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Yeah, yes, sir. Did you guys You guys seen it? Did you like it? Oh yeah It's great It's cooking It's really really good

Charles Did you see Batman Cape Crusader? With what time then With what time We out here What does that mean You don't have time?

I just got back to the city We was at Comic Con When was I gonna watch it? Well my question is How did they have time to see it And you don't have time to see it They actually have more jobs than you. I gotta go record outcast pod right after this.

So can we like, we gotta? Nah, fuck that. You think you're special? They got to do the pods and record other people's pods and show up his talent on this pod. You mean to tell me, I want to get to the bottom of this. You think you don't have time to watch Batman Cape Crusader? I know I don't have time to watch Batman.

Well, I should say you make time Because it's going to be a good time And we're gonna be covering it on Friday Fuck out of here I got shit to do That's what I'm talking about That's what I'm talking about That's the widest we've seen Steve in the history of this podcast

Make time Nigger Honestly Steve acting like Jace He's like Mongrel What's the Steve? We don't talk about that Real stuff.

Chase for real jake Well, I'll tell you what. No, fuck Jay. We'll get to Chase. We'll get to Chase. Mongrels, boy. Woo. Wow.

Yeah. Sunday, Talk to Thrones will be live on the Ring of Verse YouTube right after Season 2. The finale of Hot D is over. They got a lot that they're working towards. All right. It's time to get into the goddamn show of Charles has time.

Spoiler warning for all Game of Thrones content ever. Now we're going to try not to spoil the books. But we might. Wow, dude. Jesus Christ. We might. We might. We might spoil them. They might get spoiled.

This is an instant reaction podcast. We drift into different types of content and conversations. We don't know what's going to happen. Steve, run the spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about House of the Dragon. You're listening to a reaction

podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right. To begin our reactions, we again bring you the Midnight Manifest, talking about all the need to know. Got to put you in the note. The only person who can do that is Chuck Wagon. The only way to do that is the Midnight Manifest.

Chuck, take it away. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for House of the Dragon, the Penn Ultimate episode, The Red Sowing, directed by Lonnie Peristerer, written by David Hancock. Renera rolls up on Adam and is surprised that he's super cool with being our new Dragon writer. Laris wants Agon's get back in the gym with the help of Grandmaster Orwell, while Allison goes on a camping trip because she's sad about not being on the council anymore.

Meanwhile, at Hall H, Damon finally gets the River Lord to acquiesce to his pleas, but not before Oscar Tully puts the King Regent in his place, making him execute Lord Blackwood for his war crimes. Masaria tells Renira that she should look for Targaryen bastards if he's trying to get Dragon Riders, but then Jay School's full MAGA and turns into a super bigot because he realizes that he's not going to be the only Bastoriding Dragons anymore. In the Dragon Pit, Vermethor, ain't having nothing to do with any of the bastards. It proceeds to burn all of them to a crisp, except for Hugh. Meanwhile, oaf trips into becoming Silver Wing's new writer.

Then Silver Wing circles the block, alerting Amon, who sees that Renera has now bolstered her forces with multiple dragons. And that has been your midnight manifest for The Red Sewing. Chuck, what you got? There's been a lot of dirt throwing on my name that I don't love this stuff anymore. All right, we're going to stop the cap right there. I just want to say it's episodes like the right song. Like this is what I'm waiting for. This is the type of content.

This is the type of TV. Fucking blown away. Just an electric hour of television. When they thought of this prequel, I feel like this is one of the moments that they were waiting to get to when Renera is surrounded by all three dragons. I was like, we are cooking with so much fucking grease right now. Just an electric, electric episode. What about you, then? Yeah, so it's interesting that you said that because that's kind of how I feel, right?

When they said that the Red Wedding was the episode that they were building up to to get to in the Game of Thrones television show, when they were saying, hey, we thought about everything leading up to the Red Wedding. The Red Wedding was everything that we were going to base the show around, especially early on. I kind of felt the same way, Charles. I kind of felt like this episode with the majesty of it, the scale of it, the fact that the episode also had real human stakes in terms of the characters along with dragony, drag, drag, drag, dragon stuff. this was probably the one similar to the

rare wedding where they go, hey, this is the hook. If we're going to show somebody one show to get them hooked into House of the Dragon, this would be the test show that we would show to anyone because it has everything that the show should have.

So, Mint Boys, what you got? I thought it was one of the best episodes of TV I've seen in a long time. That lasts like 30 minutes from everybody coming onto the island and to seeing like the oneer of Hugh

running in the dragon pit and that's what it it it means something to me it means something to me man it means something to me let me tell you some when Renew and Vagar flies

away and Reneer is surrounded by the dragons you can ask I was in my house going let's go team play way up way up I was going crazy like the entire

episode is awesome, but those last 30 minutes, like to your point, is what House of the Dragon is all about. That's what it is, and it was incredible. Also, all the Dragons, I really quick, shout out to the VX team, like, for all of the shoddy CGI that I'm always like, this looks like shit. This episode looked good.

This shit was so expensive. It was so expensive. This is what they've been waiting for. I'm glad, hey, they save some money, putting fucking Damon and Hall H later in the entire season. But hey, it was worth it. Hall H is so good. Sorry, I really like that. No, this is, like, this is, it's tough to know what to call Pinnacle Game of Thrones.

Like, people can call it battles, people can call it the Red Wedding. People can call it, like, intimate scenes between people with high stakes and amazing characters. This episode had all of it. And it had all of it happening at a level that made me forget that it was a penalty. leading into a season finale type of episode because the ratcheting up of exciting things that have happened in this show has been so steady. Like you could argue whether or not you like Damon and Heron Hall. I personally do.

But I think this episode has probably been some of the most electrifying things that Game of Thrones has ever given us. And to see Ulf, just doing donuts in the front lawn in front of Amund is probably, is probably the best thing I've ever seen. So what I want to ask you, Van, watching this episode, does this episode finally give the blacks a little bit more juice?

Because for the entire season, I felt like the Greens have just been more, they've just had more to do. Amon, Vagar, all of the, just all of the machinations, and it's felt like Team Black because Damon's off somewhere. And it's just, it wasn't as interesting.

And this was kind of the first episode where I'm like, all right, the blacks not only are like, they're entertaining now. Like there's enough going on where now both sides to me feel compelling. Did you feel that way watching this? No, because I didn't feel that that was the case. I thought that the show has done a pretty good job of telling the story of each side and the issues that they are dealing with, right?

The Greens seem to have had, they've been a little bit more aggressive, right? they've been a little bit more on the attack. But what's been going on on the black side of things, to me, has been very compelling. You've seen dissension within the small council. You've seen new love affairs. You've seen Jace coming into his own as a leader and now coming into his own as the J.D. Vance of Westrose.

Oh, God. He is. He's the J.D. Vance. And so, you know, looking at it, I haven't really felt like the story has betrayed either side. I think the whole arc of, I don't think. Well, I mean, in the books, in the books, Allison is, or not Allison, sorry, Renera's off the board in, like, in this part of the book. She's not doing anything, right? So this is all this stuff we're watching.

I think, I think Damon, right? He's just in Hanhall. and he's just like, yeah, I had a good time. Right. So all the stuff for the blacks is kind of a story invention. You know, whereas the Greens, we know, like, more machinations of what they were up to during this period in the book. So there's like, they've got stuff to pull from for the Greens, not much. And they're making this, the blacks, most of it, whole cloth.

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Ask your doctor about Tramphia today. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Tramphiara.com. Well, honestly, to be honest with you, I think the way the show flows is the blacks are, they're not boring. to me, but they are supporting characters. And the only reason why I say they feel like supporting characters in the show

is because, in my opinion, when you're watching a TV show, particularly a Game of Thrones television show, everything flows out of what's happening in Kings Landing. Now, it didn't start that way at first, but then it got that way because that's what everyone is fighting for. So like when a show sets itself to where this is what everybody wants,

and then this is what's happening outside of what everybody wants, there's a tendency to, like, watch the show from the standpoint of, this is the main hub of action where things are happening, and these are the people who are trying to either usurp that or encroach into that. No, I understand that. And I think, what I think this episode did to me is, did for me, is that finally Reneer gets to be more active, this is the episode where all of the machinations start coming into its own.

And we can honestly, we're talking around it right now. I think it was not my favorite or the best part of the episode. But Reneira and Jace in that argument that they have was so fascinating to me. It was very moving and emotional. Like, abject racism aside. Like, no, for real. It's not that I'm emphasizing that. It's more of the, like, I kind of liked both of the.

their emotions that they were, like, putting in the front because they weren't that way before. Like, they weren't giving each other that all season. I mean, I think what is fascinating to me about Jace, and we've been talking about this entire season, is that we never really ever get a sense what any of these rulers want besides the throne. We don't really get a sense of, like,

what would you do if you were actually on the throne? And once Jace starts basically being like, they're mong girls, they're not high-born, get these fucking blackies out of here? How dare they ride my dragons? I was like, oh, Jace ain't a hero. Like, even though he's coded that way in the show, you start realizing I'm like,

oh, Jace isn't like this benevolent. And justified or not, which it's not, it's more because when he says to his mom, he's like, did you think that I'd have silver hair? like you see the impetus of being like oh well just because i don't even look a little bit like you i've always had this on me so then i have to punch down to think that just because i have this thing being a dragon that's the only thing that qualifies me or something like this and then his i'm i'm i'm going to shoot jason bell real quick sure just let one of everybody know we realized that jace

wasn't talking specifically about the black people oh no yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. But still. But Charles, I mean, look, it still, it still feels away. It feels away, right? Yeah. Because it was his idea. When you watched it, you wouldn't flint away.

No, no, no, no. I watched it back a couple of times. I was like, you know, come on, my nigga. Like, make Western Rose great again. You know, and by the way, and by the way, something else, I'll say just, just, you You can't tell me that the people who wrote this show and had created this show didn't realize that that would be a charged word. Oh, of course, of course, of course, of course. Yes.

They knew what they were doing. Of who he was talking about. They were using that to build Jace's character out a little bit for sure. No, I mean, Jace does, here's the thing. What Jace said was fucked up, but Jace has a point. I've been saying the same entire season where I was like, yo, the minute you start giving dragons to people who really. have no stakes in this battle. Honestly, I'll be real.

What's the game up? What's his name? Oof? Yeah. Oof, I was just like, Oof is silver wing. Like, Hugh, he's at least got like, you could, we could tell that Hugh has a code and he's got like a lot of like moral backing behind everything that he's done for right now, but Oltf's just like, a, oh, Olt's in the bar just being like, that's like giving the neighborhood drunk a drag and I'm just like, you can. Oh, literally Mr. Magood his way into a dragon. Like, that just doesn't happen.

But to Jace, like, I get, the racism, yeah, racism was crazy, right? But Jace is like, look, man, this is all I got. All I got is having a dragon to my name. I was waiting for him to be like, is this pretty much your idea, though, Chase. Well, yeah, because he thought it was going to be other high-born people. When you start letting the riffraff in, it's like, yo, am I still cool? The riff-rath? That's what he said. That's what he said.

He was like, it's like you go to a club, right? You're in a section. You think you walk tight. And then you start seeing other people. You're like, hey, this only foot. He's like, first of all, we thought this was Equinox. Now it's Planet Fitness. Yeah.

You know? He's like, yo, this is not, if I don't have this, if this is the only thing I don't have, that what else do I have? I don't have the hair, right? All I have is the dragon and the name. If the dragon don't matter and they already contest your name, I have nothing. Well, really, the, the answer to him is a very, inconvenient answer,

which is the interesting thing about the entire saga of who can ride a dragon. The answer to him is an inconvenient answer because it really, the difference between him and them is completely arbitrary. It's based on convention and tradition and exclusion. If it's about blood,

then these other offspring are just as much entitled to the dragon as they are. The dragon doesn't know the difference. See, all of the structures of high bornness and nobility, those are man-made creations. The dragons seemingly just go based upon whose blood is running through whose body. It's this ethereal sort of naturalistic type of view of who can ride them. And they don't know who's high-born.

They don't care. So what he's asking his mom, because in every, sense of the word, if we're talking about bastards and people who aren't, in every sense of the word, he is a bastard. He's asking his mother, like, what's special about me? What's the difference between them and me? And the answer is nothing. So, I mean, for him, he's made his life about trying to tell himself the story that there's a difference. But in actuality to the thing that actually matters, there really is no difference. The only difference is, shame and acceptance, which are man-made conceits.

And it's really heartbreaking to see him like unspool at that idea. Like he's really like he's on the verge of crying to his mom. And he's like, if it comes down to when these bastards want to take more of a claim than what we have, would you take it more over me or them? It's not hard-bredger. It's not funny. like it's not funny about that shit

rich white boy I'm like it is like I don't care about what you going through it's not funny but it's kind of funny because to Masaria Reneer is like we got to build an army of bastards

right and Jason he's like no I'm not with y'all man I'm cool bro you one of them the army bastardsers that's you those are your kinfolk you know what I mean

like it's tough It's a tough thing that I have to reckon with. And like, y'all, I'm not as special as I thought I was. I mean,

yo, can I just say, I did laugh a little bit. Who's the, what are the official names of the dragon caretakers? The dragon keepers? Worst job in Westroes,

by the way. Worst job in Westrope? They saw the bastards roll up. It's like, Hey, yo, this is an abomination. They like,

they're good. They're just like, you fucking up the whole. I was like, we're going to take our sticks that do absolutely nothing and leave. Here's the thing, if I'm a dragon keeper,

I'm just like the minute I saw my homie have to slit his throat last last episode. I would have been gone. Yeah, that's the breaking point. Yeah, this is the breaking point for y'all. Oh, this is it. I mean, my thing is this. I felt like, no, actually,

I felt like they left, not necessarily because it was this protest. I felt like the protest was cap. I think they left because they knew it was about to be some more fire. We're getting out of here. I think, I think, I think they saw like, look, man, you brought, you didn't brought these people in here before.

We ain't had nobody burnt in here in like 50 years. Remember the time Tony came in here, he was drunk, he got burnt. And like that, but that was Tony fault because he was throwing rocks at the dragons. And he was like, you know, tapping on the dragon cage and all of that. Tony did that. We didn't have nobody burnt. Our ocean safety rule, we've had 5,000 days in a row with no dragon burnings. And then all of a sudden, you bring somebody in here.

and they get burnt up and now you want to bring more people in here we're gonna get burnt up, we out and guess what happened? People got burnt up. Man, that entire scene. Where was the dragon keepers at? chilling, drinking a macchiato.

Like, I told you, niggas was gonna get burnt up. Do you think they're on Westrose Twitter just laughing? They just like, I told you. Here's the thing. I feel like all the dragons are like black antecoded because like Vermathor and C-Smoke.

They like, yo, don't bring these bums up in my house. they like all the dragons What does Silver Wing mean then? Because she picked Ulf. All right here's the thing. Silver Wing, if I got to be real, she didn't care at that point.

She did. Ulf killed one of the babies. Man, here's the thing. She was, she had been gone for like in that little corner for so long. She was a stay at home mom. She just needed an adventure. She needed to get out.

She honestly just didn't really have enough respect for herself. First come first seat. Yeah, it was just like, it was. It was. Because I was like, out of all these motherfuckers, I would, also, Vermithor, he was not fucking with the first homie. I felt really, really bad.

Like the one with the like the fucked up eye. I was like, this is... Oh yeah, his face was an italics. It wasn't great. So also, did you guys, in this episode, I did think this episode did a really, really good job of kind of teasing that Renira might have a little bit too much dip on her chip.

Because when she was like looking at Bermithor burning everyone... I love how quickly she leaves. I love like, all right, now let's walk up to the mezzanine level and watch. That was a little evil. I was like, I was like, Reneer. I was like, this kind of fucked up. She wasn't doing anything. Respect Reneer.

First of all, Emma Darcy the entire episode was in her bag. Like, that was like the kind of performance. You didn't get any like, oh, she's letting this go to her head. No, from the, from. What the hell she going to do? That's what I'm saying. She's literally invited all. these people too. It's called the red sewing.

Okay. So here's a so here's it. So here's a thing. So two things about the dragon choosing scene and all of that stuff. I think it's very interesting because it asked a question about what the people in this

world would do to be nobility. A lot of the Game of Thrones stories that we watch are about noble people fighting and we don't get a lot of time with the small folk and what they're going through. To watch what the small folk might be willing to subject themselves to in order to have a

different life, especially after episode after episode of looking at their lives and the circumstances of it was really interesting. I mean, they literally are setting themselves on fire so that some of the other ones can keep warm, literally. Number two, with her, this is kind of an interesting situation from her because this is her ruling in the Westeros way being willing to sacrifice smaller people under her to get what she wants. Right?

And so there is a little bit of a heel turn there because she forces herself to experience it and watch what the ramifications of her decision are. It's kind of a sacrifice in terms of some of her, her character has kind of looked at, at least to me, as being like almost inherently good. Like she doesn't do much wrong. But this is the first time that I can look at her and be like, from the last thing, oh, she's fucked up.

But I certainly didn't expect her to jump in there and take Dragon Fire for somebody. Jomi, did you? No, heck no. I mean, she gives the speech. Being it's like, hey, man, y'all got this thing. You know, hey, you know, what we're going to do is, we're going, we're going elevate you.

You know what I'm saying? There's some real cult shit, by the way. Very cult ass shit. It's played very religiously, right? And then they get there and they start burning. And I think she does have a look of, this is not going well. Not in the sense of all these people are dying,

but like, we're kind of losing dragons. You know what I mean? And so I, you don't feel like, you don't feel like Renera is in an emotion of like, oh, no. I did all this for nothing. Right? It's not a thing, to Van's point,

it's not a thing of, oh, man, I'm losing the goodwill. All this is more like, nobody's going to fight these dragons. That's all she's worried about. I don't know what Reneer would have done mentally even to know that, like, if the red sewing didn't work,

like, that's square negative five, not just zero for her. And I think that she wanted to sit with that, and actually subject yourself to watching that, because she's got to know that this should have been worth it. Yeah. Did it work, basically? Did this work?

I mean, but also, to Chase's point, you kind of have to run background checks. I'm not going to work to me. My, you know what? Favorite little touch of that scene when she's, like, kind of given the pep talk is when her Kingsguard, like, kind of bumps into her, and he's got his hand on the sword.

Oh, man. And Emma Darcy does this amazing thing where they're like, okay, it's like, all right, easy. And that, like, That being the tone setter for this entire thing of, like, everybody's on edge. Nobody likes this plan. Nobody knows what's going to happen. These dragons could go insane if they do this and just burn all of Dragonstone to the ground.

Reneira knows what's going to happen. Does she? Well, yeah. So what happened with Stefan Darkland. That's the thing about that, that speech, is that she knows, hey, some of you will get burnt. Right. And like Lord Farquatch. Like, that's literally, some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice, I'm willing to make.

You have to do the whole, yeah, like I said, the whole pep talk, because you know that at the end of the day, if some people survive, they're like, yo, you killed all those, all those people, all those people. That was kind of insane, right? Unless you're off, like, unless you're off and Hugh, like that lady who survived, who, who, uh, oh, yeah, shouts. Hugh save that woman's life. Is she going to be like, yo, man, that was crazy, huh? Now, what does she get? What is that? What does that saved woman get?

She's going to go back to Westroles. Like, yo, they burn all my homies. You can't. No, no. If I were near, if I were near,

if I were near, if you can't send her back to Westroes. You can't, if I'm here. She's got, she's got to stay in, she's got to stay in, like,

to me, to me, to me. To me, to me, to me now, because, like, the reality is,

if, number one, if you send her back, she's just going to talk mad shit. That's the first thing. She's going to start a podcast. Yes, Red talk. Like, you can't, you can't, you can't send her back.

Like, Red keep talk. Like, you can't send her back. Like, she got to at least eat the nice lamb for the rest of her. Yeah, yeah. Put her up in an apartment. The thing that I liked about, the thing that I liked about that scene, though, is a dragon looked at him and it was like, oh, finally, one that's not pussy. He was, he was like, yeah, he was like, yeah.

He was like, all of your house. Open silver wing. again it was first come for sir silver wing silver wing is different silver wing depends on whether or not you like a dom or a sub like silver wing yeah what's the silver ring dynamic here single mom

single mom stay at home mom like to like he likes a silver wing likes a sub so when silver wings saw oaf down there going through the mud and all of that stuff silver wing was like yeah I could see me putting a ball gag in his mouth and like you know the whole round I know about all that.

I had been like being like Silver Wing's just been staying at home a bit too long. She's been taking care of the kids. Some wayward soul from the bar. He's adventurous. He smokes cigarettes. He's a little cool looking. That's what you went too, Steve.

That's what Silver Wing was. She wants some adventures. He wants a guy that's going to take her out. I mean, it was really cute though. I'm not going to why. It was. Because Silver Ring is like nudging off. You know, like just off the rip.

You know, it was like that is the connection. It made you feel something. And to your point earlier about how they looked and the CJ and all that stuff, I mean, that entire scene, like when Reneer was touching Vermethor and, like, his eyes and then the entire,

like the one-er-action scene was awesome to Hugh and Vermethor having that connection. I was like, not only just look incredible, man, I feel. Oh, my God. I almost cried when Hugh was just, like, yelling at him. Ah!

Vermethor was like, Hey, man. He's like, all right. That's okay. Okay. You know, that's okay. Hey, we can work something about all. You look like the Witcher.

But also, also I got a drill. Speaking of other dragons, yo, Corliss ain't shit, bro. Corlis was so nervous that entire episode. He was like, he's like, he walks up to Adam. Can I say something real quick? I've tried my best to defend Corlis. All of these last seven episodes. Indefensible.

I'm sorry. I ain't got none for him. That's some of the most deadbeat dash. Yeah, man. I've ever seen by. He's like real shit. He'll dash. He's the worst.

And I got to. He's not put on for us, man. I have to say this. I have to say this, man. I have to say this. We've seen the bastards exist on Game of Thrones since the beginning of the show.

Everybody had a bastard, right? Everyone had a bastard. Ed Stark kind of had a bastard. Not really. Right? But we were led to believe that he had a bastard. Everybody had these bastards. Why is it when they take the one time to explore the mentality and the psychology of the bastard bastard, bastard son relationship?

You have this nigger walking into a room like he fucking Tristan Thompson or Sean Kim. You know what I'm saying? It's like why the one time they take to explore the bastard relationship? Because they didn't really get into it too deep with Lord Bolton or with any other other people that we know have bastards. Now we're negotiating it. And this motherfucker here looked crazy. He looked like he was the first pick in the NBA draft. 1984

and like you know what I'm saying and his son somewhat Duncan is like boy like that's what it's weird I felt away I'm like oh yeah this is Corliss even being like yeah you know I really wasn't I didn't really do my research on your mom's heritage I'm like

we this I have to be real And by the way telling this to the son that he wanted to do good shit for not even Adam Yeah this is I as black people you know we did fight we were just like why can't there be any black people in Game of Thrones and this is when it backfires a little bit

because when you put the black people in sometimes I'm like we go into tropes that are a little damaging and now I look at Coralus a little bit differently I just do he ain't shit It was terrible To be fair Ned I'm gonna I'll tell you about your mother That's not gonna work out either

All right here whoa whoa Ned was keeping a prompt Ned was keeping a prompt Yeah Ned it was the whole I mean that was Ned's whole thing He was too noble. He was too honest. Right.

The entire thing. Corlis, go to King or Ghost of Dragonstone, right? Sees his other son. This is like, hey man, congrats on a dragon. You get paid. I'm going to go talk to your brother. Yeah. He ain't got a dragon who I like more.

I'm a see. That's crazy. Men would rather send bastards of Targaryans to fire than go to therapy and talk to their son. Think about it. That's the kind of thing. He got one son that do want to sell, another son that don't want to sell. Don't really want to mess with either of them. Right.

But the one he liked the boast. Can you honor your dead wife's wishes? That's crazy. His main, his main, Renese was just like, hey, yo, it's cool.

Just accept them. Just claim them. Yeah. He can't even do it. Like, she's dead. Just claim them. It's not great. That's bad, man.

Real bad. I try my dad. Do you remember when Arnold Schwarzenegger, his son, Joseph, like, yes. Yes.

Yeah. So I remember, I remember working at TMZ, right? When Joseph Baina, when the Joseph Biana steals dropped, right? When he dropped, like he was a new PlayStation, when Joseph Biana dropped.

Because this was when, you know, Patrick Schwarzenegger and all of the rest of the Schwarzenegger and all of the rest of the Schwarzenegas were first, we were starting to get to know them. And then it was like Arnold, Arnold dropped a new one on this, a new Arnold. And I look at, looked at the pictures and I started to laugh.

And everybody was like, why are you laughing? And I'm like, because he looks just like Arnold Schwarzenegger. And I'm like, y'all don't understand this because you guys come from functional homes. It's always funny when you meet the outside kids and they look exactly like the kid, the kid that'll be the daddy's son, he looked kind of like him. you know how John David Washington looks kind of like Denzel Washington but you really got to look, right? Yeah.

If Denzel had an outside kid somewhere, it would be a little nigger walking around going, my man, looking exactly like Genzel Washington. And what's happening with Corliss right now is like kind of the same thing. He keeps looking for someone to give his,

legacy to, right? His other son, you know, I have to go West Hollywood. Like, I mean, I'm not saying that he couldn't give his legacy to him, but he had to go escape to go live his own life. And that was one of the best parts of this season. Then

he tries to give it to his granddaughter. His children, the ones that are set directly in his mold are right in front of him. They're right in front of him. but the weird, arbitrary, odd rules of their society stop him from embracing his progeny

in a very direct way and handing to them. He needs them now. Everybody needs them now. It's right there. They look just like him. They talk just like him. Not that his older son byronese didn't. He just was raised in nobility and had a different way that he wanted to go about things.

But I feel like this episode was. great because of the drag and stuff, but also because it asked a lot of questions about whether or not a lot of this stuff that their little society is built on is stupid. And Corlis being a deadbeat coming in there,

it's kind of, it was funny, but I was just kind of, I'm a beyond with you. I was like, man, why they got the nigger on this shit, man? Like, you know, I was like, I was like, it's tough.

You don't think, I was like, why they got him? on it. I did feel away. I did feel away. Let's talk about, let's talk about the Oscar. That's what I was going to say, that's who I want to claim is a son. That's who I'm so proud of.

Oscar Telly, man. Oscar's my guy. Oscar, man, bro. Oscar the groucher. Oscar put Damon in his place using mind mail tech. That's how Sister Sage. should have been. Like, I also put things, like, using

mind-milled tactics. Give me, Steve, you like white people. Give us what you think about Oscar. Well, as a big fan of white people, no, I loved Oscar. It's so funny

because he's clearly coming back and feeling slighted after that one scene being like, you're of no use to me without your grandsire dead. And until that happens, I'm just sitting here with a thumb of my ass, and you should too. And the moment that he comes back, he's like, he's trying to size Damon up and he is a physical, he is not a physical nor domineering threat to Damon.

But he quickly, and you can see in his face and in his tone, finds his way to get what he needs out of both the riverfolk and Damon in a very slow and pragmatic and cautious way. You could see him think. You can see him calculate what he needs of Damon and how that can easily be swayed. What I love is how scared Damon is about how played he feels at the end of this interaction.

Because if it takes nothing but a boy, to shake me from this thing that I thought I had a handle on, I'm fucked. And shout out to- like, it was one of the, it was- cash you got a question?

Seriously. Serious question. Okay. We know that Damon is a bad motherfucker. We know. Is Damon an idiot? Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. So here's the thing. I think Damon, the way I read Damon is that like, Damon is actually like very talented as like a military mind. Like when he, he's on a mission, like he's going to get the job done. But I do think that he always has too much dip on his chip.

When it comes to actually ruling, actually doing the politics side of shit, where it's like, it takes a child to be like, to read very fast, be like, well, fuck you need me more than I need you. Like, and even when Oscar looks at him and calls him in a very pointed way, King Regent, the only thing that Damon wants these people to do is be like, oh, no, I'm the king. Right. And a child being like, you not the king, bro, we're doing this for Nira.

Fucking chopped this motherfucker's head off and shut the fuck up. And you can see it in that scene too where Damon's just like, I got to do with this kid telling me he's like seething. It's just like, this little more, he got one on on me. And it's not even the fact that he got one on him. It's the fact that Damon doesn't have either the patience or wherewithal to actually be diplomatic like this. He didn't have to tell that guy to kill.

kill all those people. He didn't have to threaten people with dragons. He didn't have to do all these things, but that's the things that he knows. He doesn't have an emotional vocabulary in order to interact with the ways that the river people do

in order to actually get them on their side. I don't need them to love me. I just need their swords. Well, you're not going to get too far without actually understanding them even a little bit if that's your approach. And Oscar clocks this. So he's like, okay, what can I see

that Damon has done? that he will understand the consequences in order for us to actually honor this oath. And that's perfectly illustrated in that final. Oscar clocked way more than that. He clocked that. But Oscar didn't just read Damon. Oscar, this motherfucker like, he sold peace in almost the people. Oscar, Oscar read Damon.

Oscar read his people. The River Lords. The River Lords. Like this is my one opportunity. Look, I'm a little nigger. This is my, this is kind of what I'd be trying to get y'all to do, what Oscar said. Oscar saw his opportunity. Oh, my goodness.

Play people against each other, right? Oscar said, this is my one chance, the one chance where I have leverage to make him do what I want, to X out someone who obviously went way too far in X. executing something on behalf of Damon that the rest of the people to kill their feud between each other, or at least mitigated, right? And really set myself as an intellectual and kind of a military authority with all of these people. He took that and he executed it. As far as I'm the new kid on the block scene in Game of Thrones, that's one of the best I'm. here now scenes and Game of Thrones.

Oh, he's set for life. He set for life in the Riverlands now. What it reminded me of, my favorite time in like a rapper's journey is like when they're the little nigga in the crew, like, when Lil Wayne was starting to pop and he was beefing with Birdman, he's like, I'm going to go sign with Jay Z. And Birdman has to be like, God damn. Like, I, you the man.

Or when like Kanye was just like, Jay Z's like, I hate this motherfucker. And then Kanye got one hit. And Jay's like, all right, you get a Rockefeller chain. We just got to do it. Oscar Telly's like, dog. got a hit record. Y'all motherfuckers better sign me. It was just like he had a swag to him.

I'm just like, you love to see when a little man comes up. And the River Lords, when he's just like, hey, Damon, you need to execute this motherfucker. The River Lord's like, goddamn. Where's, they all in that moment. And it's not even 10 minutes before that one guy's

like, I'm not listening to you. You're younger than my sons. Why would I, why would I give a fuck about you? And then by the end of that scene, he's like, I, like, He speaks true. I mean, even speaking of that, Damon was like, I had no use for you. He was talking cash when they was inside. As soon as, soon as Tully started cooking, they was like, oh, my fault, oh, gee, I didn't respect your game.

I wasn't familiar with your game. It does remind me of Lillianna Wormont from Game of Thrones, you know, like the little, little person who's out there doing their thing. Like, he got it. Oscar totally, he got that dang on him. I mean, speaking of Damon a bitch. Daymond. It is.

Kind of. Like, Damon, like, look, this season, because we're going to eventually get the big Aman-Daman face off that we need it. And when we get it, like I said before, the power dynamic probably has to shift where Damon is a little bit of the underdog. And Aiman has gained some power

because of how we saw it the last time they were about to face off and Amon fucking coward from him. But they've nerfed this shit out of Damon this season, man. Damon is being led around by his nose and his goddamn sore by everyone. He's seeing ghosts. Alice got him fucked up. The little dude just made him kill. Damon is just a wind-up toy.

His trauma has him on various dummy missions that in no way does it seem like he's in control of himself right now. Can I say a lot of people are having the same complaints as you, Van, and I understand where that's coming from. I personally like the stuff that's going on with Damon only because it seems like this. I didn't like it. I just say they have them on a dummy mention. Sure, sure, sure, sure.

And I think that because the way that the books have been structured, it's just like, like more or less like 30 sentences in the book of being like, Damon is away at Heron Hall. And when he comes back, he's like, I had a fine time and I was immune to the powers of Dallas Rivers and nothing else really happened. I liked this idea that in my head canon, like, Damon would never tell anybody about this, about

him having the worst time of his life at this place, that a witch fucked with his whole head, and he completely lost his way. And he was trying to, like, having like an emotion, like a dark night of the soul with about whether or not he actually wants to be with his, to have the throne and like envisioning his brother and all these things. I've liked

that emotional journey, it is interesting to know that we would have to keep coming back to that it needs to come to a bit of a four now for the finale because he's too far separated from almost everything now. It seems emotionally. So can I ask y'all something that I was like, not confused about, but I clocked. And it happens in King's Landing when Laris is talking to the home. And he's like, yo, I got some tea, C-smoke got a writer. and Laris is like, let's keep that in the tuck.

Let's not tell. Let's not tell A. Call us. Don't call us. We'll call you. Do you think he was saying that because Laris is now like, fuck Aymann. I'm not giving him anything that could help him. I'm putting all my chips in the Agon.

Like, why was he just like, hey, slow down? I think it's twofold. I think one is that Agon dissed him. Yeah. Bad. And he doesn't want to make, he doesn't want to do anything to make, excuse me,

excuse me, I think that Amon disthem and he doesn't want to do anything to make Amon more powerful. And then secondly, I just don't think he had that much faith in the information. And he, not only did he not have faith in the information, he didn't see a way to spin it for himself.

Right. Well, also, he's almost, and he's realized, he's both realized his limitations with Aman. and he's trying to get Agon strong again. And when he asked him to tell him how he knew,

it was like this person told this person, told this person, told this person, and he just didn't have a lot of faith in the information. Yeah. Well, you got to remember also in that scene with Iron Rod, they're sending, Amon sending people to the wall. He's sending Agon's old buddies to the wall. You don't want to get caught up with a guy like that

who's just going to be like, all right, cool. I'm going to go saying you to take the black. Like, it was just very much a show of power. And so they're like, do you want to tell that guy the bad news? This is really what it's like. They're like, yeah, he got it. Joe Me an explainer. While you're on mic talking, can you set this stage for me?

Dragon for dragon. Sides. Like, what's the sides? Because if we go start with the blacks, who are now the official dragonrangers? So we start with the blacks. You have Syrax with Renara, Karaxis with Damon, Jace has Vermax, Bayla has Moon Dancer, then we have

Ulf on Silver Wing, Hugh on Vermithor and Adam has Seas Smoke. And then potentially there will be an eighth if Raina can get the dragon, at the veil under her control. Yeah. Potentially. So seven or eight.

So then who's on the green side? On the green side, you have A. Amid has Fagar, obviously. And then Dreamfire with Helena. And they keep mentioning Darren and Tessarian. So that's three for the greens. So they only have three.

And do we, is it confirmed if Agon's dragon is alive or not? No, they killed Sunfire, rest of the beach. All right. So that's. Long and the dying. So wait. dragons to three? You know?

It's a little bit of a mismatch. Did you guys see the season finale teaser? What fucking Aiman rolls up on a sister? He's like, hey, yo, we gonna need you to hop on that. I was like, what's she going to do, bro? Helena has nothing but a bad time every time she goes outside. I just want to stay in my room with my crickets.

Don't fuck with me. Why not play with her crickets, bro? Speaking of the blacks dragons, you know what they really are? They're the Miami Heat of West Rose, bro. In terms of you got, she taking, Ranera's basically was like, yo, we need some two-way guys,

we need some G-leaders. Let's come on, we got to make some happen. She's trying to be the Eric Spolster. She's trying to take Haywood Highsmith and Caleb Martin, you know, and Duncan Robinson to the chip. Shout out. They doing her thing.

Do any of the, all right, do you think, Van, that any of the new Dragon writers, do they have enough aura? Because some of these people, like, maybe they'll grow into it. But they don't really got Dragon Rider aura to me. To Jomey's point, they do kind of seem like some G-leakers. Man, let me tell you something right now.

Ulf is taking that dragon around the world. If you think that's going to go and fight somebody, Ulf is taking that dragon around the world. That's the wrong type of guy to give a dragon. Adam is the right type of guy to give a dragon. And I'll tell you why, Adam got all of these daddy issues. He just want to prove himself. He bent the knee immediately gets down.

Immediately. Like, hey, I need to have a drag. I have a dragon. Selfless. She's like, oh, my God. She's like, oh, you bent the knee pretty easy, motherfucker. What's up with you? What's you on?

And he's like, yeah, I just want to serve. You know what I'm saying? This, I don't want to talk about my dad. Don't ask me about that nigga. I don't want to talk about. No one of consequence. No one of consequence is crazy. You know what?

You know what he was? You know what he was? You know what I mean? Like the poem that Kerm did up here. Oh, yeah. The poem that Kerm did. I thought you say Kerm porn. And I'm like, uh, what?

Sir? That too. Kerm looked like he could be, uh, by one of his and cool his words. Stop, stop, stop. You got them, you got, Kerm, we, like that Love Island shit. You're like, Kerm, what you've been on to?

So, Hugh's got it, though. So he, So he goes, Hugh, Hugh, Hugh could be cool. Hugh, you could be cool. Hugh might come back and be like, baby, look what I got. He might go back to rescue his family.

You have to wonder about what individual missions they might be on, you know? All right. I'm going to be real. Hugh ain't worse shit. I saw Hugh's wife. I'm like, and my wife is just like, yo, let's just run away. Let's just, you don't need to be doing all this. Our baby died, by the way.

Our daughter just died. screen? I was like, God. No, that's a horrible, like, that was such a sad scene. I was so, bro, busted up about that scene. I was like, fuck you. If you left his shoddy, like, just alone, like, I don't know. Yeah, but you pull up

in a phantom, you know what I'm saying? That's not going to bring your daughter back. She said she didn't want that. She loves this man for him. She don't want none of that Targaryen mess. She just wants him. That's a good woman. Look, baby, I'm going to take you on this dragon

back. We're going to put you in a nice little spot. Don't worry about it. It's going to be a little different. But I do about it. I do understand that like shitty pride aspect of like we've lost everything. We have nothing. We'll do nothing. I'm supposed to be this thing that my mom

talked about and like we have nothing left. I'm just going to go for it. And it's going to hurt you but it's only going to give me purpose or what I think purpose should be. So so. And that's so heartbreaking. Book readers.

Well, I mean, at this point, his daughter has died. He's willing to brave Dragonfire in order to procure some sort of better life for his family. It's something that he has to explore now. I mean, it probably took him to get to that place. When he's standing in front of Verminthor, like, he's ready to die. He's ready to die. And he's probably ready to die because he's lost so much.

He knows he can't keep going like that, which is to me, the reason why to Charles's point, the motivations of these new Dragon Riders are going to be pretty interesting. Jomey, you said it like the heat, but the one thing you got to do to be a member of the heat is that you have to buy into the heat culture. Dragonstone culture. The question is, have any of these people bought into fire culture, that fire culture? Maybe, well, what is that that fire culture? that fire culture, have they bought into?

I don't know if they have, man. I really don't. Maybe Adam. That's it. It's his training camp, you know what I'm saying? We got to put, you know what they do in the heat training camp. They measure your weight and you got to make weight. Like, that's a whole thing, right?

Yeah. You got to make weight. You got to make weight. You got drinking shit on the water. Who's a Eudonis Haslam of Team Black? Who's the guy? Who's the guy? Now, for the uninitiated who might not know who Unitedas Haslam is.

He was the bashing of heat culture. he played there for 20 years. Really, he played for like 16. But for the last like five years of his career, he was just a dude on a bench, can pay $2 million. Okay, so just hanging out for vives and money. They might not have a Udonis Hasolm,

which might be a problem. The problem is they don't have a Star Wars. They don't have a Eudonis Hasnum. They don't know what they are right now. That's why you say there to heat, but unfortunately, they're actually more like the Lakers. Because I'm just being honest with you. The heat have a way to bet people and you have to make the Lakers just be trying shit.

Christian Wood, Cam Reddish. Like, you can't tell me that Ulf is not the Cam Reddish of Westeros. Like, Christian Wood, he could be good. It might work. Like, so really they just, they're trying shit. But in a preseason poll, you know, you bring Russell Westbrook on in a preseason, when she was standing right there and all those dragons were behind her, that's the cover of a preseason magazine.

That is actually the picture of Steve Nash. Steve Nash, Kobe, Dwight Howard. That's that same picture. You don't know whether or not it's going to work, but it looks like it's going to work. But who knows how they play together, you know? I will say the funniest shit ever, bro, was where Amon is on Vagar.

He's chasing after a silver wing. and all them dragons are dragons. So like, yo come outside. We ain't going to jump you. He's like, hey, oh. Like, relax, let's go. Vagra wanted all the smoke, though. Vagar wanted all the smoke.

He was like, hey, he told her like multiple times. Like, no, no, no, no, no. And we got it. We got to go. Oh, no, no, no. Here's a, no, no. At that moment, I'm jumping, Vigar. Like, I'm like, I got, right now.

Yeah, do right now. I'm just like there's one dragon. The dragon riders aren't experienced enough. That's true. They got to run some drills. They got to run some drills. Jason, Jason's right there. No, that's not sad.

Boy, Vagar, Jay's dragging a bitch. Respect Verbex. Respect Jus'rmex. Boy, I tell you what, boy, but that nigger Vaggar was begging for a body. Vigar wanted all of it. Vigar was begging for a body. Pig all like, like, hey, dad, you can't see these niggas pussy? I'm telling you, I'm telling you, they're right there.

No, the other guy is talking mad shit, though, in unison. Like, yo, they're going to go. What you on? What you're going? What you want? I like the one that was probably far away. They're just like, eh. Dog, so wait.

Hey, brother, y'all been in, you y'all been in them situations, probably not Steve, but y'all been in the situations when there was. There was like always, it's either a group of homies or one homies that's like, hey, br, let's just get to it, bro. He's right there, bro. He's right there. You're like, nah, man, nah, you don't see them niggas behind him. Nah, man, fuck the, me.

You know, bro. Br, he right there, bro. Then he, then he, then he, your home boy always look at you like, wait a minute, nigga. Are you a bitch? Because you say it's up, but it's not going. I'm like telling you, bro. All right, let's go.

And then you go over there and get your ass whooped. But I'm not sure. Like, I will say this. I'm ready. Oh, yeah. I'm ready. Are we not ready? Ready.

We're not ready. In the pantheon of Game of Thrones episodes, is this a top 1% Game of Thrones episode ever? Is this a top 1%? For sure. I don't want to say recency bias. I will say if there's like a top 10, I think this might be the only house of the dragon.

episode so far that I'm like can go toe to toe with some of the best Game of Thrones that we've ever got. Like this was one where I disagree with that but I understand what you're saying. No, no, no, that's not me saying that like the other House of the Dragon episodes have been bad. But this was the moment where I'm like, okay, if you guys land the plane, House of the Dragon can be a different type of show than Game of Thrones. This is the one where I was like, oh, we're diverging now and you can be your own man. You can stand on your own suit. This feels like an elevation for sure. And I think if two really hit, or the finale of two really hits like we think it might, I think that this will, this will be up there for sure.

Again, one of my favorite episodes of TV I've seen. Just incredible. I think when I talk about my favorite Game of Thrones, like the entire universe, episodes, this is definitely, like in my top five. Only wasted scene? Allison's little nature hike. What the fuck? No, no, no.

Here's the thing. Allison's my queen now. like honestly oh okay so you you've become familiar with Olivia Cook's game and you're all right right

let her door back team green if that was me we talk of crazy why what she's listen she brings you out

and she's like no no no he gets to no no yeah just you just you just you Charles

just you and me in the woods oh hell yeah I'm like yo Allison is that guard shooting a shot we could go

we could go what's that mean oranges and cinnamon I'm doing my some crust cold shit I'm like let's get

out of here bro She literally was like, I just need to go into the woods. Like, I just need to go outside. That's how you know a white woman is down bad. She wants to go to the woods. She wants to go to hike. Let's go to Runyon, find ourselves.

Literally touch grass. I'll be honest with you. Allison, like, if I could do one thing in this show, it would be to send Allison and Renara on a spa day together. These are some stressed out women. These must be, these might be the two most stressed out ladies in television history. Bring Masari in there too.

Allison. You are, you are freaky-cler. I know what she... I'm familiar with your game. Steve? I'm sorry? I was going to see a fight. I would watch.

I would watch. Hey, you know what? They didn't go back to that this episode. They did not. They did not. They did briefly. They did briefly. They did briefly because here's the thing,

not only is Jace a racist, that motherfucker homophobic as Fuck. He's like, no, I think he's just, I'm sick of having new parents. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From Masaria? It's not, it's not about the, the phobia. It's more like, look, man.

I'm tired of all this. Simon Strong, Damon, Massaria. You got to, you can't just keep people on life and taking them out. And he's an 80 teenager. Like, he's got a chip on his shoulder always. Pick one, please. Whoa. He was a sex spot.

He was just starting to not become a bitch. And then he doubled back to some more. Like, like, he, he, he, it was a bad. bad Jace episode, man. It was not a great Jace episode today, bro. It wasn't, man. You know, either either die your fucking hair or get. Take some notes from Oscar Tully.

Bro, either dye your hair or get the fuck over it, bro. I hate, bro, I got to be honest with y'all. There's nothing that I hate more than rich boy angst. Yeah. I knew guys like this. Yeah. Like, we'll come around be like, man, my dad hasn't here. My dad hasn't been here in a month and a half, man.

My parents got divorced. I would be like, hey, good. What a fucking NeoGeo arcade game system, man? Let's play that bitch. Because my dad here every day and I love him and the lights got cut off. It don't, like, I don't want to hear it. Okay. Let's go to the country club.

We used to go to the country club. Chet Hanks. He is, bro. We used to go to the country club and the dude, like, I was with one of my homies one time and we went to the country club and he noticed that they poured the wine wrong.

I was like, what? He was like, let me tell you how they're supposed to pour the wine. He's like, you're supposed to pour the wine like this so the wine doesn't spill. After you tell me something like that, I don't want to hear you fucking complain about anything after that.

And that's what Jay's is. getting into. Jace, either dye your hair and get into the situation or go straight bastard. Name your name, Drace Glass Sand, or whatever it would be, and go hang out with it. Glass Sand. What is the name of you, if you're a bastard from a Targium? A Dragonstone. What is it? Let's see.

If you're a Dragonstone bastard, then are you, you Jace, you Jace, Dragon Tooth? Drace. It would be waters. Yeah, water. No, or stone. It's stone. It's stone. Is it?

Several of the veils of the bastards is called stone. Sometimes far enough rather than may as legitimize bastard son. Oh, no, it's waters. Yeah, it's waters. Damn it. It's waters. All right. This AI shit.

All right, so before we get out of here, temp check, if the season finale lands the plane, where are we thinking midnight meter on a season two? Like, if they land... I don't want to do preemptive midnight meter before the season finale. You don't? Because then this is,

see, Charles, this is what you do, which is why you can't enjoy anything. Because I enjoyed this season. I enjoyed this season. What are we talking about? Yeah.

You don't, you, and by the way, I want to say something because you're capping. We didn't say that you don't enjoy fantasy stuff or this, because you will watch Naruto to the Dashi the scene, Charles, getting so excited when we walk by the.

Naruto booth. This did not happen at all. All right? It did. We walked by the Naruto booth. And like I saw Charles like he, he made a face. He was like, oh. I was like, what the fuck?

This did not happen, but I did walk by the Demon Slayer booth. And like Lil Tangiro and Nizuco with the big heads came out as mascots. And I literally was like waving at them. I'm like, Y'all Tangiro, my dude. So yeah. So we say very specific. Charles, you don't like superheroes. My hero academia.

I love my hero academia. That doesn't count. I love mob psycho. Okay. It does count. See, you're, you are close-minded. You close-fucking minded.

That's true. That's true. That's facts. And also, it's not my fault. It's not my fault that the MCU is fucking in a dumpster. It's not my fault. It's not just the MCU.

If it was just the MCU, I can get it. It's the MCU. It's, the boys, is anything to where Americans have powers. You don't like it. You're not like it. I think that's the world to be a better place if Americans have less power. Well, maybe I should.

I don't know that I even agree with that. I think it, but I don't say this. All right. And now it's, and now it's red talk with the lady that survived. Red keep talk. Red keep talk. Now it's Red keep talk. Red Keep Talk.

Bro, the episode of Red Keep Talk where she brings Corliss on to sit down with all of his bastards. Oh, man. Ooh. How would she book Corlis? No, I mean, you know, you got, hey, you come on, get some publicity, get some bread on you. Yeah. Play your name, brother.

You know, type. Now, Corliss, it says you have some two bastard sons. What do you have to say about that? Tough. It happened to everybody. It was these 60s. Guys, can we do that? Seriously, can we dress up?

I'll be Corlis. Okay Jomey can be Like can we do an episode Adam? Is he Adam or is he Is he Like We can do and then

Mal can come in And we should do an episode of Red Keep Talk Right around that one table right there That's the kind of shit we should be doing Like Ringer Red Keep Talk That's the kind of shit we should be doing So we role play his characters

On a podcast Yeah. It's fun. I mean, we got the video out there. Why are y'all not like to have fun? Everything is... I like to have fun. I'm with it.

I'm with it. I'm with it. I'm with it. I'm not. But you can be Jada. The only reason why Charles, I don't want to set expectations. We've done presumptive midnight meters before. I just kind of want to watch it and experience it.

I get what you're saying is, but if I, if I, if I, If I'm, if I'm too, is it going to stick to landing? Is it going to stick the landing? I think it will. They might change the way I look at it. I'm just, I'm hyped up on it. Like, honestly, for seasons of TV, that we've covered, I think after Shogun, this might be my favorite thing that we've covered all year.

It's just restored my feeling in this nerd space. And it's just, it's a shame, dog, if it takes two years for this shit to come out. Yeah. Hey, you know what's good about this episode. Another reason why I think it's one of my favorites. No, Krispy Cole this week. No, they got to bring back Kristen. It was awesome.

They got to bring back Kristen. Every time he on screen, my blood boil, you fraud, you bum. He'll lame. All right. Let's get out of here. Let's get out of here. That's your number one up. That's my number one up.

That is a wrap. Tuesday, The House of R will deep dive into season two, episode seven, The House of the Dragon. Very excited to see what they have to say about it. Wednesday, Ringiverse recommends returns to give you the best releases of the month. Also on Friday, many additional returns to discuss Batman Cape Cuseda. Sunday, Talk to Thrones will be live on the Ring of Verse YouTube right after the season two finale of Hot D.

Haddee, Hot D in the motherfucking house tonight. Our producers are Steve the Arctic Almond. Jonathan Chocolate Fire Kerma, who was kind of quiet this episode. We didn't get much from the, from the, from the midnight. From, from, from Kermen.

It's okay. He's in the back in burritos. Yeah, he's eating breakfast. He's got his burrito. What? Even his breakfast. Oh,

he's got a breakfast burrito back there? Yeah. Alley had the Mazzanaris, uh, and Jomey, they explained our dinner on, on socials. Uh,

well, Alia is not on socials, but Jomey is. Hashtack, Steakhouse Jomey. Yeah. Steakhouse Jomey. It was good.

That's take house Jomey. It was good. That's take house Jomey. I'm never going back to, oh, man, fuck that place. We was in a fucking club. They brought out the sparklers and shit. I was like, they did three rounds of sparklers before we got the check. And I'm like, this is exhausting.

There's a lot going on. Honestly, but I will say this, yo, midnight boys, like when we go to a city, we really shut it down. Like, midnight boys, bro. They should give us a travel show, bro. They should really give us a travel show. Midnight boys know how to trial. That's right. Big facts, big facts.

So I'll say this. If they gave us a travel show, It would be interesting because each midnight boy would be on like a different mission. Interesting. I would be on the mission. And then you reconvene at the end of the night. Yeah. Yeah.

That's right. It's back. I would be on the mission to find the best place to where you could have fun and be back in your room by 645. Wash. Hell yes. Wash. Jamie super washed, stone washed. Jomey would obviously be on a mission for the finest white women of any town that we're in.

Oh, would be on a mission. San Diego. I finally get where the milkman was made being in San Diego, because God damn, Jomi was in heaven, bro. Additional production from Arjuna Rhyme Cabal.

Chuck take us out. Jesus is the man. Dragonstone is rich. House of the dragon is fire. It jaces them all fucking bitch. Also shout out to the Christian rapper my man. Who's the man?

Jesus. Jesus. Jesus is the man. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus.

J-E-S-U-S-U-S-E-S-U-S-E-S-U-S. I was about to sign him to ring a record. I was like, all right, man. Anybody who preaches outside nowadays, it doesn't have shit on him. Who's the man? That's the thing. I think that the Christian right thinks that Comic-Con is full of sinners. because there was mad, save your soul, people, wherever you went.

And shout out to them. But they all fell short of Jesus as the man. Because one dude was outside of Comic Con yelling to the top of his lungs. Like, you couldn't hear shit, but him saying, hey, hey, all of your false idols hell awaits you. I'm like, God, damn. A nigga can't like Superman? I'm like, for real? He's like all these are false idols

It's your last chance I'm like outside of Comic Con I get it if the Avian Awards was in town Then I would kind of like Comic-Con It should go to the Avian Awards Absolutely not Why not? Why would we go to the AV&A Awards?

What are the AVN awards? Oh Jomey. I did. Jomey, do you really? I'm serious, what are the- Okay, all right, let's wrap it up. You're a child. Y'all made me sick.

Y'all make me sick. Oh, real quick. Oh, never mind. I'm not even going to say that because if I say that as well, I think. No, I think I'm putting it together. I think I've got it.