The Ringer-Verse - 'Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes' Instant Reactions | Midnight Boys

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

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Why? The Midnight boys break down the season finale of X-Men 97. But do you know what we do on today's show? Today we head back

to the dystopian future earth where the apes have taken over and we give you our instant reaction to kingdom of the planet of the apes. Steve, spoiler warning, please. We're getting ready to talk about apes together strong.

You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, to begin our reactions, We have to put you in a note. The only way to do that is the Midnight Manifest. The only person who can do that is Chuck Wack. All right. This is your Midnight Manifest for Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, directed by West Bell,

starring Ointee, Freda Allen, Kevin Durand, Peter Mackin. We begin 300 years after War for the Planet of the Apes. There are new apes that have taken over the world. We begin with Noah, who is in charge of the Eagle Clan, and his life is turned upside down. when a man going by Proximus Caesar sends his apes to attack, and we learned that Proxumus Caesar is trying to get weapons at the technology that the humans left over, and Noah, along with a new ape called Raka,

and a human named May, basically have to go save the Eagle Clan from Proxmiss Caesar and figure out what to do with the leftover human technology that the dead humans have no need for anymore. been your midnight manifest for War of the Planet of the Eighth. No, kingdom of the planet of the eight. Guys, honestly, it's a lot of names. It's a lot of names.

I gotta be real with the audience real quick. Usually, I'm a midnight boy. That's what I do. But the Drake and fucking Kendrick beat fucked up my week, bro. Yeah. It's just, I don't have time for the nerd shit.

You've been doing a lot. You've been doing a lot. You've been doing a lot. I know, whoa, whoa, whoa. Then? If anybody's been doing a lot in this beef. It's not A.

It's you. Don't call my phone. That's all I'm telling the people. Don't have to be. No, no, no. Any more streams you're going to be guessed on? Don't call my phone. Charles, it's your reactions.

Kingdom of Playing 8. Honestly, even when this was announced, I was like, what is there left in this world? And so I would, like, I just really was just like a seat. I asked that every morning. Yeah, like, season. Caesar was such a good protagonist, and those movies... It was one of the best.

Those movies honestly outperformed, and I'm not even talking financially, just creatively, what I thought those movies could be. So I think Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes kind of had to prove why it deserves to exist. So I definitely went to the movie theater kind of being like, all right, what is this?

And I was charmed. It's not a perfect movie, but I was like, Noah as a character was very interesting, setting it 300 years later. Van said something kind of, when we got out of it where I had a similar feeling of sometimes these movies have so much

fucking baggage and they have so much lore and definitely the Apes films have that but I liked Kingdom The Apes being a smaller film about Noah, about the Eagle clan. I think the commercials made me think oh this is going to be a huge, huge movie and no they keep it very

very intimate but yeah fuck that white woman but we'll get to that later. Mint boys. Get you guys in early. I loved it. I think this was great. The Andy Circus trilogy of the Apes Films are... It's probably one of my favorite trilogies of science fiction in a very, very, very long time.

And I'm a big fan of just Planet of the Apes in general. I love this property. Even the dumb ones, I love them. And when I saw this, I was like, okay, so they're probably going to try to recreate the magic of the Andy Circus ones while still being a bit more of doing its own thing. And I was, like you, Charles, I was charmed. I was, like, really impressed with how they didn't quite get to the, like, grit and edge that the circus trilogy had.

But this had a very interesting and captivating adventure for one ape that was very very compelling and had some of those great, like, tender moments that a lot of those apes films had. I was wildly impressed. Caesar, oh, I'll come to it. second. Jome? I thought this movie was really, really well done. I was like you guys, I was coming in like not really, it's like, all right, cool. How do they, how do they move on from Caesar? Like, what's, how do they, how do they do that? And I think this movie did a really good job of putting this in a,

in a different world with different characters and people we have, we've never seen before, and still making it feel as if we were back and watching the first one with how, like, how much Caesar was referenced in the entire thing. I think, the highlight for me was the villain proximate Caesar. Kevin Durand was great as the villain. Yeah, fuck that white woman. But the movie on its own merit stands up, and it's really, really good. Caesar was not an underdog by the time we got to.

He was the ruler. I think it was a very smart decision to make this one an underdog story. A story of someone who is caught up in, who was an abe. and caught up in the world of apes, the power struggle amongst apes. In this movie, they did something really interesting, which they gave human characteristics

to the bad apes. Yes. So the eagle clan, they are living symbiotic with their world, right? They are using eagles. They are fishing. They are living off the land. They have a sense of,

of community. They seem to have these rights of passage. It seems like something where people are trying to worry together. The kingdom that we wills the the bad ape. Proximate Caesar. So when you get to them, the first thing you see is they're using technology.

They are. They have the cattle prods. They have the cattle prods that they're using technology. And because they need, because they have technology, they need other things that humans have always had. They need exploitation. They need slave labor to power this technology.

They're also trying to get literally to the bad parts of humanity, which is to get two weapons, get to tanks and guns and all kinds of stuff like that. They're trying to dominate in the same way that man dominated. That's what they're trying to do. They're taking on the worst traits of men, and they're using the other apes to do that. So what they've always been able to do in this

is to make you in the Planet of apes movies is to make you think about just how much you want these apes to actually take over the world because once they do take over the world, they will become the thing that everyone does become when they achieve dominance. And that's what you saw. You saw the evolution

of that. You saw them getting further away from Caesar. Caesar's more like a God figure now. Like he's a Jesus figure now. Like he's not there to steady them anymore. And even the perversion of the apes together thing, the guy says apes together. We can open this door together. We can do this together while he's subjugating them.

They actually aren't together. So I just thought it was very interesting in the movie when I watched the movie, that it's like really a battle between what we think we are and the worst parts of humanity that got the whole world into this problem in the first place. I mean, I think also a really smart choice that they make is that in those films with Caesar, of course, the apes are learning language, but even 300 years later, they don't have recorded history as much. This has all been passed down. So that's very much how human history has worked,

where it's like it's not until you get, you can mass produce books and you have people who are literate and can read that people can start being like, all right, this happened, did it, da, da. If you're just passing stuff around with language, someone like Proximus can come in and be like, I can use Caesar and our views of him in any way I want.

I can twist his slogans. I can twist his worldview to gain. And I was like, that's really, really interesting because I'm like, oh, even though these apes are smarter than humans, they still have not gotten back to where we were as a society. And that's even interesting because by the end of this movie, when Noah goes from the underdog to obviously what is Proxmus saying the whole time, you're a clever ape, you're a clever ape. You realize like, wait, is this going to be a story about how Noah gets? perverted, how he, how ruling these apes takes a toll on someone. Because even with

proxies, it was like, he was a dick and he was subjugating these apes, but he was not wrong about the fact that we can't trust these humans. Right. Like at every, because at every point he was just like, he was a dick, but he's always like, bro, dude, she's lying to you. They lie. Do not listen to them. And by the end of the movie, I was like, damn, I'm glad you got him out here, but no, I hope you learned a good lesson.

When a woman, when you give this white woman food, your mom's blanket, and she stabs you in the back not once, not twice three times, maybe you should be like, hey, man, humans, I don't know. And that's what I liked about the idea of politics, ape politics, when it comes to Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, because 300 years is enough time, like, what I wanted for a sequel to these trilogies was like the idea that apes have advanced to a society to where like they're speaking like you and I are speaking right now. And they're like standing upright and they're wearing clothes and they have buildings and their own society.

But here is this still interesting proto idea where they're just starting to touch philosophy. Yeah. They're just starting to touch like political ideals in the smallest of ways where somebody like Proximus uses the idea of Caesar for, his own gains, but like, we all have to agree, humans are bad. And by the time that like we get to like the Charlton Heston era of like humans just being mute and the equivalent of apes now or animals now, all of apes have kind of achieved world peace. And there's this infighting that you see in this movie. And there's these like philosophical ideas where like, okay, Noah comes from a tribe where

they don't read or speak or have these types of like, they're an insular tribe. and Proxima's and They definitely do speak They do speak But like you can you can tell that Proxima's tribe was like Way more like a league up in like the way that they spoke Above him above him above Noah They were speaking a lot more coherently and a lot more like

Maybe I might have missed that yeah And sorry I'm gonna forget Rocka like clearly read his whole life Well he was a librarian A lot more rocked in A librarian like speaking very fluently. And it's clear that there are still pockets of ape

culture that are isolated from each other and there's no actual unity when it comes to those sort of things. Nobody doesn't even know about like when he looks through the telescope you're like oh, they're not advanced enough to even be thinking about like wait, what's out there besides apes?

And they're even twisting the idea that apes and humans used to coexist. Yeah. And they don't know that yet. Shocked them. I mean, yeah. It's been 300 years, man. He just... Exactly. But to know that

that history is more or less lost. For them to start going to space, it's probably, it took us a while. No, I get that. But he doesn't even, like, he's looking through the telescope. I'm like, motherfucker, did you not see the star? He's like, what? There's light in this thing.

And I'm like, oh, shit, he didn't go to kindergarten, he doesn't. But that's the thing. There were pockets of ape culture that are still... What? Guys. He didn't go to kindergarten. No, they didn't. You got to get a cut it.

You would have thought, you would be like, oh, we got to educate our apes. We got our public schools. No, the Eagle Clan, if we being real. But they are educated. They're educated in what it is that they do. Yeah, no, no, no, no. But let's be clear. They have technology.

They've built a bunch of things. No, but no one says it to his little shoddy. He's like, he's like, yo, they was lying to us. Like, they didn't call echoes. Like, they didn't, like, at some point, they, the elders decided we don't. want them to know their history. I should say something real quick. When I said that Proxima's Trub uses technology,

Noah's Trubb uses technology as well. Yes. They had, the difference is Proxima's Trop had, they weaponized their technology. And they co-opted old technology that they wanted to take from humans. And they have electricity and explosives and other things. Technology is also the ability to build the pulleys that they had.

Right. And the built the dams. And all the stuff that they had going on. The bridges and all that stuff. They were definitely using technology just not technology to dominate one another, which this is why I was trying to get to. But you were saying, Charles? No, and I think, but I think the interesting thing is that, like, you can tell that West Bell, everybody, the creators of this, like, when we meet Noah, they introduce the fact that, like, Noah, like Caesar is a little bit different from everybody else.

Like, to Van, your point, he is using technology. When he meets his mom, and he's like, the drawing fish thing is broken. He's like, that's broken. and he goes to fix it and you're just like, oh. Yeah. Or when he's fiddling with the cattle prod, I was like, why does he keep fiddling with this thing? And what I didn't realize.

He's smart. He's smart and he can fix it. And I'm like, a lot of the apes in Proximus camp can't do that. Can't do that. And that's why Proximus is like, clever. And it's also a great way of world building to show that like, okay, there are slow and small pockets of apes that are born

that are just mentally evolving faster than other apes. And it also is illustrated. Different levels of intelligence, yeah. Yeah, and it also is illustrated in the de-evolution of humans where you see May who's pretending to be this sort of like proto-human that doesn't speak or doesn't like have all of these things. And we're like we were scratching our heads for like about a good half of the movie. I mean like, like, why is she so clean?

I like that. And I like that because whenever we see promos for this and we see May, we're like, okay, well, if she's just like a dirty human that's living like off the land, like she shouldn't look like that. I was like, why she looks so good? Yeah. Why did she look so clean? I still feel like she, that actress had too much movie, movie actress.

We called an iPhone face. Yeah, where I was just like, that don't look like somebody who's been like struggling, you know, out in the fucking jungle and shit. Part of the movie, right? Yes. Because, you know, she shows up and we're like, oh, she's one of the proto humans. Oh, no, she can talk. But in a movie, we're like, oh, no, she was an agent sent out by some people to go from that drive.

And that is fascinating. She's not a proto human, but they fucking got a Sephora? like she didn't know No I'm just being for a little When he was like Hey you take a shower I'm like does she need one? Yeah it's like

No she's not one of them I get it but Nick you're gonna be a little dirty bro Like you live outside Like what the fuck is going on Even at the end of the movie They wouldn't let her into the thing Where they're all got

They got technology inside I'm sure they got I wonder even for those people Are they just inside the thing At the end of the movie Are they just eating MREs for like 400 years, they don't have to go outside

to get fucking plants and shit. They probably go outside in a sustaining thing. Why would you go outside in a hazmat suit and eat something from a fucking land that you don't feel

comfortable enough to even be outside of a hazmat suit? Are you planting inside there? Where's the farm? I was asking the questions. Chickens,

where's the farm animals, the cows? I'm like, the cows would, the humans are on their way out anyway. We know this. Yeah. There was a lot of questions.

That's not true. they called for Indiana at the end of the movie No I know that So what are you talking about? I'm talking about I'm talking about intelligent humans Are on their way out

Wait I have to ask another question Satellites I get that Where did all If we're in North America Where did all these apes come What do they mean? They came from the zoo That's why it's Caesar

They came from the zoo Yeah In zoos So that's in the first movie No no but how did they make it So you're telling me They fucked No a bunch of apes

No a bunch of apes traveled to like, are they're apes in like New Jersey now? Like, yes. I mean. Like how many? Like, I'm like, did they have to read over the 300 years? Did enough apes reproduce enough times? Because like even... Well, you're acting like

the entire world is this way when it's more like probably pockets of tribes that are like scattered throughout. So the Eastern Seaboard might be better off. Could be. That's what she said. She said she was, they were trying to get to a human enclave. They were traveling. So there are different human enclaves around where it might be less api.

for humans is not that it was not that long for us to travel, you know what I'm saying? And the virus is also apparently still out there. Yeah. So the virus will still cold the human population. It'll get you. Whereas it doesn't affect the apes. And even if there are pockets of human immunity amongst it,

this is probably setting, teeing up an idea that there's going to be like one final war between humans and apes. True. That are going to be like taking, like, in their quest for dominance that are probably going to wipe out a vast majority of the intelligent humans left, and then the other humans that are more or less, like, recessed to animalistic tendencies are just going to be out there. Because if we use the backbone of the Charlton Heston 60s one to be like, okay, well, humans are more or less just animals now, like, you see echoes of that now.

I mean, but there aren't that many, there aren't that many apes, though. He's like, even in this movie, like, they were like, there's a lot of AIDS. Because they were like, this is the kingdom of the apes. And I'm like, motherfucker, this is a small town. No, that's the... That's just a small town. He's talking about...

In the other movie, Caesar, does Caesar not... In the first movie, does Caesar not take, like, a bunch of fucking apes and take them to the woods? Yeah.

Yeah, so they, like, he... He takes them to the woods near... San Francisco. Interesting, you say that. Continue. I don't know. We're going to get into this, man.

Jome is on his bullshit. I don't know why you're on the money. You got Google Maps and... Yeah, he's on this bullshit. Wait, can we also? Also, can we also? Also, I will say this movie does a really, really good job where I feel like the previous trilogy that we got, it was kind of clear that the humans were the assholes. He was just like, I hate these.

Like, May, I was giving May the benefit of the doubt. And then it's a really good turn. And then quickly, I was just like, yo, you might be worse than Woody Harrison, brad. Like, I'm like, maybe Woody Harrison back. Is she a double agent? It's, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. first of all, you can't ask my homie Noah for help, right? Like Noah, he was prejudiced.

He's like, yo, fuck the echoes. And he's just like, you know what? I'm going to come back. I'm going to save you. And she gets Raqa killed. Like, it's just like, it's, Rocca was my homie. I'm like, yo, Rocca, you're the only one who really got the vision out here.

The reality is she might have, okay, so a lot of the Eagle Clan survived the mass drowning that she had, but a lot of apes drowned. Yeah. Yeah. That works for her. She killed probably a couple hundred apes in that instance. Because not all of those slaves weren't from the Eagle Clare right?

No. She probably got a stolen tribes. She probably got a medal for that back at the time. That was also my question because I was just like, so only the Eagle Clan motherfuckers survived? Or do you think a bunch of the other prisoners were like, he was like, I mean, it was. I mean, again, they do the clever thing where, like, Noah's telling just Eagle Clan climb.

Yeah. Because the Eagle Clan are climbers because they've climbed the nests. They climbed the skyscrapers to get to the nests. Steve, all apes are climbers, though. I know that, but it's just like, hey, hey, do you think only the Eagle Clan can climb still? I'm not saying that, but Noah is saying that. In the movie, there's literally like, he's literally like Eagle Clan up here. I mean, that was also a part of the movie where I was just like, if I'm an ape, even if I'm not part of the Eagle Clan, I'm not.

I'm like, motherfucker, I'm climbing right now. You look like y'all survive it. I'm rocking with ch'all. Some apes just don't have that. They don't have the climbing gene in them? Yeah, they don't have that dog in them. Also, I will say that I do find it funny that the apes are now using other animals. It's so dope. It's like when they're on horses, it's never not going to be cool.

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So the end of the film, in the middle of the film, you get the knowledge that Proximus is trying to get inside of a vault that has stuff in it. Yes. It looks like a military installation of some sort. There are tanks in there. It's an underground base of some sort. They had homes and the little daycare kids, whatever, all that kind of shit. So he wants to get in there.

He wants to get whatever he has. Now, what he describes what he wants. I don't know necessarily if he was talking about weapons. I don't think he can actually quantify. What's inside? What's inside? It's more of the like humans hid this. This made humans strong.

This made humans strong. There's got to be. Whatever is in here will make us. They're still surprised by the gun. So he's like, where should get that? Yeah. I love the look that he gives May when she shoots that.

Because he's like, oh my God. He's getting in a maze. He's like, give me that. I don't know if he's going to know how to use a tank. But it doesn't matter. He's fascinated by that power. He can quantify that power.

Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I feel like Proximus could get busy. He could find another. He's probably like, yo, we just got to find another smart use. Actually, you know what? Treveitha can teach him out to use a tank.

Trithen can teach him mine. Well, not anymore. Not anymore. He was already dead. May choked him out. May choked him out. See, May, May was about her shit. I'm telling you, when you rewee, when you re-tile,

textilized the movie. Like, oh, she was like, like, super spy. She went undercover the whole thing. Makes you look at it. That's a little bit differently. Like, oh, she was locked in the whole time. But she was stinky, though. They were always like, y'all stink.

I like the apes. They're like, the apes was like, y'all got to take a shot. So it's been, what we say, 300 years. 300 years. And they break into this, this vault. And there are also other things that are around. And we were wondering, would these things be functional? Okay.

So the first one. The guns. She grabs a gun out of the goddamn gun case. And then she shoots that bitch. Would the gun and the ammo have worked after 300 years of just sitting there? I mean, she had a 38, so it doesn't need any like machinery. It's just a hammer. Ammo probably wouldn't work.

So what I've been telling you guys is, I don't know. As someone who grew up on the Jersey Shore, all right? Here's a thing. Shit gets corroded. Like that's saltwater, it's like, it's getting into the vents. Shit's getting like,

it's done. Any machinery or whatever is getting rusted and shit after 300 years. So I'm just like, I don't actually know if you could just pick up a blicky and it's just going to fire after 300 years. It says here, modern cartridges would probably last 100 years or more without appreciable loss of performance.

So 100 years is what I'm looking at right now. Well, yeah. And if we're looking at like 300 plus years, that's probably. I hear this thing. Like, again, she's got like skills, right? She choked out travathian infiltrator. I'm choosing to look at her like she's 007 at this point. And she can just make it work. Well, because like think about where she actually came from.

Either the tribe that she was in in the forest or knowing where that colony is, they've clearly got guns. they've clearly got something. Like she knows her way around a gun. Yeah. It says well-cared-for-guns, once again, will last for 100 years or more. It's been 300 years.

Nobody has touched these fucking guns. Right. And they're underground. Okay. And they're underground. Yeah, the monkeys also talk. That gun, not the one is. I think we need to classify this.

The monkeys in the movie talk. So we got out of the little. We're splitting hairs right now. We're very much splitting hairs. Oh, whoa, whoa. These are the fucking questions that the audience wants. All right. I'm on Van side.

I'm just like, I don't know. The next question I am with you on this van. Would satellites work? Fuck no. No. No. Okay. No.

So at the end of the movie, she gets, she takes a SACCOM key and that's her mission to go and give the SACCOM key to the humans down there so they can communicate with people. Okay. The satellites are fucked up. Have not been taken care of. Have not been taken care of. Would the satellites work after? 300 years of sitting there. Again, if they even marginally

took care of them, maybe, but it's the fact that you can just plug that little you plug that little block in and then everything works, like, no. I guess they need it like, it's kind of like one of those, you know, you need like, kind of like Gravity Falls and three books. Sure, sure, sure, sure. You need the three keys to

connect the dots. I don't know exactly how the very large array works. I'm not going to pretend like I'm some science, some kind of scientist. Some kind of scientist. Christ. But I will say like, I'm pretty sure like they just go straight to space. I don't think they bounce off. I said, I'm not, I'm not saying that I don't think like, obviously, if 300 years, people maintain those things pretty much daily, I'm sure.

Honestly, I believe a large radio tower more than I believe a satellite array. Because radio towers are just like waves that are broadcasted over like hundreds of miles radius that you can like piggyback off of. Like that's a normal. That's a thing that I could believe rather than like pinging a satellite up in space and then coming back down. And there's also, when I'm talking about how do you maintain the infrastructure, how many humans we think

at the end were in that? Like 20 maybe? You're talking, I'm gonna guess like 200 tops. 200? Yeah. All right, well, y'all got, they got a farm for food.

You know what I'm saying? They need materials. I'm gonna imagine it's like a silo situation where like they got like a farm underground kind of a thing. They might. Yeah? They might have a farm under ground.

I'll tell you what. They probably have to have a greenhouse. There was no light in that bitch. Yeah. Okay. They had electricity, all shit. They had a disinfecting fucking room. Yeah, they might be just, like I said,

they might have mad MREs that they've been eating for a long time, but at some point they would have to, because you ever watch Fallout? Yeah. Y'all watch Fallout? Great show. If you look at Fallout, they explain how to fuck they've been down there for so long.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's also, this is 300 years. So none of these people were even born when the Caesar shit happened. So I'm just like, they don't got food left. All this stuff has to be. be self-sustaining. That's why, I don't think we put it down there, even when May goes into the room and she just, he's like, click and turn the generator on, I'm like, look, here's two switches. Usually a satellite has a useful lifetime of between five and 15 years.

Ooh! A satellite in space? A satellite in space. These are, this is like radio dishes. Okay, so this is a radio dish. Okay, so how long will a radio dish last? I mean, with proper care, probably forever. I don't know if they've ever replaced the very large array, but I can't imagine. We would also assume that they've been trying to upkeep that. Because again, this was a motif in like this, like, several movies of the Caesar one where they're like, okay, we got to get, we got to reach outside people. Like the whole Gary Oldman plot from Dawn of the Planet of the Apes was like if we lose power, then we lose communication with the outside world. And then we can't like talk to people.

Like the idea that humans want to keep communication with the rest of humanity has just been a thing. And the question is, I get it. I get that, but is there any degradation to all of this stuff that would make that without some sort of engineering. Right. Impossible. Whatever. It's fun question. Monkey stock.

Yeah. Question. How would the power come back home? After flipping two switches. She flipped the switch and then the power came back to the whole base. I'm just asking the questions. I don't know. Is this?

Because it's like, what type of generator is this? Because it's not a very good one. It's not gas. What the only I'll say about this is that this could have been being. the other people do have power, the humans down there. So someone down, someone,

they have power, they have fucking, microphone. Walkie talk. They got all kinds of shit. So some, they got batteries down there. Some kind of way the power is being,

is staying on. I'm going to guess it's probably some form of like hydro power. Got to be. Knowing that it's close to the water. Yeah. I don't know if you could just flip a switch though and it turns on.

You got to do. I mean, obviously not. You can get a generator. You can get a new generator from fucking Home Depot. Of course, But those kindergarten books in the thing would have turned to dust by now when they were able to read from that.

I mean, maybe. Maybe. Monkeys talk. I mean, natural gas, oil, coal, and nuclear. By the way, you keep saying that, we know why they talk. There was a fucking cutting edge new technology. I may explain that shit. There was a cutting age and new technology to help people with Alzheimer's.

And it made monkeys smart instead. They talk. And then it was, they DNA change. They fucking Caesar's nut had the special thing to help. Oh, God. No, keep going. It's facts. Okay, yeah.

So that's the explanation. I'm asking for real-world explanations about how the fucking lights came back on. Yeah, and again, like, but we're tired. We're putting, again, you're conflating the two things. Again, I enjoy this discussion. Movies fun. Movies great. Movies great.

But like, yeah, a disease making the apes smarter. Sure, that would never happen in real life, but it happened a movie. Oh, the lights turned on. That could happen. You don't know? I doubt it. You don't know what can happen. That would be kind of crazy.

That would be fucking great. great. You want to kill some monkeys? Yeah. I don't want to kill any monkeys. I'm down to let them take over. I'm sick of it. I love it.

Honestly, no more taxes. The monkeys. If I was May and I was just like, damn, they got, we got tea, we got books,

like we got a whole room. We got hot water. You be chilling with William H. Macy? I'd be like, yo, let me take a little vacation here. I don't like,

there's no rush. Let me say, that's another thing about this movie that's unrealistic. William H. M.H. Macy didn't even try. That is.

That's not going to happen, bro. Okay, so he had to be... William H. Macy didn't even try. William H. Macy hadn't seen a woman in such a long time. I, okay. That's not what I thought you meant. That's not that. That's not what I thought you were.

Play the freaking he has this thing. You guys. You guys, I'm going to be honest with you. You guys, I'm going to be honest with you. They made a choice not to do that because I was waiting in the movie for him to try something. I was waiting. You know what? I actually needed.

Damn well, that tea drinking motherfucker. If, I don't want to make any, maybe he wasn't, you know, maybe, I don't know what he's into. So maybe, but if he was into that, he didn't even try. What if he had a wife? Ape wife? Yep. You play the drop again. Play the freaky ass drop.

What's wrong with child diggers? They talk. What is wrong with child diggers? So anything that talks, Steve. You was looking at that, them women chimps, like, damn, you saw that one. You saw that one. I saw a suit of you. Like, hey, what's up?

No, what you're trying to do? One of the way. I can see Steve doing some shit like that. Steve, Steve, Steve Zee's a goth ape and he's like, yo. What's that? A ape with some tattoos. What I really wanted is like, okay, do we really want to? Did we get any backstory with how he ended up there?

He told a little bit of it. Yeah, but like, I need, there's a lot more to that. Like, how long? How, like, that's a whole story in and of itself. And it's an interesting thing that the movie does because it daisy chains Noah into characters that he is friendly with at all times. He's never not without somebody for more than, like, five minutes. Yeah. And then the same thing with May, where, like, if May's not with a friendly set of apes, then it's with another human to talk about how things are fucked up.

I thought Noah was such a good protagonist in this movie. Oh, he was really good. Really good. The vulnerability, what he was up against his hero's journey to being one of the leaders of his clan was really fantastic. Because that's really what this movie is about. The movie is about how Noah gained leadership in his clan. It's fantastic. I mean, also, it was about how if you learn how to sing, you can be a leader.

Because in the beginning of the movie, he was trying to do the Eagle song, and that motherfucker was singing off key. Real quick, before I go to these last couple of questions that we had here, the fight at the end where Proximus is beating the shit out of Noah. Yeah. And none of his clan are helping. The Eagle Clan went so sad. The Eagle Clan would go out like some holes and nobody helps until the Eagles get involved. The Eagles helped.

The Eagles were the ones that got Proximus. They could have easily taken him. He was still talking like he ran them. And it was, which gets us back to our next question. How far did Noah, Raqa, and May travel? Jomi says, and this is for everybody out here, by the way, the audience, I want you guys to feel free to answer these questions.

Because I know, we know deep down that you guys are smarter than us. Answer these questions if we have any different engineers or whatever. I challenge you guys to come up with answers these questions. This one in particular, Jomey thinks, because we do know that they were in Los Angeles, in the Los Angeles area, because we could see LAX in the background when they were all traveling.

I think he met up with Rock at L.A.X basically. He met up with Rock at L.A.X. Planes, down planes and all that. Which, by the way, there probably some supplies around there. They might have some stuff. Go check it out. But it's been 300 years.

It's probably about all been plunded. Jomey seems to think that they traveled from Los Angeles to San Francisco in the movie and that San Francisco is where Proximus had his kingdom. I do not think it was that far. It would have to be because then, and we were making the joke at the theater, if they went to, like, Santa Monica or whatever,

then what, the journey probably takes, like, a week. And so for everybody to feel all subjugated that quickly, feels kind of crazy, right? I think ultimately it makes sense because I'm looking out of here. I think it's, like, roughly two months to walk, or like a month, two months to walk from L.A. to San Francisco. Kind of for, like, that time frame after, like, a couple of, couple, you know, at least, at least four weeks, you kind of would fill down, be like,

dang, they really got us. There's the problem, though. He starts after them almost immediately. I mean, he gets, well, they have, like, courses. Like, they got, like, a two-day head start, tops. Yeah, tops. And a lot of the journeys on horseback as well. For him?

Kind of, but they give up the horses. I mean, he gets, they get caught. I guess, I guess. So here's the thing. Once again. They're close enough. Like the guerrilla general dude is close enough to almost capture May. And then they're waiting for them on the bridge.

Yeah. So they could not have traveled that far. Because it's like the, it seems like the guerrillas are still staying close enough where they can drop off the apes that from the Eagle clan and then circle back to fuck with May and Mo. And the other truck. Yeah. So it couldn't have been.

It could have been that long. I think what we, I think what we're saying is that we needed. like one or two more like notable human landmarks to like see where we were at one time. I thought that was, I could have sworn that was the bridge, man. That wouldn't make any sense because once again,

how does the gorilla keep be, how is he able to keep suckling back? I think, I think we're going to like again, we're conflating to this. I think you're right in the sense that them being, they're not that far apart like in terms of the group, Noah and the group, right?

Because again, they get taken, they're like probably within two days of each other, maybe like got it, maybe even less, right? But I still do think like that, that's, but I thought when he's got his dad's, um, uh, eagle on his arm and it pans over, it's like, I, I'm looking at that. I'm like, oh, that's the Golden Gate Bridge is decrepit and it's old, but you guys said it was a ship. But you're also forgetting that they have to travel slower than Noah, Raca, and May,

because they have a bunch of prisoners. and those prisoners aren't on horsemen. It's like, if you're transporting that many apes, like that's going to take a while. Yeah. I mean, the movie has to do that for the thing, for the plot to work. You know, if we just spend like a lot of time going,

like, oh, look, they're right over there. It doesn't really make any sense. Ultimately, though, I think you guys are probably right on, like, there could have been, Noah and the crew cannot have been too far behind them. So when they get back and you're like, oh my gosh no i haven't seen you forever it's like it had to be like

maybe so the main point is that the eagle clan are softest sharmine and they didn't do shit for Noah like Noah had to get it out the mud if we being real because they was watching him get his ass beat and I'm just like yo if apes together are really strong stop fucking proximus out and get on

Wes Ball come on the podcast and answer the questions because West Ball director I want to know where they were I don't think they were I think they probably maybe a little south because they're in LAX and they're at the beach so maybe it's Redondo

maybe it's Palis Verdes maybe they're in Orange County I'm serious What would the Orange County A Went down to Doc Wiler Bro, Doc Waile would be crazy But think about it That's where all of those big

What would survive? That's where all of those big like container ships are and stuff Not maybe Doc Wiler maybe it's like a weak journey tops probably i think them being like not too far behind makes way makes way more sense because yeah like how would he i mean he's literally there's a scene before they get to the bridge where he's literally tracking them through the like on a beach yeah and you can see you can still see footsteps right so

obviously when time like waves like time washes away all things at some point like he cannot have been that far behind you're right he has more record i still think he was San Francisco, but I do agree. He's probably like maybe like 36 hours, 48 hours behind him tops. Which brings us to our point. If the Eagle Clan was brainwashed in a couple of days, I'm just like, if I'm Noah, I'm like, bro,

I might be like, maybe Proxima suspense on. Maybe there was like, hey man, you cook it. Nah. I mean, I really found cattle prods will make you That's true. You saw a lot of your homies die. Last question. I'll change you. Could apes train Eagles?

Why not? I think so. Here's my thing. They were training the Eagles through song. Okay. It was like, mm-hmm. And then the Eagles were like, go. And I was just like, to be fair, they were like taking the little eggs, bonding the eggs.

But I was just like, can humans do that? Like, if I sing to an eagle long enough, like, you know what I'm saying? Can humans, they do it all the time? Yeah. It's kind of a thing that humans do. Wait, you can, but do you train an eagle or fow? through singing to them. No, but they did.

Is that possible, though? I feel like it can be. Why not? I have noticed. We just watched 10 episodes of Shogun, where Tornaga's got a falcon on his arm, and he goes, hey, go over there. But he wasn't a singing to the joint?

Yeah, but so talking versus singing. Maybe we had it wrong as humans. Maybe you do need to sing. So hunting with eagles is a traditional form of falchery. Yeah. It was found throughout Eurasia, practiced by the Turkic people. Today, they practice it in Kazakhstan and some other stands.

And apparently, I don't know how to say it. Apparently, you can learn how to do it, particularly with the Golden Eagles, which I think were the Eagles that were using in this. But how do you train them? So I've known a falconer in my life, and it's basically you do take them at birth to train them, and you have have them since they were like hatchlings.

And it's more or less like there's no guaranteed way for you to like domesticate them. If you're using them to hunt and if you're using them for like utilitarian purposes, it seems to be that like you just get, you fly them and you get them used to attracting them back with a lure full of food. Oh. And once they know and recognize you an imprint on you of knowing where food will be, that's when they will fly back to you. I have a question, Steve. Where did you meet this falconer? Okay, I dated the daughter of a falconer once.

Oh, interesting. Okay. Cool. What race was this lady? What? Yeah, she was white. White. Okay, cool.

So what kind of stuff? Her dad was from Ireland. So what kind of stuff did her dad do with the, with the deep? He was a falconer. He was a full-time. So, uh, he was a full-time falconer? Yes. Farms would commission him to go out to like Nebraska and stuff to protect their crops.

And he would fly his birds. So you attack you with a bird? No, but I went out hunting with one of his birds once. Oh, wow. Look is Steve. He had a red center and he would flush out ducks. The dog would flush out the duck and then he would fly up the bird. And seeing a peregrine falcon kill a duck from like a mile high in the sky and just swiping down is incredible to see.

You sick fuck. What? Steve. You've been hunting since you were a kid. I stopped. I stopped. Do you want to hear the story when I stopped hunting? Yeah, you couldn't kill the rabbit.

I couldn't kill the rabbit. talk about it. Like, guess what? So I couldn't kill the rabbit. After I killed many rabbits, I couldn't kill the rabbit. Guess what? Seeing a fucking, no. Shut it! Seeing an eagle kill a poor helpless. I'm going to see you a video right now of, I just saw this morning,

of a duck falling asleep. I want you to think about like seeing the eagle, like you're sitting there, blood, ha ha, ha. You know who you are? Oh my God. You're Joffey Baratheen. Yeah. Yeah, you're definitely I'm seeing another animal killing animal. And you like

that shit. You want to shoot people I'm seeing nature. I mean, I was sitting next to Steve during this and when May stabs in the back, you did a little like clack. Steve probably was bricked up watching that. Gras. Let's go.

Mint boys. That's how we'd be having. At any time where you bricked up, we know Steve was looking at the goth, ape. Yeah. Jomey. Oh, my God. Hold on. Jomey definitely was bricked up. There was a white woman in the movie. That's true. Yeah. Chill on me, bro. What did Jomi say? We were leaving and jump.

me and Jomi were talking and he was telling me something. Oh, Jomey was telling me what his perfect woman was. Relax. Relax. Relax. We need to relax. I can't do it again. All right.

It is time for the midnight meter, the not confusing ranking system that we do at the end of movies and TV series. One to 10 is your regular scale. One being the worst, 10 being the best. But we reserve 11 and 12 for true game changers. start with the mint boy, Steve. What is the midnight meter ranking for Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes? I'm giving this an eight. I think this was

very strong. I really hope that they continue the story of Noah or at least the apes. I hope this is the start of a new trilogy. I hope that this can continue. Obviously, this property has really good legs. And in a world where James Cameron's avatar gets all the money in the world,

I want the Apes to take some of that check because the CGI world of this is way better. I'm going to agree with Steve. I think it's an eight. I think the movie does a very, very good job of not really letting you know who the villains and the heroes are, aside from Noah. Everybody else is on a sliding scale. And again, just a well-acted, well-performed, just well-done film. It's going to be, it's a great time in theaters.

I think it starts off a little slow. But once it gets going, I really gets going. So I'm with Steve. I'm Nate. I really enjoyed it. It's like the most solid eight that I think I've seen in a long time. it would have needed to do a little bit more and maybe take itself a little bit more seriously

to be a nine, but I think the finest achievement of the movie is that it's the start of a new, interesting narrative in this world. Without Caesar, which is like super fucking hard to do. I was like, why do you even bother sometimes if you can't do that again?

And so the movie is an achievement from that fact, and it's very thrilling. It's very emotional. But an eight is the highest I can go show. Oh, it's a, for every reason, you guys have said. It's an eight. It's an enjoyable movie. I didn't feel like I wasted my time.

I was just like, you introduced me to a character that is not as compelling as Caesar yet, but I could see if they keep going on this trajectory. I could be like, all right, Noah is, he's different as a character, but he's someone that I, like, by the end of this movie, I'm like, I want to see what Noah does next. So it's a solid aid. I had a really, really good time. Very, very cool.

All right, guys, we're out of here. That's a wrap. Today on the House of Our Fe, vampire trope's course, Monday. Min Edition returns to give you their Star Wars 5 on 5. And next week, the Midnight Boys will be back to break down the season finale

of X-Men 97, and hopefully we get to do at some point, is Magneto right? Well, not next week. I want us to think about this one. I mean, maybe next week we'll prove whether or not Magneto was right. Maybe we'll know.

Credits, our producer is Steve, the architect almond. Jomi, he's planning our dinner on. It's all social. Hashtag Jomi together strong. Now, see,

okay. See, and this is great, too. I can make an argument. As an Afro- No, I'm African too.

And African, I can make an argument, Steve, that you can be called these. Is this troublesome? This is transgression number, fucking. Yeah,

this is so, this is crazy. Transatlantic sleigh points. What? It's the slave. Steve, Steve, Steve has two transgress I like this Steve. Steve, stand on it.

Well, you got to hear Steve, though, like growing up, again, a kid from Africa, everybody was like, you know what I'm saying? Remember one time, this is a crazy story. This is a crazy story. One time in high school, actually, I think it was like ninth grade. It was in algebra. And I dropped a pencil, blocked off. I couldn't reach it. So I was trying to reach it. And the girl next to me, she was like, oh, I got you.

And my hand was down there. And she looked at me and she said, man, you got monkey hands. Oh, no. And I was like, yo, that's crazy. I was like, yo, that's crazy. Yeah, she was white and you was like, girl, when you take you to the top of the Empire State Building? Yo, yo, guys!

What I do? Jesus Christ. Additional production from Arjuna Ram Capal. Charles, take us out. Noah is our star. He wears that big monkey cape. And if Steve is around, please hide your golf apes. Okay.

Who are these niggas? I don't know. We can take this out, but I don't know if I got beep with some of them out there. They was looking at me. They were looking at the studio like, oh, we have to take this out. People are walking by the studio. Get it. You all going on smoke?

I was like, for the audience, a bunch of people, you know, we had the Spotify studios. They got the glass doors. A couple people walked by and they just kind of. I'm a look at a meme mugging us, bro. What the hell going? What the fuck is going on, man? That's crazy. Now we're not how the apes felt in the zoo and the humans are coming.

Look at them. All right, don't get me. Now we know how the apes felt. All right, since we ain't post-in-law and we are not to tell you, Steve asked us. Also, let's be clear, if we had been talking about this movie, they had kicked us out of the movie theater, right? Steve could have gotten out cleanly and then right before we're about to leave. Steve, do you want, let's let Steve tell the audience. You know what you're talking about.

This is how our horse, yada, yada, yada. Yada yada. You go yada, yada, yada, yada. Steve flying back. Woo. I love it, Steve. You go yada, yada, yada. You can't yada yada y'all.

What did I say? What did I say? Steve asked us, he's like, would you feel any type of way if a black person voiced one of the apes? I'm like, Steve. I don't know what you're talking about. That's what you said. That's what you said.

I did not say that. Steve. You don't lie. Oh, my God. Steve's like, it's okay for a black person to be an ape. I'm like, all right. And then the thing that bothered me is that it was a compelling question. It was?

Because Steve? Here's my question. You can't ask that. News report. News report. The director said that they're going to come out with a version of this film where the CGI is gone and you just see the actors. That's a bad idea.

No, man. I don't want to see that. I don't want to see that. But Steve, here's the thing. It was a good question, but it's just, one of those questions that you just can't be asking. Right, right message, wrong, messenger. A lot of question.

Because they do, they do try to make it in the movie like Apes' niggas, though. All right. They kind of do. It is. I do think what they, and we joke about, like, how the white woman, but they sent her on purpose. They for sure sent the little white girl on purpose. Okay, we're about to go crazy.

They could. Oh, man. Do we want to see this type of episode? Are you saying that the Apes got a thing for white women's milk apes? Yo, is Noah a milk merchant? Noah's a milk merchant. You want to know how I know

Noah's a milk merchant? Because she shows up at the end of the movie with the blicky and instead being on site like, yo, get her. He's really trying to be like, he gives her the jewelry. That's an insane turn from Noah just to act like she didn't kill like hundreds of apes. And he's still like, yeah, go on.

Go back. I'm like, Noah. Come on, bro. She got rocket kill. Here's the thing. You want to know how. evil May is, she got the only ape

who is keeping track of this shit. He's like, we should teach everybody how to read. She's like, that's a white person. That's some CIA shit. She's like, we got to get this motherfucker out of here. I also love that Rocco was going to be on like a missionary tip before like they got caught by Proxima's tribe.

Like he's like, I'm going to stay here with these proto humans and teach them the way of Caesar. Oh man. That's also, I was like, Rocca, come on, bro. Raca, come on. Is that lost cause, do you think? It's not that it's a lost cause, but I'll be honest. He just wants to preach the good word.

I'll be honest. They the ops. I'm not teaching them. I'm like, bro. Because even Caesar, Caesar wasn't teaching them. They was like, yo, Caesar was nice and he had the humans like, he was taking care of them. But he wasn't given. I'm not giving them weapons and shit.

And what's the biggest weapon in the world? A book. That's why I may have to get rocket out of you. Wow. Not the guns, the book. The book, because here's the thing, too. She saw all damn books. And she saw the one homie, the human homie,

and she's just like, we don't need to be teaching these motherfuckers how to read. I'm going to kill you. It's honestly, the more you think about it, the more you're like, okay, William H. Macy was in a, like, he was in a bad situation and he's making the best of it because, like, the only thing that he can do is like, okay, we're going to, like, we can teach him how to read

and tell him about Kurt Vonnegut and all that stuff. And I guess we're just in, we're in their good favor because humanity's kind of fucked and I'm just going to make a good life for ourselves. And then she's like under the guise of you're giving up on humanity to more or less be like fuck apes. And even Noah posing that question to her at the end being like, are we going to go back to silence? And she doesn't have a good answer. Bro, she had to blicky behind her back.

I know. She's trying to re-enslave the apes if we being honest. Absolutely. Well, she very clearly looks down on apes. Right. And minimum doesn't trust them. Yeah, like she looks down on the apes. She talks about what's for apes and what's for humans.

and they didn't realize what their relationship with human beings was like before but she knows because she's been told she wants to reclaim the earth

she says this stuff is ours it's ours it's our earth that's colonizer as shit it is it is it is also actually true but that's okay I like on the virus can I be honest though

if we being real see this is how the colonizers brainwash y'all she's like all this was ours and i'm just like yeah there was people here on this land before so is any of this shit yours that's all i'm saying i don't know so we're taking it there okay i get it i'm like this shit ain't yours i mean i not i get it no i understand land acknowledgement my ass me like y'all's told this shit yeah maybe the eight see we just can't we can't do it

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