The Ringer-Verse - ‘House of the Dragon’ Season 2, Episode 5 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: July 15, 2024

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Starting point is 00:02:33 Corey said, no, he's good. Doesn't need the screen top. All right. Well, I got to give him a nickname. All right. Corey Corey, the music man. Corey,
Starting point is 00:02:45 that's insane. Corey, fight back, please. We are known as the midnight boys. I follow some socials, Instagram,
Starting point is 00:02:57 Twitter. Jomi, Facebook, save Jomi's job. Jomi, anything interesting happened on social. I mean,
Starting point is 00:03:06 where do we start? Oh, yeah, that's right. We got to 30K on Instagram. We did? Yeah. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:03:15 Yeah, we did it. So, Steve, man, what does that mean for you in your career? I think that means that this is going to be my last episode of the podcast. Going out of the bag? Yeah, no. It's grand opening, grand closing. We got to find, we got to find Steve a red hoodie and some jeans. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:03:34 We're going to do it the right way, right? Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So, well, that's... Steve, are you feeling the pressure, Steve? Are you feeling because you got to do it? Yeah, I feel like in some ways I've been training my whole life for this,
Starting point is 00:03:47 but I'm not quite sure. Training your whole life for what part of this bed? To say, to say what word? To say, inform the audio. What word are you supposed to be saying? That's more of across that bridge when we come to it type of situation. Of course. To freedom.
Starting point is 00:04:05 To freedom. Is the Edmund Pettus Bridge? Right. You have been preparing for it. Yeah, it's crazy. All right. Guys, we are now on YouTube. You can watch every midnight boy's house bar
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Starting point is 00:04:34 Ringer.com backslash events for more info. Every Tuesday and Thursday, House of R will deep dive into the House of the Dragon of the Acoly. Every Monday, the Midnight Boys will be giving you our reactions to Hot D. Yes, this Tuesday will be live at 7 p.m. on YouTube reacting to the finale of the Acoly. And on Thursday, we'll be back for the boys' season for finale. Got a lot of work to do in that finale, as far as most fans of the boys are considered. Okay, got a lot of work to do. We're going to see how they end up this season.
Starting point is 00:05:05 I think right now that if the boys is able to make us care about the needs, next season. Maybe this season is something more than a 7.5 out of 10, but there's a lot of work to do with the boys in their finale. I mean, also, every Sunday. Really quick, do you think that they're going to release the finale of the boys after what happened this weekend? Oh, my God. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:05:28 I was wondering. Every Sunday, chocolate drones. Thank you. Thank you. Right up after the latest episode of Hot D-Ns. I tell you guys right now, if we start talking about it, it's going to be a whole theme. So it's a good question, though. Charles, I'll be honest with you.
Starting point is 00:05:42 The emergency reshoots. I'm just asking. I was wondering, I was like, is Amazon going to be like, hey, let's wait to week. It'd be so funny, you just go to here. The Amazon just pretends like the boys finale wasn't supposed to happen. They just move on. It's nuts. It's a nuts world.
Starting point is 00:06:01 More stuff happened this morning. Oh, boy. All right, anyway. Look, you guys, spoiler warning for House of the Dragon. No book spoilers. But if book spoilers come out, I don't know, guys, you're still with it. Really spoiler warning, Steve.
Starting point is 00:06:19 All right. We're getting ready to talk about How's at the Dragon. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right. We got to put you in the know about this episode. The only way to do that is the Midnight Manifest.
Starting point is 00:06:42 Only person who can do that is Chuck Wack and Chuck Thick away. All right, this is your midnight manifest for House of the Dragon, Regent, directed by Claire Kilner, written by Ty McHell. Kristen and Eamon returns to King's Landing where they parade a dragon's head through the streets while claiming Agon had a victorious battle, but the small folk don't give a shit. In fact, we want to get out. Agon is burnt to a crisp and hanging on for life, which is when Aeman swoops in during the council meeting to take his place and become Prince Regent. Jace flies to the phrase and in a bit of white boy diplomacy. gets their support in turn for his mother gifting the phrase Heron Hall at the end of the war.
Starting point is 00:07:20 Damon is still off that juice at Harenhall and the Riverfolk begin protesting his barbaric war crimes against the Brackens. And Jace and Reneera cook up a scheme to get faster children and forgotten Targaryen descendants to become their new dragon writers. And that's been your midnight manifest for this episode of House of the Dragon.
Starting point is 00:07:39 All right, let's get into it. Fellas, fellas, the guys, House of the Dragon is on a hot streak. Did this episode keep that hot streak going? I mean, I actually, I'm not saying it's better, but I enjoyed this episode more than I enjoyed the last. This is the type of episode that I think I come to the show for where I think they did a lot of good work
Starting point is 00:08:10 really showcasing in this episode how not only are all these characters fighting over nothing. But now you start seeing all the characters realizing that what they're fighting for is almost not going to be worth the price. And I think one of my favorite scenes in the entire episode was when Allison is in the small council meeting and she just loses the spot to, um, to agent. And you just realize, she's like, oh, I just built my cage again. and it's just it's dawning on her.
Starting point is 00:08:46 It's dawning on Kristen Cole what it means to have a war with these dragons. It's dawning on Renera, how stuck she is in this castle and how, honestly, no one in her counsel really thinks that she should even be in charge. Like, yes, they are behind her, but only because her father was like,
Starting point is 00:09:07 oh, I guess this is the person who should be my heir. So I thought this episode did a really, really good job of just situating where the conflict is, how dumb it is. And then, honestly, I kept laughing at all the small folk being like, I thought they were gods and the other guy. I thought that was good. And it was good, wasn't they? I think dragon meat tastes good.
Starting point is 00:09:29 That was crazy. I was actually, would you guys eat a little bit of the dragon? For sure. I bet it's very gaming. It's got to be, right? I mean, throw it on a grill. I mean, if you ain't got no food, dragon on them, menu, baby. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:43 They did, you know, this whole episode was about people trying to get that meat. We all, absolutely. You know, when there's not enough meat, you're going to run to the other place. When there's, when the meat, this is the thing. When there's, when the meat is too small, you're going to try to leave the castle. That was the whole lesson. Also, also, the meat won't save you. Allison is looking at Sir Kristen Cole.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Like, I thought the meat would save me and he's like, there's dragons now. The game's changed. Meat didn't save them. And then, you know, if the meat is not satisfying you, you see a dragon, you might try some strange meat. The whole thing is the meat. It's a fight over the meat. If you're offered a drink, you also might alter the meat up to your mom. Allison and Renea are now realizing that what don't they have, that they need to be taken seriously by the rest of these guys in their small council?
Starting point is 00:10:42 what don't they have, Charles? Stop. They all had a meat. Joe. In all serious is, no. There's a new section. Jomi, all right. We'll clear out.
Starting point is 00:10:52 Jomey. It's not clear out. It's not about being woke. It's about a song there. She's taking, yeah, yeah, you saw the trajectory. I could have believed he was going to take it there. That's crazy. I guess you could say that we're not.
Starting point is 00:11:08 I'm not. There's a scene. There's a scene in this episode. where the dude is actually saying it's funny as hell. We want me. We want me. That is true.
Starting point is 00:11:21 He just said that we want meat. But to be fair, and then the guards like, pause. They were like ladling out the rest of the food and they were picking the oranges or something. That looked nasty. And it was like moldy and shit. And I'm like, dog, I'd be the one chair.
Starting point is 00:11:34 Like, we want me. It's down bad in Kingsland. Can I say something about that scene? Can I say something about that scene? And I want to hear what the men boys have to say. That's a brilliant little scene. And for any of the, any writers out there, young writers, I'm giving fucking advice to young writers,
Starting point is 00:11:54 like I have six Academy Awards. You have one. That scene was brilliant visual storytelling. Yes. We go from watching people at the top of the social class in Westrose, eat fuck argue
Starting point is 00:12:14 that's what the show is about that's what the show is about right every time they have a meal I mean the meals don't look good because they ain't got no stoves but or or air fryers or nothing the meat always looks
Starting point is 00:12:25 fool look raw they you know whatever but they all eat well and you see the ramifications of their petty squabbling in the fact that these people this woman is picking through
Starting point is 00:12:39 oranges and she has to pick the least moldy orange. Yeah. And you see, you see how this is actually affecting people's lives, all of this, this conflict and divisiveness at the top. Yeah. It kind of, if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense in the world. You know what I mean? It's like a great scene.
Starting point is 00:13:02 You didn't have to talk about it. You could just see it. Two quick shots and you see how the people are living. It was fantastic. Men, boys, what did you guys think about the episode? I thought it was a great episode of TV. Gamer Thrones does this thing usually where the big battle episode is like the penultimate or something. So it's never the last thing you see is like a big battle.
Starting point is 00:13:23 And so the episode following it usually like has some emotional and emotional and story beats that we really need to see. And I thought this episode did a really good job of letting all the stuff play out between Coralus, between Allison, then AIMON, everybody who was affected by that battle had to wreck him with something this week. And I thought it did a really good job of Lenderstone. Like kind of not like super reset, but like Lain and Berto, this is different. There are dragons involved now.
Starting point is 00:13:51 It's real. Because it's very easy to have an episode like the prior one, big dragon battle, massive siege. The war's kicked off. Okay, now we're off to the races. But instead, this is a bit more of a like, okay, we hit you with something big and then we dial it back to see
Starting point is 00:14:06 just how, what the world thinks about something as big as, hey, dragons can be killed. Kings Landing is in shambles right now because of this blockade. Everybody is in, like, is destitute.
Starting point is 00:14:22 And now we've got to, like, kind of, like, start to realign ourselves on the board for the high towers to make sure that they have, like, the best sort of, like, position in their high console. Allison's an absolute shambles with trying to reassign both A-Gon and
Starting point is 00:14:39 or A-Mond, excuse me, and and have to deal with like the actual like repercussions of what she's done and all of this mistake, this mistake that she's made and I think that that scene in the small council room is probably the
Starting point is 00:14:54 highlight scene of this episode because again, like you say that she reassembles her cage once again because the like the theme of like sexism and misogyny in Kings in Westeros is like very apparent here. And I would say that that's kind of like
Starting point is 00:15:10 the reassembling of like, okay, now once war happens, this is where men and the people that like adhere to what they do really start to suffer. And we see that on screen the entire episode. I think it's great. It's very funny.
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Starting point is 00:16:53 The various characters, it starts dawning on them. They're like, Doug, what am I going to say to the motherfucker with the biggest dragon in the room? It's like, Alta, it's like, well, I was Queen Regent. And like, like, so Kristen Cole is like, bro, I said, saw that dragon in action, bro. It's whatever Damon says. And it's similar with the blacks where it's like, it dawns on them.
Starting point is 00:17:14 They're like, how are we going to defeat this big ass dragon? They're like, what if we just had more dragons? And I was like, oh, it's, it was interesting in this episode where this episode keeps returning back to the fact that all of these people have been living in peacetime. So now they're just getting to the point where they're just like, well, if we want to win this war, either we have to have the biggest nuke or we have to have the most nukes.
Starting point is 00:17:39 And I thought it did a very, very good job of, like, the people in power are going to be the ones who have the dragons. And unfortunately, pretty much everybody but Aman does not realize what that's going to entail for the small folk. I thought there were two super interesting things that happened in the episode. That's very well said by all of you guys.
Starting point is 00:18:03 I think there are two super interesting things that happened in the episode that, like, changed the show or change the future of Westrose. So one is from the real world, and then one is from other comic book lands. So, you know, Superman lands on Earth, and he starts to save people, he's a hero. Like Superman, you guys have heard of him before.
Starting point is 00:18:25 Cal L. From the planet Krypton, from the Spar, El. Okay, so two things happen. One thing after the other. The first thing that happens is, once Superman is saving the world, right? Humans, they compete. They compete for the love and good graces of Superman. That's the first thing that's going to happen. Superman is an incredibly powerful being. They're going to look at him and they're going to go, the best place to be is closer to Superman.
Starting point is 00:18:57 On the good side of Superman. Let's see how we can work with Superman. A lot of people are going to do that. Then kryptonite is invented or it's found. You know that he has a weakness. Then one of the people are going to do, at least some of them. They're now going to compete for the kryptonite. Like at first, you're going to compete for the love and the warmth and the protection of the supreme being. But once you figure out that you can kill it, you are now going to compete to be the person who can do that. the moment they see the dragon being paraded
Starting point is 00:19:37 through King's Landing, it fundamentally changes the psyche of the people. It is such, it is maybe from what we've seen on screen, the biggest miscalculation by the Targaryen dynasty ever. It ended
Starting point is 00:19:58 their perception as these ethereal, eternal, special, godlike beings who are right next to these creatures who maintain the order of all of Westeros. It just made them something else to kill. That is the beginning of the end of the Targaryian dynasty right there, when you take away what the people think it's supposed to be. We see that all the time. like Nixon lies and people go, wait a minute, the president,
Starting point is 00:20:33 hey, what, what? Like the president is a criminal. I mean, we probably thought that they were doing some shady stuff, but the president is actually a criminal. He's not like the greatest and best of amongst us. And then that changes the presidency. People go, oh my God, what the hell now? These guys up there got lies, whatever's going on.
Starting point is 00:20:52 And now, you know, the fucking mussels off the hot dog or whatever. But and the second thing that happened, is, you know, I remember back in the real world where when there was talk about women in combat, back in the day, when it was talk about women in combat, whether or not women should want to be able to be in the military, in combat situations, not in the military, but in combat situations. And it was all of these platitudes, we had all these ladies that want to go out and fight for their country, but there are all these platitudes as to why. why they couldn't. There were these psychological platitudes that they would say, like, they would say, hey, we don't know how male soldiers are going to react to seeing women, like, blown apart or killed in action. We don't know how they're going to respond to that. They might look at it and think that it's, it might remind them of their mothers or their sisters or their wives or whatever, right? Like, we don't know how they're going to respond to that. We also don't know how if you put men and women, out there in battle together in situations that are dire or whatever if the women will be saved from the men. And the entire argument for a lot of women was organized around how men would react
Starting point is 00:22:12 to women being in battle. That was the way that it was the does zone. And it just couldn't be equal. It couldn't be equal if you looked at it that way. By the way, the women were saying, well, look, this hampers us, one of the arguments, this hampers us from rising up in the military, because, hey, if we can't be a part of combat, then a lot of times that's when you get promoted because of what you've done in combat situations or your commander, things like that. Now, all of that's changed now.
Starting point is 00:22:40 But remember these arguments being had in real time when they were still like, actually, I don't know anything about the military and the army or whatever, but I would assume that's changed. But all of these things were arguments that were being had in, and I watched these women say, both Allison and Ranera say, hey, look, if I nobody has any combat experience here if I'm not allowed to show my combat experience I'll never gain any combat experience and the fact that there is something that I can't change is the fact that I'm a woman you guys are using your malness and weaponizing that against me and the frustration that they both felt in this situation connected those two characters and the show works best with those characters are them
Starting point is 00:23:26 thematic sisters, thematic twins on different sides of a dividing line. And the reason why I think this episode is so strong is because it's one of the strongest episodes that shows that these two women are essentially in the same position. They're surrounded by a bunch of subpar meat. Very true. Yeah, it's like there are two sides of the same coin, right? where we have the we have the what you're talking about where both of them are like the misogyny's rampant this week right alicent is like yo i think i should be queen region again i have the experience
Starting point is 00:24:05 like actually draggers are involved it's no place for a woman same thing for rinerer right if somebody needs to go fight i need to go fight they're like actually sit down pretty late it don't worry about it crazy right but then you see them with their with their kids you know and how how different Allison is from Reneira. Where Reneer is like, you know, of course she wants to protect Jace. She wants Jace to, you know, Charlie lost one of her sons.
Starting point is 00:24:32 You know, she doesn't want Jace to sever the same fate. But when Jace is like, yo, we got to do something. Here's what I'm thinking. She's like, hmm, maybe this might be something we can do. Meanwhile, we saw last week, when Agon came to Allison with a problem,
Starting point is 00:24:49 she was like, actually, you're a loser. You always been a loser. don't do nothing, you suck. And it's interesting to see how both of those people, they've lived similar lives, they have the same problems, but they deal with them different ways. I mean, this episode was, I think,
Starting point is 00:25:05 the first time where I actually, like, felt for Ramira, and I liked her, because her talk with Jace before they come up with the plan, she comes off as, like, such a petulant child almost because Jace comes back with, like, Mom, look what I did. Like, I got, like I got us this big win.
Starting point is 00:25:23 And you can see that she's jealous. And she's jealous because because Jace is a teenager. He gets to run off and he gets to do the thing that she's wanted to do since she was a child. I can see it. I didn't quite read that
Starting point is 00:25:39 as jealousy. I think it seems as more as she's like, she's had a bad fucking day of a bunch of men undermining her at her own small council and then she can't even get a hold on her son wanting to go off and do some things without her permission. Yeah, but think about what her son gets. I know, I understand that.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Which she has not gotten. The thing I think that sucks for her is that like, Reneira has gotten almost everything she's wanted. Even if she's not on the Iron Throne, she has a council. People are listening to her. But because she's a woman, she can't do the thing that Jace can do,
Starting point is 00:26:12 which is like, I'm not going to listen to my mom. I'm a hop on my dragon. Basically, Jase is just kind of like, he kind of scares them. them into a submission a little bit. Like, there is a one point. He's a little diplomatic about it. You guys are worried about Vagar
Starting point is 00:26:25 with my dragon right there. And I saw that moment where it's like, it's not. It was cold to me. Yeah, Jason's great. I came away with this episode being and it's interesting, Charles. That's a very interesting.
Starting point is 00:26:37 I didn't read it as jealousy, but now that you say that, I'm thinking, maybe it was. I got a question for all of y'all. Does Jace need more minutes? Yes. Oh, geez. No, this is why he doesn't need more minutes.
Starting point is 00:26:48 Because the minute he doesn't need more minutes, because the minute he got like, he was like more wine and you realize he's about to close the deal. I'm like, oh, this motherfuck's got. Like, I was like, he's too good at his job. He's too affected. Yeah. He was running certain. Because there's a thing too. I was like, is Chase just a pretty boy? Or does he got some like, some thinking skills? And when he came up with the dragon plan, he's like, oh, we got a bunch of dragons. Why don't we just get some dragon writers? I'm like, damn, this boy too good at his job, man. We know this. Not long for this world. If you're good at your job, but no, like, I do think, I don't think she was like jealous in terms like,
Starting point is 00:27:20 yo, fuck my son. I more so thought it was like, oh, Jace is getting to be, is coming to his own, into his own as like potentially a war hero. Someone who gets to like fly off half cocked come back with this big win. And we haven't seen Reneer a win once,
Starting point is 00:27:38 like win this entire season. Sure. Yeah. She's strapped. Nah, Jay's been locked in. But do you think, but in this situation, his wins are her wins.
Starting point is 00:27:48 I guess there could have been a little jealousy But here's the thing She doesn't get more There's I think she wants In this episode I might be reading wrong I think she wants the glory Of being able to fly off in combat
Starting point is 00:28:02 Like her niece Like these other people And for the people to love her To build up this legend Which It's kind of the thing Where I'm just like That's the problem with Aiman
Starting point is 00:28:13 That's the problem with Agon That's the problem with a lot of these rulers Where I'm just like Do you want to be a ruler who's talking about taxes and how to feed the people? Or do you want to show that this is your divine right and you deserve to be this? Because it's like the council to me is not wrong.
Starting point is 00:28:28 If I'm going to be honest, Reneera, Agon, Aiman, what have any of these motherfuckers done to deserve leadership? They're not necessarily that good of leader. Well, that's, I mean, now we're getting into the whole breakdown of whether or not like this like bloodline thing is even worth the price of ruling, which is like, that's... I mean, too.
Starting point is 00:28:48 Take the anticipates of the point for the show. To what Van said earlier, there are two moments in this episode. This is why I liked it so much where the Targaryans miscalculate and you can tell. It's when they parade, they're dragging through the streets,
Starting point is 00:29:05 and it's when Jase and Ramira have the idea to basically go through the line to get more dragon riders. And I'm like, wait, you guys, the only thing that Targaryans have is your silver hair and this belief that you are divine rulers and that dragons are gods.
Starting point is 00:29:23 Now you've shown all the small folks that dragons aren't gods, they're just meat. And now you're saying, hey, you don't even have to have to have silver hair. You don't even have to be that close to the bloodline. You could be a bastard or anything and you can get on these dragons. And I'm like, oh, you got, like, this is how everything falls
Starting point is 00:29:40 because you guys aren't even propping up your own myth. They deluded the product. I said next week is going to be an episode of finding your roots and I think it's going to be really funny. I just be like, you are in fact one-fifth Targaryen. I mean, also it's- So this is my thing with the, this is my thing with the Dragon Riders. It depends on who they get to ride the dragon, right?
Starting point is 00:30:00 Okay. So much in life depends on who you let ride. Okay. Right? You don't want to just let anybody ride. You can't. Because that's how you end up, yeah, 18 years, you're in a bad situation, you know, send a video type of situation.
Starting point is 00:30:15 Jesus Christ. And so it all depends. If they go get, they were talking about tarleys and all of these other people. If you go get someone else from these great houses and you let them ride your dragon, you're all on it, ride it from the back. If you let them ride your dragon,
Starting point is 00:30:37 then what you're going to end up seeing is those houses weaponize. They got to get some bastards, man. they got to get some bastards and I tell you why if you get the bastards if you go find the bastards then you can bring the bastards
Starting point is 00:30:54 into your house because that's what the bastards want they want a name they want a wing of heron hall they want to be able to come to court but see if you go start spreading dragons around can you imagine afraid with a dragon
Starting point is 00:31:10 no can you want to never The dragon? You don't want to spray with a dragon. You don't want to, what's the, the, the, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, the, uh, the dragons of the, uh, the dragons are the ones with dragons. Oh, it's all. That's nuts.
Starting point is 00:31:25 You know what, you want to know what this is in mind. Alanister with a dragon. You don't want these people with the dragons. Like, you, that's not what you want, man. Is house black? It reminds me of them, like, they're doing that thing where they're going to the hood and they're propping up their little army table and they're like, you get a hell cat if you just come over to the blacks.
Starting point is 00:31:42 And I'm just like, like you just don't want to give anyone a hellcat. You know what I'm saying? You want to get? I'm just one. Like, they're going to the rest of the small ones. They're incentivizing. They're incentivizing.
Starting point is 00:31:54 They're like, yo, join our cause. You know, we get you a little Camaro. We get you a nice thing. We'll put you through college. It used to be a Camaro, man. Wow. Used to be a Camaro. Now we got to have a hell for Hellcat.
Starting point is 00:32:06 They must have changed. So they, they, they're spinning out there. They're spinning out there. hey man, I got this hellcat for you. I need you to go kill the ops. I guess. They're killed for less. What am I talking about?
Starting point is 00:32:19 They killed for less. Oh, what are you? I don't want to get off. I don't want to leave the Jay situation real quick because I want to move on because this was his coming out party. This was his, his, I remember that game. Austin Reeves were crazy. Oh, my God, Austin Reeves can play.
Starting point is 00:32:38 Like, this was his game. So Charles, real quick. You feel like this makes him a target. Jomi, you feel like this means that there's going to be a little bit more for him. What's the future of this character? This seemed to be the episode where he became her most trusted advisor. She can't trust anybody else. Nobody else respects her.
Starting point is 00:33:00 Nobody else is actually even willing to collaborate with her. Part of the reason why this happened is because he was actually willing to listen to her enough to agree to solve problems with her. which it doesn't seem like anybody else on her counsel was willing to do. So is this now the duo, is this the pick and roll duo of the blacks right here, Jason Renair now? I hope so. I mean, the thing that does scare me a little bit is like, I was like,
Starting point is 00:33:30 is this really a total win for Jace? Because at one point, he's sitting there and they bring up Damon. And he starts talking big shit about Dave. I'm like, Damon's trying to become a thing. They don't know that. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, they don't know that yet.
Starting point is 00:33:45 So like here's the thing, Jace, this wasn't a coming out episode for him. He did an amazing job. White boy diplomacy, at least now is working. Unfortunately, it's not working in our current reality.
Starting point is 00:33:57 But I was like, is this going to bite him in the ass? Because they promise it a lot of shit. Well, I mean, that they can't deliver. Well, it's a hair brain scheme for sure. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:34:06 He was like, we want hair and all. And he was like, cool, bend the knee. No, no, that was fine. I think as far as like,
Starting point is 00:34:12 finding the bastards of the illegitimate Targaryans. I'm like, this is a half court to a half court shot. He's promising hair and all, all this shit. I'm like, the river folks, they're not going to have that, but honestly, though, honestly though, it's like a promise in a war that's probably
Starting point is 00:34:29 going to be decimating a lot of people. Like, we'll reassess those promises after the fact. We're hearing Jace were laughing a little bit. I'm like, y'all evil because they're just like, this is like, this is fine, fine, whatever. We'll see what comes out at the other side of this. I do have to, I do have to, I see where Charles's coming from in the sense of every time somebody does something good, every time we're like, man, we don't absolutely hate this character, they're gone. And especially with Reneer because, like, that was Rainier's for the first four episodes.
Starting point is 00:34:58 Oh, yeah. With somebody she believed in somebody she was tight with. And she got got. So now Jace Philizzo's that role, oh, man, it's not looking good for our guy. Let's be honest. Wait, can I also? Well, I will say this. We did meet the bastard character from the tavern earlier.
Starting point is 00:35:16 It's kind of put it on the blueprint that there were bastards out there and people who might have the capability to ride dragons. I mean, it's, I don't know, it's interesting. I do think the Heron Hall bit was one of the more interesting things because we have to talk about Damon. Damon is on maybe the largest side quest in Game of Thrones history. Yeah. Have we seen a side quest like this in the past?
Starting point is 00:35:48 Damon has, Damon is, just think about it. I mean, I could be wrong. Well, I'm thinking like, Damon is Aria going to Assassin school?
Starting point is 00:35:57 But I mean, like, a huge side quest. You're right. Huge side quest. Think of some other ones. Because I was thinking, this is a side quest like a motherfucker. Brand took a side quest so crazy
Starting point is 00:36:09 he didn't show up for a season. He played his own video game. He got people calling him king. Like, he's dreaming of having sex with his mom. They finally went too far. You think that's too far? That was too far. That was a moment. Here's my question about that scene.
Starting point is 00:36:23 Here's my question about that scene real quick. So, like, you see that hallucination. Oh my God, it's my mom. And then it's that weird, like, dream coming out of a space thing where, like, you see our guy being like, is the duck not to your liking? and then like he looks back, looks in front, and then it's not his mom, and he's in bed.
Starting point is 00:36:39 I'm like, what was he doing to the duck before? Was he eating the duck? Because it's confusing because it's like, okay, he sees himself in his bed, but then he's like coming out of trance. To be, I mean, we don't know. He was eating his mom. I know that.
Starting point is 00:36:52 He was eating his mom. That duck, that duck was supposed to represent his mother's vagina. Okay. Okay. And so the, like, I mean, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:37:02 I'm going to be honest with you guys. I don't know why. But that was the limit. To be fair, though, you weren't, you didn't know that until the limit. That was the limit. That's kind of crazy. We said a lot of that. We can reverse or we can rewind.
Starting point is 00:37:14 But it was only a couple weeks ago where you were just like, Jomi, you and my mom, you know, daily, like having nice Dalyans. Do you see? It's not his mom, though. So, and I hate to say this. But Charles, are you able to see the difference between Jomi having sex with my mom? and me having sex with her. Are you able to make a distinction?
Starting point is 00:37:38 They're very closely related. They're cousins. They're cousins and I'm just like, are you fucking nuts? Are you fucking nuts? It's not even, it's not related in any way shape or not.
Starting point is 00:37:51 I don't like it. You just say, we just, you just, you just pod. There's no way that you can eat. They're not cousins at all. Here's a deal. There's a lot of family fucking that goes on. But I'm watching the scene
Starting point is 00:38:06 I'm like I'm like That's his mom He's full on fucking his mom You didn't know that until she said it though Telling him stories about from his youth That was a lot man That was too much for me Also shout out
Starting point is 00:38:18 Shout out Talk to Thrones I didn't real Because like they They were saying that Damon was what Three years old when his mom passed away So it's also crazy that Damon was like I'm going to envision my mom as a bad bitch Like he's like
Starting point is 00:38:32 You know what I'm saying She doesn't know like that yet She doesn't look like that. Right. But also another great detail, like, from the books to this point. So it's not technically a spoiler if we're at this point in the books. It's told that Damon was immune to Alice Rivers' influence as a witch. And I love that.
Starting point is 00:38:49 And I think that's very funny because clearly Damon would never tell a soul about the shit that he experienced in Harrodhall. Would you tell somebody you had a dream of a v. another? No, of course not. But it's just like to think that, like, if the maister's ever asked him this or if anybody were telling him this, he'd just be like, how was your time at Heron Hall, David? He's like, totally fine, nothing happened, didn't dream about having sex with my mom,
Starting point is 00:39:09 totally normal person. I don't know who else Rivers is. And that specific scene too, you mentioned like the duck and the goose, whatever. And like, it's like this weird wide shot. It almost resembles like a sitcom in which like he looks,
Starting point is 00:39:22 goes actually, I'm not hungry. Yeah. I'm not going to eat, actually. Yeah, he puts the duck down. He puts the duck down. I'm good. Am I being a hater for feeling like
Starting point is 00:39:32 sideline him. on this side quest. I know maybe story-wise it makes sense, but it's kind of a bummer because I'm just like, we got A-man, like, putting in work, being very charismatic on one side,
Starting point is 00:39:46 and the blacks for the longest time. Jay didn't do shit this episode, it would be almost a lot for them. Like, do we need Damon to start being a little bit more active? Nah, he's the thing. Damon activity is different. Like, he killed a kid in the first one.
Starting point is 00:40:01 Right. First episode, right? You don't want him doing too much. When he gets active, he gets active. It seemed like he was killing kids this episode. Technically, yes. Well, you got to let him catch up is the thing. Sure.
Starting point is 00:40:16 So you got to let Amon catch up. So remember the first season where Amon looks like he's ready to pop shit and Damon steps up and he goes, oh, my boy, are you ready for it? And Amon just looks past him like, no, I'm not quite ready to this pop up. He's like, in a minute. He's not yet. So Damon's side quest is about us learning a little bit more about like, you know, a character that's been described about as the most dangerous man in Westeros, his motivations and all of that.
Starting point is 00:40:48 And it's also about like minimizing him, bringing him back down the earth a little bit because you see some of the mistakes that he's making and some of his weaknesses. Because eventually what you have to have is, in my opinion, what you have to have is, a dynamic where those characters are seen as on equal footing of dangerousness and capability. So when they face off, you feel like it's a 50-50. Right now, you know that it's not. You know that Aiman has been scared of Damon in the past and then Damon is the big swinging dick of the entire deal. But as he becomes a little bit more unsure of himself, as he makes some mistakes, you start to see maybe a little impotence there. And then at the same time, Amon is building his strength,
Starting point is 00:41:35 consolidating the group around him and his power. And so when they face off, it'll be like one guy on the upswing, one guy maybe a little bit on the down swing, so maybe you won't know who's going to win. So I think that's probably what they're, while we're saying a little bit of that. So Reneer is sending one of the council members to Damon. Yes.
Starting point is 00:41:55 My fucking asshole, Alfred. Yeah, he's been. He's been worse. I mean, they've all been dicks, but he's not. He's not been great. He's the worst. Yeah, Sir, Alfred's not been great. The fairer sex, that dude?
Starting point is 00:42:04 When he goes to Harringholm and he sees Damon calling himself King and order the people around. It's going to be some funny shit. Like, when he, like, he can't call her in there, but he says that Raven like, yeah, we're in there. You're not going to believe this. Yeah, you know, you can't believe this one. He's going to believe this, bro. I can't imagine that's going to go down well. No.
Starting point is 00:42:23 I mean, the funniest part of the entire, like, I was just like, oh, Damon really is not great at this is where he's like, yo, call me King. and they're like King Regent and he's like not allowed that's No no no no Quick quick Quick side about the actual funniest thing was when he's like Okay Ben the need of me as king or your house birds
Starting point is 00:42:43 And they're like now we choose fire And you have that amazing shot Great shot Of like that Gratzy's lowering his head And then it's an immediate cut To him just like sat on a stone And be like man
Starting point is 00:42:56 I didn't think they had it in him I didn't think they'd be willing to die Which would have been the funniest thing ever be actually killed them. You imagine how much of a G you got to be to choose getting burned by a dragon. Turn your back on a dragon. We've seen somebody choose getting burned by a dragon. In the moment, I'm not so sure as many things.
Starting point is 00:43:16 And I'm going to be like, yeah, let the dragon burn me. Like, we've seen people, we said a dude get burned by a dragon with his son in the other show. Like, when that happened, I was like, man, these niggas really take things old seriously. Yeah, because in the moment, In a moment, I'd have been like, ah, you got it. Well, somebody was that, that was the Blackins, right? Yeah, the Brackens.
Starting point is 00:43:36 Here's the thing I loved about that scene where it was just like, it was such a G move where you realize the Blackwoods and the Brackens are so fucking insane. They're just like, I'd rather be burnt to lie. And Damon was like, look, I need this. I need, you. I need some people with a lot like that.
Starting point is 00:43:53 They match my freak. Let's get it. Come on. Need that in my arm. All right. Hey, I don't say this. About the, about the guy. that's going,
Starting point is 00:44:02 was it, Sir Alfred? Yes. About Sir Alfred that's headed over to, to Damon, he might. He might. Just side with Dave. He might see the vision with Damon?
Starting point is 00:44:14 Yeah, he might be all, like whatever, whatever this guy's calling himself the king, or he might get there, and Damon has all of the things that Renner doesn't have in terms of the way he looks at world. Daman is a guy he got to the
Starting point is 00:44:32 meets, right? He's battle tested. He's gotten his hands bloody as much as they could have been bloody in this peacetime, but we've seen Damon Fire Award before. He might get to Heron Hall. Sending him to Heron Hall might have been precisely the wrong thing for her to do
Starting point is 00:44:48 if she is either trying to sideline him or bring him back into the bowl. He might get there and like what he sees. Man, that's tough. Man, I'm feeling for Reniro right now because imagine you send, you know, her and Damon obviously been beefing for a minute.
Starting point is 00:45:05 But then you're saying the other, like, somebody you've been beefed with too. Now they team up on you and they're like, hey, kind of. And also, if she actually says that message, it's like, let's continue our last conversation. Oh, the one where like we screamed at each other and you said you wouldn't actually
Starting point is 00:45:19 address me as queen and tell the fuck up and he's like, oh, you're bringing this guy involved in now? I'm going to stay in Harold. Is Damon on for this world? Because now the more I think about it, you are calling himself king you know what I'm saying? You have an ayahuasca retreat to the witch.
Starting point is 00:45:33 There's a lot of dip on the chip. The witch said you, she said you dying here, so. That's also, that's true, right? You didn't know your mom. Like, I can't, I, there's no scenario where Reneira finds out he's calling himself king
Starting point is 00:45:47 and she's like, all right, cool. I'm gonna let that slide, right? It's just not happening. I don't know if she kills him or if like something happens we get another battle in episode eight or whatever, but I can't, there's no sense.
Starting point is 00:45:59 scenario where Rainera finds out he's been out there, it's not King Consort, it's not King Rageant, I'm the King, you bend the need to me. There's no way she finds out he's been out there doing that, and he like lives just tell the time. This is the Targaryen
Starting point is 00:46:16 way I feel like the Game of Thrones way of just like he was out in Vegas, some shit happened, you know what I'm saying? Like I was calling myself King. I was having dreams of sex with my mom and she's just like, boy get in the house. Like, you know, I think there's a way back.
Starting point is 00:46:31 It's like a boy strip boy to Miami. Got a little too loose. Yeah. You went on, do not disturb. Man, what kind of edible was David? Well, I mean, it's the biggest thing about it is that she needs them. Need, in situations like this, need trumps everything. You ever seen the college football team?
Starting point is 00:46:49 One kid goes late to class and the coach goes, hey, you're late to class. All right. We have, we graduate champions here at this. school, you're off the team. You're off the team. They don't tell you that guy's a walk-on. And then the coach gives a press conference. We don't put up with motherfuckers
Starting point is 00:47:09 being laid around here. Okay? We don't, that's not what we do. We graduate champions and everybody goes to class and we all got to go class three-piece suits and we study and we do great things. Then the star quarterback beats up four policemen,
Starting point is 00:47:25 gets five DUIs, and the coach goes, kid just needs a chance kid needs a chance if I turn my back on this kid then what's going to happen? Who else? Who else?
Starting point is 00:47:37 Yeah. That's what you guys are wanting to. We're just going to give up on you? I'm just going to give up on the kid. If I turn my back on the kid right now, what happens? You think it's going to get better? You think it's going to get better?
Starting point is 00:47:50 That's Damon. Damon is just star quarter. Right? Damon is the one. Damon can go off and do something. He can do his Rodman, Trist from, yeah. Like, you know, Damon could go off.
Starting point is 00:48:01 Damon is like, yo, what we're going to do. We're going to bring this kid back into the program. We're going to put our arms around him. We're going to use our arms not to push him away, but to pull him closely. Right, right, right. That's what happens with him. They're going to make sure Damien got, you know, he don't have to go and do some community services. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:19 No, he's putting in hours for sure when he gets back better than me. But Damon is going to be all right. He's number one in NIL earned. He's going to be strong. That's why I think she sent Sir Al. Because Sir Al is like, have I done anything to decide if you? Why are you making me go to attention?
Starting point is 00:48:34 No, no, no. That's an act. Because she's trying to tell Sir Al's going to go to Heron Hall. It's going to be cold. He's going to be eating nasty food. He's going to get back. And he's like, hey, yo, I'm real sorry for how I was acting.
Starting point is 00:48:48 Hey, to be fair, though, not to be fair, but that that dude did not apologize for talking crazy to her. again. Renira's like, hey, listen, I might have been wrong. I needed to be a little bit about that action a bit more. The fact that you might have been right when it comes to responding after Rook's rest. I get it. Like, that could have been like a squashing of the beef moment, but he's like, I'm not sorry for shit.
Starting point is 00:49:10 All right, here's the thing. I don't like Sir Al sucks. But at a certain point, Renera, like, you got to show me that you're a leader. You got to start making decisions. Oh, Charles. Or you're just going to have motherfuckers popping off like that. Right. I guess this agree.
Starting point is 00:49:24 Charles is not about to beat the allegation. No. He looked at her and said the gentler sex. Yeah. And you're just going to let that slide. You know what we're near should have done? She looked back at him and been like, she looked back at him and been like, you ain't been in no battles either. Like what?
Starting point is 00:49:40 Like, you ain't won nothing. You can't. You can't snap back at that point. The minute he said that gentler sex shit, he should be like, hey, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get him. Get him out of you. Yeah. Hey, oh, Syrac, man.
Starting point is 00:49:53 I don't understand why they don't just put people to death. I would put him to death. He's at the jail. He's at the jail. He's like, eh, put him in the dragon tape for five minutes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:02 Yeah. Bro, like, I'm like, when I'm looking at, uh, that agon and we haven't talked about, we have to talk about Aegon.
Starting point is 00:50:10 Damn, Aagon. Man, that sucks. It's tough. That's not that bad. It's not that bad. He'd be I.
Starting point is 00:50:15 Agon and Aiman a couple of episodes ago. I'm like, yo, I know you my little brother and stuff. I'll put you to the, in front of the whole king. Like,
Starting point is 00:50:25 I said it before, I will have you whipped. I have no, if I was the king, you come in me like that, you'll get whipped in front of the whole king. There's people talk to the,
Starting point is 00:50:34 man, then, that's interesting narrative. That's an interesting narrative. Does we not say the words, I would have them whipped on this shit? That's crazy. No.
Starting point is 00:50:43 That's nuts. I will say it. It's, look, we survived it. It's, what? No,
Starting point is 00:50:50 no. No. Hey man, come on, man. If I was going to be dropping in like a SWAT team right now. If I ever get power, they'll definitely be whippings. All right. Like, it's, I'm just being for real. Like, because it's a, to me, okay, not in this work, not in the real world.
Starting point is 00:51:10 I should say. I'm not for whipping anyone in the real world. In Westeros then? In Westeros. In Westero's? You want to be a slave master whipping people in Westeros? In Westeros, I would definitely have people whipped. What?
Starting point is 00:51:21 For sure. Because I don't want to kill them. I just want to subjugate them. Think about the Westeros. If you get a whipping, you get off easy. They don't got antibiotics out there. So you might get an infection or something. You know, yeah, it's going to be bad.
Starting point is 00:51:37 I got to be real. Agon was like laying up in the bed and they were putting the wet cabbage on them. I'm like, that cabbage ain't too shit. Is this the non-expired cabbage, by the way? What's the shelf life? The cabbage in Westroos. They're peeling the metal. off his skin, bro.
Starting point is 00:51:53 That was that. I put my food down after that. Is he alive? He's breathing for now. He's cooked. He's literally cooked. Don't do that. Don't give him hope.
Starting point is 00:52:03 So this is what, this is the thing that I, Allison, don't try to be a mother now. That's what I'm saying. It was, man, when he was like mommy,
Starting point is 00:52:14 like that was really sad. That was sad. That really hurt. That hurt, man. It was, it was sad. The whole thing was sad. It's,
Starting point is 00:52:22 It's sad because she looks, because no one on the show really refers to people by their kin name. Like, you can tell in the show when someone is looking at someone, someone wants to show love to someone, because they refer to them in the way that they're related. Like when he goes, I love my grandson. Right.
Starting point is 00:52:47 When the kid, I think he was the Tully kid, was saying, I love my grandson. He looks at him as his grandfather. In this episode, when Corliss is talking to his granddaughter, they're talking as granddaughter and grandfather, right? He looks at her, he gives her the whole thing. She says, I don't want this dumb-ass kingdom. She's like, I'm not about to sit here.
Starting point is 00:53:09 Like, you're about to give me this kingdom. I don't want this dumb-ass kingdom. Wait, was that a little bit? Was that a little foul, though? Because I was just like, I was like, damn, you're choosing the white side of the family? That's crazy. You don't know, no, you don't give me the kingdom when it's at its lowest point. Also, would you rather fly dragons or sell ships?
Starting point is 00:53:29 So, here's the thing. Honestly, I kind of dig the living life as a sailor and just like coming back to my house. Yeah, I'm like, here's the thing that Targaryens after after them, I'm like, I might have to ride with the ship. The ship. Seems chill, man. I dig it. Give me toothless. We ride at dawn.
Starting point is 00:53:47 No, man. We ride at dawn. Also, also, come on. I mean, no, it's kind of, it's like if somebody tried to give you Paramount, now, I don't want it now. I got Paramount in 1997. Actually, give me Paramount. I'll take Paramount. It's a distressed asset.
Starting point is 00:54:03 Renew Star Trekstar Redera. Vernara also been treating them, you know, like, so like, I'm like, she's like, yeah, I'm a Targaryen, bitch. I was just like, hey, yo, the way things are happening for the blacks right now, I don't, I would have said. The blacks or Team Black? Both. I would have just said, I'd be like, hey, yo, grandfather, how about you just, we'll put this conversation to the side. I'm not saying yes, but I'm not saying no. Well, I mean, frankly, like, we're joking right now, but she's like, I'm a fire and blood, not of Salt and C.
Starting point is 00:54:36 Now he's got to go back to all that out and be like, look, I ain't really got no other options, my boy. You got to tell your bad. You got to tell you. You will reluctantly inherit this amazing kingdom. I don't know what to tell you, buddy. You know, I wasn't there for you. You know, I did give you, you did save my life. No, it's just like, he's got to go to Allen and be like, look, I know I wasn't there at all.
Starting point is 00:54:56 And you did save my life. And I rewarded you by doing absolutely nothing about it. So, but I do need you to take up my name and my lineage and all of my resources going forward. You are the next person in line. So, come on. Let's go to. That's a come up. I mean, that is a come up.
Starting point is 00:55:13 But you probably should like get to know your son. Allen's like John Snow in season eight. I don't want it. Alan's entire thing is like he doesn't want to be involved. Like I think he's got an idea of like who his dad is, but he's just like, nah, I'm out of here. I don't want any of these problems. But Corliss at this point has nobody else.
Starting point is 00:55:30 So he has to like figure out a way to make, make his, make his bastard son come back until the fall with him. So is he interesting to see what that looks like? Are we back in black? Because I was watching this episode and I got some inklings where I'm like, the black people on this show. might start having some shit to do. Corlis, king of it.
Starting point is 00:55:50 Like, he's about to be the hand of the king. That's right. You know what I'm saying? Alan is about to inherit, you know, this kingdom. Bela getting her shit off. She's like, pop, pop, pop, pop. I was like, the black, like, the black characters are starting to cook a little bit. Well, every time we come up, though,
Starting point is 00:56:07 some happen. So they're in the Erie. And the Aaron, whichever Aaron, I can't remember what her name is at the moment. And she's like, yo, y'all gave me two small dragons raina's like yo we gave you two dragons you didn't say to size all that and then she's like sorry about your grandmother by the way rain is like this is this is how i find out this is this is how you're going to do me i felt for reina right there i was like no raina they're not giving they're not giving rena anything to see something it's tough you know rain has nothing to do
Starting point is 00:56:37 like the the the the the the the couple of things number one i do wonder can that black character the ball-headed guy can he ride the dragon Well, I guess, yeah, he can. Maybe. Maybe he's one of the guys. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe he's like, what?
Starting point is 00:56:56 I'm telling you straight up, it's going to be a new era of Game of Thrones if you got a ballhead black guy. That's a new era of the show. How will you personally feel? Samuel L. Jackson, be careful, Steve. Samuel L. Jackson. Like a Samuel, how would he just don't ask no questions, all right? be careful Samuel Jackson up there on top of the drag
Starting point is 00:57:18 will be crazy especially if he grow his shit out just a little bit to like a Mohawk Wait what ball What ball-headed black people Would we want to ride dragons? I would want Charles Barkley to ride a dragon Can you imagine?
Starting point is 00:57:29 Charles Barkley Carotaghan Don't get him near San Antonio Samuel Jackson carotid drag That's a good one Michael Jordan Michael Jordan Nah Michael Jordan can't ride no dragon Michael Jordan absolutely
Starting point is 00:57:39 He's going to burn too many people up If you put Michael Jordan That's Damon Targary You're going to go And anybody at every that ever talk bad about him. He's just going to burn up. He's going to be mad assistant coaches
Starting point is 00:57:48 from college teams. He's just going to be mad. He's just burnt up. He's like, why did the assistant coach of Creighton get burnt up by a dragon? It was like, oh, he was a team USA with Michael in 1984. He said Michael could go left.
Starting point is 00:58:02 Michael too vindictive. Who else? Oh, oh, Al Roker. Al Roker. That's a, wow. Wow. I know, I'm a Roker can't fucking ride a dragon. Can Dwayne the Rock Johnson
Starting point is 00:58:14 ride a dragon? Well. no that's more in the sewing of the scenes where it's like finding out dwayne the rock john no now now no hell now are we letting shemar war who shaman more no it's interesting what you're doing now you're going we just talking about black guys riding dragons and you want to you go into a lot of the can omar ebz ride a dragons well i see i see i see who you want to have the dragons jones omar epps i see i see who you want to have the dragons joey me you just name you want
Starting point is 00:58:45 Drake with a dragon. Black bald actors. Why do we name any bald-headed black women? Lupita? Oh, oh, Lupita's. Definitely.
Starting point is 00:58:58 With a dragon. Um, home girl from 911. I love her. You've seen that show. Okay. She got a dragon. But I've,
Starting point is 00:59:06 um, is that not? Uh, who are the balls? Uh, do they have to be bald though? Grace Jones. Grace Jones. Oh, my God. Grace Jones would for sure ride a drag.
Starting point is 00:59:15 She'd ride three. Or they have to have silver hair, and then we get into, like, Cisco riding a dragon. So it's like, eh. I mean, he literally unleashed the dragon. What are you talking about? That's true. That's true. Cisco getting on, honestly, I'll release the dragon.
Starting point is 00:59:29 Cynthia Erivo? How come Cisco hasn't been on Game of Thrones yet? They put Ed Shearing on that, bitch. This season, Cisco should have been. This is House of the Dragon. Cisco already reached the dragon. here, Cisco was on this shit way before anybody, bro.
Starting point is 00:59:49 He was doing backflips in front of Godzilla. No munches. Bro, I'll tell you, bro, house of the dragon, I'm telling you right now. Put Cisco on the show, man. Yes.
Starting point is 01:00:00 You know how hot it was in the streets when Ed Sher was on that thing, bro. That was like, no, if you, I'll be forgiven. You got to do it better, but.
Starting point is 01:00:09 No, if they put Cisco on a dragon, this will be better than game. Yes. Like, legitimate. All will be forgiven for the final season who came with us. Right. It's a scene
Starting point is 01:00:20 where I'm going to set the scene. Somebody is talking to Cisco, right? His name could actually be Cisco. That works. Somebody is talking to Cisco. And they're getting, they're mad at him, right? They're going to talk and shit to him.
Starting point is 01:00:35 And what does Cisco say? Y'all niggas gonna make me unleash the dragon. And they're like, he just comes out. But y'all niggas gonna make me Unleased the dragon. I know you don't really want to unleash the dragon. And then you really say, hey, yeah, yeah. He comes down with the dragon.
Starting point is 01:00:52 As he's, so breathing fire on everyone, Unleashed the dragon is playing. Cisco got to be on this. How have we not talked about this? Honestly, it is weird for us. He's not even wearing armor. He's just wearing a Montclair. I also want to see how he gets off the dragon
Starting point is 01:01:05 because you know Renera wasn't getting off the dragon in any swaggy way. You know Cisco is about to do some back. He's burning people to a Chris. He's just doing it. Jedi flips off and on the dragon. He lit off that bitch. He might slide down the,
Starting point is 01:01:20 or like Usher slide down the side of that motherfucker. Dude, like the moonwalk. Bro, Cisco, seriously, I'm gonna be honest with you. They put air sharing on this bitch. Bro, a life for a life for a, bro, a son for a son, man. Like, we need, we, if we don't get Cisco on House of the Dragon,
Starting point is 01:01:44 at some point, I'm a wonder, really what's going on with the creatives of this show, man. They put air sharing on this beach. We want Cisco. That's the trade off. They had Ed Shearing. We got to have Cisco. Let's start that change.
Starting point is 01:01:56 That's just in the world. We can't get Cynthia Revo in there? Would you rather have Cynthia Revo or Cisco? Cisco. I mean, Cisco's funnier. I'm going to be honest with you. I love Cynthia. And Cynthia, Cynthia got too much on her plate.
Starting point is 01:02:09 Cisco needs this. First of all, Cisco doesn't need it. He's chilling in Minnesota. He's doing his thing. He's still aware? He's chilling in Minnesota. Minneapolis. He lives in Minneapolis.
Starting point is 01:02:22 He lives in Minnesota? Yeah, yeah, he lives in Minneapolis. I don't realize that. Why does Cisco live in Minneapolis? How do you know where Cisco lives in 2024? Because I dated somebody who lived in Minneapolis. And they're like, we had, we had Cisco there and they had, oh, my God. When were you, all right, Steve?
Starting point is 01:02:39 You know, I wouldn't have volunteered that information, but now you got to answer questions. was it like years ago Was this a black woman? No. I'm looking this up. I'm looking this up. Steve, I'm going to be honest with you.
Starting point is 01:02:55 It's really weird. And I know that Cisco lives in Minneapolis? Oh, my God. Hey, I'm going to be real with you. Cisco in the suburbs. Singer now lives in Maple Grove. He moved there in 2015. I was about to call bullshit on you,
Starting point is 01:03:12 but Cisco lives in Minneapolis. Minnesota. I thought you was confused. I thought you was confusing him with Prince. I was about to get you the fuck. No. No, no.
Starting point is 01:03:23 I know the difference between Cisco and Prince. Please. Yeah. He said him and his girlfriend decided to move to Minnesota because it was an ideal spot to raise their children
Starting point is 01:03:35 with his family close by. Isn't that beautiful? Cisco. That's lovely. That's dope. Oh, what I was saying about Alisic is that she calls Agon her son.
Starting point is 01:03:46 Yeah. Yeah. I've seen her say Agon. I've seen her say Damon. I've seen her say Helena. She goes, my son. And you can tell, like, in the show, when they refer to somebody as, they don't talk about these people as their kin like their kid because they use the name. But you can tell in that situation that she was, her feelings were,
Starting point is 01:04:07 her maternal feelings, she was really shaken up by what happened to him because her son was in peril. Let me ask you, guys this. If Agon wakes up, which it seems like he's coming to, is he going to be like my brother burn me with fire? No. Is this a situation to where if he gets his faculties back?
Starting point is 01:04:30 Because Helena looks at Agon at the end and she says, was it worth it? Was it worth it? Is this a, so it seems like she knows something or she, maybe that question was more, maybe it was broader or more open-ended, who knows? But is Amon in a bad situation if Agon wakes up? I think yes.
Starting point is 01:04:55 I think what's interesting is that how many people in Kings Landing or at least on the council either know or suspect what happened. Yeah. Whereas, so Kristen Cole, we don't get a shot last episode of him looking up in the sky. but he knows, okay, something went wrong with this plan and Amen is at the center of this. I think he burned his brother to a crisp. Like, Allison is kind of like, like, he's a monster, he did this.
Starting point is 01:05:28 And then a home girl walks in with the visions, being like, yo, was it worth it? So even everybody on the council, I was reading almost fear, where a lot of the, they were backing up a lot of it with like, well, this is why you can't do it, Allison, and this is why Aymann can. And I was just like, oh, a lot of them are just afraid of just like,
Starting point is 01:05:48 Allison, you don't have a dragon. He does. And he almost killed his brother for this shit. What do you want us to say? Yeah. So I'm like, if Agon wakes up, if he doesn't have amnesia, I think it's going to get really awkward. Yeah, there's no way that conversation, it doesn't happen, I don't think.
Starting point is 01:06:06 Right. But to your point, everybody kind of is like, yeah, he, that's to do with Agar. We're not going to, we're not fin of for him. He wants to throw, he can have to throw. That's a lot. Yeah. He's pocking juice. Like, he got the, he got the boy. That's what I'm saying. And everybody's scared now.
Starting point is 01:06:22 What are we going to do? It's like, dang, he, he sound like he in charge to me. Side question, is juice just a cure of? Yes. Yeah. Have you seen the cure? You like juice, Steve? Yeah, it's a good movie.
Starting point is 01:06:35 I've seen the cure. Yeah, it's a good movie. Like, thematically, it's more or less just like. Let me ask you a question. Steve, I don't know if I've ever asked you this before. What's your favorite movie with an all-black cast? I think you have a. Steve, what is it?
Starting point is 01:06:51 Damn, all-black cast. It was, damn, don't say Johnson family vacation. No, I like Friday. Okay. Yeah, that's too easy, though. I need just like it. That's a little cliche. I wish you would have dipped it to the back a little bit.
Starting point is 01:07:08 You know what I'm saying? That's a layup. Okay, well, if you don't like the answer, I'm sorry. Friday, really? but like, you know what I'm saying? Hold on. That's what the fuck I'm talking about, Steve.
Starting point is 01:07:16 Drop your nuts. Yeah. Steve said, fuck it. I'm fucking with Friday. You guys are right to answer. I mean, I don't know who done on Friday. If you were to say, like, you know, don't be a medicine South Central. I'll drink juice and hood.
Starting point is 01:07:27 I'd be like, oh, Steve. What would you have wanted me to say? I'm just saying, like, it's like, crooklyn, you know, like. Sure. Just some little, little more substance. Belly? Belly's good, but I, what about what? I mean, you know, so.
Starting point is 01:07:41 I'm like, what? What? if I like Friday and genuinely think that I like it? Here's a thing, though. First of all, Friday has a ton of substance. But, like, it's comedy. Belly, actually, you have to be there for Belly. I can understand to where, so Bailey dropped. I was like 17, 18.
Starting point is 01:07:57 That was for us. If you watch Belly, it was, man. If you watch Belly for the first time and it's like 2024 and you're going back, I want to watch Belly, you're not going to like me. that was just more of the vibes for the time i'm not going to argue with belly over charles belly was if you were born between i'd say 1975 and nineteen eighty two then you think belly is pretty dope if you was born in 83 setting it three setting it four whatever you probably anytime before after you probably look at belly like what the fuck is this shit but for the time
Starting point is 01:08:39 that belly came out, belly was that motherfucking shit, bro. We was going crazy over belly, though. What about set it off? Were you guys going crazy if you set it off? Yeah, set it off as a classic. Yeah. See, that question made me uncomfortable. Why?
Starting point is 01:08:54 It was like, what about set it off? Was that well-received back in the day? Did you niggas like set it off? Steve, you just got to be like, what's your favorite movie with an all-white cat? cheaper bother does it okay but this is a good question
Starting point is 01:09:10 but this is a good question though what is um because I can easily say and I don't want to because I can easily say like a new hope right because these movies are white yeah but it's like the white meals
Starting point is 01:09:21 yeah what's the whitest movie with an awry that you guys love like the movie that's like less it's like not even halfway even in the culture at all what's the white culture the whitest movie Flubber
Starting point is 01:09:37 Flubber With Robin Williams Yeah Interesting I love that little green Dancing motherfucker like Yeah Wow
Starting point is 01:09:44 Flubber That's a pull No I remember Flubber Laughing bro Flubber's great That's something That's a deep The only reason why I say
Starting point is 01:09:55 But let me tell you something The only reason why I say Flubber Maybe doesn't count Is it's because it's for kids Okay So it has to be an adult movie Dope movie
Starting point is 01:10:05 Yeah like an adult movie, but like, it's just straight is white. Oh, oh, oh, top good. No, top, no. So they got sundown down the top which is crazy. It has not age well, but when it came out,
Starting point is 01:10:20 I would love in this shit. 500 days of summer is the whitest movie of all. Oh, that, bro. That's, yeah, that's money. That's in the top five for me. I was going to say that, but I was like, I got to go deeper. That's a good answer. I'll see any Joseph Gordon-Levin.
Starting point is 01:10:35 And he was a good show. When he was popping, oh man, he was, he was, that's a white's movie of all time. That was, like,
Starting point is 01:10:42 that was my king for a minute. That was, he was great. Oh my God. Nothing. Yeah, we get back to house. Johnny,
Starting point is 01:10:48 what I have a question, guys. No, no, real quick, we gotta finish this. Tommy, what's the widest movie? The whitest movie?
Starting point is 01:10:55 God, man, I mean, I said, it's probably, it is probably cheaper about a dozen, right?
Starting point is 01:11:00 Parent trap. Parent trap. Perot trap. Oh, actually. the low end parent pretty much anything from Lindsay Lohan from like,
Starting point is 01:11:08 oh my god, mean girls? Yeah. Oh shit. Yeah, that's a strong mean girls. Yeah. I love me so mean girls.
Starting point is 01:11:14 Yeah. Yeah. The thing is, it's so many for me. I'm trying to think. But wait, what's the, when I say white?
Starting point is 01:11:23 What's the one with the blue motherfucker and Frankie Munez and Amanda Biden? Oh, Big Fat liar. Big Fat liar. That's a great. That's a great.
Starting point is 01:11:30 That's a great. I just, I want to let you guys know some. I kind of feel like kids movies have to kind of be for everyone. That's the only reason why I say a kids movie. Like little, I kind of feel like a kids movie, it has to kind of be, because it's got to appeal to kids from everywhere.
Starting point is 01:11:46 Maybe they say fuck the black kids. I don't know. But I feel like the kids movie has to appeal to everyone. Like swingers, super white, don't even care about niggas in that world. Is there any black people in swingers? Maybe they, I think maybe there is. Maybe there is one in black people. Swingers is one.
Starting point is 01:12:04 I don't know There's just some With Reservoir dogs Count? They need black people Reservoir dogs Reservoir dogs There's no white people
Starting point is 01:12:14 There's no black people In Reservoir dogs That's a white really Yeah Yeah It's white It gets wider Because there's the N-word
Starting point is 01:12:22 In that bitch too Yeah It just makes it wider Those are really white problems I mean me too But there's no black people in there There needs no black people In reservoir
Starting point is 01:12:29 Can't be honest with you Yeah I'm proposing a draft a Midnight Boys draft of the whitest movies in the world. Best whiteest movies? Oh, man, it's happening.
Starting point is 01:12:48 Is it best whitest or just like white? It doesn't matter of quality. Culturally white, not quality. Culturally white. Okay. I'm talking about movies. I'm talking about movies that like, because look, this is what people,
Starting point is 01:13:04 I love diversity, but not all the time. Sometimes I want another. It's a crazy quote. I'm going to be honest. It's crazy. I love the rest. You know what? You know what?
Starting point is 01:13:15 This is a good all-white movie. You know, because we should have a rom-com section. Like, sleepless in Seattle, very white movie. White. Super white.
Starting point is 01:13:23 I like, I like diversity, but sometimes I just want to know like what the white people are doing. Now it's different with friends, seven, eight years in the middle of New York. No niggas whatsoever.
Starting point is 01:13:36 Whoa. There were some niggas in friends. Just not a lot. Shout out of Isha Tyler. After we made a big deal, you weren't around. Petitions were signed. After we made a big deal about it, they were like, why, why.
Starting point is 01:13:50 What's that a black girlfriend? Here you go. We'll put it on that big. But after we made a big deal. But sometimes you just want to watch a movie from a different culture and see what they are up to. What's going on with them? It don't have to be every time,
Starting point is 01:14:06 oh, my God. Like, Sleep is in Seattle. have been made better if there was a nigger named Malik in that bitch. It doesn't enhance the movies. You don't know that. You don't know that. It could have been, man. It could be special. It doesn't. It doesn't change the movie. This is a story about that could
Starting point is 01:14:20 only happen to white people. Here's the thing. A black kid is not picking up the phone just letting all the business out for the entire nation. Like, a black dad and if he does, and if he does, you're about to catch a weapon. How old is different if Kevin is black?
Starting point is 01:14:36 telling on my motherfucking business for. They were... What did Steve just say? I was like, Home Alone's a little different. If Kevin Black, if Steve was like, would they be in that house? Oh, all right.
Starting point is 01:14:56 Damn, Steve. Okay, we gotta get back. That's post credits. We got to get back. See, Steve? Steve, talk your shit. I love it. I have a question.
Starting point is 01:15:05 I have a Game of Thrones question. or how's the drag her question. And we're getting back to what we talked about in episode two with Kristen and Allison, you know, where I didn't understand what was going on. And I still don't at this point. Right. Because they have a conversation after the council meeting.
Starting point is 01:15:21 And Allison is like, yo, you're only good with me from night to a morning. And then Homeboy is like, yo, I'm trying to protect you. That's a weird conversation for people who don't like each other at all. Either they're the dumbest people alive or the evilest people. This is a very interesting turn for me because as much as Kristen Cole sucks, they're giving him some dimensionality here because he's clearly shook from everything that happened at Rook's Rest. And I was actually compelled by the line.
Starting point is 01:15:54 He was like, have I not spared you of this? We've given the Ward of the Dragons. A dragon rider should be in charge. And he's clearly shook enough to be like, listen, you, actually don't want any part of this. If you've seen what I've seen and I kind of don't even know if I want to be involved with this myself.
Starting point is 01:16:14 That's how I read that. And that's why, and I don't disagree with you, but that's why I was like, this is like one of the worst Allison episodes we've ever seen. Like, it's a terrible crash out. It speaks to her slight naivete when it comes to war. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:30 But also she's reckoning with the gravity of again, fucking up this prophecy and putting egg on here in the first place. And she can't wiggle her way around a better outcome. So she's grasping as straws? Yeah. But here's the thing.
Starting point is 01:16:48 It's tough. If this show teaches us anything, medieval situationships and modern situationships are the same exact thing. That's right. Because Allison, when my boy was riding out, she was basically like, all right, bye, you know, and then she starts going through it. She gets pregnant. She has the abortion.
Starting point is 01:17:10 She realized she fucked up with the prophecy. A homie comes back. He's coming back for war, PTSD. He's just like, dog, I can't even. I just can't even right now. And I'm just like that. This is what happened. And also, if I'm being real, Sir Kristen Cole is like,
Starting point is 01:17:23 I don't want to fucking marry into this family. Like, yo kid's crazy. One got burnt to a Chris and the other one's a mass murderer. Like, so I do think this is what happens when situation go wrong. And I feel for both of them. It's tough. It's tough. Allison, you, Allison is so green. Allison, you can tell she hasn't had that many, you know,
Starting point is 01:17:45 she hasn't had that many different relationships with a low-down-ass motherfucker. You think, I know, I know dudes that have sex with a girl on Wednesday and not let her into the club on Friday. It means nothing. Oh, my God. Wow. I'm serious. Like, it, it means, it means absolutely nothing. I literally know, yeah, I literally know dudes that, like, like promoters in L.A.
Starting point is 01:18:15 And I'm like, hey, man, didn't I just see you with her? And he's like, yeah, but look who she brought with her. Look at her friends. I'm like, bro, you need to let her in this bitch. Like, nah, man, I got business to think of him. I'm like, oh, my God. Jesus. So there's nothing.
Starting point is 01:18:29 And she thought, she's looking at him, like, they kind of had something. Yeah. I don't, you know, you, you ain't been on these streets enough, man. I, I don't know if it's more of us speaking to, like, any sort of actual affection, but I, even it's more of like political capital where you're like, hey, we've been having sex on the low for a minute and you're not even going to stand up for me in a council for people for people like that. Like, yeah, yeah, why would you, you know, bring the light, would you be keeping in private? It's kind of crazy. It's kind of crazy for him to go stand up for Allison out of nowhere. No, absolutely. And it speaks to like how kind of out of. of place she is. Yeah. In this. And she even had that homeowner moment where all the,
Starting point is 01:19:07 everything's like getting. I love that moment. Like that was a great shot because like it doesn't matter what anybody's saying. It's just like it all just sinking in that nothing is working. Yeah. I mean also if I'm gonna be real just if I'm Sir Kristen Cole, I'm like, your maniac son is now the Prince Regent. And if you got his own mommy fetish.
Starting point is 01:19:28 Yeah. He's going to hurt like the first son's on here. He's like, get this motherfucker out of here. Yeah. So if I'm so Kristen Cole, I'm sitting down. I'm shutting the fuck up. Like, dog. Like, what does she expect?
Starting point is 01:19:39 Hey, don't, don't call me. I'm going to call you. Just, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's making the block hot. Like, that's her, she's making the block hot. Yeah, no. Can't get caught up. You're going to get burned.
Starting point is 01:19:49 You find out that you've been messing with the Queen, the Queen Regent, and you got Vagar out there. It's over. It's cooked. So in a content season that has been pretty up and down, if we're being honest. I think we're all in agreement that hot D is cooking,
Starting point is 01:20:10 continues to cook. This episode didn't have any mid-air dragon battles. It didn't show anyone getting burned by any fire, but it was incredibly good and carried the momentum on of the season. And look, we don't know what's going to happen. We don't know where things are going. We don't know who's going to emerge.
Starting point is 01:20:27 We don't know who is going to be supplanted. But we are on the precipice of a lot of things. I think Corliss and his, I think we're going to see him become more important as the season continues. I know there are not too many episodes left, but there's some things to look forward to and some stuff to look back in the past and be like, how did this go and what's happening and what does this mean? So that's when the show is really, really, really, really, really good. All right, we're done. That's it. That's a wrap.
Starting point is 01:20:59 Nerd news. Let's do it. All right. nerd news time we got a new teaser trailer for one of the next Marvel outings after Deadpool and Wolverine that's right we got our first peak at captain america brave new world then you've seen the trailer over the weekend initial thoughts it was as good as it could have possibly been tough oh wow tough ouch tough yes can i say this i i don't know I mean, no, I mean, you know, you know, you think... It wasn't the reaction you want to see where I was just like,
Starting point is 01:21:40 they put Red Hulk at the end of that trailer like they was doing something and I was like, I don't really know if... You want to do... Hold on for a second. I want to make no bones about this. My reaction to the trailer is overwhelmingly positive. Okay. It's resoundingly positive.
Starting point is 01:21:57 Okay. Okay, that's a different message. Like, it... I'm not... I'm not mean to diminish the movie when I say that. What I'm saying is that this trailer, to me, looks like a movie that's striking all the right, I don't want to step on anybody else,
Starting point is 01:22:13 a movie that's striking all the right cords and hitting this story where I think it should be being hit right now. I'm not in any way saying I didn't enjoy this trailer. I thought it was a great trailer. I thought it was as good of a first look as it could have possibly been. I mean that sincerely. Yeah, no, I watched the trailer, 6 a.m. I was tired and it perked me up. I was like, oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:22:36 It's kind of like had like, you know, I don't want to, they're not cosplay when the soldier. That's crazy. But it had a little bit of that like kinetic energy in the, in the trailer. For sure. For sure. And so like, you know, that's always going to be interesting. And seeing like there's a little like a, like a bit where they go to Sam like three times as he walking in. There's a cut, click, click, click. I was like, okay, man, you know, we have some of this energy in a movie. I'll be there. The suit looks better. I'll give it. The suit looks better. The suit had to look better.
Starting point is 01:23:03 The suit needed to look better. Way better. I'm excited for this film. Me too. I think that there's going to be... It's interesting to have a level of excitement for a slower feed of Marvel content that comes out. It's been a minute since we have something to look forward to. It has been a while.
Starting point is 01:23:26 Like, the Marvels was our last big thing. And that feels like an age ago now. And now the next big thing... It's coming out like two. weeks. I know, but like, that's imminent, but like things to look forward to, it's not that, it's not that much. And I think this is really hitting a good stride. I think that, uh, Mackey's going to be fine in his own. I'm really interested to see how many angles we have. We have leader. We have Ross. We have, uh, Giancarlo Esposito, whatever he's doing. Yeah. Um,
Starting point is 01:23:55 it's exciting. I have a question for you, Charles. Do you believe in Anthony Mackey? I mean, I actually think to his credit, it took all of Winter and Falunner Soldier Falcon, whatever it's called. He was looking like Captain America movie-wise. I was just like they kind of got the look down a little bit more. I'm just going to be honest. We got to be real. Like, we got to keep it above.
Starting point is 01:24:19 It's nothing about the teaser trailer, but this ain't the type of reaction you want in terms of just like the next Marvel movie out. Who gives a shit? By the way, it is like the reaction is one of the thing. Charles, don't fucking back down now, nigga. Don't fight. We asked you about Anthony Mackey.
Starting point is 01:24:37 Just to let everybody know, everybody know what the real is now. Everybody know what happened, Charles. The most important thing in this entire deal is, who cares about how people are reacting to the trailer? I'm asking you right now. Jomey asked the question. You sidestepping.
Starting point is 01:24:55 Do you believe in Anthony McKeigh as Captain America, Chuck? if we just going off the teaser trailer, it's going to be enough. If it's just all the teaser trailer, it might have been a bad day. It might have been a bad day. I don't know. It's just like it was...
Starting point is 01:25:16 I mean, I do. I mean, them giving us to Red Hulk this early, you know, shout out. There's no theorizing. No, but here's my issue. Here's my issue. What this teaser trailer needed to do for me, right? is if Anthony
Starting point is 01:25:29 Mackey is going to be Captain America if he's going to be shouldering this entire movie we already know that it's just like this is even part of the movie where they even bring it Harrison Ford is bringing up like you ain't Steve Rogers I'm like it sends I think
Starting point is 01:25:45 the wrong message that we can't even get a teaser trailer without getting compared to Steve Rogers here not just that ending with the Red Hulk because I'm just like is this a Captain America movie or is this a Hulk movie because it's a Hulk villain. You've got the fucking Red Hulk.
Starting point is 01:25:59 Yeah. And that's the sad thing about the marketing of all of this where you're like, okay, we need every possible thing that could interest you because Marvel's like, they're slowing the tap down a bit. So we got to make sure that we can get any possible way to get you in this theater or get you excited for this. We're going to make sure that we do it. And it's going to be in the first trailer.
Starting point is 01:26:18 Not even the last one, not even in the lead-up, not even any of this. It's going to be right now. Like Red Hulk is in this move. This felt like Red Hulk. and Captain America, not Captain America, in the same way that it's like, Deadpool and Wolverine. Sure.
Starting point is 01:26:32 I'm just like, I get that's where we're at with the MCU, but I do think because Captain America is such a fraught character, I think because Falcon and the Winter Soldier was uneven, I do think that I need the next trailer out, you got to sell people on Anthony Mackey as Captain America. You can't just be like, we got the Red Hulk, and we got some shit from the Eternals, and we got the leader,
Starting point is 01:26:54 and we got John Collar us, Pizito, like, both. Dude, I mean, shout out. They finally got Tiamut back. It's been 1511 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we get to finally understand what's going on in the middle of the ocean. I think they've been chilling there. I think the closest thing we ever got, or the only thing I ever
Starting point is 01:27:10 got, was in Sheehawk, where they're like, that hand in the ocean, what's going on over there? Yeah. It's finally, like, they're coming back to some of the stuff that we love about the MCU, which is the interconnectedness of it all, right? Like, stuff with some of the movies are finally coming home to roost. And I'm
Starting point is 01:27:26 Also, we got to remember that that's been a little bit of the downfall, where if we get too much into that well, if we get too much into the feeling of the prerequisite knowledge that somebody needs to do to watch these movies, that's kind of been the thing that's been deterring people. And it's kind of why we've been slowing the taps a bit. I mean, the quality is really. It wasn't. Here's the thing. The Trevor wasn't a disaster. It was not a disaster. It's just like, it does give me a little bit of pause of, is this just going to be more MCU bullshit?
Starting point is 01:27:55 or did they actually really have a Captain America story to tell? I think I think that it's possible. I'm really interested. So I think the fact, so I thought the trailer was really good. And I don't have a problem with him showing Red Hulk just because Thunderbolt Ross is Red Hulk. I mean, the image is Red Hulk squeezing the shield. So, I mean, I don't think I have a big problem with it. I can think of other trailers that have kind of.
Starting point is 01:28:25 done the same thing, especially if he's going to be the main villain or maybe he won't be the main villain, but whatever. I do think, though, that the response to the trailer is more, it's not even about the trailer as much as it is about, it's not the best, the trailer's not
Starting point is 01:28:41 the best thing in the world, but why I say as good as it could have possibly been, for a Captain America movie, the reason why I felt like that personally was I want to be like, huh, does he look in command of Captain America? Does he look like This is a world that can revolve around him and not him being in Steve Rogers' world,
Starting point is 01:29:01 which I thought the trailer did a good job of kind of showing that, right? This is, it's a new Captain America. It's a different take on it. And that's what it has to be to Charles's point, what Charles is right. It has to be a different take on Captain America. In order for the movie to work, the story has to show that this is not the same thing that we've seen. seen from the character in the past, and that's okay. If you're in the movie and you're thinking, damn, I miss Chris Evans, the movie's a failure.
Starting point is 01:29:34 Right. Right. And when you look at this, it kind of feels like a world, it feels a little smaller. They didn't go with a big spectacle for the trailer. There's a couple of shots that you're like, oh, my God, you can see him in the way he's flying. But for the most part, things are a little close up. you see Isaiah, you see Isaiah Bradley in some way, like lose it and try to kill the president or do something. And you're starting to think, oh, these are all things that are kind of close to him and situations that have existed for a while.
Starting point is 01:30:08 And there's some newness here. There are some things we haven't seen. There's some at least belief that they might not be playing the hits. And I think that's why I said it was as good as could have possibly been. because it wasn't going to be a sit where everybody was going to be excited like in game to see that bitch. Sure. But if you're like, oh, okay, this is a world I can believe in, then it worked.
Starting point is 01:30:29 But we're not going to be good on the trailer all the way because we haven't been burned too many times, man. Yeah, no. Yeah. Yeah. I'll say what, I need. Too many times, man. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:30:42 I need that Isaiah Bradley Bucky flashback, though. I need that. We ain't getting that. I want it so bad. I mean, I mean, I mean, the red oak thing and this is something I'm thinking about for a minute
Starting point is 01:30:54 is like of course we get the Red Hulk stuff is because A, Dunderball Ross is in the movie but we speculate so much you know like just as a movie going comic book
Starting point is 01:31:06 movie going audience that like every time like somebody's on set we get like a leaked shot and it's like so and so's there this and this and which at this at this point doesn't behoove
Starting point is 01:31:17 the studios to like hide like stuff like this when we're like we've already done the math. I mean, I feel like that's I feel like studios like that kind of look at that as low key marketing opportunities. Even if it's not
Starting point is 01:31:31 official, even if it's not something that they can fully announce yet. Like they have precautions and ways of just like, all right, we put so and so over like a hood and then they're just ushered into a soundstage in Atlanta or whatever. Like anything that they shoot out in broad day that they know that it's going to be like possibly exposed
Starting point is 01:31:47 to like set photos or whatever. Like they know what they're going to be putting out there. I mean, Marvel's better. I mean, the DC thing is kind of crazy because like Superman, they just been like going crazy. Yeah, that might. Honestly, is that whole movie shot outdoors? Yeah. I'm like that movie. They're all, hey, look, they're shooting on practical sets. Hey, I like it. I like it. This is my last like hot take for the day. Also, the Red Hulk just sucks. So that's what worries me a little bit too. Could you imagine a world where the Red Hulk doesn't suck though? It's just like, it's like if you're propping up your
Starting point is 01:32:19 being like, hey guys, guess what? We got the Red Hulk. Is Leader that cool? No. No, but it just, who cares? They can make Leader cool? They made Zmo cool. If that's, no, but here's the thing.
Starting point is 01:32:30 Like, I could take Zmo seriously. Even in the comic books, when I was reading, I was there when the Red Hulk was created. I was like, this is dumb shit. Like, it's like, so there is a part of me where it's like, you got to convince me that the Red Hulk is worthy of me giving a fuck about a fourth Captain America. Sure. Oh, then you're not going to like you. then you're not going to like it.
Starting point is 01:32:51 I don't know, if Harrison Ford being a big red monster. If you go, if that's so, so like, I mean, whether or not you like the Red Hulk or not, like,
Starting point is 01:33:01 you don't like the Red Hulk. I mean, I don't think the Red Hulk is, to me, it's like kind of doing like another thing. Yeah. You know how they do stuff and it's like, oh,
Starting point is 01:33:08 it's cool. You know, it's like, people want to see, there are a lot of people who want to see the Red Hulk. I'm not saying that I'm necessarily one of them, but I don't not like the Red Hulk.
Starting point is 01:33:17 You know what I mean? It's like, Thunder Road Ross, turned it to the Hulk. I was like, oh, the writers was getting high one day. Yeah. It was like, the writers was getting high. It was like, what you think? The Hulk's right now. Yeah, let's go. They're like, come on, bro. I mean, the Hulk has been different colors though, gray, green, red, whatever. But like when I'm, but like what I'm, but what I'm saying is, if you don't like the Red Hulk, if the movie has to make you believe that the Red Hulk is cool, then you probably not going to like it. No, that's bullshit. That's bullshit, though. Because I didn't like, I didn't give a fuck about Black Panther. I didn't give a fuck about. I didn't give a fuck about. I didn't give a fuck about. I don't give a fuck about.
Starting point is 01:33:48 about Ironman and those movies did a very, very good job of being like, hey, these characters are actually cool. I mean, they're not the main character. Those are the red hope of the leads. You're right about that, but those are the leads of the, but that's actually a fair point. I mean, that's actually a fair point.
Starting point is 01:34:03 Thanos, I'll be honest, Thanos sucked in the, like, Thanos didn't have the swag in the comic books that he did in the movies. That was his movie. That was his movie. That's cool. I mean, look, your opinion and whatever, but if you watch the event,
Starting point is 01:34:18 the original Avengers, and you didn't get fucking hype when you saw Thanos at the end of the movie, bro. Like that, come on, man. Thanos is like, there's a whole infinity side and the whole nine. All right, can you, here's a thing. Thanos is in a lot of iconic comic books. The Thanos that we got in the movies just got so much more swag, so much cooler. But Thanos will pop up in the comic books. I'm like, all right, cool.
Starting point is 01:34:44 He got some gemstones on his fucking wrist. I don't know. He's horny for death. He got the roly on. Like, you got that thing. Hey, I feel it, though. I feel it. My favorite part of the trailer is when it opens.
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Starting point is 01:36:02 How was that? Additional production from Arjuna the Watcher. Ron Gapal. Charles, take us out. The Red Hulk sucks. Amin is bragging. And for the House of the Dragon to get to the next left. Oh, I fucked that one up.
Starting point is 01:36:18 Wait, no, you are, I mean, I thought you were going to quad-rime it. Aiman is bragging. Shout out to Cisco, because we're about to unleash the dragons. Yeah, yeah. First of all, can we address what you're wearing right now? Yeah, what the fuck? Crazy shit. This is a crazy thing.
Starting point is 01:36:46 This is a ridiculous thing. You on vacation right now? Well, okay, first of all, why is it? All right, a couple of things. Number one, I don't think that for the three woke cateers right here, that I think that we can all agree that the times of being able to comment on the wardrobe of a co-worker are over.
Starting point is 01:37:09 We've turned over a new legal society. So you commented on how I look and how I'm dressed. A co-workers in a bathroom. Yeah. I think what you can say is you're wearing some statement pieces right now. See, this is my problem with y'all.
Starting point is 01:37:27 Either you can't be either be all the way or skip it. Okay. So you can't comment on what I'm wearing. It can be half-woat. Not the way it can't be half-low. Right.
Starting point is 01:37:41 Well, okay, but I'll answer this question. This is the shit. You know what I'm saying? Okay. This is how I wake up. You know, I got my sleep mask up here. Sure. I got my hat.
Starting point is 01:37:53 You know, I sleep in the hat. I was going to say, clearly you sleep in the hat because you've got the sleep mask on the hat. I put the sleep mask. sleep mask on the hat. I sleep in the hat. I got, you know, I wear my, I wear my chains, you know what I'm saying? I wear all my chains in the house. I got this little tab. I got to check out non-cancerous. And then I, I, um, I wake up and I got this. I'm here at the NAACP convention in Vegas and I came back to my room and there was a box of black owned
Starting point is 01:38:21 goodies that was sitting in my room. Wow. What's in the box? Hey, this is from black owned people. And I didn't know there was a black owned robe company. Oh, they, Yeah, so they gave you that road. Oh, this is a black-owned rush. Okay, shout out to my black robes, man. Shout out, man. Come on. All right, can we get to the show?

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