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Episode Date: November 24, 2021

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Okay We're the Midnight Boys Programming reminders Friday House of R returns With their Hawkeye Deep dive On the premiere episode

With a very special guest They're gonna have a special guest On the show. I always love that That harkens me back to my youth when I would watch Scooby-Doo, and there would be a special guest on the show. You never knew who it was going to be. One time it was Batman and Robin.

You guys remember that episode? I do remember that episode. I love that. Classic. Classic. One time it was the Harlem Globetrotters? Do you remember that? There was Harlem Globetrotters on the scene?

Has that aged well? It might be a little bit racist in the light. I don't know. I think it's okay. Okay. I think the Globetrotters are completely okay with who they are. They know who they are. So I love a special guest.

And they actually used to do that on the Loveboat. You ever remember? the episode of the Love Boat where the Hall of Globe Trotters were on the Love Boat. Do you remember that? They didn't have Love Boat on Nick at night when I was coming up. Sorry, then. All right. Now, on today's show, guys, make sure you check in with Mal and Joe on Friday.

But on today's show, the Midnight Boys are back on the MCU beat. We're going to react to everything that went on in the first two episodes of Hawkeye. There was a two-episode premiere of Hawkeye. No, we're not doing the third. Thu-Thu-Thu-Thu-Th I'm pretty sure we're doing the Thu-T-Thu-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-U. That's Spider-Man. Okay, before we move on, what's Hawkeye's best shot in the entire MCU? What's the best shot Hawkeye ever made?

Oh, I got my vote. Everybody has to give an answer. Steve, Cudley Christmas Bear, go first. It was in the Avengers when he was evil under Loki's influence, and he shot the USB arrow into the computer to hack the entire ship. Oh, that's wrong. Oh. That's wrong. It's also the number of it.

Same movie. Same movie. When he's on the, he's on the quad jet, and he shoots it and it like, he hits the wind. Oh, shit. And it curves all the way. And it curves back around. That's the one. It hits the engine.

Steve. That's the best shot. Where he looks and he goes, ooh, and then he lets it go. Yeah. The USB shot is a terrible answer. I just like the arrow. It was pretty cool. The arrow was cool.

All right, guys. It's time to get into Hawkeye. Let's dive right into it or shoot right into it. but also because we have some new people here because we have some people that might be checking back into the midnight boys because they're interested in what's going on

in the latest Disney Plus MCU show. We have to do something that we love to do here. It's called the spoiler warning where we warn you guys that we're about to talk about a show that you're listening to the podcast to hear us talk about. Makes a total sense.

Oh wait. Let's be clear. We are talking not only about the show, but everything that's happened in the MCU and everything that's happened in the comics. So don't get mad at us, all right? For all the newbies, do not get met at us. Spoiler warning, roll.

We're getting ready to talk about you're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Steve, genius, once again. Amazing. Steve's the best. Steve's the best. Steve is like the,

he's the feral of producers. podcast producers. Wow. Great. Now, for those that are new to the Midnight Boys, thank you for listening to us. We love you guys. We love talking about this stuff,

and we love listening to what you guys have to say about us talking about this stuff. We're going to give our instant thoughts and reactions to the show. And, you know, that's going to include a lot of spoilers that have to do with different things like Charles pointed out a second ago. Now, we're going to give you a nice new flavor for our recaps of this season, where Charles breaks down the need to know about Hawkeye episodes one and two.

We're calling it the Midnight Manifest. Charles, take it away. Guys, I'm about to give you everything you need to know about Hawkeye. Episode one and two. First off, Hawkeye, number one, based on Matt Fraction David Ahaz award-winning 2012, Hawkeye comic book, which became one of the most influential runs of the past decade. many of the hallmarks of the show from the track suit mafia to Lucky the Pizza Dog are directly taken from this run. If you'd like to learn more about the comic book, check out Joanna's great interview with Matt Fraction on the Ringiverse feed.

Now I'm going to give you some background. Hot Guy, six episodes, fourth live action MCU Disney Plus show. Jonathan Igla is the head writer and formerly worked on shows like Mad Men and Bridgeton. And then Reese Thomas directs the first two episodes and is best known for his work on SNL, Documentary now, an unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. Jeremy Renner returns to her prize his role as Clint Barton. Haley Steinfield is Kate Bishop, the future Hawkeye. Tony Dalton plays Jack Duques, Aliqua Cox, plays Maya Lopez Echo. And now, guys, I'm going to give you the plot of episodes one and two. We start during the Chittari invasion scene in 2012's Avengers, where a young

Kate Bishop is saved by Hawkeye. After the mysterious death of her father, Kate dedicates her life to various activities like archery and martial arts. Fast forward to the present and a 22-year-old Kate, shout out of Jomey, he's been Thurston, gets in trouble out of college for damaging the belt out. What? That's not true. It's not true.

Jome. He's been sweating. I want to stay for a record right now. Listen. Stop. Stop. Listen. All right, back to the, back to you.

The plot. Sorry. Fast forward to the president. 22-year-old Kate gets in trouble at her college for damaging the belt. Tower with an arrow. When she returns to New York City, she is punished by her mother, Eleanor, and forced to attend a gala. It's there, Kate learns from the wealthy Armand Duquesne Duquesne, the third, that her mother is engaged to Jack Duques. Later at the party, Kate follows Jack to an underground, a legal auction where wealthy people are trying to buy superhero

artifacts like Ronan sword and costume that Clint Barton briefly wore in Avengers Endgame. The tracksuit mafia, unofficial name, ambushes the auction, and that's when Kate dawns the Ronan outfit and tries to fight them. In the process, she saves a dog that likes pizza, but can't rest because when she goes to pay Armand III a visit, she finds out that he's dead. Across the city, Clint Barton is having a family vacation with his kids. Unfortunately, Clint experiences PTSD at a Broadway musical based on Steve Rogers and the Avengers. When he sees on the news that there's a new Ronan, aka Kate, he sends his kids home and promises his wife he'll make it back before Christmas. Clint eventually finds Kate and saves it from the track suit mafia.

Unfortunately, the gang burns down Kate's apartment and the Hawkeye duo lose the Roman suit. Clint tracks the suit down to a live action role-playing event in the park and spends an afternoon trying to win it back. And at the end of the episode, we are treated to the first appearance from the mysterious figure Maya Lopez. Now, wrapping this up, guys, I have to ask you, how familiar are you with the three comic book characters that are introduced for the first time in this episode.

Kate Bishop, the swordsman, and last but not at least, Echo. How familiar are we? So I'm much more familiar with the Swordsman and Cape Bishop than I am with Echo. I would say ranking my familiarity with the characters, it would be the Swordsman first, Cape Bishop second, Echo third. All right, so when I get to Swordsman, I'm going to come to you then because you are way more familiar than I am. But Kate Bishop debuted in 2005's Young Event.

by Alan Heimberg and Jim Chung became Hawkeye in the comics after Clint Barton famously died. But similar to the comic books, Kate comes from wealth and looks up to Hawkeye after being saved by the Avengers as a child. And she's the fourth member of the Young Avengers to be introduced on screen after Patriot, Wiccan, Speed, Stature, and Iron Lad, aka King, Swordsman debuted in 1965's Avengers by Stanley and Don Hack. And from my memory, he mentored Hawkeye in the comics at the Carson Carnival of Traveling Wonders.

And he was both a villain and a hero at various times. Like he's been on the Avengers. Yeah, he's been on the Avengers. He's been the hero, anti-hero type of guy. He's essentially sort of in the same mold as Hawkeye in terms of, you know, Hawkeye is an average guy that is super beyond average.

An average human, should I say. that's super beyond average with his abilities and his fighting skill. And that's kind of what Soresman is. Sorsman is probably up there in the top five wielders of a blade in all of Marvel. You'd have to probably put Taskmaster. You'd probably have to put the Black Knight up there, a couple of other people. But yeah. And so he's been a foe of the Avengers and Hawkeye, specifically Hawkeye.

He's also been an ally of them from time to time as well. But he goes back so, so far that if you read Avengers for any, length of time, you would pop up on Swordsman from time to time. And the whole thing is famously he trained Hawkeye, but Hawkeye couldn't beat him as a kid. And then the whole thing about Hawkeye's character arc is that when he grows up, finally he gets the best of Swordsman. So we don't know if that's going to happen in the MCU show, but a little backstory. And then Echo, my favorite character of the bunch, debuted in 1999's Daredevil No. 9 by David Mack and Joe Casada. She's a Native American deaf woman that fell in love with Daredevil in the

comics. She's a master martial artist and has don the Ronan suit as well to help the Avengers. And the thing before I wrap up this Midnight Manifesto, guys, do you want to know the comic book equivalent to Pete Davidson is? Who? Daredevil. He does his thing. You know what I mean?

He does his thing. I can tell you what the ladies love about Daredevil. This is the fact that he can only see them in the rain. Remember that? It rains and then it takes the shape of their face and they're like, oh my God, this is so great. Spider-Man stole the swag. Spider-Man stole Daredevil swag by making out with Mary Jane in the rain and making that a whole thing. Busting moves in the rain is a Daredevil thing.

That's a Matt Murdoch special, baby. And that's been the Midnight Manifesto, guys. Charles, that was fantastic. If I wasn't an expert, which I'm not on these things, I still wouldn't be an expert after listening to that. But I would be much more in the know. Midnight Manifesto, number one, a rousing success. to the whole group, starting out with Coke Baby Chuck 24-carat closer. What were your immediate reactions to the first two episodes?

I'm going to ask you directly, Charles. The Marvel hit the mark with what they put out, and why do you feel like they hit the mark? And we should kind of set the landscape here real quick before I go into your actual answer. The landscape is this. We are in the realm of Disney Plus shows to where we've had Wanda Vision, Falcon and Winter Soldier,

Loki, and What if? Okay, we're just talking about the Disney Plus Fair that we've got. So far, we've had a crazy, whacked out, superpowered television sitcom being controlled by a master magic manipulator. We've had international espionage in the form of the Falcon and the Winter Soldier. We've taken a trip into the time-altering multiverse with Loki. and then we dove deeper into the multiverse with the shenanigans that went on in what if. Now, we're coming all the way back down to the street level.

And we're doing it surrounding a character that people like but they don't love. As Kate Bishop says earlier, I think it's in episode two. Hawkeye has a branding problem. And that goes to the real world and the MCU. Real world and the MCU. So this is, for Marvel to actually do this

and make a great show out of this, how can I put this? For some people, they would be surprised at how much they love the Hawkeye show. Let's just put it that way. Oh, before, if we're getting the temperature before this happened, when the first trailer came out, there wasn't, like, we weren't, like, excited.

Like, yeah, we're getting Hawkeye. I was like, all right, sure. And if you're asking me my opinion of this show, I'm loving it. Like, I think we're at this point where, we finally we finally realized that like we got everything

from this is the last Disney Plus MCU show of the year I think all of the other ones had so many expectations and I was just kind of happy to be like all right like this show doesn't have

to change the world like I can just chill with Hawkeye with Clint and Kate it could just be about their relationship and that's fine we got the Eternals

the internals didn't change the world okay black widow Shang Chi none of it it was just fine it was like cool and we were like oh my God

one of the mutants coming. With Hawkeye, I don't expect any of that. So it was just cool to be like, yeah, I just want to see Hawkeye having a really, like, bad time on Broadway. I just want to see Haley Seinfeld just being like, all right, I'm going to put on the Ronan suit. It's just, it's a nice show. Also, really quick before I get everything else.

I probably loved it a lot because it is the exact same plot as CW's Arrow. If you break this showdown, it's just the Disney Plus Arrow. And I love Arrow. so I'm very much just like Kevin Feigy, you did it again. Van, what did you think? So let me tell you what this show got me to where I'm all in on Hawkeye right now. When Hawkeye is watching Rogers the musical, first of all, they have the song, I can do this all day.

Great. Great. Come on, guys. I wonder, like, do they have a whole guy write a whole musical song just for that one number? That's, like, amazing. How everybody feels about the Aga song in Wanda Vision is how I feel about this song. in Rogerson musical. So I'm watching it, and I always like

to see how characters are affected by the world around them. So I'm seeing Hawkeye watch a bunch of the people have a lot of fun, you know, regaling in the story retold that he was a part of, and I'm watching him as a human being go to the PTSD of being what he is, which is a war veteran. He's a veteran of the Battle of Sokovia. He's a veteran of the Battle of Avengers Tower. He's a veteran of the Battle of New York.

He's a war veteran, and he's one that has some scars. And those scars are both emotional and mental, and they're also physical because Hawkeyes got his hearing aid in. It makes a lot of sense. You're not going to go through all of those things, no matter how dope you are, not have some scars. So to kind of get my arms around this character and understand why he is so important, which they kind of try to do in age of Ultron, just giving them a family out of nowhere and saying, hey, Hawkeye, matters because he's the one human guy in the fight. That's not to take anything away from Widdle because she's in the fight too

and she's also very human. Rest and peace than that. But for me they never quite hit on it, why we need Hawkeye there. And I feel like this story, even in the first two episodes that I got, are giving me more of an understanding as

to what his place in this world is why he matters and what he's motivated by. And we've only got two episodes of it. But we've seen him right away feel a need to be a part of something, to fix something that he was a part of starting. Seems like things were always happening in a round Hawkeye and not to him.

And he was always on the edges. And now it seems like this is something with his kids and his family being around there, kind of in the background that's happening to him and he has to figure it out on his own. Can't call Tony. Can't get with Steve. Can't pick up the gauntlet and run it and hand it off to anybody.

He's got to figure it out. So I enjoyed that. Jomey, what's up? with you. I really enjoyed the first two episodes. We know you enjoyed it. Talk about it. Of course. We know you did. Yeah, right. Stop watching it. Half speed. It was, it was fun. Like,

to see, again, to see Clint living his life trying to be a good pops to his kids and then ultimately get pulled back into the world that he thought he left behind when his family came back is an interesting concept of something like, you know, I didn't think about, but like seeing it was

great. You know, the episode, the first episode where they're at the restaurant and, you know, he's like, we're ready to pay and the guy's like, don't worry, we got it, you know? Like, just reminds you of, like, you know, what he's been through, like Van said. And then on the Cape Bishop side, I mean, we're going to talk about later, but Haley Steinfeld was just like a great actress. It's all working. Why'd you say it like that, show me?

Why did you say it like that? Because you guys have put a spotlight on me. Yeah. And I got to be, I got to be careful with my word. I'm going to play Bryson Teller over this right now. Steve, what about you? I thought this was brilliant. It's a great breath of fresh air

because to Charles's point, it's exactly what I would have wanted in a, like, not to say low stakes, but a fun hang of a show. Yeah. That's what I wanted from a Hawkeye show to be something that's like a fun adventure that we don't need to worry about

the stakes of the world ending all the time or a super soldier serum getting out into the world. It's just Clinton dealing with his bull shit and taking along another great sidekick along the way who will eventually take up the mantle of Hawkeye. I loved it. There's a wink in the show that

everybody kind of knows that like Hawkeye is the wackest Avenger but he's kind of the only one left now. So he's having to deal with being a celebrity and being the only one that people can kind of run up on. Like you can't run up on the Hulk. You know what I'm saying? I also like that he's

only like occasionally recognized. That's the thing. He's really, he's really walking the streets of New York, no problem. Like you, Steve Rogers can't do that. The people at the LARP are going to know him because they are the people that would know. But in the bathroom scene, the bathroom scene was when it got me, when he's like looking at like, Thanos was right and he's like,

all right, fuck this shit. And then there's a guy being like, can I get a picture? And I'm like, of course, this is like, this would be the point in your life when somebody would ask you for a picture. Not when you're out on the street. He does you look like every other white man, but right here at the Rogers musical. And I was just like, this show is doing something special.

And you know what's interesting? It's interesting that they run up to Hawkeye and they say stuff. Meanwhile, let's kind of compare this to times in MCU past where characters have run into these guys like they're famous. Let's look back at Thor Ragnarok, right? Where the girl runs up to Thor and she wants a picture with Thor. Do you remember what she says to Thor? She talks about the fact that him and Jane broke up.

Oh, yeah. She's invested. She's in the gossip blog. He's in the gossip blog. is a big, big, big, big, big star. So there's a pecking order that exists even in the Avengers, and that's going to play to me, I believe, a key part in this entire thing. Because to me, this show is not just about who's going to be the next Hawkeye.

This show is going to be about why we need Hawkeye. Like I said before. This show is going to be about why we need Kate Bishop, what Hawkeye brings. Cape Bishop is going to learn throughout this what it means to be Hawkeye, what it means to be this in terms of the Avengers. But we're going to learn it too. And I think I'm excited to learn. I'm excited to learn. I'm excited to see what Marvel can pull off.

Okay. Now, were there any moments in any of the episodes that had any other problems that some of the past MCU TV shows have had? You know what I mean? Too slow. Not a lot happening. You know, things grinding to a standstill. You know what I mean? Stuff like that.

the power broker ended up being Sharon, which was highly telegraphed and very anti-clamatic. Were there anything in these first couple of episodes did you say, hey, they still haven't figured that out? Actually, no. I think at first when I watched the first two episodes,

I was just like, hmm, kind of so not a lot happens. And then I was just like, oh, no, that's actually a feature of the show. That's a good part of the show. Where it's like Wanda Vision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier and even Loki, I think the problems that we have with those shows is like the mysteries.

The mysteries that we had or we would create in our minds were always more interesting than what we actually got. And in this, there's not really a mystery. The whole thing of the show is like, I can explain it in one sentence. Hawkeye needs to get home before Christmas. That's the whole thing, whether he will get home or not. So I don't, there weren't really weaknesses to me. The whole time I was like, no, I'm here for this.

I want a Marvel show that's a little bit more down on the earth, just hanging with these guys. You want to know what it's like, you know, when the MCU snapped into focus for me was the Schwarmacine in Avengers. Because when everything... That did it, huh?

Because I think the things that we actually go to these shows, these movies and shows for is like watching extraordinary people do ordinary things. All the times when we're just like, what was the best moment is generally extraordinary people doing mundane shit. And this is, Hawkeye is the Schwarmacene just for two episodes so far.

And that's what I like. I like seeing him have to like take his kids to the Chinese recipe. Like, all right. Like, please don't pay for my food. But thank you. But also this is weird. I love that. Now, I agree with you, Charles.

I don't think it's so. I think it's perfect. I think it needs to kind of, you know, set the stage because we need to find out who Kate is. Right? We've never seen it before. And we need to find out, you know, where Hawkeye is. Where is Clint now in this new world? And it works where the winter soldier,

Falcon Winter Soldier doesn't is because Bucky and Sam. Like at the end of Avengers Endgame, they're already together, right? Throughout their entire MCU run, they've been together. So why split them up in episode one? Whereas in this series, Clint and Kate,

we need to know, like, what sets them up to come together at the end of episode one, beginning, episode two. Like, we need that run up. So it works perfectly, honestly. So it was like a great two episodes. Let me ask you guys a question.

Does anybody here know the Captain America theme, like the theme that comes on when Captain America comes on the screen? you guys remember how's it go? Yeah, it's like Bo ba-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B- That one, yeah. That right there. So every time there's some cap

on this podcast from now on, Steve, I need you to play that. Where's the cap, Ben? Where's the cap? Cap alert. That's what it's going to be. Cap alert. Stop the cap.

Stop the cap. Stop the cap. There's no, you don't go to these movies to watch these heroes. eat no fucking shwarma. What are you talking about? Like, I love to see extraordinary people do ordinary things. Yeah, that's after they've knocked over a building.

No, because here's the thing. All of our complaints for all of phase four was all of the CGI bullshit. Let's be clear. Let me tell you something. I'll tell you one thing right now. If Hawkeye don't make some dope shots in this shit, it's not going to work. I don't care. He's going to make some dope.

He's going to make some dope shots. Some dope shit is going to happen. It's not going to work. All right, but check this out, though. What's the best scene in Avengers Age of Ultron? It's when they're at the party and they're all trying to lift up Mileneer. It's not what we go for,

but that's what we remember. I remember Cap picking up me and nearer and end game more than I remember any of this shit that y'all talking about. I remember Avengers Asimble more than I remember any of this shit

that y'all are talking about. I remember, bring me Thanos more than any of this shit that you guys are talking about. All of this stuff that you're talking about, it's cool. We eat a little swama. We have a party.

trick when we pick at the hammer. Who can pick at the hammer? My name is Josh Reed. Stop the cap. And I want to make this movie like Buffy the Vampire Swam. So I don't put it like a cool. Like you know what I mean? So I get

what you're saying. Yeah, but you don't get those moments right? You don't get you don't get Cap lifting the hammer being so exciting without the age of Ultron scene where he kind of lifts it but doesn't to protect Thor's feelings. Talk about it. Moments like that set up. the big moments that pay off in the end.

We have to move on. We have to move on. Stop the cap, though. That's good. Stop the cap. That's late. Okay. Okay.

Oh, but we still have to answer the question. For me, were there any moments in these episodes that had any problems of the other MCU television shows? Not really. And I also think that I've been a little bit more patient because I did watch this with Kalika. and she was having she was having problems with it.

She was having issues with it. She kind of didn't understand what it was moving towards or what it was doing. I will say that we watched it after, you know, a night of watching the fight and all of that stuff like that

and then we came back and we watched it again. And when we watched it again, we were more fresh and advertised and she could pay attention to the details a little bit better. She fucked with it a little bit more. But I personally think that the fact that they're pairing this down a little bit

and it works. Actually, I'm still something that Charles said in our group chat that this works actually more as a television show. This is a television show. It's not embarrassed to be a television show. The other ones felt like Wanda Vision, Loki, Falcon and the Winter Soldier felt like a movie that they cut up into like episodes. And this feels like a TV show that knows it's a TV show. And I'm like, all right, cool.

It has like that Superman and lowest-type. feel where I'm just like, oh, you know, it's like a TV show, you know? Give me more. Give me more, Superman. It's so good. Steve, what about you? Your thoughts? I think it's exactly to your point.

Without that many expectations, we're allowing itself to kind of just be its own thing. And knowing that this is more so a comedy skewing, action-oriented MCU romp, I think that this is kind of getting off to one of the better starts that I could remember an MCU show getting off to. Yeah, very solid. pretty solid. This episode is brought to you by Spectrum Business. Fast, reliable internet means everything for your business. And even this podcast, that's why I trust Spectrum Business. They keep companies of all sizes connected with internet, advanced Wi-Fi, phone, TV, mobile services,

plus 24-7 US-based support. Millions of business owners already trust Spectrum business. So visit spectrum.com slash business to learn more. Restrictions apply. Services not available in all areas. Let's talk about Kate Bishop, Jumby's favorite part of the podcast. We get a healthy introduction to Kate Bishop in this episode. Her origins, she's a star athlete. She survived the Chittari invasion. She's a fan of Hawkeye. This did a good job of showing just how fucking terrifying the Chittari invasion must have been if you are non-Avenger.

Because we watch it from the Avengers perspective and we're like, hey, the Avengers and cops in there are a couple people going, What if you're just in your crib, you know, eating waffles? You're, what she was listening to Jojo Siwa? She was probably, was Jojo Siwa? In 2012? No, she was in 2012? She was listening to, like, Party Rock Anthem or something? No, she's a baby.

Babies isn't in a party rock anthem? That was a kids. Listen to MLFAL. Those guys are talking about drugs and stuff. So it's dope. She's a huge fan of Hawkeye. And she becomes a huge fan of Hawkeye because she witnessed this Hawkeye in action

from a very famous scene from the OG Avengers That's a lie That was the one part of the episode I was like come on Come on See Steve I wasn't tripping Like come on

Like nobody is seeing that shit I'd be like I want to be him when I grow up Like What you mean? Why why not? The dude with the arrows Like he jumped off a building

And he shot of arrow And then like saved himself That's kind of a baller move If we're talking about Kate Bishop Can I just say that Like this new generation Of MCU stars are just coming in and having, like, none of the jitters

that the other actors, like the first generation had. Like, Haley Stifel kills it in the same way that, like, Florence Pugh came in and killed it as a black widow. I was just like, damn, she's like, she's operated on a level that I thought it would take her a couple more episodes to do. I was very surprised and taking it back. I'm like, oh, she's Kay Bishop.

I think that also, I think they also benefit from the fact that the movies have found their tone. Yeah. They found their tone. They found their tribe. Everybody knows what's going on. you know what's expected of you. She knows what it means to come in,

both by the portrayal of other characters in the MCU, the source material from the comics, and the overall tone of what's happening. The fucking thing is so big now, it's kind of a plug-and-play situation, you know what I mean? So I think she benefits from that in a way that a guy like Chris Hemsworth didn't.

Chris Hemsworth played Kenneth Brana directed Thor, right? So you come in and that's a Shakespearean actor directing the movie, you're playing Thor with, I guess the gravitas that a prince should be played with, but by the time you get to Ragnarok, you understand a little bit more of what the assignment is, like the cute slay, a huckle-truckle,

oh man, Vans, hip. And so then you can get into a little bit more. Do you think that one thing I want to give Haley Stenbaud credit for is like, I don't think that this quality-wise will be like Thor or Ragnarok, not a lot of things can be. But I ended up liking Jeremy Renner

a lot more in this series because he finally had someone to play off of. Like, the energy that he has is, like, a grizzled old dad having to talk to this 22-year-old and be like, you're kind of an idiot. But, like, I see where it coming from. Made me, like, Hawkeye so much more. I was just like, oh, shit.

Like, I know why they gave him a show now, which is a testament to their dynamic, I guess. I think her, like, Haley's Staffel is perfectly cast because, like, reading the fraction run, Hawkeye is as as Kate she has like a confidence about her like I'm the best I'm the best archer of the road even though I'm also working with the guy who claims he's the best archer of the road and Kate and she does that perfectly Haley Steinfeld just like yeah I know I'm nice I'm no I'm good even though like we see her make mistake after mistake in the first two episodes but she still like carries that gravitas around her and it's it's really working let's talk about Vera Forminga. and the family aspect here a little bit. Because let me tell you, let me tell you something. Big Vera Formiga fan always have been.

Stop. How Jomey feels about Haley Seinfeld, I feel about her. It works. Okay. That's all I'm saying. But this is the thing, though. This gives me something that I love in movies and films. I love stepdad angst.

You can always hook me with some step. Dad angst, and it points back to one of my favorite movies of all time. Dutch. You guys ever see Dutch? No. You never saw... You guys never saw Dutch. You always come out, you're like, have y'all seen Wazah Hoosimitz?

And I'm like, no, dog, like... Oh, my God. Dutch stars Al Bundy, what's his name, Ed O'Neill? Ed O'Neill, yeah. Dutch stars Ed O'Neill, and I forgot the kid's name, but he was a big child actor for a couple of years. Ethan Irby? Ethan Irby. He, Dutch is his new, his mom's new boyfriend.

And he's staying at boarding school and he doesn't like anyone. He's a little shit. And Dutch volunteers to go pick him up from boarding school and bring him to Thanksgiving. And along the way, hijings happen, adventures happen, and they go back and forth. Step-dad angst is always good. And the fact that that plays into. her overall assessment of this situation. She knows he's the swordsman.

She knows. She doesn't know what the swordsman is. She says like, why's their sword? Why, what fuck? What's going on here? Why are there swords around the house? You know what I'm saying? Swords all around the house that tips are off,

that he's there. Then of course, he gets the Ronan sword and he kind of stashes it. He wants the sword. He's obsessed with swordsmen. They have their little back and forth. I love that. That to me is a little,

the little a little genesis quai you know what I mean that keeps the tension until the big reveal that this guy is in fact

the swordsman and we don't know which way he's going to go in this whole situation but we know he's probably bad as hell

Hawkeye let's talk about Hawkeye we haven't talked about Hawkeye this much when I say Hawkeye

I mean Jeremy Renner the first episode Clint wasn't in very much what we do see is someone

back in retirement and weary of life as an Avenger how do we feel Jeremy Renner is coming back

to the role once again do you find yourself rooting for this Clint a little bit more or less than you did in his run as one of the LG adventures? I love him way more in this than I ever did in the movies. I never thought that I would be like rooting for him because in the movies you're just kind of like,

oh, sure, like fine, I guess. He was like the least popular member of Insink. But in this he's just like charming. The fact that he actually, I think the family, I was just like, damn, they're going to have to work the family in. I think in being around. to his family makes him so much more relatable. Like his family, like just being like his

daughter is just so nice. Or being like just checking up on her dad. I just loved him. I think Jeremy Renner did a good job. And I know he's a problematic figure, you know? But he did a good job on this. But what did you think about Renner? I think you've been very clear that before this,

you were not that excited for a Hawkeye show, but it seems like he won you over. I always look at Jeremy Renner as the dude from the town. That's how that was his thing. Town is a classic. He was good in the town. It was amazing. So even though he's been Hawkeye,

I still look at him as old buddy from the town. You know what I mean? Jim. Jim from the town. He's owning the role. He's owning his place in the MCU. I think the family stuff with Hawkeye is sometimes it feels shoehorned in a little bit. Sometimes I feel like, hey, Hawkeyes with his family and stuff.

I find it hard to believe that the mom doesn't come on a trip with them to New York where they're watching musicals and all of that stuff. But I don't get it has to be there. One of his sons is going to the NBA. He hit a nine-inch gross perth. Like you see that? You know what I'm talking about? Like one of his sons is fucking Christosporxingus.

Apparently, like he's like, we look like, God damn, boy. But there's no way. See, they need to look at shit like that. Like Jeremy Renner, that's your kid, man? What the hell's going on? Wait, can I also ask you a really quick question about the mom? Linda Cardalini, love her, freaks and geeks classic. Sometimes I'm just amazed.

I'm just like, damn. they got an actress like Linda Cardalini just playing Hawkeye's wife. This is fucking weird. Do you think she was just like, yeah, I ain't showing up. Fill me on an Atlanta green screen. It put it in later. It felt like she was tacked on in that episode. The story wouldn't be complete without her,

but I'm interested to see what they give her to do in this series. She was on the phone. Like she was in a completely different state. I was just like, where's Linda Cardle? She was, hold on. She was on the phone. But at the same time, she knew a lot of stuff. You could tell her that she's been through it with Hawkeye.

she understands the stakes. She understands what he has to do. She gets the jargon. This is the life that she chose. I thought that was very interesting. Do you think her and her family know about Ronan? It seemed like they kind of knew. Well, I think she knows.

I think like she came back and she was like, wow, you got tattoos, you cut your hair, what happened? He was like, you listen. I don't know if he told his kids. He was doing all that murdering and slaughtering back in those days, but he told his wife, you know, One of the most important things about the show is, of course, going to be the dynamic between Clint and Kate. A little alliteration there, all right?

Clinton and Kate started with Jomey. How do you feel like their interplay has been thus far? And what has been your favorite Clint and Kate moment in the first two episodes of our show? I think it's got off to a good start considering over the episode. They've only known each other for like 24 hours, but they still have, you know, great moments like when Clinton is teaching kind of bandages, wound her wound. But my favorite, it's not, it's not, it's not even that much of interaction. It's the end of episode two

when she falls through the roof and he just gives her that look. And he's just like, all right, now you're a problem that like, I'm going to have to, I'm just going to deal with you. Like that was just, that was really telling. And I really like that. Yeah, it's good. It's good stuff. Charles. Don't look at me like that. Mine is very pure. I think Kate just be like dog. Like you got to work on your branding.

is so fucking funny because it's like true. It's a very funny moment in the episode where you're realizing like damn, like she really looks up to Hawkeye

but she's still kind of clear like damn like I'm rooting for like the least popular member of the boy band and Hawkeye really does have to work on its branding because if there's anything

that I was just like could have done better in the MCU they never gave him a costume Hawkeye is the wackest shit ever like he just looks like any member of the military he had some tactical shit

that he would wear though. No, the age of Ultron suit is terrible. Like, if we want to be real, like the little, like, cloak thing that's like splitting to an age of Ultron is garbage. You don't like the duster? No, that shit was garbage.

It's like, I'll be honest with you, though. Sometimes when the people have crazy, weird-looking suits, which Hawkeye, if we're being honest, kind of does in the comic books, it'll be difficult to see Hawkeye wearing that. Now, I do have a prediction later on in midnight speculation

that has to do with that because I think something's going to happen with that. My heard moment between them two is just I personally like them this is going to be a really weird moment where he's, we asked her, he says, what are you 18? She looks back and she says, no, I'm 22.

Let me tell you why that moment, why I like that moment. That line shows that he inherently underestimates her. Because she says 18, he goes same thing. He underestimates her. He thinks she's in over her head. He thinks she's got like Jambi says, too much dip on a chip.

He thinks she's a baby. She thinks she's a hero. And so they're going to meet somewhere in the middle of that, right? They're going to meet somewhere. Either he's going to make her the hero or he's going to bring out the hero in her that already exists because she already has a skill set. She just needs to be molded. Seeing what's going to happen to make him take an interest in helping her be who she wants

to be, I think is going to be one of the most dynamic parts of this series, right? Because that's the thing, right? You have a mentor, mentee relationship. You have like a Luke going to Degobah. It's like, oh, train me, train me, train me, train me. And Yoda's like, I don't want to. Is that your Yoda voice? That's my Yoda.

To train you, I do not want. Is that not good? That doesn't work. It's pretty bad. Does anybody have a better Yoda? Thank you. So like, so, so, you know, but what Yoda wants Luke to do in that situation, he already knows who Luke is, knows that Luke has the side of him. He wants Luke to prove that he wants it.

Hawkeye doesn't even know he wants her to do that yet because he doesn't want her to want it. But when he does and they form that bond and he makes her the new Hawkeye, I'm looking forward to the sequence of events that's going to make that happen. I think the interplay between them is just going to grow. They do it in the first episode. They kind of talk about what Kate's weakness is. Her mom basically goes like, yo, you've been young and rich your whole life, you know? And I think that's the thing that I'm interested between

to really dive into with Clint and Kate is that Kate comes from privilege, you know? Clint does not. And that's, I think, her weakness is that she does think she's better than she is. She does think of the world in a certain type of rose-colored glasses. The first episode, we see it. Like, Clint has been through some shit.

And I want to see that dynamic of somebody who's been through some shit and someone who's still kind of like hopeful, a child, you know? Yeah. In the things we loved, I had Kate's rich mom calling her out for being privileged and rich. I want to talk about something else that I love. Let's talk about Rogers the Musical. God damn it. Rogers the Musical. Now, let me ask you a question.

It's a question that Steve, shout out to Steve. Is Rogers the Musical whack and in poor taste? think about it. Tony's dead. Nat's dead. Steve. To the public, he's most likely dead.

To the most likely dead. I don't know, man. It doesn't seem like there's very much to celebrate with Rogers a musical. Also, if I may, a lot of people died

in that battle. Yeah. In New York. In New York. Like, that's why I think Hawkeye is kind of like, uh,

and then at one point he's like, that guy's not there. Like, they just put A man in that shit. And he's like, he wasn't there. Quick follow-up.

Why would Clint go to that? His kids. His kids would be like, listen, I don't want to do that. See, this is the difference between black parents and white parents. There's no fucking way I'm going to get my dad,

rest and peace, to go to a musical about his job. You know what I mean? There's no way I would get my dad to, we're not going to concrete finisher, the musical, where people are going around making up songs about trials

and trial machines and construction. You're not going to that. So all this stuff they could have done in New York in the winter, and they had a great itinerary, by the way. The great itinerary for the stuff that they wanted to do. It was a pretty good itinerary. Yeah, it was a New York in the winter. They want to go see Rogers and musical?

Come on, man, I've been through this. And it's giving me PTSD. It's actually messing with me. Shout out to the kids, though. You know, the daughter recognized it, and they all came out. And he was like, you guys don't want to see the musical? They're like, no, Dad, we want to spend this time with you.

All right, no kids are doing that. So, Tracksuit Mafia. They're in it. Bro. They're very funny. Your thoughts, Charles, Tracksuit Mafia. Let's go. Love them.

They're from the comic. Hilarious. I will say, living in New York, I would die of laughter. If, like, there was, if the TracksuMovue was real, I'm just like, you guys are not inspiring any fear in anyone's heart. but this is great. I also, like, going back to my original point,

yo, how do they wax Kate like that? Like, why is Kate letting a bunch of, like, fucking no-name gangsters beat her up? I don't, like, that was the part of them.

I was like, this is weird. I thought she was good at martial arts. Well, I mean, she's still, to the point, she's probably going to be

trained by Hawkeye to be a little bit better at martial arts. The tracks suit mafia is a bunch of, a bunch of heavy guys, a bunch of grown-ass, big dudes who fight.

And they're, you know, they're, the Tracksuit Mafia. I thought they were hilarious. I like, I love a bumbling villain. I love a little bumble. You know what I mean? My favorite two villains of all time. Who are the best two home invasion people of all time? The wet bandits.

The wet bandits. The wet bandits. The wet bandits caught a L two years in a row. Well, I still love them. The wet bandits. the best home invasion dudes ever, the wet bandits. I'll tell you what, though, every time they said, one of them said, bro, I laughed.

It was, it was comedy. But if we're being real, if we wanted to be accurate, this is why they needed me to be a consultant. They needed Nike Tech, please. If they're really going to be the, if they're really going to be, you know, in 2021, they needed the Nike Tech, please. That's what they would be wearing to terrorize the streets.

By the way, I don't be real with you. If I was Russian, shout out to all my Russian, fans. Shout out to all of the Russian people who fuck with us here on the Midnight Boys. If I was Russian, I would start to get a little pissed off. The Russians in movies

now are kind of what the black guys were in 1995 prior. The Russians are, the Russians were the bad guys in the Equalizer. The Russians were the bad guys in John Wick.

His Russian mafia, Russian, Russian, Russian. I guess they just basically go, because they're white, then that must be cool to make all the bad guys in New York and L.A. and stuff like this are all Russian guys. He's Russian, Russian, Russian, crime, crime, crime.

I get it. But I'm saying, I'm looking at this and I'm hearing a lot of Russian accents and it's tied to crime. Have the Russians in movies been defanged? You know, in terms of how menacing. You know, like an Ivan Drago, like you were scared of him.

You know what I'm saying? That was some Cold War bullshit. Like, you were never going to meet up with him. These Russians, they're making them responsible for everything. You know? And I'm not saying they're not, look, I'm not saying they're doing. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa. Hold on for a second.

Whoa. I'm not saying y'all not the realest because obviously y'all are. That's what I'm saying. They're making them a little bit like defaigging them a little bit. But shout out to the Russians, man. They do other stuff. Shout out to our Russian listeners. We love you guys.

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The larping scene. I didn't know what a larp was before this scene. I had no idea. I will be honest. Like in the group chat, Jomey and Steve started talking about larping and I had to like on my side shit like look it up on like

I was surprised that you guys knew so much about larping. Steve give us the people a little rundown in the history of the Lark. Why'd you go to Steve directly? Why'd you go to Jome? I know Steve Larp's. That's why. You just went right to Steve. I know he LARPS. Steve I look at Steve right now. I look at Steve right now and that motherfucker got LARPA

written all over him. I know he LARPS. I can tell he LARPS. Steve, why you tell people about LARPing and like what goes on when you guys get together. So LARPing is basically, it stands for live action role playing. Basically, if you have a Dungeons and Dragons type of role playing simulation, usually it's full of like, you know, wizards and knights and all that stuff. It's basically you get to dress up in, you know, armor and foam swords and you get to fight one another and go on adventures in the park. Almond Joy, be real. Have you ever larts before? One time. I knew it. What the fuck did I just say?

Like, what? All of y'all would act like I was being, what did I say? Like, what did I say? I could look at them. I could, I see, yeah, look at them. Larp, where did you larp at? Montrose Beach.

Montrose Beach, you larped. It was a great day. What did you dress as? We didn't dress, we just had like swords. Like, we didn't have like the full get-ups or anything, but we just got like, you know, foam weapons and stuff. I had like a spear. Last but not.

Steve, were you like the king of the larping situation? No, no, no. I wasn't, I wasn't, a lot of people were going way harder than me. Way hard. Don't lie. I'm not. I trust me. I'm not. Honestly, if anybody has some larping planned, invite the midnight boys out.

We might run, we might come. It's fun. Invite us to a larp. We there. I'm serious. Yeah, I'm not serious. Invite the midnight boys. Anybody who can hear this, invite the midnight boys.

to a larp. We're there. We larp. I'll larp every Saturday. It looks like good exercise. So the larping scene was great because there's nothing that a real fighter hates more than fake fighting. It's just there's nothing that a real fighter that a real warrior hates more than fake fighting.

And he just, he wasn't down with the larp. And the fact that he had to get down with it to get the Rona suit back was great. You want to know what I want to call Capon when he goes, I fought Thanos, you know. like Hawkeye like let's be serious bro what did Hawkeye do against Thanos well he fought several of doubt riders

yeah but that's like saying like you know I got an NBA ring but she was riding the bench the whole time like you didn't really fight that like Ironman did Cap did Thor did Hawkeye did you really I mean you've been really a you know pedantic about this I think ultimately

you know he was there he saw Thanos his own eyes he could he held the You know how many people saw Thanos with their own eyes? No, but he was in the scrum, though. Like, he was in the mud. You saw, come on, man. Yeah, he, he, you could make a, you could make an argument that he saved the day. I'm serious.

Yeah, he let Matt, he let Matt get off that thing, bro. He let Matt fly. Yeah. But what did he do against Dana? Like, come on, let's be real. And I love Hawkeye. I love Hawkeye. He killed a bunch of outriders.

He fought them. He fought them. He fought the whole thing. Outwriters are not Thanos. They're not Thanos. Like, let's see. that scene though was probably my favorite scene of the first two episodes because it's it's presented like an action scene for everybody else except for Clint he's just like doing it in his sleep

it's just like yeah now this is like this is more like like imagine like trying to face lebron james and he's just going like not even half speed and you're like playing your you're like playing the best game of your life he's just like yeah just give me that thank you you're welcome like it was just so funny That was a great scene. I love the scene. I also love the interaction between him and the guy who stole the suit. What was his name again?

Grills. Grills. Why did they give the black man? Come on. Come on. Girls, really? That's that man name. We'll see Charles.

We're going to see Charles. We'll see. We'll see Charles. It's a moment for a real person to get close to an Avenger. That's probably the Avenger you're going to get close enough to it. He got a chance to put the LARP action down on. on Hawkeye. It was a dope scene. It was very funny. If I'm grills, I'm doing that shit. I'm doing

it too. And by the way, I'm bragging about it. I gave Hawke out of business and he was short. And also, I thought that was a great device that that's the way he had to get the Ronin suit back rather than fight like 10 guys. Yeah. Like, if he had to

fight like 10 guys to get the suit back, that's something we've seen. But the fact that he had to go through some mundane hero bullshit, completely antithetical to stuff that you normally does. I thought that was a great little device. This episode is brought to by Whole Foods Market. Spring is here, so celebrate it with fresh, juicy, seasonal produce,

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Who do we think killed Armand? Shout out to our guy, Musa. Galaxy Brain take right here. I think it was Kate's mom. I think she's the secret up. I think the boy or the fiancé is the guy who's post think is evil, but really it's her mother pulling all the strings on the back end. So let me tell you why I believe that.

Casting Vera Farminga in that role, you're tipping your hand. Sometimes they cast an actor and he pops in and he pops back out and you go, why would he do that? She wouldn't just be the mom in something. She's got a bigger role.

at some point. Maybe it's not that, but her role is definitely bigger. I personally think that could be true because I think, and I almost slipped up and said this earlier, that swordsman is not going to end up being the big bad guy of this series. I don't think he will be. Red Herring, for sure. Wait, can I give you guys my prediction? Go forward. I think Eleanor, the mom, is working with whatever the secret organization that we found out about in Falcon and the Winter Soldier that Yelaine is now a part of with Fontaine and everything. That's why Armand the third is like yelling at her and being like, yo, my cousin shouldn't be your fiance, blah, blah, blah.

And that's how I think we get Yelena in this because she seems like she has a security company, quote unquote. And the technology and the security company looked very close to what Sharon was using during the power broker scenes during Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I noticed that when she was looking on there and like it looked kind of the same. Maybe that's who she was talking to at the end of part. Also really quick,

just kind of like nerd, a nerd second. When like Katie kept going on like the phone that had the app for the security company and just like looking people up, I'm like, what type of technology is this for a security company to have? Like I would know like if Stark had this tech,

I would be like, yeah, sure. Stark can track whoever. What type of tech company? is this? And how can they just track anybody by their phone number? I mean, it happens. It happens.

But if it was a part of a secret organization, then I'd be like, all right, cool. Yeah, that makes sense. It's kind of what happens when you know, you accept the cookies on your phone. You don't want to do that. Do you know what I mean? They ask you.

I always accept the cookies. Like, my phone. I don't even know what that means. I just say no, just because I don't, yeah, I don't even know what really accepted cookies means. It's just like, I don't want to accept the cookies, though. So I don't do it.

Okay. All right, Echo. How big will Echo be in the series? What do you guys think? I know that we all know that she has her own Disney Plus series that's coming out pretty soon. Jami, what do you think Echo's situation is going to be like? I think she's going to be a tertiary villain, you know, just like popping in and out being like a thorn in their side. But ultimately won't be like her ending will set up her spin off, I believe.

So she won't be in there too much. But I've never, I've not familiar with Echo. from like the comics only like read a read a little bit so I'm not too familiar so I'm excited to see what she brings to this story I will say that them bring in echo now and the rumors of daredevil being in the Spider-Man movie

and then the kingpin of it all whether he's in it whether it's not they're introducing a lot of daredevil characters so I'm like I'm interested to see where they go and this is this might be a little off the being pet Do you think there's any way that we get a Disney Plus Daredevil show?

Oh, I think it's eventually coming. I think so. I don't think they're going to do a movie and I think they're bringing a character back. I don't think it's going to be the same as the last one, though. I don't think it's going to be... Well, it depends on... Well, you know what, though?

They are... Aren't they going crazy hard on Moon Night? It's moon night. Yeah. It's going to be a little bit more violent, a little bit more dark. Those Netflix shows had a grit about them that I don't know if it's going to play on Disney Plus,

but I think we'll see the character. I think we'll see them. You guys don't agree? Steve, it looked like you were shaking your head. You don't think so? I think it was the thought process that you had because it's like, ah, those, that Daredevil show was pretty dark back in the

Netflix days. But I think they, I think they could give it a new, like, veneer. I do think that, like, the darkness of that show sometimes was its worst enemy, so I actually am going to be kind of, I would be cool of them kind of emceuification it, you know? And it, and if you,

and if we were to make this a little twist on it, if we wanted to, you know, give new life into Daredevil, like, we see for Hawkeye. We take a look at that Mark Wade run from Daredevil, make that that charming little Matt Murdoch. Charlie Cox can easily do that. I like this, Steve.

I like that. Steve, you can't give these ideas away for free, man. I know, what the hell you know is, man? Midnight Boyd's Productions. So you touch a little bit on Kingpin. You think Kingpin shows up? What do you guys think? Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

He spins in it. He's in it. He pins in the show. You villain ever. Best MCU villain ever. When does the final episode of this show air? Because if it comes up before Spider-Man, and we see Kingpin in the episode or in the show,

that tips their hand for Spider-Man, because everybody's like, oh, Charlie Cox's coming back, a Kingpin's coming back. Finaleys after Spider-Man. There it. Okay. So we might see him and like, I think we'll see Spider-Man,

and then we'll see Kingpin. If we see Kingpin before we see the Spider-Man movie, that tips their hand, and it's just like all over. Good point, Jomey. Good point. What about a solo lucky episode? I don't think there's any. There's only six episodes that we just got two.

They got a lot of story to get to. I don't know because one of the most well-regarded comic books of that of the Hawkeye original run was one that had Lucky. And it was a silent comic and it was so good. It's like so great. I just don't know if you can do that. If they only have four episodes left? You guys, you guys big Lucky fans? Love Lucky.

Oh, yeah. Big Pizza Dog fans out here. Come on. man. Van, you have Bozeman. Like, what? But my, I look at the dog and my heart just melts. I love that dog.

Oh, you love it. Oh, yeah, I want to adopt Lucky. I want to give a dog. I'll tell you one thing. I can't do that with Bozeman. I can't just give Bozeman pizza all the time. He's got a finicky stomach. Give Bose and pizza.

You wake up in the middle of the night. That's what happens. Take me outside. No, take yourself outside. Okay. I have to sleep. What? Now, Jomey was picking some nits about that opening scene about the invasion of New York.

I have one knit to pick when it came to Lucky, actually. When Kate Bishop comes out of that illegal auction when the tracksuit mob is chasing her, and there's the guy who's the getaway guy who's like loading stuff into the truck and Lucky attacks him, Kate Bishop walks out. She's only seen this dog one other time. She runs out effectively from this auction house and sees a man getting mauled by a dog. and her immediate reaction, she doesn't know if this is with the track suits or not,

just immediately says fuck you and kicks him down and takes the dog with her. I believe that. I would do that. I'll go with that too. Trust animals. Come on. There's a reason.

Okay. All right. Trust animals. Come on. Like, I don't know. If a dog's just mawling seemingly a random guy. Did you see Lucky? Lucky's cute.

If I see a cute dog balls about it, I'm like, yeah, I'm on the dog side. I mean, I tell you what, if I see a dog and a beef with a human, the dog gets the benefit of the doubt, Now, if the dog comes around and he gets a little grizzly with me, a little fight-o, I gotta get out of here. But I give the dog to the-

Wait, Van, but let's be real. Let's be real. If I ever, like, if I'm ever just out and, like, there's like a white couple and, like, the dog starts barking at me, I kind of do look at the couple, be like, come on. Like, I mean, I'm honest with you. I used to, I wrote a whole blog on this. Like, jogging around the streets of L.A.,

looking at the dogs that look like they attack me and want some smoke with me. I'm looking at you in a specific way. You guys know who you are. downtown L.A. people. You train your dogs a specific way, and I know it. Whatever. I also have a midnight speculation prediction. We will see Hawkeye in his full traditional suit in this series.

I thought he was going to do it at the LARPing thing. I was like, oh, LARPing, we're going to get the fucking suit. For some reason, we will see Hawkeye in his traditional suit in this series. That's going to happen. Is he going to have the H for eyes in this one? They might do the H. The H for eyes is kind of. though it's kind of whack.

But, like, they might do it. You know what else they should do? They should throw back to when Hawkeye didn't want Falcon in the Avengers because he thought it was due to affirmative action. All right. That's one of the wildest things that ever happened in an Avengers book. I'm sorry. It was just like they were trying to be topical because affirmative action was a topic then.

But that's one of the wildest things that ever, just to see Hawkeye talking about whether or not Falcon was in a. was an affirmative action hire, which he clearly is. Like that, like that, like that, that was one of the wildest things

they ever did in the Avengers book. Shout out to Hawkeye. We love you, dog. Okay. Final thoughts and hopes for the Hawkeye series before we let Jomey get two minutes

to talk about something very close to his heart. Final thoughts, all of you, quickly. You got 30 seconds each. I'm very optimistic about this. I think this is leaving

one of the better first impressions that has ever been left with me in an MCU show right up there with Loki, honestly, for this first premiere. I think that this has nowhere to go but up because our expectations were seemingly non-existent. And now this is seemingly proving to be a great time.

I love it. Like Steve said, very excited to see where the show goes. First show episodes were great. And we only got a little taste of the K-Dynamic, and it was really fun so far. To be able to build over that for the next four episodes, that's like the crux of the show. And it was already good in its beginnings.

to see that even growing further, I'm really excited to see it. So, yeah, I'm excited. Let's get it. If it does it right, this might be a top two MCU Disney Plus show. I don't want to put that pressure on it. I don't want to put that pressure on it.

But I think if it sticks to landing, man, I think it could either, it could be below Loki. It would have to do a lot to be above Loki, but I think it could punch above its weight. I believe in Hawkeye. Yeah, it's got a lot of, a lot of room to get above Loki.

Loki has so much going on, man. But I will say if, like, if they land the kingpin shit, if Echo is fire, you know, if Yelana shows up, it could hit above its way. I'm not saying it will, but it has the potential. All right, you guys, we are so into Hawkeye. We some Hawkeye and we some eyes. We some hawk eyes. All right, we are so into Hawkeye. We're going to be checking in with you guys over the next couple of weeks, the next few weeks, the next handful of weeks, a lot of weeks, basically, at the end of every show.

so glad to be back in the Disney Plus Ringer again. On the Ringer and the Disney Plus Ringer. Okay. Now look, Jomi, Jomey has all of these different things that he's into and he wants to get us into him, right? Things that he loves. Stuff that, like, really means a lot to Jomey. And he's got so many interests that a lot of times we can't get to him all. You know, Jomey is really about this fandom life, maybe more than anyone I've ever known.

Jomi, Jomi, Jomi's out there. So he wants to talk about arcane. And that's something that a lot of you guys have been asking us to talk about. I'll be honest with you. I don't know what it is. People have been like, man, are you guys going to talk about arcane? I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I don't have no idea what this is.

But I've been hearing a lot of stuff about it. And maybe I should lock in to it, as Jomi says. So this is the name of a new segment. And it's called Lock In With Jomey. All right, Jomi, two minutes on the clock. Starting now, sell us on Arcane and as much as you can. Go. It's really simple.

Arcane is probably one of the best animated shows I've seen it a long time. In this year, it's up there with Invincible. It's that good. Wow. The art is beautiful. The animation is beautiful. The voice acting is incredible. It's a great story.

It's based on League of Legends. Now, I only played League of Legends for like two hours. Shout out to Isaac and Eduardo. best friends from high school, and I was like, I'm out. But this show, no matter what you know about the canon, no matter what you know about the game, it brings you in with the characters and the story. It's honestly, it's honestly legitimately great television.

Nine episodes, 40 minutes each. It's great. Every single one of y'all should tap in this Thanksgiving break. You will have a great time. There's nothing else to say about it. That good. It's that good. How many locks out of five would you give Arcane?

By doing those locks, you have to name different members of the locks out of those locks. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. I don't know what that means. The locks, the musical group. What's wrong with you? No. I don't know what that means.

I don't know what you're talking about. Wait, have you never heard the locks too? No, you're less than nothing. I'm learning so much right now. Wait, have you, wait, no, I'm being serious, show me. Have you never heard of the locks? No. Okay, you know the song.

You know a song. The first time I'm hearing about the lock. You've never heard of Jada kiss. Jada kiss. I know Jada kiss. Jada kiss. Stiles P. Sheik.

Okay. I know Jada kiss. I know Jada Kis. You've never heard of Sheik. You all know the locks? What the fuck? Not together. Wait a minute.

Jomey. Not together. It's incredible. I know Stiles P. I know Jada kiss. Oh, no. Yeah, they did the thing. They did the verses the other day.

Uh, with. What the fuck, dog? What's going on? Are you being serious? I'm being so serious. No, you're not, bro. I'm being so serious.

Jomi. I'm being so serious. Come on, man. This is incredible. This is incredible. You got to understand something. I was born in 1996. Okay.

I understood. Did you know who Kanye West is? Listen. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, but here's what I'm saying, you got to let me tell my story. I had an old sister growing up, right? I listened.

to, what is it? I listen to Disney, Disney Radio Disney. You know what I'm saying? She had control of the dial. You feel me? I know the Jonas brothers. I know Miley Cyrus.

You understand? I'm saying. I'm not plugged in. You know what I'm saying? She had control of the dial. All right, Jomey, how many locks out of five? So I can't say Jada Kins of Stiles P, that's two.

But out of, you know, five out of five locks. Deadbolt you crib. Five out of five locks. Turn the key. Five out of five. Live blocks, it's that good, and I got to do some homework on Spotify tonight. That's amazing.

That's amazing. Jomi, thanks for the content because that was great. Okay, guys, look, I know that some of you are still shocked by that last part. It's okay. But you guys have to say about the Midnight, boys. This is judgment-free zone. We love everyone. Just one.

Wait, actually, play the stop-the-cap because this is not a judgment-free zone. This is the most judgmental zone I've ever been on in a podcast before. Okay. That's a wrap, guys. Friday, the House of Our returns. They're going to have a deep dive on Hawkeye. The Midnight Boys will return with our instant reactions to Hawkeye episode three next Wednesday. At Ringerverse is on Facebook, IG, and Twitter, join, and send questions, ideas, and thoughts. Producer credits.

Our producer is Steve Alman. Jomi Adiron is on socials. Hashtag free Jomi, hashtag bang. The locks, Jomey. Additional production from Arjuna, Ramgapal, and of course, producer TD. Charles, take us out. Haley, Jomi wants

you to check your DMs. He wants to know how you're living. Shout out to the locks. And everyone, please have a happy Thanksgiving. It's fucking great. Guys, if we're casting the original Avengers as a Thanksgiving meal,

who would everyone be? I don't know that I understand the question. So, like, Captain America would be the turkey. Centerpiece, the heart of the meal. That's Tony. He's bland, boring. I love it. Tony's the turkey.

No, Tony's the macaroni. Wrong. First of all, Tony, Tony can't be the macaroni because there is a, can I fucking finish? There's a debate on Twitter about whether or not macaroni and cheese is actually a Thanksgiving food. Excuse me? I don't subscribe to this.

It definitely is. I don't subscribe to this. I say yes, but Tony's got to be, Tony is the turkey. Come on, man. Tony's the first one. He's the first one. He's the macaroni.

He's the lovable dish that is the true favorite, but he's not the heart. Captain America is the heart, which would be the turkey. And he's bland and dry, as Jomey headset. I think Captain America is the mashed potatoes. Really? Because he's white?

Yeah. Yeah. That's the whole answer, to be honest with you. Would Thorby sweet potatoes? Stores are sweet potatoes. Hawkeye is Greengreen casserole. No, no, no. Hawkeye is the canned cranberry because everybody hates him.

I was going to go with Natasha was the canned cranberry because a little sweet. Yeah. Wait, who's the stuffing? Who's the stuffing? I think the stuffing is the Hulk. you love the stuffing you love the stuffing you love the stuffing but the stuffing doesn't get as many accolades as it should

and if it disappears for two years no one's going to notice that the stuff was gone for that one that's true that's true could come back smart and first of all it's a decent stuffing and then somebody brings in a new stuffing for the next one and then that's the better one yeah yeah oh I like this

the takes are flying out so a couple of more who is the I know I know what Black Panther is what's my panther? Don't put you. He's the grains. The greens, the collard greens? The green, the collard greens.

Come on. Ha ha. Hey, boy, go get them greens, man. Hey, I can't wait. I can smell them. Walking the door. Hey, somebody cooking greens in here. I said, I can't wait.

Put a little handbone in him. Ha ha. What do you sound like that? That's it. Because that's how a cartoon character you are right now. You sound like fog or leghorn. Wait a minute. What's going on?

Because I'll be honest with you. That's how all old niggas from the South that really like greens, that's how they act. They come in there and they act like, like greens is the one thing that they can't live without. Ha ha. Oh, I take boy, your mama can make some greens. Oh, hey. It's always an old black man. He's like, all right, you put the whole hammock in there?

Let me see that. Let me see. We got to get it in there. I'm just like, guys. It's the same every year. And then you take something. Then we'll move off this because it's great post credits. But they do.

something in the South, at least where I'm from in Baton Rouge where they take the greens and they mash them up with the cornbread. Have y'all seen this? Never in my life. Come on, then. I don't know about that. So you're saying that

that doesn't happen? No, I've never. I've never seen that happen. They take the greens and now I think it used to be something I used to, now I think about it is nasty. Not that I think about it. They, I'm telling you, where I'm from, they take the cornbread, they mash it up with the greens, and they mash it up with the greens, and then they eat it. Is this a lengthened household thing?

That ain't it. It's not. I've eaten at so many, I've never heard of this before. Cut this part and then put this, I'm not, I'm not bullshin you. Cut this part and then put this part out there so people can see, they take the cornbread, mashy, mashy, break off a piece, mash it up with the greens. It gets a little wet, almost like a greens corn goulash, and they eat it. This is so weird. Now, you're making this up.

That's fake. I promise you that this is a thing. You know what? Let's move on. It's time to get out to it. I think that's the quickest. We found a post-credit scene within like three minutes of the pod. It's true.

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