The Ringer-Verse - Is ‘The Penguin’ Living Up to the Hype? Plus, ‘Agatha’ Episode 6 Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: October 18, 2024

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The social is going great, man. What's wrong with you, man? You good? I'm great. I'm fantastic. You ain't never done an intro that quickly. It was, whatever. It's like put too much into it.

I get to the show. So, what's going, like, what's happening with the wire thing on socials. Oh, man, it's going crazy. David Simon, the creator of the wire, he tapped in and he said that Gotham is cooked, basically. That you can fix Baltimore.

You can't fix Gotham. Also, theos need one more starter. One more, one more arm. I don't know if you could fix Baltimore at this point. It's been a while. They still go through it. They are. Wait, am I wrong?

I mean, I don't want to give up on a whole city. Yeah, I mean, I'm not giving up on them, but you just sound like it is. They can't be fixed. That's the local government's fault. That's not my fault. Here's why what happened, what he said about,

I love you, David Simon. But here's the reason why what he said about Gotham isn't fair to Gotham. It's not fair to Batman. Gotham got to be fucked up because if Gotham gets fixed then we don't need Batman.

And we have to need Batman. So in order to get more stories, people of Gotham, you must suffer. But now all modern Batman stories are just like, Batman, you're the reason why this city's fucked up. So they keep the problem going so they could sell the medicine. Well, you have to, right? Yeah.

Superman doesn't have any villains. Then there's no need for Superman, you know? Like, what did Vision say? Our strength invites challenge. You know what I'm saying? So like, I get you, David Simon. I understand you, David Simon. I respect you, David Simon.

But don't fucking come at Batman like that, David Simon. I mean, no way. Leave Batman alone. Batman's doing his thing. Prep time. Batman, so look, another thing I will say about that is it wasn't whether or not

Batman could really clean up Baltimore. Systemic. It's more the dynamics of... Can he get rid of the Barksdale's, the Prop Jodes? Can he clean up all those organizations? Oh, yeah.

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I'll turn you away. Brok out of reminders. Yesterday, Minadition gave you there. Y'all yelled about it episode. It's a great job. Kerm, you're growing as a podcaster. You think so? I've been getting into more of your poetry lately. Where? You've been posting it and posting different poetry stuff. you're in a whole poetry world I just thought that you would show up and do poetry but you're not bro

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Tomorrow, House of All right will give you their deep dive into the Lays episode, Akata. Akita. Next week, Venom is coming, too. Curious movie, Venom. Yeah? Sure. I don't know what to expect. I'm reading a lot of different stuff about venom.

Curious. I'm curious about Venom. The last Venom seemed to be sort of unsurious. Yes, I would say that. I would say the first one. one was also pretty unsserious. The first one took itself a little bit more seriously

than the second one, yeah. The second one was unserious. This new Venom, people are talking about no and his journey and all of that.

How are they going to go out? Has anybody seen this movie yet? Like, in the world? I'm not sure. Venom three? I don't think so. And it comes out next week? I get real nervous

when they do that thing where they don't really let me see it until the week of. I'm like, come on. It'd be a surprise. Don't duck the fade, yeah.

I saw Venom rapping with Buster rhymes. That was great. Yeah. I wish that was in the movie. How, no. I hope it. I wish that.

I hope Busterheim is in the movie. I miss stuff like that. See, they got little sins. They used to do that. They stopped doing that movies by the time. Y'all started watching them, but it used to be in the movies. What?

That they don't happen as much. Well, the star, like, I remember, like, men in black, right? Like, they would have a song attached to the movie with the star. That's not even what I'm talking about. But it's just a cameo with a rapper in it. I'm talking about it would be in the movies and it would be like, somebody thing would happen. And they would be like in a hardware store.

and be like, oh shit, it's the fat boys. Fat boys, can you help me solve this mystery? Yeah, we'll help you. They used to happen in movies like cameos by different people. Play the job. Play old bad. I'm telling you straight up. Remember Donovan off Beverly Hills where Little Richard,

rest in peace, just showed up out of nowhere. It was fun. That shit was fun to me, man. You guys don't remember it. On today's show, we're giving our instant reactions to the latest episodes of Penguin. Ooh. Agatha.

Ooh. And we're also discussing James Gunn Superman and Crypto the dog. And whether he's cornyer. Here's the thing. As fans, we do need to chill. Because I was just like, you were bringing it up. And it came on my algorithm where I'm like,

motherfucker's really mad at this dog. Oh, they were so hot. Like, it's, bro. Oh, it's bad. They're upset. They don't like crypto. They go it up. I fuck with Crypto.

I just think Crypto's having a resurgence right now. Crypto was gone for a long time. No, it wasn't? He was. He just had a movie in theaters. What did I say? I say, Crypto is having a resurgence right now. And that was part of the same research.

I'm saying he was gone for a long time. You want to disagree so bad. I said, crypto is having a resurgence right now. But for years, you didn't see any crypto. You were seeing crypto. He had a fucking TV show on Cartoon Network. Crypto was fucking gone. Was crypto in Larson Clark?

Was crypto in Lewis and Clark? No. He had a cartoon network show. He had a fucking movie. He was gone. And all of a sudden, crypto's in three things in all the movies. His crypto is in the team tight. Team Titans.

By the way, that was great when he was in that. The animated movie? No, no, no, Teen Titans is the show. Oh, the show? The show. He was in Titans. Oh, he wasn't Titans. He was in Titans.

He's got his own movie, the Super Pets movie. And then he got, he's in the big Superman movies. But we had a bunch of different super. Can you imagine if Henry Calvel Superman would have had a crypto? I saw that. He would have leveled a baseball field. That would have been, he needed some joy. Yeah.

So it's interesting to talk about what the crypto resurgence is about and whether it's about dogs. People love dogs more than they used to love dogs and make. We'll talk about it. People love dogs more now? It feels like anything. And when I was growing up, nigga didn't give a fuck about a dog. And then Vic did this thing. And we were like, maybe we're wrong.

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podcast. The spoilers are coming. Here's the thing about penguin. We're going to spoil it all. And then we're going to spoil a lot of other stuff because this penguin gets deep into Batman lore. And we're going to go deep on Penguin today. So I rewatch the original Batman movie

and I like it more now because of the penguin. You turned a page. I thought we liked that, but okay. I didn't like it that much. I thought it was good. but unwatchable. Okay. Something can be good and hard to watch.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was not a great theater watch. Sure. I remember you had gripes about just like the pace and it, like the mood. It's Kalika. Kalika hated to slow walk. Well, yeah, she didn't like to go up the stairs.

Yeah. To begin our reactions, we again bring you the Midnight Manifest, talking about all the need to know of Penguin. Chuck, take it away. Go for it. All right, this your Midnight Manamfest for the latest episode of The Penguin, directed by Helen Shaver, written by John McCutchen. We have a Sophia Falcone focus episode this time around.

We learned that Carmen Falcone originally intended to hand the family over to Sophia that after a reporter informed Sophia that she suspects Carmen is actually the hangman. She begins to have suspicions, especially around the supposed suicide of her mother. Oz rats out Sophia to Carmen, who uses his connections to send her to Arkham and pin the hangman killings on her. Then in the present, Sophia exacts revenge on the family by killing them in their sleep and finally taking her place as the head of the family. That's been your midnight manifest for. the penguin. How are you

feeling? Because this episode seems to have connected a lot, a lot with the fan base. Obviously, we got a lot of Kristen in this.

What were your feelings on? I was worried because, you know, I don't like breather episodes normally. We got two this week. And it's like,

it, to me, I don't normally like breather episodes when the episode stops on something so funny,

like a big, huge plot thing. I can argue that the act of the episode isn't because it follows the strand of where the last episode left off. But it does give us Billy flashback. Right. Well, we understand how he became who he was revealed to have been. But I get what you guys are saying.

I think it's probably slightly a breather. But this one really is a breather because we're looking at this gigantic thing that happens with Oz and Sophia and Vic. And then we go straight to her backstory. But I got to say, this is the greatest breather episode I've ever seen of anything.

Because it is. I got like off the top of my head. This is the greatest breather episode I've ever seen. Of an episode that ends with such gigantic stakes moving into the next one and completely takes you into a different story, the issue with it is it almost never deepens the story. It almost feels like a breather. This one does it. This feels like now, because you've watched this, at least in my opinion,

that you have such a deeper and more fundamental understanding of everything that's happening in the penguin. You have a deeper understanding of her. You have a deeper understanding of Oz. There are some criticisms. I don't think Mark Strong had a handle on Carmine Falcone, nearly as well as what John Chituro did, which is another reason why I rewatch the movie.

but that's a nitpig. Fantastic gripping, riveting episode of television that really, really, really deepened the story for me. I think I tend to agree. I think this episode did a wonderful thing of making Sophia, like her villain arc, I think, is what's going to drive the story going forward. So we know how she got to where she is,

who she is, and how she's going to have to face off with the penguin that we believe is going to become the penguin in the future, right? How does he knock off this person who just went and killed her whole family, right, after being, after 10 years of being in prison? I think, to your point, what this episode did as a breather episode is really special because you're supposed to, after what happened last week, with them driving off in the car, you're like, okay, how do we resolve that? How do we get to the thing? And only like, what, 60% of the episode is set in the past. Most of it, most of the, like, the action, the things that were we're supposed to care about happen in the last, like, 20, 30, 20 minutes. And it's legitimately excellent TV.

She also, the interesting part of her character, it's almost akin to a Joker-esque type of situation in the way her evil was created. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, it was, it, it, she wasn't someone in any way that, like, like, like, it was, it, it, she wasn't someone in any way that, was bad. It's actually, it was the core of her that was good

that made her a little bit curious about what her father was up to. And to see that be perverted. Yeah. And like to see the, because people are afraid of her, but for no good reason

because she didn't kill those people. Right. Now she is essentially turned into that. She didn't just kill a bunch of random ladies at the club. She killed her entire family. Yeah. So now she is way,

dangerous, way more dangerous than they thought that she was going to be, and much more insane. And seeing her get to that point, especially in Arkham, I love stuff said in Arkham. It's really awesome. It's that wonderful thing that a character can go through where they're painted in such a harsh light

by the world around them. And it's the entire thing where, like, if the world says you're crazy, that character will just give them crazy, I guess. Yeah. Because she was forced into all those things. And that great line that she had when she was talking about, like, for 10 years, men lied to me. And now I come out and it's all the same.

And I'm not even the one that's sick. You're not the one that's sick. The world's sick. And I know we just came out of Joker Folly Adune last week, but like this feels like a way better, like, philosophy of a character that the Joker could be than anything else that I've seen in a very long time. It's really, really good. And again, like what you said about a breather episode, everything that we've got. gotten from Sophia now is going to completely inform how in these next few episodes after what's just happened, now we know exactly who we're dealing with. And I think Kristen is doing like a

marvelous job at Sophia, obviously. But it's so, it's so interesting because obviously, huge change in 10 years, but she's also kind of the same inquisitive person she's always been, right? The scene with her and her father at the dinner table when she's, she's asking him about her mother, how she died, and she does the same thing where, like, when she's talking to, oh, she's talking to anybody, she has like another question, and she just be like, yeah, but I'm trying to get to, you know, I'm going to understand this. She's basically the same person with just all that trauma, all that, like, had, like, you know, stuff happened to her brain. And so when you get, when you see her at the beginning, you should at the end, it's like,

oh, I, I understand how she went from here point A to point B. It's the same character through all that nonsense. It really like informs the character Makes you feel like oh snap like I get how she got here I'm more invested I'm more into it let's go And on the on the Oz portion of it It's interesting to position her in She now becomes his direct foil almost

You know because he essentially created her Maybe not intentionally but maybe intentionally by going to Falcone About her talking with the lady Yeah Right So he essentially creates her right Like literally throws the acid in her face, drops her into the vatta criminal chemicals,

whatever you want to put it. And then for 10 years, Oz, who is pretty unassuming as her driver, does it seem like he is dangerous at all? Actually, seems like he's kind of everybody's pasty. He gets called penguin. He seems to be not even somebody that's like up and coming. He's just literally just a worker.

Like, T-Chi, get the door. What movie's that from? I can tell you. Chi-Chi, the door. No, you got, no. I'm missing it. Chee-Chi, the door! You can keep saying, and I'm not going to, under Susano.

You guys? I'm missing it. Scarface? Moving on. All right. Audience, once you subscribe to the YouTube, go in there and tell me. How dumb we are about movies, I guess.

And what movie did someone go, Citi, the door? I feel like I can just go. Maybe it wasn't Chi-Chi. Maybe it wasn't. I will say this while we're on mob movies, my biggest pet peeve, yo,

you gotta be smarter. You can't be fucking meeting the reporter out in daylight with your driver. Like, what is she doing? That shit happens all the fucking time in mob movies.

Why wouldn't you go by yourself? Maybe. Like, having Oz there was really odd. I mean, she's probably, I'm driving. She didn't think he was going to snit.

And naive about that. You had no idea that the driver that's constantly getting shit on was going to smitch on you for going to a reporter. Probably not. Because he said the first time they made, he's like, yo, we don't talk to reporters. So that, I'm not shooting odds any bail, but he did give her a warning like, yo. He did. He did. And but the 10 years that she was away, she's become a hardened criminal.

And in the 10 years that he's been working for the family, he as well has sort of metastasized into this pseudo criminal mastermind type of guy and now watching them meet for one final salvo when they kind of created each other yeah such an awesome thing to like play out over the last couple of shows that's great i do have a nitpick though give it uh she went to she got uh she went to prison for how many bodies all right a lot and she only did 10 years she's white Well, what's his face from Son's Anarchy, my boy? He said he helped.

Maybe he was just like, he went to the judge. Yeah. I guess the thing that, like, I was wondering about the hangman of it all. So her father's the hangman. So why is he strangling women and then hanging them? Like, I didn't understand what that was always in.

Make it look like they killed themselves. Yeah. They were on them drops. but all these women were from the iceberg. Like, I was like, if I was a report, I'd be like, damn, it's kind of weird how like five or six women hung themselves and they all worked at the same place. Well, that's what the reporter did. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't understand why as a serial killer, you would, you would be like, all these women are going to die in the same way.

I'd be like, that seems like a weird way to do it. Okay. Well, if you're in the mob, why would you just make them disappear? No. Well, so here's the thing, right? Like, you have the cops on payroll, obviously. Yes. Right?

So you can just strangle them, hang them. Oh, they died, they were sad. They died by suicide. Oh, the cops cover it up. You keep it pushing. That's really. We will not be using the, like, this is like a villain kink thing in the same way that like the riddler has riddles?

Is the hangman being like... He obviously has some sort of psychosis. Yeah. I would say that that's great. Where he wants to strangle him. He's just like, I mean, that's my thing. I don't, I'm like, we can't like break it down for why he does what he does.

I just, I was just interesting. Let me tell you guys, this is why y'all should be watching the interrogation videos that I'm watching. I really do not wish to.

Watching the interrogation videos, you would know that like, I watched this one where this guy, they're talking to this guy and the cops were talking to him and asking them why

he, like, shot up his whole family. And he's like, there is no why. I just did. And I was like, fuck! And that's when I started

to like get into the different videos and understand that's like, and I watch this stuff. So this guy, obviously, Carmine Faccone, obviously has some type of fetish or craziness

to where he's looking for women to kill, right? And he's killing women that nobody don't care about. Yeah. Which is what they say. Their deaths won't make the news. The deaths won't make the news because these are ladies that work in the 44 below. No, no, no. The club is called the iceberg. It's the 44 below in the iceberg lounge. 44 below is like the VIP thing.

The VIP. Yeah. So he's killing them because nobody will really care about them, which if you follow serial killers, a lot of them, some of them don't, but a lot of them would choose people who weren't really going to be missed by society. Right. This is just doesn't seem random. There's a clear pattern with this. Right. And so when the lady finds out about it, then that's the first time that we see Sophia's character thrown into this not of morality. she makes it out on the other end of that, not.

However, not unscath. Cool. Not unscath. I mean, I know, but I'm saying like... She has a conversation. Yeah. She gives into her morality, and that ends up becoming her undoing. Right. Which is another larger commentary about how things going on.

Her dad put her up. Yeah. Yeah. And it's nuts. And frankly, I kind of love the, where we end with this episode because now when her and Penguin are clearly like now, now probably diametrically opposed and there's going to be some sort of face off in some way. It's going to be her morality driving everything that we've now had to understand about her from

this point versus Oz's personal ambition because that's what the whole show's been in for. You think her morality, she's just murdered her whole family. Well, sorry, morality from, twisted morality from everything that she's experienced. She got put up and so now she got a, all right, Ben, if I'm that crazy person, I'm going to just lean in. I'm going to do it. And this is her version of that kind of. justice that she gets. For her, she feels like she has to do this.

She has a cause, right? Oz is just saying it for the love of the game. Yeah. You know, I'm just trying to get minds. You know, I thought about, I thought about Searcy blowing up the sept. There you go. I thought about, uh, Searcy playing the game, playing the game. Not playing it well, but just playing it.

Trying to color within the lines, doing the whole thing. And then getting to the point to where she goes, fuck it. Blown it all up. The only way for me to win is to turn the page on all of these people. And to be honest, she tried it with Oz. She tried to use her dead fathers, the specter of her dead father. She tried to use all of these things to make these people remember that technically everything should be hers. Yeah.

Because she is the kid. She couldn't do it. She had to get rid of them. There's no game. Not the child. Not the child. Which I always wonder about that. Question.

Do you leave the child alive if you murder the whole family? I was wondering. I was like, first, if I was a kid, I'm like, I'm not taking this random piece of chocolate cake and sleeping in a greenhouse with you when my mom is like, she's a serial killer. But B, I was like, isn't this the problem that happened with the hangman and her seeing her mom, which is just like, this kid is going to be like. I do think it's a little strange that you really wanted me to sleep in this greenhouse and didn't want me to go back in the house.

I think you killed my whole family. But I guess Sophia's just like who's going to believe this little girl? I mean, because they all died of like carbon monoxide or something like that. Yeah. Kids have to be a fucking moron not to believe that something went real. I mean, how would the kids like what, like six or seven? I feel like you figured out at some point. Her mom being like, do not talk to this woman, do not associate.

And then that same one would be like... Yeah, but it's still a little kid. Oh, sorry. Well, no, no. I'm not talking about in the moment. She's a kid and the kid's a kid in the moment. I'm talking about going... Later, absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, definitely. I thought about this. There are many different examples of leaving the kid alive. Kill Bill famously. Kill Bill famously. Famously, I can't remember. Oh, this is also, by the way,

Chi Chi, the door comes from their godfather to. But like earlier is like, in that movie is like, young boy becomes grown man you can't leave when they're when they're gonna kill Vito you can't leave the kid alive I was thinking if you I guess they didn't want to have the character

kill a kid because we're supposed to have an anti-hero relationship to her sure but I just thought about tactically you created a I mean yeah she's still like yeah psycho you gotta keep the cycle going

but do you think that's more of like an emotional ploy to be like, because the kid didn't, like, for story purposes, there could be a million reasons why the kid isn't there. Or the kid isn't an active danger. But it makes it a point, right? I understand, but it makes it an active point to be like, she chose to not kill this kid. Our boy at the end,

she leaves him alive. Yeah. With the gun. It's seen, he seems to be the one character that has utility that you can't just bump off. Well, that's Carmen's second in command. Right. So I was assuming I was just like, well,

see how they do it in the next episode, but I'm like, I'm not in the mob, but if you kill off an entire family, I would be like all the lieutenants and everything. They'd be like, wait, why are we following you? So I'm assuming that she's like, I got to keep the number two in line because he, he knows. They'll listen to somebody. Yeah, you know. And also the relationship with the triads. Yeah. Remember, he had talked to the triads. They had forced him. So in order to keep that going, because she needs distribution for a doublet. then she has to keep him a lot. Let's go to Arkham.

What do we think about the Arkham stuff in here? I liked it a lot. Magpie, rest in peace, man. Magpie was fucked up. She's tough, man. Not long for this world, Magpie. You got to homies? Fork woman, I was like, all right, guys.

That was nuts. I was like, all right, man. That was crazy. Once she had the fork and start, you guys know how I feel about stabbing. It's rough. Not like stabbing. Like, she was like stabbing herself up.

Forkwoman. stabbing the shit out of herself. Very, very unsettling. They had her on chain. So, Sophia was like, why is she on chain? And she tried to kill Sophia. Was that like her pops made the calls? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Also, Sophia, you're, like, you're supposed to be a little bit smarter than that. Well, she's like, guys, she's unchained. I'm like, yo, just swing on her. But she didn't have her in her. Sophia had to become, what's another great example of a movie where actually Oz, the show Oz is, where,

somebody goes into, man, Oz, either you became a psychopath or you died. Somebody goes in the prison and then they have to become hard inside of the prison. It's not like Roershack. Worshack went there right away. It was fucking over people. But I was wondering what was going to be the trigger for her. That just set things off. That just set things off to let her know that she had to harden up or become one of the psychopaths

inside of Arkham Asylum to survive. And I thought even though we weren't there for an extended period of time, it wasn't three or four episodes there, she completely sold it. By the way, fantastic acting throughout the entire deal. But when I watched Arkham, I was like, huh, she's in there, she's taking stock of everything. Everyone thinks she killed all of these women. And then on the other side of it,

she becomes, in a way, worse than all of them. Yeah. She becomes more twisted, more damaged. and it's also kind of commentary on what happens to inmates when they're inside of a prison, how they come out a lot of times more dangerous than they win. Breaks their brains. And I can see her, like,

Christmas is so good in this episode, but when she first gets to prison and they do all of those things to her, just to get her in the jail and in Arkham, like, her eyes are like as big as dinner plates because she's just like completely shell-shocked from everything that she's seen, let alone what she's going to have to do to change.

And seeing that change in, this brief amount of time in Arkham that's shown to us, but to know that it's for that long, he's incredible. Who was the villain of this episode? I mean, Carmine. The system.

Yeah. It's Falcone. It's not the system. It was Falcone. Yeah. It was Falcone. The whole episode changed the way that I look

at the Falcone family as a whole. Really? Yeah. It's against type, right? Think about this. When you watch all of this mob stuff, by the way,

before you can get to this, How much is the penguin a mob show? How much, how much is the penguin a mom? Not a lot. Not as much as we thought it was initially. This was the most mob stuff that we got and it wasn't about Oz really. No, because we, in the beginning of the season, we are getting like your typical mob. Oz is the like Goodfellas guy on the outside trying to make inroads with the family failing at it.

So I do think it does think of itself as a mob show. but it kind of like deviates off the path. Yeah, I think this episode and the first episode are like kind of the most mob-centric, but episode two and three, especially three, I mean, it's all Vic. He's not really involved in that stuff. So it's more like a, I don't want to say a character study because I don't think it's that deep, but it's more interested in the story of the characters than telling the story of a mob family, I think. Vic, though, in that episode is essentially learning how to become a mobster.

He's learning about the price that you have to pay. He's learning about what you have to give up. He's learning that the life, that entire episode is about him becoming a criminal. Yeah, I mean, but not a mobster, right? I mean, that's what kind of criminal he is. Yeah, sure. But I think it's, I think he can expand that, right? Just being somebody in that life where at any turn, at any moment, you have to make tough decisions.

It's kind of like heat, right? If you're not ready to leave what you got when the heat comes around, then, like, is it worth it? You know, it's kind of the same thing. The reason why I ask is because. Falcone, when they sell us this mob shit, which they always do, right? When they sell us this mob shit, what they normally sell us is these family bonds that undergird this criminal activity. And of all the mobsters at the top of the mob, you normally don't see someone who is

willing to fuck over their family to get ahead. Like in The Godfather, Michael has four. Fredo killed into, and it is the biggest cardinal sin that he commits. Yeah. And he never, ever gets over it. In the Sopranos, Tony will have anybody fucked over, do anything. But his kids and his family unit, off limits will do anything to protect them. In this episode, Carmine Falcone actually goes, this to me is the episode of the show

became a comic book show. Because Carmont Falcone goes from classic archivalry. a type of mobster to actually, I mean, unless, you know, you go like Batman movie, whether or not Catwoman is his daughter and all of that stuff, like, actually comic book villain, somebody that's doing something for no rhyme or reason, we really don't know why, right? Hurting people, the lowest and most innocent and needs a superhero force to come in, she kind of becomes the superhero of this movie in a little bit. Absolutely.

She inflicts that justice that he that she feels like she was wronged for. And it was like the repercussions of all of those things that she did. Killed his mom. And I think that's what you were saying. That's why she feels like she's on the righteous path. That's why she feels like I'm doing the right thing. And it's actually interesting you mentioned Catwoman being Carmine Falkoutty's daughter. He tried to choke her too.

Choke her too. Yep. Tried to choke her out. Yeah. That's his MO. That's what he's into. I mean, if this is a. modern mob story kind of. The thing I'm wondering is, I feel like the modern mob doesn't do that

type of shit anymore, like that godfather, like, I'm trying to pass this down head of the family to my like son. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's Sopranos. It's not just that. They try to. Some about the modern mob in real life or the model mob story? Like, both. Where I was just like, I was wondering, I'm like, why does Carmen think that, uh, Carmine think that the only two people he can pass the family down to are his inkship. son or his kind of innocent daughter. Because part of me was wondering, I was just like, obviously

Sophia is more capable than her brother. But she does seem more innocent when she gets to Arkham, where I'm like, you know what the game is. You know what your father does for a living. Like... Well, I mean, you said it. It's the family. You got to keep it in the family. It's like anybody who

has a hardware store, textile store, when you want to... The family owned, we got to keep it with us. Yeah, but Tony wasn't giving AJ the keys. You know what I'm saying? He already knew he didn't have the... Well, he wanted him out of it. See, that's what made Tony the hero of the story. AJ wasn't up to the task.

I mean, yeah, no, he wasn't going to do it. By the way, I got to say something real quick. Speaking of pluck, I love Superman and Lois, and I'm loving Superman and Lois, last night was the greatest fucking pluck from kids and teenagers. Like, great

as in good? No. No. Wait, who's me and plucky? The fucking kids on the show, Lex Luthor is twisting their minds up. If you don't lase this nigger, like, like, Lex Luthor is twisting these kids's mind up. They don't know which way. This is a one of the best Lex Luthor performances I've ever seen. Yeah. This guy has Superman's family on a string.

He is killing Smallville. And these kids are plucky assholes. Plucky fucking idiots with powers. And I'm saying I watched it last night and I enjoyed it. I'm loving Superman and laws. But God damn it, if I'm not seeing some obscene pluck, makes Hawkeye look like a goddamn Werner-Herzog movie. I'm seeing like obscene.

Is there a quarterflipping in Superman-in-Law? Do they like learn to fly? Well, here's a deal. Superman himself is kind of a quarter-and-fieling. flip because you know nobody Superman didn't have like a like a Liam Neeson teaching him how to use his powers right right he was thinking

about the call from Taken just like do you know who I am yeah yeah oh but you know who Superman did have though he did have the hologram of his yeah his father his dad yeah he had the Legion of Super here there yeah he had Joe L I mean yeah he had people around but not really teaching them how to use his powers but these

kids the DOD have to teach them how to use it you guys should be watching the DOD Yeah, the DOD is in Superman. The Department of Defense? Yeah, yeah. Wait, what? They wanted to weaponize his kids.

Okay, so look, Lois Lane's dad. Yeah, General Lane. His General is in DOD. Okay, so they have a relationship with Superman in the show because, you know, Superman had to, it was a great episode, right? Okay. And Superman had to tell Lloyd's father that he was Superman. And he took his glasses off.

I'm him. I saw that clip on TikTok. It's very emotional. It was like, I'm him. Yeah. And so. And so it's ridiculous. That was funny.

Because all he did in the clip. He was like, you're beautiful. He had the glass on and he's like, I'm him and he's like, hey, stop pulling my chain. He took the glasses off and stood up straight and he was like, I'll be damn. Fucking ridiculous. But cool. Anyway, getting back to the actual show that we're talking about. Right.

Yeah. So in this sort of dynamic that we're talking about, Tony Soprano, protecting his kids. In the sopranos, there are other people who take up for their fathers. You know, Little Carmine was in a power struggle.

In the actual real mob, John Gotti's kids took over the Gambino family. It still happens. The mob in it of itself is kind of dead. It still happens. No, I wasn't saying that it does.

Like, it's like, I think, when I think of like the traditional mob, especially like Italian or whatever, of course, keeping it in the family. But a lot of our modern stories, which why I was asking,

does seem to be like, Tony is just like, I don't really want you for this. A lot of the mob movies are just like, this isn't for you. You get the cousin or the nephew. You're like, I don't give a fuck. Well, I don't know if Carmine's son wanted to be in charge.

I wanted to, he's desperately becoming a character that I want to know more about. Because I'm not so sure if he wanted to be in charge. And in this one episode, he does feel like a useful fucking idiot. Yeah. He does feel like. somebody who everybody is pulling strings on him. He was the only person that seemed like a plot device in this episode because he's just, he's a set dressing just doesn't have any clue what the fuck is going on.

That's kind of his thing, right? Yeah. That's why they put Joe Mealsel on there. I mean, but that's why he gave it to Sophia, right? That's why he was like. Because he knew this guy, he's a fucking idiot. This guy, there's nothing going on in his brain. There's just two rocks up there and they don't even touch.

So I want to give it to you. And instead of her being like, hey, thanks. dad, I'm a great, thank you. It's like, hey, what happened to mom? Why were your, why were your hand scratched? It was actually such a great scene when she was like hanging on to him when he was about to leave the car to go to the club in broad daylight. But like, for some reason, the way that it was shot and she's like looking up at him

and he's looking down, but he looks so like insecure and unsure and unsurious. And she's genuinely trying to figure something out like in earnest. Yeah. And it feels so like intimate to like. talk to your brother like that and just like, yeah, we've had to lie about a lot of stuff. But like, what's dad not telling me that he's not telling you? Like, there's like a really great intimacy between the two of them. And he just like dashes it away.

And it like kind of starts off that whole thing. Well, but that's why it informs, that's why it informs their relationship throughout the entire series. That's why she feels so bad when he dies. She's like, yo, they kill my boy. Yes. Y'all got to do something about this. We, we assume in those first couple of episodes, oh, you know, he went to visit him prison. That's nice and sweet.

But we know it's beyond that. Right. It's just him being there for her at all times, protecting her, loving her. And it's more than just like, I need revenge on my mob brother, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, it's like, I love this guy. He was the only person of my family who stood by me when all this stuff happened. Y'all put me up for this. And y'all let my brother die?

Hell not. It's not going to happen. And now, and I think that her brother being dead, I don't think that she could have killed the whole family if he was still alive. I think that he was probably the only thing that still made her feel like a falcony. And she knows that he's dead. she's trying to figure out who killed him. She kind of thinks maybe they did, whatever. So I think her being able to detach herself

because everything that was going on was about her allegiance to her family. I mean, no, doesn't she know at this point that Oz killed Alberta? I mean, she had the thought and then they started working together and then they had the ring. The Moroni's took credit for it.

Yeah. I thought in last episode, they were bait. Like she kind of was just like, oh, you've been working with the Moron. because she already kind of thought. She's just like, why were you there that night with him. Not like him being the guy. The guy.

Did it. She had that thought. And then, you know, the whole thing happens. Then like he's like, you got to wear that ring in the prison. You take credit for this. We'll get the drops thing. So they're out on the streets telling everybody, yo, the Moronis, we killed Joe Maisel. I don't know who does that.

But even if she doesn't know, I guess my point is, and I could be wrong on that, I guess my point is that she doesn't feel any connection to anybody else besides her brother. If her brother was alive, things would be going differently. And so when she makes the decision to root the entire family out, she's zeroing out her family and saying that all the tradition and all of that stuff doesn't even fucking matter. It's a super interesting decision for the character to make. Like, I actually cannot believe that was happening. I will say this, though.

One of my least favorite things that happens is when somebody is made the fucking king or the leader or the queen. and then nobody else knows. I hate it when this happens. I hated it when it happened on Game of Thrones when Baratian looks at Ned and goes, you're the king. Don't tell me in the room by itself. Tell Ned to go get everybody.

Bring everybody in the room. Bring everybody in the room. He did the same thing to her. Send out of all staff. What Falcone should have done. I mean, he actually changed his mind, but what you should have done is like, hey, this is the motherfucker I want to be the thing.

Penguin, as a show, rave reviews. everyone loving it. Everyone's saying some of the best stuff ever. You're fucking with the penguin. A lot of gas on the penguin. Where are we at? There's one more character I want to talk about

in this episode a little bit later. One of the worst cuck characters that I've seen, powerless cucks. Oh? New segment. That's in Arkham Asylum. He makes me sick.

But I want to talk about him later. But before we get to him, how are we feeling about the penguin. Is the gas on the penguin too much? Not enough or completely apt? We're like what? Halfway through, right?

Yep. Midseason is just now. Some people are saying the greatest comic book television show ever made. There's a lot of game left. And I think this is why this episode is so good. It's because at least when I'm watching the first couple episodes, I'm thinking, okay, Sophia and Oz are going to have this uneasy alliance that at some point

later, I'm thinking like episode seven, episode eight, breaks down and he has to like make the move to finally become the penguin. And this episode was like, actually, no, that was only like we just gave you that at the beginning. The next half is going to be Oz and Sophia going head to head. And we've seen what Sophia can do. And that leads the question like, how's Oz going to get out of this one, right? Yeah. It's all things like getting out of corners, brother. This is a crazy corner to get yourself out of, man. How does he do it?

I cannot wait to see. I think episode four is an immaculate springboard for the next four episodes. I can't wait. So what, I mean, but what's the answer to the question, though? Yeah, it's justified. I got to see it. We got to see the end. Like, it's a good, look, great first half.

You know what I'm saying? You're up, you're up 28 to 3. Can you hold that lead? Look like a Cowboys getting. What a fucking terrible fucking, you, if saying that you're up 20, you just jinx the show. Wait a minute. You just, you said you're up 28 to 3. It's a famous lead.

We all know what happens. We all know. We all know. Calamity happens. Is Kyle Shanahan on the Penguin? We don't know. If Kyle Shannon are not there, I trust it. I trust that lead.

We got to be being prisoners to the moment. This ain't even the best Batman TV show we've ever gotten. What's the best Batman TV show? Batman the Animity Series? I don't want to talk about that. That's a comic show. Really, this is kind of like not a Batman show. I mean, Batman the Animated series is like, it's,

It's like comparing those, this to that. Those are comic book shows. Yeah, but it's the best apple and the best orange. Yeah, it's like totally, totally, totally different things. I feel you. Blimey anime series is fantastic, but like it's for kids, this is completely different. It's like comparing the Sopranos to Seventh Heaven. But it, so Steve, what do you say?

I think that we hit another gear in this fourth episode, and it really is taking itself incredibly serious. for all the right reasons to know that this is going to elevate the material. We saw it with, it's very rare to see when a spinoff show does this and it acts

like it's its own thing, it's its own at bat, and it's swinging for the fences and right now it's nailing it. I think the gas is justified. To this point, Charles, do you feel like this is a Batman show? You guys feel like this, you guys, do it, is Pink one of a Batman show? I mean, yes, yeah, it is.

It's set in Gotham, Markham, they're using the dressing of a Batman show. It's just a philosophical question. Can you have a Batman show without Batman? Right. But they've been doing this kind of for years. Like Gotham kind of did this. I mean,

mini Bruce Wayne is in that. He's in the show, yeah. But it's not like Batman's popping up just fucking. But I feel like this is, I don't want to say like the word isn't annoying, but they're not like peppering you like, oh, here's a little Bruce Wayne thing here, a little Batman thing here.

Like, there's none of it. There's none of it. There's literally outside the beginning of montage. There's literally none of it. There's like, there's no, there's the flood. You see the flood, but you don't hear.

There was one mention of Batman where it's like, ah, these guys are fucking maniac. There was one, but they're not, at least right now, we're not getting,

hey, we got to go down to Wayne Hospital. They're like, we got Arkham, obviously, but there's not as much. But it's not, for Arkham's sake.

It's very clearly the reason. There's not like, D.A. Harvey Dent is in this big or anything like that. But you don't think that, that, because as I've been watching this, I'm just like, that more seems like a function of the show and what Reeves wants to do. Because I'm like, this show does have a lot of Batman Easter eggs,

but it's like characters that Reeves probably would never really touch in the main movie. And that's something that I'm like going back and forth with. Yeah, but if you're not an avid comic book character and you don't know the Easter egg that is like the opening gangster story that Oz tells about the guy that he looked up to into his neighborhood, it doesn't matter. To you, it's just a guy that he looked up to when he was a kid. No, more so what I mean, though, is I think, I might be wrong. I don't know if Reeves wants this show to step too much on potentially what he will do in the second and potentially third movie.

So I think that there is a reason why we're getting, like, lesser-known characters or storylines that, like, kind of touch Batman. But if he ever wants to use Arkham, we haven't seen the most famous inmates. We haven't seen Harne Quinn. We haven't seen it. Yeah, but that would also kind of suck out the oxygen of the show and make it more about, like, it would just be a bit more about like a showcase of these IP characters that we have instead of. This is already an IP showcase.

I get it, but it's the idea that like this is clearly focused on the good and enriched characters that it has and doesn't want to shoehorn things in just for the sake of being like, hey, remember this, this is a Batman thing? Like, we happen to be in Gotham. It happens to be in Arkham. This happens to be. Is Batman's world big enough, deep enough to have a story set in it and it not be a Batman story? For sure.

You don't see? For sure. I think so. Absolutely. So far. Okay. Well, hey, let's, let's, let's go on the podcast. Let's have the conversation.

I mean, is, because if we go outside of the penguin, I think the second Joker is like an interesting, where it's like, the second Joker movie flopped because it was bad. But I also do think that it's like, does someone. of the like new shininess wear off after you have the first movie. And what I mean by that is like, people probably were interested in seeing one Joker movie. How interested were they in seeing two?

I think people are interested in seeing a Harley Quinn movie. Are they interested in seeing three or four? And I would be interested to see if, like, Penguin is like that. Is Penguin the type of show that they want to make this something that's coming back every two years and we get three or four seasons? Or is this something that is like self-contained, almost a miniseries. And I'm starting to wonder, like, once we get to Batman,

Batman and movies, how much the audience want from this? Do you just want one-off stories? Or do you want Joker 2, 3, 4, Penguin season 2, 3, 4, 5? Do you want to see a Gordon spin-off from the Batman universe? I actually don't know what the appetite is anymore.

Well, I think that the appetite for quality, quality is always first. Yeah, if something is good. So the first thing is always how good is the story that they're telling? No matter what universe it's set in, no matter what's going on. We've talked about, obviously, Andor ad nauseum. It wasn't the most successful show viewership-wise, right? But I would imagine that the second season of Andor will perform much, much better

because of the gas that's been put on it, all rightly so. I think quality is the first thing. The Joker thing is different because if they tried to give us three seasons of the penguin where, or even another season of the penguin, where we're going through another penguin origin series,

it's not going to work. Like if we're getting, at some point, the thought is, even in Gotham, take fuck any of that, Take Smallville. Take Smallville, right? Smallville is a story that's centered on Clark Kent figuring out his birthright, his destiny. How does the story of Smallville end?

How does it have to end? Him becoming Superman. It has to. It has to end that way. So people keep coming into Smallville. First, he can run. First, he can do all this. He's figuring out his powers.

They dropped everybody from the D.C. universe into Smallville. They dropped everybody in there. They had a JSA in there. But they had everyone. They had everybody in there. But the North Star is, okay, there is something compelling about watching him become Superman.

And in the last episode, you get that and you go, oh my God, the story fits on it. If that doesn't happen, or if you know that that's never going to happen, then you have to create value about why you can. care about Clark Ken and then 11th grade. Right. And Joker failed to do that because Joker abandoned the mission and or let us know that

that was never the mission. So then the question became, why are we looking at this? I mean, but structurally, I think it is an interesting question just in terms of can you have a Joker movie, can a Joker movie or trilogy sustain itself without Batman? Because there's only so much, there's only so much of an origin story that you can tell before people are going to be like, well, when's Batman? man going to show up. And I think Penguin, where at least this season seems to be leading us is this guy is going

to be, we're telling you the story of how he becomes the penguin. If there's another season, it becomes even harder because you're like, well, if he's the penguin now, he's going to have to run into Batman. Well, his penguin is already run into Batman. Yeah, he's already running. So what I'm saying is that, like, that's a non-starter here. Yeah. This penguin was was fucking with Batman in the last movie and like hemmed up by Batman and the

whole thing. Batman exists in this. I don't know where the nigga is now. it would be nice thing. It's daytime. We talked about it. So this thing was already run into Batman.

I think, but not in not in the way that we're used to them interacting. Yeah. So the way that they'll interact when he is a fully formed gangster boss

would seemingly be different than how it is when he is a middle manager. And it's not going to be as visually clear, say, as somebody putting on a suit like Superman. Like there's no going to be this, there might not be this big christening moment

of like he puts on a monocle in a top hat and like he's now the penguin he pulls an umbrella out because that would kind of suck in this world that would like for this show the umbrella I can get with the umbrella gun is cool the umbrella gun is always cool I think if some way at the end of this

he gets an umbrella being one ends up getting the umbrella I can fuck with that okay so the monocle top hat and monocle man it's too if they do the top hat and the monocle I'm a fucking lot laugh.

I'm opposed to that scene. I'm gonna fuck with it. I'm gonna fly. If they do the, but the umbrella would be clutch. Oh. That's the last thing he does.

Wait, wait. He just has, because he's got all the things. The umbra. Or, or at the end, and whack, gawk, gack,

if he, if he, the umbrella actually would be clutch. How penguin can he get? I don't think we're going to see him at the zoo at the last episode. May it's fucking after that. No.

Wow, we got to have fun with it, That's like, yeah, that's a good idea. I'm just imagining like that scene at the end of Fanforstic where somebody's like, hey, yo, penguin, come over here and he's like, say that again. He's there. What if there's something he likes about penguins, you know,

penguins, they can operate in a cold, but they can also swim their survivors. I'm the penguin. The male takes care of the eggs. I'm taking care of the same. Or he looks at Vic. He's like, You got to stay with me forever.

Penguins choose their mates for life. Let's have the march of the penguins. Everybody, we're going to march. We're going to march. Let's take the match of the penguins. Or happy feet of dance number. Yeah, yeah. Oh, we need Morgan Freeman doing the fucking voiceover.

That would be dope. These are the things. And they're also all cobobobobats. These are the things. Right, right, right, whack, whack, whack, right, right. Right. I'm like, just get penguin with it. Because right now I will say it's not very penguiny.

I don't need it to be. No. But at the end, penguin this nigga out a little bit. I mean, he, I would not be mad if he reopens the iceberg lounge.

It's very classically icy. You know what I'm saying? A little icebergs. He's got real penguins. If it makes it back, come on, bro, he did have real penguins in the icebergs.

Penguins with rockets on their back. Remember how, that's great. How Danny DeVito was coming with it. Danny DeVito was coming with actual penguins that was in his game. I love a theme. It's like, bro,

this is the type of shit. Now that they, Because really what they've been doing, see, they're going to do all of this stuff. The last two episodes are going to be crazy as shit. Like, they've gotten us into this world. They're right in there like, we got them. Now you know what we need? Rocket Penguins.

Yes. And by the time we get the Rocket Penguins. You thought this was gritty and serious, turns out? Honestly, I'll fuck with the Rocket Penguins from Batman Returns. That shit, bro. Honestly, would you fuck with it if he went into Danny DeVito row? He starts getting fucked up teeth, black bile. Like, did that?

I like that. shit. That nigga was tough to look at, though. It was bad. It's rough. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised second season they do, was it in that movie, Penguin's trying to be the fucking mayor? No, yeah, he was. Like, Max Shrek was

Max Shrek had put him up to it. He was going to run for mayor because he had come from nowhere. He was using his sway with the people to, like, fuck over Batman in the image of Batman. I mean, what I remember from that movie is also crazy because did the Penguins parents

like a band in that motherfucker? Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They flew in the sewer. Yeah, they looked at them. They were raised by penguins. Raised by the Penguins. I see, this one I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. See, this is what I'm saying. Raised by penguins. I didn't even learn to speak. People with people, when people, when people, when people,

shout out Gunther. When people tell us, like, when we're watching the penguin and it's too much, I'm like, y'all don't understand what we, we would go for in 92, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In 92, we'd go for some shit. He had a spiral on that, on that umbrella and just hypnotize somebody. Batman was scratching records. Remember that? Yeah. Oh, that's my favorite. Not the bat credit card?

No, no, no, no. Oh, the bat credit card. Never leave the bat game without it. Wait, what was the light up shit that, Michelle Piper has in her fucking, oh, hello there, hell here? Yeah, something like that. I'm just like.

It was said hello there, and then when she became, Cat woman, it was hell here. I've fought with people the entire time about this. About when she dies and then a cat sits on her and then she wakes back up, I was like, is that a cat giving her a life? Or did she just survive the fall? No, she got nine lives. She became, the cats had a cat ceremony of.

Yeah, the cat seance and then just gave her a cat life. She came back, she became a cat demon of some sort. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I said. A vessel for the cat. Question. if Kalika perishes but came back as cat woman, would you

would you like, you'd be like, hell yeah, Kalika's back, or we'd be like, this is weird, you're a cat demon now. I mean, we gotta talk about it in therapy, right? Right. So you're a cat woman now? Okay, so I saw what happened. You were pushed out of a, like, skyscraper?

Do you want to talk about, like, what happened? It's like, all the cats brought me back? How many cats are you allowed in the apartment before you got to be like, ah, this is too much. I mean, my thing is this. Jesus is going to get involved at something like a few times. We're going to put hands on her. Like, I'll be like, okay, so the cats brought you back to.

You bring a black shirt over here? We got to, we got to go because this could turn into a whole paranormal activity situation. Right. You don't want to be woken up like a million cats like. We're trying to watch Superman and Lewis and she's over there. You know what I'm saying? Milk's everywhere. You know, but.

Can't have that. You can't have that. You can't have that. Back to a penguin. Right. The Cuck character is the other doctor in the hospital. Shades from Luke Cage? No, he's not just shades.

He's what's his face from Sun to Anarchy? Anytime he's in a show, he's about to fuck someone over. If they typecast him. He's really good at that, though. He's one of my favorite. Hey, take a stand, brother. Stand up. Either you're going to help or you're not going to help.

This nigger offers some of the worst help. Yeah, that was bad. You know his dick trash because he can't commit. Like, like he offered some of the- What does a have to do with B? What does that have to say about,

well, he wanted to hit is the reason why he was doing what he wanted to hit. They had that scene when she was all up in his face. But she probably was. She probably don't want to let him hit because she probably looking at it like, your shit is trash because you can't commit. You're not going to be able to drop the bucket.

Like, you got to be able to drop the bucket. You got to commit to it. My other question is just, once again, Sophia, you just got at Arkham, this motherfucker was torturing you and you're like, you know what would be great, making him my therapist.

It seems a little weird. I mean, she didn't have too many friends at that point. Yeah, Arcombe's not a tight place. The motherfuckers are electrocuting me every day. He's not going to be my therapist. You know what I'm saying? I'm not trusting him. I mean, she was like the one,

like the closest thing she had to a friend in Arkham. What? But your brain is broken when you come out of Arkham. All right. I mean, once again, he was just a bad friend. A bad friend. I would call the therapist the entire thing. I wouldn't call that a friend.

No, I wouldn't, nah, I would have killed him when I got out. I'm like a bullshit. Sure, yeah. I would have killed him. Like, I definitely would have killed him.

He was in that thing. He was like, yo, I tried to do my, I tried to do my, I tried to do this. He didn't try hard enough, clearly.

He didn't try hard enough. He was a bitch. And the reality is he was an enabler of everything that happened to her. Oh, yeah, that's coming later. Oh,

are we still doing, are we still doing Electroshock therapy? I think, I thought that shit was phased out. I think what it is You know, like, I think her, again, her dad made a call. Just make her experience an argument.

They got some quack doctors in Arkansas. It's not really tax-funded. If you had to go to a fictional prison, would you rather go to Arkham or to the raft? Go to the raft. Raft, for sure. Arkham over the raft? Yes.

Now, I got to tell you, it's some dangerous motherfuckers at the rat. I'd rather go to the negative zone than the raft. Oh, wait, actually, you want to know I'd go to Arkham? Batman puts me and I'm like, dog, I'm going to be out by the end of the week. Everybody escaped. That's why I would rather go to Arkham. They escape from the raft.

Not as much as Arkham. Normally, when they escape out of the raft, multiples of people escape at the same time. Something went wrong at the raft. You go to Arkham. Everybody's out. Everybody gets out of Arkham. Security at Arkham is that gift of that dude just going like that?

Are there baddies in the raft? are there baddies in the rap? Hell yeah Yeah You got typhoid Mary You got You got I mean he's baddies

And Arkham too though Like Poison Ivy Poison Ivy Yeah Although Harley Quinn Although Harley Quinn went to the prison The Super Max prison

Black Gate With Blackgate Where would you rather Okay Let's put Blackgate in there Would you rather be in Arkham Blackgate Or the raft

Oh I'm not built enough For Blackgate Our motherfuckers are like swollen Yeah Arcom's a bad time But Black Gates Just Prison

any fictional prison. I want to go to the one that my man is, was from. Who's our cute bear that we love so much? What are you talking about? Huh?

Y'all, who's the bear? Paddington? Oh, yeah. They had them motherfuckers. They were having fun up in that bitch. I'd go to that person. Yeah.

That's true. That's a nice little. I'll tell you something about Pattington. I kill for him. Like, seriously. Yeah, yeah. Like, Pettton is my man.

Right now, if a lot of people wonder how can you control van. And there are a lot of ways, honestly. Put a dog in a movie. But one way. One way, it's true. One way, right now, if I got DMs from Paddington and Elmo,

and they were like, come up to San Francisco, we got something, I'll go. I'm like, I will join a Paddington slash Elmo. Well, if you, right. All right, Sophie's choice, you got to save one. Oh, my God. Paddington Elmo. Oh, Jesus Christ. At Elmo.

It's Elmo. Oh, it's Paddington easily. Almost kind of annoying. I rock, no, I rock a lot. I'm my favorite. Over Paddington? Yes. You're all right.

We've been like this since I was like three. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's my soul. La la la la. All jokes aside, I'm becoming emotional. I don't know what to do.

Just say, you got to pick one. It got to be baddington. Come on. Paddington versus Elmo. Yeah. Okay, what happens to them? You guys, you are, it's the classic, you are, like, assy.

Like, you can only. You can. only like this is Jag. Like, there's only so much room. This is Jack and Westerfay's Rose. You got to. So one of them has to drown.

Yeah. And you're watching. Atlantic. You're like, there's only a dozen. You can only pull one of them up on the door. Yeah, you can pull one.

I pull both of them up and I jump. Because the world needs patenting much more than they need me. I pull both of them up and I give up the ghost. I can't do it. I can't do it. You got to pick, man. You got to pick.

Because here's the thing, you're the muscle. You're the one who's going to get them to safety. They're all felt. Paddington and Elmo, they're going to be useless. You got to ferry one of them to shore. I can't do it, man. I can't choose. Man, that's why you can't be security.

You freeze. I can't, I can't, I can't choose. I can't choose between them. You're shrinking. Biggest moment. Definitely shrinking in the moment. Like, if, if. Elmo brought me a lot of joy.

I'll fuck with Elmo, but those patterns. To movies make me cry. Like every single time. But bro, I'm gonna be honest with you and this is so hard. I would have a pause. I would have to, I would have to,

I have to choose Elmo. Yay! This is a song, La La La La. Elmo lives. I would have to choose Elmo. Nah, because Elmo, and this is why I know y'all fake

because Elmo, he's made it. He's rich. He's a billionaire. You know what I'm saying? He's beating with a rock. I don't think he's still got. Paddinton is. one of the most highly decorated

actors of our channels. Like, Pattington is one of the biggest movie stars on the planet. Pattington might be bigger than Elmo at this point. Bigger than Elmo? I don't know about that. No, bro. Patenton was out in Peru.

You know what I mean? Like, it's different. Patenton might be bigger to home. I think that... Bratinton might be bigger than Elmo right. Elmo. He's a guy. Michael Jordan versus messy situation.

Don. Bro. That nigga Patton is born, dog. Yeah. More proud or athlete. Do you get my... Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, Patton's for the people, man.

Paddington's out there all over the world. Yeah. I will say this. That badinton shit made $282 million dollars coming back. Here's the thing, guys, Paddington did put me on a marmalade. Marmalade is good as fun. Marmalade's great.

I've never had marmalade. I saw the movie. I'm like, damn, this shit can't be that good. Fucking Paddington's going crazy. And then I had Marmalade for the first time I was like, you ever try to make it yourself? What does it taste like? Wait, you've never had marmalade.

I never had marmalade. I never had to squeeze the oranges really hard. You got to get pectin. You got to get the pectin. You got to get the pectin. Here's the thing. I'm not, it seems very complicated. It's an elite dessert. It's not, I mean, it's not that complicated.

It just takes a while because you got to, like, boil out all the liquid and stuff to get it, like, real jammy and stuff. And really, like, if you want pulp in there, right, you got, like add some of that to get that pectin. Also, I don't like those super sugary marmalade. I like something that's sugary, but you still get the taste. We're going to bring some marmaly for, for ve. I have it. I'll eat it. I'll get some bread.

Yeah, man. Some butter and some marmalet. I'm feeling very vulnerable right now, just to be honest with you with this whole Panetton. What we need to do, what would the draft be with Paddington and Elmo? What are they? What characters? Lovable cutest characters? A lovable character draft?

A team lovable draft. You got Elmo, you got Snoopy, you got Paddington. Awesome. You got, you got a lovable. But do we like characterize it like Muppet, dog? Is it an animal? Muppie's a dog. Well, Pattington is a bear.

A bear. But he's also, but he's animated. Animated. What we do? We got poo bear. Yeah. as well. Love myself a poo, I love. Tigger. The question is, this is the

question. If you're doing a lovable character's draft, who you draft first, poo or Tigger? It's Tigger. It's Tigger. No, it's Piglet. I don't fuck with EGler. I'm a E.O. I'm a Borg. I'm a E.R. Yeah. I'm with Eeyore.

I would kill for you. Nobody mess. I fuck with all. No, fuck the rabbit. I fuck with all. Actually, I get, the rabbit's right. What? What? What? What? You're fucking You're not having too much. You're the feds, bro. You get a fucking out of here, man.

Typical white man behavior. You know what's funny? Invading his guy. Stealing his shit. Can I be honest with you? You know what? I never thought about it. You are old Christopher Robin looking niggins.

Never thought about it, bro. You are... I'm keeping on logs. You are the type of... So when I'm 50? You are the type of guy that would have a cartoon bear living with you and helping him out.

And the whole not. So when I'm 45, I become Ewan McGregor, and who's just a menace in my life. You are. You are. What's the thousand acre wood? What's the 100 acre wood? Of course you would know what it's called. You know what we could do?

You know what we could also do? We can also do a draft of white boys that take care of cartoon pets. Shaggy's going. James got to go number one. Charlie Brown's up there. Charlie Brown. Garfield's Dave. John, John.

Well, that's John is from the Penguins. No, no, no, John's from Garfew. Wait, who are the, who are the, the penguins? I called them the penguins. Who are the, uh, the peanuts? The chipmunks. The chipmunks. That's Dave.

That's Dave. Oh, I would have to build. You are all of them niggas combined. Yeah. You are, Dave, Bob. I'm just like, oh no, whenever they do something wrong. Yeah. Because if I'm in, well, man.

All right, right. Because if, once again, if I ever come home and it's talking chipmunks in my crib, we go into the black church. But I could see you. You don't make billions of dollars making them sing? Fuck, no. Oh, whoa, whoa, you are such a liar. If I have three singing fucking chipmunks, bro.

That Christmas album is like diamond at this point. No, here's the thing. The chipmunks, Dave wasn't really managing them right. I'm Joe Jackson. I'm like, we hit the check on. Okay. You're going to beat the fucking. You're putting them in red traps.

Let's slow down. I want greatness for it. Galamma. Galemma. Come on. Alvin's about to. Bro, if we're going to be real? Wow.

Jesus. Alvin never, the problem is the reason Dave always had to yell at Alvin because he was the most talented, but he was always fucking around. Yeah, no. He was to lock the fucking. You didn't have anger issues. Alvin made him angry and that was the issue.

So let me, if you are, you know what we should do for Halloween? We should be the kid. We should be. And I'm Dave. Simon. So you got to have a sweater with like an A and then a. That's the good.

That's funny. That's a good costume, bro. Best footer. We would get ran off. And then, and then, um, the racial dynamics on that is crazy. We would be not a crazy look. We'd be on all over TikTok.

We'd really want to trigger people. Alvin Simon and Theodore. Oh, my God. I'll do it. And then, no, and every time you talk on the mic, you have that high pitch filter on you. Yeah. Oh, my goodness.

Bankwood's good. That's great. It's good. All right. Agatha. Midnight Manifest? Oh, we don't do a midnight manifest for the second one. But I could give them for this episode.

Once again, we have a breather episode. We're focusing on Billy. We see essentially how after the events of Wanda Vision, Kaplan died, but our Billy Maximoff goes into his body, and we see essentially why he's so basically obsessed with Agatha and him trying to come to terms with, am I Billy, am I William, Who way am I?

And then by episodes end, we see that now Agatha and Billy are working together again to get to the end of the Witch's Road because Billy wants to find out where Tommy is. Now, my first question of y'all is, I know the comic book version of this. I was confused

because Agatha makes it seem like Billy does some type of forbidden magic, which gets him in that body. Tommy's not a magician, but Billy thinks he's still out there. So how does he... Like, do you get what I'm saying?

There's still a lot of questions. Well, so there could be a situation to where is this. If Tommy's soul is displaced somewhere, if he's in the ether of something, perhaps Billy will do the incantation or the witchy work magic. Oh, he's going to do the forbidden spell that he didn't know he was doing to get his brother back because it was second nature with him because he is a witchy creature. A witchy creature? a witchy creature. I guess I was not a creature. He's just a witch. Warlock. Warlock witch creature,

which. I really enjoyed this fucking episode of the show. This wasn't the pluck. This was a plucky episode, bro. It was plucky, but it had enough. Let me tell you what the, you're right, by the way. Let me tell you, let me tell you what the antidote to pluck is. Danger. Yes.

Danger is the antidote to pluck, right? Or it's the balance. Right. Danger is the antidote to pluck When there's just a plucky kid fucking complaining And doing all of that stuff I don't like it

But like when the danger I don't know I'm the bar mitzvah After they got past that That was a little too plucky That was plucky That was plucky That once they got out of my

It was a big moment I'll be honest with you And And I just have to say this This is a really good episode of Agatha Yeah

The best episode of Agatha No I'm like locked in now After this Agatha Was barely in it Well so can I hear Hold on Hold on

Hold on The best part It's a good episode, but the best part of it is with, yeah. Exactly. No, no, go say what you're saying to me. Yeah, no, the best part of the episode is that comes to her and Billy. Between her and Billy and she's like, oh my God. But she's, Captain Hahn is doing a thing, man.

Dude, she, this was the best. Just like, completely unsurious. You're looking for your brother? Toby, Tommy. That's what I said. That's what I said. Like, just having, like, a blast. Why should Agatha know the fucking name of this kid?

I'm just like, Billy, back the fuck up. Y'all were, y'all were alive for like a day. Bro, she's so snarky, so smarmy. Like, oh, you're looking for you, mommy? Like, dog. And it's, like, she'll immediately become, because, like, again, him being the protagonist of just this one episode, reframing her immediately coming out of the muck,

knowing fully who he is now, finally. Like, mask off for both people involved. Now she'll be this cackling, mustache twirling villain that we know. Literally. Yeah, no, literally. she's having so much fun and nailing this characterization and Billy's like

he knows he can kind of hold his own with her but he's still not 100% and I think like this like he's standing on his tippy toes next to her magic wise wanting to try to like make sure that he has an upper hand and they still got to like have this uneasy alliance that is like really compelling

and their chemistry is actually incredible this episode was funny This episode was like scary. It had some, the, the accident at the beginning of it and watching those parents go through that. Evan Peter shout out. Like Ralph Bonner in. Can there's a really good episode of television? Can I ask you guys this?

So can I ask you guys this? So for all these weeks, we've been kind of talking about how Agatha exists as a show that's not necessarily tied as much to the MCU. And I thought, is it weird that to me the most successful? episode, which to me is this episode, to me was interesting because it was connecting back to Wanda Vision. So, like, that's what I was saying. That is the thing where I was just like, oh, this is what I've been waiting for.

Like, watching Billy have to figure out what is magic, what happened in Westview? What is, what does it mean to be in a new body? What is my connection to Agatha and all this stuff? I was like, this is kind of what I've been waiting. Like, is that a, is that a, no, no. And that's what I've been saying. And by the way, I want to clarify something for the audience. Mm-hmm.

When I'm talking about the bigger picture of the. the MCU or whatever. I'm just talking about answering questions that were seemingly fundamental questions, okay? That's all I'm talking about. A show can create its own questions and then answer them, right? Like, that's what it's supposed to do, right?

But when you are in a world and big questions are asked at the beginning of lore for characters, when we're talking about Wanda and her kids, Westview, there are a lot of big questions out there that we still don't know the answers too. We didn't know if these kids were fucking real. Like, it,

multiverse of madness did not really answer that question. We didn't know how, why they were real. We didn't know how their creation came about. Where she was trying to find them from? We didn't know any of that stuff. So what I'm saying is, if we're going to tap back into that world, I don't think it's unfair to ask the show to answer some of those questions that were posed in other Marvel things before. So, to be fair, to me, those are the most.

most fascinating questions because it's like it goes back to story which is well is the question who is the teen that interesting not really the question is why is why is the team why is the team what happened to my parents like do i have a soul and my one my two souls in one body i'm like all of that stuff is way more interesting than being like who is this boy and also coming from the like twisted logic that agatha gives him where he's just like don't feel bad about what you did. You were innovative. You were a good witch.

It makes you one. You took this like husk of a vessel that was empty and you used it. And like she's already trying to like coerce him into like thinking like that they're on the same side or like think the same way to not make him feel shame for wanting to do these seemingly evil things. This is the TV show. Yeah. The like the TV show it we've had the witch's road. We've seen what witching is. does to people. We've seen that witchiness can be bad, but we also see that it can be people's

life's work. We've seen different versions of witches, but the show is essentially asking questions about the nature of being a witch. What does it mean? Does it naturally make you bad? Team, Tommy, Billy, excuse me, Billy Wicken is hoping that it doesn't, not sure about it. Agatha is fighting her nature. She's at war with her nature. We've seen the good part of her and we've seen her kind of descendant to it. And it seems the more he finds himself, the more she finds herself, which is the witch that she's always been just fucking over people. That, to your point, is interesting. I watch the whole show. I've been watching Agatha and I've been enjoying Agatha. But this episode, I watched Agatha and I was like, huh, they're doing something. And it's that great thing because

this is kind of, it feels odd to me now, but like, this is kind of the first, like, really good clicking and intermingling of former MCU properties

with each other. Like, even though it's a direct correlation to Wanda Vision and to a slightly different way, multiverse of madness, like, this is kind of the secret sauce

that makes the MCU really good. Yeah. Is when we had something prior that we were like, oh, so that's what happened to Billy and Tommy. It also.

Like, his brother is just like out in the ether somewhere. and he's trying to find him from like all these years ago. Like that's that's kind of like amazing. That's what we had back in the good old days of the MCU. It makes Multiverse a Maness really funny because if Wanda would have just waited like five minutes. Yes, she would have found.

Oh, that's my son right there. Oh, sir, what's that? Also, does everybody know that Juan is dead? I assume so. Is she, well, they say it. They say it and I'm just like, wait, does everybody know what happened in multivisamett? Well, with Catherine Hahn, like in the first... In the first episode of Agatha, she mentions Wanda's death and then legitimately wakes her eye.

I find it funny they're still using that same excuse from Iron Man where it's like, it was a training exercise. Gone wrong. Gone wrong. Westview was a training exercise gone wrong. I think it's pretty silly. I do think everybody knows that Wanda's did. I mean, he's got the, he was riding the list, right? Wanda gone, vision, dismantled.

and Tommy, question mark. I'm not, I'm not going to hold, y'all. If my dad was the vision, I'd have way more questions. Like,

if I'm Billy, I'm just like, yeah, what's my, I'm just like, my dad was one of the most powerful beings and an android.

That would be the question. Yeah, the being, powerful beings is like, secondary. My question would be like, can my dad produce a nut? I mean,

I'm going to be honest. How does that work? I have a headcan and how I think it would work. Give it to me. Here's a thing. Couldn't Wanda just give my man Vision a penis and spiritual, magical semen? It's fair.

Could Vision make his own penis? He has the mindstone. He could make his own penis. But here's the thing. What I'm thinking is, like, he can't make the organic matter that would need to make the kids. Could you store said organic matter inside of?

Okay. What can the Mindstone not do? Because the Mindstone seems like it could give Wanda her powers. So essentially, if Wanda got her powers from the Mindstone, She could get her kids from the mindstone From When gives a penis Wait wait

Wait wait Hold on Hold on Are the kids The penis himself Are the mindstone The actual father Yeah yeah

Yeah Cut out the penis middle man Make the mindstone The dad You could Yeah But the mindstone Okay

Vision doesn't have The Mindstone anymore So when Vision comes back Will the kids be like And the mindstone is destroyed I think we're thinking

So So with No I think we're thinking About First of all First of all You know what I think we're doing

your job that's what I'm saying we're doing we're doing it that's what I think what we're doing is your job you're doing you're supposed to have the questions you're supposed to have the answers that's what I'm saying we're supposed to ask you how does vision create sperm

and you're supposed to give us a dissertation about where the genetic material came I don't think it does I think that Wanda created those children because her husband is vision or she envisioned that kind of relationship like that he's just the dad Her envision were fucking. He's just, they had sex.

I'm sure. Yeah. But I don't think he has the... With the mechanics of it are. Exactly, right? I don't think he has the predetermination. Can you become emotionally pregnant? Can you get pregnant with love?

When you are the most powerful magic user, maybe. And that's enough to have two children who literally do not actually exist. So let me ask you a question then. Do you have to give visions permission and consent before you make kids on his behalf? I think... Before, before you... Before you just create kids. Because I'm saying, before you make kids and just say, I'm a daddy, do you have to, you know what I'm saying?

If you're making the kids and then I got it now, what you mean? I got to give up. Also, to be fair, to be fair, to be fair, I give up my chest. Vision did not consent to being in several sitcoms that he did not consent to being in the hex. He wasn't even a lot. He wasn't even alive. This is why Vision turned white and flew away. Vision was going through.

Vision was like, wait a second. It was crazy too. He's in the turtle neck and chain right before? I'm a dad. And I'm glad that he turned white. Yeah. Because if he'd have turned white. Yeah, man.

Can you imagine Black Vision? Right? Like, but it would be way funnier because can you imagine Black Vision waking up? He's like, who do you want to get to my house? Oh, that's yours? He eats some cinnamon toast crunch. Wait, but here's a thing.

That's not mine. Because Vision, I guess, is white because he has a white voice. Do you think he would have felt the way if Billy and Tommy were black? That would be interesting. Yeah. That'll be interesting. Obviously, they have the kids in Wanda Vision, and we see them with the kids and all of that stuff. Right.

But just let you know, it's not too much longer after the kids are around. The Vision goes too much for me. Okay. We fights with himself. Fries with himself. Okay, and then he leaves. The struggles of fatherhood. The struggles of fatherhood.

I don't know. If I'm doing Vision Quest, Disney Plus pitching you on this. Go for it. I think Billy and Tommy should be looking for their dad. Should be looking for their dad. and when they find Vision and open the door, he got a whole new robot family. He got little bit.

That actually would be pretty great. He got Vision and Junior. And it'd be even better if like, because there's a Westview and Eastview. Yeah, yeah. You do it all. Like, he didn't even move that far away. Oh, he got to.

He got too many. What's actually interesting you say that out of town. They get to Vision and Vision is at like a flag football game for one of his sons. Come on. And it looks just like in Vision. Well, no, just because there is like one of the Young Avengers is like a little team vision. Yeah, Tomkin did a whole.

whole run where there's like little Vision's Vision puppy. Here's the thing. If I'm Billy and Tommy, do you imagine Billy just go as full-skullet wish on a Vision family? No, I feel like, I feel like Billy and Tommy be like, yo, you know, things happen, you thought we were all dead. You know what I'm saying? So you moved on.

It is tough, you know what I mean? But at the end of day, that's my half-brother, half-sister, we love y'all, you know? Question about Tommy. He can inherit, he can get any, you can make anybody you want for him, right? Oh, God. Like, who will we want to see?

Tommy could be Soldier Boy, he could get the wrong A train, A train could come in Why not? Why not have a black? Why not have them? Why not? They're going, we're trying to have diversity. Why not? We're trying to have diversity?

Would you make the athletic guy, the speed guy, the black guy? Are you following? Yes. Catch up, Jomi, come on. I got to speed up. He runs, he runs fast. So let's get somebody. I will say, I feel like they didn't really think about this

because how old were Billy in town? They were kids. Like 10? 12? Yeah. No. So this is a 10 year old now in like a 16, 17 year old's body? Yeah.

A little weird. I mean, the empty vessel. Weird. He was a wandering spirit. Let me tell you something. He was his bar mitzvah, right, until he's 13. That motherfucker don't look 13. He looked like he's in his 20s.

So he's 16 now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's not 13, don't. Well, he's a game. I mean, at his bar mitzvah, he would have been. That's not 13. Even though I was watching that shit,

I'm like, like, that's no 13 year old. You don't look 13. I want to say something real quick to the tribe and the community, man. Shout out to the bar mitzvahs. If y'all never been to a bar mitzvahs. It's great.

It's a blast. It's fucking nuts. Tell you something, I never, maybe we talked about this. Have we talked about my crisis of character with the bar mitzvils when I was 13? When you were 13?

Is this when you wanted a bar mitzvah? I did. Well, what happened was, you know, I lied my classmates. Jewish kids and they're 13 and have a barmissifah.

So I'm going to these barmishvah and I'm like, this shit is fucking crazy. Yeah, it's a great part of you. The fuck I'm talking about. I come back home, I turn 13. Dad's like, here's a football.

My nigga, where the motherfucking? Are we written out the Centralplex? Where's the DJ? Like, what's going on, man? Jesus got some work to do.

Because on the other side of the block, they got a, you got out of Kansas. Like on the other side of the block, Van's Keynese would have been great. They're going up. Okay, it's going crazy.

They got a movie theme bar Misfa. They got a Star Wars theme bar Misfa. I'm going to. And then I come back here, happy birthday. He's a football. They got football at school. Okay?

What are we doing? Your dad got you a football as a present? When I was 13 years old, he got me a football. Wow. Yeah. I mean, after that, the present stopped. Oh, really? Yeah, he looked at me at 14 and was like,

I'm too old for that. We'll get a job. 14. Get a job of 14? You looked at me. You looked at me. What are you going to do at 14? It was my birthday.

It was like, this was such a funny conversation. It was like, now I know that there were some kids out there who didn't even get this. But it was my, it was from my dad. It was, it was, it's facts. Yeah, that's all. Do you guys know that, first of all, can we talk about what happened on the Reddit? You can talk about it? You can talk about it.

Do we really? Okay. So we have to talk about it. So we have to talk about what happened on the Reddit. Okay. We have to. First of all, is everybody aware, before we get into the Crypt of the Super Dog, by the way, everybody getting uncomfortable about this is not going to make me do anything but talk about it.

I'm not okay. Are you not aware of what happened on the Reddit? You're aware. You don't know. I'm aware. You know what happened on the Reddit? Okay. So I would like to say thank you to the Reddit real quick.

I would like to say thank you to the Reddit because the Reddit helped me reunite with someone who is almost certainly my. sister. All right, there was a post made on the Reddit by somebody in case you didn't know this. There was a post made by somebody on the Reddit. And they were saying that they thought that they were related to me. This happens to be someone who, after we've all put it together, looks to be a child of my father's. All right, I want to make sure everybody knows. Okay. Okay. I put this on there and it happened in the Midnight Boys lore. Two things I want to come in the Reddit on. Number one, when this post was made, they deleted the post because

they thought that it would cause me harm and bring me trauma. I and my family really appreciate that. And two, when I wanted to explore it, the Reddit itself provided me the, uh, what I needed to go and explore and get in touch with my sister and talk with her and figure it out. And it's not the easiest thing for my family, but I do appreciate that humanity won in that situation. Last thing I'll say, I love my father. I love my father from the top of his head to the bottom of his feet. I know who my father was. I know what my father was capable of a little bit more so now than I did before he passed away. But nothing changes that. It's life. Shit happens. We move on. There's not, you can't have enough family. You can't. And, you know,

know, if this lady whose name I will not say wants to come down and embrace us and everything that we have going on in South Louisiana, we are more than happy to have her do that. I don't think she knows what she's getting herself into. But we're more than happy to have her do it. But I will say this. Of all of this stuff, there's one fucking revelation

that is chief among them all. I did not know my father was a milkman. Oh, I knew I was waiting. I did not know my father was a milkman like that. Was he a confirmed milkman or was this just he was sampling the milk? I think, well. Sampling the milk is crazy. I would imagine.

I would have a taster. Sorry, that was my. I would imagine. I would imagine. I don't know. I doubt this was like a one-time thing. Like, you know what I'm saying? I doubt this was a one-time thing.

So it was like, he had to be, Jomi, I feel a. a little bit different. What? I feel a little bit different. I get it now. Like, I come from a line of Milkman. Whoa! It's not confirmed that you come from a long line of Milkenman. Is one point a line also? Yeah, it's just one line. Well, it's the starting point of a line.

Okay. And so, and so, like, I just was... Are you saying that you're assuming that there's other white family, like half white, half black, whatever? What if he got, like, a whole fucking family? If y'all had the United Nations, you had like a Japanese brother, just be like, Man, you know the colors of Belich Beton ad? And this is the last thing I say, it's like, I will say that I've been getting my ass kicked with this white shit for like the last couple of years.

When I went on Ancestry.com and saw what was on one side of the family. Yeah. And it's a bunch of, you said this before. You said this story. You got to know what it chimed in. You got to do it with it. Come on. I was trying to keep it real with y'all.

And I ruined it? I can't do it around, Steve. Steve is like, I can't do it around. Like, yeah? We're going to give y'all literally five minutes of nerd news and then we gotta go. Okay. Charles. All right, so James Gunn revealed crypto this week.

And let's say it was met with a lot of mixed. Mixed reviews, aggravation. He told a beautiful story about how he adopted a dog over the pandemic. And essentially, while he was writing the script for Superman, he was like, it would be crazy if this dog that I have who was a rescue came from a hoarding situation, had superpowers because he has so many behavioral issues. How do we love him? Did it, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, it influenced the script.

I'm assuming the photo that James Gunn released on social media is of one of the dogs that is going to play crypto. And essentially people were pissed. They're like, that's not really crypto. Crypto's a Labrador. Cryptos this. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, goddamn.

Y'all, here's the thing. This is how I know the in-cells. are fucking mad because they just don't hate women and black people now they're coming after the dogs dogs breeds you know what I'm saying

so van I have to ask you this you've been very critical about James Gunn Superman even though we haven't seen a trailer skeptical skeptical skeptical what are your feelings on crypto is it too corny

hitting the right note how are you thinking I was surprised interesting in what way I was surprised that we're going to crypto in this particular time.

However, it actually helped crystallize my thoughts about the movie. In what way? And they're more positive than they ever will be. I think that what James Gunn is going for, even the picture of crypto, Superman and Crypto sitting there together, it looks very hopeful.

It looks very hopeful. He said he wants Superman to be a Superman that you can hug, and you want to hug that picture. I'm obviously obsessed with dogs. And so it's kind of cheating a little bit, right? Absolutely. But coming from the man who made Guardians 3. So wait, can I ask you if I'm being super cynical,

because I don't hate the crypto reveal. I think I would like to see crypto in a movie. The cynical part of me, though, is I'm like, this is going to be the third time. James Gunn has essentially used this trick, and I think it is a very... Animal trick. Manipulative.

He's done it in Guardian. Honestly, all of the Guardians. He's done it with Baby Group. got to see Baby Rocket. There's always a cute thing. Suicide Squad. Did you forget little Staro? A little cutie?

Right? Am I forgetting? No Starro's, yeah. There was Starro's in there. Yeah, that wasn't he a little, there was a little like Starro Kai? Am I miss remembering that? I don't remember.

Staro was not cute in Suicide Squad. Not the big. Not the big one. I thought there was a mini baby boy. I can't remember. Wait, no, no. I might have been in the comic books. You just fucking intercepted that.

You made that up. No, because there was a juiced thinking of Staro. Where Batman, Batman. Batman has a new Robin and it's a mini star off. Oh, wow. So I forgot. So I get it. It's okay.

Sorry James gone. But does that, does the cuteness thing, is it a trick where we're just like, damn? It's too easy. Because I like crypto. I want to see crypto. But I do feel like it's the Pixar thing where I'm like, you're trying to make me cry. I don't know. It's kind of like a pitcher having, you know, his signature pitch, a knuckleball, a go-to-foreseem fastball.

You know what I mean? It's just like, I know this is going to get these guys out. He's going to swing on this one. Right? So he's literally playing the hits. But you don't get points for a dog. If you put a dog in the movie, if you put a puppy in the movie, I'm allowed it. You know, you gotta do it well, though.

You can't just like. It don't even matter. I've seen some shitty movies with dogs in them and I'm just like this stuff. I respect the Beethoven films, first of all. Beethoven is classic. They were trying to kill Beethoven in that movie. It's crazy. The 50th one?

The fucking doctor was trying to do experiments on Beethoven. You go back and watch him, Beethoven? I mean, not the original. They should have it. Like, the doctor was trying to fucking. I want to see this now. But it was an evil doctor. Honestly, they were mean to Airbud too.

AirBud's my fucking over the dogs. We need to do a dog draft. Movie dogs? No, no, no, just movie TV show dogs. Yeah, Scooby. Scooby, Snoopy, Snoopy going fucking high. Clipper, the big red dog. Benji, the hunted.

Bengee, don't ever fucking hit on. Scrappy is the fucking man. What? No, no. Scrappy dude? The streets. Well, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh.

Scrappy. We're talking about Scrappy Scooby's little friend, his little home. His cousin. Yeah. The annoying motherfucker? The one that could actually

fight and about that action? I can tell y'all not from the hood. Yeah. No, Scrappy's the man. In our dog draft, you would draft. No,

it's too many picks before Scrappy. Exactly. It's not a first round. So, according to Scooby-Pedia. I think Scrappy, like, got the show canceled or something like that. Like,

they had to, like, move all the way away from scrappy. Two Superman, I don't want to over fixate on the crypto of it all. When I saw crypto, I was like, really, first movie we're doing crypto. But it seems like you could say that about anything. First movie we're doing the whole Justice League. That's my first movie we're doing. First movie we're doing, first movie we're doing,

it seems like James Gunn is not leaving any proverbial bullets in the chamber. I'm with it too, because, like, this wouldn't surprise me if we weren't having like seemingly every DC hero under the sun in this movie. And like, okay, well, in some sense, yes, throw it on the pile. And it's also kind of setting a precedent of like, hey, let's have this big extravaganza, like exploding confetti of a showcase for the DC property and IP for this Superman flagship. And then I'll tell you what, no other DC movie needs to have an egregious cameo ever because they'll have done it all in this movie.

I don't think these are egregious, though. Maybe not. And I tend to agree. I think all these people have, like, places in the story, the entire thing. Sure. But this is a Superman movie, right? It's not a Guardian's movie where there's, like, you know, six characters. And I don't think that we'll be losing, like, I don't think James Gunn's going to take his eye off the ball when it comes to making a Superman.

I don't know, man. You got, like, I want to be very clear. I think James Ken can do this. He's done it. But when you got, like, hot. Rock Girl, Guy Gardner, Mr. Terrific, Lois, Lex. There's a lot of people that need the ball. Maybe, like, obviously Superman is a centerpiece.

But, like, if you're going to need the ball. But if she's going to be in a movie, she'll make the movie five minutes. Why sit there and be like, Hot Girl's in a movie? He did this with Suicide Squad, though. He had a bunch of motherfuckers and got rid of him. Not, but, like, we don't care about those guys, though. I mean, I guess we don't care about Hot Girls. So all I'll say is, I think the reason I have faith in James Gunn,

is because, yo, at the end of the day, a lot of these DC directors, they like, well, in the second movie, I'm gonna do this. And when I did it, da, da, da, da, it's just kind of like, hey, yo, let's not worry about the second movie. If you, these are the characters, if he wants to put crypto in his Superman movie,

like, don't wait until Superman, too, because there might not be a Superman too at this point. So I'm just like me. Play with what you got. Yo, come on. I like crypto, y'all. I like crypto too. I like, I like crypto.

I like the idea of crypto. You don't get points for, you know. I draft scrappy over crypto, though. I don't tell not Scrappy over crypto? I just want to see how the how the menace get distributed That's really all about it

Like I can't wait for the Superman movie I'm not a hater like you I think the suit looks fine We have to see what it looked like By the end of the day I'm excited to see I'm excited to see what it looks like I just there's a lot of players on the team

You're gonna play five at a time I gotta see what I don't think we've ever needed A trailer for a movie more than this one Yeah we'll probably get a Super Bowl Look it it It they're doing a lot. And once again, we've talked about this. Maybe building the world around

Superman is better than building a world from Superman. Maybe that's a better way. James Gunn is on a pretty unassailable run. Who's the last damn time he did something bad? I didn't really fuck with a suicide squad movie, but it was quality. I didn't really care for Guardians too. That much. But here's the thing.

Fair enough. None of those movies to me saw. Harpuilary bad movies. Which is the thing where it's like James Gunn hasn't made a bad superhero movies that I of his that I'm like I don't like this as much as the other one but like quality wise yeah yeah no he's a hell of a filmmaker yeah it's incredible filmmaker

that's it for us okay it's over like it's a lot of podcasting we've done a lot Alea is fucking sick of it she's over there going crazy she's like enough enough of this oh Alaya real quick have you seen Caddo Lake I was asked to ask you this by who

have you seen Caddo Lake I was asking you. You were a real fan. Alea, I was asked to ask you if you've seen a movie called Caddo Lake. I haven't, but I will be watching it tonight. Okay, so watch, Alley. Okay, so watch, All right. Our man, that's our movie.

Is there a certain someone in that movie? Is there a certain someone in that movie? Oh, also, yo, shout out to the Midnight Collective. Alea. Did y'all get Alleyazine? I did. I guess the herd. Heard magazine out now, one of the most beautiful cooking magazines you will ever

fucking see. Shout to Leia. Killing it. Lalea. You really care about food. I do, yeah. She's a foodie. She's a big time food. You care about the things that you say you care about and support people's movies. Well, shout out to my boy. I'll support you. Wow. Ooh, yeah. Oh, daddy.

All right. We got to go. Friday, tune in to the new episode of House of R. House of Ar. I'm reading Night of the Seven Kingdoms. Oh, boy. How's it gone? It's good. I'll be honest with you. It's a lot easier follow than some of the other stuff. It seems to be a bit of a straightforward.

It's a straightforward. Hedge Knight, little nigger. Nothing more. Amen. Some of that other stuff. Dunk and egg. Dunk and egg. I'm really enjoying it.

Yesterday, Min Edition, gave you their y'all yelled about it episode. Kerm was in it. Tomorrow, House of Rall will give you their deep dive into the latest episode of the next week. Venom is coming. Our producers are Steve, the architect Alman.

Jonathan, the Midnight Master Ryder. Kerma is on it. Alea O'Brien, sort of, Zanaris. Gotta be supportive. Jomi, a dinner on on social hashtag. Jomi, The Good Witch, additional production from the Wacha himself, Arjuna Ramga Pau.

Chuck, take us out. The Midnight Boys love dogs. We cannot lie. But RIP at Paddington and Elmo, wish you didn't have to die. What's going on, buddy? I got that song in my head. What song in your?

Define gravity? That's a catchy one. It's the only song. It's like a podcast. Okay. It's catchy? Define gravity? From Wicked?

It's wait, wait, wait, wait. That's the gravity, the gravity song. That's the Wicked song. And it still sucks. Wow. Y'all fuck with Wicked? No, really, but my sister was big into... All right.

It's time to start.