The Ringer-Verse - ‘House of the Dragon’ Season 3 Finale Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: August 10, 2026

The Boys are back, blond, and excited to give you all of their thoughts on the ‘House of the Dragon’ Season 3 finale! They wrap up an exceptional summer of ‘House of the Dragon’ by diving into... Rhaenyra’s transformation throughout the season, the humor among some of the saddest moments in the show, and how Ulf might just be a fan favorite now. (0:00) Intro (4:30) Spoilers ahead (6:54) ‘House of the Dragon’ Season 3 finale reactions (1:14:58) Midnight Meter: ‘House of the Dragon’ Season 3 (1:26:56) Outro Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris, Devon Baroldi, and Jamie Yukich Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopowell SUPER TROOPERS 3, only in theaters August 7. Get tickets MEOW! https://www.searchlightpictures.com/super-troopers-3#get-tickets Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:20 Shout out Jake from Sprouts. I'm in the Sprouts and waiting in line for a sandwich. He's like, yo, you're Joe? I'm like, yeah, I'm Joe. He had the podcast up there in the Sprouts, man. Shout out of Jake. I see y'all the picture. I took a picture.
Starting point is 00:01:31 It was crazy. We're up right now, fellas. This is our time. We made it to Sprouts. We made it to Sprouts. We made it to Sprouts. They're really proud, bro. I'm really proud, Joe,
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Starting point is 00:01:54 Wait, where's the one where all the rich white ladies go. Aeroon. Airw. You're never making it to airw. You'll be able to make it. But that's going to be. That's what you shoot for. I was at Vaughn's last night.
Starting point is 00:02:07 That shit was Gotham, bro. Von's at night. Von's at night. Von's off. They got the Rouse off, what does call it? I, like the Rouse by the Grove. Rouse by the Grove.
Starting point is 00:02:19 Which one? By third, I think third and L'Obrea. Okay. That Rouse? Yeah. A little got for me. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:27 Oh, no, no, no. Third, yeah, Thur and LeBreya, right there. Yeah. Now look, Rouse, here's the thing about Rouse and Vons. Vons got all the stuff. No, yeah, it do.
Starting point is 00:02:34 Vons got all the stuff. It's just, maybe. It's one of the first, Vons is a little bit, it's chaotic in there. Yeah. If you, I was in there at like 930, 10, I was like,
Starting point is 00:02:43 Oh, by the way, we have to make sure that we get to the podcast sooner because I don't want to get another text from Dave Jacoby saying 21 minutes and you guys haven't gotten to the podcast yet. I want to let y'all, y'all guys know something. I don't text y'all niggas about y'all podcast. Taking notes from Jacoby now. That's my guy. That's my man. That's an OG in this. What episode was that?
Starting point is 00:03:06 Last week. I can't think of any time I texted anybody and went. It's like, hey, man, you need to get to get it. Now your breaks quicker. What the fuck you are right now? Jacobi right is where? Can we live? Can we fucking live? Endanguey Jacobi's world? Can we live? That's my guy. Yeah, he's the man. He is. Super nice guy. Funnyest guy around.
Starting point is 00:03:24 Oh, hilarious. Like, very funny. Now, we're on YouTube, like, comment, subscribe, share. You can watch every Midnight Boys, every House of Our episode on YouTube.com backslash at Ring Reverse and also on Spotify. Programming Reminders. Today, the House of R has an interview with Ryan Condo. Now, who is that again? Showrunner. Showrunner.
Starting point is 00:03:42 I know that was. On Wednesday, the Midnight Boys are back to discuss the season finale of X-Men 97. We might have a special guest on that. We might have a special guest on that. So on Thursday, Budmash previews Wolverine and Star Wars Zero Company. What is Star Wars Zero Company?
Starting point is 00:03:58 It's basically like, you know, like those tactical games like X-com and stuff like that? It's just like moving soldiers on a chess R-T-S real-time strategy? Yeah, not real-time it's turn-based. Oh, turn-based. Oh, God, it's even worse. No, it's great. It's basically that for Star Wars. But it's on a console.
Starting point is 00:04:13 Yeah. Like, Halo Wars. Yeah, just like Halo Wars. I don't know why I ask y'all what this shit is when I have no frame of reference for what the fuck y'all be talking about. This is how I know like I'm a nerve, but I'm not that deep. Because I was just like, you started talking about shit.
Starting point is 00:04:25 I was like, I have no idea. No clue what it is. No clue. Shout out to Ryan Condal. Today, the Midnight Boys give you their instant reactions to the season three finale of House of the Dragon. We are at the end. The sprint is over for the dragons, man.
Starting point is 00:04:41 Penn Ultimate season. We only got one more season left. Eight episodes left, fellas. Eight episodes of the show left. It's been a wild ride. Okay. So we're going to get into the show. We're going to spoil a whole bunch of things.
Starting point is 00:04:52 Hopefully you've already watched it. If you have it, Steve, Spillow Warning. We're getting ready to talk about Harrison the Dragon. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Okay.
Starting point is 00:05:12 To begin our reactions, we're going to bring you the Midnight Manifest will Chuck puts you in the know for all the need to know for House of the Dragon. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for House of the Dragon Season 3 finale directed by Andrei Parig, written by Ryan Condal and Ty McEl. Renair is woken to the news that Agon and Sunfire have returned. This sends the queen spiraling.
Starting point is 00:05:35 Renira sends Damon to quash at the Orman, uprising in Tumbleton, disemises Misaria from the council and ships her off to Pentos, force feeds her sister Helena, who's on a hunger strike, marches on the set to the declare herself the prince who was promised. And not the worst thing that happens this episode, but definitely not the best. The Ardian jumps out of her a little bit when she gets a little too comfortable touching Baila's face. Meanwhile, Amon continues to have a hard time in Herod.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Alice reveals that she's a 100-year-old witch to haunt the halls of the castle after using dark magic to try and keep her son alive, who was also the last heir of King Heron. Soon after Agan shows up with Sunfire, Amid admits he tried to kill his brother because of his jealousy. Agan tells Amon he will only forgive him after the two joined forces to take down Reneera and reclaim the Iron Throne at the Battle of Tumbledon. Ormond's plan devolves after losing a drunken Ulf in the city. Sir Gwain offers up Corliss to Damon, seeing that they're marching towards their death. However, Damon refuses the peace offering.
Starting point is 00:06:26 By the time Orman finds Ulf, he slaps the Dragon Rider around. This leads Ulf to take his frustration out on both sides and burn the city to cinders. Damon escapes with Corlis to live another day. Back at King's Landing, Renera marches on the set, kills the maister, who denied her the crown, and gives a tyrannical speech that moves no one in the crowd. When Reniro returns to the Red Keep, she finds that Helena has jumped out of the window to her death. That has been your very long midnight manifest for House of the Dragon season three finale. I will start with you, Van, instant reactions.
Starting point is 00:06:58 Ben, what are you looking at over on the computer? Nothing. What's he looking at the computer? I'm not telling you. I'm looking at the 2014 Hercules movie. Anyway, so I thought this was a great episode. I'm talking about from a character standpoint, from an entertainment standpoint,
Starting point is 00:07:19 from the standpoint of scale, lots of stuff happening, lots of high leverage things happening. I thought it was a very, very, very good season finale for the show. And we got the full arc of Renair into our villain. Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:36 Yo, Mint, boys, Jome? I was really worried about the episode because a lot of good things were happening, but I thought it was going to be like a redux of season. of the season finale season two, where they get right up to the point
Starting point is 00:07:48 where they're about to fight and then we have to wait two years. But once the action started, I was like, okay, now we're cooking with some gas. And to his point, I thought this was an incredible episode. So many things, so many arcs that got resolved in this episode, some things they set up for the future,
Starting point is 00:08:02 some things at the end right now, but I was completely enthralled. I'm really glad that we were able to get the fight, that we didn't get the end of season two. We got the fight that was supposed to end season three in this episode. And so I'm really glad that it all came together. Yeah, I think the season was kind of weighed down in two was weighed down very much with like the note of like, where are the battles?
Starting point is 00:08:23 Why aren't things happening? And then obviously this season made up for it tenfold both in the beginning and the ends of this season. I think the battles, of course, were amazing. But I was really, really intrigued by how suddenly funny this episode was. And like kind of balls to the wall entertaining for what Game of Thrones is. known for and the kind of like incredible acting chops from like all of our key players that make this show like a real good tent pole for what the like high stakes television spectacle can be in the year of our Lord 26.
Starting point is 00:09:03 Chuck loved it. I've like loved the battle. I thought everything that was happening with Matt Smith, Damon, Corliss, Warmer. that was just like so great. Love how this show continues to do all of their battle scenes. The Rainera stuff, a little fast for me. The Breaking Bad, like she had been slowly breaking bad all season. And when it, like, everything kind of lights on fire,
Starting point is 00:09:36 I thought it might have been a little too cartoonish. Like, everything was happening so fast. there was part of me that wished more of the season had been about that and less about like the gold cloaks shenanigans. I disagree!
Starting point is 00:09:53 Family! I want a vehement disagree button we should all have. We would be using it all the time. All the time. I think we have disagreements but they're rarely vehement. Right.
Starting point is 00:10:03 I vehemently disagree. Would it be that? So let me tell you why I vehemently disagree. Let me think, I like your hair. Thank you. I like, you know what I mean? Because like, we all got, we all blondes, but this is a very important thing
Starting point is 00:10:16 just in the world. But we different blondes. Yeah. Yeah. We belongs with the locks. You belongs with that? Is this still blonde? This seems more like platinum.
Starting point is 00:10:25 Is it platinum? No, you can be a platinum blonde. But this isn't platinum blonde. That's like, what is it? This is a platinum. It's still looks silver. This is still gray. Silver's not bon.
Starting point is 00:10:34 Okay, because silver is not blonde. No, this is gray. This is not blonde. Cisco's not a blonde. No. That's chrome. This is closer to Cisco. then it is... Okay, well, then what's the difference between silver and platinum blonde?
Starting point is 00:10:44 Platinum blonde, because platinum blonde looks like... Platinum blonde is just like bright blonde with like a little bit of white in it, I believe. Right, but I'm saying if you say a platinum... Like Emma... Emma Frost to me is like a platinum blonde. What's the difference between aqua and turquoise, you know, it's just... It's a name for a different type of color, man. Nah, that's not... I love when you try to be that way, and then it doesn't work.
Starting point is 00:11:03 Because you can say it's a deeper shade, it's a lighter shade, it's a more... It's a shade that goes this way. But you know what? I don't want to talk about that because I try to explore something. with my friends and it gets thrown back. I would just say it's the difference between Eminem and Cisco to me. I feel that. Because Cisco was not blonde.
Starting point is 00:11:17 You can't say he was blonde. Silver. Eminem was a little. But you know what he was? A dragon. Dragon. Okay. So let me tell you why I vehemently disagree.
Starting point is 00:11:25 Fiamently. And I vehemently disagree because I thought that even last episode or the one before that even, I thought it's just going to take one thing to make her go. What they were able to do was. load up to me effectively. And I'll be interested to see how people feel about this because there's going to be some people that agree with you. Load up enough stressors on her
Starting point is 00:11:50 and enough questions on her to where the only remaining option for her is to be exactly who Damon said she should have been the entire time. Right. Because that is really the thing that she's been doing. He's been there the entire time almost exasperated with her. You're going to have to kill him. She didn't want to do it. She did not want to do it. This season to me with her character was a test of her own goodness.
Starting point is 00:12:16 Like what, she's not in this anymore for, for the people. She never really was. Yeah. She never really really was. That was what she told herself to be able to get through it, to be able to do some of the really terrible things she's had to do and really endure some of the losses that she's had to endure in order to get to the point that she is right now.
Starting point is 00:12:34 But when you get to the end of it, it was never, she treats people very poorly. It was never really about anything more than herself. And when she learns Agon is alive and Sunfire is alive, it's just like, you know what, man, fuck it. I tried. This niggas half burnt. His dragons half burnt. Now what the fuck do I do? Let's try it your way.
Starting point is 00:12:58 The straw that broke the camel's back. Right. All the entire season is her dealing with these things, like whether it's the people or Damon or she's and like all that stuff. and then when A, actually the person who's supposed to rule, remember we said he was dead, just kidding, he's alive, his drag is alive, everybody is now coalescing on him as the actual ruler. I got to step up, I got to do something. And that makes her act out. Yeah, I'm curious because, like, yes, this has kind of been the, like, emotional, like, she's fighting against, like, the, like, the upstream battle of, like, trying to be, like, the, quote unquote, good ruler of King's Landing while still trying to, like, quell Damon and his urges to kind of just like trash and burn everything and like actually conquer.
Starting point is 00:13:44 And the idea that this really came to the to a head in this episode, I do believe it. Emma Darcy incredibly performs it. But I kind of agree with you, Charles, that like it's always great to have more runway for that. Because that's the most compelling thing that happens to her at the end of this season. And it's kind of more so accentuated in episode three, I believe, where it's just her in the kingdom. kind of having a stressful day. I wanted more of that. And that descent into Madas, like,
Starting point is 00:14:13 that episode lays a perfect runway from like, okay, you could easily see how she's going to make this turn here. But I could kind of, I kind of would have wanted it to be more. And I also think what I was maybe bumping up against is, if I remember correctly, the prophecy is not as tied to the books.
Starting point is 00:14:32 And they are like doubling down on, part of me, thought it would have been more interesting for Reneira to turn bad for all of the reasons that are all right. She's lost lovers. She's lost children. She's been at war. People don't think a woman can rule.
Starting point is 00:14:51 All of that stuff to me is just like great fodder to, for someone to break bad. I think it was more so, I don't want to say like crazy, but the dissent into madness that comes from the prophecy was the thing that kind of. rang the most false. I'm like, there's already so many reasons she should just be like burn them all to the ground. It was the prophecy part that I was like, it feels like this jigsaw puzzle isn't connecting as much as I would.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Jomey doesn't fucking agree with you. Well, I don't completely disagree. I do think like there is a better way to be like, yeah. Jome doesn't like you. She's lost all, she's lost sons, people that she's really loved and cared about have died. But also,
Starting point is 00:15:29 Reneera is not a good person. No, none of these are good people. She's incredibly selfish. The entire, this entire thing is because her dad, told her that she was supposed to rule and then someone usurped her and she's like no, it's mine, it's mine, it's mine. Right? If she does all those things
Starting point is 00:15:45 for her, if she turns bad because I lost somebody, this and that, like yeah, you can still like empathize with her and we can the show can still humanize her. But her turning bad because it's supposed to be me. Forget all that. It's supposed to be me. This is my birthright. Then you kind of like,
Starting point is 00:16:03 yo, Reneera. Let's just chill out a little bit. But it's been true to everything that she's been up until this point. She's just screamed it for the first time. But the birthright to me makes sense. Yeah. Her initial anger, especially in that first season of my father said I should rule,
Starting point is 00:16:20 it got snatched away from me. I can understand that. Same thing when she's crying over Jason's body. I can understand that. I can also understand the prophecy. It was just, I don't know what at, like to me that still feels like something that was tacked on.
Starting point is 00:16:35 I don't know if it feels tacked on, but I would say that because we know it's garbage. Right. That's the thing. But the sale to the people. But it's also not garbage. So this is the thing that is not garbage at all. Not for her.
Starting point is 00:16:48 Not for like the entire world, but for her. We know it doesn't happen for her. I know we know it doesn't happen for her. But what the show and the character are litigating is destiny versus belief. Everyone believes that they have a destiny. Everyone thinks that there is a destiny. Well, all of these stories we told about people like, You think about the stories that we tell.
Starting point is 00:17:09 The really interesting stories are the ones where you subvert your destiny. And you go, oh, my God, this is what the fucking old wise man told me I had to do. And then the old wise man goes, ha, ha, ha. You do what you want to do is, you know. That's basically Avatar of the last Saturday. Yeah, like, right, you do whatever you want to do. Like, whoever they said you were supposed to do is what you're supposed to do is figure out your own destiny and the best way to serve humanity. But, like, in her story is the story of the Targaryians.
Starting point is 00:17:34 That's why when she gives that speech to the people at the end, what she is. essentially is describing is their doom. And she can't see it because she's a Targaryen. And her being exalted is their doom. So she's saying, hey, all of this stuff happened. All of these people were together. And then he came and he united all of the kids, and he's protecting everything, is I'm doing it for you. But what she doesn't say is that, man, we had to kill five, six million people. We had to go through and burn up all of these people that you know. We have to establish this kingdom where most of you guys live in squalor, but we're doing it all to protect you because we are gods and you are just people.
Starting point is 00:18:22 That's in you if you are a Targaryian, particularly if you are a Targaryen that's in line for the throne. Now, we watch all of these other characters that have that color hair go off and do side quests and side missions when they are not burdened with protecting the entire realm and living up to this thing as some kind of more than human demigod, right? When they can just go to the wall or go do whatever. But when you're in that spot, you have to believe. And she's really believed the whole time, but she's been trying to trick herself into thinking
Starting point is 00:18:52 she's something more than one of those people. When she found out he was back, she also found out something else. She found out that they believed in him. That's what broke her. What broker was when he came back, back, okay, so there's a claim. That's cool. Whatever. But when he came back, he was a direct rebuttal or he was refuting her standing as the one that is promised. Because now the people believe in him, they think the fact that Agon is alive is proof. It's the second coming. It's
Starting point is 00:19:27 like Agan's burns might as well be a stigmata, right? So like, looking at that, she's like, okay, well, fuck it. They believe in him now. That's not the way this is supposed to go. The only thing I have to do now is just choke everything out to where in my dominance, they'll have no choice but to believe in the prophecy. So the thing that really to me ran her crazy. I'm not, I can understand what you guys are saying.
Starting point is 00:19:49 I think it actually makes a lot of sense. But I thought it was, I thought it was apt for her to break right there because now the belief system is being corrupt. The narrative of him coming back is more for the people to believe in. than a queen that's just supposed to be there. Everything that she was doing, everything to force their belief or to earn their belief
Starting point is 00:20:13 in something that she doesn't just believe in, her entire identity is oriented around it, right? So that's why her saying, fuck it, I'm going to go to the septum and now we're going to kill. She did not do that before. She wanted them to believe in her. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:27 Now she knows it's impossible. And the guy actually says it the guy goes, okay he's come back that's even that's more proof that you're yeah and she goes you know what fuck it the only thing I have left it's like a commentary on a modern rule I stop like a filibuster after this
Starting point is 00:20:43 the only thing I have left is to fucking make you believe and when everybody else is dead and I'm here you don't have any choice if you guys don't believe me I kill all of these people and I put somebody in there that does so like by the time she got to that point I felt like it was earned and I felt like
Starting point is 00:21:00 Agon being alive was the perfect thing to make snap. No, I mean, the Agon and Amon and stuff to me not to piggyback off what Chris Wright is it. Like, I think what happened
Starting point is 00:21:11 in this episode is the Greens are just so much more fascinating to me now. Because when Agon realizes Sunfire is back, he almost loses it. Where it's like he finally becomes, maybe not
Starting point is 00:21:25 the king he should have should have been all along, but let's say he would have still been on the throne if he had some of this juice, he's looking at, hey. Yeah. No, I will say the other thing, like,
Starting point is 00:21:36 I like the C-Barran, but I was like, damn, Aman, Harenhall really got to you. He's not even fighting it back at this point. That's gross, though. But that's also what Harenhall does to you. That is true. That's what Herald? Because, I mean, remember last start,
Starting point is 00:21:48 last, the end of last season, when Damon, when Reneer finally showed to Haring-Hall, and Damon was like, look what I did for you. He bent the knee to, he bent the knee to his king. Shout out Tom Glenn Carney, because he went crazy in that season. He was so funny. He was great.
Starting point is 00:22:03 I'm alive. Got, like, hilarious. And then he read his brother for filth, dog. But he was still like, hey, we're going to need Vagar. Yeah, of course. At first, he was, he didn't, he wanted him to be regular aiming. And by the way, I don't know what he thought he was going to do. I guess he was going to burn him with some fire.
Starting point is 00:22:25 Yeah. Right. Yeah, but like he was, but he came there. Did he know, yeah, he had known. He had already heard that Vigar wasn't. But look, to me, that scene where he goes, oh, man. I was supposed to enjoy this. I was supposed to enjoy this.
Starting point is 00:22:39 I love that. I loved it, too. It was great. Is Alice now the ultimate mouth? Because when when Aiman found out she was 100, he was like. Oh, he was like back in. He was like, when she walked in, like, his brother was like, oh, that's my patrol. That's my wife.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Like, she was telling that story. And I was like, damn, you've been a lot for a hundred fucking years trapped in this fucking castle. I was really fucking sad. No, no. I don't think she can leave the castle, though. I think that's part of her curse is that she can't leave the Riverlands or anything like that. So when Amon's like, yeah, you're going to get Vagar out of here, you got to, you come in with me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:21 And she's like, no, you can't leave because she's going to be alone again. Yeah. And I know that we complain a lot about, like, how slow the show gets when we get to Heron Hall. But I think this was actually a really great. Not justification, but I think a use of the lore of Harrenhall and what it does to not only people in that realm. But it's a great metaphor for what Reneer is going through right now when somebody is trying to fight against that fate that is already determined for them or already destined for that. Alice has tried everything. Got all those maesters, tried witchcraft and failed.
Starting point is 00:23:54 And then the price for all of that is your curse to this place and you live here for 100 years. I mean, but the thing that I always found what was interesting in the first Game of Thrones about prophecies is that most of the time they were either bullshit or it was the prophecy that would undo people. The more that they believed in the prophecy, the more that they would just sign their own fate. And that's what I always felt like worked in that original show, which it was like, you actually think it's going to go this way, but you can't control your destiny. You can't control your fate. And the more that you think that you are the prince that's promised, the more that you're. or not. And that's what I do think works with how
Starting point is 00:24:31 Reneira sees the world. Where it's like the reason that even she has to dismiss Masaria to me is because like that's her last moment of weakness and humanity as a ruler. And she can't stand to have this person who basically saw her at her lowest
Starting point is 00:24:47 where she was begging her to just be like, am I worthy? Am I really this person? But it was Masaria was rough. Money on the dresser. That was That's a man. That's what happens. Just like, yo, explain.
Starting point is 00:25:01 I mean, you think that they respect you, but then they show you that they don't. I mean, you think that they respect you. You think that they tell you that they're going to come into your, you know, how oftentimes wonder what happened the next year after Pretty Woman? I oftentimes wonder. All right, don't get a sad now. How do you know, how do you know that they didn't live together happily ever after? They might have. They might have.
Starting point is 00:25:24 It's that any of the graduate where they're just sitting on the bus then? Could have been, or it could have been, or it could have been Pretty Woman. to divorce. Okay. I often wonder if he could truly accept her because she had a heart of goal she hadn't been doing it for that long. You know how they slipped that in the movie, right? She only been doing it for a couple of weeks because right, because if she, if he
Starting point is 00:25:39 did, in Pretty Woman, if he'd say it to her how long he'd been doing this? And she'd have been like, I'm seven years in this motherfucker. Right. Maybe he looks at it differently because he looks down on her. How would this have affected this in the Only Fans era? What? Like, a Pretty Woman took place now. I mean, look, at this point, that's
Starting point is 00:25:56 how Pretty Woman starts. You see her and then like, whatever. I mean, the niggas don't care anymore, and that's great. Right. Was we've taken these things away. We are about to touch the radio. But like, but I'm saying that's great, that's great. That's great. But what I'm saying is, in this situation, treating her like that shows me that you never really loved her and fucked with her
Starting point is 00:26:14 and, like, valued her in the first place. Can Masaria go back to her home girl? I would have, I would have, I would have gone. Oh, no. I would have taken. I would have got on that boat to penthouse, bro. I forgot all about it, man. She got more to do.
Starting point is 00:26:25 She worked for a lot of this shit. got now, now, you know what? She was good. She got paid out. She has service. Yes. She, the minute she got off that fucking wagon, I'm like bruh, the dragons are descending. You got bought out of the contract. You just go. Look, at this point, I'm, if I'm her,
Starting point is 00:26:41 I'm like, you know what? Fuck it, man. Let me make some trouble in it. That's what I love about this episode. Make some trouble. Make some trouble. She can make some trouble. She knows she goes trouble. She's resourceful. What I liked about this episode is it felt like everybody broke
Starting point is 00:26:55 out of the chains and shackles that were locking them in. Everybody made the wrong decision. It's a episode full of wrong decisions, right? But Ulf is, he is the thesis for this episode. Because the thesis of his episode is, you know what? Fuck you too. That's what this is about is fuck you two.
Starting point is 00:27:19 Renera to the goddamn set guys. You know what? Fuck you two. Ulf with his dragon, buss into you and coming around, burn them up. No, it was so funny. He went the long way around. He spun that. He spun that block crazy.
Starting point is 00:27:34 There is done. Like, Oph is drunk. He on the back of the dragon. The one fucking thing, Ormond, what a fucking ridiculous mistake. So, Damon smacked Oph around, and that's what pissed him off. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:49 And then Ophan does the same thing. And Oph is like, you know what, bro? Fuck you, dog. I'm not defending it, but if I'm Ormond, first of all, you know I got my nose is weak and your fucking dick is out fucking on the fucking
Starting point is 00:28:02 Can I ask you to come look for me? Yeah I didn't know you had one job Oaf had one job dog Crazy That's facts But you but to me I'm not like
Starting point is 00:28:12 Don't put your hands on me dog That's yeah I wasn't fucking what Oaf Because he was up in the fucking tavern He was demanding a trade He was talking crazy about Damon man He was drunk He was drunk
Starting point is 00:28:25 That excuse me Yeah that's excuse me Hey, you know what? All that shit is okay. Just don't put your hands on me. You smack me around in front of people. I'm going to burn your dumb ass up. Well, I didn't burn him up.
Starting point is 00:28:35 I'm going to burn up. I'm going to burn me. Don't fucking smack me and then send me on the dragon to go do your bidding. I got a dragon. Flying under the influence is crazy. That is bad. So I will say, it was like,
Starting point is 00:28:48 not the longest part of the episode, but what I thought was really genius is that Damon is almost in the, he is in the, position now where maybe for the first time ever he sees what dragon fire can do from the ground yeah and when he wakes up it's like oh he was shook shit what did we do what happened i want to ask joey explainer because i you know i was doing my googles and shit in in the book isn't it oaf and hugh that that turn and it seems like in this episode
Starting point is 00:29:27 episode, Hugh didn't turn, but Damon definitely does see him being like, why the fuck are you here? Yeah, well, he, because nobody, again, all hell is broken loose. Nobody's falling in destructions, right? He can, nobody can find off. Hugh, like, Hugh was supposed to be guarding, he's supposed to be on Vormor Thor at King's Landing, but he's there to, you know, try and rest to his wife. Yeah. Like, it's just, like, completely held the scout trip messed up. I think C-Smok is supposed to be there in this battle as well in the book. So, like, be a lot of moving pieces, like, obviously. I mean, there's a lot of things. I mean, we've talked about it all season.
Starting point is 00:29:58 A lot of things have changed from the book to the show. But I think in this particular battle, they encompassed just the nightmare that Tumbledon was. The battle was incredible. I mean, a spectacle for sure. But just the devastation, the loss, and the absolute just like, holy crap, what the hell are we doing here?
Starting point is 00:30:17 Aspect of that battle is just on screen for all to see. It's amazing. Is this battle, I don't know if I agree with the politics, but you could go back and say to Reneera, hey, just to be real, if you start handing out the nuclear codes to a motherfucking, this is kind of what you're signing up for. So it's really funny. In the books, Jace is like, hey, Jace is like, don't do this.
Starting point is 00:30:46 You start giving this stuff to people. They don't think they're us. They don't think they're as powerful as us. And they're going to act untowards. So wait So the common folk The poor folk don't get drag No
Starting point is 00:30:59 Of course not I mean Jay's called the mongrels Yeah He's like yo We can't We can't do this This is not a good idea Again you start giving people
Starting point is 00:31:07 Hey man Hey Oof You're the little homie But we're gonna give you a dragon What happens Off he's a man now Off out there Well you also treat him like shit
Starting point is 00:31:14 Well not but even still though Right like even before that He was like yeah I'm the man Yeah he went Remember you went back to his home time Went back to the time It's like yo The problem is they true
Starting point is 00:31:23 I'm bringing them like the help because I will say this is not the worst thing that happened in the episode. But when Reneira grabbed Bela, I was like, hey, yo. Okay, well, we got to talk about it. Yeah, yeah. I was like, this is. I mean, like, Brinera was messing up the whole episode. That had, that was, that was, that was racial. That was racial.
Starting point is 00:31:41 Renara racial? Racial. Racial. Because she grabbed Bela. It's in your blood. It's in your blood. What does that mean? That was a lot.
Starting point is 00:31:47 I was like, like, come on, race. Absolutely. Come on, man. I don't think it was race. You don't think so I don't think it was race You don't think it was right Val A they don't think it for the first time
Starting point is 00:31:58 For the first time Valade they don't think it's race Britsch is built As a matter of fact I think that it's really disgusting How you guys have indulged into race baiting To answer questions of plot
Starting point is 00:32:11 That are in a I know you not I don't know race out of it I know you want to bring up a note set Well no no A I saw another one That's what I facetimes you about.
Starting point is 00:32:25 That's what I facetined you about. I fast-tived you because in Widows Bay, in the car. Oh, God. Like when it's all of them in the car in Widows Bay, I was, a friend of mine, okay. So I got to finish, let me finish the story. So in Widows Bay, when they're all in the car, is his Evan, and everybody is in the back, and there's a black girl right there. Right. Another one dropped.
Starting point is 00:32:46 A friend, a freshman just dropped. Okay. Number one. But I have to stop doing this for real. That's why I would like if you guys stop bringing it up. Because a friend of mine went to a meeting at Warner Brothers. Oh. A meeting at Warner Brothers.
Starting point is 00:32:59 This is the true story that he told me. So I don't know. I can't say if it was a meeting at Warner Brothers. And he says, he mentions my name in the meeting. And he goes, isn't that the guy that doesn't like biracial people? That's not a thing. Okay. I love that they immediately just got it.
Starting point is 00:33:16 Oh, he just dates biracial people. I'm telling you. My man hit me up and he goes, I have a funny story to tell you. That's right. I'm meeting at that. I don't want, okay, you know, I've been asked to stop and so maybe some of those same people
Starting point is 00:33:26 are going around the time. That's not what happened. See? All right. And so I'm not saying that. I think maybe it's time to issue an apology to the biratials.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Does that camera right there? I would just like to take this time to address the biracial community on behalf of things that have been said on this podcast and on how our learning. in the podcast and just let you guys know that we are one. I recognize and understand
Starting point is 00:33:56 that we are one. You missed the, I'm sorry. For what? You missed the, I apologize. For what? If you're going to apologize. We are one big black community. I am sorry for making you feel
Starting point is 00:34:12 belittled or less than. This might be the biracial agenda, though. If, if. No, no, no. If I'm sorry. If I said anything, if I said anything that offended you, my bad. All right. All right.
Starting point is 00:34:32 That's what. No, fuck off. But while we're getting spicy, Adam's a house negro. What? Wait, which one's the ball? Alan. Allen is a house Negro, right? Hey, bro.
Starting point is 00:34:45 First of all, bring up that. What's the actor's name again? Because we want to say this very clearly. We're not talking about the actor himself. No, no, no, no, no. But I got to be real. I completely agree. I was, I, I, it really hit me hard.
Starting point is 00:35:00 I'm like, damn. When Rener was in his ear about like, you are the blood of all, he took, he put on the helmet, he became the feds. Yeah. Immediately. Killed a priest. That's how you know, because that's not something that a sister, but what I had you going to church and she's not in her hands dirty.
Starting point is 00:35:16 She made him do it. I'm like, you do. You want to kill the priest. He looked at his brother like, get the fuck out of here. But think about that, turned his back on his brother, on his brother for a white woman. Hey, guess what? Oh, for Roonnier. For a white woman.
Starting point is 00:35:32 I will say he turned his back on a black queen because he's like, hey, yo, did you hear what she did to baila? Man, fuck off. Okay. Not to defend, Alan. I knew this will come from. All right. Just go ahead. But do the same thing.
Starting point is 00:35:47 This is all I ask. Do the same thing to him. It better be good, Jomey. What's the difference? What's there to the thing? He has always been about duty and he has always been about following orders. That has been his entire life at the shipyard, with his father, that was for nearer. He is not a guy who asks any questions.
Starting point is 00:36:09 Yeah. When he's pointed somewhere, he does it. Would this have been the opportunity time for him to look in the room and be like, hey, man, maybe I need to decide to make my own, I need to decide, I got to make my own decisions. I need to do something for me, absolutely 110%. But this is extremely in line with the guy we've known for what, two seasons now, which is if you point him somewhere, he will do it, he would do it without fail, and he will like honestly probably succeed.
Starting point is 00:36:37 That's the kind of guy's- That's why she went to him. Do you think he has ambition like his brother said? No. I don't think he has ambition at us at all. That's why when she's like, hey, go be my sword, he's going to go be the sword. Despite the fact that we're saying they're like, brother, this is a horrible idea. Listen to your brother.
Starting point is 00:36:53 He's got sense. But here's the thing. Your dad is captured. All of the soldiers that you want to boss around now are like, hey, that is our lord. Is it fuck him, then Bela, who like, you're supposed to be in love with, I guess. He's like, fuck her. And then your own brother is like, hey, man, come on. I need you to lock in.
Starting point is 00:37:13 That one friend that just wants to keep the job. Do anything to keep the job. I mean, look, what Jombe said makes a lot of sense. But a lot of times, you know, those are the types of things that we expect culture to override. So that's kind of what makes you like Uncle Tom. What makes you an Uncle Tom, a lot of times is when you go, when, you know, I'm getting cuffed and I look over at you. And you look because you're back in the blue. I'm like, what about the black, nigger?
Starting point is 00:37:42 Like, you know what I'm saying? You don't let him talk to me like this? Like, you see these fuck-ass cops, whatever. But so what I'm saying is that is the type of thing that kind of makes him that. If we were calling him that, maybe it's not fair. Maybe it's very consistent with his character. But at the same time, it did seem like in this situation, there was a clear choice for his character to make between the connections that have been made in his family, the new family that he has and all of that stuff. And what really felt like self-advancement at a point.
Starting point is 00:38:14 Really? Yeah, because Adam did not do this. same thing. Adam goes up and Adam is like pulling on him going, hey, there are a lot of people here, people here that we need to kind of keep in the front of our mind. And his thing is he's been asked to do this.
Starting point is 00:38:31 So yeah, she probably understands that he is duty bound in a way that a lot of the characters aren't. And she operationalized it, but at the same time, what, the way we view character, the way we view loyalty is in a personal relationship and not necessarily a, like a loyalty to an entity. And he knows he already cursed.
Starting point is 00:38:51 I felt so bad. Once he killed old dude, he looks at the sword. He's like, fuck, man. He's like, I've cursed my line for generations now. You can't be doing that.
Starting point is 00:39:00 You can't kill the Pope, man. You can't do that. That's brutal. There's, I mean, we talked about it when we were watching it. But a lot of things happen this episode.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Characters do a lot of things that they can't walk back from. Like Damon killing kids? Come on. Those two kids rolled up. the way. Run the footage. No, all right.
Starting point is 00:39:20 He killed those kids. He was not doing that. He said Dr. Karras, he did not wait. He was, he was, he was going to kill them. He was going to kill them.
Starting point is 00:39:28 I don't think he did, but he definitely was going to kill those kids. My thing is like, why allow like is, I get it, but like why why even give it to him, why give him the hesitation situation?
Starting point is 00:39:40 Do we, are we still trying to wrestle with Damon? No, no, because remember when before he left, Reneer was like, Yo, don't embarrass me. Don't do nothing crazy out there now. And he was like, I got you. Regular, brother, regular day,
Starting point is 00:39:53 we would burn that whole thing, would burn the whole time, burn the kids, burn the old woman, burn everybody. Me like, ah, tough. Hey, you gotta get the dog. It was funny when the messenger rolls up to the warty. They put kids up here. Yeah, Dave's just like, God damn.
Starting point is 00:40:08 Hello, Ringiverse fans. I regret to inform you that due to the initiation of Deep Shaddle Protocol, this bit had to be edited out of the pod. I know. I'm just as disappointed as you are. Thanks as always for listening. And the Midnight Boys, Poo Poo Poo!
Starting point is 00:40:25 We'll get back to you shortly. It's not funny. It's not funny. It's not funny. Oh, my God. I can't breathe. My head hurts. We're not even going to get into some of the subtle political messages that were
Starting point is 00:40:40 that were shoved into this show. Oh, my God. Let's go. Let's go to the high towers real quickly. Oh. All right. What's your man? The top high tower night guy?
Starting point is 00:40:52 Orme? Or not Orman. Or, Joe, uh, Bole John Rockston. No. He's a man. He's a man. Yeah. Like, he's the heavy.
Starting point is 00:40:59 Gwain. Gwen. Yeah. So, Gwain. Back to Gwain. Gwain is uncillable. Like, crazy. Like, like, short of Huey and the boys, does the plot armor not solve for him?
Starting point is 00:41:09 I'm starting to fuck with Gwain's character so much because all Gwain is doing in this. is surviving people with fucked up ideas. Surviving Sir Christian Colt. And he just knows, I love a character that knows just when to cut their fucking losses. Like, he's not going down with the Death Star or getting blown up on any. He's like, you know what, man, it looks like the rebels got you guys.
Starting point is 00:41:33 I'm out. Right. And so he's done this several different times at the end of this episode when it pops up and he's not dead. I'm like, this motherfucker, he knows how to keep him. I mean, I even love where he, like, he's trying to find his. his nephew, he runs the nephew
Starting point is 00:41:46 about to pull out the drag. He's like, hey, yo, come on. Well, that's a good team because he's like, yo, he doesn't say his name, but he invokes Christian. He's like, yo, man, I've seen people act a fool when they know their time's coming. My homie did that. Your uncle's doing that. You don't have to do that. We can just, we can
Starting point is 00:42:02 figure something out. We can go. And then ultimately, like, I mean, we don't know where Darren is at the end, right? He's looking for Darren gets up. But to your point, he survived Christian Cole's death march. he survived or his death march he was the guy he'd a man
Starting point is 00:42:17 now is his cunning like cowardice or calculating in this world it could be seen as cowardice he's the smartest person in the show right once there's dragons in the sky I don't know how much cowardice like if I don't have a dragon I'm like
Starting point is 00:42:31 a oh bro come on what are we doing what do you think about his offer for peace though smart move stuff or the only thing that you could do at that point is the only thing that you can do I want to give a MVP to Coralus because, like, Corlis was crashing out this entire season and he finally got back to, you know,
Starting point is 00:42:48 Corlis being like, I think he knew deep down, Damon wasn't going to listen to him. But him even just being like, come on, bro. Like, let's just have peace. So you can only be a coward if you run from a fight where there's something to fight for him. Like, if, if you walking down the street
Starting point is 00:43:06 and you accidentally step up somebody's shoe and they go, you man, what the fuck is wrong with you? Hey, bro. Chill, dog. Hey, man, you got it, bro. Man. My bad, bro.
Starting point is 00:43:18 Straight up. But, you know, if you are defending someone or if your cowardice is being called upon, right? It makes you a coward when you refuse to defend something that's worthy of defense. But when you look at something and you go, hey, my life is not worth that. And there's no honor on the line.
Starting point is 00:43:37 There's no safety on the line. Like, running from something stupid, not dying or getting in a fight or busting your shit up for something dumb does not make you a coward. So I don't know that I've actually seen cowardice from him. Sir Christian Cole goes, hey, I want a martial
Starting point is 00:43:54 glory's death. He doesn't see him like, yo, I'm not on that. Yeah. It's not that I'm afraid to fight. I fight when it's time to fight, but I'm not going to fight your ridiculous Peirich, maybe even Pierich. No, Pierich is actually a victory, but I'm not going to fight your ridiculous
Starting point is 00:44:10 like insignificant battle for your personal trauma. And he's looking around and seeing a bunch of people that are putting their personal trauma above anything else. He looks at his nephew. He goes, bro, you want to go out and fucking die for all of this dumbass shit? No. What the fuck you're doing?
Starting point is 00:44:28 Don't get on the little bitty dragon and go out there and get your shit pushed in. I mean, I will also say both times for Sir Gwain. I don't know if he's completely fighting for other people. But you could say with Sir Chris and Cole, it's like, you are leading a bunch of men to their death. And then at Tumbledon, they're putting kids on a wall. At a certain point, someone has to roll out and be like, do we need to do it like this? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:54 Because most of these people are going to die. Man, I mean, they have the scene at the beginning. I don't know if you guys notice this, but when Ormond is knighting Darren and there's a scene, there's like a cut where he's doing the sore taps. and see Gwen, be like, bro, like, this is not what he wants for this kid. Right? He does not want him to go and die in his uncle's, you know, crazy war. And then when he's got, they're lighting up the kids on the, on the wall. And he's like, yo, like, this entire thing is worthless and useless and now, like, innocent children have to die for this.
Starting point is 00:45:28 Like, we don't have to live like this. We don't have to do this. Like, he was telling Darren like, yo, Darren's like, I can't run. He's like, yes, you can, big dog. Like, I won't, as I won't. Like for you, he loves that kid. He loves that kid like his own son. He's like, bro, you got to do whatever you got to do.
Starting point is 00:45:45 I'm here for you. My dad told me, my dad said, there's a difference between running and leaving. To me, I respect Gwen. Yeah, I respect him. I haven't seen him avoid any battles. I've seen him do things that are brave. I just think he's not fucking stupid. And everybody else is his show.
Starting point is 00:46:07 It's pretty stupid. So monumentally stupid. Dumbus rocks. I mean, everybody in this show is the dumbest nigger that has ever lived in Westrose. It's a dumb off. I mean, even he was so funny with Roderick, he was yelling at the wall. They went, pop. Shot the home.
Starting point is 00:46:27 And that's what I hate. I hate where I'm like, damn, I'm standing next to the leader. I'm really, and they start taunting them off. I'm like, don't send them the arrows this fucking way. You can see where the, the line is. Is Damon a bitch? Damon?
Starting point is 00:46:41 You're not going to do it? No, man. So let me tell you why. Let me ask you why, though. Let me ask you, let me ask you. So we didn't see Damon get busy on a lot of people, right? Yeah. But like, kind of a weight bully.
Starting point is 00:46:53 There's a tournament boxing called a weight bully. And that's like, hey, if I'm, if naturally I fight at 175, because I walk around at 200 or 190, I only fight niggas that's coming up to the weight. So I fight guys that are like 160, 170, trying to make this weight, kind of trying to come up. Where you just bin that weight? Yeah, I'm a bin that way. So it's a weight bully.
Starting point is 00:47:16 You weight bully people around. Then you go up to the next weight class. You go fuck with the heavy weights. And then you get punching your shit. Now, what I saw in this episode was Damon, who I've seen flex his shit a lot to motherfuckers who can't fuck with him, get fucked up by the old John Rockston. That's what the fuck I'm talking about.
Starting point is 00:47:36 It looked like to me, Damon was having some problems. That wasn't aiming. That wasn't the guy that you cut off his head from behind. That wasn't none of that. That was a guy that was on your level. And it looked like to me, he kind of got with him a little bit. You got to respect both John Rockston.
Starting point is 00:47:51 Okay. His sword is called Orphan Maker. Okay. I'm not fighting you. But here's the thing. Damon, that was, to your point, that was a higher weight class. That dude had at least. least 100 pounds on my man. Yeah, he did. Come on. John Roxton is not like,
Starting point is 00:48:11 Damon is the man, right? Damon, but Bolton is also one of them once. Okay? It's legitimately like a heavyweight battle of two guys who can throw hands. Luck the fuck out when that debris came. Yeah, he was getting a little handle because he was caught by surprise. Guys, I understand what you're saying. All I'm saying is in this situation, I didn't see that same swag. I expect to see that same swag, that same whatever. David got some licks in. He got, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:40 He got some licks in, but I'll tell you what, that was a 10-8, that was a 10-8 round. It looked like he was on his back to me. Oh, no, he was about to get, God. Like, he was, that was luck. You would have, I mean, you, I mean, you would have given it to John, but via a split decision, though. What?
Starting point is 00:48:55 It wouldn't have been unanimous. I think he was scoring it. Well, it looked like to me it was almost a knockout. If the shit, if the fire, if the fucking shit wouldn't have fall down and split them up, he was going to go for the kill him. hands, when they were both at the swords, he dispossessed him of his sword first. True. So where does John Roxton fall in the hierarchy of badass motherfuckers with the sword?
Starting point is 00:49:15 He's probably like, probably like top ten, because you can't put them against, like, Sir Arthur Dwayne, obviously. Yeah, that's the best of the time. Cole. In this time period? In this time period? Just house of the dragon time. Well, remember he, remember the first season? He beat, he beat, what's his name?
Starting point is 00:49:33 I can't really forget his name. in the in the oh in the games like the opening like the first thing yeah right he beat him
Starting point is 00:49:41 there the tournament yeah right so Cole got hands too I think like over time we've seen I like
Starting point is 00:49:47 Damon is like probably like the best swordsman like in this like in this time period but him uh John Roxen obviously
Starting point is 00:49:56 Amon's got hands or sorry uh Amon's got hands and uh what's the name and Cole probably like your top four guys
Starting point is 00:50:04 with the sword at this point. Yeah. So, you know, he's, I'm looking at right now, exceptionally dangerous in combat, raking comfortably amongst the upper tier fighters in his era due to his lethal skill and the advantage of wielding
Starting point is 00:50:18 a valerian steel sword called orphan maker. So look, all I'm saying is this, I still fuck with Damon, but this was an episode and I think this entire season, and this is why I really enjoyed this season, this season sought to strip away some of Damon's reputation to make him into a character that was easier for the writer.
Starting point is 00:50:34 to mold because he was such a badass in the first couple seasons of the show that that just could not persist once we had to have a more critical eye of the black. Is Damon, is he aging out, you know? Could be. Is he an aging player? He's a vet. He can't really, maybe this is his last one. Well, this is definitely his last one.
Starting point is 00:50:52 I mean, you were, you were mentioning, like, for him to be there and, um, Corliss would be like, yo, man, it's time to go. And you see the look on his face, man. He was like, he was like, he never, you never seen Damon's shell-shocks. You never seen him like, yo, this is, this is too much to even for me. He was around like, yo, bro, this might be, this is, this is bad. This is grim. At this point, man, like, it is a level of, is it time for you, brother?
Starting point is 00:51:17 Call the family. Go home. I will say, though, the true villain of this, besides the bail of shit, the minute I was on some, like, Reneer needs to die is when she was force-feeding Kalena. I'm like, get her out. That was horrible. Do we talk about Helena? So part of me, part of me thought, because I was rooting for Helena, I was like, man, Helena,
Starting point is 00:51:40 I thought she was, like, escaping to go get Dreamfire, be like, you know what? I was set it off. I was really hoping that, like, she would just try to, she could escape. Like that, like, this season, I was like, man, Helena annoying about it. And I was like, damn, she deserved better. Absolutely. She deserved better. That scene with her and Reneira
Starting point is 00:52:03 where she's like you all the things you love are ugly Like all of this is ugly And like like it's Such a beautiful metaphor when she's talking about like that beetle That like feeds off the wastes of other animals And it's like gold and green and all these things And Reneer just doesn't understand like the type of mind that she has
Starting point is 00:52:23 Because it's not from this world This world of seeking power and destiny and all these things And she's just a. appreciating life. And the, oh, my God, the line of, like, you think being alive is simply not being dead. Like, so good. Helena and Bala was reading Renier. I was like, I don't know if I could have had those two back to back.
Starting point is 00:52:47 Because I would start looking myself different. Like, I'm like, damn, every single person that I talked to in this episode is basically like, you're full of shit, you're ugly. Your friends are fucking ugly. Yeah. I hate you. I would have thought, I thought Renier would have had a more like. active role in Helena's death but I don't know if it's
Starting point is 00:53:06 as sinister is killing Helena but it's nearly that where Panana's gone over the same window that Tomon went in over it looked like I was about to ask is that the same it looks but it's got the same eye line to the steps right there I'm like that's got to be the same window but she she's like oh
Starting point is 00:53:24 she went over and she looks at the tapestry she's working on and she sees like Helena falling down and then she goes over a little bit and she's, oh, I'm on the throne. Oh, that's good for me. Drops it. Even though I'm drenched in blood. She doesn't laugh a little bit.
Starting point is 00:53:39 Doesn't care. It doesn't care. But that's a complete arc. That's a complete arc. Yes. That's a complete arc. A total subversion. That scene right there legitimately is
Starting point is 00:53:54 like it's Anakin cutting Mace Windows arm off. Like you've you've completed your arc Like Neil you are now Darth Vader Because this entire season This entire show Once again what the character has been struggling with
Starting point is 00:54:13 Is this prophecy and This promised thing to rule But also is bumping up against the fact That she's trying to be decent while doing it Legitimately in that scene She looks at it Dead sister not a moment after I'm on the throne.
Starting point is 00:54:34 So anything that happens to get me on this throne is okay. And that also means the death of her sons. So like at this particular point right now, it's done. It's her character is now fully formed, which I think is the great thing about this season. Yeah. Is that there is no more in between with her. Like throughout the whole, the grabbing of the face.
Starting point is 00:54:58 When she consolidates her people, she consolidates the most robotic people. She doesn't consolidate like it's, it's, uh, Alan. Alan, and it's Damon. It's like it's she consolidates the people that are wind up toys, not the people that are human beings. All of those people send Masaria to the crib. Get, get the fuck out of here. Can I ask, do you think?
Starting point is 00:55:18 Because I think you can read it two ways with Helena's death. Masaria, as she's walking out of the castle, warns Helena that essentially you are never leaving here. It's over. So do you think Helena, her death is because or suicide, is that she's like, oh, I'm never going to escape this, or because now that Reneira is on a one-way track, her visions are more clear. And she's like, okay, all of my family is going to die.
Starting point is 00:55:48 Like, she has seen enough to know, this is the end of the Dargarians. This is the end of, like, my sister, my brothers. by kids. Because I was like, I think it's a little bit of both. Because she's making this tapestry. And it seems like once she finishes the tapestry, she's just like, there's just no future. But also there's also this great thing that this,
Starting point is 00:56:09 that isn't like a hard confirmation because of that. Like, yes, the tapestry is likely prophetic in the fact that like she is seeing this and this is part of her vision and she's keeping that from Rainira. But there was a fleeting thought in my mind where I'm like, what if she had just finished that tapestry in order, to sate Reneira and like just calm her and like affirm her that like
Starting point is 00:56:31 that's what this is I'm going to kill myself it was basically her suicide now that should be really kind for Helena to do I don't know why she would throw her that long she also has never
Starting point is 00:56:41 at any point in the show been that cynical yeah right like you know I mean but like I like that idea I like a whole backstory what if we got a bottle episode where all of this stuff
Starting point is 00:56:52 is Helena's doing she's behind it all We've in the tapestry I apologize I'm sorry But look What I'm saying is The show is fucking awesome
Starting point is 00:57:01 That's what I'm saying We're not gonna talk about Allison showing up At the last five seconds No we're not gonna show about it What the fuck she's been at All this is like All this shit that faces me up
Starting point is 00:57:09 Everybody fucking burnt up Man niggas getting burnt up They shit cut off All of this You got you and some In the forest with some fucking moths Like snow white Well I mean
Starting point is 00:57:21 That to me Because I felt I felt bad for Allison because weren't in earlier episodes, wasn't Helena talking about the fucking flying insects or whatever. And I feel like Allison realized he's like, damn, Helena's out of here.
Starting point is 00:57:37 Like, I think that was her type. Oh, that could be, yeah. Like, it was a metaphor for like... Maybe, I don't know if Allison's too keen on, though, picking up, like, those notes. But... There seemed to be a little bit of sadness on her face, like, melancholy.
Starting point is 00:57:50 I would... I can't wait for season before, but because Allison's going to show up. Hey, man, going on, man, where everybody at, man,
Starting point is 00:57:55 what's going on? Perfect. Motherfucking segue. Talk about season four. What's going to happen? I mean, it's the last season,
Starting point is 00:58:01 right? We get eight episodes. It is going to be a time. So let's talk about, before we get to that, and this will help set up season four, what is the board now? Because essentially,
Starting point is 00:58:14 we know that Ulf has flipped. Well, has he flipped, though, because he was burning everybody. Yeah. That's the thing. I have a question.
Starting point is 00:58:21 That's my thing. Oph is rogue. Yeah. So he's not black or green. Yeah, right. In the books, Oof and Hugh are like, yo, we rocking with the greens, big dog. They pick aside.
Starting point is 00:58:34 And this one, obviously, we don't know what's going on with Hugh. But it seems like Hugh, when his wife dies, that might be a triggering event of like, if Reneera had listened to me early in the season. Yeah, the blacks did this. It's their fault. And given me everything that I wanted, my wife would still be alive.
Starting point is 00:58:51 But Oof, again, get, Get off in the books, like, yo, I'm Team Green. So for him to, like, burn Ormond. Like, that's, I mean, everybody saw, everybody knows. Like, hey, he's the guy who killed Ormond. Like, what side is he actually on? Right? Is he Team Green?
Starting point is 00:59:05 Is he Team Black? Who knows? Or is he just a wild guy out there, which is arguably worse. If you're the Targaryens. I see, it was so funny, bro. It was hilarious. It was so funny. It was hilarious.
Starting point is 00:59:15 Fuck you too. Him doing the big loop of ass. Is he really just like spinning it? Everybody is going to get it. Fuck you two and then burnt them the fuck up. Okay, so where's the board? Talk about the board. Because we have Amon and Agon are together.
Starting point is 00:59:30 It seems like Agon is finally like, you know what? I'm in charge. Amon is his second in command again. I could see him maybe trying to like parlay with Ophi Hube. Be like, hey, yo, we can treat you a little bit better. We can give you some lands. Daron is still, I don't know if he's still alive or not, but he's there. Tesseron is there.
Starting point is 00:59:50 So at minimum, if, if, you know, if. If they get, I'm not going to count Hugh yet. And even if we count off, that's what? That's four dragons, right? Yeah. And then on the other side who have, I mean, Bela's locked up with Moon Dancer. Adam and Seasmoke are somewhere, we guess. Vermethore, again, who knows, is Carraxie, Syrax, and Taraxis and Traxies and Traxist
Starting point is 01:00:15 Young to Fly. So really, you kind of, dude, it's like four on four? I mean, are we time jumping to account for those other dragons? No, I don't think so because remember, Agon and Aman were like, I mean, it'll take them a couple hours to get to Tumleton. Right. They were like, we're going to go to Tumleton. And that needs to be resolved. We'll burn that house and then we will march on Kings Landing and retake the throne.
Starting point is 01:00:37 That's the plan. That's like, I mean, that's a good setup for season four. Here's a thing. So the sides, it seems, are like to your point four on four, but sunfire ain't peaks on fire. But it's still a dragon, though, you know. Against men, it matters against other dragons, not so much. Yeah. And even, what's Darren's dragon?
Starting point is 01:00:56 Tissarian. Tessarian is a little, a little small. Like, I was like, well, what the fuck you're going to do? I don't, against Cranx. I think the size is a little bit weird because, like, that's a smallish room that they're in. And he can really fit Tessarra out of that room. Yeah, he's fitting into a corner, not even taking up the whole route. So what you're saying is that, you're saying that the size of something, its effectiveness is based upon the space that it is inhabits.
Starting point is 01:01:23 So anyway, I think what we're going to see in season four is... I'm just making entertainment podcasting here. I'm just making entertaining podcasting here. I think what we're going to see to answer your question, actually, it's going to be a little bit more even, right? The greens are on the back foot with the dragons before. Now it's kind of like, now we're 50-50. That what it looks like when you got four and I got four,
Starting point is 01:01:47 or I got five, you got four, right? It's not like this wealth of dragons where they had like... At the beginning of the Greens also have a leadership problem, though, right now. The Greens don't, yeah. The Greens, so Ormond's gone. Darren is a young babe in the woods. Alicent probably will be re-engaged. Do they have a leadership problem?
Starting point is 01:02:07 A-gon is alive. A-Gon is alive, true. Oh, yeah. But if A-Gon-A-Gel-G-E-G-E-G-T tried to poison, like, Amin, so I don't know. And he'll know about that. So what I'm saying is, like, they don't, there's, so, yeah, Allison, no, no, to be honest with you, Yeah, Alston just stay in the woods. Agon is there, and Agon is going to, like, go through and basically grab up all the power that would have been there.
Starting point is 01:02:31 And he is the top guy. Yeah, he's the man. Yeah, he's the king. So he's the king. The king's a lot. The king's a lot. And so now, if we look at Reneura's side, though, hey, yo, I don't know how much Bayla is really going to be excited to be following her lead, especially. because, like, you left my grandfather to basically die.
Starting point is 01:02:56 So I know you don't really give a fuck about us like that. And then he was treating me like this. Adam seems kind of just like, man, fuck this whole shit, bro. So you understand, like, you understand the problem now, which is, I mean, this is something we've talked about throughout the season, but, or even Baylor mentioned it in this episode. Hey, man, when people have used to you, you treat them with this. And then as soon as they're disposable, gone.
Starting point is 01:03:20 not even a thought. How are you supposed to keep Dragon Riders happy if that's how you're treating everybody? Right. Now when it's when it's time to be tested, when it's time to get in the mud, when everything's on the line, who do you got to fight with you?
Starting point is 01:03:35 Who do you got by your side? It's time to get live. It's time to represent Sunset Park. What time is it? It's time to get live. It's time to represent. Sunset Park. What time?
Starting point is 01:03:48 Y'all never seen Sunset Park? No. I don't know you're talking about Can't say I have Wow Yeah we should Okay Okay we're gonna
Starting point is 01:03:54 Play the old man van We gotta do the old man van We're gonna do a film festival So that didn't work I thought you hadn't seen it I thought Oh I got to say something real quick Just before we move on
Starting point is 01:04:04 So earlier in there What What I don't he's sorry I'm so off the rails I kind of like the way I look in this You look good You're good
Starting point is 01:04:14 You're good with it So earlier in this bitch Okay We're in there They're talking. Yeah. Okay. You know, Oof was on the toilet.
Starting point is 01:04:25 On the toilet. Jomey says, Oof on the toilet like Elvis Presley. Funny, great reference for Jomey. Elvis Presley died, I think, 1977. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:04:37 Great reference for Jomey. Thought to myself. You thought about it for like two minutes. I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought, for the point. So, look. I'm looking at Jomey. I'm like, so Elvis Presley, you know,
Starting point is 01:04:50 Barry Gordy. Damn. Okay. Elvis Presley dying on the toilet. Like, Jomey's barely 30 years old. Elvis Presley dying on the toilet. It used to be something that was talked about in culture like all the time, like all of this stuff with Elvis Presley.
Starting point is 01:05:08 No one fucking brings that dumb ass shit up now, but nobody fucking talks about Elvis no more. If that fucking movie not coming out, nobody talks about him. Somebody used to see Elvis every single week in the 80s, right? In the 90s. I saw Elvis somewhere. Elvis is still a lot of thing.
Starting point is 01:05:21 I talks about it. But that, which happened 20 years before Joe was born. Joey, do you have a rebuttal? 20 years before Jomey was born. Barry Gordy is still alive. Yeah. A rebuttal, no, but this is not the first time, like this particular thing that's happened.
Starting point is 01:05:41 I remember I was at Alan Siegel. Shout out Alan Siegel. He had a man. We were talking, and I used, like, below the Mendoza line. And he looked to me like, how do you know what how do you know what that is I'm just like I've been outside
Starting point is 01:05:56 not outside enough for Barry Gordy unfortunately sorry oh gee my fault please you know I said to apology before but I just want to reiterate how sorry I am I will say though our black fans do got to chill on us because looking at the comments
Starting point is 01:06:10 they were mad for real all right y'all all right y'all bro I've seen all those comments too I have to take some accountability and be honest about it, y'all can suck my dick. Okay? That's accountability?
Starting point is 01:06:24 Yeah, there's no reason to be rude. It was getting that. Tell you guys, I'm good at talking, but I'm not as smart as you think that I am. I keep telling y'all that, right? Keep telling you guys that over and over and over again. It took me a second. Also, I would like to say this. We did not think about the fact.
Starting point is 01:06:40 What was tripping us up was the fact that, uh... Well, we'll be like it right now. Let's think about it. Laina. Lena. But the fact that she is an outside thing. Their brother and sister, but it's a bastard situation. If they were the same brother, they're half brothers.
Starting point is 01:07:01 That space in between. And there's a generational thing because they're basically the same age, huh? No. No. But Alan and Adam are more, they're the same age. They're closer to the younger, to the grandkids than they are to the sister. So all of that stuff was muddy in the waters a little bit. Like, my mom was real disappointed.
Starting point is 01:07:22 I'm not talking about mom. Does your mom watch House of the Dragon? Yeah. My mom was real disappointed. She was like, son, baby. Like, what you're talking about, baby? You know what I'm saying? You guys are right.
Starting point is 01:07:33 I was stupid. I was stupid. Now we love y'all, but damn, y'all were mean. They're going crazy. One sister just went, the comment was just, they all slow. I saw that. And I'll tell you guys something. Not all of us.
Starting point is 01:07:48 if you go back and you watch that clip from the beginning of the clip Steve's like, hmm, it's just just uncle which is tough for us in that situation. Listen, it's a lot, look, the family family trees are reef, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:08:04 It's hard to pick upon like which is which who and everything is so confusing. Everything is their love. What did, what was it? Oaf, it was like, that's her niece. They're lovers. Husbands? That's crazy. Who knows?
Starting point is 01:08:18 That scene was, when you talk about people, and I really do understand what you guys are saying about right there. I was offering my own perspective along with it as, but when you talk about people who had a villain turn that was like, to me a little bit unearned, I kind of think Oof was one. I know Oof got punching his shit and all that stuff, but the way Oof was acting in the bar in this episode,
Starting point is 01:08:41 the way he was acting, people were like scared of him. Yeah. And that's like never been his character that I've seen on the show. Can I just say this? I think maybe some of my pushback to this final episode was they don't have a handle on the Dragon Writers. Where it's like when Hugh is like cradling his wife, it's supposed to be this sad moment,
Starting point is 01:09:05 but it doesn't really emotionally hit. And to your point, with Oof, I understand his villain turn, like logically, but it was like almost overnight he went from being someone who was sad because he couldn't hang out at the tavern and buy his boys drinks to basically being this big swinging dick being like, you better be afraid of me,
Starting point is 01:09:25 I have a dragon. And it seemed like maybe the show didn't have enough real estate to really make that turn. I mean, kind of, but not really. I feel like they've done a good job of seating, I vehemently, I can't even speak anymore.
Starting point is 01:09:41 Vimini disagree. I think the show did a good job with being like, oh feels important, he's got a dragon. You got to treat me some type of way, you got to talk to some type of way. And the Targaryans are like, no. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 01:09:53 Hey, how do you style yourself off Targaryen? Absolutely not. You can't go to the bar. You can't drink. You stuck here with you with, in the Red Keep with nobody. Right. It's like, all right, well, I don't really like that. I'm going to sneak out.
Starting point is 01:10:06 Damon punch me in my face. All right, forget that. I'm leaving, right? Go out, being a bar in old, or not old town, sorry, Tomleton, having fun. gets too drunk, gets punched in his face bar. I mean, like, all right then. So nobody really nobody really rocked with me.
Starting point is 01:10:21 But also... All right then, bed. We all fit to die. Also, think about his life before he had a dragon. He was the life of the party at his bar with his friends. Like, hanging out, living his life. He had a shit life, but he made it his own. He was that two episodes ago.
Starting point is 01:10:34 Yeah. Legitimately being that, and this one, he was at the bar going crazy. I think, I mean, the whole, the Hugh thing is interesting, though, because, I mean, this is something that we talked about while watching. And we're like, I kind of can't, you can't put that all on Hugh, though. You know?
Starting point is 01:10:48 Huey? Because he was like, he went to get his wife. It's like, yo, the same way we can get out of here. And she was like, no, I'm good. And then when he goes in there and he finds her obviously like, it's sad because he wanted to, you know, rescue her from this. Oh, you're saying that she asked for it. That's not what I'm saying. No.
Starting point is 01:11:06 It's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. Fuck. She doesn't ask for it. I'm just saying it does not hit to your point. it does not hit the way it's supposed to hit. When we see her in it, we see him hold her in his arms. It sound like, dang, bro.
Starting point is 01:11:22 Like, we just, like, this is something like, obviously, like, was obviously going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I can see what you guys are saying with that. Because, like, that, his storyline hasn't really been, wasn't really served well by this season. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:37 There, enough there. But, like, he was kind of more like someone. who was left almost unguided, uncared for, and then all of these things happen. They almost kind of shoehorn that in to give us an understanding as to why something more terrible is going to happen for him or he's
Starting point is 01:11:56 going to do something terrible. But I do think with the amount of story that they had to deal with this season that this episode was a pretty fucking amazing. Yeah. Pretty great. Just realization of a lot of the story points that are in the show. Do you think House of the Dragon
Starting point is 01:12:13 overall would be a little bit more successful if they did have more real estate instead of like eight episodes. Obviously. I mean, yeah. Even 10 or 12 because I was just like, I like all of these characters. Obviously, I love the world.
Starting point is 01:12:28 I was just, by the end of this, I was like, I was even like, damn, we could have gotten two episodes of this battle. But like not to absolve this of the fact that it should be this expensive, but like these episodes are like 20 mil a pop or something. HBO raising the prices every week. This one was like,
Starting point is 01:12:43 an hour 10 also you know sometimes we like the episode I mean look with us with us I mean us as far as the the whole watching
Starting point is 01:12:53 group of people sometimes we like filler episodes if you get 10 you eventually get one where it's just the story of a baby dragon coming into its adult
Starting point is 01:13:03 right like 10 years it starts off 100 years ago as a little baby cat you're telling me you wouldn't fuck with the Sunfire episode where like Sunfire just holding off
Starting point is 01:13:12 for dear life And then it's basically his baby Yoda in the worst moment. Exactly. But that's what you get. So like I do. I personally think nine, even one more would have been good. I don't know if we need to stretch this battle. But I would have liked to see.
Starting point is 01:13:29 I don't know though. The best season is the first season. It had 10 episodes. Yeah. But again, like we did kind of get like not the equivalent of a bottle episode, but we had the right runway. The show being the, it's most effective is to me again. like I said, my favorite episode is episode three, where we have Reneira attempting to rule, and it's slowly kind of dripping away from it, because it's entirely her POV.
Starting point is 01:13:52 And that's when a show has more real estate, you get more episodes like that. And yeah, we could like that more. But again, I'm perfectly happy with what we got. Wait, wait, wait. So you just says, you think the first season is the best season? Yeah. Disagree. What's the best season?
Starting point is 01:14:08 This one. This one? This one. This one. This one. This one. This is the best season? Yes.
Starting point is 01:14:11 Nah. Because here's the thing. I'm not going to lie. The first season, I didn't give a fuck about them kids. Like, it was way too much about them when they were young. I'd have to think about it. It's close, though. I'd have to think about it.
Starting point is 01:14:23 The first season got some fucking shit with it, though. It's got, it's good. It's good. First season had motion. Like, we, this is like before, we cared about those characters, man, back then. The dragons, the dragons carried a show now. The series, walking into, the throne room. Come on, man.
Starting point is 01:14:41 That meant something. That meant something. Yeah, but here's the thing. This was an uneven season, but the highs of season three were high. I agree. But Sarah's dying at the end. Gutting stuff. I love, I still love Westero's, man.
Starting point is 01:14:57 We're ready for the Midnight Meter? I think we are. All right. Y'all know what it is? Midnight meter 1 to 12. One is the worst. And 11 and 12th are reserved for true game changers? We'll start with you then.
Starting point is 01:15:07 The whole season? Yeah. Nine. Nine. strong eight seven yeah I gotta go nine I almost went ten I almost went I almost went ten I can't go ten I can't go ten but it's a nine it's a nine for me
Starting point is 01:15:20 this was great fucking television I loved yeah I love I had a great love the season I do think even if he was probably Wait a minute nigga so you're saying that this episode This season is the best season of the house of The Dragon ever and it's the seven Yeah so what was season one? To me?
Starting point is 01:15:38 Yeah Like a six We're back on a drug drugs. I think they need George back. I do think they need George back. I'm tired of the dick riding. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:15:49 The George Dick Ryan is way too far. Whoa. No. Hey, we got two game with throw seasons this fucking year. Which one had George on it? The one that he actually wrote. The one that he actually put like character motivations and story into. No, George should tell us.
Starting point is 01:16:08 He was like, hey, go. The shit that they're trying to do are overreact. I'm not fucking with it. You know what it seems like you're doing? It seems like you're dissing Ryan Congle. You don't even know who Ryan got it. I'm not acting like everybody's involved. I love your work, Ryan Condal.
Starting point is 01:16:25 I think, I think like given what the book of Fire and Blood is, which is again is a like historical retelling of the history of the Targaryans from like all different types of secondary and tertiary sources, right? these, a lot of these characters don't have like motivations in, like real motivations in a book, right? They say, oh, Rainer might have been this or Allison may have been that, or Versaeris may have or may not have done this. When you have to put it into like a story, you have to actually give these characters motivation. You're liable to like piss off people in the book or that are like really passionate about the books, whatever. For nine of seven kingdoms, brother, it's like, it's there.
Starting point is 01:17:05 What did Aegon want? What did, um, dunk want? Like these characters have like life. and these, like, giving breath to them, which, like, I, amazing, right? It's the same thing that happened with, um, D&D and, uh,
Starting point is 01:17:18 Game of Thrones. The first seasons, when they had, like, the books and these characters and everything that they, uh, their motivations and everything, perfect. It's great.
Starting point is 01:17:26 We're like, wow, we love this show. As soon as that's off, as soon as the books don't have them, and you got to make this TV, it's, like, it's hard.
Starting point is 01:17:34 Oh, whoa, I'm not, I'm not, this is a good season of TV. I make sure, if y'all break that out, get Chuck's face as you show me his talking.
Starting point is 01:17:43 Right. You was looking like, this nigga talks some fucking bullshit. You don't tell me. Here's the thing. Ron Condo, OG legend,
Starting point is 01:17:52 what they've managed to do from the battles and the scale of this are amazing. Some of the Allison shit, just her like popping up randomly. Like,
Starting point is 01:18:02 hey, yo, go to Heron Hall. Hey, we're going to have Damon and Haringhall for a fucking year talking to some trees and shit. That's the type of shit
Starting point is 01:18:09 where I'm like, Come on, bro. We tighten the show. As opposed to what in the books, they set him in hair and haul and he's gone forever. This is where the writing comes in. This is where the writing. Like, I'm not dissing the whole show. I'm just saying the connective tissue of it.
Starting point is 01:18:23 Who's fault is that? Whoa. That's George's. He wrote the book. He didn't write the show though. Oh, dad, dad. He wrote the book. Hey, we're going to cast Matt Smith.
Starting point is 01:18:32 He's going to be the man. Hey, check it out. Matt Smith. Hey, tech season two off. We want to put your hair in all and disappear. Yeah, but George didn't do. all of that. Jomi.
Starting point is 01:18:44 He wrote the book. I understand that. What are you talking about? I'm talking about the show. So then what do you want? So then what do you want Condo to do then? If I say, Endo said,
Starting point is 01:18:54 Donald did a good job. We're saying he did a good job. Jomey, don't let him. I'm losing my mind. No, you lost it. I'm losing my mind. You broke that. You broke the thing.
Starting point is 01:19:05 I'm like, explain to me. So if I say, hey, we cast Matt Smith, We sent Matt Smith to Harrahall. We say, yo, Matt Smith does nothing. Right. For, like, I don't, how many pages, whatever. He's just gone, and then there's a hosted Haran Hall. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:20 He brings everybody together. Okay. What do you want Condo to do? Anything to make that more interesting? The show is made, I'm not, I'm not disagree with you. You can't, you can't. But you can't glaze. George Arn't.
Starting point is 01:19:31 I'm not glazing. You were glazing. You cannot repeat the same mistake twice. You can't have a season where you're like, Hey, Mass Smith. We're sending you to Heron Hall. And then you do, hey, hey, man, we're doing the same thing. And it's the same fucking result.
Starting point is 01:19:45 Because the same thing does happen. They, their stories mirror each other. That's the whole thing. Here's what I will say. Do I think Condal has played this entire thing perfectly? No, I think there's been mistakes all over the place. However, you can't be like, yo, man, where's George at? This is his book.
Starting point is 01:19:59 A lot of this, the problem stem from his storytelling. And there's maybe a reason why he's an active rebellion against this show and not Night of the 17th. Because he's a fuck. We'll learn more during the Ryan Condal interview This is the dumbest Why are you not disconnell What's wrong? We said he did a job
Starting point is 01:20:18 Nobody's hating anybody Why are you getting You breaking the equipment Why are you broken You broke it bro You broke it now you got to hold it Hold it hold the mic in your hand Jesus Christ
Starting point is 01:20:28 Yeah because he wrote Night of the Seven Kingdoms He gave Agon an arc Now hold on He gave Agon an arc He gave dunk an arc In fire and blood these characters just do stuff
Starting point is 01:20:40 on the, like, mushrooms like, yeah, man, we might have heard that Alice it may have done this. Step the East is like, yo, we might have heard Reindeer's doing that. The degree of difficulty on fire and blood is incredibly hard. We're not taking that away.
Starting point is 01:20:55 We're not taking that away. I'm just saying. I just think that you might be misinterpreting what we were trying to say about. What were you trying to say? About the fact that, like, yes, it's hard, but there have been mistakes along the way and while we can't put that all on George. Can I just say something real quick? It's very interesting. I just want to say something.
Starting point is 01:21:09 I want to note this. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Right. And this is the way they're worse. It is also, because people are going to watch and listen to this. And I just think it's important. I'm going to say this once.
Starting point is 01:21:21 We're never going to talk about this again. This is a $150 million production, wherever the fuck it is. Say that there are mistakes along the way. And there are. This is not to Steve. This is just in general. This is not to Steve.
Starting point is 01:21:35 It's not to Steve. It's not to, you know what I mean? Yeah. There's so many moving parts, right? Yeah. It would be so incredible. When you think about the perfect arcs of television that you watch, number one, like everybody, we talk about how Andor was perfect, right?
Starting point is 01:21:50 Another perfect thing about Andor was only two seasons, right? And so, like, when you start to stretch that story out a little bit, you have one book, there's all kinds of things. I just want to make sure that we hold, and I know that we do, once again, this is not inter-butt anyone. Of course. That we hold space for the predispiece. for the prodigious job that these creators and actors and writers and everyone have to do. It's a lot of stuff to do.
Starting point is 01:22:12 We don't want to forget the history of it too. Like there were bakeoffs. There was which series is going to go first. I'm not saying. I think some people can say with George in the past because these are his children. He holds on to them tight. And sometimes that is in direct conflict with trying to get a season of TV on television in a right time. I'm not saying.
Starting point is 01:22:36 I just for the last season there are some things I just want to be a little bit tighter that that's it I think that's fair no I mean it's really and my whole thing is like well yeah because I spent a lot of time like looking at this stuff reading the stuff and seeing all these the conversation around it and the fact that my whole thing is the fact that George has
Starting point is 01:22:53 escaped all type of culpability for this is just insane to me like he's got a role to play let's not act like he not involved in this at all let's talk about this more on the next podcast because I want to talk about just the the entire adaptation world that we're living in right now. Because you can have a conversation about this,
Starting point is 01:23:10 the children of blood of bone, all of that stuff. Emily Wilson. You can have all kinds of conversations about this. Because we're seeing stuff that's a little bit. Now, that's not true. There've always been authors that were like super involved in the adaptations when they came to the screen. I think Maripuso wrote the screenplay for the godfather.
Starting point is 01:23:26 Yes. So I think, so when you look at some of this stuff, it's all, but now there is a push pull that I'm seeing right now that is, it's like in the front of the news now. Yeah. They changed my... You, before, when the author didn't like when something got changed in their book,
Starting point is 01:23:45 you would find out on the special edition DVD of that shit. Yeah. You find out like 10 years later. Now you find out before this shit comes out. Right. Like, I didn't like what they were doing, all the problems and stuff like that. So I do think that there's a really, especially as everyone's like, Hollywood's in the arm race for what they
Starting point is 01:24:00 can adapt and, like, steal fandom for people. Because now it's not even just about how great the book is, it's about whether or not the book already has a built-in fan base to get you sitting in front of the seat or to go out to the movies. And that even ups the fucking, uh, the
Starting point is 01:24:16 anti because now your author is probably to some degree either a celebrity or a very important cultural figure, which puts them in a dick measuring contest with the creatives on the movie or the show. And the last thing I'll say about House of the Dragon, this is why like I give the creatives a lot of credit. They
Starting point is 01:24:32 have a different task. than Game of Thrones did. Game of Thrones got to get to this level where there's dragons and battles all of the time. Where with Ryan Connell and co, they're like, oh, we're basically making like the final seasons of Game of Thrones every single season.
Starting point is 01:24:48 And that's a lot harder to accomplish. Versus like, hey, we're gonna have three really, really difficult seasons where we're making multiple movies versus we're basically making eight movies every two or three fucking years. That is almost impossible. And to your point with Andor, they had to do it twice.
Starting point is 01:25:04 And they knew this is our beginning, this is our idea. Yeah. And also, you know, even with George R. Martin, he saw the way the end of the Game of Thrones thing went. And he doesn't want too much dirt on his, on his, on his legacy. So he's probably holding on a little bit tighter, too. Little R.C. Cola, bro. We held you down. We got a niggas.
Starting point is 01:25:23 You know who Conno is. Man, shout out to Condo, bro. Shout out to R.C. Condo, the motherfucking man. Shout out to the 2014 Hercules movie, which I went and saw with Rock. That's why you're looking up first. And then I remember I like that bitch For whatever reason I remember I came back to TMZ
Starting point is 01:25:38 Yeah he did a Hercules movie I remember I came back to TMZ I was like The Rock Hercules movie is okay People from the office went to see it And then it came back and they went Yo Van are you fucking out of your mind I remember I never get my man went
Starting point is 01:25:51 Yo bro I took my family to that shit I was like no I thought I liked it Do you have a weakness for the Sword and Sandals movie This he man It's something about it I have a weakness for all of those The only movies I take
Starting point is 01:26:03 serious or the movies that take themselves seriously. And then the bar, the bar from me goes like way through the room. You like John Carter? No, I never saw that. I saw part of it. I never really saw down and watched that one. Oh, yeah. I saw that in a theater.
Starting point is 01:26:16 I never watched. I never saw that one, bro. I saw parts of it at home, but I didn't go to the movies to see it on. Okay. I mean, I didn't go to movie seat either. A brick, though. All right. Big time break.
Starting point is 01:26:24 Almost. Man. An all time. Yeah. No, he was on a roll. He was doing, they gave him three or four different shots. They gave him. I don't even want to get into it because that's actually sad.
Starting point is 01:26:33 Like they get him, they can come off and niggie get in this moment. Like three in a row. Like that one. The one with them. And why are we acting like Taylor Kish, did he, like he's, like on the, like on the thing. He's doing his thing. He came back. But they, yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:47 What was the one with Aaron Taylor Johnson and Beniso Dutoro? Savages? Savages. I like savages. Yeah. I like that one. That's all right. Savages.
Starting point is 01:26:55 Okay. All right, guys, that's it. Jomi, I don't know what the hell happened with Jomey on this one. Because you'll be on socials too much. That's what it is. That's true. in the comments where they're like, where's George? Where's George?
Starting point is 01:27:06 This is what you do to him. All right. No, know that this is what you do to him. It's true. The House of R has an interview with Ryan Condal out that you can watch right now. It's up right now. On Wednesday, the Midnight Boys are back to discuss the season finale of X-Men 97.
Starting point is 01:27:21 Special guest might be in the house for that. Thursday, but-mash previews Wolverine and Star Wars Zero Company. Star Wars Zero Company. It's a role turn-playing game. Yeah. Take turns. Different order of those words. different turn-based game.
Starting point is 01:27:35 Yes, there you go. It's like Yu-Gio, man, y'all got. Turns. Yeah, you take turns. Yeah, you take turns. I like a nice turn-based game. Yeah, TBGs. There you go.
Starting point is 01:27:44 That TBG. Our producers today are Alia Zaneers, Jake Wrennick. Devin Boraldi. Jomey Adeneron on social. Hachhtagmi Jomi Dragon Fight. This is a production from a Juno Romka Pah. Before I say this, I would just like to tell all of my coworkers and colleagues,
Starting point is 01:28:00 like C.T. Kalika, who doesn't work. here. But I will say, just how much fun it was to watch the season finale in the room together. Oh, that was great. Charles did not fucking do it. I was doing my fucking receipts from San Diego Comic-Card.
Starting point is 01:28:16 Charles might as well just go and ask for $35,000 because that's what you spent. But Charles, Charles did not do it. It was a lot of fun. It was so fun that I almost kind of feel like the show would be better if we watch all of these episodes together. Honestly, could be the move. We'll... We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Chuck, take us out.
Starting point is 01:28:42 The Midnight Boys are shaking their dreads. The Dragon Writers are mongrels. All respect to Mr. R.R. and Ryan Condon. Oh, my God.

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