The Ringer-Verse - 'Loki' Season 2 Finale, Plus 'Invincible' S2E2 Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: November 10, 2023

The boys are burdened with glorious purpose and are here to give you their instant reactions to the Season 2 finale of 'Loki' (06:29). Then, they take a break to give you a Nerd News Minute with the latest trailer for Netflix's 'Avatar' (59:34), all before ending with their reactions to the latest episode of 'Invincible' (72:53). Hosts: Charles Holmes, Van Lathan, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal and Jonathan Kermah Social: Jomi Adeniran Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Fandom. We are. Jomey thex player of Deraan, you've got questions. He's got answers. We are. Steve,

the architect, almond, the builder and tinker of things. We are. Oman, Van, he of the receding,

resurgent, hairline, we are Jackson. You're a spider karma. I shoot my web swing or swing

throughout. we are Coke baby Chuck the 24-carried Clothes and together we are known as of the midnight boys You guys

shout out to Kerm We're in person Kerm is here on the ones and twos Steve is coming in live from Biggie Shytown Steve question

Yeah Oh wait That comes out later That comes out later Are we doing the old block chicken? Are we doing the O'Block chicken? No next week next week

next week next week Okay All right, follow some socials. Insta, Twitter, Facebook, save Jomi's job. Socials check in, Jummi, do it. Film some fun stuff with Charles. That's going to be coming out later.

His father. No, they're going to kill my ass. No, man. We got a whole bunch of Chuck content coming to you. So if you want to tap in, if you don't want to miss it, make sure to follow us on Twitter, TikTok, Instagram, lock in. Really quick before.

We were all hanging out this weekend. very fun playing Mortal Kombat. It was great. It was a great time. Shout out Kai, Kai's sister, it was great. It was great time.

But we went to Best Buy. Interesting. And for a social check-in, Jomey said, quite possibly the greatest Midnight Boy quote ever in Best Buy. Can you please repeat for people what you said when we were browsing the aisles?

I can't remember this. I don't remember this. We were looking at pig screen TVs. And Joni over here, loud as fuck goes. Loud as hell, yeah. What'd you say? I was like, man, I could really use 75 inches. Oh, my God.

Wow, wow, wow. Wow. Yeah. Y'all, we were all some wholesome shit, too. It was cool. We had a good time. We left, like, Van needed a controller. We left the house.

We're like, yeah, we'll go with you, man. Let's go, get a controller. Have a great time. Brows and Best Buy. And we go to the TV. And they're talking about, like, you know, the, you know, yeah, yeah, man, TV's big. Like, we want a different size. I was like, at least these 75 years.

And as soon as it left my mouth, I knew I was going, I was going to show me, Joe! Joe! Joe, the TV size queen, oh, my God. Wow. As soon as what left you left your mouth. As soon as the words left my mouth, I was cooked. Yeah, it's funny.

By the way, how fun was it? Just the three of us just walking around best by looking at stuff. I was like, yo, Charles, do you need an electric bike? He was trying to convince me to get a whole fucking video game. Bro. Marlores Capcom in my room. Dog, it's only $500. Only $500 to get the arcade cabinet.

I'm sorry, the shoddies are going to come in there and be like he's never been laid before. I like how band is not going to... You got the right game. They'll play with you. Come on, man. We haven't even got the program. Okay, this Friday, we'll be giving you guys our reactions. to the Marvels.

I really want you guys to listen to this podcast about the Marvels. Oh, man. Midnight boys, fun run. It's what's going on. No, you need to give me a low grace. Give me a low grace, guys.

I can't be able to be. Absolutely not. We've done a lot of great stuff on this podcast. One of our most incredible recordings. That was a good podcast. It's a great podcast. Say, and House of Horror,

we'll be giving you their deep dive on this Loki finale. And I, for one, I'm locked in. You can't miss it. Oh, you can't. 12 hour pod. I'll be honest with you.

Look, go over to the house of our feet. Find Mal and Joe, Joe and Mal. You have got to listen to what they're going to cook up on this finale because I want to hear how deep they can go. I want to hear all deep thing. Oh, shit. Oh, man. She's you. This is a monster.

Yeah. It can be. No. Okay, guys. Okay. It can't because it doesn't even, you know what I mean? All right. Sunday just gives you the splash page on Locust finale. It's going to be Sunday to just read children.

And Monday, Button Mash, will return to give you their deep dive into, or they will be diving into Modern Warfare 3. I would like to say that I'm going to be on that podcast. Okay. Oh, hell yeah. I'm going to be on the Modern Warfare podcast. And I'll tell you that the streets are, having some problems with the game.

Oh yeah. It's terrible. Yeah, I haven't played it yet. Oh, I don't know. I got to play to get into it this weekend. Wait, what happens, Steve? It's just an absolute money grab. It's nothing but micro-transactions. It's a lazily constructed campaign.

A bunch of online problems. It's cooked. Wow. Shit. Tough. All right. You guys, look, today's episode, Loki, season finale, glorious purpose. and plus O Invincible

Season 2 Episode 2 Great episode of television Yeah But to begin our reactions We're going to be spoiling Everything that has to do with Loki, the MCU

Invincible All of the image comics All of the Marvel comics It's getting spoiled right now Steve give me a spoiler warning We're getting ready to talk about Looky, you're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming.

All right, guys, so this is a very complicated episode of TV. I might need your help. This coming off the top of the dome, this is the Midnight Manifest. Glorious Purpose, directed by Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead, written by Eric Martin. Okay. So, Loki travels back to the time when the temporal loom is about to explode, and he realizes that he needs to try this a bunch of times. So he time slips, and he's like, we need to do this faster, we need to do this faster,

we need to do this faster. Loki then asks Obie, after he's failed a bunch of times, how long it would take him to understand all of his timeline knowledge? Turns out it's going to take a century. So after that, Loki realizes that he needs to go even further back in time to when Sylvie killed He Who Remains. After a bunch of times trying to stop Sovi, he realizes that this isn't going to work either, and that's when He Who Remains and Loki have a conversation where He Who Remains says he has two choices.

Either he can kill Sylvie and save the sacred timeline, or he can let the temporal room fail, a bunch of branch timelines, and eventually everything's going to fail regardless. So Loki travels back even further in time and has two conversations. one with Mobius, one with Sylvie, finally knows what he needs to do. He becomes essentially a time god. He goes out, lest the temporal loom, honestly, just explode. And then he uses his new temporal time god powers to give all of these branch timelines more time to save themselves. So I guess the Avengers or whoever can come after him and stop King.

I think that is it. That's pretty good, man. That's a pretty good summation. I like it. Okay, that was the midnight manifest, off the top of the dome. Back to you, then. Look, you guys, Midnight Manifest, Loki, Glorious Purpose, gigantic fucking episode of TV.

Big episode of TV, big concepts, very ambitious, epic, epic stuff happening in this last episode, Chuck Wagon, give it to me. I don't even know if I want to talk about whether I like the episode or not yet, I want to talk about how fascinated I was by the episode. I'll ask, I'm going to ask Van and Steve this, is Loki essentially just Disney Pluses the Matrix? Like this reminded me of the Matrix Reloaded. I was like, this is what happens when Neo goes to talk to the architect.

Like we are, even all of the threads being green. I was like, this just reminds me of going full Wachowski, leaning into just the absurdity. soft disagree here. I feel like that was probably Loki's season one's finale with talking to the architect and looking at all of the consequences

and the choices being laid out and it's... But then he goes back to he who remains again. Yes, again. And then we have this basically very long talk where I'm still confused where

does he who remains he knows Jemey the Explainer He knows that Loki was always destined to arrive at this point, where all the way back then, he who remains knew that he really was never going to die by Sylvie's hands. And now Loki gets one point on He Who Remains by learning how to stop time, rewind time,

basically getting all of these temporal God powers, and now he's going off into the universe with one choice, and that thematic choice is something that we learned always, I mean, we learned all the way back in season one. Does Loki want a throne? And the irony of this is that he gets one. He's back on a throne, but this time he's doing it to save his friends. No, it makes complete sense to me.

I think what's interesting about the whole thing is he remains, like you said, gives him two choices. A, you know, let it all slide, keep this thing moving, or you kill her and you, and you say control, and he goes for the third option, which is basically, it's going to sacrifice himself and what he wants to, you know, be with his friends and the whole thing, and, like, I'm just going to sit here and make sure all the branches don't die. That's it. That's my glorious purpose.

And I think that was a very interesting way to solve the problem, but also, like, give Loki meaning in this season to tell. So, like, for me, the throne aspect of it is the most fascinating thing. Yeah. And subverting Loki's expectation of himself in the first season and making him put so much distance between what he thought he wanted, what he actually wanted,

and then making what he actually wanted inform the destiny that he always thought that he had for himself is magic with the pen. It's magic with writing. Loki wants a throne He's fit for a throne He has to have a throne He decides that what he really wants

Is Sylvie Right What Sylvie Want Sylvie to be okay But in order for her to be okay He has to sit on a throne This is what it was coming to Also

I'll tell you something The transformation of Loki As a character Has been radically magnificent In these two episodes as a television. I want you to think about what we just witnessed in this one, okay? When you watch Loki in Avengers or you watch Loki and Thor Ragnarok or the original

Thor or even, you know, the dark world, which is a criminally underrated movie. Oh, whoa. Whoa. Whoa. It's kind of piss you guys off. That's crazy. Pissing you. Just trying to piss you guys. That's not. But Loki had to be, he had to be drug, drug by Thor or whomever else was around. into doing the right thing. The ability to do the right thing was always there, but kicking and screaming, he had to go, right?

Always about him, always about itself. He spends hundreds and hundreds of years, maybe thousands of years in this episode trying to get one thing right to save the people that he loves. Like he, the selflessness that is displayed in this episode

by an inherently selfish character, even earlier in this season you could have made the argument that even last episode right that this was about Loki that this was about Loki that this was about Loki trying to keep his friends together they say it

but in this one now it's really not about that it's about him trying to figure out how to let everybody move on and in order to do that he has to put himself in a time jail for hundreds and hundreds

thousands of years and he never complains. He never complains the entire episode. This endless amount of energy, this endless dedication to figuring out this problem. Like, this last episode of television demonstrated true heroism from a character who did not start off in the NTSA hero.

And he doesn't know if he's going to be successful. And doesn't know, never knows. He's literally giving Sylvie and everybody else more time. The Avengers people he doesn't even know, this could all be for naught, which to your point doubles down on the, we finally find the most selfish character in the MCU making the ultimate sacrifice.

We're talking about on the level of now iron. The most important ultimate sacrifice. I can't think of anything more consequential than what Loki does at the end of this episode. You love this episode, Steve. You are smiling. No, I truly don't think I've been moved by something like this in the MCU for,

it's been a long time. probably since the last Loki finale has something this good come across. I genuinely was incredibly moved and any problems that I would have had with the last episode

completely melted away. It's incredibly poignant and incredibly beautiful to see Loki pass through time and pass through all of these choices that he wants to make. Even the last confrontation that he has with he who remains doesn't even guarantee that he who remains will

survive of this. Like we know that possible Kang variants will exist, but the threat of Kang is something entirely different now. You don't know what it is. It's almost absent. It almost doesn't even matter. Yeah. Like he remains. Okay, so look, I think it's important to re-contextualize how we look, excuse me, not me, not us, me, how I looked at the Loki television show, both seasons. I essentially thought of it as a show that has Loki in it, but really was about the next phase of Marvel, the multiverse saga,

more specifically Kane of Conqueror. So you're always wondering when the actual Kane is going to pop out or whether or not fucking Deadpool's going to show up at the end of this and it's going to lead us into it. You know, you're always wondering if they're going to do some crazy spookies. This show is

about Loki. This show has fundamentally transformed, but listen, in a way in a way that I didn't think it was going to be. I thought that this, and there have been other Marvel properties that have been out there. For example,

the first Captain Marvel movie, isn't really about Captain Marvel to me. It's about her, but it's more kind of about the bigger, larger thing and how she fits into it, which is what drew a lot of people to the movie. And there have been other products from Marvel sometimes that the character, like Civil War,

it's about Captain America. It's a Captain America movie, but it's more table setting for a lot of other things that have to do. This show is almost intimate in the way that it's about this character and as high stakes as it is, it still feels like accessible in a way that Matrix reloaded,

I left like super fucking pissed off in a way that it didn't for me. Like, this felt it's... I mean, I did leave this episode being like, what the fuck did I just watch? Not in a bad way, but almost in a like, I was surprised that they went this far in terms of just Kerm.

Kerm. Is your mic on? Yes, it is. Kerm hated this shit. We watched it all again. Don't say I didn't hate it. I really enjoyed it. You looked confused. Yeah, he was science.

So the moment where I got lost was once he explodes the temporal orb or whatever thing. And then he just gets up and starts grabbing timelines and just holds him in his hands and they start turning green. I was confused on like where he gained this level of power. But after talking to you, Charles, I get that, you know, over centuries of, you know, learning about time. He gained these abilities. but that's where I was kind of confused of is that, you know, inert in him,

or is that based on, you know, just plot convenience? I was just kind of confess. So, correct me if I'm wrong, Jomey the Explainer, I got the sense that he who remains,

whether he knew it or not, I think he did know it, knows that Loki is very talented when it comes to understanding time and has a predisposition because I think he knows so much about magic, that when he goes back in time,

to learn everything that OB does, he gains an understanding of the timeline that makes him, at least on part of he who remains. That's why he can now stop time. That's why even in the last episode, when he gets control over time slipping, I think that puts him on a trajectory where he ultimately becomes the only person

who can leave, who can basically leave, break the loom, and then, I don't know if it's magic, if it's a combination, but to basically kind of like be a car battery. I mean to all of these new. No, let me answer your question and then let me spit for a second.

So one, it's kind of both, right? He spent centuries learning the loom, learning from OB, like the physics, the science, the whole thing, right? And just by, you know, doing that, having to rewind time over and over and over again,

picks up tricks, learns how to stop time, the whole thing. the the the him being able to like pull the the strands of time together and become like the center of time that's just him being a god because i don't only obi can't do that mobies can't do that that's him being like you know yeah i'm to you know i'm the go i got these these time powers i'm also like an asgardian god like it's my time it's time to put it on my back and lock it basically like how i saw it in terms of like him being like

a time god and this is why I was so confused last week when you guys weren't mess with the episode because it sets up this perfectly, right? Like, the reason why he does this like his whole, his whole ethos is I want to protect the people. I found people I care about.

I want to protect them. Right? And look, all I'm saying is last week I got on here last week and I was hearing it was will spin. Joe, John me, you guys are just saying, You got to grow up there.

Like, Jomeman, you got to grow up. Oh, no, no. Like, you don't know. I can't let the slide. I can't let this lie. I can't let this lie. People talk about the Midnight Boys. Can't let this lot.

An immature podcast. You know what the only immature thing that we really do? Is you guys are like, every single time you guys feel vindicated or validated about anything. I'm just saying. You come on here. It's like, I couldn't agree more. Sometimes as the adults in the room, man. bro.

Let me go out of here. Oh, all right. Give me the thing. It's so odd. Like, talk his shit. Just saying. Nobody, like, who fucking cares?

Okay. That's why I just wanted to put it on the record, put it on a wax. No, but in all seriousness, like, it's literally just Loki being, having the combination of being a God and also knowing this time stuff to the point where, let me remember, again, he remains given him two options. He said, nah, I got it. I'm going to figure. out my own way. I'm going to like sacrifice myself for my friends, for the people I care about,

and put myself inside time so that they can live their lives. And that was awesome. You know, it's funny. I saw this meme and it was like really funny because, you know, I'm all into animals. I don't know if you guys follow me on Twitter. It's a lot of animal videos that I retweet. Have you guys seen this? I'm into animals a lot. And it was this meme of like a cat and a dog. Let's talking about their masters, right? Their owners. And the first one is the dog.

And the dog says, this guy feeds me, this guy protects me, this guy loves me, he must be God. And then the second one is a cat. And it said, this guy feeds me, this guy loves

me, this guy protects me, I must be God. And it was so funny to me. I'm like, oh my God, dogs and cats, the whole thing. And like, when I'm watching this episode of Loki, when I'm thinking about Loki as a character, it's kind of weirdly accurate for how he viewed himself and what really actually happened. Loki thought that he was special because he was capable of being worshipped. And the most godly thing he did, the way he proved himself that he is a God, the one thing that

Loki's done more than anything to prove that he's a God is to do something for other people, which is what he did when he was putting all the... He was the only person who could have done it, right? It was the only time he could have, like, exhibited that type of strength. No one else had the capability to do it. No one had the magical powers. No one has durability. No one would have been able to do what he was doing to have been around long enough

to understand time. He was the only person that could do it. When he's having that conversation with he who were, remains, there's a switching that happens. He remains is essentially just a guy, right? But he's a guy that's so brilliant and has has such technology that he's worth worshipping because he's the end of time, it's beginning and the time, it's the middle of time, it's outside of time, he's doing all of that stuff. And you're like, this guy's got all the answers. In the conversation that he has with Loki in that scene, they switch places. You start to remember that this guy is just a guy, and this guy's

from like another planet. He's going to live 5,000, 6,000 years and the whole deal. He's the only person who can take the burden that he who remains has away from him. He's the only person capable of doing it. And the only thing that stops him from doing it, the only reason why he wouldn't do it is because of love. Love is both makes him want to kill Sylvie and love is stopping him from killing Sylvie. And so by the time it gets to the point to where like Loki is doing what he's doing

putting the time tree together and all of that stuff I didn't even know what he was doing but I trusted him. I trusted that whatever was happening right there like he was making the right decision the way you would trust in a God that you had to worship. So throughout this whole two seasons

especially in this episode, Loki for the first time earned the right to be called a god. It's really impressive the way they were able to to do this because I'm not sure to Charles's point that if I had to write like a six-page paper on it that I could be by being explained.

But it works like fucking hell. Go ahead, Steve. The great thing that makes me a bit of a hypocrite because of my dislike of the last episode and my love of this episode is because I basically let that good vibe of science versus fiction wash over me in this episode rather than the last one. The theme of Loki making his sacrifice play

and understanding what needs to be done for the sake of everyone that he cares about, the logistics of any of that, it doesn't matter what he's doing because what's presented to us is so climactic, and so impossible and so fantastic that it can be frustrating in a show that was drowning in techno babble

to just give us vibes and thematic catharsis come the end. And I surrendered myself to that in the red zone. And I was like, oh my God, this is one of the greatest turns that a character can make in the MCU. And that's what really hit home with me and like I hope everybody else because all of that logistics don't matter when it comes

to the ultimate sacrifice and choice that Loki made and everything that he that he leaves all of his friends with like the ending conversation the last conversation that he actually has with Mobius Mobius doesn't understand what he's doing it's not a goodbye it's an understanding it's he's had every possible conversation that he could ever have with Mobius So now the final thing that he ever says to him when he's first met with him in the time theater is a story about his burden and his glory and his purpose. And then he has nothing but to face it.

And that was incredible. That's nothing that, like, there's nothing more I could say. It was perfect. I mean, I think what this episode, what a good, like, series finale, if there's not going to be a Loki season three, does, is that I think it, it makes you appreciate the journey that you went on more,

and it makes you appreciate other installments. Because think about Loki and Avengers, what is he doing in that movie? He has the cube, and he's controlling people. This is a character that does not believe in free will. He's a god. Why should ants below him have free will? If you go to this season,

what are him and Sylvie talking about when they're in the pie room? Sylvie's like, people deserve free will. Just because you're a god, doesn't I give you the right to control these people? So for Loki's final act as a character, to Van's point, to be godly in that, I'm saving all these branch timelines.

So billions upon trillions of people can have free will. They can make choices, and hopefully these choices will not only save me, but will save everybody from Kang. I'm like, oh, you made me appreciate, the character and learn more about a character in a way that I did not expect this series to do by the last episode.

When he's talking to her, she is so maddenly human in that conversation. Yeah. Because he's asking her, he's like, yo, comes to her. What he really wants her to do is go, yeah, you can go kill me.

Like, he really wants her sacrifice. And, you know, she's, He's like, I'm not going to make it that easy for you. Like, I have free will, and the choice that I have made, if I can make a choice, might not align with what your plans for all of our lives are. It might not align with that. And if you're the person that's supposed to have the answers, then you need to figure out another way. And he does.

And that way costs him. He goes there to get her to be like, and that's what we always talk about when we're talking about, like, making the greater sacrifice or what it is. but as human beings, we are so messy because there are all of these different people making all of these different choices and we're trying to establish like our own sacred timeline, which is a just right and moral society for everyone. But there are all these individual choices

that go into there that always threaten that. And her one choice, one choice by one person, one choice by one person is enough to destroy the entire world. Is it better? to have this person not make that choice to eliminate that person? Or is it better to deal with the messiness of what it means to be a human being?

That it's imperfect, that it's impractical, that we consistently get it wrong and then have to clean it up on the back end. And they get there. They get there. She doesn't let him off the hook. And then he, with great power, rest in peace, Aunt May,

comes great responsibility. And at the end of it, Loki looks not happy, but he looks resigned to it. He looks content with it. He looks okay with it. He really looks like he's in a prison of his own power, right? It really was, that final look that he gave at the end of this episode was really powerful.

Because it isn't, he is not happy. He is not, I wouldn't even know if it is inherently content, but it is resolved. and it really is profound. Because again, we question whether or not he even knows the gravity of what he did. I think he's at peace with it. Yes, it's some form of it. Yeah, he's resigned to the fact that, like,

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She wasn't in that bitch this much this season. She was just around, man. I mean, her and Sylvie both. I was like, yeah. something happened, bro. She pissed somebody off. You got to check her social media. They might have found some old anti-Disney tweets.

Like I'm saying? I keep waiting for her. She really just looked. They just cut to her for her panic face, maybe like 10 times of the season, and that was it. I ain't going to lie. We got to give the sisters more to do

because we can't keep having these black characters, basically. Like, every black woman in this shit, it's just like, yeah, baby, I know how hard it is to face all. the timeline, yeah, I'm the moral good per. I'm like, can't be not Ravona? Rensselaer wasn't like that.

Rensselaer wasn't like that. But it is a situation that she was like skin. Oh my God. Oh my God. I mean, look, what are you talking about? Really, really quickly. No, wait, wait, look. Expand on that. What do you mean about that? I mean, the reality is that, you know. Are you calling light skin black women

more evil? I'm not saying that. But I'm saying, whoa, you gave me a look. I'm not saying, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying again. Not pivoting the video yet. It's with great power comes a great responsibility. Really quick, really quick.

This is going to be, I promise, I'll only do this a couple times. We got, while we're on Run Slayer, Bobis was telling that story. I'm like, yo, Run Slayer is such a G-yo. I knew it. I knew it. She's such a fucking G. Like, also, she killed an 8-year-old kid, though.

This off, off, like, she's standing on business. She's seen the report. Bobis was like, I don't think I can kill an eight-year-old. She said, step aside, brother. I got this. That's like Van. Van definitely would be the motherfucker in the TV. He's like too plucky.

By the way, that was definitely a rookie that he killed. I wouldn't want to kill the kid until the kid demonstrated sufficient pluck. Like, I'm not going to prune a child. I love kids. Like, I love kids. But there is a point to where I look at the kid and I go, it's enough of that.

Jesus. You know what I mean? Did you clean your room? Hey, all right. All right, now. Well, let's not, let's be real. There are points when, like, you meet a kid and, like, they'll do some shit and, like, this might be one of the evils.

I ever tell you guys the tortillas, the tortilla chip story of 2003? No. No. Okay. Oh, no. So, Amari, beautiful, my beautiful niece, Amari. I love you so much, Amari. I'm so proud of the woman that you've become.

You're so amazing. She goes to Dillard or Xavier. She goes to Dillard. Her brother goes to Zabier. She goes to Dillard. Her brother goes to Dillard down there in New Orleans right now. Shout out to Ian. Beautiful kids, beautiful family.

Katrina, I love you, everyone. So I'm living in Ian's house. I've moved in to Ian's house. Me and my dad had what's called an argument. And I was like, fuck it, nigga. I get my own place. And then. Oh, wow.

Because there was just me and dad in the house, right? and me and dad got into it I said fuck it nigger I get my own place and then I got outside and I was like I'm broke and so I hit eating

and I was like yo can I come stay with you so I was in his girl and their baby and I'm living in the house but she's to the point to where she could walk around and stuff

she may be like two years old and so I go to Izzo's illegal burrito okay and I go to Izo's illegal burrito and I get the burrito and I get some chips and I get a drink

and I come back and I'm sitting on the couch and Amari's there and she always looks at you when you have food and it's a little baby I'm going to share the food with her right but I forget how old she is

I don't know so she's fucking my chips up I mean I got the chips with the queso and I like that's my favorite part like as I eat the chips with the queso kind of get a couple chips on the way home out of the bag you know what they tied you over

and you get there and you eat on the chips I got Halo going and I can't get into my burrito right now because that's going to take me away from Halo 2 or whatever it is. It might be like whatever. But the chips I can snack on.

Amari, get some chips? She gets some more chips? And by about the third or fourth handful of chips, I'm like, yo man, what the fuck is going on? I'm like, yo, you're not, you're not a fool yet? And so, I take the back. bag of chips and I put it on the other side of me.

On the other side of my body. And she started sniffling up like she's going to cry. So I put the chips back over there so she can get some more. A couple of more. And I'm really in a chip panic now. Because I'm like, yo, she's about to eat all of my shit. At this point, I'm big as hell. I'll need my chips.

She's about to eat all of my shit. Bro, I put the things on the other side of me. She started crying. And it was a part of me that broke. I was like, fuck it, let her cry. Like, yo. And she's crying the whole time. She's sitting there.

She's crying the whole time. And her mom's like, man, what's wrong? I'm like, I don't know. Go back to point a little, bro. Sometimes you got to let these kids know. And the reality is, you can't have all my chips.

And the reality is, you can't have your variance fuck up the whole timeline. Sometimes you got to prune them, sometimes you prune them by moving the chip back. Sometimes you got to hit them with the pruning stick. You know,

Speaking of Rivona, though. That's a nuts quote, by the way. It's insane. Rvona, her ending is interesting because he's in a field and it looks to be, you know, the land, you know, at the end of time. But they've got the TVA logo.

It's under all the grass and there's a pyramid in the background and then like some purple light flashes before it cuts away. What do y'all think is going on with Ravona right there? That was Eliath, right? Yeah, that was Eliath. That's what I thought. It's bike?

Elias' bike? We didn't get rid of him. Well, she got Pruned. Yes, to the end of the time. I remember, did they destroy Eliath? They did not. They did not destroy Eliath. They did not destroy Eliath.

I thought that that was alive. It might not be a liar, though. I would assume that it is alive. It might not be a liar. I thought that was alive. I thought it was. Because you hear a big roar. Who else would it be?

That's true. But maybe it could be, I mean, if it's purple, maybe that was old Kangers. Wait, is he who remains, maybe Steve, you get it. Is he remains still alive or no? presumably no no but he still got stabbed he still got stabbed

and then allowing that to happen allows all of Loki season two to happen and then at the end of that season then he grabs all of his he replaces he who remains because you see as the stab I'm sorry Steve well because you see at the end when it opens up

you see the same asteroid with that he who remains was on presumably that is the throne room at the end of time because you see the broken window and the same seat, but it's like encrusted in like that gold. Yeah, it's Loki's thrown out.

The stab obviously doesn't matter though. Because he remains had all the information about everything that was happening when Loki was in front of him. He said, hey, how many times have you been there? He knew that Loki wanted,

Loki was trying to stop Sylvie from killing him. So it seems as if whether or not he's killed or not, Whether or not he's alive or not, there's still some variant version or rendition of Loki that, excuse me, of Hugh Remains, King, whomever, that is still pulling strings and still orchestrating

all of these things that are going on on these various timelines. Well, so Coke Baby Theory, okay? Did he who remains orchestrate all of this because he can look forward in time. And what he realizes is is that there still needs to be somebody who is either protecting shit or potentially has enough power

to stop the Kings. So is he basically putting Loki on a path to replace him so he does not have to be stuck? Well, he's... Yeah, well, that's what... I mean, talks about the end of season one where he's like, yeah, you guys can just do my job

and, you know, I can go overtime. Is he doing this so he will get replaced? No, because Loki is not inherently doing He Who Remains his job at the end of this season. But he's doing a different job. So he who remains doesn't have to do anything. Exactly. I'm changing the equation.

My equation is I am He Who Remains, but with free will rather than a sacred timeline. If we talk about the supporting characters in this episode, cogs and a will, not a lot of them have a lot to do. By the time Loki starts going, edge of tomorrow in this shit, which, by the way, fire.

Shout out to Edge of Tomorrow, clearly inspiration for this. Oh, yeah. Even more so than Groundhog's Day. Okay. I understand. I get where you're going. The speed running.

I always say, are you by way? I always say Groundhogs Day. It's Groundhog Day, right? Sure. It's Groundhog Day. It's not Groundhog Day? You couldn't. Is that some niggas shit?

We just put it on the end of it. When I went on the rewatchables and I was saying Groundhog's day and shout out to, to all the rewobiles crew and the reroutable's audience but there is a cultural thing that sometimes doesn't connect and it's like

people were so fucking pissed off yo you even know the name of the movie I'm sorry guys transatlantic slave point for all of them all of them I'm sorry guys it's not that I don't know the name of the movie is that like in my head there's an S like at TMZ

people used to get mad to me I would be like yeah I was in Barnes and Nobles and they would be like all right Barnes and Nobles is crazy. No, that's the same shit, brons and nobles. It's Barnes & Noble.

It's Barnes & Noble. It's Barnes & Noble. Because it's many of them. It's counterintuitive. You're not in many of them, though. You're in one. No, that's Barnes & Noble. That's crazy.

That's crazy, Steve. Are you really correct? Have you lost your fucking mind? That's nuts. See, do you not know where you at? Steve, I was like, we need a transatlantic slave point drop.

Like some African drums or some. And you go on Mikaandrums? Hey, give me the Waconda Zana. I was about to say, if you have Steve make that, I feel like that's a Transcendlanx late point.

Yeah, you're giving me right. You got to make it. We need the Wakanda drum. Those drums from Wakanda. Steve is in Chicago on that fucking Hennessy. Like, Steve, you must be drunk tonight. I fucking love it. Give me a poo-poo, Steve.

That's what I'm talking. Oh, my God. Steve was letting us know. Hey, hey, hey, black. There's no fucking s on the end of it. Fucker's wrong with you. God damn. Is this where my tax dollars are going to help you guys put an S on the heat of everything?

We love Steve. Speaking of that, okay, Steve, fine. We're two Matrix-Lore heavy people as far as the time and as far as the rules in this world. I'll be the first admit. It took me a long time to understand the rules of the Matrix and things like that. Do you feel like we were talking a little bit about the other characters? They were kind of outside of the episode. They really didn't have very much to do in this episode.

They all got pretty decent endings and new beginnings in the TVA, besides Rinslayer, who is in Prunland. Do you understand how the rules of this show are going to train, translate until the larger MCU following this show because essentially this show has reset the time dynamic

for the entire MCU as a whole because Loki is at the center of all the lore now. He might be right now as it stands the most important character in the entire MCU. Over Gaia? Sorry, shit. I ain't gay.

Hey, bro. That's a good point. Think about it. Think about it. like planet Gaia. The episode, I think Talk mentions it, like how important it is because you remember, so the episode is like,

near what's the conclusion, B-15 goes to Mobius, and she's like, hey, but about these Hugh, he remains variants. And he mentions, there was one in this 616

adjacent realm, but he took, he's good. Talk about the king. Talking about Kang. Yeah. Right. So,

yeah, basically, All the variants of Kang are going to be running around these timelines that Loki's owning up, basically. So every interaction, every time we see new Kang, every time there's a new variant of King, it's on one of Loki's timelines that he saved, essentially. So, yeah, episode explains that, basically. Steve, do you want to answer the question that Jomey just snake from you? To piggyback off of that, I like the idea that while Loki, where he leaves us

is inherently powerful, it's the fact that he pretty much chooses to do, he will choose to never do anything about that. He will hold this forever, seemingly, for the sake of all of us. In the weird way, I kind of liken him to the watcher rather than

anything else that will do anything about it. And I really hope that this isn't inherently, I don't think that this should have any bearing on most of the MCU because, A, I think the actual sacrifice that Loki gives is the fact that anything can happen now, and because of that,

he now needs to do nothing more than just sit and hold it. But who is he in this universe? Is he the monkeal man? Is he the tree of life? Is he the one above all? Is he like, who is Loki? What space is he occupying? I honestly don't know if it.

They wrote it in such a way, which I think is brilliant on their part. Does it matter? Where it's like I could imagine seeing all of like Avengers, like whatever the King dynasty ends up becoming. I don't know if they're going to, how much they're going to tie this into Loki. Interesting.

Right. And quite, and quite frankly, I don't think I, I don't think I want to see Loki ever again. Interesting. This seemed like a swan song for him. This seemed like they put him in a place where they're just like... What?

That's... Well, maybe we'll see him in secret books. Whether or not they will... Loki is definitely going to be back. Whether or not they will is a thing. Well, I mean, they... I mean, obviously have the Rerona thing, but they also... Sylvie's like, hey, Moby's, you're trying to get old boy out?

We're trying to rescue a boy. And Mobis is like, no, I'm gonna sit here. I'm gonna watch my... watch my old life again for a little bit longer. Also, to be fair, that's there too. With what Loki does, this allows infinite Loki variance to exist. Well, all right, I wouldn't be Coke, baby, if I didn't mention it, though. Like, I did love this episode.

I ain't going to lie, the whole Loki grabbing the fucking branch time. I was just like, this is looking kind of whack. No, that was awesome. The actual look of it? No, yeah, the actual look of it. It was a little corny. I was like, this is some real deal, like, after school special. I was like, what are we doing here?

That's my own nitpics. Take the what are we doing here and shove it up your black ass. What, Ben, like, don't even act. Like, when that shit was happening, you was like, he was looking at the screen. Like, what the fuck's going on? I didn't know what was going on, but it looked cool. I mean, we stopped the episode, and I looked, everybody here, about 25 minutes in, we stopped the episode.

and what did I say to all of you guys? I said, I don't understand. Don't get it. 22 minutes in. Yeah, I was like, I don't understand. So I had to recalibrate for a second. But, I mean, I thought, you know, it's interesting. With all the uproar and Marvel about the visual effects and stuff,

interesting thing that you bring up, this show, for the most part, looks great. Yes, it looks really good. I mean, it's a lot of, I mean, the set design is incredible, it's a lot of, like, practical stuff. you know, they don't spend a lot of time on the CGI, so when they do, it's very well done. I mean, you can argue what you want about the strands or whatever. I thought it was cool.

I like how he was also doing like a chest fly at the end there pulling all this stuff together. Oh, yeah, he's on the bowflex of eternity. It's great. You know what I mean? The temporal tree looks dope. Like, the temporal tree looks very good. I'm thinking like Idrasil, right?

Like, you know, the World Tree. Oh, yeah, the World Tree. World True. Yeah. You know, that's the same injury I thought about. Would you have, like, one of your homies, if you had to have one of your homies hold together all of time and sit, because think about it, he's essentially, that's their friend, right?

Yeah. And the only reason why they're able to do that thing is because their homeboy is sitting in a throne room somewhere holding time together. Which one of the Midnight boys would you guys have hold time together? I don't trust any of, to be honest with you. Oh, I would definitely be Steve. I don't know. I don't know.

I could be Alice. That's fine. Yeah. Where do we go from here? I mean, you guys, you guys mention it. Like, we might not see Loki again. And it might just be like something that, like, people who watch a show know, he's the one keeping the timeline together. I don't think that's ideal.

I love to see, like, them mentioned them, despite the, you know, how I feel about the TV shows and the movies. But, like, it'd be cool to know that, like, hey, Thor's brother is holding the multiverse together. You know, that'd be kind of interesting to see. back during Secret Wars. I think they sunset and Loki and he'll probably show back up Secret Wars. Damn. Wait a minute. You guys actually think that there's a world that exists where we don't see Loki again?

I don't. I said Secret Wars. If I have my way, I don't want to see him again. If I have my way, I don't want to see him again. What is there left to really do with the character? This was, they were like, this was sending him off. The character now is more important than he's ever been.

No. I thought like they thematically got Loki where he needed to. That's like people being like, well, I want to see Tony again. I'm like, no, end game was where his his arm is completely. Ben, are you presuming that Loki controls all of time at the end of this show?

Wait, Tony died. Loki's never been more alive. His life has never been more consequential right now. But dramatically, his character's journey has ended. He made the ultimate sacrifice. We're going to bring him back to make another ultimate sacrifice. And also, if he does come back, doesn't that

mean he's letting go of all the timelines he's holding? So doesn't everything just cease to exist? He got a zip tie, man. He finally, he's just tied to the throne. It's just a real interesting situation to have an MCU character have to sit one place for all of time. What do you think Thor is going to do when he finds out about this? When Thor finds out where Loki is,

you don't think he's going to want one of those same his brother. It's not even the same brother, though. Loki 5. Well, okay, but like, fair. But I could imagine. And if Thor finds out, oh, by the way, a version of your brother is holding time together, he'll want to go see that. Right. Because he's still doing.

I feel like we have to see Loki again. It'd be interesting. If we never did, I don't think Marvel has the balls to just leave Loki there. If we never did, it would be so fascinating. I would love her. I would love it. You would love it. I would like it.

Yeah, I would like it. I'm not even going to mention them. Just going to let it slide. Just keep it pushing. Yeah. It's interesting. You want to keep those TV shows in the movie separate. How cool is it to think that now everything that happens from now on in the MCU is because Loki made this sacrifice?

I kind of feel like we know that, but like the larger audience might not know that. What? Are the people in the movie watching the movie? No. Like, we know that. Of course we know that. Boy, Steve, on this shit tonight. Steve, that was aggressive.

He's off the malor. I just, like, Steve, brus, dude. You know what, Steve? You know what? I bet you drink, Steve? You look like you drink malt liquor. You're like, like, I could, Steve, I want to, we're going to have a, next time everybody's together and everybody come over to the house, we're not going to do nothing but drink malt liquor all day. I never have malt liquor. Oh, you know what? We're going to play Spider-Man and we just go drink malt liquor.

Let me pitch you on this because Arjuna reminded me that we got to do this episode before the years out. We should have malt liquor. Mulligan episode? No. Malt liquor. We got to get a mall liquor company that's a great episode. Just be off the shits for the whole mulligans The whole thing, bro, it's not even gonna be, we don't have to have a, just everybody

gives, Kerm, you gotta come to, everybody gives 140 or the O-E. You know what I was just saying? Everybody gets 140 on the old E. You know what I'm saying? We really think of quantumania. bro, I'm telling you, that's a great idea. Moulin' Mulligans, bro.

We get the malt liquor. Everybody get the O-E. We get it sponsored by O-E and Uber. We all got to Uber back home. And we smash. Has anyone here ever drank a whole 40 before? I've never even drank malt liquor before. Never before?

Not locked in us. I'm drunk. I will not comment down at college days. No. No, there's like this African drink that African is like is malton. I think that's, gross. It tastes anything like that.

I'm out of here. African drink, huh? Yeah, it's really like Nigerians. Like, it's right. Is that what a drink party was for when it was... All right. That's crazy. I'm right from in, I mean, yeah.

We got to talk about Invisible. Jesus Christ. It was like, it came over there. It was like, here, take this. And y'all's like, all right, niggas. See y'all for a 40 years from now. When was the first one to call y'all at? That's crazy.

It's like, see y'all 400 years from now. We'll do some podcasts in 2023. Nuts. Hope it works out. I heard you got a long ride. Anyway. Oh.

Oh, my goodness. You guys know what it is. It's time for the midnight meter. You rank things. 1 to 10, 11 to 12, being reserved for true game changes. Chuck Wagon, you can go first. Just for Loki season 2.

It's for Loki season 2. We can't do half points? No. Cannot. You made the rules. You made the rules. God damn. I think I'm going to give it a strong.

Guys, this is a strong, strong, strong, solid seven. I knew that was coming. Damn. What? That hurts. We're grading the season of TV, not the last episode, the season of TV. And you can't grade it without the last episode. Y'all going to hate my, yeah, mine.

Then go. Nine. Nice. Oh, right. Yeah. I liked, I liked, giving it a nine because I liked 90% of it. Even the last episode, which I didn't dig that much, it was good TV. I just thought that it was thematically circular.

It was good TV. I enjoyed Loki season. Let me tell you something. Loki Season 1 is better than Loki Season 2, no doubt. Loki season two is more watchable. It's more accessible. I mean, this one had a lot of big ideas in it, but in terms of just like,

I think there are probably a lot of people out there, well, not a lot of people out there, but a fair share of people out there that felt like season two of Loki was a little bit more approachable, a little bit more accessible, a little bit meatier for them to sink their teeth into than season one. Then what would you give

just the Loki project, season one and season two on the midnight meter together. Just Loki has a, that's a good question. I gave season one a 10, so I would say that Loki has a show right now as a 10. I would give it a 9. Both seasons together, I'll give it a 9. What about you, Jome?

Give us your, give us just season 2 and then Loki as a whole. Season 2, I think I can agree with Anna and give it a 9. I really did this episode and I was like, I think, a little higher on all the stuff you guys are like than mostly, I was hiring the stuff you guys didn't like for the most part. So I get of a nine. In terms of the whole series, I think I got to also give it a nine as well. Actually, ah, no, it's, that's probably 10.

Yeah, it's probably 10. Season 1, like, the performance of Loki in the show and just like his journey as a whole, I think it's pretty incredible. And over the 12 episodes we got, I think it's really, really well done. something like we haven't gotten in this Disney MCU stuff so it's like legitimately exceptional so I gotta give it a 10. Steve? I will give this season

a nine as well. I really did love it. Again, any problems that I had melted away by the end of it and I can't ignore how incredible that finale was and how great of a sendoff I hope this is for a character that really, really earned it. And the project of Loki as a whole,

I want to give an 11. No. My game changer? Oh. I hope. If there's any show that the rest of the MC you should emulate for the rest of its TV project, it should be this.

Should and will are different. Like, a game changer got to be a game. Like, if it will change the game, it should change the game. If you want to give it an 11, why don't you? I do. He did. And I did.

both seasons in 11. Bam! No, no, I didn't give both seasons in 11. I gave the entirety of Loki. No, but I mean, like, yeah. Oh, so both, okay, no, I can see that. Yeah, I can see that. You guys, fantastic episode of the, look, I'm telling you something.

If the Marvels can grade out at a C, a C plus B minus level, I'm ready to say the MCU is. Cs get degrees. Cs do degrees. I didn't think it worked out for me. You're going to say that and then Echo will come out in January and you're going to be like, it's over.

Let's not do the MCUs back. I'll be honest with you guys. The Echo trailer looked great. A lot of trailers look great. I'm not entirely out on it. I'm not out on it. See, that was our covers of Loki guys. Shout out to the Midnight Boys.

We love each other. Speaking of a lot of trailers looking great, Steve, Nerd News Minute. All right. The Nerd News Minute in this motherfucking house. Steve, the Nerd, Mike. Myon.

Mawrude News Minute. motherfucker, bitch. Okay. Avatar, Avatar trailer came out. I tried to watch Avatar. When I say I tried to, I'm not saying that it was whacked

because it definitely wasn't whack, but I just didn't watch it. I'm sorry. I don't know what to tell you. It's the pluck got him. It's definitely great, but I just stopped. You're not a real watcher.

Not locked in. Okay. Well, some people would say differently. Some people would say, very much enjoy watching. But it is... Why would you... It was context and universe.

Would you need to bring that up? I'm just saying, you guys always try to come at me and stuff like... Who it is? Yo! Yo! Oh, my God. It's over. We got to grow up.

Avatar trailer. You guys are the experts. I plead the fifth. Yeah, I don't know. I don't understand. I don't... So here's the thing. I don't...

I really don't. I'm not an avatar guy. I'm not a fan. I looked at the trailer and I thought the shit looked great. A fake avatar fan would say that. Okay. Wow. So here's the thing, right, for me personally.

Did it look cool? Yeah, it was like, you know, was it perfect? No, but like, you know, you give some grace. I've been fooled before. You know, I've had my heart shattered in two. Like, you've got to, like, I need to be there. I got to see it. Like, we talked about it for the pop.

It's basically like, you know how the NBA player. They have, like, a great regular season. And it's time for the postseason. They, like, never show up. You know what I'm saying? That's how I feel about Avatar live action. I need to see it in the postseason. I need to see it in all 10 episodes.

I got to get locked in. No, this trailer, aka the regular season, it's not going to fool me. I need to see what you do between April and June. So I understand this. But if we were to judge the trailer in a vacuum, forget about your crippling, fear of disappointment. Because I get that your trauma is playing

apart in your assessment of the trailer. Can't do it. If we... Can't do it. That's the bottom of all. I can't do it. I don't know what you want from me. I'm,

I'm emotional. This is why I can't be in L.A. because I'll be infecting, y'all. Jomey. I'm like, baby Jomey. I like, I can't, like, I don't know what to tell you. Like, at the end of the day. Jomi, was the trailer for the show any good?

Sure. Yeah, it was cool. Like, you know. You know what I'm saying? Oh, it's, it's Apo and Momo was also there. And there's a lot of, there's Ozai and Azula and Iro.

And they're like, I recognize these characters, but I need to, again, I need to see it when the games is tight. All right, fuck out of here. Let's, let's be real. Let's be real. Legend of Zelda, Avatar, the Last Airbender, pretty much every single live action

Disney Plus. I mean, Disney movie we've gotten. Don't need it. I think we're at our point where Avatar should have just stayed animated. I'm done. It just does not translate. Okay, I'm going to see that legend of Zelda shit.

I don't know what the fuck you talk. You're going to see live action. You know what Chris Brad is playing with? I'm going to see that. Hey, man. Hey man. When I got John Cine as Gannador, if you're going to be locked in?

It's fucking funny. Like, fuck with y'all talking about. I'm going to see that shit. I'm going to see it. Link? He's getting drove. They should put the rock in as Link. Oh, they're going to have Zendaya as.

Actually, Zendaya's going to be Zelda and then Timothy Shalameh is going to be Link. Fuck out of here. That's Timothy Shalbett's link would be fucking hard as far. I'm telling you, that's... They're insane.

They just be looking like, all right, we get Timothy and then we get Zendaya to play a love interest. We don't even have to... What's wrong with you guys? I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying it's what it is. You guys aren't at least a half a centilla interested in a lot.

in a live action legend is fucking out of here. I'm not interested. I kind of feel like it'd be cool to see it animated honestly because, you know, that's kind of like the video game world

and to see like those things come alive. It's harder, again, it's harder to translate to live action, but I'm, I'm interested. I'm more, I'm more interested than Charles,

obviously. Link can't talk. Here's the thing. If Link talks in the movie, I'm done. That's, I guess that's, I mean,

they don't make them talk, but. It works better. Y'all and real gamers. I need Ben Lindberg in here. Y'all in real games. Shut up, Man, me and being, my God, man, me and being bonded.

We bonded in New York, man. Steve, can you, Steve, do you want a live action in Legend of Zelda? Like, I do and I don't, because it's the thing that we've kind of always wanted forever. And now that we know the cultural landscape of what content gets pushed out to us and how, like, eh, no, like, Super Mario Brothers got it. Like, that movie was great. there's an idea and there's a world where

Nintendo as a movie IP generator gets it right and I'm sure that a lot of people are going to try and make it right it doesn't I immediately bristle I'm like ah no I would want a live action Super Smash brother this movie though

now see not you're not not too much dip on the chip what you have the animated Legends of the movie and then we take Pikachu from Detective Pikachu and then we get animated from

the song, we get it brought from the sonic movie. That the Pikachu was good. I liked it. And we get animated Super Smash Bros. movie. There we go. Charles, your thoughts on the Avatar trailer? No.

Not telling you, no, tell me that movie. It's just, it's, I think, from what I saw, I do think that they're, like, shout out to everybody who worked on it. Like, guys get your money.

I'm sure you put your whole heart into it. But I think there's a reason that the original creators of Avatar departed the project, went and formed an Avatar studio and are going to go cook stuff on the side. I just don't... Like, I'm not even being a hater at this point.

I'm just being real. I do think that if we've learned anything, Avatar is just something that works better as a cartoon. The minute you try to make it in real life, there's all of these questions of race. And I mean, how many times are we going to get white actors to play non-white roles? I'm just not with it, guys.

So I'll say this right now so that everybody knows what's going on with me. Love the show. It's one of the tenets of my heart really. You know, the way, you know, Mal thinks about Harry Potter is how I feel about this show.

Get to the point, nigga, bro. If they mess this up, if they butcher this, you, y'all think Charles is hate, Oh, man. Oh, my gosh. I'm going to go scorch earth. Like, I don't think you have to, like, kick me off the internet.

You might have, like, Jummy, you got to take this. You might have to not podcast for six weeks. I'm serious. I'm flabbergast. I'm serious. I literally, I watched it. Maybe the killers of the Flower Moon fans are right. Maybe my brain has been turned to mush.

Oh, it was on. You fucking hate me. Maybe they were right. Like, I literally thought that it was a cool trailer. I thought did it look closely? Can I ask you this? After the killer The Killers of the Flyer Moon tweets

that night was like Sean Fantasy just outside of your window just be like, yo. Nah, man, Sean got better shit to do, man. Sean is like a real movie savant. He didn't send the big picture shooters after. Sean gave me two tweets. It was like, what the fuck we listen to you for?

Jesus. I'm going back to Letterbox, motherfucker. Steve, do you have thoughts on the Avatar trailer? I mean, Hope Springs Eternal. I think the best thing, that happens if this show sucks is that we don't lose the original. Like that's the

great bargain that we have that like, hey, the original's still there. It's still good. And the people that made the original are still making their own stuff. So I hope this is good. So you guys are telling me that the people that made the original show are not going to make another avatar show? They're not making it with Netflix. They're not

doing it. Yeah, they're making it with Nickelodeon and they call it Avatar CEOs. Yeah, they're making three movies. Yeah, they had like a whole thing. It's part of the problem is that Netflix said we're making an original show. We're making a live act show with original creators. And then somewhere down the line, the original creators came out. We're like, we already, Netflix, I already seen out of eye on this thing.

So we're going to, like, leave. Avatar Studios wasn't announced. But, like, after they left, then it all came together. And they were, like, cool with Nicolode. We're making three more movies on Kora, the original team, and Kiyoshi. Those will be coming out in the future. And so knowing that the creators, left the project and it still, you know, got made is troubling.

I mean, forget the trauma of all the live action, the avatar stuff. The fact that the original creators are like, and we're not really, we're not really vibrant with this. We've got to get out of here. Just does not sit well in my spirit. All right. We're going to get to Invisible Season 2, episode 2 real quick.

Before we do, I want to say something real quick. It was announced today that the Coyote v. Acme movie? Yeah. John Cena, shout out. John Cena in the movie, a $30 million production was being written off by Warner Brothers, and the movie will not be seen the light of day.

Okay. I don't know much about the movie. I know that a lot of people that had seen it or had seen rough cuts or the movie tested really well, thought the movie was really good. I would like to speak generally real quick about the practice of writing off films,

whole films in their entirety to where they don't see the light of day. We make a podcast here, everyone here makes several podcasts, right? The time and energy that it takes to collate your thoughts, sit down, try to be charming, funny, insightful, and all of that.

I'm not saying that podcasting is as tough of a job as millions of Americans are doing across the country right now. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying it is a job and it's something that we take very seriously. We take the creative of our podcast very seriously, the marketing of it, the growth of it, all of that stuff very seriously because it's our work.

It's what we do. It's what we put pride into. The same people, the same way that we do that, people that work in this town, various films, whether it be bad girl, whether it be this, whether it be anything else, it's not about a check. Like, they're creative.

and they want to see those creations come to life, whether the feedback on these things are good, bad, or indifferent. The gift that you get when you hit publish on something, when you say, and here it is, and the credits roll on something, but when you sit down and see a finished thing that you put out into the world, it's such a unique experience. You guys listen to this. You know what I'm talking about.

You've done it before. You've turned that paper in. You've finished that project. You've made that meal for your family and watched them enjoy it, right, after you've done it. This practice of writing films off is abhorrent. I think it's creatively and morally bankrupt, and it should stop. It should stop. It's cancerous for the people that,

devoted their time to it, the people that put their energy into it. And it's essentially taking so much energy and so much actual time away from those people that I want to make sure that I say to everyone that worked on that film, everyone that worked on bad girl, everyone that worked on any movie

that's in danger of getting written off, I understand how pissed you would be because I would be fucking livid. I would be fucking livid. I get that this stuff is a business and it's all about the type of profit you can turn and all of that. But at the same time,

somebody has to care about what people that are working in this industry go through and what they're able to put out. So that's all I'll say about that. Anybody got anything to want to add before we do this one? I agree. Well said. I already had a pollil. I already had a pollilically about the corporations

and I'm stealing money from us. So it's all good. Don't worry about me. Are we getting radicalized? The Midnight Boys. Oh, my God. I can't believe it. Burn this fucking down to the car.

This whole system's got to go, man. Charles. Invincible Season 2. Episode 2. It's the reaction. Give it to me. What did you think? I thought it was very charming.

I chuckled very many times when Doc Seismic when Mark was like, these art all buildings like that. He's like, you can keep all the ones that are one. Yeah. I was like, even when he was like, he's like, so I got a, I got a sleep with her. Like, but hey, I got Ambirds.

Like, like, that's true. Like, I thought it was a very charming. That's the thing about Mark. And, Joe, me, you've read Invincible before. So I wanted to get your opinion. I'm surprised that they are hitting all of the beats almost of every single issue where it is not like they're skipping past anything just to get back to Engstrom and all the multiverse stuff.

They're like, no, in the same way that the. monthly invincible comic. He's going to fight Darkwing. He's going to go to Atlantis. I was just, I was almost caught off guard by that. No, I think this episode works because it's, again, like, last week was, all right, where's Mark now? And then you kind of find out where everybody else is this week.

And it's interesting, we're doing a, we're doing a little bit more setup. But I think it's going to be worth it in the end. I think, like, finding out that like, all right, what's his next? Cecil is like, oh, he hears the sound. He's like, yo, this is, let's get this to R&D. And then you have the sequins, that sequence. And then the post-credit scene with Anxham Levy. I'm like, I see what the vision is.

I think whatever, I don't know if it's going to be the next two episodes or when it comes back for the new four, but it's going to hit after hit after hit. Right now, we're just in a little like table setting phase. This episode was good. I still enjoyed it. but the way the comics go, there's like a sequel, I don't want to spoil the actual events. There's a sequence of like,

I want to say like 15 to 20 issues where it's just hit after hit after hit. Mark doesn't get to rest for a second. And I think that's what they're building up to. And I honestly can't wait to see how they figured out in the show. What about you, Steve? Yeah, it's an interesting way to start this season,

especially the way that the season premiere started. and now it seems like we're going to be daisy chaining like this multiversal plotline at the end of each episode. I liked this lighthearted start that we get because the first season was very good about juggling those things. Mark's charm, his friends, Eve's struggles as well. This is really good. This is a really lighthearted start.

I have not read the comics, so I'm looking forward to whatever is coming down the pipeline for this. But I'm really, really excited with what this is going to be bringing. It's Invincible the most consistently good comic book entity on television. Ooh. I don't know. Have they ever had a voice? Have they ever had a bad episode of Invincible?

I mean, there was some animation in the first season where I was like, Oh, yeah, you was mad. I was like, oh, you're like. Like this season, the budget would like, come on. Oh, dude, yeah. The budget is a lot better. 30 months, man. I see the boys

is more consistent just because you got Kripke, like you have a TV Titan being like consistently it's never going to dip below a certain quote. I mean, but really quick, I got to ask y'all,

I've read it in the comics and I was still like, this would be my Joker like origin story when Rexpload goes back to the locker room. And duplicate comes out when she's having a conversation

with him and she starts like, you know, like, the immortal's hitting it in the shower. In the shower. She's feeling it out there. And, like, Rex is like, dog. He sees, he sees naked immortal come out. He's like, dog, really?

I was like, damn, Rex a duby like that. But honestly, Rex got a fucked up, bro. Rex is a asshole. Rex is a asshole. Rex sold. Like, the thing is... He went out so sad. Terrible.

I'm going to be honest with you, bro. Like, that's like a nightmare. scenario right there. No, it's not ideal. It's not what you want. Right. Right. But I don't like a Greenware Explode. But like, Immortal, you're supposed to be the man in charge. You know what I'm saying? What you

doing over there, my boy? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? For the worst. For sure. Who are the heroes in the Invincible Universe world besides Mark who are actually

like good heroes and you love them? Because the rest of people are pretty unlikable. Eve is great. I mean, she sold this episode, though. Like, she was, she went to the place and tried to help all the people and turns out they didn't build their own for a reason and she

almost killed a lot of people. They survived. I mean, here's the thing. Eve's parents suck. The only thing that I, the only thing I agreed with her dad on is like, I'm not eating a bunch of food that you just made. Like, just out of thin air. Why not? I don't know if it's, like,

radiated. I don't really know. Some bullshit. That was on some massage. It's good. It's all good. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. If a motherfucker walked in here right now and made some food appear out of thin air, you're telling me y'all asses we eat that shit.

Like, if he turned my laptop in pizza right now. You'd eat it? If I was hungry, yeah. You're a sick motherfucker, dog. I would. You're going to eat the pizza laptop? Pizza laptop. I don't, I guess I don't, you're going to turn it back to a laptop?

No, I guess it's a pizza. Is it a full pizza or is it just a laptop that? is now constructive of pizza. No, no, no. It's like Adam Eve's powers where it's like, take the matter, turn to something completely different.

And it's like, oh, I guess we're doing that now. Fun. Sounds like, sounds good. Sick oh shit. I just, I just kind of feel like,

I trust it. You know what I mean? Like, Eve is like, it's a good human being. She does the best for people. You know, like, it's fine.

Eve is a good human being, though. Yeah. You know, when she tried to give her dad the gold, the gold apple? Hey, go sell this. Apple going at like a, you know, a million dollars in ounce

going to make some money. He was stubborn. They wanted him like, you know, he was like, I got to be a man. I got to do it myself. Brother, a gold of Apple, follow my life. Oh, I'm selling the gold to Apple.

I'm bro. My daughter, bro, we just make everything go. I'm turning to Midas, my boy. They're going to be like, where you got those go from? Don't worry about me. You know what I'm saying? We're on your own bag. When does the second batch of invisible episodes drop?

They're doing four years. I don't think it's been announced yet. Okay. Do you think, so being there. I talked to the showrunner at the premiere, and he said that it wouldn't be that long, wouldn't be too long. So it might be sooner rather than later. So being that that's the case, four and four, do you feel like they have, because if it's, do you feel like they have time to catch their breath? I don't know in terms of momentum building.

Right. Where, like, I do think that it is a little bit of a loss opportunity, especially because not that much superhero content really is going to be coming out for that much longer. I think Invincible could have owned eight weeks. And splitting it up, I am like, these next two episodes got a hit. Because if I got away, I'm just, I don't know. I mean, I mean, we talk, this is the conversation we have for a long time in between, like, arcane and all these things that, like, came out in 2000, 2021, and we're now waiting, what, like, two, three years to see season two. If the quality is there, then, like, I'm not complaining.

Like, if, like, let's say, like, the four episodes just, like, crazy fight scene after crazy fight scene, and it looks beautiful and it looks great. And we're like, oh, they needed the time to get this right. I'm not going to be mad. I mean, I definitely, like, you know, selfishly want to come out as soon as possible. But understand these things take a lot of time, a lot of hard people, a lot of hard people. A lot of people put some hard work into the show. Yeah, we got to go. And so I'm not going to complain if I get the four episodes.

You did that on purpose, bro. Fire after fire, heat after heat. I want to say something real quick. It was no way that Evinceable was going to be able to own the whole space because what if season two is getting ready to drop in what you're going to do. Fuck out of here. What is. And too.

Watching that shit. Hey, we're doing a week. Weekly recaps. Not only are you watching it. You're going to be podding about it. Hell no. Right here. We never covered that shit again, bro.

That was the darkest time of this bar. Bro, I'm not doing that. Bro, we definitely doing it, dog. I can't wait. It was darker than chicken invasion? Late December, 23. No, I'd rather, I'll be honest.

I would rather watch. all of Secret Invasion again then watch the first season of one. You're lying. You're a liar. That's the cap. Play this out. Play the song.

No. That's not true. You play the song. That's not true. That's not true. I know you don't believe that. You don't believe that. You're going.

No way you believe that. You're going off the deep end now. It's going too far. The bit is done. Like, first of all, what if season one was actually pretty good? Fuck. You gave Moon Night and 8.

I can't take your picture. That's true. That's right. Look, here's the thing. shame. Shame. It's a shame thing. We are immature.

We do too much tip for that shit. Now that Van made me think about it, we really be like bringing up. I'm like, we should let some shit go. We brothers, but I'm looking at the episode right now. Like fucking Killmonger and Tony.

It's good. Thor was the only child. Terrible. Solid. Ultron 1. Watcher bro. The Doctor Strange episode was unwatchable. Y'all are...

Are you fucking crazy? Are you, bro? Are you crazy? Crazy? Who's saying? Is that a big? You got an earpiece? Is it a big?

Dr. Strange in the multiverse of fringing? That's the episode we're talking about? Oh, my God. The Dr. Strange episode. Terrible. Awesome real shit, though. Hold on for a second. Like, awesome real shit.

You mean to tell me, you mean for real? Oh, wow. Nica, I said what I said, bro. That's nuts. I'm standing on that shit. I don't stand on business. I stand on business. One man army.

One man army. One man army. You're standing on business. business. That's crazy. All right, we out. That's a wrap. Follow us on socials, instant Twitter, Facebook,

save Jomi's job. Coming up on the feed. This Friday, we will give you our reactions to the Marvel, so stay tuned, guys. The Marvel's reactions coming at you. Hot tomorrow. Saturday, House of R will be giving you their deep dive on this Loki finale.

I don't even want to pump it up as much as I can't pump it up as much as I want to, but that is going to be a can't miss episode of television, Joe and Mal and Joe over in the House of Arfi talking about Loki's season finale.

I know they're going to give you guys great stuff. Please tune into that. Sunday Jess gives you the splash page on Loki's finale and on Monday But Mash will return

to dive into Modern Warfare 3. You can hear me on that one as well. Our producer is Steve Alman. Jomey, a dinner on, on socials. Hashtack

for all joam time. Additional production from Arjuna Ramukata. Chuck, pick us out. Loki went out with a bang and our phones are always mobile. Fuck Steve, because we love going to

Barnes and Nobles. We have to talk really quick. I'm not on higher learning. Did you see GZ dirty Macon-N-I-Lon? I did see it. I did see it. I mean... I did see it. I don't condone the behavior, but I understand.

Do you understand? I do understand, but in that situation, she was being a Rivona Renslayer. By the way, every single problematic light skin lady for the rest of time will be known as a Rivona Rinslayer. Every single one. For the rest of time, Ruby Renslayer Rose.

Like Ruby Rinslayer Rose. Doja Rinslayer Cat. Yeah. Every single problematic light skinner. Oh, my God. Now it was to be known, hey girl, you're a Renslayer. By the way, that's some shit

that we just came up with. That works so well. Oh, that's a rinse layer right there. I don't know. I don't know, man. Steve. You might have to... Steve, how many rentslayers

have been talking to in Chicago? Stop. There's some rinse layers out there. They got all the rinse layers. They do, bro. They got a lot of rinse layers out there. You, Steve, like it. Let me tell you.

Chicago got rinse layers. Miami got... Miami got... It's like five to one Miami of rinse layers anywhere. It's the highest percentage of rentslayers anywhere. Rends Slayers

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