The Ringer-Verse - ‘House of the Dragon’ Season 2, Episode 3 Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

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Welcome into the Ringiverse But we don't give a fuck What? Fair enough Let's get started Yeah, let's go What the energy, let's go The Ringers Nexus podcast feed

For all themes fandom We are Joe me the explainer at Diron You've got questions He's got answers We are Steve, the architect Alman, the builder and tinker of things

We are Old Man Van He of the Receding Resurgent Hairline We are Coat Baby Chuck 24-carat closer, along with the Midnight Collective, Zaya, uh, oh, excuse me. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, someone's glitching early.

I'm glitching early. That's an early morning glitch out. In Paris, Zanaris, Arjuna Ramgapal, and ooh, yeah. Jonathan, Mr. Midnight Kerma. There you go. I'll take that. I'll take that. That's a win.

That's all that you do. Whoa. He's not finished yet. Count Cocoa Kerm. Count Koko. So there you go. You can't get on. One win, Charles.

You saw him. Coco Kerm. He don't so. It wasn't over until it's over. Mm-hmm. Chocolate and nuts. Together we are known as of the midnight boys.

Fouts on socials, into Twitter, Facebook, TikTok. Hey, y'all really like that Chris Ryan clip from the live show. Shout out to everybody who's been following. Shout out Lanzal Lanzo.

He follows us on Ring ofverse. So y'all think y'all better than Lanzal Lanzal. You not follow us too. But, man, my beef is really with you right now. Why? Oh, right. She checked this out, okay?

You are on two great podcasts here at the Ringer. Mm-hmm. Right? Higher learning in the Ring ofverse. Yeah. Every week, you be posting clips of higher learning. Oh, wow. We'd be giving you clips to post about Ringaverse.

You'll be posting us, man. Are you ashamed of us? I'll tell you why I don't post it. First of all, I do post it. I post everything I put in my stories. But I don't post it in protest. Okay. For how you're breathing down my neck.

No one demands that I post anything from higher learning. Jomi, I got to get you out of your caring phase of life. Just give the clips. Just give the clips. That's what I don't. But the moment the clips come out, hey, van, por favor, put this up. I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it.

No one, I have to, this is how toxic I am. I have to beg for the higher learning clips. Wait, wait, wait, wait. So Joey's serving up there already ever. It's just how I am. Crazy. It's just how I am. So we just got to reverse psychology.

The way I was, like, when I was out there dating, is the more that she liked me, the less I liked her. It's like, oh, you're really, you're really into me? I don't know. I don't like it anymore. Now. Wow. You like a chase. I would be like, I would be like, what's wrong with you if you find me desirable?

Wow. The time it didn't work was with Kalika. Kalika was like, hey, I love you. And I was like, I love you too. And that was it. That's real. But I guess I'll post more. But like even see what you just did right now, now I don't want to do it.

Now I don't want to do it. Well, the other people know. So people, why are you trying to hold another black man down at this company? What I mean? You posting these clips? Like Jomi is a hard worker on the. social team, you don't want to help support him through this journey? Thank you, Charles.

So we're going to make an argument that I haven't supported Jomi. So you're going to, any of your comment on Vans' Instagram posts, anything that's not reversed, support Jomey. Number one, that argument can't be made. It's an impossible argument to make. Now, you've been great, man, thank you.

I'll post it. I'll post everything. I just wanted to actually get this little it for the show, so we're not on YouTube. You can watch Every Midnight Boys House of R and Talk to Thrones episode on YouTube.com backslash at Ringiverse. Like, comment, subscribe. Go on the goddamn YouTube and watch the shows.

Okay? I've been watching a lot of the conversation out there. You guys are loving what we do over on the twos. We have a great video team. I just keep saying that in order to get this up, it took the hard work of a lot of people and we are so appreciative of those people's worse. Let's slap it up.

I thought we were snapping. Oh, yeah. Oh, that does sound nice. It's better. A lot of people. Also, The Ringerverse will be live at the El-Rate Theater. None for Kerm. This summer in L.A. will be there on July 17th.

Check out the ringer.com backslash events for more info. Now, what day of the week is that? It's a Wednesday. That's a Wednesday. Also, guess what day it is? What day is it? Jomey's birthday. That's right.

Jomey's fucking birthday. Here's the thing. All the ladies in L.A. All right. Well, hold on. Eligible Bachelorettes. All right. We're going to be throwing a little swaray for Jomey.

Oh, my daddy. You know what I'm saying? Dressed to the nines. You know, maybe bring a little food. Show us how you do in the kitchen and like. Hey, this is what we're going to do. This is the party. We're going to have, and this is completely, this is okay.

All right. This is all above standards. Of course. We're going to have a Jomey, a dinner on white girl, Daisy Duce. Oh. Oh, all right. So all the ladies, the white girls in L.A., get your finest cutoff shorts.

A hawk tour birthday. A hawk tour birthday. See what she wore to the Zach Ryan concert. That's what the ladies are dressing up for Jomey. And that's it. And also for our sisters, we still got you. Steve going to have his own section at the party for all the sisters. Because that's the thing about Mnett Edition.

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Let's say something here. Joe's been around for the whole summer. I haven't seen enough Joe. I'm just going to pull up to Joe's crib. Oh, hell you. Pull up to Joe's crib like 930. I fear, honestly. In the morning?

Night. Rumors on the street. Joe's been popping bottles in the clubs just, like, going crazy. No, she has. Like, it's... You got one oak at like 3 a.m. Oh, man.

Joe is so L.A. She's trying to, she don't like L.A. She's so L.A. Joe is so L.A. I don't know all my friends from the studios. I talk to my friends from the studios. Joe, you're one of us. You Hollywood.

She's creepy walking. Well, that would be so funny. No, what we should do? We should take Joe to Slawson and Chris Schollinger and Joe. just drop her off. Don't do that. Come on.

They will love her so much. Joe is like, Joe is one of those people who can get along with anyone. She has such as a delightful spirit. She'll, like, we'll come pick her up. She'll be like, neighborhood, cut. She'll be like, neighborhood cut.

Man, this is my new friend. This is my new friend, Big 600. Gotta relax. Got to relax, man. A show to do. Come on. Great. getting to it.

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We're spoiling the fucking shit. I'm going to read the whole Wikipedia right now. Right now. I'm going to go on. I'll spoil whatever I want. I'll do whatever I want. I listen to y'all. We talk about the show.

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being ready to talk about House of the Dragon. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. To begin our reactions, we have to put you in the know. The only person who can do that is Chuck Wagon. The only way to do that is Midnight Manifest.

All right. This is your Midnight Manifest for House of the Dragon Episode 3, The Burning Mill, directed by Gita the Sand Hotel, written by David Hancock. The Brackens and the Blackwoods Beef over Team Black and Team Green in the Riverlands. Meanwhile, Nira and the the rest of her crew, buried the Eric twins, as Renice tries to tell her that Queen

Allison could still be reasoned with. Reneira sends Raina, her children, and some dragon heads away for their protection, and makes Misaria one of her advisors, thanks to her warning, the crown of the Eric attack. Kristen decides the best thing he can do as Hand of the King is right off into war to conquer Heron Hall. Unfortunately, he's outmaneuvered by Damon for the time being, who gets there first. Laris becomes Agin's master of whispers after he counsels Agon to avoid going to war with his dragon.

Kristen and Allison's brother, Gwain, is spotted by bail and her dragon, which escalates team Black's counsel to crawl for all-out dragon war. To avert this, Reneera infiltrates King's Landing as a scepta for the church to see Allison. It's here that Reneera and Allison realized that this entire debacle was a mistake, and Allison's non-understanding of Song of Ice and Fire again, this whole little war. That's been a midnight man. I got to tell you, of all the times I've been pissed off

and nothing pissed me off more than that scene. I can't wait to talk about that scene. What a great scene between Allison and Ed and... You know what pissed me off? What pissed me off? What pissed you off? Honestly, they had the full frontal, full frontal pale dong in this episode. It was...

Why did that piss you off? I didn't think we'd start here. Actually, no. We actually... You want to know I pissed me off because I was like, if the midnight boys ever go to a brothel, then your A-Gon, you couldn't help yourself.

What do you mean? Like if I'm going to run in there while you guys are in there with somebody? Just yell it just as being like, no decor. No decorum. No decorum whatsoever. Hey, what's going on here? Where is she? Where is she?

I have to agree with my other midnight boys. I see the vision. You would have pulled an agon in the brothel. You guys don't know how I would act in a brothel. I'm sure you would act just like that. That's not how I am in a brothel. I don't believe you. Charles, you did this to yourself.

That's not how I am in a brothel. So we just line at 8 a.m. No, no, hold on. How would you just lying? We just lying. We just lying. Tell us. I'm the most gentlemanly, quiet, meek, amazing guy.

I'm playing the top. He's playing the ass here, bro. Everyone loves to see me coming. Jomey's going to have, like, just a harem of white women. You just say nothing. Nah, that's not what. That's not what. Jomey, I'm not going to get in the middle of Jomi's fuck action in the brothel, okay?

I'm not going to walk. I'm not going to walk in there, all right, in the middle of Jomi's situation while he's in the brothel. Because when Jomi turns around and stands up, you're going to get a, all of West Africa and that's not what, you know. That's not what you want. I understand. Yeah, I understand.

Because we call them the five, the five inch warrior, but we know it's probably not the reality. You know what I mean? 15 inch warrior. Please move on so I don't have to make that a hashtag. What do you think about this episode? Oh,

I think that this was positive momentum just in terms of getting people out of these fucking dark-ass castles. I mean, Damon went to one again. But it finally feels like we're getting to the part that I think this show has always been teasing, which is the war aspect of this, of these two houses are obviously fighting this blood feud,

but they're not really the ones who are about to get their hands dirty. It's all of Westeros who has to fight over this kind of, as we see at the end of this episode, just a nonsensical war. So I think in that, in that respect, I was really, really entertained by this episode, but I'm still getting a little bit tripped up by the mechanics of it, I think, because it's like we've now had three episodes where it's just like,

oh, you killed my son? Well, I'm sending Damon into fucking, I'm sending him to Kings Landing and he's going to go kill your kid. Then I was like, well, we're sending the twins to go to your castle and they're going to try to kill your queen. And then Rear is like, you know what? I should do? I should just go to Kings Landing. And I'm like, what is the security? security like here. Why are they traveling back and forth within the course of fucking days? And why is Renera one of the biggest

idiots in Westrose? Okay. So let's go a couple of things here. First of all, I think there's various stoop points that you bring up. I'll tell you what I thought

about the episode. I thought it was great. I tend to like this show when it's smaller. Okay. When it's a smaller show, when it's more about the dynamics in between. Because that's essentially

what's going to drive the show. It's part of that. Every single thing that you point out, is what I've been here from other people. And it's kind of like, well, what are you doing? And, but part of it is, if the family drama and the tension between the characters doesn't work for you,

the story of fire and blood might not just work. And that is, there's a lot of people who, that's kind of the thing, right? We watched seven seasons of people battle for the throne, different factions, huge armies and all of that. This is essentially about misunderstandings and family trauma and how that affects everyone else. And if that part is not working, then the show might not work.

So here's the thing. I actually, I agree with you. Yeah. The family stuff, the family drama to me is the most fascinating part of the story. Where I think I'm getting a little bit tripped up is that because of the way that the show is set up, you have some of the most interesting character dynamics, basically at two separate, sides of this war, obviously. So it's just like, Damon and

Amon are going to have to come to blows at one point. But until then, it's just like, okay, okay, I know they hate each other, did it, da, da, da, da. Or it'll be like Allison and Renera, and they have to come up with all of these ways to still make that tension feel real. And in this

episode, it felt a little bit like a jump the shark moment where I'm like, the queen, the queen of this entire, because earlier in the episode, everybody makes a very, very stoop point. They're like, Agon, why the fuck would you hop on your dragon

to go to war that makes no fucking sense? You need to stay parked here. And for Renera, who I think is way smarter than Agon, and it's actually a ruler in this episode, you see, okay, like, she actually has a lot of what you need. Her to be like, know what I'm going to do?

I'm going to get dressed up like a Scooby-Doo villain and try to sneak into Kings Landing to have a talk with Allison. Am I the only one that loved that? I liked it. No, I liked the conversation they had, but it was a little difficult to me. I'm like, you're the,

you're the queen going into enemy territory in disguise. That doesn't, why are you doing that? I feel like they needed to have that moment, though, because I think what these first three episodes are doing was trying to just say how stupid the entire thing's going to be, right? Like, stupid, like the escalation of conflict. Like the reasoning behind this war in the first place. The first three episodes,

all they do is tell us, like, A, nobody's going to remember what this whole thing is about. We're just going to die, and it's going to be dumb. And two, hey, this whole thing started over a simple miscommunication. Like, if y'all had what had talked. Yeah. After if Sarah sort of died, wouldn't be having his beef. And so, but now it's too late. Now hundreds of thousands of people are going to die because y'all couldn't have this conversation how many years ago.

And I think the logistics behind Reneera coming into King's Landing and. and like going up to the sept and literally just talking to Allison. I think the reasoning behind her doing that is just like, well, I want to put myself at risk first before I put all of these hundreds of thousands of innocent bystanders at risk first. Like if there's any way that I could possibly prevent this in a last ditch effort to do so,

then I'm going to do it. Motherfucker, like, you essentially have an entire, you're splitting the kingdom in half. And the minute that Aegon was on that throne and she was just like, you surfed my throne, they were on, it was going to be war. So that's the other thing I don't really understand about the show where I'm just like, Reneira.

Really? Like you, like that is the thing where it's like, maybe she just is very naive because everybody else, even Damon's an asshole, Otto's an asshole, but both of them are very, very clear. They're just like, there was always going to be a conflict and there was always going to be a war because that's all Westeros knows. And now it's just, are we both using our nukes? or are we going to try to avoid using them?

Right, and I think that's fair. I think that she's really afraid to use them because rightfully so, it's just like, once we hit that button, there's no going back from that. So I'm going to exhaust every option. The show is essentially about the end of a dynasty and how the cracks and the craters in that dynasty led to the end of the Targaryan rule over Westeros.

And, you know, those things always happen from within. And they're always, there's always dead. and misunderstandings and mismanagement that lead to something blowing up from within itself. I think that this episode worked for me. And the overall family dynamic and drama works for me because

so we're essentially litigating who the good rulers are. It's obvious when you watch this one that auto is missed. Yes. It's obvious that auto is missed, right? We're talking about who the good rulers are. In the last show, you had a lot of incompetent rulers, right? But you also had a lot of good ones.

You had a lot of people who were naturals. You had a lot of people who were able to inspire. You had a lot of people who you could look at the show and be like, I would follow that person. In this show, you have none. Like, none. You have, like, zero. Who would you follow from the show?

In this show, you have none. Like, right now, she, Renera looks like she's, kind of impotent as a ruler. She looks like she rules with a moral compass, but she's losing the support of her small council because she's in a fight, but doesn't seem like she wants to fight. There's a line from the wire,

and Slim Charles says it in the wire. He goes, well, we're at war. If it's a lie, we fight on that lie. So you do follow us on socials, but you don't post nothing. What do you mean? I didn't make that last night. I did a whole...

You're thirsty ass. Show me if he sees the shit, he's going on it. He's going to share it, bro. Let me tell you something now. Let me tell you something. I actually didn't see that. I don't know if you know I did way down in the whole, whole podcast on the wire with Jamel Hill.

Go check that out. So I know everything from the wire. It's not a fucking... You think you're the only nigga that thought that? No. Get off your own dick. All right. Wait, does this make Renice Slim Charles?

What? Is Renice the Slim Charles of this show? Renees. Well, she kind of is. She literally, when she's talking, she's like, when she's going, she's like, hey, you know, just like you didn't really mean to kill. Yeah. Like, it was that moment where I was just like, oh, Renice is the smartest. She's the auto equivalent.

We go back to any time, like, we go back to after Vito Corleone is killed. And you have Sunny. And Sunny looks at Tom Hagan and goes, you're not wartime conciliary. Like, we're in a war. and the rules are different. The rules are different when you're at war. When you're at war, you want to fight a just war, but sometimes you're just fighting.

And she can't seem to do that while on the other side, the war isn't just, but all they want is to fight. So the question becomes to me, whose philosophy wins here? And it's a compelling question because no one has good. leadership. Aegon is one of the worst kings and rulers I've ever seen.

I mean, when he lets Laris, it's so funny where it's like in the first season we see how ineffective Vassaris is. But it's so funny how like Vesaris was like, I do not need a whisper in here. I don't need y'all in my head. And Agon, it takes five seconds. It's like, I think you should be on my counsel.

When that was clearly just a lie to play him to not go to war in the first place. He's like, oh yeah, you're my master. But you're so smart. Agon don't be vetting any of these. No. Because Sir Christa Cole walks out and the New King's Guard are just like chill in there, just lax.

And I'm like, what the fuck is happening? In the small council meeting in that scene, you see that Allison has a little bit of her father in her where she's attempting to make him take a pragmatic, more measured response to the things that are going on. And he can only think like a soldier. he can't properly advise the king because he doesn't have a 360 degree view of Westeros. So with all of this happening at the same time,

what I really wonder, and then you have Damon, who's off on his own side quest at Heron Hall, doing his own thing, there's no cohesion, there's nothing, there's a bunch of, the show is a dysfunctional family reunion that a bunch of people are going to die for,

and that's what you see in the first scene. I really liked Damon's side quest in this. I thought that was actually like really, really great. I hate Damon. That's not true. I do. What's wrong? Damon's the only motherfucker out here. He came in way too hot at Heron Hall.

Cammon coming in way too hot in Harren Hall. And then he's like, it's your grace. It's like, all right, bro. That's not. You know what I mean? Like we just had the conversation last week with Renera, right? Do you see me as your queen? You know, then he goes to Aaron Hall and he's the guys like,

your prince because that's what he's supposed to be called. And he's like, your grace. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, be for real, bro. You guys are so big, bro. I mess with Damon. I got a dragon. Put some respect on my name.

Bro, I've got a bombed out house from the last guy with a dragon. And I'm like, all right, whatever. Bow down, fealty, yada, whatever. But that's not going to work. Okay, so for Reneira finds out he's been going around a ton of people to call him your grace. Does that go on slide? No.

She don't got any other choice. I feel like she does. And she can be like, hey, man, you can't really be acting like that. All right. First of all, she, like, let's be real with Reneer.

Like, I got to clear out on this. She treating all the black people in this castle like hell. When she, it's a racist show. It's a whole lot. No,

no. No. She's the racist children. She's getting mad at her, general. I've never seen a show that treats the black people worse. No other show.

It's like, it's like, hey, hey, I need you to look after my kids to fuck out of it. She made it to a man. Sammy.

Like, Yo, she did. The girl's looking at her like, you know. I need you to be the mother I never could be. I would really rather not

watch after your kids. She's like, look at your mama. Put this fucking scarf on. Get on your little bicky dragon. Take these eggs and go fucking be wet. She told her, sister. Hey, I'm going to need you to get your ass up

out of this couch and go with the dragon. And what happened when they were leaving, Steve? you were telling me she hugged all of her white kids that were born by her and none of her black step kids tough and fucking damon honestly dave left those kids like they're damn don't even like oh you just like peace like bye bye i just say goodbye here's the thing i will just say like yo rinera first of all she's treating all black people like help second of all dam is the only motherfucker here that at least got some wartime heart like i'm not saying he's smart but like damon's about that action and

Meanwhile, everybody in your counsel is like, hey, yo, it's, I think it's time to make a move. And she wants to play dress up. It's looking bad. You're not making any wrong points, but at the same time, Damien has got to respect the chain of command. If any of this is going to work,

he's got to respect the chain of command. Well, whoa, here's the thing. All right, so if we're going to be real, part of this is on Renera. Because if Renira is a strong, effective ruler, everybody's not, her counsel's not doubting her. motherfuckers aren't did-da-da-da.

Like, you got to like... You're missing the part of that. Saji, Saji. Yeah. There's a big part of this show that is also asking the question because we had to ask this question in Western Rose before.

All right. The Starks, for all of the fact that we love the Starks, there would always be a woman in one of the Stark's ears going, hey, this is what you should do, and they never did it. Nope.

And every time, they never did it, and they always got fucked up. Yep. You are right, but here's the, here's the reason why. Saji, Saji. No, there is a lot of Sajy, Sajy action. I'm not going to, I'm not going to lie.

But it's a lot of it, Reneira, I'm going to be real. Reneer be talking to the other women on this show, crazy. She was talking like, Masaria. I'm like, your home girl just saved your life. And she, like, she was just looking at her just like, you should kind of be thankful that I'm even thinking about putting you on my, on my counsel. I'm like, yo, coach.

Well, I mean, yeah. Because I would ask the same question I'd be like you just said you wanted to leave Now you want to come back and be at court Is it Ushu Wiley on one mic? I would have been like yeah Because I would have asked that same question Because it's a big difference between

Wanting to leave And go back somewhere Yeah And then wanting to come be a party I saved your life So what? And it's like we know that you live off of like playing other people Yeah

And you think I'm just going to let you in here? Not exactly the most trustworthy person. Yeah. Like what you want? Like what are you on? She openly admits that she like leads in double dealings. And you're like, all right, well, uh, you did save my life. So I'm going to think about it.

Yeah. But, but she made a good case. By the way, you know, you said something earlier about the security about people sneaking in and out. I just want to let you know they don't have ring cameras. Yeah. There's no simply safe here. No face your ID.

No. There's a lot, there's a lot of ways to get in and out. of this place without being detected. By the way, I loved her bodyguard. He was so cool. Just like, case enough the joint. It's like, let's go back. Yeah.

After the first, like, here's the thing. Both of them have had so much just security malfunctions. After that happens once, I would assume it would get harder and harder to sneak into these places. And it's like, nah, I just got to dress up and we just going in and now. They got her at church. Yeah. Yeah. It's not the red keep.

Yeah. So. So you also. Y'all saw that scene and you was just like, damn, that's exactly how it would go down. I was thrilled. I was like, I was like submission impossible shit. The scene was dope. The mechanics of the scene are just, it's leaving me with a lot of questions.

I'm just like, is everybody on this show besides fucking Otto and Renice? Dumbasses. I mean, yeah. Yeah. I mean, they kind of are. But remember now, the only reason why they're dumb asses is because no one is operating out of intelligence or cunning or planning. It's emotion. They're operating from emotion.

Remember, the best part of this conversation is like, hey, well, killed your son. Hey, well, killed the son. A, took the eye. You could argue that none of those things that happened were 100% intentional. Right. It's just like none of those things that happened were like, I didn't mean to do that. I didn't mean to do that. I didn't mean to do that.

And no one can stem the tide. of unintended slights and those slights keep getting more dire, keep getting more serious. It went from, I took your eye, which is a trauma you'll never forget, to I killed your son, to I cut the head off a baby. And now we're trying to stop it, the snowball from rolling downhill. And no one seems like they want to stand in front of it. And that's the question of the show. The question of the show is, will anyone stand in front of this and go see?

stop. And that's really what they're missing when the king died with somebody who could unite everyone and make decisions that, like, made the kingdom work. I mean, I think to your point, the best thing that this show does is it makes this high drama, high fantasy so relatable because that, the biggest thing that you notice in any family, like, if you go to like an aunt or an uncle who's not talking to another aunt or uncle, and you ask them what happened, what's the start of the beef? And they're like, oh well it started like years ago you go to the other party

and it's something completely different and you just go down story after story after story and you're like you guys aren't fighting over shit like all this stuff is so jumbled that I do think that House of the Dragon is doing a very very good job of making this large scale war

seem so even in the first scene when the two boys are fighting I'm like oh they're fighting over team black team green but they're really fighting over a century's long beef that both of their families have had. And they just need any excuse. They don't even remember why.

No one remembers why. And I do think that that was a genius thing to start the show with, is being like, oh, this isn't just a Targaryen problem. This is a Westeros problem. Well, I think it's to, again, it's to highlight the entire point of the show, which is people are going beef. Why are they beefing? Who knows?

But people are going to die and look back and go, man, that was kind of stupid. Yeah. Right? What did the dude in Heron Hall say? Sin Begets. sin begets sin. Nobody knows what started it, but it keeps happening.

It reminds me something. So during the pandemic, I, like, started watching YouTube's about the gangs in L.A. As one of us. You ever watch these? The Warren Callie. No. Welcome to the Whoop War Stories. You guys never watched that?

No. You guys never watch Warren Callie or Welcome to Who's War Stories. Today we're going to tell the story about Rolling 60 Crypt. You never watched that? I take this is the host that you're imitating around. That's how he talks. Okay. And he's a great storyteller.

Okay, cool. Welcome to Hood War Stories. He's a great, he's a, he's a, he's a great storyteller, right? And so they'll be telling these stories about these different sets. And normally, it's different gangs that are like, they're different sets and they're in the same game. This is how the eight trades and the 60s started beef or whatever, whatever. And it always, you get a generation of beef. And I don't want to talk out of school.

I respect everybody's politics. but you get a generation of beef based upon an incident that happened between two people. These two people were at a party and the way Who war stories, the guy says it, is always funny because you can tell that he's making

a little bit of commentary about how silly it is. He goes, there's two people who got in a party allegedly over a female. You know what I mean? And then, so somebody gets beat up, Then there's retribution, then retribution. And then essentially, you have 25, 30 years of two sets going back and forth.

To them, it's not over that. To them, it's over the people that they've lost. Right? Yeah. It's not because somebody was killed in 1989 or 1991 or 95 at a house party. It's because your brother was killed or because your cousin was killed or because somebody that you grew up with was killed. It's not about that, but that's what it started about.

So the question about whether or not you're actually fighting over something or actually fighting over nothing becomes a compelling one. And like at the beginning of the show, when those two people were going back and forth, he said his sword is for killing the other guys. Yeah. So really, it's actually more impressive that there's a piece. So when that happens and you see the episode starts, fantastic. and you see the actual cost of this battle

that's essentially over a ruling family's claim to the throne, you start to ask if any of it is worth it, which side do you? I mean, even in this walk-out meeting, it's so funny that, like, AGO is like, hell yeah, he's, like, so jacked up, like, that war is starting finally. And they're just like, I don't really know if we can count this as a win. We lost so many people. A lot of people.

We lost, and it's like, it's so, like, to your point, without auto there, without a lot of these people there, it is also this is like a generational story of you have people that have been by the sides of kings know the politics know the economy and then you have this new class of rulers coming in where it's like i think rnira and agon are more similar than we would like to believe in terms of like they've never really had to know what they're doing they don't like they've they don't have strong hands one of them has damon who is a psychopath yeah and the other one had auto who had been the hand of three kings, right, who was actually trying to tell people how you manage a kingdom and win a war. He got out of there, put Christian Cole in there, who's essentially Damon's counterpart, his six big chance on the other side of that. So it's, it's kind of, the whole thing is fucked up. You don't have good leadership and people are going to die. It sucks that Chris and Cole got something right this episode. You liked it. No, I didn't. I didn't at all. I hated that. Wait, what did? First of all,

The hair comes. Hair goes. Terrible. The Caesar? That's how you know he ain't got no homies in his corner. A real homie would have been like, hey, man. Like, at first you got to go back. Ah, look at you.

Barber messed you up and then you're like, hey, man. I ain't going to lie, bro. It's just terrible, man. That happened to me. You were deceived? So when I first came to L.A., I didn't know a barbershop to go to. And I didn't have a charles.

I didn't have a van. You hugged me up first time. Yeah. Well, who'd you up, and then you just got you on. I didn't have anybody to ask, right? Like, that's the thing about going to a new place and not knowing the black people there. Yeah. You got to build, you know how Joe Biden got to build back better plan?

When you got to go to a new place, you got to build better blacks. And I didn't know. I was hanging out with my homeboy Jeff, Brett Buehletek, Dan. These were the people that I met, right? Like, I got a $500 subletters apartment out in Van Nuys. No air conditioning. Nice. That's what I had to. Like, just fucking going crazy.

But my fucking roommate was my friend Dan. Me and Dan became cool. And then we decided to get another apartment. But these people weren't black. And the people that worked with that Capricorn weren't black. I didn't know where to go get my hair cut at. So I went to the drug store and I bought Clippers. Oh, no, bro.

And I was cutting my own hair. What year was this? This is 2006. Is this when the hairline started to go? No. The headline stayed pretty strong until, I mean, I told you, Trey was the one that told me. My current barber was the one that told me, yeah, we got to push this back. And then that was a tough, that was a tough day.

So I'm cutting my own hair just to, just to cut it all over and keep it down, no line, no nothing, just to cut it all over. And I'm at the, I'm at the gym one time, right? I'm shooting basketball or whatever. And after a game, you know, I'm starting to make friends. I'm starting to get my body back. I'm playing ball. I'm like, I'm sorry to make friends.

I'm sitting down to, and this kid, Chris, who I used to play with all the time, he goes, he looks at me, he goes, fuck, who cut your hair? Damn. And I was like, I did it. And he goes, oh, it's okay. That's tough. And then let me tell you how good, Chris is a cool little guy.

He was one of those dudes that wasn't really athletic, but was a really good basketball player because he was so coordinated, just like a soccer player that could play basketball. I loved him. A couple of days ago, Chris goes, they said, yo, this is my man, Ron. Hey, Ron, what's up? Hey, could you tell Van where to go get his hair?

I didn't even ask. He didn't know, but he knew the guy. I didn't even ask him. And then. That's a friend. And then he told me to go down the street to this barbershop, and that's where I met Trey. Wow.

And then Trey, my barber, got kicked out of that barber. shop. I followed into another barbershop. You got kicked out of that one. I followed into another barbershop. You want to tell people why Trey keeps getting kicked out of barbershop? No. I got my hair. I got my hair. I was like, man. And so, and literally, Trey's been my barber since 2007.

But, like, I was trying to cut my own hair. And I was wondering when Christian Cole was there, who's going to tell Christian Cole, who's going to introduce Christian Cole to a good barber? I mean, I think it's more utilitarian, because he's got to put the helmet on. And clearly he's got too much hair going on. So I think it's just more of it's like, all right. I think he's fucking, what is this going on?

Fabian Frankel said, like, that was the plan, right? When you go to war, you got to be like, not presentable, but you can't. Cut your shit. Yeah, you got to be locked in. Still not great. What do we think about Allison's brother? Gwain? He's a prick and I love it.

I love how the show just spawns new characters. Just like, they mentioned Darren last week, this week. It's just like, oh, yeah, I've had a brother the whole time. He was out there in Old Town. doing whatever. But once again, too, this is what I, this is like, Kristen Cole isn't keeping it pee. Like, he's being a simp. He's like,

damn, shoddy, I'm going out to war. You know, you want to show me any love? The minute she gives her little handkerchief, he acts like he's too good for it and they're doing it right in front of the brother. I'm like, yo, I genuinely think that the brother doesn't give a shit about that. Clearly. But the funniest thing

was when Allison's just like, yeah, I hope you don't fucking die like an idiot. I mean, I want to know whether or not the brother, what's his name? Gwain. Gwain. I want to know whether or not Gwain is nice with the sword. He's probably not.

I don't know. He might be because he was talking so much cash money shit to him. Like, we were watching that scene and I was like, yo, is he fucking with him? Like, he just comes on the scene. He's got a little Jamie Lannister bullshit to him to where the rich prince that, like, he seems to be pretty brave. I mean, he doesn't take the situation seriously.

He was trying to go to it. Oh, you got my dad fired, huh? Yeah, but like, I think that was made more. It was like, oh, this is the guy who took my pop's job. Yeah. That's kind of crazy. Wow. Good for you, bro.

You just like, dog, you look like, you, a poor boy. You're from nothing. Like, you, like, look at how you came up. I'm like, damn. I, because I, he was going to be kids at the ski resort. I thought he was about to piece. I was like, oh, let's take out these sorts. He was better.

But here's the other issue. Chris and Cole was like You guys got it You guys are going to the end We got to get back There's dragons I'm like Cole

This is what doesn't make sense to me The dragons most likely If they just fly that way Can already see the army probably So it's just like Without they hide in the trees Once again If I'm bail out

Also they're making the black people Dumbus fucking breaks I'm telling torch this whole thing Well she was told not to engage Don't engage You could have killed And she definitely pretty much engaged She could have killed them before.

She could have just had to drag and breathe fire when they were running away. Would have killed the horses, too, which would have been fucked up. But she could have killed them. But she was told not to engage. Once again, nobody, nobody is a fucking, is a wartime fucking general. If I'm in the fucking sky and I see Sir Kristen call, I'm like, I'm burning him to a crisp. Because also, everybody's like, who sent the Eric? Sue sent Sir Eric.

I'm just like, it's probably this motherfucker. Let's burn him to a crisp. This is my problem with the blacks. The team or the African American The team blacks This is my problem with the blacks This is my problem with team blacks So this show is

Clearly Coated to make you care more About team black to me Yeah Which is a difference between fire and blood Which we talked about that Which is a more even killed portrayal of it

The problem is They are It feels like They're like the Democrats like you're on their side, but it feels like they too pussy to win. They too infectual. Yeah, it's like... Even when they win they lose.

You know what I'm saying? So it could have been over. You could have burned up everyone. You didn't do it. You could have burned up Christian Cole. You didn't burn them up. Man, light the whole force fucking fire on, like, like, smoking to bear that whole fucking situation.

Reneera had the knife next to Allison. And the minute, they both realized, oh, we fucked up. And she's like, no, no, no. No, don't worry about it. I was wrong. I'm like, that's a much more nuanced. Killing Allison wouldn't have done anything. Yeah, I wouldn't have done anything.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You would kill Allison right there? Killing Allison wouldn't have done it. Oh, all the thing. The only thing killing Allison would have done. See, this is why I'm never going to war with this next. The dumbest thing she could have done it. She snuck into.

No, that's the dumbest things she could have done. That's actually an agon decision. You are Agon. Yeah. You're an agon type of. type of rule. That's not a good one, Charles. You are.

Killing. I'm leaving with something. Oh, no, bro. I'm leaving with something. Brae. Agon, Damon. No. Charles was the third.

Kieran with Alson would have been like the stupidest thing. Let's break it down. Allison doesn't really matter. Okay. She's the queen regent. It's not even a king. So you haven't, you haven't done anything. And even if you killed Agon right now,

Amon would take over, which is a million years. Let's break this down, okay? I don't. all this way, got dressed up like a fucking nun, we sit down, I realize that this entire thing was because you misheard... Emotional.

And you misheard some shit from a dying king. And then instead of saying like, oh, yeah, like, we understand, let's dead this. Alice is just like you, fuck. But you know that she can't dead that. She knows that she can't. She's like she can do now. There's nothing. It's too far gone.

She's talking to her to try to to get her to persuade her son. Okay? I have a question. I want to know what Kyle Chalkley or Mr. Midnight and Zanaris and Paris think about this. Do you think that killing Allison in that situation would have been a good idea?

Probably not. I think I agree that like there's nothing that would come out of it. I think though that like I understand Charles's points as an idea and that action needs to be taken in some way. And like I think my biggest problem with the show is that Reneira from a child is so different from who she is as an adult,

and that really disappointed me because I wanted her to be this, like, ruthless, I know what I'm doing, I'm going to like rule this kingdom type, but she became this like docile mother thing. There's a lot of game left. Which is kind of weird. A lot of game left for Reneer to make a turn. Do you feel like that they're not strong women leaders on the show? I, well, I think Reneas for sure. I wanted Reneer to be stronger, though.

I love that as a 12-year-old She was just like, I don't give a fuck I'm gonna do whatever I want And like, even like, okay, I hated that hookup scene with Damon But it was a great scene Because she was like, I'm in charge And if you don't like that

You can get the fuck out of here And he did Chaco Taco Taco I'm here for the drama man I would love this I say kill Allison just for the drama That's how I know you ain't got no brains Because I want to ask you

Guys guys guys Guys, guys, they're going to leave. At that point, she already realizes Allison has basically picked genocide over just being like, I was wrong. So at this point, like, I'm just like, I got to get rid of you and I'm running out of you. Again. She's not, she's, her hand is forced with this because she's like, there's no way that I can go to that council and be like, yeah, fucked up. This is going to be a great look for me. So all the restaurants has to fucking, has to fucking burn to a crisp because you made a mistake.

Yes. own up to it. Guys, guys. That's dickhead momentous. So she stabs Allison and then what? She just walks out of there? No, she literally had the first thing that's the first thing you're talking about. Remember that she's the ruler of her king.

So she's not a fair trade. Why is she in a nun costume sneaking into Arkansas? She's trying to talk to us. I was actually, I love that scene. First of all, the stakes of the scene were so high. You have this. It's not in the books. It's not in the books.

So like basically, and Joanna mentioned this yesterday. but like in this part in the books Reneer is more or less like off the board and like not doing much it seems because her small council is basically kind of like running how the operational things are working

here. So it makes sense for this part in the books that the historians didn't know about a secret meeting between her and Allison in an attempted peace talks. That's a secret meeting at the SEP. I like that. I also like the idea that this massive misunderstanding

understanding does just goes unanswered for this long to know that nobody knew that she just misheard the king and when she realizes that it's like oh so that was a story about seeing that was a story about the conqueror not my son and then alison knows but once again dickhead momentum it's something that we demonstrate on this podcast a lot aptly let's do joamy more than anyone What is... Jomi, when there's nothing there's nothing more useless than proving Jomey wrong. Jomey goes down with the ship.

This is true. It does not matter. Jomey goes down with... It makes sense to just leave it. It's just got to pull forward. Jomey goes down with the ship. She realizes she's wrong. And like my dad used to say,

sometimes, son, you just got to keep going for it. It's called Dickham, mental. Wait, so my question, though, because I actually think you guys are right. I'm like fucking, but there was the reason I guess I have so many issues not with the scene is more so, did

Reneira really think that she could persuade Allison? Because my whole thing, like once Agon is on that throne, there's nothing you can do to get him off besides killing him. I mean, Masaria had very good points

right before the execution. of this plan. She's like killing her would be easier. This is incredibly fraught. It's possible. And it's a massive long shot. Well, yeah, she was talking about the mission to go see her. Yeah. Not necessarily the conversation. I think it was like a hell Mary of Hell Mary's. Yeah. What is the most positive outcome of this? Oh, hey, my fault. Let me go talk to my kid. And I think maybe we can work something out. But here's the thing. Renera wants the throne. And it's like the high towers are not going to give up the throne because the whole thing that was in the first season that is really animating Allison is who protects us if my son isn't on the throne. It's not just that she misheard the king.

It's like, oh, the minute that Reneer is on the throne, my kids are always going to be competition. There's always going to be fighting. Other heirs, yeah. So it's like even if the two of them do meet and do. come to an understanding logically, at this point, the dick had momentum. Allison knows, I can't kick my son off the throne. There would have to be some kind of peace agreement to where she had her reign. And then maybe, because everyone's a Targaryen, there was a promise to keep them alive.

Keep them alive or give them Dragonstone or they would marry. So there would be shared power. And Aegon, but that's the other problem too. where it's just like Renair wouldn't want to do that. Well, not Mary, not Reneer and Mary, Agon. Agon would have to, someone would have to get married

to bind the two sides of the family for the next set of people to rain or something like that. And nobody's agreeing to that. I mean, it's too far now. Let me, um, it's, everything's too far.

How long of a friendship do you guys have? I mean, like, who's your oldest friend? Um, my buddy Jay. I've known him since I was like six. Okay. What about you? Yeah. Hmm.

I mean, my best friend. Shout out, Dan, my twin. Known for 31 years. Oh, that was so sweet. I know folks I've known since like 1998. Yeah. So, my oldest friend, Ryan Davenport, met him first grade, first grade, okay? First day of first grade is the oldest friend I have.

My other friends, you guys have met some of these guys. Oh, you guys met Ryan too. You met everybody, or you didn't meet him, but you met everybody at the, um. Was he at your party? At the party. Yeah, you weren't there. But you met Ryan, Ian, all of those guys are my oldest friends, right? Yeah.

The thing about having friends that's that long is understanding not how you grow together, but how you grow apart. Because what happens is, you know, everybody knows this about friendships. And sometimes this is why some people are good at having long friendships and some people aren't. the more you have a friendship with someone, the more you have to accept the parts of them that you don't know from age 7, age 8, age 9. They do things and you try to weave them back into who they are.

But the foundation of what you have, of the building blocks of who they are, like you might know why they made a decision that you don't agree with. You might know why they've done something wrong because you know all that trauma. You always go back to that. Like, that's why when you're talking to someone, you always go, hey, I knew you win.

Hey, I knew you when, when there was nothing on the line, but we were just trying to figure out how to have a good time, and you always appeal to that person. You never appeal to the person that your friend has become. You appeal to the person that they were.

That's what she was trying to do. She said we were at the attorney when my brother was born. She was trying to appeal to the person she first met. because she's like, this isn't who you are. This isn't who I am. This is what they've done to us.

Let's remember back when we looked at all of this as grotesque and perverted and wrong. Do you remember? And she said, I don't care. I mean, she did. She, like, she said, and look, when you have a friend for a long time, like, it's worked before. I've had to have tough conversations with people that were doing things that were really detrimental to their lives to where I had to be like, yo, brother, this ain't you. Like, I'm telling you, I know you, you don't want to be this, you don't want to do this,

this ain't you. Sometimes you give the person space, but like, I've had conversations to people where I was like, you're going to end up dead, you're going to end up at jail, this ain't you, I know you, it's me, it's van, and it works. And sometimes it doesn't work, you know what I mean? And in this situation, she attempted to do that. This was probably the bravest thing that anyone on the show has done, and even, even, season and it just didn't work.

Now we can fight. This conversation had to happen. And now we can fight. Maybe Allison couldn't have done anything, but the two little girls that we met before, they're gone. Because now she has to change to meet the standard that's been set by High Tower because it's never, ever going to be like it was, we're going to fight now. And that's why this scene, it had to take place.

It had to work because this is essentially ripping the seatbelt off and going, the plane is going down. Let's see who can survive the crash. I mean, the other thing, speaking of just really just heartbreaking moments, but also I kind of laughed, is when Allison walks in and Helena's just like, I forgive you. And you realize that. With her little caged up crickets?

you just realize in that moment like Helena's not stupid like everybody's like where was Sir Kristen Cole where was the King's Guard she also ran into the bedroom when that was happening no but it's like

it is this thing of just like oh this is how this family this is how this royalty this throne it destroys you and I think even this conflict if you think about it where it's like Reneira and Allison

the thing that actually destroys their friendship is their families. Both of them at a very young age have to decide. They're just like, what is the actual core of this family and what will I do to protect it?

And Allison makes the choice that I'm more of a high tower than I am a Targaryen. Even though I'm married into this family, I'm going to pick my family. I'm going to pick my kids. And Reneer is like, she's like, I'm going to pick my side too.

Because that's all you have. But what's funny about that is it doesn't seem like either besides really love their family that much. No, hell nah. They're killing everybody up. Allison goes, I'm not even worried about your kid. I'm more so worried about you.

I'm like, you can worry about both. There's one black character. What's Corlis? I fuck with Corlis. Because Corliss is, you try to bring Corliss to it. Corlis is like, I got shit to do. Got to fix that ship. I'm building the ship.

And we got barnacles to scrape. Y'all got some crazy shit going on. Man, I didn't lost my brother. I didn't lost my son. Like, look. Do you think that was posting up clarity? Probably. Because the last episode, he was in bed just like selling a dream.

He's like, yeah, you're the boss. Yeah, you got it. I mean, he's essentially the joie of the show. And more ways than one. He didn't got him a white girl. He married to a family. What was he trying to do? Trying to fix the ship to go out on the water.

You don't want to be involved. It's already cost him too much. He told her, he said, you know what? I'm not an invalid anymore. I'm feeling better. I'm getting out to see about what y'all what y'all going through right now. That's white people with white people five months.

I got other shit to do. Y'all got it. You're telling me he fixing the Chevy and the fucking daughter. Like, leave me alone, bro. Do not hit my line. Yo, man, shout out. Do not disturb. Hold on real quick.

Shout out to my Uncle Joe. We come into my, my, my, my, crib, right? We come into my Uncrib, and I walk in there, and my Uncle Joe is standing there, he's got a hat on and he's got driving gloves on because he has a car and then every Sunday he would take the car out and driving around Baton Rouge. And it was a crazy car, man. It was like one of them, like a John Wick car that John Wick had.

So he's driving around to be seen. Driving around to be seen. He got his driving. Okay. Okay. The whole nine. This is the highlight of his week. But when we come in, they're watching this video.

And the video was called, it used to be out in the day. People are not going to remember this video. The video is called where there's a will, there's an A. And it was an educational video. Look it up. It was an educational video for bad students to try to help them, like, get their lesson better, right? I'm like, my get their lesson. I sound like my dad.

To study better. Where there's a will, there's an A. Look it up. You see it? Yeah, it's like an hour 16. It was an hour 16. It was a video series that you would put on for kids that were doing bad. bad and you would try this is how you study

this is what you do, whatever, whatever. And so he wanted to go drive his car, but my aunt wanted him to stay with the kids and watch where there's a wheel, there's an A, because they were getting bad grades.

Fuck them kids. We walk in, I'm mad too because I only came over there to play Nintendo. This doesn't anything to do with me. I don't give a fuck about these niggas grades. I remember I asked, I was like, well, They're going to watch this. Can I go upstairs and play Nintendo? She was like, no.

You sit down and watch this too. I'm like, I'm not stupid, though. Like, why would I need to look at this? I'm not stupid. I don't need to watch where there's a wheel there's an A. I really came over here to play Mario Brothers and Contra. So you see Joe, you see Joe standing over there. He got the driving gloves together.

They're sitting down and watch it. Everyone is miserable. And my mom. This is an hour. 15 minutes worth of shit. It's a long thing with these two white people trying to teach you how to get good grades. And my mom is like,

my mom is like, look at Joe. Joe is in hell right now. Because all he wanted to do was get to, and he stood up and he was like, cut the video off. They cut the video off. He goes, this is why I'm going to tell you. Where there's a wheel, there's an A stands for asswomen.

Y'all gonna whip y'all asses. You got me standing here. It's Sunday, I want to drive my vehicle. It's Sunday. I want to drive my vehicle. Yo. All right. It's going to be some ass whoopants if y'all don't get your grades up.

I'm gone, God damn it. You walked out of there, and all you heard was scur! Peeled out to the donut. I'm doing burnouts in Baton Rouge. He did fast and free. Kids are just sat there. And then everybody started laughing. And then everybody started laughing.

We played Nintendo to the whole nine. Did their grades improve? Nick, I don't know. Like, I don't know. They were great kids. That's Corlis. That's Corlis. That's Corlis.

That's Corlis. You'll do bruce on his boat. While we're on Coral is, I know we've already touched upon this. I'm going to say something that might be controversial. Okay. I do believe in diversity, but if this is how they're going to do my brothers and sisters in these shows, just put all white people back in that shit, bro. Because instead of making the black people cool, now we got to do that thing where it's like,

sometimes it'll be like, I'll see a Kingsguard member and it'll be like one black dude. That doesn't say anything. I'm like, is that really what our vision was? I thought Baylor was cool this week. Yeah, Baylor was great. Moon Dancer? Yeah. Buzzin the towers.

Right? The Paradigm Falcon did dive. Like she spotted Christian Cole from how many kilometers in the air. Thought it was tight. No? All right. I love my, I love my Black Queens.

I love my sisters, but we ain't going to lie on this show. I thought it was time. What does she do cool? She flew around in the air and then went back to her mom and be like, hey, I saw Sir Kristen Cole. Yeah. Yeah.

It's very important. Yeah. I don't think that we need our own Game of Thrones show, though. Nah, nah. We do. I don't know, man. We need our own Game of Thrones. No, what, they don't give us our own, like, we need our own Star Wars show.

I know. We need, I'm talking about all black. We need our own Star Wars show. We need our own show. We need our own one. You thought the conversation about the Acolyte was bad. Oh, we don't need it. Well, fuck that.

Like, look, I like that. Like, I'll, that would be so hilarious to me. You know what? Actually, I disagree with you, Jomey, because here's the thing. The incels, when it's something, all black like Atlanta right white people love Atlanta because like when they see black people being cool having fun

our TV shows are hitting they get jealousy like shit this is pretty good I'll do my own Star Wars show about four Jedi going around the galaxy having to clean the galaxy up my four Jedi would be Deeray Davis Lil Duval Cedric the Entertainer

and Nick Cannon Cedric the Entertainment Cedric the entertainer does he have the hat on As a Jedi. As a Jedi. Because those are four brothers that are ridiculously entertaining and funny. Sure.

It's a comedy. Like, yeah, Nick Cannon could be your action Jedi. Like, Nick Cannon? Nick Cannon is leaving babies on every planet. Like, you go to Corosan, he got three kids. You go to Nabu, we got four. Yeah. Right, you go to Tatooine, you got six.

It's just, it's nuts. I had a black female Jedi because we got to have one. Gotta have one. I had a black female Jedi. Only one? Yeah, well, we'll have one. I mean, let's not get crazy. Lowella?

It's not going to crazy, okay? What? You know? You got to have a sister. That's why I said. Just one. Y'all are the ones that took it negative. I was, I was saying, you know,

and that's great. Okay. And that's what we're doing. Well, there'll be more black female characters on the show, but as, and Jedi, we're doing this. And we go to Raji P. Henson. She did a fantastic situation there. Because look, if they do it, you'll get five black British actors.

But no, this is who I want. And, like, funny. And then we'll do the same thing with Game of Thrones. We do the same thing we can't do. Give us our own stuff because when we're in the other stuff, we get marginalized. Okay? We didn't even talk about Allen and the brother last week. Like, we just completely forgot.

We marginalized them. What was I supposed to? That's true. He owes us. Who is he? You cooking some gumbo at home? Yeah, man. Does it got pork in it?

Hell yeah, bro. That's a terrible. Like, come on, bro. I basically said, you got some stew. In between the Coralus conversation, like, you can go sail with Coralus. I'm not really trying to do all that. Man, I want to eat the stew of carrots.

They're talking to him like, that might be his dad. Yeah. Um, I have a question about the Targaryian hair. Okay. Right. So, the strong kids. are not blonde. Why?

Is it, I have a question, this is a science corner, is it a dominant or a recessive trait? Well, I'm saying, I was,

because Allison's kids are blonde. Yes. Yeah. And she is not a Targaryen, but her kids became blonde. Yeah. Does the blondeness

only transfer through the father? Uh, because the strong kids are not blonde, yet their mother is a Targary. I would, I would guess. How does that work?

I'm trying to, make sure that I mean, see that the other yeah, because she was. Damon's kids, black and blonde.

Yeah. Yeah, but his wife also were. Nured's kids. No, Damon's kids. No,

Damon married a black. Oh, she was blonde. She was blonde. Yeah, she was blonde. Yeah, she was blonde. But Renera's, we're near his kids with

Damon, blonde. But her kids with what's his face? Not blonde. Yeah. With strong. But, but also,

Damon. Blonde. Yeah. Yes. Damon with the white hair. So the only, so the only ones that are,

yeah, the strong. What about John Snow? Not blonde. Not blonde. But his mother. The mother. Yeah.

It was the mother. Yeah. It was the mother. Well, I think, I mean, for the strongs, it's for, like, the story, right? Because it's obviously not. That's not what we're... I know, but I'm saying, I understand the... That's a glitch on a half.

That's a glitch out. That's a glitch out. Obviously, we know it's for the story. Yeah. But the question is, how does it work? Like, it works... All right. Yeah, that was a glitch.

Explain yourself. No, I mean, like, it's obvious. The whole point is that their hair... is brown. So we can be like, hey, man, that's such a kid. I mean, Allison's... Also that they're white. Well, the Strongs?

Yeah, because she was at the time, she was married to... To Lenore. Yeah, Leinor. Well, things like, like, once you'll get one that looks like you or something like that, like that's on purpose. I think everybody else has white hair, so you don't really think about it. Right. I know, whoa, but to button this up,

I do agree with you, Van, that it is very confusing because this was the first episode, because what's the name of the of the dragon seat Dragon seat Ohf? Yeah That was in the Best Hang in Westeros

Yeah I started I started questioning I'm just like What's going on With the Targaryen hair Because it's like If you If it's the father with blonde hair

It seems like at least What this show is telling us It's something that the father Has to pass down Because it's just the mother They're going to have Not really blonde hair To know this

But he was talking crazy in the bar He's like I could write a dragon People would want my head for this The bastard son of bailing the brave Yeah It's funny, I like him. I liked him. I liked him. I like people like that.

He was in there talking this shit. He almost got forked up. No, I don't like that. I'm like, talk your shit. Don't like, Agon came in. Hey, he bought drinks for everybody. I don't know. You beat my friend.

Also, I kind of feel like that's also the dude who just hung 13 dudes for no reason. Very true. You kind of, you got to let that slide. I mean, I will say, bro, shout out to Aymann because you know Aymann was embarrassed. You know what I'm saying? Aigon was trying to get, like, be like, hey, low, bro. And dog, he's such a jee, he just gets up with his hot D, just hanging out. And he's just like, fuck all y'all.

It just walks out. See, I didn't even put his clothes back on. He got to show full dog. You just got to let it fly. I know him. He was a show hurt. He was like, yeah, no, y'all got it. He was mad.

He was mad enough to be like, fuck all of this. I'm going to war now. Yeah, but he was lying. But he was lying on when he was like, it don't really matter. Yeah, but he can get mad enough. He does have a vagar down there, which I was. was very, I was just like, you know, good out. I mean, shout out to him.

But he was definitely feeling some type of way. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no. I was like, is this Aymann being like, you know what? The first chance I get. His brother embarrassed him. Yeah. In front of the, in front of everyone, his brother embarrassed him.

His brother doesn't understand what a tender moment that is for him. And he's drunk and being a little bit to be brought. By the way, the brothel scene had. several scenes, look, you know, that really is taking a back, okay? It's like on. It's like on. It was like on what I going on. Like there was a full on.

It was an aggressive BJ happening. Yeah, it was very aggressive. I was like, and look, and here's the thing. And let me tell you why that's vindication for me. Okay. Okay. Because I work with here on the Midnight Boys, a regular person. and then two Amish.

Yeah, right. Two Quakers. Okay. Did you guys have to close your eyes when she was given that sloppy topy? Yeah. And so to me, I'm like, I'm glad y'all had to watch that. Sure. Because it popped up and I'm sure Jomi hit under the covers.

How could they? You know what I mean? Like, what's going on? No, he's, he'll be like, I can't believe that they did that to her. I can't believe that she was in that situation in HBO. Who put her there? Like, what's going on? And to me, I'm looking at that.

I'm like, yeah. Make Jomi look at it. Make Jomey look at the fact. Make Jomey look at it? Yeah, I'm like, make Jomey look at the fact that people do that. And it's people been doing it for a long time

and make Jomey... Is this a clockwork orange? We just have bras or something. We like, Jomey. That's what we should do. That's what we should do. Yep. By the time Jomey is sturdy,

I'm going to have Jomey at the Exotica Convention in Miami. Jesus. Midnight Y'clock. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Now let me tell you why Kerm laughed. What did I do? Because Kerm no. about it, get on Mike, Kerm, what's so funny about the Exotica Convention?

What is it? First of all, what is that, Kern? I mean, just off name alone. No, don't do that, don't do that. Liar. Like, that's like, how am I'm playing. You know what, you laugh so hard because you've been there. You know, you know those videos on social media of the freaky motherfuckers who are like

standing in line for the porn stars a day by kid? Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. That's you. I don't want to hold it up a DVD. Huh. I got to meet a bill of danger.

She saw my DVD You ever see the guys and like The women that are there And they're like Like yeah I'm a danger The kiss of sins So

Christ a lot Also wait Before we Before we depart Alexis Taylor What did What do we feel about the The scene of Damon

Having the vision Near the tree Oh that wishy stuff The witchy shit Where she's just like You don't die Shout out Alice Rivers I would immediately go home

And not do war If that happened to be. So that lady looked at him crazy. And then he was obviously in an incredibly scary scene with

Emilio Alcock as young and era stitching the kid back. And he looked, for the first time I saw fear in the character. I've never seen Damon show fear before, but it seemed like he was afraid. Well, so Talk to Thrones touched on this, but essentially, Damon's whole thing is

he doesn't so vassaris was like a dreaming right Vassaris was somebody who thought like you know like the he would have visions and all that stuff and Damon thought that was whack Damon's like we didn't become thing in the trailer there's a line where it's like dreams didn't make us rulers dragons did right and so he's having a dream

he's having a vision and that scares him because that he doesn't believe in all that right it's like when somebody cease magic for first time, like actual magic. Someone's like, whoa, you know, like I can't believe this is real. This is happening. Oh, crap. Ah, it's bad news for him, I think.

And ultimately it's like, you're going to die. So I mean, I was expecting already. I'm like, I haven't read ahead, but I was just like, Damon, Damon's not long for this world. And I don't know if it's seasons. I don't know if it's episodes, but I'm just like he's moving crazy out here. Sorry. Damon's, Damon's getting past.

Back up. I'll tell you guys something. Great episode. The show is Cooking with Grease. Yes. Okay. It's fun. I love the world.

I love House of the Dragon. It's really good TV. It's really good TV. I'm enjoying it. I'm having fun with Hot D. All right. It's going to get even better next week, man. You think so?

I mean, the title's Dance of the Dragon, right? And it's writing by Alan Taylor, who's directed a lot of Game of Thrones episodes before. Most notably Baylor, season one episode nine. If you know, you know. So, you know, it's coming to get busy, man. Let's get it. I mean, if you saw the preview for next week, Vagar flying, they got all these dragons, brother.

About to get into it, man. Everybody was like, man, we're the dragons. That man, we're the beef at. It's Tom. Let's go. Yeah, we got budgetary concerns. It's HBO, man. Spend the budget.

Spend it. Spend the money, man. Spend the money. You guys got the check. One of the only show. Spend the money. I'll make sure you guys watch, by the way,

me and Charles doing the bear. Bear, prestige TV. Up now. Yes, up right now. Man, people have been really harsh on the bear. Oh, no,

it's getting, it's getting Ted Lasso. It's like they don't. Really? I haven't finished it. No, no, no, I'm not saying the show is Ted Lasso,

but you know how after Ted Lasso, my folks like, people are dunking on it. Fuck this show. It just got too popular. And now people are like, that's your generation, by the way.

Who's your generation? Oh, like your generation, like, The show comes out and it's like, you can't wait for the show to like, fucking. And then it misses a step for one season and we're like, fuck this show. That's not true because we did that with the Wire season two. Like, we turned on the Wire season two and it was all of these white people and we were like, what the fuck is this?

Is this? So are we watching CMT? Like, what the fuck is going on? Like, what the hell is happening? And then we watched the whole show. then a couple years later we was like you know what that shit was actually kind of good I'm not letting y'all do that

it was good it was good it was good it's a good season it's a good season it's a good season it was just jarring to watch them we'll take up with this another time midnight man it's almost like there's another podcast for it somewhere yeah that's wrap every Tuesday and Thursday House of R will deep dive into House of the Dragon and the Acolyte guys don't want to miss the Midnight boys

with the Ackleine on Wednesday I swear to God you don't want to miss it because the reality of the situation is that it's going to be a very important episode. We demand that you watch us on Wednesday. We also demand that you come to the live show. Look, the live show is going to be, we're going up. The 17th, all your favorite midnight boys are going to be there. All your favorite ring or verse people are going to be there. We're going to go crazy in this live show. I'm promising you something right now at this live show that you're going to want to be there in person for. The midnight boys are going fucking nuts.

We might disrupt the whole show. We might take over the El Ray Theater. Might get Jomey married? Jomey might get married. Hey, I won't. I'm telling you this for the live show. We're going to do a segment for the Midnight Boys on the live show. Eligible Bachelorettes that want to meet Jomey.

Show up to the live show. We're going to do a Jomey dating show at the live show. Can we do that shit with the balloons that's on Twitter? Oh, God. Yes. All right. We're going to do a 20 v.1. We're going to have a live show.

Bob and balloons with Jones. with Jomey and I'm telling you straight up if you are a lucky lady that wants to come out and need the explainer come to the live show the 15 inch warrior the 15 inch warrior come to the live show and by the way you will then go on a date with Jomey

I will pay for the whole date. No you don't have to because we know Jomey's going to take you on a picnic he's going to cook for you cooking like car service I might have I'm like I have one of my celebrity friends coming show. I'm serious.

You're going to get the Jomi experience, but you can only do it if you come to the live show. Oh, man. If you come to the live show. Wow. We are over-promising here. I'm serious. I need

to help. I want to say something real quick, too, before we go. Please get these tickets. I need the help of the Reddit here. Reddit, tell you something right now. The Reddit you've been feeling underrepresented, which I don't know. I love Facebook. I hang out with Facebook, love Twitter. I probably read the Reddit the most.

Oh, right? So I need the Reddit to get involved. I need Facebook to get involved. It's Jomi's time, live show. We're doing crazy shit. There's going to be games. There's going to be food. There's going to be booze.

This live show is going up. There will be a dating game. There will. It'll happen. There will. And then after that, we'll put Joe Mies going out. on a date with a lucky lady maybe too.

Honestly, if we should, we should do it for charity. What do they do like, you know what I'm saying? Oh, $5,000 to take out Joe me on a date. Do it for good cause, man. I'm keeping that money. So the charity is Van Lytton. That's it. Van Lacey.

You guys get to $20,000. I'm keeping. And we're busing that up. Yeah. Like, good. Borsman had to go to the dermatologist. Yeah. We need much.

You pimping out Jomey? Oh, I'm keeping that money. That's crazy. Do I get a cut? No, no. No. He's got a date. You're going to help you out.

Yeah, what are you talking about? I definitely need a dowry from you. I'm committed to my job right now. Yeah, yeah, your job is going to be this. We're doing a Jomey dating show. We can't do more than five ladies. So don't overwhelm us, okay? Five ladies, Jomey Damish.

It's actually going to happen. Arjuna, please save me. Our Juna is down. Our Juna is, our Juna is. There's got a ringer. to go for, there's something in the Spotify handbook against this,

right? There's got to be. It's happening. Show me. Just fucking let it go. Okay. We'll do anything to give people to watch this bitch.

Anything for the cut. That's a wrap. Every Tuesday and Thursday, House of our Deep Dive, House of Dragon, an Akely. I said that already. Every Monday and Thursday,

the Midnight Boys will give you their reactions to Hot D. Actually, every Monday we give you our reactions to Hot D every Thursday for the boys in the acolyte.

Actually, an important episode of The Boys, too. Yeah. I think about it in terms of writing this season, not writing it, but the season being like kind of what we thought of movie. You guys have to come back to the show on Wednesday because I think we will talk. We're going to talk Ackleit and the Boys, but we should talk largely like pivotal moments. Like, did they both stick the land? Yeah, they're making the turn right now.

It's important episodes. And I nominate my Ventures to Superman for a conversation pretty soon as well. I love that show. Oh, yeah. Oh, should I get caught up? It looks good. You should. It's really good.

It's really, really good. All right, yo, I'm going to start watching it and maybe we just give them a little 15 at the end. Yeah, it's really, it's really good this season. It really is. Every Sunday, Talk to Thrones will be up right after the latest episode of Hot D. N's. Our producer is Steve, the architect, Almond.

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Boo! Arjuna gets us breakfast Every time we have to come in here And do a house of the dragon early We should talk about that Arjuna gives us breakfast Yes, 8 a.m. 8 a.m. breakfast.

He makes it himself. He gets up there and he's preparing the bagels He's doing all of that stuff Let me tell you Arjuna, do you have the opportunity you do something next week for the breakfast. It's nigger breakfast time. Okay?

Nigger breakfast? Nigger breakfast. Because Arjuna, let me tell you what Arjuna. Arjuna has been in here bringing us the white man's breakfast. The white man. Appreciate the breakfast. We love the breakfast. We love the breakfast.

First of all, this is an option. See, everybody in your generation takes everything as a criticism. It's not a criticism. It's an observation. Right. And it's so we get in here. We get bagels. we got fantastic breakfast burritos.

Yeah. Oh, those, I will say, I went home and ate that shit and warmed it up. I was like, God damn. Good. Yeah. It was great. Breakfast peritos. Great donuts, the whole thing.

But I'm telling you, Arjuna, right now, this is what you got to do. Next time is for breakfast. We need some grits dripping with cheese. Some bacon. You know what I mean? Coming here with some sausage. I mean, that's what I want to do. We're going to fall asleep.

I want a big troughs of shit. And we come in here. We'd be like, I damn, man fucking house We out of this bitch You know, after this we go It's a hospital right up the street

We go straight to the emergency room The whole night Because when out in Louisiana We would get sausage, bacon And then the other type of sausage Cheese grits and pancakes That's what my mother would make for breakfast

That sounds great That sounds so good So one time Nick up, not for Kerm no Why? Why? Why? These are the people that are eating

This breakfast Okay Nigger breakfast time Alaya Arjuna And the midnight boys Kerm, you can't have any Tough

Wait, why can't the chocolate champion Get any breakfast The chocolate champion That's the fucking name It's six Chocolate champion No, none for you, Kerm Why don't

Like can I get an answer? We heard what you said Okay Um