The Ringer-Verse - ‘House of the Dragon’ Season 3, Episode 4 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: July 13, 2026

The Boys are back, and they’re starting off in Tumbleton! They give you all of their thoughts on ‘House of the Dragon’ Season 3, Episode 4, diving into Daemon and Rhaena’s relationship, Rhaenyra’s waning patience, and Ormund Hightower’s schemes with Daeron. (0:00) Intro (19:15) Spoilers ahead (21:02) ‘House of the Dragon’ Season 3, Episode 4 reactions (1:21:17) Outro Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris and Devon Baroldi Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopowell New 2k+ doorbells, coming to your front door Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Shop the new Blink 2K video doorbells at Amazon.com slash blink. You guys might have heard this news, but we are thrilled to formally announce that the Midnight Boys, along with the rest of the Ring Reverse crew, all your faves are going to be at Comic Con this year. Your suspicions. True. We will once again join forces with House of R. We're talking a meet and greet at Whiskey Girl. We're talking a live panel. It is going to be amazing.

We're kicking off festivities on July 23. with a ring of verse fan meet up at a whiskey girl at 6.30. You don't need a badge. If you're in San Diego, come hang with us. Grab a bite, grab a drink, come hang with your boys. Word. And then on Saturday morning at 1030, badge holders can find us at room A, B, on the upper level of the convention center.

And we're going to be joined by House of R with a group panel discussion. We're going to be talking about all of the things that dominated nerd culture this year. Yo, so whether you're local to San Diego or you're coming through for a Comic-Con. We would love to see you at the panel, the meet and greet, or potentially both. All right. So just so you guys know, Whiskey Girl is July 23rd. That's a Thursday. And that's at 630. That is for the fans. You don't have to be a badge holder. However, if you are a badge holder, then Saturday the 25th, you can come to Comic Con and we got a panel going on. We're going to talk about nerd stuff. So badge holders, non-badge holders, no badge holders. No

Lobels, lowborns, everybody can hang out. Small folk, it don't matter what kind of you can hang out with us, our niggas. I was gonna say the other word, but I can't say that. I'm not gonna say that one, shout out to all the women. You guys, everybody, come see us in San Diego. Welcome into the Ringiverse. This is of course the Ringers' Nexus podcast feed

for all things fandom. We are, Steve, the architect Almond, the builder and tinker of things. Jomi, explain her at dinner on. You've got questions. He's got answers. Old man, Van, he of the receding resurgent, hair line, Coke, baby Chuck the 24-car closet. Together we are known as,

our midnight, boys. We'll be right back after this. Shout out to Alea and Devin in the back, CT. Jamie, everyone back there. They'd be working. Like, it's summertime at the ringer. Oh. They get in.

It's a lot of hours. It's a lot of hours. In two weeks, we will go to Comic-Con. And this will be the time that I show my love for the crew. I got something special playing for them. This is a surprise? For the crew. Wow.

For the crew. We're about to go crazy. Wait, who's the crew rolling out to Comic-Con? I think Alia's going. Okay. Carlos is going. Carlos. Carlos is coming.

Shout to Carlos. I think we got some people coming. We need to move like the woo. Because, like, when we out there, we really be all over, like, not. We need to like come. Charles, you know our schedule. We're going to have fun. You're going to be able to come out and hang out with the Midnight Boys and the House of

R and the entire Ring of Earth's family at Comic Con. And I'm letting you know. If you come with some weird shit, I'm busting your ass. And when I said this before. I don't mean like physically, people are like, Van, are you threatening to beat up the people for, no, I'm not saying that. You're trying to beat up the nerds at Comic-Con? I'm not.

I might get my ass well. I'm not saying. that. What I'm saying is, if I will respond with reciprocal weirdness and being on your ass to people that are weird and being on your ass. And I'm going to tell you guys right now, you cannot out weird van. You think you can't. Some people care. They did last year. I will say just really quick, because it was Anime Expo here in L.A. And a lot of my friends who went are just like, dog, the vibes are different. It's not really community no more. It's gotten too big. The anime motherfuckers jumping on the ship. So Comic-Con, don't come with that weird shit. Anime Expo lets him people down. San Diego, it's family, it's unity. Anime is over? No, it's not over, but like, it's a lot of fake niggas jumping on the bandwagon.

They wasn't there. You know what? Oh, my God. Wow, wow, wow. Charles been here. Van just got here. This is what I'm, my therapist told me. My therapist said, Van, I'm giving you one rule.

I've said this on higher learning before. Giving you one rule. You're just not allowed to say, I told you so. My therapist told me, said that's just one rule. You're not allowed to say, I told you so. You needed your therapist to tell you that. Like, I'll learn that. Ben, would you rather be happy or would you rather be right?

We live in a world of I told you so. Podcasts are basically I told you so machines, okay? And I'm not going to partaking it. If I was, I would say some things. I love anime I was the only one on here who liked You bring that Demon Slayer

Name your top five anime Yeah Demon Slayer Right Akira Okay One Punch Man Oh no

Attack on Titan Great Solo leveling Oh shit I think he's just saying You just name He just named You're just naming

I was like No you seen Akira I'm like Acura is amazing. I watched Akira like a month ago. Akira is incredible. That to me is that is anime to me. Akira is amazing.

Yeah, everything can't be. That's like being like movies are the godfather. I'm like there's only so many movies. Well, I mean, it's like one of the definitive pieces of animation. The Akira bike slide lives on forever. When Kanye dropped stronger and he was driving with the bike in a music video, I'm like, this niggas. That's like, this is rap music. Yeah.

Interesting. All right. Really, really quick. Because I don't want to derail it on the Odyssey. We all saw The Odyssey, the funniest shit happens. Steve, do you want to tell him when we got out talking about rap opinions? No, you know what? We saved that for the pod.

We said that for the Odyssey Pod. Because some people might not know who's in this movie and who's definitely not in this movie. Travis Scott is in this movie. Travis Scott is in this movie. And Steve, what did you say when you walked out? Mistaken identity is all I'll say. Who did you mistake all day? Identity.

Who would you call him? I might have thought that was Travis Scott. No. No, that's not what you said. It is Travis Scott. Oh, no, sorry. I might have thought that was ASAP. All that's tough. He was like, ASAP was, and we was like,

you saw another black man with Braves. You're like, why is that? There could only be one black rapper with braids. There can't be two. Right. It's tough. Van, what's going on in your mind? I don't know if that's as big of a foul as you think it is.

I'm not trying to Zach here. Okay. I think that, okay. I will say when I was at soup kitchen yesterday, we was talking about the Odyssey. And another white person did go, hey, stop rocking that movie. And I was like, all right, all right.

I'm not going to say who looks like who. What we should really do is establish a list of brothers that is acceptable to confuse for one another. Because we can't say outright that is never acceptable. Now, I have been in places before where it pissed me off. Right. TMZ was one of those places. We've talked about the Bow Wow and Wiz Khalifa thing.

I've told you guys about that. Bow Wow gets confused for Wiz Khalifa? No, you got to lock me in. All right. It was two different times of TMZ. Two different times of TMZ. I, man, shout out to everybody at TMZ. I'm not picking on you guys.

This happened. I was watching in the back as they were feeding the show. They were feeding the show, okay? Yeah. This was when we were in the first office that I worked in, which was across the street from the Laugh Factory. Right. Yeah.

They're feeding the show out. And there is a clip from Wiz Khalifa in the black and yellow video. And at the bottom it says Little Bow Wow. Oh, no. I'm like, come on, guys. Come on, man. Wait, first of all, Little Bow Wow at that point was barely rapping. What was his last fucking hit at that point?

We're not going to get into the situation where we did this little bow wow. Well, I'm not doing. I'm not doing. There's a little bow wow, is what you just did. But we're not going to get... What was the last hit around black and yellow? First of all, I'm saying that's like 11. First of all, can I say something about Bawa?

I'll say something about Bawa. Bawao. Bawa has never not been relevant. I... Because Bawa dropped. Bowowl has never... Other guys have gone up and down. Bowowowah has never not been relevant for something. He stayed consistent.

But to your point, it's... It wasn't the time. Wait, here's the thing. I saw... I was seeing Bowowow movie. in theaters. What was the lottery one? The lottery ticket? The lottery ticket? The lottery ticket? In theaters?

Okay, okay. But I'm just, I'm older than you guys. I'm older than you guys. I'm not allowed to watch. You can see it. My man Brandon Jackson is in it. Basketball is fuss. Oh, the roller. Roller bounce. Roll bounce. Roll bounce. Roll bounce. That's the sight. Like Mike. Like Mike was like Mike was. Like Mike was. Like Mike had to. Here's the thing.

Like, little niggas can't rap, usually. Bow Wow, I was like... Bawa had bars. That thing could rap, Valwa had bars. I think he could rap for real. Anyway, he in no way looks like... Wyskalita. No.

Wys Kalifah is pretty famously, like 6'5. Yeah. But that wasn't the one. That was one. And then later on, they... They confused Magic Johnson for Shikilo Niel. That's bad. That's bad.

And then... That's absolutely. The thing that bothered me after that, it was like they confused Magic Johnson for Shaquille O'Neal. Not they. I think maybe one camera guy. Is this like a graphic like a lower third? This happened in the office. Okay.

And then they brought up pictures of Magic Johnson and Shaquille O'Neal. And Kelly was like, they look like each other. I was like, yo, man, get the fuck out of my face with that. Like, what do you mean? They look like each other. They don't look like each other. Wait, what? Anyway.

It's crazy. But I understand that there are white guys that I confuse for each other like all the time. Sure. Back in the day, I had a problem with the Jeffs, Daniels and Bridges. They said confused those guys. But the reason why, it wasn't because they necessarily look alike, it's because they are alike. They're Jeffs who have the same entity.

Bridges is more established and respected than Daniels, but Daniels is really established and respected. It was a swapping. It's like you get them like Walton Goggins, Timothy Ola Pham. You don't confuse those. gods, but they are of the same tribe. They blend together at times. Right? Timothy Olafan.

Olufant and Gagans, same tribe of white man. White? Same tribe. Same tribe. I'm not seeing the Vizian. Gagons. I'm not seeing the Vian. It's the same tribe. Those same people who like Gagons like Oliphant. Dillahunt almost got in there. Like it is, it's like I mean, I could, I could see like there's the same tribe. Nah, but I mean for Olafant and Gagans, yeah. But I think the thing for ASAP and Travis was that very famously,

we were at your house watching the game and the trailer came on. And we said, wait, hold on. Is that Travis Scott? And we literally, like, I think it was a halftime, whatever. But we stopped for like five, ten minutes and was laughing. But Aesop Rockia and John Scott looked nothing alike. In the face. In the face, they looked nothing like.

But what I could say is, and this is a lot more precarious to say when we're talking about these brothers, I could say that they're. in the same tribe of kind of fame of whatever. Both dated Rihanna, both got braids. Both got braids. Same complexion. I don't necessarily know if it's super offensive to confuse those guys. And we could make a list is what I'm saying.

Okay. I feel like we are getting in trouble to confuse for each other. I think that is. That's a you thing. We don't. Yeah, I think we should stop making lists, man. We can make lists. We could make a list.

I think we could make, I think it's okay to make a list. Obviously. I won't make a list. Now, we're not going to, you know what? Nah, because if we do that, then they're just going to start doing it on purpose. You know? Yeah, and they're going to be like, Van, Uncle Van gave us a pass. Like, no.

But what I'm saying is, it's not always just, it's all, it's not always fucked up. Wiz Khalifa, I think, like, you know, we would, we'd be a Timsy. They'd get niggas from Earthwind and fire. They put the wrong. You got to know who these guys are, right? You got to know, man. But it's not always bad. Is it always bad?

Am I wrong? No, no. Here's the thing. Travis Scott and ASAP is not that bad, but I was like, come on, Steve. It wasn't swinging to miss for me. You're supposed to know. You're supposed to know. That's the thing.

And did you learn your lesson? I did. Shout out to Steve. You know what, Steve? Me and Kalika had a conversation. Uh-oh. Actually, it wasn't me and Kalika. We had a conversation here about who is the ultimate white boy.

And you know what it is? between you and somebody else at the office. Okay. Who will? Oh, I think I know. Who? C.T. Yeah.

C.T. C.T. could be the ultimate white. C.T. I think he had white boys made for sure. Because Steve didn't do the usual movie theater move that he usually does. Which is. What? Stop.

Stop. He stopped. Wait, wait. Wait, wait. Stop being with the bro. He sandwiched all. He sandwiched all. And then.

Steve sat, y'all, just let y'all know, when we go see this shit in the House of Arby there or Sean or somebody like that, Bill. I'm surprised he didn't sit in Bill's lap. Hey, hey, hey, no, no, no, no. But you never sit with us, though. It'd be like, me, Jomey. It'd be like, fuck me. Because everybody was too close. Joanna Mouth.

Everybody was, I mean. The Citywalk screen is like 20, 20 stories high. Steve headed down. They y'all saw it in 70? Yeah. Oh, it was just real quick. Sinema or no. Absolute.

Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. People out there talking. People are very upset about the world. But also, motherfuckers got to stop acting like these tickets. Like,

I was like getting there early. Shit, that shit. That shit was, and I was like, gee, we could have invited the whole ringer crew. It was crazy.

Yeah, I was really worried about like not getting a seat, the whole thing. We get there. It's 25 people max in the whole. It's 10 a.m. on a Monday. I had to work.

You had to work. Yeah. I'm not talking about you. But what I'm saying is, if you have a screening of a movie at 10 a. On a Monday, that's how I knew.

that they, when they said about the influencers thing, was true. Yeah. Because they tell you y'all niggas, take your tiki tiki, shove it up your ass. We're doing this in a regular day time. Nah, they make us go through fucking security. I'm like, y'all fucking down.

The city walk is changed. It's different. It's not going to happen to us. Okay, let's go. Jesus Christ. Follows on socials. Add the Midnight Boys pod on instant and TikTok. At Ring ofverse on Insta, Twitter,

Facebook, and TikTok. We're on YouTube, like, comment, subscribe, shit. Oh, excuse me. I'm sorry. Hey, man, House of Dragon, man, the tides are rising. The numbers are going up, fellas.

They love it. They love it. House of the Dragon. House of the Dragon. A lot of Dragons. A lot of Dragons. Some X-Men, but a lot of dragons. Oh, yeah.

Oh, Chuck, tell the people, when are we coming back with X-Men 97? Iceman 97? I think we'll probably do, like, a mid-season check-in and then a finale. Here's the problem. We bank in the House of the Dragon episodes early for y'all just so you get them straight off the presses on Monday. Right, right. but like it's not it's not

it doesn't line up a lot of times you guys are talking about like how we cover stuff we have a certain amount of shows that we do do and can do and then on top of that like the release schedules don't always fall in a way to where we can be

in on every episode of something we have not given up on X-Men 97 no we're not not giving up at all we just got Odyssey coming up we still got House of the Dragon so we'll probably come back with two episodes checking in midseason checking in finale

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That's CR, that's Mal, that's Joanna. Not yesterday. Who's on it yesterday? Oh, that's right. I'll be on it. Damn, I forgot about that. Uh-oh. How did you forget?

Uh-oh. How did you forget? The calendar of van is like insane. Who's managed to your calendar? Are those mushrooms getting? answer you, bro? I'm loving my life on mushroom. I bet you are. Be honest. What kind of measures are you doing?

Alaya. Am I not a better podcaster on mushrooms? No. Tough. I disagree. As someone who also loves mushrooms and being high? Alea never supports me,

but I support her. That's no supporting thing. On Friday, the Midnight Boys give you their instant reactions to the Odyssey. I will see this movie and then we will all come together and we will talk about this film. This is the

me and Jomey are huge Dodger fans. We are now in the middle of the order as far as the summer's concerned. This is your three, four, five hitters. With the Dodgers, got a heavy hitter at leading off or so whatever. Normally

we're talking about Odyssey. We're talking about Spider-Man, which looks to break all kinds of money. They were saying 500 million. Half a Billy first weekend. Yeah, y'all niggas was tap dancing on a superhero Graves. It was over. It was over. It's Spider-Man coming through like, hey.

They said that Moana is the best Disney live action make of all time. I don't believe that. If you watch nobody cares. They also said the tracking is bad. Oh, it's not going to make anybody. But, but, which it's going to scare the shit. We got to talk about what happened

to the rock. I need to, I need to. The whole rocker, you know, little dissection of the career, bro, ever since. Come on, man. My black can't go out. What about that? Times Square Casino? Times Square Casino.

On today's show, we react to, everybody I didn't get that joke? We react to episode four of House of the Dragon. And I'm delighted to talk about House of the Dragon today. Come on. I'm really enjoying House of the show. All right, we are going to be spoiling everything that is involved in the world. Game of Thrones, West Rose, all these dragon and shit like that.

People are doing different times. I have the dragon shit. Steve, run a spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about House of the Dragon. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming.

All right, to begin our reactions, we once again bring you the Midnight Manifest, talking about the need to know. Shup, take the way. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for episode four of House of the Dragon, directed by Claire, Killingner written by David Hancock.

Reneera is still. Still struggling in her new role as the queen while our allies manage their own headaches. Corlis has left for the sea, leaving Adam to take his place on the council. High Tower, Faith Bulls in Kings Landing have dove Reneera the queen of bastards. Damon begs for gold in the Vale. While in the Vale, Damon and Krakse's fine sheep stealer. Damon is horrified when he realizes that his daughter Raina kill Jace on Dragonback. And for once, Damon tries to be a good father by lying to Renera that he actually found her son's killer, which is actually just the burnt head of a goat farmer.

Meanwhile, the Greens are down bad. Orman Hightower still plots against the new crown, but is dismayed. when his brother Wayne sends word that Damon has fled Heron Hall with his back against the wall. Orman decides to throw all his weight behind making Darren the king. Agon is forced to clean latrines, but finds a smidge of hope when he realizes sunfire might be alive. Also, Allison finds out that Helena is pregnant, potentially at the most inopportune time. Tough. That has been your midnight manifest for House of the Dragon.

All right, then, you know, we started some wars online last week. saying that motherfuckers was hating saying that last, we said last episode might be the best episode of, I mean,

it's not only that, people are also, like, how was that racist with Corillus and Rainier? So we just said to everybody's, how was it racist? Who said it was racist?

Not racist. Racially charged. Shut the fuck up. I don't. I don't give a fuck what you think. I don't. Like, the reality is

I looked at that. and that we felt the way it's an opinion. Let's move on. Now, what else happened? No, no, I was saying, like, a lot of people were arguing in the comments. That wasn't those, I don't give a fuck, to your point, I'll give a fuck what anybody says.

House of the Dragon is on the rise. I did feel like this episode wasn't bad. It did seem like we kind of took a step back. And it seemed like this was in kind of Game of Thrones. It reminded me of the Game of Thrones episodes where this is like, okay. Newborn. we are setting up where everybody is,

which I loved. Like every episode doesn't have to be explosive. This one was just a little bit like, oh, we're slowing down a little bit. So I... Every time. Every time. What?

Did it just glitch? Like, I didn't. It's like Steve was about to go crazy. I realized something with this episode. The show has me. Yeah. The show has me. It has me in the same way

the Game of Thrones had me. because I actually watched each scene of this particular episode as an unfolding of a narrative that I am incredibly attached to. Ever since Renair has got to Kings Landing, for me personally, the show has taken a gigantic leap. So much better. And I'll tell you why. A criticism of this show early on was that it was too slanted towards the blacks.

You've heard that criticism before. Watching how the throne corrupts is intoxicating. Watching how she now turns into this thing. Every character in the show is being completely reoriented. The show almost reset itself when she actually got to King's Landing. The stuff with Ormond in this episode was amazing. So much, much richer and deeper character. that he was made out to be before.

I'm loving what's going on. But to your point, I think that's indicated in the fact that this was a breather episode, yet it lost none of the momentum that the show has created. I mean, I don't want to say the show can be funny, but to me, I was having a blast because

even when Reneer got the throne, everybody's having just the worst day of their lives in this episode. Reneira consistently always when Alfa's like, hey, man, you know, I got it. It's just, it's awful, that's normal. But Damon going to the veil, finding out that Raina was riding sheepstealer.

And you can just like, I mean, Matt Smith is great as David, but you can see like, when he's like, yo, not you. Yeah, that was hilarious, bro. Ormond, when the homie, or he gets the note, and then Darren's like, hey, man. Please don't get out of here. Get out of here. Go. And he goes crazy. And then even, um, Allison, finding out.

Helena's pregnant. And she was like, the whole thing, it's not funny, but seeing these people, it is funny. See these people in those situations? I'm like,

yo, man, it sucks to be you, bud. Like, this is tough. And to me, that's what makes vintage Game of Thrones so palatable. Even in the scenes and episodes that aren't as action-pack

that aren't as drama-filled to know that they can spin these many plates and make characters that's compelling in the small amounts of time that they have on screen. Because now we're back

to the classic type of Game of Thrones where we're juggling like five different plot lines and how are these now going to come together we've started this episode everybody's come together and we bashed our heads together and now we're spread apart and now we have a villain we have our conflict

with Reneer we have a the king oh my god what's his name? Which king? Ormond? No no no are you talking about? Glitched out King George? No no

he's maimed he's burned oh hey on him sorry A-Gon, yeah, A-Gon, yeah. We have A-Mand, like, kind of, like, veering off into the distance, like, trying to figure out, like, how he can survive. A-Gon, you mean? A-Gon, excuse me. How he can survive. Fantastic stuff.

And I think this is what a well-balanced Game of Thrones show should be, knowing that we have way more episodes with just as equally compelling storylines. I'm in. So, yeah, to me, whereas the show didn't have, you know, I guess, like, gigantic, consequential. thinks it was really important show for each character that's involved. Corliss leaves, then Adam takes his place on the small console. Big deal. Yeah. That's a big deal.

You get to see how capable Adam is. The Maester. What's the Maester's name? Mr. Orwell. Mr. Orwell. O'Will. Aweil. Purs his worth in this show. Like, sneakily, Damon in this show proves

just how dastardly, sinister, and bad that he is. This is a character that's been kind of been able to exist in the anti-hero morally compromised guy who's doing things we understand why realm

for a long time. But in this show, he slays an innocent common person just for the purpose of tricking Reneira and sparing his daughter. He has,

he shows completely in this episode the guy's a piece of shit. Now you might have thought that before, but he always did enough stuff for characters that you cared about for you to look at the utility of Damon and be like, hey,

don't completely hate the guy, actually kind of like him. But to kill that guy just for a lie to me was profiled. I read that differently where you're not wrong. Right. Where I think it is supposed to show you that Damon will go to any lengths. But it was like interesting,

and this is what makes the show so fascinating now, is when Raina is basically like, I've never asked you for anything as a father. And you kind of see Damon in his own way be like, think of someone else besides himself, where it's like traditionally in the show, Damon is someone who will do anything to get more power and to hold on to more power.

and he makes a choice that does kind of give Raina the space to survive. But here's the problem with that, though, is that she didn't ask him to do that. That's what makes him twist of us. But she didn't ask him to do that.

What she asked for was pretty understandable. She asked for him just not to say anything. Just not to say anything. She didn't ask him to put a body on it, to king ball and somebody. She just asked him, Not to say anything.

She didn't ask him to do that. She didn't ask him to do that. He did that because that person's life was convenient to him. And that's the central villainy of the character to me. Doesn't also not only his act of doing that to feed his own ends with Reneira, but she's also very well aware that the only reason that she even has this type of audience and attention from him is because she has a dragon. And it's the idea. His daughter?

Yeah. No. I don't think, to me, no. I think in that, in that scenario, he is afraid of sheep's stealer, and he respects sheep's stealer. But the thing that gets him in that situation is that she appeals to the fact, I mean, she looked like the crack hair in Westero's at this point. That was crazy. She like, what happened to her? What did you do to your hair? I'm like, not a, not the white house. What you do to your hair? Like, she looks, if you guys have seen this, if you ever watch Hood movies where they start off with somebody in there

in prep school and they look at all of them, then they meet somebody, and they come back, Duke. Man, shout out to Duke, man. Pookie from New Jack City. That's kind of how she looks. And when he's looking at her, it's like, that's my daughter,

and she's at her wits in. And I think that sheepstealer is actually in the background, By the time we get to the point to where she goes, look, I'm the least of your children. I know that. I've never asked you for anything. And I'm not even asking you for anything right now. I'm asking you to not do something, which is go and tell.

I'm asking you to not do something. He tries to say, hey, by not doing something, I am doing something. She's like, whatever, get out of here. And then he left and still somebody died because of Damon's. convenience. I mean, as opposed to what, though, because part of his job is to hunt to wherever sheepstealer was like the writer of sheepstealer, right? And so if sheepstealer is still flying around, but he was going to be like, yo, man, the

guy who, the person who killed my son is out there. Damon, what you doing? So he was like, and I'm sorry about that farmer. I really am. He's like, I got to make a call right here. But see, that's what this whole show is becoming. This whole show is actually becoming this wrestling match. as we watch this family's

unresolved trauma destroy this entire kingdom this whole show to me is the hero that will emerge from this show is going to be the one that puts the people first is going to be the one that says you know what the crown isn't important the fact that people are starving is important

you know what the power isn't important the fact that we're doing all this to rule over a bunch of people that's going to be the hero that emerges from this show to me the one who that is able to put the actual lives of these common folk in front of their own. You think in the show early on

that that's Ormond because you feel like he does the right thing until you get to the end of the show and you realize that nobility is a disease and it's corrupted all of these people. So when you see Damon do that I'm like, ah man, now fuck him too.

I mean, fuck everybody. Just now? Not just now, but you know. I mean, even it's funny when Renira when Oaf is like he's like, hey, yo, they spray painting, yo. Damn, they call him you the queen. First of all, I'm not going to take no nonsense for somebody who can't read.

That's me personally. I'm not letting that slide. I will say when Oof walked in there, I'm like, bro, you can't be trying to put your Rand niggas on. But look, but look, that's another scene that shows what I'm talking about. Oaf is not a noble person. He's not high-born. What is the Hood movie of Epis?

Because she was like, you can't go back to the block. You're not going to the pub anymore. Y, all that's the same thought of my head. When he went to the tavern, I was like, yo man, what's going to all this? Like, you got, like, for everybody. He's like, I guess I do. For everybody. He's like, for everybody.

I guess. Yeah, it's like, it's like, it's like, my guys, right? You can't go back to the hood. He still feels that way. And she tells him, not only is it fuck them, but you can't go nowhere. If you are not like, you're not one of them, you are. Are you kidding? You give me a dragon

I'm ghost around the whip around all the Kingsmen man, bro. I'm gonna take my homies on the dragon. Right. I'm gonna be like, enjoy ride with your guys. He's like,

yo, is he cool, bro? Yeah, he cool, man. We're gonna be straight, bro. He don't buy, he don't buy. He's just, let's go. We're gonna be like fucking Superman and Lewis Lane.

Why would you ask for me? That what I was, I was like, why are you going to ask a Reneera? He don't guide no brain cells, but he had a point at the end. He's like, they don't think that well of you. you, which is a crazy thing.

They say you're the queen of bastards. And what are you going to do about that? Rainer. I love Rainier. I love Rainier, not enough dog. And I understand that he got a dragon. If it was anybody else, I'm having the boy cut your head off. That was crazy.

You're not going to talk to me like that. Wait, wait. Where her, his guard was like, what are you talking about right now? Blinky ready, because what you mean? Well, you can't have it. You need the dragon. That's what I'm saying. If it was anybody else.

Yeah. But look at the way she resolves that. They're calling you the queen of bastards. It might be good. They're saying that you're unkind. rather than pledge to be unkind what does she pledge to be kinder or do something different what does she do what she says

she terrorizes the smoke of yeah she says have people have that cleaned up round them up and then anybody who's doing it punish them so rather than address the needs of the people and trying to find out a reason why they feel the way

that they feel she goes punish the people that are saying a thing about me that's true to them which shows you that Reneer's patient for the problems of the small folk is wearing thin. She can't deal with all of the stuff that she's dealing with and deal with the lives of the people that she now has stewardship over.

I mean, and what I loved about this episode is it does such a good job of juxtaposing the two monarchs, where you have Renira, to your point, who, once the small folks say some shit about her that she doesn't like, it's like off with their heads. And then you have Agon who runs up to the guy and be like, this is how you rule. And it's such an interesting scene because you're like, Agon, that's how you were ruling.

That's the great thing that Game of Thrones has always been able to do. And this is why the Greens to me are now finally just as interesting as the blacks because you take that family down a peg and my favorite moments in Game of Thrones were always what happens when a ruler no longer has power? What happens when Jamie doesn't have

have a hand, has to go around, and he's treated finally like the small folk. How does that change your worldview? And it was so, like, the, uh, everything that was going on with Aigon, it wasn't my favorite stuff of the episode, but it was fascinating. It's good. Him with Laris is really an amazing pairing because Laris is incredibly savvy. He's incredibly smart and survival driven. And it's as if that Agon is like impervious to consequence whenever he runs about

the world. Like talking shit to the guy who's running this camp. Like he's not going to get a knife in his throat is the exact type of lesson that he is. But Laris is trying to help him at every turn. And it's not working. The most important thing in life is who you think you are. Like legitimately, identity is the most important thing in life. Identity guides the decisions that you make, right?

It was like, it was back in the day. So what therapist was telling me one time is like, Vang, you lost a whole bunch of weight and you were super in shape for a long, long time. Like, not now, but you were before. And it was like, like, how did you do it? It's like you would be at TMZ and you would tell me these stories about everybody would be eating treats. Or what they would do at TMZ is that like rather than told you guys this, rather than give people their vacations and raises, they give them treats on Thursday.

Yeah. I told you this. So there'll be a treat near. And I mean the pizza, the pizza trick? Pizza party. Pizza party. Okay. Yeah. Hey, I know the pizza party trick.

We are coming in here. Like, yeah, hey, you guys on pizza party. We spent $500 on Thursday. You guys forget that we can't go home to see your parents. But and I wouldn't eat it And I remember he was like Why I was like I didn't I didn't eat that stuff He's like it was part of your identity

To abstain from that Because part of your identity was being fit And going to the gym for four hours And playing basketball and all that stuff Who you think you are When you watch Agon Agon doesn't think that he's a Targaryen Or that he's the king

He knows that he is He's been taught at his entire life So watching his identity like clash with what the world is telling him he is, it's just fascinating. It always is. In any story, whenever there's somebody that you know

is not used to a certain thing, whenever they have to get used to that thing, that's always good. And for him, like, is dope. And I'm wondering if this part of his character's arc is fundamental. I would hope so. I mean, he's got a lot to learn. To your point, like,

the Laris-Agon thing works because Laris has always had to like survive always had to like find ways to finagle his way into power and Agon has just like been a king his entire life has been like somebody who is stepping on other people making them kiss his toes right and for him to now need Laris

like yo big dog kind of needs you to like submit a little bit this is not the time to be high horse of people do you think Laris is gonna fuck him over though because I'm I'm like so confused as to say like his patience Yeah, but how many more people could Laris, like, mess over, like, actually? I don't think Laris, he might, I don't know, but I don't think Laris can fuck him over.

Yeah, he's too valuable to Laris. Right. But when it comes down to his own survival versus Agon's probably. If Agon's gone, Laris is gone too. Lairz is only chip on the board right now, he's Agon. Yeah, he would be kind of crazy to do that because he can play that this is the king chip at any time that he wants. We've already seen him use it as a get out of jail-free car for him. Also, I want to go back to Damon real quick,

because something that's fascinating and I don't know, I have to feel like it's intentional. Slowly in this season and across the seasons, they've been showing us the dragons are not as well trained as y'all think they are because you think Damon with Karachi's. You're like, this is the motherfucker who has his dragon on a leash. When Karachi's senses sheep stealer,

there ain't nothing Damon can do. flying off. And I'm like, oh, this is fascinating. There is so much of this story where it's like the Targaryians really feel like they have their dragon, this magic, this lineage under control. And you're realizing how much they don't. It is quite literally like, my dog doesn't bite

and the dog is like fucking jumping at you. You're like, hey, man, I don't really think your dog listening to you like you think it is. And I was like, this is fascinating. It's a way of showing visually. how the Targaryans don't really have Westeros under control like they think they do.

Or Westeros is like the dragon, which means it's well trained, but it's still a living organism with its own agency, right? You ever see one of those riding competitions where the horse decides not to jump? Yep. The horse has been trained for this

his entire life, well, the horse just goes, hey, that's a little too high. Yep. I'm not a day. I'm good. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know what happens

if I break my leg doing this. Y'all niggas, I've seen what happened to my home. Like, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not. I see what I have the seed biscuit, man. It's too high. I'm not doing it.

I don't want to do it. And so you can train them all you want. But especially in that position, Coraxi's like, hey, dad, there's another dragon here. Is that like, I just like, hey, dad. It's like, you're supposed to go the other way. I don't care. Or does you like, hey, dad.

No, Coraxis. There's another dragon here. Smell another dragon. Sit down. Deal with this situation. You, like, I know more about you about this situation than you do. Correctsies and she's a chiefs that got major beef. There was really going to go out.

They hated each other. I thought they was going to get busy with one another, but they didn't. What a great way to shoot that scene, by the way, because it's at opposite ends of the tunnel and when sheepstealer's end is blocked out by him. And, like, he just ignites a little bit of a flame to give the silhouette. That was that was fired. Let's talk about Ormond. I, this was a heavy, heavy Ormond. I love this guy.

Love this guy. I feel like Ormond probably, well, I'd say probably like 28, 7, 3. in this episode, I'm not going to say it was a 40, 10, and 15. I don't know, man. That last scene was like, you know, you get you 30? Yeah, you give him 35 because he had like two back-to-back crazy threes when he brought homey in there and was like, hey, listen, I know outside it was one way, but for real, we got to do it another way.

Give them the sword, handle business. I mean, even, and this is such a small, small thing that shows do that I love, when you give your antagonist or villain, something just, weird about them that tells you everything about the character. And then giving him the modern nostril of like, okay, you know Westrow smells like shit all a time. It's blood, its gut, it's feces, or whatever. So you have this man who is outside of time who is like literally putting potpourri and

incense and smelling. I need him in the perfume lab just like being a perfume genius. It tells you so much about the character because at first they kind of introduce him as someone who is like, no, we need to follow the laws of this world. Like, the small folk are important. But what is really telling you when he's smelling that stuff is like, oh, he thinks he's above all of this, thinks he's above the Targaryians, he thinks he's above the small folk. And I'm like, that is such a subtle way to, like, early in the episode to be like, no, he's not

everything you think he is. It makes him dangerous. Yeah. Because think about how you would have to fight if you legitimately felt like, once again, identity, who he thinks he is is what he's talking about, right? Who he thinks his family is what he's talking about. But if you

think you're better than the Targaryans in every single way, except they got dragons, it would make the type of warfare that you had to wage against them asymmetrical in nature. It would have to be asymmetrical in every way because you can't meet them on the dragon situation.

So you have to use subterfuge. You have to use guerrilla tactics. You have to use all kinds of other things to like overtake them because you think that you're better than them. You will not be ruled by them. But you don't have any

dragons. And so that last scene where he's talking about that it made everything that he's gone through with Darren is the kid's name? Yeah, Darren. It made it all makes sense. Every way that he's moving it made it make sense because he feels like he's

better than them, but he can't just meet them on the battlefield because of the drag. I mean, I also, not to bring race into it again, but that conversation that Ormond has with Taryn is so fascinating because it's a character saying, as readers we kind of know, which is like, he's being racist against the Targaryens, but he's illustrating something where it is just like, these people think that they're gods, and actually they've stolen our birthright. And we are better. And you see how he's brainwashing his nephew in real time. And it's so funny how the fake Darren that he sends to Kings Landing has the bleached hair.

And you realize, no, Darren has the High Tower hair. So there's this, I want to get it to like read more about like race in terms of just like. Do you think the Italians are a race? Are they a race? No. I mean, no. No. But they fashion themselves to be one.

But here's the thing. I guess they do. They literally marry each other. They have the thing where it's like the hair is what differentiates them from everyone else. I don't think it's racist not to like them though, and I'll tell you why. Because they, the way they exalt themselves

is in every way that they are deities. They say that they're gods. Right. And so when he's looking at them and going, hey, man, actually, they're not good at ruling. they're not good at nothing except for the fact that they have dragons actually our family

made all of this money our family has this beautiful thing our family has done all of this stuff now it's a kingdom so it's all been waged through or formed through warfare so it's like you know it's all that's blood everywhere it's like our family's actually done all this with no dragons so we're the best

and look honestly if you want to have a conversation about whether or not you think the Targaryans are good I don't think it's racist to say these motherfuckers are crazy They're crazy. They're crazy. But I mean, I'm not going to hold you. This motherfucker, when he pulls out the dude and he's like, all right, kill him.

I'm like, come on, you can't be talking all this shit about the Targaryens. Can we talk about this real quick? There is something that is a through line through all Game of Thrones shows. And that is First Communion by Blood. Yeah. First Communion by Blood. This show is, these shows, this world is obsessed with what happens to you after you take your first communion by blood and then become a part of the thing that is bigger than you and older than you and more ancient. That's the first scene that we see.

The first scene that we see, don't look away. Like Ned Stark, our hero has to cut the head off this guy in front of everyone. Whoever gives the sentence must swing the sword. must swing the sword. And that, even though brand in that situation is not swinging the sword, to watch it makes him a start.

This young man has to kill this guy to make himself a high tower, really. This, Renera, a couple of episodes before, has to kill Otto to make herself the queen. Yeah. And these characters always

fundamentally change after they take that communion. And almost the show is trying to either show you when it happened to them or get them to the point to where they do it. Well, I also think it is a story about conviction versus pleasure where it's like you need the conviction to kill. But there are characters like Damon or Amon who they are not killing because they have to. They are killing because they love it. Where it's like Reneira, her struggle is do I have the conviction to do something? something that when you actually look at it is evil.

But that is part of being a ruler. Part of being a ruler in Westeros is like there's a reason why Damon can survive. Because like he does not give a fuck. He's just like, I will do whatever I have to do because I've been anointed. I believe I'm a God. This is what God's do. And Reneera still, like someone like Reneera or even Darren are still playing in like that gray area of like, hey, if you're the queen or the king, you got to act like you.

the dirty little secret is, last thing I'll say before I stop there. There's no such thing as a killer who's really good at it who doesn't love it. No, there's no such thing. There's no such thing as a killer who is a really skilled, successful killer who doesn't love

to kill. It doesn't feel like it? John Wick loves killing people. He loves killing people. In order to be as good at killing people and then to do it for money you would have to love killing people. What's the moving line? I'm the best I am

at what I do. Yeah, let me tell you out something. I'll use a real figure for this. A real person. They made a movie called American Sniper. It was about a guy named Chris Kyle. I'm sorry, guys. Yep, it happened to. I'm sorry. And they made a movie, and in the movie, they portrayed that guy as one way.

Read that book and then come back and tell me that that guy did not love to kill. Love to kill people. I'm sorry. I don't give a fuck. What? You matter if you want. That guy loved killing people.

And I don't give a fuck. Once you get to 300 motherfuckers, you kind of like it. I think I can't agree with that, but I think that there's also another side of that coin to where people have been either groomed or trained or indoctrinated to the idea of killing that to them, that's the only thing that makes sense. No, I 100% agree with Vann because here's the thing. There's two things in this world that I think can fundamentally change you in ways that people can't really understand. It's when you see someone have a child a lot of the times. It's like, oh, I created something. Something came from me and is when you take someone's life.

A lot of people, the reason I agree with Vann is like it has a way of giving you a God complex. You just took someone's life away and you start thinking of humans, not as humans, but not. numbers and chess pieces and things that can just be discarded. But the thing is, I'm like, usually the reason why killers who are good at it are good at it is because they're able to shut off that part of the brain that's like, I just rob someone of a future. I robbed the people they loved of their future. And that's the thing that I think Game of Thrones does so well is like watching someone

like Renira slowly all of the killing just chip and chip and chip away. But how did she get here? How many sons did she lose? How many lovers did she loops? And that's always where Game of Thrones is the best. Oh, I don't want to get too far away from the Ormond Day or Daron thing because I think there's like a fundamental difference in like ideologies between them where Damon has always said the gods didn't make us, kings dragons did.

Right. And in that scene with Ormond and Daron, Ormond's like, yo, this dragon, bro, like that's not, that's not what it's about for real. Get away from that beast. Don't rely on that beast. Don't rely on that beast. what made you king what's going to make you king

is your lineage, your heritage, where you're from old town. Dragons didn't make, aren't going to make you a king God's will. And it's like a fundamental difference in ideologies that I'm excited to see

how those clash going forward because like, I don't know how much we're going to get a foreman. He's like, doesn't like do this in the book. He's not like we're going to make Darren the king in the book. However, he was great. Like you said, he put up crazy numbers.

I can't wait to see him as the villain of this particular season. Is the show for some controversy? Maybe not. Is the show for some reason more interested

with Aymand not around? And let me tell you why. It's not because that character isn't awesome. That character is awesome. I love his character. It's an asshole.

But I love the character. It's not that he isn't awesome. It's just that the greens are so much easier to like when he's not there. So I don't, I disagree because what I think is actually happening is that the greens have been so one-note, Agon, Amon, Aman, Helena, where Helena was just kind of an airhead who sometimes would have visions. Amon was just like always just like an angry little version of Damon.

Agon was just like this Joppy character. And the minute you take them out of Kings Landing, and this is why I'm so excited to see what happens with Amon, the minute you take them out of there and give them real obstacles to face, they become three-dimensional characters. Where it's like the reason it's so fun now to see Renira on the Iron Throne

is because we got so much time with her chasing it. Where it's like they were handed everything. So we really never got that tension, in my opinion, with the Greens. Alice, to me, is so much more fascinating now. that she's, like, trapped in this castle. And she's kind of weirdly, like, the hand of the queen, but not really. Where every single time, Reneira has, she's like, hey, what do you? What do you think about this?

This show is so, again, it's not a, it's not like a comedy. But this is what, the second or third episode in a row where Reneer has been like, yo, Allison, I need, I'm like, hey, man, I ain't gotten to. Yeah, like, I've got hell. That's already enough. Like, there's many good reasons why Allison would be the person that she has the most trust in. Number one, she has the realest actual relationship with her, right? They go back the furthest, and that relationship was genuine.

It wasn't born in convenience or tradition or anything like that. And also, Allison's kind of the only one that understands what she's going through right now. Yeah. Like, as a woman, as a ruler, as somebody who's almost chained to the throne. Like, Allison understands that. And Allison has to keep going, yeah, I feel what you're going through. You kill my dad. So that's an issue.

You know, it's like, all it is something that you gotta kill my sons. You're like, you was gonna send one of my sons to the wall. She was like, you know I wouldn't have really killed him. I was like, you was about to send him to the Knights Walk. Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? It's a nice one. When they're like, oh, it's going to send him to a nice watch.

I'm like, you're sending him to a Supermax fucking prison. Yeah. I got to be real with you. The nice watch is tough, bro. It's a labor camp. Like, yeah, the nice watch is tough. But if you have the option between that or death, you're taking the black? Yeah, you got to take the black.

I don't know. This is the reason why we really don't be, like, talking about what the nice watch is, really? Because John Snow made that shit look slick. He got that shit out of the bud. Sure. Like, he revamped the whole shit. Nobody else does that. My thing about, so John Snow made the decision himself to take the black, right?

Yeah. He decided himself he was going to the nice watch, right? Because if he really didn't have a choice. I guess he didn't have a choice, but I don't know if I'm going to that bitch, bro. I'm going to be honest with you. Like, get no pussy fight monsters during time. life. Yeah.

Like, it's like, what's, like, what are you doing? But you hang with your... John's, know what he taught us all, though, is like, if you can get busy

and you want of them ones, you can find you a... Bro, you can be a little commander. I think most of the nice watch is getting down. I don't think they really not... I think they're getting down, you're with your bros.

No, I think they... I think they having sex, but I think maybe with each other, maybe with women on the way, they're getting... Yeah, you don't think that the nice watch don't, like, get like, hey, yo,

we got some nice entertainment. We're bringing in. I don't know how it goes. I just know that it's cold. Yeah. Okay. They up there with a lot of, they don't seem to get along.

They took turns killing John. It's like, it's a turn. It's like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, it's a dangerous place. It's not the place you would want to be. But also they saw him.

They like, look at this. Look at this. Pretty boy. What is pretty boy. Let's these nigger know how to fight. They were so mad that he knew how to fight. They hated it. They hated.

John is up there. Like, yo, man, I got this. Look, look at this underswop movement. John's like, look, do it. And they're like, yo, how do you know how to do this? He grew up basically as one of the lords of... Wait, so this is actually a nerd question for John Snow. Was John Snow actually gifted like that with the sword, or is it he was just in the G League?

And it was just like... Training with... In the books, he's actually not even that good. He's like regular. But he... But it's your answer. Yeah, he's just like, I don't know if it's natural talent and so much as like he gets trained every day for five hours

by the master at arms. These niggas don't have no sword skills. They don't know. They didn't grow up in a castle. Yeah, but by the end of the Game of Thrones, he's like getting busy. And I'm like, was it also just that like he was in the hyperbolic time change where he was at the end of the world?

He's like, motherfuckers, we had to like. I'm saying, yeah, he was going to left. Like, you know what I'm saying? He was going north of the wall. He was fine wildings. At some point, yeah, you get to get to get. You got the Valerian store at Longclaw. Yeah, he was locked in.

At some point, you're fighting so much, you're getting better at it, you know? I remember there was this dude named Charles. No relation. And not Charles Holmes. So we had, I told you guys about the crew that we had at Spaceport, right? And we was playing Marl versus Capcom 2. Oh, right, yeah.

Talked about this. So the dudes from New Orleans were better than us at Mar versus Capcom 2. Right. They were. There was a guy from New Orleans. His name was Chris Creasy. his name is Magneto X the shit that he used to do with Magneto

in the game I thought he had broke the game this motherfucker so bro he comes over there he's doing he'll do an air combo he'll grab you to reset the damage start the combo again hit you in the sidlock now that's the stuff that everybody does

in Marl versus Capcom 2 but when Chris Creasy was doing it from the world was the first time I'd ever seen this shit triangle dash behind you kick you up sidelot come get you, kept you up there, grab you, everybody's like,

ooh, just going, going nuts, right? Like, fucking doing the little, like, whatever, can I? So Charles was with us. He was a Baneridge guy,

and we could not fuck with Charles in any way, shape, or form. Charles ended up getting beat up outside Spaceboard one time I think I told you all about this. Pushing the face Chinese food, flew everywhere.

Jesus. Charles could not fuck with, we cannot fuck with Charles. Charles was uncanny with cable. He had impeccable defense the whole nine. But the New Orleans guys would fuck him up. I remember Charles told me something. He goes, if I

play with them all the time, I would be as good as them. He was like, I'm, he still got to the finals against Ricky or against Chris. I can't remember who it was. But he goes, he still got to the finals, but he goes, if I play with them all the time, I would

be as good as them. Of course. It's actually y'all that are holding me back. It's the, I'm close to you. You said y'all sad. It's actually y'all that are holding me back. They are so good. If I was playing with them, I would learn stuff that they do about a lot. What do you think it was about the New Orleans cats that, like, had them on a different-

They traveled more. So they would, I can tell you what it was, they traveled more. So we, because when we started traveling, I left for a little while, I came back. Irvin was doing crazy shit. Demetrius had brought out the Strider Doom Trap. All of this stuff. You have to see that stuff. You have to go around and travel.

If you were in places, there was a place in California. Chinatown Fair was in New York. That was where everybody played there. But there was a place in California called Sunny Hill Golf Land or whatever the fuck it was. But everybody would come to these places to play the game. And these tactics would get shared.

And you would see them on the Internet, all of that stuff. And then you would do it. And so the New Orleans guys, they had a bigger city. Don't get me wrong. But they also travel. traveled a lot. And so when they would travel around, they would see stuff, they would try different stuff, all of that stuff, and then they would be better than us. But Charles was basically our John Snow. We was the rest of the niggas in the wall. He would, like he would be, he, and the more he played with them, though, the better he got. And that's what happened to John Snow. The more John Snow got out there, battle of the bastards, all those other stuff, his shit. Honestly, once I survived the Night King, like, I'm like, I've seen some shit. I'm the man. I'm never even fuck with it.

Yeah, I'm the man. Like, I can't. I'm not one of the night watch. No more. Fuck them. Who's the closest to John Snow and the House of the Dragon? The closest character?

What a great question. Oh, man. Do we even have a John Snow? In terms of heroism, no. No, because one thing John Snow had was honor. A morally right character? Yeah, I don't think we have one. We don't have none of these characters are on here, bro.

I could see, he's the only pure person. That's a terrible answer. Oof. Yeah, he has no, he has no business wanting the throne. He has no business. He just wants a better life for himself and his guys. Steve, right?

No, I would say to me, it's Adam is like, even though he doesn't get much screen time, Adam is a bastard. It is Adam. Who literally has been, who doesn't want more power, is thrusting to it,

and at every single point makes the right thing. He's not making decisions for himself. He's making decisions for the people around. Again, why didn't Adam jump to our minds? Why, why isn't Adam the John Snow?

Why not? I don't know. I mean, too, point he's not like four like they don't give at here's the thing I love that character they just don't give him a lot of touches he does like even when they were like oh you're going to be on the council now I'm like wait what wait Adam oh no that's his brother Alan Alan Alan I might say Adam before to the ball the ball head Alan Allen Allen is on I might said Adam before but it's Alan it's Alan oh okay so Alan Alan Alan Alan um I'm about say yeah

because Adam I don't even think Adam was in this episode George you got to use different names man let me tell you how to tell you how dumb, stupid. Okay, so they got fucking rats all in the thing. He looks at it, he goes, you know, aboard the ship, we got cats. Nobody thought

in all of Westerost, okay, nobody thought, my dad, rest his beautiful soul, would see a rat around the barn and be like, tell your mama bring a cat home. First thing you think, cat, you put a cat back there, the rodents go,

We don't want none. We are done. We're out of here. Nobody thought to bring some cats in the motherfucking cat. I will say, no, I, here's the thing, no. I have a cat. Shout out sushi. The first time we had a, like, a mouse in New York, I'm like, damn, you're a pretty boy.

He didn't even want to kill it. He was, like, looking at me, like, what you want me to do? I'm like, hey. He said, lock in, give me what you're like that. I bet you what you stop seeing, though, was that little motherfucker. Them cats. You have the most beautiful cat And then you walk in to see your cat

Who sleeps on you Is playing with a damn mouse The worst is when they try to drop it on you They're like look at what I do I'm proud Because also when a cat Knows there's a mouse or a rat somewhere You could tell because they'd be sitting

Way Just wait Looking at their chops It's so great Primal creatures I'm like Jesus Christ That's how dumb they are at Westrose West Rose. They're

Dumb, bro. I mean, clearly. Character-wise, it does make sense because you have to think, and this is what's so funny about these last couple episodes is you're realizing how much, even Reneira is

blinded by class where so much of her life has been given to her on a silver platter that, like, of course she's not really thinking about rats, you know? Of course, she's not really even equipped to be like, of course they're going to

call you the queen of the bastards. Who gives a fuck? It is, and I love the way where it's like, oh, Reneera, Reneer is almost just as bad as Amon or Aigon. Because, hey, you are still royalty. And once you get power, it's like, hey, yo, small folks, it's cute until you start disrespecting me.

And then it's off with your heads. She thinks what she is doing, this is kind of the disconnect. She thinks what she is doing or what she will do for the small folk is benevolent, that it's merciful. She doesn't think about their rights. She doesn't think about them in the terms of they have a right to food. They have a right to housing. They have a right to freedom.

They have a right to a good life in Western world. So she doesn't think about a good monarch, a good king or queen, thinks about the fact that they are upholding and undergirding the national. rights of people. A bad monarch or bad queen thinks that they are giving those people those rights. That those rights are being bestowed onto those people by them.

That's bad. Well, I will say this is obviously Westeros. It is not real. But it's interesting where it's like the other fun thing about Game of Thrones is I'm like, yeah, this is showing us around this time where I'm like, there's no inalienable

rights. Humans are still proper to these people. You know what I mean? These are not, no one does have a right to housing or to food in this land. It is like, no, you are on the chessboard. I can move you, however.

And it's even like, there's little lines that's so fascinating where it's like, monarchs have to deal with, where does the money go? If you do not pay the army, the army is going to revolt and you have nothing. But if you do not feed the people, they will also revolt.

So it is this, you are on this tight rope of like, how do we spread the wealth? Also, our new master of coin, shout out Manderly, is just like, has anybody considered attacks? And then he's immediately shut up. And that was when I was like, hey, he's kind of spin. But yeah, no, it was like, okay, that's like the sensible question. But like, immediately shoot aside just so that he can be a buck past to. Also, I think that character is dangerous. Who?

D'O'Anderly. Mandirley. I think Mandirley. I think Mandalay is dangerous. I think, you know, they go, hey, things are fucked up from a business perspective financially. Let's put a patsy on the small council to be the master of coin. Right. I think that that guy already demonstrated that he is probably a little bit too shrewd to be made a fool of when he actually had the gumption to kind of go toe for toe and stick it in her face a little bit, the episode before.

I think it's going to end up being a mistake to put him on the small council thinking that he in some way can be made the fall guy for everything that's going wrong. I mean, at this point, with how Renera's constructing her small council, I'm like, you really do not know how to build the team. It's bad roster management, you know, it's bad roster management. I mean, you got people that have been by your side, Masaria, Damon, obviously. You had to pick up Orwell off the buyout market. he was left from the old regime. And in Torre Manly, you just went out. I was like, yo, look, man, we need a shooter.

Anybody you can't tell him that, you know what I'm saying? And you think, Masaria and Damon can't do nothing but fight. I'm like, every single time they see him. But she'd be clogging him every single time. Every single. He doesn't. Hey, man, who is that? Who head is that?

I'm like, who is it? I mean, you realize he's lying, right? Like, who is that? She don't like him. She made me go back and re-watch all the devs. love them. Like, you realize he's lying. I hate this nigga. They hate each other. You know what I'm saying? He's so funny.

There's nothing funny because I've seen it with some of my homeboys where his girl got a friend like Missaria who'd be in the room just being like, oh, really? Oh, really? I'm like, hey, chill, you're thinking of block? I'm not, be real, bro. This is how I know.

When women like men, they put up when women like men they volunteer for the bullshit we think that what we're doing is working on them when really they like us yeah they're complying and they're going for it right yeah

when there is one lady who is not going for it yo you swimming uphill nigga yeah I could tell I'm not going to tell this story hey no you got to tell it you got to tell it keep the names out can't do it

I'm sparing you I'm sparing you. But like every once in a while, your homeboy has a home girl. Your home boy has a girl that you're seeing and she brings that friend around on purpose. Yeah. Just to throw cold water on everything that we're doing.

Like just she'll tell us about the niggas that they've been with that's better than us. Like we'd be out there hooping and playing basketball and they'd be like, man, I score a fight. You'd be like, yeah, you can't go left. I saw you, though. You'd be like, yo, man, what? Like, like, yo.

Like, I know about basketball. My dad used to take me to play basketball. My dad played for LSU. Like, I see you. Like, you went the same way every single time. Like, you can't, you say, yo, man, can we, what's going on?

Like, what's going on? But that, that girl. You got to tell a story. I can't tell it. I can't tell it. I legitimately can't. This was one that I legitimately can't tell. It's got to be really bad.

It's got to be bad. It's got to be. If he has this. restraint and not even a bottom five. This is, no, no, no. This one is, like,

this is one I legitimately can't tell. But, like, that character from Game of Thrones from House of the Dragon, we have, and I, I used to love it. There was legitimately,

in my crew, a Damon, what's your name again? Massaria. There was a Damian, Masaria, Reneera situation. Wait, wait.

My home boy was Damon. Mm-hmm. Then his girl was Reneer. Was Reneer. And then there, Her best friend? Huh? Her best friend was...

Her best friend was, yeah. Wow. Did your boy ever, like, get one in honor? He's like, damn, you lose every single time you go up. There was a way that he won the situation. Uh-oh. The brain reels, but it's probably really bad. There was a way that he won the situation.

And he had to be very deliberate. And I can't... I can't... I can't... No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't want to even do deep shadow protocol because all the audience is going to do is get pissed off. But there was a way, I remember there was a moment of full faculty

that he came to me. It was like, I got to solve this problem. And so, but there was a way that it happened. Nothing underhanded or bad or untoward happened in that way. It was a limitless moment where he was doing the math and he's like, I got this. I got to make a call. I got this.

And my boy, I, I, I tell you what, it was a hot fucking fall. Shit, I led a great life. That was a, that was some, ever, the whole fucking dorm was like, yo, what is going on? Like, now, okay. That's crazy. But, you know, people ended up actually having relationships and all that type of shit down, so you can't go back and do that now.

I've told a couple of these stories on tailgate, and that's because we're still building the audience over there. But if they go back and listen to that shit, then they can go be in trouble to it. All right. Is there anything else we got? Any of the other stuff that's happening? Like, whatever.

We've checked in with everyone. We checked in with all the dragons. We've checked in. Really, really quick. We did not go over Sir Christian Cole. Yeah, yeah. Oh, because Sir Kristen Cole, I thought he was out of the fight, man. Once he's like, oh, Renier on the crown,

he's like, hey, yo, so strategically what we're going to do is I'm like, nigger, where was this? Now, he's fueled purely by hate and spite. By hate. Yeah. Immediately once, hey, the Raven came in, your girl, she's on the throne now. It looks bad for y'all. And Wayne was like, hey, bro, it's looking kind of cut.

It's time to call her. He was like, if we die, we die. Right. If we die, hey, man. Because even in like, when we saw him into episode one, it's like, look, man, what are we going to do, bro? You know what I'm saying? It's over. They got dragons.

It's this and this. Now he got the battery in his back. He still know what's over. We're like, hey, man. I might as well. If I'm going to go out there. My daddy had nothing. If I'm going to go out there,

I'm going to die with more pride than he did. I was like, hey, I respect that. Could it be me? But you go do you, big dog. He's locked in. It's the wrong reasons, but he's there. You never want to be around a guy who's like, start talking about, hey, my daddy had nothing.

I'm like, all right. All right. All right. Yeah. What else? He's like, I got nothing to go back to you. I'm like, all right, man. And his guy is just like, oh, God.

Like, going to look at Lord, like, I got something to lose. You packed up. As soon as that happens, get out, man. Yeah. Way and looking around. But I did want to be like, hey, yo, cold, man. Westro's pretty big. That's a hell of a monologue, though.

Oh, he's great. He's cookie. Wait, did y'all watch Tass? Yeah. I still haven't seen it. You haven't seen Tass? Oh, he's a great. Because I was in there, I'm like, man, that's Chris Cole.

But by, like, episode two or three, like, nah, man. He's the one off this show where I'm like, damn, you got asses. and chops. But also, there was a moment where I'm like, y'all dumb. And she walks out, she's like, yeah, Damon not here. I'm like, hey, search the castle. Yeah, can you at least send a guy upstairs?

It's a big castle. All she's going to do is put them in the mirror dimension, though. Yeah. Be a little bit of a story. They're going to go, like, walk around the castle looking for different. That's a funny thing. You go over somebody and stuff. I'd be like, he's not here or not.

I'm like, Nick, I see you. They go in the... You can't hide Vagard of. No, you can't. So with Vagar and you can't. So with Vagar and you're kind of looking around like... They were looking around the chart remains like, all right, well, somebody's here.

Yeah, but they don't end up talking to brand. That's how they see Brat. You know what I'm saying? It's like, they're not going to see it. They don't go see it. They're not going to see it. All right, this is a weird question. Would y'all ever get into a relationship with a witch?

Like, let's say to witch is bad. Yeah. Okay. What? I'm going to be that meme of that dude. in the seance and she's just doing whatever. I mean, yeah, that's what you like, though. You like that, though. I don't know. I mean, just, but like,

so then, I mean, yeah, I guess so. What? Yeah. Like, willingly, like, willingly. I know she's a wish beforehand. Right. I mean, probably. What? All the hoodoo practitioners, I know. I think it would be tough to bring her back to my parents, but, you know. No. Right. There's don't like people who like to dance. That's not true.

Don't do that. Don't we're parents are the footloose parents? They're not the footloose parents. They're all the taking it to break. They are the footloose fans. Hey, don't let them, no, they're just, hey, hey, hey,

hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fuck that bullshit no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

go back and watch, go back and watch the original footloose is amazing. My parents like to dance, don't do that. Like, go back and watch the original

footloose to where he has to use the Bible to make them let them dance in the town. It was like, and they danced. And the moment hits you hard,

like, you know, because they're dancing in the Bible. That's showing me people. Your parents like to dance. They do like to dance. Yeah, but when they see that twerking, on the dance, they're like, all right.

Get that shit out of here. And the crazy thing is, it's like the African twerking is way more raunchy than America. You ever heard of Mapuka? You've heard of that. You know, the African dance of lust. Like, it's like. All right. Hold on.

Wait, wait. Wait, look at Macuca. Like, the African, like, that, that is way. Why, John we put us on? So, man, so Helena's pregnant. Have you? Who at, wait, like, Jome, Jomi, Jomey, Jome, Jome. I literally know Shamba.

You never heard of Mapuka? No. Hold on. Oh, boy. Yes, see. Oh, boy. Please don't tell me. Look at the Mapuka dance.

Okay, like, so like I'm saying. All right, that's going, that's going in the incognito browser. That's not, that's no. Bro. Why would it go in an incognito browser? Who else is going to be looking at your shit? You're afraid of yourself? I just don't want the algorithm jacked up.

You like the Mapooka, bro? Get into the Mapoca. You look like you'll be into it. Okay, Jolmi, you've never heard of this before? Yeah, how do you spell that? M-A-P-U-K-A. Or you could use an O as well. Is it?

It's either way. How does I spell it? M-A-P-C-O-C-O. Yeah, the M-P-O-O-O-K-A. You've seen that before. That's fine. Yeah, I know. Actually, it might be P-O-K-A.

M-O-P-O-U-K-A. Either way, it's the way it's the Mapuka. Hey, shout-out to them. Shout-A-S-A-O-S-A-A-A-F-A-A-A. But that's Africa. Yeah. So why doesn't it happen? Why is what's wrong with twerking?

So Helena, man, like it's really crazy. That she got, she got a baby now. Is that, is that? Yeah. I mean, you know that, yeah. Is it? It would have to be agons, right? Whoa.

Maybe not. Maybe she stepped out. No, that's, I think of agons. I don't want to spoil it for the audience. But it's interesting that she is having a third baby right now. That's all I can say, but it is of note. It is a note. Oh.

El Dada. Well, remember his, remember he, and during the Battle of Rook's Rest, they said his cock spit, spit like a sausage. Yeah. So this is before then. And so I guess she's just now beginning the show. And it's like, well, how long ago was Rook's Rest? Maybe, like, months. Had to be, probably months.

Probably like four or five. Wait, then. Because I was questioning that because I was like, damn, so Sunfire, if Sunfire is still, alive, Sunfire has been like fucking on-death store for... Well, we don't... Long in the Dine. I don't know that...

Do we know that Sunfire still alive? We don't know that. So the thing that they said in season two was Sunfire Long on the Dying. So like, wasn't dead but was not flying. And then obviously they go there. It's actually really interesting. You go look at Sunfire.

Sunfire, while like, is not moving, Um, Agon is like, he's alive. You go look at Maly's. Mayleys obviously has head cut off, but it's very, like, rotting. like very clearly. You don't see that with Synth Fire. Not exactly rotting, no.

So all saying we can wrap it up here is if you're looking at the Greens, I'm seeing a path for them to get back into contention. You team green now? I'm not team green. I'm not team green. But I'm just saying like they, I do like to wrote for the underdog. You get Sondfire back up and running. You know.

Taserian is there. Vigar. You got Dair. You got Daron with his. Dragon, so that's already three on the board. Dreamfire will never fly, so because that's Helena's Dragon. So you really have the three, but then you got to remember.

Carraxies and Damon, Syrax and the queen, Rainira. Then you got Ulf on a Silver Wing, Hugh on Vermethor, and then what's it called? So I haven't read the books, so I'm just predicting, I'm going for it,

I haven't read, I'm not spoiling anything, this is just my thoughts. If I'm the Greens, you know, I see, Ulf, off could be bought. Hey, he leaning? He's leaning. Corlis?

That nigga's leaning. Corlis. Oof, Oof is a free agent on the block. Oof is Jalen Brown. Like, Oph is Jalen Brown after in,

2010 he loosed to the Celtics. He took the jersey off immediately in the locker room. Oof is like ready. They pack me up. I could also see, Corlis, but Corlis can't do that, man.

Corlis got too much skin in the game. No, yeah. No, man. I mean, but I'll even say, you know, Hugh, I know Hugh was a man of honor, but Hugh would be begging. He's like, yo, just let me be with my wife. Yeah, it's all he needs. So I'm just seeing weakness.

I'm seeing a path for the greens where they can get back into contention. They can get in this case. Yeah, especially when they get, when they get aiming back off IR. Yeah. Right now they don't have it, you know. IR, man, he, he, uh, DMP, like, or not DMP, like, he's going, like, where's AIM? Who know, he didn't show up? Well, when you have, when you, when you're on IR, apparently, you get DMP.

No, no, but see, you're saying, like, IR, like, see, IRR means, you hurt. You're hurt. Right, but hurt. Right. Right. You still, you're not going to play. You would. Maybe you would.

Maybe you would. It depends on how bad the injury is. I mean, I, like, if his shit is fucked up, he's like, he's going to, I tell you what. If a nigga had gotten. He's absent without leave. He's absent without leave. got stabbed, he might not show up on the bench. Right, but nobody knows he got stabbed. He's literally absent without

Leaf. Hey, yo, where's Vegard? Where's A-Man? She was like, who knows? He's really absent without Leaf. On Sundays, got to stay locked in to talk to Thrones. It's very important that you guys do that. It's a big show here. We're really proud of it. On Friday,

the Midnight Boys will give you their instant reactions on the Odyssey. We're odding it the fuck up. Yeah. Okay, we're talking about it. talking about the controversy. We're talking about the movie. I'm not really controversy. People are just dumb.

People are not talking about that. We're not talking about that. It's so stupid. It's so stupid. I apologize. Okay. I'll produce today. L.A. is there.

Jacob, cornet. Devin Miroldi. Jomey a dinner on our socials. Hashtack. Mupuka Master Jomey. Hey. I can't believe you didn't know about it, bro. No.

It's African. So I got to know everything about Africa. I would expect that you would know about how Africans is moving. I know what diggers in Philly doing. I know what niggas in Georgia doing. I know what niggas Miami doing. I love them.

You always try to start shooting. I'm not trying to start anything. Ask about Jomey's birthday party. I was like, it is. Hey, no, no, no, Van during Jomey's birthday party. What Joe M's birthday party? What are you talking about? Oh, we were talking about the Blue Lagoon's?

Yes. Oh. There might have been a crowd of Jome's friends. We were already talking about that. They did that to themselves. We didn't do that. Everybody was together and then when all the Nigerians got there at Jomey's birthday Can we have a midnight point?

Which is insane because I can't, I can speak on it. Can you catch your question? Did it happen or not? It did happen, but you had to understand why it happened though. It's a midnight healing between the after. Because you being a dick hit about it. You are being a dick hit about it. Hold on away.

You were throwing gasoline on it a little. You were throwing a little gasoline on. We were all together. We were all aparting. By the way, just let you guys know, I didn't bring this up. This was brought up by Steve to colonizer. Steve brought up a colonizer move to drive a way. edge between me and Jomey.

No, no, no. I flipped the Flint once and the fire explodes. Me and Jomey went to the World Cup together with my mother. Okay, on Monday to watch the U.S. embarrassed themselves, okay? I had a little Belgium niggum niggil on the side of us going crazy. He was going crazy. Another lady was trying to get me to beat him up. It was like, get him.

But no, that happened at the birthday party. When that happened at the birthday party, we were all together, and then the African contingent legitimately in the middle of the party got together and made, went arm and arm, shoulder to shoulder. No, he did not.

No, we did. And I can't tell you why while we're recording. I can tell you after. You're going to look like an idiot. Yes, you will. It was a serious thing that happened. I completely agree with all of the stuff

that you guys are doing. Some kind of tragedy happened. No, no. We were celebrating something. It was something really nice and beautiful, but it was a secret. It was for us. It's for family.

Oh, it's for us. It's for us. It's for us. That was rough. It's for us. End the show. End the show. You're not for you.

And the show. And the show. It's not. It's not. Potential production of Arjulow, right? World's bias on the line. Fubu. Hey, was your man that brought up?

All right. We out. That's it. But sorry I'm talking that shit, Damon's a little cocky, and unfortunately, Travis Scott looks a little bit like this app.