The Ringer-Verse - 'Loki' Season 2 Episode 3 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: October 20, 2023

It was only a matter of time. The Midnight Boys are here to discuss their reactions to the third episode of Season 2 of 'Loki' (09:10). They bring forth the debut of Victor Timely and get into Ravonna's new mission with Miss Minutes! Also, they break down some of the more surprising moments from this episode, and where this season stands at the halfway mark. Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Steve Ahlman, and Jomi Adeniran Social: Jomi Adeniran Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We are. Jomi, the explainer. You've got questions. He's got answers. We are. Oh, man, van. He of the. receding resurgent hairline.

We are. Go baby Chuck, the 24-carric closer, aka the brunch, hiding together. We are known as the midnight, boys. Abidna, cuss on socials. It's important. Now, look,

if you don't want to be on socials right now, that's okay. I think I might have to take a break. It's getting real toxic out there. It's tough. Toxic time on socials. Jomi's Socials update right now. Give it to me. Doing good, man.

Look, we sold out all the tickets to the live show, which is awesome. And, you know, we're going to have a bunch of fun over there. And so make sure you follow us on socials. If you weren't able to get a ticket, covering the whole event on all the ring of social feeds. So tap in. Jummi, you've been getting real excited about Spider-Man 2, the video game. Brother, I have not been disexcited for anything in my entire life. This is-

Jomi, can I say for the first time ever, we are in alignment. A lot of my mental and emotional state right now is kind of, is going to be contingent on how good Spider-Man 2 is. Like, don't talk to me tomorrow. Like, just- What I'm saying? Don't hit my line. Don't text me. I don't exist.

Charles, New York Native. It's got like pretty much all the boroughs. Queens, everybody. Where are you going to go in real life first? Are you going to go to your neighborhood? Are you going to go to Brooklyn C? But he lives in New York. I'm from Jersey. Born and Bread.

You know what I'm talking. See what I'm talking about what you, Steve? You a fake-ass friend. I know that he's from New Jersey. He lives in New York City, though. That's not, that's what you... New York native is what you say. I know, Steve, Steve, this is why I think you're right.

Because when people be like, where are you from? I don't even be claiming Jersey like that because I got to explain too much shit to them. You know what I'm saying? It's like when you're from the burbs and then you're just live in Chicago for 10 years anyway. You're like, yeah, from the... Yeah.

Let me tell you what kind of friend I am. I know that Charles is from... Jersey near the Jersey Shore type area. I know that you are from Chicago. All right. I know that Jomey is from Carson by way of Nigeria, by way of Ghana. He's Ghanian.

That's not true. That's not the far. That's true. That's false. Anyway, but you were asking him a question about the city that he lives in, Steve? I'm sorry to step on you there. Whoa, whoa. Can I just say this before we get into, all that stuff is good.

But I, can we do a Charles's really proud corner really quick? I want to shout out Joanna Robinson. Ridiculous. New York Times best fucking seller. Better say the best fucking seller. Hot fruit. That's right. Pooopoo!

Hot fruit Robinson. Out of here. And, and, you know, we're all excited for Spider-Man, too. We're all excited for killers of the fire moon. But my boy, Van, got a new fucking trailer. out there just dropped this week. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it's not coming out for a while. I was watching the trailer and I was, I'm about to come out to LA and be like, yo, let's crumb. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't get me,

like, don't get me out on these streets. David LaChapelle out here. Thank you very much. The movie is once again for the very first time. I'm so proud of you there. I just wanted to shout you out real quick. Thank you very much.

Reverse peeps doing a lot of great stuff. That was a lot of things. shit right now. So Steve, I do want you to ask your question to Charles, though, man. I was joking around. I'm sorry, I mean to step on you. You're going to ask them about the game because I'm excited about the game too. I might play the game all weekend.

Oh, yeah. No, I was just curious. When you play it, are you going to look for any sort of like neighborhood inaccuracies when you look in like your neighborhood? Nah, it's more going to so be like, dog, that was where that show already dumped me. That's where she broke my heart. Like right there. Like, I'll be beating Craven's.

ass and I'm like, dog, I threw up right outside that McDonald's. That shit's wild. A lot of down bad talk on today's podcast. Yes, coming soon. I'm a lot of down bad. It's fine. The Peter Parker luck has struck your boy. It's fucking fine.

You have missed minutes. Save me. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. We got some miss minutes talk. I want apologies from all of y'all soon. Get to these programming reminders because I need, I need apologies from every motherfucker on this shit. I'll fly through them.

Okay, on Friday, Jessica Clemens will be bringing you another episode of Splash Page. Programming a reminder on the latest episode of Loki. Checking in with Jessica, she's doing a fantastic job over there on Splash Page on Sunday. In addition, returns to give you their GenV mid-season check-in. Yo, people love GenV. They are, they really are. It's good stuff. More coverage coming, for sure.

You can't pay me to watch that shit. sorry, y'all. God damn. Tap into Mint Edition. Tap into Min edition. Brother, are you okay? What the fuck are you doing? Are you good?

You can't. You're in programming of mine. My God. God. No, see, and don't even act like you. Like, I'm special because you're the first one van to be like, I don't fucking like fucking teenage heroes. I don't like the fucking sidekicks.

Get them fucking. fucking out of here. So don't even act like I'm the only one, bro. It's just funny that we were like, hey, they're doing a mid-edition on this. And then your response to that was, you couldn't pay me to watch that show. During program reminders. Actually, Jomey, Steve, that's foul. That's foul on me. Like, that's a foul on me.

I'm, my boys, I'm apologizing. I'm a dickhead. The show is good. People love the show. It's actually crazier than the boys in a lot of ways. Okay. Monday button mash comes back to give you their deep dive into Spider-Man 2. Here's the thing.

People are talking about Spider-Man 2, but I'm also hearing about a new Mario Brothers adventure that's got people all talking. Have you guys heard about this? Wait, Mario Wonder. I think it is. Some Mario Wonder. A special baby. What is this game?

It's more or less like Mario gets to take drugs and he turns into an elephant. Yeah. What? Wait, what? He turns to an elephant. Yeah, there's a new mushroom and then he turns into an elephant. And like there's a different way to play the game as like an elephant. Well, you stay as an elephant the whole game?

No, no. It's like it's another power up. Like you get to turn like Tanuki Mario is an elephant suit Mario. Yeah, it's elephant suit Mario pretty much. Exactly. Oh, okay. Well, that's good. While we're on Mario Corner, I've been going to a, my new barber gets really into

Smash Bros. Like they all got a tournament out there. So I've been practicing. Who are your Smash Bros. Like players real quick? If we're talking to 64, it's Pikachu. If it's melee, it's Link. Link for sure. I'm a Samis person.

I like Samis or a Bowser. A lot of wealth in here. I didn't get a Nintendo. So, till I was like, Get the fuck out of here, Joe Me. So a lot of wealth in here. Let's not, Jomi, shut up, bro. First of all, my time this came out,

I had a job. I could go buy my own. All right. Link is crazy. All right, on today's show, guys, got to get into it. We're already nine minutes in. We're discussing the third episode of Loki Season 2. And I want you guys to stick around because I have a feeling that there's going to be a little division amongst the Midnight Boys about this episode of television. Okay.

All right. Before we get into it, we have to spoil everything that is everything that's happened in the MCU up to now. Everything that's happened in Loki up to now. Everything that you might have read, everything that you might have seen. we also might be spoiling things from the rise of the MCU about Joanna Robbins okay

we might talk about the book we might get deep deep into it you never know what's going to happen Steve even my most bullet warning we're getting ready to talk about lookie you're listening to a reaction podcast the spoilers are coming all right before we talk about it you got to know about it

And the only person that can put you in the need to know is Charles. And the way he does that is the Midnight Manifest. Chuck, take it away. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for Loki. Episode 3, titled 1893, directed by Kosovoirefrani, teleplay by Eric Martin and Kauzeh Rani and Jason O'Leary, written by Eric Martin. We begin with Rvona Renslayer and Miss Minutes traveling back to 1868

to give Victor Timer the TVA handbook. Loki and Mobius then track Renslayer, Miss Minnis, and an adult timely to the World's Fair in 1893. Team Loki and Team Renslayer duel over who can lure timely to their side as the scientist shows off his first temporal loom. Sylvie barges into the facility's intent on killing Timely before either group can bring him back to the TVA. Renslayer and Miss Minutes get the upper hand, escaping with Timely on a boat. Timely double-crosses Renslayer, which he pushes her luck by calling them partners, while Miss Minnitz reveals to her creator that she wants a real body to house her AI, consciousness. Team Loki, Rens Slayer, and Sylvie duked out to see who will capture timely, and team Loki wins, taking the Kangberry back to TVA, while Silly condemns Rens Slayer

to spending her days at the end of time with the dead. He will remain. And that has been your Midnight Manifest for Loki episode three. Let's break it down. All right, this episode, we are on three here. Chuck, you're up to back. What did you like? Whoa, whoa, let's, we're going to put that on ice really quick because we need to get apologies out there first fucking thing. You are the most apollic, are you? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The motherfuckers attacked me last episode and I just need my apologies.

I need my apologies. Is Kalika. Like, I've never, what do you want to apologize about? What do you want to apologize about? Well, because in this fucking episode, we finally figure out what Miss In this. in its wants. What does she want that? She wants a new body, okay?

And last episode, y'all were like, Charles, look at you. Why are you talking about Miss Minutes wanting to fuck white vision, blah, blah, blah. And all I'm saying is why does Ms. Minutes want a body? Why does she want a body out there? Can I get some, can I get some apologies, please? I'm not going to lie.

So, hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait. You can't get an apology. And I'll tell you why. Wait, why not? Why not? Okay. So let's, so let's, let's analyze this. There's no more apologies.

This apology fucking shit has the end. Damn. First of all, you came out with a left field situation out of nowhere and you matched her with white vision. All right. That actually minimizes Ms. Minutes, who has a real love and connection to variance of Kang. You just said she wanted to fuck white vision because he was android.

She has connections to her father. And I think it would be a little weird if she's, She gets a body that starts fucking cane. How about this? How about this? If, in fact, I promise you, if in fact, Miss Minutes ever tries to fuck White Vision, I will bake you a cake, okay? No, I want you to ask your aunt for that special cake.

That's what I want. Oh, you want a special aunt? You want the milk chocolate cake? I want the mocha chocolate cake. Wait, but you can't, y'all can't give me any, like, damn, y'all didn't watch that and I was like, I give you 3%. As soon as that happened, I was like, it's true. Charles, but you also, you had screeners, so you might have been watching it.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Not since Screener Gate. This is all new. I watched this shit tonight. Not again. Okay. Charles, you have your apology. Can we get into the episode, please?

This is horny as fuck. What'd you like? Nah, we can't even. That's a wrong question. That's wrong. Okay. Then give me your thoughts, Charles. What the fuck?

Get into what's like? Uh, this was the episode. I think we've been talking about this for the entire season. We've all loved the first two episodes. And obviously they sent out four screeners. And critics have watched all four. And this was the episode that I got to where I was like, okay, I think I'm starting to see what a lot of the other critics are talking about,

where you're either in on the Victor timely performance by Jonathan Majors or you're not. And this episode was the first time where I was kind of scratching my head, where the things that I liked in the first two episodes of this being more of a workplace comedy, this being centered on Loki and Mobius and their relationship and how they're feeling about the TVA and very existential questions, that's all the stuff I loved. and the minute it got into more of the timely shenanigans of the MCU and Victor Timely and Vance

and Renslayer and Miss Minutes I bounced off of it very, very hard. I was, I really was just like, what are we doing? Not to my catchphrase, but I was very much like, what are we doing here? Steve, before we go to Van, Steve, I feel like I'm not alone here.

It seems like you are a little bit closer to me on this. We're not fucking up the order. We're not fucking totalitarian. We're not, we're not, we're not timely in this bitch. No, we're going to Steve. We're going to Steve. No, no way. No fucking way.

Are you crazy? You try to redo the fucking shit to double down on your shit? No fucking way. Are you crazy? Skip me? No, I disagree. Not only do I disagree, you guys might think I'm bullshitting.

Kalika! Oh, boy. Like, like, Goal- Wait, why can you call in Calica? And I can't call in Steve. She's got a tag team in Kalika. You can't tag team in Kalika.

I can't tag team and Steve. What the fuck? This is what I'm saying. I'm not, I'm not tag teaming and bringing in Kalika. I don't think that you guys are going to believe that I liked this episode as much as I did. And she was right there as we watched it together. Kalika, could you please come here real quick and vouch?

Does Kalika like it? I like the episode. Like, yeah, they want to know. Everyone wants to know right now. Hold on. Come on. Come on. Come on.

You got to get on the mic, babe. Hi, Kalika. Hi, Kalika. You said you love the episode. You were delighted with it. At the end, you said, I really enjoyed that. Yeah. Kalika, did you like the episode, though?

Yeah, I actually really like this episode. I actually like this season better than last season. Oh, my. Oh, shit. Okay. Stakes are high for Kalika. Like the first season. I did, but I wasn't excited like everybody else was.

I like this one because Loki is more Loki. Interesting. Interesting. I see it. I see it. All right. For sure. I just let you know.

I'll just let you know, baby, they're not fucking with that. But we're trying to be very nice and we like you very much in the week. They're not, they're not fucking, let you know they're not fucking with that. No, I liked it. First of all, the victim timely performance is not, it's not that it's a little bit distracting. Okay. A little bit, Van, Van. No, I'll be honest.

It is a little bit distracting. It is a little bit distracting. If we're, He Who Remains, when He Remains came, that active performance, I was just like, all right, like. Can I be honest about the He Who Remains performance as well? I loved it. But the first time that I watched it, I was a little bit taken aback because it was such a tonal change for the show. So I was a little bit like, oh, but then I fell into it a little bit more. The Victor Timely performance is him being at tour with the capital A, really trying to get in and create a character.

And I get that he would want to do that because it's a variant of another character. So he wants to be further away from He Who Remains, but at the same time maintain some sort of quirky or avant-garde through line and possibly didn't quite find it. Or maybe it doesn't really work in this world. But it was probably the weakest part of the show, the performance of that. character. It wasn't so bad that it took away from me enjoying it, but no, I'll cop to that. I don't think he, I don't, if that's a thing that people are, that people are feeling, I don't think that I have any problem agreeing with that. I just think that there were other parts of the episode that were funny. I thought it, um, I thought it moved pretty well. I thought it was

delightful. I thought it was enjoyable. I thought the characters got some cool interplay. Do you know who I really thought the weak part of the episode was and who was really starting to get on my nerves? I don't know what they're doing with Sylvie this year. I knew it. I knew it. Oh. I knew it.

Talk about it, buddy. Talk about it. I had a similar thought. I had a similar thought. I don't know what they're doing with Sylvie this year, but it doesn't seem like at all. It's just like everything's going and it's like they're using her to be like a gigantic wet blanket. Every time stuff gets to a point to where it seems like it's interesting.

She's like she comes into. just like fuck everything up. I'll turn it over to the momentum. A little bit, right? So I don't know what they're doing with her this year. It's different. It feels like her emotional weight on the show feels a bit inert because everything that like

I kind of agree with Charles in fact that like I felt like a lot of this episode felt like emotional wheel spinning, especially when it came to both Sylvie and Loki. Like, Loki's just keep still trying to explain why everything that they're doing is important to Sylvie, and Sylvie's still not hearing it. And she's still not hearing it to the degree that she doesn't even understand that there's a million of these guys, Victor Timely, and it doesn't matter what she may or may not even want to do

or change or figure everything out. He's off on his own time-mi-Wy Adventure that is still kind of being explained because we've got to fix the loom and we've got to have the machine that fixes the thing, and we've got to make this cyclical loop or miss Minutes puts the book into Victor Timely's window when he was a kid. all of those things are puzzle pieces that are on paper fitting together, but plot mechanics are really starting to weigh down on this show hard when the strength of this show in season one and even in the beginning was interplay between characters and why those stakes matter.

And we're kind of just getting worked up in what needs to be done in what order and how quickly and, you know, rearrange all of these characters. in different orders just to re-explain kind of the same thing. That's where I'm bristling on a couple of performances here. The last thing I'll say is that the Victor timely thing just felt like a miss.

I get that he's trying to like, okay, this is the meek and atypical and nowhere, even near he remains kind of a thing, but it's like way over the top for me and like just not working at all. Jummy? I don't know, Steve.

you saw I'm mad at that plot is happening, which like I frankly don't understand. You know, like, these, like, whoa, whoa, what was that spice, Jomey? What do you mean? Like, what's going on with the mid edition boys? Is there a civil war of Bruin? Oh, no. Like, the plot is advancing. How dare they?

Like, I don't understand. In what way is the plot advanced, Jomey? So here's the thing, right? Like, I don't know if we watch them the same show, but it's very clear, right, that Miss Minutes and Rvona also want to take. our boy to the TVA, right, to restore the timeline, right? They both want to accomplish the same thing. Both Loki and Mobius and Ravona and Ms. Menace both want to take him back to TVA.

But they wanted to do two very different things, right? They want him to take him back so they can take the timeline and squish it back to one. Right. And Mobius and Loki are like, no, well, we've got all these timelines now. At this point, let's just make sure that they all stay. safe, right? And they want to bring him back so they can, like, what? What did Oroboros say? Expand the loom so it can handle all the timelines, right? Right. Jemmy, that's pretty important. Right. My problem isn't understanding what's going on. It's the fact that explaining everything

that needs to go on when all we're doing is just forcing everybody together to just point and be like, you need to do this. No, you need to do this. No, you need to do this. Versus what? Is that a emotionally, this is my question. Is that emotionally interesting? Where it's like last episode, I was riveted by Mobius having an existential crisis of who I, who am I as a person within the TVA versus who was I on the timeline? That to me is riveting storytelling. To Steve's point, them pointing in every character being like, well, I have to do this for

the loom. And I have to do this. And I have to do this. I just start not caring. I start shutting my brain off and being like, why should I care? Like, what does this matter? I mean, one, they don't tell you that.

And two, I'm not, I don't disagree that the emotional stuff is more interesting and that they didn't handle it perfectly in this episode. But if you're like, man, like, God forbid they'd like try and advance the plot. Like I, you know what I mean? Like, it's weird that like, I understand it's like a backseat. But to say that like all this plot stuff,

as I interesting, If they just like, if we just sat there for six episodes and at Loki and, oh boy, I mean, do the thing like, you, you know, I get what you guys are saying, right? We, we come to this show particularly for explorations of bonds between the characters that we love. That is the entire weight of the first season. It's Loki and Sylvie, and they built a narrative around them. In this season, they're doing something different. they've done it in a couple of different ways in the first two episodes, we've seen it.

In this one, it's the third of the first three, and we know that normally around this time in the season there is a reset where we get to what's going to get us into the last half of the season, and they reintroduce some characters that we'd already known.

There was probably an expectation, narratively, that you'd already care to a degree about Ravona. already has a history with Mobius, already has a history with He Who Remains, not one that we know as is fully explored, but one that has enough entry that we would be wondering what was happening

between them every time they were on screen. Didn't quite hit that, right? There's already enough mystery behind Ms. Minutes for you to care about Ms. Minutes when she's on screen for that moment that she jumps out and tries to suck his dick, that that actually works. Jesus Christ.

You know, and so they like it, they probably figured that, hey, these are characters that we probably have to do a little bit less work with. The reason why things worked for me, number one is I was really interested in how things were going to go, like how stuff was going to happen. The scene when they're on the ship and to where she says partner and he looks and he's like, oh, he doesn't like that because inside he is a conqueror. He is someone who's seen himself as the single most important mind in the entire galaxy. She said the wrong thing. If I was going to nitpick,

I would say, well, they kind of undid that whole thing a little bit later. And they sort of did. But just scene to scene, I was really entertained by the episode. It wasn't in the same way that we watched prior episodes

of Loki and been like, oh my God, this is so deep. Love is a dagger type situation. But I mean, I think everybody on this call or on this podcast understands you can't do that every single second of every single show. There's got to be a little superhero in there somewhere, right? So can I ask this? Because I think I'm also bumping up against, I still don't understand what they're trying to do with the multiverse in the MCU as much where it's like, well, there's a multiversal war and there's this and there's this and there's that.

and I can like understand it when I go through it beat by beat. But it does not have the same. You don't feel it. I don't, like the infinity saga, I felt that shit. Like there were moments where I like, I felt it. And I still, it still feels like they're searching for that thing in the middle, that like center of what this multiversal saga will be. And this was an episode where I'm like, they have not found it yet. So let's stay here for a second.

So let's stay here for a second. Okay. So they go to the World's Fair, right? Yeah. We're jumping through time. That's supposed to be significant. Where they go to the World's Fair. We see Victor Timely as a kid, I guess, in slavery or whatever, right after the seven mystic years or whatever.

We're going to talk about that as well. All right. Can we, wait, can we just stay here really quick? Sure. Did anybody else kind of, I was scratching my head? I'm like, he's talking to these white men like this in the 18-Hard. Like, I was a little bit like. They had to throw at least the boy in there.

They threw the boy in there. Yeah, yeah. Because they threw the boy in there so we could be like, all good. Because they had that nigger up there looking like Frederick Douglass. He looked like Tampa. Like he was, they had him up there and I'm like, bro, come on. Get off the stage, niggum. That's what I mean, that's what it would have said.

That's really how it goes, bro. I was waiting. I was waiting. I was like, what are he? Dog, he's scammed these people. He's been scamming these white people.

He's thousands. I'm like, dog. He's fucking finished. You think they would have turned it into like an after school special when someone was like, get off you nigger.

Lucky's like, hey, we don't use that kind of language out here. I mean, really, if they wanted to make the episode more meaningful, that's what they should have done.

Loki should have stood up for rights of black people. that error. Loki, Loki could have turned the whole black fist. The black fist. Loki, like, Loki is John Bryant, whatever, it's afterslave. You should not. Loki should have really been like, guys, I know a special, I know a special man by the name of Heimdell.

And let me tell you, my black friend would be ashamed. That's the kind of little corny shit that, let's just listen. That's the kind of little corny shit that they didn't do it. So we're like, oh, they should have done it. But if they would have done it, we'd have been like, crazy. Because think, it's like, what if somebody would have had to explain racism to Loki? Like in that moment? Like, shit is fucked up in this era. And he's like, well, on Asgard, we never had that. I'm down. Steve, how would you explain racism to Loki go? Oh, boy. Oh, boy. It's like,

oh, well, no, no, okay, here we go. Here we go. No, no, no, no. So, Loki, you know how you're an ice giant and how you were told to hide a part of who you were for all that time. This is too, too. Because of prejudice. Oh, right. This is too good. This is too good. This is too good. No, let him get his shit off. No, but no, wait, wait. No, they didn't like the ice giant. No, no. Let him get his shit off.

Because you thought he wouldn't be able to do it. Steve finished cooking. Let him get his shit off. The illegitimate son. Loki knows. Yes, he knows. This is the greatest moment that Steve's ever had on the podcast.

In your mouth, Charles. In your mouth. I got to give him. You asked him, you asked him, how he would have. Like racism. Steve literally. It's like the ice giants and as guardians.

That's how you do it. You know how you felt. This is why I sees my man, and they kept to outside. The oppressed ice giants, all right? And your mouth. They came to your fucking place and tried to fuck over you. Think about how racist fucking Thor was.

Try to kill that. Damn. And also, if we're going to be real, if I was Loki, this is why I would have been standing up for Victor timely like that, is like he got kidnapped by the Asgardians. And then they tried to be like, they put him in the corner.

You're like, you ain't even Thor. Like you less than, motherfucker. Like, stay in your place, stay in your role. Really, Loki is on some Theon Greyjoy type of shit anyway. So, like, he could really be mad at them if you wanted to. Steve, that was a fantastic. And it would be funny to go back and look at old pictures of the Black Resistance. And it's like Loki in the background.

Like, I think we had Loki. bro if we had bokey shit would be so lit like the 70s with like the Black Panthers and stuff just like

because you know they live for a long time we wouldn't even be having this conversation we would be explaining racism to you we would even know what is that

if we had Loki we'd be telling you ladies you would be the one feeling it is just like the ice giants we would be explaining

how the world of worse to you Steve? Can you imagine Anthony Mackey would have been the first Captain America.

We would have been looking at Chris Evans like dog, you can't even keep up. Everything would have been different. Everything would have been different.

Loki would have been able to wear his true skin. He'd have been boom. Can you imagine Teritz Howard? It had been mad. It had been mad. Loki would have had

so many black ladies. It had been mad. Blue black niggas running around. Half blue, half black. Wow. The whole nine.

Think about it. Frost Giants, the whole NBA Frost Giants. The whole NBA, a bunch of Victor Victor would be, he might be a Frost Giant. You never know. All right, can we get... All right, all right. All right.

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this point, it's a very good point, is that these things are supposed to mean something in the grander scheme of the new field that the MCU has in this phase, right? You're in all these different places around time. You think about it, during the Infinity saga, you are always wondering whether the next stone was going to turn up. And even if you weren't wondering it, when a stone did turn up, you were like, oh, my God, that's another infinity stone. Oh, my God, that's another deal. And there felt like this momentum, not just a collection of stones, right? Because there weren't too many that we could remember where they were. I'm not saying that everybody was like, oh, where is the next stone going to be? We weren't on it like that. But when one would turn up,

it reminded you that there was this momentum to the narrative, right? And that these things, when they came together, were either going to be a problem or a source of wonder or whatever. All of this stuff is just too complicated in order for that to be the case. It's not even that the writing's bad. It's that in order for us to understand time, for time to be this central plot point in all it is, it's like the sacred timeline itself. It kind of twists you up and knots.

And that's another reason why the characters and their relationships in a show like this matter so much because you kind of just got to surrender and do the human thing because if you try to do the MCU, multiverse saga thing sometimes you get out you get over your skis a little bit so I do agree with Charles in that sense

but I feel like this episode was self-contained enough there was enough cool shit that happened there was enough intrigue there was enough there were enough moments there to where I was really entertained by it I really was I mean can I bring up one more thing

and this isn't either a positive or a negative this was just like oh I was just wondering do you think Ravona was trying to put her like light skin magic on on Victor Timely? She was just like, yo, lesbian partners and he's like, whoa, sis. And I was, well, I think the partnership was the word.

Right? Because I remember he doesn't do. It definitely was the partnership, but she tried to put pressure on my boy. And like, Timely was like, fuck out of here. And I was wondering, did she not, did she miscalculate that in that moment?

Did she think she had more juice than she did? I think she was clearly making a play for her because she was the one that was listening to the tape in episode one that was left for Loki

in the beginning that where he who remains was like fawning over Ravona and how much of a marvel she is and that they would rule at the end of time so she, while also putting

the TVA guidebook in his window also is like, okay, well, like I see my wrong. Army singer bullshit was like, did, did Kang believe that? Maybe. Was just, Kang just trying to tell Ravona what she wanted to hear.

So he would get her to do, because Ravona is the one who delivers the TVA guidebook. So was that even him, like, Kang just being like, I need to keep Ravona under my thumb. So I'm just going to tell her what I need to tell her. I think. Or is this a Will and Jada type thing? It's a back and forth. I think it's a mix of both. They're not, like...

Yeah, he's like a mix of two things. He has a thing for her. Yeah. You think? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Clearly. He told her he put her in a boat and it was just like Roe.

I mean, because that's because it's missing it. She went too far. She was like, she went too far. But before then, man, he was putting her in a refrigerated chair trying to give her a root beer and all of that dumb ass shit. He was definitely trying to... He was definitely spin game. Yeah.

Clearly. When he was on the stage and he first saw her in the whole nine, he was trying to to do the whole, he definitely had a thing for. Charles, can you recognize love? No. Wait, whoa, whoa, what part of my personality on the last fucking two and a half years would make you think I could recognize love? Oh, my God.

He got dark. But he definitely was having a thing for their, wait, really quick before he continue, do you think it was the, of root beer, the refrigerated root beer, that turned him off. When she wasn't really surprised about it, was he like, that was my best move? And she's like, well, I think the thing is, is that, I mean, she's from the future. You know, you got to think about things like that, Victor timely.

She's not from where you're from. So, like, having a chair with a refrigerator in it, that's not the way you're going to get to her, bro. She's from a place where refrigeration is quite common. So I think he miscalculated that a little bit, but I think she still was very nice about She was like, practical. She's practical. She's a understand like what's going on. I don't know if you noticed this, but there is a floating cartoon clock here.

We might not be impressed by a cold root beer anymore. By the way, didn't even bother him one bit. Yeah, that bothered me. That bothered me. I was like, dog. Didn't even bother him. I asked a week, I'm like, can he see Ms. Minutes? Because at first I didn't know.

I'm serious because at first, I didn't know if he could see her or not. And look, I know that there are a lot of smart people back in those days, back in those times, all right? But you can't tell me that if Miss Minn had showed up right now, like if she started to lose my mind. I would be so scared. Right. And he just didn't give a fuck about any of that.

Did they have cartoons back then? That was my other question. In 1893? No, they did not. Possibly the dumbest fucking question in the history of the Midnight Boys. What? I mean like, you mean like moving cartoons like on TV? I don't know.

Did they have the little things? Like, you know, you add the little Nickelodeon things. Or you like put your eyes. I take it back. Yeah, they did have. Yeah, but it's like a glorified flip book is what they had back in the day. But no, but what I was asking is because if Victor Timely is like Miss Minutes is a play on like old-timey fucking cartoon. So if he doesn't have any reference for this, this shit is like he's like looking at something that he's never seen shit like this.

Right. No. And that's the dumbest thing in the world because the fact that Miss Minutes would, want to like blend in by turning black and white. Yes. And changing her eyelids to look more like she's from the 30s. I'm like, it doesn't matter.

You're a floating talking clock. That was so silly. That was a meta, that was a better joke. Sure, but whatever. But it was, that was more of a joke between her and Renslayer, right?

I guess. It was more of a joke between her and Rensselaer when she did that. And you noticed that she went back orange again when she was trying to get that cock wagon. We'll talk about that in the second. God. I do, Well, I do think it's interesting.

Like, I get you guys this point in terms of like, you know, why is he not freaking out about Sting Miss Minutes? But like he also has this book from the future. Let's get all this stuff that like he can't quite comprehend. I guess. Once again, but like, let me push back on this. I don't just mean what you understand. I'm trying to be real, Jomey.

I'm just trying to be real. Yeah. What type of education do we think that young Victor timely had in this? Like, like barely in elementary school. Okay. he can read. So how is he understanding a TVA time book from years upon years in the future?

By the way, got two properties, by the way, one in the city, one in Wisconsin. As a black man, I just want to know. I have questions.

In 18th, like what? I don't got two properties. It's 2023, motherfucker. I don't got two properties. Well, so here's a thing,

right? Here's the thing, right? And this is a part like, of like, I was like, okay, interesting.

Because he gets the book in 18, 1868, right? The Civil War ended three years. After that. After that. Or three years, yeah, three years before that. Before that. Right. He was before that, right.

So, you know, man, he can, you know, I'm like, huh, they gave this guy, like, the book. Three years after Civil War ended. I kind of, like, when you're talking about, like, the stutter, I'm like, I can see why he would stutter. Because he was slave is what you're saying. Then how does he understand? A, how does he understand an interdimensional time traveling book

from thousands of years in the future? Like this shit, he don't got the internet, bro. That's what we have to talk. He can't, I mean, it's also like, it's also Kang and he's like one of those,

you know, up there with like, Reed Richards and Times are smart. So like you got to like also know that. But like, yeah, like when you get, like people are like, this is what fucking don't know. I'm like indoor plumbing.

What the fuck are we talking about? Can I say something real quick? This is the issue and this is very sad. No, no, I'm serious. I'm serious. I want to say something seriously for a second. I want to say something seriously for a second. Seriously.

So we don't know where he was. Did they say where he was when... 25 years? No. When he was a kid, when they left it, did they went on the crawl, did they say a city? I don't think they did. I can pull it up.

I assumed it was still Chicago. Because Loki and Mobius were like, they went back to that time and they're just like, wait, there's a fair here. And so it's Chicago. If it was Chicago, there's a possibility that he was a freedman, right? It was Chicago, yeah. If he was in the North, that he was probably a freedman, right?

He wasn't, you know, whatever. But this is what I'd say, though, and we're joking around, but think about all the extra things that have to be considered about the character if you change the race of the character to a black man. if he's white, it's just, hey, let me expand upon this a little bit. And I'll just say this because this is actually kind of a real theme.

I watch a show on the History Channel. I'm actually on the show sometimes called the men who made America, the blank who made this, the blank who made that, the blank who made this, the men who made America, the men who made America, all that stuff. And when I'm watching the foods that make America, the guys from Kellogg's were on there,

And it's a really interesting story about how Kellogg's was started. One of them started posts. The other one started Kellogg's corn flakes up in Battle Creek. There was this big sanitarium. And the guy was feeding stuff to his people and he would feed them corn flakes. His brother stole the out. He would feed them grape nuts. The grape nuts got fucked up.

They turned into corn flakes. And then his brother did whatever. Every single time one of these guys has an idea, they always do something. They go and they get alone. That's always something that they do. Like WK Kellogg, the shit was the grape nuts were left too far on, too long on the thing. And they started flaking off and they were corny. And he was like, wait a minute, let's take this and put this into a bowl and feed this to the people.

And the people liked it. It was cornflakes. They liked it. It was an accident. He said his brother didn't want to serve it. So he went and got alone. And then he started producing cornflakes. And every time I'm watching that show.

I think to myself, it doesn't really matter, like, what kind of idea you would have had. Like, at that time, if you're my great-great-grandfather, you just fucked, right? Because the chances, even if you invented Jack Daniels, which a black man had invented, even if you invented cornflakes, even if you did all those things, even if you came up with it and it was able to do it, like, who's going to help you? Like, what's going to be the thing? Where are you going to get the capital that you need to make that happen? which almost all of those guys were able to get. And so, like, when I'm watching this show, we're joking and stuff, but, like,

if you make this guy black, you got to write around that. Yeah. You're like, you got to make that make sense. You got to throw a little bit of that stuff in there. And as weird as it is, and I don't want this to sound, uh,

it is, it's distracting. Because when I'm watching it, I'm like, okay, who's going to be racist to him? I'm like, who's going to, like, when is his life going to be in trouble? Like, what's it going to have? It is a little bit. Was it distracting when this was the moment for me because you bring up excellent points, man. This is everything.

Like, you said it in ways that I could not. I was distracted when he took the $1,000 from the white dude. And I'm like, that would, like, that barely happened today. Like, I was just kind of wondering. was like, you're telling me a white man during this time would have trusted him with $1,000. And then five seconds later, a bunch of people are like, these pants that you sold me aren't working. This isn't working. I'm like, was anybody in the room being like, we kind of have to explain that like there was no way that you could be a black scammer at this time and survive

for this many years and have two properties and no one's asking quite these are just, I was wondering the entire time. It was distracting. Yeah, look, maybe it's the sacred timeline because there was no racism. Maybe that's why it's sacred.

You know what I mean? But I will say this. And this is, you know, we can move off Midnight Boys, Black History Month Corner. But I will say, you know, there were, there's always been black people who have excelled. I want everyone to do a little bit of homework right now.

And just, hey, just humorous. We never really get into this stuff, not that much. We really just joke, make fun of Steve and all of that stuff. Steve kicked our ass on this one. So, you know, there you go. Frost Giants. But there was a guy. His name is, they called him the Black Edison.

He was one of the most remarkable figures in the history of America. He's seven feet tall in an inventor. His name was Granville Woods. His nickname was the Black Edison. Yep. He invented so many different things. He actually sued Edison during those times twice for patent infringement, and he won both times. So it's a remarkable story.

But didn't he mean backing? Like, that's what we're talking about. That's what I'm saying. He had to have backing of a white man to get these things out. Of course. So I'm just saying, and watching all of this, there was like a part when you take me back to that thing. to where I get all girded up. I do.

Now, Rinslayer, let's get into some specific stuff. There's not a lot of low-key, not as much Loki in this episode. So if you guys are wondering why we're not talking about Tom or anything that's going on or the overall mission to save the TVA is because, honestly, it doesn't really feel like the episode is about that that much. that the episode is about Rince Slayer, Miss Minutes, and Victor Timely. As an episode about those three characters, Charles, I'll ask you a question. What did you need to learn about them?

And what do you feel like the episode served you with those three characters? And you can get into Miss Minutes. With Timely Renslayer and Miss Minutes? Yeah. So I actually do think that this episode, to Jomi's point, I think in Spots, did push. at least the narrative forward in terms of like we did learn with what Miss Minutes wants, which I was

like, okay, Miss Minutes wants, it's not the body that she wanted. I do think that Miss Minutes wants a certain level of control and respect. I do think that it was a smart decision to make Renslayer and Miss Minutes on, they're not really allies. They both want to be closer

to Kang. They want to be the person at the end of time. that is in whatever variant we're talking about's corner. So I think that was done where I was just like, okay, I get that. I think the thing that I didn't get from the episode is, and I'll put this back on you, Van, do you think that they have gotten a handle on King yet? In terms of, I think we misremember Thanos,

where we didn't really get Josh Brolin until Infinity War. Like we got some in Avengers, we got some in Guardians of the Galaxy, but we did not have to get a very hefty performance until that movie. And they're doing something different now where we're getting a bunch of different Kangs before we get to Kang Dynasty. And I'm starting to wonder, is that a mistake? Because now I can judge, he who remains, and Victor Timely and the Kang from Ant Man, and I have feelings about all of them in a way that I did not have about Thanos. I was just being like,

oh, he's about to come and he's about to fuck shit up. So you said Thanos is about to come? Oh my gosh. This is not fucking Camrod and Mace. Can we finish this shit, bro? I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Yeah, so look, they're fumbling the Kang thing. Damn, I think he was going to be that harsh about it. I'm just being honest with you. So Hugh Remains was great. It was great. It was fantastic in that it was interesting to start off seeing the character having gone crazy at the end of time, the whole nine, right? Almost seeing the final form of the characters, like, really interesting. Or perhaps a different version of the character, right?

A different timeline version, okay? But at some point, Marvel had to figure out how to make this character not scary villainous or whatever. We talk about villains as being good villains because they're scary or foreboding. That's really not the reason why they are. They're good villains because they're important. They're consequential. That's why. because the thing that they're doing is displacing.

They have to be stopped. It's destabilizing. It's going to destroy everything. You have no choice but to stop them. And the fact that you don't have any choice but to stop them pushes heroes to new levels, pushes them over the brink, makes heroes sometimes do things that are immoral,

makes heroes sometimes do things, make sacrifices that they wouldn't normally, make, those villains are important. They hold weight. Kane doesn't have that yet. He doesn't. Kane doesn't have that yet. Maybe it's too early they expect them to.

Thanos had that almost immediately because the first time we saw him, it was a failed attack on the earth where all the Avengers had to unite in order to stop what he brought to the planet. So the next time you saw Kang and he's sitting in the throne, you already know what he's capable of because this son of. of a bitch, had almost just ended stuff with Loki as a proxy. And then when you see him picking around from the other places, you're thinking, well, if he could do that without any of these stones, if he had that type of swag and push without

it, when he gets all of them, he's going to be super formidable. The thing with Kang and however, it's such a delicate line. It's such a, it's so hard to do. And it's not quite working. Right? This was, it's cool. It's interesting. It's got some quirk to it.

But I don't think it's necessarily, I'm not to the point to where, I mean, in quantum mania, he was that way for a little while and then, like, he got kicked off this fucking shit by an ant farm. And I kind of, you know, it kind of fucked them a little bit. So I think they're fumbling it to a degree. That doesn't mean that I didn't enjoy watching a weirdo, Jonathan Majors act like a weirdo with Ravona Renslayer and Ms. Minnis, it just means that it's not quite the same. Maybe it's not supposed to be the same.

Maybe we're supposed to feel something different. And if we're supposed to feel something different, we're certainly feeling something different, but he doesn't feel important as a villain yet. Not yet. I mean, maybe it's overexposure. You know, to your point? Like, we're seeing him,

saw him in season one of Low Keating. It seems, season two, seeing him in, uh, Mania, right? Where in, for Thanos, like, we saw him first in 2012, then a little bit in 2014, then for like another post-credit scene in 2015, like, for like until Infinity War, I don't think we've gotten like five minutes total of Thanos, right? And it's, and for, for King, you know, we've got like a mixtapes worth of footage for the guy.

You know what I mean? and so in terms of like trying to set up somebody who is supposed to be more terrifying or at least like as terrifying as Thanos we're seeing a lot of them and it's not leaving a lot to the imagination right. King is the J-Cole of the MCU if we're going to be honest.

Okay. The mixtape was crazy. The mix tape was crazy and when that debut album dropped everybody was like, this is what we're getting. We're going to be real. You know, I'm saying? Like Ant Man dropped and we was like, oh word, this is what she was doing. Yikes.

So I'm just saying, like, he can bounce back. Jay Cole has bounced back. He's fine. Yeah. But Kang right now, I'm like, all right, I'll put it to y'all this way. Would Kang even, like, could you even put Kang and Thanos on the same level? Like, if you had them in the same room? I think that they could be. They could be. I think that they could be, but right now. they could be, but right now, no. The great thing about He Who Remains is that he laid out basically the stakes of what

Kang the Conqueror actually is. And it's a problem that will never go away if you let this happen. And if you let this happen, there is no foreseeable solution to it that I, the person at the end of

time, could only think of to funnel all of time in one direction to fix that problem. If you take that problem away, you should be dealing with a, like, a hydra's worth. I say hydra in the fact that, like, if you take off one head, two more take its place. That's what Kang is. That's what the idea of Kang is, is that it's a problem that will always, always come back. And unless time is funneled into one thing, that that's what it is.

But instead, we have an example of, you know, a Kang that was ineffective, his car broke down in quantum mania, And he just got beat by Ant Man. And now we have Victor Timely, a weirdo who may or may not be the origin story of a Kang-like or something entirely different. We don't know. And I think that's just not what's being executed. We know who Victor Timely is in terms of who he represented, who he is in the comic. Right. But as far as like what it means for the whole Kang of it all, it's up in the air at that point.

So we still don't really know. And knowing that Thanos was just one guy that's like brooding in the corner for 12-ish movies, that's just like, I'm gonna fuck you guys up in a couple movies, just you wait, that's cool.

Like we rocked with that. But knowing that like, all right, well, there's this thing going around. We don't know what it is, but, man,

all right, that's what it is. Like, that's why Kang isn't working exactly for me right now. I find it interesting that you mentioned Kang and how,

you know, following the universe, verse into, you know, one, like, timeline versus multiple timelines. I think maybe that's where we're getting lost on Sylvie to bring it back to the episode is because, from her point of view, right, if there's multiple Kangs out there, like, that's her number one up, right? That's their number one enemy, right? Kangs, at all levels, I need them dead because that's the guy who ruined my life, right?

I think that's the thing we're not understanding, like, from her point of view, right? Because it's easy for us to be like, hey, you know, like, if you kill this guy, you know, the TVA could blow up, yada, yada, yada, whatever. Like, we get that. But from her point of view, more Kang's is more problems, and she's just going to go around killing all of them until there's no more left to kill because that's like the number one thing in her life. Victor Timely go at the end of this episode. Because she trusts Loki. No, it's not because she trusts Loki. I actually really like this part.

It's because she saw herself in Victor Timely begging for his life. Knowing that, like, I'm not who you think I am. I'm not the problem. The reason she was taken away by the TVA is because she's the one Loki that's not supposed to exist. And all of these things aren't actually happening. I think the best part of this episode is when Victor Time was begging for his life and Sylvie shows restraint. and mercy because... Oh, I like this.

I like this. Everything that he said is what Sylvie would have said to anybody from the TVA if she was a kid and had a voice for herself. All right, I cook with this. All right, Steve. All right.

I like this. There's a very astute observation. The only thing I would say is, once again, the show understands it. That is definitely what they were saying. But, I mean, at some point, you got to kill him, though, right? I mean, if you know

If you Probably. I think that this is her Sylvie first trying to like actually see Loki's point of view of being like oh maybe the solution isn't killing every Victor timely or every just trying in a different way.

But counterpoint She does Sylvie doesn't know this yet but miss the fact that he who remains thinks that this Victor timely is the one that is the most important would set my alarm bells off. And Sylvie doesn't know that yet. This is the genesis of who he is.

He just wants to make sure that it starts over again. But what I'm saying is that would, like, if I'm Sylvie and I had that information, that's the reason why you need to get him the fuck out of here right now. Because he's like, the minute he puts like Ravona on the fucking boat,

I'm like, to your point, then you brought this up, I'm like, oh, he's the conqueror. Like, this is the only way. It was always going to go this way. It will always go this way. Let's talk about Miss Minutes real quick. Oh, boy. So when they're on the boat, on the big ship,

Ms. Minutes was getting jealous. I figured that this was a creator type of deal. You know, jealous, the Bozeman gets jealous of Kalika, but it's not like a, it's not like a, he wants to be with me type of situation. Like, it's very funny. Next time you guys come over, I'll hug Kalika. And when I hug Kalika, you'll see Bozeman come over and be like, like, where's my hug?

Like, no, I'm the baby. Like, I'm your, I'm the most important thing. I'm the thing that gets the cuddles and like, like, where's my hug, right? So I thought it was more like that with Ms. Minutes. I thought she was more like, hey, it was more like father, daughter, because she goes, you created me in a way. No, she wants the temporal loom.

She wants every inch of it. Whoa. Yeah. What? She wants to stop. You're not incorrect. No, yeah. It's a lot.

It's a lot. Here's my crazy out of left field theory. I think Renslayer is Android Miss Minutes. So you think that Rensselaer is Android Miss Minutes. Memory Wiped, et cetera, et cetera. So in this show, the love affair between Kang and Renslayer is actually going to be a love affair between the AI soul of Miss Minutes in a

Android Renslayer body. Okay, well, if that's the case. This is wild. I have nothing to verify or back this up, but like I feel like if there's like a wild like it's bringing it all back. I do feel like it's your freaky ass ex Machina type of mind working overtime. I see an ex-Mockina too many

times where I'm just like, okay, you just need an AI body. That's all. I think it was an interesting choice. I think the Miss Minutes thing was hilarious, first of all. And it kind of, it's indicative of the freaky, funny, crazy shit that made me like the episode. Like, it was the crazy shit. Victor Timely wasn't perfect, but it was just a little bit off. Like, Moby is trying to go get Cracker Jacks.

Well, I was laughing. I was having fun. Yeah, no, that was watching it. Like, him trying to actually experience the world's fair when they're supposed to be working. Right. I was having fun with the episode. Well, can I push back really quick? Because I like the Cracker Jacks moment.

But I was like, so in last episode, we have established that Sylvie was looking at McDonald's. Like, this might as well be like fucking Michelin Star restaurant, right? And in this episode, Loki was just like the Cracker Tack. The Cracker Jacks tastes like Ash. And I'm like, Loki, you was eating fucking figs and fucking, you know, nuts and berries a couple years ago. What are you talking about? Cracker Jacks taste delicious. Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. Those are Asgardian figs, brother. You don't know. Yeah. That's the literal nectar of the gods. You ever been to Asgard, nigga? You don't know what the things on Asgard taste like.

You think the Asgard food is better than Earth food? Almost certainly. 100%. 100%. There's no GMOs. There's no, they'll have the pest size and they shit. Oh, my gosh. They got all the organic shit.

They got different special. They don't got fried food in Asgard? God damn grapes and shit. Whoa, whoa, they don't got no Popeyes in Asgard. I'm just talking about bossy. I'm not talking about health. It tastes better. I'm just talking about like, yo.

You know what? That's how you know you a city kid. You need to come down to Louisiana and let me put you on the straight fruits and vegetables off Big Pop and then farm. I could give, bro, you ever, you got to get them organic. What are you talking about? They don't got no gumbo and Asgard. What are you talking about?

I bet you be fired, though. I bet they got a fry. up going on there? Yeah. They might, bro. They should be tasting food. You all think they got fried chicken and Asgard? Y'all are lying. They got some type of chicken. I've seen Thor eat.

I've seen they eat the chicken legs. They got roast chicken. They got roast. They got grilled, but they don't got fried food. They don't got shit like that. I'm just saying. What I'm saying is I bet that Loki taste the shit that we eat and thinks it tastes disgusting.

He could probably taste all the crazy shit. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Thor was chilling on Earth with Jane having a grand old time. Now, Thor was having a fun time. He was like a coffee. I mean, look, I'm saying, I'm sure there's some foods there that they like, but

like, like, this is a thing, I'm sure the food on Asgard's great. They also shouted out, Balder the Brave, which was a big deal, very important thing that happened. But my point is, the mis-minute situation when it happened, this is going to sound stupid. I thought it was one of the coolest, most. weirdly van moments in the history of Marvel TV. All right, let's wrap it up. Let's wrap it up.

I was so entertained. Wait, wait, wait, whoa, bro. I was so entertained, bro. I'm like, is she about to, I'm like, is she about to try to get the dick stick? All right. Like, she was talking about she wanted a body, and I'm thinking, oh, she wants to be a person.

And then when she jumped on a mannequin, I'm like, nah, she's trying to see what's up. In clock terms, when the big hand touches the little hand. Yeah, when she came at him, I was laughing my face off. Y'all didn't think that was hilarious. Not only did I not think it was hilarious. I have never been more uncomfortable in my entire life.

I was like, my skin was crying. I'm not like, Joanie, because here's the thing, she's an AI, so she's watched more porn than any living. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, she's got, like, she's... It's like when Vision, like, does, like, the mind control thing on Ultron. It's like, absorbs it all. Exactly.

But here's the thing, what we're not, like, to Van's point, what we're not thinking about. Think about if you miss minutes, right? You've watched the nastiest shit you've ever seen, but you don't got a body to act any of that shit out. I get it. Like, I understand it. Where it crosses the line is wanting to fuck your dad.

That's where I'm like, dog. Like, what are we doing here? Like, you know what I'm saying? I think it's like the Frankenstein's monster, Freudian. I don't know if Frankenstein wanted to. God. Frankenstein didn't want to fuck his daddy.

What are we doing? Well, we get in the bride of Frankenstein and stuff. It's, I don't know. Because you can see, like, I don't know, like, I saw the looks and I thought like, oh, maybe like at first, like, when they're in the room and like they're talking about like, doing the refrigerator chair thing, she's giving them looks. I think like, oh, maybe she's just jealous of like the attention, right? But then on the boat, it was like, oh, no, she, she's into this dude. And then she, like, completely shoots her shot at old boy at the house in Wisconsin, whatever.

And he was like, I'm good off that block by James. Get that out of there, brother. Wait a minute. Not doing that. I don't know, man. It just, it was just like, what's going on? Like, first of all, I mean, just to be very honest, this minute's being horny.

I wasn't on my bingo card. I'm saying. So I'm a little bit like, ah. I'm starting to cross over in the van territory. You guys, like, Joe, me're such a pre- It's just me. It's really just me. Like, what's wrong?

Like, come on, man. I don't know, man. I don't know. They don't allow androids in the TVA. Ooh. Look, I just won't. you guys know that this is not that big of a deal when it comes to relationships that we've seen in Marble.

Oh, yeah. We've had way freakier. Can I ask you guys, can, is this a safe space? Scarlet Witches Day. The robot. Is this a safe space, guys? I have to ask this. All right.

Was Vision made with a penis or did he have to go back to Tony and Bruce? And like after like the, like he's like, yo, I'm with Scarlett right now. Like can y'all build me? Or could he build one for himself? First of all, I've thought about this before. Of course you have. He can definitely build one for himself, right? Because he can phase and that's probably better for her.

Change density as well. I don't know. And then also I think that they have physical intimacy in a way that's like not typical to us. Is it like sting? Well, I mean is that I bet they do some weird energy sharing type of deal. Oh yeah, like Mindstone to Energy Stone kind of thing. Yeah, because she's, I don't know, they might not do it exactly the way that we do.

I think they have like a deeper, like more connective thing. It's probably some crazy type of shit that they're into. You don't think he's getting his Dr. Manhattan off though? No. Well, because remember, like, we see him in Ultron and, you know, he's kind of, you know, he's pretty barren, I believe. And then, uh, I was wondering, does his, does his lower half? Like, is it like, he can pop it out and then put it back in? I don't know. Who's the head was for a freak though? They don't have any vibranium. Like, that was all the vibranium they had. Like, it was basically what, um, Ultron got from, um, Ulysses Claw, right, to make, to make him. So I don't know how much vibranium is out there for public. I imagine Ultron just looking at the body being like, okay, so what we want to make for this part? Yeah.

Is that, is Ultron? Like, do they have, like, vibranium toys and, like, Wakanda? Is that, is that? Oh, boy. I'm just saying. Let's keep going, like,

this is interesting because here's the thing. With the brain. They use, they use the vibrational for everything in the car. What else did they get? Oh, my God. You're getting wrecked. Oh, well, okay, first of all, Bucky's arm has a vibration setting,

bruh. You know that. That's different. That's different. He's not putting vibranium into himself. You know what I'm saying? But I'm saying that's why they knew how to take the arm off so easy because they probably took that arm with her.

Oh. Like boom, boom, boom, boom. Now, you know, I don't need the rose. We just, we're, we're never going to make it. You know, like, we just, you guys, we're just too, we're too unsurious to be doing this. I want to ask one more question specifically about the episode, though, which I enjoyed.

Great deal. Was it smart to send Rinslayer and Miss Minutes to the end of time? It seems like a playground for mischievousness for them. I know that he's dead. I know that everything is crumbling. But it just seems like sending them to his house that there's going to be something there. There's going to be, it seems like a. major, major, major,

miscalculation. Like, I was wondering, I was just like, wait, he got all of his, like, data, books,

like, nothing has been wiped from the end of time? I see it more as a problem from Mobius and Loki that they didn't try to actually apprehend a Renslayer at all to be like,

okay, coming with us, getting the prison cell, got to interrogate you now. Like, no follow up there. just like, okay, Sylvie, you can, I guess, kill her if you want. Why didn't they take Miss Minutes also?

Well, I don't know. Like, that's cool because they got Victor Timely. That's really all. Why wouldn't they have a backup just in case timely doesn't work? Well, remember, that was the plan, right? We go, we go, the original plan was to go get Rivona because Rvonis with Ms. Minis, and Miss Minis could override the temporal loom lock, right? And then to go to the thing they see timely, they're like, oh, snap.

That's he, the variant of who remains. he's way, it's much better to get him than to get those two, right? Then, um, which I'm like, I don't know. I think Ms. Minutes is probably the better bet, but okay. Yeah, but maybe, but Mobius was like, you know, hey, that's a, you know, small problem tomorrow, big problem today. Right. Like, let's, like, let's fix the TVA first.

And then we can do with the whole king and all the extras type things. They ultimately, that was their decision making there. They, they said in the episode. So, like, while I kind of agree, like, you know, if Sylvie going to do, one thing. She's going to kick somebody through a time door. Right. And maybe kicking her there might not be the smartest move because you know, with Miss Minutes, I don't know

like how much powers left because Sylvie has he who remains time pad. That's how she's able to get around. I still, yeah, I'm still like, uh, maybe they might find out a lie. I think her misfits can figure out something. Yeah, they can figure out something with all that stuff there. So maybe not the best decision. He remains his body was looking gnarly. It was gross. Everybody give a prediction on what's going to happen with Victor Timeline

in the next couple of episodes. Are we going to see the beginnings of Kang, or are we going to see a variant that in some way resists the future version of themselves? I mean, there's going to be an immense moment of wonder once he gets to the TVA and sees all those things that he is basically responsible for, him talking to Oro Boroughs, all of that stuff. What do you feel, where you feel like that character is going from now? I mean, we now have Jonathan Majors in the show.

So I'd expect that he would figure prominently into the next couple of episodes. What do you guys think is going to happen right there? OB is going to have a new fan. That's all I can predict. Like he was looking at OB's like, yo, OB wrote all this shit. And I was just like, okay, OB, I don't think OB is going to be evil, but definitely there's something going on with timely. Tom is going to try to talk to him.

Yeah, I mean, that was my other question. it looked like timely was building gadgets that OB had never thought of before, which was also interesting. Is that how smart he is, that he can just read this manual and start adding on additional technology? Because wasn't he like to Rivona?

He's like, y'all need this for the loom? And I'm like, okay, sure. Yeah. And that's the, like, that's the, like, that's the, tough part to tell what that that would be. I think that there's going to be a great geek out moment between Obie and

Victor Timely, and I think it would be a mix of what both scenarios, Van said, where maybe Timely encounters another variant of Kang and A sees how dangerous he is, but also is intrigued by the power that that variant could

hold. And then that begins Kang. That's my guess. Well, I'll tell you what, we squaws all the juice out of the lemon. Shout out to everybody back there. You know, you call him Victor Tomley a boy. He's looking like Frederick Douglas. He's not afraid of AI ghosts that pop up.

Shout out to B-15. Getting, giving her just enough work to stick around in the show. It's kind of turned on B-15 a little bit. Really? Not enough Oroboros in the show. me in this episode. That's my guy. I need as much OB as possible. Look,

as far as I'm concerned, we're still rocking and rolling. Now, here's my question. You're starting to be alone on an island there, then. I'm with him. I'm here. Who, let me ask you a question. How many episodes of Loki in this? Six.

Six. Six total. They sent four to the screener people. Just to let everybody know, we got screeners. As the Midnight Boys, we only watched one at a time because we are not getting back in the screener game. I haven't seen any of this stuff. I swear on my dad.

But four episodes of Loki is a lot. Yeah. It's most of the season. Yes. People saw it. They didn't fuck with it. Yeah. Kind of down on it.

I'm wondering what happens. Just my intrigue. wondering what happens next episode and then I'm wondering what happens the two after this. I'm wondering where the show is going. The only reason I'm positive on this because I was pretty low on Loki towards the middle of the first season. And then the last two episodes, it was like hitting home runs. So I'm hoping that the last two episodes have a similar like, all right, foot on the gas. shit's not cute anymore.

We're doing the thing. When MCU TV shows really have a track record of doing that before. Whoa, whoa, Steve, I'm trying to be positive. God, Steve,

I'm glad you brought that up, though. I'm glad you brought that up. Because I don't know if you guys have read our friend, New York Time bestselling author, Joanna Robinson's book, MCU, the reign of Marvel Studios.

There's some tidbits in there, some little interesting things. and I'm going to call Charles to the stand here. Charles, you're a hack and a fraud and I say that with love.

A hack and a fraud. What is Joe Me on right now? So part of the book talks about phase four and phase five, right? And, you know,

when Charles comes in, Charles is like, hey guys, this show is mid when it's fine. Right? It's like, okay.

We're like going through it. It's like, guys, it's mid. And then we get the season finale, which for a lot of these shows are not great. I'll be completely honest. Some of them are outright terrible. And we're like, dang.

And Charles put on his hat, and he does his little cellar dance, and we got to sit there and be like, man, he might have been cooking. But there's some interesting information in Joanna's book where it talks about how the shows are made and how the sausage gets done.

done. And I don't want to like... How the sausage gets done? That's crazy. Okay, so you were talking to talk to them. That's crazy. See, you're just trying to derail me. You're just trying to derail me.

I'm cooking right now. Hold on. You're cooking the sausages right now. Yeah, I got them in the bag. Got some hot Italian. Wow, that's nuts. Yo, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.

He did that to himself. He didn't even be... Unprompted. Hey, yo. Joe. Joe, what you got in there? Jomi. Can you get to the point, please?

So, when they make the show. So, shows, right? They just deliver scripts and they don't have endings. Like for example, Wanda Vision had all his episodes mapped out except for the last one. Right? Well, they make these shows. They give you like, you know, like the first like, you know, two thirds or three fourths.

And the last quarter, the last three, one third, it's just a blank space for people to do the thing in. Charles, you're cheating. us. See, you knew this. So when you go in, you're just like, all you got to do is call it mid. And because nobody knows what's happening, like, literally nobody knows what's happening when they're making the show basically until like they're like, like, the studio comes in and whoever's like, all right, we got to have an ending somewhere. And they half-asually slap an ending on it.

And you're like, boom, I'm right. It was always mid. And it's like, dang. Like I see the vision. I'm putting the links together. Mask off. If I'm like doing like mask off, not a minute. Night Boy anymore just being like a critic.

You could tell from the pilot episode, they don't know how they're in this shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can tell from the pilot episode, you're like, they don't know how they land in this plane. You're like, come on. It doesn't take... No, you're right. No, you're right. It doesn't take a genius. And that's what makes me worried, because

we are halfway through this season. And all I will say is, felt good about the first two. This third one has me worried. Now, you're 100% correct. It's just like interesting pattern. Like, how the multiple shows have that kind of issue. And yeah, like, we can obviously tell, like, when you get to the end, like, something clearly happened here.

The Marvel movies also have that problem if we're going to keep it up. Well, I'm having fun. I'm having fun. The Midnight Bulls will be back. You know what? We can't wait to see you guys at the live show. That's right. You can't wait to see you guys at the live show.

We can't wait to hang out. I got my costume. I'm going to be feeling very good. Damn, I got to fucking buy this costume. I don't know. I got a fucking costume. I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait. Look, that's enough. That's a wrap. Follow socials, Instagram, Instagram. Coming up on a feed, Friday, Jessica Clemens will be back. That's splash page. Y'all, the Easter eggs. It's a lot of Easter eggs. Talked about the Baldwin's Brave Easter. There's a lot of other Easter eggs see there. Some there were in Victor Timley's book. I actually noticed some of the Easter eggs. I'm not that good at that, but Jessica is fantastic at it. Make sure to check in with her. On Sunday, Minn a day. returns to give you their Gen V mid-season check-in and everybody be watching Gen V

and everybody be listening to the Mint Boys, please. Hell yeah. All right. Monday, button match returns. Give you their deep dive on Spider-Man 2. I wonder if Ben will get out of the house this weekend. It's possible that he won't. It's possible that his whole weekend

will be spent playing Spider-Man 2. Just like me for real. Just like you. A lot of people, I'm going to buy it. I'll buy it. I'll buy it, play it twice, and didn't stop playing that bitch. That's what I do to all of those games like that. I played that.

You guys came over and y'all made me buy that Gardens of the Galaxy game. I bought that bitch. That's a good game. But I stopped playing that ho. Really? You didn't finish it? It's great. It's really good.

Bro, y'all don't understand the Madden be calling me, bro. No, brother. You got to love yourself. Bro. The Madden be calling me, bro. It's just rage bait. It's all it is. The man be calling me, the Madden be like,

man, we want a glitch for you. Man, we want to glitch. for you. Madness. Madden is my misminutes. Oh, wow. You mean it doesn't love you back? Yeah, he is.

It loves me too much. Our producer is Steve, the architect almond. Jomi, dinner on social, hashtag Jomey the Italian sausage sizzler. Ooh.

That's what I'm talking about. An additional production from Arjuna, Ramcapaul. Chuck. Take us out. Miss Minutes ticks, miss Minutes talks. Shout out to all the Frost Giants and all the vibranium cocks. Boo! So you said Thanos is about to come?

Oh my gosh. This is not fucking Cam Ron and Mace. Can we finish this shit, bro? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Just think about it, that would be a real problem. if he, you know, with the gauntlet, the most powerful in the world. That's probably what he was doing up there.

And there was nobody else on that planet. And one of his hands was all destroyed. It probably was him doing that. Is that why you think he was weak when, like, Thor came up? He was just like, dog. Because he set him off on accident because of the friction. You know what I mean? We picked up this blast.

Cheesy, greasy. All right. Wow. Yeah, we, all right. His whole hand is destroyed. That's funny. I don't give a fuck. That's funny.

That's funny. That's funny to think about that he was up there by himself. That's good. Oh, really? It's not funny. That's funny, that's funny. See, if I, if I was running Disney. You better knock that off, son, or you'll turn to Thanos.

Those are the kind of shorts I would make. Like, he put the whole galaxy at risk. Anyway, okay. Okay.