The Ringer-Verse - Is ‘The Penguin’ Still Good? | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

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Into the Ringiverse This is of course The Ringers next to podcast Feed for all things fandom We are Joe me to explainer at dinner on You've got questions We're answers

We are Steve the architect Alman The builder and tinker of things We are Oh man Van He had the receding resurgent

Hairline Together we have The Midnight Collective With us today In full The original Midnight Collective We've been Getting different versions

Of the Midnight Collective The Rotating cast We had Isaiah in here. Yeah. Overserved Isaiah. All right. Who else was the guy

that was Arjuna's place for a time? Neal. Real deal, Neil. Real deal. Real Neil. Real Neil.

Real Neil. Real Neil. Real Neil O'Brien, Zanaris. Arjuna, DeWatcher, Ramca Pal and Jonathan

Black. I was about to do it bad, bro. Wow. But I can't. It's good you didn't. Jonathan, chocolate man,

Kermah, how's that sound? You know, I don't give a fuck. Your heart's not. Well, no, I can tell it. It's not. I wanted to say something else, man.

Oh, okay. But on, we have a... On something bad. Yeah, it wasn't bad. I mean, I don't might as well say it. We can cut it if it's really bad. I don't think it's bad at all. And say it.

Why are you looking at me? What you mean? Why are you looking like we need your permission? I was about to say John did Libreia tarpitz. Hey, Hey, yo, that's all me. That's a lot. That is.

Okay, bleep it. No, you got a bleep it. It's not like, it's not a bad word. That's insane. It's not a shit. Tarpitz is crazy Yeah HR got to see me bro

HR got to see me man And we are The Midnight boys Boom Kerm I want to say something I hope it's sorry You guys have to remember the rule About apologies

No I don't subscribe to this rule Once you apologize We keep it pushing It's once anybody apologizes I don't Okay, no.

But here's the thing, though, you have to apologize within five minutes. Okay. Uh-huh. So if you apologize within five minutes, it's over. What about changed behavior afterwards? Yeah, what about commitment to change? Nah, that doesn't. Also, what happens if a person doesn't accept the apology?

It's just like, yeah, we still. But see, current, here's the thing. You have to accept apologies. No, you do not. Because you definitely don't. Not forgiving is a way to, like, separation and not being, you know what? So, for example,

this is more toxic than the waste that Joker fell in. Yes. This is tough. The tar? Yeah, this is going to be a long episode. I'm going to ask you a question. Right. Have you ever been to the LeBriot Tar Pits before?

Yeah, that's great. A while ago, yeah. Do you ever think, okay, because they have animals in there, right? Yes. That's not funny? Well, no. Well, you're staunchly anti-Zoo. That's not funny to put the animals in there.

to like relive why do we treat animals like this? To relive the horror of the animal's life when they got like stuck in the tar? I mean, they're in the tar and it's like, oh my God, it's a woolly mammoth. It's like all of this stuff. So you think bringing them to the scene of that

horrible thing? But what I'm saying is, would there ever be, what if there was a guy, like a actual man and his family that fell into some quicksand? Yes. And we're like, oh my God, this is the quicksand monument. and then we put this guy, Neil Slumley.

And his whole family the Slumley family who fell into Quicksand 1905. Right. QuickSand as a thing is no longer a thing, but it used to be a big thing. Yeah, in movies and stuff.

Right. So what if we just put him and his whole family? Neil Slumley and the Shlumley and the Shulmlee and all of his descendants. And his descendants didn't fall into the Quicksand. Sure, yeah. So, but they would be triggered by this. What if we just put a,

statue of them in the quicksand in there and like ha ha Shumley family you guys fell in a quicks well we wouldn't do that right because you know like for example the Donner Pass right like where the Donner family went yeah yeah yeah we wouldn't erect a moro but we would call it the slumly you know quicksand field okay it's one thing to say hey the Donner Pass because then it's like that's a warning yes but what if when you drove the Donner Pass there was like a fucking mannequins of the Donners and all of the stuff that they

went through because they started eating each other and shit, right? That's correct? Maybe it's the biggest warning. A kid like chowling down on somebody's fucking femur or something. What if they did? That's not right. So then why will we do that to the woolly mammoth and to the Sabreuth tiger and to all of the things in the Jonathan and

Kerman Memorial tarpits? I think you you might be projecting a bit of trauma onto animals that they might not know who also been extinct for millions of years. That doesn't matter that doesn't mean that their memories don't live on. Do you care about extinct animals? I'll tell you right now.

Not as much as living animals. I'll say that. It's a priority. Make sure that the rest don't become extinct. So then... Yeah. I care about polar bears a little bit more than woolly mammoths. An animal goes extinct and you just don't care anymore.

No, no, no, no. If an animal goes extinct in my lifetime, absolutely. Fuck them, no, no, no. I didn't say that. Fuck them. Did not say that. That's basically what you said. No, no, didn't say that.

Animal goes extinct, fuck them. Dodoberg. Fuck you. You know what I mean? I mean, that was hundreds of years ago. Fuck them. Fuck the dodo. Fuck the dodo, bro.

Say it. Man, speaking of flightless birds, the penguin. Yes. Thank you so very much, Joanie. But why are we move on, though? You guys are scared of the conversation. I've been railing against the millennials. The Gen Z years all morning.

Yeah, no, we noticed that you have your Congress outfit on right now. I've been railing against them all morning. You're scared of the conversation. Have the conversation. It's basically a filibuster at this point. It's not. No, it's not. I was asking a question.

Senator, can I be honest with you? I'll tell you something about Kerm. What is going on? Kerm is going to go further than you guys. Okay. I hope so. Because he is willing to have the conversation. Okay.

Okay. I destroyed Kerm and Lelaide before you guys. It's crazy how I swacked him. Arjuna was uncomfortable. Right. Arjuna was uncomfortable because he knows I'm with them. Right. I'm trying to big them up.

And Arjuna's like, like, hey, stop giving them to pay. keys of the kingdom. Anyway, all right, whatever. We can move on. It's nice to know this stuff. I'll tell you straight up, I would rather talk about the animals than talk about anything else. Clearly.

Do we love animals on this podcast? Yes. Yes, this is an animal-friendly podcast. Absolutely. Kerm, you love animals? Sure. No, that's the wrong answer. It's not a good answer.

What's your favorite animal, Kerm? An elephant. That's good. Okay. That's the best animal. That's the best animal. If you had the power rank animals, elephants would be at the top.

Why? Curm, who's your least favorite animal? Least favorite animal. I don't fuck with mosquitoes. Do we count them? I think those are insects. Insects? I don't know.

The insect is definitely an animal. Curm, cooking right now. Any scary fish that I see in, like, the deepest depths of the ocean. Follows on social. Yeah. Instagram's on social. Yeah.

Instagram. Hey, we're on 40K on IG. Shout out to you guys, but only 29.9. On TikTok. Rank up those follows. Let's go. What do we need to do on TikTok?

We're doing, actually, Joe and Mal interview Jack Schaefer, the creator of Wanavit. Or not creator of Xxal Long and the writer, Wanavision. And those clips are going nuts over there on TikTok. So you got to keep running them numbers. I saw a TikTok video with this guy and he said, don't open your Oreos like this. He had a pack of Oreos.

And he cut the Oreo pack in half. And he said, don't open your Orioles like this. This is bad. Uh-huh. And then he said, the way you should open your Oreos is he then took the flap, the resellable thing. Yeah. And he's like, open it like this.

Yes. And I was so transfixed by the absurdity of the video that I probably watched it like four times. Yeah. Just because of the simple nature of just like, this is how you open a packet of Oreos. These are the types of videos that we should be doing on TikTok. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

I would like to do a series on TikTok, Midnight Boys, How to Eat a Hamburger. Okay. And- How to use a Ziploc bag. How to tie your shoes How to tie your shoes Midnight Boys How to run in a straight line Yeah

Midnight boys What to do If you fall into Quicksame Mm-hmm Okay Midnight Boys Like the whole deal Like midnight boys

Like these are the things That we should be doing To get people on TikTok Because TikTok is bullshit So let's just playing to it Yeah Yeah See we put our stuff

Should we go full brain rot No this is good Should we on our own Official clips Like have our clips Next to like Power Welding Subway Surfers

Yeah or Laves videos, something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody just like making a knife and it's us talking. That's good. That's good. I'll write that down. We're on YouTube. Like, comments, subscribe, share, and watch every midnight boys and house of R on YouTube.com backslash at

Riggerverse. You guys got to watch on YouTube and you got a like, you got a comment, you got share. I've been watching a lot of YouTube videos recently. I've been watching a lot of different videos on YouTube. Your algor is nuts. Okay, let's look at my algorithm too.

What's going on this pot? I mean, we were just looking at some of the greatest. I apologize to everyone in advance. So that means that I get to do whatever. The second. This is literally apologized. Yeah, that's the rule. You have to apologize five minutes before or after you do the bad thing.

Yeah. We have to be forgiving. And that's very important. I've already apologized. We also have to commit to better behavior as well. Okay. So this is why I've been watching. No, mind.

Why black politicians ignore black voters. Garrison Hayes, great YouTuber. Okay. Privileged team thinks she can get away with murder. What? The case of McKinsey. Oh, okay. This is like a murder mystery.

Sam Harris actually confronts Ben Shapiro. Okay. Then we got the Lost Kings of House Targaryen. Okay. This is my guy. A lot of A-Gon's, I'm sure. Uh-huh. Charles Hamilton getting punched by a girl.

Remember that? Joy. You guys remember what Charles Hamilton got punched by Brianna-Latrice? Yeah. So what I'm saying is, you guys, That's my algorithm. Jomi, what's in your algorithm? We want to be in your algorithm.

All of any. We want to be nasty. We want to know what's in your algorithm. Alea, what's in your algorithm? What did he say? I just said, this is about to get nasty. Like, what are we doing? I feel like this is a game where we're just playing.

You asked Jomey and he went to specifically talk about Jomey. I'm just saying like, are we just checking algorithms into some crazy shit pops up? Probably. What is this segment? Okay, you know, I apologize. Once again. Great. Now it's over.

I'll tell you. Reminders. Tuesday. Okay, what's in your algorithm? Power Rangers. I was watching Power Rangers this morning. It was at the gym. It was fantastic.

You were watching it. You were watching a show of the Power Rangers? Power Rangers Mystic Force. Mystic Force. Yeah. Interesting. I don't know that. What happens there?

Oh, man, they got magical powers. It's a whole thing. We don't have time again. It's awesome. You were watching. Okay, great. That's good. Steve, algorithm?

It's like, oh, okay. I got higher learning on here. All right, that's enough. Misery. Your family. You're a company guy You're pandering It's right here

You got to play the drums No no no I don't want to do it anymore I don't want to do it Give me the drums please Play the drums By the way Just let everybody go

We're bringing transgressions back The podcast really started To go off the rails When we did not have transgressions It really kept us in line Tuesday house of our We'll be giving you Their season catch-up

On Penguin Later this week Blood and Mash returns as well Mid-Vimber is upon us with coverage of Arcane Season 2 every Saturday of this month. How's that going, guys? So we're covering the first three episodes of season 2 on Saturday.

And I mean, I got two words for you. Fai. Caitlin, Chase, Jinks, must see TV. It's true. It's great. It's awesome. Hey, Charles, come on back. Clearly, he misses you.

I got to have Charles. By the way, is this like, this is like basically you're on a Mint Edition episode. I got to have Charles. I got a. have Charles. Got to have the foil. Gotta have Charles.

Right? It's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, okay, got to have Charles. You ever see that meme where, like, there's all of the stalls open? We got to get to the show. And, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it stands right next to the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, like, look at this. Aggressively friendly.

Here you come. Um, today's show, we're giving you our reactions to the pin ultimate episode. episode of the Penguin. Weird. Like, we're really into the penultimate episode of the Penguins. Penguin, taking fucking chances as a show.

I like it. What the fuck shit stacks. All right. Spoiler warning. All Batman. All DC. Booster Gold. Creature Commandos.

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Save at Whole Foods Market. Spoil it. Spoil it. We're getting ready to talk about the penguin. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. To begin our reactions, we have to give you the Midnight Menifest. No one can really do that except for Chuck,

but he's not here to the chagrin of everyone. So Jomi has to do it. Here. Let's be hopeful that Jomi can do it competently. And let's take it away. All right, guys. This is episode seven of the penguin. It's called Top Hat, directed by Kevin Bray, written by Vladimir Seckoff. Start with the flashback.

Oz is with his mom and his brothers. She's busy, so she sends them out to go play. They go give money. They go give someone to a gangster who gives them the money, and they go to play a flashlight tag. but Oz doesn't like the way his brothers are playing, so he locks him in the sewers and then goes home. And it starts to rain.

And his mom's like, hey, where are your brothers? It's like, nah, it's cool. I'm going to stay with you. And we go and cuddle, and then they drown. And he's kind of cool with that. We get... Why, y'all, look, we're doing this. Go for it.

Focus on Maniface. I'm focused on Maniface. Y'all are the ones just trying. I'm not, I didn't do anything. Lock in. I was locked in. See, I'm telling you right now. I see it right now.

This is split. We're back. in the present. Okay. Oz gets back home. Vic is knocked out. His mom is gone. He tells Vic, hey, Sal's pulling up.

I need an army. Sal pulls up. Roughs him up a little bit. We go to Sophia. She's with Oz's mom. Oz's mom actually is not really what the fuck shit. And it's giving it back to Sophia. She does have an episode, though, of her dementia.

And that clues in Sophia to what's going on. We go back to Oz. And they go back to their layer with Sal. So I was like, actually, all this is mine now. We've taken this whole. thing. Eh, Oz don't really play like that. They get into it.

Sal dies of a heart attack before Oz can kill him. That's cool, though, because Oz's like, hey, I win, boom, boom. Guys, we're going to go to war right now. We go back to Sophia. It turns out that Gia saw something she wasn't supposed to see. And so Sophia has to go back to Gia and be like, yo, hey, man, what did you see, all this? It turns out that not only did Gia see Sophia have the masking her bag, she also started harming herself because of what she saw.

Sophia realizes she's just like her father. That's not going to slide, right? Oz calls Sophia, calls her the jig is up. Give me my mom. You get the product. Sophia doesn't like that. She sends a car to Oz's lair. Turns out it's not his mom.

It's a bomb, which explodes and leaves a hole the size of like three football fields in Gotham. Not the first time Gotha been blown up on film, clearly. And Sophia now has Oz's mom. in the club they used to go to when they were children and now we get to see what happens next week and that has been your midnight manifest for episode 7 of the penguin.

Kerm you watched the episode, what did you think? Oh, wow. I thought it was really great penultimate episode kind of setting us up for a crazy finale. I had a good time. What do we want from a penultimate episode?

What do we want from a penultimate episode normally? Let's get into that. Before we specifically talk about this, episode of the Penguin. Normally a pen ultimate episode has to do what for you guys, instead of what. It's got to put the... Got to put the... Pinup it. It's got to set the stakes correctly, right? Because we want to go into episode eight,

knowing that everything is on the line. This is for all the marbles. And I think this episode did exactly what I had to do. And it put everybody like in play, Sophia, Oz, Vic, let us know that everything that happens next week is for all the whole Kincabuttal. And so I think the episode did a great job in that. It's interesting. I agree with everything that you said,

but in a weird way, that's kind of the opposite about how every episode in this show has operated because Oz is in his element when he renegotiates and changes his mind and changes things at the drop of a hat, every single episode. And somehow it works.

Drop of a top hat. But I don't think that might be the reason why a season finale could be successful. A penultimate is like, okay, this is the ultimate, how is he going to get out of this one? And I think now all of the leverage that's kind of been laid against Oz has probably come to the fold now. Like, it's the only thing that he really cares about. I just noticed something. Do you know why I'm miserable without Charles? Why? Why is that?

I just realized something. And it's, you guys, as, there's a wave of sorrow that has just washed over me. Oh, no. When you said drop of a top hat. I realize something that, like, will forever change things. You guys are plucky.

Oh, no. For some reason. For some reason since Charles has been here. Oh, my God. And I've had him. I haven't really ever noticed it before. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

But you two, watching the Power Rangers, top hat situation, a 17-hour midnight manifest where every single plot point is covered. It's a recap. Intricate episode. All of those. And then look at the, look at how happy you two are. You guys are plucky.

You guys have a pluck that is only rivaled by the most annoying Star Wars youngster. A Princess Leia pluck, young Leah. Perhaps a skeleton key coming soon. Oh, my Lord, Jesus Christ. Lock in for that. I never noticed it before. But that's the thing. Do you guys understand that that you guys are plucky?

It's kind of hard to be plucky when you're 28. That's not true motherfucker Lucky is a state of mind It's a lifestyle This guy's damn near 40 Yeah He's one of the pluckiest people

That I've ever known It's true Good observations about the show though Yeah no we try No but I think Oz is gonna like Again The show has been consistent In the way that it establishes stakes

And what we think for a show Like this would be It's the ultimate How's he gonna get out of this one But this has been par for the course every time. I think it's just, okay, now the family's involved. Yeah, I think, I mean, we're going to get to

Sophia's whole thing in a second, but I think the important thing is she blows up the Bliss operation. That does not matter anymore. It's about get back now. By the way, I don't know. How long did they have that operation? About like three days.

That's a question. It's not long. Does Oz care that he killed his brothers? No. No. How do we know? Because he, Sadden watched Fred Astaire with his mom.

No, no, no, no, no, no. That's different. He didn't know that they were dying. That's fair. He didn't know that they were dying. He did not know that they were dying. When that was happening, he had locked them in there. I don't know if he knew that that was an overflow tunnel that they were in.

Maybe. Maybe. To me, one of the best things about this episode is whether you read Oz's situation with his brothers as a murder or an accident. And I'll tell you why. Okay. Okay. This episode kind of about making a monster.

Sophia is going to the edge. Yeah. But she keeps pulling herself back. Yes. Every single time, she's about to go to the edge. She pulls herself back. Okay. She does it again this time.

Yeah. Goes to the edge. Oh, my God. I'm my dad. Oh, my God. What have I done? Oh, my God. And pulls herself back. How much of a monster is it going to take for her to be,

for her to be d'I? For us, how much of a monster is he already? Because if what he did to his brothers was intentional, which I don't think that the show reads like it was at all, then he's been one for a very long time. And what he got from that was a close relationship with his mother. If it hasn't happened yet, then the eighth episode, or excuse me, not the eighth episode, the last episode of the show might be giving us the moment where he reveals. whether or not he cares about that, whether or not he knew what he was doing. Or even if he went with the lie that they were still at the movies.

Whatever. And what that tells us about his character and who he really is and who he will be going forward. I think that's a great point because there's, when I was looking, when he was taking over his mom in the early episodes, he mentioned his brothers. I'm thinking he acts that way because of what happened to his brothers.

And he wants, you know, he's the only person who can help his mom get out of the situation. So he has to do the work of three brothers to help his mom and their family, like, get out of poverty. But then you watch this episode, and, like, again, he's just sitting there letting him drown. Like, I guess he doesn't know. But I guess what my thing is, next week, right, will probably be the thing where we find out, like, what that is. Because to me, it kind of just reads, like, he wanted, he loved, he's loved his mom the entire time when his brothers were there. Yeah.

He's always had that thing for his mother. So with them gone, oh, now I'm the only person who can have that love. I can be selfish about it. It more reads like he's just a dick who let his brothers die so he can have his mom out to himself versus that was an accident my fault. Although I do see your point. I'd be interested to see what it looks like next week. The way it read to me was that his weird, okay, this is a way it read to me.

So obviously, Oz has some type of weird edipus. Yeah, type of situation. Oh, yeah. But his brother, Oz competes with what he believes to be stronger than him. He feels chronically underestimated and put in the back. So it doesn't matter what's next to him.

If anything is stronger and more confident than him, or if it seems that way, he competes with it. Yeah. Not just competes with it. He ultimately is compelled to kill it. He's compelled to kill anything that underestimates him or thinks that he's stronger than him. His brother, like, goes down to the bottom of the thing. We see his brother knowing what to do.

We see his brother taking him out. They're doing whatever, whatever. His brother's strong. His brother's playing. He's the guy. He seems like there's a hierarchy. And it's Oz is a mama's boy. His brother takes care of everyone.

He gets the money from the guy. It's like, let's go do this with it. He's like, nah, I've got to give it to mom. He's telling him the whole thing. And then his brother goes somewhere Oz can't go. And Oz almost reflexively kills him. Gets mad. Like, almost reflexively.

If you challenge your strength, he kills. And how easily was that echoed in the very first episode? Right. How much remorse is there for that? Is because that is what makes somebody who takes advantage of people. Someone that whenever they're challenged, rather than meet that challenge with some sort of conversation or understanding meets it with decapitating it.

And so I really want to know how he feels about what happened because that same tunnel at the end of the episode ended up being his safety. His safety is in killing anything that might challenge him. I'm very fascinated to see because I think the... The implementation of Sophia on the board for him is kind of somebody that I would almost find myself rooting for

to challenge him. And you'd think that they could make a great team. You'd think that they can make something together and they always find a way to keep repelling against it. There's no turning back after this point. But there's an interesting way to think that Oz will probably think of something

that gets him not only out of this, but like him running a very special part of the Gotham crime organization now. I don't know if he'll be on the top. I don't see this as him being on the top. I don't think. I don't think it's competition for the top anymore.

I don't think so either. I think it's competition for survival. I think being the top went out a couple episodes ago. All of our characters don't even want the same things that they wanted four or five episodes ago. Yeah, like I said, like she blew up the bliss operation. It's no longer about controlling the streets of Gotham. It's not about you disrespecting me, whatever, whichever. We got to see your hands.

Let's get it. Competing traumas in a way. Is the Sophia character continuing to go to the brink, continuing to go to the edge? Is that getting a little repetitive? Is it getting to a point now to where it seems like her only utility in the show is her contempt for us? No. Well, I think the show does a very... What does she want outside of us?

What is because... Right now, right now, After this, what does Sophia want outside of her contempt for us? We thought we she wanted, you know, to be the big boss who wanted to respect. And then she realized that she was just being her dad, right? And that's what, like, what turned her off. I think now what she just really wants is, you know, respect. But not in the, I'm the big guy.

I'm the boss. Like, I control all this thing. Respect. Just more of the, like, I'm the person who. like nobody's going to disrespect, nobody's going to take advantage of me like my dad did way back on. And it's probably challenged the best in this episode. I think the scene of the episode was when Oz's mom and Sophia were going at it.

The show has done a great thing where every time Sophia comes to the edge, it was against Oz's girl last episode, Oz's mom this week, and Gia this week, right? It's always a woman. You know, her whole thing was she was accused of, like, murdering all those, the people that worked at below or 42 below, right? And, like, the cycle of violence against women, she doesn't want to, again, she doesn't want to be your dad. She doesn't want to perpetrate that violence. And she's, and she gives every woman she encounters in this way of, like, a bit of grace because of that.

A bunch of grace. When she comes to that line, killing Oz's girl, having, like, Oz's mom, Gia. takes a step back. When she realizes, right, that she's having the same conversation with Gia that her dad had with her when she was like, yo, I saw the marks on my mom,

what was going on? I said the arts on you, like, what was the thing there? And he's trying to, like, talk her down. She's having the same conversation with Gia. She realizes, oh, yo, I'm not, I'm the same person my father was. You know, I think the show

has done a remarkable job, like stringing on, along her narrative to get to this point where now it's just like, all right, forget all the pretense, forget all the nonsense. You disrespect to me. Now we got to have it out. A lot of talk from people out there in the Twittersphere universe about where Batman is. Now look. Okay, look. Is that really came up again, didn't it? It does. But it has to now. You kind of do have to have it because now there's a whole. This is where I'm like, okay, maybe we need it. is what I'll say. I always wondered this, right?

If Batman can't get to every crime in Gotham. No. Yes. Yes. So there are people doing crimes in Gotham. They're like, on Monday, there might be a guy who gets like $50 million from the Gotham savings alone. He just goes and steals it. Sure. And they make off with it. Yeah. Oh, my God, we're good. It's fine. We did it.

Okay. And then on Wednesday, they might be a guy who's holding up a Gotham 7-11 and this is the motherfucker that runs into Batman. Right. Can you imagine? Can you imagine like people... It's luck of the draw.

It's a luck of the draw when Batman's going to show up. Can you imagine like your... There's all kinds of crimes. The Joker is like holding people hostage, all of that stuff like that. And you legitimately are trying to steal from an apartment complex. Right.

Are you just trying to jump car? You're just trying to steal a car, like an old car. And all of a sudden... Not just... These are bad things. Don't do any of this. What? Steve, you ever know anybody in prison before?

You've ever been to a prison to visit someone before? I don't like this questioning. These are bad things. Don't do them. I'm like just reduced people to their acts. It's coming out. I see it. Oh, okay.

Like Batman? Every week. Like Batman does? Every week, I see it a little bit more. Right? Like every week. People do desperate things when they're in deafened situations, but you wouldn't know anything about that, would you yet?

God. Anyway, you don't know that I am not Batman. No, you could be. You probably would be. But back to the situation. And so Batman hasn't been around. No, he's not. Batman hasn't been around.

And it's the look of, once again, the luck of the draw and got them, whether or not you're going to see Batman or not. You don't know if you're going to see him. What is your best theory as to where Batman is? If this is a Batman worthy crime yet or like level of attention or heat. Well, you got to remember the first in the movie, he was like people getting beat up on a train.

Yeah, that's fair. Swoop in. Yeah, that's just a warm up, though. He just started the night. He just needs to, like, get loose. Bad got, like, sometimes you see Batman, Batman, a dude will be, like, robbing a purse and Batman, all of a sudden Batman. You never know. My, like, actual theory is that he's probably, like, you know, getting ready for the sequel, like, literally, like, maybe, like, something happened at the aftermath of the Gotham, you know, explosions.

And now, and now he's like, oh, man, I noticed this and this. And he's out in, like, north and Gotham. and they out there in southern Gotham going crazy. My, you know, what I would do if I was him, I would have left Gotham and been in Bloodhaven with Catwoman.

That's where he's at. Right. That's where he's on vacation. So everyone that's asking, everyone that's asking the question. This is, that's the only answer. Right.

The movie goes off. She goes to Bloodhaven. Yeah. He comes back to Gotham. He turns on Do Not Disturb. But here's the deal. That's not what happened. What happened was after he realized

we weren't watching anymore. Yeah. That man spent the. been. Okay? He's in Bloodhaven right now. Knocking the dust off something. And the reality of the situation is

you guys would do the same. Oh, yeah. So everybody that's asking where Batman is. Don't worry about it. It's easy. That's the obvious answer. Now, if he were in town,

that'd be kind of crazy. He should be here right now. Yeah, the news is talking about the Falcone death or the, yeah, that whole thing. So you kind of have to, you know, where is Batman? He and Bloodhaven with Catwoman.

I respect it, brother. I understand. Is something else, do you think that Batman, there are some that Batman just let to go? Can you imagine like Batman? Because you can't, if you're Batman,

you got to prioritize, right? Of course. If you're Batman, are there something, you go, hey, I'm sitting here, I'm waiting for the court of aisles, whatever they're about to have a meeting.

Sometimes it's like finesse where like, you got to let him go. Like the personatry just like bumps into Batman's chest and then he's like, oh, God, and then just drops the person runs away. And like, that's, that's how you take care of that. The mob stuff, like, you've got to do recon. You got to do, it's just, the mob stuff is always going on. Like, if he just dedicated stuff to the

mob stuff, you got to have enough time. But then you got, like, the Joker. You'd be at the cork board all day and he never leave the back game. That's exactly what I'm saying. You have the Joker. You have, like, other stuff. You got to let the mob stuff, like, all right, they're going to do that. Once they, like, reach a level of threat, which is opening a hole in the the middle of Gotham, I think you got to make the call. How do you think Bruce is narrating this as he's, watching is just like Thursday his own operation

October 31st they just blew up the ground point that's where the poor people live though so I don't really care Van really doesn't like our vibe

it's plucky you want him in addition in van you got it buddy yeah no no no you got it yeah it's a funny thing about what you sow

yeah right yeah I made some mistakes in the past so You got it. Sparse Vic episode. Ah, yeah. Vic is in the episode long enough to apologize

and then he leaves and we never see him again. Fuck your guilt. Yeah, fuck your guilt. Go out there and give me an army. Mm-hmm. Good. Very high leverage episode in terms of us understanding mom. I knew that we would get a mom episode.

Mm-hmm. Because there were too many unanswered questions about the relationship between, perfect. Not just her and Vic, but her and Oz. Yeah. What do you think Oz is

relationship with his mother means? What is it? What is it? What does it mean? It feels nothing short of everything because I think that flashback really, really establishes. It's weird because I would have thought if we got a flashback, I would have thought that he was just like the kid from the omen of just like, okay, he'd kill his brothers and like cackle by the fact that I have, I have mother all to myself now.

But like, he's just very like affectionate and slightly possessive. He treats her, even as a kid, like the man of the house, like the guy that's going to be taking care of her. Like, oh, I'll take you to the movies. He's 12. Like, he's walking around acting like he's been the person that's doing. Why do you think that is? I have a theory about it.

He looks up to Rex. And he doesn't have a dad. His mother calls him strong. Yes. His mother. She boosts him for sure. His mother is the one that believes he's strong. Which is.

His mother, like, everybody else treats him a little bit like, you know, his foot, his whatever, all of that. His mother, I was expecting that to be different. I was expecting his mother to, for some reason, show some type of disdain for him when his brothers were around. Or toxicity or something like, hey, they're doing this, they're doing that. His mother is the one that says, hey, my strong boy, you're going to show people how strong. She believes in them that way. And it's almost as if her belief, his belief in himself is tied to her belief in him.

And I think that's to keep that. He's keeping himself safe by keeping her safe. Yeah. She has to die. She will die in the final. I have a, yeah, that's a pretty strong. For sure. She has to be.

This episode to me solidified that mom dies. Mom has to die next episode. It was either, it was, it was her, Vic. I figured would bite the big one next week, but her gun, that's tough. I mean, then you kind of have Penguin unleashed, right? I mean, what would be a better

origin story for the penguin that we think that we know and love? That's completely devoid and acting out of insecurity and desperation for approval when the only source of approval that mattered is gone. Yeah, that'll mean something.

It'll mean something. Mr. Dr. Sexy Doctor man. Shades. Shades. It's interesting that we're a podcast covering this show and we're calling him the name of a character from another show. But also, we know exactly who we're talking

about. Exactly. They do too. So, he's useless. He's the first character in the show that actually sucks. I'll be honest with you. When it's not getting tied up and whipped in the chair? Right, yeah.

Do we have a count of I'll be honest with you? Thank you, man. I'm getting better at it. Hey, save that money. The character is whack. The character sucks. I don't know what the character is supposed to be doing. It seems like a character that is kind of just there. I'm waiting for the character to make it.

Am I wrong about it? Well, she, like, they have like a relationship of him and Sophia from Arkham. And then she was the first person. He was the first person. She saw him when she got out. Right. And then obviously he's like, I want to work for you. I want to be there with you.

I mean, he's the reason they found out of OG in the first place, right? Because he's got, I'm sure. they got LinkedIn, you know, or group chat, psychiatric type shit. Yeah, but he's also like, he's like the mob doctor, but only the mob therapist. Yeah. In weird, like, I, there's a level of agency where I'm like, I kind of like the idea of the mob doctor or like the person that, like, because again, that was like when we look back to the Batman, uh, uh, Wayne Sr. saved Falcone's life. Like, he worked with the mob.

And he was part of that corruption. Like, I liked the idea that there's, like, these things of, like, extremely staunch ethics with working with people that are morally deplorable. And they seem to kind of just waste that to be like, it's bad. He's just gone. Yeah, he's gone. I want to say, like, he's got any good ethics. No, no, no.

But, like, I like the idea that, like, oh, we had, like, Thomas Wayne, somebody that, like, was incredibly righteous, save somebody, like, Falcone's life once. Oh, well, he's not. He's not known Thomas Wayne. Oh, no, of course not. I've seen him tied up in a chair with his pants down. It's not the same. You don't think Thomas Wayne gets it?

I mean, he probably gets it. I mean, he probably get it. I don't like that, though. How do you know? How do you know? I don't know. It doesn't seem like the kind of, I mean, hey, too each is on. Who knows?

He's about uptight, wear suits, goes to the opera? It could be a freakazoid. Gotham looks like a freaky town to me. It's got to be. It's got to be. It's got to be. You got to be. You can find what you need.

Yeah. Penguins, you know. It's like a lot of poison ivy. We got to think about it's a lot. What? There's people dressing up like different things in Gotham. I was going to say there, there's a lot of people out there, you know, because they have henchmen, right?

They got goons. Yeah. No I'm saying. Big goon town. Big goon town. That might be where it comes from. That's probably where it comes from. It's all the gooning.

It's like a lot of people out there. You have different people. There's different ways to make money. We got to think about it, right? The Joker gets caught up. All right, well, I got to go work for the penguin now. Do you think the goons? Do you think the goons have to have like a...

There's a goonian. There's a goonian for. For sure. It's a go. Do go, do you say they go from, can you be a goon in this situation? Because you said it, but I want to delve deeper into it. Can you work for the penguin, then for the Joker, then for two-faced? Can you triple goon?

Can you quadruple goon? Can you goreys? Can you get multiple goons in one day? Can you spend the top of a day working for the Joker? You're all in purple and green? And all of a sudden, you're like, I got a shift with the penguin at the end of it. Now you dress my face. guys, we got to have the half suits.

Yeah, the half suits. The half suits. Like, you got... Probably. There's one dude in his closet, he got all the different costumes in there. I would imagine so, because, I mean, like, I'm sure it's expensive.

You know, you're trying to support a family. Oh, that's what I need to see. I need to see the job interview and the guy dresses for the wrong super villain. Oh, man. He shows to the two-face interview for Mr. Freeze. And he's like, oh, I'm sorry. This is the penguin. You got to be...

That's tough. I mean, ultimately, at the end of the day, you got to feed your family, right? So maybe you start one day, you know, eight, you know, eight to four, you're out there at the penguin layer and then from 4 to 12 you're out there and you're at the two-faced layer. Which villains are the most...

Okay, which ones are the furthest end on the spectrum in terms of who you're working for? I would say that penguin and two-faced, that's probably easy. That's fair. That's probably easy. Definitely not the Joker. If you're working for the Joker...

No. Absolutely not. Hazard pace crazy, though. Hazard pace crazy, but again, you might don't even need two ships. I know which one it is. I know which one it is. I know who is Bain.

Really? Because you got to be in the records, my brother. Well, that's a... They expect one of them. They expect one of us in the records, my brother. It's from a record. Bain has a different type of goons, right? Bain's goons.

The Joker's goos were crazy in the movie, too. But Bain's goons, they expect one of it. That nigger was happy to die. I look back at that scene all the time. I was like... It was like, one of us, are you going to start a fire? Who fucking cares?

You don't know what you want to see? No, who know? You don't know what's going to happen. You, you, but brother, enjoy your trip to oblivion. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, it's, for him, I always, he just took his shit off so easy. He's like, my brother, like, they spent one of us in the records.

Like, he didn't, hey, but okay. He said, bet. He's like, all right. I got you. I got you, stay up. I'm like, what? Hey, just sit. I'm like, you know where the 7-4-0-K to, right?

I don't look that band and been like, all right, motherfucker. Why don't you get the record for it? Yeah. One of us. One of us. Who is us? Like, why don't you get in the wreckage? Imagine your boss. One of us got to stay back.

Let's take the org chart here. By the way, I'll tell you something else. He, you can tell, he wasn't expecting to have to give his life up. To get that question? Because he was ready to get him. Yeah, yeah. He's like, yeah, all right. Parachute. Maybe if you tell me this, because that's probably how I would have come back at him, I was like,

hey, tal, when we was planning this shit out, you know, the scene where you're going, you're going to go here and you're going to go here. going to go here. You never said, okay, like this little model on fire, you're going to be in a wreckage. I wouldn't have done it. You'd be like, well, no, actually. I'm not going to do that. I would call it out. One of my mental health days. Yeah. Wellness week. Wellness week. There would have been wellness week for me on the time for me to do that. Who doesn't implore wellness week? Bain, Bain did have crazy people, but Bain and the Joker had crazy people too. Bain and the Joker people are crazy. You probably don't want to pick from those guys if you're hiring a mercenary goon. But

two-faced goons, cool. I mean, it's cool. cool. You gotta wear that suit, though. I mean, he's just a regular gangster, nigga, though. You know what I'm saying? He's bipolar. He's mood shifts. We all worked with a boss like that. I feel like you start up. Actually, most bosses in capitalist systems are two-faced. Jesus Christ. Wow. You come in, sometimes, like,

you look at him, I'll work for two-face. All right. Sometimes he was all right. Other times sometimes fucked up. Christa love. I imagine you start at the mob, right? You start with the mob level. You start at the mob, right? You start at the mob, and then you work your way up to super villainy.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean. So, like, the Poison Ivy's, all that stuff. Like, that's when you get to call. Hey, I'm going to the big leagues. You know,

I'm working for, I'm working for Joker now. Let's go. I feel like Poison Ivy would be a pretty, like, bad one. Like, you're definitely not getting paid. You're just brainwashed.

You're doing it for the love of the game. Yeah, but I also feel like you're just, if we're going off of the George Clooney, uh, Batman movie, you're just essentially just like, like, she gives you the kiss and you're just working for free.

You're not getting no money. It's definitely nonprofit type of deal. It's like an internship. She poaches. Well, you got to have a, all right. You got to have like a resume. Right? She got like 10,000 Jomi's working for.

White one of 50s. I was saying Jomey would be taking care of poison. Kiss on the cheek. All I took was a kiss on the cheek. I don't need a kiss. He doesn't need it. He doesn't need it. I just do for the love of the game, man.

I tell my, I tell my landlord to double my rent this month. I just like grinding. I'd like working. So that's tabel mindset. Take care of poison ivy, social media. Right now. This world that they've created.

Yeah. Is this the most hopeless Gotham? Seriously, this Gotham, I found myself in this episode, which was, by the way, a fantastic episode, tell us. I found myself in this episode going, God damn, this shit is heavy, man. I got to see a little bit about how the other half lives. Like, I think the ratio of haves and have-nots in this Gothsum, looks a lot more bleak only because, like, you have, like, certain parts of town that are just

underwater and that, like, are still being run by, like, FEMA tents and stuff. Mm-hmm. So that's really, really bad. And to any way that, like, the high society of Gotham, it looks like that it would have been, like, I don't know, like, French Revolution-level stuff, where it's just, like, there's only the mega-rich and the megapore. And for somebody, like, Oz could just carve out, like, even a... regular drug trade business.

Like, even that seems like fruitless. I think when the hole comes like the blow up the bliss factory and the hole gets in the ground, I'm like, all right, the cops got to get involved. Like somebody. I barely've seen police intervention. And that's what I'm saying. They came to the house. It's true.

Yeah. After she gassed her own family, it seems like they were very happy. We're very sorry about your loss. Jesus Christ. But that's what I'm saying, right? is that this place is completely and utterly cooked and nobody's coming to save them. If bad men don't come to save them,

sober. To your point, this Gotham is awful. I don't know how anybody could live there at all. It's terrible. So let's think about it. Burden's Gotham actually didn't really seem that bad. It was nice. No. They were skating over.

It was great. Yeah. It was kind of... Ice skating rinks. Yeah. Then you had the Gotham of... Nolan. Chicago. Chicago. However, you know,

seemed like they kept telling us a little dirtier. A little, a little dirtier. This is like legitimately. Yeah, no. This is horrible. I'm like, y'all got to get out of here. Yeah. It's very hopeless. It's like, what is the worst property value? Westview or Gotham?

But think about this, but think, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but think about this, you're looking at, this is important. Mm-hmm. You're looking at, people without electricity, the desperation of the town is actually driven home here in a way that I only get in the comic books. You know when I read Gotham Central, you let me read Gotham Central. Yes. That was a masterclass on the inner workings of the city. And I'm really sad that the

Gotham Central show isn't coming now because I actually want to know more, and this is a testament to the show, about this iteration of the city, as much as I want to know about all the characters and all the people that I made. Because we think it's literally cartoonish just how impoverished and bad and downtrodden a city like Gotham can be. But like there's ebbs and flows about how a city like this could work.

Yes, it's bad, but how do people literally just get by? And little tiny snippets that the show has, like Sophia confronting Oz's girlfriend, heavy quotes, stuff like that. Like you see little slices of life in Gotham that actually are worth seeing. I think the cop thing, the cop angle is very interesting because I could imagine like Renee Montoya had a bunch of folks. And they're saying that they're trying to do their jobs, but they can't because of like either corruption by the Gotham PD or just the fact that they're broke.

They ain't got no bread. Yeah. People need help and all kind of place in Gotham. But they're only really helping the Waynes and those type of people just because like we're hamstrung by the system. You know what I mean? Like that is interesting. That's like a story. I think it's worth telling ultimately.

So I should take up like a social justice cause? All I's got to do is, hey, yo, break off some bread for them, you know what I'm saying? On the other side, hey, man, here's a couple of hundreds, a couple of 20s, man. Take care of y'allself. Just don't, when you see me, look the other way. What's a win for Sophia? Sophia has completely transformed. Yeah.

It's almost as if Sophia and Oz are in a transformation contest. Who can be the most different, and Vic as well, who can be the most different of a character from the first time that we met them in this season of TV. She's probably the most different. Oz is a lot of people do, but she's probably the most different. Vic is completely different. But for Sophia to win, once again,

we talked about it briefly early, is a win at this point just killing Oz? Is that the thing? I'm making him suffer. She doesn't. Maybe, but then what does she become? She doesn't know if she wants to be her father. She doesn't know if she's a falconi,

doesn't know if she's a gigante, Doesn't know if being a gigante is actually a real thing. Doesn't know, is she chasing something that she can actually even attain? I don't think so. And I think that's where the interest in the finale lies. At the end of the day, if you just want Oz to suffer, you hurt his mommy, hurt him, whatever, then what? Right? Do you then, like, go off, go to Italy, right?

Do you, when the cops show up, do you just go to Arkham and be like, bet, hey, but now you don't got no mom, you ain't got no bliss operation, what do you have nothing? I have put you down a hole that I don't think you can get out from. That's all it takes. Sometimes you just got to be a hater. At the end of the day, I think that's what it might be. She's like, I don't have to, I don't have to win. You just have to lose. Yeah. I, I, it's very odd. I think that I don't, I'm not going to, I'm not here saying that Sophia's like not built for this life or anything like that. She's clearly not. No, she's not. No, she's not. Not to say that she can't do it, but like she really shouldn't.

I'm sorry to think that her character actually is understanding that she shouldn't. Wait, she could be savage enough. She could. Because she's been pushed to a place where so many of her lines have been, she's had to cross them. She could be savage enough for sure. But keeping the sense of self is like. She's capable of tremendous feats of violence.

But the reality is that there's a level of damage that she clearly doesn't want to do. Yes. and she keeps stopping short of that. Either that changes. Either that changes, or she retreats away from the life. You can't be a little bit pregnant, right? And you get, yeah.

Okay, all right, right. It's true. It's true. What's wrong with that saying? No, that's facts. That's fact. That's fact. I know. That's a common saying, fuck masters. I did. I literally am agreeing with you. That's a common saying.

Is that that too much? too far, sexually and sexual. It's not. Why did it bother you, Tony? It doesn't bother me just out of left field,

man. What are you talking about? Kerm, please. I'll be honest, I haven't heard that expression. I've definitely heard that. I've definitely heard that.

Have you heard that expression, Arjuna? Of course. Yeah. You can't be a little bit pregnant. Once you're pregnant, you're pregnant. Yeah.

Okay. So is that okay? Okay. It's fine. It was just out of left field. Once you're pregnant, you're pregnant. And so it seems like she's,

trying to dip her toe into the water. And every time she wants to go to that next step, she pulls herself back because she doesn't want to be your dad. She doesn't want to be your dad. And I, it's weird. I feel like a better, like all of these things that I would want

that have better resolutions for any of these characters outside of Oz, either end up with them dead or walking away from these things. And I don't see how any of them can. I think Vic is a genuine toss-up at this point. I don't know what is going to be in sort of him. Either he's fully in or he's dead. I guess. I think,

I hope Vic survives, you know, just because, sure, don't want that. The question about, like, the penguin,

like Oz coming out on top, I don't think there's a question whether or not he comes out on top. I think, I think he will, right? The show is about how he becomes the penguin. I think it'd be kind of silly if it ends and he's like,

he goes out like Franklin State. You know what I mean? Like, that's really not how. that could work, I don't think. And so I think what it comes down to is, what does he lose along the way to become the penguin? It's ultimately the question.

It's his mom, he already lost a bliss. You know what I mean? Like, when we're next week, when we're sitting down at this table and we're talking about the family, is what did it cost us to become the man he always said he wanted to become? Stop there.

Look, you guys, it is a fucking great show. fantastic. I'll tell you something. Tell you something right now. Yes. The Penguin has the opportunity

that sticks the landing to be the single greatest season of comic book television that's ever been made. That's my bold declaration. Not in terms of entertainment. Okay. The quality. The single comic book show.

It's hitting an artistic and creative mark that I don't know if a lot of shows have ever gotten to. There's only a couple. The boy, season one I put up there. Daredevil? Sure. Daredevil, which one? Season two.

Season one? Season two. The first four episodes of season two. Season two is good. The Daredevil season one. All right, yeah. What else we got? Agence and Shield season four.

Right, of course. Can't forget that. You can't forget that. Yeah. Superhero television. I'm saying it's way up there. Yeah. It's the type of stuff that gets you going.

It doesn't, I will say it's not, it doesn't, it's not as tasty as some of the other stuff. No, it's not as like. It's not as tasty. It's not as viral. It's not as whatever, but it's sticky. The quality. Yeah, yeah. The quality and everything.

It's not, it's not, it's, hmm. It's, hmm. It's. Hmm. Steve, I could have been an AEO. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, maybe not. Maybe too much. I was thinking of a steak.

Yeah. Okay. Wagoo. Yeah. It, but it's, it's, it's way up there in terms of what it's able to do. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I don't think we'll see another season.

Well, they said the final episode of Penguin, so. And they're enlisting Matt Reeves to like cook up some other potential Batman spin-offs. Cooking it up. The Vick spin-off. I'm into the Vicks spin-off. I do. I do. I like the Vicks spin-spin-off.

Sophia Spinoff? No. No? Actually, I don't need Vick or something. That's what I was. Okay, wow. We ran that back. Gotham, Gophobf, P.D.

Man, Gotham P.D., Gotham P.D. I tell you what, Gotham P.D. in this Gotham would be fascinating. They were going to do it, but, you know, whatever. It'd be great. All right, you guys, that's it. It's over.

It's over. It's over. The podcast is over. We'll be back with the penultimate, excuse me, with the finale of Pingu. You guys got, just real quick, any predictions. I mean, we think either one of Vic and his moms is going to see the dust. I think Sophia gets carted to Arkham.

I think Sophia is perceivably carted off to Arkham, but she's out in Italy. Maybe. She's under the Tuscan Sun. Okay, okay. Yeah, I don't think she dies, but I think, I would say Arkham. She goes back to the Looney Bin, and then Penguin is the Penguin. So you think she's back in Arkham? Yes.

Penguin is the penguin. Yeah. We see Sophia in the future. I like the idea of her going back to Arkham. I think that kind of works. I think mom dies. Mom dies. I feel like, man, because I, I hate to see Vic.

If I had to pick one, the mom getting toast. Yeah. And Vic, maybe Vic gets his happy ending. He goes to California with his old girl. You know, we take $500. Maybe Vic gets a happy ending in California with his girl. Yeah. Freakably.

You set that out. Why is everybody groaning? That's on me. No, no, no, no, no. It's on me. It's on you. I have to take responsibility for my actions and my words.

Yes. Now, apologize within five minutes. What are your prediction, Steve? I think, I really want Sophia to not be back in Arkham. I want some level of progression for her. Be that either in... You love you some progression, don't you?

I do. I do. I do love some progression and redemption. No, go to Italy. She's out. She's definitely out. She'll find a way because she knows that it's not for her. Yeah, but she's in Italy.

She's not going to be in the second movie. That's fine. All right. See the sunset. Doesn't matter. She's for her. She's rich enough. She's fine.

I don't think we'll see Batman, but like, would it be kind of crazy if the, if they show like his cave? Like he's off on a rooftop somewhere, just like, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like the silhouette away from like 90 yards away. It's like, oh, man. And he's like, shit. What if they don't show Batman? But they show Zoe Kravitz. She's lying in bed.

She's having a cigarette. And then all of a sudden, you hear, you know, explosions and Gotham. It's been really a bad fucking couple of weeks in Gotham with all of these people dying and months and months and months. And also you see somebody grabbing. You know what I mean? So they got Zoe Kravitz.

They didn't have Robert. They can get Robert. She's really in a company. She's single now. Okay. Wait, what does that mean? Channick-Taynor broke out. No, no, no, what does that mean for her?

Like, they have Zoe Kravitz money, but they don't have... They might have been able to get her on a reshoot last week. Okay. So, come here and shoot something real quick. You're not, you know what I mean? Like, you're single, she's single. She's single. Is she...

I mean, I ask you guys her question. Sure. Please. Real quick about Zoe Kravitz. Okay. Go. Go for it. And this is not...

Wait a second. Why do you have to preface it? I love the comment. I love the comment. We got a preface it. Okay, but wait. But wait. Because it's not

when you do stuff like this It's very important Sure Because we're about to objectify Oh And and here's the thing Again not we This is a

This is a Yeah I'm gonna do it's me by myself Okay So I'm giving a preamble Right Because I just I want to know from y'all's generation to beauties of y'all's generation,

not in my generation, I'm older. Yep. Who are you folding first for? Okay. Zoe Kravitz. Okay. Or one Zendaya. Why are we putting two?

Why are you doing this? Don't do this. What do you mean? Why are we doing it? Because they're two light-skinned women? Like, what are we doing right now? They're not just light-skinned. Come on, man.

Bye, bye, bi-racial. Okay. So they're not just light-skinned. And by the way, here's the deal. The reason why we're doing it is because they're both at the tops of their games. Uh-huh. Okay, Zendaya just wore a share-inspired outfit. Zoe Kravitz was killing it.

Yes. The question is, to you guys, you two, your generation beauty, Kerm as well. Oh, you, champ. Who are you folding first for, Zendaya or Zoe Kravitz? The two Zs. Somebody should do a cool spy movie for them together. The Z-Twins taking on. That would be awesome.

Before we get to that, okay. Oh, yes, no. Okay, before we get to that cool, empowering spy movie, sure. It's okay to have a question. Yes. Who would you fold first for? Who's more of your taste?

Who's more of your... I do remember seeing this on my ballot when I was mailing it in. This is tough, man. You're split hairs at this point. You know, these are two people top of their game, just excellent competitors. And when anyway, you slice it, both of them, are excellent, you know, just there's really, I mean, you could go either way, frankly, about it.

You know what I'm saying? Who's your goat? Jordan or LeBron? You know what I'm saying? Who's the greatest hitter in baseball? Show Hale Tani, Babe Ruth. No matter how you slice it, you're getting two of the greatest to ever do it. It's, it really is, it really is tough.

It's tough. It's hard. There's no real. You're splitting ears. American decides. You're splitting A to 3C curl patterns. Jesus Christ. Cut the fucking mics.

I hope people get that joke. I hope people get that. Some people might not. They're biracial. It's like with lip like one of those dolls that just been. You have an answer? Oh, you really need an answer. You really need an answer, brother?

We're going to put that out there for the people. And by the way, it's not, it's not, it's not because I could ask another, like who, like we, I could ask who's better out of Channing Tatum and Tom Holland. Mm. Uh-huh. Like in what, in acting or in franchise retention? Watch this. Aaya.

Who are you folding first for? Watch Alea stand on fucking business. If it's Channing Tatum from Step Up, it's Channing Tatum, but otherwise it's... Yeah, I feel like... Wait, but wait, though. But wait, though. But wait, though. But wait, though.

But once again, no. Watch this. Watch Alaya stand on business. Okay. Because that's what she does. Right. Right. Watch ELAe stand on business.

Alea, who are you folding first for? Holland? Or Channing Tatum. If it's from step up, Channing Tatum, it's Channing Tatum. But otherwise it's Tom Holland. Okay. Easy.

But that's not the same, though. They're not in the same weight class. It's different. My answer is Endaya. Watch Alea stand on business. Once again, new nickname, Alea S-O-B-Zaner.

Brand-new nickname. Because why I'm trying to get y'all for stand-on business. She's stand-on business. Alea S-O-B-Zerererer-Zaneris. Alleya standing on fucking business because she's been standing on business. One time me and Alea were having a conversation

like on higher learning a couple years ago. Sure. And she diss my dead dad to my face. That's how much she shows. Wow. Yes, she did. She's not. She's not lying.

That absolutely happened. And by the way, at first I was mad. I was like, oh my God, like I was going to cry. And then I was like, she had a point. So what I'm saying is, like, Alea stands on business all the time, but y'all refuse to. Y'all refuse to.

Give me... No, it's over. You had your chance. It's Steve beatbox situation again. I can't get you out of commit. I was out of breath then. How are you out of breath beatboxing? I can't get you out of commit.

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I don't know. Later this week, Bloodmash returns as well. Mint Vimber. Is it Zoe? Yeah, Zohy? You guys, yeah,

Mint Vimber is upon us. If I had to move one way. All the pluck in the fucking world, you can go up there. You want to come on? Did you want to go on? You still do? You know what?

I'm coming on. And I'm going to show you. What? Yo. Hey, I'm coming on and I'm going to show you guys how plucky I can be. Let's do it. I have a new fucking persona.

The pluckmeister. Mm-hmm. And I'm going to debut this persona on Mint Edition. He's like this. Do you do the squeaky? Oh, no, it's just silent. Hey, guys. Hey, guys.

Wow. Whoa. Whoa. This is cool. Guys. I was at VidCon and I was able to hang out with some of my favorite YouTubers. Exactly. I really get down.

Wow. W. Riz. Whoa. What's going on? Baby Gras. Baby Grunk. Rizze up, would he done?

Guys, guys, it bothers me so much when I see content creators not letting us into their space on Twitch and other platforms. Okay. I want it to Kaisenot. Our producers are Steve, the architect Alman.

Isaiah Blakely, nah, he wasn't on this one. Steve, the architect Alman. Jonathan's black chocolate, Kerma. Aaliyah, S.O. B. Zanaris, stand on fucking business. Alea S-O-B-Zanaris, the Dillon thing is out. Gone.

Dillon's got to be ready to stand on business. Dylan got to stand on business. The Dillon thing is out. Okay. Okay. It's ALEA S-O-B-Zanaris. Jomi, the Explaner on, on socials. Hashtagami, Jomi, work for free with poison ivy.

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This is not bad You don't have to describe it But what was like What website were you on When you're like Oh I've seen too much Like there was like a moment where you genuinely saw something that you did not want to see on the internet?

I don't know. I mean, I've been in a long time, right? Yeah. So even as a kid, like, you see all the stuff you're not supposed to see. I'm saying, I think. I was, I just remember early, like, late 2000s, 4chan was real rough. Nah, I wouldn't even, I mean, maybe, but that's the internet. I think.

That's the internet, yeah. I think for me, if I'm being, like, completely. if it's probably baby grunk and uh livy done i was like that that's enough baby gronk and liby don't remember that i don't know that baby don't remember that baby don't baby gronk rises up baby gronk rises up liby done you don't remember that if i google this one you should love that that shit i bro that dude they used to stare into the thing and be like baby gronk rises up livy done i don't know what i was like what does that mean play that guy's shit baby gronk live oh jesus I love that guy.

That guy is so hilarious. I was like, I don't know what this is. What are you talking about? What is this? Baby Gronk just broke up with Livy Dunn. And he's looking like into this. He's got like his eyes are dead.

I don't know what was happening. That was, that was, what the hell is this? Enough is enough, champ. This, all right.

Too old. You know? Internet used to mean something. I read the unforgivable video. There used to be gods on the internet. Yeah. You know? Unforgivable.

Niggah, man, changed lives. What? That's what he was. That's his name. Niga. Niga. What is this? I think there's one Niga.

I think he's supposed to pronounce him to Niga Higa. Because, like, you're really just saying nigger. Like, what is it? I mean, he's missing a G, but, you know, Niga Higger, whatever. I mean, I'm going to get an explanation as to what this is. He was, he had the most, he was like one of the biggest, or he was one of the biggest channels for a long time. Like, literally had the most subscribers of YouTube.

And like, win, 20. You don't know. How to Be Ninja? 2007. I don't know. What? How to be ninja? Oh.

Yes. No, no, no, no. He's like one of the OG. Steve is old. I am old. Yeah. Clearly. I remember Aska Ninja from back in the day.

Hey, y'all remember that little Asian boy off YouTube? Nika higa. What? What? He was Asian. He was Asian. He still is Asian actually. Shout out Ryan.

Shout out Sean. Man. Yep. Ryan Higger Yeah Where's he at now? Like what's I also it's he's He's bro

He's dreams now Oh that makes sense Yeah he's a streamer Yeah he's on Twitch This nigga has 20.9 million Do you guys remember Kev Jumba? I'm telling yes Remember Kev Jumba from that era

That name sounds remember How would I spell this? He became a monk N-I-G-A-H-I-G He did He got into a car accident and became a monk Oh that's not funny It was crazy

I mean he's doing other things now But it's wow You're fine You say in all the videos, Tee-hee. I remember that, man. Good times, man.

Jenna Marbles. Yeah, I remember Jenna Marbles. Annoing Orange. Man. Epic Mill Time. Epic Mill Time. Oh, my God. Epic Militon.

He don't, he don't do his thing no more. Nah. He hadn't put no videos out in years. Nah. Nah. What ever happened in that? They're mussels.

Didn't Jenna Marbles go magas or something? Harley is like everywhere. No, no. Jenna Marbles is not go MAGA. She just left this. internet. I feel like she went maga. No, that's a crazy thing for you to say. Ray William Johnson got up out of there.

Who? Equals three? He's still around. Is he still around? Yeah, he does TikTok now. No, they all do TikTok now. That's not the same. No, but he does it the same way he did his YouTube videos. Really?

Man, look at this. Look at these thumbnails from 13 years ago. They really were. I miss O'D YouTube so much. Oh, fast for you, Ozzy. Oh, man. Bruh. A 138,000 calorie burger.

when Trisha was eating on her kitchen floor That was like six months ago Fair enough That was six months ago Still makes to say content I'd say