The Ringer-Verse - ‘House of the Dragon’ Season 2, Episode 8 Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: August 6, 2024

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There's no more talk. So Jovanna Experience is back. Joanna and Van, who is me, will be giving you their long-awaited last Jedi debate live on YouTube. Now, I got to say something here. Live, YouTube live. I got to say something here.

There's been a lot of people that have been asking for Charles to be on this. That's like a mediator? Or just to have Charles. I don't really feel right getting into the arena without my partner in crime who would be against me. I don't know. A lot of people have been asking for Charles again is maybe we expand this. I don't know. Maybe it's Giovanna.

Maybe it's Joe Chukka. Maybe it's Joe I don't know how that's I don't know I don't know A lot of people have been like Chuck Vanna Hey we were Chuck

Chuck Vanna or something like that But we might keep it to just We might keep it to just me and Joe But a lot of people Have been wondering what Charles Because Charles is a You're a last Jedi truther as well

Right That's Jedi is in my top Hurry Yeah you love it We'll see what happens We'll see what happens Arjuna Arjuna's like

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Academy and Tales of TMNT. Now, what the fuck is happening on the umbrella academy right now? I completely forgot. That's a great question. That's a very good question. The last one, they went back in time, right? Yeah, uh, yeah.

There's a lot of timey-wiming stuff. And then at the end of season three, they end up in their reality, right? But it's different. But it's a different reality, and then they're going to have to... It's a soft reset. They're going to have to go back in time again

to change the timeline again. Doc Brown's gonna come out and he's like we gotta send you back in season one. Season four. It's right.

Do they have the other people the bad umbrella academy are they still on there what were their names? No. The Sparrow Academy, no. Yeah, they got rid of them.

Yeah, they got rid of them. Oh man. It's it. Hey, peace out, Sparrow's. You fuck it y'all. On today's show, we're giving you our reactions

to the season finale of Hot D. It's over. Guys, when I'm out of time, I tend to just hold up in hotel rooms with the blinds closed and just listen to lore. Why are the blinds closed when you're listening to Lord? Oh, my God, let me tell you something.

I think, I'll tell you right now, if I have blackout curtains at my crib, I'm putting them on. Oh, blackout curtains are the best. If I have blackout curtains in my crib, it would be very difficult to get me to leave a house. Like, you exist in this weird realm where there's no time. Yeah. It's like time goes fast. Yeah. But it moves slow.

is completely dark. I agree. You open up the blackout curtains and it's like, oh my God, civilization, but you don't know what time it is. It could be 3 a.m. It could be 11 p.m. And all I'm doing is just lore,

lore, lore. I listen to a whole three-hour video about the Trident about Robert's Rebellion. Oh? And why? Can I tell you guys something about this? Because I never watched,

all of them big-ass books I read about Game of Thrones. I never read them. Y'all. Did y'all realize that the mad king or whatever his name was do you realize how he was trying to fuck over Taiwan Lanister?

That's why Jamie Lannister is in the Kingsguard. Yeah, I don't want to know. Not really. I'm here to talk about the season finale of Hot D, please. Aries, man. You know what happens to the best of us. Spoilers, spoiler warning for all the Game of Thrones content

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Tyler Lannister gets punked by Admiral Chiracroko in the Triarchy as he struggles and ultimately prevails to get their ships and men. Laris impresses upon Aegon how important it is for them to escape to Brabos before the war begins between Eamon and Reneera, the king takes Laris up on his offer after a short fight. Jace catches off with his feet up on the furniture and puts the new dragon rider in his place. Meanwhile, in King's landing, Damon starts tripping. Allison has to stop her son from forcing Helena to use Dreamfire in the coming war.

Then Elena tells the Prince Regent that he's about to die so he can miss her with all that shit. After catching Kristen sniffing his mom's hanky, Gwain flips the shit and challenges the night. But Gwain is freaked out by Kristen's sober realization that they're all destined to die under Dragonfire. Reneera pulls up with Adam to Harenhael where she hears Damon is planning treason. And after having a vision at the werewood tree, the incoming winter and his part in the large story, Damon finally vows his Riverland Army and allegiance to Rainira. Allison makes one last plea to Renira to stop the impending war, but Reneer is like, Agon got to die.

And Allison is like, damn, I'll leave the door open. Also, Raina finds a wild dragon. Alan tells off Corlis and Otto Hightower is in a cage. That has been your midnight manifest. A lot of episodes of. Yo! Charles. Yes.

Season two of Hot D is in the books. You look crazy, man. He looked like the Mad King. Oh, he was a Mad King. The Mad King Van. This is the stuff, Lionel. What do you think? What did you think about the finale?

What did you guys think? I think that this would have been a fine to, like, adequate episode at any other time in the season. And for this to be the season finale, there was a little bit of, like, damn. Like, I was doing that thing where with the remote where you keep pauses. Like, how much time do they have? When are they going to get to this battle? And then it's like, next time on House of the Dragon. So I didn't, like, I didn't think that the episode was terrible.

It just kind of left me wanting. And it felt like this, it almost confirmed my suspicions about the season, whether it was the strike or whatever, that maybe the pacing of this maybe wasn't always in the plan. Jummy? As an episode of TV, I liked it. thought there was a lot of good stuff happening. I mean, oh my gosh, there was some

A-C-T-I-N-G acting, acting, acting this episode between a whole bunch of characters that we'll get to later. But as a finale, like a season finale, not ideal, you know, like the tri-archy stuff feels tacked on.

What's stuff? The triarchy stuff feels like... Why were we with Lannister for like half the... I was like, bro. We don't need this. Like, come on. We don't need this right now. It wasn't the most thing I've ever seen, but at the same time, we're like, we've seen so much stuff in these past, like, seven episodes. We're like, okay, we want some payoff for stuff.

We've got some payoff to some stuff. Damon, Reneera, some Allison Reneera stuff. Like, there's some stuff that got paid off. But we spent a majority of the episodes of learning new stuff about the Characie and Thailand and Nessos. We're like, cool. I'm not bored by this, but I could have, we could have had this, like, an episode, two episodes earlier, and we would have been fine.

We need more stuff for the characters we know and love. I just think. it's a good episode TV, but as finale just doesn't quite work. It's some of the best of Thrones and it's some of the worst of Thrones, in my opinion. I think this as a finale feels wholly insufficient for what it wants to lead up to and finish a season on. But in the same breath, I can easily say that a lot of the character moments that were in this episode were exceptional, sublime, and like really, really,

carving out a lot of great character pairings that I'm really really looking forward to for seasons to beyond this. I just really think that it really is losing its way when it comes to like wrapping up a season rather

than being swept up in its own story and its own importance, if that makes any sense. Van, what do you think? Well, I liked it. I thought it worked fine as the the last episode of the season. From what I remember about Game of Thrones

is that it would typically be the penultimate episode of Game of Thrones that would give you some of these huge, huge, huge moments. And then the finale would always be kind of a temperature taker, not necessarily a table setter, but like almost a bow, right? So here's the thing. And this is why I'm wondering how

the midnight meter will go based upon some of our reactions to this. Some of the things that they did wrap up in this episode are things that they worked on, the question will be, did they pick the right things to wrap up on? You weren't going to get your big dragon battle and your big huge battle

because remember, unlike Game of Thrones that is 55 different schisms between various different houses, lands, with histories, there's two groups of people fighting here. Yeah, two groups. So you can't dip away for the red

wedding and then go here, with a different battle and then go here and then something's happening on the wall and then everybody. These are two different groups of people. So you can only have so many battles that you could show. Yeah. Right. And with this being based on the specific

civil war of this one group, if you're not dialed into what the characters want in this show, like emotionally, because this is the split of a family, then it's not ever going to feel like it gets to a place where it's grandiose.

without the dragons and shit. And let me tell you why I'm trying to say that. What I'm saying? The question is, Damon coming back to her at the end of this episode, if that doesn't work for you, the episode doesn't work. Right.

But here's the thing. I thought that that was one of the best scenes between Damon and Rainierre ever. But I'm going to be honest, the wherewood shit, where they're kind of bringing in the long winter and we get shots of Danny and all this shit. And like, we get the,

basically what I think is one of the worst choices in Thrones when Tyrion is like, this is all one big story. And Damon's like, I'm part of this story. I was like, did you need this? Because the scene that follows between him and Reneira is so powerful, him just being like, I have to do this because this is a longer story that I'm a part of. Just felt like, it just felt weird. I'm with Charles on this.

I am. I get it. I get it. But this is what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying that that has to work for you. I'm not saying that it has to work for you. I'm saying that if it doesn't, then that's an indictment on the season as a whole. Because that's got to be a monumental moment.

It's got to be a season finale-esque moment when he has everybody been the need to her and she's solidified, right? Because that's your big question is, are there going to be two or three different factions fighting? See, all of that stuff, Agon leaving the castle, leaving the red, all of that stuff, you have to be bought into those characters and their story for that stuff to work. Like, it's a different show. It's not going to end with the big Battle of the Bastards and all of that.

You're not going to get as much of that stuff. If seeing Renair and Allison on the screen, if seeing Allen and Corliss, if that stuff isn't working, they're banking on you being as invested into these characters as you need to be to give you these big scenes for a finale. That's what their show is about. And if that's not working, then there's a chance that the whole season didn't work for it. Well, I think it's more so that it wasn't like, to me,

I got chills when Damon finally bends the knee. I was like, this is a very season finale-ass thing. It was more so I ended up wondering. I'm like, do we need all those episodes of him tripping in the, in Heron Hall? Just like, because I think we did. I think we did because you simply support my wife without a ghost prophecy.

But to be real, he was in that, he was at Harrahall for a while. And I'm just like, I don't know, like it did. I've seen a lot of people be like this felt more like a midseason finale. I even think like the Allison and Renera thing at the end. I'm like, this is great acting. Don't get me wrong. This is a great scene. This scene really doesn't make sense.

Where it's like you're telling me within the span of like however many times, both of these women have snuck into each. others, Kate, like, he's just like, I think, I think,

I think to the Damon, Alison, or the Damon-Rinear point and the Reneer Alisa point, those are two relationships that are the crux of the show, right? And so while it made sense,

and I jolt make this point, last time on Top Thrones, Damon and Reneer had that big fight, episode one. They go off, they literally don't see each other so episode eight where they come together,

right? It's like a full soccer moment for them. And for this show, Reneera and Altsa, Allison, it's kind of the same thing, except for the fact that there's not really any coming together. Allison's like, look, you got to do what you got to do. You have to kill my son.

I don't really want you to, but I kind of can't do this no more, right? Those connections, those relationships are the crux of the show. And they kind of have to have to have, they kind of have to talk. They kind of have to communicate because it'd be kind of weird if literally the show starts with us growing up with them, living, like living their lives. And then Allison, Reneer just don't talk. forever. It doesn't make sense.

And something you just said, right, is indicative to me of what the show is trying to do. You just said that I would support my wife without having to have a vision, right? And I know that you were joking. But this is what the show is trying to do. It's not just his wife. It's his wife.

Is his niece? It's the threat to what he believes his birthright is. It's his failure. It's his mortality. It's all of those things. that's what the show is about. The show is about like when

when Renair is talking to Allison and she's like she has it, that's her brother. Right? You know what I mean? Like she's looking at her friend and saying your son has to die. That's her brother, right? All of these things.

When the guy, when he puts the sword up to Gwen. Yeah. And he's talking to Sir Christian. I mean, the show is essentially about the disintegration of a family. It's not that much different than, I don't know, any of the other things that you would have watched that are these family dramas to where it's like, oh, my God, at the end of this, somebody finds something out or two people come back together. It's not about dragons. And I'm not saying that that means that this episode was good.

I'm not saying that all. I thought the episode was good. It worked fine as a finale for me. but I wasn't expecting, I thought the season has been so strong that it didn't need like a bang or finale.

But for people who thought that there was going to be a massive battle in this one, if the show is about the battles, the show's not working for you. I mean, I don't need a battle, but even like some of the stuff that was happening with like

Ulf and the Dragon Writers, I'm just like, we didn't really spend enough time with these people and their dragons yet for them to basically be like... If you had like a couple of more episodes. To know the Ulf's a dick

now that he has a dragon, I'm like, that's a pretty quick. Well, he's always kind of been like a... Yeah, but it was like... Nah, absolutely that quickly. But when you hear him talking, though, when you hear him talking

and he's essentially telling the stories and then he, the first time they show him, he's being craven. Like, when you hear him talking and he's talking about the fact that he's a Targaryen and the whole thing and then all of a sudden they walk in and he shuts the fuck up.

Exactly. And all of his hubris is gone right away. He's craving. And so you would, would expect he's he's he's he's craving when he's I'm not trying to change you guys his opinion no sure but when he's when he's running what's his dragon's name again? Silver one?

When he's running from Silver Wing when he's being he's being kind of cowardly you can tell like it's in his DNA to kind of start feeling himself but it didn't seem a little cartoon like how he was acting it was like funny the comic relief was funny but it was almost like he's cartoonishly villainous now where I do feel like in Game of Thrones like you could tell that someone was a villain but they got to a little bit more time on screen

to be a fully realized character. And right now, Oof is kind of like... Which, by the way, like, I like the time that we've had leading up to this point. Like, we've gotten a taste of what he is, but to know that this is now going to be him

until he's really, like, his character is actually challenged by these other big personalities that the Tigarians are putting in front of it. Like, this is what I'm trying to say. You guys understand what you're saying. And I'm just... You're saying we don't know him well enough,

but you don't like them. version of him that you got. So this is you knowing him. Sure. Yeah. Like, so, no, but here's a thing. You never knew him before. Like, you, you never knew him before. This is the first time you get, this is off.

No, yeah, but. So why, what's, why wouldn't it make sense? Because I think the jump, just like acting wise, story wise is it's like, all right, to your point, we introduced him at the bar. He's a little craven. He's cowardly. He runs away from Silver Wing. And then immediately, it's just like, the show is like blinking lights.

They're just like, this is the fucked up one. Look at him. He doesn't respect Reniro. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, this to me could have just been done a little with a little bit more sophistication for me to like buy this. Instead, it's just like, they're just speed running through this fucking. I don't know. We cooked.

I don't know because we cooked as a watching society. To vet. No, no, no. Wait. We like, we, like, we, we're like, he's the same guy. imagine like, again, he was living in slums, was going to the thing,

shuts up when Agon, he was talking all types of cash. Agon throws through this is straight man. Now he's got a dragon. He's feeling himself like crazy. I'm the man, who can tell me what to do? Jace come through. He's like, who's this boy?

Actually, that's just Sarah Valoran. Oh, my fault, gee, my fault champ, all this, da-da-da. Then they're at the dinner with Renera. Oh, let me get those three birds, three birds. Hey, a knight would comport himself at the queen's table. Make me a night then.

A lot of dip on the boy's chip. We've known that from the jump. Now he's got a dragon. He can like back it up to some extent. I don't see how that's too far of a stretch. Back it up. It's a fucking, all right, I'm not going to belabor this point. A lot of this episode.

Like I didn't think, like I said, I didn't think the episode was bad. It was just like a lot of yada, yada, yada shit. And I was just like, oh, you either needed a couple more episodes to book end this season or just the way that you divvy up the pacing of this season. Just add two more.

If we're gonna end on the Dragon Writers, I would like to know a little bit more about the Dragon Writers once they have the Dragons and they're like, well, you'll get that in season three. And I'm like, well, then they're just random. Like even when Renera like picks,

what's his face, Adam, right? Part of me was just like, wait, we haven't had enough time yet with Reneer or Adams' relationship for me to even know why she's just like, all right, you. Right. I mean, in episode seven,

he like bent in me immediately and she was like, are we cool, you know? He was like, I don't want to serve you, all this stuff. I'd pick somebody. She's not picking her son.

She don't mess with him. Why don't she pick the motherfucker with the second biggest dragon after Vagar? Vermeter, he don't know he like that. She just met you. You know what I have?

You know what question I have, though? How long does it take to learn how to ride a dragon? That's what I want to know. The dragon's like an iPhone. It's like pretty intuitive. Like it teaches you how to do it. That's the only thing I would ask.

But I've been asking that for a couple of, so the dragon basically does all the work. Basically. And you can like, be like, yo, Jacaris or, you know, hey, we got to do this. Like you remember? Do you know to say that? Well, no, but you got to learn that.

That's what. But Renier was saying that the thing. She's like, all right, y'all don't got much time. Learn all the commands. We're rolling out. And I'm just like, actually, what I want to see. in this season is them training with their dragons because I'm like, oh, before they fly off,

hey, it can't be that easy to just get up on a dragon and learn how to fly it all this shit. It obviously is. It obviously is. It obviously is. Danny, remember, was a Drogon, right? Like, Drogon was in that trip and all of a sudden, Drogoon goes, hey, mom.

And Danny gets up there, and all of a sudden, Danny doing don't know something that motherfucker. I don't know, John Snow got up up on that fucking dragon and he wasn't doing so he's like,

this is a little shaky. You know what I'm saying? It's the biggest non-important nitpicking question, but I'm like, how do you get saddles on?

Of the dragons? Who puts the saddles on them? It will usually... For wild, Untamed Dragons. Bermathor had a saddle on him. The dragonkeepers, right?

Dragonkeepers probably do it. Yeah, you see those big exactly. The sticks did they have? Yeah, those very effective sticks. Very effective. You know, I always say something real quick.

Y'all, there's a lot of hating on these dragging keepers. And it's all valid. I don't understand it is the weirdest and worst job. They could do a whole show about them. I can make a worse play for

Orwhile having the worst job in Westress. Who? Orwhile. Who is Orwell? Mr. Orwell. Oh, yeah, that's pretty bad. It's not a great job. Not a great job.

Specifically his job. Yeah, healing people with cabbage is not. Not great. Cabbage. Smuggle me across the river. I need to talk to Rittenera. Oh, that person were at Warwick? Sure, I guess.

Split open like a burnt sausage. If we're going to be really positive, though, the, I think, one of the best scenes and also the funniest scenes was Sir Kirsten Cole. This motherfucker was smelling the hang. I was just like, hey, bro. No, I have the quote.

He loves her. Desire for women has brought me nothing but grief after grief. If that's not a future sample, I don't know what it is. But also, it was like, Gwen comes over, and he's about to kill this motherfucker.

Hey, yo, Chris Nicole's like, damn, nothing really matters. We all about to die. And, like, wait, like, damn, he's, right. He's a nigga spitting. Yeah. But he sits down, like, I can't even argue with you, man.

He gamed the shit out of him. He was already coming over to, hey, yo, you fucking my sister? Yeah, but let me tell you why it don't matter. By the way. That's exactly what he did. Everybody, by the way. You're fucking, everybody.

Yeah, where it's kept seeking arrest. But, hey, like, think about that. Somebody come up. Watch yourself. Okay. Think about that. Go on sleep band. Somebody, somebody come up to you and they say,

yo man, are you fucking my sister? And they'd be like, yeah, but that's the least of your problem. Have a seat. Let's talk about this real quick. Let's talk about life. He won. I thought that was what I like this thing. I think for me,

what I needed was because for me, there had been a lot of things that questions have been answered throughout the season. To me, that's what a season of time. television does, it asks questions, and then it answers questions. A season finale has to ask more questions. Because it has to get you to come back. So it has to ask more questions.

So the questions that were asked in the season, the biggest ones were, A, the question about how are they going to get the Dragon Riders themselves, right? Where they were going to come from? That was answered before. Damien and Renair's relationship, how that was going to shake out. Was there ever going to be the confrontation between Corlis and Allen?

I have been waiting for that. Oh, that was so good. I've been waiting for that for at least because they're keeping it cool. But every time they have an interaction, Corlis goes just a little bit further. He gets a little bit more. comfortable with him.

He gets a little bit more familiar with him to where he slightly starts to try to parent him. And I'm thinking to myself the whole season, when is he going to have enough of this? And watching him finally break, after he goes,

I'm trying to help you, I thought it was a powerful scene, like a really powerful scene. Yeah, no. They start off talking. It's this unspoken, unsaid thing. And then he gets to the point and was like, look, I'm not trying to hear this from you. I mean, he was a different. break my heart when he was just like,

hey, yo, look, I had to see your actual kids running through with the furs getting sweets. I was starving. I'm like,

my man, he'd been waiting to say this shit his whole time. He had in a tuck. He had that thing and that was his monologue. It was like a list.

He's like, all right, this how you ain't shit, this how you ain't shit, fuck you, fuck your mama, fuck everything. I was like, God damn.

And there was something that was unsaid in that whole thing. Them kids was light skin. Yeah. When he said you got the furs, I'm like, you make you light skin. It was something that was unsaid. This was a whole, that whole scene was really the Wesley Snipes versus

Sharmar Moore back and forth that went on in the 90s. When Wesley came out on top. You know what I mean? No. Okay. So it was all about light skinness. Right. It was Christopher Williams.

It was Al B. Sure. You know, Chocolate Brothers was down. bad. You know what I'm saying? It was down bad. And then Wesley came out, Passenger 57,

like always been on black, kicking, punching, then he was in dramas. And man, dark-skinned brothers, we started taking over the rest of the 90s.

Then Zell chose a side because he's kind of in the middle. All right, then. But I'm telling you, when Alan was watching them kids, no, he was hot.

He was like, Look at them cream-colored motherfuckers over there with these sweetmeats. Yo, straight up. Hey, what's going on with the sweetmeats? You got to be, hey, yo, you got to pass the paperback test and get some sweetmeats or what? We got some sweetmeats over here. And the whole time, he's looking at his dad and he thinks his dad likes these kids because they light-skinned. I'm telling us apart.

I mean, also, but he didn't get his look back when he's like, hey, yo, why would I even want to be your son? Your light-skinned son die. when my skin daughter died your wife died oh my god damn you suck dad bro I love that shit I love that whole scene

because corbara corlis somebody gotta take over behind this I don't bro I'm not one of them I'm still your father type niggas clearly you gotta put the work in you know what I'm saying

be there it's like hey I ain't seen you in 19 years I'm still your father and you will respect me I kick you in your ass but to be fair Corlis is getting mixed messages because the other son is like

hey I'm in the castle now all that shit is in the past they both gonna come back to Corlis it's gonna be one happy dark skin family it's gonna be they all they all coming back to it's gonna end up but once again all just aside I thought that scene was

real powerful was really powerful I mean I guess there have been certain aspects of the show that I haven't bought into Agon and Laird I don't know. I thought that seemed worked. I like them. I mean, it worked. I kind of don't care what happens to Agon. I'm not going to lie.

Every since he got burned, I'm like I mean, that's what the entire room is like. But I like the idea of Oh my goodness. Laris? Laris, yes, building him back up from nothing. I like that he sees a little bit in him while also playing to his own ends and wanting to position himself in the annals

of power a bit more, but also using that as a connection point for somebody who is broken. And he wants to build up and make trust. And he's like, we got to get the fuck out of here. You're going to dive from at the hands of your brother. And all this is fucked right now.

You've got to like lay in the cut for a minute and come back. I ain't going to hold y'all. Lairz wasn't talking about shit. Like I'm not about to like go get up in this wagon travel for thousands upon thousands of miles. Or do what? He was like when you come back, you're going to be

the greatest. I'm like, Larry's get the fuck up. As opposed to what now? The thing with Laris is there's a whole bunch of mystery who, like, is he out of, is he in it for himself or is he actually looking out for somebody? But there's always a kernel of truth in there. And the kernel of truth is, is that Amon's going to kill him. Like, he survived the dragon fire. He survived, Rook's rest. Amos going to come back and finish a job.

Yeah. We all know that's true. If you stay here, Amon will kill you. And even, even Agon was like, ah, guys got a point. I can't really make my own decisions at this point I gotta make the call I don't know if you've heard I don't exactly

There's three new dragons Ah, it's looking bad Amin was running around doing a whole lot Nothing in this episode He was he was just Fucking scared as fuck When he went to Haleda After he burns the whole city

How you gonna have Helaida boss up on you She's like, get the fuck up on my face Elena is just want to be alone with my bugs Honestly Helena's the smartest one out of all Oh my God yes I'm like, I am, my ass is not getting up on this train. I'm not, I don't ride no dragons.

I don't burn no people. I am here to talk to my bugs and die. That's it. She, and do my witch stuff. It's funny, what you say about layers, right? And the fact that he uses the truth. And that's kind of a hidden theme of the show.

Because, like, someone who can lie to get what they want is dangerous. Someone who can use the truth to get what they want is powerful. There's two different things. And, like, Helena, is powerful. She's a powerful character. She knows, because she's such a blank slate, she really knows what everybody has going on.

Yeah. But she's not angling for anything. And because she's not, everyone has a different relationship with her. Like, Amon finally went too far. Why? Because he attacked her. She then had, and that wakes Allison up.

Like, oh my God, if this particular person is in trouble, if we've gotten to the point to where we are even failing to protect her who doesn't want any of this stuff, then we know that things have gone too far. Then when she's talking to him, she's like, what are you going to do? So what are you going to do? You're going to burn me up the same way you did him? And the most important thing, it won't change anything. Yeah, who's like, she knows she's the only one that is completely resigned to whatever

happens. everybody else has a specific way that it has to go for them or they lose. She doesn't have that. She's the only one that's kind of just living. She knows what's going to happen. She kind of should be walking it up. She told him, she was like, hey man,

the gods eye. You disappear. Nobody ever sees you again. He's like, cool. Can you still write this dragon? Like, I mean, and then even in the scene before, she's talking to Damon through Alice, through the wherewood, whatever.

Like, she's got a lot going on in terms of her position in the story. She sees everything laid out. She's kind of like, hey, look, whatever's going to happen is going to happen. Whether I live or whether I die, that changes nothing in the story. And to me, this is like, if I want to expand on this, this is kind of what I get very frustrated with when Game of Thrones, House of the Dragon, this IP in general kind of starts to like get high on its own supply a little bit when it comes to prophecy. and I called it Metagaming its own narrative where it is so aware of like the big

grandiosity of the story that it's telling that all characters seem to be caught up in is talking about doing those things rather than a story being told. And I feel like that's what I get tripped up on on an episode like this where characters seem to only be actually motivated by importance of prophecy.

And unless that's very well laid out to me, I don't connect with it. at all. I couldn't agree more. Once the, there's too much prophecy shenanigans going on. I'm like the interesting part of this series. There was very little of it though. But the entire of Damon's arc being the only reason that he will now bend the knee to Reneer is because he has been given this grand vision, basically Agon, the Dreamers vision of the Song of Ice and Fire. This is like, this is after like 50, I'm not,

by the way, I'm not saying that that's wrong. I'm sorry. I didn't mean it's more so it's like when they start going into the prophecy and they start using the prophecy sometimes to spackle over and explain away shit. That's where I'm just like, I, from what I've heard, a lot of this is a show invention, where I'm just like, the interesting crux of this show is how this family disintegrates and them fighting over a throne and all of the small folk in the realm having to be fodder for that. When you start throwing in, well, this one is now on this side because they finally saw the prophecy and they know the Knight King is coming

and they saw Danny. I'm just like, I already know that this show is connected to Game of Thrones. I already know Winter is coming. To me, I'm like, do I buy that Damon, like, his whole character changes? Just because he has a vision? I don't know.

Well, he had multiple visions. I was about to say, it wasn't one vision, though. And by the way, if he'd have had one vision, sure. If he'd had one vision, his visions have been increasingly fucking with his head to the point. He's been stripping his ego away. That's what I'm saying.

And we've talked about it. That's what I'm saying. Either you buy what's been going on with Damon or you kind of don't. Because these visions have been, not just this, been also getting more personal. They've had more depth.

They've been getting weirder. It's his mother. It's his mother. It's his. brother, it's the end of his life, it's all of these things. Even when he said, you know, this place I'll have you barking at the moon, he seems pretty resigned to whatever's going on in Harron Hall and how it's affecting him. So by the time he gets to the vision that he has in the finale, it seems to be the one that made all the other ones kind of make more sense. Right. And either you

believe in that or you kind of don't. And I think for the most part I do. And maybe they didn't. And maybe they didn't make it work. Maybe they didn't. No, for sure. Maybe they didn't tell a good story. But, like, it just felt so indicative of late stage Game of Thrones. Yeah. To where, this, by all means, this season finale is much better than anything that the end

parts of Game of Thrones did when it comes to, like, believing its own prophecy in the story and yada, yada. That, like, that's fine. But, like, I just, it's such a trigger for me when it comes to Game of Thrones, like, activating their characters because of something that isn't fully materialized to them. rather than being activated by the things and stakes that are in front of them. Like what would have done that for Damon? That I'm not entirely sure.

I'm not saying that I don't like this turn for Damon because I feel like this was ultimately worthwhile. But when we have so many characters like the Hellenus of the world, also in the ears of those other people, I'm starting to feel like, okay, I understand that the strings of fate and all of these things can be interesting themes to pull on. but stripping characters of their agency too much, in my opinion, will start to lose me. Because here's a thing that doesn't actually make a lot of sense to me is when we, in the penultimate episode, Damon already kind of understands that he is not meant to rule.

Like he's like, the River Lords damn near. He gets punked in front of them. And like they bend the knee to him, but nobody believes that he's king. They're following him because they're just like, all right, we made this promise to Vassaris and Vesaris to name Reneer and all this stuff. Once Reneer

comes back and he learns you rose up an entire dragon army, what is Damon going to really do? When all the other river lords are just like, we're not bending the need of Reneer. I'm like, I get that you could maybe say that like, oh, they don't really like believe

in her as queen or whatever. But I'm just like, they didn't believe in Damon either. So like, why now are they all like, we're not doing shit until he I'm like y'all don't respect him. He was the one that put the work in in the Riverlands to like okay they follow who do I follow

okay my wife's here we're gonna maybe I'm misreading it they don't like Damon he's fucked up so much that they're like he's committed war crimes here we get it but we're only following you because of our promise to the series I think that's that's ultimately true I think we're missing a big thing here is that

this entire everything the books the movies or the TV shows all of it is about the prophecy. It's about Asa Fire. That's where it all starts. That's how things have to move. I don't know what to tell you.

That's the single driving. That right there. The misreading, a prophecy misread could have been. Sure, sure. That is the single driving force to this entire feud. And I know that this is a bit more

of a personal beef that I have by these books not being finished. A fire and blood. Fire and blood is finished. Yes, Fire and Blood is technically finished. Yeah. Song of Ice and Fire is not. Yes.

And Fire and Blood is technically a third, fourth, and fifth-hand account of in-canon characters that were not there with their own biases and unreliable narrators, et cetera, et cetera. And the dramatic nuance and character development that is left in the margins for the readers and audience to surmise by themselves are filled in by the show. And the things that we don't really jive with or aren't really. fabricated enough to what we think is plausible, start to lose me a little bit. I'm gonna be honest, it's corny when once Dave away something,

he's like, I'm part of a bigger story. I'm like, all right, get this shit out of here, bro. But again, not to take away how very amazing that scene with him or nearer was. It's amazing, but it's some brand stark shit where I'm like, bro, I didn't watch the show all this time for them to be like, I'm part of a never-ending story. So you know what you're missing then?

Sure. you're missing, once again, it's the battles. They're not enough battles. I don't think so. Listen, because if Damon would, a lot of John Snow becoming a badass motherfucker that everybody knows that they could follow, it's because you saw John Snow get busy.

Right. You saw John Snow get busy. You saw, like, John made good decisions. John made bad decisions. But you saw John, like, get busy. you saw John in conflict, like earn the respect and the trust of the people that have followed him

and a lot of that happened with John with a sword in his hand. Some of it didn't. But we as the audience also knew him in between those. But a lot of that happened with John with a sword his hand. But guess what? When John was fighting the Night King

or all these CGI fucking ice zombies or whatever, the emotional crux of that wasn't the fights or the battles, the emotional crux is like, okay, he was basically sent by his family to the wall. He has spent all this time with the wildlings. He's seen all this thing. He's built this family. And now he realizes not only is this family in trouble, the family that sent me here is in trouble and the realm is in trouble. And I'm like, so when it starts to get all prophecy of shit, the thing that brings me back to it isn't like the Battle of the Bastards. It's like, oh, like John is one of the only kids.

characters who's thinking of the greater good. For Damon, I'm just like... It's the inverse. For Damon, for Damon, he is one of the only characters from the black. From the blacks, from the black. He's one of the only characters

with the blacks who's thinking about only himself. Now, you can make an argument that they're all kind of thinking of themselves, right? All of these people think that they have the right to rule over all these people's lives. No one's nearly as flawed as James is. But he's not. He is thinking only about himself.

He's thinking about his trauma that he's experienced, the fact that his brother didn't quite believe in. That's kind of the situation between him and Reneira is that she was chosen to lead by the only person whose opinion mattered to him, right? And he chose her because of, not because he didn't love him, but because he wasn't with the whole blowout. So he goes away and literally tries to do it all on his own

until he realizes I'm just not that big of a deal. And once again, I'm not saying, what I'm saying is, I'm not saying that what they did worked because it can only work for the people who are watching it. What I'm saying is they executed it in that we stayed, that we stayed with Damon at times where I wasn't really giving a fuck about what was going on with him. For sure, for sure.

We saw Damon being. powerless. We saw Damon being confused. We saw Damon. He was in insomnia didn't know what was going on. He has been in the wilderness this whole episode. And what he finally, this whole season, and what he finally realized in this episode is that he actually doesn't matter unless he's serving her. Right. And I mean, that's what, that's what he comes to. He really

doesn't matter unless he serve her. But he should have figured that out. Like, because here's the thing, it's like putting a hat on a hat. my motherfucker should have figured that out when he was talking to his brother in the last episode and his brother is basically telling him all of this shit about the crown. And I was like, oh, they're doing it one more time and I was just like, once again,

the scene, I'll put it to you this way. The scene between Rainer and Damon was actually so powerful. I don't actually know if the wherewood shit did anything for me because I was just like him bending the knee and them talking in High Valerian and all that shit, I was just like emotionally I get it now like he doesn't want to do this thing his pride is still in the way

but like he realizes in that moment when her fucking dragon is on top of them he's like all right I got a bending the sheep dragon is out there being himself and they can kill his sheep I love that dragon because he's so he's like he's nuts

the two things that lost me the chariarchy and and Rana I like Rana a lot, cutting back to her. Stop, bro. What was she doing? She's about to go get them. Did she have a snack or a bottle of water or something out there?

She didn't have no plan. She didn't bring any, like, potatoes with her, some me. She's going out there going, she's going to get their dragon, man. Running to get that thing. And thankfully,

she feels a connection to the dragon. And she abandoned them white kids. She's like, y'all be easy. I'm about to get this dragon. I was like, all right, man. I kind of feel like we didn't need to go back to that.

I could have been like a, you know, 12-second scene, like, near the end where it's like, oh, she found Chief Seeler. Cool. Let's keep it pushing. Also, what was going on with Otto? They showed Otto just like, Locked up.

I was like, y'all could have spent a little bit more time with Otto. I want to know what he's up. Where is he? Man, 2010's Acon was great. I mean, that early 2000s? That whole run. That whole run. Hey, another one.

Team Deep, deep black. Hey, that's right. Hey, like, yeah, Acon. Acon has since had some issues. Yeah, we don't need to get into him. I mean, not nothing bad. He just say dumb shit. What happened to Acom?

He just says a lot of dumb shit. I wasn't. He got, he got them hits, though. What happened with Aikon? Nothing. He just says a lot dumb shit. Sometimes he comes. that, you know, we remember he got into

he said something about black American entertainers or something like that. Oh, man. Shout out to the diaspora wars, man. We've been going up the last couple days. Yo, the Olympics. Olympics is great. Shout out to the Dallas. We need the Olympics more.

We need the Olympics more. We ain't chill out. Up the last couple of days. Oh, my goodness. It is nothing like watching two groups to colonize people argue. It's like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, we've been going. Oh, my God. I actually was chill on it until I realized it was actual real beef. It was actual real beef. It was real beef patties in these streets. My boy, no allows, we got the chest over and everybody going crazy. We lost things. Fuck you.

Y'all can't eat no more fried chicken. Y'all can't eat them more jerk chicken. Great. That was insane. Wow. Okay. I like, hey, man, we all black. That's all I'm saying.

We all black. What did you guys think of the triarchy stuff? Wait, right. We're not all black, Joe. We are all black, but we got to get back to this episode. This is what you try to do. This is what you're trying to do. So in division, Joe.

Wait, Jomi. Guys, you're actually not. We're on the same team. No, we're not. We're not like, Chuck, what up. I'll be very clear. Roll the same team. What up.

No, we're not. No, man. Stay over there. This is what you're trying to do. You try to divide us. You try to take our culture. They try to divide us. You're all right.

You're all here. We only take. They gave us scraps and we made us. Yeah. Get to their stuff. Don't do that. Okay, Jome. We're a team.

Let me find out that some of your people was the one making some of them transactions. On the side. Making some of them transactions. Yeah, man, looking through those records, you're like, yo, letting me genitals, bro. Joe, great, great, great, great, great, great, boy. Hey, yo, I trade you four niggers for a goat.

What's up? I got four of them. We had goats. We captured them. Yeah, but they probably had different ghosts in Europe. Yeah. Steve, bro, everywhere your people went. Just havoc.

I was watching Wait, what's your makeup, Steve? Yeah. Where's my family from? Yeah, like what's your German and Italian Oh, that's not a good mix. Yeah.

That's a 1939 no-no right there, baby. Yeah. That's not a good mix, Steve. No. You should have killed with some different shit, Steve. That's some fascism. Anyway, not great. Team green motherfuckers, bro.

Tough. Damn. Who, at this table, who would be Team Green and who would be Team Black? Oh, you already. It's black, man. You team green? Well, they more interested to me.

Oh, you like the Green Team Green is fun. They're fun because they just, they fucked up. Here's the thing, also Renera, I'm going to be honest. She do got the better team. Amon's back is against the wall, but she also filled their team some scrubs, bro. Alf is a scrub. And Amon's turning the whole of the Red Keep just like into a catwalk because he's just walking around the castle just mad.

Talk about Amon real quick. Amon wants to be He hasn't gotten to me To and I don't know if he needs to But I was wondering Was he gonna get to Joffrey Ramsey level heel? No

Was he gonna get there? Is he on his way to that? Because he's a lot of game on. He burning niggas up He Are you don't care? No, no, I'm thinking. You know, I'm thinking.

You know, I'm thinking of a whole village of people. Did you see Steve's face? He said, ah, he burned them up. No, no, no, it wasn't that. Show me some real villain. The reason that we hate Joffrey is because he talks all this shit and nobody can do anything to him. No.

Nobody can check him. We hate him because he's cruel. Yes, and he's cruel. But it's the fact that, like, Joffrey never saw anybody's an equal, and I don't think Amon thinks that either. But he was at least aware of the threats and dangers that came of him. Like, when he ran away from all those dragons,

he took it out on other people, but he was aware of something like, I feel like... You're saying that Amon is more capable than Joffrey. Absolutely. But, okay, so Ramsey is more capable than either one of them. Well, Ramsey never had... If Ramsey had dragons, Jesus Christ. Ramsey was the fucking man.

No, yeah. If Ramsey could fight, he'd be a demon. Remember when Ramsey came out there and he had the knives. He was like, ah, I was like, he about to get fucked up. He did not get fucked up. Here's the thing. Ramsey, though, I don't know if they'll ever make anybody as evil as Ramsey. That was like...

So you were doing a lot. So we have, let's rank them. So we have, we have Joffrey as, we have Ramsey as more evil than Joffrey at this table. Yes, yes. By the, no, by the later seasons of Game of Thrones, I'm like, motherfuckers don't get this motherfucker out of here, bro. Yeah, yeah, y'all got to get.

I was sick of him, bro. I was like, hey, John, yo, handle this shit, bro. What sounds to spend the dogs hunting? Oh, bro. Okay, so let's look at Amman's accomplishments as being, he killed a child, burned him out of the sky. Accident, though.

Was it kind of, was it? Yeah. It kind of was. It was it? It was kind of, I mean, you look at Vagar, right? Remember last episode? He sees three dragons. He's kind of like, hey, we can't mess with it.

Vagar's like, hey, I'm trying to, where's the smoke at, right? Yeah, yeah. What's trying to do? You know, Vagar, she liked to cheat about that action. You know, I feel like Aeman's a little bit more, uh, not callous, but a little more, like, cautious, yeah, in terms of like, eh, we probably can't do that. Vigar is the one who really wants to smoke. So I guess to your point

I feel like he's not quite there as a villain Because there's still a there's a smidgen Of humanity in there What has he done? Like I know he's done like evil shit He's kind of starving Kings Landing He's kind of doing that Doesn't care about starving the people

Burned his brother off of the dragon I mean I think a lot of the shit I think a lot of the The stuff Because we met him when he was so young I really do think that we trauma pain for him and we go, oh my God, we know what he's been through. Even his mom went, when are you going to get rid,

lose all this stuff that happened to you as a kid? But when you look at it, when you look at it, when you just stack it up, I mean, Joffrey was fucking just a bad seed from the beginning. When you stack it all up, he's got some, he's not on their level yet, but he's got some accomplishments. Also, Joffrey was like terrorizing like Sonsa and like characters that we had.

actually care for with like, Amon is like, it wasn't until this episode. Yeah. He did that shit to Helena. And like, Helena is not Sonsa. Like, Helena's able to be like,

She's the queen. Yeah, like, I'm the queen. Like, there's only so far you're going to go. Burn me if you want. Nothing will change. Yeah. Where I think Aiman has not done,

he has not done that one deed that would put him in the drop Joffrey Ramsey level for me as a viewer where it's like totally fuck him. Because the show actually does a brilliant thing where it's like this entire season, it's like, damn, how they're going how they're going to stop Vagar, how they're going to stop Vagar? And then by the end of this, I'm just like, how's A-Bin going to stop all those dragons over there? And now I'm fascinated because I'm like, Team Green,

what, they got like three dragons? And one of them don't even want to fly. Jim Fires, like, parked. We see Tessarion at the end there. So it's really two against, like, what, eight at this point? Sir Christa Cole at this point is just like, hey, man. Which, by the way, didn't we, don't you remember when we all hated him?

at the beginning of this season. And now we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, there, buddy. Whoa there, 1939. The worst person you know, it's had a good point. Yeah, that's it.

At one good point. Congratulations. That's still my opinion. I'm not saying right or good or redeemable. I'm saying interesting. It's a Christa Cole. I was just like,

it's my man now. That nihilism shit, I hell here. He might have changed, though. The way he was getting this shit off, just fucking chopping the sword or cleaning the, well,

whatever he was on, he might have changed. I mean, it was the sick of shit. It was the future shit, whereas he's like, he's like, damn, the only joy I get is sniffing this handkerchief. Which, by the way... The sword doesn't mean nothing.

He puts the syrup back down. And cleans it that same rat. Which, by the way, he's been cleaning that. He's been cleaning with that rag since we saw it with the lemons. So he's been smelling that blood. He hasn't been smelling her. He's been smelling that blood.

And whatever it takes, breath, sometimes you just need your imagination. You know what I mean? He's down bad, clearly. Clearly the man. problems. Yes. You just need what, Joe? You use your imagination?

Use your imagination. For what? Sex positive podcast. Is it... So, Jomey, what you're saying is, you just jack off raw. With nothing playing in the background, like nothing.

There's some serial killer ass shit, bro. That's nuts. That's a serial killer ass shit. You need to tell me somebody just in their room just, just like, jacking off raw is like that worst thing with over. No, there's nothing. Just like, just just like, just like, just like, just like,

It was the worst three words we've ever set up on the podcast. And imaginary. You can't, Joomi, I'm going to be honest with you, bro. Jomi, if I found out that you're doing that. I'm going to talk to talk about. Bro, that's it, bro. It's too much. I can see if it was, I could see if it was like,

I don't know. It's like summer camp back in the day or something and everybody's left the cabin. And you don't got no Wi-Fi or nothing. But it's really no reason to do that. It would have to be a choice now, Jome. Man, so the chariarchy, guys. You said it.

Jome. I just want to let people know. This is my problem. Jomey said it. Jomey said. For Christi Gull. Jomey said St. Oh, your soul.

Just for Christi Cull. Jomey rubs his sword and he uses his imagination. That's a new nickname. Like, that's a new nickname. Jomey uses his imagination. Bro, Jomey, you're sick. That's what's being hit in. under the under all of the

that she started when you was in San Diego for college Wow I need you guys to relax you said it For Chris to call You didn't do with me you No you didn't say some You didn't say some You didn't say Christmas Cole

You said you didn't say sometimes Chris and Cole uses his imagination You said sometimes you gotta use your imagination This is why you get bricked up in the theater This is why you get broke up in the theater This is why you getting bricked up in the theater You're sick You might just use your imagination

Look, bro. Jomey, you're sick. Dog, you are sick, bro. Nah, you need help. I'm serious. I'm serious. There's a lot going on. Let's see why everybody, like, tries to come down on me.

There's a lot going on. Because I'll just admit it. I'll have 30 tabs over. 30 is insane. I don't have 30 tabs. Bro, boy, I wish. I can show you the tabs. I have 30 tabs open.

Don't need 30 tabs. You need 30 tabs for. I have 30 tabs, right? Because I got edit. That's just ADHD. I got ADD. I get bored quick. All right, dang, hit no nothing.

Move on. Or, you use the same tab. You'll be in the video and then you'll see a video, a suggested video under, and you'll be like, oh, shit. Christ, alive. What did you say? What did you say? Your stepfather isn't home? All right.

Jesus. Let's move on. It's funny. It's funny. It's funny. You know, it's funny to me. I get off, I'll get off this after this. But it's funny that, you know, we're watching the show.

Steve's obviously uncomfortable. We're watching the show. And the show is, you know, like literally, guys, just to let people know everybody who's going to go to the midnight boys are getting horny. Like four episodes ago, Damon fucked his mother. I'm just saying, I mean, not Damon.

Yeah, he did. Four episodes ago. It was a dream. It was a dream. It was a dream. It was hallucinating. All right, man. All right.

All right, brother. You freaky ass. Yeah, y'all fans, bro. Let's get to me out. As if that makes it. Let's let's let's see it out of here. Better. No.

You definitely said it made it better. I stopped better. Just, you know, it was a dream. Is that what your imagination is doing over there, Jeremy? Oh, my God, Jomey. This is a bad Jomey episode. This didn't work out. We're so far off the path, and it's because of Jomey, this is a bad Jomey episode.

Yeah, you glitched out, bro. Yeah, you glitched out, you know what? Joe, you're good, you good. Very good. And you need them. Yeah. I know why you be up in church every Sunday now, Jomey. You need them.

Jesus. Damn, you need to be sanctified. God. Damn. Tryarchy, man. Tryarchy, man. Talk about it. Go ahead.

We didn't really need that. It's your show. Jomey. That was, like, I, again, that's finale. Literally the other stuff, I think all of it works is a send-off for season three. We're getting right up to, like, a big moment in the series. The tragic stuff, that's where I'm like, ah, I can agree with that.

I don't feel like that. been earlier. Just to start it with a character that we never really cared about. I can agree with that. Just to start a character we've never met. Yeah. It's like, characters. It's like we never really cared about that's kind of a Game of Thronesy thing is that the only reason why we're even investing into that character is because he's a lanister and because we want, oh, he's haughty, he's part. We've seen them before. Don't get me wrong. He's been around. But didn't really care about his adventures that much is for him to get a And it's pure plot reasons as to why we're forced to be there as an audience because, okay, he needs to glad hand the triarchy because they need a naval fleet to storm across the blockade and he's got to get into the good graces of the pirates. He's got to do some mud wrestling. Was it funny? Did you laugh?

It was funny when she's like, I need you to fuck my wives. And he's like, that was funny. I thought she was the freaky woman at first. Like I thought she was trying to get down with the land of service. She's like, I got these wives out here. Like, they need to be impregnated. And he was like, that sounds interesting. Yeah. Like, tell me more. I'm intrigued by your proposal. He's about to go into the ship and hit some of that ginseng.

See? See. Y'all never used the ginseng? I'm just. All right, man. Let's get to the middle. All right. But once again, no.

But once again, no. Hey. Hey, but once again, no. But once again, though, what's wrong with that? You take that. Gin Zin. It's no edible pack. I'll tell you that.

Animal pack. But what's wrong with that? Y'all never heard that ginseng before? Christ, alive, man. Hold on, hold on. I got a call. No. Whoa.

What? Arjuna. You've heard about ginseng and what it does. It's got good. It's good for you, right? We need, okay, hashtag get Vansome's sleep. Christ, a lot. He needs to rest.

All right. Charles. Midnight. Meador. Midnight meter. Ginseng. Y'all know what it is. Mm-hmm. Oh, my God. One, terrible, 12 off

that ginseng. Super. Stop. We never gave, I just remember, we never gave our, did we give her midnight meter for last season? Hot D. We didn't do a pod last. I'm not sure. I can't remember. I can't remember. I'm certain that we would. I didn't look it up.

One, terrible. 10, pretty good. 11 and 12 reserved for absolute game changers. Let's start with the Mint Boys, Jomey, Midnight Meter for House of the Dragon Season 2. House of the Dragon Season 2. I think I'm going to go with a... Go with a 9.

Okay. I think there was so, so much good in this season. Obviously, the stuff at Rick's Rest and the Red Soaring obviously were great. But I thought the performances, the acting were exceptional this season, despite the fact that there was, you know, again, not a ton of action. I think the stories and the people carried me through this year. So I'm going to give it in mind. I am going to give it a nine as well.

I mean, in spite of this season finale, which is really it's only, if not its biggest stumble, in my opinion for the entirety of the season, most of what it gave us was pretty exceptional. A definite step up from season one, and I think if it carries on this trajectory, it's probably going to be ushering itself with some of the best of Game of Thrones in due time.

I'm going to 10. Okay. This was some of the best stuff I've seen. You know what? I meant to say this. I compare this season finale. It's not as good, but it's not. I compare this season finale almost a little bit with the Shogun season finale.

I can see this. The Shogun season finale is better. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, no. Okay. It's waiting for you to say that. No, it is better. However, it was still a little bit of a come down.

Sure. Underwhelming, because they yada, like, the lat, you're like, oh, they're about to have a war. And they're just like, no, but you explain a way, but the way that you explain that in front of Yabashiga, we won't get into the, but like, that was incredible. Yeah. So we can't spoil Shoga?

I'm over it. No, no, it's not on you. You're being, Steve. What? What you just did was great. Okay. And the people out there, that we're going to watch Shogun, they owe you.

Watch Shogun. Guys, watch you know. Wait, wait. No, because are getting on us now for even saying. Or some shit like that. Like, bro, bro. Nah. We got to have a conversation.

If you haven't gotten to, if you haven't gotten around, Steve did the right thing. I would like to praise Steve, the architect, almond. He did the right thing. They get mad at us even when we say, spoiler alert. If you haven't gotten around

to Shogun by now, you don't give a fuck about Shogun. I'm sorry. That shit. What that shit? come out February, March or something like that. Give out forever ago. Bro, if you haven't watched it now, that shit didn't make 20 days the second season.

Everybody didn't get to giving away Emmys now. They're going crazy. Everybody from Shogun about to be in Marvel movies and go be James Bond villains. They're out of here. It's over. I would not be surprised if old girl is a bond girl from Shogun. Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.

She's up. It's over. It's out. She's done. And you haven't watched it yet. You don't fucking care. Clearly. You don't fucking care about Shogun.

Please watch Shogun. It's an amazing show. We're going to do a whole fucking show. Just spoiling the Shogun. Fuck y'all. Charles, what's your midnight meeting? Strong 8. Okay.

Yeah. Like, it was like good season, improvement over season one. I think it's all up from here. But they just stumbled a little bit. But even if I did not like the season finale that much, I don't think it derailed the entire season. It was just more so I'm like, okay,

they still have some stumbling blocks. The show needs 10 episodes. Yeah. I think they need 10 episodes. I can agree with that. The eight is going to work. If anybody gets an Emmy from this season of television, who is it? Emma Darcy.

Emma Darcy, for sure. They're incredible. Awesome. Really, really good. Great acting. All right. That's a wrap. This Tuesday House of R gives you their epic deep dive on the House of the Hot D season finale.

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Teenage mutant ninja On the half shell. Heroes four. With the Bev. With the Bev. baking a good cheese. Bigging a cheese. We outside.

We outside. We all are outside. We also. The best. Um, our producers of Steve, the architect, Armin.

Jade Waley. And Victoria, Valencia. Wow. I never knew that that was your last name. Victoria Valencia? You're like a Marvel character. Jesus Christ. Victoria Valencia by day. She works at Spotify. By night. She is Spotify woman. Anyway. And Jomi to Explaner Adirond. Hashtack the Imaginarium of Jomi Adiron. I'm glad you guys are having fun. You're a freak dog.

I'm glad you guys have fun. Jomey the freak dog a dinner on is going to be your, for at least two shows. You're a freak hashtag freak dog. When I say dog, I mean D-A-W-G. Oh, man. You're a freak dog. Additional production from Arjuna, the Watcher, Rangapal. Chuck takes up.

Hot D is over. Band just got in from the station. And I hope for all of you, like Jome, use a little bit more of your imagination. Steve, we got to figure out, you got to do the song, man. Oh, they're clay. They're clamoring for not like us, Steve. How can we do this?

In what way should we prepare? I mean, it's really simple. We just put in front of a mic, we have the instrumental go, and you wrap. You just do the whole song? I feel like we could do it bigger. You feel like we can do a bigger? I don't know how, but we can find a way.

Okay, we'll figure some up. What do you want to do? I don't know. I don't know. I feel like we need to make it count is what I mean. We take them down to Compton. All right. We take them down and we film him in front of, oh my gosh. Just recreate the video?

We'll take you to Compton City Hall. Okay. And we have you the video there. Speaking of problematic things, how's that problematic, man? Why is that problematic? Why is it problematic for Steve? Yeah, the dude.

Bringing Steve to Compton and having him do not like us karaoke? That's not problematic. They're not going to fuck with you at all. No. One Steve gets a hair on his head touched in Compton, the whole LAPD in Compton. Jomey go down there and do it in Compton.

They'll fuck Jomey up. Charles, maybe me. They fuck you up in Compton. Well, I'm certified. They're not fucking me up. No, they don't know. It's tough to fuck you up. USA today. USA today.

He was a regular person that went to Compton. Just a normal guy, man. He's a normal guy. He liked to larp. Oh, NABJ. It was cool. I feel like Trump kind of ruined it. Oh, for real?

Oh, you did? Just a little bit. Because there were a lot of my friends and people who wanted to do panels, do different panels. But then they pulled out of the panels. Because they were upset. Because of what happened. And I actually feel like NABJ was vindicated because of how Trump imploded at the panel for having them up there. I feel like it actually, the reasons why you would interview Donald Trump in that type of forum at NABJ, he kind of showed the reason why America needs to see his craziness.

I don't know. We're at home. It's bad. It's a, hey, it goes either way. Depends on how you look at it. I get it. It's not cutting dry. But I do feel like they were vindicated, but that shit kind of put a damper on NABJ as far as I was concerned.

But, like, it was still cool. You was going to Cubs games? Oh, it was great. You were rocking out. Rigley's great. Oh, man, Wrigley. Piquots? Piquots?

Never said, get some beepish? They got, no, I didn't do none of that. I barely ate the whole trip. I barely ate the whole trip. I was running around. Lake Michigan about to pass out. Like, why am I, because I haven't need anything. Look, I'll say this.

Got to take you up to Chicago. Yes, you do. Yes. You know what you did to my Saturday morning? I take you up to Chicago. I threw my entire day, bro. The white ladies, oh, man. Dude, you need to go.

It's like a dairy farm. Land a lake's up there? The white ladies next to Lake Michigan, they were like, charm me, chame, chame, chame, I can't imagine they were doing that. I'm telling you, bro. White Midwestern sea, because, That's your problem. You, the, you like, you try to go for the SC white girls out here.

Ah, bro. You need a, you of Illinois, champagne white shit. He's going for the San Diego milk. You need him. You need him. You need Guarkegan, Aurora. That's the kind of milk you need. I'm a coastal elite milk.

Yeah. Wow. I'm sorry. I'll be honest with you. Coasterly leap my ass. I think Chicago is the best. I think Chicago is just as nice as any of them goddamn cities. Chicago's shit in all San Diego

And I fuck with San Diego No, you don't Not really San Diego cool I shout out to San Diego A lot of thigh tattoos