The Ringer-Verse - ‘Hawkeye’ Episode 4 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: December 8, 2021

The Midnight Boys strap on their ice packs and give their immediate thoughts on the fourth episode of ‘Hawkeye’ (06:06). They attempt to uncover what is going on with the mysterious watch as well as debate the merits of the famous “quarter trick” (32:26). They also discuss Clint’s most emotional reveal yet (48:40) and later they “Lock In With Jomi” and discuss the ‘Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse’ trailer (53:04). Hosts: Van Lathan and Charles Holmes Producer: Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Additional Production: TD St. Matthew-Daniel and Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Into the Ringgivers, this is, of course, the Ringers Nexus podcast fee for all things fandom. We are Coke Baby Chuck, 24-carat closer. We are Jomi, the Explanor, Adirond. We are Steve Almond Joy the cuddly Christmas

Bears getting so close to Christmas and the Christmas bear just can't contain himself and we are of course he of the receding hairline he of the 1980s birthday. He of the VHS era Old Man Van. Together we

are known as the Midnight Boys. Programme reminders Friday. House of R will continue to give you their Hawkeye deep dives. Tell you what they do over there on the House of R. Shout out to Mal, Mal. This is like to Joe. Shout out to Mal.

Shout out to Joe. This is what they do. They draw their arrow back. Okay? They aim and they hit. We just come out and spray the target, baby. we just spray the target with all different types of trick arrows

they're the precision with the trick arrows podcast over here that's what we do. Ain't that right Charles? At their right coat, baby. Love it. Love it. Next week, the Midnight Boys are going to be giving you our instant thoughts on not only Hawkeye, but Spider-Man,

no way home. No way home. No way home. Ben, are you a little nervous? Are you, because here's the thing. Here's the thing. I'm nervous because no matter what happens to this movie, this might be the time they get our ass out of it. here and we don't bring it. Well, I mean, look, I'm not nervous for the instant reaction podcasts. I'm nervous for the movie. I'm not, okay, when I say nervous, so this is what I would say

I'm nervous. I'm not nervous as like, because there's two different types of nervous. There is, did I prepare well enough for this test nervous, which is nervousness with some dread, right? Like, you know you study, but you don't know what old Mrs. Crabtree is going to put on the test. Maybe she'll put on this. I remember one time, like a geography test. You know what an itthmus is? An itthmus. An itthmus.

What? Yeah, itthmus. You know what that is? No. You know what that is? No. Interesting. I'm not going to tell you either.

Wait, can you tell me, can you finish how nervous you are? So this is, she put it on the test, right? I studied everything. I wonder if it's going to be on the test. It's like in the fourth or fifth grade. And then I get there and I see that it's on the test, but I'm reassured that I study for it. But when I saw it on the test,

it was like the second question. I'm like, yo, she went deep into her bag and now I'm scared. So that's one type of nervous, right? You don't know if you're prepared or if you're ready or if it's going to work. And then there's another type of nervous

that's Christmas morning nervous. Or you don't know the wonderment that you're going to get. You're nervous. You're excited because you're expecting wonderment. You know that there's probably going to be Wonder Mint, but you're nervous about what the WonderMitt's going to be. I'm Christmas morning nervous about...

I'm restaurant. I'm restaurant nervous. When you go to your favorite... When you go to your favorite restaurant and they got something new on the menu and you go there and you always get the same thing. And you're like, all right, I know this is good. It's my favorite dish.

But you see something new. So you get that and your girl gets the other thing and you get the new shit and you're like, I think I fucked up. And you like, can I... Can we split it? Can I have a bite of yours? Because we just got...

Spider-Man across the multiverse or whatever is called, and I'm just like, damn. Like, that's the, like, I want that. I saw that. They released the trailer, and I'm like, y'all should have just waited. Y'all should have gave us that in January. All right. So, look, we're going to move on to the content pretty soon, but I want to give everybody a tip to what Charles just said.

When you get older and you're doing a little bit better and you can, you know, because when I'm in my 20s, I couldn't swing this. Are you calling me broke? No, no, no, no. I'm not calling you, bro. There's nothing to do with that. In my 20s, I couldn't swing. I'm talking about myself.

My 20s, I couldn't swing this. In my early 30s, I couldn't swing this. But there's something that I invented. It's not the Taco Bell version. It's my version. It's called third meal. Third meal. I'm not going to go to a restaurant and be disappointed.

Life's too short for that. I'm not going to allow that to happen. That's stupid to me. All right. I'm going to get what I always want to have. But if there's something I see on the menu, hashtag third meal. bring another plate of it right there. You try it if you don't like it.

All right. It just goes by the wayside. But if you like it, you can eat on it and then take your meal to eat tomorrow. Hashtack third meal. Talk, this is Oscar money. This is just like higher learning money. I learned so much.

I hope I get like you one day. Shut your mouth. Shut your mouth. Now, on today's show, we are going to give our instant thoughts on the fourth episode of Hawkeye as well as a lock in on Spider-Man across the Spider-verse trailer with Jomey. This trailer came out and the internet had a ball.

It was like a holiday. It was a Spider-Day. And Jomey's going to lock in. Jomey's going to lock in with Jomey. Lock in with Jomey on the Spider-Man across the Spider-Vverse trailer. Okay. Now, that's enough with the Pleasantries. We're five minutes in.

It's time to warn you, guys about the actual reason why you're here. Steve, give me my spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about Arjah. Hawkeye. Clint. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Now, in keeping with the new flavor of our recaps this season, I'm glad that Steve moved on from the 30 second, 60 second recap, because let's be honest, it never really worked. But what is working is Charles,

breaking down these episodes on a need-to-know basis and something called the Midnight Manifest. So Charles, episode four, Hawkeye, Midnight Manifest. Take it away, my friend. Midnight Manifest. We are going to start with some background information. The episode title is called Partners Am I Right, written by Aaron Casino and Heather Quinn. Same directors as last week's episode, Bert and Bertie, return on a podcast. Hot streak.

On this week's episode, Jack and Eleanor find Clint and Kate snooping around the Bishop's apartment and proceed to question the Hawkeye duel on how they know each other. Had it awkward almost like bring your boyfriend home, but it wasn't that. But weird. A suspicious Clint asked his wife, Laura, to get information on Sloan Limited. Laura discovers that Jack is the CEO of Sloan and is laundering money for the fat man, who I think is Wilson Fisk. Lauren Clint also agree they need to find a mysterious Rolex that was stolen from Avengers compound.

Eleanor asked Kate to plan Bishop Security's non-denominational party, but after spending too much time with their stepfather, Kate decides to throw a Christmas party for Clint. The Hawkeye duo bond, Clint teaches Kate a cool trick, and they make a plan for Kate to retrieve Clint's left-over trick arrows from the LARPERS. Yes, they are back. And Clint agrees to question Kazi, but the party is cut short. when Kate finds out that her mentor is da-da-da-da-da-da-ron in. Hawkeye threatens Kossi and tells him to get Maya to chill out. The Lurfer's give back the arrows and agree to make Clint and Kate new costumes. Clint and Kate stake out Maya's apartment and find the mysterious Rolex.

But Kate is caught by Maya while Clint is ambushed by Yelena, aka Natasha's sister, aka a fellow Black Widow, and a fight ensues. After the fight, Kate almost dies in a way similar to Natasha in endgame, Clint breaks their partnership all. And the comic book corner, not going to lie, it's a little light this week. We have three so far. The Boomerang Arrow, we thought that they had all the Trek arrows away,

but one of Hawkeyes' best or worst arrows makes a return. This was in the Fraction Run, and this was an arrow that I believe he used against Iron Man early in the comic books. Then Kate's Arrow shirt in the apartment is an exact replica of one from the Fraction Run. And last but not least,

This isn't comic book corner, but this is a question I have for you, Van. I got to be real, man. The Thanos was right, Mugged. It was cool when it was on the urinal. How do these people know so much about Thanos? Thanos, however you want to go on? Like, who was going around? Is this a new political party?

Is this the maga of the MCU? Thanos was right? I think it's a good reflection of the times that we live in right now, you know? I had my little brother call me up a couple of days ago and he said stop using a ring light when I'm doing the podcast. And I said, oh, little brother, why should I stop using a ring light

when I'm doing the podcast? He said because the ring light is programmed with light signals that communicate back to the government and give all of my vital statistics. And then inside of the ring light, there are special types of radiation that make my skin more susceptible to the stuff that the vaccine is going to do to me.

It's a double whammy, according to my little brother. Wait, well, was this a joke? Or was he 100% serious? It's not a joke. Does your brother use a smartphone of any type? I remarked to him that we were having this conversation on an iPhone.

That's what I'm saying. Anyway, so knowing what I know, I think it's an actual commentary on what we're living in that you have a Thanos's right part. They are probably YouTube channels that are completely dedicated to Thanos, breaking down what he did, why he did it, who he is, giving the entire history of him, positing that he's not dead. He's going to come back with JFK Jr. and Dealey Plaza. You know, it's like, is like, Tianon, Tianon, Tian on. Tien on. Steve just said, Tian on. There's probably a whole Tian on group out there right now.

So I think I've seen that and I think it's actually, because look, that's something that people said on them. Shout out to a rapper named Glasses Malone. Glasses Malone is my homeboy, right? We talk boxing. He's a highly problematic individual. Some of you guys would love him. We talk box, we talk.

He once tweeted one time, he was like, the rest of you guys would have been Avengers. I would have been Thanos. I'm like, bro, do you know what that means? Are you just saying shit, dog? Oh, gee. So, yeah, so I get the mug. I get the mud.

That's what I'm saying. All right. And that does it for the Midnight Manifest? Then, can I ask you? How did you like the episode four of Hawkeye? How are you feeling about it? I liked the episode. If there was one episode that felt like a fillery episode,

it would have been this one thus far. It wasn't bad at all. It's good. I just, I think the show is just striking all the right chords. I like the dynamic between them. I like the style of action. I like getting to peek behind the curtain of who Hawkeye is a little bit more. And there are some things that did get built up to this episode in this episode that are going to pay off later on, I think.

But if there was one that felt like a more fillery-type episode thus far, I would say that this one was the one. What about yourself? This is the first episode where I walked away being like, do they need more time? And what I mean by that is this episode was fillery? but it also was like juggling a bunch of balls and a bunch of characters and all of these things and it almost felt rushed in a certain way where we have Maya in this episode,

we have Yelena in this episode, we have Clint and his family, we have Kate and her family, and we have all these characters swirling around, and we're still at this point where I don't know who the main villain of this is. Like we have hints of it, but the main villain still is not around.

We don't know what the end fight is going to be. And Yelena was cool. Don't get me wrong. I loved when that happened. But I'm like, damn, like, we barely scratched the surf with Echo, with Maya. Like, now we got Yelena to deal with. It just felt like there was a beat missing in this episode where I'm like, maybe there should have been another episode.

Maybe the first two could have like done a little bit more scene setting. Because I just don't know. We're what, 75% of the way through. And I just do not know how they are going to land all of the shit. Yeah. And there's a lot of stuff that they have to land. and there's a lot of stuff that they don't, it doesn't feel like they've, like you said,

quite taken off with yet, you know? I think for me, kind of rounding it all up, I can't, to your point, I can't see really exactly where they're going, but I do think in the penultimate, which next week will be the penultimate, right?

That's the penultimate episode. Is that also weird to you, where I'm just like, I felt like I just started this series. It feels like it just started. Feels like it just started. We're at the penultimate episode, and that's my thing where I'm just like,

the villain, the big villain, whether it is Kingpin, whether it is Kate's mom, whether it's swordsmen, we don't know. I'm just like, they have not shown up yet with why they're doing all of this.

I think this might have, I don't think it will be, I think the Hawkeye will land it, but I do feel like this was a Wanda Vision problem and a Falcon and the Winter Soldier problem where there was so much good stuff in the beginning.

And then the last two episodes, they just throw everything at the wall. And we're all like, Whoa, you guys just rush through this whole thing. Give us a little bit more time. That's just how I thought. Well, the Wanda Vision situation was a little bit different to me because Wanda Vision had such a unique storytelling apparatus

that towards the end, it was just a sharp turn from what we had been getting from the show. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, I knew that they would have to build up to something like that. So it wasn't as jarring to me. The only thing that was jarring to me was the suit. The suit was, I've gone back and I've watched it a million times, I'm trying to get used to the suit.

The suit just didn't work. It just didn't work. It just didn't work. So for me, once again, when this show was over, just like last week's show, which was fantastic, when the show was over, I was like, damn, it's over? You know what I mean? And it seemed like it gets to the end rather quickly, which is also a good thing, which is a good thing for a show, you know, and a bad thing for a show.

But overall, solid episode of Hawkeye. But one of those episodes, to your point to where you're looking at it and you're going, Hmm. Like, are we moving too abruptly to something that's going to feel like it's not quite reconciled at the end of it? You know? Because there's still questions

and we're introducing new characters to your point. Now, a lot of stuff to talk about. Eleanor and Jack. We see a little bit more of their interplay today. There is an opening scene. It's an odd conversation between Eleanor, Jack, Clint, and Kate. Now, Eleanor is threatening Clint in this situation.

All right. She doesn't want to lose her daughter. She wants Clint to get off of the case. And she says it's because she doesn't want anything bad to happen to Kate. She even invokes Black Widow's death, which must be fucking hard for Clint to hear. Once again, how do all these people know how Black Widow died on this planet? I think that that's a thing. I think, remember, remember Thor Ragnarok?

Remember Thor Ragnarok where they walk up to Thor and they go, I'm sorry, you and Jane broke up? These guys are like, they're stars. So I think that they know this type of stuff. Plus, it might have been the Rogers of musical. Oh, shit. I'm just wondering, like, Hawkeye doesn't say anything. He's the only one on the planet. I'm just wondering out, like, she's at that moment and just like,

remember what happened to Natasha? It just is confusing. Well, they know Black Widow is dead. They know she's dead. They just don't know how. Right. But it's fine. It's fine.

I'm cherry picking. I'm Nick picking. I guess that's my whole thing. I think that they know that Black Widow is dead. So question of him on one or not black widows that doesn't really bother me that much. The really aggressive way, like she was leaning on him. So I think more than anything, that gave us a hint into, I think we're all speculating that Eleanor is could be possibly a big badness. But if there was any one scene to give you a reason why she would be, other than the casting of an actress such as Vera Farminga in that role, it would be the fact that she actually was leaning on him.

she was leaning on him in that she wasn't she was leaning on him in a very like villainous power type way like yo you're gonna get rid of this right i'll get rid of my not don't just stay away from my daughter drop the entire case you know and the fact that she called it like a case like she's just like i'm like oh you're used to this which i think is very funny how the show is trying to make us think that it's like jack or it's like kingman all these other people i'm like no you're the villain. Like, I know you're the villain. I can see it from a mile away. I wish they would just admit it because then she goes on her phone and she does another mysterious thing calling someone. And I'm like, all right, just who are you? Are you madame mask? Who, who, what villain are you? I just need

to know. Who do you think she called? I have no idea. I have kingpin, maybe. She called up the kingpin. Maybe. Jome, Jomey, Jomey, Jomey, do you have, explainer. Do you have, do you have a idea. Not necessarily Kingpin. I don't think she would have made that call. The call I think she would have made was to call Val who went and talked to

Yelena to get Yelena on Clint. That's the call she made. I like that. I like that. That also makes me pose a question. Joanna mentioned this on one of the episodes of House of R. And she wants to know

what do we think the flow chart is? of villains and antagonists here because we have the track suits and then we have Echo and then a higher up of that is assumedly kingpin and the addition of Yelana and possibly Val

like where do we think everything stacks up and what do you think the ultimate goal is for the higher ups here? So the tracksuits I think aren't really bad guys I think the tracksuits are mischief makers. Yeah. So in a situation like that where there's like a big bad

you need someone to to be like your mission They're almost like, you know, if you're playing Super Mario brothers like the little mushrooms, little guys coming your way. The Coupas, the Coupas, the Coupos, the Coupes guys. So you stomp on their heads, you stomp on them. Stomp on a Cupa is what you do. The thing about what they taught us as kids,

you see an enemy, stomp on his head. Mario never negotiated with any of the Coupes. He was like, like, why are you doing this? All right, Super Mario negotiator is not a game I want to play, man. that sounds like a fucking awesome game. What are you talking about? Samuel L. Jackson is Super Mario, the negotiator.

We can't have Kevin Spacey in it. But think about crossing those up. That was great. We come up with such great things on the Midwest. But yeah, so they're just the mission of makers. As far as the flowchard of villas, so it would go to them, then I would, the only one I am not convinced is actually in the flowchart of,

at all is Jack. I have a theory for Jack. I think Jack is blissfully unaware of what's going on around him. I think he's a great swords guy who is into some shady shit, but is being yanked around by, as you know what, by Eleanor, who is working in concert with either Kingpin or, I guess, Vowl now. But who knows what Vow's true motivations are? But what's your theory on Jack?

So my theory on Jack, because we remember from the first episode, like Armand is warning Jack to stay away from Eleanor. I think the marriage is key. Potentially they're getting married because Eleanor doesn't want to have to testify against Jack because she's secretly running Sloan limited for Kingpin. And like that's how she's laundering the money for him. And Jack is the CEO, but he doesn't know. He's in love.

He's just like in La La Land. And she's using the marriage to be like, all right, if shit goes down, I don't got to say anything against this guy. That's why I think Armand is like, you got to stay away from Alinor. She's too smart for you. And yeah, I think Jack is going to Steve. Steve just as like, I think he's going to take the ball.

Do you think, how do you feel like at the end of this Jack and Kate's relationship ends up? Do Jack and Kate end up having that same relationship that Dutch and Ethan ended up having at the end of the movie Dutch, which I hope that you guys have watched now, to where stepdad angst turns into Oh, no, she's going to be friends. Swordsman is going to, they're going to be buddies, I think.

I think it's because he's in this, he's such a charming fellow when he's getting all of the jokes wrong. Like absence makes the heart grow older. How can you hate this man? How can you hate him? Yeah, yeah. I personally think. But, you know, all of that is great for a show. I will say in some of these Marvel television shows, there's been so much speculation that they haven't really quite landed the odds.

and wonder of who's doing what really well. If you think about it, besides on Wanda Vision, I mean, I guess Wanda Vision is the one that we figured out the least. But in this particular show, if it does end up being Kingpin and then Eleanor as your Bads, the honest thing, we all saw it coming, right? Like, they didn't really have us full for one bit. Isn't that the same as the Rolex? Because when the Rolex happened, I was confused.

I'm like the Rolex. Like, where's this Rolex come from? Did somebody wear a Rolex in a Marvel movie that I didn't not know? And then I went on Twitter and everybody else was kind of like, wait, did we skip a beat? What's the mystery of the Rolex? I have my theories of who I think owns it. But, Van, were you a little just like, why do we care about this Rolex now?

Like, what is this thing? I just accepted it. I had no clue what was happening. At first when they said Rolex, I thought they meant Rolodex. I thought I heard Rolodex. You know what a Rolodex is? Yes, I remember a Rolodex. Remember a Rolodex?

I thought it meant Rolidx. I had no clue. I've never seen, did I miss the Rolex? Is the Rolex like a hidden Easter egg in Ultron? Or so, I don't know. I had no idea about the Rolex. I was just like, man, is this like, was Agent Colson like wearing like a Rolex in one of these? Like, who is this?

I have my theories, then, do you, do you have any theories for who you think owns the Rolex that Hawkeye is? has to hunt down in this episode. No, I don't. Not really. I mean, could it be Nick Fury's Rolex? No, I don't, because here's the thing. If we've learned anything from these Disney Plus Marvel shows,

it's always the most obvious pick. It's always someone who they've already introduced. They're not introducing any new people. I have three, and they're all parents. I think my first suspect, I think it's Hawkeye's wife. I think it's Laura. Because throughout this whole thing,

We just thought Laura, housewife takes care of the kids. Nah, she's part of the operation. She's part of the operation. When Clint calls, she speaks German. And she goes, anything else go missing from the compound? Clint says you mean the Rolex exactly. How does Laura know what the fuck is in the Avengers compound? Because they're obviously talking about it.

She obviously is a much bigger part of his life as a spy slash assassin than we thought that she was. That's what I'm saying. But do you think that she was? she's potentially like a shield agent who retired because Clint says something to the effect of the owner of the Rolex is someone who's been out of the life. And part of me was thinking was she one of Clint's partners? Maybe she was his partner before Nat. That's why I think owns the Rolex, my first one. Second, what if it's William? What if it's Maya's dad? Interesting. Because here's the thing. You don't cast that type of actor to just kill him off in one episode. I also think,

that he has such a, Will, when he's talking about it, has such a heart. Like, he seems like such a good guy. You're like, why would he be mixed up in the tracksuit mafias? And I'm thinking like maybe Will was implanted by Shield. The double agent of some sort? Yeah, because they're talking about another agent is learning Russian and is running around in a track suit. And I'm like, what if Shield has been implanting agents in the track suit

to try to get closer to Kingpin and Will was a casualty of all of this happening. And perhaps to that end, which is why he was killed. And I don't think, I don't think Clint killed him. I think what if somebody... Yeah, I think Clinton killed him. I think maybe they found

him out and they decided, excuse me, he had to be eliminated and they sent a Ronan lookalike in there to take him out. Not a bad theory right there. Who I think is Yelena. I think the Ronan lookalike is most likely Yelana. Yelana under the control. of Black Widow before she had the opportunity before they all broke free and stuff?

Yes, potentially. Under the control of the Red Room and all of that stuff like that? You think that's who that's who did that? Navy Kingpin was paying the Red Room. Like, I don't know how it's going to happen. Well, the Red Room is like a, yeah, you can pay the, you can pay the Red or they'll come and they'll take people out for you. So that's kind of the whole thing, yeah.

So my third and my last, all parents, Kate's Dad. Kate's Dad shows up for five minutes, dies during the Avengers during the Shatari invasion. Where did he go? Potentially, is he an agent? Potentially, did he not die? Did he just disappear somewhere?

I don't know. For what purpose, though? What would be the purpose of him being away from his family for decades and all of that stuff to what end? I mean, here's my thing. They never show his death. They just, he dies. He's out of funeral.

He has money problems. in that first episode, potentially, like, he gets blackmailed by Shields, by someone to be like, hey, you need to infiltrate this organization. It's my least, it's my one that I have the least explanations for, but I still feel like they introduced this character

and he's gone all of a sudden, what happened to him. But my two are either Laura or Will. Interesting, interesting. I want to talk about one particular, good stuff, by the way. It's a good theory making right there. You know what?

We can do theories. People don't think we can do theories on the midnight boys. They think it's monopolized by the YouTube geeks, but we can do it. We can do theories when we want to do it. We can be two theory motherfuckers. Caden Clint, what about the Christmas scene? I like a little Christmas hang.

I loved it. I loved it. They had the ugly sweaters. They were making dacherees or whatever. Now, was there alcohol in those dachries? That's what I wanted to know. I didn't see any alcohol, but here's the thing. Like, Hawkeyes, a trained shield agent.

There's no way he's like about to share all these stories unless he got a liquored off unless you snuck a little henny in in the dachries or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they have a little bonding moment. They're wearing the ugly sweaters. They got the DVDs out. If you're going to have a Christmas party with somebody, Charles, and you're going to have a little bonding time. Because you never really bonded with the Midnight Boys. I've got to be honest with you.

You've like, we like, we're all here. Like, I think we're going to be able to get to do that a little bit next week. might have some surprises for you guys, but we all get together over to the house, and I order a mountain enough food to feed like 10 people, and then we just watch movies and we bond, you know, but the movies we watch are Willow, you know, what else did we watch? We watch, jump in guys, we watch Willow, we watch fucking, we watched five minutes of a Willow time.

Watched a couple of fights. Put us on some boxing. Some boxing. And then what movie did we go to see together, Jomey? What did you go see? Oh, we went to see a fast, Fast 9. Guys, you're playing in my face.

I'm Squidward looking at SpongeBob and Patrick having so much fun. I get it. I live in New York. It's fine. We know. What movie would you bring over? What holiday movie would you bring over if you were Kate to cheer Clint up? I'm doing Christmas story.

Which is a great fun time of a movie. I'm bringing up one that people never watch that I think is a hilarious Christmas movie. I think it's super funny. Jingle All the Way. Have you ever seen that? Which one's Jingle All the Way? Jingle All the Way is with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sinbad. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That is so funny.

So good. So funny. Like, y'all never saw Jingle All the Way. No, I saw Jingle All the Way. There's a reason people don't bring this shit. You're a Jingle All the Way, hater? I'm not a hater, but it's not in my top 10. Is that what I'm bringing over to share my man up.

So funny. is so funny. And you never think about about Sinbad as being big enough to have been in a movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger, but he was absolutely gigantic.

They hate on Sinbad now, but Sinbad was fucking huge. Jigel all the way is funny as fuck. Was Scuba Steve? No, Scoobo Steve is from Big Daddy. What doll were they fighting over? The Turbo Man doll.

The Turbo Man doll. This is a terrible double feature. The only double feature that you do is that you do Elf, you do Gremlins back to back. Fuck now. Fuck now. Why?

Both Elf is great. Grimless is great. But Gremlin isn't Christmassy enough to be a part of a Christmas double feature. It is great. Not really. Come on, man. Come on. Not really.

It has nothing to do with Christmas, really. What are you talking about? He gets the Maguai for the holidays, man. But you're missing, that's nothing to do. See, this is the point. This is the Christmas season to, y'all, What Grimelins is is a movie about creatures that go run amok in a town at Christmas time. Christmas time really doesn't have very much to do with it.

And Jingle All the Way and a Christmas story, those are Christmas themed and centered movies. This is the point. All right? This is the point with a Christmas movie. Jingle All the Way is about a Christmas gift. Scambling for a Christmas gift, Christmas Central. Grimms could have took place in fucking July and to be the same exact movie. Oh, I got you a gift for you.

your birthday. Oh, I got you a gift for whatever. I got some, it's the same shit. So, you know, go ahead and have fucking grimace. Go ahead and do it. But don't ever besmirce the name of jingle on the way on this podcast ever again. I don't know what's wrong with you. But yeah, the crucification is great. A lot of those movies are great.

Santa Claus, you know, I don't like my Santa's selling dope. So if we're going to hold it against these rappers, then I'll hold it against Tim Allen. I don't want to do Pablo Escobar Santa selling dope. He's a dope dealer. Pusher.

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Okay. The quarter trick. What's wrong with the quarter trick? I got to tell you about the quarter trick. The quarter trick is emblematic of my problem with a lot of what we see in shows like Hawkeye. This is how fucking detail obsessed I am with this stuff.

Hawkeye is doing the, they're doing the tree, they're decorating the tree. Hawkeye does the quarter trick, right? Yeah. He tells her he can do it and then he does it. All right. Turns out the television.

This is the way I look at the quarter trick as a plot device. I look at the quarter trick as a plot device as an example of something. Give you guys a little background on this. There's something that Roger Ebert calls the principle of evil marksmanship. The principle of evil marksmanship

is the fact that when a hero is shooting in a movie, in a fight scene or whatever, he's shooting his gun, he normally shoots straight. He's normally good with his weapon. Whereas villains consistently miss shots. They miss shots all the time.

Heroes, they're ducking shots, stormtroopers, they're ducking shots, they're getting around shots when all of the guys are firing at the, the guy in the Western movie, they're missing, he looks up, takes one shot, boom. That speaks to the virtue of the hero, right? These villains aren't as diligent.

They probably spend time getting drunk, being with prostitutes. The hero spent all his time perfecting his craft. Or in the case of Skywalker, there's something extraordinary like the force that helps him make these incredible shots and stuff. But there's something special about the hero, which is the reason why

he's better than the villain, which explains the marksmanship that he has, the reason why he's better than him. It's a part of the hero's skill set. Well, I look at Hawkeye, right? And when I see him flick the quarter or flick the little ornament, I think Hawkeye spit years and years and years and years and years perfecting that, right? Because that's what makes Hawkeye's special. Hawkeye is talented. Don't get me wrong. But for Hawkeye to be Hawkeye, he had to be extraordinary and dedicated himself to what it is that he does because he doesn't have like a millionaire he doesn't have

an Ironman suit so he's got to practice, practice, practice even with his daughter, she's at a young age when he's shooting on how to shoot. He's got to practice, practice. And that's the same amount of time that he probably practiced how to knock somebody unconscious

with the court to probably save his life. He teaches her to do it in three moves. Oh, that scene was just like, stop. Like, stop the cat. Like, play, give it to me, Steve, come on. I think teaching her to do it in three moves, it sounds crazy, but it's an enormous storytelling flaw. No, it takes away.

It's not just three moves. In a night. She could have learned. Like, this shouldn't take her an entire year. This is the equivalent of just, you're like, hey, Steph, Steph Curry, can you teach me how to shoot a three in three moves? And like, just a normal person on the street. Like, no.

Can I quick push back on this? Hang on. Hold on. First of all, if you're having Hawkeye teach you something, he'll probably be able to teach you it pretty quickly. Second of all, all you need to do is snap your fingers and it's a quarter. But from, like, it's a trick. She's curving it like around the fucking door to hit the TV. Give me to give me to give me to fucking stop the cap. She's already a good archer. She's a good art. She's a good art. She's a. She's a good art.

already a good archer. I understand that she's already a good archer. This has nothing to do with that. Even her being a good archer, she's learning a new skill. She's learned... Look, if you're telling me that Kate is innately talented with a bow or something, they should have given something

like that when she was a kid. Like, hey, watch me. Well, they did. That's what they cleverly did in the opening credits of the first episode. They had an entire montage for that first credits of her training with the bone arrow when she's a kid, winning all these competitions, doing gymnastics, karate, etc. Those are all things that she learned how to do, though.

Exactly. So when you have something that's as simple as flicking a quarter, how is that... What the fuck are you talking about? Flicking a quarter to make a guy unconscious... Steve, I want you to take a... I want you to take a quarter. She didn't knock a guy unconscious.

She turned off a TV. That's all she did. Steve, later on, I want you to flick a quarter and try to turn your computer off. I want you to flick a quarter. What are you talking? about. I'm not saying that this is a simple thing. No, it's not a simple thing. It's exceedingly

difficult bordering on impossible. I'm with Steve. It's not, it's not that difficult of a thing to like, like to think about. Like to have the force, to have the force to flick a quarter and turn your TV off is not easy. The point, the point of it is to show how talented Kate is, how quickly she picks things up. Clint teaching her, right, part of the show. Also, how talented she is, innately talented at this stuff. So you're telling me that Kate off the daqueries in three moves can learn something

that it probably took Hawkeye forever to win. That's what we're saying. But who said it took Hawkeye forever? Yeah. He's Hawkeye. Like, it's not like he was training in a dojo to flick a corner. He probably just figured that shit out. This is a little trick. This is my last question. Just tell me, on a scale from 1 to 10, how easy do you think it is to flick a quarter to make a,

with enough force to make a man on confidence? I'm sure it's hard. That's why I'm doing a podcast. I'm not out there saving the world, Charles. And it's, and it's not about the fact that it's a difficult thing. To Clint, it's easy. And it's not because he was training in a dojo for 10 years to learn how to put the quarter.

It's something that he found it. No, no, no, no, no. She'll doesn't put you in quarter training. Okay? Oh, no. First of all, first of all, first of all, you don't know that. And secondly, that to me, to me, here's the thing about Hawkeye. Hawkeye has grisled. Hawkeye's fought for a long time. He's experienced and there's

skills that he's picked up. You know, there are all kinds of skills that he's picked up in learning how to do that. And to me, just to have her one, two, three, I'm like, come on, man. I understand that we have to make Kate Bishop Hawkeye pretty quickly, right? But that to me would have been better off in her getting close to it and then in the next show or in the Young Avengers movie or something like that, she finally gets it. Because that's something. something that I get it. Well, it's fuck me. So, okay, I'll pose this question.

So in the, in the next or final episode, if we see Kate flick a quarter and knock somebody out, are you going to be upset? No, because Aquafina made the shot and she was training with the bow. I'm telling you, y'all don't think shit like this matters. That's different. That's way different. How is it different? Are you kidding me?

It's the same thing. Okay. Like Aquafina, like Aquafina was training with the bow for one day and she took a dragon out from, you know what I'm saying? It's like, that's way different. I'm telling you, they're getting lazy,

Joe me. I'm telling you, they're getting lazy with this shit. At what point, did you see Alcofina do anything other than drive, like anything other than driving that film? Right?

That, like, helped the plot. I was like, oh, Katie's helping right now. Other than drive, name one thing besides the arrow that she did. Nothing. So for her to show up at the end with the arrow is wild. I would believe that Kate can flick a quarter

to hit a TV way more. But the problem, I think flicking this quarter and that is two skills, two different skill sets. I think you're learning something brand new. I don't want to spend too much time on this, but I'm telling you. This is transitioning to the next topic that I want to have.

I think it's a similar issue that I have. I love the end fight with Yelena and Maya and the two Hawkeyes. But what I found very funny about all of this was that in Black Widow, we know how good Yelena is. She's on par with Natasha as a lot. fighter. During the fight, they had to get Kate in there. But I found it very funny where I'm just like, like, I know Yelina's better than this. Like, Yelena could have killed fucking Kate within like five seconds.

Well, Yelina, well, Yelana's been, once again, this makes sense. Yelena's been trading in a Gladiator Academy, like, for, for a decade plus. So whatever she could do makes a lot of sense that she can do it. All right? Kate takes karate. Yeah, that's my point. You know what I mean? And she's like, I'm not hating.

I swear. I'm swelled like, hey. But look, but look, I'm telling you guys, man, there is a difference. It's a difference in having stick basically adopt you when you're like nine years old, right? And then teach you how to fight like the hand or teach you how to fight like that for,

there's a difference between that and like being a karate champ like fucking Daniel Leruso. You know what I mean? There's a difference between that. Do you think the power scaling in that last fight was a little bit weird? Because I did like, when Hawkeye and Yelena were fighting, I'm like, oh no, I actually liked this

because if I had to bet on who would win, I think Yelena actually would mop the floor with Clint, just in, and we're talking like hand to hand. it's the, it's the, k of it all, I know that they have to get her, they have to make you believe that she can be Hawkeye one day. I just find it very funny. I'm just like, these are two of the

best assassins in the world. And then you have an archer who's won some competitions. Maybe an Olympic level archer. You know what I mean? Look, the arch, the arch stuff I can dig, you know. And I'm not, I'm just, look, it's our job

to nitpick. Like, it's our job to nitpick. So when I saw that, I'm like, damn, even Kalika was like, why don't you just let her flick the quarter? And I'm like, hey, man. We haters, bro. They go, call us haters. Hey, man, it's okay. That's fine.

I like Kate Bishop a lot. I love Kay Bishop. I thought Kate Bishop, her real expertise was shown in how she got into the apartment versus how Hawke I wanted to do it. Hawkeye wanted to be all cloak and dagger. But the fact of the matter is, these kids know how to get past buzzers. They walk in with the Amazon guy. sometimes I see him hanging around the side of my building

I'm like, how did you get in here? I'm old, you know what I mean? People get robbed in L.A. Get out. They walk in with the Amazon guy. They walk right up to your door. They walk in with the postmates guy. They know how to get up to the building

without having to have a whole shield mission. Wait, can we do? I have one more stop the cap moment for next episode if this happens or the final episode. They better not have the LARPERS. They should not have the LARPers design some superhero costumes. Stop the cap, bro. Like, for real, like, here's the thing.

Hawkeye is a shield agent. You're telling me that he cannot call up Pepper Pots to be like, hey, can you, like, give me, like, the latest in, like, soldier tech, whatever. Like, fucking Anthony Mackey's calling up the Wakandans to get a whole suit. You're telling me Hawkeye can't call anyone. He has to wear a superhero suit by the Larpers. That's what they're teasing.

And if it happens, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to be pissed. How busy do you think Pepper's line is for people getting asks? He's an Avenger. I don't know, no, but like for all the Avengers asking Pepper Pops or something. Actually, not that much. Not because Sam was down there trying to take out a bank loan. So obviously she don't have a, obviously she's not, she ain't that busy. Pepper lost her husband.

She's, you know, she's been away from the phone for a while. Stop. Yes, very true. Hawkeye's going outside. He's down to his last trick arrows. He don't got no costume. At some point, we're going to have to call out fucking the Stark industry, Stark Foundation, whatever. Because they letting all the Avengers go outside.

They broke his fucking hell. And I think it's time, we say something about it. Very time. Very time. Okay. Little midnight speculation. Time for some speculation midnight boy style. All right, number one.

Who do you think hire Elena? We talked about this a little bit earlier. Jumme pointed out that he thinks it could be Val. Or do we think that Val is in cahoots with Kingpin on this? one, who do you think hire you landed to come there and get some get right on the two hawk eyes? I'm going with Jomey the explainer's version. I think that makes the most sense. Yeah, I agree. I think Jomey the Explaners version was great. I think he was right about some things on this podcast that he was wrong about others. After the locks, after the locks and this, it's, it's been a rough. It's been a rough month.

Wow. Wow. I'm starting to, I'm starting to wonder if he's even Nigerian. You know what I mean? Like the locks, didn't know the locks. Nigerians know the locks. I know. I've been in New York, bro. I've seen the way it goes out.

All right. This is for everybody. Two episodes left. We talked about it a little earlier. Are they going to be able to land this? Charles. If I'm going to be real, I'm not going to answer your question

because I don't think any of the Marvel shows have been set up to land anything. And what I mean by that is we know what the MCU is about. They have problems with their third acts because these things have to continue. And I think with Hawkeye, all it has to do is just keep this level of quality because we know there's going to be an echo show. We know Kate Bishop is going to show up elsewhere. We're at the point where this, Hawkeye seems like they're just introducing concepts

that we're going to see later, whether it's the Kingpin, whether it's Yelena, all these other things. So no, I guess if I had to say it, I don't think that they're going to stick the landing, but I don't think that will ruin the quality of the show. I think the show I'm going to leave, being happy, thinking this is one of the best they've ever done. What about you, Van?

Do you think there's any way that they can land everything and fit everything they have to do in the last two episodes? I think they can, they will. I think the next two, because once again, we're talking about aspects of this show that were, that's what we do, but this was a great episode of Hawkeye as well. over the next two shows, they are going to wrap this up

and it's going to be in the conversation for Best MCU show that they've done. I already think it's competing for top two. Like, it's not, I already think it's better than both Falcon and WandaVision. It has not reached Loki yet. I will be surprised. They're going to have to do something big for it

to reach Loki, but I already think it's my second favorite Marvel Disney Plus show easily. Right. So I think the next episodes are going to be fantastic. And I think they've set them, set themselves up for that. I tell you what, they don't have a lot of room to let us catch our breath.

It's got to be on go time the next two. But I'm looking forward to it. I think they have. Jomey, Steve, you guys want to add something real quick before we get to lock in? I think it's going to hit the mark these last two episodes. I think with, you know, Yelena finally showing up and we're going to get the answers to who's the big guy they keep talking about and is Eleanor like the Big Bad or a Big Bad? I think these last two episodes

are going to do some nice stuff. So, yeah, like Charles said, this is going to finish the year as one of the best MCU shows we got this year. And Jomey, Jomey, really quick, I just want to ask you, how did you feel both of your wives,

wife one and wife two, are in this episode. How did you handle that? No comment. He's learning. Jomey's learning. Jomey the milkman, baby. Mr. 2.

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Benning, and Ed Harris, now streaming on Paramount Plus. I also think one of the most emotional parts of this episode happens at Christmas and then that informs the ending is basically when they are talking Hawkeye's talking about

the best shot that he's ever taken and it's actually the one that he didn't take when he was sent to go kill Nat. To me that informs so much of his character we learned in the first episode the PTSD that he has even when he's watching Rogers the musical And then at the end, when he breaks up the partnership with Kate, the thing that does it, it's not Kate's mom saying like basically leave my daughter alone.

It's none of that. It's Kate being in a position that Natasha was in when she was about to die. She was about to fall. I thought that was beautifully done. And this keeps reinforcing how much that relationship meant to Hawkeye and how much Natasha's loss similar to Wanda Vision when Wanda is grieving for vision, how much this is. meant to him, this relationship. Van, what did you think of like the Christmas scene and then Kate almost going out,

almost dying in the same way that Nat did? So what I thought about the Christmas scene was this. The Christmas scene is, it's the birth of Hawkeye. It's Hawkeye talking about being born. Because he says, he says, I'm a weapon. I was a weapon.

That's what he was. And that's what he was until that moment. And in that moment, he became a hero. In that moment, what a hero really is is someone with extraordinary skills who has the empathy to look into the human experience and then lend their skills to making other people's lives better and sometimes seeing things in them that they can't really see in themselves. That's what a hero is. A hero isn't someone who goes out, you know, like a hero isn't someone who goes out and does something because they can. It does something because they see that people need it. And what Hawkeye saw in that moment was that Natasha needed, she needed a hero.

She needed somebody who could see past the point that she was dangerous and see that she wanted something more out of her life. It's difficult for him to talk about it because she's passed on now. But the reality is the reason why that's the best shot is the one he didn't take is because that's the most heroic moment in this life. And his heroism led to another hero being born, somebody who maybe in that point didn't even know that's what they wanted to be. Because it's never like, it's not the radio actor spider that made Peter Parker, Peter Parker, that made him. that May Peter Parker's Spider-Man. It's the conversation with Uncle Ben, right? It's not Krypton that made Superman Superman.

It's his relationship with Jonathan Kent. You know, that's what makes these guys the heroes that they are. That's why there's always an inciting moment, something that makes them want to do what it is that they're doing. So I thought that was an incredible scene. Do you think that's going to inform Kate's journey? Because basically Hawkeye, when she runs to the building, to my his building. He says something to the effect of like you always get your way because you

act like a child. And throughout this, he's trying to teach her that lesson of sometimes the best shot that you can take is not taking one at all. And Kate is go, go, go, go, go. I want to be the best. I want to be a hero. I want to shoot the arrow. And I think if I had to make a prediction in the last two episodes, she's going to learn that to be a hero, sometimes inaction is the best. Sometimes stopping breathing and assessing the situation is actually what a real hero would do. So I'm excited to see how that Yeah, Kate still thinks being a hero is about stuff that you do. And what he's trying to say is sometimes being a hero is about stuff that you don't do and it's about sacrifice. So, John me, go ahead.

Well, I'm glad that you said that because if you guys, you know, Clint, you know, tells a story about how he, Hawkeye, did not take the shot on Black Widow. That was the best shot he ever took. If you remember the end of the episode, Kate has Elena dead to rights and doesn't take the shot. Hmm. Right. So to Charles' point, like part of it, you know, she's already like kind of there, like not shooting, but also probably informs, you know, the MCU as you go forward. Hawkeye not taking the shot on Black Widow, you know, might be the beginning of a beautiful partnership in the future. You know what I'm saying?

But they, they merit that in the episode. And so hopefully we can get that in the future. Saving himself. I like that, Joe. Yeah. It's true. It's true. It's time.

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Jomi let's get it it's time for locking in with Jomey so you already know what's going on it was blowing up the internet on Saturday we got the first look at the across the Spider-Verse trailer, the sequel to 2018 smash hit Spider-Verse.

Are you guys as excited as I-gam? Because I'm hype. I'm hype. Like, I can't even control it right now. You know what I'm saying? We got the scene of Gwen and Miles in the room. You know what I'm saying? She was wilding.

She had the feet on the bed. We don't do that over on this way. She got a street clothes on the bed. She's from another dimension. So, you know, you got to excuse her. You know, she don't know behavior. She was talking to my man, Wiley, snatching this book, looking through his, you know, his notes, you know what I'm saying?

I have some discretion. You know what I'm saying? Mind your business. But, you know, that was exciting. And then going and seeing Spider-Man swing, right? and I'm pretty sure it was India, like a different dimension of India, and then go to 2099 and get punched out

by Miguel O'Hara. Like, I need it. Is it October? Like, what's going on? Like, I'm going to be real. Like, I'm so excited for this movie, all right? The best Spider-Man movie of all time getting a sequel. Yes, sir.

Could not be more excited for this movie. All right? Spider-Man, no way. home who? Who? The only thing I'll say if I got a nitpick between now and this movie Miles you got to stop going out like a punk. Spider-Man 29 and not beat his little ass. Like I'm like like Miles it's been a couple years bro. That's how Spider-Man is now. Spider-Man the main Spider-Man now, they've set the precedent that he can't bust a grape in the fruit fight and he's always going to get beat. He's 14. That's how to think that's that's, that's, that's,

Miguel's been around the way. That's the Spider-Man that y'all like. I like a Spider-Man that goes out there and gets it done. Y'all like the Spider-Man that's always finding somebody to put a foot in his ass. That's kept. How can that be kept? Spider-Man spent all his time getting beat up. That's the whole point.

That's the whole point. He spends his whole time getting beat up, and then at the end, he overcomes it. The Spider-Man, I remember, was underneath Rubble talking to himself saying, I can't lift this. Thor could lift it. Hulk could lift it. And then all of a sudden pushes up, I can do it. That's the spody I remember.

Also like Tom Holland in Homecoming when he's under the rubble with Vulture. And then he's like, I got this. And then Wulcher killed himself. By the way, by the way, I loved the trailer. And I cannot wait. I cannot wait for the movie. And guess what? Part one or two.

We get another one after. Come on, man. So, it's, it was so amazing, all right? I didn't think I was going to be this hype for it, but they might have done it again. Do you guys think that there's any chance before we, before we wrap up this episode? Do you think there's any chance that the best two Spider-Man movies

can both be from the Spider-verse? Well, if that's the case, then no way, if that's the case, and no-way home would have really have failed. I'm serious. No-way home has got to at least be in that, because with all this hub- Do you think No-A-Home has to be top three for us to not have the conversation of like, yo?

Yeah. Yeah. No-A-home would have to really have failed, in my opinion. No-A-home is going to have to. Knowing home should be in the running for, it should be comparable to Into the Spider-Verse. It should be. Do you think it's comparable to the Spider-verse and Spider-Man-2 are you? Like, it has to be both.

It has to be better than Spider-Man too. I'm not even a lot. It has to be better than Spider-Man, too. Listen, I'm not even going to hold you. I'm not going to hold you. If we have to sacrifice No Way Home to get another great Spider-Verse movie, sign me up. I'm here. Speak on it.

That's acting like that that movie wasn't going to be good in the first place. Across the Spider-Verse is going to be good regardless. It's going to be amazing. But what I'm saying is No Way Home has got to, got to, got to be at the top of the spot. It's the biggest event In the history of Spider-Man Wait, do you think it'll be better? All right, this is one way.

Do you guys think there's any way that No-A-Home could be better than the original Spider-verse? I'm sure. Of course it didn't. I don't think so. No. I think it could be.

It's tough. Look at you guys. You motherfuckers, y'all don't even give it a chance. Of course it could be. It could be. I don't, you know, I'm not saying like, I'm going to be upset if it is. But Spider-Verse is like nearly like a perfect film.

Now it won't be because you guys are going into it already with it. It has a chance, but it's a very small one. It is a very small one. No, that's your question was, could it be? I'm like, yeah, of course it could be. Like, yeah, of course it could be. Will it be? Maybe not. But it has to, if it does happen, if you guys don't think it can be, then it won't be.

Got damn telling you. All right. That's Robos. By the way, I'm going to talk more about Arcane next week a little bit. Arcane is the shit. Let's go. Four for four. Lock in. Lock in. Lock in on Arcane. Tap in the Arcade, everybody.

Yeah. Like, lock in. And by the way, it's not just me. Everybody's getting the Arcane. We were on vacation. And they're like, what are you watching? What kind of weird? I'm like, get off me. The fuck off me.

I'll come out to Jet Ski when I want. I'm watching Arcane. That's a wrap for us right now. Friday, the House of Our Returns with their deep dive on the Hawkeye episode four. They'll probably be less arguing. But the May Night Boys will be back next week. to talk about episode five of Hawkeye,

which we're expected to be a slam-bang hell of that episode. And next Friday, we will review Spider-Man No Way Home. The moment is finally here. Okay? Next week, we will review Spider-Man No Way Home. At Ring Reverse is on Facebook, IG, and Twitter. Join and send us questions, ideas, and thoughts. And weigh in on the conversation we have.

had today about the quarter trick. I really want to know what you guys think. Maybe I'm being an old curmudgeon. Producer credits. Our producer is Steve Almond Joy. Jomi Adineron. Hashtag free Jomey. It's on socials. Additional production from Arjun and Ramgapal and of course, producer

TD. Charles, take us out. Can Kate really flick that quarter? Is Spiderverse going to bring the pain? I just want to let all the midnight listeners out there know. Y'all got to tap into some arcane. I have a question.

What are your feelings on Black Sannas? Do you decorate your house with Black Sannas? I'll be honest with you. Not really, bro. Not really? Shout out to Baron Davis, who has... Shout out to Baron Davis who has like a brand called Black Santa,

you know, trying to change to a Black Santa and stuff. I don't have an issue with Black Santa. It's just that sometimes white supremacy just wins the argument, you know? It's like it's unfortunate But sometimes it's like Sometimes they just beat you down And I can't fight I can't fight it on all front sometimes

I'm fighting it in the workplace I'm fighting it in in society And then they come along with Santa I'm like I don't have any ban with left to fight The white supremacy of Santa being white everywhere Just fucking roll Santa out Whoever it is it doesn't matter But sometimes I just run out of gas and fighting it all

So if there's a decoration in Target and there's a white Santa and Black Santa, you're reaching for White Santa. Is that what you're talking? No, I would reach for Black Santa, but if there's no choice, I'm not going to trip. You know what I mean? Got you. Got you. So, like, if there's a White Center and a Black Santa, I'm like, yo, man, come on, Black Santa, let's go. You know the neighborhood. But if there's no Black Santa option, I'm not going to the front.

Be like, yeah, y'all, y'all need a Black Santa up there. I just don't, I don't, it's Christmas. It's the end of the year. I've been all year we've been fighting. It's like, come on, man. bring out the fucking pumpkin pie let's move on to the next year Jomi, you got something?

Steve, is this going to make the final cut? This will be the Post's credits for short. Yeah. Jomey, I know you got black sands in your house. Oh, you better know, dude. Every year at church, the Santa was always black. Really? The church swung for a black Santa.

Well, I mean, it was a Nigerian church. We didn't have a lot of options. You know what's crazy. That would be great if you hired a white guy to go to an Iterian church. No, but to be honest with you, At the church, at the church back and back, after our churches, they would have black sannas and stuff like that.

But then you go to the malls and white Santa, you know? Well, check this out. We always had a black Santa because it was always a Nigerian father. So we always wanted to see whose father was Saturday that year, right? But what was crazy is one year we had a white dude be Santa. Right? Wait, wait, wait, no, he was a member of the church. It was cool, right?

It immediately took the guess out of who was Saturday that year because we knew. But it was great for, like, the first time in like, what was it? eight, nine years, we had a white Santa. We were like, yo, we were so white. So all the little Nigerian kids are like, white Santa. We got a white Santa. We're going to lose. We're going to lose.

See, this is so, all of this is so dismal. I'm disappointed in myself. I'm disappointed in Jomey. I'm disappointed. We're going to lose, man. I'm disappointed in Jomi's people. I'm disappointed in myself. This whole thing, man.

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