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Episode Date: October 13, 2023

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Jomey to explain to Jenner on you. You've got questions. He's got answers. We are. Steve, architect, almond, the builder, and tinker of things. We are. Old Man Van, he of the receding resurgent hairline. And we are Coke, baby Chuck, aka the 24-carriced closer,

aka the brunch haughty together. We are known as a little men. Night, boys. I don't know. All right. Follow some socials, Instit Twitter, Facebook,

TikTok, save Jommi's job. Be careful out there on socials. All right. I'm just saying a lot of stuff out there to bring you down, man. Be careful. That's moves. That's the peace.

I'm just saying, bro, love to everyone out there. Jomey, give us an update on socials. I've seen you do something interesting here. I've seen you prioritize yourself on socials.

I've seen Jomey in a lot of TikToks, a lot of reels. You're kind of using this to propel your own brand. Talk about the show. Are me all up in the videos? All up in the videos. So this is, I'm really glad you brought this up, man. This is great.

Because not only when I'm like, hey guys, do you guys want to do videos in the text thread, I get ghosted. Right? And so now if I don't make the videos, then no one makes of videos. You see what I'm saying? And I have a job to do. You understand? You feel me? Right? I got to make content. So you're not trying to put yourself on, Jomey?

No. I got to make content. If nobody else is going to make the content, here I am. You know what I mean? So it's not ideal, but it is what it is. If Jomey gets TikTok famous, he's going to leave us so fucking quick, yeah. Like, he's going to just act like you're going to get into a TikTok house and act like you don't fucking know us. Jomi, what TikTokers are you going to be going on the house with? I'm not, no, first of all, I'm not a team player like that. First of course, let me be very clear. I'm going to get a brand deal, you know, gonna sign like a couple good brand deals and I'm out of there.

Goodbye. You'll never hear or see from me ever again. I know what you're gonna be. You're gonna be with some of those girls doing some of those dances. TikTok is a-talking about girls. I'm gonna derail this so quickly. How many oysters do you think you would have got through before you had to leave? Bro.

What? The oyster situation. I'm being so serious right now. The third plate, I'm out of there. The third plate of oysters, I'm gone. It's such to the point that I have problems believing that's a real story. I watch you shut down one full plate of oysters.

When the second one comes, I'm like, nigga, I know you ain't getting them more oysters. And it's not even about the case. It's not even about the case. Are you kidding me? It's the slurping. I can't like, The slurping.

The side was gross. I don't know if I've ever been to Atlanta, but ain't no beaches there. Them oysters had to travel, baby. Right. Like, you know what I'm saying? Well, look. The oysters didn't look that fresh enough to be, like, doing 48. And then by the second crab cake, like, I'd be like, yo, what do we do.

Bro, no, it's 48 oysters. And then, like, all right, um, all right, let me get started with my meal. Let me get out of it. Potatoes and all of that stuff. She was going. Wild. She's got an addiction. She's got a problem.

God bless her. Programme, Reminders. Oh, the program. Remedders. Okay. On Saturday,

Jess Clemens brings you Splash Page with Easter eggs on the latest episode of Loki. Tune in to Splash page. Just Clemens. Shout out to her.

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Don't call me. I am a ghost. Okay. Also on Monday. House of our will give you their deep dive into Loki. You can also find them doing other stuff over there

on the House of our podcast feed. Chuck Wagons. got something to say as well. Oh, yeah, if y'all have ever wondered, you know, Charles works at the ringer. I feel really bad for whoever asks to manage that motherfucker. That sounds terrible. It is, but I want to send a special shout out to Justin Sales because he has a new

ringer podcast coming out. First episode, October 17th, called the Wedding Scammer. Oh, my God. So if you've ever been scammed by anybody in the wedding world, if you're into true crime, fucking bug. This is going to be one of the best TrueKime pods this year. October 17th.

Subscribe right now, wherever you get your podcast. Let me tell you something. Shout out to Justin, who looks like he could play like, you guys ever meet Justin. Justin looks like he could play the tough white guy

that is in a group of black guys in the movie and the hood movie. He does. I'll fuck with Justin Heavy. I've been in and around the office. as Jomey has when Justin's been making this, y'all, this is going to destroy you guys. It's going to knock your goddamn socks off.

It is going to. It's a nuts story. As long as we're talking about people from the office, I would like to shout out Dan from the office. Dan from the ringer came to the house last weekend for football. Steve did not come. Said he was going to come and didn't come. I had plans.

Bullying Steve. That's not going to happen, Charles. I'm just going to let that ride. whatever. Okay. Dan came over, and I want to say something real quick. It was me, Dan and Jomey and Kalika.

Dan is a copy editor over at the ringer. Very nice guy. Hanging out. Cool. Great guy. Them hot wings was kicking Dan's fucking ass. Oh, no. Yeah.

Oh, no. Wait, where'd you get him from? Where'd you get them from? We got them from American Deli. Our new spot, American Deli. Obviously, if you, from Atlanta, you know American Deli. We haven't had American. Are the wings really hot?

Or was, were they white boy hot? Not really. Not really. Good though. Real good. They weren't really hot. I got the chili flavor. And then I think we got, because you can get a mild with the limit flavored.

And then I got a regular hot. But they're not super hot. Dem wings was whooping. Dan. Yes. Was he sweating? Brother, he had to take the napkin and wipe his, wife his eyebrows, bro. Yeah.

You know, if there's white man come over your house, you didn't get him some, like, really mild wings. Oh, no, we had regular, we had regular lemon pepper over there, too. We have four different flavors, but he was getting his ass kid. He said, no, no, it's hot. I was hot before. I was working out before I came in. I was clicking out of the wings.

He was sweating. He also, this guy, keep it all the way real. Dan, you're my guy. You're officially in the crew now that you've been getting made fun of. He made a couple of trips to the bathroom. No. Damn. Wow.

We were like, don't, John, am I bullshit? You're not lying. You're not lying. Shout out to Dad, God,

man. Shout out, man. Shout out, shout out, shout out Dan. Damn, my guy, bro.

We had so much fun, man. Football on the weekend over at the Lathen House. Let's get into Loki season two. We have an MCU spoiler, guys, and that's going to spoil

everything that you've seen in the MCU up to this point. Later on, we might even spoil some of your hopes for the Marvel's movie. But until then, God, we're going to spoil. Everything you've seen up to this point, everything from Loki season one. Steve, giving me my spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about...

Looky! You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Can't talk about it without you knowing about it to put you in the no is Chuck Wagon. Gonna give you the Midnight Manifest. Chuck, take it away. This is your midnight manifest for Loki episode two, Breaking, Brad, directed by Dan

DeLoo, written by Eric Martin. Loki and Mobius Huntdown X-5, who has resumed his old life is Brad Wolf, an actor in a new movie Zaniac. Brad was sent by Doc's faction to find Sylvie, but he ends up abandoning his post. Loki, Mobius, and B-15 try to interrogate Brad about Sylvie's whereabouts, but the rogue hunter gets under Mobius's skin, question. why the analyst isn't curious about the life the TVA took from him. Mobius reveals Loki that he's afraid his old life was good and will make him reevaluate everything he knows. The deal will

commiserate over Keyline Pie and come up with a plan to torture the information out of Brad. Successful, Loki and Mobius take Brad to the McDonald's that Sylvie is working at, but the Loki variant doesn't want anything to do with our Loki. Meanwhile, B-15 and Casey visit Obie, who tells them he's kicked out of the TVA system and the only one who could get him back is he remains, who is dead, or the rogue AI, Miss Minutes. Back at McDonald's, Mobius learns from Brad that docs plans to destroy all of the branch timelines. Loki, Mobius, and Sylvie are too late to stop docs, and the majority of the branch timelines get pruned.

Sylvie boxed at the TVA's failure and returns to McDonald's leaving our Loki alone. And that has been your midnight manifest for Breaking Brad, episode two of Loki. All right, Loki season two, episode two. We liked episode one. What did we like about episode two, Chuck Wagon? guys, I can't, I can't believe I'm saying this, but we're two for two. Oh my God. I was so, I was so nervous.

I was so nervous. I can't believe. I'm saying this. I'm so surprised as y'all are, but I was digging this fucking episode. I was, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if my mindset has changed. I don't know what's happening. But I really like that this is a workplace comedy.

I just think it is so funny. every single character. They have their moment. This show is so well designed. I wanted to eat that key lime pie. So wait, really quick, before I keep going, was the actual key lime pie nasty? Because did you all notice,

Tom Hiddleston wasn't really eating the pie? He was eating. That's clearly a fake key lime pie. It's a prop pie. And there's like bits of pot pie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's like a bit of real pie like next to it that you can actually eat.

No, Steve, there's no pie there. It's fake pie and whipped cream because he's just licking his spoon. Yeah, it's just the whipped cream that he's in. The problem is, I mean, like, again, I don't want to get into it. Like, I'm watching it. I'm like, brother, eat the pie. You're just eating the whipped cream. There's a whole bunch of pie there.

You're not even touching the pie. You do know, though, that key lime pie sometimes there's a math equation of key lime pie to where you get the perfect amount of sweetness with the perfect amount of lime taste. Because sometimes you can get a key lime pie that's a little too tart. And then that ruins it. But you got to have a sweeter key lime pie

and that works. So they might have fucked up the pie. It might have been too tart or too tangy and Hiddleston was like, fuck all this. I can't get it. To be fair for a pie that was sitting in a box, possibly all day for several days, that was looking pretty good.

Here's the thing. The other thing I wanted to know about is like, we only see the TV, like we see the 1% of the TVA who got like the good jobs. Can you imagine if you were like a variant and your whole life gets fucked so you could just be like making key lime pies all day? Just because somebody's got to make the food at the TVA.

So somebody like hijacks cake boss off the timeline. and they just got him making desserts. Everybody has a job. I like Cake Boss. I did like this episode. A couple of interesting things. Number one, obviously this has a slightly different tone, both visually and I would say beat to beat than Loki season one, which seemed to be a little bit more wondrous, eclectic, ethereal, shrouded in mystery. but a lot of that also had to do with the fact that we were being introduced into this world

where time didn't really work in the conventional way, almost a new version of the Loki character. We were getting used to all of these variants. It was all very avant-garde. We're a little bit used to that now. So I think that the creative team of Loki actually made the right decision by not leaning so much into that and saying, okay, you understand this, now let's give you a story.

You can sink your teeth into a little bit more. And I think that that's happening here. Kalika, who watches these shows with me, actually has been enjoying season two of Loki more than season one. Now, I'm not about to compare the seasons. We're two episodes in and whatever. Loki Season 1 was a masterpiece. But for her, it's probably a little bit more accessible

than the first season was. So I'm wondering how that's working for some people. I know that there have been some people that have had the exact opposite reaction to where they felt like the first season was a little bit more adventurous, a little bit more out there, a little bit grander. And this is a smaller version. But I'm loving the new characters that have been introduced. I'm loving Loki going back to meet Sylvie again.

I'm really into the show right now. Strong second episode as well. Mint Boys, what you got. And really enjoying it, man. Like you, like you mentioned, I think the part of the show that I'm really enjoying the most is the Loki-Mobius relationship.

You know, it's really like a buddy cop show. And we're watching these two dudes travel through time, travel through the multiverse in, like, trying solve crimes, which is awesome. I'm having a blast. The key line pie scene is great.

You know, it's just a moment of, like, true vulnerability between the two guys. where Moby's like, hey, you know, he actually did get under my skin after all the line I was to tell you earlier. Look, he's like, hey, man, I've been there. You know, I took over New York and, you know, try to take over, you know, try to kill Tony Stark the whole thing. That's such a great, like, revisionist history of being like, oh, yeah, I just had a little

hissy fit and try to take over Earth. I'm like, no, you were legit beefing with Thor and your dad and like. You know, what catch you guys a question. That doesn't bother you when they do stuff like that. I know that. I keep going back to this well. That doesn't bother you when they do stuff like that. I know it's common.

So here's the thing about the comic books that to me still doesn't translate over into the movies and the television shows. In the comic books, you do a whole bunch, you do a terrible thing. Hey, I turned it to the Dark Phoenix. I almost destroyed the world. Blah, blah, blah. Now I'm regular Gene. It's okay. Right?

And it's just the way that it works. But, like, when you watched it, I don't want to make jokes about, like, what happened in New York. There was a lot of carnage. Here's my thing. A lot of people died. Oh my God. People had dust all over their face. It was a lot of carnage.

I don't want to make jokes about it. I don't think it's funny. Here's the thing. At least as far as the MCU is concerned, when Tony Stark hand-waved Ultron in Civil War to be like, my fault, like, it was over from there. There's no point. There's no point at which any villain, hero, or otherwise

can see a thing that we saw and be like, Crazy time, right? Let me tell you this. Steve thinks, Steve thinks Tony creating Ultron is the worst thing that anybody's ever done in the MCD.

Tony should be in jail. It's worse than Thanos. I'm not going to, Tony should be in jail. Ultron is like top three, top five territory if we're going to be. All right.

But let me tell you the difference, though. Let me tell you the difference, though. It's a difference when you create something and then it goes to an unintended place. Like, you create the AI, the AI, gets corrupted and it goes to an unintended place. But when you have every opportunity to not release that AI,

because you knew it wasn't ready. Oppenheimer is 100% innocent. No, hold on. Oppenheimer made a bomb. And the purpose of the bomb was to kill hundreds of thousands of people. Ultron was supposed to be something that would protect people. And then it turned into a maniacal robot. Now, it's all about the intent is,

what you're saying. This is a very slippery slope. No, no, no. No, what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that Loki tried to take over the world. Yes. And he killed a bunch of people and destroyed parts of an American city. I will also say this. Bucky slightly, slightly gets a pass because of the brainwashing situation.

But the reality there is, nigga, you at least got to go to jail for like five years. Right? I mean, don't you at least got to go to jail. go to like, don't you at least have to go to jail for like five years, six years, minimum security? No. Come on, man. For brain.

You wasn't, like, you get an insanity plea. That's fine. But like, if I'm a lawyer, if I'm working at like Murdoch and fucking Nelson, what I would argue is, is that the Winter Soldier and Buckey Barnes are two complete different entities. They are not one in the same. My client, my client was on Demon Time, Your Honor. You are two totally different entities. First of all, you're doing the.

and Skywalker and Dawson's Fader situation. And it really don't matter. You held the lightsaber in your hand, my friend.

Whoa. Go see those younglings. It is not the same thing. Bucky had no control. He got fucking brainwash. What are we doing? I'm with you, and that's why you have

the court-mandated therapy sessions he was going to and Falcon and the Winner Soldier. And then he went to Okanda and then he was broken and he got, and he absolved himself and it was better. Can I tell you something though?

You know what? And we have to really get back to Loki. But can I tell you something you know it cuts against that for Bucky. He didn't kill Steve. We never, he was never ordered to kill Steve. Well, he couldn't kill Steve.

Well, he was ordered to kill Steve once and he could do it. Are you? Are you saying? He's not here. Are you fucking, he's not there already. He's dead right now. If I'm prosecuting Bucky Barnes, I'm like, hey man, he he chopped up a lot of

shield niggas. But when it came time to kill his boy, for some reason he left him on the side of the thing. It is Captain America, though. It is Captain America. It's not like you can't beat Captain America. Yo, he had the opportunity. Are y'all dead to rights?

Are y'all shitting me? He had the opportunity to kill Captain America. He was dead and he did not kill him. He dragged him out the water. He saved his life because it's his friend. That was when the brainwashing was starting to fade. No, it was. Y'all make it.

No, it's not. Y'all like, y'all, y'all, y'all, real quick, I saw him at the gym. I saw him at the gym. Sebastian stand. I saw Sebastian stand at the gym a couple of days ago. Yeah, he was at Eagle Knox. That's sick. That's fire.

Yeah, so anyway, about Loki. Back to Loki. Back to Loki. I thought the stuff between Sylvie and Loki was also great. And that scene with X5 and Mobius in the McDonald's when he's like, hey, man, we got to go. Moby's like, just enjoy the meal. And you slowly, but surely's like, yo, bro, something is going on.

Why do you want to leave so bad? And, like, I think the relationships, like the characters are, like, on 10 this season. I'm really, really like when I'm seeing so far. It's especially that. Shout out to the actor that plays X-5, Raphael Kiselle.

Like, he's incredible in this episode, and I genuinely think he might be, like, on like a star-making run for, like, his Marvel stuff. It was his episode. It was great. It was so, so, so good. And to the slight comparison, not comparison of seasons one and two, I think both of these work on opposite like spectrums, because while we could say that season one is like an intimate character study of Loki, this is a very plot heavy and ticking time bomb race against the clock story that is very informed by small intimate character interactions.

carrying over from season one. And it's done very well. They're executed very differently, but still exceedingly well. When we come back to OB, it's like just like we never left. Like I'm like, I feel like I've been in a single season with OB already.

Like I'm on board. Like they really dropped these characters in a very immersive way. The story itself here, uh, it actually asks the watch. the viewer, should I say, to do some heavy lifting, right? There's a lot going on. There are a lot of threads out there.

I was so confused. Like, at one point, I'm just like, I'm just going to just watch it. It's the techno babble. It's the like, oh, the tempad making the trackers not do the. Once I start talking about the tip pad and everything, I'm like, all right, man, y'all, y'all can have it. But to, to the season's credit, I love the characters and the humor and the world so much that on any other show I would be like,

I'm going to turn this off. And the techno babble is just kind of like, you know what, it's whatever. They'll get back to me understanding them in like five seconds. A pretty significant plot happening takes place in this season. They essentially get back

to pretty much the sacred timeline, which undoes a pretty important development from the end of the season last season what did you guys think about that? I mean, you know, number one, the moment came across

really well on screen. You saw them mourn the lives that were lost. But if we're back to the sacred timeline, is that almost like a reset to the season before? Did they just punt on the chaos of the multiverse by doing that? I mean, I think

if we're going to be real, the reason that Loki got a season two, besides it being one of the best of the MCU, and I think it was always kind of baked in. I think it's their right to be like, are these branch timelines the most interesting part of this story? And I just don't actually think it is. The question that they are asking,

I was the most enthralled during the keyline pie scene when Mobius is explaining why he does not want to understand or know what his other life was like. the science behind the branch timelines and what does it mean for the multiverse and all of that, like, I thought I cared. And the more I spend with these characters and the more I see X5 becoming Brad and realizing that, like, this is what he wants to do instead of the TVA.

I'm like, no, that's more interesting. Let's stay here for a second. Let's stay here for a second because that's a very profound observation. As the MCU has moved on, as it goes from this guy. who got taken captive and create this armor to save his life and then

had this revelatory moment and decided he wasn't going to make weapons anymore as it went from there to gods in the sky to a guy who wants to kill half of all humanity to wizards to you know we're going back in time

as it's going forward it's been difficult, in my opinion, for the MCU to get us interested in characters that they're adding to the saga. We spend a lot of time with those last characters, but it's almost like diminishing returns of how much we care about some of these characters. Like, we care about Dr. Strange, right? He got in at the right point, but not nearly as much as we cared about some of the other OG Avengers and some people are like in and around him, right? This show is, you know, taking the high, lofty aspirations that, you know, have evolved from the beginning of Marvel

and kind of putting them in the back seat to doing something that all great media, cinema, content has to do, which is making us love the people on the screen. It's not about the Ten Rings. It's not about the Celestials. It's not about any of that stuff. You love OB. Brad is cool. Sylvie is a character that you're like, I want to see her happy.

Loki, you want to see them reunited. When Mobius talks about the fact that he doesn't want his life back, you're thinking, oh my God, he doesn't want the jet ski anymore, like really what's going on with him. It's an intimate story in a way that's really, really working. Charles, is this a new blueprint for the MCU? you, I mean, not necessarily knew they've already done it, but do you feel like this show is almost giving them an idea of how they should like approach these things moving forward? Maybe they got a little bit too big for their britches. I mean, I hope so. Like, I hope that they take the right

lesson, which is exactly what you, you've laid out, which is these stakes, these more human and intimate stakes that are relatable, will make us love these characters way more than just, hey, this character needs to get to this character to do this thing with this McGuffin. What I'm worried about is the energy's not there. Where if Loki Season 2 came out before Secret Invasion

and Miss Marvel and Moon Night, I think we would be having a different conversation about it because you wouldn't have as much as of the fatigue. I'm starting to feel like Loki Season 2 and the reaction to it is less about whether people like this season

of TV and more so like I'm so exhausted with all of this. If it's not moving the larger story forward, keep it. Which I actually like, it, which sucks. I honestly feel like it, it, for some critics, it might actually be the opposite. Where to the fact that like if we can't tell the difference between what the better Marvel efforts are and what we think are the good ones, which obviously is subjective, it's a matter of opinion, but like for people like us that have been here since, you know, Falcon Mooner Soldier, Wanda Vision, and we've seen it all, we know that Marvel can and has done a lot worse than this.

And I genuinely don't know what we're, like what we can't expect from our expectations anymore. Because as good as this can be, is it really going to move the needle for anybody's type of fatigue? or does it genuinely have to be something different? I'm fully satisfied with what I'm getting out of Loki season two, though. You know what the thing about fatigue is? The only remedy to fatigue is rest. Yeah. Whenever you're fatigued, doing more of the thing is not the answer to your fatigue, right?

So if you're running, hey, getting sick of running, let me run some more. Yeah, stop running. So if people have Marvel fatigue and it's really, real true Marvel fatigue, the only thing that would remedy that is actually less Marvel stuff, right? Or something that's so good that it re-energizes you.

But I think sometimes we overestimate or we underestimate how good that thing would have to be. I think right now if Winter Soldier dropped, that it wouldn't make as much of a splash with some of the fan base because they are fatigued.

They're literally fatigued. some of this stuff is not as bad as we're making it and some of this stuff might not be as good as we're making it. But if the fatigue thing is true, then the only thing that's really going to get people out of that is taking a break from it. Loki right now is actually, you know, I know that there are critics out there that watch four episodes

and there have been some mixed reviews coming in, but Loki right now is actually operating at a pretty high level. But people aren't going crazy at all. I don't know if it's just coming off a soak or whatever. But Jomey, do you see the buzz on Loki being crazy right now? No, it's definitely muted. I'm trying to understand it with you guys because, you know, like Charles said, if this was, you know, maybe like a couple months, maybe like even a year,

people would be buzzing. He'd be like, oh, man, Bob was cooking. They got the gas. Let's go. We're here. But with this show, I guess after, you know, just the months and the weeks of, the content we've been getting, we finally get something good, but then by now we're like, all right, cool, for sure, thank you, thank you, you know, all right, cool, we knew y'all could get

here, what took y'all so long, you know what I mean? It's less of a celebratory type thing than it is like, finally, that you're finally back, thank God, you know, which is unfortunate, but it is what it is at the end of the day. And, you know, like we said, we're enjoying it, you know what I mean? Like, a lot of the fans are having a good time so far, so, you know, hopefully it keeps going. This episode is brought to by Nass Energy, introducing new Nass Energy Grand Prix Guava for those that want to be fueled up and fired up

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Seeing Sylvie, man, in that McDonald's made me think of so many things. You know, you guys eat McDonald's now. What? Hold on. Let them cook. Let them cook. You guys eat McDonald's now, and you guys don't remember the days when it actually kind of tastes good.

When they had the good ice? When they had the good ice? When they used to fry the pies? Well, they fried the pies. The fries were actually fried, not whatever they fried now. Like the real fish. beef fat. Beef fat, yeah.

Yeah, when they were like, used to go ham up in there, used to go up in there, have a birthday party. It was dope. She's working at McDonald's. And that was a happy place then. I don't know how it is now. Sometimes I'm going to McDonald's now. No diss against McDonald's.

If you want to spend money with the Kings, spend money with the Kings. But sometimes, like, you're going to McDonald's now. You're like, I don't know if I should do this. But, like, back in the clutch, you know, McDonald's used to be a situation. So see her in there and knowing that, like, she's in her happy. place now. She's back in Oklahoma or not back in Oklahoma. The comic books was a big deal, but here it's the first time

we're seeing the place. But, you know, said something about her character that she found the simple life something more exhilarating than her life with Loki and all those complex emotions or traveling through time and trying to solve problems. Let me push back a little bit.

Okay. She went up in there and like she's thinking she's about to get like, I just don't want possum. I just don't want rat. I don't want whatever. She's been on the run. So to her, the first time her, like, lips touch the Big Mac, she's like, this is better than anything I've ever, like.

Jesus. What? The first time her lips touched the big Mac. Just let him. Just keep going, Charles. Just keep going, Charles. For me, the funny, like, the funny thing about that scene for me was, it was good to see Loki and similar together.

But I was like, why she's still working there? And I just imagine, like, she ordered the food, right? And they were like, all right, that'll be $30. And she was like, I ain't got $30. So like, ah, you got to go. Give them mind, this is like 1985. This is the 80s. So she probably spent like 10 bucks for 30

things. You know? And she got the employee discount. Well, she wasn't working there. When she first got there, I imagine it was like, hey, we're going to sell your food, but you got to start watching dishes. I want to know like, what did she eat that it's just like, I need a job here. The French fries. If you come from the, like, the fucking stone ages,

like you eat a French fry for the first fucking time, you would have seen God. Like, come on. Yes, it's facts. Change your life. Loki's been looking for Sylvie. Sylvie's acting McDonald's. She still harbors a lot of ill will towards him because of how they left it. He is desperate to get back to her, not just physically, but emotionally.

How did their interplay work during this episode for you guys? Loki's down bad. Like, I couldn't watch it. He's just so... How couldn't you be? He's just so desperate. He's just so desperate. No.

Honestly, can I reveal something to y'all? And like, I feel really bad saying this. I thought that was a different white woman this entire time. Like, the Mullet has thrown me off to such a degree. I'm like, is that the same Sylvie? And I had like, scared. Like, the whole time I just saw a mullet and I just didn't see anything else. I was just like, damn.

Talk about it. This is a fresh Prince of L.A. or shit. It took me this entire time and be like, oh, that's the same white woman. Fucking bullet, man. Sorry. No, I'm with it. I do feel, I didn't know how it would feel when they got back together. But there was no relief.

I feel like an ex, you know, when you got to like meet your ex for something. Right. You know, and it's like, obviously somebody still, you know, got their chest open. It's like, I'll still love you. But I just like, what do you want, bro? Like, I'm not, what are you trying to be? I'm just out of here. I'm here because of courtesy.

And it's like she thinks that she's coming to you, that you're coming to her with like an excuse, but you're like, no, for real, like the dog misses you or whatever. Like, it's such... I mean, also, that ex is him, which is, like, also complicates it because if he's like, ah, that bitch wasn't shit, did it da, da, da, it's just kind of like he's hating himself. That's what makes it really, really difficult. He can't...

Even, I think Mobius says it. He's just like, yeah, this is a little weird to watch. Which what makes it also, wouldn't Loki then know the perfect way to get Sylvie back? Maybe. but I also think the differences in their characters I was thinking about this

when I was watching it. They're the same but they're also fundamentally different because of their life experiences right? So Sylvie is an anarchist. She's been this anomaly for her entire life. Loki even though he does things

in a mischievous way he's a child and a student of structure. He had structure when he was in the kingdom, not the way that he wanted it. He had structure even when he was trying to do what he was doing with Thanos.

Loki has always understood that there are different levels of power. There are things that you have to do. There's decorum, there's this, there's that. He's always tried to play his own game within the things that were available to him, where she's always existed outside of that stuff.

So at the end of last season, when he wants to continue things in a structured way and she just wants to kill the demon and set the world free, that's their trauma, like fighting one another than they literally have like a trauma fight. So when he sees her again, I don't know if he was expecting her to have changed

and I don't know if she was expecting him to have changed. It's like there's more trauma between them when they see each other because they're, they remind each other of just exactly what they aren't. He even says it to her. He's like, give everybody free will, kill the demon, give everybody free will, and just turn you back. And she's like, yeah, that doesn't work for him.

It's like, they have a fundamental difference in like what they set out to do from the jump, right? When she, when they go back to the end of time in season one, she's like, I'm going to kill this guy. This is my whole thing was short of TVA. I kill this guy. That's it. right even if loki disagree with her but no matter what he's still

like he can't get home right he still has things to do in the TVA so he's like yo hey you might have like ended time but you might have done what you needed to do but there's still like millions of billions of people in all these

all these timelines all these branch timelines that also need help right and it's and it's the prevention of Kang that like really sent him reeling because he genuinely like can grasp the gravity of that situation from the finale of season one. And she's like, and she either doesn't care or can't possibly understand. Well, she's never, she's never, she's never had those connections.

She's never got a chance to have those relationships with me. Isn't the subtext of this episode where like, of course you can look at the McDonald's and be like, oh, that's product placement, which it has been. But also, like, the thing that Sylvie doesn't have yet, which she now does, is what Loki got in season one. The TVA gave him a certain type of structure that McDonald's is. Like, that's why she cares, in my opinion, about all of these branch timelines getting destroyed. It's why she goes back to this place. She finally has a place where people accept her, like the little manager.

Absolutely. Like, she still, she finally has that thing that even though it's not on the grand scale of, time, this obviously makes her happy. It gives her something to get up in the day. We're like, oh, it's McDonald's. But watching this episode, I'm like, oh, she's where season one, Loki was. She finally found a place where she fits. Right.

Remember at the end of the cut scene when we first see her, well, the second time we saw her, we saw her earlier in the episode, when he asked her what she wants and she looks around and what she sees are people living their lives and interacting with it. each other. And then she says, I want everything. So, like, Sylvie is looking to be human and to have those connections and to foster those connections. She thinks the way to do it is to stay there and never leave, whereas Loki knows that all of those connections and all of those lives are in danger unless they solve this grand problem. Because remember, he's been tasked with solving

grand problems or creating grand problems for his whole life. You have this big complex Loki, this Loki that wants to be a little bit more simple. That's why when they come together and they get cracking again, like the through line between those two characters, it's still the thing that grounds the show, even

though my man, my man X-5 man, Brad Wolf, man, was he put up some numbers in this motherfucker, bro. Dog. Dog. He put up some numbers in this. It is duff. For the first First interrogation scene. Let's just go to that

because I think that was incredible. His, like the utmost confidence around everybody in that room. And it's not even so much that he has leverage or power over them.

It's more of the fact that like he has moral superiority over all of them. Like he knows that he's in the right so he wouldn't ever stoop soaps a low as to helping them.

and it's that pride that's just like, oh, great, you don't even work here, so you should shut up. Like, that, like, it's an incredible performance. This guy's great. I mean, he was a dick, but he wasn't wrong. Like, the way he was talking, I was just like, all right, like, you're an asshole,

but technically there's no, like, if we're being real, why the fuck should you listen to any of them? These are not his bosses. Like, they are, like, they've just kidnapped him, and they're just like, hey, you should still follow the rules of this organization. Yeah, whatever, you're not my mom. who I was almost kissing in the last episode. Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on one second. So Charles likes him because although he's a dick, he wasn't wrong. Reminds me somebody I know. Yo! Wow.

What is it with you today? What the fuck did I do? You just mad? You just mad? Nah, nah, not mad. I'm taking up for my people. I'm taking up for my people. You know, you know, you know who reached out

on, you know, we reached out earlier to get at Charles. I'm not going to bring it up. Some people out there that's not happy with Charles. I'm getting, I'm taking up for my people. You know, Charles, Charles pissing off some pretty important people in music. That's all I'm going to say. Yo. Man, fuck out of you.

I ain't scared nobody. So he did borrow him up, though. He did borrow him up. He was like, yo, he definitely did. You were villain. Look at you, my boy. Like, I know your background. I'm familiar with your game.

Who you talking? talk about the mother stepped over the line you can't do that you can't do that you know what I mean like that's just a little that's why Loki had a lot of fun you know are you guys doing that thing joking he kind of you can't these these characters kidnap this man they didn't got no jurisdiction no fucking nothing they kidnap him and then they essentially I don't temporarily waterboard him like I don't know if I you know what I'm saying like at a certain point I was is like dog like am I

are these the heroes? Am I am I a sicko for thinking that Disney's still rocking the kid gloves with that scene? I was like you could break like one bone in that box like come on Steve what kind of yeah

you can get me that's fair I haven't watching a lot of GenV no you want fucking Loki to be a fucking lioness special ops lioness people are going nuts in that show I got up lioness Wow.

Yeah. Hey, you know what we need? We need the Logan Roy drop. We need the, are you a sicko? I want that drop. We need that drop. Let's ask, Steve, how would you have liked them to torture? My man.

Well, no, it's not that. I just like, I thought like Logie was about to go a little bit farther. What would have been the best way to torture information of this? I don't know. Bring in that like, I don't know, Dr. Seuss vacuum that makes a giant cube is cool. Like I'm not gonna lie. I would just start like fucking, what do they call it when they like use the little bat like cattle prod to get him out of time? Could you just do that to like one finger?

That's what I was like just like prune like one finger after another and be like I can keep going all fucking day. Oh my God. And parts of him show up back on the timeline? Yeah, I think y'all are trying to kill this motherfucker? Steve like you like, Steve like torture. Steve, are you the gimp from Pope fiction? You know, Steve in that costume? That's not a... What?

You should turn to the live show. Right, the Gip from... What's wrong? Like, oh, you're going to... You're going to... Oh, you're going to... Oh, brother, Steve, if you pop up like the Gip from Puck from Puckson... He has to do it now, bro.

He has to do it. I'm not going to tell. So, if you pop up for the game, Ben Lindberg could be Z. Like, Ben Lindberg could be Zad. Do we have another white boy? We don't have another white boy, do we? So, Ben Lindberg could be Z. said you could be the Gimp and then Jomey could be the other guy that was watching.

No. Stop writing the live show before it happens, man. I'm going to decline that invitation. Appreciate it. So, you know, I enjoyed the interrogation scene because, once again, it's putting somebody through something that we haven't really seen before. If there was a weak part of the episode, and to me, if there's a weak part of the episode, and to me, if there's a weak part of the

Loki show, it's the action. Yeah. At the end of the episode, that action scene, it just, it doesn't, it doesn't, it's not bad enough for it to be a real nitpick, but if you had to nitpick and we have to, the action there isn't necessarily something that's very thrilling. It's the only thing that feels forced about the show. Like, you're just throwing like Hadukin fireballs at people while you're trying to shut the thing down. And like, I get it. Like, that's like a the equivalent of like a rogue cell of the TVA,

just bombing timelines. Although I will say this. It was cool to see Loki back in his full on magic bag again. In the beginning, yes. Top of the episode, yeah. That was great.

The top of the episode's action was excellent because it was just a foot chase and then he just like projected like a million copies out into the world and then the like the shadows got horns and grabbed him. Like that's cool. That's great. You got to tell me what Loki can do, because I always be confused.

Just yada, yada, magic. How powerful is he now? I mean, he's pretty powerful. Like, how powerful is his magic now? He's a God. I mean, this is something that you kind of just got to let go of. Oh, no, no, no. I'm not bad at it.

I just really was wondering. Like, this episode, I'm like, what can he still do? Because it's like, because it's like, Loki is an as guardian. So technically he should be picking these. motherfuckers up and throwing them across the you know it's like but so that's kind of something that they he doesn't even use

the magic that much if that I can remember in season one so seeing him use his magic and do all of that stuff was actually was actually kind of awesome for me because there's a lot of kicking and punching and all kinds of stuff going on there so um who's up who's dope fantastic look

episode really worked uh miss minutes rinse rinslayer what's going on? What's going to happen? OB's got a whole big job back at the TV8, Steve. I mean, spoilers for the trailer that would have come out for Loki season two. We will be seeing Ravona in some sort of like Victor timely timeline and like what looks like

sort of like 1800s sort of turn of the century type of garb. We're going to be tracking her down for sure. I'm interested to see what the concept of. Mitz Minutes is and how the show attempts to illustrate it. Like, the show has said she's an AI, but Miss Minutes herself has also said that, like, I'm a bit more than that. And I like the idea that somehow the beginnings of Miss Minutes or some sort of, like, early form of Miss Minutes has been, like, invented by Victor Timely or Ravona.

And that there's this, like, idea of, like, a cyclical loop that we're all on and how she's tied into Kang with all of this is going to be very fascinating. What would y'all do if Miss Minutes was like out there fucking White Vision? Like that's where like White Vision has been this entire time. Now how did you,

how did you get from? Where did you call that from? Where did you call that from? What do you remind me that she was like, I'm something more? I'm just like, what if she just like has like a whole Miss Minutes body and white vision? She's a clock.

Charles? What in the world? So she can't have genitalia? I'll be honest with you. That really did. am I out of nowhere, Charles. That's what I was thinking the entire time. Steve was talking.

No, it's absolutely no one. Charles Holmes. Who do you think Ms. Minutes is fucking. What? White Vision is just out there and he's like, he's like looking for like somebody to cuddle because he's like going through it. And I'm just thinking like Miss Minutes,

like she would understand him. She's an AI. They got the whole technology back. Y'all think I'm insane for thinking this. Yes. Where did, White Vision was nowhere in this conversation. No way. I've been wondering where he is, and I was thinking of the eligible bachelors that are in the fucking MCU, and I'm like, yo, white vision's out there fucking around.

And they're both kind of machines. Yes, I mean, that's true. You know, there's not a lot of robots for her to choose from is white vision. Ultron's dead. Jarvis. Well, Jarvis is. That is vision. Oh, wait.

Here's what I say, though. Stop getting us on board with this conversation, Charles. No. Sorry. I was about to jump into it. What's interesting is so we, we, we. have that scene with OB, our guy, what's his name, a B-15 and homie Eugene Cordero, Casey.

Shout out Eugene Cordero, Star Trek, Lower Decks, awesome guy. And, you know, I thought it was a fun scene. He's like, Casey's a huge fan of OB, but also OB is like, hey, we can't fix the temporal loom because we need the creator's temporal aura, which is who remains, who, I don't know if you guys know this, is super, duper dead. right and so we need miss minutes it's gonna have to override the lot right so do you guys think when they're going

are they actually going after uh revona rentslay or is like hey they have to they have to they have to find it's the only lead yeah what i'm saying but like but she is do they go after her and like come back or like hey we need me like they need miss minutes right they also have to compel them or either maybe they go to an earlier version and get a different version

of Miss Miss, I'm not sure, but they've set it up to where now that has to carry the narrative of the show for the next episode, episode or two, or something. That's going to be the thing. I only ask, because Casey was like, Miss Minutes, like, Ravona got help from Miss Minutes.

Right. So, like, they're clearly in tandem. So just like, do you, like, is it a two-for? Is it a two-fer? Or are you just, like, we get one, we keep it pushing. Or maybe you get one and compel one, to help you with the other one or vice versa or whatever. I will say this.

I feel like in the casting of Jonathan Majors is King and all of his variants, the only thing they really didn't think about was Victor Timely. Because let's say it's like, I don't know, 1902, right? And this black guy... Right. Just listen. This black guy says, I'm the smartest guy in this town and I haven't been in a time machine. All you say you're being in a time machine, boy?

huh that's good to hear nigger we gotta start recording this late that's good to hear nigger why don't you take your time machine and then ass back there and get me a sandwich like it's not going to when I saw that I was thinking they weren't trying to hear no science

from I mean he might be able to invent like Madam C.J. Walker and inventes some stuff. On this branch timeline what if there was no slavery? Maybe not I mean a lot of shit would change we gotta see and that's why

if there was no slavery and we was just here chilling if the time we got to think of us forget about you were on a rinse layer bro, I think we could be bawling man it would be so dope we were on like four NFL teams

like at the end of Loki season one where they're like what is the same why was he keeping the sacred timeline like that yeah why you don't want to have it again Steve does it 3rd? I can see To take a voice. Wow.

Wow. You don't want to say, oh, didn't we already talk about this? No. Like, we all, we already talked about it. No, Steve. I saw memes. Yeah. Steve, okay, I'm just saying.

I'm just saying, you, Josh, we'll have to talk about that, guys. We know how things really went, ha-ha, to the victor goes and spoils. That's not what I said at all. I said it all. You're just lying. Can y'all be nice to Steve for one fucking episode?

God. No, I can't. That was a spot-out impression to me. Jesus. Right. Yeah, it's going to be great. Do we miss anything? I don't feel like we did. No, we got everything. We got everything.

Great moment before the show. We're in a great spot. We're back to a semi-unbranched timeline, which probably will simplify the narrative a little bit. I will say this. I do think that a lot of people watching the show, that's going to be a controversial decision. to have pruned all those timelines like that. A lot of people are going to be like, why'd they do that? They kind of took the easier way.

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Woo, man. I'm charged up. Hell fucking yeah. All right, so Daredevil, born again? according to the Hollywood reporter, there's been a little shakeup. Kevin Feigy reportedly got back some of the filming from,

it seemed like they did a little less than half. This was supposed to be 18 episodes. Faggy didn't like what he was seeing. Headwriters and directors were let go. The plot was scrapped. Essentially, they were saying it was like a legal procedural, but Matt doesn't show up in the Daredeauve costume until episode four.

And later in this, they basically get into this essentially new regime for Marvel where now they're going to have showrunners. The show runners need to write pilots. There's going to be show bibles in the past. It would just be a show.

They would go off and spend $150 million and make it. A lot of people in the WGA have very smartly pointed out. A lot of this is most likely having to do with the ratified contract because before there was no showrunners you were just a head writer

and even if you were head writer you did not get to come back during post production. I want to ask you then how do you feel about this daredevil born again, Jacob?

Well, I think it's interesting. I know that a lot of people have already put a lot of work on the show but shout out to them. I just really want to quickly like I would have loved to see the show that everybody was

working on. You never want to see people lose their jobs. Like, much respect to everybody. Like, it sucks when that happens. Anyway, then. I'm interested to see what this new sense of traditional television structure does for MCU television. I think it was a very easy way to make the movies the way that they were making them. And if you read Joanna's book, her fantastic book.

Out right now. grab it out right now. Go grab it. That's right. They can hardly keep them in the mother fucking stores. Joanna King is her new name because she's just writing bestsellers. Hey. If you use that book, you'll see a little bit about, you know, Marvel's filmmaking process

and how it really emanates from Kevin, his sensibility and his grand scheme of what he wants to do in terms of, you know, the universe. And television is just a little bit harder to do that. budgets are smaller. You don't have as much money to play around with and post to go back and fix mistakes that you've made. You need to be a little bit more buttoned up going into the whole thing and just the structure of television, even though there's no commercials on Disney Plus, it's just different. And I think they thought that they could reinvent the will. I think the will kind of reinvented them a little bit. And so now they're going back to a traditional

way of doing things. Now, will that mean that we get cookie cutter shows? from the MCU on television going forward. Maybe who knows? But this one seemed like it was something that needed to be more akin to what we've already gotten from this character on Netflix, which was a fantastic show.

I know, Charles, you try to hate, but it was great. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I just said there's probably a season and a half that was very, very good. I did not like that third season. Y'all are well. Okay, I get it.

but but I like it I like that I like Daredevil Kalika loves this what it's really it might be her favorite show but so I say all that to say I think it's a positive thing I think it's a positive I think it's a positive thing

I also think that they didn't have very much choice you know what I mean yeah I mean that's that's also kind of the other kind of subtext of the article but I think I think Marvel knows that they're in trouble just in terms of like the fatigue and I think that if Kevin

and Fagy is willing to hey, it sucks that it's happening to Blade reportedly, it's happening to Daredevil, but I would much rather them stop something and get it right than keep going down this path because just the Marvel TV shows have not

been that good. They've been very all over the place. And if it takes them slowing down to get the story right, like why am I going to complain about that? Yeah. Yeah, men, boys, what you got? I mean, man, they're going back to you know, traditional television,

uh, structures, longer episodes. Don't. I think, I think the article, no, hold on.

The article specifically mentions having more episodes to get to learn the characters more and, actually feel for them. So, uh, all I'm just going to say is, um, the agenda lives,

ladies and gentlemen, we're here, baby, you know what I'm saying? Don't say it. Don't say it. Fucking Jomi. Jomi.

Angels of Shield agenda I gotta be cutting mics at this point I don't understand why this has what this has to do with Agents of Shield I mean

so I here's what I think happens this is legitimately factually actually happened so I had that piece I wrote

like two weeks ago right about The Angels of Shield and it's a 10 year anniversary and how you know

the Marvel shows could could you know take some notes from Angels Shield and then we get this news

all I'm saying is you know Kevin Faggy big fan clearly a big fan because he's locked in on what we got to start doing. To kick off my talk about, I think Kevin Feigey's a bigger fan of, you know, getting WGA and SAG deals done and wanting a bit more of an enforced structure that if we can see, you know, the most recent wave of MCU TV product has been a bit lacking. And I think that this type of structure and this type of attitude towards making.

something that's more akin to conventional television with the enforcement of a new WGA and soon to be a, you know, sag deal, that's going to be something that obviously is going to be more worthwhile because all the people, all those creatives that are below the line are going to have a way of structure to enforce that their product is actually better, or at least made in a way that is more conductive to creative fulfillment. And I think that's a better, better deal. for all of us. Yeah, and all seriousness, though, like, the article is very much

like, yeah, like, the miniseries stuff isn't working, people aren't really connecting with these characters like this. And, you know, with multiple seasons, with, you know, however many episodes they want to do, like, going back to the, like, the structure of how television used to go

would absolutely do wonders. You know, we're talking about Loki's season two right now and how things have changed from season one to season two. And I think that's just, that makes for a much better product. We're able to care for these characters longer and have them interact

and you can be like, oh, there's change, like the six episode structure is just not working. The only reason why it ever worked, the only reason why it ever worked was because we already knew the characters. Yeah.

So the only reason why it ever worked, it worked with Wanda Vision, we didn't need any origin with them, other characters, Falcon and the World Soldier, hog-od. Like Loki, whatever we've really had to,

like get to know a new character, it's just not enough, right? It's really not. And so with this, this is a character that, of course, we already know, but it's not somebody that leans it,

that Daredevil is not a character that wins himself to these gigantic sweeping epics through time. You need to get into the nuts and bolts of what Daredevil and Fog you're doing. And you need, need like one and two off episodes where they're just fucking defending people and getting into different adventures around Hill's Kitchen and all that stuff.

So they got to do it a different way. And avocados. Yeah. No, I mean, one of the things that I think, I don't know if this is verified anything, but they were saying, like, part of why the show is, like, the show was the way it was is because Karen and Foggy got murdered off at episode one. And it put Daredevil in kind of a, like, a little thing. and that's why they weren't in the show.

I'm curious to find out, like, what that have worked for you guys? Absolutely not. What are you talking? I think you need foggy in the show. If you're going to kill both of them. See, don't do the dumb shit, nigga. You know, like, it's like, if you, come on, bro.

Like, you know, that takes your, that takes your margin of error down so, it's like so thin if you do something like that, man. Do you think she Hulk had anything to do with just the, like, tried kind of to do a legal show, like in the MCU comedy style. And if this was also going to be a legal procedural, do you think they're like to do it? Like, if we're going to be real, people act like legal procedurals are easy to do.

They're not. Like, most of them are, you know what I'm saying? Do you think part of them are like, we're trying to reinvent the fucking dare double wheel? And like, motherfuckers, like, saw, had three seasons of the Netflix shit. Like, we kind of have to like, because here's the other thing. if they piss off both the MCU audience and the Netflix audience

then you lose two times and I think that might be also something that they thought the MCU brand could kind of carry them over that home. I mean look, it's clear that that structure wasn't working that well

in the past because the wheels are kind of falling off a little bit like Loki notwithstanding with a couple of the things that Marvel has been putting out. Some of the stuff that like,

like, knowing that like, Daredevil was just clearly not working. Like, I don't know if the dailies or like, with those first four episodes

were in the can and they're just like, I, we don't have this guys. We just ratified a new deal. We've got this whole new structure that we got to implement anyway. Just scrap it and we'll start

from square one again. Yeah. Because we got to get this right. We got to get all these things right. Blade is hanging by a thread, if that, like we don't, like,

we don't know what the future holds for Marvel. We truly don't. They say they put this nigga blade in a nice. 1920s. Stop. They're doing it in the 1920s. Blade going to have to fight vampire.

Wait, is this like a rumor that's going around? Are you being serious? I say it's easy. It comes out. Blade's going to be set partly in the 1920s and partly in present day. Oh. The blade going to be running from the clan, bro.

They just won't let us leave it alone, bro. And first of all, first of all, first of all, first of all, if Blade is in the 1920s and he's full on Blade, I'm going to have problems with Blake. Because I'm going to be like, why ain't going to help the people in Tulsa it's like we needed Blade so

I'm just being for real so when you put people in those situations I start to go how come Blade didn't you know how come you didn't help Dr. King think about what the civil rights movement would have been like if we'd have had a blade

if we'd have like a blade I'll tell you like 19 you brunt think about it hold on if we'd have a real quick hold on man if we'd had a blade from my 1920s on, bro. Think about how different shit would have been,

bro. You know, can you imagine if, like, Blade, like, when he walks into the club in the fucking first movie, can you imagine if he just did that shit at a clan rally? That shit would be fucking... Oh, my God.

No, wait, wait, wait. I'd be jumping out of my seat in the theater, like, hell, fucking, yeah, let's go, Blade. Kill them on. What if the music, so it's like the music that they're playing at the blood rave is like the Charleston or whatever. Okay, I'm glad you can.

Okay, it's good. What? I was wondering where you were going to go. Oh. You thought I was saying something crazy? I'm not sure. I didn't know what was going to happen. It was good.

It worked out. Please go to the next nerd dude. I just kind of feel like if Blade was in the sixth, if Blade was in there and doing this thing, I kind of felt like white people would have been a little harder. You know, I'm like, I don't know. They got this. Nah, man.

Nah. It got this. All you need, look, we got to move to the Marvel's, but look, all you need is a couple stories of a nigger with a sword who could jump over. skyscraper. Because they never know which one. You know what I mean?

It's like like all you need is a couple swords. They don't know which one. They just go to be like. Also be so like, can you imagine if like Blade started going to all the plantations and just been give all the like all the slaves the same haircut? He gives them all sunglasses. He's just like, you never know. You have no clue.

You know what I'm saying? They'd be like, damn, we don't know who is Blade. Don't know what. You never know when you might get fucked over. Like Blaze should jump over. Okay, okay, let's go. All right. The Marbles is tracking for a $50 or $75 million domestic opening.

According to Box Office Pro, yes. You shared this with us in the group chat. Then you're the closest to Hollywood of all of us. Can you tell the viewers what this means? This means that nobody's fucking with the movie. That means that they've analyzed a bunch of things. different metrics and you guys I can tell you something these numbers are very rarely wrong um and I'll tell you something 75 would be embarrassing 50 would be an abject disaster do you

understand what I'm saying like 75 would be embarrassing for the sequel to the movie that made a billion dollars all being in a different time to have a 75 million dollar opening when it's a sequel, that's embarrassing. Between 50 and $60 million, people lose their jobs over that type of shit. 50 for that movie, that's a huge stinker. I'd be surprised if they were wrong, but Marvel's got to be hoping that they're wrong. Or if not, and it's influenced by a lot of things, these stars aren't allowed to promote these movies. You're not going to see a ton of Bree Larson around or, you know, the other co-stars of the movie, they're promoting it out there. So there's probably a lot of things that are going into this.

But this would be an, a $50 million opening would be the single greatest failure that Marvel has had. Can you guys guess what the budget was? I'm on Forbes now for the Marvels. I'm going to say probably two. Plus three shoots. Yeah. So it's a, I'm reading here. Disney has revealed that it spent more than 270 million on making the Marvel.

That's crazy. Whoa, Jesus. Here's what I, here's what sucks about this. Because I want this movie to be good. We all want this movie to be good. We want to have a good time and enjoy this and tell everybody else on this podcast how great of a movie was and hope that they see it. What I don't want is for all those things to be right and the bad faith people in cells

win the discourse of the time. That's what's going to suck about this. This is why I'm like really dreading the time that. that this movie comes out because it's going to get, the waters are going to get muddied by all of those bad faith arguments. Oh, it's because of the blah, that this failed or all that stuff.

When you can't actually have an open and honest conversation about this. That's why I'm like really dreading the news that's coming out about that. Oh, it's about to be bad. Like, here's the thing. It's just good. Like, it is. Like, I hate, I hate to say it,

but seeing that tracking, if it does. I desperately don't want it to be true. I don't want it to be true. I do not want to have to live. it, but it is going to be very inselly on the inner webs if this thing does not do well.

I mean, this is my other question. I think a lot of, I can already see it, they're like, well, you know, with all of the strikes, no one can promote it. This is very star dependent. We can't get three of our stars out there. Do we even think that this would have been tracking better if they could have had the actors promoting it?

Because I don't, like, I think it would make more money, I don't know if it would make a potential 75 million grosser, a 150 million grosser. Like this has more, this is more than just. I mean, it's a factor for sure. It's not a factor too. It's the main factor. It's not a main factor. I don't know if there's a ton.

It's not a factor, though. I don't know if there's a ton of interest for the movie. And I don't know if there is the same cachet from all that there used to be to where it's like, oh, it's a Marvel movie. That means it's going to be a bona fide hit. This is a sequel. So you'd think that if the original had done its job and if the characters that are in this movie that come from other properties like Wanda Vision and Miss Marvel, if they had really resonated with audiences that you wouldn't have this happening. But the inability to promote the film in a traditional way cannot be underestimated here. It is a part of it.

To what degree? Who knows? but that's another thing, right? There's a convergence of things that it's happening. There's Marvel fatigue. There's the strike. It's all together here. It's also when this movie comes out because this...

It wasn't supposed to be coming out now. This movie was supposed... When was the original day? July. Yeah, this was supposed to have been out. I think that's also like... The fatigue was bad in July, the fatigue in November. And I'm talking about nerd fatigue.

I don't think Assoca helped it. I think the Star Wars MCU crossover is real. And I just think fatigue for these big IP movies in general is at an all-time high. So I think them pushing it back might have done a disservice. Yeah. It's unfortunate, man. Like, you know, I think, well, we'll see, you know, movies are going to come out, you know, whether it's good or bad or whatever. We'll still have to see.

But yeah, this is disappointing because you obviously, you know, you want to see, you know, because we're good Marvel content. Yeah, you want good Marvel content, but damn. All right, you guys, that's a wrap. Follows on social, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok. Coming up on the feed, Saturday, Jess Clemens, Reg you Splash page, Easter eggs on the latest episode of Loki.

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I was lucky. I was like, maybe. So my thing, my thing with the cake boss was that the cake boss would make these cakes and they were almost inedible at how extravagant they were.

We're going to put this guy's whole little league team out of fond on the cake. I'd be like, like the bag. Like the pit boss. cakes. Yeah. Yeah.

This isn't a practical cake. Anyway, we are saying a record for getting off the subject. Did you like this episode? Wait, wait. I did like it. I did like the episode.

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after his hand was repeatedly impelled in a freak bowling accident three years ago. Yeah. I did not know this. Yeah. Fucked up. Damn. Damn. I'm fucking up my night.

Jomey God. Damn. Like, make cakes, man. Tough. Who do you are? I am. Hey, praying for you, buddy, man. Hope you get better.

Shout out to you, buddy. Um, I did like this episode. See, guys, we gotta get back. Or a little loose at night. Give us a break. I love it. I do really, my heart does really go out to the cake boss. I'm not saying that's night.

So we have to talk about the show.