The Ringer-Verse - 'Loki' Ep. 4: Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: June 30, 2021

The Midnight Boys ride again to talk about their instant reactions to the latest, explosive episode of 'Loki' (02:44). They talk about the shocking revelations that occurred and how the connection between Loki and Sylvie has become very consequential for the rest of the season (24:04). Hosts: Van Lathan and Charles Holmes Producer: Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Additional Production: TD St. Matthew-Daniel Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and Rachel Lindsay. Charles Holmes, the host of the Ringer music show, but together we are known as the Midnight Boys. All right, we're the Midnight Boys, so we are

here on a Wednesday, giving you our instant knee-jerk, not well thought out, sometimes infuriating reactions to the first season of Loki on Disney Plus the MCU's latest Disney Plus television show entry. As always, be sure to join Mal for her deep dive analysis every Friday afternoon.

She's giving you a much more thought out, a much more in-depth, a much more academic reaction to the show. She's doing that with rotating guests every single week, and she's doing a fantastic job. Thanks to Loki Head writer Michael Waldron for stopping by. That's a big gift for Matt. right there. Also, we're going to have even more surprises on the Ringerverse

Feed. There are a lot of big Marvel movies coming up. I think you guys know what those movies are. One movie in particular. And we're going to have some reaction to that film. And I think that that's going to be a fantastic podcast. I think there are going to be opinions and takes

flying all around there, Chuck Wagon. All right. Now, let's time to dispense with the pleasantries. We have to talk about Loki. So much happened in episode four of Loki entitled Nexus event that we have to get right into it. We're not normally we normally we mess around a little bit. But Charles, we're not messing around today. We're getting right. I didn't get this memo, but fine. No messing around. Well, we don't have nerd news minute is the deal. We don't have nerd news minute. There was no nerd news to go into. So because there's no nerd news to go into,

We are going right into the show. Steve, roll the spoiler warning for these people who need a spoiler warning on a reaction show. We're getting ready to talk about the episode. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Let's do it right now. Let's get into the 60 second recap. Look, we've decided something.

Eventually, it's going to become the two-hour recap. No, I see. I decided it was the 60-second recap. I got outruled. We've gone from 30 seconds to 40 seconds to 60 seconds. What's going on here? I mean, you're too attached to it. I don't know what your deal is.

There's no challenge with 60 seconds. Yeah. But why does it have to be a challenge? It's not about you. It's about the people listening. Why don't you take a step back, Charles? So my question is, you're always like, why do we have to have a spoiler warning?

You know this is a recap pod. Same thing with the recaps, the 60-second recaps. We're like, you already watched the episode. you just didn't listen to a word that I said. You like the son from John Wick. Did he listen to a word that I said? The reality is that the audience likes the recap. The audience wants a coherent recap.

The 30 second recap was cool. The 40 second recap is cool, but it's for the audience. I was going 40 seconds. My heart is attached to the 40 seconds. Go do your 60 seconds. Go do the minute. No, you know what? I'm going to read the recap by fucking master.

masterpiece theater now. It's going to be, like, somebody cue up a hearth behind me. Cue up a, like a, drop in a goddamn fireplace behind me. We're going to have me and a golden retriever. I'm sitting down in a robe in front of the fire. I'm going to read the recap. It's eternity recap. All right, let's go.

Cici second recap. All right, we ready? Three, two, one, go. We open on Asgard where a child Sylvia's, arrested by a then-minute man Ravona. Sylvie after being apprehended escapes and is on the run for the rest of her life. Very sad. Mobius asked for access to interrogate C-20 and is denied by Ravona. Back on Lamentus, Sylvie and Loki hold hands in love and understanding that before being detected by the TVA. Loki tells Mobius the TVA is a lie and that everyone is a very big moment.

Loki is then sent to a time cell where he is infinitely kicked in the nuts by Siv. Mope is uncovers the truth about C20 and Hunter B15 allows Sylvie to show her past life outside the TVA. Moby's freeze Loki and is quickly pruned by Ravona. She takes Loki and Sylvie to the timekeepers for deletion, B15 frees them. They fight off the timekeepers' guards all before Ravona deletes Loki. Sylvie and Ravona demand answers And Sylvie defeats Ravona and demands answer

In the post credits, Loki is brought to a decimated New York City where four other lokies tell him to come back with them It was actually four other lokies We said three other lokies And the thing was four other lokies

Steve, what's the time on that? It was like 62 That was a minute and six seconds There we go I liked it I felt I felt very relaxed giving that recap Very relaxed given that

Look at Charles Charles youthful exuberance. Look at him. I want my 30 second recap. Give me my ice cream. All I hear his hater energy coming from old man, Van, out there. He's looking at my hairline being just like reminiscing about the better days. When they didn't have to put the little black powder.

I'm going to be honest with you. I'm not just looking at your hair line. I'm looking at your hair because I've never seen such a fine collection of naps before. You don't want to go back and forth with me. I'm telling you right now, this is a problem on the other podcast. You don't want to go back and forth with me. You got that Kevin Durant great hair. Anyway, go ahead.

Whoa. Man, don't even say that because every single podcast, you have to have a snapback to hide the fucking the V. You're the only black man I know with the Cowlick. All right? Here's the thing. Now, don't start with me, then. I'm 41. My hair is definitely running a race and backwards time.

But it's still luxurious, though. All right, give me your thoughts. Like, give me your thoughts about this episode. Last episode, we were both, we both had some mixed reviews on. As far as this particular episode, Nexus event, what were your thoughts of it? I think it did what all of the MCU Disney Plus shows do really well. It's like they do that fourth or fifth episode phenomenally. I think towards the middle, they run out of gas.

and then once we're lulled into a place of security, they hit the gas, everything's happening. When was Quicksilver revealed in Wanda Vision? That was like around episode four or five, wasn't it? It was around episode four, I think. So yeah, this is just another one of those episodes where all of the questions that we have about this are starting to be answered.

And we're honestly just getting more questions at this point. But yeah, I fucked with the episode overall, though. Yeah, a good episode of television answers questions and then leaves you questions at the end. That's how you know that you got some good TV. If no questions are answered, no questions are asked, then you're just kind of there chilling, right? Like a filler episode.

What questions did you feel like in this particular episode, which I also enjoyed very much? I thought it had, I thought really, to be honest with you, was a perfect episode of Loki. It was heady enough, had enough interplay between the characters because if we're being honest, what we really love about this show is the questions that the characters are continuously asking

one another and the emotional stakes that are created because of those questions, right? Would you say it's the best episodes so far? I'd say so. I'd say so. It's just, it's hard to do in an episode of TV where, like I said, you answer big time questions and you get revelations from characters, but then you're also left

with big time questions. And it seemed like they were able to do that while also cashing in some of the emotional deposits they've made in episodes pass, right? All right, so I got some things about this episode, even though this is like my favorite episode of Loki so far. Choices that I think were controversial. Maybe I wouldn't have picked them. So I want to pick your

brain later. But the biggest question I think that got answered is I think all of the Midnight Boys here, you, Jomey, Steve, we've all been kind of like, I don't know if the timekeepers are real. And we got the Wizard of Osmond, finally. Yeah. For now, they're not lizards. They're Androids. And the biggest thing I left, my biggest question is, all right, are there real timekeepers? Is there someone pulling the strings?

If it's Kang, does King show up? Is Ravona just going to be the big bad of this show? And then point us to Kang later in Ant Man? Just the timekeeper reveal was the one that kind of just like opened the Pandora's box. What about you? What was your like big question that got answered? My big question that got answered was how was Mobius going to take it the moment that he learned he was a variant? Because we don't really get, we don't get started off learning about the TVA through Ravona, through any of the, Mobius introduces us to the TVA for the most part.

You know, there's this video that plays by Ms. Minutes and all that. But as far as what embodies the TVA, what becomes the TVA, Moby is defined the TVA for us. He was the guy that always had an answer seemingly for Loki and was very, very at peace with his role in maintaining the sacred timeline. When he was sitting down having a conversation with Loki, he tells him he's like, look, this is what we're going to do. We're all wrap it up.

We all meet up at the end of time. He was very resigned to that. And he was very okay with that. It was part of his goal and his duty as a being or whatever he, whatever he was, to make sure that that happened. I always find it fascinating in anything that I'm watching when a character learns that their entire life is a lie. It always, it's like it's the Neo Matrix moment, right?

It's the purpose moment. And that's something that they actually asked Neo to continue to learn. Because two things. Number one, the first stage of that is always denial. then there's acceptance, and then there's what we saw from Mobius at the end was sort of regret. And right before he gets pruned, when he's talking about his life with the jet skis and everything that was going on with that, you could tell that for a moment he felt the loss of whatever he was before. And I want to know how that revelation, not just for him, like that revelation is going to be,

you can see that wash over and cascade over other people. You know, 100B15, same thing. You see what they go through when they realized that at one time they were more. So the biggest question for me was how was Moby is going to respond? And he responded the way characters in those situations often respond through those types of stages. Do you think this is, we're heading towards a Truman show type thing where it's like we learn that just the TVA in general. I don't even know if the sacred timeline is a thing anymore. A bunch of things got kind of thrown up about even how the TVA operates

and what they are actually like destroying at this point. Because I don't even, if I had to make a guess, I don't even know if the sacred timeline is important at this point. Who's ever pulling the strings seems to be wanting to edit and tailor the timeline to their wants and desires, not necessarily anything that's actually going to destroy the universe. Or whoever is controlling the timeline wants to control the timeline because it represents a timeline where they won.

Oh, yes. That's a more accurate summation. I agree. Right. So if Kang is behind this and the sacred timeline is actually just the timeline where Kang, the conqueror, was actually able to conquer, then of course he doesn't want, uh, Kang doesn't want branch timelines forming where everyone sorts

to understand how oppressive he's being. And then there's a multiversal war where his timeline is disrupted or he has to go out and do other stuff. So the TVA might just be a way that whatever big bad is behind this, be it King, be a Revona, whoever, is maintaining the timeline in which they dictate order.

And if we look forward to King's involvement in the MCU, then what you could have is a revolt. the branch timelines represent in their purest form free will. That's what it is that they represent. A chance to make chaos. That's all free will is. As humans, we have this argument back and forth about whether or not freedom is worth it.

Is the chaos of freedom worth going up against the comfort that order gives you? Because if everything is ordered, then there's security in that. But freedom is like this wild, untamed thing that you can't really control. And that's kind of what the timeline deal is about. All these events happen because people do things, but it's in their free will to do them. Like, even to make people do what the TVA wants them to do, they have to lie to them.

They can't, like, no, who would, the question is, who would choose to be in the TVA? Would anyone choose that? No, no one would choose. They're like, at this point, they might as well be slaves. And Sylvie says it in the episode. She says the universe wants to break free, so it manifests chaos.

Of course. I think that that's just the big theme going throughout the entire series because the big moment is that Loki and Sylvie, while the planet is about to be destroyed, they have this heart to heart. And it seems like Loki and Sylvie are coming to some type of like epiphany that they have feelings for each other. And that is like the epitome of chaos. Falling in love with your time varying itself is like the is the symbol of just. just like chaos run amok. And that's when the sacred timeline, their branch timeline, what I'm calling now a boner, like just go straight on.

Look, before we get to that, let me ask you a question. One of the first things we see here is the beginnings of Ravona's relationship with Sylvie. Sylvie's a kid. And, you know, she's playing with the dragon, the Valkyry, is Savy, Alaskar from a dragon. There's also the wolf is in there. shout out to Finnerus the wolf I like him

He was running and she had him It was a big wolf that was sitting down there too I like him The wolf was in him What do you think that Sylvie's nexus event was What do you think Like they're pruning her It didn't seem like she had

Normally in what we've seen Someone what we know We saw Peggy Carter Obviously you know what that is You know what I mean We saw Loki But that's just a little girl

sitting down playing with some toys. I wonder what it was. What was her nexus event? See, that's another big question that just like once it happened. And like even Sylvie during one point when she's riding in the elevator with Ravona, she was just like, what was it? And Ravona's like, I forgot. She didn't forget. Like she's not dumb. If I had to guess, and I might be thinking about this too much, Sylvie told us that she is not a Loki. Like, she was just like, I'm not a Loki. Now, does that mean that she is someone else in terms of like Asgard, in terms of the

MCU? Because maybe that was a throwaway line, but when she debuted, she made a point to say, I'm just not another Loki. And she doesn't go by the name Loki. She goes by the name Sylvie. So is her existence, potentially her powers? Are we going to get like a Scarlet Witch thing where it's just like, she is so powerful that King or the timekeepers or whoever,

the minute she was born in her timeline just by her existing as a little kid, they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, we got to prune this shit right away. Could be. Could be. It's interesting if she's not a Loki because the establishing shot that they give us right before it cuts to her inside is from the palace. Yeah.

So it would be interesting to who she was. The establishing shot right outside. It was good to see Asgard again. Shout out to my dogs, bro. Wasn't it good to see Asgard again? When I saw Asgard, I was just like, was this taken from another movie? But yeah, so the establishment shot that gave us is of the palace, which makes you think, hey, Loki in this situation is obviously part of the rural family. So it could be that she's somebody else.

Also interesting that we haven't seen her, and we wouldn't at this point, interact with anybody else in terms of her role in Asgard. It's not like she was in there and Friego was like, hey. hey, we're going to leave you and go off and eat some grapes and some nuts and just chill and play with your toys. They're still showing Sylvie almost in a disconnected way from whatever existence she was. See, that's why I like, like she might be a Loki. That moment says a lot because we don't see anyone. The only person we see is Sylvie in that moment. And we haven't seen Sylvie interact with any other as guardians.

So I'm still kind of like, is Sylvie who she says she is? Is she actually just the time variant Loki or is she someone else? So that's my big question. Could be something else about that. Ravona in that situation gets played. Yes. So there's a different judge up there. Ravona gets played.

Sylvie doing one of the most Loki things that she ever did. Actually something that Loki actually did. The first time Loki, that entire thing was, That entire sequence was interesting to me. I'll tell you why. When Loki was first being brought in, I guess, booked into the TVA, when he was being booked into the TVA, there was a degree of wonderment to the scene.

It was like, oh, my God, what is this? What situation that Loki got himself into? Where is he going? It was almost the scene where it asks Loki to, or the guy asked Loki to sign everything that he ever said, there's this big stack of papers and you go, man, look how much Loki's lived and then he says something

and it comes again and they print the paper out again and it happens again and you're thinking to yourself, wow, this is like funny. Loki's in this situation where like a god is being like sort of humbled.

When you watch the scene with Sylvie, it's completely different. It's super sad. She's so terrified. She's so scared. And her pet, her book of things that she said is so small. Like she hasn't even gotten a chance to live yet, Chuck.

Like it's so small. You're thinking, why are they doing this to this little baby? She's like she looks totally in over her head. She's so until the moment that she does the exact same thing that our Loki does, which is she finds a way to escape. So at the time, the Minutemen, the soldiers are. completely useless. The amount of times that they get punked by Loki's and get

their shit stolen is ridiculous. They are the stormtroopers of the fucking MCU. They can not, they just cannot keep like, dog, every single episode they're screwing up. I'm like, dog, who aren't? But then again, they're humans. They're fallible. That's what we learned. Well, I will say this, that

our Loki didn't exactly escape like she did. He didn't steal a Timpad. That didn't come till later. He was just able to escape the interrogation room that he was in with Mobius. So, Maybe they had short things up a little while after, like, he had came. But my thing is, Ravona ends up getting promoted all the way up to Judge when she is the one that let the most dangerous variant ever escape the TVA. Yep.

Which to me, hints or lends itself to the notion that there's design behind all of this. And there's something special about Ravona and her relationship to whomever is really pulling the strings here to where they feel more. more secure with somebody, like her being in that position, even though she got played in one of the biggest ways ever with one of the most dangerous variants ever. Yo, you ready for me to blow your mind real quick? Blow it. What if Ivona had to have that happen?

Like, what if she needed to make, like, they got Sylvie and brought her to the TVA and they needed this version of Sylvie to exist? So she lets her steal the Tempe. And that's why she gets promoted. because she needed a certain level of events to transpire to create whatever like the puppet masters in the back wanted. That was one of my thoughts and that's why she got promoted. So then there's a, so then by this theory,

mark this down as Chuck Wagon Theory 1. So in this theory, a certain amount of chaos is being allowed to happen amongst the timeline, even threatening the entire sacred timeline, in order for there to be a more concrete order at the end of all of it. Yeah, like maybe, I don't know, maybe Kang or whoever was like Sylvie actually needs

to become Sylvie. Like, we need to, she needs to survive in apocalyps grow up to a certain age. This variant has to meet her. These things have to happen. And maybe Ravona got all the way to the top because she was the one who helped all of that shit happen. By the way, we're doing it again.

This is like the fourth or fifth or sixth or seventh time that we've mentioned Kang. Like, we don't know if it's fucking Kang. It could be goddamn Tang for all we know. But here's the thing. The timekeepers looked like Kang. Like their helmets. A refreshing space beverage could be behind all of this.

Tang to conquer. We, like, we have, like, did you drink Tang as a kid? Did you drink Tang? I'm asking because our Tang was in my era. Did they still have Tang? It was being phased out.

We, like, the one we have. I was like, you ever have Sips that like was just like the nastiest fucking juice box ever? No, I haven't had it before. Like Capri Sons were for rich folks. I could tell my family was doing good when we got Capri Sons. High C is in the middle. Sips was all the way down. And Tang by that point, I'm like, dog, nobody's drinking.

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40% less than the leading coffee creamers. Two good creamers are available in sweet cream, roasted vanilla and lavender. So which one are you trying first? Find two good creamers at your local retailer in the creamer aisle. All right, Loki and Sylvie. Interesting what you said

about Loki and Sylvie. It seems that the love or connection between Loki and Sylvie is what spawned your boner nexus event, like you said, the straight up boner. Is this, I wanted to ask you this question, is this the first time in the MCU where someone's uncontrollable horniness

threatens the fabric of reality? Yes. I was, the only one I could think about is Starlord and Gamora, but that was more Starlord being a fucking idiot than his horniness. It was love, though. It wasn't so much horny. He was just like overwhelmingly, damn

I can't believe you brought that up. I fucking hate that scene, bro. It's so bad. It may piss me off. Like, nobody had to get snapped away. Like, they could have won. Black Widow in there eating a peanut butter sandwich because Star Lord got in his feelings. But, no, I would have to say, so I'm trying to think of other times that they've risked it all for love.

The only thing I'll say is not horniness, but Captain America has a bad habit of not being willing to sacrifice just one person for, like, the fate of trillions of people, which I never understood that. Like, in a real way, it doesn't make any sense. But no, this is maybe the first time that actual, but I'm going to even say that this is more than a horniness, though, because so there was something that happened when I look at what was going on between Sylvie and Loki and then something that Siff said that's interesting to me.

So when Siff was kicking Loki in the nuts over and over and over again, you know, Loki gets it there, he keeps getting kicked in the nuts by Sylvie. And I know what that feels like. I know what it feels like to get kicked in the nuts over and over again because I watch Handmaid's tale. So every time you show up the handmade still I know where that was fucking going. It's just like getting kicked in your nuts

every single time. You're like, why am I looking at this? It's the most depressing shit ever. But she said something to him or he says something to her. They're talking and she says no one's ever going to care about you. No one's going to ever.

And he says to him, he says to her, he says, you know, I did that because like I'm a narcissist and because I just like to draw attention to myself because it makes me feel less alone. Okay. Sylvie is literally Loki learning how to love himself. Hmm.

It's like literally Loki, learning how to love himself, how to pour into himself, and how to not need to always make these grand distractions in order to make people pay attention to who he is. Sylvie, the relationship between Loki and Sylvie is Loki have to be, is Loki having to be detailed about his affections, detailed. detailed about his intentions and very, very intentional about everything that he does. It's the first time to where he's had to sit down and talk to somebody before getting busy and really, like, pour into them in a real way. And it's weird that he's pouring into himself.

Loki's lived a lot of his life in the shadow or mirroring Thor or about what it is that he doesn't have. Let's put it this way. Thor is the prince, I'm not the prince. I should rule. Let me prove to everybody I can rule. Let me prove to everybody that I'm this. Let me prove to everybody that I'm that. And his thing with Sylvie is very intimate. It's small.

It's about small conversations that lead to all of these bigger understandings. And it's also about him being selfless in a way, right? He wants to tell the people back in the TVA that they're actually slaves. It's got nothing to do with him. He already knows that he's a variant. So him falling in love with Sylvie, in a way, like him actually falling in love with himself. And it also is him actually falling in love with himself.

Hmm. Okay. This makes me like that twist more. Because when it happened, it felt a little rushed in that like we've talked all about like Loki this not being this basically being the Thor Ragnarok version, even though he didn't experience that stuff. And then I kept thinking I was like, he's only been with Sylvie for 24, maybe 48 hours at this point.

So it would have to be love at first. sight and I just didn't, I would buy the Mobius relationship if he had fallen in love with Mobius way more than I would have, that I bought the Sylvie relationship. But it does speak to his narcissism and it is a physical embodiment of him learning to love himself, which I do agree with. Now, could I push back? Is it possible that we get a back to the future moment where like Marty, when Marty kisses his mom, his mom like recoils and basically just like that doesn't feel right? Because in the comic book, Sylvie is kind of his kid, is kind of Loki's kid. And wouldn't that be the more selfless act of him learning how to love something that's

outside of himself? And potentially, that might be what everybody wants to happen. Is that, like, Loki, for him to have created a kid, would mean that he would have had to fall in love with someone, be selfless, raise someone up. And that maybe is why Silver. cannot survive because maybe in no other timeline does Loki have a kid. But I'm just going Galaxy Brain. No, I'll think you're going Galaxy Brain. I think one of the central questions is about what is the nature of Sylvie and Loki's connection right now?

Yes, because it does seem romantic on the face, but like Loki still is very confused, even when Mobius is pressing him, being like, this is romantic. And he's kind of like, I don't know. Like, he cares for her. But like, it's not necessarily clear in what capacity. he killed. Right, yeah. And right before Loki gets pruned, he is moving in. And the question is, is he moving in for El Smacarino? Was he going to kiss her? Or was he moving in to bear a part of his soul to her that was even deeper than what they've already shared? You know what I mean? It's very interesting. We also saw that shot that we thought was Black Widow. They were all lamenting. I got to be like, they keep getting us. I remember I was like, oh, man, he's going to born here.

This is, this is Black Widow. That shit, like, we get traits. I have nothing to do with goddamn Black Widow. Black Widow somewhere in Valhalla right now eating golden apples going, leave me alone. All right, wait. So this isn't, this is a question I have for you. Scientifically, let's put on our science caps or Bill Nye, the Science Guy Cicabs.

Oh, Jesus Christ. this is where we struggle. Let's go. Scientifically, if Loki is in love with his, like, female variant self, how would they have kids? I don't think there's any difference, you know? But would your kid just be a carbon copy of you? Because technically, I'm assuming that, like, 99.9% of the DNA between, like, Sylvie and Loki is exactly the same.

So would they just birth another Loki? Jomey explain to it. Wait, Jomey's, like, you know, explain time travel. Not genetics. No, I don't even want to even get into it because I never even thought about it. Jomey to explain her your thoughts. Well, here's the thing.

You guys know how, you know, the Putnam Square works where you know you got dominant genes and recessive genes. So I say all that to say, nobody really knows how this would work. Bye. You just said it.

It was just, yeah, John. Realistically, though. Bye, Joan. realistically, though. It should be, you know, they're the same person, assume they have the same DNA, so it should be like a genetic clone, right?

Just like the same DNA all the way down. Right. What you guys have to understand is that I'm much further removed from college than you guys are. I don't even like thinking about shit like that. Like, you know what I'm saying? I thought the putting up square was something in

South New York. Like, I don't know, I have no clue what's going on. It's been so long, since I've had to care. I hate it all. I actually appreciated. Jomi was just like... Jomey came in.

That was a very up and down because Jomey came in and dropped some jargon on us, right? Some nomenclature. And that made me think, I was about to say, yo, this motherfucker Jomey is the illest. All the other level.

By the time, he got about five seconds in, he doesn't know. But no, I guess, I mean, that's a question for the side right there. Okay. So, Mobius'

relationship with Ravona in this, I think we got more, to me personally, we got more about kind of their dynamic in this episode than ever before. Would you say that?

Most definitely. This, we keep saying Keng, but the whole back and forth between Movius and Ravona made me honestly think that she is the big bad. Like, we're never going to see King at this point. Because she actually seems to know

way more than she's letting on. And like that, and I think that's probably as far as the show is going to go. But I am wondering, like, what does she know that Mobius doesn't? Like, did she know who Mobius was as a human before he was plucked by the TVA? Like, did they have a romance? Did they have a family? Were they friends? Like, she says something to the effect of, like, we know how all of existence unfolds,

and you know how rare a friendship like this is. So was that friendship made in the TVA or was that friendship made before the TVA? and only Robona knows that. It has to have been made before the TVA because the moment that he mentioned being aware, not even being aware of having questions of his life before she hadn't pruned.

So it has to be that whatever connection that they have is essentially based in their common goal to maintain the integrity of the sake of timeline. And to your point, or to your question, she has to know more than him

because as soon as he asked that question, she gets him out of there. So she has to know that that's the wrong question, if you will, for him to ask or a question that threatens the stability of the organization that they have, right? So as soon as there is any hint that he knows that she hasn't pruned.

Also, that lends itself to my belief that there's been more than one Mobius or that these variants come, in my opinion, that there may actually be a point where these variants understand that they have past lives because Mobius is talking about jet skis, it's in there somewhere, right?

He's talking about jet skis even before this. So all it takes is someone to go, hey, jet ski, and he goes, maybe I was riding around on a jet ski. So maybe there is a point where these variants start to ask one too many questions and then you prune them and then go grab another one

or go back to the same point in time and grab another variant for whatever the purpose you need them for is which also might be another reason why there were multiple rings on her coffee table or whatever on her because there are multiple mobiuses that have come through there

are multiple mobiuses that she's had to deal with because whenever one starts to get a handker for some jet skis, got to prune them. So here is my thing. Is it insane to think that maybe actually Mobius is the big bad? Maybe Mobius is such a talented analyst that maybe there is like a top Mobius that's controlling the sacred timeline. And then they get variant Mobius.

Varient Mobius is. And then they just prune them when they start asking too many questions because they're really good at their. Mobius seems way more talented at his job than any other analyst. but maybe because of that he asked too many questions and Big Bad Mobius has to be like, nope, get him out of here. We're going to get him out of here. Well, to that point,

Mobius seems the best at his job. And the reality is that's why I don't think she wanted Mobius to interrogate Sylvie, right? Because maybe she understands that whatever exists in these Mobius variants, it leads themselves to be, it leads themselves to be inquisitive in a way that threatens the entire ruse of what it is that they have going on.

You know, he sits down and talks to her. And she also must have not known the degree to which Loki knew any of this stuff. Yes. Because at this point, she feels like Sylvie knows all of it, which is a mistake by Ravona, by the way. Because I don't know if they think that Loki and Sylvie are acting in cahoots with one another. My question is, why would she think that there was.

would be anything that Sylvie knew that she hadn't shared with Loki. So if Sylvie knows that the TVA are all variants and that they're coming from, they've been plucked out of wherever they were, whatever lies they were leaving, why would she

think that she hadn't told Loki that? Or is that not the reason that Ravona didn't want Mobius to talk to Sylvie? Is there something else that Sylvie can do? is there something else because, you know,

Sylvie can enchant you and then make you straight up remember where you came from? Is that what she didn't want Sylvie to maybe possibly do to Mobius? Here's the thing. Does Mobius know something from his human life that would be so disastrous if he learned it, that it topples the whole TVA? I mean, I get it. You know what I'm saying? Maybe he's the one guy that like, oh, like, if she restores his memories,

Mobius is going to remember something maybe about to start. of the TVA, maybe about the ruse that Verona's like, I can't, this can't happen. We can never let that happen. Yeah. No, maybe so. Maybe so. Maybe so.

Maybe so. Ravona's the one that is kind of keeping all of these trains on track. She seems almost as if she's acting as a singular entity within the TVA right now. That was my thought, too. Before, we've been, we're getting really heady. We're getting really heady in this episode. I like it. But I want to ask you one garbage question.

Can I ask you a garbage question? Of course. We saw how talented Sylvie was as a child, as a child time traveler. So what I want to ask you right now, in a time travel draft, who would be your number one overall pick? We're talking any time travel character. This could be Mobius, Sylvie, Marty McFly, Cable, the protagonist, from Tenet, The Terminator. Who would you pick overall first? It's definitely not anybody from Tenet.

It's a good question. Wow, I thought this was going to be so easy for you. I thought I knew no, no, no, no. I mean, I want to go with Marty McFly, but it's so on the nose that I want to think of something different. But yeah, I'd have to go Marty. I feel like Marty was the most consequential. Either Marty or like one of the Avengers, you know what I mean?

Why, who you got? Marty. Ooh, I was thinking, I'm thinking cable from the comic books. Like he gets busy. He survived multiple timelines. You know what I'm saying? Like he's badass as fuck. We don't know what's in his pouches.

I think I would have to go cable. I know, but see, the thing about cable is that, you know, cable slides around time a lot. But when I was reading books, cable came back and kind of stayed back for a while. That is true. Like, and Marty. And then also cable is, like, Marty is,

Marty's time travel is almost like, and we'll do this, who's the better time traveler? Marty versus Cable, throw that up on the, on the thing, like who, wait,

no, Marty's going to win. It's not, it's like, what I had to say, what I'm saying, too, Reese is up there. I change it all. Kyle Reese is number one. I'll tell you why.

Very few of these guys traveled back in time and got some ass. Kyle Reese came back in time and was still getting busy. Kyle Reese, so think about this about Kyle Reese, and we'll get back to the thing. I know you guys don't like the tangents as much, but I dig it.

They don't like the tangents? I felt like people love the tangents. So Kyle Reese comes back in time and there is this gigantic fucking unstoppable machine from the future who is trying to kill Kyle

kill his target and really subjugate the future of humanity and you know what Kyle Reese said girl we got a little time that's what Kyle Reese said yeah I know he's coming but girl we got a little time

wait is Kyle Reese your number one your number one pick now it's definitely got to be Kyle Reese it's definitely got because Kyle Kyle didn't came back. Over Marty? You're high, bro.

Kyle then came back and fathered the leader of the resistance. Kyle came back and fathered Kyle is John Connor's dad. In terms of sperm, probably the most valuable sperm in the temporal space in the universe. But anyway, let's get back to Loki. Right, right, right, right. Let's get back to Loki. Real quick mention here before we move on to the timekeepers, Mobius has mentioned that the TVA brought in Cree,

Titans, vampires. Ooh, we got a blade, a blade drop. A first mention of vampires in the MCU, so there are vampires out there. Don't know where they've been hiding. Probably been hiding at night in underground clubs sponsored by Deacon Frost. We're all

like sipping on blood bags like Capri's callback and just having a great time. But yeah, so I thought that was a cool little moment. Every time Marvel does a little something like that, well, they just throw something in, knowing it they're building to it. I'm like, I've been around with you guys 10, 13 years. I know what you're doing.

I know what you're doing. All right, let's get to the timekeepers. So, timekeepers, androids. There's a big battle scene where Loki and Sylvie beat up a bunch of hunters, Minutemen, and then they beat up these Minutemen and they're

only left with the timekeepers. You know, Ravone is down. Sylvie throws a blade, cuts off one of the heads of the timekeepers. We found out that the timekeepers are Androids. The Johnkeepers looked so wonky when they first started talking that I knew something was happening. I knew immediately that they were fake the minute like they showed up. I was just like these aren't real.

It's like they looked like an attraction from like fucking it's the small world. They look like Chuckie Cheese. Chuckie Cheese animatronics. Shadow Chuckie Cheese. I miss Chuck Chew me. Shout out of Cheese, man. That's the homie. And I knew and I knew.

I knew did you know that Chuckie Cheese's name is Charles Entertainment Cheese? Yes. Where have you? Wait, are you too old for Chuckie Cheese? Did you ever have a birthday there? It started in my era. Yeah, like, yeah, like it started in my head. Oh, you were, you, damn.

Yeah, Charles Entertainment Cheese. Charles Entertainment Cheese. That's my name, right. But what did the revelation about the timekeepers do for you? The fact that they are androids. Nothing, because I thought from the beginning they're not real. Like, from the beginning, there was just too many clues when, like, Bloke was, like, kidding around that, like, Moby's, like,

Mobies, you're letting lizards boss around, basically. So I knew from the beginning, I was just like the timekeepers cannot just be the timekeepers. So it just was like a cool moment. I thought the design was incredible. Like I said earlier in the episode, they look very, very similar to Kang's costume. Like I think they have, like one of them has like a purple helmet. I thought the design was amazing. A question that I had about that scene is if the timekeepers aren't actually serving any real function,

what's the purpose of bringing Loki and Sylvie in front of them to be deleted. They have to serve some function. Or is it all for show? Is it once again, could it be that maybe Ravona because they weren't the only people in those rooms in that room

that Ravona is bringing people forth to the timekeepers to be deleted in order to further the legend of the timekeepers? That's one of the big questions I have coming out of this because if they're not real,

then what's with the dog and pony show? And it's very heavy-handed in a purposeful way. Because when you walk in there, there's smoke and there's an effect and there's a whole deal. It's very much so like the Wizard of Oz, all of the distractions that Oz used to keep people from peeking behind the curtain. So it's interesting to me. I wonder what the purpose of that is. Did you have any thoughts on that?

So my first thing is potentially they brought Sylvie and Loki to the timekeepers because they want to know what they know. Right. Like right now, it's obvious that Revona doesn't know everything that Sylvie does. Like maybe Sylvia's still holding onto some secrets or whatever. So I took it as they're about to get pruned, but before they get pruned, they have to go basically in front of these time judges. And they are through fear, through different tactics, they're going to find out some information that they need. Interesting.

Maybe. But that's also a stretch. It's not a stretch. we don't know. It's not a stretch at all. We don't know, but we do know that they still serve a function, enough of a function that Rivona will want to bring people in front of them in order to kind of get to bring people in front of them

to at least play it off as if they have something to do with whatever. So maybe she was hoping that, like you said, in front of the timekeepers that she would learn something more about Loki and Sylvie. But who knows? Sylvie ends up wanting not revenge on Rvona for Proof. Loki, which was, wow, Loki got pruned. In the moment that Mobius got pruned, that made me look at pruning different. I knew, there was no way they were getting rid of Mobius episode four.

Right. So when Loki got, when Mobius got pruned, I was like, okay, so pruning is something different than what I thought it was. And this also goes back to sort of us seeing other people get pruned sort of cavalierly. and we thought Jesus Christ, whoever would do something like that, these people are definitely, definitely super ill and crazy and vicious.

But no, pruning is a more like a cosmic time, time out, perhaps, than it is actually taking somebody's life. Well, during that an episode, we learned that, like, the TVA's version of jail is a time limit. Right.

So they have some type of, of control over time where they not only can just jump into different time places or whatever. They can also loop time. So when they're pruning somebody, that might also be another way

they manipulate time. Right. Because all these other lokies are in this space. So my question is, is like when they're pruning someone, is it like a collection thing? Is it almost like a brainyac Superman thing

where they have a place where they could put little people in jars in time out? And make sure that the sacred timeline stays or another thing. Variance. Is that how they keep track of all the variants?

Maybe when Mobius does something that they don't like, he asks too many questions. They prune him, make him forget everything, and then put him back. And then prune them and that's a reset, sort of. And the reset, then you can go grab them again. Before we get to that.

Because I want to ask a question real quick. Before we get to the post-credit scene, I want to, because that, that gives us a lot of answers to what we're just talking about. But before we get to that, I thought it was interesting that the episode ended with Sylvie wanting information

rather than seeking revenge against Ravona. And at first I thought, damn, she just pruned Loki, she just killed Loki. You don't want no get back real quick. But I think it goes to show that all the questions that we want to know

are questions that are worth asking because even inside of the narrative, of the show itself, which is just doing a breathtaking job of playing all of these interpersonal relationships between one another. Even the interpersonal relationship between Mobius and Rivona, right?

It's from his, from Mobius' side of it, it's, he seems to have an affection for her and she seems to have more of a, she treats him like a pet almost. Like he seems to have a real affection for her and a real like, it's actually a good depiction of like what a boss sort of subordinate relationship is like. Well, he was, he did say that thing.

He's like, I knew I was your favorite analyst. Like that he wants her respect and admiration. Yeah, like you'd be talking with your boss, like your boss is your friend. Like, hey, we went out to dinner together and celebrate this and this, that motherfucker will fire you. I know this firsthand. I haven't spoke to Harvey. 11 since TMZ.

Man, me and this dude used to be chilling. Like, you know what I'm saying? Damn, so it wasn't a Ravona-Mobvious relationship? That, he pruned the shit out of me. You know what I'm mean? So, so. But that's interesting. But at the end of it, Sylvie seems to kind of buck the trends of these, like,

not buck the trend, but she seems to define what her relationship was with Loki is about by actually wanting to know more rather than to get some sort of emotional revenge on Ravona. And I thought that was very keen. It shows what an important character Sylvie is. Well, I thought when that happened, I was just like, oh, this makes sense. Because if Sylvie has been running her entire life and has been living within apocalypse after apocalypse after apocalypse, her goal is still to take down the TBA. Because if she just gets rid of Ravona, that doesn't mean that she's getting rid of the TVA. And what she asked,

like, she's asking her because the only way that she's ever going to be free is if she topples this organization. Very true, very true. Okay, so that brings us to the post-credit scene. So in the post-credit scene,

this is after Loki's has been pruned. He is, he wakes up in a ruined, decimated New York City. And the first thing he says is, is this hell. And then he is greeted by four Loki variants. The Kit Loki, Classic Loki.

boastful Loki and the gator. All right. The gator was like, I guess, a small. It's like an alligator, Loki. Shout out to Louisiana with the Loki thing on. So we've seen a lot of this. And it looks like in the background,

you see a destroyed Avengers Tower in the background. This is a decimated in New York City. What does this mean to you? We just talked about what happens when you get pruned. Do you think all of these other loki's had, in fact, been pruned? Because one Loki then says, hey, if you don't come with me, you actually will be dead. What's the danger in this situation?

Where are they? And more importantly, when are they? So part of me thinks. Part of me was like, is this a loop? Where basically they've been going through the timeline, taking these Loki variants. Like everything that's happening with Mobius and Loki has probably happened before. And they're trying to figure out the right combination for whatever needs to happen.

Because all of these Loki seem to know. something that our look, he doesn't. So first my brain was like, maybe they've all been friends with Mobius. They've all been kidnapped by the TVA. And like, they're going to teach our guy some shit that he doesn't know. That was where my first, my mind went. What about you? Well, they've been there for a while.

They obviously know something that he doesn't know. Time is acting funny here. We don't know how time in this place relates to time from the TVA. So we don't know how long or exactly what point in the history of New York or the earth that they're actually at. But they do seem to know something that our Loki obviously doesn't. They're telling him, get up, let's go.

And there seems to be some element of danger there. Also, we haven't seen one version of Loki that we saw in the trailer, which is like the mayor of Loki. I'm wondering if that's coming in this particular. Are they going to be taken to a place where one Loki maybe rules that entire deal? And these other lokies are up against him. and they need our loki's help for whatever reason. I watched a recap video,

and it said that one of the lokies seemed worthy because he had me an ear in his hand. The black loki. The black loki. Shout out black loki. Hell yeah. Shout out black loki. Shout out blokey.

That's his name. Loki. Blokey. He's a, he's blokey. I like black loki, man. Do you think you could live, you on the air? No, hell no.

You said that's so quick. There's no way I could lift me on there, bro. Like, I actually subscribe to, never mind. No, never mind. Just my browser history. There's no way I could lift me in there. Like, there's no way.

What are you talking about? Thor has done some sexual shit that he cannot talk of. At the same time, at the same time, though, he also does other stuff. like he's saving a bunch of people you know what I mean I believe in you van I think you could

I think you could live me in here if you really try no bro like no no hell no I can't lift me in here man no by the way there wouldn't be like

very many people on earth who could actually lift me in here by the way who would they be top three in our top three people who could make Greta Thumburg I was about to say

AOC probably Greta Grutter Thumburg could probably live me in here I don't know, maybe old-ass Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter? Jimmy Carter is a good guy. He's like he was a-

I don't know, man. Jimmy Carter was like a bad president. I don't get against Jimmy, but I wouldn't be the first person I go to. I got one from the past. Dr. King. Dr. King, Martin Luther King, Jr. could lift me in you. Ah.

You don't think Dr. King? He had some sexual proclivities that might, you know. So what? So what? Don't matter. He did enough. Like, he did enough to where it balances out. You think it balances out?

Dr. King could lift me and you. That's such an easy one. I do agree if anybody, Martin Luther King. So we have Greta Thumburg, Martin Luther King, who Prince. Prince is my last one.

Okay. You don't think Prince can lift him? Maybe. I don't have time. I'm trying to think Prince has done a lot for some. I'm trying to think. Everything that Prince is given us, you don't think Prince can become the way.

Desmond, I think Desmond Tutu, like what, Steve says, Prince is literally Loki. Get out of you. Like, Prince. Prince is more Loki than he is Thor to me. Prince is more Loki than he is Thor to me. People with me and him.

All right. So, like I said, we have yet to see Mayor Loki. But maybe pruning is actually, like we said, the TVA dumping people in a doomed timeline, in a timeline where everything has gone completely wrong. And where it's essentially almost like hell. The question is, it's a question, a very philosophical question. would you rather rain in hell than serve in heaven?

That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a question that people ask. I don't want to be on fire for all of eternity, but some people say, hey, maybe it's cool if I get to call the shots. So the question is with this whole Meriloki thing, are we going to find a Loki variant or a version of Loki that would rather basically reign in hell than serve in heaven or serve anywhere else that's actually pretty good? Because he is a god, right? All right. Leaving here, you've covered a lot. What is the biggest question that you have going into the next episode?

I think it's simple. Who is controlling the strings of the timekeepers? You know what I mean? Or the TVA in general. Like, who is the person behind the curtain? And the thing that I think probably scares me most about Loki sticking the landing is that, like, I don't know if they can introduce

a new character at this point. Like, I don't know if they can introduce an antagonist. with only two episodes left. Whoever the antagonist is has to be somebody we already know. I think that that was proven in Wanda Vision, that was proven in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, whoever the big bad is going to be, they're not introduced by episode two or three.

You know what I mean? So who was pulling the strings? Right now my bet is on Ramona. Rivona. Well, it seems pretty obvious right now that it's Rivona, but it seems almost too obvious, although it seemed too obvious that Sharon Carter was Powerbroker. That's my thing.

We're always like, same thing with what you're going to call it in Wanda Vision. Agatha. Agatha. Agatha. I get it. Shout out Ralph Boner. My guy. Worst decision in the MC.

My biggest question is, how does Loki get back in the action? Obviously, your question is great, and it's probably the question that most people are going to have, and it's probably the correct question I have. My question is, how's Loki going to get back in action? What's going to happen where Loki is right now? in this doom timeline with these other loki's to get him back into where he's, he's gonna have to find out something really fundamental

about the way this universe works in order for him to get back to where Sylvie is having this situation or having this conversation or learning what she's gonna learn from Ramona or get to get back to the TVA. He's gonna have to learn something very fundamental about the inner workings of all this to get back. And my question is,

what he's gonna learn and how is it gonna get back? You know? Because it's his show, even if it doesn't end up being his show because this show could be about Loki finding himself finally loving himself like I said before

and then a new Loki assuming the mantle who knows we don't know how the MCU is where my brain is going because like we're going to talk about it later but this phase of the MCU is definitely they are going hard and like we need you guys to love these new version

of these characters like in every single new MCU entry, we're getting kind of there like, all right, guys, we got these new characters. Do you love them yet? And that's where I think we're going. And this does seem like a swan song for our current version of Loki. Right. Tom Hidlinson moves on. He goes and plays James Bond or something like that.

And then that's it. You know what I mean? Who knows? Maybe this Loki is done. But we're going to find out in these next couple episodes. Okay. Look, here's a deal. That's it for us.

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I've just never seen a more disappointed person in their life. It's just me and a mound of Capri Sun carcasses around me. And I just looked, and I remember I looked at, I was defeated at that point. I remember I looked up at him like, my bad dog. And all he just said, he looked at my mama, he went, what is wrong with that boy? He didn't eat. They didn't even whip me.

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