The Ringer-Verse - 'House of the Dragon' and 'She-Hulk' Catch-Up | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: August 31, 2022

Van returns and The Midnight Boys want to give their takes on the hottest new shows. They weigh in on the smash hit 'House of The Dragon', and see if they are ready to get back into the 'Game of Thrones' world (10:50). Then, they tap into the MCU hit show 'She-Hulk' and see if the attorney is going to bring justice to the MCU (41:27). Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Addition Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, my name is Dave Gonzalez, and I haven't read any of the books in George R. Martin's The Song of Bison Fire. I'm Joanna Robinson. I've read every book in George R. Martins, a Song of Ice and Fire. And I'm Neil Miller, and I have also read all of those books. We are headed back to Westeros to cover the Game of Thrones spin-off series, House of the Dragon. We'll be answering your question, so send us a raven at Trialby Content at gmail.com. Take some bread and salt and join us Thursdays on the Trial by Content feed, and don't worry, you're safe. The reins of Castamere hasn't even been written yet. With adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters.

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sounds delicious. Get savings with yellow sale signs storewide and everyday low prices on 365 brand items. Enjoy the fresh flavors of spring. Save at Whole Foods Market. Into the ringerverse. This is of course the ringers nexus podcast feed for all things fandom. We are Steve, the architect all he who puts it all together. We are. Jomey, the explainer. A dinner on, you've got questions. He's got answers. He's got Jolof Rice. We are.

Old Man Van. He of the aspirational headline. And we are Coke, baby, Chuck, the 24-carat clothes or brunch hotty. Together, we are known as of a midnight boys. Reunited. And it feels so good. We haven't been together. We're reunited and it feels so good.

It's amazing. We're back. Charles, we haven't been together. Charles was on vacation, letting hot sauce run down his leg. And then I was on vacation. Wait, did I tell you guys about the hot sauce story? Yeah, you did.

You told us about the hot sauce story. You went to brunch. Well, you put it. No, you actually didn't tell us. We read it from your, from your Twitter. So I was on two weeks of vacation. my, the missus and I were doing a nice, we were going for brunch every day,

spending some quality time, checking out some new restaurants, go to this restaurant, I pick up a bottle of hot sauce, chelula, and then I just feel wetness on my leg. Just pure wetness, and I look down, and like the bottle is exploded.

And here's the thing they don't teach you. A, don't go to the brunch with gym shorts on because there was no crotch protection, all right? There was like, I had the champion shorts, just holes. So it was just seeping down my leg in my crotch. The waiter was just like, this is kind of weird.

This is the second time this has happened today. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you've had two exploding bottles of hot sauce and didn't fucking tell me, all right? So if you ever have hot sauce down your leg, do not take a shower right away. Because boy was my shit fucking burning. Like, my girl had to, like, research, like, what do you do when there's hot sauce on your leg and your shit is on fucking fire? Like, it was like fire ants.

were like biting my fucking crotch and leg area. It was bad. Is you, is this some kind of, don't be honest with you, bro. Is this some kind of freak game between you and Maria? Be honest, bro. Is this some kind of, like, because this sounds really, I don't know, man. Jomi, don't this sound a little convenient. I don't know, man.

Yeah. How are you going to turn this into a sexual thing? Why am I put a hot sauce on my fucking crotch from fun? Because you're at home, you're like, oh, spicy. see. Oh, no. Let's report. So did you, did you, did you, did you have any permanent damage?

Nope. No permanent damage. Everything is working fine. So, yeah. All right. Programming reminds. Programming reminders. Programming reminders.

Thursday, Ben Lindberg returns to breakdown episode three of She-Hulk. He'll be joined by Daniel Chin. Daniel. I love Daniel. So they're going to break down. Episode 3 of She-Hulk, Friday, the House of R, will be diving deep into the first two episodes of rings of power. Rings of Power.

I haven't made up a Rings of Power song yet. Maybe I won't. Maybe I'll give it a rest. How about that? Maybe I won't force my talent on to people anymore. Maybe you guys don't deserve it. I was singing the House of the Dragon song in the house. And Kalika told me I need to stop.

I was on the couch. House of the Dragon, yeah, yeah, yeah. House of the Dragon, yeah, yeah. Who's the Dragon? She's like, she's not, you know what? That's fine. Don't let her stifle your flare, man. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Steve. This Sunday, Talk to Thrones is back again.

As Chris Ryan, Mal and Joe give you their instant reactions to House of the Dragon right after the episode is done. So right after you've tried to figure out what's going on in the show, there'll be somebody there to let you know what these blonde people are up to. This is a whole fucking show of Steve's. And they got all kinds of hijinks. And they fucking killed a baby episode one. They don't give a fuck. Oh, we got to talk about it. We got to talk about it.

They don't care. Jesus. A lot of new faces here on the Ringiverse fee. We should talk about how we feel about it. You know? We feel great. That's it. Okay.

You a gatekeeper ass motherfucker, man. I'm a gatekeeper? Yeah. How am I a gatekeeper? Let all, let the people in. Let the family grow. It's different when you built the gate. We're not gatekeepers.

We're gate builders. All of us here, like all of us here, like we, me, you, Mal, Joe, Steve, Jomi, we built the gate. I like how, you know, it took Chris Ryan getting on the Ring of World Street for man to be like, now hold on. It has nothing to do with, Chris. Listen, you got to double-check. What's happening? Jesus Christ.

You guys trying army get you, man. You guys can't drive a wedge between Chris and me. Me and Chris talk about the shows that you guys never even watch before. Me and Chris talk about shows. You guys don't even watch the shows that we watch. Why? Because you both got AARP cards? Like, damn, chill.

So what? Talk about Yee-Haw Reef runs. So how about this? They watch Gunsmoke together. Gunsmoke is a great show. This is what we have. We have AARP cards and you guys have EBT cards. You broke motherfuck.

Life hack. Shout out to. Shout out Jorg and Liggins. You don't need to be old to have an AARP card. You could just go to the movies on a discount with an AAPT card. That's facts. There's no age. That is true.

Whoa. No age requirements for AARP card. Is that true? Very true. Yep. Very true. Wait, can I just say something before we get to the spoiler warning, something very important? What is it?

Guys, do you guys know what time it is? We are 50 days, 10 hours, 36 minutes, and 12 seconds away from the most important movie. Oh, God, you're not doing this right now. Charles. Black Adam is coming. Charles, can we talk about this real quick? Yeah, what's up? I want to make sure that we have a discussion about this because I'm getting tired of your shit, Charles.

I'm getting sick of your shit. You're doing this weird high school sophomore. I'm unaffected, but yet I'm into everything that's kind of on the fringes. And I don't love it for you. Like now you're the biggest, now you were the biggest finish, let there be Carnage fan. Vennel let there be Carnish fan. Now you're the biggest Black Adam fan.

Everything that comes out and everybody else is kind of on, You're like, I don't like it. I don't like Pearl Jam. Give me Pantera. You know what I mean? Like it's like you're on the fringes. And now you're doing this whole fucking black Adam thing. Where is this coming from?

Here's the thing. I'm gonna be honest. You want to know what it sounds like? A lot of niggas out there are afraid. They're scared. Okay. Because the hierarchy of power is about to change in the DC universe. And we're not used to that.

We're not used to that, all right? A black man. is about to snatch fucking Superman's cape. The rock is about to show us. This is about to be one of the most important superhero movies since Black Panther. And the fact that y'all can't see it is really hard in my feelings.

By the way, I don't think he's black in this movie. He's, what are you talking about? I think he's black in name only. Like, he's not like Adam Jenkins. Like, I don't think he black. You know? Wait, y'all are, y'all don't want to see. the power hierarchy of the D.C. universe change.

I know you're not serious by the way that you're... I am. I am serious. What are you talking about? The Rock's tagline that he had on that stupid-ass shirt. That nigga back is way too big, bro. All right, here's the thing. The Rock should really... The Rock opened my third eye,

and y'all aren't ready for Black Adams. So when it's one of the greatest movies of all time, I will want my apology. Thank you. I think it's going to be good. But I know what you're doing right now. I'm not doing anything. Jomi.

It's true. Charles trolling. Charles is for sure doing a bit. And on the Black Adam front, I'm not really trying to, I'm not really trying to mess with the studio that's only, you know, that's broke and only released two other movies this year.

He's got no money. That's nuts. When Black Adam becomes one of the biggest movies of the year, I want an apology from all y'all fucking eaters. Okay. I'll give it to you. I want apology for you when they released that bitch on Tooby. When he comes out,

they break it down. to a three-part series on Tooby. DC, I've never seen anything like this before. It's to the point now to where that Matt Reeves show with Bruce Tim might end up on Disney Plus, imagine Disney just having Batman content up on it. That's so crazy. That's the hardest shit ever.

No, Disney, I'm not going to lie, bro. If Disney gets the Batman, if Disney gets the Bruce Tim Matt Reeves animated Batman show, I will buy a lifetime subscription to Disney Plus. I'll just give them like, $10,000. I'm telling you, I buy a lifetime subscription

because that's two gangster. Like, that's two gangster. Yo, your Warner Brothers, I got your bitch. You know, my shit. It's just weird. On today's show,

we're going to be doing a midnight check-in on the house of the drag in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And She-Hawk. She-Hawk. She-Hawk. She-Hawk.

She-Hawk is probably in Black Adam. Hawk, man, She-Hawk. Oh, girl. We're not doing reactions to individual episodes. We're just having general convos about what we've seen so far. And because of that, Steve, who's a little down in the dumps today, we're not going to talk about it.

We're going to make sure we lift our brother in Christ up, but he has to do something for us first, and that's roll the spoiler warning. Let's go. We're getting ready to talk about the House of the Dragon. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, let's start a House of the Dragon. First question, what is everybody's history with Game of Thrones before we get into House of the Dragon? Where did you first love it?

Where did you first see it? How did you feel about it? Let's start with Chuck. I'm going to be honest, it's going to make me a little sad to admit this, but it's how far I've come. I watched like the first, like I watch everything up to the Red Wedding for Game of Thrones on like one of those like one, two, three movie sites. You know the ones where like I couldn't even know. before HBO. So like, I was like, infecting my computer, be like, all right, I got

I got to watch all this shit. That's how broke I was when I watched Game of Thrones the first time around. Yeah, I think I just fell in love with the TV show didn't know a lot about the books. And I think, like, everyone, just became obsessed, podcast, like fucking Vox

breakdowns, YouTube breakdowns when I was just like, yeah, Tyrion and DeNaris and John, they're the three dragons. They have to be, they have to be related. I went down a fucking deep rabbit hole the first time around.

Jomster, you were still in college when it was popping. Or were you in high school? He was in high school. I was in college. Yeah, it started in high school. Oh, Jesus fucking Christ.

Were you even allowed to watch? Did you just see the titties on screen? Didn't know what to do. So you got to check this out, right? I wasn't tapped in through high school, my four years of high school, and my first two years in college, right? It wasn't until I got my,

I was getting my master's degree, where the homie was like, hey, I got to tap in a Game of Thrones, man, da-da-da. And I was like, I'm not really there. You put on the first four episodes. I was like, all right, this is cool. But like, I got things to do, so I'm going to keep it pushing. It wasn't until 2019, right? This is like, I've graduated, unemployed.

And I was like, man, I'll spend Game of Thrones. Why not? And I watched the first seven seasons in seven days. And that was my, that was how I got into the show. I was like, this is cool. one-watch season, everybody. Those would be fun. And it wasn't.

But I had a good time. I know that room. I know that room was like, was stanking after seven days of like doing seven days of Game of Thrones back to deck. What do you mean? Did he hunker down in the room? What are you talking about? Do you know how many,

how long that is seven days? Like, that's not that long. That's like, what is that? It's a week. It's 12 episodes. A day for seven days.

Well, yeah, about 10 or seven days. That's a lot. lot. It was, it was, it was kind of hefty, like, you know, I would going through a moment, were you depressed? Like, where,

I mean, my doctor would probably say so, but, like, ultimately, let me ask you a question. What's up? Let me ask you a question. What's a better show? Agents to Shield a Game of Thrones. I mean, I mean, I mean, it's a tough discussion. Like, we could be here for days. Just answer the question. Ultimately, I would

probably a slight edge to Game of Thrones, just the slightest of Edges. The CGI is better in Agents of Shield, though. All right. follow-up question. If you add enough money to either bring back Young Justice for another season

or have the entire last season of Game of Thrones redone, which one would you rather do? Oh, you know the answer to that. What a stupid question? I want to know. I want to do it. No, obviously.

We get it. I need that season five of Young Justice. We can chill off Game of Thrones season eight. I'm cool. Wait, what? Let me tell you something. What? I just heard something.

I heard that the season five of Young Justice is coming on bounce TV. It's not on free TV? Nah, it'll be coming a Roku streaming channel. Here's my thing with season 8 of Game of Thrones because I didn't like, I wasn't, I waited

like maybe like two months, maybe like six weeks before the new season. People were waiting for years, right? I think like part of why people were so mad because like you waited all this all this time for that, right? They didn't really give you much. If you binge it, it's not the worst thing in the world. You're probably like,

yeah, you know, I kind of use some more filling out there. But it wasn't like the rage inducing, like get online, D&D, I hope y'all, you know, never make anything else good again type anger. I was like, oh, this kind of sucks, but like it was all right. Because you can kind of see the vision. It's just, they just like rest themselves out of there, you know, but I wasn't too upset. So I'd give me injustice every day.

Steve, your experience with Game of Thrones. I was out on Game of Thrones, like, right before the Red Wedding. Like, everybody was talking about it for, I think it was like the tail end of college, like just getting out of college for me. And for some reason, it was not sticking with me at all.

Like, I felt like, low-key bored a little bit, not really, like, vibing with it a whole lot. And then, like, the Turing was great. Like, there was a handful of characters that I was interested in.

But, like, by the time the Red Wedding came along, like, everybody was talking about it, and it was just bouncing right off of me. So I think you'll be excited to know that like I'm kind of loving House of the Dragon though. I mean, I'm not excited to know it at all. I'm happy for you. I'm not sure why that would excite me. But I tell you one thing, House of the Dragon.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm enjoying it too. And I didn't expect to, Steve. Is it Stockholm syndrome though, Steve? Man, maybe. I mean, you recording like seven, eight hours of House of Dragon content each week. So it's very true. It's very true.

I mean, yes, no, it is paying the bills right now. But I will, no, I genuinely think that, like, I'm having a really good time with this. I was in this indie film company called Indie View that I found it with my friends, Patrick and Steve, Patrick and Christian. And Christian Magic is a director from overseas, good director. And me and him were somewhere at one time. We were going to see Inception, I think. Maybe it was after this. Maybe it was after inception.

I can't remember. And he goes, oh, Game of Thrones is coming to HBO. And I was like, oh, what the fuck is that? You know what I mean? He was like, yeah, it's like from this big books. I've never heard of the books a day of my life. And I swear to you, I'd never heard. And so years after the show had the art company had dissolved, those guys are doing great now.

And then I'm at TMZ by this point. and the show is like coming on. And I watched the first episode and I was like, Jesus Christ, what is this? They really are fucking on this. I'm like, what? I never saw any fantasy that was like,

that in your face. And I was, I come from the Princess Bride era of fantasy. You know, and I had no. By the way. Perfect movie. Perfect movie.

I mean, to be fair, I feel like we forget, like, Jamie and Circee were fucking on each other in the first episode, in the pilot. I was just like, We used to the insest now. Yeah.

But back then I was just like, oh, all right, weird. Where's it going to go? But he pushes brand off of the, you know what I mean? It was so crazy. And so I watched it all the way through, and I think it was the death of net start that let me know that anything was possible in the show because the show itself was so subversive to even the audience's expectations that it immediately had me.

So I enjoyed Game of Thrones, and it was an era that we really haven't been able to recreate in terms of that type of Sunday Night viewing and that type of, that was almost like the last breath of the monoculture. The zeitgeist. Yeah. Everybody was on that. Everyone was on that. I remember just in the final, for me, the final days of Game of Thrones weren't as depressing for me as they were for everybody else. It ended on a sour note, but a lot of my favorite shows have. It's just hard to end these shows in the right way.

Having said that, I had given my all to Game of Thrones, and I didn't expect to care about House of the Dragon. And ultimately, I did. Okay, so, like, I'm curious as to when it, like, got you. When House of the Dragon got me? Yeah. It's a good question. I know what House of the Dragon got, because I'm pretty sure that you,

I'm pretty sure that you were coming in fairly skeptical for a lot of this. I was coming in. I was coming in not wanting to do it. I only watched it so we could do this podcast. Right. And I remember I watched it and Collegra looks over at me. Caligua goes, oh, you got that look in your eye and what? She's like, you got that Thrones look.

You know, when I rewind something five or six times because I want to make sure I get the names right and I want to be enthralled into the story. You know, I was kind of there. But Charles, what did it get you? I got to think for me. I'm going to say, before I was in on it fully, I was out because I got very fucking inebriated because we did not have to cover it for the podcast when I was watching the first episode. And let's just say I was out of my mind in terms of just like the state I was in. But I'm like, I'm going to watch House of the Dragon.

And then when the birthing scene happened, I was like so when like she starts like screaming and I'm like, he's not about to sacrifice his wife. I was like, this is evil. Like my mind, I was just like sitting there alone. I'm like, this is evil. I shouldn't have watched this. And I just like turn off the TV. I just sit on my couch.

I'm like, I'm never watching How's a Dragon again. And then I watch it sober. And I think it's Damon. Like, Damon was the character where I was just like, whenever he popped up on screen, I'm like, okay, this is the show. I want to see him fuck around. I want to see him succeed.

I want to see him fail. That was the character. And I think when you go back to Game of Thrones, I feel like we all think of it in terms of like our feelings about the later seasons. But we don't remember how like uneven those first couple seasons were.

Like there weren't dragons popping out. The battles weren't that big. It was like Tyrion. You would see like a Tyrion or a John Snow and you'd be like, okay, you would see a Ned and you had a character to like, okay, I feel for them. Damon was the one for me in both of the episodes.

Like when they're on the, when Damon and Reneera are going back and forth to each other, when the hand in Damon are going back and forth, I'm like, this is the show. Like, this is him. I love, like, I love this. So I think, I don't know if uneven is the right word or the word I would use to describe the first couple of seasons. I think that there was maybe less spectacle, but to be honest with you. Yeah, less spectacle. I'm not saying it was bad. Just let, it wasn't what we remember it to be.

And I think that's what, I think to be honest with you, that's when the show was operating at its, in its highest clip. operated at its peak efficiency was when the show was really more character-driven. Don't get me wrong, all the battles and the drag and stuff, it ended up taking it to this other sort of almost superhero-esque level and all that stuff was great to watch.

But the Tyrion was the anchor of the show really the whole time, but especially in those early seasons, because it was so much about what people were trying to do. And I think that's kind of what got me House of the Dragon. House of the Dragon is shaping up to be a show about what people are trying to do. Like, how are we, what are we attempting to do here? And are we attempting to do the right thing?

Are we going to hand the keys of the kingdom over to the right person? And so I think I'll probably agree with you, Charles, that that was the scene to me in the premiere where I realized that the stakes were just out of control. Because even when she's talking to him and she's. letting him know that she might not have a boy, right? He's like, I know it's a boy. I've dreamed it. And I'm like, this dream is fucked up.

Like, I'm like, this is, this is, first of all, it's fucked up to look at a woman. And her childbirth, she's having such a terrible pregnancy. No, so you knew something bad. It was going to happen. It's fucked up to look at her and be like, yeah, that'd be a boy in there so that we can continue this thing going. You know what I mean? And then at the same time, I was like, his prophecy's right.

but something's going to get fucked up here. And then, of course, you look at that funeral scene and there's a little baby wrapped up on the funeral pyre. And then, Jomey, where are you at right now? You're part of, you've been toiling as well. I've been in the content minds, man. Yeah.

Where are you at with House of the Dragon right now? I'll tell you, I'll tell you the exact moment I got sucked in when they'll go back to Kings Landing and in the episode one and they start playing the Game of Thrones main theme refrain. I was locked in. I'm not going to hold you. I'm an easy sell. I don't know what you want for me. Easy Mark. I was like, I'm we're going to have a talk about the theme music because I have a, I want a little corner later

after we hear what Steve thinks about House of the Dragon. I was tapped in. You know, I've, I've, I've, I said this when I tweeted this out, but it's like the moment that Matt Smith sits on the screen. Like he's sitting on the Iron Throne like, like it's his. I'm like, he runs this show. This is exactly what it is. And to your point, Van, like, I think that, like, I think that, like, like House the Dragon is very keenly aware of what we remember Game of Thrones to be and what it, like what it works on at its peak. And I think House of the Dragon is doing its utmost and pretty well at emulating that exact formula right from the jump.

Like it's political intrigue, dragons, threats of war, some motherfucker trying to like stir the pot. Like, all of those family dynamics. Exactly. All of that from moment one. and we're like, wow, okay, I think Game of Thrones is back. Because we're all like,

like, are we watching Game of Thrones again? Because I'm like, the hardest thing actually for the first two episodes. It's kind of exciting. I'm not going to lie. It is. Like, that feeling you're just like, I'm kind of watching Game of Thrones again.

It's kind of exciting. When I sat down, I was like, fuck this TV show. And then after the first episode, you're like, oh, HBO still knows how to make Game of Thrones. Are we back? Yeah.

Yeah. The last two seasons you're like, I think they forgot how to make Game of Thrones. And this is the first time. in like years where I'm like, oh, okay, like, sure. But this is what it feels like. That's such a crazy phenomenon because like at Thrones at its peak is like a cultural juggernaut.

Like everybody had that show on its lips. And then from like the actual premiere, record busting, biggest premiere that HBO has ever had, like picks it up right back where we, where we left off like with cultural relevance. Like we're right there. And like I think that's incredible. Wait, can I before we get, because we're going to be. We're all loving this show, but, like, I want to introduce a little slot called Flame the Thrones. I have some things I want to bring up with you guys.

Oh, here we go. Let's go. The best, honestly, some of the funniest parts. All right, the first, I got to be real. The little black princess so cute. That wig was looking crazy. What do y'all want? I'm like, I'm just, I'm trying to throw out.

My mom, bro. Oh, so it's like, talk. Like, I'm like, I'm like, Kaleika's like, Kaleak is like, these wigs are a sin in front of God's face. I'm like, I'm like, what do you all want? What do you want? Like, seriously, what do you know? Did you know, did you know, did you want to bleach that little girl's hair? Is that what you want to?

Because that's the only other alternative. I keep telling people this. The only alternative to solve the black wig problem in Game of Thrones is to actually bleach. You can't bleach your head. I don't disagree with you. Right. We're not disagree. But here's the thing, too. They couldn't give my man what's, how do you say his name? Corlis. Yeah, Corlis. Corlis. My man couldn't have just done like the nice fade. Like we couldn't have given him like a Caesar, maybe the push of T-braids. We have to do like, come on. This is a talk game.

I will say my second flame the thrones. Corlis is my guy. I love him, but he's moving way too reckless. Like at this point, I'm like, dog, what are you doing? You miscalculating and everything. Corlis doesn't seem like the man right now. I like him. Even more than Vassaris? We got to talk. We got to talk about him.

That's for later. The other Flame of Thrones. Guys, I have to be honest. What was that accent in episode two? That shit was wild. Yo. I, we could run the clip back from episode two, but wow. Can I ask you guys a question,

quick, do you guys feel in any sort of way that they gave Corlis, like a black name? Do y'all remember Corliss Williamson, who used to play in the NBA and playing for Arkansas? Like, I know a dude's name Corlis. Like, his name Corlis. Of course you know dude's name Corlis. You were born in the 1870s, bro. And so you're telling me that Corliss is an antiquated name? Is that, does that don't tell me?

Bro, you can't come at me about names, bro. You can't, you have more syllables. in your name than stars in the sky. They're all kinds of... People have different names. I'm saying, Corlis, I'm like, yo, they would have the nigger name be Corlis, bro.

I mean, I want to see... I want to see the other characters. Like, when they have Jamichael Targaryen out there... Oh. DeMarius Valerian's going to show up because he's a damn. It's going to be crazy.

It's for me crazy. I'm like, I'm looking at... He's like, Corliss. I'm like, oh, man, that's a black name, bro. I love that for him. He can fall into that. But here's the thing. Also, why they make my man, the reason I love Corlis,

because, like, he don't give a fuck. He'd be walking up to the king and be like, yo. Just talking his shit. Just talking wild reckless. I'm like, go. Like, he's not drinking with that motherfuckusk as he. Like, he hates them, Loki. I love my man.

Well, he's mad because he thought it should have been, he was on the other side to get the kingdom in the first place, right? he was with the cousin, wasn't he? Yeah. Yeah, he was with his wife. The daughter, the daughter, yeah. Tough look to be like, hey, marry my 12-year-old daughter, though. All right, but here's the thing.

This is why Vasares would be pissing me off because he thinks he has a moral victory. He's just like, he's sitting in the room. And he's like, the person that I'm going to marry is not the 12-year-old. Like it's the bachelor's at or something. It's a 16-year-old and I'm like dog. Right. Will you accept this rose? Right.

And also, too, like, Vassaris is the biggest idiot. If we're talking about Flame the Thrones, my man, come on. Damon kind of has a point. I know he's a tyrant, but Damon, like, talks to his brother. He pulls him to the side. I'd be like, dog, you an idiot and everybody in your court is playing you like a fucking fool. His hand literally is like telling, Alison, like, yo, talk to my man. He's vulnerable.

I'm like, dog, you don't see what's happening right now, Vassar's. Like, you don't see what is happening. Nah, because I think people get blinded by, I think his relationship with, his brother is so fucked up that he can't see the forest for the trees and that's another one of the things that's always so fascinated about Game of Thrones is like the Starks

the Starks, the Starks with the family that were the most, I guess, human family we were supposed to connect with them in the original show and they made every possible mistake that they could on their way to oblivion. Like literally. Like every possible mistake.

By thinking that they had like, yeah. Right. And also, by not listening to the women around them. Right. You know what I mean? Like the mom is like, hey, Rob,

don't do it. I know you like her, but it's going to go bad. Rob was like, no. Can I do a metaphor? That might be very pain. I already know it's going to be pain.

Are the Targaryans, like the coastal elites and the Starks are like Middle America, like family. Duh, nigger? What?

Like, like, duh. One of them are blonde and one of them live in the cold. I was like the, the fucking stalks are from Ohio. That is true. Like, yeah, bro. Like, duh.

Absolutely they are. Especially in the first series. This one is still, you know, where we're still kind of getting to know him. I feel like we're going to get to see the Targaryians humanized a little bit, which I'm very interested in seeing that happen, seeing them be humanized, after seeing them kind of be like almost specters in the first series. Because really in the first series, it was obviously more about the Lannisters being those coastal elites.

The Targaryans were scrappy spectres. They were almost ghosts. De Narius was almost like she was representing something we had never really seen, something that we had no. And that's another sort of genius move to bring this show back. It's because the only thing that we hadn't litigated in Game of Thrones, the only thing that we hadn't been through is what that family actually meant. We had only heard about their greatness. We'd only see them. And so now to kind of

of see it at its peak, that's a little bit of where the intrigue to the show lands for me. And I didn't think that it would. I really thought I was thrown down. I know people are like, Van is flip-flopping right now, and I am. And I'm wearing flip-plops. You know what I mean? Right now on my feet. So it's okay. What I'm telling you right now is I didn't think I was still interested. And the fact is I am. So I'll take that out. I think one of the smartest things while I was watching it is that when you watch the first Game of Thrones, it's funny how much the Targaryians operate almost as these myths, almost like this religion. When people are like following, when people are following DeNaris, it's because like, oh, she represents something that we don't remember. So it's so funny watching Viseris also fall in love with this idea of the Targary.

Targaryens that's already dead because this should be, this should be the whole time that the Targaryen should be on top. Because that's what Danny's looking back towards. Be like, oh, remember when we were on the Iron Throne? And you already realized that, like, King's Landing is falling apart. Like, Damon has to come and kind of, like, round up all these criminals. So, like, I think it's very smart to show that, like, maybe the myth of the Targaryans was never as potent as we were led to believe.

You know what I mean? because the way they talk about it in the original Game of Thrones is like, remember those Targaryans, they were flying around on their dragons and it was blah, blah, blah. I'm like, in this series, I'm like, it looks like they only have a handful of dragons

and the free cities are in revolt and the crab feeder is like, fuck y'all. They got enough dragons. They got 10. You only only need 10. I don't know. It's already seem like that much. That's, it doesn't seem like enough.

Doesn't seem like a net. Ten dragons? Danny had three. Yeah, it's like three dragons. No, but think about, But think about this. Think about Damon is already, like, you can tell. My man Damon's like, fuck all this shit.

So he's about to steal himself some dragons. My man, Coralus is already like, fuck this family. So he's already like, I need to figure out something. So it's like, is 10 dragons really enough when everybody's about to start fighting over him? Would y'all get mad if Corlis put rims on his dragon? Now, see, the impredicality of that question. If Corlis, if Corlis is dragon, if Corlis is dragon, like, if that would be so crazy if there was a scene where Corlis is like

he got himself a new dragon. And he's looking, he's like, yeah, I'm gonna need some 20s right there. He put rims. Put some spitters on that thing. Put some spinners on it. Like the dragon got some spinning rims. No, you want to know what's either one.

Or if he put a chain on his dragon. No. They can make that happen. The rims is not going to happen. They can make it happen where he put a fly. Orlis shows up on his dragon like he doesn't bite. Right. Like he put like a Valerian steel.

chain around this dragon, a little pendant. You know what I'm saying? Oh my God. This is my dragon named Impala. I need the pit bull leash. You know, like, motherfuckers in the hood just can't have a regular leather leash. They got to have the chain. I'm like, dog, come on, bro.

What are we doing? Dog neck all swole because they got to carry this fucking big-ass chain. I'd be so, feel so tall for those dogs. Those dogs just want to love somebody. For real. But it's like, yo, yo, monster. Kill him. Monster's like, dog, I'm smelling flowers, man.

Why don't you just let me live a peaceful life? Okay, predictions. Do we have any predictions for the upcoming season? I'm not even going to predict because it's all out there. It's already, it's already I had one and Joanna responded to this in an email from the last. Joanna's the best. She's the best. But there's a great little moment and I really want, like, I kept thinking about this ever since. Do you believe the air for a day allegations for Damien? Do you believe he said that? hell yeah yeah i think you said it

you think you said it so there's a there was a speculation from the last pod from an email from a listener that said that the rhyming couplet of the gods give gods takeeth away here's to the prince air for a day that makes the rhyming couplet but when he's confronted by

his brother he said did you say that and he said we all mourn in our own way and when you think that that's supposed to be saying that he did say it in fact the phrase we all mourn in our own way, finishes that same rhyming couplet. The gods give, the gods taketh away. Here's to the prince, we all mourn in our own way.

And I think that Damien is probably so, like, jilted at the fact that his brother's probably, like, spurning him over Otto, that I think that might come to light, that he might not actually say that. Well, he doesn't finish it. Right. He doesn't finish it. You don't see him say it.

Right. I mean, he could have said it. He could not have said it. Damon sucks. He sucks. Let me tell you. Yeah, no, he could suck. He could definitely suck.

But to know that, like, maybe he didn't actually say that terrible thing that gets him exiled. Damon's going to fuck over his brother at one point. Oh, he definitely will. Like, if it wasn't that, it's something else. Or will he? Is that a little too on the nose? Right. I'm asking.

Or will he? Is that a little two on the nose? It's that, obviously, we're being. led down the primrose path to believe that. But I see some nobility in the character that shines through in odd ways. And I wouldn't be surprised if there was a curveball coming in here. Now look, you guys, whatever source material this show is based on, I didn't read it. Yeah.

And so I know that there are people out there that are like, man, if you ever read the 600-page book, Fire in the Sand, then you would know. I'm telling you, like I'm telling you straight up, I didn't read it. So it's all TV to me. So that's why the speculation's coming. We are going to fuck up the name. So please don't be like, I can't believe you got the name wrong. There are a lot of names.

I don't know how to pronounce most of them. I'm sorry. I like the show. Really quick before we get off this. Before we get off this, I have to ask. We're some bitches. We're like, please don't hurt us. You got three more pods that will get all of these things right.

Yeah. Relax. Charles, you wanted to talk about the music for a second. I'm going to be honest. I think they went out a little sad with the theme music. Yeah, when I popped on the second, like the second episode, I'm like, all right, cool, I'm here and they're going to do this theme music. And when it's the old Game of Thrones show, I'm like, no, no, no, we can't do that.

That's violating if we're going to be honest. You know what I'm saying? I don't think so. All right, here's my argument. I think it should be our TV rule that if you have a spinoff, that spinoff cannot use the same music as the main show because that is that is them saying like hey y'all remember this show you really loved what if we just ran it back which i know like spiritually is what they're doing

but like come on so what you mean it's a spin-off y'all can't give us a little y'all couldn't even do a little remix shit we couldn't get a little scratches on that shit you couldn't do nothing is it a spin-off is it more of a spin-off than a prequel though same thing same it's all they're all spin-offs well because I mean, like, Star Wars start every movie the same. Same music? I mean, there's a thing. Is that true?

Is every Star Wars, because I don't know. Like, if Star Wars Deep Space Nine, is it the same music from every? Are you saying Star Trek or Star Trek? Excuse me, Star Wars. Star Trek. Star Trek, because I was thinking about Star Trek. No, okay. They don't, they have different things.

Because everything is a spinoff, right? Mm-hmm. With Star Trek. Everything is a, everything is a spinoff. Like, starts with Star Trek, next generation, D-Space 9, boom, boom, and they have different things for every church. I do feel like this doesn't matter.

Oh, this doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's a big net to pick. It's been broken. In my opinion, it's been broken. Like, Frazier can't have the same theme as cheers. Like, come on, like. No, but I don't get it.

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We're getting ready to talk about Sheehawk Attorney at Law. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. So we're going to move on here to Shehawk Attorney at Law, okay? What is everybody's personal history with Shehawk? Let's start with Steve this time. Zero, net zero. I was familiar with the Dan Slot run.

I knew like a small amounts of fun facts from the run, but it was really just knowing that this was like a procedural lawyer show, and it had some fun bits in it. And I think that the show is like Jomi and I talked about it in a mid edition. We loved it so far. Newer from the comics, similar to Steve, knew her from the Dan Slot run, and that she would just like pop up in Avengers.

comic books that I was reading, but never a big She-Hulk fan, never, like, going to the storm. You're like, oh, She-Hulk. It was just kind of like, she was another Avenger. You're like, oh, she-hooks here. Cool.

That's it. Outside of, like, an episode arc that she had with the Ultimate Spider-Man back in the day, had no knowledge. Wasn't tapped in like that. I never read a She-Holt book in my goddamn life.

I realized something about the age difference between me and you guys. You guys invested into different characters than we did in the 90s. In the 90s, it was like, the 90s and the 2000s, there wasn't much room outside of what the X-Men were doing.

Even, like, there just really wasn't. I was talking to my friend Irvin about this yesterday. I was, I had six different X-Men books I was following. What,

there was uncanny X-Men, objective-less X-Men, X-Men. So there was uncanny X-Men. So there were two X-Men team at this time, X-Men Blue, X-Men Gold, right?

Yeah. So you had two different books you had to follow then. Then you had X-Factor. Then you had X-Force. Then you had solo books. So you might be reading cable. You might be reading Wolverine.

You know what I mean? Like you might be reading Excalibur. The X-Men universe was so deep. It was really like its own comic book imprint in it of itself. There were almost like two different sides of Marvel. Three, actually. It was the X-Men. It was the Avengers.

And then Spider-Man had his own very distinct, robust, huge universe. So there are a lot of blind spots when it comes to some of the characters that we're getting to now, for me personally, that I really didn't read unless they popped up in crossovers or unless somebody said you have got to read this specific run. Of course there were runs like that with Daredevil. Of course there were runs like that with Punisher. You know, Garth and his Punisher run. Of course there were runs like that with people. But other than that, there are a lot of these characters that I am not. not very familiar with at all. Of course, just from reading comic books, you know who Shee Hulk is,

you've seen Shee Hulk in a bunch of comic books, you're aware of the mythos behind Shehawk, how she got her powers, all of that stuff. But as far as ever having read like a run of Sheeoke, absolutely not. And by the way, I would have never, that's, it was the same way with Moon Knight. It was the same, like, never. Like, I didn't, I've never ever picked up a Sheehoke book in my life. Got to be honest with you. Having said that, love that. Love that. this show. Love this show. Jummi, this show slaps, you know. I've only seen the first two episodes because I wasn't getting got by the screener yet, you know what I'm saying? I was not going to let that thing slide like it did last time. But everything I've seen so far and everything I've heard

from everybody else who has seen the first four episodes are like, it's just top, this is fire, and I cannot wait to see more. I'm really excited about where the show has been, where it's going. I've seen four, I've seen the first four episodes. I didn't have to cover it. So there was no screener gate. I love the show. And so get off my goddamn back. Okay. Let me say something about this show, though.

I do think that there is still a failure in this show. Hmm. Interesting. I love this show, but there's a failure in this show. The failure in this show is this show should have been benched. Interesting. Why? This show works. This show would work.

for the bench model. And it's showing that Marvel is kind of sticking to certain things that work in one case, but don't work in others. In my opinion, this show is such an easy watch. Yeah, it's a breeze. It's so light and, like, nice. Such an easy watch. Such an easy watch, right? It's a very easy watch, and it's a low-stakes show. So I do think that there are some people that are going to have maybe an carrying the momentum of this particular show from week to week, right? It's a great show. I think it's funny. I think she is amazing in the lead role. She's killing it. I am laughing. I am having a great time thinking it's one of the better television shows that Marvel has put on. I'm serious about that. I've really mean that. I've told all of you guys how much I love the show.

I think it would be connecting more with certain casuals if they could have binged it. And I think And I think that for some people, it's not going to be a big enough deal to carry the show week to week and keep the kinetic energy of some of the other shows that we've seen. Am I off base by saying this? I was going to ask you guys, do you think that this show has, like, left the popular consciousness just because there's, like, we are inundated with House of Dragon. We are inundate. We're about to be inundated with rings of power. Andor is coming. And it's just kind of funny where it's like, there was so much hubbubaloo.

there was the CGI shit, and then there was the press shit. There was just all the stuff going around before She Hulk. And then after the first episode, the second episode came out, and I'm just, it feels lost in the sauce

in a way where it's like, if it was bingeable, I think it would be easier to like, for a lot of, to advance point to casuals to put their arms around the show. Yeah. I think it's interesting

because there has been no MCU show like this before. I say that because, Van, you say it's low stakes, and I would agree only in the sense that, like, it is easily, like, from week to week, more or less, like, a new story, new, like, set of stakes that we come through with Shehawk every time. And that's, like, we haven't had a show like that for the MCU. Because, like, Moon Night, everything else, Loki, all these things. It was a week to week. continuous big grand adventure that was like, you know, we hate to say it, but like a six-hour movie or something like that. Yeah. But with this, like this feels like a television show. Like this is a like procedural like new episode each week television show. And the MCU has kind of like

been better at capturing that week to week long movie type of formula. And now that we have like a television show that kind of works in its own sphere, we're like, okay, let's just get all of this out of the way. I kind of would agree with that. And I think that the show is so delightful. And I got through it. We got screeners and you guys, look, I was won't let you guys know something. The men boys knew that they would be covering.

They didn't want to get in the screener day. I was taunting. I was like, oh, I've seen episode three. Wait, can we just do a PSA really quick? If you do not want to hear anything about what Vann is going to say, fast forward like five or ten minutes. No, no, no, no. He's not spoiling nothing.

I'm not spoiling. Not spoiling, but like, even if he liked it, we are probably going to talk about his impressions of... I'm not going to talk about any of it. Fuck it. I never saw anything. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of everything. You know what, Charles, you're right.

I'm just trying to protect you, my man. I feel you. I'm sick of getting my ass kicked by you guys about everything that happens. Okay? I'm just getting my ass kicked at higher and learning. I'm getting my ass kicked into the finger first. You guys are kicking our asses. You're going on the fucking thing and you're, you're talking about Joe and Mal's voices.

I'm sick to get my ass kicked about everything. We're not going to talk about it. Won't stand for it. We're not going to find. If you're going for Joe and Mal, ever again. Ever again. Ever again. We're not.

You pull up. Where's my goddamn lightsaber? I'll bring a lightsaber out on you. You mess with my goddamn sisters. All right. What about the, what about the, what about the, what about, what about, what about, the CGI situation. It's the CGI

because, you know, that was the main. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. You know what I mean? It's the, it's the, it's the,

here's the, perils of working in social, you see everything, right? And I see somebody get up and was like, man, this game of threat,

this House of Dragon CGI, man, looking like PS3, looked like a PS3. And I was like, I was like, okay. I was like,

all right, for show. We just, like, like, what's it gonna take for y'all to be happy? Like,

what's gonna take for you? like like something man. Jesus Christ, man. Like, what do we go? Yeah, damn. What are we doing?

That is the lame stuff. That's funny, bro. That's actually very funny. Like the PS3. No, but like, yeah, people are always going to be mad about the CG. Like, I don't understand. Like, it's, for the most part,

fine, right? In episode one with the Hulk and she, no, Charles, I'm not letting you slide off this, bro. I didn't say anything. I didn't say anything. I didn't say it off you. Right off this.

I didn't say shit, bro. Let him get his takeoff because, Joe, let me get his take off, Jomey, because, like, I want to hear it. You don't like to see your eye, Charles. You don't like to see J. I didn't say that. I didn't say anything. I, guys, the ringerverse, the overlords of the ringer verse have unchanged me from having

opinions about an MCU show for the first time and forever. I'm just enjoying the fact that you guys are so excited for this show. Like, that's what I want. I want everybody to have a good, great fun time. The reality about She-Hull. is that the show itself is working for me because it's not as important. And because it's not as important,

it's able to do so many amazing things for me that other shows haven't. I was waiting for Moon Night to mean something. I'm not saying Moon Night didn't mean anything, but the concept of Moon Night were so weighty and everything was so dramatically important. It's the end of the world, every season. Right. And so I was, I'm waiting for it to mean something. And with She-Hulk, I'm really, I was really just interested to see what was going to happen with Emil Blonsky. I'm really interested to see how she's going to make this work in a new law firm. I'm really interested to see. It's like, it's like watching, somebody said that we don't want Ali McBeal as a superhero. And I was like, I kind of do.

Yeah. You know what I'm like? That's working. Like, that's working for me. I don't see. Let's just have her figuring out her date. life and just like have a job. And it's great. And it's funny. To me, it's very funny. It's not a perfect show, but like, what is? You know what I mean? How's it stack up to a lot of the other shows that we've seen from the

MCU? I'm going to tell you. Pretty well. I think it's the third best MCU show. I'll be honest. Okay. It's two episodes. Rankum. It's two episodes. Okay, so based upon what I've seen, based upon what I've seen, by the way, there's a lot of show

left. Even if you watch the entire screen or run, which was four episodes. There's a lot of show left. So I'll say the best MCU show ever is Loki. Easily. Okay. The second best MCU show ever, to me, is Wanda Vision.

Okay. To me, I've liked She-Hulk a little bit better than the third best MCU show to me, which is the Falcon and the Winter Soldier. It's crack cocaine that you're smoking. That's, there's no chance. There's no shot.

To be fair, I haven't revisited it since we first covered that. You guys just don't remember. And then after that, it's Hawkeye. And then we go from there. So you guys don't remember that the Falcon and Winter Soldier had you guys. No, it did.

It did. It did. I ain't going to tell me how I felt. Because I was there. Jones Skittle. No chance. You know what I mean? Like, the Falcon and the Winter Soldier

had everybody wondering who the power broker was. It had everybody flipping out over Madrepoor. That's not true. That's not true. wondering who the Powerbroker was? It's like when I picked up Arkham Knight back in the day and they were like, oh man, who's Alcumna?

I was like, oh, man, it's Jason Todd. I was like, oh, man, it's Sharon Carter, which is super lame, considering, like, what Sharon Carter's been. Like, wait, wait, wait, wait, I'm not saying that you didn't figure it out, but you're telling me that the internet wasn't all in the Tizzy trying to figure out who Powerbroker was. And everybody was on that the show had us, man.

I mean, I do remember when Matchaport hit. Like, people were going insane. Like, so let's be, bro. I don't, like, I'm not saying, like, okay, here's I'll give you that I'll give you bad for that was cool right but the finale I have never seen a worse finale

that's what you guys are talking that's what you guys are talking about we've seen some bad finale that's what you guys are talking about like the finale was bad until moon night up until moon night no I hated it I hated it I was sick to my stomach good question from Steve here in the document

the architect is coming with it how does she hope compare contrast to some of our our other phase four character debuts, Maherambeau, Yelaine Belova, Chongshe, The Eternals, Kate Bishop, Mark Spector, Slash Stephen Grant, Kamala Khan. How does she,

how does her debut compare to some of those debuts? One of the best. Yeah, her coming out and just like, from day one, just like being, um, like a star, you know, it feels like, you know, she was just like there.

Like, I'm here. I'm going to get this thing off, you know, I'm fun. I was like, okay, I'm locked. in. I'm locked in with this character in this show. Like, I want to see more. That was almost immediately. So, yeah, man. She's like one of the best for sure. She'll

was one of the best. I think the only one that's better to me is Yelaine Blas. It's so funny that you have the Eternals on here. Get Sprite off that list. Guys, stop. It's so negative. All right? Oh, shut up. The Eternals was a fine movie. By the way, I like

Eternals more every time I watch it. I'm like, you did tell me. It gets a little better. You're like, I watch the turtles more every, though. Sean Shi, I like less every time I see it. I'm sorry. Keep it in.

Bring all the smoke. Because when this end of the year, when this end of the year wrap-up comes, it's going to get crazy. We are so selective about the smoke that we want on this podcast. Who's we? Who's we?

Does she all talk? It's just in the collection. So let me, let me, you guys can give me all your smoke right now. Okay? Sean Shee, not that good. Moon Night, not that good. Miss Marvel, not that good.

Like, it, not bad. Just those are those, those shows and movies, just not that good. We ain't been reunited for a fucking week and we already go like, come on, bro. Like, dog, we're having such a good talk about houses and drag. Sean Shee was fun. Moon Night was, Miss Marvel was fun.

Moon night was not a lot of fun. Man, you spitting, bro. But not today. Like, not today. Like, let's warm them back into the Midnight Boys' experience before we blow this shit. Love what, love this stuff. None of it was a waste of time, but we're just talking about it. All right.

So there's another thing that I appreciate about She-Hilke, and I want to know if you guys are appreciating this. They're doing big things without caring about doing big things. For example, in Shee Hulk, Banner gets on an alien craft and is presumably flying to Sarkar. That is a major, major, major development in the MCU. Like, that's a huge thing in the MCU, and they kind of just threw it away. Like, that's a gigantic huge thing because it sets up obviously a World War Hulk situation. Jumps? I just want to say I'm in addition.

I called my shot. I said that when the ship came. He was like, I'm going to deal with that later. And I was like, that's what we're Hulk. I see the vision. No, but that's what I love about the MCU. I love when things like that happen where a character has, like, a throwaway line or something of that nature.

Just like, oh, yeah, I got to go handle this thing. I'll be right back. And then, like, we get in, like, you know, the next month that, oh, man, we're getting World War Hulk or something like that. Like, those are the type of things I love the MCU for because it's not everything has to be some big moment. Not everything has to be some big. Like, oh, look, this was happening.

Oh, it's the X-Men. Like, some things should just be like, cool, that's happening. And just keep it pushing. I love that. Can I ask a quick question? Because the showrunner did reveal that the first, the pilot episode that we got for She-Hulk was not supposed to be the pilot. Like we were not supposed to get Hulk and the island and all of that stuff.

That was supposed to be, I think, around the Penn Ultimate episode, but I guess She-Hulk wasn't testing well. So the on-the-fly had to kind of rejigger the season and make the pilot more Hulk-focused. And I think the second episode was supposed to be more in line with the pilot, because that is when we get kind of the attorney stuff, her dealing with what it means to be She-Hulk. Does that like change anything like in terms? Because like I was listening to the watch

and Andy did have like a very, very impassioned and good breakdown of why like maybe that's a little bit problematic. What did he say? He was just basically saying like did Marvel believe in the version of the show that they were really making in terms of like it's attorney at law. It's a it's an attorney show versus the first episode

being so Hulk focused. So kind of like if we want to be honest, first pilot, I enjoyed it a lot, but I'm like, oh, this is very much like a holding your hand situation because they might be afraid that the next couple episodes are very funny, or at least they have a lot more humor in it. And it's just a different flavor that I think a lot of MCU fans, I can't tell if they like or not, because I've kind of been off that corner of the internet. And this is, I did, Andy did a way better job of explaining. I'm trying to boil it down Of course he did.

Of course he did. Charles, you compare yourself to Andy now? Who do you think you are? Oh, my God. So let me tell you why. It's because audiences only know what they know. This is the way it goes.

Back in the day, every time we, the first time I heard of Snoop Dog, Dre put him on, do you cover, right? If Snoop Dog would have just dropped, of course he's as talented and charismatic as any rapper that's ever lived,

so probably will have still been a star. But it was a lot easier for somebody else a known entity to introduce you to something, no matter what it is, right? Like, would you guys have, all of these weird, goddamn foods that Taco Bell throws at you? You eat them because they come from Taco Bell.

Yeah, give them a shot. You know what I mean? So, an audience has already developed a relationship with the Hulk. She Hulk is a spin-off character from the Hulk. To have the Hulk in the first episode, to me, doesn't do any disservice to the character. Actually, it tells me that they, They care about the way the character is perceived.

So in caring about the way the character is perceived, they're going to make sure that the character succeeds. See, a lot of what we're talking about, to me, it has less to do with how they do it and more to do with their intent. If your intent is to make the She-Hulk character a successful character to make the show a hit, then you need to pull out all the stops to make sure that happens. And if that means involving Bruce Banner in the pilot episode, involving the Hulk in the pilot episode, then you do that. Because you want to make sure that people understand that this is something different that comes from something that they already know. That's with any of this stuff, right? That's like, to me, Thor's Hammer being in a mid-credit scene. I mean, you didn't need it.

Thor is a character that can carry a movie on his own. but the reality is like it's the movie that you're watching helps get you to the next thing and I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all. I think sometimes

and I want to make sure that the audience is that they understand that there's no perfect way to do this. You know, Andy's take is, I'm sure, very well thought out,

you know, he's a brilliant man but like it, there's no perfect way to do this. The way that you do it is the way that works best for the show. And if you're going to have an episode with them

going back and forth, there's nothing wrong with that at all. doesn't do any disservice to the character. It would do a disservice to the character if Banner popped in every single show or if they were relying on. But they're not. They're letting her cook.

She's got her own little thing going. This show has its own tone. It has its own voice. Some of you insales aren't going to like it. And that's fine. Just keep all the insales out there. Keep one starring and revealing yourselves so that I can report you to Homeland Security.

I love it when you guys do that. I don't trust y'all. I love it when you guys do that. You know what I mean? Tired though, like the House of Dragon shit, the Rings of Power shit, the She-Hulk shit. Like, you don't run at a misogyny, like on a video game, the bar doesn't get too low.

Like, come on, what the fuck is? People are mad every single day, and I'm just kind of like, we got to stop. What are they mad about rings of power about? Because there's black people in it. Like, come on. What are they mad about the same thing they always mad about? Like, bro, let me tell you something.

If there's one thing in America that's got the best endurance is racism. Racism is like Steve Prefontein. It just keeps going faster and faster. They don't stop. It can run and never stop. All they do is just hand the baton. They just hand the baton. You know what I mean?

It's a relay race. What in the fuck could you be mad about? It's a fantasy world. Like what's like what? Like why? If anything, we should be mad that you guys are for fun just making up worlds where there's no niggas. Like you put all of this stuff in it that you like dragon. All this stuff can happen.

No black people. If anything, we should be mad. But we don't even get mad. We don't even get mad. The entire first Star Wars run, we love that shit. They gave us one fucking guy. one guy. Who?

Darth Vader. His voice of them. Okay, fine. If it was one guy, we weren't mad, we could have been mad. We could have been like in the galaxy a long,

long time ago, far, far away, dot, dot, dot, where they are no niggas. Like, we could have been mad. Yeah. But we didn't get mad.

And then you put a black person and y'all get mad. How do fuck are y'all mad? What the fuck? You know what's one? As black people, we are like trained by society to like go watch like a new superhero or like fantasy joint. And like I'm just like when I sit in the theater, I'm just like, yeah, there ain't going to be no black people in here. And I'm just like, fuck.

I just don't think about it. No, we just don't care. The one time there's one Negro in this shit, everybody like not fuck all this shit. We got to burn the whole U.S. to the gun. I'm like, dog, let him cook. Brough, look. I wish, you know what? I don't ever want to be a billionaire.

there. But if I had a billion dollars, I would just go to George Lucas and be like, hey, George, let me reshoot a new hope and make all the rebels black and make the empire white. Let me do it. Just let me do it. Seriously, bro, I'll pay you. I'll give you $500 million and cover the cost. If you just let me reshoot the movie, make all the rebels black, make the empire white. make Anakin Skywalker he fell in love for the black woman we got two little beige

Drake could play Luke like let me What you have this shit up bro Like you know What you're saying? Let's really Let's really piss him Wait if Nikki Minaj was Prince Leia

And who Nicky Minaj is Luke And Nick Minnage is Prince and his Leia Meek Mill is Han Meek Mill is Meek Mill could be Han Jay Z

No, me can't be Han because meke and the Nicki thing can't do that. Like, you got to, you can't do that. Well, like, we can have Jay Z as Obi-Wan Canovi. Oh, my. You know what I'm saying? Wait, would Kanye be Darth Vader in this? Actually, Wayne would have to be Obi-Wan in this situation. That is true.

This is a young money Star Wars. This is a dope idea. See what the guy should leave him up with? This is such a good idea. Brun like, like Wayne is Obi-Wan-Kanovi. You know, Obi-Wan-Kobey walks up. he got the cup. You know what I'm saying?

He's sipping the cup. He's like he's sipping the cup. When he drops the lean, he just disintegrates. Yeah, he's like, is the blue milk just purple milk now? It's just purple milk. You know what I'm saying? The whole situation,

like Jimmy Iveen is Grandma of Tarkin. Yeah, we got to. We got to go. We got to go. We got to go. We got to go. All right. That is a wrap.

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I just really need some more issues, me. That's all I'm saying. Charles, sign off. My Game of Thrones characters are black. My Lambeau is blue. I missed all of the midnight boys.

And I hope you know. It's so true. If your home girl, your home boy was fucking on your daddy, behind your back. Crazy. Crazy. Would you like,

can you mend that fence now that she's going to become your mom? Like, can you To be fair, to be fair, like, pipped out by her dad. Yeah. I mean, it's not like, it's not putting, I'm not laying that at her feet. It's not at her feet. Yeah, but Reneer don't know that.

Reneer don't know that. She's just mad. Yeah, I don't think Reneer's going to be like, oh, man, oh, your dad told you that you do that. Oh, it's cool. It's running out of the bridge. Let's keep it pushing. She'll be like, nah, she's going to feel some trouble away, for show.

Can you mend that, Van, can you mend that friendship after that happen? I've kind of been through this. Okay. Oh, all right. You have to explain. You have to explain. Does he, though? So my parents got divorced.

It's very sad. Rest and peace, dad. And my father was a very virile, handsome man. Even back in the day, you would bring this, Charles. Back in the day, you know, there was a call to the house one day. This call was from a girl that had gone to high school with my sister. It was one of her friends. I'm like, what do you want?

Who are you? It's like the call is coming in from, she worked at Southern University of school now and the call is coming in from Southern. So I'm thinking, and that's where I'm going to school at the time. And so I'm thinking, what the hell is, what do y'all want? Like, it's like, no, it's like, is Terry there? I'm like, no.

Who is this? It's like, oh, could you tell Terry that so-and-so-call? I'm like, hey, why? No, it's Van. It's Eminie's brother. Like, what's you calling the house for Dad for? She's like, just tell her my call, okay, Van. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hang the phone up.

I'm like, then I never forget. We had a party at the house. I had a party because when Mom left, I was having parties left and right. At the house, right. It's an interesting time. You'll see it in the upcoming movie. Mom left, I was having parties left the right. And I got drunk.

at one of this party, said, Dad's room, when this house, my parents, this house my parents had built, my parents had this gigantic room with this great big bathroom,

whatever. And I wanted to show one of the girls that was at the party just how gigantic the master bedroom was and how big the bathroom part was and the big tub or whatever I wanted to actually, you know,

take her in the room and get a little privacy, you know what I'm saying? And so I didn't know that my dad was there in the bed with the girl. that was my sister's friend in high school. And I was drunk.

And I come in, this is a true story. Like, I promise you, this is a true story. I come in and he's like, they're giggling in there. He's like,

hey, hey, boy, what you're doing? I'm like, oh shit. Turn around. Now, here's the thing. I got over this. My sister never did.

She's, Is this so upset about this? I mean, he's gone now, so it's hard to be upset about anything, right? But she never did. So the answer is, no. So much of you make sense, man. I've seen it. The answer is, no, I mean, to me, eventually I just started laughing at it.

I thought it was crazy. I was like, first. Oh, get it, all right? Oh, man, shit. God damn. He was like, he would, God bless him. He was the man who was completely wrong to do this. by the way. Just let you know.

We are not championing it. Yeah, she's completely wrong. It's embarrassing. But he was the man. He was the man. So yeah, no, to your point, Charles, it's not optimal. Feels like every product claims real protein these days. But real doesn't start on a label.

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