wife stay out all day with her friends? Stop!

That would be what are we doing here.com? I thought you guys were going to go in the opposite direction. I thought I was going to be the only evil variant at every other variant of me. It's just super positive loves comic books. It's like, this was the best movie ever. Now, we're going to take the, we're going to go eviler. Yeah. You're the nicest.

You're the nicest. I know what Jomey's is. What's Jomey? Jomey, you cash co-bain in every other universe. You, you are the horny's. Oh, fuck. And I'm just like. Women

falling off of you Most sex positive motherfucker You gotta feel more charts Right So your ringtone is 50 cents

candy shop Like you choose What's your tribe What's your tribe? Yorba Yorba Yang is Jomi The Yorba Yang

Jomi Jomi's out there doing a whole thing Jomi Adeloron.com The whole thing Yeah I'm telling you That's the thing

What Steve? What Steve's? We gotta do Steve's. I was about to say that. Oh, man. What if Steve's other very man? What if he's, like, really down for like black people? But I'm talking like John Henry type stuff.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. John Henry? What if he is black? John Brown. John Brown, sorry. What if he is black? Every other Steve is. We got the only white Steve?

Yeah. Yeah. Every other Steve. Who would Steve be as a black guy, though? Who would? Oh, Steve would be like. Whoa. What if every other Steve is a black Republican?

Steve is on Fox News. Every other Steve is a black Republican. Every single other Steve is a black Republican. Oh, man, he's out there on. Yeah, he's on that Fox News with a- entity. Oh, my God. If there was a council of Steve's,

it'd be very funny if every other Steve brought their significant other and they're all white women. And Steve is a holy one. Who breaks his sister? And he's just like, get him. Steve, I'm telling you. Counselor Steve's looking at Art Steve crazy.

They're like, we got to get him. But this will be funny. What if, but this will be funny. What if Best Buy Van, regional sales manager, red pill Charles, corn star Jomey, and Black Republican Steve all did the Midnight Boys together? Oh, my God.

Generational podcasting. Generational podcasting. That would change lives. generational podcast. I got the best buy uniform on the name tag. Hey guys, we got them hurry up, man. I got to shift in about 45.

Honestly, you want to know who Arjuna would be? Arjuna would be like the fucking car meet. He'd be yelling at us. Yeah. Sit down. Sit down. Get the, get my shit.

No, I was going to say, I was going to say that we should do Halloween this year as our variance, but Steve would have to do blackface. All right. Wrap this shit. Hey, thanks for the four spells.

God damn. Don't cancel Steve. Can you imagine if we get Steve canceled on this week? Oh, my God. Steve would have to do black. I was thinking, it's an easy Halloween costume. We should all come in. I wear the best buy uniform.

I might do the best buy uniform anyway. But Steve would get canceled. Oh, my goodness. That's a fun episode. Great questions. Great question. Thank you guys. Thank you guys so much.

Jomi, thank you for getting all the questions together and stuff like that. All right, that is a wrap. Oh, by the way, George R. Martin deleted. tweet. He deleted the blog post. He deleted it. What y'all think that means? Wait, really? I think it means that somebody made the calls. Big HBO? This is according to Steve, Steve, the turning point Steve Alman.

They, like, apparently he deleted the post. That's what Steve says. Can somebody verify whether or not that happened? Like, let me see. Let me go to the thing because they... Let's just do really quick one minute on this. What do you think? Because do you really think that this was like, he got some calls being like, Yo, what the fuck?

This is unprofessional. I cannot see any reason why he would delete it. I'm honest. I mean, I can't see any reason why he would delete it. It's out there now. You can't take it back. I feel like it draws more attention to it. Yeah.

I really don't have a good reason as to why he would delete it. If he was going to walk it back, if you, if you, if you, was going to walk it back, he would just come out and say, yeah, he got rid of it. It's gone. Damn. So I can't think of any reason why he would delete it. People have saved it on the web bar archive.

It's obviously like copied, like it's just going to live forever. So ultimately there's no point deleting it. But a call, his agent, his manager was, hey, man. Was it that Beanie moment? I can feel it in, man. Like he's, oh, that's funny. Totally. That's funny.

Your handshake ain't matching your smile. That's funny. The fence's cold. The face to the sweet. That video is so dramatic, bro. Yo, the turnaround gets me every time. Every time. He looks on the shoulder and I'm getting.

Meanwhile, Beanie's homeboy is just trying to stop crying. We're with Hull. In the film and the air video. Hold on. And the feeling in the air video is growing older is realizing that Beanie's homeboy in the feeling in the air video is actually in the right. He's just trying to stop crime, bro. I'm being for real. It's just for real?

I would never, bro, I would never, ever, ever do it. Right? I would never. But growing older is realizing that Donnie Brasco, Beanie's homeboy, the undercover people, they're actually just trying to stop crime. Like Beanie's homeboy. I don't know if I can co-sign this, bro. I can't co-sign this. Bro.

Every part of the way out, is it snitching if you are actually a cop? It's not. If you are actually a cop, it's not snitching. If you are actually a cop, if Beanie's on. Oh, no, this isn't true. It's been, okay. First of all, in the feeling in the air video, okay.

Is Beanie's homeboy a homeboy that flipped on him? Or is his homeboy actually the police? I can't remember that. I can't remember. I haven't watched a full video and so. If he's, the video was very dramatic. If he's, by the way, for people who don't know

for the uninitiated, Beanie Sego has a video for a song called Feeling in the Air where he can feel that one of his homeboys is working with the police. Now, if you're a homeboy that you're doing dirt with is working with the police, then that snitching.

Wait, here's the thing. Every single fucking cop movie, you know what I'm saying? They're just like, damn, this cop flipped. There's a good cop and he flipped on us. He snitched on us. What's the fucking, what you're gonna call a movie that's all about that.

What you're talking about? What you're going to call it? He, not De Niro. Talking about Copeland? Pacino. Serpico. Serpico, yeah, that's the whole thing. He's a snitch.

Okay, that's not what I'm talking about, though. Because... But police can snitch. But listen to me. There's two different situations. Cops call other cops rats who talk to internal affairs. Nobody likes a rat. You'll be a rat in the military.

Nobody likes a rat. So in the Serpico situation, he actually snitched on dirty cops. That's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is if you are a cop and you go undercover inside of a criminal organization. Okay. And you are like in disguise. Technically you're not a rat. You've created somebody who doesn't really exist, right?

You're not a snitch because you're a cop acting as a, and so that's all I was asking about this. So to wrap this up, is George R. Martin a snitch. He kind of snitched. He did snitch. He snitched. little bit. He snitched a little bit. He's feeling the air video.

I got hot. I got hot. Yeah. We'll see. Now, this is good. This will keep us talking about it. For the next two years. Yeah, this will keep us talking about it for the next.

George need to come back every six weeks with something. We should get him on the podcast. We should get George on the podcast. Okay, that's a wrap. Next weekend, the Midnight Boys return with the White Movie Draft. Oh, this is going to be a monumental episode. What? So wait.

What? Did we decide on Count of it? No, we got to talk. through categories. I talk through categories. And for the listeners, this is, we are drafting what we perceive as the whitest movies of all time. Wives movies of all time.

What we think white audiences love that if you are not white, you're kind of like, what's it about this? Should we dress up? Should we all come as like, like, in like white people clothes? Maybe. Maybe. Real close to getting fucked over. But, but, but we can get fucked over if we go too far.

But the only thing I'll say is There are some white movies that I'm going to put on the list On my list that are very white that black people like No, no, no, I think that they, I think black people And any person of color can like the movies But I think it's all about white people liking the movies Or loving the movies Too much. Too much. Too much.

Interesting. Okay, well then you start to open up like a whole like There's a lot of, there's a lot of movies for black people for people of color, white people love. See, mine is just going to be about, I'm gonna, this is gonna be the interesting part about the draft. We're gonna do specific explanations about why the movies are so white.

We're gonna have like 60 or 90 seconds after that. Because some of these movies that I'm saying are white have mad, have white leaves but mad black people in them. There's one movie that I'm thinking of right now. It's a very white movie. It makes no sense that the movie is, the movie is so white. It's very white-coded.

Okay. But there's another, there's, I love these. There's one white movie that's dumb-ass white, but it is a hood classic. Super white. Which one is it? No, well, don't know. You want to spoil it.

It's super white, but it's a hood classic. My last question. Can a black, can we pick a black movie? Absolutely. That the black community does not cherish, but the white community is like that. Yep. Yeah.

Absolutely. Does Steve Dref first in this one? I think we got to stick with tradition. Yeah. The last, she'll be first. The first shall be last. All right. Next week, white movie draft, our producers are Steve, the architect Alman.

Jomi, to explain their dinner on social social on social. Rinaldo on dinner on? I think that's from last week. That's what last week. Keep it. Additional production from our junior, Romga, pal. Shout out to Alia O'Brien, Zanaris. Chocolate drop.

Top swoop. Dontha Kerma on the ones and twos over there. Chuck, take us out. Thank you for the questions. The Midnight Boys never play fair. Sorry to George R. Martin. Because he can be me. Is he ever going to?

And obviously, I did, I miss everything where he said he's not going to do that. He's never going to be a criminal. That's what, what's his name said. That's what the top of lips said. It's unsirious. He's never going to be a criminal. He's like, what this so is like, and literally when I, I thought that this was going to be him meeting Harley Quinn, he's going to do some criminal

shit, you know, and he's not a criminal. If I'm predicting, I do think this is all mostly going to be internally within Joker's head, and it's going to be him at the trial for all the shit that he did in the first film. So I don't think he's going to be

planning any. That's going to be We had all kinds of conversations about who the Joker is, and this is not that Joker, and I'm like, so it's not the Joker. No. No, clearly not This is a Joker is a criminal

And it's like You can- Technically this guy is a criminal He is He is a criminal He's criminal he's criminal he's criminal he killed But he doesn't kill that many people He kills like two or three people

He would kill like what Four or five people? No he kills he kills Robert's He kills the people on the train He killed the be guys in the apartment And oh the guy's apartment Did he kill his mom? No he killed one guy in the apartment

That's right And then he killed his mom So that's like six six I mean he's yeah So he's killing He's killing Let's kill it. All right, let's do it.

We got to talk about this. We do. They're a big, big episodes.