The Ringer-Verse - Is ‘Venom 3’ Unwatchable? Plus, the Worst Year in Superhero Movies | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: October 26, 2024

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Into the Ringiverse This of course The Ringers Next's podcast feed For All Things Fandom We are Jomi, the explainer at dinner on you've got questions

He's got answers Steve The architect, Alman, the builder and tinker of things You look like you're building And tinkering right now What you're doing?

I'm setting up Making sure the soundboards Also That's what the fuck I'm talking about Steve, get to it Whoa! Oh man Van here

The receiving resurgent Hairline Coke Baby Chuck The 24 carric closure A.K.A. The Brunch Hody We have the Midnight collective in here today. We're missing one. We're down one.

Alea, are you doing two jobs? Sure. Why not? Alley O'Brien's in there. You saw Caddo Lake. I did see Cadill Lake. Well, a review. Midnight meter. It was really fun. Oh, midnight meter. I would say like at least an eight. Like, it was. That's solid. That's solid. Yeah.

I honestly don't see a lot of the twists coming. I think this is a perfect role for Dylan. Like, honestly, I'm not even saying this as a fan, but like he just, it's like, Anytime you let him sit and cook, it works. He, like, loves to just embody a role and they gave him a role. I was really hesitant about the Southern accent, but I think he did a pretty good job. Say something right now. You know what you're going to be? You're going to be our Dylan O'Brien expert.

Whenever he has a movie out. Dylan O'Brien correspondent. Whenever he has a movie out. Do I get, like, a pay raise with that? Whenever he's doing something like that, you're fired. Oh, okay. Like, you know, that was a, that was, see, that's, that's, That's how I know you don't really love them.

All right. It was for the money, kids are so. It wasn't for the money, but all. And, Curr! It was about the money, Spider-Man. Chocolate ball. The black one. The black one?

The black one. The black one. The black one. We are. On the midnight, boys. Kerm, get to it now. Wow. So, I was supposed to see Venom three last night.

but change of plans. Okay. I watched the legendary performance and all I got to say is y'all niggas need to put respect to my brother Jomi's name that milk merchant shit is for the birds.

It's over with. Really? We're doing this. We're doing this. Jomi, what happened? You came back to the black? Oh, whoa. That's crazy.

What? That's crazy. I'm asking. What happened? Hey, man. First of all. If somebody's going to tell us what happened? I got you.

So, Ringer is, We talked about it yesterday. We're here for core week. So it's the last night. Everybody's in town. We're like, let's go to a bar. Let's like just have a great time.

You know what I'm saying? This is the last time we're all going to be in the same place for a while. Let's go full stand. Let's have us a good time. And then big baller Jomey. He decides he calls a play. He says we need like 50 shots for everybody. It's more like 50.

16. Like record, record levels. I made it 50, but yeah. Record levels of shots for everybody. I was literally in the Uber on my way. And then I went. I got to go. That's fair.

He missed out. He sold it. He missed out. And so I'm buying like a bunch of shots for a bunch of people. And then this group of girls come through and they're like, oh, Jeremy from the midnight boys. Sisters. Ooh. Sisters, right?

I was like, and then I wouldn't even decide. I know I wasn't even thinking. I was like, what y'all drinking? Let's carry a body something. We all, we take the shot. We all get drinks. And I was just like, you know. It was nice to meet you guys.

We're out with the people. We talk to the people. Shout out to Syriot Sohi. Analea and Victoria. They were like, gentlemen, you got to go back. You got to talk to him. What are you doing? I was like, I'm telling my people.

You know, I'm trying to go. Fuck yeah. They're like, Joe. What the fuck is this? All right. Kerm actually put some flavor on this story. No, no, no, that's what happened. That's what happened.

Yeah, that's what happened. We're getting to it. So you fumbled? No. No, no, no. Listen, we still got, there's layers. So I was like, bet. You know what?

guys are right let me go talk to him and then it's three on one this guy you got to tell the rest the story you're the you're the magic johnson of wingman right here so i get you know i see joey joey me make eye contact he calls me over first and foremost i got a girlfriend so i'm here and support for my guy joey yeah and it becomes a two-on-two some random guy i don't know who the other guy was he came and created another a little more separation so it's now two v jomey to clearly things are heating up between Jomey and Oh girl, we don't do names on here. No.

Talking about... We definitely do names, but go ahead. I don't. I don't. I don't do names. Talking about shelves and helping out with furniture and Jomey admits that he also, he does the cooking, he does the cleaning. He's all there ready

for the support. Hell yeah. It gets the point where me and old girl's friend, we're like, it's getting kind of hot. It's like 90 degrees right now. We need to go get some water. And I come back and apparently Jomi has something going on. It might be a date.

I don't know. I'll leave it there. What the fuck I'm talking about Jones? Let's go. Right now. See, this was going to happen when you came back to the sisters. The rocket was going to take off. You know what I mean?

Nothing much trajectory now. The rocket was going to take off when you came back to the sisters. Jesus Christ. How black is she? That's a crazy question, Van. I'm asking. She black. She Kamala Harris?

Yeah, yeah. Wow. Kelly Roe. Don't answer that. Oh, we're not going to answer that. Don't do that. That's my type of shit right here. Well, that's my time of shit.

This is how we lose all black women that listen to the show. What we talk about? We love them. We love her. We love her. What are we doing? But is she light skin? Camala.

Is she light skin? So let's talk about venom. Three. All right. Follows on socials. It's the Twitter, Facebook, TikTok for now. Save Jomi's job. I don't need to come to him.

We know how he's doing. He's fucking flying. above the clouds right now. We're now on YouTube. You can watch every Midnight Boys, House of Our Talk to Thrones episode on YouTube.com backslash at Ring of Verslite, comment, and subscribe. I remind us, later today on House of Ar, they'll have their deep dive for Agatha.

Yeah. You're looking forward to that? Did you produce that? Yeah, me and John. So you're looking forward to that because you really love that episode. They went very much in depth on the tarot lore that was going on this, the storytelling that was involved. What was going on? Like, 220? 20. Okay, so brisk for them. Brisk, yeah. They zipped along.

Also next week we'll have Buttonash, more Midnight Boys, Ringiverse recommends, and Mitt Vimber will soon be upon us. I cannot fucking wait for Mitt Vimber. I cannot fucking wait. We're excited. You guys are super into it. So it's arcane and what else? Star Trek Lower Dex, man. I watched the first episode last night. Gasoline. Special. Right. Also during mid Vember, we need updates on you and the girls' relationship.

We will be getting to that. We will. The girl. Like the teen. Yeah, yeah. I think we are underestimating here. I think everyone needs to know that this whole thing was the center of the ringer's whereabouts last night. Like the way that... Literally like 50 people, we were all watching and getting information from each other

about what was going on here. It was far more legendary than I think... Hold on a second, gosh. It's because I was a... Can I say something real quick? Can I say something real quick? I get that, but let's not treat Jome like a make a wish kid. You know what you?

You're going to be able to be able to... You're so proud of him. Yeah, I get that. But like, you know what I mean? Sorry. Respectfully, if you would have seen the three-on-one in the beginning, everyone was like, what's going on here? I see you. I see you.

And I would like to say, as much as you shouted out everyone, Kerm and I did lift in here. I had you have to go out there and Kerm followed through. I was a little disappointed. Why did you need people to, like, push you back? Like, the women were coming to you. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

He got the win. A win is a. a win, we're not, we're not, that is true. That is true. That's a D-Wa-Lebron pick. All right. I'm talking about, like, we take the wins where we can get them. Today's show, speaking of wins. Today's show, we're giving our instant reactions to Venom the Last Dance.

And this is going to be a dozy, a daisy, a Fugasia, Fragasia, a woozy. What is it? What is that? It's a, whew, whee dust. It's fairy dust, whatever. But we're going to do a spoiler warning for Venom and all of Marvel. I don't know how much... We can spoil.

We can spoil a lot. I don't know how much we can spoil. And to begin our reactions, before we get into that, we got to do the spoiler warning. The reason why I say that is because it's really nothing to talk about. Yo.

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We're getting ready to talk about that. You're listening to a reaction. Podcast. The spoilers are coming. Reactions. Somebody who I'm sure is very honored to do the Midnight Manifest on this right now, how he was fucking going crazy

in his movie. I love this movie. Like, if you were on reactions, Chuck is going to bring you the Midnight Manifest. Chuck, take it away. All right, this is the Midnight manifest of Venom,

the last dance, directed by Kelly Marcel, written by Tom Hardy and Marcel. All right, so Eddie and Venom are on the run after the events of Venom let there be carnage. So they set out to

toward New York City. The Venom can see the Statue of Liberty and they can clear their name. Meanwhile, Null, who is a demonic force imprisoned by the symbiotees on a faraway planet, senses that Eddie and Venom have a codex. Now you're like, what is a codex? Well, it's a key that will free Null that was made because Eddie was killed in the first movie and then resurrected by Venom. Null sends his space dogs to chase Eddie all across this great nation.

While Eddie is running from the space dogs and dancing with Mrs. Chen in Vegas, commander Rex Strickland and Dr. Teddy Payne are. studying symbiote at Area 51. The movie ends with all the scientists from Area 51 using the symbiotes to attack Null Space Dogs, and then Venom ends up sacrificing himself in a vat of acid to defeat the space dogs and also stop Null from being freed. I will tell you that was the hardest midnight manifest I've ever tried. I was like, what happened to this movie?

That was one of the most in-depth manifest you've done in a minute. But it was very, that was true to how the movie came off. Yeah, no, that's exactly what happened. Yeah, I can tell you. there's going to be some tension in this episode right here. Jomi has a very, very, very, very visceral reaction. So he had a very visceral reaction to Vindom the Last Dance. Oh, so here's the thing, right?

There's a part of the movie where Eddie is in advance around by a family. And he's like, why? Why is this happening? Why am I here? That's why I felt watching this movie. Why? Why is any of this happening? Y'all fake.

It was, look, here's the, and we talked about this, This is the indictment of the movie. It is a tight 90 minutes. Yes, it is. Oh, this was cut to shreds. A half star just for that alone. I respect that. It is.

In and out. Right. Very, very, sorry. Very quick turnaround. Can I tell you all something? Jomi's playing her today. Yeah, no, this is. I can tell.

He left it all on the court. That's how you know how good is not right. Jomey's playing her. Jomi got the sunglasses on. You don't want to see, right. Jome be playing her today, man. Comfortable. Jomey really went out on his shield last night.

40 points, 15 boys, 7 and 6. The whole 9. The entire Jimmy Butler. The entire dog, the lights were bright and whole ringer staff was looking, bro. Take your time, brother. You got it. You got it, my man.

Take your time. So the movie is 90 minutes tight. You get literally started at 7, we're out by 8.30. Uh-huh. Right? You could cut 30 minutes out of the movie, and it'll still be fun. like I guess that's how crazy it is right it's just a lot of the stuff didn't make any sense like we're watching I was watching the final act and I was like oh this is this is it

yeah it's ending I was waiting for the movie to start when we got the third act I'm like okay like when did they get to New York once that's what I'm saying I was like oh this is the end I was like oh this is the end oh oh no I just so many things didn't make sense so many things were honestly kind of useless to a point where I'm just I literally I'm sitting there. Why is any of this happening? Why is Venom and Mrs. Chan having a too many dancing? What's going on?

I love that. But that's the Venom. That's the V. I love that. That's what they do. Yeah, but like... They take Venom, who's this big, scary, symbiate, demon, alien, and they put them in funny situations.

And it's funny to watch. They goof around. That's what the movie is. Movie didn't peek until the montage. So I'll tell you this. No. This is what I'll say. That's part of the movie.

For me, this is a classic. I'm not going to lie to have me in the first half movie. Sure. Because there was a... a point at this film where I was like, what the fuck was going on? And then it picked up. And by the end, it got me. I'm gonna be honest with it. When the Blue 5 song

started playing and they were doing the flashbacks of it. That's like, middle of the second act, I'm like, the movie fully takes control of itself and I had a lot of fun time. Stop. Stop. I did. I swear to God, I'm sorry. Whoa, this is, let's be clear. This is a terrible

movie. Boring on, I don't even know if we can call this a movie. I had a good time. No. Okay. And it was a good time. Okay. I want to actually like break this down because we've all seen all three of these movies. Yes. And I can't say that this is better than the prior to or I had more fun. It still to me doesn't work, but it's been consistent with the product that's come out pretty much every single time. That's, that this trilogy is like creatively consistent. I would say. It's begging you to not take it seriously. I know. And it's asking.

so hard. It's like the movie is taking itself so seriously that it's asking you not to take it seriously. Tom Hardy is on there, one of the finest actors in the world, and he's doing his, and he's playing it so earnestly that the movie's like, we're

winking at you, we're winking at you. So many things in the movie like are telegraphed to such a distinct degree. The Christmas lady. Oh, the Christmas shot? I'm like, I'm like, she about to be the greenie. Yeah, the Christmas lady. Like, Juno Temple's character

and the backstory that we never needed or asked for her needed. I was like, is she the villain of the movie? Why she's here? And then at the end where she becomes a super speister venom, I was like, all right, man, this movie, we don't need it. She will tell in the movie as a morally, murky, general that's in control of Area 51,

but not really in this film in like a completely different movie. You see him and you think, oh, something really is important is going to happen with this character, but then it just never kind of does. Let's also speak about null is in this movie for like five seconds.

Build as like the main threat. Doesn't even leave the soundstage. It looks like shit. No, but it's no soundstage, nigger, that's animation. That's all. Some kid in Burbank was drawing that. Yeah.

Like, it's like he... It looked good in the post credit sequence. But it was, look, did I think Noll was a scary, formidable villain? Sure, yeah. But he just sat there and just yelled. He just sat there. What do you mean? But that's the thing.

At every single turn where if we, if this were an MCU movie, clearly Null is the final boss fight at the end of this movie, but it's not. But that's what I'm saying. I'm like, oh, when does, okay, when does no show up? He doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't. Well, he's not, he's, this is the Avengers version.

This is the Avengers Thanos. debut to where he sins everybody. Nah, bro. Okay, but the way it was, I don't know how it's marketed to you guys. But I was like, yo, no, it's in the movie, man. Knows is a bad guy. He's the super. It'd be like, I want to watch Avengers Infinity War and Thanos never leave the chair.

They didn't do it like that. They absolutely did. No, they tell you this is beginning of no story. Show me, you sound like Jadaicus. It's distracting me so much. I'm telling you. Jada kiss is crazy. Chaticis.

I love it, though. I love him. I love it, though. Trix and T. Jetticus is crazy. Yeah, I love it, though. Like, I'm, I made the, I definitely made the right decision going home last night because, like, I definitely made the right decision. But I'm happy that you broke out of your shell a little bit, bro.

I did. Yeah. I'm glad that you did, man. Now, you know, we got to have up-to-the-minute stats. But to be careful, Jomi, because, you know, it is holiday season. So, they apply pressure. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

Hold on for a second. So, be careful. Yeah, first of all, you're absolutely right, by the way. She saw, she saw, she looked at, she's looking around. She was like, he's about to get a little nippy outside. I need a fucking teddy bear. Oh my God. And she knows you from the midnight boy, so she know you be kissing.

Yes. The shot is on the forehead making picnic baskets. Yeah. Here's the thing, don't bring her Thanksgiving. All right? Like, wait. Maybe wait till Christmas. She's like, where's my Yoruba bear?

Oh, my God. Oh, my. Like, where's my Yoruba bear? Oh, my God. Oh, she probably got you saved. Never mind. Speaking of situations that happened, we have to talk about something that happened at the beginning of the... Oh, my God.

Vindom screening. So, we're all together at the finish. It's like the whole ring of verse crew. Right. It was everybody. It was us. Because I want to know, I have to know your thought process here. Yeah.

So we're all... Jomi set the scene. Everybody, who's all there? May Night Boys, House of R. Ben Lindberg. for button mash. You had Miles in D.C. Arjuna. Arjuna and his

wife. Yeah. Alleyo Brian was there. We were like 12 people. Kerm didn't show up because, for whatever reason. And who was the last person who pulled up? The last one to show up was Sean Fennyson. So the last person to show up was Sean Fennacy. Sean Fennacy, who we all adore.

Nice guy. Cool. Fantastic. Sean walks up. It's like, hey, what's up with Sean? Steve starts clapping. Yeah When Sean arrived Which Which

Which enraged both me And Mallory For some reason I was like I'm looking at Steve's like No you guys got to be Like

I saw Vance face Like He's like He's like Are you clapping And then Mallory goes I'm like I'm like

Are you clapping And Mallory goes Yeah For Sean Steve What the fuck Why did you You clap for Sean to arrive.

I think it'll come to no surprise that I can be actually incredibly awkward sometimes. And when we encourage the last person that comes into a screen, like, as somebody who's often been late or the last person to show up, and everybody's like, oh, yeah, I just instinctively did that. Here's the thing, if I'm shooting Steve Ennebale, I thought I was like, maybe he's doing it just kind of like, oh, nice for you to show up, Sean. That's more or less what that was. I think that's worse.

It wasn't either It was neither It was neither like derisive nor encouraging It was just more of like Hey he showed up he's here So I'm be honest with you This is what we're going to have to do Because we've had a lot of different midnight things

That we've gone on We haven't gone back to transgressions and stuff But we are going to have to call each other out Because we all do it Like when we glaze And so so we're going to So we're going to have to do This is the Krispy Cream Award

Is that? Kris cream award is nuts Hey Yo. Crispy cream award is crazy. Kris cream award is O-D, bro. What are you? Dog, yeah.

Steve, you get the first honorary Krispy Green Award, bro. The inaugural. Crispy Cream Award. Go to sleep, Steve. And look, we all have to be able to call each other out When we crispy creaming? Yeah. When we crispy creaming?

You gotta love it, yeah. When I said last episode, that all I do is set myself up to fail socially. Yeah. Oh, my goodness gracious. I only set myself up to fail socially when I say that. Oh, shit. Hold on, first of my. Yo.

Hold on for a second, man. Oh, my God, right. Oh, shit. All right. Jesus. We love you, Steve. Here's the thing. Guys, sometimes it's hard to tell.

Everybody has glazed. I glazed the Matrix. You did. I did. Why is that kidding me? Why is that hitting me like that this morning? Oh, shit. That's how you know Venna really was a shit.

Oh, my God. this movie. Okay. So, where were we? All right. Okay, let's go to things that in the movie were kind of stupid.

Wait, do we want to do stupid or do we want to do because it's going to be a very short list. Is there anything about Venom the last dance that works? For me, I got to be honest with you. I'll be super real. When Venom died,

I was really fucking sad. I was fucked up. I was like, Like, it, it, what worked in the movie more than anything is the relationship to me between Vennam and Eddie. Well, that's the through line through all the movies, right? That's like the best part of all three movies. Yeah. To me, if that works, then the movie basically works.

So at the end, I was really emotionally invested in like Vittam and Eddie splitting apart. So my question, though, is, did No almost feel like forced into this movie where it felt like Tom Hardy and co wanted to make, yo, this is the last dance. This is Venom. This is Eddie kind of having to say goodbye. And then they have to do all this nonsense where I'm like, the movie works when it's like Eddie's in the car

and the kid gives him chocolate. And it's just like, I don't know. Why was No in this movie? To start them off for something more. I guess. That's what they said. They got four,

they got four movies or whatever they got with null to start them off for something more. And guess what? And I hope that it works out. I hope it does. My question is this with the null thing is, is no going on to become the villain? There's no Sony, Spider-Man universe, really.

Yeah. I mean, there's Madam Webb. I don't expect that we'll see Madam Webb and Morbius again, right? I mean, at this point. Sinister six, who says no? And also, well, my question, too, is I'm like, are they restarting these? Because Tom Hardy's been very much like,

this is my last Venom movie. So I'm like, does the news? person playing the new Venom, maybe Agent Venom or whatever is he going to be fucking fighting? No, because that to me is also awkward. You know what I'm saying? I thought I believe that there was an interview

that Tommy Hardy said that he would love to play Venom again. Like at any... Really? It's impossible because it's dead. I mean, that... Venom's not dead. Of course not. I thought they were making the Ted Lasson, motherfucker at the end, Venom. I thought he was about to be Venom. Yeah. Because him being in the movie

actually makes no fucking sense. Like, there's a lot of stuff that happens in the movie that kind of just happens. Wait, what was the part you laughed at where it was like the woman walks out? She's the scientist. She walks out. She's just like, say, make sure you say you love your family or whatever. And then it just cuts. Did you speak to your family lately?

Did you speak to your family lately? And it was just like, what does that mean? And then it just goes away. I'm like, yo, what the fuck is happening in the movie, man? And I wonder about whether or not this was the intended cut of the film. It couldn't be. It couldn't have been. It could have been.

But I think my major frustration, at least because there have been three of these. And I think I can speak for all this by saying that we can take something quite good out of every single one of them. And that's definitely the chemistry between Eddie and Venom. Yeah, but that's... You'd think that they would know by now to lean into that to the utmost. Hold on for a second, Joe. Just real quick. Not to cut your wisdom, Steve.

D.C. and Kai in this bitch. I mean, like, hold on for a second. Y. Y'all jump on my... Yo, Kee. Do you. Kee and Kee in this bitch. Kyle, get on you.

Hold on, hold on, you guys. I want you guys to do me a favor. Great. Steve is so intimidated by Kai. It's so weird. Oh, my God. Let's not do this. What?

Close up on Steve's face when I mentioned Kai. Oh, Steve's my God. Remember what we said that? Kai was a mixture of Steve and Jomey? You said that? No, Kai, come on. That was insane. You got to stand right here.

You got to stand right here. You got to come stand right. By the way, that was not me who said. That was me? That was definitely You got to stop on you See God

Yeah Dog Kai really is the go tanks of y'all He really is He really is The fusion dance Right This is so weird

He really is the fusion dance Between That's like Between the two of y'all Right there D.C., what's up? Real quick Before we go

D.C., your thoughts on Venom. Oh. It was a Venom movie. You know? I enjoy it. Brand opening and grand closing. Steve?

No, the fact that they don't seem to learn three movies in that the best parts of these movies are clearly Eddie and Venom. Yeah. And that they can't seem to lean in to the utmost. Like if you shaved away this B plot with that scientist, pretty much anything having to do with Chituitell Edgeyaport, and just made this a weird road trip where they're going to Area 51. don't cut away so much to every single other thing that doesn't make sense. This could have been like kind of an incredible movie. Maybe.

But it wasn't. Maybe. We didn't, we haven't talked about it. But Reese. I like that pronunciation. What? You fucked in.

You got his name. That was the type of shit that I liked. That's an ally. Saying you would tell Hedge you for a right? He did it again. Like, you hit that bitch twice. Yeah.

No, I'm the gym. Give the man his credit. Mm-hmm. A lot of people of your. Don't try. They don't even try. They don't even try. Oh, yeah.

That's Steve. It's great. Reese. Reese Ephens is in the movie. Risa Fons. Sure, whatever. He's in the movie. Clearly, I'm the one that gets names right.

Yeah, you got it. Yeah, there you go. Reese is, for everybody, Otto from House of the Dragon. Otto Houton Tower. It's in the movie. And he's just playing a father who is. Wait. Yes.

I actually have to ask Joe. Wait, what? I literally have to ask you. I'm like, yo, where do I know him from? and Joe goes, like, she was like a little disappointed. She was, how's such a drink? Like, so, he's an amazing act. Because I was just like, I had the same thing.

I was like, I know this motherfucker from somewhere. Damn. He's a fantastic actor. He's been in a lot of shit. Why is he doing this? I mean, he's having fun. I had that question. Like, as soon as I saw, say it.

Chuitell, Edge of Four. Okay. As soon as I saw him, I was like, yo, what is he doing in this movie? For real. I was like, what, why did he? I looked at Joe. Why do he take this role? I thought he was going to be the big bad.

I thought he was going to. I thought Noel was going to inhabit his body. I was like, oh, yeah. I thought no one was going to inhabit Reese Fonz. Right. So that's why I'm like, oh, he's going to be the big bad. I'm like worried about it. And then he just did dad the whole time.

Because it seems like he, because his whole thing is just like, I want to see an alien like, and have my kids do it because it's been my dream to go to area 51 and go to the, I thought they were going to become like the venom family. Like I thought the venom symbioms would have inhabited them. I want to see the little kid as a little kid as a little kid. little like instead of like sexy Baja blast symbiote

honestly I would have fucked some of the Venoms I'm not gonna lie Oh my God Let's say hey Shout out Mrs. Chen She was trying to smash Vezha Shout out to Ms. Chen

Was trying to get Venom's Yes Yeah absolutely I think Venom already laid it down You think doing they already hit Mr. Chin You think during they already hit Mr. Chin? No she wouldn't even try that hard Because Eddie was like

When y'all learned When y'all have time to learn that dance I was like damn Venom blew that back out No. That's real. That's real. So there are a lot of new symbiots in this because what happens at the end, obviously they all come together.

And that was actually fun to me. That was like, really? No. No. I like the fat venom. They had the little Christmas venom. Yeah. Yeah, like Christmas had all kinds of different, like, she was a stabby, stabby.

Oh, my gosh. Mal brought this up at the end of the we're talking about at the end of the movie. In the first movie, they're like, yo, symbiotes in the body. Like, you got to get the right host for the symbiotes.

Right? If you're not, they're going to kill you. Right? It needs to be perfect. It needs to be absolute. And in this one, they're just like throwing venom.

Everyone everywhere. Everybody getting some venom. I like that. I like, that's old superhero movie type shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? When they're like,

fuck all these rules. Like, just give them. I genuinely thought it was a cool move when Venom, like, briefly inhabited Christmas just to save him from the bullet and then immediately jumped into him. Like, that was cool. Doesn't make it again.

It's a little fun. Venom was using a bunch of different things. Venom horse, venom fog. I love Venom frog. Venom frog is great. He was on, he was the fish, and then he was popping out. I was like, guy, all right,

I'll say this. Would you rather have a movie like Joker, Folly a do? That takes itself way too seriously. I would take, without a doubt. Without a doubt. I would take 15 Venom the last day. Exactly.

Because the reality is this, man, like, you can go to Venom and if you hold on a little bit to filmmaking, you're not going to have a good time. But you just let go. If you let go a little bit, you can be like, all right, it doesn't ask a lot from you. You can literally go to the bathroom, come back, miss nothing. Yeah, it doesn't ask a lot from you. It's like, whatever. And look, something else, anybody that went into the movie and comes out and saying that's one of the worst movies I've ever seen, I get you. I understand what I mean can say that.

But at the same time, I'm sorry, man. The whole movie is based around the fact that there is this big bad for sending something to kill Venom. And Venom has to die and you have to feel bad about it and it has to build to a meet. There are so many comic book movies that we've talked about it here that in the last act, you just don't feel anything for the character. And I have to give the movie credit for the fact that, in the end, you get there with those two guys where you believe in their friendship.

I missed, at the end of the movie, I'm like, if I'm not trolling, like, the Venom movies are not great. I love them. They're entertaining. But to your point, by the end of the movie, I'm like, oh, I'm going to miss Tom Hardy and Venom. I'm going to miss these two paling around. Because there's a part of this where, like,

oh, this might have been one of the few things that Sony, for better or worse, got the most right. Yeah. In a long time? Like, the movies or just that relationship? Both. Like, they made three of them. Can you see...

A list of Sony movies recently that's been better than this. And let alone got two other sequels. That's tough. Yeah, you're right. So, Tom Hardy's 47 years old. Yeah. You could too.

So he... Damn. You look all of that, Tom Hardy. Jomi said it. Damn. All of that's 47. Jomey getting wet one time. Dang.

You go. You. All right, man. Like, he, like, he, he come back in here. He come back in here on some real god damn. harsh. That is crazy.

That's how you know, Jummy feeling himself. You're like, Tom Hardy, ugly. Tom Hardy's in him. Come back in here.

I'm going to say it's ugly. Tom Hardy. I'm just saying like, I mean, maybe it's the character of, of, Eddie. He just looks disheveled.

But I'm telling you, it's like, he's 47 years old, right? It's not ancient in terms of Hollywood. I'd be very lucky to look like that at 47. He like,

you look 13 years old. I know. Yeah. Well, you can, like, like, yeah. Like you look like you

Like you know, you'll be fine As a matter of fact Like I could stand to be aged up a bit In your 40s, yeah You might want to You know, but like you look like a child Like so yeah you'll be fine You know what that's interesting too

Because as a white As a white Yeah As a lot I didn't get many sentences As a Caucasian maybe Is white wrong? No it's just like as a white

Sounds like It sounds like It seems like as a boy black. That's not the same. True. Right. So if you were to say it like that symbiote said it.

As you went, the black one. I was dying, bro. We were laughing. The black one. They knew what they was doing. They knew what they was doing.

The hardest B I've ever heard. Steve. Steve. The hard B is crazy, bro. Oh. It's just a little bit you know podcast doesn't work without Steve. It doesn't, bro. Here's the thing.

It's been a long core week. Yeah. Everybody's like a little intro beat up. Steve is a fucking genius. Four games and five nights type of game. Like, I don't give a fuck what you guys. It's all right there. Steve's a fucking genius.

Steve is one of the best podcasts. Oh, my God. This is the most interesting. It says something and it's like innocuous, but at the same time, there's so much meat on the bottom. Nah, I think you guys are correct. I think it didn't hit the same for me. Because I'm wise, movie.

I'm like, this entire thing is dumb. But the crux of it, the emotional part, where Venom is sacrificing himself, and we know that their bond, their bond is so special that even though Venom's dying, and he's still going to go to New York to see the Statue of Liberty, I'm not going to lie to you. It works.

I was getting trouble with it, but I was like... And Venom becomes a hero in this movie. Venom finally becomes someone that saves innocent, the lethal protector, that Venom had set out to be, Venom becomes that lethal protector in this movie. So my question, though, is by the end of this movie, I've started thinking,

is this one of the worst superhero movie years in recent memory? Movies wise? Just in turn, like. Yeah. We had the list. We saw the. So it's been Deadpool and Wolverine, Madame Webb.

Madam Webb. Damn, Madam Webb was this year? Joker, for all you do. Hellboy. The Crow. Yeah. Right. I think, let's loosely categorize the crow as a superhero movie.

What's a comic book movie? It's a comic movie. Yeah, yeah. Right? It's been like what are the, what the Rotter Tomato scores? Madam Webb 11, Deppo to Wolverine, 78, the crow, 30 or 23, Hellboy, the Crooked Man, 41. You guys, the crow's terrible.

Joker 2, 32. Venom of the Last Dance, 37. Yeah. Um, yeah, so sure. But like, it, it, it's, it definitely is. Have we forgotten how to make these? Because like, if you take Joker and you take Venom and you take Deadpool and Wolverine, I think they all kind of have similar problems and they all deal with them in different ways.

I think there's just not enough story in any of those movies. And the way Deadpool and Wolverine does it is like, yo, we're going to get someone like Hugh Jackman and we're going to throw in a lot of cameos and we're going to do something very, like, nostalgic to fix this. Joker just doesn't give a fuck. Clearly. But venom, they're like, it is what it is. New segment idea. Okay.

Bail or jail. Are we shooting something bail or are we putting it in jail? And let me tell you why I would be tempted to shoot this year of superhero movies bail. Okay. Because of two things. Obviously the strike. Right. obviously the strike

probably had something to do with the production of some of these movies and not just the production of the movies themselves, but about the schedule that we got for some of these movies. 2025 looks to be and boy, if 2025 fails, is it fucking over. 20205 is the most probably

pivotal year. Because it's Fantastic Four. Thunderbolts, Captain America, Superman. And I'm forgetting a bunch of shit. There might be some more. Yeah, I can't even think about what's on there. Somebody looked that up for us to see what's on a slate for 2025 in terms of what. So if I was going to shoot some bail, I would say that the dysfunction in the town all of last year, what people were able to do. I mean, at some points, they weren't even able to improv on people were wondering if improvving was actually writing.

And that slowed down the production of Deppool or whatever. Bail or jail for 2024 in terms of being a superhero movie. It is objectively a bad year. Yeah. Are you shooting it bail or are you putting a year in jail? I'm gonna shoot it some bail. I think to your point, the strikes, like kind of messed up a lot in Hollywood. And while I've never really enjoyed any of the Sony movies, this is normal.

This is regular day. We still have Craven left, so we'll see what that looks like. But yeah, the strikes kind of set a tone. And even when we were talking about House of the Dragon and how people are pulling back money and all the stuff. It's just not the same Hollywood we're used to. I also think it's not just the strike. I think that's probably the most important

part, but I think this year was the last year of the old way of doing these movies. Where it's just like I think places like the MCU especially were writing so high that everybody was getting a series. We got Echo, we got Agatha, we got

Moon Night, this and that. And I think now they're like, oh, Disney Plus that strategy isn't what we thought it would be. I agree with you. Can I ask you a question now? Yeah. Is it the last of the old way or the last of the new way?

Are they going back to the old way? Yeah, you're right. I think Marvel, even Star Wars, a lot of these places are like, dog, these TV shows are kind of eroding away at the brand. These are movies. I agree. We need to, because I think they honestly, some of these movies have felt like they've forgotten how important the theatrical experience.

is when I go to see some of these movies, I'm like, I don't want it to feel like the TV shows. I want this to feel like something where I can remember where I was in Infinity War or for no way home or even like Winter Soldier. And it's like, I'll be honest. And this is probably the strike part of it. This movie felt very, very small.

It was like most of this stuff was like, there weren't a lot of people. It was Venom, the family in the desert running. Even when there was like the soldiers hunting down Venom, it was like four guys. I was just like, I didn't see so much as a crowd in this movie. Yeah, like what? Maybe in Las Vegas?

I love an Osprey, by the way. I love like a helicopter. A helicopter with everybody hanging from it. Whenever they do that. Yeah, it looks neat. Oh, wait, what Captain America movie was it? It's my favorite opening when he's like, he's jumping out of the fucking plane. Dog.

I love a fucking. Oh, yeah, winter. Yeah, winter. Yeah, that's right. The hell, no, because I'm thinking of the scene. They'll get there. Jone and the explainer, bro. I'm thinking of the scene.

No, hold on, hold on. I'm thinking of the scene in Civil War when he's holding the helicopter. Oh, he's bicep curling the helicopter. Which is insane, by the way. It's a great, it's a great scene. You can't do that. That's not what Cap D. did you do.

Not in the comics. See, what do you think, bail or jail? It's the last possible time to shoot at bail. Like. After Craven. Yeah, after Craven. But no, this is the last possible year that I could shoot, like, the entire, like, industrial complex of superhero movies bail.

Because if they don't find a way to course correct, I think that the idea that the market needs to shift away from stuff like this and onto whatever it is now, video games, be it more YA book adaptations or something. Like, it feels like the walls are closing in just

a tiny bit so that they can get... Like 2025 has to put some oxygen in the... I think... Interesting concept. Real quick. Real quick. Kastanova. What replaces the superhero movie if it leaves popular culture as the tent pole action film?

I think easily it's video games now. For sure. Video game movies? Yes. Video game movies, for sure. That's what replaces the superhero movie. You can see, I can easily see that happening. I don't know if it's going to, like, I don't know what it looks like to have like a sort of umbrella of IP around those things because the interconnectivity of what made the

MCU successful was that in an episode. You don't have an intense track record of those movies being successful. don't, but we have a lot more better ones than we've ever had before, be it the last of us, be it Super Mario, like the waters are getting tested and it's getting to be a lot more successful. Sonic. Sonic is, yes. You want to know weirdly. We got the Minecraft movie coming out next year.

That regardless of how good that's going to be that, we'll make Buku money. I just want you to know those movies, here's a deal. And I'm not, I'm just playing a little devil's advocate. When they fail, they fail. because they are so expensive. Yes, and that's the thing. I think that once they try to figure out the overall price tag

of what either could make a good one or makes a profitable one, I think that's when we're going to see them churned out a lot more. Because you get a borderlands, you get, I'm going to lump Minecraft in here until proven otherwise, but there's been a lot of more borderlands

and Assassin's Creed adaptations that have failed miserably and then we never see them again because we don't actually realize that they actually realize that they actually happened. But once we have like a Last of Us season two,

Warcraft, all those things. I'm talking about Warcraft. But that bomb and we wouldn't going to see it. But if it was successful, we'd have had five of them by now. Me?

I mean, my thing is, and we talked about like, you know, putting the TV shows on streamers and going back to theaters, I think what occurred was that in 2020, 2019,

2020, pandemic hit everybody's at home. The streamer said, bet, we're just going to put all our money. of Disney Plus, HP everybody. And for the MC specifically, they're like, oh, this Disney Plus thing.

Let's put all this bunch of stuff on the site. At this point, we're reached like a level of saturation where like nobody's subscribing. Like they're not out here gaining subscribers anymore. Right? So there's no real need to, all right, let's make this show for Disney Plus. You're making things for equity and value ads

to keep people there rather than to gain new people. But the entire business model is. gain subscribers. That's the entire thing. And once you hit that saturation point, it's going to be useless. Yeah, that's why Netflix doesn't renew shows after two seasons because,

oh, this show's no longer gaining subscribers. There's no need for it. Yeah. Right? And at this point, there's no more subscribers to gain. Do you think that with superhero movies, it's more a case of like the market cannot support this many,

where it might be like we go back to the days where people might only have the appetite for two MCU movies and one DC movie versus what we've got. which is like at its peak the MCU was released in three or four movies and then there was Disney plus shows and all this shit where I'm like people might just want Batman movies X-Men movies movies. Can we let DC, we got DC?

That's a good question. Can we let DC answer? What do you think? I mean, I think just building off of this whole conversation too, I mean, I think next year is going to be a huge turning point because we have both DC and Marvel reaching these moments where it's like for DC the new James Gunn. like it really depends on how everything goes under James Gun, I think, for DC. Like, Superman's coming out next summer.

And if Superman flops, like, it might be, I mean, I don't know. There's a lot to say about Superman as a character, whether he can work in 2025. But if that movie fails, Fantastic Four, you know, like with Marvel really turning in that corner, like, can Fantastic Four? Can the X-Men save the MCU? Like, you know, with Deadpool and Wolverine, obviously they're leaning on all of the nostalgia. But if we're bringing in, like, a whole new cast for Fantastic Four, we're going with a whole new only universe for DC and those first movies fell

I think then then we're seriously at the end of it we've been talking for years about the fall of the superhero movies and they're still here we're still, you know they're still turning them out

like you know we still got Captain America next year as well I don't know it's a long I think it's a long road to Fantastic Four yeah but I also think

like people are also going to the theaters anymore right it's expensive this and this yeah no no I mean yeah we've had like some boons but like, so for example, like Wild Robot was in theaters.

I know you saw it. Yeah. It was beautiful. And then it's out at home in like six weeks. Right. People are like, why about going to the movies when the movie gonna come to the crib in a month?

But it's also the profitability of a movie that like costs $200 million. But that's different. Let's reset real quick because on the superhero situation, and this is what I'll say. Everything that we're talking about also has to do with the audience, the accessibility of the characters

to the audience, right? You start off, you have all of these different Marvel, because let's take the MCU as the birth of the modern superhero movie. Let's forget about Spider-Man and even Blade and even Batman and all of that stuff, even The Dark Night, because those movies didn't ask anything from the audience

except for to watch the movie that they're watching. You can watch Spider-Man 2 and not have seen Spider-Man 1, right? You can watch Spider-Man 3 and not have seen... those are all pretty self-contained movies, right? The Dark Night, exactly the same, right? It helps to see the movies before,

but those are self-contained movies. The MCU is actually the first experience, to me, in comic book filmmaking where they gave you movies that were essentially issues. Yeah, yeah. And so as much as we've talked about it here, they always try to catch you up in the movie.

They do. Even Venom starts, with being like an Infinity War joke about Thanos and I'm just like most people in this movie I'm like that shit came out what six, seven years ago? I was like, what it was? And I'm tired of the multiverse. And there and there and so,

but it got to a point to where people were trepidacious about going into the movies because they didn't know if they had to watch everything else. Yeah. And if you have to ask yourself a question before you enter into a movie, it's always a little bit of a harder sell. Right.

Well, people go, hey, because there's a choice of films that you have to watch, right? And people are going, do I see this or do I see this? And then they go, well, do I have to see everything else for this to make sense to me? And then our answer to that question is always yes and no. You're going to enjoy it more of you. And then they go, okay, well, I won't watch it then. And so what happens is the more comic book you get, the more you lose the excitement of the casual viewer because when

me and my friends were sitting around talking about these comic book runs and all of this stuff, to the people that were outside of the conversation, we were speaking a fucking different language. Even if they heard things that they understood like Wolverine, like Magneto, like this, they hear, oh, Magneto's children, these are his kids. No, these

are his kids. No, this is the thing. No more mutants. All the mutants are dead. And they're like, God, damn, this much is going on. It feels inaccessible. I think they got to the point. I think they got to the of that and they thought that more they could fill in people's gaps with the shows and the appetite just wasn't there. So the question is, if they do, if they bring it back and do it less, can they have, and do a little bit less, yes, I say, can they have stories that are as big as Infinity

War and Endgame without asking everybody to invest into all of these different movies and properties like this? So hot take, they can't do this because they're already on track. but this happens historically in comics with Crisis on Infinite Earth, Secret War, where it's like the mythos, the like long-running story

gets to be too much. And then they're like, we rebooting number one to try to get people back. That's Secret Wars though. Yeah. Is there a world, but is there a world

where they're like, I don't know if the appetite for these movies can sustain until like two Avengers movies and then we're starting over. Is there a world where like Kevin Feig would be like,

hey man, fuck it. You're not releasing any. We start with X-Men. You don't got to see anything more. Like, there's no... Because, like, at this point... That's what they should have done.

That's what they will do, I think. Yeah, but here's the thing to get there. To get there. Would it be too late? I don't know. I don't think... I think the X-Men are so popular. I think we'll be...

I think in 25 years... God damn, I'm going to be old. But I think in 25 years, we'll be taking our kids to see X-Men. I think the X-Men are like Batman. I think they'll be always... No, the X-Men movies are going to do well. It's more so I'm like... Even, I think, honestly, the reason Superman is probably going to do better than we're expecting is because it's like, oh, you only need to see one movie.

Like, people are going, I think people have an appetite for something new. And with the MCU, I'm like, guys, we don't have to keep continuing this version of the story. Y'all can just start over. I wouldn't mind. That's why Fantastic Four is such a big deal. We'll come back to Venom right after this, but I think that's why the Fantastic Four is such a big deal. Fantastic Four and Superman actually are operating with sort of the same. they're going to be answering the same questions.

Fantastic Four are not as popular characters as Superman as they're not, right? However, but they're very familiar characters. Stretchy guy, Invisible Lady, Rockman, Flame Dude. People know them. That's her names, actually. There you go. Nailed it. Can those characters be recreated and reimagined in a way that makes people intrigued by them?

can you do something with the Fantastic Four to make them spiffier and shinier than what we've seen the last couple of times they've done them? Can you do that in the hands with the right filmmakers, with the right budgets, with the right creative mandate?

Same thing with Superman. We know Superman. Green Rock, bad. Krypton, dead. White man, fly. Roll credits. Can you do that in a way that inspires people again?

those two questions being answered like I mean can Captain America be black is also a pretty fucking compelling question as well those questions being answered next year is going to give us a lot of information Yeah but here's the thing

the reason I'm worried about something like a Captain America is I'm like it's the burden of being the fourth movie is like when the original Captain America he didn't have to contend with the fucking eternal coming out of the fucking sea and all this other bullshit

where I'm just like I feel like a black Captain America works better if I'm like, oh no, he gets to start over new where it's just like he doesn't, we don't have to keep like referencing a bunch of bullshit. So I guess the question that you're asking is do you believe in him? There's a thing.

He might not believe in me, but I believe in him. He's never getting that apology to it. All right. The year ago and experience. Charles, you have this in a document. So you tell us. Oh, no.

Steve put this in the document. I had a point. Oh, no. Yeah, this was a lead-up to my clapping story. Oh, the clapping story. We already got to it, though. We had a great time to the theater, though. Guys, I enjoy, I'm realizing I enjoy bad superhero movies more than I enjoy mediocre superhero movies.

Oh, my God. You just want to be incited. That's your thing. You just need to be, you don't like the middle. And I think people don't understand that about you. You just need to, if, like, you're like my brother. And my brother Lord of the Rings brother

Yeah My brother used to be like Hey man I either need the girl To slash my tires Yep What? To be deep in love

Yep I don't He was like He would be like These regular chicks Just we have No so you just can't be comfortable Carve away at your soul

That's his thing You can't be comfortable You can't keep on your toes I mean that's his thing He was like Movies in love Are a little different He was like

He was like He was like I need either Either to get my tires Slash Or I need to be like I can't do nothing But think but he's like that little in the middle stuff where it was like yeah I can see he don't like he don't like I think my thing is like perfect example I expected did I ask y'all niggas to like agree with my brother I didn't see got his own shit clearly yes you know what I'm saying clap for man you clap for Sean clap for you I can't I can't really endorse that

Jesus Christ I love you gee it's my God um but but anyway no I was gonna say I'm like I expect more to use another metaphor it's like school I expect more from the deadpool a Wolverine kid. I'm just like, you go on places. Vatham, I'm like, you ain't getting out of the church to do something. That's insane. That's how I know. That's, bro, I'm so glad you, because I used to hate teachers like that. Teachers, I'd be like, hey, man, he just did that too.

Man, where do you think that kid's going? That's really how we're talking about. Shut out, Mr. Campanella. I never forget it. Man, I don't care what he does. I care what you do. Oh, so he's just like, fuck this, nigga. I've judged you when you say that.

I judge you. I hate that. I hated that. It's a really... The guy's the thing to make him be like, you shouldn't care what he does. That's what they should say. The coldest one ever.

I'm not going to mention the teacher because he's still worse there. It's like, so I have a bull's cap on, like a Bulls... Chicago Bulls. Yeah, Chicago Bulls Scully. And you couldn't wear it indoors. Like, at McKinley, you have to take your shit off.

And so I'm... But the thing was to try to wear it indoors if you could. Right. Get away with it. If you can get away with it. So I'm in the class. I got my shit on the whole nine.

You're supposed to take it off, right? I got my shit on the whole nine or whatever. And Mr. Brees. For whatever reason, did you ever have it where y'all principal would just like, damn, I say this name?

You definitely. Like, bleep his name. Did y'all ever have it where y'all would just like walk around and just like. Yeah, Rome. A lot of times it would be in the classes where you know, man, he's a bad kid. He's making sure y'all like,

you're not acting up. And so he just roaming around doing this thing. And I got my shit on and I'm talking to somebody. And when I turn around, I see him. And I'm like, fuck. And I know I don't have it anymore. I know because he's going. Right.

I know it's going. Yeah. Right. And so I was like, I hated that shit. Give it to me. And I'm like, yo, I see other, like my boy, Greg. Greg be wearing his shit all the time. He's like, Van.

let me tell you what's going to happen to you this is so cold, I never forget this. Van let me tell you's going to happen to you. One day, a couple years, you're going to wake up, and Greg's going to be dead. What? I'm like, what?

He's like, you're going to get it. The news is going to be on the news, or y'all going to be somewhere, and y'all going to be like, God damn, what happened to Greg? And he said, he's dead. Is that it? And I'm like, yeah, man, take the hat.

I'm like, I'm like, yeah, take the hat. He's like, all right, right? So I don't, I don't want to hear you mention little people around here no more. Don't do that. Right? Give me the fucking hat. I'm going to call your daddy, by the way. Is Greg alive?

He is. Hell yeah. With a fucking family. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah, Greg. He is. With a family, went to jail for five years.

But that's okay. That's okay Very happy Got a family Whole nine Doing great I saw on the last time I was in Baton Rouge

Hell yeah The whole thing Owns his own Like car wash Business Oh great Oh Like a mobile car wash

Business He should go back to the principal Would be like You like believe Exactly Like I was They're happy The same

I was like yeah But I was trying to do My little thing I don't know How we got on that But Midnight Me

Let's do the minute Yeah. Chuck. All right, midnight meter. Y'all know what it is. One to 12. One being the worst. 11 and 12 reserve for true, true game changers.

Let's go. Counterclockwise. Okay. I cannot. So I enjoyed the movie. Right. Like I have fun. I can't go higher than six, though.

Okay. I can't go higher than six. Because it's like, it's, it, I wanted to talk myself in the seven so bad. No, no, you can't do it. I want to talk myself in the seven so bad. You can't do that. But I can't do that. I can't go higher than six. I have fun.

Sure. Been on the last day. This is a loving six. A loving six. With all the love in my heart. Yeah, I can't go higher than six. I got to give it four. I didn't have as much fun as you guys did clearly. Like, I did enjoy the Eddie

Venom relationship. But then when they was out there dancing and doing anything, I was like, it's not going to be there for me. So I got to give it four. It's a five with me for like a smile on my face. Like, it didn't work. But I, I, I was entertained. And I can really, really

respect it. This was a girl slashing your tires. This is six. You know what I'm saying? We had fun out. It was like was worth it in the end? Probably not. But the journey was fun. That's, I really don't. Guys, D.C. I'd say like I'm a five. And I think a lot of that, honestly, is just being

out here, seeing it with you guys was fun. Like, you know, just the big... If I had seen that in the New York theater alone, I'd probably be like, that's like a two. I really had to go to that. But no, seeing it seen it out there, like, I sat next to Miles Surrey, big, big Venom fan. I like Miles.

Miles, my boy. Miles is the guy. Miles is cool. Miles is cool. Let me ask you guys a question. So it is October. A couple of weeks, I have a feeling that the joy is going to come to an end. Can you stop putting that in the fucking air, bro?

Who's that? What are you talking about? All right? I can tell you guys. I got to stop looking at the polls. Yeah, y'all not locked in. All right. We can't.

All right, let's not talk about that. What are, going for or we're going into the fall, which is normally a great time for the midnight boys, what are we looking forward to in the fall? We got midnight mulligan's coming up. We got Craven coming up. Skeleton crew. Skeleton crew coming up.

We got a big gladiator too. We got a big draft. Hey, I'll tell you all something about gladiator too, man. The streets is talking. There's a lot of gladiator, too. discourse going on. They're saying Denzel might get that Oscar. They're saying Denzel in his Morgan Freeman era right now.

All right. That is a wrap on Friday turning into new episodes of House of R. Later today, House of R will have their Acatha Deep Dive for you. Interesting. Also next week we'll have button mash, more Midnight Boys, Ringiverse recommends, and Mint Vimber. Mint Vember.

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Boo! Also, can we be real? Like, I don't know if you could talk about this, but why is Denzel so loving with his white sons? When it comes to his real sons, he don't. It's great question. What? It's true. It's great question.

I don't know. I ain't never seen him in the same room. Do you think, do you think Denzel saw how people doing LeBron and Bronny's like, dog, it's for your own good? I really have no clue. Denzel's progeny, his children are fucking. Cooking. Talented. The lady's name is Paulette.

No, what's the, no, what's his daughter's name? Somebody, she was in Amherga. Great in him. Yeah. His son just directed. The August Wilson, the piano teacher. Elevian Watson. Olivia Washington.

Pauletta is the wife. Okay. The piano teacher movie and then John David is legitimately a Hollywood star. I don't know. But I can't. I will say this, though, I can imagine it would have been tough being Denzel's kid. Because Denzel has a very matter of fact, no nonsense way of speaking and talking that if he's talking to like his kids, I don't know nothing about these people's family or nothing like that. Love and light to all of them.

Anyone that I've ever shared space with has been a cool person. But I can imagine that maybe you feel a little pressure being Denzel. I don't know, but he was talking about Paul Miscala and he's just like, yeah, you know, I'm like a proud father. I'm like, you're an actual father. Jesus Christ. I love Joe Zelle. He's the goat, bro. These next two months are going to be fun, man.