The Ringer-Verse - ‘Loki’ Season 2, Episode 4 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: October 27, 2023

The Midnight Boys return to share their instant reactions to the latest episode of ‘Loki’ Season 2. The guys discuss Ravonna Renslayer’s rise to main villain of the show (20:00), Loki and Sylvie’s debate of freedom vs. safety (30:00), and the death of Victor Timely (47:00). Hosts: Charles Holmes, Van Lathan, and Jomi Adeniran Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal and Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Feeling in for Steve together, web him up and hit him with a piece of the lightning. Woo, I'm a stupid hero. We are. Jomi, the explainer, Adirond, you've got questions, he's got answers, and you're probably going to have a lot of questions after today's episode. We are Coke Baby Chuck, the 24-carric closer, aka the brunch hoddy. We are old man Van He of the receding and resurgent, hairline. Together, we are known as of our midnight boys.

That's what I'm talking about, Kerm. Johnny on the spot. Fals on socials. Ringer socials are Instagram, Twitter. Instor. What's Mr. Inster is a mixture of Twitter and shut up.

It's early. Insta Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, save Jummi's job. Jummi, socials update. Give it now. Man, I had to go through the black market to get that picture of Charles for his birthday yesterday.

Happy birthday, Chuck Wagon. Yeah. You got my takes. You really don't want your face out there. You don't want people know where you live. You don't want people just, you know, privacy. But guys, I'm sorry that we're recording on Friday morning,

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This guy. This guy. This guy is something else. This guy. This guy is something else. That's so fucked up, man. I'm the light skin. I'm the light skin of the midnight boys.

You know, I had to get into this real estate. DJ jealous over here. That's so crazy right there. That's so bad, funny. Wait, Van, really quick. Not to put you on the spot, but did our man who will go nameless ever hit you up? Be like, yo. Nah, he didn't.

You sure? Don't fucking lie, did. He never did. He never did. He never did. He never did. He never did. That's fucking talk about.

This thing is getting his ass kick. All right. On Saturday, Jessica Clemens, we'll be bringing you another episode of Splash page. The latest on Loki, Easter eggs, all kinds of fun. That's going to be fantastic splash page is a very fun show to watch.

A Monday, Buttmash breaks down. Alan Wake 2 and Five Nights at Freddy's. I had no idea with Five. nights at Freddy's was, but I bought my little brother of PlayStation 5, and I was like, what game do you want? I was expecting him to be like, you know, he'll be up with that madden, give me this, give me that. He's only like, Spider-Man 2.

Not Spider-Man 2, no, he was like, I want five nights at Freddy's security breach. Like, what the fuck is that? It was like, it was like, it was like five, what the five nights at Freddy's security breach? That sounds like some shit I'll be watching. Like on another, you know, Anyway.

Bro. Also on Monday, House of R will be giving you their deep dive on Loki episode four. You can find that on the House of our podcast feed. You guys were going to be all together on Monday at the Terragam Ballroom downtown. The Ring of Versa Live show. It's going disown. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Fo shis, foes shis. Genuine. What's up, home? Yeah. He's just like, all right tonight. we gonna be at the fucking dinner ladies getting free before 10 I'll tell you what

that's crazy and we're like at the live show we're like yo ladies getting free before 10 that was so funny Michelle Williams killed that bro she did fooshes she killed her Foshes Foshes Foshes Jiny Wals up homie What's up? Be real in 2023 would you let

Would you let Justin Timberlake come up to you Like fooshes, Fos shes man Would you want to hear a story? Please. Absolutely. Real quick, real quick, because we got to get to the show. So years ago, years ago, I should have told this on higher learning. Fuck!

Years ago, years ago, it was me, Charlemagne, his wife, Kalika, our dear friend Jazz who passed away, a comedian named CP, a bunch of people, and we were going to cut. like Charlamagne used to come in town he didn't come in LA a lot and so when he came in everybody would get together we'd be like 13, 14 people we all go out to a restaurant tonight we were going to cut which is Wolfgang Pucks Restaurant

in the Beverly Wilshire over off over off Rodale and Wilshire so we're walking in it's me, Charles' wife Kalika and we walk by this table and we hear Maine

Maine. Oh, no. And I'm like, what? Maine. And we turn around, and it's Justin Timberlake. Get the fuck out of here. I swear. Get the fuck out of him.

I promise. He's shortening Charlemagne. He's going, Maine, Maine. Turn around. It's Justin Timberlake, and he's sitting there with the guy. Who's the guy that helped create? Who's the guy to help create all those boy bands, the black guy that was like the manager, the black dude.

Anyway, you'd know him if you ever watch Making of the band because he used to be on that show and stuff like that. But anyway, Justin Timberlake is sitting at dinner with that guy. Okay, cool. So whatever. So we're over there sitting down eating and then Justin Timberlake comes over when he's about to leave. And he comes over there and he's talking.

He's like, you know, normally I wouldn't be in a suit. But, you know, I had to do this thing with the Hollywood floor and press. and we're all like, all right, nigger, can we get back to the steak and the fun conversation we were having? Get your ass out of there. Nice guy,

but definitely trying to be down. It's a thousand percent fast. What year was this, just so I know? 2015, 2016, maybe? Yeah.

2015, something like that. 2015? This is rough. This is rough for J.T. Just that what you want. Y'all didn't call him out? You weren't like, yo. Oh, we were,

we niggas started cracking jokes. We was like right there niggas started cracking jokes because we was a bunch of comedians and people at the table and we was drunk All right on today's show we're discussing

the fourth episode of Loki Season 2 and we're going to spoil some stuff you guys I'm sorry I'm sorry guys a lot of things are going to be spoiled we are going to spoil everything up to the MCU this point

we might spoil some post credit scenes in the Marvels Who knows? The rumors are abound. We're going to spoil all the stuff you've read, all the stuff you've talked about your entire life. Kermm, give them a spoiler warning.

We're getting ready to talk about... Looky! You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Got to put you in the need to know. You have to know everything about this episode. There's only one way to do that. That's the Midnight Manifest.

Chuck, take it away. All right. This is your Midnight Manifest, War, the heart of the TVA, directed by Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead, written by Eric Marken and Catherine Blair. We begin with Miss Minutes showing her vona her past with Hew and Remains. Brent's Laird led Hew Remains' forces during the Multimversal War, but he decided to wipe her memories along with the rest of the TVA. Miss Minutes and Revona then decide to team up. In the present, Loki, Movious, and Sylvie take Victor timely to OB, and together the two come up with a way to use Victor's throughput, multiplier, to fix the temporal loom.

Hunter B-15 tries to convince General Docs and her allies, along with Brad to help fix this new version of the TVA. But Ravona and Miss Minutes kill docs from the prisoners except for Brad before they can give Hunter B-15 their answer. Timely is kidnapped by Ravona, Miss Minutes, and Brad, leaving the Loki team scrambling. OB reboots the TVA system, which allows Loki and Sylvie to use magic and rescue timely. Unfortunately, Team Loki miscalculates, and timely is killed by temporal radiation in the moment he leaves the blast doors. The temporal loom explodes and episodes ends with the fate of all of our heroes up in the air. And that has been your Midnight Manifest for Loki Episode 4, Heart of the TVA.

All right. Chuck Wagon, what do we like? You know, I was watching, I would say probably the first 75% of this episode. And I was just kind of feeling, man, it's time to shit or get off the pot. Like if I heard Temporal Loom one more time or somebody was going to have to explain some shit, I'd be like, yeah, man, we got to wrap it up. But hey, man, they did a big swim. By the end, the swing was big.

I was just like, okay, all right, this is what we needed. Like, we need a little bit momentum. We needed y'all to, like, get there. And by the end, I was like, okay, all right, you know what? Y'all did, like, the thing that I was waiting for y'all to do. Now, what I want to ask you then, I don't know what's going to happen after what seems like either all of time has been destroyed or at least the TVA. The stakes for next episode are so high.

Like this was like a if you're going to pull this type of card, you got to play it perfectly. Like you really, really do. So I agree with you wholeheartedly on your first point. It seemed like a lot of the episode was just like more of the same. Although I will say that, yeah, but the episode did a really good job of letting the remnants of what I think is a prior phase of the show. which is all the temporal loom talk and all the machinations at the TVA, which, to your point, it did start to grate on me a little bit, but this particular salvo was getting us out of that, I think, and it did a good job of changing the energy, the kinetic energy of the entire show

in the last, I'd say, 20, 30 minutes. That's not to say that I wasn't enjoying what I was watching before, but I was wondering how much of the time babble that I could take before it was going to get on my nerves and when the show was going to become something that was seemingly more about a battle between forces that have their own POVs on how things should go now that he who remains is dead. And it did a good job of doing that. Some characters really changed in this episode. Rens Slayer's character really changed in this episode.

So it moved forward for me. Jomi? This episode I really, really, really liked. I think it's one of the better episodes in like probably all of like the Marvel Disney Plus stuff. Oh, like, I really? No, no, no. No, no.

Stand on it, Jomey. I'm not. Oh, Jomey. I'm not. Why? I'm rocking with it. Like, the cinematography, the acting, like the stakes for really, felt really, really high in this one.

Like, when I re-watched it this morning, and, like, if you notice, a lot of the shots are, like, handheld, like, you're, like, right in front of people's faces. You're, like, so close up. There's a level of intimacy in this episode that I, you got from the jump. And so when you're watching, you know,

you're watching Mobius and Loki argue about the little statue at, you know, that's like a little fun. Oh, like, you know, oh, look at this. We're, you know, they're going through the hallway. it feels really tense and then the ending happens and you're like, oh,

oh snap, oh my gosh, you know. And I'm not even talking about like the spaghetti thing. I'm talking like, you know what I mean? Like that was crazy in the zone and then like the temporal loom explodes. You know what I mean? Like this was a very well

put together 45 minutes of television that I think, you know, honestly like but you know like I'm feeling it again like I'm not back on the I'm not back on the narcotic you know what I'm saying I'm like yeah man the MCU's back man they've they solved it but like this is the kind of stuff we always wanted to get and I'm glad we're getting it right now you know what before we even get into Renslayer was we're going to start our discussion there I have to say we're at the end of the batch of episodes

that the critics got. They got the first four. We all got the first four, too. We didn't watch them. We didn't. We didn't watch them. But we all got the first four, too. Maybe Kermm watched them.

But we didn't want. Whatever, Kerm. We didn't, like, we didn't watch them. Okay. I don't understand what the big criticism was. I get it. I think I get it. Give it to me, Judge.

So I do think that. Like, it was rated a five out of ten by somebody. So five out of ten. Like, that's, You know, I don't understand what the big criticism was. I was expecting to be let down by some of the lukewarm reviews that I got from critics. I don't see it. I, like, I am starting to see it in terms of, I think we're in Rick and Morty territory sometimes with the dialogue in the show in terms of, like, them over explaining a bunch of scientific mumbo-jumbo that means nothing.

and at first I thought it was a joke and maybe it still is. But I do think that if you watch all these episodes and just binge them, even I was starting not to care about the TVA at all. Even this episode for a little bit for me almost felt kind of how I felt last season of Loki before we get to the end of time and with all of the different Loki and he who remains. I think we kind of forget that first season of Loki. It was a little bit up and down some weeks where you just, like, where's the show going?

And I think this, to me, unless you're still on the Marvel train, I think if you're a critic, you're like, okay, they're all fucking dead now. Who cares? I didn't care about them to begin with. Like, I can see that if you're already burnt out on the MCU experience. Because the other thing, if we're going to be real, if they undo this with like, timey, whimey shenanigans of, like, somebody traveled in the past. and we fixed it,

I think a lot of people are going to be let down, and that's my fear with this episode, where is if you're going to essentially do something this cataclysmic, I want it to have ramifications

beyond this series. I want it to actually mean something, not just like, hey, we did something big in episode four, and by episode five and six, it's undone, and it was just shocked at you. But we'll be undone.

No, But there's a way to... Loki didn't die, newsflash. Loki doesn't have to die for this to be worth it. I'm just saying, like, would you be disappointed if the temporal loom exploding and, like, this big shock

does not feel momentous to at least the MCU and what they're doing? If it's just like, hey, we undid it, and now, who cares? Like, we're moving on. I'd be like, see, why fucking... I'm crazy. If I was, running the show, I would fuck it up

because it would be all kinds of crazy stuff. Like if I was doing it, I would have the thing blow up and then all of a sudden out of nowhere, like fucking Captain Britain would jump in the middle of it and it would all hit him and then it would crazy and then Blaine would

run out and then he would throw a knife. And you know, and it would... So I would do all kinds. You can't ask me. Because I'll be sitting down in the writer's room. I'll be like, look, this is a perfect opportunity right now to introduce Galactus. Okay.

So this all blows up. See, it is why. It's crazy. And everybody would be like, man, we can't do that. I would be like, Galactus eats all the energy. And he starts off as a good guy

and then Franklin Richards company. And they'd be like, get out. You know? So, but no, I get what you're saying. Obviously, but that's the, that's a trick that any television show has to weigh, right? Like, John Snow dies. We know he's not dead.

Yeah. Oh, maybe we did. didn't know. No, I knew John to know. I'm just like, come on. I don't know. With Game of Thrones, that was a show where they would just kill a motherfucker. So maybe we didn't know he wasn't dead. But even if he does come back, I think the question that you're asking is fair. The question is, what is his death or his death in quotation marks? What does that mean to the overall narrative of the show? And if it doesn't mean anything, if it's just a trick for a cliffhanger of an episode, then it cheapens it. I do think, at no one has,

seen to five. Nobody had screeners to that point. I do think that in this situation, this was too important an incident, too important happening for it just to be glossed over in a way that it gets minimized in some way. It would be a really strange narrative choice to do that. If they do do that, I think that what you're saying is, um, has a lot of merit. I just don't understand how it would happen. Yeah. I was just like by the end of the episode, I was like, I was taken aback by the choice and I was almost intrigued.

In a good way though. You were taking it back in a good way. In a good way of like, I want to see them land this plane. Because like creatively I'm just like, oh, it kind of blew my mind a little bit where I was just like, okay, you could do anything now.

So I want them to like, to your point, I don't know if I need Galactus coming. But I do need somebody to do some shit in the next episode. I'll put it to you this way. The same way I felt about all the Loki's showing up last season is how I want to feel next episode. I don't need a bunch of Loki showing up, but I want that like wow factor of, oh shit,

this show is way bigger than I thought it was. Because these first four episodes, in retrospect, did feel a little small. And I think it was charming in the first two episodes. And over the last two, I've been like, all right, I'm ready for Loki to be a little bit more adventurous. If you could go anywhere in time, maybe we should. should get out of the DMV. I got not get you. I get you. Jomey.

Renslayer is your big bad here. Okay. So Ravona Rensselaer, we find out that she was number two to, to He Who Remains, right? Goes back to TVA. He's like, Miss Minutes, erase her memories. Turns out she was like his general, right? Like in the war in time, she was the person controlling the armies. So she's like, yo, what are we? I was doing all this for him. It turns out I was actually the person doing all the work. And we see a side of her that we've never seen before, which is really evil.

And she kills a whole bunch of former TV agents. And I mean, first of all, I don't know if y'all saw Miss Minutes during that scene, but she was like really excited about that. She was fucking Miss Minutes is a psychopath. Oh my God, bro. I'm so fucking finished with Ms. Minutes, bro. Miss Minutes was, think about, remember the Pope Fiction scene? We've talked about it too much on this podcast when the one guy is doing the bad thing

and the other guy's like, oh my God, do it, do it. Miss Minnitz was getting all into it. She was, Miss Minnits is a fucking freaky sadist. Insane. Her porn home history has to be crazy. It's nuts. She's on some 8 millimeter type shit. What's going on with Miss Minnitz, man?

I don't know what any of that means. and I'm going to keep it that way. You never saw 8 millimeter before? I don't know what that. I don't even know what you got to talking about. Wait, y'all never. Has anybody on this has seen 8 millimeter? No.

No. 8 millimeter, Nicholas Cage, Waukeen Phoenix. It's about snuff films, the whole nine. We did it on the rewatchables. Me and Bill, they have the guy in it called the machine, and he's like a, anyway, whatever. Eight millimeter. Miss Minnis is into that. That's the type she's into.

But anyway, you know me, yeah, I picked up on that. to. Yeah. And but but we we see Rensselaer in a different line. It's like, oh, no, she's not just somebody who's going to like sit here and like take orders and be like, oh, what does the TVA mean for me? She was like, nah, it's my turn now. I want the TVA to do what I got to do.

And all y'all, if you're not with me, you could die in a small box. And I was like, yo, that's, hey, that's like very different, but also like we learned like it's in character for her. Like she is not somebody's going to let stuff slide. She is a killer. She is a general. She is not messing with these people,

these folks. And so it's interesting to see her and the dichotomy between B-15. Because B-15 is like, hey, guys, come in. Like, we all love the TVA. Let's work together to, you know, to save it. And she's like, you know what I'm saying? I'll keep it all alive. y'all just, you know, fight for me versus Ravona's like, hey, man, you're not with me, you can die.

You know what I mean? It's interesting, and I really like the juxtaposition of those two scenes. But at the same time, like, Ravona stepped up, man, like, you know, now she's like a big bad now. Would Rinslayer have killed all those TVA agents if she wouldn't have seen her past or her future, whatever we are now? as Kings or He Remains his second. Was she emboldened and radicalized by the fact that she had led an army that won a multiversal war? Is that who she is at her core?

Is that her realizing the past or maybe future now that she's going to have? Does she even remember all of that yet? Of course, doesn't. She doesn't. But at the same time, I think it was kind of a junk for the character that she would kill those people in cold blood like that.

And perhaps the fact that she had such a lofty perch in his operation before then has informed her about who she is in a different way than we've seen her before. Exactly. I think maybe she didn't think that she was a warrior or a general or anything like that before. She thought herself a judge in the TVA and maybe the realization of that makes her go, I've killed before. And if I have to kill right now, it's fine. Exactly, right.

Her whole thing was in service of He Who Remains When you find out like, oh, I don't need that dude Like I'm already like this big bad I can do it myself She takes on like you know the persona She takes on the mantel she's like all right bit Y'all can kick rocks I mean she was also dumped by

A variant of the same man twice Within two episodes that would radicalize anyone Would it be What? It was Little Saji How is that for Sajit? Oh, wait Did you say, wait, did you say Radiclaus anyone or any woman?

I said anyone. Oh, I thought you, I thought you was getting to the Sajji. Sajaj. Don't get me in trouble. I thought you was getting to the Sassi, Saji. In problematic, land right now, would it be problematic if Ravona after like the second time she realized it like, damn, fucking King has like fucked me over twice? If she turned to Miss Minutes and was just like, man, black men ain't shit.

could Miss Minutes say that back? Like, or would it be problematic? I think Ms. Minnis is white. I don't think Miss Minutes can say that, man. I'm not accepting that from Miss Minutes. Miss Minutes. But she was made by King. I don't matter.

Miss Minutes sound like Christian Chinoweth. Like, I'm not, I'm not accepting that from Miss Minutes, man. Miss Minutes, King, she's not allowed. She's not in the culture. At best, she's orange. She can't. I think she's white skin. I honestly think she's lights me.

I don't think she is, bro. I don't, I don't think she's minutes. No, I don't think she is. You think that that Ravona is mad because maybe Kane took her to the cheesecake factor. Well, look, took her to chilies, apple bees. He essentially did. I mean, that's the, but he erased her memory. It was all cold about it.

She saw that. Now she's like, fuck it. What is her? her motivation though. Ritz Slayer became obviously the villain of the show. You're obviously the villain of the show if you squeeze people to death in a box and then you watch it, right? What is her motivation right now, Charles? What is... I don't know. Like, I'm actually, like, I'm not even being like an asshole about it. I was wondering that while I was watching the episode because she's not in a lead, but I guess I'm confused. What does she think of the TVA? Why

does she want to lead it anymore? This is something that was an invention of he who remains. What is her emotional connection to it anymore? And I guess you could say that is the question of the season, because that's something Mobius and B-15 and all of them are having to fight over. But I was still wondering by the end of this episode, I'm like, why is she going to such lengths to lead the TVA over Team Loki? like she's not going to gain anything really except

power over the sacred timeline maybe but there's a bunch of Kangs out there so they're all coming no matter what yeah I like this turn for her though yeah I was wondering what they were going to yeah I was wondering what they were going to do with the character to make the character consequential to the season of television and they did it they did it I mean

once you ratchet up the intensity and the stakes the character becomes she's in inherently compelling now because she's super dangerous. So can I ask you this? Another character that I was wondering, like, what is her purpose this season, especially after this episode, was Sylvie. Sylvie is a character that I felt like in last season

had so much purpose, and she had so much driving her. And this was an episode where I was still a little murky on what does Sylvie really want? And is it kind of getting lost in just the fact that there's just so many more characters to serve right now. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Trimphia offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start.

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you think she should be bid on a two-way. Right? like, hey, spend some time in the G League, we'll bring you back up when you need you. I just think, like, it's, you're definitely, you're not, like, wrong and, like, you know, the way they're using her is not as good as it was last season. But I do think there's a purpose there

because we have the argument between her and Mobius in the, like, near the elevator, where she's like, look, there's a billion timelines. Like, I found a home on one, which I love, which I am fighting now to keep, right? you don't know where you're from. You have no interest of finding out where you're from, and you're spending all your time here,

lolly gagging around, wanting to get high. Meanwhile, there are trillions and billions of people who have died and will die, and my timeline is on the line. I think her role in this season is to, you know, ground the, not ground the... Her role in the season is, I think, to, give perspective to the characters because for the most part they're just like oh we got to

protect the timelines we got to do this but they don't live there they don't have any like if they fails oh tough we're still on the tv a right for her it's personal i have a life i got like people i care about i've got like a home i got a for a truck yeah she did it she did it and she said she did it and again and again her and loki you have that some of conversations was like tough right that was kind of dumb yeah you kind of touch over that you kind of situation, but at the end of the day, like, her, Loki's argument is an argument between how much free will is free. Like, what does it mean?

Loki is a god, and he's part of a royal family. I mean, she was as well, but she was taken out of that when she was a kid, so he's used to ruling, and he's used to setting standards and being a beacon or an elite for people, not just on Asgard, but the people that worship them on earth. So he's saying, yeah, things have to be this way, but at the same time, somebody has to occupy the chair and make the decisions.

And she's an anarchist in that way. She's a free speech absolutist. She's the Alex Jones of goddamn Loki season two. Is she peddling rattle pills for people? I mean, I'm going to be honest, leaving that argument Loki was looking a little evil

he was looking a little fashy I don't know what I mean I think he got to barter up a little bit you know what I mean interesting she's like

half this debate I'm stepping out I hope we do this I hope we do that but here's a thing what I thought made it so fascinating is that

the thing that has essentially guided Loki and pushed him throughout the entire narrative the MCU is his belief that he should be an absolute ruler.

And it's something that I think is so interesting because so much of his character development has been, can I belong to a team? Can I belong to a cause that is bigger than myself? Can I think of other people like my family and my friends before myself? And in this argument, Loki is reverting to his old ways. He is like, I'm a God, so therefore, it's my,

like, it is my person. in life to basically say free will is cool y'all but there's parameters to it which I think Sylvie is absolutely like when you start saying that you get a version of the TVA that's just pruning timelines and committing

genocide and not giving the fuck about it but it's the opposite right it's the opposite he wants to keep all these timelines you know safe from whoever would love to destroy them and at this present time Luma is destroying all of time is a mess, right?

And if the throughput multiplier works, then they can expand the rings and everybody, you know, can go back to the timeline Ligit displayed and be happy. But somebody has to be in charge, right? And somebody has to, you know, like you said, hold the chair. And she's like that, you know,

sounds like something that like, that's power for dogs. Can't be a democracy? He's like, bruh. Well, why can't the BBA be a democracy? Why is it got to be wrong? rule by one man. Look, it's stuff in these streets, you know what I'm saying? Look, I mean, even a democracy, you have a president. Right. But here's the thing, Jomey, that's what every single

war is shit, all the tragedies of fucking human society have been started by like men being like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, it's just, it's just a little temporary power. You know, we're giving it back. It's not going to be like this forever. I'm only going to be a little bit of a totalitarian right now. It's like, once everything's fixed up, like, it'll go back to normal. Like, no, like, Loki was sounding rough. I don't know, man. when you're like, hey, man, it's like, hey, we need, you know what I'm saying? They needed a God to do it. He is a God.

Let's roll, baby. You know what I mean? I don't think it was, like, evil or anything. I just like, it's like a confidence thing. Like, yeah, you need a God. I am a God. Let's get it cracking. Let's go.

If you're like, yo, we need a go. And LeBron was like, yo, I'm here. Let's get it. You're going to be like, man, he's talking crazy. You'd be like, yeah, that's what do you do. It did kind of sound like we are gods. therefore we can make unilateral decisions that affect billions and trillions of people's lives.

They did come off a little bit like that. I mean, Loki does believe that, though. I still think there is a little bit of him. Do you think he still believes that? No. I think that is, I think he has grown as a character, but I think the thing about Loki is, he's an egotistical monster.

He does think that he is generally the smartest person in the room. What has stopped that is his friendships and his, honestly connections to people like Moby's and Sylvie where he's running up against people who are challenging on that but I do think at his core

Loki thinks he's the smartest person in the room and should be able to make decisions that affect all of time why else would he be doing all this shit? He tried to conquer the earth not too long ago so he probably has a little bit more work to do on himself before he doesn't believe

that he should be sitting in judgment and reigning over scores of people. However, I do think that is essentially what the show is about. All of these things are devices to chronicle the journey of Loki as a character. And there's another thing. Sylvie pushes Loki. She's the part of Loki that's pulling him back to some sort of moral center. Although right now, the show is asking this real question between security and safety.

that we ask all the time, is it better to be secure with some sort of ruling autocracy or is it better to be free and have a very uncertain, unsure future? And like, what's the in between? What does the TVA mean in that situation? What does Loki and Sylvia's God's mean in that situation?

Would things be better off if Renslayer and everybody else reestablished a sacred timeline. Like, would Rinslayer and all the rest of these people even want the memories that they got wiped? Would they even want them? Would they be the same people right now if they knew everything? We ask ourselves those questions as people every single day. Like, what if we knew everything that was going on and knew everything that these governments had done and knew all of that stuff? Would we even be the same people?

Who are we? What do we know? So can I make a prediction? Like if I'm just like this is where the show is going to end. Right. I do think the show, to your point, then, what you're talking about is, it is leading us to a point where Mobius, to be a better member of the TVA, needs his memories.

He needs to go back to his timeline and have a life. I think a lot of this show is interrogating what part of the TVAs humanity was taken away from them when you take away their past, when you take away all of their memories, essentially. And I do think the show has to end at a point where for the TVA to keep functioning, you need people who look at when millions of timelines are pruned,

they feel something for that. And for them to feel any of those emotions, they would have to live a real life. Because, like, they don't have, right now, none of them really have any moral center if we're being real or it's not as tangible because they're not like Brad. They didn't live a life.

They don't have connections. They forgot their family. What are they fighting for? They're just fighting because they're told. That's why Sylvie's important. She has those connections to a timeline. So she's playing that kind of role. But you're right.

The rest of them don't really have that. You know, Mobius doesn't have that. You know, and so I think going forward, baby, and this is what I thought immediately after the screen turned to black, I'm like, oh, man, they probably reset him back to his original timeline. I like that. So, like, now he's forced to confront that. I think next week is going to be, I hope, I really hope next week is like, oh, since 11,

like the first, like 30 minutes when they get in the game back together, you know what I mean? Where, like, somebody puts it all together, like, oh, we got to go back and help the TVA, whatever. And there's hopping from timeline to timeline. So Moby's going back to its original timeline, you're saying. Exactly. right and I think that's going to be important for him like the growth of his character because he does not he like you said in like what episode one episode two I don't want to go back and know what's going on over there because what if it's good what if life was great and somebody took me plucked me from there and laid me and had me serve this life of servitude right like he's so terrified of what's on the other side and so him confronting that I think would be a good step for the show going forward let's address it's a good prediction Jummy I mean he's an explain to it Let's address the Kang problem here.

Because let's face it, Kang is a bitch-ass nigger. Yes. Yeah. It's okay. Look, here's the thing. When I say bitch-ass nigger, first of all,

there are a lot of people that listen to this that get uncomfortable. They're like vans using the N-word again. Fuck it. I'm from Louisiana. I was born in 1980. I used to dance, and my grandfather used to be like,

look at that little nigger go. And he loved me more than anybody. So I say the word sometimes. I'm sorry. I wish I could be better. I'm not. It's one of those things. things.

Okay? Just look, look, you see what this is behind me right now? That's a proclamation from the California State Senate.

It's stacked on a stack of basketballs. I don't have any type of decorum. I don't know. Why are you playing your use of niggott? Just keep going,

man. Stand on your niggatory, man. You don't got to tell nobody why you can say niggott. If there was, so glad, Steve.

Steven is here right now. Steve is here right now. Steve would be really in hell right now. Honestly, it'd be so funny if Steve listens to this episode after it comes out and he just puts up like the Black Power Fist, like solidarity. You never know with Steve. Steve is unpredictable, guys. Like, I could see Steve right now.

Like, Steve could be either Antifa or January 6th. You never know. No, I don't do Steve like that. I'm just joking. All right. One more. I just got to get one more. Like, I was going to tell Steve to his face, but he's not here.

You want to know who Steve kind of looks like low-key, and it was distracting me, like, like, all week. Who? He kind of looks like, fucking Spider-Man. He looks exactly like him. He looks exactly like him. No, he looks exactly like him. Oh, bro, he looks just like him, bro.

He looks just like him. He does, Joe. Bro, bro. Colica came into the thing, and I swear, bro. Colica came into the thing, and I'm playing it. And Kalika doesn't understand the game. She thinks that the game is some kind of like, like Spider-Man role-playing game.

Because every time she comes in, I'm riding bikes. Or I'm at the fair. You know what I'm saying? She's like, what is this? Wait, does she think that you designed someone who looked exactly like Steve? And then she comes in and she goes, and she sees me. She's like, who is that right there? She's like, is that Steve?

I was like, I promise you. She's like, is that Steve? And I'm like, no, that's, I'm like, that's Peter Parker. She's like, oh, wow. That looks like Steve. And I'm like, and oddly enough, Steve looks like Steve. I mean, Peter looks like Steve. And then Harry kind of looks like Steve. Harry does not look like Steve. I feel like Harry looks. But the thing is like I see Peter Parker. I'm like, that's why

Austin Reeves, that's a down because he out there swinging in New York. He does look like Austin Reeves. He looks like Austin Reeves. Steve don't look nothing like Austin Reeves. It be. A little bit. Would you watch a Spider-Man movie if Kevin Feud was like, we're recasting Peter Parker is Austin Reed. Like, would you watch? That would be so dope.

I'll be there front row, but can you imagine what? Can you imagine a 6-5 Spider-Man? It'd be so late. It'd be so fucking funny. Hey, you know who's playing Gwen Stacy? Taylor Swift, let's get it, man. Let's go. Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go, bro. Travis Kelsey has Venom? Come on. Lock it in. Bring the money now, man. Bro, Travis Kelsey is Venom. Bro, like the whole,

that's a winning combination right there, bro. Are you, come on now. That's cinema right there. Wait, $3 billion at the box office. Who would Mawsby in this? Mm, that's a good question.

Max Christie. Oh, Jesus Christ. This is called Max Christie. That's crazy, bro. LeBron James is J. Jonah Jameson. Stop. You. He, bro, think about it.

He kind of, he got the gray on the sides now. Yeah. He kind of, he, the Jay Jonah Jameson. He just lies. He just lies about everything. You know what I mean? Jay Jones. He already lies.

LeBron lies about it. Wait, did you all see Rich Ball say that he's as good of a shooter as Steph Curry? That's hilarious, bro. We've had enough Rich Paul. That's enough. That'll do, pig. We've had enough. That was their lie.

We've had a rich, rich. Listen, look. So proud of you, Rich. Rich, I'm proud of you. That'll do. He would, he would have dealt right now. And nothing you can tell him. That's enough, Rich.

And nothing you can tell him. Rich. No, that's the problem. He's out of the Dell. And I think it's just like, nobody sat him down. Be like, yeah, relax. Rich. I'm happy.

I'm so proud. You're doing so much. You're blazing a trail. That's enough. Take a seat. Come here. Come here, brother. Come here.

Let me, let me hollet you real quick. Let me hollash you real quick. That's, that's, it'll, that's that clip of Andre Godala, again, Andrew Wiggins. That's the clip. That's the clip. That's the clip. Rich, come over here. You know, you know, like when you was on the high school basketball team and you did

something wrong and the coach was, and all your hair was, and you knew it was something. Like, you knew it. You look, you look to the bitch and it's like, my coach used to be like, get, like, like, like, somebody. You come in it. That's the response. Come on, Rich. How many lies do you think he's told Adele?

Like, could Adele even know? Is she just like, yeah, yeah, sure. Adele looked like one of them type of women that could, like, see through your lies. Yeah. Because you listen to the songs. Like, I don't think you could really lie to Adele. Oh, I mean, when she did get that haircut, I was just like, you've been raised around. Yeah, she didn't be with too many niggas.

She was, Adele was just biding her time until she could, like, drink some chocolate milk. She was just, you know, she was. Oh, God. Because if you, hold on. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, seriously, last thing I said, last thing I say, just real quick, just real quick, just real quick. Hold on, I want you to listen. I want you to listen.

I want you to listen. Adele came out, right? And if she had came out and she'd have been with the grind boys from the beginning, she wouldn't have been accepted. She was, they wouldn't have accepted her. They wouldn't have accepted Adele if she had came out and from the beginning, it had been like, all that, skepta, skeptical, all that, skeptical, cardinal, office shawl and all of that stuff, They wouldn't have accepted her. What she did was she did 10 years or like seven years in a vanilla maximum security prison.

And now she's out. She escaped. And the first thing she did, you can't tell me I'm wrong about this. The first thing Adele did was put on the Jamaican flag and go to the Notting Hill Carnival and was just announce it to everyone. I'm here, guys. She ain't never going back. Get a whole shit. That's a rough picture.

Yeah, that's rough. She's not fucking, it's not tough. She's doing her thing. That's how she grew up with, she's hanging out with them. She was like, let me know. Let's whine something. So you're telling for a white woman soul singer from Britain, you need like at least three diamond albums before you could be like, all right,

y'all can't tell me shit now. If you want to go pop, man, you can't start off with the Rockefeller remix. You got to just straight up. You got to do the fire and the rain. and you got to do all of those songs first, one, two, three, four, five. You got all that stuff. You got to do all of that stuff.

You know what I mean? You got to do that for a while. Taylor Swift ain't out the woods yet. Two years from now, it could be Taylor Swift and Little Uzi Verk. You never know. You know what I'm saying? Dog, don't wish that off of a society, bro.

Uzi would be, that would be the couple of the century. Okay, we got to get back. We got to get back. Damn. Let's talk about Victor Tommy. Talk about King. That was the whole point of this. The whole point of this is King has now died

in three different ways in Marble. He was killed by ants. This is a King Barrens. That's true. First of all, he did not get killed by ants. Let's let's be, again, let's fact check this real time. He did get got by some ants early in the movie, but then he had to fight with our homeboy, Scott,

and he sabotaged the quantum thing, and he sucked him into the quantum thing. All right, we're going to be real. Like, enough time to die. Whoa, whoa, whoa, Joe, Jummy, he did what? Hey, yo. What does Scott do? He got.

Say what you just, Jobby. No, no, no, no, no, no. Say what you know. Say what you said. Joe. What did Scott do? It's okay? Kay got sucked up.

That's not. Whoa. Wow. Yeah, Jomey. That's a lot of fun, Jomey. I don't know what else to call it. You got slumped up? Like, what am I supposed to say, bro?

You know that's worse. You know that's worse. I don't like what else do you want to say. It's interesting. It's interesting. That's all I'm saying. But look. So to your point, you're right.

The ants fucked him up. But then he had a one-on-one battle with Scott Lang, who is, of course, one of the most mighty Avengers that we have. He lost. He was then killed by Sylvie, stabbed. Although, I will say, that's kind of an Obi-Wan Kenobi-Nobie situation. where he really gave himself up, you know, like Obi-Wan did in New Hope. It's not like he was trying.

If he was trying to, he probably could have fucked over Sylvie and him. He had a lot of technology and stuff. And now he's been spaghetti-ized. There are a lot of people out there that are talking about the portrayal of this villain and wondering when this sinister and overarching sort of peril of how powerful he is will begin to be demonstrated by the writers over there at Marvel. Now, there's two ways to look at that. There's one, every single variant of Kane that we see has gotten fucked over,

except for the variants that we saw in the Council of Cains and Immortas and Ramatut. And I guess that was Iron Lad. That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that essentially all of the peril that's happening here is due to Kang. So, Kang, more than being one person represented by a variant, is really an idea that is unkillable. and has set these sort of circumstances that are unconquerable. And he's a conqueror.

So in both ways, he's sort of an easy foil to get rid of on any one show and then impossible to get rid of because he's everywhere. But it doesn't seem like people are able to take that bigger picture of view of it. Charles, what do you think? I think that this is like the trouble you get into. when there's time travel and you have this type of villain because the Avengers kind of have a lot of these villains. I would say Ultron in the comics is a very similar type of character where it's like, we beat Ultron and then six issues later. It's like, Psych, Ultron 2.0 is here. And I've always

kind of bounced off of that because especially if you're going to do it in TV and movies, it's hard to emotionally feel for a character or even see where they're coming from when essentially they get killed off after every single time they appear. The thing about Thanos that gave him that gharapitas was that he was a force of nature

that you couldn't kill him because he could fuck the Hulk up. Kang's problem being you can't kill him because he'll always come back is a little more difficult because how do you connect with the character when you have to be reintroduced to him every single time?

Because we've gotten like three, I'll put it to you this way. We've gotten three main Kangs that have been on screen for more than five minutes. Do you care about any of them right now, Van? Like after they died, did you really give a fuck about any single one? No, because we haven't been allowed

to spend enough time with them. We've actually had Kane to Conqueror as Kane to Conqueror, but we knew that it really wasn't, it really wasn't him. It's hard to tell the story. It's difficult to tell the story. I'm interested in it because I have so much equity built in from years and years of seeing him pop up through the comic books.

You never know who is going to be King, who's going to be revealed to be King. Kang is, like I said, he's more conceptual than he is one person. Time is very, very difficult to explain in the situation. that they're using it for the storytelling purposes here. So in the way that they're using this, shit I say. So I understand because of everything that I've read before this, but I think it's completely okay and understandable if a lot of people don't get what the fuck

the big deal about this guy is. If they don't understand it right now, if they're not fully in on what all of this means, it's hard to explain. Now, thankfully they have some years to kind of name, it down and hopefully there's a North Star that's guiding them to be able to get to a narrative that most casual viewers can can connect with. But right now, sure, that's probably some, okay, well, this guy is not going to be, this guy got turned to spaghetti and this guy got killed

and what's the next variant that's coming? Is there what, what, what, what, what, what, who, how, all of that? It is a little bit cumbersome. Is there, is there a backstory from the comics that you can think of that would give you that type of emotional feeling for King in terms of either knowing what he's fighting for or at least getting, understanding why he's going about

what he's going about. Because if we're real, like Thanos by Infinity War, you don't have to agree with Thanos to at least understand what he is getting at. You understand him wanting to get rid of half of the living organisms in the universe to give some sense of order

because he thinks there's too much. Like, I can understand that. I could not explain to you in a sentence what King wants. So there's some required reading for people here if you want to understand. And I'm assuming that a lot of our listeners have read this,

but if you haven't, there's a perfect, a perfect story, a perfect run about who King is, why King is what King is doing. And that is King to conquer number one from August 2021. Look, that's a new one. I thought you were going to go back into the world.

No, no, no, no, no. Kang's entire, his entire origin was streamlined by Marvel like a couple of years ago. And it's only five issues. It's from August and December 2021. I read it in preparation. I read a little bit of it during the pandemic just because, you know, it was coming out and there was really nothing else to do. the later part of the pandemic, the

2021 part of the pandemic. What was the end of the pandemic? When did it stop? When can we stop saying? It hasn't really stopped for being honest. Right, right. But I read a little bit of it during that time. It was like right after Two Distranges Zone that I was getting back into to reading comics again.

But that really streamlined Kang, what he wants, the entire history of Kang, like the origin of Kang, how future King connects with past King, Iron Lad, all of that stuff. Five issue run. If you want to get buttoned up on who Kang is and all of that stuff, read those five.

I think it's on Comicsology and that'll be that. That story, in my opinion, at some point, has to be told in that same streamlined fashion for people now to understand the character. I'm just wondering how they're going to do it. Obviously, you can't do that. You don't think it would be the Avengers movie, how like people say if in infinity war

is basically a Thanos movie do you think the Avengers movie has to basically be an origin story for him? You mean the King Dynasty one? Yeah, the King dynasty. Like do you think for us to care about King he needs to get

that level of treatment of like, all right, we're explaining it finally? I think they need to do it before then. Where would they do it? I don't know. I'm honest. I'm being honest. I think they need to do it before then. I think it needs to happen before then. I can't think of the property where you would do it.

You shouldn't do it in Fantastic Four. Probably shouldn't do an Ant Man, right? I mean, me, they kind of did do it in Ant Man a little bit. They started to like, I mean, they got, he was already fully formed so that we didn't really get to see like where exactly he's coming from. But look, like he told us, but I didn't, like, we didn't see it, which is my thing, where there's a part of me that's like, I need to kind of see more of Kang, doing his shit versus

Ant Man really we're going to be real the whole Antman of it all fucked it up where I could not take King the Conqueror seriously because Ant Man was giving him trouble Well I mean look for me Once again it's a lot less about One specific iteration of Kang

Than it is about understanding How dangerous Kang is And how his kingdom threatens the freedom Of everyone in the multiverse that's kind of the thing for me. So, and right now, it's difficult to connect the character so it's hard to see. And every property is about itself, right? So Loki is about the TVA and how it relates to time.

And then Quantumania is about Ant Man and his family, the Quantum Realm and all of that. Everything is about itself. And so it was a lot easier to do it with Thanos because it was simpler. And so they're going to have to figure out how to tell this. complex story in a really simple way. Victor Timely was not a home run in this show for me. And I don't know if we'll get more Victor Timely or Victor Timely's time is over. Who knows?

But he wasn't a home run for me. It was cool. I got used to it. But it wasn't like it did very much for the show, I could say about Victor Timely. It was almost cooler to watch him die than watch anything that he did while he was on screen, honestly. I was going to ask, either of you. Joe, me, I'll ask you this. Does Jonathan Majors Kang being in a TV show this much make the character feel smaller in terms of not a cinematic?

Like, that's because you're only seeing him in movie theaters. When you see him, even when it's for five seconds, like, oh, shit, he's coming. Versus now the more and more I see of Jonathan Majors, the less and less I'm like, oh, this is a movie villain. I'm just like, oh, this is kind of... Well, no, I mean, the Loki deals with the multiverse. So, like, it'd be kind of irresponsible to not have him in the show. I mean, as much, maybe you have a point there. But, again, like, he's not, they don't call him Kang in the show.

They never call him Kang. They never refer to him to his Kang. That's the thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, we know. And maybe that's the problem, right? It's like, we know, but the show, the show at no point is like, this guy is Kang.

It's always he remains or Richard Time. There's some variant of Kang. but never actually Kang, right? And so even though in Ant Man and Quantumania, like, we see, like, a version of, we see like a version of King.

Is that, like, the Kang, we're going to see Fight the Avengers? You know, having to be reintroduced to a character, like, to Van's point, it's kind of like, all right, cool. Like, we kind of know this guy, but we don't. Like, are we supposed to care about him? You know what I mean? For Thanos, we saw him in bits and

pieces across, you know, what, like five, six years before we actually met him, right? And so it builds like a mystique. It builds an aura around him. Like, ooh, this guy's mysteriously scary. We don't really know about him, but we do know he's terrifying versus, yeah, like, we're, I don't want to say inundated, but we're very much like, here's, here's, here's Victor Darnely, here she remains. You know what I mean?

Like, it's a lot. in well we say it's a lot it's only only been three episodes of of television now but it's been season one of loki quantum mania in this it's a lot of for our character that we're like oh we're still not at the end we're still what midway through his story i i i can understand i can think for me i guess the thing is is that we're gonna like we again we have to re-meat this character it's not the same person we meet every single time it's jonathan major's doing another accent doing another a bit, you know what I mean? And it's like, oh, cool, this King's different from the other Kings

and some type of way, but it's, it's different, but it's not the same, but it's different. And it's just like, it's not as engaging is what it is. I'll put it. My last point. This is my last point on King and I'll get off this. I now think the Avengers got him. Like before this, I was just like, dog, fucking Captain Falcon, Captain Falcon. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

What? Respect King. Dog. Now, now, now, like, He's got got so many times. I really think Captain Falcon, Captain Marvel, and the rest of them, and Sherry will have that much. Have some shame. That's no shot. Ant Man alone. Ant Man alone is giving you trouble.

Come on. Well, hold on. Ant Man had a whole bunch of Wops. Right. Insects, bro. Mofdock. And what's his name? And the Wasp and Janet and Hank.

You know what I'm saying? Frankly, I think Hank could watch these new Avengers, brother. You know what I'm saying? with him and his aunts, dog. I don't trust those dudes, all right? They could, like, I don't know, man. I don't think they could beat, like, a D1 college team. You know what I mean?

Like, it's really grim out there. I don't trust them, but the rock in the clutch moments. Vin, do you think the Avengers got it? After what you seen from King? Not really. Really? Yeah, I mean, I mean, look, maybe. It depends on who our Avengers are.

We got to do a special podcast. on the current Avengers roster. And we'd really do. We have to talk, we have to just talk all Avengers right now because, you know, I'm not even sure who's on the team. I don't even know who's going to stick around.

Like, is Captain Marvel even, is Brie Larson even going to want to chill for much longer? You know what I mean? A 13 seat in the East, brothers. That's what we're looking at. It's bad. But look,

I will say this. As a television show right now, Loki Season 2 is really working for me, and I'll say something that is unpopular, guys. Through four episodes, I'm enjoying Loki Season 2 as much, if not more, than I enjoyed Loki Season 1. All right. Stop the cap, bro. I'm serious.

Stop the cap, bro. Like, to me, for a lot of viewers out there, I think that this show for season 2 might be a little bit more accessible to people. I really do think that it is. Now, why are we just lying now? I'm not lying. No, that's tough. That's a little tight.

That's a little, it's close. Close. It's not even close. And I don't know. I'm enjoying the season for what it is. It's not close, guys. Come on. Like, we know how the streets were rocking with that first season.

It's grim out. Nah, it would, no, no, no. It was going good, but it didn't get crazy until the episode six. Let's be, let's be honest. It was cool. we was rocking with it. It was like, okay, we see the vision. Hey, this is great.

All right, cool. And it wasn't until he and May showed up that we were like, yo, this is gas. This is what we're talking about. I remember how people were going off on alligator Loki and President Loki. Yeah. And like, love is a dagger and all of that stuff. Yeah. Y'all was, y'all.

And my thing is, y'all was kind of doing too much. Yeah. Y'all was kind of doing too much. Whoa. Whoa. You're admitting that the fucking MCU stands were doing. a little too much, man? Yeah. Oh, all right.

Welcome to the club. Might have been a little too much. Like, love is a dagger. What does love as a dagger mean? I don't fucking care. It was good in this episode. I want to say something. One of my favorite parts of this episode,

one of my favorite parts was when they had to reboot the TVA and Miss Minutes like, she got sinister again. It's like, you'll never be him in the whole nine. That was crazy. That was something. Yeah, it's very upsetting.

Very upsetting. It actually does make me think she's a black lady. But you ain't never going to. I'm just joking. Hey, sisters. It's a joke. Can we play? If we can't play, then we don't really love each other.

That's all I'm saying. Don't, I don't wrote me into this shit. If we can't play. I love y'all. If we can't play, then we don't really love each other. I'm just saying, y'all keep a nigger on his toes. You think you can really do that? Y'all do. Y'all keep a nigger. They keep on.

Okay. But when Orboro says, hey, we're going to have to reboot the TVA and some systems will stop working. And that means the dampeners that we place on people inside the TVA that stop them from being able to use magic will go away. And they go, yes. Because it was cool to see just how fucking easy a lot of, of this stuff would be for Loki and Sylvie if they could use their magic. And it makes you remember that Loki for this entire show, the vast majority of the run in this show

has been depowered. And that's a very central tenet to the storytelling here is that this is not quite Loki that we're watching. We're watching, and everyone in this show, they're not quite themselves. The people in the TV,

they're not really who they are because they don't have their memories. Right, Victor Tomley's not really King. He who remains is not really King. Sylvie is Loki, but she's not really Loki. And then Loki isn't really Loki.

So the search for narrative truth and the truth of the characters in the show is kind of this thing that it's been walking for a long time, which makes it quirky and interesting. And I personally feel like there's a little bit more of that in this season to me than there wasn't the last season. I think it's

easier to kind of grasp onto it, you know? Okay. I can argue. I have a few questions. These are just like, Jomi, explainer, maybe you can help me with these. First question, if the TVA can make it so that no magic can be performed in the TVA, shouldn't they be able to do that with the pruning sticks? Because I was wondering, I was like, they just like, anybody can pick up a pruning stick and use it in the TVA. And I'm like, isn't this a little dangerous? Shouldn't there be a little bit more like pruned stick safety? You prune people in TVA, right?

That's where, you know, you bring them, question them, and then you go, great. Thanks for coming out. We'll send you to the end of time. I think that's like the plan. So there's no really like protection for that really. Like it's kind of where it happens the most honestly is the TV. No, but they don't have, they should have certain like corner areas. but we're like we're doing our pruning here

because if you could just, I was just thinking this entire episode, I'm just like, they just prune them motherfuckers left and right. Your best friend if he gets mad at you can turn around and just prune you. But again, like we thought of like murder, right? So like again you'd be like, you know, like stabbing somebody. You know what I mean? Like you premeditated. You wouldn't just like

accidentally or just like, you know, if you were trying to prove somebody you really had to mean it. You know what I'm saying? So I don't know. What if the pruning stick falls and it accidentally prunes you? Like it just turns You know what I'm saying? Like it's like a drops, it discharges. Like a vacuum?

Like a Roomba? Just like, oh no. Next question. Next question. So I also wanted to know this. Why couldn't they reboot the system at the beginning of the season? I feel like that's a,

oh, well, it's a good point. It's good. Well, Miss Minutes gets in. Then they're like, yo, reboot it. But then like, again, it takes down all the dampeters and stuff.

So I think it's like a very like last minute, last resort you know i mean like you have one peanut butter sandwich left in the fridge but you're saving that for like the perfect time and now it's like that time to eat that peanut butter sandwich and then i was in the fridge to eat you down your last dollar it's time you got open there you got to eat the peanut butter butter sandwich just like that it's like a last minute resort that they had to they had to do right there i think i think what's interesting about this episode and something that uh was pretty cool is so Like, we don't, like, know what, Oroboros, like, the meaning of his name. It's like a snake eating its own tail, right? And it represents, you know, like a cycle, death and rebirth, like, eternity, basically, right? And we, like, we see Victor Tommy come in and Orr Boris, and they have this conversation. Orr Boros is like, or Rick Times is like, yo, I'm a huge fan. Everything I learned about the loom, everything I learned about time, I learned from you.

And Orbrook's are like, that's crazy because I don't know. learn about it from some dude 19th century renter called Victor Timling. It's like, whoa. You know what I mean? It's the cycle. You know, they're bringing it and bringing it together. Victor

learns from Orrboros or Boers learns from Victor. It's like a circle of life. Kind of like an Orboros which is named after. Jomey, what the fuck are you talking about? Jomey's Science Corner? I am so here for it. Like, Joe, it's really

It's like the circle of life. Jomi, Jomi just went to the Lion King and stuff like that. It's true. That's kind of like, you know, that's kind of the meaning. It's like it's a full circle moment,

like literally like an oral boris. Right. And that's kind of, honestly, that's kind of how everything in the show is. It's like, is Victor timely, the past,

is the future, is whatever, it's all of that stuff, right? Because if we started getting into the whole Rama Tutt situation, then he's the, I don't know,

it's just weird. I mean, the one thing that, doesn't like there's a lot of things that annoy me but they're always like when they're in the TVA they're like we're running out of time and I'm like y'all are the TVA time should it mean shit to you time time like it flows for fucking us they're running out of time in in relation to something about to blow up and I guess that's still going to happen you know so like when the temporal loom is about to explode time doesn't work the same way it works in the TVA but if you take a step forward

in the TVA probably still takes 0.5 seconds if you throw a pencil up And it's about the fall. You're thinking about time linearly. Oh, I don't want to do it. You're in the TV. I can't think about it from a way of it. You got to, you're thinking about it like, you know, like it's a line, right? You got to think about it like it's around.

That's why clocks are round. You see? You got a key, stay woke. Okay. That's it. Wait, wait, one more thing. One more thing. God, and I really, it is good.

It is good. So they're doing like the little model seed. And that bit between Loki and Mobius where they're talking about the miniature. and he's like, that's you. He's like, but how does that meet? And it's not like, it's not a,

it's very unsirious conversation, but I love that because it shows like their growth, like, as friends. Because that's the type of stuff you have to conversation with your homies, like yo, bro's,

where you'd be like, hey, man, that's you. It's like, that's not me. Despite the fact it looked nothing like you and has no, like, you know,

resemblance to you whatsoever. So much, like, yeah, that's you, but like, no, that's not me. Man, my hair don't look like that. They're talking about,

a little piece of plastic, like, is real. Like, they can actually see themselves in it. I just thought that was a real, like, fun character moment for both of them that I really enjoyed. I think, like, that's, their relationship is probably, like, the best thing in the season so far, and that moment was really, really fun and cool. There you go.

Well, look, we enjoyed this episode. It was a great episode. It sets up so much. Charles is in. If Charles is in, you got to be in. The Midnight Boys are in. We're doing it. We're ready.

I hope that you guys are. find three hours to go watch Killers of the Flower Moon, which I'm about to go. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Don't spoil it. I'm seeing it today. I finally got to. I'm about to go see Killers of the Flower Moon.

Killers in the Flower Moon. I mean, you can't really spoil it. I mean, it's history. It's history. You know. Charles is like, Charles is like, don't spoil that movie about General Custer. Who knows what's going to happen. The movie is the Civil War.

Charles is like, don't spoil it. That's a rap. Follow us on socials, Insta, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok. Coming up on a feed on Saturday, Jessica Clemens, we'll be bringing you another episode of Splash page

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Okay? A producer on this is Jonathan Big Spidey Kerma. What I'm talking about. Jomey the Explanter on on Socials. Hashtagmi Jomi, The Circle of Life. A Dinner on, yeah. Additional production from Arjuna, Ram Gapal. Chuck, take us out.

Justin Timberlake wants to be down. Miss Minutes is a little fucker. And shout out to King, Ant Man, and all the real songs. Bim-boo! But see, here's the thing about Kerm. Here's a thing about Kerm, though.

Kerm, Kerm's been dating. Kerm's, you know, Kerm's, Kerm is, he's a special daddy now. That's his new nickname. His new nickname is not Little Spidey anymore. Kerm's nickname now is Special Daddy. Special Daddy's crazy. You like that special...

That's nuts. That's Kerm. You, because you have a special lady in your life, right? We actually broke up this week. So let's keep it pushing. Oh, my God. Oh, no. You are an asshole, man.

He didn't know. He didn't know. He didn't know. He didn't know. Oh, I didn't know. Wow. Curm is helping us out on a Friday, bro. Take it time.

out of his schedule. Wait a second. I'm the asshole, but Jomi is laughing. Like, I'm the asshole. That's actually, I'm sorry, Kerm. I did not know that, bro. I'm so sorry. Well, like, what, like, just, what happened?

You want to talk about it? Deep Shadow protocol. Let's let me drive that right now. They are not hearing all this. Hello, Ringiverse fans. I regret to inform you that due to the initiation of Deep Shadow Protocol, this bit had to be edited out of the pod. I know.

I'm just as disappointed as you are. Thanks as always for listening. And the Midnight Boys, Poo, Poo, we'll get back to you shortly. No, we're about to be the, we're about to turn it to the Midnight Masters, bro. It's L.A. time for y'all, bro. I'm sorry. Let's get back to...